LINUX Unplugged - Episode 78: Straight Outta FOSDEM | LUP 78

Episode Date: February 4, 2015

FOSDEM just wrapped up, where thousands of developers & enthusiasts of free & open source software gather to talk all things Linux. Plus we drool over the new Raspberry Pi 2 & ask if B+ buyers got a little screwed.

You guys see this TechCrunch is running the story about Avast did this report this morning that reveals a new form of malware on the Google Play Store, which begins to display advertisements disguised as warning messages to end users when they unlock their Android smartphone. So like, I guess it waits? Wouldn't that be just a different version of like any other website, just on mobile because I remember some websites tried to freak you out. I think the particular one here is that you're not opening an app. It's just happening as soon as you unlock the device. That's what it says.

They show a card game that it's embedded in, an IQ test game, a history app were also found to be effective. As if people haven't learned by now, don't install random IQ test apps. Well, I think they haven't. So here's a video of it. Let's see what happens.

Let's find out. So they got an Android device here and they say okay, now I'll unlock it. Oh! When they say unlock it, they don't mean unlock the phone. They mean unlock the screen. So when you unlock the screen, it brings up you an urgent prompt to do something

at the Google Play Store, and then it gets your stuff. Okay, so I misread unlock as actually like unlocking the device, but they just mean disabling the screen protection. Okay, that is much more, that is much, okay, that's a bigger problem. That's going to hit a lot more people. I'm slightly confused with the difference between unlocking the phone and unlocking the phone is.

Well, unlocking the screen just to wake it up versus like unlocking the phone to move it to a different carrier. Or like rooting it, right? Yeah, right, right. Yeah. Yeah, so it's just when you enter your PIN code. Yeah, or slide the little thing, it comes up and – Yeah. Yeah.

I didn't know that Google ever had urgent warnings or something. No, I don't. I guess it's all false. If I need to update software, it normally just shows up as a notification. I guess users probably wouldn't know that, though. I just can't fathom. I mean, I don't know what it is, but I just can't fathom why people switch distro. I mean, I get it if you're a distro reviewer.

I get it if you are, well, I get it if you've got ADHD or some other medical condition that forces you to like, must have change, must have change. I get that. But for the other 90%, I can't understand why people do it. I know a lot of people do it. I hate the experience they had inside of a distro. I don't know.

I hate change so much that I, yeah, distro hopping makes no sense to me. I always try to settle on a distro, but if something happens, then I might switch. It's got to be the grass is greener thing. You get frustrated or something just isn't quite right. It's not quite how you want it. In this case, Unity is great, but now Eric is having problems with comp is,

and maybe he keeps having problems with comp is, and something wears him down. He starts thinking, gosh, I'd really like to try this. So I think it's like a grass is greener kind of thing it's partially that but for me it's also a matter of okay there's some yeah there's something not working right in this case but it works right over here so let me try that for a while see how i like it right in your house if you if you didn't like the wallpaper in the bathroom you don't knock the entire house down and build a new one and then wallpaper the bathroom you don't like the wallpaper in the bathroom, you don't knock the entire house down and build a new one and then wallpaper the bathroom. You don't?

You fix the wallpaper in the bathroom. Well, no, I just switch out the furnace. I find that it's because the current district I'm on doesn't actually reach my expectations, and I just want to move to another one. The other thing with me is I just like to try it out, see what it's like. Basically because, and that's one of the things that is cool about being a distro hopper and being a producer for this network, I can offer a lot of valid input based on a plethora of knowledge.

Here's the undisputable facts. All distributions have little wiggle points that people don't like. They drive them crazy and make them want to use a different distribution. Ergo, everyone should just use Arch, fix the problems that don't work for them, and enjoy the Master Race Distro. Welcome to Linux Unplugged, your weekly Linux talk show. It's Jones, and for that new raspberry pie, my name is Chris. And my name is Matt. Hey there, Matt.

I'm not normally the guy that gets into these really small gadgets, but when they're talking three to six times the performance, I think, well, maybe I could throw Mate on that, you know, maybe even go. Oh, yeah. I mean, I'm just thinking. You never know. So now I kind of want one. $35.

