LINUX Unplugged - Episode 108: Insecurity by Design | LUP 108

Episode Date: September 2, 2015

Top law enforcement officials in the US want backdoors in all encryption systems. What would the ramifications to open source around the world be if this became law of the land in the US? Details on the upcoming road show, Kubuntu's new look, saying goodbye to an old friend & some Go powered retro feedback.

I got a rumor. You guys ready for a little hardware rumor? Totally. I bet Popey's not here because he knows, and he doesn't want to get cornered on it. But rumor has it that Yao Mei, the big Chinese phone manufacturers, plan to release a Svelte laptop that runs Linux. Manufacturing sources speaking to the Taiwanese site Digitimes, which has, by the way, a horrible track record, just in my personal opinion, says that the company is developing a 15-inch notebook with partners, Invitech,

who also makes notebooks for HP, Acer, and Toshiba, and Foxconn, where the manufacturing happens for Apple's iPhones, iPads, and the PlayStation and Xbox and Nintendo. The Yamme laptop will probably feature a high price-performance ratio and the target retail price of around $470 US greenbacks. Y'all may make some good stuff. They're often known as an Apple rip-off. Are you familiar with their stuff, Wes? I've enviously looked at some of theirs.

I wouldn't mind a cheap Android phone that looks pretty. This would be run in not Android. This would be run in Linux. Yes, which would be even better. Yeah, this would be full-on and you wouldn't have to worry about installing Linux. I've never installed GNU slash Linux. Because it would come pre-installed with it. That's awesome. Yeah. Now, it could be full on, and you wouldn't have to worry about installing Linux. I've never installed GNU slash Linux. Because it would come pre-installed with it. That's awesome.

Yeah. Now, it could be a hoax, though. They have had a hoax in the past. But I don't know. Anybody in the Mumbler room, you guys? Anybody check this out? If you had a sub-$500 nice-looking laptop from Yao Mei, now it's not going to be like Super Freedom Respecting.

It's probably going to be something similar to a Chromebook. Anybody in the Mumbler room jumping on it? I might give it a thought. What distro is probably going to be something similar to a Chromebook. Anybody in the mobile room jumping on it? I might give it a thought. What distro is it going to be running? Well, the rumor is a custom version of Linux. Could mean a lot of things. Yeah, exactly. But they say

DigiTimes is not always, as they point out on OMG Ubuntu, not always that reliable. I agree. I agree. But it could make sense. It could go into a nice lineup of products. So actually, I could see it. I could see this really happening. You know, it doesn't seem like a big jump

if you're making cell phones to go into a portable laptop market that maybe includes a data chip, a decent CPU. You can install, you know, maybe your own version of Linux on there. This could be kind of a neat thing. I'd be excited to see a new hardware

manufacturer at least. Or, you know what? Here's a way. I got another tip for you. This is your pro tip. You ready for this? I got pro tips. Actually, let me think about this. Maybe we should save this for the show because this is good. This is really good. Maybe we'll save it in the show.

Now let's talk about it now. Let's talk about it right now. Such a tease. Did you guys see that the Linux Foundation is giving away Chromebooks? The Linux Foundation is giving away Chromebooks when you sign up for some classes. So here I'm going to here's the detail. This is from

our buddy over at IT World, Swampley. How do you say his name? I met him at LinuxCon. Nice guy. Nice guy. He took a selfie with his huge Nexus 6, and now he's using an iPhone 5S to test Android Wear. So Linux Foundation is giving away Chromebooks when you enroll in a training course in the month of September.

What do you think about this? The Linux Foundation giving away Chromebooks. Interesting. Well, that's a bummer. I've only just enrolled for a course in like the 30th of August. Well, at Wimpy, does it make you uncomfortable that they're giving away Chromebooks, or does that seem perfectly fine?

Well, I'm not surprised, because the course that I've enrolled for says that in order to do the course where you have to be running Chromium or Google Chrome. Oh, really? Oh, really? Oh, really? Huh. At first, my first gut reaction was like I wasn't super comfortable

because this doesn't feel like real Linux. But here's what made me sort of change my tune. I feel a little bit better when I read this. Jim Zimlin, he's the executive director of the Linux Foundation, he said, We want students of Linux to experience a Linux desktop and Chromebooks are a great way to do that. Either through Google's Linux-based OS

or by installing one of the many Linux distros available. That's not bad. He says, we hope this offer can provide the freedom Linux developers and IT professionals value and spark new ideas and discoveries as they embark on our Linux training program.

So he's right there saying in the announcement that they're pretty much okay if you wipe Chrome OS off there and put any Linux distro on there. And that I'm all about. And by the way, they're not bad Chromebooks. They look like they're these Dell Chromebooks that we've talked about in the past. Yeah, the Dell Chromebook 11. The 299 Chromebook

features probably an 11.6 inch display, 1.4 gigahertz processor, and 4 gigabytes, 4 gigabytes of RAM. So there you go. That's not a bad giveaway. No, it could be pretty fun for people to get it to play with as they're learning Linux. Yeah, absolutely. That could be a great way for people to get their start,

and it's not a big investment for them to. See, that's actually really clever because if it's not a huge expense, then maybe you're not so worried about trying out and seeing how things go. And if things don't go well, well, it was a Chromebook you got for free. You don't mind if you erase your hard drive a couple times while you're installing it.

This is Linux Unplugged, episode 108 for September 1st, 2015. Welcome to Linux Unplugged, your weekly Linux talk show that's learning how to dump its black tank. My name is Chris. My name is Wes. Hey, Wes. Hey, guess what? Big show today, Wes. Yeah, I know, I know.

Surprise, surprise, surprise. What? Big show today, Wes. I know, I know. Surprise, surprise, surprise. So I've been pondering this question. I realized maybe I actually have the best group to possibly ask it to because I need to get an international perspective on this one. So we're going to bring in our virtual lug on one of our quandaries. Top law enforcement officials in the U.S. want backdoors into all types of encryption technology. This is something they've been debating since early in the year

and it's picking up a lot of steam. What would the ramifications be for open source, especially code that's developed outside the U.S., if the U.S. were to make this the land of the law? What responsibilities does open source have, distro makers and things like that? So I want to talk about that and just pontificate on the subject. Also, some details on the upcoming roadshow,

Kubuntu's new look, and saying goodbye to an old friend. Plus, we have some really awesome Go-powered retro feedback coming up in today's episode. So, since that's so much to get into, no more delaying is allowed. I say we bring in that virtual lug.

Time-appropriate greetings, Mumble Room. Hello. Hello. Hello, guys. Good evening. It's good to have you all here yes good evening hello all so let's start with a little follow-up i i know uh some of us may have seen that kubuntu has a brand new look they have a brand new look for a brand new well for a brand new season i guess it's It's fall after all. It's becoming fall. And I want, Wes, your first takes on Kubuntu.org's brand new look, one of the big stories today going around. What do you think?

Nice and clean? Yeah. Don't like it? No, I like it. I think it represents Plasma 5 pretty well. Oh, yeah. It does actually front and center represent some really nice aspects of- I haven't used it too much, so the usability, that's a separate question, but it's at least

visually appealing. Yeah, it really does kind of highlight some of the nice things. Like here's the productivity suite and the multimedia playback. Good point. Yeah, it does draw a lot of focus to that. It does make me want to use Kubuntu. It kind of does, doesn't it? Yeah, you know, it's easy right there.

It looks really nice. It's pretty but not in your face in like a big Windows way. And like if you're wondering like how do I do media playback, they have a button right there that will show you that. I've actually heard some grumbling about it, but when I look at it myself, I'm pretty impressed. I like how they've broken out long term. They also make it

really clear here on which one is the latest and still released on their download page. And then the page I haven't looked at yet is their community one. Oh yeah, there we go. They got a web chat set up right here. I don't know. I think it's pretty nice. Anybody in the mumble room have any reactions to the new kabuntu.org? It's okay.

