LINUX Unplugged - Episode 238: It's All Wimpy's Fault | LUP 238

Episode Date: February 28, 2018

Linux apps are coming to ChromeOS via containers, Fedora is going for better battery life & what is going on with Xfce?Plus Ubuntu MATE’s cool new tick & we take a look at crankshaft: raspberry pi +... android auto + free software + love.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I present you the perfect pet. It is OpenCat. It's a GPL3, highly programmable and maneuverable robotic cat that's powered by AI and 3D printing with a Raspberry Pi for extra flavor. Well, isn't that neat? Oh, they got a video. Should we roll the live dice?
Starting point is 00:00:20 Let's check it out. Okay, here we go. Is it creepy or cute? That's what we want to know. The OpenCat demo. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. all the live dice check it out okay here we go is it creepy or cute that's what we want to know the open cat demo oh boy oh boy so it's crawling it looks like a kid's robotic toy it does yeah um it does have the ability to get itself back up when it gets knocked over that'll be useful here's version two you know i gotta say version two is looking a lot better they're really uh they're really committed to this thing wes they're really committed to this thing i mean it is pretty pretty impressive now i don't know that i want to have it like around my
Starting point is 00:00:52 house if i didn't yeah didn't build it but right or when you're sleeping would you always make sure to turn it off i mean think about that for a second do you want some robot cat ramp because a real cat they roam around the house at night. You can respect the project here on this. Maybe you could turn it into like a robo cat security droid. Maybe mount a laser on there. Oh, yeah. This is Linux Unplugged, episode weekly Linux talk show that is covered in barbecue and been cleaning up dog poo. My name is Chris.
Starting point is 00:01:39 My name is Wes. It's one of those pre-shows, Wes, good and bad. We made it, we're here. Yeah. The show must go on. We fired up the barbecue pre-show for the first time and bad. We made it. We're here. The show must go on. We fired up the barbecue pre-show for the first time. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:01:49 The grill. For the first time. And we had to feed ourselves to prepare our bodies to cover all of the community news that we've got this week. I feel like this should be a nice, calm, relaxing Linux Unplugged that we'll wander through before I head off to scale. I need something low-key because the next week... Take it easy, recharge. It's going to be crazy. It's going to be crazy going down to Pasadena, California.
Starting point is 00:02:12 So we're going to go through just a few bits, a couple of apps, some nice community news, an update on XFCE. Did you know there actually is some progress on the XFCE desktop? Yes. Yes, they're nearly to GTK3. We'll tell you all about that, their current status. Our buddy Wimpy's here with a pretty cool option for Ubuntu Mate installers for 18.04 coming up. And the crew over at KDM Live has a killer new release that's in the works
Starting point is 00:02:38 that might just give Final Cut a run for its money. Oh! Yeah. Then we'll check in on that poll about dropping Discord and switching back to IRC, see what the results were, and then, Wes, it's time to bring a little freedom to your vehicle. Finally! I've been debating this myself. Should I get one of them
Starting point is 00:02:54 like, you know, Android Auto dashes? Because my radio needs to be replaced as bad. And I'm like, yeah, maybe I'll do that, but then I don't want to be locked into like one particular hardware vendor, and they're probably not going to update it properly, and it's probably going to be underpowered. So I've never really pulled the trigger on like upgrading my car sound system. But friends, if you wait long enough, the open source community always provides a solution. So this week we're going to talk about
Starting point is 00:03:18 Crankshaft, which is a turnkey Linux distribution for the Raspberry Pi that transforms it into an Android Auto headset. All you need is a Raspberry Pi 3 board and the official Raspberry Pi 7-inch touchscreen, which is like $60. And then you got a turnkey Linux distro. We'll tell you about it. Yeah. Have you heard of Crankshaft, Wes? No, I have not. Well, you will hear more about it coming up. But let's start with some community news. This has been sort of leaking out in bits and details here and there. Corbin Davenport over at AndroidPolice.com writes that it looks like Chrome OS may soon be able to run Linux applications in a container. Of course, you're probably thinking, well, why does it have to do in a container?
Starting point is 00:04:03 Chrome OS is based on Linux. Well, I'm sure it's many reasons, security being one of them. It looks like this is coming from some documentation that's leaked out. And if you go to Chrome Unbox, they have a Chrome OS developer who uploaded two screenshots of the container feature and what it'll look like. You should get a pop-up that comes up with a description that says, would you like to develop on your Chromebook? You can run your favorite Linux apps in command line tools seamlessly and securely. And then it gives you a couple of prompts to install terminal. Ooh, look at that. I like that.
Starting point is 00:04:33 Reminds me of the subsystem for Linux. It's like a freedom box right there. Doesn't this kind of remind you? Yeah. It's like Google's answer to the subsystem for Linux on Windows for Chrome OS. Does that make sense? It's like they're trying to the subsystem for Linux on Windows for Chrome OS. Does that make sense? It's like they're trying to be competitive with that feature on Windows. Well, I mean, it kind of targets that splits the difference.
Starting point is 00:04:50 You can still have a simple platform for most end users, but, you know, your developers or other people that need a little bit extra, that option's there. Is it actually usable, though? That would really be my question. That's a good question. You know, are Chromebooks fast enough? I don't know. Let's ask the Mumble Room. Time-appropriate greetings there, Mumble Room. Welcome to the show, question. That's a good question. Are Chromebooks fast enough? I don't know. Let's ask the Mumble Room. Time-appropriate greetings there, Mumble
Starting point is 00:05:05 Room. Welcome to the show, guys. G'day. Hello. Snuck it in there. You didn't know when I was going to do it, did you? I surprised you. Get it out of here. So, Wimby, what do you think of this? Do you think this would actually make Chromebooks a viable solution? The thing that crossed
Starting point is 00:05:21 my mind is students. Like, my son has a Chromebook provided by his school. I think anything that enables people to experiment with Linux in an accessible way is a good thing, particularly for students. Yeah. And I could see too, like if you, you know, if you've got a limited budget or whatever, or it's like, again, it's, it's provided, it just sort of opens up a whole new range of functionality. And I wonder what the limits will be. That's really going to be the question. You know, how far will Google let you take this? What are they going to make available?
Starting point is 00:05:51 Is it only just going to be a couple of things? Terminal is interesting. That makes sense. That's a big start, yeah. And then if it's all contained, they don't have to worry about you mucking around with Chrome OS. So check that out. We'll have a link in the show notes.