We're going to talk more about it in the second half of the show. It looks like a pretty cool gadget. And, of course, we've got folks in the Mumble Room that are all about them Raspberry Pis, so we'll get their take on it. But before we get to that in the show this week, we're going to get a little recap of FOSDEM. Now, unfortunately, and maybe this will be the last time, I don't know. I'll see after I get the report. We weren't able to make it out to FOSDEM, but that is across the pond,

and it is a great open source conference and Popey and others in the Mumble Room made it and they're going to give us their update I think I'm going to be totally jelly too so that's cool I'm thinking that's going to make me go next year but we'll find out so I think it's going to be a good show Matt we've got a lot of stuff to cover and we also got some

surprisingly great feedback this week just when I was like I don't know I don't know if I really want to do feedback. And then I saw this stuff and I was like, okay, we've got to talk about this. So before, just to make our first email a little more poignant, I want to talk about a development that's recently occurred. And it's been talked about in our Linux Action Share subreddit a bit.

It's not technically Linux news, but you'll see why I want to bring this up. But it's come out that Google, Amazon, and Microsoft are reportedly paying the AdBlock extension that you might have in your browser to allow their ads to pass through AdBlock's filter software. The confidential details were conferred by the Financial Times in a paper that came out on Tuesday that we were recording this. So I mention that because that brings us to our first email. So to cover our first email, let's bring in our Mumble Room. Hey, Mumble Room, time-appropriate greetings, guys.

Hello. There's lots of people. I'm hungry for pie. It is a lot. So, yeah, we will get to pie. So guest one wrote in specifically addressing the Mumble Room. It says, hello, everyone reading this email during Linux Unplugged 77. The Mumble Room commented that Adblock is heavy, and I'm here to present you with a solution.

It's called uBlock, pronounced uBlock. And it's a you-decide-what-enters-your-browser. uBlock supports Chrome, Firefox, Opera, and Safari, and it's licensed under the GPL3. And he links us to it on GitHub. So I just wanted to pass that along to the audience. I'm not a big fan of ad blocks because, A, people have got to get paid, and, B, if that's how people want to represent their work and their website, then I think I should be able to take that into my judgment about their property.

And when I block the ad, sometimes I don't see some of that, and I don't see some of the decisions they're making from a content standpoint, Sometimes I don't see some of that and I don't see some of the decisions they're making from a content standpoint. And so I make maybe the incorrect judgment not to not to point out and single out our buddy, Mr. Michael, over at Pharonix. But I had been a user. I've been reader of Pharonix for a while with sorry, Michael, but with Adblock turned on. And I had a you know, I kind of had a rethinking of this. I thought, boy, I really shouldn't do that. You know, the't do that. The man deserves to eat and I'm reading his stuff. So I disabled my ad blocker on Pharonix and I was so taken aback by like pop-up ads and cover-up ads. I really haven't gone back much anymore just because it was so off-putting.

I felt like that gave me a different impression of the website when I had ad block on versus when I had it off, enough that it changed my opinion about visiting the site. Well, I can kind of give you my perspective on it, both as a publisher and as someone that visits websites. So I've worked with – so I guess the long and short of it comes down to this. I will take Adblock and whitelist any site that I plan on visiting on a regular basis. I want to support them. I dig them. They're great. Now, if it's a website that I want to visit on a regular basis that is going to pollute me with crap, then that gets a little sticky.

I may, in fact, just Adblock them and figure, hey, I'll support them in other ways. We'll find something else to have happen. Maybe I'll promote them or talk about their stuff or some other way of supporting them. But ad blocking software is a tool that allows us to choose how we want to interpret our content. The problem is, is that especially in the tech community, ads in like, you know, like banner ads and AdSense ads and things like that aren't terribly effective. They're just, they're historically not. They're very effective in non-tech circles, but in tech circles, they're pretty, it's pretty hit and miss. Right. I kind of just tune them out.

Yeah. People want engagement advertisement. I mean, well, they don't necessarily want advertisement, but they tend to respond better to that. So anytime you've got something on a webpage blinking at you, especially with pop-ups, I mean, come on, right? Nobody needs that nonsense. No, it's a bad experience. So anything you can do to block that. Yeah, let's get rid of it. Get it out of here. Heaven's Revenge, you had some comment on the uBlock project itself.

