LINUX Unplugged - Episode 211: Forks Done Right | LUP 211

Episode Date: August 23, 2017

We get fired up about the bigger message behind Ubuntu’s new fork, debate Mozilla’s plans to collect data on Firefox users & come up with solutions for Linux users fleeing from CrashPlan.Plus a geeky project so cool it might consume your life, Google’s clever plans to push ChromeOS into the Enterprise & the one thing Electron should never be used for.

This house is absolutely amazing. How about that smile? I guess screw the rest of August. It's almost time for Halloween. So Humble Bundle has got some pretty good-priced Linux games out. Yeah, I'm surprised this isn't coming out in October. I know. And weren't you just telling me about a sale for a Steam game on Linux?

It's like free, right? Yeah, it's free until tomorrow. You can get, what was it called? Shadow Warrior? Yeah, Shadow Warrior. Yeah, so you have the Humble Spooky Bundle, which is available for 13 days. And then Steam's got the Shadow Warrior game for free right now for Linux users. Actually, I think the best game on the Humble bundle is actually Alien

Isolation. Is that available for Linux? That would be awesome. Yes, it is. Alien Isolation, huh? That sounds cool. Discover the true meaning of fear in Alien Isolation. It's based on the Aliens series. Yeah, and the graphics look interesting. Supposedly, I saw a review that

was saying the story mode of it is fantastic. Yeah, it is fantastic yeah it is it's pretty intense too might be worth a bundle right here I'm going to watch a little bit of the trailer oh it's a Sega game yep I already love it

the graphics look great good sci-fi graphics it's a triple A title oh this looks super creepy Good sci-fi graphics. It's a AAA title. Oh, this looks super creepy. It's about your mother. Oh, I'm getting this. I'm probably going to be playing that on Halloween.

This is Linux Unplugged, episode 211 for August 22nd, 2017. Welcome to Linux Unplugged, your weekly Linux talk show that really wished more cars were running Linux these days. Yes, I mean it. My name is Chris. That's your cue there. Oh, hello. Yeah, hello, beard. Wes is out today, so normally where Wes would jump in, we're going to have the beard jump in. Now that worked out, I actually thought you'd be filling in for me sooner than you'd be filling in for Wes.

You know, I can just fill in for everyone and do the show alone. You probably could. That's some sort of beard superpower. Would you cut yourself to reply to the answers, or would you just work two mics? Like, have you thought that through? I mean, I figured I'd just put the mics together and have this nice stereo warbly sound. Well, while I'm still here, I'm going to try to put together a great show for everybody today. I'm going to give you just a quick update on the solar eclipse trip I went on.

But then there is a rumor that some solar is powered. Maybe actually— I already don't believe it. Okay. Rumors. What about rumors about Ubuntu Budgie Edition shipping on hardware? What about, no? That sounds crazy. Crash plan users got screwed this week.

We'll cover what Linux users can do to move off of there. There is an app based around Electron that, well, it may be a line too far, even for me. Chrome OS is coming for Linux in the enterprise. There's a great way to generate your bash files. Ubuntu is showing every other distribution how it should be done. We've got some interesting conundrums from Firefox and Plex, and then we'll wrap it all up with something that's so amazing. It's probably going to change your life, and it's based on Unreal Engine 4. And it's essentially the Oasis. If you haven't read Ready Player One,

prepare to have your entire life sucked away. You're welcome. We'll tell you more about that. Yes, of course, it runs on Linux. Of course it does. We'll tell you more about that, though, as this here show goes on. But Beardsley! What's up? We must go no further. We must welcome in our virtual lug. Time appropriate greetings, Mumbleroo.

Greetings, Pippa. Hello. Pippa. It is nice to see some of you in there. We have a lore showing today, and I would imagine it's probably because Wes isn't here. Yeah. And everybody's like, screw it, I'm not showing up. Well, usually people show up for the beers Wes brings.

Yeah, well, and they knew he wasn't coming somehow, even before we even knew. Well, he probably meshes them first. Yeah. made before we even knew. Well, he probably meshes them first. Yeah. So, yeah, I just got back hours ago, actually, from going down and seeing the Tote Solar Eclipse 2017 of the Heart in Oregon. And it was pretty great.

Bumped into a listener down there who is a Linux user. Didn't bump into another listener I expected to, but I bumped into somebody that I didn't expect to. And that was great. We chatted a little bit about all the crazy things going on in Linux right before the solar eclipse hit, which was pretty neat. And drove down there in one long, just crazy six-hour, seven-hour-ish. There was a lot of traffic getting down there. And got down there, slept in the car, woke up, and then we had to take care of a few.

There were some challenges that we faced. Took care of all that, bumped into the listener, had a good chat, saw the eclipse, and hightailed it back up here so that way we could do Linux Unplugged this week. So there you go. I'm going to do the whole story on my vlog. Yeah, I was going to say.

I think you can get the full story. I got to edit it all together. There was some pretty good stuff going on. And, of course, I managed to actually end up with a few of my own really amateur shots of the eclipse, so that's pretty cool. And I had the drone up in the sky during the eclipse. And your eyes still work.

As far as I know, although sometimes I think it takes a while for it to set in, so you never know. But having the drone up in the sky during—I wasn't really watching it because I was watching the eclipse, but it really shows you how dark it got down there. That's a crazy progression. Yeah, yeah. We're showing it in the video version, a progressive shot that was taken down from Oregon. It was pretty neat. It was a pretty cool event. It's so impressive in person to see something like that.

Yeah, I'm really glad I made it, and I only got to say hi to a couple of people, but I'm glad that we were able to say hi. So that was, I think our next meetup will be here at the studio again. I think maybe we'll do like an end of summer barbecue soon. We're going to do another one of those. I was thinking too about maybe doing a raffle. I got to look into the details again. I think maybe we'll do like an end of summer barbecue soon. We're going to do another one of those. I was thinking too about maybe doing a raffle.

I got to look into the details around that, but maybe taking some Jupiter broadcasting gear and raffling it off during the next barbecue. So I got a few ideas. So that'll be, we'll have another meetup soon. And then eventually, eventually, so that way I can start prepping for the 2024 eclipse. I'll make trips over to the East Coast. And if I hold up to my promise, I'll eventually make it across the pond too.

I have one question for you, Chris. Were the crowds as crazy as you expected? Yes and no. So getting down out of Washington was a nightmare and it was super packed and I-5 was all screwed up. Once we jumped down Highway 101, which runs along the Pacific Coast, the Pacific Ocean Coast, really it was no big deal. And then we hightailed it out of there.

But for the most part, actually just everybody was cool. Everybody was super, like there was a lot of people and there was zero issue. It's all them hippies going to check out the eclipse. People came from all over.

Behind us were people from Canada, and then in front of us, parked alongside the road, because that's where we ended up, were people from Utah. So people just came from all over to see it. It was pretty neat. People come from all over to run Ubuntu Budgie, too. I've been hearing more and more

about Ubuntu Budgie Edition. So it's Ubuntu, but with the Budgie desktop from Solus. And rumors are percolating that there could be hardware shipping very soon with Ubuntu Budgie Edition pre-installed on it. That's a rumor that's circulating around today. This is a post over at OMG Ubuntu. And it's based on hints that were dropped by Ubuntu Budgie's social media page,

which I noticed that none of them are in the room for today. Some of them are often in the room, but nobody's there today from here. So if you take the image that they tweeted out. Right, right. They did two context-free images on their Twitter feed. They just posted like an iMac-looking rig and a ultra-thin laptop-looking rig with the lid closed.

So you take those images and you do a reverse image search, and you know what you end up with? Clevo! Yeah, you end up with Clevo, which is the same hardware ODM that Entraware and System76 use and Nimbusoft and others use. And the thing I say with the clevo is

it's like uh it's like it's like getting a nice mid-size sedan or something's like when you get a when you get a mid-level car it's very reliable like a like a camry or like a uh you know an accord which i've i've owned um those are great cars but they're not like uh they're definitely not tesla teslas and they're definitely not bmwi series you know they're, but they're definitely not Tesla's and they're definitely not BMW i-Series. They're not crazy performance. Right, and they're not super broken down cars either. Sometimes, depending on how the ODM chooses to tweak it, though, they can really put together something that's very, very compelling. And so if they could get the balance right, you might have something here.

Now, there's two laptops, it looks like, from Clevo that are two different rigs, because one was an iMac. One's the Bologna laptop, and the other is the Neptune All-in-One. And Nimbusoft, which is a company out of the UK that resells Clevos, already actually sells both of these devices with Ubuntu Mate, Kubuntu on it. So you could see them pretty easily adding Ubuntu Budgie for Ubuntu Budgie users who want to grab that, which could be great for people that are looking for something that's still GTK heavy as Canonical moves away from Unity, but they still want something with an Ubuntu base. Could be good timing.

I haven't heard anything from Nimbo Soft in the past. I've never reviewed any of their equipment, and I'm not very familiar with the company. I've never heard anybody in the audience has ever bought from them. But they apparently are also working on their own distribution called Eloquent OS, because apparently every hardware OEM, except for the ones like Dell and HP and IBM. Except for the ones that are shipping lots of product. Yeah, except for the one. Yeah, there's an OEM program, and then there's roll your own distribution, apparently.

And to hell with even bothering being a flavor anymore. Screw end users. Speaking of screwing end users, CrashPlan is doing just that and shutting down its consumer backup service. And I'm bringing this up on this show because CrashPlan is something I've mentioned as a very cost-effective, unlimited, or close-to-it backup solution for Linux users. And one of the things I loved about CrashPlan is, A, they actually had a client that worked on Linux, and B, they had command line integration, and C, you could ship them a disk. You could just ship them a 4 terabyte spinning Rust

to seed your backup and then just backup the updates and differentials, which was huge for me back in the day. But unfortunately, of course, anything too good eventually has to go away. Have you experimented much with online backup? You just use like Google Drive or what do you, because I know you recently suffered some pretty serious data loss. Like, have you thought a lot about this? Yeah, I've mostly been leaning towards actually trying to use TarSnap.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's definitely one of my recommendations because uh they recently just came out with the version 1.0 of the tar snap gui apparently oh really which makes it a lot easier i imagine anybody in the mumble room using crash plan now or using a competitor to it that they would they would give a recommendation to because i know i was using crash plan oh really yeah but i was also i had i actually had like people who were friends and i had a couple clients that were using crash plan so that's going to suck yeah i'm definitely in that situation some of my former clients are using using crash

plan and definitely like my mom's on crash plan like i got a few family members on it too because it was so economical which is probably why it's going away like i was using it because like well i was also some setups i was using it because it was free yeah, which is probably why it's going away. Like I was using it because like, well, I was also, some setups I was using it because it was free. Yeah. Because you can do it where you can, you know,

free do an FTP over SFTP over to multiple networks. I love that feature. You have your own computers. It was like, it was fantastic. But then like, I would still pay for the, one of the premiums just because, you know,

like, you know, it was so useful, but I wasn't going to like deploy the premiums just because, you know, it was so useful. But I wasn't going to, like, deploy it everywhere. But now, you know, drawing board. Man. Yeah, most of the alternatives are really expensive, too. Yeah. So I've been looking.

