LINUX Unplugged - 611: Distro Double Trouble

Episode Date: April 20, 2025

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Hello friends and welcome back to your weekly Linux talk show. My name is Chris. My name is Wes. And my name is Brent. Hello gentlemen. Coming up on the show today we're going to take a look at Fedora 42 and Ubuntu 2504, fresh off the mirrors. What's new? What works? Maybe what doesn't? And our thoughts after trying each of them out and a few of the different spins. Then we're going to round out the show with some great boosts, killer picks, and a lot

more. There is quite a bit of show today. So before we get into it, we have to say time appropriate greetings to our virtual lug. Hello Mumble Room. Hey Chris, hi Wes, and hello Bunt. Hi! Hello, and hello everybody up there in the quiet listening to the very quiet listening.

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So I want to start with something sort of bittersweet, and that is that the self-hosted podcast will be wrapping up at the end of May. Alex and I have thought a lot about it for a while. When's the right time? How long does the show go? It's been going for about five years. And we thought with episode 150, because we're fans of nice round numbers,

which comes in at the end of May, probably if you're going to pick a place, the right place to do it. And so I want to extend an invitation to the self-hosted community out there. And everybody that's built up around that show to come join us over here at Linux unplugged. We've always sort of viewed self-hosted as a sister podcast and so much in self-hosting is built on open source, runs on Linux.

Insane. I mean, it really shares a lot of the same ideals that we do here on the show too. So we're gonna incorporate some of Brent and Wes and myself and Alex as well, he'll join us from time to time. Our adventures in self-hosting in Linux on Plugged in Future episodes.

Sort of like, well, you know, we do, we manage multiple topics and that's one now, an extra one we get to now fold into the show. And, you know, we've been teasing this one for a few weeks. But the boys are ready to deploy their first Home Assistant instance. That's right. I'm slightly afraid. It's going to be great.

I'll be there with you. We'll, we'll, don't worry. It'll, it'll go great. Um, and I haven't really decided what I'll do about replacing self-hosted. If we'll, you know, We'll see how that goes. Linux Fest is coming up. It's an opportunity to meet with people. But there's also a lot we can bring to the show. It's a little bit of extra work-life balance for both Alex and I.

And it means an opportunity to bring a little more energy into Linux Unplugged. As the show grows, and this one has, it really gets big enough it could almost have a full-time person that just does one show. We're not quite there yet, but it is an opportunity to bring more of that into the unplugged program, have Alex join us and tell us what he's been doing and what nots, all of that too. So while it's bittersweet, it's also good, you know, it is the right move for both Alex and I. And it's an opportunity for us to incorporate stuff that we wanted to talk about in Linux Unplugged, but also wanted to leave it open for self-hosted.

So that is news item number one. Now, news item number two, we have decided we will be live Saturday and Sunday at Linux Fest Northwest. Here we go, boys! All right. Our Linux Fest Northwest coverage. Got our headsets and everything. You got the headsets.

Thank you, audience. And big shout out to Hybrid Sarkasm with an extra side donation. So we're going to have Linux Fest Northwest coverage live Saturday, April 26th, 10 a.m. Pacific, 1 p.m. Eastern. And then, of course, same time on Sunday, we'll have Linux unplugged itself live Sunday on April 27th at 10 AM, 1 PM Eastern. We're going to also try to release the Saturday recording if we can.

It'll, I don't know what exactly it'll be, maybe not the whole thing. And we're going to try some new stuff. Noah from the Ask Noah program is going to join us and help us with the production as well. So you'll probably hear from him on the stream. We're going to try to do some men on the street, probably Brent and myself or somebody will go out and have a mobile setup and we'll be bringing guests to the

live stream and talking to them about their sessions as well as trying to give you an overall sense of the fest if you can't make it. But as well, if you are there, we'll try to keep you informed on what's going on so you can kind of tune in and get an idea of what's happening. So big goal big goal, but I think we're gonna have a lot of fun Saturday and Sunday coming up this next weekend as we record April 26th and the 27th, both at 10 a.m. Pacific, 1 p.m. Eastern. It's pretty exciting, guys.

Yikes, less than a week away, I can hardly wait. I know. Here we go. Here we go. Two big releases this week. Fedora 42 and Ubuntu 25.04. It's pretty fun. I think there's admittedly just a lot of excitement around Fedora because it's the 42 release.

The answer to the ultimate question. It's also Matthew Miller's final release, which was nice to see him write up a little thing in the Fedora magazine. And I think there's a lot to liken here. We'll get to some of this, but just at a high level. I think the first thing we wanna talk about is Fedora Workstation gets the new installer, that new Anaconda Web UI installer.

Long time coming. I don't even know if you'd know it's a Web UI. No, I don't think you would unless you kind of went hunting. Yeah, and maybe tried to access it remotely, but it starts up in a window like every other installer, and it very much just looks kind of like an application. Works well.

I would say it is, you know, it's interesting installing Ubuntu and Fedora back-to-back because they're both using refreshed installers, and they're both very much taking a different path. I kind of have a preference for the moment at the new Fedora installer. Really? I'm kind of surprised to hear you say

that you prefer the web installer. Is it that side of it? Is it the look and feel? Because it's a big change too, right? Anaconda was previously the hub and spoke approach. Now it's, as they say, a wizard style. Yeah, I guess I don't really have a great explanation other than it felt like it was faster

to get to the end goal with the Fedora installer. Brent, did you have that experience? Did you prefer one over the other? I kind of say I didn't, I wasn't gonna choose favorites, but now that you're making me choose, I'm gonna agree with you. It was super kind of streamlined, which was the opposite experience that I typically have with Vitara.