Yes, I've been using uBlock ever since it was coded up. I love it. It uses half the RAM of AdBlock Plus, and it gives a lot of preset block lists in their configuration. And it actually helps pages load a couple milliseconds, maybe 150

milliseconds faster than when using AdBlock Plus.Block+. No kidding. No kidding. I'm going to check that out. They say, here's their philosophy. uBlock is not an ad blocker. It's a general purpose blocker. uBlock blocks ads through its support of the AdBlock Plus filter syntax.

But it can work with custom rules and filters. That's really interesting. Yeah, it's completely compatible with all the AdBlock syntax, and I recommend it here quite often. Wow, it actually says that the overall memory footprint is less than with no blocker running. How can they claim that? It's because when you actually go and you block things,

and it isn't rendered by the... Doesn't have to load it. Makes sense. Yeah, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. And way less CPU usage, too. Yeah, well, Adblock has gotten big. I'll give you that so uBlock it is

well not only that but it sounds like they've completely sold out for what they were trying to do to begin with yeah and these guys got lots of graphs lots of statistics I'm generally a bad person I just block everything well and I just installed it and I'm really impressed this is wow it's also really easy to block things

you don't have to right click on loads of menus you just have to click on that giant power button, and it blocks that site. It stops blocking that site for you instead of you having to go through all these settings. So uBlock sounds like it's a hit. It's a little bit unusual. Oh, this is awesome, dude. Yeah, you've got to check this out. If you want to create your own custom filter, you'll get used to it.

It's really different when you make your custom filter. But other than that, it's good. Tyler, I wanted to give you a chance to chime in. I'll recommend it anyway. Oh, yeah. I just wanted to add, you know, sometimes I feel you don't even need an ad blocker to get rid of the annoying stuff. Just block Flash from the get-go and block certain scripts. That's not a bad catch-all for sure. Yeah.

Yeah. All right. Christian wrote in. Check this out, Matt. How cool is this? Christian, he says, I'm from Vivaldi and I want to talk. We were talking about the Vivaldi browser last week. This is a longtime Jupiter broadcasting fan, which is super cool.

And I listen to all your tech shows as soon as they come out the door. I also happen to work for Vivaldi here in the U.S., although I'm a Norwegian. We're a company with developers and business people all over the world, but I'm located outside of Boston with a couple of other employees of Vivaldi. Before Vivaldi, I worked in Opera since the end of the last century, which is also when I installed Linux for the first time, and I've never looked back at any other OS. We are, of course, very excited about launching Vivaldi,

which is the browser we hoped Opera would become, and Linux is important to us both as other OSs some people use and our own. Keep up the good work, and make sure to be always supporting Linux. How cool is that? That is so awesome. I love that. And I love the fact that he reached out like that. Yeah, Christian, we'll see if we can't sync up and maybe have you on a future show to talk about what you guys are doing.

And maybe if you can, talk about some of the interesting things about developing the browser for Linux. I'd be pretty curious about that. So I'm really glad to email this. I'm glad I caught it too. That's awesome. Because you never know. And of course, we want your emails too. Go over to jupyterbroadcasting.com, click the contact link and choose Linux Unplugged

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Alright, so I wanted to just cover one more email. It comes in from Chuck, and this is kind of exciting. We've been kind of kicking back and forth different production software for Linux. And of course, Ardour gets mentioned all the time, as does Audacity, Okun Audio got mentioned. But something really high-end, multi-track, do mixing, do audio, like a music kind of stuff.

So Chuck writes in. He says, you mentioned our door being a little cumbersome. He says, I agree. I've used it for years. But when you need to do high-level production, you can't beat the latest offering from Bitwig. And he links me to it, and I'm going to bring this up here in a second. He says, it's amazing. I use it for cleaning up podcasts, making production music, live DJ sessions by piping mix into it, and piping that out to IDJC.

