LINUX Unplugged - Episode 238: It's All Wimpy's Fault | LUP 238
Episode Date: February 28, 2018Linux apps are coming to ChromeOS via containers, Fedora is going for better battery life & what is going on with Xfce?Plus Ubuntu MATE’s cool new tick & we take a look at crankshaft: raspberry pi +... android auto + free software + love.
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I present you the perfect pet.
It is OpenCat.
It's a GPL3, highly programmable and maneuverable robotic cat
that's powered by AI and 3D printing
with a Raspberry Pi for extra flavor.
Well, isn't that neat?
Oh, they got a video.
Should we roll the live dice?
Let's check it out.
Okay, here we go.
Is it creepy or cute?
That's what we want to know.
The OpenCat demo.
Oh, boy. Oh, boy. all the live dice check it out okay here we go is it creepy or cute that's what we want to know the open cat demo oh boy oh boy so it's crawling it looks like a kid's robotic toy it does yeah um it does have the ability to get itself back up when it gets knocked over that'll be useful
here's version two you know i gotta say version two is looking a lot better they're really uh they're really committed to this thing wes they're really committed to this
thing i mean it is pretty pretty impressive now i don't know that i want to have it like around my
house if i didn't yeah didn't build it but right or when you're sleeping would you always make sure
to turn it off i mean think about that for a second do you want some robot cat ramp because
a real cat they roam around the house at night. You can respect the project here on this.
Maybe you could turn it into like a robo cat security droid.
Maybe mount a laser on there.
Oh, yeah.
This is Linux Unplugged, episode weekly Linux talk show that is covered in barbecue and been cleaning up dog poo.
My name is Chris.
My name is Wes.
It's one of those pre-shows, Wes, good and bad.
We made it, we're here.
Yeah.
The show must go on. We fired up the barbecue pre-show for the first time and bad. We made it. We're here. The show must go on.
We fired up the barbecue pre-show for the first time.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
The grill.
For the first time.
And we had to feed ourselves to prepare our bodies to cover all of the community news that we've got this week.
I feel like this should be a nice, calm, relaxing Linux Unplugged that we'll wander through before I head off to scale.
I need something low-key because the next week...
Take it easy, recharge.
It's going to be crazy.
It's going to be crazy going down to Pasadena, California.
So we're going to go through just a few bits, a couple of apps,
some nice community news, an update on XFCE.
Did you know there actually is some progress on the XFCE desktop?
Yes.
Yes, they're nearly to GTK3.
We'll tell you all about that, their current status.
Our buddy Wimpy's here with a pretty cool option for Ubuntu Mate installers for 18.04 coming up.
And the crew over at KDM Live has a killer new release that's in the works
that might just give Final Cut a run for its money.
Oh!
Yeah.
Then we'll check in on that poll about dropping Discord and switching
back to IRC, see what the results were,
and then, Wes, it's time to bring
a little freedom to your vehicle. Finally!
I've been debating this myself. Should I get one of them
like, you know, Android Auto
dashes? Because my radio needs to be replaced
as bad. And I'm like, yeah, maybe I'll do
that, but then I don't want to be locked into like one particular
hardware vendor, and they're probably not going to update it
properly, and it's probably going to be underpowered. So I've never
really pulled the trigger on like upgrading my car sound system. But friends, if you wait long
enough, the open source community always provides a solution. So this week we're going to talk about
Crankshaft, which is a turnkey Linux distribution for the Raspberry Pi that transforms it into an Android Auto headset.
All you need is a Raspberry Pi 3 board and the official Raspberry Pi 7-inch touchscreen,
which is like $60. And then you got a turnkey Linux distro. We'll tell you about it. Yeah.
Have you heard of Crankshaft, Wes? No, I have not. Well, you will hear more about it coming up. But
let's start with some community news.
This has been sort of leaking out in bits and details here and there.
Corbin Davenport over at AndroidPolice.com writes that it looks like Chrome OS may soon be able to run Linux applications in a container.
Of course, you're probably thinking, well, why does it have to do in a container?
Chrome OS is based on Linux.
Well, I'm sure it's many reasons, security being one of them. It looks like this is coming from some documentation that's leaked out. And if you go to Chrome Unbox, they have a Chrome OS developer
who uploaded two screenshots of the container feature and what it'll look like. You should get
a pop-up that comes up with a description that says, would you like to develop on your Chromebook?
You can run your favorite Linux apps in command line tools seamlessly and securely.
And then it gives you a couple of prompts to install terminal.
Ooh, look at that.
I like that.
Reminds me of the subsystem for Linux.
It's like a freedom box right there.
Doesn't this kind of remind you?
Yeah.
It's like Google's answer to the subsystem for Linux on Windows for Chrome OS.
Does that make sense?
It's like they're trying to the subsystem for Linux on Windows for Chrome OS. Does that make sense? It's like they're trying to be competitive with that feature on Windows.
Well, I mean, it kind of targets that splits the difference.
You can still have a simple platform for most end users, but, you know, your developers or other people that need a little bit extra, that option's there.
Is it actually usable, though?
That would really be my question.
That's a good question.
You know, are Chromebooks fast enough?
I don't know.
Let's ask the Mumble Room.
Time-appropriate greetings there, Mumble Room. Welcome to the show, question. That's a good question. Are Chromebooks fast enough? I don't know. Let's ask the Mumble Room. Time-appropriate greetings there, Mumble
Room. Welcome to the show, guys.
G'day. Hello.
Snuck it in there. You didn't know
when I was going to do it, did you? I surprised
you.
Get it out of here. So, Wimby, what do you think
of this? Do you think this would actually make Chromebooks
a viable solution? The thing that crossed
my mind is students. Like, my son
has a Chromebook provided by his school. I think anything that enables people to experiment with Linux in an
accessible way is a good thing, particularly for students. Yeah. And I could see too, like if you,
you know, if you've got a limited budget or whatever, or it's like, again, it's, it's provided,
it just sort of opens up a whole new range of functionality. And I wonder what the limits will be.
That's really going to be the question.
You know, how far will Google let you take this?
What are they going to make available?
Is it only just going to be a couple of things?
Terminal is interesting.
