LINUX Unplugged - Episode 57: systemd Haters Busted | LUP 57

Episode Date: September 10, 2014

The majority of systemd hate appears to be coming from just two sources. At least that’s what we suspect & call them out. Plus a review of OpenMediaVault and how it compares to FreeNAS, a quick look at Tox & what the heck is Fedora’s DNF?

So, Wimpy, you were talking about video games. My friend, if you're going to get into games, guess what? New Humble Bundle 12 is out, and they are finally, once again, rocking the Linux support. And there's some good ones on here. There is Gone Home, good game. Luft, Luft der Rassers? How do you say that, Eric? What do you think?

Luft Rassers. Let's take a little look at this one. Let's see what this is about, because I think this is mild fantasy violence. All right. All right. All right. Oh, that was a fun game, actually. Yeah, I got really into that for a while.

Luthorothers? Yeah. If it's when I think it is his side-scrolling. Oh, this actually looks like a lot of fun. Yeah, it's a super game. Okay. Sure, though. It's actually a little short. No, that's actually not like a lot of fun. Yeah, it's a super game. Okay. Short, though. It's actually a little short.

No, that's actually not a bad thing for me. Is it like the airplane flying around in there? Yeah. Yeah. That's not bad. Okay, so then you've also got Hammerwatch. Let's take a look at it and see what... Okay, Hammerwatch is an overhead game.

You've got SteamWorld, Dig That. I've heard a lot about this. I actually have that one. Papers, Please is also... Here, let's watch this one. This Papers, Please is a great game. Papers, Please is also... Here, watch this one. This Papers, Please is a great game.

Papers, Please. It's like the whole game right there, too. Well, that's sad mm-hmm isn't that interesting denied what's funny about this is I have worked in US Customs Facility in SeaTac Airport, and...

Rekai says this would make a good mobile game. I can see that. Yeah, I can see that. I can definitely see that. Yeah, I can see that. All right, so let's see. We got... This is pretty good. All right, so should we check in to see how the funding is doing? You know I always like to look at this, right? I always got to see how we're doing.

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That looks crazy. You're the man now, dogfighter. Papers, please. Hey, what's the big idea here? I always remember to bring papers. Looks like a short drama called Lady and the Stamp. And Gone Home.

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Oh, my. Have they ever done the swag thing before? So, let's see. Okay, now let's take a look. A look at this. The top donator right now is a bit.ly URL. You know, for 200 bucks, that's not a bad ad spot. No.

That'd be actually, that's worth $200. Oh, yeah. If you put a URL in there like that. So, okay, here we go. Average Windows price, $7.21. Average Macintosh price, $8.84. Average Linux price, $9.69. Welcome to Linux Unplugged, your weekly Linux talk show that's not yet chained down by the wrist to proprietary hardware.

My name is Chris. My name is Matt. Hey, Matt. Guess what? 57 episodes in a row, buddy. Big 5-7 already. I know, now we're like ketchup. You know what? That's cool. It's cool to be like ketchup, Matt. And you know, to help us celebrate being tasty like ketchup, in studio, producer Eric. Hey Eric. Hey Chris, how you doing? Good. Are you feeling like Heinz 57 today? A little ketchup-y, a little vinegary, yeah. You and I are on marathon broadcast, in marathon broadcast mode still because we did that Apple thing this morning.

Yeah. That'll be in tech talk today. It's probably going to be out, probably posted while we're recording. Yeah. It was like a two hour show. It was a big show. Yeah.

It was a big show. Like encoding nightmares. Yeah. It takes extra processors. You gotta have more. I seven, we need more, all of the I seven.

Well, uh, coming up in today's episode of the unplugged show, we got a lot of ground to cover. We have a little make make good from last week we didn't get a chance to talk about dnf we're gonna do that in the latter half of the show we also have i know you're gonna think it's crazy you're gonna think i'm nuts we got to talk about system d just a little bit more because i think i figured out where all the controversy is coming from yeah i think i've isolated it down i think we can finally put this topic to bed once we just get it out there in the open.

Who's stirring up trouble? Why are they stirring it up? I think I got the answer for you. We're going to talk about it in today's Unplugged. Calm out. Put it on the record so that way we as a public can move on from all of this shenanigans. So we're going to talk about that in the show. And then our Mumble Room joins us to talk about Open Media Vault today.

We're supposed to at least. We'll see how that goes. They've been doing a little Open Media Vault review and they've been preparing to come on and talk about their experiences with Open Media Vault. So Mumble Room time appropriate greetings to you guys. Welcome to the Unplugged show today.

Whiskey. Whiskey, yes. Wimpy, are you ready to talk about Open Media Vault today are you excited oh yeah really wow someone hold that man down

free Naz everybody so review over free Naz no not exactly the right person to be asking in case he gets

overly excited about nothing that's true I didn't want to give away my true feelings too early on true well let's see let's start with our first email see if we can get to the true feelings behind talks.

Travis wrote in to Linux Unplugged. He says, hey, guys, I saw a Ward article on a little project called uTalks, and I found it to be an interesting concept. Any plans for highlighting it during an upcoming show? Now, you guys are probably familiar with talks. It aims to be a Skype replacement that's secure, encrypted, and it's more like a protocol where a front end could be written for it. And Noah, you were just saying a little earlier you were experimenting with Tox.

What was your takeaway? Yeah. So me and actually a couple other people in the mumble room tried to got Tox installed and started using it. And I want to say first, I think it's a fantastic, I think the potential for the project is fantastic. And I think it's a fantastic idea. And I want to say first, I think it's a fantastic, I think the potential for the project is fantastic. And I think it's a fantastic idea and I think it's going fantastic directions. However, it's very much not ready for daily use, at least not from my experience. We were able to establish a call. We were able to have a conversation and that worked really well. conversation and that worked really well um unfortunately to get that call i had to have my client already open and waiting for the the the thing to pop up because the notification didn't

work that was a gnome um i couldn't even get it installed it wouldn't even install on 1404 um what like i said once it got connected we were able to have a conversation and that worked for about five or six minutes and then the entire client would crash in the middle of a call yeah right in the middle of a call uh group uh group uh conversant like a like where more than one person was connected in the call didn't work at all group chat worked okay um but the like single one person to one person chat also would crash after like five or six minutes of use yikes so it sucked well i'm here's what I'm saying. I'm saying that it's one of those things where

I'm sure once they get, once everything reaches stable and it gets released, I'm sure it will be a fantastic project. It's clearly not where for example Skype is today. Of course, it shouldn't be because how much longer and how much more money does Microsoft have to develop Skype.

It's early days still for Talks. Talks is more of a little bit wrong here. Tox is more of a client, no, a server and a protocol. You're judging the client, one of many. Fair enough. Yeah. Fair enough. Although his experience sort of echoes the experience with the other Tox clients. I think just, I think there's a, I think the underlying aspect of it's still moving, and

I think, of course, the top UIs. You're right. It's more like, it's more like HTTP in a sense. It's, you can have multiple web browsers that can browse the web. You can have multiple talks front ends. But that might – I'm not – this maybe is going to be a data point to this potential, but I think maybe what we're seeing here is this is the wrong approach for this type of product and service. I think you need to have a client that is integrated at the same time with

the backend. Like the two things shouldn't be developed in a vacuum. I don't think. That's absolutely correct. You know, we... This seems like you have to have, when you put, when you build a feature into something that the backend can support, the client needs that. And you have to be able to, you know, then see how the client responds to that and adjust the backend to. How can these two separate things be fully feature compatible? How will they ever sync up in terms of what the back end can do versus what front ends can do, et cetera? You're absolutely right.

In order to have the back end work, you have to have a front end that works with the back end. And if the two do not work together, then what's the point? What do you think, Dare Devlin? So they are actually, from what I understood, and I tried all the clients listed on the page, Toxic is the client that has been worked and doing that kind of iteration that you're talking about. That's the one I like the most. And that one never failed in doing any of the tasks that it already says it does. So it only doesn't do audio yet.

However, it does already the other things really well. And I think it's on progress because they are trying to refine it step by step. Other clients are focusing on the experimental API that is available for the Toxic library, to the actual protocol. And I think it is actually the right approach if we want this protocol to propagate.