Mike, I'm on a full desktop, so I don't have Windows full screen all the time. When your browser has the screen, it's pretty much hamburger menu, and the icons are fairly large, even on a 1080p desktop. So I still think it needs some work. Chiroom thinks it should be KDE.org. I kind of agree. This would be a great KDE.org site. Yeah, definitely.

Should help out. Well, I just props to those guys. It looks like a lot of work and effort went into that. If anybody else has any comments, go on once. Oh, did you just shrink it down and see what he's saying? Yeah. Yeah, it's not great. They should work on their mobile design.

It does work, though, when you shrink it down at least. Oh, yeah, definitely. I can grab the download right here. Yeah. Well, it does look like they just bought a theme. So, I mean, looks like they'll need some tweaking after that. Yeah, maybe that's the case. Maybe that's the case. All right.

I wanted to just note, because we've been following this story in Unplugged now for a little while, another death in Flash is, another nail in Flash's death coffin, is that the right turn of phrase? Nail in the coffin, yep. Yeah, something like that. Something like that. Flash is dying, that's important. Yeah, that is the important, that is the thing to pull from that, and I think this is a big one,

because Chrome is going to block, like, those obnoxious flashing ads in one of the next updates. This is huge for us Linux users, because this begins to finally die off. And then what I'm looking forward to is eventually somebody's going to have to come up with a really good solution for live streaming in HTML5. Hopefully this will put more pressure on that. Wimpy, are you skeptical? Well, it was just that it was last week or the week before

that there was this big brouhaha about Hulu not that I can use it but Hulu has switched to Flash is that right so Hulu switched to Flash what were they before did they switch or have they always been Flash

but I saw a load of maybe from Silverlight or something, huh? Maybe, maybe. Pardon our does, let's see. Yeah, and then over here, I've got Amazon Prime subscription. So I've now got access to Prime Music because that's just arrived a couple of weeks ago

and Prime Instant Video. And the only way I can access those services on Linux Prime, I've now got access to Prime Music because that's just arrived a couple of weeks ago, and Prime Instant Video. And the only way I can access those services on Linux is with Flash. So there's still some sort of premium content providers out there using Flash. So I'm wondering if we're heralding in Flash's death prematurely. To me, it's like the slow end of a distribution. Amazon's quite a big company, I think. Eventually. I don't know about right now.

I mean, yeah, you're right, Wimpy. I think it's years off, isn't it? Because, hmm, yeah, because Google itself distributes quite a bit of ads over Flash. I think Flash is going to end up dying the death of XP. Yeah? Is that in the sense that it gets relegated to a whole bunch of people are still using it kind of thing? Or what do you mean there? Like, just it drags on forever before it actually gets put away. The same sort of things where you need XP for that one piece of hardware, but business

can't upgrade. That's what happens to Flash. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I could see it. I don't actually... You guys are such a bunch of pessimists. I think this is actually starting to happen, though, to a degree. Everybody in the chat room is like, come on. No, come on. When you have auto-pause happening, you have...

I don't know. I think this is actually people are starting to finally turn the tide. I think this is really happening. Plus, I think at the same time this is happening where I think it's going to be a big deal that, well, maybe not. We'll see. But a lot of iOS devices starting in the fall are going to automatically start blocking ads. Safari on iOS 9 is coming with a built-in ad blocker. You combine that with the auto-pausing of flash ads, and online advertising is about to take a big hit. I mean, display ads.

Yeah, definitely. That'll be interesting. Do we know anything about how Google decides what the main content is versus the auxiliary? Well, yeah, a little bit. So what Google is doing is they're looking at ads that loop fast. So if you have a very short video play of loop, loop, loop, loop, loop, loop, loop, it'll count that after a certain amount, and then it will detect that and then pause it. And you can go into advanced settings and select the content settings for privacy, and then you can deselect and run important plugin content or something like that is the wording.

I can't quite remember it, but yeah. Got it. Oh, here. I think they specified... Actually, here's the link. I have it in the show notes. Here it is from Google. And they have some of the link. I have it in the show notes. Here it is from Google. And they have some of the details.

And they also talk about how to convert your – oh, this is interesting. This is – okay. So here's the back end on this is going to work. So starting on September 1st, that's today, most Flash ads uploaded to AdWords, that's Google's ad platform, are automatically going to be converted to HTML5 to ensure your ads continue to show up on Google's display network. Very nice. So that's how Google's getting around the fact that so many of their ads are in Flash, is they're converting them to HTML5.

I wonder, they must just be breaking them out and then transcoding them if necessary. Yeah, that's kind of interesting technology. Yeah, yeah. And then they give people instructions like, perhaps it's not perfect, though, because they say you need to identify Flash ads in your content that aren't eligible for automatic conversion. And then convert these, and they give you steps to do that. Oh. Yeah.

So, hmm. Hmm. I think online advertising is about to, for display ads, is about to get a big shakeup. Yeah, what are they going to do about that? I don't know. That's a huge market. I think they ought to convert to podcast advertisers, personally. That's what are they going to do about that? I don't know. That's a huge market. I think they ought to convert to podcast advertisers. Personally. Right.

That's what I think they should do. We'll consult, offer, suggest. Yeah. Yeah, well, yes, apparently there are HTML5s. I mean, so Flash video, for the most part, is really just an H.264 video and sometimes an MP3 audio stream wrapped up in an FLV

container. And then the Flash player is simply just playing it. Like our live stream right now is an H.264 stream and an MP3 audio stream that is then wrapped up in FLV and sent to the player. That just happens to be a very good container for delivering live content. If you have the technology, you could have, like, for example, there is an open source tool out there called Live Streamer. And Live Streamer will break H.264 and the audio stream out of the FLV container. I'm probably butchering the real technicals of how this works, but this is layman understanding.

It will break it out of the FLV container and then repackage it up for you and display it on your Linux box without any need for Flash. And so you could take something like the LiveStreamer app and point it at the Jupyter Broadcasting backup stream on Ustream, and it will break the stream out of – it will break the H.264 video out and the MP3 video out and repackage it for you automatically right now. So it's obviously possible because really all flash video is is H.264 video with a flash container. So that's why it's not that hard. But it's fascinating. It's fascinating.

And this is on the verge of we were just kind of talking about in the pre-show, but there's a bunch of industry people coming together to hopefully work on a non-patent encumbered video codec. I don't have my hopes up, but it's happening at least. We'll see. Yeah. All right. So let's move on to something else. And something I've been thinking a lot about right now is mobile data. And I'm going to tell you why in a little bit coming up on the show.

And so, of course, that gets me thinking about our friends over at Ting. I'd like you to think about them, too. Go to linux.ting.com and check them out. It's mobile that makes sense. Ting is on a mission to change up mobile. I say people follow Ting for a while. You've known that some of the things they've been pioneering have now been showing up in other ways in sort of a watered-down fashion in the industry.

It's kind of a little disappointing they can't ever quite get it right, but I guess that's kind of how it goes when you're an imitator. Ting is great because it's no contracts, no early termination fees, and you only pay for what you use. They just take your minutes, your messages, and your megabytes, and they add them up. It's $6 for the line, and then it's just your usage on top of that. It's a really slick system, and in fact,

if you go over to linux.ting.com, you're going to save $50 off your first Ting device or $50 in Ting service credit. We have a special promo for the month of September to give you $50 of service credit or off your first device. And so you think about that. You're only paying for what you use. Well, my first month of Ting service was less than $25. So you might be able to get a couple of months in there or do what I'm doing.