That makes sense.
That's a big start, yeah.
And then if it's all contained,
they don't have to worry about you mucking around with Chrome OS.
So check that out.
We'll have a link in the show notes.
Anybody else in the mom room, if you have anything to add,
if you're a Chromebook user, I'd be particularly interested. But I'm not a Chrome OS user. I am still reluctantly an Evernote user. And there's, I don't know, how many different Evernote clients or Evernote alternatives or Evernote killers that we have covered on this show. But we have one more. One more because the question still comes in.
And if you're like me, you're still stuck with this thing, especially when you travel.
It's called Tusk.
It's an Evernote client.
And it seems to actually connect to the Evernote backend.
It's also available as a Snap.
They say they've improved integration with Linux.
That seems like a good thing.
That's great
it has some markdown sheet support
I haven't tried it myself
because I still haven't decided
if I'm going to just quit
Evernote cold turkey or not
but it does look pretty compelling
and Joey over at OMG Ubuntu
wrote a pretty good write up
that kind of makes me want to give it a go again
it looks good it actually looks if you look at the video,
it actually looks better than the
official Evernote client.
So, I don't, you know, this is almost
Tusk is almost taking to the point where
it's like, I don't even want Evernote to, I don't even
need them to. This looks even better
than what they're... Done. Done, I'm good.
And it's just a snap away. Just
a freaking snap away. Have you tried it, Wimpy?
It's a snap. I mean, aren't you obligated to try all snaps in the contract?
Actually, Popey's been working on that one.
So I've not installed that one yet.
But then again, I don't use Evernote.
Yeah, you have to be in Evernote.
So I've got no real need to.
Good on you for avoiding that trap.
I got into it.
It's like poison.
When mobile was brand new.
And I just assumed they'd eventually get something for Linux, and I regret that decision.
But damn if it doesn't have some of the best OCR features.
Like when I'm traveling, I can take pictures of signs of places that I need to note for show reference or just for travel purposes.
That is extremely valuable for me.
So maybe Tusk will solve that.
We'll see.
Maybe I'll give it a go once I get back because I'm probably going to end up using Evernote on my phone while I'm traveling.
It almost always happens. You know, reservation stuff.
It's just easy.
It's there.
It works.
I tell you what, Wes.
I tell you what.
Let's talk about something else, something to pick me back up, improving laptop battery life.
This is some work that the Fedora project has been putting in.
life. This is some work that the Fedora project has been putting in
and they've outlined some of the ways
that they're trying to enable various
hardware power saving features by default
in Fedora. So one of the things
that they're implementing, and maybe we're going to see this
in other distributions too, I would assume, but right now
Fedora's the one that's talking about it. They're going to
make a new saddle link power management policy
which actually mirrors the
Windows defaults.
Surprisingly, surprisingly is often a good way to go
when it comes to some of this hardware power management stuff.
Enable Intel HDA codec power saving by default
with a one-second timeout,
which saves 0.4 watts of power on an idle laptop.
That's a huge amount, really.
And by the way, the saddling power management
could save up to 1.5 watts of power on an idle laptop.
Sweet deal.
That's a big deal right there.
And then enable USB auto-suspend for USB Bluetooth receivers by default.
We'll see how that goes.
Which could also save 0.4 watts.
And I like that they actually put numbers on this stuff.
When you add all that up, though,
it could be a pretty decent battery savings on Fedora,
which could really kind of make the distro stand out.
And I like that they're enunciating
all of the stuff they're doing over here on the wiki.
Yeah, that stuff takes tuning,
and so it's nice to be explicit about it.
Look at this, too.
They have this table, I guess,
of the SATA PowerLink management policy changes testing,
and so they have, like, Dell laptops
and HP laptops and Lenovo laptops
and Asus Zenbooks on here as well.
And it's legit.
It is really – it's pretty legitimate.
So they have comparisons before and after.
So let me – I'll just pick out.
Let's like say the ThinkPad T400, for example, using an SSD.
Before their tweaks on idle, it was sitting there taking 13.6 watts of power.
After their tweaks, which will just be enabled by default, idle, it drops to 11.8.
So it goes from 13.6 to 11.8 watts.
And that could really translate into more minutes on a battery.
And some of the changes are less dramatic.
Some of them are even more dramatic.
Some of them are even more dramatic some of them are barely noticeable one of them that
kind of jumps out at me is the elite book the hp elite book uh 8 5 40 w uh it goes from 18.8 to
17.9 you know a point actually it's a it's decent actually they're all they're all noticeable
they're none of them are actually anything to scoff at um they're all saving all take, that's for sure. They tried on the
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon
second gen. They tried to enable
some of the Satellink power management stuff
and it produced data corruption.
Whoopsie. Whoa.
That's a nice thing to know about. So don't go just playing
with this stuff, maybe. You know? Don't go
just trying that on your own distro to see if it's
going to... Or at least not with data
you care about. But it'd be really interesting to run
Fedora 28 on a laptop
and then run 27 and see if I could actually
just
perceive a difference. Not have to measure, but
can I just perceive it? Yeah, does it feel different
to the end user? Yeah. And what's nice about
this is it doesn't require a bunch of
crazy software they have to pre-install.
It's not requiring a whole bunch
of new packages on the ISO.
Just some new good defaults.
Yeah.
And people will talk about, hey, if you want great battery life, use Fedora for at least
a little while.
So that'll be good for them, too.
You just said it right there.
So now people are saying it.
It's being said.
It's being said.
There's some great news, too, for those of you that instead of installing Fedora 28 are
going to be installing Ubuntu 18.04.
But we're just talking about the future releases here, aren't we?
On Ubuntu 18.04, it appears that you will now be able to switch Snap Package channels.
I'm probably screwing that up a little bit.
But my layman's understanding is one of the features of Snap Packages is that you can have like a beta channel and a release
channel and now the gnome software app or i think it's just called software will let you choose
which channel you want to subscribe to i think i'm getting that all right wimby do you want to
errata any of that yeah yeah you've got that about right so um by default there are four channels
there's stable which is self-explanatory.
Candidate, which is where developers will put their release candidates.
Betas for betas.