Starting point is 00:06:01 Anybody else in the mom room, if you have anything to add, if you're a Chromebook user, I'd be particularly interested. But I'm not a Chrome OS user. I am still reluctantly an Evernote user. And there's, I don't know, how many different Evernote clients or Evernote alternatives or Evernote killers that we have covered on this show. But we have one more. One more because the question still comes in. And if you're like me, you're still stuck with this thing, especially when you travel. It's called Tusk. It's an Evernote client. And it seems to actually connect to the Evernote backend. It's also available as a Snap. They say they've improved integration with Linux.
Starting point is 00:06:43 That seems like a good thing. That's great it has some markdown sheet support I haven't tried it myself because I still haven't decided if I'm going to just quit Evernote cold turkey or not but it does look pretty compelling
Starting point is 00:06:58 and Joey over at OMG Ubuntu wrote a pretty good write up that kind of makes me want to give it a go again it looks good it actually looks if you look at the video, it actually looks better than the official Evernote client. So, I don't, you know, this is almost Tusk is almost taking to the point where
Starting point is 00:07:14 it's like, I don't even want Evernote to, I don't even need them to. This looks even better than what they're... Done. Done, I'm good. And it's just a snap away. Just a freaking snap away. Have you tried it, Wimpy? It's a snap. I mean, aren't you obligated to try all snaps in the contract? Actually, Popey's been working on that one. So I've not installed that one yet.
Starting point is 00:07:33 But then again, I don't use Evernote. Yeah, you have to be in Evernote. So I've got no real need to. Good on you for avoiding that trap. I got into it. It's like poison. When mobile was brand new. And I just assumed they'd eventually get something for Linux, and I regret that decision.
Starting point is 00:07:53 But damn if it doesn't have some of the best OCR features. Like when I'm traveling, I can take pictures of signs of places that I need to note for show reference or just for travel purposes. That is extremely valuable for me. So maybe Tusk will solve that. We'll see. Maybe I'll give it a go once I get back because I'm probably going to end up using Evernote on my phone while I'm traveling. It almost always happens. You know, reservation stuff. It's just easy.
Starting point is 00:08:11 It's there. It works. I tell you what, Wes. I tell you what. Let's talk about something else, something to pick me back up, improving laptop battery life. This is some work that the Fedora project has been putting in. life. This is some work that the Fedora project has been putting in and they've outlined some of the ways
Starting point is 00:08:26 that they're trying to enable various hardware power saving features by default in Fedora. So one of the things that they're implementing, and maybe we're going to see this in other distributions too, I would assume, but right now Fedora's the one that's talking about it. They're going to make a new saddle link power management policy which actually mirrors the
Starting point is 00:08:41 Windows defaults. Surprisingly, surprisingly is often a good way to go when it comes to some of this hardware power management stuff. Enable Intel HDA codec power saving by default with a one-second timeout, which saves 0.4 watts of power on an idle laptop. That's a huge amount, really. And by the way, the saddling power management
Starting point is 00:08:59 could save up to 1.5 watts of power on an idle laptop. Sweet deal. That's a big deal right there. And then enable USB auto-suspend for USB Bluetooth receivers by default. We'll see how that goes. Which could also save 0.4 watts. And I like that they actually put numbers on this stuff. When you add all that up, though,
Starting point is 00:09:19 it could be a pretty decent battery savings on Fedora, which could really kind of make the distro stand out. And I like that they're enunciating all of the stuff they're doing over here on the wiki. Yeah, that stuff takes tuning, and so it's nice to be explicit about it. Look at this, too. They have this table, I guess,
Starting point is 00:09:37 of the SATA PowerLink management policy changes testing, and so they have, like, Dell laptops and HP laptops and Lenovo laptops and Asus Zenbooks on here as well. And it's legit. It is really – it's pretty legitimate. So they have comparisons before and after. So let me – I'll just pick out.
Starting point is 00:09:54 Let's like say the ThinkPad T400, for example, using an SSD. Before their tweaks on idle, it was sitting there taking 13.6 watts of power. After their tweaks, which will just be enabled by default, idle, it drops to 11.8. So it goes from 13.6 to 11.8 watts. And that could really translate into more minutes on a battery. And some of the changes are less dramatic. Some of them are even more dramatic. Some of them are even more dramatic some of them are barely noticeable one of them that
Starting point is 00:10:25 kind of jumps out at me is the elite book the hp elite book uh 8 5 40 w uh it goes from 18.8 to 17.9 you know a point actually it's a it's decent actually they're all they're all noticeable they're none of them are actually anything to scoff at um they're all saving all take, that's for sure. They tried on the Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon second gen. They tried to enable some of the Satellink power management stuff and it produced data corruption. Whoopsie. Whoa.
Starting point is 00:10:55 That's a nice thing to know about. So don't go just playing with this stuff, maybe. You know? Don't go just trying that on your own distro to see if it's going to... Or at least not with data you care about. But it'd be really interesting to run Fedora 28 on a laptop and then run 27 and see if I could actually just
Starting point is 00:11:10 perceive a difference. Not have to measure, but can I just perceive it? Yeah, does it feel different to the end user? Yeah. And what's nice about this is it doesn't require a bunch of crazy software they have to pre-install. It's not requiring a whole bunch of new packages on the ISO. Just some new good defaults.
Starting point is 00:11:27 Yeah. And people will talk about, hey, if you want great battery life, use Fedora for at least a little while. So that'll be good for them, too. You just said it right there. So now people are saying it. It's being said. It's being said.
Starting point is 00:11:39 There's some great news, too, for those of you that instead of installing Fedora 28 are going to be installing Ubuntu 18.04. But we're just talking about the future releases here, aren't we? On Ubuntu 18.04, it appears that you will now be able to switch Snap Package channels. I'm probably screwing that up a little bit. But my layman's understanding is one of the features of Snap Packages is that you can have like a beta channel and a release channel and now the gnome software app or i think it's just called software will let you choose which channel you want to subscribe to i think i'm getting that all right wimby do you want to
Starting point is 00:12:16 errata any of that yeah yeah you've got that about right so um by default there are four channels there's stable which is self-explanatory. Candidate, which is where developers will put their release candidates. Betas for betas. And edge, which is typically what you'd hook up to your CI system. So after every commit or your daily or nightly builds, they would all land in edge. So you can do your integration testing. integration testing and now what you can do in gnome software in 1804 is when you look at the details for a snap in software center it tell it has a label there for the track or rather the
Starting point is 00:12:55 channel that it's currently installed from which by and large would be stable and if you click on that it will produce a list of the other channels that are available to you so if you want to test the current beta or you want to get the latest crack from edge then you can switch that and switch those channels but what it also enables you to do is some of the people that are publishing in the store are using tracks which are in addition to those channels so for example um jet brains have their early access program so you can access the early access versions of all of their products through their eap track and likewise with skype you can access their insiders builds so if you want to test out the really really latest stuff then you can also switch to those tracks through gnome software as well now that is that is really cool that jet brains is doing that um the the aspect that i like
Starting point is 00:14:00 about it from an end user's perspective is it's tidier when i search for a for an app because instead of getting three or four entries for slack or mumble it's just one entry and then i can i can tack on which channel i want what during the installation it's clear what level of risk you're prepared to take as a user yeah and so um if i say do an edge release of something, that doesn't necessarily mean it's containerized or not, it's sandboxed or not. It could be an edge release and still be sandboxed? Correct. Okay. The edge is just – they're just labels. Just the release.