I'm picking up the Ting Netgear Zing. At least I think this is the one I'm going to get my hands on. This is a nice Wi-Fi hotspot that connects to the Ting network, has a nice LCD, or I think it's OLED screen on it, touchscreen. So you can see your signal, how many users you have connected, your battery life, and then you only pay for what you use. So once you buy this and it's unlocked, you own it. It's just $6 a month for the line and then your data usage and you can turn it on and off. And with a $50 service credit, well, I mean, you might be able to use this for a few months and not have to pay a dime and there's

no contract after you're done. It's just a $6 hotspot in your pocket. Go to linux.ting.com, get that discount. Also check out their savings calculator. CY Ting is really, really great. They have a CDMA and GSM network. So I'm going to be using it. I'm going to actually, I'm hoping to end up with a CDMA and GSM Ting device. So that way, wherever the signal's the best, that's the one I'll use for broadcasting on the road. That's slick. I'm still looking into all of that still, but I think it's going to be really great. And if I ever have any troubles, or if you ever have any troubles, Ting has no hold customer service. You can call them at 1-855-TING-FTW anytime between 8 a.m a.m or 8 p.m east coast and a real human answers the phone and they can actually solve your problems and if you're a small business definitely definitely

definitely look into ting because it is an incredible way to save money uh essentially this has been verified by a couple of third parties if you have guaranteed if you have between like 11 and 20 employees you're probably going to save on Ting. It's almost guaranteed. It's impossible not to, and it goes from there too. Because it's $6, there's no early termination for you. You can move the phones around. It's easy to manage the lines.

You can turn them on and off. You can add and remove devices with no penalties. It's so slick. And then all the features you'd expect, like hotspot and tethering and caller ID and all that stuff with no crazy, mysterious line items. And a really easy to manage dashboard. Go to linux.ting.com and a big thanks to Ting. Go get that $50 credit or $50

off a Ting device. And they have the whole range of devices, GSM and CDMA. linux.ting.com and a big thank you to Ting for sponsoring Linux Unplugged. You guys rock. That $50 promo is awesome. I want to do a little follow-up from this Sunday's Linux Action Show. We talked about GoTTY, a way to share your terminal as a web page. And Halifax submitted his use of GoTTY after that episode of Linux Action Show. I thought that was so cool. Because he said there's a lot of different things you can use with GoTTY. I was delighted to see that you guys covered it in the last episode.

I recently, just about a week ago, started experimenting with GoTTY as a bridge between my Telnet SSH BBS and the web. And it's been pretty sweet. The author was very responsive on his GitHub page and walking me through a handful of issues I was having, getting the font set up correctly. So he has connected his frickin' BBS to the web using GoTTY. And if you're watching the video version right now, I'm amazed. Look at that. That's amazing. That's awesome. That is incredible. We have a link in the show notes if you guys want to check it out. But I love this. This is a super solid follow-up, I thought, to look at that. So I'm going to type in, let's type in Chris Elias. Chris Elias. or maybe I should put new in there.

Create an account. Yes. Okay. My username is going to be Chris LAS. My origin is Jupiter. That seems like that should be good, right? Only logical. My email is Chris at Jupiter broadcasting.com. That's a secret.

Don't tell anybody that. Okay, Wes. And my password, I better not, I better not say what my password is. Super secret JB password. Yeah. It's super, super secret. Create account. Yes, create account.

Boom. Now I'm done. Now I'm in as BBS using... Jeez, this is a really nice system. Look at this. Here's the bulletins. Here's rumors. Who's online?

Who else is online right now? Let's take a look. Just me. Just Chris LAS. Yeah, I'm a little lonely. Hmm. That's too bad. This is slick, though.

Oddnetwork.org slash BBS if anybody else wants to get online. Yeah, I agree. And so Spacebar, yeah. So everybody go. There we go. Now we got somebody else online. We got Anonymous is logging in. Cool.

We're rocking this BBS. And look, it's moving around my screen because you had a CRT monitor back in BBS days. So you wouldn't want to burn in. So every time you refresh, it's awesome, I guess. Or maybe it's, I'm not sure why it's moving around. But that is really cool. That is really great. Thank you, Halifax, for submitting that into the subreddit.

That is some awesome feedback. And that, going from Flash, that's not Flash at all, right? So that's a great, that's such a great use of HTML5, I guess, is what you'd call it, I suppose. Okay, I wanted to talk about this story just because I've been trying to contemplate in my head, like, how exactly would open source deal if this actually happened? So a couple of different really important people, James Comey, the director of the FBI, and Admiral Mike Rogers, the director of the NSA, are both petitioning industry, the technology industry,

specifically Silicon Valley and Congress as well. And they've remained adamant that companies need to install government-friendly backdoors into their encryption products. And I've played some clips, quite a few clips actually on our own filter show about this. But this continues to be a trend that legislators are actively considering because of the threat of terrorism and they're worried that terrorists are using WhatsApp and whatnot to communicate. And so they want to have backdoors. And I could really care less if they work with Skype or WhatsApp or Instagram or Facebook to build in a backdoor. That almost seems like a given.

But when I start thinking about what if it became a requirement that if this is a communications piece, this is how the legislation is currently sort of being proposed. Communications enabling technology has to have backdoors. Well, there's a lot of things that fall under that category. A lot of open source products and projects fall under communications enabling technology. And so I don't really understand how if law is passed in the U.S. that mandates this, but software is created outside the U.S. by open source developers, how do we reconcile that difference? And does that software have to comply with U.S. law to be used in the U.S.? Wes, do you have any thoughts on this? I don't know, but it sounds very negative for – I mean we've seen how much open source is important to business interests these days. Sure.

And already you see, you know, some programs developed outside of the U.S., OpenBSD comes to mind almost explicitly because they don't want things like this meddling with software.

So I don't think it would be in our interest to have this policy. Yeah, I agree. And of course, building in back doors by design is not as necessarily. Right, as we've seen all the time.

Import restrictions, exactly. I wonder if this will come across as import restrictions. Anybody in the Mumble room have any thoughts as we've seen all the import restrictions exactly i wonder if this will come across as import restrictions anybody in the mumble room have any thoughts as as we start to talk about this my first thought is no this should not exist in any way shape or form in the entire world because it's just going to compromise everybody in the end yeah building in basically making the product insecure by design. My biggest beef on this one from an economic standpoint is don't they realize that this is going to

kill U.S. businesses? Yeah, exactly. I also wonder how they think, I mean, it depends on if it's at the service level, but if the NSA can use a backdoor into something, I wonder why they're so, you know, if they're arrogant enough to think that the Chinese intelligence service wouldn't be able to find such a backdoor into something. I wonder why they're so, you know, if they're arrogant enough to think that the Chinese intelligence service wouldn't be able to find such a backdoor. Absolutely.

Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Especially as we've seen that, you know, documentation and information can leak, secrets get stolen, a source code can be stolen.

And then once that gets out there, then that, then that any, anybody that's implemented that product is compromised. And so that's a, and it seems, it seems like extremely, it seems like an extremely slippery slope because what I would worry about is it would force large companies that work with the government as contractors or the government itself to buy proprietary software and no longer be able to include an open source option because they don't have these mandated requirements. And they would just look at it as they are not up to whatever the spec requirements are.

And they would just simply be disqualified on those grounds. And so they would have to go to vendors like Oracle and Microsoft and Apple or whoever, Cisco, whoever, instead of implementing an open source solution because those open source solutions can't be guaranteed to have that. And they're not going to be bothered to patch it themselves or whatever because it's probably impractical. Right. They'll just get a bid from one of those companies, and that'll be that. Yeah. It just makes me really uncomfortable when I think about it.