And edge, which is typically what you'd hook up to your CI system.
So after every commit or your daily or nightly builds, they would all land in edge.
So you can do your integration testing.
integration testing and now what you can do in gnome software in 1804 is when you look at the details for a snap in software center it tell it has a label there for the track or rather the
channel that it's currently installed from which by and large would be stable and if you click on
that it will produce a list of the other channels that are available to you so if you want
to test the current beta or you want to get the latest crack from edge then you can switch that
and switch those channels but what it also enables you to do is some of the people that are publishing in the store are using tracks which are in addition to those channels
so for example um jet brains have their early access program so you can access the early access
versions of all of their products through their eap track and likewise with skype you can access their insiders builds so if you want to test out the
really really latest stuff then you can also switch to those tracks through gnome software
as well now that is that is really cool that jet brains is doing that um the the aspect that i like
about it from an end user's perspective is it's tidier when i search for a for an app because instead of getting three or four entries for slack or mumble it's just one
entry and then i can i can tack on which channel i want what during the installation it's clear
what level of risk you're prepared to take as a user yeah and so um if i say do an edge release of something, that doesn't necessarily mean it's containerized or not, it's sandboxed or not.
It could be an edge release and still be sandboxed?
Correct.
Okay.
The edge is just – they're just labels.
Just the release.
Yeah.
Yeah, they're just labels.
So it's whatever the developer feels
comfortable inputting in those channels what is the terminology for one that isn't sandbox is it
legacy or what's the term that when you're doing installs there's classic which is it's without any
confinement and then there is also dev mode which you can't publish in the stable channel. Right. And dev mode is kind of a reduced confinement model whilst you're iterating on your snap and scaffolding it together.
Classic, I think, is what I was thinking of.
And so now you don't even have to worry about what was the syntax or how do I add it to the install command.
Now it'll just be exposed via the GUI for users installing software, which is great.
Yeah, it makes it seem much more first class.
Yeah, so that way when you know it's available,
like I just did,
but I couldn't quite remember the syntax,
that's perfect for that.
That's where that kind of stuff is really nice.
And is that, do you know, an upstream thing, Wimpy?
Or is that unique to Ubuntu?
It's part of the Snap plugin for Gnome software.
Ah, oh, of course.
So it's implemented at the plugin level.
That's great.
That is.
That actually is, that actually, you know, you've got to say, GNOME software is actually keeping up.
Like when it was thought up, we weren't talking to Flatpaks and Snaps, were we?
And in the past, I could have seen that having to be completely revamped.
I'm not going to say it's my favorite way to install software or find software or even look at software,
but I got to give them credit for the fact that they haven't had to throw out the entire thing,
you know, to support Flatfish.
That's an open source win.
Yay for plugins, I guess. All right, Wes, I know you're not a big XFCE user.
Have you ever been an XFCE?
Oh, yeah, back in the day, for sure.
Oh, that's nice.
I was too. It's been probably five years now.
Yeah, same. Yeah, I'd say it's been about
five years. Yeah, I actually used it quite a bit
for a while. And it's
kind of almost, it's a meme
in a way in the Linux community about
how long it takes for XFCE to
ship. And they've
been working on 4.14, I think, for three years.
And the big part of 4.14 is the transition to GTK3.
And don't think of XFCE as one monolithic thing either.
Think of it as a set of many different software components.
Like you have Thunar for the file management.
You have the window manager.
You have the panels. You have the settings daemon. You have the power manager,
the session initializer itself. And then, of course, you have the XF Desktop, which is the
program that's responsible for managing desktop icons and backgrounds. So there's lots of sub
components. It goes on, actually. There's more. There's lots of other components.
And 4.14 has really been a process of porting everything to gtk3 plus instead of gtk2
and using gdbus instead of dbus lib and then using symbolic icons for all the panel plugins
and removing depreciated widgets from code you know old old crap in the code and as they've
moved along they've made some good progress they have have ported many things to GTK3, including Thunar, the file manager and the panel and the power settings and the settings manager itself and the desktop session manager.
even have maintainers like the calendar application or the archive manager or the cd burning application or the volume control so there's a few things that just they're not even like getting started yet
um so that's that's a bit rough there's 118 open bugs in xf desktop 119 in xf xfce4 session
206 in xfce4 settings, and it goes on.
So they're behind here.
And I think what my concern is, is you're dealing with 15 contributors, essentially,
who are working on their free time to port these projects, to get them ready.
And there's no real big corporate interest in XFCE.
There's no Red Hat or Canonical or SUSE behind
XFCE.
And there's not any real big
major distro that's even shipping it as its default
desktop. So they're kind of like an underdog
here.
It is just a passion project for these people.
And there's no
escaping the elephant in the room that is
GTK4.
I mean, it's getting
close. By the time they get XFCE 4.14
out, GTK4
could really be close to stable.
And then they have to start again. I don't know if
it's going to be the same amount of work, but that's to say
nothing of Wayland support.
Yeah, I mean,
XFCE has a lot, there's a lot going on.
It's not, you know, it has a lot of functionality
as a desktop. It's not a bad desktop. I's not, you know, it has a lot of functionality as a desktop.
It's not a bad desktop.
I'm sure there's a sizable code base to port.
Yeah.
It's hard for a project like that.
It really is tough.
And I know that we have folks in the audience that love it.
You know, Joe from Linux Action News and Late Night Linux, it's his number one driver.
And I've used it myself.
I mean, the pace is concerning does it but
the it's nice to at least see some details of the process that it is it seems like they have at
least semi-structured way to go about doing it and so work does progress yeah yeah anybody in
the mumble room a uh an xfce occasional user or a full-time user i'm'm betting no. Yeah. I don't use the desktop per se.
Yeah.
But I do,
I use XFCE4 Terminal.
Yeah, that's great for that.
A couple of the labs.
Yeah, or like X2Go.
But honestly,
I think Wimpy has played a big role
in making it irrelevant for me
because Mate has gotten so compelling
and especially Ubuntu Mate
over the last few years.
And so where I used XFCE in the past, I now use Mate.
So it's kind of your fault, Wimpy.
Well, I'm sorry to the XFC project for that.