Starting point is 00:14:41 Yeah. Yeah, they're just labels. So it's whatever the developer feels comfortable inputting in those channels what is the terminology for one that isn't sandbox is it legacy or what's the term that when you're doing installs there's classic which is it's without any confinement and then there is also dev mode which you can't publish in the stable channel. Right. And dev mode is kind of a reduced confinement model whilst you're iterating on your snap and scaffolding it together. Classic, I think, is what I was thinking of. And so now you don't even have to worry about what was the syntax or how do I add it to the install command.
Starting point is 00:15:21 Now it'll just be exposed via the GUI for users installing software, which is great. Yeah, it makes it seem much more first class. Yeah, so that way when you know it's available, like I just did, but I couldn't quite remember the syntax, that's perfect for that. That's where that kind of stuff is really nice. And is that, do you know, an upstream thing, Wimpy?
Starting point is 00:15:37 Or is that unique to Ubuntu? It's part of the Snap plugin for Gnome software. Ah, oh, of course. So it's implemented at the plugin level. That's great. That is. That actually is, that actually, you know, you've got to say, GNOME software is actually keeping up. Like when it was thought up, we weren't talking to Flatpaks and Snaps, were we?
Starting point is 00:15:58 And in the past, I could have seen that having to be completely revamped. I'm not going to say it's my favorite way to install software or find software or even look at software, but I got to give them credit for the fact that they haven't had to throw out the entire thing, you know, to support Flatfish. That's an open source win. Yay for plugins, I guess. All right, Wes, I know you're not a big XFCE user. Have you ever been an XFCE? Oh, yeah, back in the day, for sure.
Starting point is 00:16:25 Oh, that's nice. I was too. It's been probably five years now. Yeah, same. Yeah, I'd say it's been about five years. Yeah, I actually used it quite a bit for a while. And it's kind of almost, it's a meme in a way in the Linux community about how long it takes for XFCE to
Starting point is 00:16:41 ship. And they've been working on 4.14, I think, for three years. And the big part of 4.14 is the transition to GTK3. And don't think of XFCE as one monolithic thing either. Think of it as a set of many different software components. Like you have Thunar for the file management. You have the window manager. You have the panels. You have the settings daemon. You have the power manager,
Starting point is 00:17:08 the session initializer itself. And then, of course, you have the XF Desktop, which is the program that's responsible for managing desktop icons and backgrounds. So there's lots of sub components. It goes on, actually. There's more. There's lots of other components. And 4.14 has really been a process of porting everything to gtk3 plus instead of gtk2 and using gdbus instead of dbus lib and then using symbolic icons for all the panel plugins and removing depreciated widgets from code you know old old crap in the code and as they've moved along they've made some good progress they have have ported many things to GTK3, including Thunar, the file manager and the panel and the power settings and the settings manager itself and the desktop session manager. even have maintainers like the calendar application or the archive manager or the cd burning application or the volume control so there's a few things that just they're not even like getting started yet
Starting point is 00:18:13 um so that's that's a bit rough there's 118 open bugs in xf desktop 119 in xf xfce4 session 206 in xfce4 settings, and it goes on. So they're behind here. And I think what my concern is, is you're dealing with 15 contributors, essentially, who are working on their free time to port these projects, to get them ready. And there's no real big corporate interest in XFCE. There's no Red Hat or Canonical or SUSE behind XFCE.
Starting point is 00:18:47 And there's not any real big major distro that's even shipping it as its default desktop. So they're kind of like an underdog here. It is just a passion project for these people. And there's no escaping the elephant in the room that is GTK4.
Starting point is 00:19:03 I mean, it's getting close. By the time they get XFCE 4.14 out, GTK4 could really be close to stable. And then they have to start again. I don't know if it's going to be the same amount of work, but that's to say nothing of Wayland support. Yeah, I mean,
Starting point is 00:19:19 XFCE has a lot, there's a lot going on. It's not, you know, it has a lot of functionality as a desktop. It's not a bad desktop. I's not, you know, it has a lot of functionality as a desktop. It's not a bad desktop. I'm sure there's a sizable code base to port. Yeah. It's hard for a project like that. It really is tough.
Starting point is 00:19:35 And I know that we have folks in the audience that love it. You know, Joe from Linux Action News and Late Night Linux, it's his number one driver. And I've used it myself. I mean, the pace is concerning does it but the it's nice to at least see some details of the process that it is it seems like they have at least semi-structured way to go about doing it and so work does progress yeah yeah anybody in the mumble room a uh an xfce occasional user or a full-time user i'm'm betting no. Yeah. I don't use the desktop per se. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:07 But I do, I use XFCE4 Terminal. Yeah, that's great for that. A couple of the labs. Yeah, or like X2Go. But honestly, I think Wimpy has played a big role in making it irrelevant for me
Starting point is 00:20:19 because Mate has gotten so compelling and especially Ubuntu Mate over the last few years. And so where I used XFCE in the past, I now use Mate. So it's kind of your fault, Wimpy. Well, I'm sorry to the XFC project for that. But I would like to point out that it took Mate an awfully long time to port from GTK2 to gtk3 the only reason it wasn't so obvious is we were maintaining a gtk2 and gtk3 code base in parallel during that transition which to some extent probably delayed thing delayed things but
Starting point is 00:20:57 for as long as i've been involved in mate which is getting on for six years now, we were doing that migration to GTK3. And I think as a team, we're only satisfied that we've really kind of got there with the last release, which was last month, in terms of the GTK3 stuff, in that now every if-def rule in the code for special casing different versions of gtk have been removed because we're now just coalesced around gtk 322 which is the last stable release of gtk3
Starting point is 00:21:36 you know that said yeah go on well no i i wanted to finish um you you said that you know the next thing is gtk4 yeah there's no obligation to immediately start you know porting to gtk4 gtk3 i mean everything's just landed on gtk3 even things like um uh chrome firefox, you know, those things have only just, you know, within the last, you know, months even, you know, LibreOffice a bit longer, but, you know, within months have started to properly take their hints from GTK3. So I think it's going to be sometime. And there's even, you know, the bigger projects like GIMP, you know, that have been around forever. They're still GTK2. So they still, you know, catch up to be done, you know, all over the place. Yeah, that's a great point.