Like there's already people working that I have knowledge of that are working on a WebRTC proxy that goes with Tox. So you can use your browser to communicate with a Tox client, which is amazing. But WebRTC already works fine.

So why does it need to be integrated with Tox? So you don't have to use two apps. Oh, okay, I got you. So you have your browser and people can use their own desktop application or phone application, which works. We've also, I featured a couple of Qt-based Tox clients. Qt Tox seems to be the one that actually performs best under most circumstances and tests. Yeah. In my experience.

It's just, to me, so far away from a Hangouts or Skype replacement right now. It's just, it is not production ready and there are people who start Google Hangouts and then leave them running all day long at their workplace. It's got a long way to go before it's ever going to hit that level.

But maybe for enthusiasts that are just kind of messing around with friends and stuff like that, it's probably getting close to that level. But maybe for enthusiasts that are just kind of messing around with friends and stuff like that, it's probably getting close to that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And toxic... I do have to say, I didn't experiment any kind of crash at all.

Maybe because I built all the clients on my distribution instead of actually installing. That's a good theory. Yeah, yeah, I like that. Let's do a follow-up from Sven. He wrote in on the Linux Action Show on Sunday about setting up his home server. And my main concern was he was using like three different distros in his house, and he was using CentOS, but he was kind of a Linux noob.

And I was a little worried that he might be spreading himself too thin. So Sven writes in with some follow-up. He says, hey, guys, thanks for reading my question. I thought I'd get back to you on the questions you raised. So regarding the server OS, my reasons for choosing CentOS over CoreOS or OpenSUSE is primarily academic. I researched CoreOS extensively and would have opted

for it, but what got me using CentOS was that I am, from time to time, called upon to manage Linux servers or a few at work, which is really stressful when you suck at it. Since all of our Linux servers and firewalls run CentOS, I decided it was in my best interest to become more versed in that OS. Once I'm

comfortable with Cent, I'll probably move to Core. Yay, Docker. That's a great reason. Yeah, that is a great reason. It's an excellent reason. Yep. So, on the topic of using three different distros at home, and my concern there was like, well, if you're going to use CentOS, maybe you should just use CentOS. That way you just learn one thing. And so he says, you're probably right.

And I feel the same about keeping things simple, but I think for the time being that my wife will need to acclimate to Linux in general. I need a distro that was both easy to use and visually attractive. An elementary OS represented the least dissident experience for her as a first time Linux user. My long term

goal is to empower her to choose her own distro, yes, and even command line if she wants, and while it would be nice to see her on OpenSUSE, I want her to learn a distro that she considers home. And then he says, shh, that way I can claim ignorance and won't have to answer questions. Mwahaha!

Regarding backups, so he says, my current backup strategy is rudimentary at best. Since things are still in development, I'm using a series of Python scripts adapted from my old Windows server. They package things into Btsync folders. From there, it gets uploaded to Spyderoak. I need something simple that worked right away,

so I haven't really given back as much attention they deserve at this time. Any thoughts? Oh, that's not bad. What do you do for backup, Eric? Oh, well, what I do is I use just DejaDup, and I backup to a SSH server on my home server. DejaDup's a great way to go. And in this case, you could

back up to the folder that Spyderoke is backing up. I really like Spyderoke as my backup system. Yeah, it's a good one. I have very little experience with Spyderoke, to be honest. Matt, were you playing with anything backup wise these days? Well, I used to use Spyderoke, but it was so

bloaty. It is slow. I do feel like the UI is really slow. Maybe that's why I didn't use it anymore. For me, it's really bloaty. So I've been kind of bouncing back and forth. At one time, I used to use Jungle Disk. One time, I used to use Spider Oak. I think right now, I'm pretty much married to kind of going with a bit torrent sync

to a specific box in the house until I figure something out. Yeah, until I figure out something a little more permanent. I'm kind of in between right now. Part of my backup strategy is the fact that I got copies of stuff everywhere. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's not a great backup strategy, but it is part of it. Yeah, it saved my bacon the other day.

I accidentally deleted my music folder. What? Yeah, I accidentally. Thank God, though, I had a BitTorrent sync over to my tablet. So did you catch it before it synced the deletes? I sure did. Oh my gosh, were you hustling like a fool over to your tablet? Here's the funny part, is that BitTorrent sync hadn't been running for some reason.

So I went ahead and just grabbed the SD card out of my tablet, put it in my computer, just dropped them all back, created a new sync. Yeah. Jeez Louise. I totally looked out on that one. I like Daredevil in his approach where he says, I just swap out hard drives. Yeah. That's a way to go too. Yeah, that's another way to go. That's not a bad idea.

It's simple. It works for me. I just have one for video, another for music, and get done with it. Yeah. I always want something automatic. Yeah, I want something automatic. So that's why BitTorrent Sync keeps my constant syncing going on,

but then DejaDuped is my once-a-week backup. See, because the BitTorrent Sync isn't really a backup because it could have synced the delete action. That's right. It could have synced the delete action. You got lucky. I got real lucky. I got real lucky.

Well, there's two things that BitTorrent Sync has going for you in your favor. One, unless you actually manually set it differently, there is a delay, a fairly significant one. And the second thing is the fact that unless you decide to turn this off in your folder preferences, it will actually keep an archive of what you just deleted. You get the revision. Yeah, that's true. Oh, you get the revision. No, isn't that what that is? It's like a revision copy you can restore? I've never explored it. I was just like, oh, it took up too much space.

In Deja Dupe it is. In BitTorrent Sync, though, it's going to just completely see whatever you've got. Now, where I lucked out is that it wasn't running on my tablet. Right. So it wasn't running on my tablet right then. It was running on my computer, but it was not running on my tablet, so I was able to just copy and paste. See, I've always – so here's how I use BitTorrent Sync is I have –

obviously, I have to have machines that have write access, but the majority of machines are using the read-only key. Yeah. So that way – so I never delete on the remote end, really, almost ever. Well, I have no reason to either because, I mean, it's – basically, I'm just playing back the music. I'm not putting it anymore on there. For me, it's like clips and stuff almost ever. Well, I have no reason to either because basically I'm just playing back the music. I'm not putting an aim or honor. For me, it's like clips and stuff

and I don't ever need to delete. And then when I do need to delete them, I'm usually sitting at my desk doing show prep and where I clean things up anyways. Yeah, you can go to that machine physically. Yeah, I just do that as a little security thing. Anybody in the Mumble room want to chime in on a backup solution they're particularly proud of before we move to our next topic?

I'm still a big fan of rsync and cron scripts, man. Yeah. I tried Obnum recently in Attic, and I found that they were slow and pretty inefficient. Although, you know, the dedupe functionality in Obnum was pretty good, but it took forever. It was really slow. Cookie Sprite, that's exactly what I'm doing as well. Yeah. Yeah, and R-Sync actually saved my bacon.

Oh, R-Sync's an amazing tool, and there's a lot of pre-made scripts you can kind of take and then adjust to work the way you need if you don't want to write it from scratch. It saved my bacon. But it's so easy to write from scratch. I mean, it is. And just crontab, and then you never have to worry about it.

And the other thing is, and the thing that's important to me is I understand every single thing that's happening. Exactly. With BT Sync, I install the software, and I just kind of have to hope that it's working. The magic works. I mean, I can see that. Yeah. The thing I like about rsync, too, is you can do the dry run. So you can kind of just get an idea of what's going to happen.

So is this going to be a huge, massive file transfer? Is this going to be a quick thing? And, of course, it also can – Are all my files going to get deleted? Yeah. Surprise. And the other thing is you can throw – sometimes these systems, like, you'll lose the right date or time or last modified, and rsync is really good about it. Wimpy's got an interesting solution.

Yeah. Go ahead, Wimpy. Well, like most of you, I'm using bits BitSync to move my data around the place, so my various workstations and what have you. But for backups, I use our snapshot, which gives you a point-in-time recovery. Yes, our snapshot. Yeah, Dataduke does the same. It's just got, in my opinion, just a little prettier.

Yeah, our snapshot I think we've mentioned on the show before, but I think it's been a long time since we gave it a plug. Yeah. So I use our snapshot on OpenMediaVault. Oh, we might get into that in a little bit. Yeah, I'll explain how I do that a bit later if you like. Yeah, that's a good tease. I like that.