That's, um, spoken hub approach. Took us several installs for me to get used to you. You get used to it, of course, like anything, but, uh, this time around, I just felt like, yeah, it was. As far as a guided install goes, I was quite guided and I really enjoyed it. I love the progress bar especially. I thought it was just enough information and broken up just enough to be sort of a useful feedback without getting in the way.

But also my favorite thing was definitely the location chooser. I might be the only person who cares about the time zone location chooser. It is so much improved here compared to what we've seen for the last 10 years. So huge kudos to the people that worked on the installer. I'm a fan. That is a nice perspective. I've never really had too many complaints

with the time zone selector, other than I have to select LA. They also come with a new feature, which I'll talk about in a minute, which is quote, reinstall Fedora option. If you already have Fedora installed, you see this after you already have a Fedora 42 install. If you reboot off of the installer ISO, another option in the installer shows up, reinstall Fedora.

And the idea is kind of like a Chromebook refresh, sort of do a reset on your system, you broke it, and not delete some of your user data, which I tried and I'll report back on in the morning. Oh yeah. I'm kind of curious how well these mechanisms actually work for maybe the audience that they're intended for. Right, right.

But it's cool, it's good, I mean, more robust kind of middle ground seems like a win. It does seem like a good idea, especially if you keep iterating on it. The reason why that is even there is because of ButterFFs. Oh, okay. The feature relies on the fact that when we install with ButterFest, your user data is separated out into a separate subvolume. So all Anaconda has to do is just blow away the operating system subvolume, reinstall it, and mount your home subvolume again.

So it's very easy and very safe. That is so great, taking advantage of Butterfest like that. Yeah, I mean, it kind of goes to show what point you like to hammer on, right? When you know you have it built in, you can build things that are pretty neat on top of it. We also got a Cosmic Spin with this release, better SGX support.

We see the new Linux DRM panic screen in this release. Yeah, that's nice. KDPlasma 6.3 lands, XFCE 4.20, and LXQ 2.1 in here as well, which supports Wayland. We'll talk more about that in a little bit. And then of course, on the workstation side, all of the features really come from GNOME 48. You get the new notification stacking,

the new JavaScript engine for GNOME, better discrete graphics support for external monitors, improvement performances throughout, especially in files, the new digital wellbeing stuff is in GNOME 48. Maybe the biggest one though, HDR support, high dynamic range support. It's a little early. I don't even know if it recognized my monitor as HDR,

but it let me do HDR. Oh, okay, so it worked. Yeah. That's okay, that's, I mean, at step one, I think we're know if it recognized my monitor as HDR, but it let me do HDR. Oh, okay, so it worked. Yeah. That's okay, that's, I mean, at step one, I think we're gonna count it. That, I mean, yeah, I mean, that's, it's big. And it's great, it's fantastic. It's something that, you know,

the Mac could do that was tricky on GNOME. They also have the Preserve Battery Health setting that lets you, on systems that support it, set the max charge to 80%. Yeah, that's something more and more I'm kind of coming to just assume can be there and rely on. Yeah so there's all the stuff you get with GANOME 48 if you go with the workstation release. We also see the plasma version sort of right alongside the workstation download now. Yeah isn't that something first class addition support no longer just a spin.

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. So Brent, which spin did you give a go of Fedora 42? Well, because you guys keep getting on me about not, you know, giving Gnome enough of a try. I figured, hey, everybody's talking about how this is a great version. I would give this a little go, and gosh darn it. I thought I had just like banished it forever,

but it's so smooth and like delicious and beautiful now. So I'm really having some existential questions over here. Uh oh, you liked Gnome? Uh oh. Am I going that far? Uh, I, yeah. It sounds like you liked it. I did like it.

I don't know what this means for the future of Brent's desktop, but I think they're doing amazing things and starting to win me over. So maybe I'll try it again, like long-term. We'll see. OK. I'm noting that one down. Please do.

This is not what I expected. No. I thought you were going to try the Plasma spin. I just assumed. Well, I thought I should try something new, given Plasma's in my everyday. And they talk such a great game about the Plasma desktop in Fedora, like saying features for everyone,

for creators, scientists, developers, gamers, and it's customizable. I think they did an amazing job at describing exactly what the Plasma desktop is and offers compared to Workstation. And I just thought, jeez, they got this so figured out, I'm gonna go try the other one, because it seems like maybe Plasma's taken over. I don't know, that's a little bit of bacon.

Yeah, so I thought I'd just try something a little new. Now you also were gonna try the Cosmic Spin, I believe. Yes, I was hoping you wouldn't bring that up. Uh-oh, oh no, that's what I'm the most excited to hear about. I know. I, I gave it a shot in a VM and ran into some major issues and never even got to it as a desktop, unfortunately. I don't know if you boys tried it and got some more luck, but I ran into a poison

error, which is kind of fun. And I think I need to do a little bit more work to find out if it's just my particular VM setup or what and try It on some hardware. Maybe it have some better luck But I didn't get very far unfortunately. Did either of you give it a shot? No, cuz I thought you were ah You need to turn on 3d acceleration or cosmic will crash. Yeah. Yeah, I should have had a Neil They're holding my hand the whole time. That's what I did wrong. Thank you, Neil. That's a great. Yeah, I discovered this while I was developing it. So like, well, I wasn't solely developing but like I when I was putting it together along with Ryan Brew and the other folks in Fedora Cosmic, I discovered fairly quickly that

you basically can't run it without hardware accelerated graphics being enabled. And since no virtual machine platform turns it on by default, it will just crash. So you need to turn it on and then try again and it will work. Stay tuned for next episode. So for me, I'm gonna give the Cosmic Spin a try, but I'm waiting, I'm just gonna wait for a few weeks after the release.