Starting point is 00:22:30 That is a GTK3 will be a stable target for, you know, desktops and application developers for some time to come. And in the world of flat packs and snaps, does it perhaps matter a little bit less if you know you if you've got an application in theory that needs gtk 3.22 um you should be able to ship that for quite a while as a flat pack or a snap even if my desktop is gtk 4 at that point yeah absolutely but i i think you'll see gtk 3 and gtk 4 living alongside each other in distros in the future in the same way that we have GTK2 and GTK3 living alongside each other and have done for many years now. That makes a lot of sense. You know what?
Starting point is 00:23:17 So they're not talking about Weyland, but I don't see Mate talking a lot about Weyland. But I don't see Mate talking a lot about Wayland. I've seen you make a few hints that in a recent 1804 post, I think you said, don't get too excited by some of the Wayland work in there. It's not what you think. I think it was something similar to that wording. What's that about? Wayland references that you may have seen in the change logs were actually to explicitly turn on ex-Wayland for some of the applications. So for people that were installing the Marte applications in a GNOME session, for example, which was Wayland by default on Fedora and Ubuntu 17.10, it meant that those applications would actually work. I see. Great.
Starting point is 00:24:07 But it is not a full, you know, Wayland implementation. It just enables ex-Wayland to step in and take over. But we have had our upstream conversations with the Core Marte team just this week about our road to Weyland. We've got some more discussions to have there, but we're starting to form a plan about how we're going to go about that. Is your sense that it is more work than the port to GTK3? Yes, although we may get lucky in terms of how we can go about doing this in that there may be some people who can assist us. Do some heavy lifting, as it were.
Starting point is 00:24:53 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting. So in the future, when that's all fleshed out, I will come back on and explain more about how we're going to tackle that one. I think that's going to be extremely interesting to watch because I think that could be useful for other projects as well. Alright, well good stuff. Alright, well don't go too far. I want to keep talking about Mate for just a moment, but I do want to take a break and
Starting point is 00:25:14 thank DigitalOcean. So stand by while we mention, I did get this in last week, this great deal we have. DigitalOcean.com You go to do.co slash unplugged. That's the URL I go to right now because I'm pretty sure that's the best way to get the special $100 credit offer
Starting point is 00:25:29 that DigitalOcean is offering the Jupyter Broadcasting audience. It's a limited time offer and I believe it lasts for 60 days once you apply it to your account. Now this is incredible because honestly, in the past, the traditional, and what I'll go back to is the $10 credit, which is
Starting point is 00:25:46 legitimately enough to get real work done for like two months on DigitalOcean. It's awesome. So the $100 credit blows my mind. You can build anything you want. Yeah, and I think this is what they're thinking, because it's true infrastructure on demand. Everything's SSDs, eight data
Starting point is 00:26:01 centers all over the world, a killer dashboard to manage all of it, and then an API to automate it when you're ready to go, or just grab some open source code that does it already. But here's where I think they're going with the $100 credit, is they got a couple of new types of droplets that are killer. So they got a $15 a month one where you can mix and
Starting point is 00:26:17 match the different resources, which, depending on what you're doing, maybe you don't need... It might just work out. Yeah, maybe you need more RAM. And you don't necessarily need a lot of local disk. Or maybe you need a ton of CPU for something. And you just mix and match as you need it. And they also, they're standard droplets, which you can get for $5 a month starting there.
Starting point is 00:26:37 They just got even more competitive. They have more everything. More everything. And if you have an existing one, you can upgrade it for free. They're crushing it. It's great. DigitalOcean.com or do.co slash unplugged. I've been a customer for, I think, four years now, which blows my mind.
Starting point is 00:26:52 We have large parts of the Jupyter Broadcasting infrastructure which run on DigitalOcean 24-7. And that means I am now down to one server on-premise, which is just a large storage free NAS server now. When we first started at Jupyter Broadcasting, we brought in an i7 rig with lots of memory and lots of local disk and an NFS disk, and we ran a bunch of systems in a VM, Proxmox. I mean, I've told you guys about this all on the show. And over the years, it is so much simpler, so much faster, and honestly, long term, it's costing me way less to run on DigitalOcean than having to spend thousands and thousands of dollars on local infrastructure. And the nice thing is we can build for what we need today and easily expand it. I've said enough.
Starting point is 00:27:37 Really, all you need to know is do.co slash unplugged, $100 credit if you're a new customer. Hot off the presses right there, Wes. Limited time offer, so go take advantage of it because I was negligent in telling you about it soon enough. Also, if you want to get yourself some web mail setup, I'm a fan of the Roundcube. That's one of my more, I think it's like, I don't know what else you could compare it to actually.
Starting point is 00:28:01 It's the closest to something like a Gmail or like a commercial web mail client that you can run and host yourself. Roundcube, it just connects to your mail server over IMAP and SMTP. So you don't even necessarily have to host your own mail server. You could connect it to just another IMAP server that you have or that you may be already using. Roundcube, they have a tutorial on DigitalOcean for how to set it up. I don't actually know. Don't tell them I said this, but I don't think there's anything necessarily too DigitalOcean specific,
Starting point is 00:28:29 maybe than just the very beginning of installing the computer. But the rest would work if you just had your own system. Yeah, it's just great documentation. Yeah, or, you know, go spin up a VPS over on DigitalOcean. They call them droplets.
Starting point is 00:28:40 Put up RoundCube and then point it to an IMAP server that you've been using. And now you just got yourself webmail that you're hosting and somebody else isn't slurping down. That's pretty great. do.co slash unplugged. All right.
Starting point is 00:28:50 So, Wimpy, I was talking before the show with you. And you started describing the minimal installer work that you're doing for Ubuntu Mate. And I thought, okay, yeah, that sounds decent. But the more you talked about it, I started thinking, geez, this might be the most popular implementation. Like this is sounding really, really good. So let's back up a little bit and maybe just a super quick refresher on what the minimal install is. And I guess maybe some of the work you had to do to get it in Ubuntu Monte because I guess you don't just inherit that. You have to make some choices and implement some decisions.
Starting point is 00:29:22 Tell me a little bit about it. So this is piggybacking on the work of my colleagues uh did rocks and laney who have landed the minimal install capability in the ubiquity installer so um i just happened to be poking around in the ubiquity code on an unrelated matter yesterday evening and i noticed that this feature had um had landed so um i contacted laney and said so how do i turn this on for ubuntu mate and he said oh it's easy you just create this file and you put the things in it that you want to be removed from your from your install so um i i did that work for ubuntu Mate last night, and then the nightly images ran.