That's an rsync front end, I believe, right? It is, yeah. It sits on top of it. Okay, got it. Okay, cool. Okay, so we've got a follow-up on a couple of other things we need to get to, another email I want to, and a Chrome extension that will actually make YouTube suck less.

You're not going to believe this Chrome extension and what it can do. It's incredible. So before we get to that, I want to stop, and I want to thank our next sponsor on the Unplugged show, and that is the awesome folks over at Ting. Go to linux.ting.com. linux.ting.com, linux.ting.com. Linux.ting.com. Linux.ting.com.

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and a real person answers the phone, linux.ting.com. All right, so what's the battery life on that Android L phone there? Battery life, you've got four days left at 44%. And does it say how long it's been running on battery? I couldn't find that. Well, you go up on the chart if you're on the chart there, and I'll give you the date. I think it's since the... Since the 5th.

Yeah, the 5th. Yeah, so I haven't plugged it in since the 5th. That's impressive. That's crazy. It extends it that long? Yeah, you know what it is? There's two things. So it's Android L.

That's the first thing. Second thing is I don't make a lot of calls. Right. So there's three things. Yeah, you know what it is? There's two things. So it's Android L. That's the first thing. Second thing is I don't make a lot of calls. So there's three things. And the third thing, this is the biggest I believe, is that I don't have it signed into my Google account. Oh. So how many days has that been on battery? That Nexus 5? Well, let's see. Since the 5th and today is

the 9th? The 8th. So there you go. And it's got how many days left? It's got four days left. Four days left. Yeah. Unbelievable. And I seriously think it's because I don't log into my Google account And it's got how many days left? It's got four days left. Four days is how you say it? Yeah. Unbelievable. And I seriously think it's because I don't log into my Google account, and it's on Android L.

Otherwise, it's just a standard Nexus 5. And what's crazy is you put Sailfish on this, or Ubuntu Touch, and you'll blow through it in like two hours. Oh, yeah, easily. Yeah. So this is what's so awesome about Ting is I'm rocking the Nexus 5. I own this outright. I only pay for my usage, and I can put my OS on there,

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by voting with your wallet. Linux.ting.com. And maybe grab yourself a Nexus 5 and then try out the L Beta. That's right. I'm kind of impressed. Yeah, just seeing that, I'm impressed too. Yeah, I mean, you've got a Nexus 5. How long does your battery last right now?

Let's see. I also sync to Google, so that's a huge thing. Just kind of going in. Let me take a look. See, I'm thinking I'll have to sign it up with my Google account and then see. I'm on KitKat and I have 79% remaining. I charged it just this morning. I've got

4 hours, 46 minutes and 7 seconds on since I last charged it. And he's got 4 days left. That's crazy. That is huge, right? That is astonishing. Is that enough to drag you back to Android then?

Maybe. We'll see. Oh, I... Battery life is, like, the killer feature, as far as I'm concerned. Good news. Good news. Look at this. Oh, look at this. Our Apple videos, our keynote videos have already been pulled off of YouTube.

These are actually usable videos. Seriously? Yeah, absolutely. There we go. That was the moment right there. Right when they're showing the ladies' boobs. Right when they're showing the ladies' boobs, they're pulled down our Tech Talk Today episode. What a bunch of jerks.

Fail. Negative in the freedom dimension. Seriously. Seriously, it has been a bad week. I have one, two, three marks just from this week. How do you put up with it? Sometimes I just don't even pay attention. I just am not looking forward to it.

All right. It's not like the appeals process is easy, right? No. No, the appeals process is. No, it's fruitless is what it is. It is. It is, absolutely. And in fact, you can even put your account in jeopardy if you try to dispute something that turns out to be legitimate.

Then your account can actually be shut down. Screw that. So Elroy wrote in with our next email to help us all cope with YouTube a little more. And I think maybe all of you will want to go grab this. wrote in with our next email to help us all cope with YouTube a little more. And I think maybe all of you will want to go grab this. So Elroy writes and he says, I've just become aware of the most important fantabulous extension for Chrome

that's ever graced the face of this earth. It's called HerpDerp for YouTube, which significantly improves YouTube comments by replacing them with random herps and derps. I'm certain in some way that Matt must have been involved with this great piece of work. It seems inspired.

One user explains it thusly. In the beginning, God created the internets, and the internets were without form and filled with chaos. Trolls and idiots spread upon the face of the deep, discord with their fire, and rage as their fuel. Thusly, the Tanner, son of Ganner, and son of Goden, who fought during the legendary battle, not Ganner, and son of Goden, who fought during the legendary battle, not known as the Flames of Boxy, and his bacon of hope, shined upon the wretched

world. And Tanner said, let there be derp. And there was herp derp. And Tanner saw the derp, and the derp was good. No comment even remotely remarkable was ever missed since that fateful day. You can find it in the Google Play Store. He included a shortened URL. He says, please spread the word of this great extension.

So there you go, Herp Derp for YouTube. Herp Derp, I love it. Not exactly Linux related, but I think Linux users can probably all say we've suffered a little bit from YouTube comments. So I've already installed it in my Chrome. Yeah. There you go.

That's awesome. I like the before and then the derped. So they have the before and then the derped. Yeah. It just says herp derp, herpa derp, herpa. Here's the first review. You, sir, are a genius. Second review, oh, thank God.

Third review, this is fabulous. The fourth review better be herpa derp, derp, derp. Yeah, really. I know a couple of YouTubers would love this, actually. That's great. Matt, or sorry, Martin writes, oh my God, how did I live without this extension? Anna writes, goodbye to dumb bitches on YouTube. Exactly.

That's it right there. Oh, look at that. It works. Did you already install it? This is awesome. Yeah. This is great. Yeah.

The bubba says, herpa, herpa, herpa, derpa, derpa, derpa. And wow, that's awesome. So there you go. Suddenly I can actually read this stuff. Yeah, I figured I'd make it much more palatable. So even though they're pulling down my videos, at least I'll have a good time when I go there to read it. So I thought that was good.

Oh, and if you click on each comment, it becomes English again. So if you want to read it, you still can. Oh, that's actually cool. So that's awesome because now I don't care what anyone says. This is great. Rekai points out that you could pair this, sort of like a good wine and cheese,

you could pair this with the well-known cloud-to-butt extension that turns all references of cloud into the word butt. Have you guys seen this? Oh, that's genius. Because, you know, actually, it bit me the other week because we did My Cloud Exposed, and then somebody sent in a screenshot with the cloud to butt extension where it said My Butt Exposed, Tech Talk Today, Episode 51. So there's a negative side to it as a content creator.

Yeah. It could be a little awkward. That's just brilliant. But you match up the herp derp for YouTube and the MyBud extension, and your browser is a much better place, I think. Who needs net neutrality, right? Just do this. They made one for Reddit, we reset.

Yeah, yeah. Okay, we got our last email that came in from EB. He says, proud papa, my 10 and 13-year-old boys took to a Chromebook I gave them. I hit up Google and put the thing in a developer mode, installed Crouton, and got Ubuntu installed, and they did it all by themselves. As a parent, I feel like my work on this world is now done. EB. Good dad. Right?

Good game. Yeah, that was good. I have the C720 sitting right there. That's going to become Dylan's school computer. Same thing. I don't even think I'm going to. I think I'm going to leave. My thought is I'll leave the Chrome OS installed for dad.

So if I just need to grab his machine and look something up, I'll have Chrome OS. And then when he needs to use it, I'll have it in elementary OS. Yep. Nice. I don't know about elementary OS, though. Well, yeah. Am I making a mistake? Edge Ubuntu, Sugar on a Stick.

Arch? He's looking at what it does, not what it runs. I know he is, but I'm thinking I would rather have my son run Arch. Yeah, well. Nice. That's the dream you can only hope for.

And here come all the Arch fanboys again. So anyways, That's all. That's a dream you can only hope for. And here come all the Arch fanboys again. Right. So anyways, congrats to EB. And that was one of the things that we did this episode on Sunday about the Chromebook. It's kind of ridiculous. Yeah. It is a phenomenon.