Did you have any other errors Brent? Any other things that went sideways on you? Or was that? No, I really didn't, which is unusual for our reviews, I gotta say. So I'm feeling pretty happy in this chair. I was just gonna say, I saw some chatter about it in our matrix, and someone was wondering,

how do we already have a cosmic spin, even if cosmic isn't really sort of officially at like a ready for everyone stage? And I just thought maybe that's telling about how interested folks are and how well it's already doing despite maybe some trickiness in a VM. I agree, I saw Tyler in our live chat too saying that, it's the one I'm gonna give a go.

I'm gonna come back to it. I'll jump ahead and tell you why I didn't give Cosmic a spin. And this is, it's fine, it's fine. But I am, my laptop these days is an M1 MacBook Pro and I run Asahi Fedora on there. So for me, both of these releases have really come very far in their arm support, especially in 42

and in 2504, It's delightfully improved. And so this was a really special time to actually be testing these distributions on ARM hardware. And I went with Workstation because I was running it in virtualization and I just wanted to make sure I knew that worked. And I was so impressed with how well

it worked in virtualization. Like the GNOME experience is very smooth. I know you noticed this too, Wes. Oh yeah, I mean both of the distros we're talking about today are excellent and just like an easy stock sort of virtual machine setup. And Fedora, the Sahi mix is so, so great. It really feels like a first class Linux experience

on the M1 hardware. And so I was kind of limited in what I could test, but what I did test with Fedora 42 was very, very excited to see. Getting these distributions to release a generic ISO image for ARM platforms is massive. Most of us now have systems that can just boot, have ARM systems that can just boot ISO images.

We don't need raw file systems that are completely built out images that we then expand onto our disk and boot. That's just silly. You can get ARM laptops, you can get MacBooks, you can get workstations, even the Pi 400 can boot ISO images. And if you have a generic ARM image like SUSE has had for a while, all these systems, you know, as they add more support, they just work like any other standard x86 PC. And it's a terrific experience to be able to just put in a thumb drive and boot an ARM box like it's a standard PC. And now we're here with both Fedora 42 and Ubuntu 2504. Also pretty great if you're running and just want to do a VM on an ARM system, right? You just have these ISOs or images available.

Oh, well, I guess while I'm rattling on, I'll talk about the new reinstall feature that I tried. So this is really neat and it kind of works as you might expect. So I set up my test system and I changed my user wallpaper. I tweaked some of my desktop settings, set it to dark mode, things like that. I installed three or four flat packs and I installed three or four RPMs from the repo. And then, you know, went about using the system for a bit

and decided, let's see what sticks, what stays. Rebooted off of the ISO, went into the installer again, sure enough, the new reinstall fedora option showed up. So I click that. It's pretty straightforward. Doesn't ask a lot of questions. Gets to work, reboots the system and anything that was stored in like a dot config file, essentially in my home directory remains.

So Gnome was still in dark mode. My custom background, the icons I changed, those were all still there. But packages like Nmap or other things I installed from the repo, that was gone and my flat packs were gone. So you kind of get back to just a stock system. I would love somehow a future version where like all the flat packs remained or something like that, because that would, you know, for an end user with isolated applications, that would truly be the experiences.

You refresh the operating system, you come back and all of the applications you've installed via Flatpak are still there That would be chef's kiss, but Neil in the pre show you were telling me that that's actually being powered now by Butter FS Right so the way that it works is it by default fedora installs with butter fs And has been since fedora 33 almost five years ago today almost five years ago today. So with that in mind, when Anaconda detects that you have a Fedora install on ButterFS and you're going through the install process, it can offer to reinstall.

And the way that it does it is it just simply erases only the subvolumes that contain system data while retaining the subvolumes that contain user data. So all you do is say, reinstall Fedora, put in your things, and then it will just erase the root subvolumes that contain user data. So all you do is, say, reinstall Fedora, put in your things, and then it will just erase the root subvolume, which is what we call it, and then recreate it, and then mount the home subvolume, and attach the user, and all that other fun stuff.

So then you wind up having a very simple path to bring it all back. And this is why, for example, applications don't come with it, because applications are installed on the system and not on the user area. So there you go. Yeah, thank you. So that I thought was a pretty neat feature overall.

I could see expanding it down the road and absolutely thumbs up on the arm support. Wes, what was your experience with Fedora 42 like? Well, I thought to celebrate that, you know, Plasma is now an official edition, I would give Plasma an install. Oh, very good, okay. So it was kind of interesting.

I did that, I also tried Kubuntu this time around as well. And on both sides you get different installers. Kubuntu is using Calamares now, right? And you have still Anaconda, I guess Web Installer is coming, but for this release, Anaconda. I guess Web Installer's coming, but for this release, Anaconda's still for the plasma edition. But you know, that didn't mean that there weren't

some improvements, like Anaconda's now a proper native Wayland application before I had to rely on ex-Wayland support, which you probably don't care about, but it's nice to see. That is nice to see. I mean, I'm glad they got that, even though they're kind of phasing it out, it's great to see. Mm-hmm.

There's been some other nice kind of low-level improvements. I was interested to note that Plymouth is now trying to use simple DRM. It's also now able to better use the EFI firmware frame buffer to show that boot splash during early boot. One of those nice-to-haves where it just keeps everything looking real pro. Smooth, yeah. When your system boots up. Or you know, you go full verbose mode and just get the scrolling system.