Starting point is 00:30:07 So it's built for the flavors to use as well. It was purpose-built for that. It's not just unique to just upstream Ubuntu. No, any of the flavors can take advantage of it. So I'll just go into some text because I know some of the flavor maintainers listen to the podcast. text because i know some of the flavor maintainers um listen to the podcast so um what you do is you modify your seeds and the seeds are uh what where you list what applications are um what your distribution is comprised of so the applications that uh are in the core image in the in the base image and you add a new file in there and it's simply called desktop.minimal
Starting point is 00:30:46 hyphen remove and in that file you basically list all of the packages that you want to be removed from the default install and if that file exists when ubiquity runs it will now present a new option in the installer so in the install screens if you've installed ubuntu before you will have seen a screen where it asks you if you want to install updates while it's installing and if you want to install additional codecs on that screen you'll see a new option which is do, do you want the minimal install? And it describes the minimal install as, you know, the desktop and utilities and browser only. That, and... Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:30 I mean, now when you're combining, like, lightweight Mate with a minimal install, so it's just Firefox, basic desktop tools, core utilities, no VLC, no Thunderbird, no calculator? Well, the calculator's part of the core Marte desktop. Of course. You get that. Yeah, you need that. So, you know, you get the file manager and the text editor
Starting point is 00:31:51 and the document viewer and the image viewer. Yeah, that makes sense. But you don't get LibreOffice. You don't get Thunderbird. You don't get VLC. You don't get Rhythmbox. You know, all of that extra stuff, you don't get rhythm box you know all of that extra stuff you don't get transmission you know so everything additional to the the core desktop is effectively removed so you get a very trim
Starting point is 00:32:14 simple system and you know i was thinking to myself you know who would who would use this and why would you use it and i've heard a few people say oh well you know i like to you know curate my own desktop experience i know what applications i want so they would want that but i was thinking to myself how would i use it and i was thinking well i've got one machine that i use specifically for gaming now and i would choose the minimal option on that machine. So I just get the base stuff and then I can slap Steam on top of that. And I've just got a real trim machine for running Steam, or you could create your own Kodi boxes, you know, in a similar, in a similar way as well. Yeah, I do like that. I was just thinking too, like you could absolutely see it as a, excuse me, as a workstation OS, it as a workstation OS where maybe you go to work and you install Slack and you have to install Chrome and maybe even Skype and all of these things that just are kind of – I don't know.
Starting point is 00:33:17 They're just applications now that you can snap install or go get – Have a real minimal base or you'll get the devs yeah the software boutique actually makes some of that easier on on on mate but yeah i could yeah i really like that because i'm generally going to a bunch of mate for a minimal lean lean mean fighting machine yeah but what it retains is all of the underlying hardware support so anything you need for your network devices to function that's all still included anything you need for bluetooth and audio that's all still included so it's just that that layer of applications on the top but it's down to each um flavor maintainer to choose what they want to remove so there's no
Starting point is 00:33:59 prescribed list um my the list in ubuntu mate is different than the list in ubuntu for example um and so it means that i think there's a question the question that's coming up uh before we go too far off that is uh how is this different than an install script that just uh just is like a different set of packages to install how is this different than an install script is essentially what the chat room is asking in irc how it's different from an install where it's the opposite of an install script it's an uninstalled script essentially i like that yeah because it's an image that's getting deployed to the hard drive right it's getting so based on the live environment yeah so the image that's on the iso there is a squash fs file system and that is effectively
Starting point is 00:34:42 put on your hard disk and then at the end of that process there are already some packages that get removed the installer itself for example so ubiquity the installer removes itself as part of the cleanup of the installation so what this minimal install does is it tacks itself on to that piece of the code that's already there to build out a bigger list of what should be removed. And then it rattles through that list and removes anything that the maintainer has identified as this is stuff you don't need in a minimal install. Okay. Interesting. That makes sense.
Starting point is 00:35:24 So it's the opposite of an install script and um this will be landing in 1804 so it's already essentially the work's done right it landed in the daily images yesterday so yeah so it's there it's just down to each of the flavors now to create their minimal remove file in their seeds and then they can take advantage of that function as well well that's that's really great um it's it's funny that we're just getting to it now don't you think in a way like why haven't we had this for years it's interesting because before i worked at canonical i did some work with the zubuntu team where we were trying to achieve precisely this because we wanted minimal installations and in fact Zubuntu make their own set of I think they call them core
Starting point is 00:36:14 images available and have done for a couple of years now where they effectively have an ISO which is the minimal ISO so it's you, you know, what I've just described, but already packed in an ISO. And we did some work to try and land that in a way that everyone could have two ISOs. So you could have an Ubuntu Mate, I think we called them base, an Ubuntu Mate base ISO and the full fat ISO. And for reasons people were busy,
Starting point is 00:36:44 that never got any traction and now you know now we have this which is i think quite an elegant solution because now there's still one iso to download but you can use it in two ways so did this did this ball get rolling from what you probably understand because i know it's not directly work that you were involved in uh did rocks probably better to ask but did this get started based on some of the feedback that people like people i like chrome or i prefer mpv and so is this sort of a is this sort of a middle ground i think you're well connected with did rocks and you should ask him that question because i don't know the origin story of of how this came to be because it is funny that it's just showing up now in 1804 i mean i'm thankful for it uh but uh i think this to a degree is why is probably why
Starting point is 00:37:26 some people have chosen other distributions i'm sure not by a very large percentage but i bet there's people in our audience that have decided to go a different route just because of the package selection i mean that was what drove people to ubuntu too at the same time yeah and you've got both options now you know those people that like like a a very specific desktop experience can can do that you know for some people all you actually need is the minimal install because you can do everything in a browser you've basically created a chromebook at that point yeah and now you can install containers and or applications and containers and that's all sick sickle sickle or whatever it is circular sickle what is it what am i looking for wes cyclical cyclical that's what it is, circular, secular. What is it? What am I looking for, Wes? Cyclical. Cyclical.