But I would like to point out that it took Mate an awfully long time to port from GTK2 to gtk3 the only reason it wasn't so obvious is we were maintaining a gtk2 and gtk3 code base
in parallel during that transition which to some extent probably delayed thing delayed things but
for as long as i've been involved in mate which is getting on for six years now, we were doing that migration to GTK3.
And I think as a team,
we're only satisfied that we've really kind of got there
with the last release, which was last month,
in terms of the GTK3 stuff,
in that now every if-def rule in the code
for special casing different versions of gtk have been removed
because we're now just coalesced around gtk 322 which is the last stable release of gtk3
you know that said yeah go on well no i i wanted to finish um you you said that you know the next thing is gtk4 yeah there's no obligation
to immediately start you know porting to gtk4 gtk3 i mean everything's just landed on gtk3
even things like um uh chrome firefox, you know, those things have only just, you know, within the last, you know, months even, you know, LibreOffice a bit longer, but, you know, within months have started to properly take their hints from GTK3.
So I think it's going to be sometime.
And there's even, you know, the bigger projects like GIMP, you know, that have been around forever.
They're still GTK2.
So they still, you know, catch up to be done, you know, all over the place.
Yeah, that's a great point.
That is a GTK3 will be a stable target for, you know,
desktops and application developers for some time to come.
And in the world of flat packs and snaps, does it perhaps matter a little bit less if you know you if you've got
an application in theory that needs gtk 3.22 um you should be able to ship that for quite a while
as a flat pack or a snap even if my desktop is gtk 4 at that point yeah absolutely but i i think
you'll see gtk 3 and gtk 4 living alongside each other in distros in the future in the same way that we have GTK2 and GTK3 living alongside each other and have done for many years now.
That makes a lot of sense.
You know what?
So they're not talking about Weyland, but I don't see Mate talking a lot about Weyland.
But I don't see Mate talking a lot about Wayland.
I've seen you make a few hints that in a recent 1804 post, I think you said, don't get too excited by some of the Wayland work in there.
It's not what you think.
I think it was something similar to that wording.
What's that about? Wayland references that you may have seen in the change logs were actually to explicitly turn on ex-Wayland for some of the applications.
So for people that were installing the Marte applications in a GNOME session, for example, which was Wayland by default on Fedora and Ubuntu 17.10, it meant that those applications would actually work.
I see. Great.
But it is not a full, you know, Wayland implementation.
It just enables ex-Wayland to step in and take over.
But we have had our upstream conversations with the Core Marte team just this week about our road to Weyland.
We've got some more discussions to have there,
but we're starting to form a plan about how we're going to go about that.
Is your sense that it is more work than the port to GTK3?
Yes, although we may get lucky in terms of how we can go about doing this in that there may be some people who can assist us.
Do some heavy lifting, as it were.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Interesting.
So in the future, when that's all fleshed out, I will come back on and explain more about how we're going to tackle that one.
I think that's going to be extremely interesting to watch because I think that could be useful for other
projects as well. Alright, well
good stuff. Alright, well don't go too far.
I want to keep talking about Mate for just
a moment, but I do want to take a break and
thank DigitalOcean. So stand by while we
mention, I did get this in
last week, this great deal we have. DigitalOcean.com
You go to do.co
slash unplugged. That's the
URL I go to right now because I'm pretty
sure that's the best way to get
the special $100 credit offer
that DigitalOcean is offering the
Jupyter Broadcasting audience. It's a limited
time offer and I believe it lasts
for 60 days once you apply it to your account.
Now this is incredible because
honestly, in the
past, the traditional, and what I'll go back to
is the $10 credit, which is
legitimately enough to get
real work done for like two
months on DigitalOcean.
It's awesome. So the $100 credit
blows my mind. You can build
anything you want. Yeah, and I think
this is what they're thinking, because it's true infrastructure
on demand. Everything's SSDs, eight data
centers all over the world, a killer
dashboard to manage all of it, and then an API
to automate it when you're ready to go, or just grab some
open source code that does it already. But here's where
I think they're going with the $100 credit,
is they got a couple of new types of droplets
that are killer. So they got a $15
a month one where you can mix and
match the different resources,
which, depending on what you're doing,
maybe you don't need... It might just work out.
Yeah, maybe you need more RAM.
And you don't necessarily need a lot of local disk.
Or maybe you need a ton of CPU for something.
And you just mix and match as you need it.
And they also, they're standard droplets, which you can get for $5 a month starting there.
They just got even more competitive.
They have more everything.
More everything.
And if you have an existing one, you can upgrade it for free.
They're crushing it.
It's great.
DigitalOcean.com or do.co slash unplugged.
I've been a customer for, I think, four years now, which blows my mind.
We have large parts of the Jupyter Broadcasting infrastructure which run on DigitalOcean 24-7.
And that means I am now down to one server on-premise, which is just a large storage free NAS server now.
When we first started at Jupyter Broadcasting, we brought in an i7 rig with lots of memory
and lots of local disk and an NFS disk, and we ran a bunch of systems in a VM, Proxmox.
I mean, I've told you guys about this all on the show.
And over the years, it is so much simpler, so much faster, and honestly, long term, it's costing me way less to run on DigitalOcean than having to spend thousands and thousands of dollars on local infrastructure.
And the nice thing is we can build for what we need today and easily expand it.
I've said enough.
Really, all you need to know is do.co slash unplugged, $100 credit if you're a new customer.
Hot off the presses right there, Wes.
Limited time offer, so go take advantage of it
because I was negligent in telling you about it soon enough.
Also, if you want to get yourself some web mail setup,
I'm a fan of the Roundcube.
That's one of my more, I think it's like,
I don't know what else you could compare it to actually.
It's the closest to something like a Gmail
or like a commercial web mail client that
you can run and host yourself. Roundcube, it just connects to your mail server over IMAP and SMTP.
So you don't even necessarily have to host your own mail server. You could connect it to just
another IMAP server that you have or that you may be already using. Roundcube, they have a tutorial
on DigitalOcean for how to set it up. I don't actually know.
Don't tell them I said this,
but I don't think there's anything necessarily too DigitalOcean specific,
maybe than just the very beginning
of installing the computer.