Backblaze is very competitive. But they don't and have no interest in making a Linux client, which really pisses me off because it's not even a matter of, it's not even a matter of, well, we can't be bothered to even write a command line interface, which would obviously be simple, which there is a Python way to do this. But anyways, let me go back to the main point. They've been asked about it numerous times, and they're very upfront about it. You can ask them. We asked them today on Twitter. And they'll just say, yeah, it's not really in our business priorities right now.

Nothing against Linux, just not really our business priority. But they do have this B2 cloud storage system. And I don't, again, never, I'm not personally a customer of this, although Angela does use them now after CrashPlan. But B2 is like a cloud storage service. And there's going to be a cost associated with that. So keep this in mind. But there's a tool you can use on Linux that works with B2 storage. It works with Amazon Drive, obviously S3, Dropbox, Google Cloud Storage, Local Disk, Microsoft OneDrive. It also will just do SSH and SFTP. It'll do a Yandex disk, which is kind of neat. It's called Rclone.

It'll do a Yandex disk, which is kind of neat. It's called Rclone. And Rclone is sort of like rsync, but it allows you to sync to these cloud storage services that I just mentioned, including Backblaze's B2. This might be something you could look into. Rclone might be a good way to move the data around to a new service as well. So rclone.org is where you find that.

We've talked about it in the past, rsync for cloud storage. And if you want to know specifically about the Backblaze integration, So rclone.org is where you find that. We've talked about it in the past, rsync for cloud storage. And if you want to know specifically about the Backblaze integration, it's rclone.org slash b2. rclone also apparently has support for Amazon Cloud Drive. Or Google Drive, you could do that as well, if you're okay with that or you want to encrypt your data, or Dropbox if you're already paying that monster.

Does it have full image cloning, is it just like incremental cloning? You know, it's more like, I think it's more file system based. So I don't think it's like doing like block images or anything like that. It has, because it's more like rsync than it is like a block backup or something. And it does support like some of the same syntax as rsync too, like the commands to like preserve timestamps and like those kinds of things, some of the same syntaxes as rsync2, like the commands to preserve timestamps and those kinds of things. Some of those same flags, like the archive flag and stuff, are the same. The other thing that I find kind of useful about it is it does support syncing one data set to multiple cloud storages, which is kind of a neat feature if you think about it.

So you could spread out your risk. Say you have a locally encrypted set of data or something to that degree, and then you could blast a copy of it on Dropbox, Amazon S3, and Google Cloud. Now, would I really want to do that? Generally, no. However, there's something that I feel like we as a society at whole have not really wrapped our brains around, and that is the ephemeral nature of digital media, specifically our pictures. And one of the things that stands out for me as a very strong memory from childhood is going through family photo albums and seeing pictures of grandma and grandpa getting married and how young they looked and seeing pictures of my mom and dad as kids and how they kind of looked like me and my cousins and my uncles and my aunts.

These are pretty clear memories I have of going through these old photo albums, and those do not exist anymore for most people that are shooting digitally. Some people print it out, but for most of us, they don't. And then you move between computers and you move between phones, and all of a sudden, you don't have the video of the marriage or whatever it might be that you know the kid's birthday that was super important and it's just gone it's just it's just gone forever and there's there's nothing for your kids to flip through down the road or your grandparents to flip through down the road because there's no physical object to represent it and there's no solution to this problem there's nothing that you can upgrade.

You can update and upload all day long to Dropbox and Google Drive and S3. And there's no way your kids are going to download that or your ancestors are going to download that and look at it later on. But at least it is preserving it in a way that you could manage it and you can get access to it at some point. And so spreading that out and the fact that this supports FTP, SFTP, the local file system, so you could do an NFS mount if you wanted to, or it supports multiple cloud storages, and it'll do hashes to make sure everything goes up there, everything's got good integrity. It does partial syncs if your upload gets canceled. So if you've got to move off of CrashPlan, Rclone could be a solution for you. There's also, kind of nice for restorations, especially for basic end users,

is there's an optional fuse mount called Rclone Mount, and as you'd expect, that makes it kind of easy for regular people to browse through their backup, and you could just have this as an icon on the side of their file manager that they click on, kicks off fuse in the background, it does a mount, and of course, you just have to have Rclone installed to do that. And you could also manager that they click on, kicks off Fuse in the background, it does a mount, and of course, you just have to have Rclone installed to do that. And you could also even use WinFCP, and there is actually a proxy module available for Windows which uses a combination of Rclone and CGGoFuse, I can't remember what it's called because

I have never needed to use it. But there's actually even a way to mount Rclone backups on Windows desktops, which could be great for clients or people that you're setting up in an office that need access to that, but you're backing it from a Linux file server. That's a situation I've been in where I've used a backup system on Linux for Linux file servers, and then guess who needs to restore the data? Some user on Windows that has a solution for that. So links to all of that crap in the show notes.

So I was doing a bit of research while you were talking. Yeah. Apparently, duplicity and by extension, by extension, deja dupe, since the front end to it

can directly sync or directly back up to Amazon Cloud Drive. I am so glad you brought up duplicity because that's a great one. On top of that, there is an asynchronous upload flag that

will encrypt as it uploads. So you can encrypt your backups and not have to worry about Amazon looking into your backups. There's also sort of name collision, but there's also Duplicati, which is backup software for Mac, Windows, and Linux they say, that

does local encryption and then backs up to probably using Rclone on the back end, all the same cloud services that Rclone supports. But this gives you a big old stinking web GUI for it, which makes it nice and easy for people to manage. So it might be something worth looking at too. That's Duplicati and Duplicity. Duplicity is like a GTK-based app that you run on Linux desktop. Well, no.

Duplicity is the command line app. DejaDup is the GTK app. Oh, right, right. Thank you. So DejaDup is the GTK front end. Duplicati is a web-based project around Rclone. That's a lot of things we just dropped at you. I know that's all confusing

because all the names sort of collide. So here's what I'm doing right now is I'm putting links to all of this stuff in the show notes, jupiterbroadcasting.com. Go to Linux Unplugged 211s and you'll see the big section on our clone there

that lists all of the cloud services that it features. Yeah, DejaDup has been an app pick before too. If you want good advice for data stuff in general, the Data Hoarder subreddit is a great place to go.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I haven't been there in forever. Also, anybody in the Mom Room, if you have any other backup apps or tips. Plus, it has some really nice storage porn. Yeah, it is a great subreddit to hang out in. If you're ever in the mood to research and set up a new NAS.

Yeah, some of the most chill, informative guys on Reddit. All right, I think I got links to everything now. Duplicity, DejaDuke. DejaDuke is also great because it's really easy to use yeah and it's it's like even like you know for basic end users they can pick it up and it has a fun name

look at that live show note editing right here on the show proud of us so those of you that are getting screwed up by crash plan hopefully some of these will help out I feel really bad about that because I've recommended crash plan in the past. I wonder if DejaDub can upload to Tarsnap. I've got to play around. If Tarsnap has a GUI,

I've got to play around with that too. That's a slam dunk. It apparently just hit 1.0 this past week. That's worth it. That is a slam dunk, I think. Also, feel free to tweet us or leave a comment wherever you're watching this to let us know how you're doing your off-site backups on Linux. I am more particularly interested in off-site backups.

Local backup is good, too, but off-site is really sort of the sweet spot. And however you do it, let us know. Leave a comment where you watch this or go over to jupyterbroadcasting.com slash contact or tweet me at ChrisLAS. Also got the subreddit, linuxunplugged.reddit.com. Let's talk about mobile. This is my mobile service provider. It's also Rikai's mobile service provider,

and it's ting, linux.ting.com. It's just a better way to do mobile. There's no contracts, no nationwide coverage. You just pay for what you use. This is so nice, especially when new phones are getting released. You don't have to sit here and try to do the crazy, complicated, am I eligible for an upgrade?

Do I have to go into a quote-unquote agreement if I do that? It's just so straightforward, especially with some of the leasing programs that the iPhone has, or if you want to go grab a used phone off of Gazelle when the new phones come out for a crazy great price, or eBay, this is the

perfect time to bring it over to Ting. You can just add a SIM. You just go get the SIM card from their store, and if you go to Linux.Ting.com, they'll give you $25 to play with, either off a device or in service credits. And if you get that SIM card for $9, they'll probably just give you, I think they just attribute it all in service credits. That first month you bring that phone over will probably be paid for. It's nice.

You want to know a secret, Chris? Sometimes they even cut the price of those SIMs. Yeah, they do. Yeah. And sometimes they have like 50%. Sometimes they have them on sale on Amazon, too. Yeah. I will say the only time I've ever had to contact Ting was to get my unlocked phone on Ting, and it only took like five minutes. I feel like on other carriers it doesn't take nearly as—

You know what will really sell you on Ting? You can do the whole bring your device process online through their website, and it's done in minutes, and you never even have to talk to it. It's so well done. You start using different aspects of Ting, and you just immediately realize it's how every carrier should do it. It's how they would have to do it in the U.S. today to be competitive if the industry was starting over. The only reason I even needed to call them is because the other carriers screwed it up. Yeah. Yeah.

You can also get some great, like Rika was just mentioning, when they bring things up on sale you can get that kind of information on their Twitter account. They also have Ting Tips. Look at this. Look at that. They got Ting Tips on there. I didn't know they had Ting Tips. That was pretty hip Ting music too. I like that.