Starting point is 00:38:05 That's what it is, cyclical. You got there yourself. Well, Wimpy, thank you for telling us all about that. You know me, I just love hearing about that. I hope other people do too because even if you're not an Ubuntu Monte user, I think this stuff is fascinating because right here I'm sitting on a Plasma Neon desktop,
Starting point is 00:38:17 but yet this I love hearing about. I love the thought behind it and all of it, so I really always appreciate when you come on here and tell us all that stuff. You're welcome. I don't know if anybody out there has had a chance to try katie and live recently a lot of people ask about video editing still we get a lot of questions and i i just sort of i kind of punt and i punt and i punt but um it's getting legitimate with katie and live and
Starting point is 00:38:37 uh i'd like to know people who are doing actual serious amounts of video editing under linux like you know like ven stone who edits you know I think he's doing two shows a week under Linux, but I think he uses OpenShot, like an old version of OpenShot, because he's a madman, Ven. That's crazy. You're a madman. So I'd like to know if somebody like Ven, or there's probably not as many people that do as much editing as he does, but on a regular basis are putting out complex, long content
Starting point is 00:39:02 on Linux. Have you tried the new Cadian Live? Because this to me is hitting a lot of what draws me to Final Cut. And this is getting, I don't know, maybe it's also the fact, probably it's a bit of the fact that I've been on a plasma kick recently too. And this is a cute application. So it also looks really great on my desktop. But I downloaded the app image.
Starting point is 00:39:22 Yes, it's an app image. So you can, it's kind of a convoluted process. I will link to the fastest way for you to get the app image because they don't just link to it directly. They make you attend this cafe session and you can find a link to a text file that has a list of the mirrors, which will then land you on this page that I have found. So I will link this to you if you want to try it and give me feedback because I'm going to experiment a little bit with it, but I'm honestly just not doing as much video as I was in the past. So I'm not the best candidate, but it looks like a super great release. One of the things that I really like about KDN Live is
Starting point is 00:39:56 they have this really steady approach. And they've been like on this, we do like, so for example, And they've been like on this – we do – like so for example, 17.12 series has just been constant solid, fix this little thing, solve this bug, come up with a solution for that, minor bug fix stuff. And so you can just say, well, I'm on this branch. That's what I get. And I really like that about that too. So 1804 is the next version, which I don't think is necessarily synced up to any Ubuntu number, but it's sort of that same versioning system. And they are working out the rough edges right now. They've published it as an app image, which I'll link to. And if you're out there and want to give them some feedback, if I was going to bet on a horse right now for getting really good approachable video editing on desktop Linux as much as I respect Jonathan
Starting point is 00:40:46 and all the hard continuing work he's doing into OpenShot over the years. The horse I would bet on right now is KDN Live. Not Lightworks not all of the other ones that we send in. It's looking really nice. It's KDN Live. Yeah there's a lot of different ones there's like a clip editor one you know
Starting point is 00:41:01 but it's just yeah. So anyways if you want to help what I think is potentially our best hope for good video editing. And we need one. Yeah. I just – it's called – the link in the show notes will be called KDE Experience Freedom with an exclamation mark. KDE-Experience Freedom with an exclamation mark. That's the link to look for because that's the typical kind of communication you get from the KDE group out there. They just – they're not so good with the way they phrase things or the – that kind of – I love them.
Starting point is 00:41:31 It sounds like you haven't invested in freedom enough over there. I know. I know. I need to invest in – Go with the program. I need to invest in freedom as their website tells me and I need to experience freedom with an exclamation mark. I'm feeling pretty free right now. I do appreciate that about it.
Starting point is 00:41:44 I do appreciate that. That may be the new air freshener, but I don't think so. I'm feeling pretty, pretty free. So we'll have that linked in the show notes if you want to check that out. Linuxacademy.com slash unplugged. That's where to go to support the show and sign up for a free seven-day trial. Free seven-day trial. What's better than free?
Starting point is 00:42:04 Freedom. And maybe sometimes like a cold drink on a real Oh, that's way better. It's really good. But free, like if that drink was free, it's even better. You see what I'm saying? Like you can't get better. So seven day free trial, linuxacademy.com slash unplugged. It's a platform to learn
Starting point is 00:42:20 about Linux. And all of this stuff around Linux. And now the kind of stuff that gets you hired. That's a really good, that's another really nice thing about Linux and all of this stuff around Linux. And now the kind of stuff that gets you hired. That's a really good, that's another really nice thing about Linux Academy. I would use this for ongoing training as well as getting hired. Think of it as whatever you need to get done, if you need to learn more about a nitty gritty thing around Linux, or if you need to learn about AWS and OpenStack and Azure and all of these things, this is also perhaps the best solution for you. They have some really, really
Starting point is 00:42:45 great and they're frequently adding new content to the AWS stuff. I'm really impressed with like they're maniacs over there with the content. And the way they get that is they hire full time instructors, people that are really familiar with this stuff. And they just sit there and they turn out this stuff in a way that I don't know, they got the system like they build a process where they come up with something that's really applicable to people, that's really going to add value for something to learn about. Then they build out the best way to do it. They build into the system where you can choose the distribution you want to learn from. They keep testing out at each point,
Starting point is 00:43:16 then they start testing it more to get like kind of feedback. And they've reached out to me a few times on this to see if like I want to try out a new system and then they roll it out and iterate on it in a way that keeps your subscription valuable and then they add new content and they go back and they keep the old stuff fresh and then they're ready to help you whenever you get stuck because those instructors are full time like this is a machine now and it's just been getting them a ton of industry credibility and you can get hands-on scenario based labs a course scheduler for when you're busy and they have all kinds of content that really is great for when you're like, just want to hone in on one single thing, or you're ready to take on a whole certification course. And so that means when you've got a really busy life, or when you've got time to
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Starting point is 00:44:17 I can't be dragged around like this anymore. Ooh, we're going to talk about this. So I asked this really stupid question last week. Well, actually, it started when I asked the question, would you like to switch to Discord? And everybody said yes. And now here we are. What? Three, four months into this thing?
Starting point is 00:44:33 Maybe a little more than that? Six months? I don't know. I don't know. It feels like ages. It feels like it's been 25 years. And I actually don't mind Discord. I've also been hanging out in other communities. And you know what I like is the communities that don't have to waffle like this. That's what I like. It's just you don't waffle.
Starting point is 00:44:50 You don't move it. You just invest and you build. And every time I feel like we change direction, you spill off some people. You also gain new people. So it's got its pros and its cons. But we went out to a vote and we said, should we switch from Discord back to IRC or just hang tight, stick it out with Discord for the long haul? And each has its pros and cons. IRC's – well, it's like plumbing at this point.
Starting point is 00:45:16 It's pretty universal and it's a classic. Like it's just like – amongst our community, it's got a bit of a barrier of entry to people outside the open source community, but it's a staple in the open source community. Now, Discord has the advantage of a network effect. It also has a bunch of other fancy features that are more modern, like they just have their own mobile client and they support emojis and embedded imagery and Twitter previews and all this stuff. All the fanciness. Yeah. That if you were to say drop down on the planet today in 2018 and try to join a community, you would just kind of expect that they might just be able to do this. They might just have this.