But the rest would work
if you just had your own system.
Yeah, it's just great documentation.
Yeah, or, you know,
go spin up a VPS over on DigitalOcean.
They call them droplets.
Put up RoundCube
and then point it to an IMAP server
that you've been using.
And now you just got yourself webmail
that you're hosting and somebody else isn't slurping down.
That's pretty great.
do.co slash unplugged.
All right.
So, Wimpy, I was talking before the show with you.
And you started describing the minimal installer work that you're doing for Ubuntu Mate.
And I thought, okay, yeah, that sounds decent.
But the more you talked about it, I started thinking, geez, this might be the most popular implementation.
Like this is sounding really, really good.
So let's back up a little bit and maybe just a super quick refresher on what the minimal install is.
And I guess maybe some of the work you had to do to get it in Ubuntu Monte because I guess you don't just inherit that.
You have to make some choices and implement some decisions.
Tell me a little bit about it.
So this is piggybacking on the work of
my colleagues uh did rocks and laney who have landed the minimal install capability in the
ubiquity installer so um i just happened to be poking around in the ubiquity code on an unrelated
matter yesterday evening and i noticed that this feature had um
had landed so um i contacted laney and said so how do i turn this on for ubuntu mate and he said
oh it's easy you just create this file and you put the things in it that you want to be removed
from your from your install so um i i did that work for ubuntu Mate last night, and then the nightly images ran.
So it's built for the flavors to use as well.
It was purpose-built for that.
It's not just unique to just upstream Ubuntu.
No, any of the flavors can take advantage of it.
So I'll just go into some text because I know some of the flavor maintainers listen to the podcast.
text because i know some of the flavor maintainers um listen to the podcast so um what you do is you modify your seeds and the seeds are uh what where you list what applications are um what your
distribution is comprised of so the applications that uh are in the core image in the in the base
image and you add a new file in there and it's simply called desktop.minimal
hyphen remove and in that file you basically list all of the packages that you want to be
removed from the default install and if that file exists when ubiquity runs it will now present a new option in the installer so in the install
screens if you've installed ubuntu before you will have seen a screen where it asks you if you want
to install updates while it's installing and if you want to install additional codecs on that screen
you'll see a new option which is do, do you want the minimal install? And it describes the minimal install as, you know,
the desktop and utilities and browser only.
That, and...
Oh, yeah.
I mean, now when you're combining, like, lightweight Mate with a minimal install,
so it's just Firefox, basic desktop tools, core utilities,
no VLC, no Thunderbird, no calculator?
Well, the calculator's part of the core Marte desktop.
Of course.
You get that.
Yeah, you need that.
So, you know, you get the file manager and the text editor
and the document viewer and the image viewer.
Yeah, that makes sense.
But you don't get LibreOffice.
You don't get Thunderbird.
You don't get VLC.
You don't get Rhythmbox.
You know, all of that extra stuff, you don't get rhythm box you know all of that extra stuff you don't get transmission you know
so everything additional to the the core desktop is effectively removed so you get a very trim
simple system and you know i was thinking to myself you know who would who would use this
and why would you use it and i've heard a few people say oh well you know i like to
you know curate my own desktop experience i know what applications i want so they would want that
but i was thinking to myself how would i use it and i was thinking well i've got one machine that
i use specifically for gaming now and i would choose the minimal option on that machine.
So I just get the base stuff and then I can slap Steam on top of that. And I've just got a real trim machine for running Steam, or you could create your own Kodi boxes, you know, in a similar,
in a similar way as well. Yeah, I do like that. I was just thinking too, like you could absolutely
see it as a, excuse me, as a workstation OS, it as a workstation OS where maybe you go to work and you install Slack and you have to install Chrome and maybe even Skype and all of these things that just are kind of – I don't know.
They're just applications now that you can snap install or go get –
Have a real minimal base or you'll get the devs yeah the software boutique
actually makes some of that easier on on on mate but yeah i could yeah i really like that because
i'm generally going to a bunch of mate for a minimal lean lean mean fighting machine yeah
but what it retains is all of the underlying hardware support so anything you need for your
network devices to function that's all still included anything you need for
bluetooth and audio that's all still included so it's just that that layer of applications on the
top but it's down to each um flavor maintainer to choose what they want to remove so there's no
prescribed list um my the list in ubuntu mate is different than the list in ubuntu for example
um and so it means that i think there's a question the question that's coming up uh before we go too
far off that is uh how is this different than an install script that just uh just is like a
different set of packages to install how is this different than an install script is essentially
what the chat room is asking in irc how it's different from an install where it's the opposite
of an install script it's an uninstalled script essentially i like that yeah because it's an image
that's getting deployed to the hard drive right it's getting so based on the live environment
yeah so the image that's on the iso there is a squash fs file system and that is effectively
put on your hard disk and then at the end of that
process there are already some packages that get removed the installer itself for example so
ubiquity the installer removes itself as part of the cleanup of the installation so what this
minimal install does is it tacks itself on to that piece of the code that's already there to build out a bigger list of what should be removed.
And then it rattles through that list and removes anything that the maintainer has identified as this is stuff you don't need in a minimal install.
Okay.
Interesting.
That makes sense.
So it's the opposite of an
install script and um this will be landing in 1804 so it's already essentially the work's done right
it landed in the daily images yesterday so yeah so it's there it's just down to each of the flavors
now to create their minimal remove file in their seeds and then they can take advantage of that function as well well that's
that's really great um it's it's funny that we're just getting to it now don't you think
in a way like why haven't we had this for years it's interesting because before i worked at
canonical i did some work with the zubuntu team where we were trying to achieve precisely this because we wanted
minimal installations and in fact Zubuntu make their own set of I think they call them core
images available and have done for a couple of years now where they effectively have an ISO
which is the minimal ISO so it's you, you know, what I've just described,
but already packed in an ISO.
And we did some work to try and land that in a way that everyone could have two ISOs.
So you could have an Ubuntu Mate,
I think we called them base,
an Ubuntu Mate base ISO and the full fat ISO.