And one of the other common comments we got is, yeah, Chromebook is great. I can't wait until those $200 Windows laptops come out like we've talked about before too. It's great for Linux. It's funny though because at first it took me a while to sort of recognize it. At first I thought the Chromebook was kind of a threat and the Chrome boxes. But now that you can replace the freaking BIOS entirely, when you pull off that Chrome OS BIOS and you put on a custom flashed version of it because it's just an open source.

That's right. It is a full-fledged laptop at that point. And you can always flash the Chrome OS BIOS and you put on a custom flashed version of, because it's just an open source. That's right. It is a full-fledged laptop at that point. And you can always flash the Chrome OS BIOS. Yes. I did, actually. I did. Go ahead. I've been super happy with my C720 for, I don't know, six months running Ubuntu. I keep it as a backup in my backpack next to my Ultra Pro, which runs

Arch, and then when battery life drains, because the battery life is insane on the Chromebook. Yeah. Wimpy, you were going to make a comment about compatibility? Well, yeah. The thing is that because the Chromebooks are running Linux in the main, they're extremely Linux compatible. Totally.

More so than some of the mainstream PCs that are preloaded with Windows might be. Right, right. Well, and plus also because you can put C BIOS on there, and then you can have an open source BIOS. I mean, it really is. Yeah, I wonder if... Yeah, I mean, Stallman should be happy. Yeah, I wonder if these things are getting close to being Stallman approved.

I'm sure there must be stuff for the Wi-Fi or something that's still probably negative in the Freedom Dimension. Yeah, in his opinion, if anything does allow something that is negative in the freedom dimension, it's... And the value of this is negative. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true.

All right, well, let's take a break. Before we get into our first major topic of the day, I want to talk about Linux Academy. Go to linuxacademy.com. Right now, go check them out, linuxacademy.com. And if you go to linuxacademy.com slash Right now, go check them out, linuxacademy.com. And if you go to linuxacademy.com slash unplugged, you can still take advantage of the Summer of Learning 33% discount. I don't know if you can still technically – is it still in the summer? Can we still call it that?

I hope so. Yeah, it's summer-like. Okay, all right. I wanted to make sure it was still summer-like because I don't want you guys not to get the Summer of Learning discount. It is too darn important. There are a few things in life that are as important as your education, as your mind,

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You've got to get a monitor and a keyboard and mouse. You've got to install your – Not with them. No. Oh, wait. That's right. You don't have to do any of that because they spin up a server for you on the fly. Weird! Right as you

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I start to feel like I'm, you know, not accomplishing everything I want. I start to feel kind of bad about that. Linux Academy gives me the tool set where I can attack things as I have the time, where I can really easily conceptualize how long something's going to take, what's going to be involved in that process,

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It's never been a better time. LinuxAcademy.com slash unplugged. Save 33% and start learning right now. LinuxAcademy.com slash unplugged. And they have a Nagios tutorial now up there, which is pretty cool. It's like a five-part thing, which was a big deal for me when I signed up with them forever ago. That's a great, yep. I was like, give me Nagios, give me Nagios, because I've never done it.

I've never set up Nagios. And they have the whole thing up there now. And, you know, we were talking about backups. They have a whole thing on backing up with rsync, so you can go take that course. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. So that's another good example. Or if you want to set up NFS,

if you've been wanting to do NFS file sharing and you're ready to get off Samba because you're just talking Linux to Linux and you want to take advantage of the speed of NFS, they've got a whole course on NFS. And the thing is when you walk away from that course, you will have implemented an NFS server. So it's a one-to-one translatable skill set.

And it's great for stuff that you maybe have done once or twice for work, like four years ago or whatever, and now you need to remember how to do it for your home or whatever. That's what I use it for. Yep, yep. And let's be honest, too. A lot of us are self-taught, and there's just little areas that I have found that even when I go back and take the most basic stuff, like I did Linux.

I think it was called Linux A+, I can't even remember anymore. Is that even a thing, Linux A+,? It was a really basic rudimentary course I took years ago. Linux Plus, I think. Oh yeah, Linux Plus. Yeah, thank you. I actually found it, you know what? It showed me a couple different ways I could consider doing things. I actually kind of like, it picked

my game up a little bit, even though it was a really intro course. This was a long time ago, but I find it to be and that is true across the whole board too. A Plus is one of those certifications where you can use a mouse and keyboard. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. That's very true.

That is very true. I want to talk a little bit about SystemD. And then we'll do our Open Media Vault review, okay? So let's do the SystemD thing first because I think this might be a little quicker. We've been following System D since the beginning, and we now are in a phase where a lot of adoption has occurred, but there's just an immense amount of pushback. And I've been trying to get a sense of where is legitimate complaints, where do those fall, and then what is just like clicker baiting to get traffic to drive clicks for your ads. So I've been sort of doing some digging and trying to get my head around all of this.

And I don't know if you guys have noticed this, but I certainly have noticed that the vast majority of anti-SystemD articles are coming from two places. And they're coming at an unbelievable fever pitch rate. And it makes it seem like it's just people after people after people talking about this. When in reality, I see two people talking about this. And then the rest of the internet shitting their pants every time they talk about it.

And then, of course, it drives traffic and gets everybody talking about it. Click, click, click. Let's start with my favorite, Paul Valencia, over at InfoWorld.com. Paul Valencia recently wrote, you have Windows in my Linux. He says the schism over system D could lead to a separation of desktop and server distros or a mass exodus of Linux server admins

leaving to free BSD. Okay, that's just one of as many. And what's great is you can go look at Paul Valencia's post, and you can just read through his anti-system decrap. Then another, okay, so that's infoworld.com. Then number two, number two, IT World, Jim Lynch. Oh, yeah. This is the other guy.

In fact, these two guys cite each other as examples to support their arguments. So here was this one got a ton of traction over the weekend when I was prepping for last. Hmm, funny how this story didn't make it into the Linux Action Show. So here's the headline. System D rampages through the Linux community like Godzilla through Tokyo. Oh my god!

Brother. Yeah. And I've got a good little collection in the show notes of their more recent stuff. And I just went back two weeks. I just went back two weeks. Here's another headline. It's time to split Linux in two. Here's another one.

These are just the same guys over and over again, right? Writing these kinds of stuff. And here's another story all in their thread, all their timeline. Here's another one where he suggested. Here's the other thing I love. This is so great. When they also – when Paul self-references his own previous articles to support his new article, I love that one. That's a fallacy right there. Yeah, this thing I wrote a while ago, in this case last week, still totes legit, so let's just reference that.

My insane hyperbolic screed from last week designed to – oh, God. Right, right. And so here's a couple of things that we can probably agree on, right? The arguments against SystemD, it violates the Unix philosophy, right? You hear that all the time. It's one big thing doing a lot of things. Which is false. Too much stuff crammed into PID1.

Yeah. What's another common SystemD... Oh, the logging, right? The binary log. It's bad for servers. This is the new one. Which is insane. This is the new one.

It's bad for servers. Yeah. How is it bad for servers? It was, the concept came for the requirements of modern day servers. That's why. Exactly. Yeah. It was designed day servers. That's why... Exactly. Yeah. It was designed for service.

So the idea that Paul Valencia argues that what we need to do is we need to split Linux into two and you have system D for the desktop side and then the server distros don't use system D. Totally madness. It is absolute craziness. It is absolute craziness.

And I wonder, at some point, do we just ignore these people and move on? And does it actually dilute the... You know, okay, like, you guys know who Alex Jones is? Yes. Right? Everybody's like, well, it's a lot of people think that... Your buddy. Yeah, yeah. Alex, should I...

You think I should play the mustache? Yeah, I think so. Alright, I'll play it. Nah, you won't be able to hear the mustaches, so you just have to wait a second. Oh, no worries. What's driving me crazy is that photo right there. Zoom in on that. It's one of those cops in a black uniform with a mustache. And you just look like an absolute clown freak that works for murdering terrorists that jack our food and water.

I think you're a big joke. Oh, you got a mustache. I'll just big joke. Oh, you got a mustache. I'll just worship you. Oh, you got a mustache. It's okay. Nothing against mustaches. So my point about Alex Jones is like some people think

that Alex Jones is such an out there conspiracy theorist that he makes all conspiracy theorists look bad. So are guys like Paul Valencia and Jim Lynch, are they just so far out there with system?