So they got tips and stuff on their Twitter page, at TingFTW on Twitter where you can find out about giveaways, sales, like on the SIM cards and whatnot. It's no contract, no early termination fees. You only pay for what you use. They don't play that crazy OEM game where they want to flash a certain experience on your phone so they hold back updates. If you get a device that gets updates from Google or gets updates from Motorola, they don't get in the way. They just ship it.

It still blows my mind to have an internet-savvy phone company. Yeah. It is really nice. It's finally the way it should be. Linux.ting.com. And thanks to everybody who supports the show by visiting that site and checking out Ting and checking out their blog and signing up. Linux.ting.com.

Now, here's something you never thought Electron would be used for. And this is a line that's just even too far for me. I can't even with this, guys. A file manager built using Electron. I love it. Check it out. It's Jump FM, Jump File Manager. And it's described as a dual-pane file manager, cross-platform Qt-based, and it has a terminal tool built in that lets you do certain things. In fact, it takes its key influences from the LS command, it says. It's a keyboard-driven file manager.

And yeah, as you might expect, I have it loaded right here. And I've been trying it out. And I'll tell you one thing, its main gimmick is pretty cool. If you type the J key, it brings up the jump menu. Jump FM is the name.

And it shows you all your favorite directories, and you can just bam right through them super quick. Bam! It also, I think, has a flat file mode, where it will show you all the files in the directory you're in, as well as all the subdirectories. Okay, let's see here. So, it's got a whole series

of plugins, too. The configuration's done through a series of text files and whatnot, though. That's kind of a turnoff. Well, it's early. Yeah, it is early. It is early. So I've been running this and Nautilus all day. I've been browsing files on both of them. So I thought we'd just check in and do a little memory usage. So how much does an Electron file manager take? Now, I'm not normally this guy. I just had a whole soapbox on last week's Coder Radio about how I think Linux users are too hard on Electron apps. But I got to do this.

We have to go here. So sorting by memory usage. The only thing on my system that's taking more memory is definitely Chrome. Chrome's taking a lot more memory. Jeez, look at Chrome. That is really something. Well, it's isolating every process. So Jump FM, if you look at just the Jump FM main process,

and it has a couple of processes, but if you look at just the main process right now, this is really remarkable, actually. This is not the results I had earlier. Jump FM is currently consuming 27.9 megabytes of RAM. And Nautilus is currently consuming 23.4. So Nautilus is only a few megabytes lower. It's 23 megabytes for Nautilus, 27 megabytes for Jump FM.

So if you go back into Jump FM, Chris, and pick a folder and you hit R, it'll do the flat mode. Oh, okay. One more thing on the memory usage, though. So Jump FM's main thread, 27.9 megs, so essentially 28 megabytes but then there's also um an app image thread that gets launched when i mount it via app image that takes up five megabytes of ram there's also a a dedicated thread for the gpu with no sandbox

mode turned on dual gpu turned off and driver bug workarounds enabled and certain GL extensions disabled, that thread is taking an astonishing 62 megabytes of RAM, taking more RAM than the main file manager thread. And then there is a tertiary thread besides the main thread that is taking 5.8 megabytes of RAM that is just apparently some sort of like no sandbox thing. Anyways, so that is quite a bit of memory usage. But if I go into flat mode here, that is kind of great, actually. Yeah, it shows you all the files in the directory

and in all the subdirectories. Wow, that's a lot of files. That's a lot of crash files. And it's really quick, too. It is quick. I'll give it that. It is quick. Once it's loaded, like all Electron apps,

it loads a little awkwardly for a moment. But then once it's loaded, it is very quick. And then it's got other crazy stuff like filtering, where you can hit F and just type in part of a file name, and it will find the file for you. All right, so let's do jump. Let's see if I spell it right. Jump.

I don't know. You might be searching the directory you're in. I just feel like this is a line too far for me, dude. Where do we stop building Electron apps at? And for coders, if you hit Ctrl-G on a file, it'll instantly make a gist. Huh. Okay. So here was my thought on this.

There is some value to just maybe Ctrl-G. Yeah. That's pretty great, actually. It's creating a gist right now. That's pretty great. There is some... I guess if I'm stuck on Mac, Windows, and Linux, yeah, there's my gist. Of course, I did it out of an image file, so of course it's ass, but it did it.

It did it. If I'm stuck on Mac or Windows, but my main OS is Linux, maybe then I would want to have a file manager that's cross-platform like this, but come on, be real with me, dude. Would you ever use this? Yeah, why not? Well, Explorer sucks. Maybe that's why. Nautilus sucks too yeah but not as bad as i mean like i i don't know like just look at them side by side so here is jump fm and uh here let me bring up

nautilus nautilus looks nautilus looks so much better i disagree i hate how nautilus looks this doesn't this looks like a Flash application on my desktop. It looks like it's weird. Like it doesn't follow my desktop convention at all. Yeah, but that's just a problem with the implementation of the app. You can make Electron apps follow your desktop. Yeah, I don't know. To me, it seems like Nautilus is way better looking. It also doesn't help that you're running running a cute app in a gdk

environment yeah have you i mean i'm i just tried uh jump inside of plasma and it's um it looks like yeah so what are your what are your impressions i mean it looks uh interesting as far as like the speed of its like searching thing the find tool is not that useful it seems so far the flat thing is cool uh although it's not as as effective as you assume because it it flattens some of the stuff and shows you some files but also skips other files like if i just flatten this it should be showing me like files that are in the main folder but it's skipping that and showing other folders, so that's weird. But overall, I mean, it's interesting,

although 200 megs total on my system is not, you know, it's not acceptable for a file manager. I am so tired of the whole memory usage argument. But 200 megs for a file manager? memory usage argument. But 200 megs for a file manager? We're in a world where 32 gigabyte PCs are common.

But it's 32 gigabytes for a file manager that is not even that good. I'm looking at my folder right now. At this point, I'm just talking about the whole memory usage argument in general, not specifically this app okay um i agree with the argument in general like there are some electron apps that manage it very well and even do hibernation in certain cases and stuff so those

are fine it's just ones that recognize that electron needs to be managed i'm okay with those things like this where the features it's offering are not even implemented very well like if you go to the flat mode it looks cool but well yeah but i have stuff in the home folder i'm in the home folder just to see what happens if it like falls finds every file it it finds like random files in some folders and it skips the rest i feel like if we if we crapped on every project that didn't work on its on one of its earlier releases then we'd have a lot less projects i guess where i go with this my where i go with it is um is there a line is there a line where you say these things should be native

applications on a platform like like for a house like you have to have a foundation for your house you could build the house materials out of anything but the house has to be a solid foundation. Yeah. I mean, like, I don't think that native really matters anymore. Like, look at Discord. It's not native. You got to have something to launch the web browser. Well, yeah.

Something's got to be. I mean, native is not that necessary, sure. And Discord is a good example. But it is still important. In a file manager, native is important. And just because it's going to be faster. Because this is fast, but it's also incredibly inaccurate. If you do the flat system, it shows you these files and it's cool.

But it's skipping files that are in the current file folder i'm in and going to other folders it's like it's not reliable in any way whatsoever for me it's not fast enough to be honest i mean it's fast once it's running but it does that thing with some electron apps do where the frame of the application comes up and then that the inside of the application flashes white and then the UI elements render in sort of like how a web page loads actually and I when I want to just open up my file manager super quick like I've already had to do the mental gymnastics of is this

something I do on the terminal with LS or is this something I bother firing at my file manager so I've already made that decision tree which already takes time and then I go through that decision tree and I end up with this app that's taking me I don't know, noticeably longer than my native app to load. The thing is, you guys are making arguments for problems that can be

solved by better code. Would you... Yeah, I suppose. They could do a TSR in the background and leave it always running to launch faster, I suppose. Well, no, you can just optimize the code so it launches quicker. I don't really know any Electron app that launches as quick as a native application.

Once it's up and running, I agree. You can have it pretty competitive, but launch time seems particularly important for a file manager. Like your terminal, too. That also seems like something you want to launch really fast. I'm playing around.

Discord takes forever and just has little splash messages like these weird, like the rabbits are loading or something. That's not a bad way to go. Like a splash message isn't a bad way to go. At least then you know it's working. I think Discord takes long

because it's loading all the messages from the server and stuff. Yeah, and it's checking for updates and every time too. I would say that this Jump FM is interesting, but it doesn't do what it claims to do. Like if it didn't claim these things and say these things were good, that's one thing. But it's claiming like the flat system doesn't do what it claims to do. Like if it didn't claim these things and say these things were good, that's one thing. But it's claiming like the flat system doesn't work. The searching isn't useful.

It's not finding any things. I'm like searching for files that I know are in like one folder, like lower. And it's not finding that at all. Have you turned on the syntax highlighting the quote unquote where where it does different color coding for different file types? No. I think that's useful. That's actually kind of nice. Especially when you're working on a website.

They have a screenshot here. I need to skim to the greens. Yeah, you've got your index.html, which is always green. Your JSON files are always red. Your CSS is always gray. That's interesting, but if it doesn't do the rest of the stuff what's the point yeah like there's stuff in there i like actually i think their jump menu is pretty great i would like every freaking file manager to do this jump menu thing

yeah i'm not saying the app is great as it is i'm saying it has potential yeah i agree with you the jump menu is pretty cool yeah like the... It reminds me of Sublime Text. Yeah, exactly. It's just like the Sublime or GNOME do essentially or whatever. But the other thing is being able to upload a gist and files that are displayed depending on their git status. The jump menu and the git integration is really shit that every important Linux file manager should be shipping already, if you think about it. really shit that every important Linux file manager should be shipping already, if you think about it. Because we keep talking about on this show and other shows, and obviously Dell and other companies, System76 keep talking about focusing on users that are creating software, people like the Sputnik program, for example, is going really after the web developer sysadmin

market that is using Linux on production and using Linux on the Sputnik laptops. market that is using Linux on production and using Linux on the Sputnik laptops. And that focus, they have seen 100% year-over-year growth by focusing on that niche within a niche of Linux users. They realized they had to hyper-focus at a certain niche of Linux users, which is incredible if you think about it, because Linux is already such a niche. And these users, these are kinds of features that they want. And I feel like our, this is just a short rant, but I feel like our projects, like GNOME,

are so focused on bringing in the new user that it takes a damn memory-eating monster to come along and actually ship something that's new and innovative. We haven't had anything interesting happen in our file managers in years. In fact, on the GNOME side, features have literally just gotten removed year after year. Some have finally been re-added recently. And this kind of stuff, meanwhile, has just been sitting out there. This should be, this GNOME file should have been shipping this a year ago.