I was specifically wimpy outside the U.S. I'd be really curious what your thoughts are when we make changes like this and how we can mess with people outside the U.S. Any insight there? mess with people outside the US. Any insight there? The UK is so in bed with the US that it's pretty much the same or similar

legislation and activities end up being adopted over here. In fact, Cameron himself has been making a lot of rumblings about this very same issue at the same time. Yes, he has. It's very interesting that both sides of the pond are talking about the same thing at the same time. There's very interesting that both sides of the pond are talking about the same thing at the same time.

There's obviously a push behind the scenes here for this. And I mean, not to say I'm frying conspiracy bacon in a Linux show, but it seems pretty obvious on the face of it that they're all talking about it at the same time. And it seems like we're surrounded. It really does. And in the case where open source

might be our salvation as users, I feel like it could also then any companies that have to follow these standards and requirements, any private companies or any government departments that can't use open source. It's just – I don't like the way it's going. The good thing is the battle isn't over yet and there's actually a lot of agencies in the government that are also taking opposite stances. I think the FCC just published something actually today saying that solid encryption is fundamental to protecting U.S. commerce. Yeah, definitely. So obviously there's a lot of different angles on this. If you are curious about this topic at all,

it's something we've been following since about April pretty consistently in the Unfilter Show, and you can check out some of our episodes on that. I've played some clips. I think I – oh, I did, actually, in the show notes, too. If you really actually are really concerned about this, and I kind of would – I like to believe that some of you out there actually are, even if it's just a fantasy.

If not us, then. I linked in the show notes a hearing back in – jeez, where was it? I'm looking for it right now. It was a hearing back in April, I think, about this topic and about all of this. And it's a very long, boring C-SPAN capture. But it covers the reasons why they want this and how they want it done. And it's – they're really working on it. And I just – I always – I I always curious when one major nation makes a

big decision like that, how it impacts Linux and open source. Maybe the audience has some insights on this too. LinuxActionShow.reddit.com and look for episode 108. Raymond in the chat room says, if it went through, wouldn't that mean that Fedora and Debian, etc. would stop shipping security software as non-free on the

same grounds as things like patent encumbered codecs? That's exactly what I was thinking too, is it all of a sudden, I mean, yeah, because the Fedora projects and Debian project isn't going to want to ship stuff that's compromised by design. Right?

No, it doesn't protect the user. Oh boy. See what a slippery slope this could be. That's something I've been thinking about and I just don't, I don't quite have an answer to it and maybe we're overthinking it, but I don't think so. I think it's something that the kids and what are your thoughts

i think that the rest of the world is smarter i don't think they'll go along with it i mean the u.s could only go so far with with bullying and with legislation before the rest of the world just says stop it you're only five percent of the population you don't get to dictate what the rest of the 95% of the world does. Oh, maybe. Yeah, maybe. But a lot of the industry and influence is where they're making those decisions right now. So this is probably, from their point of time, the time to do it.

Well, they still have that position. Well, I don't know. Let's move on. This kind of got us down, doesn't it? It's a little depressing. I'm sorry. I don't want to be – yeah, I agree. It is very –

And the value of this is negative. No more with that. So no more with this. Let's actually move on to something I'm really crazy super excited about. I want to talk about the roadshow that we're going to be doing here in just a little bit. But first, why don't we pick it up? Let's pick up the pace. Let's talk about something that makes me excited.

Let's talk about DigitalOcean. Let's talk about our friends at DigitalOcean just for a second, because you could go over there and create something that makes you feel good. It doesn't make me think about James Comey or Admiral Rogers or whatever. It makes me think about creating Linux servers on demand, because DigitalOcean is dedicated to offering the most

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It's a pretty cool system. They get updates right from the upstream distro. DigitalOcean.com, use the promo code D-O, unplugged. Big thank you to DigitalOcean for sponsoring the unplugged program. So I've been trying to come up with a name for the road show. So, Wes, you've been current on the shows. I'm impressed. I just watched the latest last this morning.

Look at you. You're doing your homework before you came up here. You've got to be prepared. So you were, were you honeymooning or moving last week? I can't remember. I get them all mixed up. Kind of both. Got back from my honeymoon and then I had to move out of my previous house.

So I'm finally back to a little bit of normalcy. So hold on. You get married and then you go on a honeymoon and then you move? Like'm finally back to a little bit of normalcy so hold on you get married then and then you and then you go on a honeymoon and then you move like all like back to back to back oh yeah why didn't you i mean i mean i'm not why didn't you either schedule the move or the marriage further apart probably should have there were some uh yeah let's just say operational constraints okay i'm very familiar with that now i won't be more stable i understand i'm very familiar with that. But it's done now? I'll be more stable? I understand. I'm very familiar with operational constraints. Let me tell you.

Yeah. Yeah. That's my world these days. So this roadshow, so I guess I don't have to fully update you. You're pretty current on what's going on. I'd like to hear it from the horses, Matt. Oh, well, all right. So, well, I'll give you, I'll get everybody super up to date on where we're at.

So right now I am planning to go on the road. And this is all semi-locked down, but also as anything that's production-oriented could change at the last minute. So I make that disclaimer. But right now, tentatively planning to get on the road September 19th and make the drive from Everett, Washington to Grand Forks, North Dakota, taking US-2.

Noah tells me that we can leave from Everett, Washington and make it to his house without taking more than like four or five Dakota, taking US-2. Noah tells me that we can leave from Everett, Washington, and make it to his house without taking more than four or five turns off of US-2. Now, we're going to, but that's a pretty cool concept, so we're going to see if it's—that was the basic core concept. We get there, and then we've committed to doing a Last Cribs edition where I want to go through and tour Noah's house, put on his Google Glass, and take some video of how he automates his house, see if I can find where he's

snuck in some Windows or Macs in the house. Wouldn't that be something? JD Scandal. But the idea is the journey between Everett and Grand Forks, North Dakota, that itself is going to be content. We're going to be recording along the way.

We're going to be trying to produce shows along the way. Doing meetups along US too between Everett and Grand Forks and starting in Spokane with Iamacon and crew. If anybody wants to meet up at the – Iamacon, put the brewery in there again if you would. The Roaming Penguin. Yeah, that's a good name. Yeah. So we're trying to come up with a name for the road trip. Oh, so I should back up.

I'm very excited. I'm very excited. So that was the core concept we started with months ago. I mean, months and months ago when we had a goal on Patreon. And so we've been trying to figure out how to really do this in a way that's sustainable. And my initial thought was, in order to continue to do shows so the shows can continue, I should rent an RV because it would be madness to buy an RV. Just crazy. That would be, what the hell am I going to do with an RV? So I will rent an RV because it would be madness to buy an RV. Just crazy.

That would be, what the hell am I going to do with an RV? So I will rent an RV. And it turns out that's like a lot of money. Like I don't normally really sit there and budget and plan things out. It's not my style. But in this one particular case, like Noah was here and we had the whole crew here. We were going down. We broke down all the numbers and we looked at it.

here and we had the whole crew here. We were going down, we broke down all the numbers and we looked at it and it was like, it's going to cost us over $6,000 just to rent an RV to do this road trip. Wow. Yeah. And so, because they also have to pay for like 38 cents a mile for gas and stuff like that, so it's very expensive.

And that was like, oh, it totally took the wind out of the sails. And then I started the search process just to see what it would cost to just get a lightweight trailer to pull with my truck that I have already. I looked at, like, teardrop units because, you know, I'm telling you, price range is low here because we don't have a lot to work with. And I found a unit that folks were selling because the owner was having some health issues. And he'd only taken it on three trips, twice down to California, once to the Oregon coast. And they live here in Washington.

And so I go through. It's a 25-foot trailer, and it was just about right. You know, it's not quite like an Airstream or something like that, but it's still a fine trailer. And the deal was all getting finalized, and I was about ready to, like, I thought maybe we could even do a show out of it. But the gentleman selling to me had a heart attack last week. Oh, that's terrible. Yeah, it's awful. It's awful.