A classic, always a classic. It's nice that we have either option. Now, further things that I didn't actually try, but I just wanted to call out here. Fedora Core OS is now receiving updates no longer from OS Tree, but from an OCI repository. Okay. Yeah, this change helps align Fedora Core OS

with the ongoing Bootable Containers Initiative. That's pretty neat. So BootSee marches on, yeah, right? So I presume that's gonna, you know, that'll keep slowly rippling through the ecosystem, but something to keep an eye on. Red Hat is so serious about Bootsy, it's great. I also didn't get to try the new WSL images

that are being built, but that's great too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, just to make it have some parity. It would. Make it easy. You know, in a future where we had like a spare B-link or something, it'd almost be worth putting a Windows install on there to try out stuff in WSL. Almost.

Plus we could try deleting that weird INETPUB folder. Yeah. And just in terms deleting that weird INETPUB folder. Yeah. And just in terms of that, you know, systems using the classic tried and true approach, it's getting real polished, right? Yes, there's a bunch of fun new immutable atomic things, but we're still making great progress

on this side of the fence. Now you had a note in here about the live environment doing something kind of fun. Yeah, I put a note saying just about a little warning that I found on the release page here. I'll read it for you because it's kind of fun. Yeah it seems like a good one. Yeah Matt Miller wrote this one you know it's a good one. No it's not the Vogons but it is ugly. We discovered a problem with the live boot media at the last minute And since the release was already out of the airlock you can't do much about it

It doesn't damage anything, but it is annoying just booting the live media as an unexpected entry to the UEFI Bootloader even when fedora linux 42 is not installed to the local system Okay, that is a good little PSA fun fact thank you now we have a question. Boost! Neil wants you all to report in on your experience with the LXCute version the cosmic version and the plasma version but specifically probably out of all of those we'd like people to try out the LXCute version report in yeah Neil? Yeah for sure because this version is special. Fedora Lex Qt is the first, as far as I know, again, I haven't looked super extensively, but I checked all the majors.

Fedora Lex Qt is the first LX Qt deliverable distribution, whatever, that ships LX Qt with Wayland by default. That is really neat. And we're using the Mirror Way compositor to do it, you know, from the Mirror Project. Right. So, this is a very exciting and interesting release and I would love to see people check it out, try it out and give, you know, feedback to the Mirror Way Project as well as, you know, just talk about how it feels and looks for them.

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That's all lowercase. So you go to onepassword.com slash unplugged. Well, this week we also saw the plucky puffin come to life. Ubuntu 2504 came shipped for us with all of the GNOME 48 stuff, like the HDR support, new wellbeing controls, and group notifications, including Linux kernel 6.1.4. And Mesa 25.0.

Ooh, yeah. That's gonna be, you know, all of this stuff really stacked together for both these releases. Oh, it's great for gamers. It's great for gamers. It's nice to see this stuff get in here. It's so great. And also both of them have focused on better dual boot support. There's the replace Ubuntu option and more in the OS installer. Some nice work going in to make bitlocker systems work better.

Yeah, yeah, that's neat too. So let's take a moment though and talk about the ARM64 unified ISO for this release because this is truly what's got me excited. And I think Canonical worked with Qualcomm, I think to do some of the QA testing on this, I think I read that. And they've really, and I don't know,

I know they also focused on Snapdragon, sorry, I think that's Qualcomm, right? They focused on the Snapdragon X Elite, which some of these Windows PCs are shipping, so if you get one of these ARM PCs, they're targeting that. Hopefully just works. Yeah, they're targeting that.

So those are ones that are often marketed as like copilot AI plus PCs or something, so they're really aiming for a smoother experience, and as a result, the rest of us are users are benefiting too, so hey. Yeah, I like that they're also doing the generic desktop ISO. VMs, ACPI plus EFI platforms, like nice.

Yeah, definitely. They also made a little switch. It's not a big deal, but the default document viewer switches from Evans to papers, which doesn't have everything, but still a perfect look. I liked the look though. It felt like a first class sort of built in, you know, again, it's not the Swiss army knife PDF tool,

but it had most of what you'd want for like actually just working with annotating regular documents. And I thought the minimal UI looked really nice. 2504 is also using something new for location services. And this isn't really something you hear distributions talk a lot about, but they're now using BeaconDB to handle things like your automatic nightlight or time zone detection and weather-related features.

If you enable location services, it's now using BeaconDB. Yeah, what was it before? Was it a Firefox or Mozilla thing? I believe it was, yeah, exactly. And now they switched to BeaconDB, which, what was it before? Was it a Firefox or Mozilla thing? I believe it was, yeah, exactly. And now they switched to BeaconDB, which, beacondb.net, a public domain wireless geolocation database. I'm not necessarily known for being the most accurate,

I think is what I've read, but still pretty good for it. Hey, that's almost a privacy feature. I mean, you're really looking for like general time zone, sunrise, sunset, right? It's probably good enough for that. Yeah. And there are plenty of ways to contribute to it and plenty of ways they accept contributions either in code or in location data.

So they have a map, too, that has all the hotspots that they have. I know, right? And there's this one that's just obviously a flight. It's over the Antarctic or whatever. It's just they got location. People are reporting location Antarctic or whatever. It's just, they got location. People reporting location while they're live on flights using BeaconDB. I mean, it's really all over the place.

So I suppose it's gonna work just fine for this. I just thought it's kind of noteworthy that they even kind of mentioned it. I was thinking the same thing, right? Like this is sort of plumbing that is now sort of expected in a modern OS of any kind almost. But yeah, in a proprietary world, you wouldn't include this in the release notes.