And for reasons people were busy,
that never got any traction and now you know now we
have this which is i think quite an elegant solution because now there's still one iso to
download but you can use it in two ways so did this did this ball get rolling from what you
probably understand because i know it's not directly work that you were involved in uh
did rocks probably better to ask but did this get started based on some of the feedback that people like people i like chrome or i prefer mpv and so is this sort of a is this sort of a middle
ground i think you're well connected with did rocks and you should ask him that question because
i don't know the origin story of of how this came to be because it is funny that it's just showing
up now in 1804 i mean i'm thankful for it uh but uh i think this to a degree is why is probably why
some people have chosen other distributions i'm sure not by a very large percentage but i bet
there's people in our audience that have decided to go a different route just because of the package
selection i mean that was what drove people to ubuntu too at the same time yeah and you've got
both options now you know those people that like like a a very specific desktop experience can can do that you know for some
people all you actually need is the minimal install because you can do everything in a
browser you've basically created a chromebook at that point yeah and now you can install containers
and or applications and containers and that's all sick sickle sickle or whatever it is circular
sickle what is it what am i looking for wes cyclical cyclical that's what it is, circular, secular. What is it? What am I looking for, Wes? Cyclical. Cyclical.
That's what it is, cyclical.
You got there yourself.
Well, Wimpy, thank you for telling us all about that.
You know me, I just love hearing about that.
I hope other people do too
because even if you're not an Ubuntu Monte user,
I think this stuff is fascinating
because right here I'm sitting on a Plasma Neon desktop,
but yet this I love hearing about.
I love the thought behind it and all of it,
so I really always appreciate
when you come on here and tell us all that stuff.
You're welcome.
I don't know if anybody out there has had a chance to try katie and live
recently a lot of people ask about video editing still we get a lot of questions and i i just sort
of i kind of punt and i punt and i punt but um it's getting legitimate with katie and live and
uh i'd like to know people who are doing actual serious amounts of video editing under linux like
you know like ven stone who edits you know I think he's doing two shows a week
under Linux, but I think he uses OpenShot, like an old version of OpenShot, because he's
a madman, Ven.
That's crazy.
You're a madman.
So I'd like to know if somebody like Ven, or there's probably not as many people that
do as much editing as he does, but on a regular basis are putting out complex, long content
on Linux.
Have you tried the new Cadian Live?
Because this to me is hitting a lot of what draws me to Final Cut.
And this is getting, I don't know, maybe it's also the fact, probably it's a bit of the
fact that I've been on a plasma kick recently too.
And this is a cute application.
So it also looks really great on my desktop.
But I downloaded the app image.
Yes, it's an app image.
So you can, it's kind of a
convoluted process. I will link to the fastest way for you to get the app image because they don't
just link to it directly. They make you attend this cafe session and you can find a link to a
text file that has a list of the mirrors, which will then land you on this page that I have found.
So I will link this to you if you want to try it and give me feedback because I'm going to experiment a little bit with it,
but I'm honestly just not doing as much video as I was in the past. So I'm not the best candidate,
but it looks like a super great release. One of the things that I really like about KDN Live is
they have this really steady approach. And they've been like on this, we do like, so for example,
And they've been like on this – we do – like so for example, 17.12 series has just been constant solid, fix this little thing, solve this bug, come up with a solution for that, minor bug fix stuff.
And so you can just say, well, I'm on this branch.
That's what I get.
And I really like that about that too. So 1804 is the next version, which I don't think is necessarily synced up to any Ubuntu number, but it's sort of that same versioning system.
And they are working out the rough edges right now.
They've published it as an app image, which I'll link to.
And if you're out there and want to give them some feedback, if I was going to bet on a horse right now for getting really good approachable video editing on desktop Linux as much as I respect Jonathan
and all the hard continuing work he's doing into
OpenShot over the years. The horse
I would bet on right now is
KDN Live. Not Lightworks
not all of
the other ones that we send in. It's looking really nice.
It's KDN Live. Yeah there's a lot of different ones
there's like a clip editor one you know
but it's just yeah. So anyways
if you want to help what I think is potentially our best hope for good video editing.
And we need one.
Yeah.
I just – it's called – the link in the show notes will be called KDE Experience Freedom with an exclamation mark.
KDE-Experience Freedom with an exclamation mark.
That's the link to look for because that's the typical kind of communication you get from the KDE group out there.
They just – they're not so good with the way they phrase things or the – that kind of – I love them.
It sounds like you haven't invested in freedom enough over there.
I know.
I know.
I need to invest in –
Go with the program.
I need to invest in freedom as their website tells me and I need to experience freedom with an exclamation mark.
I'm feeling pretty free right now.
I do appreciate that about it.
I do appreciate that.
That may be the new air freshener, but I don't think so.
I'm feeling pretty, pretty free.
So we'll have that linked in the show notes if you want to check that out.
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Alright, you crazy sons of bitches.
I can't be dragged around like
this anymore. Ooh, we're going to talk about
this.
So I asked this really stupid question last week.
Well, actually, it started when I asked the question, would you like to switch
to Discord? And everybody said yes. And now
here we are.
What? Three, four months into this thing?
Maybe a little more than that? Six months? I don't know.
I don't know. It feels like ages.
It feels like it's been 25 years.
And I actually don't mind Discord.
I've also been hanging out
in other communities. And you know what I like is the communities that don't have to waffle like this.
That's what I like.
It's just you don't waffle.
You don't move it.
You just invest and you build.
And every time I feel like we change direction, you spill off some people.
You also gain new people.
So it's got its pros and its cons.
But we went out to a vote and we said, should we switch from Discord back to IRC or just hang tight, stick it out with Discord for the long haul?
And each has its pros and cons.
IRC's – well, it's like plumbing at this point.
It's pretty universal and it's a classic.
Like it's just like – amongst our community, it's got a bit of a barrier of entry to people outside the open source community, but it's a staple in the open source community.
Now, Discord has the advantage of a network effect.
It also has a bunch of other fancy features that are more modern, like they just have their own mobile client and they support emojis and embedded imagery and Twitter previews and all this stuff.
All the fanciness.
Yeah.
That if you were to say drop down on the planet today in 2018 and try to join a community, you would just kind of expect that they might just be able to do this.
They might just have this.