Do they make all system D haters look bad? I just want to say they've beend that they make all systemd haters look bad. I just want to say they've been caught. Yeah. They've been caught. Exactly. Hey, that's a good point right there. I mean, if you look at it, they figured out a way to drive traffic to IT world and info world, and that's just to keep writing about systemd.

Yep. And then the Linux drones just keep clicking it. That's right. And that's because it's controversial. And so they just drive up the controversy. But there really isn't that much controversy anymore. That's since DB&EO adopted it. I mean, where's the controversy anymore?

They're making it. Exactly. And is this argument that it's not – okay, let's just – let's take the it's not very Unix-like argument. Yeah. Is this a valid argument, A, And B, does it matter? So I think it's a valid argument only in the sense that nothing else implements some of the things that System D does. And so because there is nothing else, it's somewhat of a valid argument. It's the most valid argument only in the sense that it's the one that comes closest to being factual, accurate, making but it's not that great of an argument in of itself i mean yeah sure you could do you know you could control your mouth with you know scripting that you've done you know by

yourself but no system d does it for you i don't know it makes me angry what do you think heavens no it's the agglomeration of tasks that are on system d that were separate to a large degree that's that's the argument there. I know Heaven City has a counter to that argument. Now, as the importance of the argument, I would say that one of the things we were trying to achieve is POSIX compliance and this POSIX concept was approached because it will allow us to have portable applications

across operating systems. That does require that other distros and other operating systems do apply POSIX standards, which they all have variations. And to a large degree, the applications still don't work, so the benefits are not there. Right. That would be the technical Unix-compatible definition. Then you have the philosophical, lots of small tools do one thing really well, That would be the – okay, so that's the technical like Unix-compatible definition. Then you have the philosophical, lots of small tools do one thing really well, working together in concert to make the overall system.

Well, and the fallacy with that is that SystemD is a collection of tools. It is not one single tool. Exactly. Well, but it's repackaging all of those single tools into one tool, which is the philosophical disagreement in terms of the Unix side. Yeah, SystemD is a re-implementation of some of those tools that have existed for a while. And I think what people push is the falsehood, which is that it's all crammed into this one process called SystemD that happens to be PID1 as well,

which is crap. Right, it's not all one binary. I still want to hear what Heaven's Revenge has to say. Well, I do believe it It's not all one binary. I still want to hear what Heaven's Revenge has to say. Well, I do believe it is very Unix-y. There is... A lot of people really do still misunderstand what SystemD is. It is one thing.

It's an abstract scheduler. The user space uses to schedule things. That's its purpose. That's its only job everything else has been built around that which uses that functionality that's why it's so applicable to so many things and that's why the systemd project the umbrella project has grown to encompass so many different things because it's an abstract schedule for. Because it's useful for it, yeah. So many things just need simple scheduling.

We can't use a CPU scheduler. We need a users-based scheduling system. That's what it is. It's just an IPC mechanism for communication and a scheduler. That's it. It is Unix-y. It's just one simple thing. It's just all applicable. So many things can use it.

Okay, Wimpy, why don't you jump in? Okay, well, I wonder if you're you clear i'm not a systemd um hater by any means i think it's um a great advancement for linux but i'm going to be devil's advocate here and one area where systemd is uh squarely not uh in the unix philosophy um is that you don't you can't pipe the utilities together. So that was really the crux of all of the Unix utilities, that everything is text in, text out, and they can be joined together with pipes to make a new utility by joining them.

And that simple... I don't care. Well, there is something to it, though. Exactly. It gives you the ability to build such an amazingly powerful suite of tools together. But at the same time, it seems like maybe we've moved from that to a different need now. We're modernizing in a sense. And it's not necessarily bad. It's not necessarily good.

It's called innovation. I mean, deal with it. Well, it's called moving the platform forward to the demands of the future and not just to the demands of the past. Totally. And I think the other thing that I recoil at when I hear people talk about SystemD is a lot of times people will say, well, SystemD creates lock-in. And one common example they will cite is GNOME now requires LoginD. LoginD is part of SystemD. So in extents to get later versions of GNOME, you must have SystemD because you need LoginD.

Not true. Well, and I would say, is that just because of like the binary logs? I mean, what? No, it's because it's because LoginD implements a set of functionalities that no other project is currently implementing. But it's progress. Well, the thing is, is at each level there, there is an API available. Somebody could write a replacement, a LoginD that doesn't require SystemD. That is technically possible.

And this week we have seen, and this has actually happened five weeks ago, but this week I saw the physical 100% truth. It's in the code. There is code out there right now called SystemBSD. And SystemBSD is a reimplementation of SystemD APIs for freaking BSD. So you can use things like LoginD and TimeD on BSD that are supposed to be systemd calls. This is a physical literal demonstration of the portability right here. They are moving this functionality to a completely different operating system. That's right.

So the idea that we couldn't re-implement LoginD functionality in Gen 2 is bullshit. Exactly. So we're moving it to BSD bullshit. Exactly. We're moving to BSD now. It's also emblematic of how efficacious the entire whole SystemD project has become like Heavens and Wimpy were saying. Yeah, and you know,

that's one thing Wimpy was also talking about SystemD shims, I believe. Oh, go ahead, Wimpy. Well, this is what Chris has just touched on. One of the GSOC students for OpenBSD this year has created those DBus APIs to replace some of the system D layers so that things like GNOME 3 can run. But this is what Canonical have been doing for a little while now.

They've got their own system D shim that provides login D. And that's how you work around that issue at the moment and why they're able to move their GNOME 3 components that they rely on. Isn't it, in a sense, almost a good thing because then it just gives us a common thing for us to write against? Exactly. Of course it's a good thing. It's just fragmentation. Yeah.

I mean, good ideas succeed and bad ideas fail. That's one of the greatest parts about Linux. When we talk about it at a factual level like this, it seems clear. I mean, it seems, yes, there's some disadvantages, like we've mentioned, especially when it comes to binary logs as an old sysadmin. I'll be honest. That's hard for me. That's a fallacy.

We can shoot that one down now. If you install a syslog daemon on a systemd-enabled machine, journald will push everything to syslog. And that's not the only one. There's a couple of ways. There's a couple of ways to pull it off. Yeah, that's not, yeah, let's say, like, I've heard of, like, five different methods

to get your old logging system back, you know, more or less running on top of systemd. So, you know, blah. That's garbage right there. All right. I mean, we could keep going on. We could keep talking about it. But I just thought with this systemd- shim thing, this was particularly interesting.

Narrowing it down to InfoWorld and ITWorld and seeing how they're playing off each other to generate a lot of controversy, which it's interesting the way it works, too, is because the things they talk about there is then sort of leak their way into the communications of the regular community. And all of a sudden people take it as their own opinions and their own stances and start arguing these points that are being sort of just ginned up for traffic. Which is what's scary about it because these guys are considered to be thought leaders or whatever in terms of IT or whatever pseudo-IT information you want to – blah. And so this just creates just endless controversy that is actually damaging to forward progress. I think it's damaging. You know, also I just just gotta say to both Jim and Paul, if they happen to listen to this show, you guys have been caught. You're done.

Busted. Busted. Busted. I almost, you know, like, I don't know. I almost wonder, do they do it intentionally? Who knows? We can't prescribe their motivations. Well, no, we can't prescribe their motivations. We can't prescribe their motivations, but at the same time, we can look at it and say, these are clickbaity articles.

They are that. Yeah, especially with the headlines. That's the only explanation I can think of. And also, just to them, we have an open mumble room, so if either one of those gentlemen would like to join us and talk about it. That's right. They're absolutely welcome. We would love that. If they want to call us out on our calling them out, absolutely.

Well, I can speak intelligently on just a piece of it really quickly. If you've ever seen the South Park episode where they explain how Family Guy comes up with their show titles, writing and tech is a lot like that. Our editors give us a big tank full of stuff, and then we pick words and make sentences out of them, and then we pick an article topic. That's essentially how it works. These guys know, yes, this is absolutely link bait. There's no debating this.

I would encourage them to come on here and tell another guy that writes for a living that this isn't link bait. Right, yeah, that's right. It is. I'm sorry. Sometimes I'm paid to do it too, but I try and come up with a little more positive stuff.