Just something worth checking into. It does have a hefty price tag. I thought, oh, okay, this might be interesting. What kind of – is this like some sort of like weird old like, you know, XUI kind of app for audio editing? Because I hear a lot of this. I hear a lot of this, oh, you got to check this one out. It's really – it's a good one. And then it's never've got to check this one out. It's really a good one. And it looks like 1995.

Yeah, it's never a good one. Yeah, exactly, exactly. No, man, this is a good one. I'm checking out. They have a blog post up about their next version. The UI looks amazing. And there's a little bit of a video here I'm going to play. And I'll just play just a little bit for the audio listeners.

Don't worry, it won't go too long. But it's pretty cool, and If you're watching the video, it gives you a chance to see the UI in action, which is pretty sweet. So it's available for Windows, Mac, and Linux. It's called Bitwig Studio. Now here comes the UI. So there's the recording UI. Now you've got, I don't know, for those of you who are watching the video version, this is a super pro-level UI that easily, easily matches Pro Tools or Apple's Logic easily. Wow. Wow.

That's actually, wow. Yeah, yeah. I actually want to look into this. Yeah, me too. I'm geeking out right now. Yeah, this is, I'm looking at some of the audio stuff. It's just so sweet. So Bitwig Studio. Whoa.

This looks like one of the coolest audio editors I've ever seen on any platform. So I'm going to give it a look probably later this week. Do they have a demo? I hope so. I'm sure they do, yeah. Yeah, it does. It says demo on the page, yeah. Anytime, any big ticket item like this in software always says a demo.

They just have to to survive. But that's just – Take my money. I know, right? Should we see how much it is? Let's see if we can find out. Let's see. Oh, it's on sale.

So let's take a look. Let's see. It's on sale, guys. Oh, jeez. Oh, actually, it's doable. You know, for a high-end piece of production software, $300. No, that's actually less than I figured. I guess it's on sale, so I don't know.

That's about what I figured. Yeah, you know, if the demo worked out and everything like that. I mean, honestly, $300 for really high-end audio production software that has a good, solid UI on Linux. Exactly. And cross-platform, too. That's huge. I'm all for it.

Yeah, of course. I will keep watching. I would keep watching the open source software too, but this seems like a really nice software. But this illustrates a real defining point of, I love using open source apps, but honestly I'm going to use the tool on Linux that works. I'm sorry. I just am. That's just me. Hey, I want to give a couple shout-outs

to two threads we have going in the Linux Action Show subreddit, and we could use your input. Number one, first up, producer Q5Sys created a thread. Your help needed coming up with a list of the best GNOME tweaks and extensions. And this will have linked in the feedback section of the Linux Unplugged show notes. It's also currently sticky to the top of the subreddit. Now, here's the thing.

We've gotten a lot of extensions, which is cool. Like, I'm totally trolling it and, like and adding a few more extensions to my gnome, which you know is a great idea. But we haven't gotten a lot of straight-up tweaks and hacks. Now, don't freak out. We're not going to try to say, hey, this is great ways to break your gnome. But if we were going to have a little fun, like if we're just hanging out and having some fun, what are the kind of things that you do to gnome to make it more better beyond just an extension?

Now, extensions are welcome, too, especially if they're not well-known. We'll have it linked in the show notes. There is some future content coming down the road that may use your answer. I'll just put that out there. Q5, anything you want to – did he leave? He left. Not really. He's kind of still here.

Yeah. Well, he can chime in later if there's anything he wanted to add to that. No, I just dropped into another channel because of mic issues. Oh, okay. Yeah, is there anything you wanted to add to my coverage of your thread there? Is that good? Just basically, yeah. We're looking for more than just extensions. Yeah, okay. If that's other applications or other things that work well with GNOME that make you enhance the desktop experience, we want to know about it. I got a hack. It's called Cinnamon.

Yeah, I was going to say, I'm kidding. Okay. Next thread I want to give a little attention to. Which AUR helper do you guys use? I wanted to give a link out to this because we might do a roundup of this very soon and I wanted to kind of get everybody's

input. Right now, PackAUR is leading the pack. I'm surprised how many people are saying your word, you masochists. So go over to there and put your comments in there. Any other kind of like PACMAN tricks and techniques you have? Yes, I know it's arch-specific. Don't worry. We're going to do it for other distros too, but we're just experimenting with it because XOO started up, and I thought, hey, you know what?