Dolphin should be doing this already. Like, this needs to already be happening. And this is kind of sad you have to go get it from an Electron app. Dolphin does have, other than the syntax thing, Dolphin has everything else like the Git integration and stuff. Oh, I was specifically talking about Git and Jump and the Jump thing. So if it's got that, then I'd

take it back for Dolphin, because that's the thing I really think. The Jump menu, does Dolphin do that? I don't think so, no. So that would be great. The Git stuff is good, too. That's awesome. So I've got to play with that. Dolphin do that? I don't think so, no. So that would be great. It does have the Git thing. The Git stuff is good, too. That's awesome. So I've got to play with that. Dolphin just feels terrible to use.

Is it like the services KIO slave stuff, or is it like legit? Because the thing about this is you can actually sort the files in your file browser based on their Git status. That's a whole other level. I think it's KIO stuff. Yeah. Even having something is nice, though. And then, of course, it's got plugins and filtering and stuff like that. There are filterings.

There's the filter in the search bar and stuff like that that does something, but it's not automatically loading stuff like the jump thing is doing. The jump thing, I think, is particularly great. I think the Git stuff is particularly great. The plugin stuff, I don't really know if I need that in my file manager. Filtering stuff, yeah.

You can basically do that. I don't know, if I need that in my file manager. Filtering stuff, yeah, you can basically do that. I don't know, Chris. You've got plenty of plugins in G-Edit. Yeah. You know, if it let Google finally release a Google Drive client for Linux, maybe then it would be worth it. There's Google Drive support for Dolphin. It'd probably be

pretty easy to implement in Jump FM. Oh, gosh. Nice web extension. Yeah, really. Yeah, no kidding. Anyways, it's an interesting thing to play around with if you want to play, A, with an app image, because that's what it is, and B, with a file manager that's actually trying to do something different for the first time in a few years.

So you could check that out. I definitely like the thought of being able to just take all of my apps with me on whatever platform I'm on. Yeah, I completely agree. In fact, it's one of the things that I've said for a long time is a great way to convert people to Linux and have a completely portable workflow. People put people on LibreOffice, Firefox, and now Jump FM, and they're ready to go.

You put them on Windows and let them run that for six months and move over to Linux, use the same apps. Nothing changes. And it's legitimately the smoothest way to move people over to linux but they're not going to need to anymore that's going to come to an end because google is launching chrome enterprise subscription service for chrome os essentially signaling to the entire world that okay we're ready for chrome os to take over in the enterprise they've experimented with this a little bit actually in the past with Chromebooks for Work was the program. But this is a totally different beast. First of all, it's $50 per device per year, which for a business is just an unbelievably low price. They could have charged legitimately $50 per month,

and businesses would have paid this. Chrome OS as a service. Yeah, and with that, you get a number of nice capabilities. They have a little chart here. Holy crap. Can I zoom in on this? Because this is quite the chart. So additional things that you get,

above and beyond stock Chrome OS with Chrome Enterprise, and this isn't the browser. This is the OS. They just call it Chrome Enterprise. They dropped the OS for whatever reason. You get managed Google Play beta support for the apps that can be installed on Chrome OS.

You can manage the browser better that's on Chrome OS. You get full-fledged remote printer management support. But this is the big one that they're really marketing right here. Full-fledged Microsoft Active Directory integration, including single sign-on with their Google accounts and everything, all authenticated via Active Directory. You also get kiosk mode and public mode that automatically delete. You get managed network and proxies that you can remote push to the devices,

which I thought you could do with regular Chrome, but they say Chrome Enterprise. You get theft prevention, wherever the hell that is. And, of course, of course, 24-7 enterprise support for $50 a year per device. All at a much cheaper price than Windows licenses. Much, much, much, much cheaper. And the hardware is cheaper. It's more interchangeable. There's this thing that has happened many times, and I bet a lot of you that are in

IT know this story. There is a thing about the very high levels of a company. Every now and then, you get one of these employees, man or women, who are high enough in the company where what they do is so damn important that any disruption is immediately addressed, even if it means they go through computers at least once a year. I had this client, yeah, every six months, it was his computer. It was, we finally got to the point, I think I talked about this in one of our shows, where we just built this monster maniac system. When SSDs were still really expensive and Xeon processors put this thing in a raid, started doing image snapshot backups every single night, just went all out. And he burned through that system. He just burned through that system.

The thing for him was in a day, in a day he's, he's dealing, he's, he's working with five, $6 million deals a day, maybe more. So, uh, a $7,000 monster machine was no big deal to him.

Yeah. And there were other employees who, who would just sort of get some of his hand-me-downs. It would still work. It was all sort of filtered down. But these things, these things are so cheap to replace that your employees can destroy them. They can lose them. They can lose them.

You can wipe them. You can, it's just, it's such a, it's such a enticing business proposition, especially when you look at their other cloud services that this ties in with. Because when you start integrating Microsoft Active Directory with single sign-on to the Google cloud services, you get the Google app suite with this thing. You get Chrome OS. You get Cloud Storage. You can authenticate and manage the permissions via Active Directory. This is that final piece that clicks Chrome OS into this

really ideal position for businesses. And then, for some really stupid reason, they're only charging $50 a year. Like I'm saying, people will pay $50 a month for this. Yeah. Well, it's a good way to lock them in for all the other services.

You'll also be able to have a managed enterprise app store for just your users. It's something that's in beta right now, but it's going to use Chrome OS's new ability to run Android apps, and you'll be able to give them like a branded Play Store page that's the only section of the Play Store they can access that has, like, all of your company apps on it. That is, Google is working their ass off to compete with Microsoft. This is, I mean, I sort of set this up as Linux is a little screwed. Like, you know, all these companies that are running Linux are just going to go with this instead, maybe, but I don't really think that's the case.

I think people that are going to run Linux on the desktop need a more powerful operating system to begin with, but who this really is going to screw over is Microsoft. This is because this is not only eating away at their OEM's hardware sales, it's eating away at the whole office lock-in thing, because this also comes with all these great Google

Cloud services. They're going for it, dude. Google's going for it. They're really going for it with this. And good on them, I suppose. Good on them. It does seem like a typical Google thing. You just have this product that sits there and is a sleeper

for like half a decade or more, and then all of a sudden it just clicks into place. Yeah, I suppose. That sounds like how, like, Microsoft used to do things. Google, more and more, to me, feels like the new Microsoft. That was a Microsoft move for a long time. And this whole ecosystem lock-in strategy

is a Microsoft one. Google's just doing it with cloud services. Microsoft did it with file formats. It's just the 90s all over again, everybody. Hey, speaking of the 90s, let's make your Bash prompt even cooler. So your Bash RC is a handy little place you can go

to make your prompt look like badass and stuff, like from the movies and whatnot. And so this is, I forgot who passed this along to me, so apologies, but this is easyprompt.net. And I think it came from our Discord. Yeah. Yeah, I think it was like in the content channel in our Discord. So thank you to whoever

did this, because this is so fun. It lets you pick the elements that you want to show up in your prompt. So say you want maybe like your host name to be in your command prompt, your shell version, the current directory you're in, or the whole path is actually my favorite one. The shell release, or date and time information.

Isn't that cool? What you get here is a web page, and you pick these blocks that you want. So you have your basic elements. So I like to put in username. I also like to put in the current path of the directory. And why not also have some status elements in there? You could have things like get status, or you could have time. You could have time or extra characters in there. Maybe you like to have a few extra ASCII characters in there to make it look badass. I totally understand.

What's great about this is as you click these different things, you can move them around in this web interface and it gives you a real-time preview output of what your prompt is going to look like. Then in a fourth box, just four boxes, in the fourth box, it gives you the code that you copy pasta into your bash rc file to make your command prompt look like that. How cool is that?

So this is, and I was messing around with this. I was just deleting stuff and adding new stuff and putting the full DNS name in there, all that kind of stuff. Shell version, it's really neat. And you can add spaces in there, all that kind of stuff. Shell version. It's really neat. And you can add spaces in there if you want it to look right. And you can mess with all that kind of stuff.

So it was Code Chris on Discord. Thank you, WW. Coder Chris. Coder Chris. Thank you, WW. Thank you to Coder Chris. And thank you to WW for pointing it out. So it's easyprompt.net if you want to play around with that and make your RC all cool.

If you want something a bit more advanced, more crazy, there's something called Powerline Shell. Oh, yeah. That's really intense. We've got to have talked

about that, right? Maybe, but it's really damn awesome. Okay, so in fact, I think it's installed by default in Solus. Really? Yeah, yeah,

because, you know, Ike knows what's up. I don't know if it's turned on by default, but I know it's in there. Yeah, so PowerShell gives you... So if you've ever seen screenshots of people's computers that have the terminal up, and then they have in the terminal on the command prompt,

they have the directory path and these cool, almost capsule-looking... How would you describe that? I don't know. It's kind of like a graphical representation in your command line. Yeah, it's neat. It's neat looking. And that's amongst other things that it does. You can, yeah, that's really cool.

Powerline shell is also a cool way to make your terminal. So we turned it into like a cool thing to hack the terminal. Yeah, I actually had it on my mind because somebody I know from IRC just rewrote it in Go. And it's actually way, way faster. Oh, man. What? Powerline, Chad? Yeah.

Is it available for Linux in Go? Yeah. Where do I? Yeah. So it's navigation trees, what some people in the chat room call it. Status bar. You know, if that's available for Linux, that'd be pretty cool. Yeah.

It's github.com slash justgen slash powerline-go. Powerline-go. Of course, of course. You know what? Okay, now wake me. You know what? I'm going to wait. You know why?

Because just wake me up when the Rust port comes. That's when I'll... DigitalOcean.com. Go over to DigitalOcean.com, create an account, and use our promo code of absolute power and performance. That's D-O-Unplugged. You create your account, then you apply D-O-Unplugged, one word, and you get a $10 credit.