You'd only find out if there was a major regression or something. I was kind of negative about the installer in the Fedora section, but now that we're in the Ubuntu section, I did want to mention, I guess I kind of came in with maybe somewhat an incorrect preconceived notion that I'd be able to tell it's a Flutter app. with maybe somewhat an incorrect preconceived notion

that I'd be able to tell it's a Flutter app and that maybe I'd be able to sense like leg and the buttons or, you know, kind of like you can with an Electron app, you can kind of sense an Electron app. That is not the case with the installer. I mean, you could tell me it was written in Rust and I'd be like, oh, okay, I wouldn't know.

I mean, it is smooth in the way that a native app is smooth. Well, it's not a web app. No, I know. I know, I just still, I just, you know, you create something that's a cross-platform thing and I just, in my brain, I just associate, it's gonna work like Electron

because that's what we've had to suffer with. This is true, yeah, you're right. That's just from your jaded experience over the years, Chris. I know. Things are getting better. Welcome to the modern world. I can kind of see why they like it. It's neat too, right?

Because Canonical put in a lot of work to, you know, partner up with the Dart and Flutter stuff to really make the Linux desktop target be a workable platform, and they're putting it to the test, which is neat. I know, Brent, you kicked the tires on your install with encryption and some of the disk partitioning stuff. How'd that go?

Yeah, you know me, that's a good tell for various distros and whether that goes well or not. And I have to say, I think I'm officially going to crown this the very best encryption install experience across the board. Okay. All right. When you enable that little check mark for encryption, you get all sorts of options. You get, of course, like Lux encryption, but ZFS, which has a little experimental tag, but it's there just like everybody else. So ZFS with and without encryption, but also the new hardware-backed encryption as well

that uses the TPI. So lots of options there, and I'm a big fan of having many, many encryption options. Yeah. Have any of us tried the TPM stuff yet? I wanted to, I tried to pass it through to a VM and I tried a little bit to use a virtual one, but I didn't try that hard. So I didn't actually get it to work.

I think my whole MacBook's a TPM, to tell you the truth. That's what it feels like. I'm dying for an x86 laptop again. I am dying boys, but it's just, it's not right. Budget's not there yet. The right machine's not there yet. Have you checked the couch cushion? There might be one slipped in there. Maybe, maybe I'll do a little couch diving.

That'd be true. Yeah, it's great to see the ZFS options in there still. And maybe one of us one day, one of us lonely boys. You don't have TPM on your, oh, you have the older generation, 11th Gen. I have, I just didn't do a full install. Oh, right, right, right, right. That's funny, generation 11th gen. I have I just I just didn't do a full right right right right You're that's funny. Your old thinkpad has it. Oh, yeah hilarious. Ah No, so how about you? How'd your how'd your Ubuntu testing go?

Yes, good. I did a bit on the standard release partially to play with the the flutter installer I do think these days one I noted like the fedora ISOs were like two to three gigs Yeah, and the Ubuntu is more like six. I noticed that too on my slow connections. Yeah, I bet you did. It also feels like while the actual installer is quite snappy and performant and I like it and it's a good experience and I feel like it installs

in a reasonable time especially, the setup time feels like it kind of drags on. I agree, yeah, I agree. In a way that I'm not used to or expect. But other than that. Well, you know, part of that is because for Fedora does a little trick where they finish some of the setup after the reboot, where you create the user account and all that kind of stuff,

where Ubuntu does that up front. And so you I think it creates for a longer experience. And to me, it felt like I was having to do more But when I thought about it's like well now I still have to do that stuff. I just do it after installation, right? I did also get kubuntu going since since I was already doing plasma for fedora And they're using calamari's which was a whole other experience. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah it was kind of interesting in that sense to compare and contrast how, like, on one hand, you know, Plasmas felt in some ways more second class in the old world of the fedora ecosystem

and only recently kind of, you know, been risen up and been promoted after a lot of hard work by the community and folks like Neil. Whereas Kubuntu at least felt like it was a little more well-known and, you know, supported in the Ubuntu side of things. And now it almost feels like that's flipped Oh, yeah, it seems like much more of the stuff folks are really excited about right now and this releases on the Stock Ubuntu side and the the code is releases great. It's using you know

It's got the latest plasma 6 3 4 and that that's excellent release, and it's it's a very nice Plasma implementation. I like the theme they've got going. Like I had a great time with it. It's just, you know, the release notes are kind of minimal and now that you've got the edition right there on the front page of the one fedora website versus the spin website, which has its whole own look. I mean, not the spin, but the- Its own individual identity.

Yeah. Yeah. Website. not the spent, but the. Its own individual identity. Bunch of website. Yeah, website. Kind of different branding. It does make the Fedora system seem like a tighter ecosystem. Which I just wouldn't necessarily have expected, I guess. But there's lots of nice stuff to see under the hood here too. One thing I wanted to call out is, and they put in the release notes,

there's been, I guess, a bunch more App Armor updates. So most of the time that's good. More security, tighter controls, but it can mean you may run into breakage. Yeah, a new addition in App Armor is a new profile for Bubble Wrap called bwrap users restrict. And the profile allows the creation of user namespaces and initial sandboxing and

Then it switches to a strict stricter enforcement mode limiting what processes can do inside that sandbox once it's all set up Not necessarily a flashy thing, but could be a nice security improvement But like Wes said when these things get turned up just be aware. Yeah, it's nice to know there's logs So check your logs. I was having a good time getting to more seriously used App 3.0. We already talked about that a bit on the show, but it's nice to see it, you know, shipping out there in a fresh release.

Yeah. Yeah, you bring it all together with either the latest Plasma or the latest GNOME, of course the other distros as well, but App 3.0, Linux 6.14, the new Mesa, and I've been seeing multiple reports of Nvidia Wayland combinations successfully working. Proprietary Nvidia driver, accelerated graphics on Wayland, and it's working.