And so it completely derailed the deal for a couple of days. More important things on their mind, I'm sure. Yes, sure. So we managed, but things are picking back up this week. So that's good. So I managed to get a fantastic deal because they needed to get rid of this RV pretty bad. And so I got a fantastic deal on a trailer that I'm going to load up on September 19th, ideally, and hit the road and then meet up with people along the way, do broadcasts.

And we'll see where I have connectivity and I don't. And I'm going to take it over the Stevens Pass. I've never pulled a trailer over Stevens Pass. I don't have an engine break. But I'm going to take it over the pass. It should be fine. And, yeah, and meet up with people on the other side. And I'm really, really looking forward to it.

And so this, so Zerocon 34 had a couple ideas to name the road show. I'm trying to come up with a good name for this road show. Because we're going to be doing, you know, many of the shows from the road, including Last and Unplugged. And so he wrote, says, Chris mentioned he was looking for a silly name for the new mobile studio in his RV. And he says, here was an idea for the show name, The Whole Enchilada Show. The Whole Enchilada Show. I don't know about that one.

The other suggestions came in, the mobile-oriented broadcast in Linux entertainment, which the acronym for that would be mobile. That's pretty clever. That's pretty good. JBTube is also available. The Freebird, I like that. That's not bad, actually. The Freebird. The Roaming Penguin, again, comes up.

So anyways, Mumberm, if you guys have any ideas for what we should name the road trip. The Linux Action Show Roadshow, that's not bad. Chiron's throwing some at us right now. ShuttlePod 5. I don't know why I like that, but I do. That's pretty good, too. Freebird's not bad. Chyram's throwing some at us right now. Shuttle Pod 5. I don't know why I like that, but I do. That's pretty good, too. Freebird's not bad.

And it's a Jayco trailer, too, so it has birds on it already, and we could put a penguin on there. Ooh. Yeah. I like the Freebird. I'm going to write that one down. I'm writing that down. We've got a couple of votes for Freebird. That's not bad.

He's actually writing it on paper, guys. Yeah, yeah. It's distressingly old school. That's actually how I commit things to memory, I find, is if I actually write them down. So I don't know exactly how we're going to do this. We're going to try to power the broadcast from the rig using Linux. Oh, this is exciting. Yeah, yeah.

We're going to try to actually make everything DC-powered, too, which should be an interesting challenge. So we'll have a couple of Linux laptops, probably one of them running NiceCast or IceCast or whatever. But there's actually a program called But. I mean, there's a lot of different ones we could use. I don't know. We're going to use something to send a signal back in Skype. And then we're going to do local recordings so that way the audio quality should be pretty good. So it shouldn't be that bad unless there's a bunch of background noise or something like that.

And I wonder if this real stretch goal of mine would be to be actually able to broadcast while the rig is moving. Oh, that would be amazing. I don't know where that would be possible at. I have to make sure I have really good signal, but I think it would be amazing to do a show while the rig's actually going down the road. Live stream you just quietly driving for hours. No, I wouldn't be driving and doing a show at the same time.

That's way too distracting. So if you would like to help out with our effort, I would more than appreciate that because the wish list is posted and the list is long. Right. Now, the big thing that I'm really thinking I'm probably not going to be able to purchase, and so if somebody out there is in a position to be able to afford it, is the cell phone booster kit, which boosts all 4G LTE signals.

Oh, really? From all the networks. That's impressive. You put an antenna up on a metal plate on top of the trailer and then it has a plate that it connects to inside the rig and then it rebroadcasts all LTE signals. So some people in the reviews I've read say maybe if you have one bar, this thing will

transform it into four bars. And I'm thinking that's the difference between doing a show and not doing a show. However, the problem is it's $380. And the installation is probably going to be another $400. Which, just paying for the installation alone is about all I can afford. Plus I'm getting other things installed on the rig as well and getting some things removed. That would be one that could make the difference between being able to do a show and not being able to do a show.

And it's one that I don't think I can buy. So that would be high on my list if somebody could afford that. We have the wish list linked in the show notes. There's also other things on there like everything, like toilet paper. I mean anything you can do to help would be greatly appreciated because tomorrow I'm taking the truck in and I'm getting it sort of ready. You know, there's a lot of small things on your vehicle when you drive 5, 10 miles a day.

You don't really care that it's out of alignment or the tires need rotation or that you're 1,500 miles over on your oil or that your mirror is shaking or that your e-brake hasn't worked for three years or that... The niceties, you know. or that you've never had your cooling system flushed. You don't care about these things when you're just driving five, ten miles a day. But then when you're going to be towing a 25-foot trailer 3,000 miles plus, then these are things you need to look into.

So tomorrow I'm taking the truck in and getting all that work done on it, which pretty much soaks up pretty much any – All the free spending. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So if anybody does want to help out, we have the wish link linked in the show notes. And as I go along, I'll be posting videos and things like that too.

So hopefully it's going to be a ton of fun. And if something blows up in my face, I plan to record that too. I'm not just going to repost the good stuff. Ooh. Yeah. Yeah, if I end up with a flat on the side of the road, I'm going to turn it into content. I am bound and determined to make the best out of it. That's all you'll be doing while you wait for the tow truck.

Yeah, yeah. And so I don't know. I'll have the Mumba Room with me, or Wes, potentially, you could be here in studio, and I could be, you know, you'd be here maybe jumping and pulling the Mumba Room in, because the show's got to go on. I'd love to help.

That'd be great. And then we'll still have somebody local in studio when I'm out on the road. Somebody says get AAA. That's probably not a bad idea, though. I should look into the cost of AAA. Yeah, maybe you can do it for just a month or whatever. Yeah, I wonder if they have a limited thing.

And I'm getting insurance, too, for the trailer. Are there any business things you have to do for a road trip? Anybody in the mumber room have an RV? No. I'm screwed. I got nobody to get advice from. I'm all out on my own on this. I've been watching YouTube videos and reading how-tos.

And I think I actually might have made a good move not ending up with an Airstream. Maybe. I was reading about wireless signals and getting wireless in and out of. It looks like those Airstreams sometimes are a little difficult on that. And also, I'm pre-marking down areas along US2 where I think I might be able to get Wi-Fi if there's no cellular signal. And I got an email from somebody who's like, hey Chris, why don't we meet up here? This is probably your last best place to get good internet in Montana. And I'm looking at the map and it's

like way, way, way, way, way, way, way east. Or way west on Montana. So it's way early in the trip. And I'm looking at it going, you mean I don't have good internet for like the rest of Montana? I'm going to go crazy. It's a big space. I'm going to go crazy. You should probably download those coverage maps before you leave.

Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't picture any Wi-Fi signal either coming out of there. So, yeah, there you go. I'm pretty excited. That's the latest. I'm trying to think if there's any other updates. I'm going to be posting more videos to our patrons, too, for people to check that out.

But this will be an interesting challenge, a live mobile Linux-powered broadcast. I don't know. Has anybody else done that? I don't know of anyone. Is this the first? Is this the first? I don't know. Has anybody else done that? I don't know of anyone. Is this the first? I don't know. It could be a first. You should probably just start calling it the first. I think I'm going to call it the first.

That's right. That's how it works on the internet, right? Stick to your question. That's what I was thinking. TokenRings said in the chat room it might do me some good to disconnect from time to time. Yeah, especially in the mountains and, yeah, like at Glacier National Park and stuff. Yeah, I know, Darren. I'm not saying it's the first mobile road show.

I'm saying I think it's the first Linux-powered mobile road show. That's the important part. I think so. I think it's the first Linux-powered mobile road show. Oh, oh, and you know what? Speaking of the wish list, I almost moved on and completely forgot to mention this. The first item off the wish list did arrive because I mentioned it on last on Sunday.