Now, keep that in mind because DigitalOcean's pricing is amazing. I love their three cents an hour machine. It's very fast. It's a great way to try out a project, mess around with something, and then totally economical to leave in production. You can get started in less than 55 seconds. You'll be logged in and ready to go. They got SSDs for all the different types of systems you might want,

from the really high-end CPU systems and the rigs with lots of memory, all the way down to the $5 a month systems. They're all SSD. And the hypervisors have super fast 40 gigabit connections coming in. Of course, they run Linux and KVM for the virtualizer. And then DigitalOcean has built an API that is really nice.

Super smooth and simple. We work with it all the time. In fact, I think all of their tools use it as well. And because of that, there's lots of open source projects available using it. You can just install them on your phone or your Linux desktop. There's some that work right in your tray that you can manage your droplets. They have block storage to make it quick and

easy to attach lots of more storage up to 16 terabytes to a droplet. Pre-built open source apps so you can manage your droplets. They have block storage that make it quick and easy to attach lots of more storage, up to 16 terabytes to a droplet. Pre-built open source apps that you can monitor or you can deploy really quick. And monitoring. I do like that monitoring too. We use it mostly on and off.

See, the thing about the monitoring that's really nice is how do you know how powerful of a droplet do you need? How do you know? You monitor it. Yeah, you monitor it. And it's easy to expand.

So go with the $5 a month and see if it works for your workload. A lot of people like to just use it for something like a WordPress site or an email server. I don't recommend running your own email server, but you definitely can. And you don't need more than the $5 a month droplet to do that. I've expanded a couple of droplets. And you don't need more than the $5 a month droplet to do that. I've expanded a couple of droplets. All you have to do is basically just go into where it asks you how you want to expand it.

You change the things, and then you just reboot it, and it's got new stuff. So just try it that way. So whatever you're doing, like a NextCloud system, this is a great example of that. I've done this with my NextCloud instance because we uploaded a bunch of pictures. It grew. I'm like, I think I want to keep that stuff on there, so I'll just add more storage. And it's so economical. It's seamless, too. Like, you don't have to go and, like, edit config files.

No, I know. It's DigitalOcean, dude. DigitalOcean. DigitalOcean.com. Just use our promo code DL1Plugged. DL1Plugged. It's one word. You apply it to your account after you sign up.

DigitalOcean.com. So this week I got some things to say about Ubuntu. And we have sort of like a low summer turnout. I think as summer wraps up, I'm going to be glad in some ways because I think we'll have more people show up in the Mumble room. Either that or everybody wants us to switch to Discord. That could be the subliminal message they're giving us. By not showing up in Mumble, maybe they're saying,

switch over to Discord, guys, because if they wanted us to stay on mumble they'd surely be here so something to think about but uh in the meantime this is actually to my advantage because neither poppy nor wimpy have joined us for today's episode and i have some things to say about ubuntu you know i don't run ubuntu um i'm running solace on this machine i do i mean i do run ubuntu on some of our systems here jb but none of my personal daily use systems the mobile room yep i know that one does but none of my personal daily use systems run ubuntu so uh i don't have really much of a horse in this race. So just full disclosure, this doesn't really impact me, but I was going to save this. I was going to save this

to talk about it with Noah on user error so that way he could back me up. So it wouldn't just be me saying this because it's just going to sound like crazy Chris. But I think what we are seeing with Ubuntu 17.10 is what happens when an adult makes a Linux distribution.

And I don't mean to be demeaning to all the other projects out there, but Canonical is doing things with 17.10 that I simply can't understand why it's taken, frankly, it's taken until they've come along and made a GNOME version for any of this shit to happen. It's sort of opening my eyes to how this could be done better by all the other Linux distributions. So there's several different avenues I could take. I could talk about the thousands of fixes they've now submitted to fix Bluetooth upstream. I could talk about that for a moment.

I could talk about the fact that they're finally the only distribution that's actually taking on hardware accelerated video playback and testing it and applying patches and getting it to work from the web browser down to the video on your screen. Everybody has claimed they have it, but no one actually got it working until Canonical came along. I could talk about that all day. But today, we're going to talk about the new doc. Because this simple, simple thing that they are doing perfectly illustrates what I'm talking about. And I guess, maybe for context, I'll give you one more example of something they've done recently that needs a lot more discussion and no one's talking about it.

Canonical is doing something very unique with the way that they are implementing their GNOME desktop in Ubuntu 17.10. They are shipping it as a session option, just like the way that upstream GNOME ships GNOME Classic. You choose GNOME Classic, and it's like you're in a different version of GNOME Shell. But you're not in a fork of Gnome Shell. You're not in something that conflicts with your totally tricked-out version of Gnome Shell. You're just in a different Gnome Shell environment.

Gnome Shell has been specifically architected to support this. This was a design intention of Gnome Shell. But every distribution out there, from Fedora to Anagross, just cocks up your main Gnome installation with their extensions that conflict with extensions from the actual publisher. They'll just install Gnome, they'll just install the favorite stock

and just say, ah, screw it. Doesn't matter if it has the same extension ID as the one upstream. And then you consistently run into issues when you update your system. They couldn't have just implemented it in its own session. No, they didn't do any of that stuff. With 1710, if you don't like the way Canonical ships GNOME, you log out, you choose the default option, and you've got stock GNOME. None of their extensions are installed. Their new custom doc we're about to talk about doesn't pop up.

It's just GNOME. And it's been built to support this, and yet it took this company to do it. The GNOME developers tried to show the way with the classic session is to show you how it could be done, but nobody did it. Everybody just had,

for some reason, had to just modify the default GNOME session. But when we see them now doing something as simple as modifying a doc, you really see the care that's being taken in their approach with 1710 and the sustainability that they're building into this distribution now. And anybody who said that Canonical isn't focused on the desktop, you've got to re-evaluate the facts. Because this is a great example. So they're going to launch a dock that's their own dock by default in Ubuntu 17.10. It is a light fork of sort of the most famous and well-known dock for GNOME, Dash to Dock. And they've basically made a few tweaks to

it but it's how they've gone about all of this that really matters i'm looking at you mint project with all of your different freaking forks so how yeah so how did canonical do this and why didn't they just ship dash to dock this is this is i i guess you could call it a light fork. It's a fork done right. And I think it's really a sustainable approach. So first of all, let's cover some of the basics here. Why would they want it? Why would they want to have their own dock? Why not just use, if it's so popular, why not just use Dash to dock?

Why even bother? Why waste the time? Why have to invent their own thing? Well, first of all, this extension is installed by default on Ubuntu, just like I was talking about how Antigross does it. It means it comes from a package. It comes from a dev, from the main Ubuntu archive. So they've got to package it because that's how it's getting installed. So now they're immediately, instantly, without ever even shipping an ISO, they're in this problem where Upstream is shipping their

own version and publishing it on the GNOME extension site, and their version is different. It's immediately an issue, because that is a very popular extension that's under active development. If Canonical's extension kept the same GNOME shell extension ID that Dastodok had, it would mean that users couldn't swap them out.

You would either have to use the Ubuntu one or uninstall your dock, which would probably uninstall a whole bunch of other dependencies and then try to get Dash to Dock installed. So they've done this. For one reason they've done this is so they have their own extension ID so you don't have this conflict.

But what's so badass about their implementation is the settings you tweak, they're schema overrides. So you can actually share settings between the upstream dock and the Ubuntu dock. If you install the upstream dock, the Ubuntu dock automatically gets disabled. If you uninstall Dash to Dock, the Ubuntu dock automatically comes back on. Exactly the kind of behavior you would expect. They tweaked a few other small things about Dash to Dock,

like they automatically made it top to bottom vertical, just like the Unity launcher is, so it looks like Unity. They tweaked a few things to make it look a little more like Unity, so that way it's sort of an easier, smoother transition for existing users. But here's a great thing, too, is they worked with the developers,

they're all on board, they agreed this is a great way to do it, and they've been submitting patches upstream, which they are already applying to their code base. In fact, if I recall, you can actually find canonical. Yeah. So they have done an upstream branch that has all of their own modifications. And they're going to regularly rebase on top of the upstream dash to dock to keep everything basically cozy. Yeah. So it's a fork that's different but compatible. a regular rebase on top of the upstream dash to dock to keep everything basically cozy yeah so

it's a fork that's different but compatible it's an upstream fork they're working with the developer and it what i love about it which i think is so awesome is the settings are like you like you can invest in one dock and then switch out and you don't lose all of your special settings um and they say also the probably most important unvisible the thing and you don't lose all of your special settings um and they say also the probably most important unvisible the thing that you can't really see is the fact they use a different extension id because that makes it possible to swap between them you can stay up to date on each of them without having to worry about it you don't have to uninstall one to get the other one like you have to do on anagross it's like abutu went to them and said well we like

what you're doing here but our vision is slightly different, but we want to maintain compatibility. So how can we do this so that our stuff will work with yours, even if we're doing something a bit different? And then the last piece that I really think is classy, that I think all the other forkers out there should try to integrate, is it's using two things that make it really respectful to switching back to upstream. If you install and enable dash to dock, you don't have to have it enabled, but when you do turn it on, even if Ubuntu dock is still turned on, it politely just vanishes and goes away

and just lets dash to dock take over. And then if you change any settings in dash to dock, like anything that would modify DCOM for G settings, those modifications will be reflected in both that's super smooth and then you turn off dash to dock and the ubuntu dock comes right back and that sort of classy sharing of settings using schema overrides and then and then gracefully bowing out when the upstream version comes online i think is nailing it it's nailing it i think my only question would be is there an option to actually disable that sharing?

Because I can see a use case where some people might not want to share between the two. Probably. I'm looking at it right now. It looks like you can turn off the override mechanism. So there is a way to turn that off. But I haven't tried it yet, obviously, so I don't know. And they talk in this blog post. This is Ubuntu Dome Shell in Artful Day 5.