I mean, can we just take a moment here? That's really good to see. We're really, I mean, I have to just circle back for a second. The milestone level here, I'm not saying mission accomplished yet, but we have lived through eras where Linux did not support entire categories of hardware, and they were fundamental blockers for users to switch. I mean, the classic example was Wi-Fi for forever. Then we really solved Wi-Fi in a big way,

thanks to contributions from Intel and others. And I think since then, the biggest kind of fundamental blocker to Wayland and user adoption and things breaking during updates has been the Nvidia driver. And people buy these increasingly more expensive GPUs, they expect them to work. And if they don't work on Linux,

they're gonna go somewhere where it does work, and that's Windows. And to nail this now, to be able to start fresh and just install a distro with all of the modern desktop stuff in Wayland and have it work, it is turning the corner on one of the most arduous, crappy chapters in desktop Linux history. And I know it only works with certain hardware,

newer hardware and all of that. But as we go forward from this point, it's only going to get better. And we'll look back, it was early 2025, when this stuff actually started shipping to end users. And we've been talking about the developments now for two years that got us here. And now here we are, and it's actually shipping to end users. And that's why the kernel stuff really matters. You know, it sometimes takes a while to actually reach end users, but it's huge and a major, major milestone.

It is nice to write both these systems getting 6.14 too. Yeah. Which is just a great kernel. Yep, yep, yep. We're really in a good spot. And then you imagine, I don't know which Fedora release rail is going to be based off of, but it's going to be moving forward from here.

This is setting up for an LTS. It's going to be a great Ubuntu LTS. They're both, these longer term distros that will be built in the future are gonna have this stuff. Ooh, speaking of that question, did either of you choose to oxidize your system? We don't get the swap till 2510,

but you can do it on 2504. Oh, I thought I had to wait till 10. Did you try it? Oh yeah. You gave it a go. Of course. Why not? That was one of the first things I did.

And? Totally clean, real easy. LS works? Yup. That's all I needed. The main thing I noticed was that the pseudo prompt was a little bit, because that's one of the spots. Better?

Yeah, because I did all the experiments. Would you say it's better? I didn't use it enough to say. Okay. But it wasn't noticeably worse. I think that's part of the goals, right? It's at least parity. I thought you'd say, oh, it was so much faster.

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I got some personal feedback. We got some feedback to the show and then PJ just kept bugging me to make a JB gaming den room on Matrix. And so now we have one, PJ made some additional pylons and we made that happen. Thank you very much. And also get over there if you want to organize

maybe some community gaming nights. That's up to you guys. We're not involved. Rock and roll. If you want to get in there, we have a link in the show notes. The JB Gaming Den. Yep, check it out on our self-hosted Matrix.

This is one of those ones I thought, how did we not already have it? JB Gaming Den. Yep, check it out on our self-hosted Matrix. This is one of those ones I thought, how did we not already have it? And now it is time for the boost. And our Bollard booster comes from the handsome, the delightful, the wonderful Adversary 17 with 84,768 sats. Hey rich lifestyle!

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Yeah. That, yeah. And that was even with a bit of a head cold and he's okay with it. I do appreciate the feedback on that. We'll be trying them out for Linux Fest Northwest. Well, not trying them out. We're going all in. We'll look cool.

We're going to in. We'll look cool. We're gonna look real cool. Blackhost comes in with 22,222 Sats. This old duck still got it. Really enjoyed the gaming episode. As much as we adore Linux, a fun break is always welcome. Sending a bunch of twos your way, hoping to see you all dive into some Red Alert 2 action next. Oh boy. You know, that was just open source recently I think if I got that right so I think we should jump into that. Yeah all right

all right I'm down I'm down. Well the tebby dog also sent in a great row of ducks. Things are looking up for all the duck. I've been learning and configuring a new proposal software at work. When I hit a snag during setup, I wished for easier access to expert support, as waiting for availability didn't always fit my timeline. To solve this, I set up an open web UI knowledge base with all the available documentation from the developers, and now I can just ask an LM questions and it provides answers with citations from that documentation. It's been working great. That's great. I mean, that is a great solution. just ask an LLM questions and it provides answers with citations from that documentation.

It's been working great. That's great. I mean, that is a great solution. I am kind of chuckling though, that you had time to set up an LLM and open web UI and then somehow get at the documentation, which I don't even know how you do that, but you didn't have time to sit on support,

which sounds like something I would do. That's the 2025 version of yes, I could do it by hand, but in twice the time I could automate it. Right, well, now he, you know, he didn't just get a fish. He learned how to fish. I do. I would be really curious to know, was this backed by Olama?

Did you tie it to something else? How did you feed it and train it on the docks? How are you doing that? How do we get access to it? All right, I want that. I'd love to be able to feed it all our show notes. That would be so cool. Ronza Wings here with a row of ducks.

Headphones and gaming. Heck yeah. How about another row of ducks for that, I say. That's much appreciated. Thank you, Bronz. ZachAttack attacks us with 10,101 sets. Oh my god, this drawer is filled with Froot Loops! Plus one for the Tooie Challenge. All right, it's gonna happen. Myself, over the last three months, I've been learning TMUX and NeoVim.

So yeah, right in the perfect spot. Regarding the upcoming Windows 10 end of life and the Chrome Android transition, I've been advocating among my social peers to go to Linux. Yeah. My girlfriend is on board because she doesn't wanna get rid of a perfectly working laptop That is just one generation short of supporting Windows 11. Yeah, especially these days

Also, hopefully with the upcoming end of life Refurbished hardware is gonna be cheap and affordable with distributions like you blue and nix OS and flat hub being the go-to for software I think the time for mass Linux transition is now Call to action here folks, you know, I think the time for mass Linux transition is now. Call to action here, folks. You know, I will say, I have my kids on NixOS and they naturally just started using Discover and software, depending on one of them's on Plasm, one of them's on, you know, and they just install things via Flatpak. I sat down with them, like, you got all these things? Oh, yeah, well, I wanted a new Minecraft launcher.