And it came from Noah. And it is the Black Tank Empty Kit, which is the poop hose. So this is the poop hose I'll be using on the road trip to empty the piss and poo from the RV. And Noah got it for me off the wish list. Isn't that great? So that was his special contribution right there to the road trip. No, that's not his only contribution. But he got me a nice 15 foot

what is it? Rhinoflex sewer kit. Rhinoflex sewer kit. And do you know why you want a clear swivel connector right there? I do not. So that way when you flush out your black tank, you can see the water turn from brown to clear.

Oh, so you know. You know it's clear. You know it's clean. I think this means you might not be welcome to use Noah's bathroom when you get there. You think that's some subtle? Yeah, maybe. You're probably right. Yeah, well, you know what's funny is I liked it because this was Noah's real nice way of saying you're not welcome to stay at the house.

As he said to me, he's like, you have all the facilities? He's like, hey, man, so would you just prefer that I just arrange a hotel for you when you get here? And I'm like, what? I was planning to stay in the RV. He's like, oh, okay. I think he was just trying to make sure I wasn't planning to stay in the house. Like, you can come in and do the last Cribs tour, but you can't stay in the house. That's what I

want to get. Please park a mile away from the property. Yeah, and give us a good 15 minutes notice before you come over. Yeah. We'll see. And then, if something really dramatically goes wrong and, like, I can't get any connectivity, so, like, I can't show up for unplugged or something like that, Noah is offered to stand in and do the broadcast from his studio using OBS and Linux and probably Skype to do the shows. So he can stand in as an emergency host

if for some reason on the road trip I'm completely unavailable. Which means I'll allow myself also to just, if that happens, I'll just take the day off and let Noah handle it. Which I think will be really nice. And then for TechSnap, we're pre-recording because Alan's going to be traveling. Of course. So we're not even

going to be doing TechSnap on the weeks that I'm going to be gone anyways. So that show is taken care of. So it's really a perfect time. It's just all working out. I'm looking forward to it. I'm really looking forward to it. But we could use your help if anybody does want to help us out. I'll have a link in the show notes.

So I have – I want to say goodbye to an old friend. Maybe – I don't know if software has a sex or a gender. Maybe, I don't know if software has a sex or a gender, but Pot Kettle just suggested the fecal matters of Chris Lass as, no, that is not a title suggestion. Okay, so we have an old friend to say goodbye to, somebody who's brought us through good times and bad times, somebody who's really brought us up. I'll tell you more about that here in just a second. First, I want to tell you about our friends at Linux Academy. Go to linuxacademy.com slash unplugged and check out Linux Academy. It's a great resource to learn more about anything around Linux and open source. They have a great set of guides, comprehensive study guides you can pull down, scenario-based labs. They have instructor help available and nuggets to deep dive into singular topics. I love it.

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You guys probably saw the news. Lilo is going to cease development on December. Lilo comes to an end, the old Linux loader. The development of Lilo as a classic bootloader was restarted in 2010. Lilo has some advantages because it's super simple, and a lot of people liked it over Grub and Grub 2. But the developer says that because of limitations with ButterFS, GPT partition tables, and even RAID itself, he's kind of done.

If someone wants to develop this further, he's willing to take submissions. Bye-bye, Lilo. What do you think, Wes? Are you sad when things like this happen? You know, it definitely had its place in history. Personally, I've never relied on it, you know, between Grub and SysLinux. And now, you know, EFI does it itself. I actually think it's a good thing. Yeah, I think so too.

I mean, we only need so many solutions. It's good to have more than one. Yeah, and this is the natural cycle of software. Something gets created, it's useful for a long time. Something new comes along and we make room for the new stuff. And this served its purpose so well. And because the code's open, it never goes fully away. Yeah, you want to use it for your own custom solution?

Go ahead. I actually think Lilo is a perfect example of how open source code started. It was created to solve a problem. People thought it was no longer useful. It was kind of put away. And then in 2010, they came back out and they said, actually, we can take this code that already exists,

and we can make it relevant again. And it got a whole new resurgence. And I don't think you'd ever have seen that with a commercial product because you can't do it because of the licensing. Yeah, you'd be stuck. Yeah. I actually think it's a great example

of the open source lifecycle. I'm trying to think of other projects that I'm familiar with in Mumble Room. If you guys have any suggestions of projects that have been really big and then just have sort of faded away over time. I mean, obviously there's been distros like Mandrake and Mandriva.

But individual projects, I was trying to think of besides Lilo, that have been so important to us at one point and now have sort of faded away. Doom. Doom, no Corky, no, not Doom. Yeah, I don't know. I think it's an interesting, it makes me

appreciate the contribution that they do make while they're here and it kind of makes me realize not everything is going to last forever. And it is a lot of work to keep up with changing file systems and – XMMS. Maybe XMMS. Yeah, you know, some old, old, old X desktop applications. SysLinux. SysLinux.

OpenOffice. I think OpenOffice is still around for the most part. Yeah. It's an interesting way to look at those kinds of projects. DOS. No, no. still around for the most part yeah it's an it's an interesting way to look at those kinds of kind of projects and uh yeah dos no no i can't i look at this too and the history of this thing version 23.0 came out in 2010 and then version 24 was released in 2013 so it was three years between major major releases so it's not like it was super rapid. Reekice's Gnome 2. Star Office! Yeah!

Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, Star Office is, yeah, Syslinux is still used broadly. Yes. Star Office was a big one. MumbleRoom, do you guys have any projects that have faded away that you used to? No. Okay. Nobody's very talkative in there today. BEOS faded away. Yeah, BEOS. Don'tative in there today. BEOS?

Yeah, BEOS. Don't even get me started on BEOS. Yeah, oh boy. My BEOS experience was really solid. I've talked about it. We've talked about it before. We did Heroku. Is that what replaced it? Is that what came along? Their open source haiku? Haiku. We did a haiku episode years ago. You guys remember that?

Haiku action show. That's Haiku. Yeah, yeah. We did a Haiku episode years ago. You guys remember that? Haiku action show? That's what people call it, yeah. The Haiku action show. We didn't actually. I don't think we actually named it that, but yeah. And the Haiku is a pretty fun operating system to check out. You guys can check it out. Anyways, Lilo coming to an end.

You guys can see the announcement in the show in December. Maybe we'll throw a little party for it. Maybe I'll give it a try before it goes away forever. Give it one more boot. I like that, Wes. That's nice. Good way to send it out. We should do like a, boy, that would be really interesting. It's just like a classic Linux distro that's

old kernel using LILO. System D what? No. Hey, guys, if you have any projects, any submissions for that kind of thing, linuxactionshow.reddit.com. Go find episode 108 and submit it there. Or any stories or submissions for this year's show, you can go over there, linuxactionshow.reddit.com, and submit that to us. I'd really like to hear your thoughts on the whole NSA stuff, too.

Kind of, you know, what's going on there with the – how would open source respond to that if backdoor encryption was, like, mandated, having backdoors in the – It would be interesting to hear from some people from other countries. Yes, exactly. And then also, the debate continues on over at the Linux Action Show, if Richard Stallman ever needs to have actually installed Linux. I've never installed GNU slash Linux.

That debate continues to rage on, as well as the kombutu site revamp. And a thread about diehard keystroke launcher, folks. And I have a quick one that I'd like to throw to the audience, and he runs down, by the way, Gnome Do and Synapse and others. I, at some point, you know in Gnome 3, when you hit the meta key or the super key or the Windows key,

whatever you want to call it, it brings over the activities overview, and then you can start searching immediately? I love that. Me too, Wes. That's pretty much how I use it as a launcher. Windows key, whatever you want to call it. It brings over the activities overview, and then you can start searching immediately. I love that. Me too, Wes. That's pretty much how I use it as a launcher. Sometime my main machine upstairs, I accidentally remapped that super key, and I have no idea how to undo that.