So I wasn't really sure what to do. We were thinking behind the scenes, promatically, that it would be easier for some of the things
we want to automate if it was IRC, because
we're still trying to come up with this perfect
cloud OBS setup where we would
ingest an IRC stream and automatically
generate a video and send that out
on the video stream and all of that.
But it just doesn't seem
like that would be super easy to do with Discord. It would be pretty easy
to do with IRC.
So the vote went out, and it was pretty clear IRC by a 79% vote and Discord had a 21% vote.
We're not talking hundreds of numbers here, but that's a, you know, usually that's how it sticks.
Those are usually pretty indicative. Representative, I believe, would be the term. So that's a 79% win right there.
That's huge.
I mean, that's a big margin of win for IRC.
That's big.
People have spoken, I suppose.
The thing is, if we go back to IRC, we go back and we just –
Right.
Like does the discord just die?
Is it left to wither?
What –
Well, I don't think you've got to shut it down. I mean the main thing I'm thinking about is like if you want to – it's like the primary chat room.
So it's what's on the live stream.
It's where people idle the most or are they having an active conversation.
I don't know.
I don't have answers to that.
I don't like any of this, but I want to do what the audience likes in this regard because it's it's a tool for them so virtual lug you guys uh you guys get first say since you're
here you're in the voice chat you you get first say does anybody have a strong opinion on this
one way or the other i'd love to hear some input on this because i'm really i really I just want to use whatever people like yeah well well to me I would see the
discord is like the um I would say the reddit chat version reddit chat versus the rc being the
live stream and also since there are very few since there are very few people who go to the
live stream to participate i mean there
are more people that are coming in a day week at months and years to come such as myself that came
in recently but it's i would say irc would fill that niche pretty well with the live stream and
plus there are some clients that do support some of the newer features that you mentioned so
yeah all right well i'm gonna leave the vote up for a little bit longer
while I think about it I'm not in a huge
rush to do anything I got to go to scale but
it's on my mind I want to do what people like
so you know
meanwhile the telegram group is going solid so
yeah they're off in their own universe
that is good really that's kind of a nice thing
that's just like something we don't care
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All right, Wes.
Well, that's not actually what we're.
No, it's not.
I guess that's on my mind.
Like I said, this is a meandering episode.
It's on everyone's mind.
Let's talk about Crankshaft.
This is pretty, pretty great.
Now, I'm going to I'll play a little bit of the demo for you.
Just I'm going to do a couple of bits of it because it's a little rough.
But just to give you an idea of what it's like.
So you download this image.
You write it to the SD card.
You toss it in your Raspberry Pi.
You hook up the $60 touchscreen.
Okay, so in this video, I just want to talk real quick
about the capability of open auto and how it's working in the alpha version of
crankshaft right now and let's start this is just a raspberry pi 3b and so he goes through and demos
the functionality of this thing in it once he gets it up and running, it just looks like Android Auto completely
with your playback controls, your Google Now cards.
It's communicating with his Android device.
He just makes a phone call through it.
He can see the battery life of his phone.
He can use navigation maps.
It looks pretty handy.
It actually, there he's using Pocket Cast
to listen to Radiolab.
I kind of want to do this in my truck.
You know what I'm talking about because my screen is all screwed up.
Yeah, I mean you're a perfect candidate for it.
I know.
I know.
If somebody has any experience with this, you got to let me know because I'm tempted to do this.
We just need the touchscreen.
I need the screen.
Yeah, I need to pick up the screen.
And then, you know, then you'd have to figure out a way to install the dash, which is not my strength, I got to say.
But it's called Crankshaft, and that was a developer there who you heard in the video.
It's a project just by him.
It's just his thing.
And it's admittedly alpha, but come on.
It's going to be pretty cool.
I think Android Auto is fairly baked, and it's using, I think, Raspbian for the distribution.
And there's a pretty active amount of people on the GitHub talking to me about it.
It's nice to be able to play in that space at all and maybe even have a system that actually works and could be useful.
Yeah, and the main thing that I wanted to avoid with something like this was – and I was thinking like a carputer.
I've been thinking about that for a couple of months. So I haven't really, really, the only reason I didn't go with a carputer is in the couple of months that I've
been sort of debating what to do, I have found that I am perfectly happy just doing everything
on my phone and having it go through the Bluetooth audio. And I don't really need my radio because
I'm not listening to radio. And I don't listen to anything through because I'm not listening to radio.
And I don't listen to anything through the radio other than my phone now.
So I thought, well, could I just get by with the phone?
But the thing that this offers is, A, your phone is still usable.
But, B, it puts it up on a bigger screen with more limited functionality.
It's focused for when you're driving and for, like, the navigation and the messages and stuff like that.
I think I would prefer that. And the ability to do search and stuff so hello there who was that who was that dang uh now would you prefer a a uh a carputer with a touch screen or would you prefer
one of those laptop uh mounts mounts like you have in a police cruiser that would be the way that would be the way noah would go noah's got one of those it does be fun like one of those laptop mounts. Like you have in a police cruiser. That would be the way Noah would go.
Noah's got one of those in his Jeep.
That does seem fun.
Like one of those cop laptop mounts.
God, Noah's such a gearhead.
Man, you know what?
I tell you what.
I don't know.
I feel like that's too fiddly.
See, that's what I'm liking about the Android Auto here
on the Raspberry Pi.
If you could get it mounted well,
it could be out of the way in the dash.
It's like a distilled user interface
that's simplified for while you're driving.
It's less cluttered. And going to laptops, kind of like
the opposite direction of that.
Go ahead.
I mean, you can use the Android Auto
app to simulate this in order to get
a feel for the Android Auto interface.
Ah, yeah. That's another
thing. Really, I already have the Raspberry Pi
3, I think. Isn't there one around here
somewhere? There is one around here, unless it got put into use somewhere so i already have that part i just
need the screen and then it's sort of a low cost test it's pretty great that this guy is oh by the
way that is getcrankshaft.com i should have said the url sooner sorry about that getcrankshaft.com
is where you go uh if anybody is going to scale scale 16x let me know if you've got something
like that down there because I want to see it.
If you bring your car, let me see it.