So I just searched. You know, I meant to, I should have said earlier that it was pretty neat how well Discover's hooked into the Snap stuff on Kubuntu these days too. So you could just, you know, you know, first class, I got BTAP installed as a Snap, as a desktop app, right from the Discover, it's nice. About T-Mux, I specifically remember

when I forced myself to learn this, and Chris, it's your fault. A couple years ago you did a refresh of a system over SSH and it didn't go so well, and your main moral of the story was to use something like T-Mux, and I was like, oh, he said the word, I'm gonna learn this. Or Zellige. Well our dear Odyssey Westra came in with 10,000 Satoshis.

Boy, they are doing a lot with mayo these days. While I love to hear more gaming stuff in general, I think just discussing your experience instead of listening to clips would be the best way to go forward for me. Just hearing you guys playing and not having visual context was the confusing part. Otherwise, you're better off just creating a gaming video instead as extra content for those curious. Either way, I will see you at Linux Fest Northwest. It's a tricky thing, right? That's why one of the reasons we went with StarCraft,

because it's such a well-known. But you know, then it was also suggested that maybe future gaming stuff we do in the launch or something, which we could totally do. So keep tuning in. You never know where we're gonna go next. Rotted Mood comes in with 10,000 sets. Make it so.

No message, just the value. Thank you mood. Nice to hear from you. Tomato comes in with 5,555 sets. Let's hear it good buddy. Git's big weakness is all the non-source code things put into GitHub. Issues, forks, pull requests, wikis. None of that is in Git, and none of it is decentralized. In the case of GitHub, it's data you don't own siloed in a proprietary service. If we ever see GitHub meltdown or a mass exodus, there might be an opportunity

for a truly decentralized replacement. Something more like Fossil, where if you clone a project, you get everything. Issues, discussions, wiki, everything. Also, just wanted to say, I'm all for a CLI challenge. I'm already using Alpine for my email. Okay, you gotta tell us more about that. Yeah. Please, Boost back in and tell us more about that. So we'll give you all a heads up.

I think we're also looking for tool suggestions. We're still kind of in the discovery phase, and then we'll lock in and give you a date so you can do it along with us. This is one of my favorite boosts of the week. This is a very well thought out boost. And it's something I've thought a lot about myself is all of the data around your source code

that GitHub owns and is centralized around GitHub. And for a while we were really trying to push and push and push on decentralized services, but we just didn't really, it just didn't really seem to be landing. It's an issue that's always on my mind, and there are ways to solve this today. There are technologies that can solve it. But I agree with you, it's going to take some kind of meltdown to create a mass exodus.

Yeah, right. We did see things like SourceHut pop up, which tried to go back to more email-based workflows. Obviously, the kernel stands out as something where you've kind of got mailing lists, which are sort of publicly archived, paired with a, you know, primarily Git, just proper Git-based workflows. It's interesting to see the things you can do with existing tech and then wonder where it might all go. I maintain that post-Microsoft Exodus, acquisition Exodus, they've rebuilt stronger and better and there's just no unseating that, I think,

maybe for the next couple of decades. That's like the network effect is still strong. Very strong, and they haven't really burned anybody in a really bad way since the acquisition. Doesn't mean it won't, but. Yeah, they made the free stuff a little better. Yeah. Well, we have a boost here from Turd Ferguson.

Turd Ferguson! 19,111 sats saying, here's a little support for Linux Fest Northwest class. Hope you guys have a great time. Well, thank you. Thank you. Thank you for the boost, thank you. Thank you. Thank you for the boos, Turd. Sam H is here with 9001 Sats. Never tell me the odds.

He says, I enjoyed the gaming content. A few things I would like to know about retro handheld game systems like the one you mentioned. At least they're based on Linux from what I have read. The cheaper ones though sometimes run a more lockdown version of Linux. I'll just mention that. He says sometimes though you can do things like SSH or sync thing and they use RetroArch for emulation which supports rewind, shaders and retro achievements. Yeah there's also on the 37x there's like a OTG port, a USB data port. There's two USB-C ports, one for charging and one for data.

And I haven't bothered with it because it comes with so many ROMs, I haven't really needed to add any. If anything, there's too many. I'd almost rather have an SD card with fewer ROMs on it. But I suppose you could probably mount it as a disc too. He says, also you can look into third party OS options, like KNNulli, Rockinix, or MUOS.

MUOS. It depends on the device. There's a wide range of form factors and prices, though the future is unclear in the US due to tariff charges. For recommendations and reviews, I like the Retro Game Corps YouTube channel. That's a nice tip. I think I'm gonna, don't tell my dad,

but I think I'm gonna get him one for his birthday. It's so cool, right? And he's got, he's still got his Game Boy. His old green and black screen Game Boy. Yeah, it's the big thick one. But it's funny how small the screen is. And the other thing that struck me, because I was over at his place this weekend

and I was playing Tetris, one cartridge at a time. Oh yeah, right. And I've got one that's thinner with a bigger screen that has 18,000 ROMs on it. And like one cartridge at a time. We only got two cartridges anymore. So it's like, yeah, it's pretty funny. What's the other one?

I don't know. I didn't get to play it. I was so sad on Tetris. It's the music dude. The music on Tetris. The music is incredible. So good. Otter Brain boosts in with 12,345 sets.