Like I cannot use super key anymore. I've gone into GNOME settings and keyboard and shortcuts, and I don't see anything wrong there. I just can't set it anymore. And it's driving me crazy. If anybody knows how to revert that back, like if there's some G comp file, I don't know what I could do. I'd miss being able to hit the meta key and launch my... Oh, that's confusing. Yeah. And because it's upstairs, I can't ever troubleshoot on there. Otherwise, I would try that a little bit. Go TTY and get the mobile room right on your machine.

Yeah. That's true, right? Actually, I was thinking if I can't figure it out, I might just switch over to one of these other ones that were just linked in the subreddit. Koofer is one that looks like it's QT. You have GnomeDew, Synapse, Albert. Albert, how about that? Mutate? I'm going to look at that one, too. This is a really pretty solid lineup, including the built-in K-Runner, Unity, and GnomeShell launchers.

I'm looking at Mutate, though. Award-winning productivity application. Hmm. Okay. It's in the AUR. That meets my requirements. Albert's looking good, though. Look at Albert, Wes. Look at this.

Albert, an amazing desktop environment, agnostic, omni-launcher. The backend will be written at the end of February. Oh, well, okay, it's after February. So these launchers are super. Look, he's doing math in the launcher. He's doing Google searches in there. Huh.

I think that's... Albert might be one to check out. That might be one to look at. I don't know. I see. It looks like it has... It looks like 27 days ago it was last touched. Looks like it's using QT5. So you need to have QT5 installed on your system. That's Albert.

So he has... I'll link to this in the show notes. He's gone through and done a really good job. SB 56637 in the subreddit, and really summarized the current state. Like one of the things I like here is when he's separating out the different launchers, he mentions that NOMDU had its last release in January 22, 2014. I was going to say, yeah. Yeah, so that is the issue with NOMDU is that it doesn't have a lot of active elements. So he's done a really, really superb job. In fact, that is really great work.

He spent some serious time writing this up. So I'll link to that if you guys are curious about this. And if you haven't tried it, have you ever tried to launch it, Wes? Yeah, I used to use GNOME 2 pretty heavily. Yeah, why'd you stop? I just launch everything from the terminal now. Yeah. Oh, really?

Yeah, mostly. Really? Well, I use Phish like you do for a lot of things on my home machine anyway. Yeah, and what's your main desktop environment? GN Really? Well, I use Phish like you do for a lot of things on my home machine anyway. Yeah, and what's your main desktop environment? GNOME. No, I use Awesome. Okay, so that makes sense. Yeah, so they have a shell type launcher.

You really use Awesome? That's great. Oh, boy. Well, then we should have you do a segment on here one week about why you use Awesome. Oh, yeah, that'd be fun. Yeah. And what did you switch from? What would you use before Awesome?

GNOME 3. How recently did you make this transition? It's been, I don't know, probably better part of a year. Really? Yeah. Really? And so you went from GNOME what? That would have been what?

GNOME 3.12-ish timeline? 3.6? Yeah, 3.12-ish timeline? I think 3.12, yeah. And you went to Awesome. Yeah, and I still love GNOME. I put it on friends. You're blowing my mind, though.

I use Cinnamon at work, which is kind of sad. Not that tiling window managers are so, so crazy. It's just for some reason I pegged you as a GNOME 3 gun. I can't remember what we had said. Well, I do really like it. Yeah, yeah. For when I want to show off Linux and make it look really pretty. I feel violated now.

No, I'm just kidding. Everybody tells me I should try it. And we did do one episode on Awesome at one point. And it just, for me, and I wonder if you don't feel it, it feels for me like going back in time. You know, I do understand that from time to time. I do, you know, like, Antegros has a beautifully configured GNOME 3 out of the box. So, like, I use that as my go-to live CD for a lot of things. So I really appreciate it.

Or if I want to just show off slick, shiny Linux, mostly I just don't need... I prefer to mount things myself. And a lot of the little things where I'd rather have my own setup for it already in the arc way. Boy, you're crazy. You're crazy. Yeah, okay, we should do an unplugged episode on Tiling Window Managers.

Anybody in the mumble room on a Tiling Window Manager? I3's pretty great, too. Yeah, that's the one I was thinking about trying, actually, was I3. No, I'm still playing with Plasma 5. Yeah? How's that been going? Well, I'm on the Beta 1 now, and it's getting there.

It's getting better, so I'm hoping, looking forward to 1510, maybe even putting it on my new desktop finally. Fascinating. Well, if you guys want to see us do a Tiling Window Manager episode in Love, I'm not quite sure how. I think we would need people in the Mumble room that are involved or that are running it.

That's how I would like to do it, I think. I think an episode on introducing it and what it is and how people use it would be good. Yeah. Okay, that sounds like that might be a good idea. I suppose I could try it. I just don't want to waste a week of productivity doing something I don't love.

But if we had a few people in the mumble room, because, I mean, maybe it would be okay, but if we had a few other people, maybe long timers, plus you'd be here, that might be a decent product. That could be a good segment. That could be a good segment. All right, I wanted to answer one question before we left the show today,

because we've talked on and off about running Linux on MacBooks on Unplugged. We tried it with Angela's laptop and some other folks went out and bought MacBooks and tried it. Well, Jose writes in with a question that I think a lot of you are probably going to run into if you've ever tried Linux on a MacBook or you know anybody out there who is. And he says, a year back, I wrote in asking for help getting Linux on my HP notebook. After a lot of research, I finally got Arch running flawlessly. However, I need some help again. About six months ago, I really wanted a new laptop, and I was looking at getting the Dell XPS 13, but my mother and girlfriend got me a MacBook Pro Retina with the Iris Pro Graphics

2014 edition as a gift for finishing my PhD. Well, congratulations, Jose. He says, I won't lie. I really like the build quality. Or it's Josie. I'm not sure. But not all that crazy about OS X, right? About a month ago, I installed Anticross, but I have two huge problems. Number one, the battery life drops from seven hours to three hours. And number two, the temperature on the laptop goes way up just by watching a simple video and the fan goes crazy. I wonder if you

guys have any ideas. I've tried to browse the ArchWiki, but it hasn't been all that helpful. I really like to run Linux full-time, but I can't solve these issues. If I can't solve these issues, I'm going back to OS X. So the first issue, seven hours or three hours, I think partially might be which graphics card you're using. So if you're using, say, the built-in dedicated graphics versus the Iris graphics, that's going to use way more power. But the major problem you have, in my opinion, with Linux on MacBooks is that SMC controller. Are you familiar with this? Only broadly. Yeah, the SMC controller is really responsible for a lot of the thermal management and probably,

I don't know, a lot of other regulative things towards power and whatnot in the MacBook. It's a custom Mac thing. There's no driver for Linux available. So the fans and temperature management are all done proactively under OS X. In fact, OS X even is aware of CPU load and GPU load and how that relates to potential heat increase and will preemptively increase the fans to cool the machine. And all of that is done in software inside the OS X operating system. And the reality is that what you get when you don't run OS X on a MacBook is you get essentially the hard limit thermal controls that keeps the hardware alive. So you get these weird swings from low thermal management to extreme thermal management where

the fans kick up. And he says, I'm watching a video and my fans go crazy. I don't have a great fix for this. And I'm wondering if people in the subreddit or in the mumble room or in the IRC do but here's oh look here, Ziera is saying there's a thermal daemon on GitHub you might be able to search for not specifically for Macs, thermal D is not specifically for Macs so thermal D, I'll put a link to that in the show notes, I don't know about that specifically

but what I do know has worked and it's a little hokey and it does require that you have a little OS X install on the machine, an itsy-bitsy OS X install, which I actually do recommend anyways, because it's the only way you can do important UEFI and other firmware updates that would help protect you against things like Thunderstrike. So I recommend you do keep a little OS X on there, despite the hard drive space that comes at a premium on those Mac SSDs. the hard drive space that comes at a premium on those Mac SSDs. If you boot into OS X before you boot into Linux, and don't shut off, but just reboot.