I've been following these series, and it makes so much sense when you're thinking about moving users over and how to do this right, and you look at it in the totality. You look at the upstream fixes to Bluetooth. Why is no 1,000 things they found in this development cycle

for this one version of their distro? What's going on? Why has nobody else done that? This video acceleration stuff, the gnome session stuff, and now the way they're handling this upstream fork. I mean, this isn't even the LTS release yet. Yeah. Well, I mean, they're doing all the heavy lifting now, so the LTS will be nice and stable,

I guess. It seems like a very sustainable approach. Yeah. Because by encapsulating everything in their own GNOME session, they don't have to worry about breaking or conflicting stuff that people want to install different extensions or don't like their configuration but still want an Ubuntu base. By modifying this dock to sort of bridge the move over from Unity 7,

which is the most visible aspect of Unity 7, and it's legitimately the thing that when I sit people down in front of Unity 7, they click with immediately is that sidebar. And to do it like this, I don't know. I mean, I'm definitely looking forward to trying out 17.10. I am very excited about this release. I got to say it's maybe the most excited I've been in eight years of releases. I mean, I got to go back quite a way to get this excited about an Ubuntu release again.

And it's all going upstream. I think it's always been something that I respect about Ubuntu, is that rather than look at what is the quickest way to do this, they say what is the best way to do this. Except now, it's being applied to other up steam projects instead of them rolling their own stuff you know what i what i was surprised by was how popular the uh the the the survey was for docs because i was just saying last week i'm like i'm kind of over docs i'm just sort of done with them but um it you look at all of the results and

they're right they link to to it. People want docs. People want to use a doc. I don't know. For me, it's put a bar down at the bottom of the screen, put the clock in there, put the tray icons in there, and call it good. I mean, aren't the bars just really docs without animations? I suppose.

One of the things I like about the Budgie desktop is I can now put this bar on my side screen. And it is, you know, I suppose if you've got extra sides room on these, you know, 16 by 9 screens than you do on the bottom. So there's that reason for it. Anyways, good post. Lots of other stuff in there. Link in the show notes. But I want to talk about one more thing before we get to something that is going to ruin

the life of any Star Trek fan. There is a proposal by your good friends over at Mozilla about turning on data collection in the Fox. Now, I want to be clear about this. This isn't like a creepy data collection, and they are starting very gracefully. They fully admit that they really don't have enough data on their users right now. They need more data about the types of sites they go to, the type of browsing they do. Are they using Flash? Are they seeing a lot of junk? How are the load times and so what what firefox wants to do what mozilla wants to do

is they want to use a um a privacy project that that allows them to collect data but does it in a way that anonymizes essentially the data using something called differential privacy so i believe the project is rapport r rapper rapper r-a-p-p-o-r i think it's spelled yeah rapper um and it's something it's a project that google works on and it uses it uses differential privacy which sends bogus data and real data and then it's just sort of supposed to all work out in the wash if you have enough users and they would install this and they would anonymize the reporting, and then you would, along with good reports,

you would also be sending them completely crap stuff, which is a weird approach. But the idea is that the average is more good, and then if you look at that data, you get something. But so the theory behind it is they can't even use your habits to try to narrow down who you are. Now, initially, they're thinking about rolling this out then they can't even use your habits to try to narrow down who you are. Now, initially, they're thinking about rolling this out as an opt-in to try it. But if they decide to implement it, it's going to be turned on by default.

And that's the part that's really getting people pissed off. Yeah, it's interesting that they're bringing this up so soon after the whole privacy concerns with the plug-in stuff. Yeah, I thought the timing on this was kind of weird. Like, that was just a couple weeks ago, wasn't it? So when you're down and out, and you're getting your ass kicked, you're just getting kicked all over. I mean, it's bad, man. You're getting your ass kicked on the ratings the ratings i mean on the uh usage numbers is that the time to launch a hey we want to spy on you campaign i mean i guess it depends on whether you consider it spying or not i don't ww what do you think differential privacy is kind of the new

hotness apple says they're going to use it in future iOS's to anonymize data reporting Mozilla says they need the data what do you think about this? this should be an optional thing it should be popping up when you first set up Firefox it should be hey we want to do this and we want your consent and a thing that I don't see with a lot of tools is that they don't give you an option to control the data.

You can turn it off. You can turn it off. Yeah, it should be up front. They shouldn't be going, oh, we're turning this on by default. You know, just kind of like Windows telemetry. It's on by default. Oh, this patch adds it. It's like, at what cost?

I'm kind of on the opposite side of the fence with that though because for usage analytics to be useful you need a large amount and most people are just probably going to click no i think they're gonna i think if they do this they're gonna bury the setting probably in like a privacy tab inside settings. I don't think they would give you a pop-up because of that reason. And I think that's why they – because they say currently we can collect this data when the user opts in, but we don't have a way to collect unbiased data without explicit consent. And so the problem that they're seeing is they're getting biased data by people who are willing to opt in. Exactly.

And so they've got to solve that particular problem, and they're trying to use differential privacy to justify monitoring everyone. And apparently the project they're using, the report or whatever, apparently it's the most widely distributed usage of differential privacy. Yeah.

It probably would vary about config probably if they were to do or have that option though. I mean, I don't really get the objection to truly anonymized usage statistics. Like I can understand if you can be tied to it, but this seems like a pretty full-fledged implementation of we're trying to anonymize this as much as humanly possible. And you know it's data that Google and Apple are getting.

Yeah. So their competitors are getting it. Yeah. What about, you know, years ago, I used to think about this. I don't think about it anymore, but doesn't collecting all of these metrics and having data collection points at every little end of the application slow down the application? Doesn't collecting this stuff in the background and uploading it constantly slow down

the network? I mean, what the hell? I mean, I can't be a lot, but damn, I mean, I want this shit to be as fast as possible. It's just so frustrating. But I know that's neither here nor there. They say that... Do you remember when Ubuntu had the Amazon scopes and people got them? It's kind of like that because with that, you had the option of totally turning it off and that's fine.

Or maybe on one system I had it on if I was looking at Amazon or buying something. I can understand the objection to the Amazon scopes way more, though, because it was directly tying to individual users. And the initial implementation wasn't all that secure either. Yeah, that too. So that definitely led to it. But Minimac, you say it's sort of like equivalent to submitting a crash report. Yeah, I think if I remember well, if you first start Firefox with your new profile,

you get a little note at the bottom of the page, which says decide what you share. And if you click on it, you see that the health and crash report is enabled by default and you can disable it. So I guess they just add another option for your personal data collection. Or it might just be another line in that paragraph even. Yeah, and that to me has way more potential

to tell what you're doing with your browser than this other stuff. Because you can get URLs and stuff in crash reports. So they're validating this right now or they're about to. They're about to. They're going to run an opt-out shield study, they say, to validate the implementation of this differential privacy project. The study will collect the value of user's homepage, is that that tile page that they think is so important it's worth selling advertising on the one that i spend exactly half a second looking at once a day um so they're going to collect how much you guys click on those tiles and they're going to

select a random group of their release population and they hope to launch mid-september which isn't that around the time and then in november you have 57 you gotta wonder if like this isn't gonna ship in 57 because i expect that one to get a lot of downloads i'm sure yeah maybe 57 is the not only is it gonna like the the accumulation of all a lot of their different projects but it's also the new ui it's gonna get all the attention if it's not in 57 it'll almost definitely be in 58 yeah so they're gonna to launch their test pilot soon. Speaking of privacy, Plex really stepped in over the weekend, and

they've backpedaled a bit already since we've recorded this, but they announced that they were going to launch a data collection process that wouldn't really report on the files in your library, but would give them all kinds of metrics, and you couldn't turn it off.

So they're updating their privacy policy and they're retracting on some of that. But I got to tell you, I saw a lot of angry comments from the audience who said they're trying out MB after this. So check out some of our past episodes on MB if you're looking for an alternative. Honestly, to me it seems

kind of like the same situation, because it wasn't about them collecting data on your files, it was collecting usage statistics again. Yeah. Well, a lot of people are watching pirated content on Plex. And I feel like a lot of people will probably go in there

and turn that off specifically, so they're not getting the usage statistics that they want. So they've been pretty clear now after this release that they have no way of tracking which files you're playing unless you use a client that talks to a cloud service to initiate playback. So if you're using an Echo or a third-party app that uses the Plex cloud API to start a file on your Plex server. In that case, they do have logs of which file you're starting. I like that. They actually made that clear. They said,

if you're just, you know, using like the Plex app on your phone or on the TV or on your web browser, and you're watching the latest episode of game of Thrones, they didn't say that I'm putting that part in. Um, they don't know. They don't know what file you're watching.

They just know you're watching content. Basically. Don't know, man. I, I'm getting really i feel like i'm getting privacy bankrupt that's what it is one one in one or two instances i'm okay with this um you know i made this compromise when i put echo dots in the studio well see the problem is all of the totality i'm getting sick of it all of these different developers they need

statistics on how their stuff is used to make their products better. Yeah. I guess the first 30 years of making software where they didn't have always-on Internet-connected machines constantly sending back metrics, somehow they still managed to make good software. Do you think software was good? Yeah. Actually, in some ways, I think it was better than it is today because it didn't have so many damn interdependent connections. I guess I agree. I understand this is a hard problem.

We need to know what episodes are downloaded, although we don't track beyond the number. I really hate to see Plex going down this path, and I hate them doing it ham-fisted. The fact that they've had to make this big, huge public retraction is embarrassing for Plex. And honestly, I think in some ways, because we don't collect more information, we're disadvantaging ourselves, but we do that consciously. Hmm. Yeah, wouldn't it be interesting if we had, if there was some way, and I don't know how you would have this,

if there was some way we could know exactly how many new users use Linux versus how many computer experts use Linux? Or even stuff like being able to track what part of the show people watch. We could tell our content. Yeah, but that's a limited subset of our audience. Yeah, it's a very small subset.

So it's kind of, I mean, you can draw some conclusions from it, but there's so much more data out there if you could get all of it. Yeah, that's what... You could tell our content to what people want without having to poll them for what they want. that's what big advertisers have been trying to get different podcast apps to to start collecting data which is a creepy slippery slope in my world because to me there's other ways of sussing that out besides getting playback locations you know

you can tell by feedback from the audience what they respond to um you can tell by you know all that there's all kinds of ways to get that. But the problem with that is you're going to get that biased feedback. I guess. But really, I mean, built-in metrics to everything we use, it feels like I'm getting nickel and dimed to death with my privacy. I mean, you really don't care that every app you almost use today, think about it, every app we pretty much use today

is sending back usage data. It doesn't really bother me to be honest i mean as long as they're they're not using something to like try to track me down specifically i i don't care i draw the line at like health information or like uh stuff around my house i don't really like them collecting like when certain things turn on or off and yeah that kind of stuff feels like it's too far that that definitely is too far well that's that's where things are going though well i mean depends on what you you choose to support yeah anyway mumble many thoughts on uh the plex data collection firefox data collection or the topic of data collection in general i know it's got to be on some of your minds because just everything are

you guys feeling this like nickel and dimed privacy death here? The thing is, for me, is I understand that projects have to have some way to monetize and some way to get this information. Going about it like a jealous boyfriend or someone that's going to keylog you to see what you're doing. There's not a way to go about it. You can talk to people, have a discussion with people that use your software and make it so they can actually use the software. Like I really want like companies or like if I had my own company, I would make it so like users had an option to see what data we're using. And when they want to, you know, I mean, it's you have to have some kind of level of respect for people that are giving up this privacy for these services.