I don't know. Yeah, I think you do a good job of that. And that's why I think it's so damaging. I mean, I'm speaking from five years of working as a print journalist. You know, I mean, this is your only two arguments for self-defense for this are either I am

technically illiterate or I am a tool. Well, it seems like peeing in your own pool, too. Like you're eventually poisoning the well that you draw your content from. That's right. Exactly. Generally speaking, yeah.

A lot of times you've got editors, though, especially if you've got someone above you that's saying, if you don't hit this target, guess what? You're collecting unemployment. And that's the problem. And it's a short-term thing to them. It's like, I've got to make money for this month. Let's pour the turpentine into the aquifer and see what happens. Exactly. If I just have a few drinks, take a few

pills, I can get through this article. I'll be alright. I can swallow it. But that doesn't excuse it. It creates a causality. This is why this is happening. You know what? We'd all be a lot better if they just go write about the iWatch. There we go. I totally agree.

That's a good point. They should go be information reporters for terrorists. There we go. I totally agree. That's a good point. They should go be information reporters for terrorists. Oh, wow. Alright, we've got to talk about something more positive. This is getting bad. You can tell it's been a long broadcast day. It's been a long day. We're getting punchy.

So why don't we talk, let's talk about DNF here in a second. Fedora 21 coming down the pipe. We just last week talked about restructuring from the ground up how you deploy software on Linux using ButterFS subvolumes. I mean, that was, this is not that. The DNF is not that, but it is still a new tool that's coming to manage software, and producer Eric has had a little hands-on time with it, so we're going to talk about that in a second. First, I'll thank DigitalOcean. Head over to DigitalOcean.com right now and go get yourself your own server backed by SSDs

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And a big thank you to DigitalOcean for sponsoring. Linux Unpl unplugged. Okay, Eric, so let's talk about a package manager, DNF, which literally stands for nothing, right? Yep. It has no acronym properties. So YUM was what? Yellow update, was it manager or updates? I can't remember now.

Something manager. Yellow dog update manager modified. Yellow Dog Update Manager Modified. Yellow Dog Updater Modified is what Yum stood for. Yeah, that's right. And DNF was created by the Fordora Project and also Red Hat Sponsoring to take what is Yum and make it better. I don't. See, at first I didn't quite understand because I didn't really see what I'm – I didn't see a big benefit to DNF. So, for example, I would be using DNF to update my packages, to install a new version of something, or to install Chromium or something like that, right?

I would now call on the DNF command instead of yum command. Correct. Now, here's what it is. It's a drop-in replacement for yum that is going to actually take on the name of yum come Fedora 22. And you actually literally mean like drop-in. Like you're playing with symlinks and stuff, right? Yeah, exactly. I took and I renamed my yum binary to yum-legacy. And then I took made a symlink for dnf to yum.

Yeah. And now anytime anything in my system calls on the yum command, it's actually calling on DNF. Now why did you do that? I did that just to experiment, to see if it would work, and it does. It's flawless. In fact, it runs faster than yum. DNF is still using RPM packages on the back end. It's managing dependency resolution just like yum does.

It's using repo files like yum does. It's using the exact same file structure that yum has. The difference is that where yum pulls down each package individually, when one package gets done, it will actually pull down several packages simultaneously, therefore using your bandwidth to the best of its ability and also using your system processes to the best of their ability. And they've recently introduced Delta RPM support. Correct.

They introduced Delta RPM support by default. Before that, they had it just as an experimental setting it could make. Now it's in there by default. And I guess it looks like they have a DNF package history. Maybe you could do some rollback stuff. I don't know if that's right. Is that in there? It's in there, but that's one of those things that still has to be enabled by the config file.

So it doesn't sound like it's a huge change change but it kind of sounds like it's a direction to just it's like we're starting here and we're going to move this forward a little right it's actually a rewrite you know wikileaks was just asking if it's completely new if it's modified yum it's actually a complete rewrite from the ground up and i i think this is going to be across red hat enterprise fedora and sent os will all be using dnf correct by the time those versions release in the future i mean we're talking the first one's going to be Fedora 22, and then the next one is going to be, well, you're going to see CentOS and Red Hat

in whatever version they decide to release that in probably like a 7.2, 7.3, something like that. I was always kind of surprised that we didn't see any other RPM distros adopt Yum. I wonder if we'll see DNF adopted. Yeah, I see other RPM distros like.... I wonder if we'll see DNF adopted. Yeah, I see other RPM distros like Sousa. Sousa's got Zipper. Zip, actually. Zip. Yeah. And Mandrake has RPMI. Yeah, exactly. Or Mandriva. Yeah, Mandriva. They have their own thing. I have yet to experiment

with that because I have a, I don't know, it just seems like an irrelevant issue. URPMI was, I don't know if that's what they still use, but back in the day when I was a Mandrake user, that was almost RPM good enough for me. I could almost, Matt, did you ever play with Mandrake's URPMI, I think is what it was called? No, I didn't. I never spent as much time with Mandrake as I should have. I kind of toyed around

with it a little bit, and then of course the RPM stigma hit me initially and I just ran away almost immediately. I seem to remember you RPMI made it easy to add repos. It had a lot of app-like features. I always pronounce it

your ERP me. I think they still use it. Okay. Anybody in the mumble room had a chance to play with DNF or the new Fedora release with any thoughts?

I'm looking at you, Colonel Linux, and I'm thinking you're a CentOS guy. I am a CentOS guy, unfortunately. I've been out of town for the last week. When these kind of things, though, come down the pipe, do you load up Fedora and think to yourself,

okay, I'm going to learn how this is going to be for my servers in the future? Or is that like a thing that you Red Hat guys do? Or how does that work? That used to be exactly what I did. In fact, so much to the point that I would teach myself new features of Red Hat on Fedora. Unfortunately, it doesn't work like that anymore. The projects have split so decidedly in two different ways, there's almost no similarity between the two. That's interesting.

Hmm. Hmm. So I, I looked at, uh, and in fact, when I was at, uh, when I was at,

um, Linux con, I actually learned that I should stop looking at CentOS to, to see what, uh, to see what red hats like, because apparently those two are going to become, uh,

those two are going to become very different. Um, so that's a little confusing. Yeah, for real. Yeah. But so apparently even now I get, and I haven't had a chance to

confirm this but apparently even with seven um there are differences between redhead enterprise and centos they're no longer just uh recompile binaries really makes me unhappy yeah that's not good because i'm holding out i'm holding out judgment until i find out exactly what the long term play because let's say they take CentOS and make it into an enterprise desktop operating system. I'm okay with that as long as projects like, what's another one? Scientific Linux still exist. As long as it's something I can go to where I can build

binaries on some sort of a cost-free platform that has access to repos. As long as I can do that, I'm okay. I think that's going to be Fedora. I think Fedora. Cloud and Fedora. Server are going to... Fedora. I think Fedora.cloud and Fedora.server are going to... Yeah, Fedora.cloud, Fedora.server. Whatever they name it is fine with me as long as I have something.

And that's one thing that's coming out is that Fedora 21 is going to be the first one that goes by that Fedora Next. Yeah, boy, that's going to be a transition that is going to take a while to play out. And meanwhile, Red Hat Enterprise Linux will be standing still. And so at some point, Red Hat Enterprise Linux will have to catch up to all this Fedora Next stuff. And how do they make that transition? Because Fedora Next is a totally different beast. You can have a real minimal Fedora Next, and they're even talking about a Fedora Next version that's essentially rolling in a way. Well, yeah, they have Rawhide.

But, I mean, if you look at it, they're going to have to deal with the server, the workstation, cloud, and whatever that fourth one is. I'm not talking about Rawhide. Yeah, I'm talking about Rail. No, I'm saying one of the things they're talking about in Red Hat is making it so that way, I don't think they're going to be there yet. But I think they are designing it with the intention of sort of like CoreOS where you isolate out the server applications and the base OS is rolling. Yeah, and Fedora's already doing that. Rails is probably just

going to take on what they're doing and have a workstation. That's one thing Rails does not have is they don't have a workstation. Fedora could have Red Hat Enterprise.Workstation. That's right. Red Hat Enterprise.Workstation. It's going to be CentOS. Well, I mean, if you look at at the way SUSE does it, they have workstation and server.