Don't power the machine off, but just reboot. Boot into OS X first and install an app called SMC Fan Controller. Now, SMC Fan Controller has been around for a really, really long time. And what it does is it controls statically the fans under OS X. So you can go in there, and what you can do is build different fan controller profiles, medium, high sound, low sound, and if you're going to be gaming, you would set it to the higher profile. If you're not going to be gaming, you would set it to the lower profile. And if you're going to be watching videos, maybe you set it to a medium profile, and then you boot into Linux.

Now, it's not ideal, but what it does is it sets a new baseline for the fan RPMs. So you could say, instead of having them spin at 800 RPM, you could have a baseline of 15 or 2000 RPM, with the max about 6000s, where you actually start to hear them. So you could go in and say, set your baseline level RPMs at 1000 RPMs or 2000 RPMs. It's slightly louder than it would be under OS X, just slightly, but it can run much longer that way before it has to kick into the crazy thermal management. This is a really hokey workaround. There's got to be a better way to do this, but if you do have a mini OS X installed, that's one way to do it. Nate says, there's MacFan CTLD. I use it with Ubuntu GNOME and never have any problems, so check out MacFan CTLD.

That could be another one. Very nice. Yeah. That's really cool. Thank you, check out MacFanCTLD. That could be another one. Very nice. Yeah. That's really cool. Thank you, Nate. MacFanCTLD. I don't have any more MacBooks with Linux on them at the moment. It seems like one of those things, too,

where it's so specific to the different models and versions. Yeah, it does change, right? And then Apple can just get it just right, and then the next version. Then you go buy a MacBook with one port, and it has completely different stuff. So, yeah, that's a rough way to go but i know people like those macbooks we get a lot of emails about it so if somebody has some solid solid links like nate there i would love it if you'd add it to episode 108 over at the subreddit linux action show dot reddit dot com and then

other people could benefit from that as well so linux unplugplugged is live on Tuesdays, 2 p.m. Pacific. You can go to jblive.tv to join us. We have the chat room there. We also have the mumble room info so you can hang out in our virtual lug. If you're not quite sure what 2 p.m. Pacific is, I don't blame you because I realize now I'm going to have to try to figure out time zones as I go across the U.S. And I'm like, oh, crap, what am I going to do?

And then it was pointed out to me, Chris, just go to jupiterbroadcasting.com slash calendar. I, too. Some smart guy already set that up. Yeah, I, too, will be using the calendar on the road trip. I will be feeling your pain, audience, so no judgment. Also, we love feedback, jupiterbroadcasting.com slash contact. Choose unplugged from the dropdown and send in your emails, linuxactual.reddit.com.

Wes, thanks for joining me. My pleasure. Thanks for having me. All right, everybody, see you right back here next Tuesday. All right. Now we vote. JBTitles.com. JBTitles.com. Let me grab this one second. Please do, yes.

There you go. All right, there we go. Hello. Comment on the possibility of unfiltered Colorado high note. Am I going to be in Colorado? I don't think I'm going to be in Colorado. I'm taking US too. I don't think I'll be there.

High note from Colorado. Although, Colorado could happen on the return trip. We're going to break from US too on I don't think I'll be there. High note from Colorado. Although, Colorado could happen on the return trip. We're going to break from US too on the return trip and take in more of an indulgent route home. So it's always possible. Oh, that new Google logo. Oh, look at that. Look at that.

Oh, wee. I kind of missed the serifs, honestly. Really? Backdoors for the Clueless. Do you have a list of planned stops on US2? No, Billy. I'm hoping people want to do meetups and contact me. I need meetups.

If you do meetups, is there a way to do, like, meetup suggestions on meetup.com? I don't know. That'd be interesting. Ah, yeah. What highly window manager should we force Chris to use for a week? I do remember that now that we do this. See, the results were I3 by 54%. So apparently we've discussed this. Yes, I do recall remember that now that we do this. See, the results were I3 by 54%. So apparently we've discussed

this. Yes, I do recall discussing this now. Oh, boy. See, I was... Matt had my back on the anti... He was an anti-Tiler, too. So it was easier for me to avoid having to deal with the tiling issue on the show. However, now that you're here

and you've got tiling preferences, now I've got the mumbarum. Look at this. I3, 80 votes. Dominating. Look at this. Look at this. Out of 148 votes, this is no good.

This is... I think you should wait until after the road trip. That way you don't get too many things going on. That's probably a good point. Or maybe we do it on the road trip. Really? Change everything up. Yeah, just like uphaul everything in my life. Why not?

Backdoors for the Caloos isn't bad. The Fecal Matters of Crick's Last Wow. Insecurity by Design. Backdoor, a complaint. Lilo Bada Boom. Luxury Furry Road. Open Source Backdoors. Hmm.

Smokey and the Penguin. That's not bad either. Man, these are some good ones. JBTitles.com. Whoa, whoa, dude, dude, you're getting shot by a machine gun. Watch out. You're getting shot by a machine gun. You better be careful. Keep the mumble room safe, everyone.

It kind of reminds me of how the original Phil Zimmer in the 90s with PGP encryption, how that was like, you can't export this encryption and stuff like that. And they were fighting for that back then. Yeah. Yeah, I know, right?

Use Windows for a week? I actually wouldn't do that. You have some pride. You're just driving me crazy. The Fecal Matters of Chris Last cannot be our title. I don't think that's a very good title for Linux Unplugged. I don't really think that's accurate. I mean, if that's what the episode was about.

Yeah, that's true. I mean, I could definitely do an episode about that. Trust me. Trust me. I was surprised nobody had any nice parting words in the mumble room to say about Lilo. You know? It's solid. Must really be ready for death, though.

I guess it's just we've all moved on, right? We have all moved on. It is time. And jalapeno ale. Yeah, I do need to do that. You're right. I'm a con. You're right.

So I'm a con. I'm going to have a camera when we're at our meetup. So I should probably get this. I kind of get this figured out. I need to meet up on demand. So basically, I'll just be spawning meetups as I go. So sign up at meetup.com slash Jupiter Broadcasting. Spawning them, Wes.

Spawning them. Coming out everywhere. I'll just wash spawning meetups as I go. So sign up at meetup.com slash jupiterbroadcasting. Spawning them, Wes. Spawning them. Coming out everywhere. I'll just awash in meetups. I don't actually know if that's true or not because US2 has long spots where there's nobody around. We got to like share your location too, like a Where's Chris. Like a beacon. Yeah, exactly. Like a JB Road beacon.

Yeah. Get up at 2 in the morning, check where Chris is. I wonder how I would actually practically do that in a way that would actually be doable. I saw something that used open street maps and you could set it up with your phone. That would be amazing. You could plot where you were going. If there's a way to do that and it doesn't cost a bunch of money. I'll see.

Oh, totes do it. That'd be fun. Lumber room, you see too. Yeah. I'll find out. And then you can follow me as I go. And then if I get stuck on the side of the road, you can alert somebody. Because I might be somewhere there's no cell service.

How is that going to work if it doesn't have cell service? Yeah, I assume there'll be some big hole. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Yeah, car tracker thing. Hmm. Lilo was two loaders ago. That's funny, Rikai.

That's a good way to put it. Yeah, LoJack. Chris lost LoJack.