I believe that's a space balls boost. So the combination is one, two, three, four, five. Enjoying Fedora 42, installation was a breeze and I love the fonts. Hey, thank you for the review report. It's a good looking release, that's for sure. Well, GC boosted in 7,777 sats. Just pump the brakes right there. Best show ever.

Been binged listening on old episodes and you know, it's too much when that bang bus song is stuck in your head. Oh no, not the bang bus one. Bricks got a bang bus, what's it gonna do? When Wes gets technical, it's a thing of beauty. We do love it, we do love it. I will be in your neck of the woods in a few weeks presenting at a GrafanaCon with my NixOS laptop.

Oh, great. GrafanaCon, Wes. I'm curious what you're presenting. And also, this happens to be a zip code boost. If you take the boost and you go times 12 and plus 118, you get that old zip code. Yes, zip code is a better deal. Oh good, because we were just saying before the show, like we haven't had a zip code boost in a long time

and we miss it and Wes has been bringing the map every week. I have. Whoa, whoa. I even got a new abacus and everything. Got a little dusty. Okay, so we got 7,777 cents. Yeah, slide that over, slide that one over. Multiply by 12, that's 93,324, but don't forget to add the 118, so we get 93,442.

Okay. Plug that into the old... Paper map, of course. Of course. Yeah, plug it into your paper map, Wes. Damn theater of the mind, Wes, come on. I like the LEDs you added for where the zip codes come from. Well, we're getting with the times. Yeah, well, you know, it was hard to read in the dark. And you have to plug it into the conversion

that tells you which part of the grid to go find it on. I feel like... I can't scan the entire US at the county level. People do not appreciate that. People do not appreciate that. Okay, so here we go. What do we got? It says grid 14.

And that, when you look up the latitude and longitude to go with it, would be Morro Bay, California. Oh! Hello, California. Thank you for boosting in. And GC, thank you for being a zip code boost. We love those. You know, it's fun to make Wes search the map during the show.

Both Brent and I just like to sit back and watch. And good luck with your presentation. It's folding it back up that I appreciate the most, actually. Yeah, why don't you ever help with that? Nobody does it like you, Wes. Nobody does it like you. Yes, let us know how it goes. And thank you, everybody who streamed Sats

as you listened as well. We had 31 of you stream Sats, and you did a pretty good lift, I have to say. Thank you very much. 79,430 Sats were streamed as you listened to the show. That's pretty rad. And then when you combine that with our boosters, episode 611, our Before Linux Fest Northwest episode,

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And Fountain makes it the easiest, but there are lots of options. Thank you everybody who supports the show, our members, our boosters. It means a heck of a lot to us. Now let's talk about Ignition. Well, that's what they called it. I guess it's kind of a cute name, starting your system up. Ignition is a minimal app for editing the auto start entries on a free desktop compliant Linux distribution.

Read your distribution of choice. Now most desktop environments, well actually that's not true. Some desktop environments have tools built in to manage your quote unquote startup items. But not everyone does, and not all of them, catch everything. Ignition focuses on just managing your startup entries. You can create entries, you can create scripts that can run,

you obviously can delete stuff. It's just a straightforward app. You load on any Linux box, Plasma, Organome, or any free desktop. And you can take things that aren't out of your startup. I like it. Seems like a good one to have, too, maybe for friends and family PCs. Give them a little more agency if they're like, you know, something keeps starting up.

I like that. It's GPL 3 as well. something keeps starting up. I like that. It's GPL three as well. I checked on that. A license check passed. And then I had to include this one. Love this. It's called record apps and it's just a very simple, well, in-design desktop application that allows you to record audio from a specific application on

Linux and so it starts up, it shows you all the applications that currently have audio output. You select the specific application you wanna capture the audio from or a device. And then you can save the recording and it'll save it automatically by default to your music directory. So you could capture a live stream like ours,

a YouTube video you're watching, anything. And the beautiful thing is, and this always happens to me when I'm capturing audio is, if you have an app that video you're watching, anything. And the beautiful thing is, and this always happens to me when I'm capturing audio is, if you have an app that dings you for something, it won't get captured because it's only using the audio from that one application. That's great. Very handy.

This is neat too, looks like it's a TypeScript app powered by Svelte with Denno as the sort of runtime and then WebView for the interface. Cool. Yeah, it is a collection, that's for sure, but it works. It's MIT licensed, so also have at it everybody. Enjoy yourself, we'll have links to their GitHub repos and their Flat Pack pages, or their Flat Hub pages as well.

But you know me, I'm always grabbing little audio bits and stuff like that, so I'm always looking for applications that can record desktop application audio, so if you know of any out there, do let me know. Yeah, I think we're still in the early days, right? Like there's just so much you can do with all the power of PipeWire now. And there's a lot of room for more apps like this.

There's a lot more room specifically for PipeWire. I think this one's mostly using Pulse to accomplish this, which is fine. But I think Wes is right, is PipeWire brings us to the whole new level of fertile ground for these kinds of things So if you got that boost in let me know or also remember we're looking for your take on the fedora spins of LX cute The cosmic version and also we'd love some more plasma feedback as well There's a ways you can boost in and contribute to next week's episode

Which is going to be our big one, live from Linux Fest Northwest. It's coming, it's coming very soon. See you next week. Same bat time, same bat station. So make it a Linux weekend. Join us on Saturday for the Linux Fest Northwest livestream and then Sunday for our live episode from Linux Fest Northwest,

both at jblive.tv or direct audio at jblive.fm. And we're gonna also try to have it up on our YouTube pages and whatnot, on and so much more. Thank you so much for joining us on this week's episode of Your Unplugged program. We'll see you right back here next Tuesday, as in Sunday... well, and also Saturday! I'm going to be a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a

little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a Thanks for watching!