I want to see that.
That would be pretty cool.
I want to give a quick mention too.
Speaking of scale, I've been talking about scale in the new relaunch tech talk today.
I mentioned that last week.
We've now posted two freaking episodes since last week's Linux Unplugged.
Yeah.
And there's some nostalgia goodness if you're a Linux Action Show former listener.
There's some nostalgia goodness in episode 262.
Tech Talk dot today was where you find those.
Tech Talk dot today.
And I'll be covering my journey to scale in that crap up in that S, as they say.
I'm really happy with the way those two episodes have turned out.
It's been a bit of a creative endeavor, but I've enjoyed it. And it's
gotten an itch. I had
that rash right there I wanted to scratch,
so I've been able to scratch that. It always feels good. Yeah, and
it gives me a spot to put a bunch of content and scale,
like the trip there and meeting people and all that stuff.
And we get Tech Talk back for a brief
little minute here. For at least 10 episodes.
So season one, and we were two episodes
in, so if you haven't gotten on board yet,
they're shorter, too. They're about 20 minutes, so go to techtalk.today. Really easy, yeah. Ride this hype train with us. Easy pe one, and then we were two episodes in. So if you haven't gotten on board yet, they're shorter, too. They're about 20 minutes.
So go to techtalk.today.
Really easy, yeah.
Ride this hype train with us.
Easy peasy.
And even if you want to catch up on two, it's a 40-minute podcast, and it's nice and tight.
I hope people like it.
I hope people like it because I'm going to put all I can into it for the 10 episodes I'm going to do,
and then I'm going to take a break, and I'm going to be done, and that's going to be wonderful.
Wimpy has inspired me.
You've taught me well, Wimpy.
And the value of this is negative.
No, it's not.
You're welcome.
I appreciate it.
I appreciate it.
That's a seasoned idea.
Only I may never come back, I think.
Right, yeah.
That might be the...
My twist might be, last time I put the show on hold, it was on hold for two years, so...
You never can tell.
You never know.
You never know.
All right, well, guess what?
We're just about done here.
We've been we've been we've been screwing around here.
But this is just our low key episode before I go to scale.
So next week I will be at scale with Noah and I'm pretty sure we'll just do the show live from there.
We'll just do a regular episode, but we'll happen to be at scale.
I don't know if we'll have a few interviews or something.
If we get something good, we'll put it in the show.
So you'll be here.
Yeah.
Wes is going to come into studio and try to run all this crap on your own.
Good luck with that.
Jeez Louise.
We'll probably have an episode.
Let's just say that.
We'll be down there throwing our crap together while you're in here trying to remember how to turn all this stuff back on.
And one way or another, we should end up with a show next week.
Speaking of shows coming back, rumor has it the Ubuntu podcast is coming back.
So go get more wimpy.
That's exciting. Yep. Ubuntu podcast is coming back, so go get more Wimpy.
That's exciting.
Yep, the Ubuntu podcast is on the return.
The rumor is true.
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Bye. Thank you. All right, let's get a title.
No, let's get out of here.
Oh, a title.
Yeah, we got to get a title.
But Gatsda gets the titles.
Today, huh?
Today, baby. Hello, Eric. gets the titles. Today, huh?
Hello, Eric.
That's awesome.
Is your weed extraction process done over there?
Did it all work out?
Dude, seriously.
When you guys started talking about the carputer stuff, I totally could jump in because I have one.
You're in a windstorm over there. Then a leaf blower came by.
Yeah, nice.
Well, you know, that's what happens.
That's what happens.
Oh, the windstorm.
That's my furnace. Oh, the windstorm. That's my furnace.
The smell of free breeze.
That's pretty good, TechMav, but probably a little too esoteric.
What do you got?
Anybody else got a title?
What else do we got?
KDE Freedom?
Oh, no.
Scanning.
Indications negative.
Hmm.
Crankshaft. Accessing. Scanning. accessing scanning scanning crankshaft i have a tech talk today question yes sir um the feeds that i found in pocketcast
for tech talk today aren't being updated have you checked them recently because they had a bug on
their server side thing with the feed. Okay, let me try again.
Yeah, that would be no good.
I just Googled the, I just Googled for Tech Talk Today and went to the one that's listed on the website.
Yeah, if you want to just put it in, it's just techtalk.today.com.
If you want to just put it in.
By the way, nice new logo.
With the feet?
Well, I mean, it's different than the one you had last time.
Yeah, a little tweaked, yeah.
Fascinating.
Hmm.
Yep.
Yabey titles, yabey titles.
Got to constantly iterate.
Not much there on Yabey titles.
Oh, there's a little more.
There's a little more.
Crank that Foss shaft.
Crank shaft on the move.
Can we GTK all live together?
I have the power.
People are reaching deep this week.
People are reaching deep.
I appreciate it.
I appreciate it.
People are reaching deep.
Easy Linux, small and cool.
Bad news, Chris.
What's that?
It says it's from September years ago.
Hmm.
I don't know what's going on with that.
Now, what if you put in
techtalk.today slash rss?
Does it pull down a new...
Does the old rss still show
the old logo, Wimpy?
Yeah.
Okay.
Usually Pocket Cast is very
up-to-date when it comes to logos and all that. Pocket Cast? I very up to date when it comes to
logos and all that.
Pocket Cast?
Whoa.
Hot day.
Holy shit.
Maybe that's what he was going for.
Is that Noah?
Noah sounds terrible.
I thought
my audio was bad.
He's also operating a woodchipper at the moment.
He's probably just got too much...
The updated CSS is...
RSS is just fine, but...
But the old...
I got to talk to him.
We actually...
We talked...
We had a...
So that was an issue.
We talked to him.
We said, okay, we got it fixed now.
And then the person that we were working with said it was working.
But I don't actually use Pocket Cast myself, so I'm installing it right now.
Although, by the way, there's actually a newer app that I would recommend to people who are not on Pocket Cast yet.
It's called CastBox.
It seems to be...
Jesus, Noah.
Noah, you stop.
You're ruining my post show. Here, let me hit stop on the recording. You just destroyed my post show.
Let me hit stop on the recording.
You just destroyed my post show.