Why doesn't Red Hat have something like that? I wouldn't say because SUSE does something, Red Hat should do it. I'm not saying that. I'm saying I just think it's surprising that they don't have something like that already. Noah mentioned when he was down at LinuxCon, it's like, come on, give

me a distro that I can put on the desktops that matches the servers. We'll see what they do. Yeah. Well, I'm looking for, you know, there's some Fedora haters in the chat room, but I actually think Fedora's starting to become a really interesting project again. Yeah, well, honestly.

I agree. Honestly, beginning of July, I could have been included with one of those Fedora haters. I decided to go ahead and try it. You've been running the 21 beta? No, I've been trying 20. Oh, 20. I've just been running the solid 20.

What are you, a masochist? What's the matter? Come on, man. But I did it because I wanted to get familiar with the system, and I wanted to learn how they do it and what they do. Well, you see cool stuff coming out of the project. Exactly. You know, I've been saying this for a little while now.

You're seeing most of the innovation is coming from the Fedora project. Like ALIGX. Wait, what? Random assortment of letters. Don't you guys remember ALIGLX versus XGL and those were the two back-end compositors and then you read Compass Fusion on top of that? Come on, it's not that old of a reference. What I'm saying is that Red Hat and through Fedora is pushing most of the innovation in Linux that I'm seeing other than Canonical with their thing.

Yeah, what? Yeah, I know, right? Oh. No, unless Popey's here, we pretend like Canonical doesn't do anything. Oh, okay. So anyways, some British company, I don't know. I kid. Wow. Yeah. No, I. So anyways, some British company, I don't know. I kid.

Wow. Yeah. No, I see where you're going. Yeah, they're pushing the innovation. They're pushing things forward and you wanted to be there. You wanted to see it.

Yeah, I wanted to see what it was like. And, you know, sadly, I think that as far as they push it, it doesn't run as well on my hardware for some reason.

I've got a little bit more experimentation to do, but... So maybe back to a different distro for you? Perhaps Archer or Boone too. I've got a little bit more experimentation to do. So maybe back to a different distro for you? Perhaps Archer or Boon too. I don't know. Have you considered trying 21 just to see what runs better? I might. Yeah, you've got this weird UI lag thing

that happens from time to time. Yeah. That is really strange. That would drive me crazy. Yeah, it's like I can watch it in like age top or something or even top and it's like I get this random spike from Gnome Shell, the Gnome Shell process. And it shoots up to like 13% and back down.

And then 13% back down. And that's Gnome 312, right? That's Gnome 312. Stable. Yeah. I don't know why it's doing that. It just is. Have you played at all with Korora?

Which is sort of a re-spin of Fedora with some... I have not. All it really does is include RPM Fusion and a few other things. RPM Fusion and Codex and Flash. Yeah, all of which come from RPM Fusion. Binary drivers. Yeah. Yeah. It just makes it a little bit easier to get going.

Yeah, it does. It definitely is a time saver. I have yet to actually try it, but it's not a bad idea. Just try it around. Try it out. I'm looking forward to it. We'll have a review of Fedora 21 whenever they eventually ship it. They've just delayed it again.

Yeah. It's been two weeks delayed so far and we'll see what happens. Yeah, we'll see what happens. I don't know. Alright, Matt. Well, I think that was everything we were going to cover in today's episode. We'll have episode 330 of the Linux Action Show on Sunday. So that'll be a big show.

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linuxactionshow.reddit.com Great place for comments, feedback, what were you saying? Open Media Vault. Oh, God, yeah, we were going to do an Open Media Vault review, yeah. Yeah. Alright, jeez, we better do that before we go i can't these shows these shows these have been going long these shows felt like a marathon today it has been a marathon no no no no we said we'd do it we can do it right i mean we should do it we should we should probably uh we should probably get it done today so So let's start with Open Media Vault.

Now, the Open Media Vault is something that we've had many requests to review on the show, and it's something I haven't gotten around to because I'll be honest, I'm pretty happy with my FreeNAS setup. Pretty happy with my FreeNAS setup. But I'd like to hear, well, maybe you guys can convert me away. Yeah, yeah. So, Wimpy, do you want to start on the – because I know you gave it a kick the tires. I'm not sure who else in the mumble room today got a shot.

But, Wimpy, I'd love to hear what your thoughts were with it and maybe what your use case was. Right. Well, I run Open Media Vault at home. I've got two Open Media Vault servers. I've got one, which is the current stable version, which is 0.5. And I've got what will be the 1.0 release which is coming up soon running on the other box and primarily i'm using that for nfs and samba sharing and plex media serving and torrenting iso images and uh just about everything you can imagine. There's a plug-in for everything.

Nice. So the 0.5 version sits on top of Debian Squeeze Base OS. And what will be the 1.0 release sits on a Debian Weezy base. So you can install from an ISO image. It's super simple. It's pre-seeded, so you have the ISO in. It tells you it's going to trash all your disks, which it does. And then you end up with an install, and you can boot into the web UI.

You manage everything from the web UI. And if you've ever used any of the… Very Freenaz looking. Yeah. Well, the guy that started Open Media Vault actually departed from the Freenaz project. Interesting. So he was one of the original FreeNAS developers, and they had some sort of disagreement. I'm not quite sure what the details were,

but the guy that's doing this is a refugee from FreeNAS. A refugee. A refugee. Wow. What was the file system? Well, you've got a choice. So when you actually create your disks um it's got linux um software raid on there i'm talking about the stable version at the moment um there's

a plug-in for lvm and then you can choose um any of the file systems with the exception of um butter fs which is not available in the stable version because in squeeze that's really really experimental i hear i hear talk i don't know how far along it is that they're working on a plugin for the 1.0 release to natively support butter fs without the use of lvm and software raid so that you could go completely to butter fs but i don't know if that's definitely happening or how far along it is, but I've seen several references to it. There has been some talk about ZFS as well, but I can't quite tell whether they're serious about that or not. So disk management, adding additional storage, sort of like if you wanted to go drobo on this thing and just sort of add disks over time, sounds like I'm kind of falling back on traditional disk

management utilities in Linux to add capacity and grow volumes and things like that. Only if you want to. So, for example, I think you've talked about SnapRaid in one of the shows some while ago and also GrayHole. So you can also use SnapRaid and GrayHole if you want to instead of traditional RAID solutions. Okay. That's not bad. I like that. I mean, like I said, there's plugins for everything.

There's some boring stuff. And the plugins would be things like, I would assume things like Plex backup, stuff like that? Well, let's look what I've got at the moment. So at the moment, I've got, hang on a sec, let's bring it all up. And I'm sure sync tools too, right? I'm sure that's another thing. Yeah, so I've got BitSync installed on there. So when you install the plugin, it installs BitSync as a service, as a daemon,

and then has a UI that then integrates into the web UI of the Open Media Vault thing, and you can put your shared secrets in there and all that kind of stuff. Actually, I would say the UI looks a little nicer than FreeNAS. It definitely looks cleaner. Yeah. I've got a plugin for Calibre. I've got one for Potato.

Another one for Cups. Another one, which is just a generic downloader, which I use for grabbing torrents and web links and stuff like that and YouTube videos. It's got a web front end for navigating your file system. Like I said, if you want it, it's got Grayhole, which is an alternative storage pool file system manager. Headphones, mini DLNA I use for streaming to amps and stuff that only speak DLNA. And then there's a MySQL plugin, an Nginx plugin.

Oh, you'll like this one. There's own cloud plugin. Oh, cool. Open VPN. Sold. Yeah, this is sounding really good. This is sounding really, really good. Roundcube mail server.

Wow. Wow. And then rsnapshot, which I touched on earlier, and then sabnzb and sickbeard. And all of these plugins, they don't just install a bit of software, but they actually have a front-end GUI that integrates into the OpenMediaFault web UI.

This is going to sound killer. To take a box dedicated to this. So it all runs through the browser? Oh, this sounds awesome. It looks like the browser management software also will go out and update the plugins too.