OK, so that's a great point, W.W. So let's let's take that the next step. Say, OK, they need this somehow. Plus, some of them can monetize it. so it's a way to fund future development. If we hold those things true, and for sake of argument we accept that differential privacy is legitimate, and that this project that Mozilla is using from Google is also legitimate, is that the right compromise then? Is the beard right?

Like, okay, you can collect your data, but use differential privacy to fuzz it and still give me the option at the end of the day to turn it off? Is that it's not it's going to be on by default, but it's fuzzed and you can turn it off. And is that sort of a good enough compromise for you because it gives Firefox the data they need? It lets them make a better product, lets them know where to focus development. But it is at least using differential privacy. It depends, like, how is this going? Like, the thing is, once you're on the slope, how slippery does it get?

Yeah, that's how I'm feeling. Because you have to, like, okay, we know, like, you, me, Rikai, anybody that's mobile right now and watching, You, me, Rikai, anybody that's in mobile right now and watching, like, you're either a technologically advocate, you're technologically inclined, you work in tech. We know that there's DEF CON, there's someone out there, like, looking for a weakness. You just know that by default. So to us, we know the caveats of such things.

But to the average user, they don't know. They're not going to know the commits of such things, but to the average user, they don't know. They're not going to know. They don't care. That's a lot of what I run into with people I know or other people. Default reigns supreme. I feel like, especially in the

case of Firefox and this differential privacy project, both of these are open source. So people can go and see exactly what they're collecting. This is actually rare. Not probably super common, but thank God. Yeah. I mean, really, if you're really super worried about it, there is an escape hatch here for

you. Yeah. You're right. And it does look like it's a legitimate project. It does seem to be very popular. It does have a lot of contributors. and Google is a main sponsor of it. Google obviously has skin in the game to create ways to monitor people that doesn't get them in trouble. Yeah.

That's probably how they watch students. Especially with recent EU lawsuits. How much you want to bet this is what they use for Google Apps to say that they're not specifically tracking you, but they're still collecting metrics? It's probably why they are. They are so creepy. All right. Well, let's take a moment because I'm so excited. In fact, there's something that happened to me this week besides the solar eclipse.

This might be more. Boy, that's let's see. Seeing celestial objects line up in the sky in front of me and being the path of the shadow of heavenly bodies is a big event to happen to a person. But stage nine also happened to me this week. And I'm going to tell you about stage nine, which may have a more long-lasting impact on me and, more importantly, you. But first, let's talk about making yourself better before we kill all of your time. LinuxAcademy.com slash unplugged. Go there to support the show and sign up for a free seven-day trial.

It's a platform to learn all about Linux. They've just expanded on some of their AWS stuff just recently. And I think for me, I would have killed for something like this because I really suffered from anxiety of I got to go to this client and I have got to go do this thing that we just our sales guy just told them I knew how to do and I've done it maybe once, two years ago. And that's where these hands-on labs for me were just, boy, that'd be a game changer. And now, just giving me

just the ability to experience it, such a great feature. If they only did this, Linux Academy would be worth it. Linuxacademy.com slash unplug. Of course, they have so many more features. You know, Chris, I'm going to take a different tack with this. Go for it. You took the whole nice business angle. Me,

I'm going to say that you can become a Linux genius in your underwear. Well, that's definitely true. I mean, you think about it, what better way to become a genius on something than in your underwear? You're not distracted by all those scratchy clothes. The best way to learn is no pants. I completely agree.

No pants and just the right temperature, the music you like going. I think it's maybe light a candle. I mean, I'm not going to judge you. They also have self-paced in-depth video courses in every Linux, cloud, and DevOps topic. They have instructor mentoring, you know, humans that are available to help you. In fact, one of those humans is in Seattle right now. They have a course schedule that works with your busy schedule. They have flashcards that get forked by the community.

They have cert training that goes right into courses for like a path to get a certification. And I really think that if you want something that is sort of scratching that podcast itch and that sort of audio book itch, their content you can download and listen to offline is perfect for that. So let me be clear. You're telling me that I can, there's the humans doing this and not Elon Musk style AI? This is what they do. This is what they do.

They're all about it. They're all about it. In fact, if you check out their Twitter feed, you'll see some of that. Linux Academy Com. Also, they were just honored to be one of the companies included on the 5,000 list of fastest growing companies. Have you seen this at Inc. 5,000? I just saw this on their Twitter feed. I'll hold it up right here on the show.

Inc.com, Linux Academy. Look at that, number 78 on the- Wow, top 100. Yeah. That's amazing. Holy crap. Holy crap. Look at those.

Boy, you should go there. That must be some pretty big growth to be in the top 100. Here's what I'm going to tell you to do. We'll leave it as an exercise to the listener to go to Linux Academy's feed, Twitter feed, Linux Academy.com, and then look at this link. But give me one guess on what you think their three-year growth percentage was. 1,045%. More. 2,800%. More. 10,000%.

No, hold on. I'm not going to give it away. I'm not going to give it away. But the link is in their Twitter feed if you'd like to know. Linuxacademy.com slash unplugged. There's a reason why they've grown like crazy in the last three years. It's probably because they've been sponsoring us. The Jupyter Broadcasting Effect. LinuxAcademy.com slash unplug. Get a free seven-day trial and keep us on the air. Now, this is a self-indulgent moment for me, but it is newsworthy.

A version for Linux will be shipping today, a brand new version of Stage 9. Now, what is Stage 9? That sounds like a Microsoft video blog. Yeah, no, it does, doesn't it? It is a project to recreate the entire set of the NCC-1701D Enterprise from the Star Trek The Next Generation. And it is using the Unreal Engine 4, which means it works on a lot of graphics systems, and if you have a good graphics

system, it's unbelievably gorgeous. If you're on Windows, it also has VR support. The Linux version, ironically right now, is just being held up by packaging issues. So remember how we were saying that packaging isn't a big problem on Linux? Yeah, it's...

I thought they should ship it as an app image. Well, I actually suggested a Snap, but yeah, an app image would also be really great. But they do have the last release for Linux available right now, which is still great, still a lot of fun. And if you're on the Mac platform, they also have a metal version if you want to see what metal's like, I guess.

Sorry, I don't mean to laugh, but you could. You could do that, too, if you wanted to do that. I think I might have an app to slip in Wimpy's pocket. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, that may or may not have already happened. Oh, yeah. That may have already been a thing. So Stage 9 is available for Linux.

You can download version 7 very soon, version 0.7. Right here I've got version 0.6. And it's as cool as you would think, even on my NVIDIA GTX 960 here. This is running on Solus with the proprietary NVIDIA driver. We'll start here. I'll show you the bridge a little bit if you're watching the video version. It looks great. And I actually have this on medium camera settings.

I can actually turn it up a little bit to high. Hey. Hey. There we go. Yeah, what? We are under attack. Oh, really? Do you need me to trigger red alert? Yes. Okay, stand by We are under attack. Oh, really? Do you need me to trigger red alert?

Yes. Okay, stand by. There we go. All right. There we go. Battle stations. We are now at battle stations. So this is pretty great.

And like I was talking about, if you've got a good graphics card, it's a great way to really push your Linux rate. Because one of the things that is a little disappointing sometimes is some of the games can't really push the high-end video cards. This thing definitely can. And if I had VR set up on Windows, I would definitely be giving this a go. Anyways, Stage 9. A nice way that they hid the loading screens, Chris, was... Through the TurboLift. Yeah, the TurboLifts are the loading screens.

I actually, I would call out a few things. So this shot, it's just a really simple hallway shot here. But the lighting and this is on a gtx 960 on medium graphics uh last generation yeah and but there's reflections on the on the metal wall panels that are gorgeous uh when you come into the main engineering here there is a little bit of a jj abrams lens flare effect from the warp drive i don't know if this will come through in the download version, but it supports positional audio.

So when I move around the engine room, the sound of the warp drive changes depending on where I'm standing, which is just the coolest thing. All of the panels that you saw used, everything's accurate. In fact, I've been walking around this ship by memory from the show. It is remarkably accurate. It is an incredible recreation. It's one of the coolest Star Trek things I've ever used,

and it's on Linux. You know what, Chris? You say that, I've got to say I'm really disappointed. Oh, yeah? What's wrong? It's called Stage 9. Yeah. Where's Deep Space 9?

Right outside the window. Yeah, check this out. Let's go here. So let's see. We'll go to 10 forward. I'll take you to 10 forward. So here's the funny thing. I don't know about this version, but in the version seven, I watched it in their YouTube video. They have a shuttle bay. Now, hello there.

Hi, how are you? Are you having a good day? So are you saying that there might be a possibility someday? You can take the shuttle out. You can take the shuttle out. And you could probably one someday go to Deep Space Nine. Okay, I'm in. So if I go out the window here, I think, oh, no, I guess not. You can see Bajor, but just right there is Deep Space Nine, but you can only see the bottom of the docking because it's above the ship.

It's all spatially correct, which is really cool. Enterprise is cool, but really we want to go and visit Quarks. Yeah, that would be great. So they have all the different levels on here too, which is just, again, if you're a geek, it's a, again, if you're a geek, it's a lot of fun if you're a Star Trek geek. But even if you just want to push your Linux rig or play around with an Unreal-based engine game on Linux,

there's a few of them now, obviously, but this one's a pretty special one. Lots of hidden stuff. All the cool sets, including the Arboretum, Data and Worf's Quarters, the data center of the Enterprise, which is a particularly great map on this. I wish we could show it.