Let's do this. So we're going to do a roundup of some of the tips and advice people give in there, and then we'll do it again for future distributions as well. So don't worry. I'm sure next up on the list will be one of them Debian-based distributions. I hear those are popular. I hear people like to use those. No, it's a myth. Aren't you on 14.04 Ubuntu Mate edition right now?

I am, and I'm proud of it. I'm actually quite happy with it, yeah. And you have a rough count of how many PPAs you have set up right now? On this machine. I think maybe two. I just don't use that much stuff. That's not bad. Yeah, you know.

Maybe three. Maybe three. I'll be generous. I guess here was my most recent run run in Ubuntu-based machine is I did 1504 alpha 2 or whatever it is to get the latest KDE Plasma. And I had about three or four PPAs, and within about two weeks of using it, I was getting a 404 on one of my PPAs. Uh-oh. I don't know. That just drives me crazy.

It's a small complaint. It's not a big deal. But it's a great OS. Yeah. Well, and it's something I would like to see evolve, because I'd love to see the PPA system evolve into something better. I'm definitely open to that. That'd be awesome. What I find to be pretty interesting is, I don't know if you saw, that Dell's going to be

shipping a couple of Linux laptops. And one we knew about, and another one that's a larger laptop. And on both laptops, they're going to use Ubuntu 14.04. Not surprised. I mean, because a lot of times, people, when they're buying a system, if they're buying it pre-installed, they probably don't give a rip about bleeding edge. They probably just want it to work, theoretically.

Yeah. And so that makes sense from, and from a support perspective. But here's what's interesting about the decision. The kernel in 14.04 doesn't have Thunderbolt support. So the laptop will be shipping with an unusable Thunderbolt port that may get updated later in 14.04. Again, thinking of the fact that it's – who's buying the laptop and what their general audience is. I think it's interesting. I just think it's interesting. I think it's still – yeah, I think it's something that hopefully they disclose clearly because that could definitely be a real problem if they're boasting the port and then it doesn't work.

That's a big no-no. I think it means 14.04 is a clear winner. I mean, I guess they couldn't really ship it with 14.10 really, but I just – Well, and how does Dell do that? So it's like, okay, so they're presenting this new laptop. They've got this port they're probably talking about. Do they disclose that in their materials? They must, right?

I would hope so. Just hope so. Wizard Jed, you wanted to toss in – if you found yourself in this position, there is an option, right? I actually had this problem itself. I needed 3.16, and I could not go and use the kernel that was in 14.04 itself. Anyway, so to go and get it, there's actually backported kernels themselves inside of every single LTS for every version above it. I didn't know about that, but that's something you've got to go and read the Ubuntu wiki about. Ah, well, here's good news.

And I was wondering if this is true. I knew they were going to do hardware enablements for 14.04. Well, JB Live, who just joined the chat room, said that there's going to be a hardware enablement stack in 14.04.2, which will be released in a couple of days. So that works, right? So pretty much by the time anybody gets their hands on these, the update will be out. So once you get your machine and you install an update, you'll be okay. It's not so bad.

There you go. Yeah, you reboot and you'll have Thunderbolt. Hey, isn't that kind of magic? See, 14.04, I tell you, it's a pretty solid release. All right, Matt. Well, hey, guess what? We're going to do a recap of FOSDEM, a conference that I think this is almost, I'm almost going to run out of excuses why I can't go, especially since I'm going to be going to do a recap of FOSDEM a conference that I think I'm almost going to run out of excuses why I can't go, especially since I'm going to be going to Canada soon

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collaborate. They say every year, thousands of developers of free and open source software from all over the world gather at an event in Brussels. I wish I was there. But Popey was there, and I've been Popey's been trying to tell me about it all morning and I said, Popey, save it for the show. Don't tell me anything, Popey. So, Popey, there, and Popey's been trying to tell me about it all morning, and I said, Popey, save it for the show.

Don't tell him anything, Popey. So, Popey, I've got to start. I'll ask Alan's question. Did you see the BSD people at Fosdum? No, not a single one. Sorry, Alan. I probably did. I probably did.