It's like a front end to app basically. So there's an update manager. There's another plugin here. I've used it a bit. There's to apta basically so there's there's a an update manager i mean there's another plug-in here i've used it a bit there's one for virtual box so you can create virtual machines on there um transmission plugins um vdr for um dvb and uh dvbs and dvbt what's it using for a base it's all debian so this is one of the reasons I like it, because although I've got the CUPS plugin installed, I've got, I think Google called them a classic printer,

which basically means not a cloud print-enabled printer. But because it's all just Debian underneath, I've been able to install... Someone's written a native Linux implementation of the Cloud Print API, which sits on top of CUPS. So I've been able to someone's written a a native linux implementation of the cloud print api which sits on top of cups so i've been able to install that on my um open media vault box to turn my classic printer into a cloud print printer from our android phones and tablets and that's you know because it's straight up debian i can do everything on the box, you know, that I would want to do. I was just looking for a solution for that.

Yeah, I was thinking about the same thing. So is that also how you got Plex running on it? Plex is just a plug-in for OpenMediaVault. Oh, this is so cool. Yeah. Wow. So the standard plug-ins, there's maybe about a dozen. There's then a website.

It's omv-extras.org. I'm going there right now. And this is where the community publish their plugins, and this is where you get all the good stuff from. omv-extras.org? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm looking at this.

This is great. And you can see they've got stable testing and unstable repositories. WordPress. Uh-huh. Oh, this is pretty awesome, actually. This is brilliant. There's Couch Potato. That's where they're right there. Can you see why I keep Oh, this is pretty awesome, actually. It's brilliant. There's Couch Potato. That's where they're right there. Can you see why I keep banging on about it? Yeah, I do.

Yeah. Wow. Don't stop, either. Share, WordPress, Mumble Server, if you want it. A Mumble Server. Wow. Mini DLNA. I can't believe it's Roundcube. I mean, Roundcube, wow, you run your mail server on it. Me likey.

Yeah, that is really cool. This is amazing. Makes me want to put on a droplet, too, for some of the mail features. I know, right? That ought to open up another droplet right now. It's going to happen. If you want to put it on a droplet, I've got some instructions here about how to install a Debian system and then overlay. I'll paste it in the IRC now.

Cool. I'll grab that. So you can convert an existing Debian install? You can convert a base Debian Weezy into an open media vault. Wow. Score. And they also have ISO images, I imagine. Yeah, they do.

They have ISO images for 0.5. Log it into the demo right now. What I suggest is create a virtual box machine with one disk that you allocate for the OS, and then add like five virtual disks

for your RAID, and when you install it, install it onto the OS disk, and then you can actually go in and use all of the disk management tools and actually experiment with LVMs and RAID or SnapRAID or whatever. And once you've figured out how to do it in a VM, then you can go and reproduce it on real hardware. Yeah.

Boy. Wow. See, I was kind of expecting OpenMediaVault to be a bit of a stinker because I was like, how are you going to compete with FreeNAS? But it sounds like it's a pretty big contender. Big time. The only difference for me with FreeNAS would be, of course, ZFS support. Yeah, ZFS.

I wonder if you could just install that. I don't know. I know that in the forum some people have been talking about it. So I can't quite tell whether the lead developer is anti-ZFS because of his falling out. Oh, that's a good one. He got burned. Whether he just doesn't want to take on supporting it under Linux.

But I think at the moment, very much it's sort of the traditional tools and then the plugins for SnapRaid and Grayhole, which give you those. Right, that might do it. Yeah, I think that would do it. Yeah, Grayhole and Snap Raider are pretty good. Could be a free-to-ask killer. JB Live 3 in the chat room says that he installed Open Media Vault on a Debian install with LXDE, and then he used that to migrate from Windows Home Server

when Microsoft pulled the plug on that. Someone's saying that there is a ZFS plug-in for OpenMediaVault 1. I can't see that on my system, but apparently it's there. Okay, cool. Rick has a link in the chat room right now. I will grab that too. So I will put links to converting a Debian install to OpenMediaVault. I'll put a link to ZFS on OpenMediaVault.

So we'll have all of that. Is there anything else we should talk about on OpenMediaVault before we run? Performance is stellar. So I've got really, really humble hardware. Open Media Vault, so we'll have all of that. Is there anything else we should talk about on Open Media Vault before we run? Performance is stellar. So I've got really humble hardware, and I'm using it as a Plex server, and it does real-time HD transcoding.

I wonder how it would run on my netbook server thingy. What sort of processor have you got in it? It's an Atom N270. Okay, that's probably better than... Hang on, let me just find out. I've got some terrible... Are you serious?

Wow. What, have you got a couple gigs of RAM on it? I've got AMD Churion 2 Neo. Yeah, so mine is more powerful. This is all cringing. Well, the other thing I was going to... What about... It's good and bad. Like on free NAS, when you install a plug-in, they're sandboxed. They're isolated. This is all cringing. advantage is the way FreeNAS does it is then I have to do this funky way to mount my data into that plugin or into that jail. Exactly, yeah, totally.

If OpenMediaVault could just see the file system, that would actually be better for things like Plex or BitTorrent Sync. Yeah, so that's how it works. In the UI, you have a section for physical disks, which is just all your drives. From there, depending on how you want to set it up, you use either

LVM or snap raid or whatever and then you end up with some file systems and those are the things that you actually format with your file system of choice and from there using the ui when you're in plex and it embeds the plex ui in the in the tool um you can point at anything that the OS can see but by default it wants to use one of the media shares as they're so called so I create a file system on there I create a shared folder

called music and when I go to Plex I say add the media music and off it goes but you can point it at anything on the system if you wanted to that's cool I don't even see a tool that And off it goes. But you can point it at anything on the system if you wanted to. Okay. That's interesting. That's cool.

I don't even see a tool that I would want that is not in the plugins page that you referenced. The OMV extras. I mean, it's pretty awesome. Yeah. And someone's just posted in the chat room, and I found it. In the 1.0 version that I'm running, you have to enable the ZFS repository, and now the plug-in shows up. Okay, yeah. Rick had just posted more up-to-date instructions as well.

That's awesome. Putting links to all this stuff in the show notes for folks that are listening on the downloads. You guys can grab that. Wimpy, thanks for the review. Anybody else in the Mom Room have any Open Media Vault experience to chime in with before we run? Is that? That's a good cover. We got great coverage from Wimpy.

Wimpy, I'm going to be checking it out, so thank you very much for filling us in on that. And keep us posted as you discover new things or try new things with it. Let us know how it goes. Do you mind being our Open Media Vault correspondent? That's absolutely fine. Okay, good. Along with Ubuntu

Mate. Mate. You know, just add it to the list. Just a few. All right, well, thank you very much. Okay, so that will bring us to the end of today's episode. Don't forget we do Linux Unplugged live like today. Boy, was today live.

Go over to jblive.tv. We usually start at 2 p.m. Pacific, but jupyterbroadcasting.com slash calendar has that in your local time. And if you don't join us for next Tuesday, at least show up on Sunday for the big show. Linux Action Show Sunday, 10 a.m. Pacific, jblive.tv. Matt, that's going to wrap us up. Have a great week. Yeah, you too.

I'll see you on Sunday for episode 330. That's crazy. Eric, thank you for joining us in the studio. It was great. Anytime. And thanks for joining me earlier today. If you guys want to watch our coverage of the iThink event,

it'll be posted on Jupyter Broadcasting. It might not be on YouTube because they're pulling our crap down like crazy. But you can hear Eric's commentary and insights as well as mine in the Mumble Room from today's event. If you'd like to catch that in Tech Talk today, episode 55. All right, everyone. Thanks so much for tuning in Tech Talk Today, episode 55. All right, everyone. Thanks so much for tuning in to this week's episode of Linux Unplugged. We'll see you right back here next Tuesday. Thank you. I'm so glad I learned about Open Media Vault. Yeah.

It's crazy cool. That was way cooler than I was expecting. I'm going to have to... I've only covered like half the plugins as well. I mean, there's just so much to it. And there's a bunch built into the stock system. I mean, just reading that page is absolutely nuts. There's nothing I could think of that I would want

from, you know, network-attached storage. And they're the community-contributed ones. There's a whole heap of useful stuff built in. So I've got the UPS monitoring online as well. Yeah, I saw that too. That's cool. Hey, Wimpy, I forgot to ask this. It would be something I could stick to a virtual machine and just play with for a while before I actually install it. Oh, yeah.

When I first got started with it, I did it all in VirtualBox. I created five drives, one for the OS, four for pretend disks, and I raided them and stuff in MediaVault.