If you want to see it, check out the full live stream if you're a patron. I walked through the data center of the Enterprise in the pre-show, and I'll be posting that for our patrons. Here's a critical feature question. Can you sit down like Riker? You mean step over the chair? I don't think so yeah i don't think they've added that yet they should there's there's a few things they there's definitely a few nods and stuff like that that are in there but yeah so it's stage nine and uh i had

a chance to chat with the one of the developers on discord this morning and uh before the show and i was asking you know what's what's going on with the what's going on with the links packaging stuff? What's what's the hard time? And oh, look at that. So he just he just legitimately right now as we're recording. Wow. Four minutes ago, just posted the the log. So if you might be able to help him get this off the ground, they have a they have a discord server where the devs prefer to be reached. And that is linked on the Stage 9 page. And then he just posted, and I'll link to this in the show notes, their build log issues.

And this is what's holding them up from getting the latest version on Linux. It looks like he keeps getting a lib curl issue. Yeah. Yeah, I'll put a link to that in the show notes, and maybe I'll send that along to some of our friends that work in packaging. Because it would be really cool to get this available easily for Linux users, because it's a pretty cutting-edge thing, and when VR support comes, it's going to be one of the few really nice Unreal 4 things that we can try out.

I know that's not on everybody's priority list, but something about me, the old Linux advocate in me, I just don't want to see a slip behind on this kind of stuff. And it's so great to see just some fan project like this that doesn't have a ton of time trying to make it work on Linux. I really appreciate that. And in big parts because of the Unreal Engine, but it sure makes it look pretty.

Stage 9, if you want to check it out directly, the website is stage-9.co.uk, and I'll have a link in the show notes. And that's where you at their stage nine websites where you can find their discord channel they also have a subreddit which as you'd fit which figures stage nine on reddit anyway i thought that was kind of a neat thing are you i know you're not a big star trek guy but if i got if i did manage to get the vr set up here would you uh would you give it a go um does it have to have the walking component because i

guess that's part of it, right? Well, I mean, you can use the controllers. But I don't know. I really want DS9. Yeah. Boy, the amount of work that it goes to creating this. These are every detail down to the materials and, you know, just like everything. Like the stitching to the carpet is accurate.

So I can imagine the time. Just imagine all the time that they had to go through and rewatch all those episodes and rebuild these scenes and probably look at like concept art and all kinds of crazy stuff. So I asked one of the developers, I said, so is this, you know, what's the license? Is this license? You know, I'm kind of getting at it like if this is open source, this is something that people could really kind of get around here. And the official answer is they're just distributing it as a binary and there's no license, there's no implicit license they're attaching with that at this time. So I would imagine that's all rights reserved.

Yeah, all rights reserved for the time being. But I just, there's, not only is it just an impressive technology demo because you download this thing on Linux, you run it, and now you're in this incredibly gorgeous 3D rendering which is a lot of fun to try out on your graphics, different graphics cards, and seeing how they perform, which for me is just a fun benchmark, and seeing how hot they get and all that kind of stuff. But then to see such an accurate recreation of something that I'm such a big fan of, it was pretty impressive.

And it's been, you know, there's been times, there has been times, where as a Linux user, I was left out. So it was really great that they... And these, by the way, screenshots that I'm showing, if you're watching the video version, are in-game renderings. They even have the battle bridge. Speaking of Star Trek and times you were left out, how's it still going? Oh. So they've moved to DirectX 11 only, and Wine is... At a good clip, but Wine is still fully implementing DirectX 11 support. So, yeah, I've had to take a break.

That might explain my passion for this. You're jonesing. Yeah, because I've been lacking any Star Trek gameplay on Linux for a while. If anybody else out there has Star Trek games that they've played under Wine, let me know, at ChrisLAS. Because I'll definitely kill time while the Wine project gets—I know they'll get there eventually. Yeah. They'll get there eventually. Yeah. They'll get there eventually. Hey, so want a little more Beardsley?

Want a little more of the Reek High here? Check out User Air. He's on User Air every damn week. And we've got a new episode coming out in a few days. And my old buddy, John, who hasn't been on for a while, joins us and shares some pretty funny stories. It was a great episode. We also talked about Linux extremism.

Yeah. Also, a great episode. We also talked about Linux extremism. Yeah. Also, just a warning, this episode is probably a little bit more not safe for work than most. Which is really saying something, actually. Yeah. Okay, maybe a lot more. It depends.

It depends. It depends. I guess it depends on what you're into. Yeah. So did you have anything you wanted to plug before we ran out of here? You can just find me on Twitter at RekaiLP or over at Rek.net. Rek.net.

Or my Twitch. I've got to come up with a good name for the vlog because I'm going to be posting our Eclipse story. There were some interesting challenges on our way down to the Eclipse, so I'm going to post all that on my vlog, which is YouTube.com slash Chris Fisher. You know what, Chris? It needs a good name. Chris, I can offer you a free subdomain, hair.rec.net.

There you go. There you go. I guess one more thing I'll plug, just because it's been pretty popular the last few days and it just seems to be growing more and more, is our Discord. Discord.me slash JupiterColony. There's a lot of people on there,

and it's a pretty nice place. Yeah, and if Telegram is more of your flavor, well, guess what? We got one of those, too. Go to jupiterbroadcasting.com slash Telegram and join in the group conversation over there. I try to pop in all over the place, in and out, but the conversation's always going on,

even when I'm not in there. You can also find Beardsley in there from time to time. There's just all kinds of ways to get you. It's pretty good. All right, everybody, well, thank you so much for tuning in to this week to time. There's just all kinds of ways to get you. Yep. It's pretty good. Alright everybody, well thank you so much for tuning in to this week's episode. Hopefully Mr. West's car troubles are all fixed. We gotta get him a Linux running car. Yeah. You know, something Linux powers that doesn't break down on him.

Because I'm sure that would solve all of his problems. And for people looking for a tech snap after they finish watching LUP. Oh, that's coming. It's just gonna be a little bit. Yeah, a little bit. Alright, we'll see you right back here next week I never installed Linux. It's negative in the freedom dimension. All right, jbtitles.com. Let's go pick our title.

Mumble Room, we were small in number, but you guys did great. Mr. Fax, I never got it. Or Robo. We have Robo the Arms back, too. Robo Arm, Robot Arm, whatever. I never get it right, but it's good to see you guys. Thank you for making it two this week. Perseates it.

And now let's go pick our title. What do you think? One more job before we get out of here, gentlemen, before we ride off into the sunset. Should we go pick our title over at jbtitles.com? Well, Beardsley, I was glad you were able to make it. Kind of a lower-key show, it felt like, overall. It's a lot easier for me to make it.

Yeah, that's true. You have less car troubles. But yeah, it felt like a lower-key show, but still good, right? It still felt good, didn't you think? Was I right? Well, yeah. Any notes, as they say, chat room on today's episode, or mumble room, feel free to submit

them to us before we get out of here. But I thought it was a good episode, just a little low-key. I think, as with every week, many people are going to hate me. And some people are going to love me. Geez, I mostly hear all good things. People like hearing, people call you, you know, the, what do they say? The man of the people. The pragmatist?

Yeah, the man of the people. I just think it's like people, like I grew up with a net, like when it was really starting to penetrate into the public. And so my opinions are different than Rikai's, but I love hearing Rikai's and talking to him about it. That's what I love is that I can respect him and talk about him and get more information or get links and just process it more. Sometimes you have to just disagree and move on. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, exactly. We need a lot more of that.

We need a lot more of that. How young does he think I am that he doesn't think I was around when the Internet was new, too? I mean, thank you. I'm like five years older than Chris. Fair enough. So what about so privacy bankruptcy by Token Ring is good. It's in competition with Wind Clouds Cry, which is also good. We could also jazz it up.

We could say Mozilla's privacy bankruptcy. No? Okay. Hmm. No? Okay. Too jazzed? Firefox? I don't like privacy bankruptcy myself. Wow. Of course, I was also taking the opposite opinion.

JBtitles.com, JBtitles.com. When clouds cry, it rains. What's that in reference to specifically? I would imagine Mozilla doesn't have enough data. Or maybe the backups. I think more of the backups. So I guess in multi, it sort of covers both, which is kind of good. That always kind of, you know, I'm going to toss a boat in for When Clouds Cry.

I'm going to give it a boat. I'm going to give it a, now we're. I also kind of like Forks Done Right. Forks Done Right is good, too. WW coming with it. Oh, man. All right. So we got to do some consolidated voting because we got a bunch of really good contenders here at the top.

So everybody head over. Do me a solids oh how about how to measure off fox when clouds cry currently leading jb titles jb title so now that i'm back on solace i have i have the actual spotify desktop client installed again for like the first time in a while because that shit definitely broke an anagross months ago. Yeah, someone earlier was having trouble with tap to click or something. Me? The problem. What's that?

The tap to click is always a problem. So, Forkstone Wright and When Clouds Cry are tied now. Forkstone Wright was probably the most energetic time of the show. Tell you what, Chris, how to measure a fox is climbing up there. Jeez. I like the way it looks on the screen. Yeah. JBTitles.com.

So we got to break out. We got to break out. Oh, God, you guys. Are you guys screwing with me? Is that what's happening right now? Because we have a tie. Ah! This is...

I've never installed GNU slash Linux. Work's done right. Pulling ahead with one boat right now. We need like a timer. Alexa, set a 30-second timer. Alexa, set a 30 second timer. 30 seconds? No, she's too stupid. We need the 24

sound effect for the time counting down. What did she set the timer for? This is too stupid timer. I presume for 30 seconds. So she wanted a name for the timer? Is that what she meant? No, she wanted the time, but then afterwards we named it too stupid.

The thing with the echo is if you don't nail that syntax, it just don't work. That's so dumb. Anyways, Fork's done right. It's pulling way ahead now with 12. I kind of like it too. Oh, don't work. That's so dumb. Anyways, Fork's done right is pulling way ahead now with 12. I kind of like it too. Oh, it's done. There's your timer. Just do stupid timer.

That's good, dude. Stupid timer is done. Alright, good job everybody. We're going to go with Fork's done right. Close. Why is she still talking? Apparently she was letting you know again Okay Alexa I feel like she's harassing us

Alexa remove timer God damn It's broken Alexa Alexa Stop He's not answering me