Starting point is 00:45:58 So I wasn't really sure what to do. We were thinking behind the scenes, promatically, that it would be easier for some of the things we want to automate if it was IRC, because we're still trying to come up with this perfect cloud OBS setup where we would ingest an IRC stream and automatically generate a video and send that out on the video stream and all of that. But it just doesn't seem
Starting point is 00:46:20 like that would be super easy to do with Discord. It would be pretty easy to do with IRC. So the vote went out, and it was pretty clear IRC by a 79% vote and Discord had a 21% vote. We're not talking hundreds of numbers here, but that's a, you know, usually that's how it sticks. Those are usually pretty indicative. Representative, I believe, would be the term. So that's a 79% win right there. That's huge. I mean, that's a big margin of win for IRC. That's big.
Starting point is 00:46:53 People have spoken, I suppose. The thing is, if we go back to IRC, we go back and we just – Right. Like does the discord just die? Is it left to wither? What – Well, I don't think you've got to shut it down. I mean the main thing I'm thinking about is like if you want to – it's like the primary chat room. So it's what's on the live stream.
Starting point is 00:47:13 It's where people idle the most or are they having an active conversation. I don't know. I don't have answers to that. I don't like any of this, but I want to do what the audience likes in this regard because it's it's a tool for them so virtual lug you guys uh you guys get first say since you're here you're in the voice chat you you get first say does anybody have a strong opinion on this one way or the other i'd love to hear some input on this because i'm really i really I just want to use whatever people like yeah well well to me I would see the discord is like the um I would say the reddit chat version reddit chat versus the rc being the live stream and also since there are very few since there are very few people who go to the
Starting point is 00:48:02 live stream to participate i mean there are more people that are coming in a day week at months and years to come such as myself that came in recently but it's i would say irc would fill that niche pretty well with the live stream and plus there are some clients that do support some of the newer features that you mentioned so yeah all right well i'm gonna leave the vote up for a little bit longer while I think about it I'm not in a huge rush to do anything I got to go to scale but it's on my mind I want to do what people like
Starting point is 00:48:31 so you know meanwhile the telegram group is going solid so yeah they're off in their own universe that is good really that's kind of a nice thing that's just like something we don't care if you want to get on that jupiterbroadcasting.com slash telegram to join our telegram group. There's my quarterly plug for that.
Starting point is 00:48:50 All right, Wes. Well, that's not actually what we're. No, it's not. I guess that's on my mind. Like I said, this is a meandering episode. It's on everyone's mind. Let's talk about Crankshaft. This is pretty, pretty great.
Starting point is 00:49:01 Now, I'm going to I'll play a little bit of the demo for you. Just I'm going to do a couple of bits of it because it's a little rough. But just to give you an idea of what it's like. So you download this image. You write it to the SD card. You toss it in your Raspberry Pi. You hook up the $60 touchscreen. Okay, so in this video, I just want to talk real quick
Starting point is 00:49:20 about the capability of open auto and how it's working in the alpha version of crankshaft right now and let's start this is just a raspberry pi 3b and so he goes through and demos the functionality of this thing in it once he gets it up and running, it just looks like Android Auto completely with your playback controls, your Google Now cards. It's communicating with his Android device. He just makes a phone call through it. He can see the battery life of his phone. He can use navigation maps.
Starting point is 00:49:59 It looks pretty handy. It actually, there he's using Pocket Cast to listen to Radiolab. I kind of want to do this in my truck. You know what I'm talking about because my screen is all screwed up. Yeah, I mean you're a perfect candidate for it. I know. I know.
Starting point is 00:50:12 If somebody has any experience with this, you got to let me know because I'm tempted to do this. We just need the touchscreen. I need the screen. Yeah, I need to pick up the screen. And then, you know, then you'd have to figure out a way to install the dash, which is not my strength, I got to say. But it's called Crankshaft, and that was a developer there who you heard in the video. It's a project just by him. It's just his thing.
Starting point is 00:50:33 And it's admittedly alpha, but come on. It's going to be pretty cool. I think Android Auto is fairly baked, and it's using, I think, Raspbian for the distribution. And there's a pretty active amount of people on the GitHub talking to me about it. It's nice to be able to play in that space at all and maybe even have a system that actually works and could be useful. Yeah, and the main thing that I wanted to avoid with something like this was – and I was thinking like a carputer. I've been thinking about that for a couple of months. So I haven't really, really, the only reason I didn't go with a carputer is in the couple of months that I've been sort of debating what to do, I have found that I am perfectly happy just doing everything
Starting point is 00:51:16 on my phone and having it go through the Bluetooth audio. And I don't really need my radio because I'm not listening to radio. And I don't listen to anything through because I'm not listening to radio. And I don't listen to anything through the radio other than my phone now. So I thought, well, could I just get by with the phone? But the thing that this offers is, A, your phone is still usable. But, B, it puts it up on a bigger screen with more limited functionality. It's focused for when you're driving and for, like, the navigation and the messages and stuff like that. I think I would prefer that. And the ability to do search and stuff so hello there who was that who was that dang uh now would you prefer a a uh a carputer with a touch screen or would you prefer
Starting point is 00:52:00 one of those laptop uh mounts mounts like you have in a police cruiser that would be the way that would be the way noah would go noah's got one of those it does be fun like one of those laptop mounts. Like you have in a police cruiser. That would be the way Noah would go. Noah's got one of those in his Jeep. That does seem fun. Like one of those cop laptop mounts. God, Noah's such a gearhead. Man, you know what? I tell you what. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:52:15 I feel like that's too fiddly. See, that's what I'm liking about the Android Auto here on the Raspberry Pi. If you could get it mounted well, it could be out of the way in the dash. It's like a distilled user interface that's simplified for while you're driving. It's less cluttered. And going to laptops, kind of like
Starting point is 00:52:27 the opposite direction of that. Go ahead. I mean, you can use the Android Auto app to simulate this in order to get a feel for the Android Auto interface. Ah, yeah. That's another thing. Really, I already have the Raspberry Pi 3, I think. Isn't there one around here
Starting point is 00:52:43 somewhere? There is one around here, unless it got put into use somewhere so i already have that part i just need the screen and then it's sort of a low cost test it's pretty great that this guy is oh by the way that is getcrankshaft.com i should have said the url sooner sorry about that getcrankshaft.com is where you go uh if anybody is going to scale scale 16x let me know if you've got something like that down there because I want to see it. If you bring your car, let me see it. I want to see that. That would be pretty cool.
Starting point is 00:53:09 I want to give a quick mention too. Speaking of scale, I've been talking about scale in the new relaunch tech talk today. I mentioned that last week. We've now posted two freaking episodes since last week's Linux Unplugged. Yeah. And there's some nostalgia goodness if you're a Linux Action Show former listener. There's some nostalgia goodness in episode 262. Tech Talk dot today was where you find those.
Starting point is 00:53:34 Tech Talk dot today. And I'll be covering my journey to scale in that crap up in that S, as they say. I'm really happy with the way those two episodes have turned out. It's been a bit of a creative endeavor, but I've enjoyed it. And it's gotten an itch. I had that rash right there I wanted to scratch, so I've been able to scratch that. It always feels good. Yeah, and it gives me a spot to put a bunch of content and scale,
Starting point is 00:53:54 like the trip there and meeting people and all that stuff. And we get Tech Talk back for a brief little minute here. For at least 10 episodes. So season one, and we were two episodes in, so if you haven't gotten on board yet, they're shorter, too. They're about 20 minutes, so go to techtalk.today. Really easy, yeah. Ride this hype train with us. Easy pe one, and then we were two episodes in. So if you haven't gotten on board yet, they're shorter, too. They're about 20 minutes. So go to techtalk.today. Really easy, yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:07 Ride this hype train with us. Easy peasy. And even if you want to catch up on two, it's a 40-minute podcast, and it's nice and tight. I hope people like it. I hope people like it because I'm going to put all I can into it for the 10 episodes I'm going to do, and then I'm going to take a break, and I'm going to be done, and that's going to be wonderful. Wimpy has inspired me. You've taught me well, Wimpy.
Starting point is 00:54:27 And the value of this is negative. No, it's not. You're welcome. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. That's a seasoned idea. Only I may never come back, I think. Right, yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:35 That might be the... My twist might be, last time I put the show on hold, it was on hold for two years, so... You never can tell. You never know. You never know. All right, well, guess what? We're just about done here. We've been we've been we've been screwing around here.
Starting point is 00:54:47 But this is just our low key episode before I go to scale. So next week I will be at scale with Noah and I'm pretty sure we'll just do the show live from there. We'll just do a regular episode, but we'll happen to be at scale. I don't know if we'll have a few interviews or something. If we get something good, we'll put it in the show. So you'll be here. Yeah. Wes is going to come into studio and try to run all this crap on your own.
Starting point is 00:55:08 Good luck with that. Jeez Louise. We'll probably have an episode. Let's just say that. We'll be down there throwing our crap together while you're in here trying to remember how to turn all this stuff back on. And one way or another, we should end up with a show next week. Speaking of shows coming back, rumor has it the Ubuntu podcast is coming back. So go get more wimpy.
Starting point is 00:55:25 That's exciting. Yep. Ubuntu podcast is coming back, so go get more Wimpy. That's exciting. Yep, the Ubuntu podcast is on the return. The rumor is true. And if you want more Wes Payne, why not a little TechSnap? TechSnap.Systems for the TechSnap program, which is back and better than ever. If I don't say so myself, TechSnap.Systems. And at Wes Payne on Twitter.
Starting point is 00:55:44 I'm at ChrisLAS. The network is at Jupyter Signal. Stick around for Ask Noah if you're on the live stream. Noah's coming up. Yeah, definitely. He's got a pretty special guest. Pretty pretty special. I won't say anymore but that's coming up soon. You show up on Tuesdays and you stick around for Linux Unplugged
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Starting point is 00:56:14 Thanks for being here. See you next week. Bye. Thank you. All right, let's get a title. No, let's get out of here. Oh, a title. Yeah, we got to get a title. But Gatsda gets the titles. Today, huh? Today, baby. Hello, Eric. gets the titles. Today, huh?
Starting point is 00:57:06 Hello, Eric. That's awesome. Is your weed extraction process done over there? Did it all work out? Dude, seriously. When you guys started talking about the carputer stuff, I totally could jump in because I have one. You're in a windstorm over there. Then a leaf blower came by. Yeah, nice.
Starting point is 00:57:21 Well, you know, that's what happens. That's what happens. Oh, the windstorm. That's my furnace. Oh, the windstorm. That's my furnace. The smell of free breeze. That's pretty good, TechMav, but probably a little too esoteric. What do you got? Anybody else got a title?
Starting point is 00:57:35 What else do we got? KDE Freedom? Oh, no. Scanning. Indications negative. Hmm. Crankshaft. Accessing. Scanning. accessing scanning scanning crankshaft i have a tech talk today question yes sir um the feeds that i found in pocketcast for tech talk today aren't being updated have you checked them recently because they had a bug on
Starting point is 00:58:01 their server side thing with the feed. Okay, let me try again. Yeah, that would be no good. I just Googled the, I just Googled for Tech Talk Today and went to the one that's listed on the website. Yeah, if you want to just put it in, it's just techtalk.today.com. If you want to just put it in. By the way, nice new logo. With the feet? Well, I mean, it's different than the one you had last time.
Starting point is 00:58:26 Yeah, a little tweaked, yeah. Fascinating. Hmm. Yep. Yabey titles, yabey titles. Got to constantly iterate. Not much there on Yabey titles. Oh, there's a little more.
Starting point is 00:58:37 There's a little more. Crank that Foss shaft. Crank shaft on the move. Can we GTK all live together? I have the power. People are reaching deep this week. People are reaching deep. I appreciate it.
Starting point is 00:58:51 I appreciate it. People are reaching deep. Easy Linux, small and cool. Bad news, Chris. What's that? It says it's from September years ago. Hmm. I don't know what's going on with that.
Starting point is 00:59:05 Now, what if you put in techtalk.today slash rss? Does it pull down a new... Does the old rss still show the old logo, Wimpy? Yeah. Okay. Usually Pocket Cast is very
Starting point is 00:59:24 up-to-date when it comes to logos and all that. Pocket Cast? I very up to date when it comes to logos and all that. Pocket Cast? Whoa. Hot day. Holy shit. Maybe that's what he was going for. Is that Noah?
Starting point is 00:59:38 Noah sounds terrible. I thought my audio was bad. He's also operating a woodchipper at the moment. He's probably just got too much... The updated CSS is... RSS is just fine, but... But the old...
Starting point is 00:59:55 I got to talk to him. We actually... We talked... We had a... So that was an issue. We talked to him. We said, okay, we got it fixed now. And then the person that we were working with said it was working.
Starting point is 01:00:05 But I don't actually use Pocket Cast myself, so I'm installing it right now. Although, by the way, there's actually a newer app that I would recommend to people who are not on Pocket Cast yet. It's called CastBox. It seems to be... Jesus, Noah. Noah, you stop. You're ruining my post show. Here, let me hit stop on the recording. You just destroyed my post show. Let me hit stop on the recording.
Starting point is 01:00:27 You just destroyed my post show.

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