I probably bumped into them in the corridors. It's absolutely rammed. The place is- Thousands? Is it really thousands of people? So, the biggest room they have uh is um a lecture hall it happens at university in brussels and the the biggest room they have holds officially 1400 people and it was pretty rammed on more than one occasion

and all the other rooms get full as well so yeah there's a lot of people there it's a very very busy conference so it was yeah like i was just looking at it, and the conferences I'm used to, they're at most four talks going at once, and I think there are 24 happening at Fosden at a time. Right, yeah. So they have it split up into a number of tracks. So you've got a desktop track, distributions track, Internet of Things track, Go track.

You've got developers separate developer rooms for um mozilla for java mysql you know it's all grouped nicely um so you can you know you know where to go because a room is dedicated to a particular a particular topic so if you're if you're mysql heavy you would you would go to that room and if you're interested in most of them uh the mozilla talks you go to that room um but if you're interested in most of the Mozilla talks, you'd go to that room. But they have an app that you can put on your Android or iOS phone and a website where you can see the entire schedule and you can bookmark the talks you want to go to and then your phone will ping you when that talk's coming up.

This is really impressive. This is like the best system. It's unbelievably well organized. Yeah. This is like the best system we've ever seen. Look at this. Look at Yeah. This is like the best system we've ever seen. Look at this. Look at this. This is incredible.

I'd put in my bookmarks on the way there what I wanted to go and see. And the app updates over the air and lets you know when talks are going to be. I haven't been for like five, six years. And this is my first time for a while and it's just as i remember it's you know information dense there are a lot of very detailed talks there are some high level ones like a little introduction to what you know some project here or there is doing but there are some detailed ones and they cover a really wide gamut you don't you don't have to be focused on just one topic there's so much there so i i went to um if i i'll give you a highlight a few highlights of um what i went to one was um uh one from f watch uh which is a gps

watch made from free software free hardware 3d printed case um components you can buy off the shelf to make your own gps watch make your own apps uh to have a thing on your wrist that you have total freedom over that was cool um i went to a talk from the um tyson not tyson um yola guys actually both the tyson talk and a yola talk about both had a talk about uh porting uh their platform to other devices um which was good to see um one about there was a there was a legal room which was surprisingly busy see. One about, there was a legal room, which was surprisingly busy. A bunch of lawyers standing,

talking about the intricacies of licensing was, you know, pretty rammed. That room was pretty densely packed all the time. And that was interesting to listen to their interpretation of upcoming laws in both the EU and the US and whether they will impact the validity of the GPL, which obviously is going to have an impact on lots of people at a free software conference. So that was pretty interesting.

And there was also one in the legal room. There was one from Bradley Kuhn who gave a retrospective of a GPL violation that he had to deal with. a GPL violation that he had to deal with. And it's a very in-talk, and it's called fighting a GPL violation by coding instead. So instead of suing someone, they fork and continue developing under a different name. And the good news is that the Fosden organizers videotape all of these. I say videotape, and I sound like I'm from the 80s, but they actually record it onto SD cards or some brand new new technology i haven't sustained yet and they put them online

so you go to the fosden website and you can see a lot of these but there's so many awesome talks the one i think one of the most oversubscribed that i actually i couldn't actually get into the room the room was full was uh lennart's talk on system d 2015 what's new in system d it's been reported on in the press by people who were there people were like live tweeting uh lennox talk what does that make you think when you hear that right uh like here's a here's somebody who live blogged it and uh he notes that there was no slides none so whatsoever, no presentation. He just talked. Right. He had notes on his phone in front of him, I think. But yeah, no slides. He's a bit of a superstar, isn't he? When you go to somewhere like Fosden where there's a thousand or more people who

want to get into a room and listen to this guy talk about something that's very fundamental to the platform that they're developing on or developing for. Of course, they want to listen to it. It's like our equivalent of queuing up around the corner to an Apple store to get a new iPhone. You queue up to listen to Leonard talk about what's coming in a piece of software that he's developing. I think it's much the same thing. I had a couple of just not to derail you because I'm loving the cover. Oh, sure. I had a couple of quick things that he did talk about because I know you didn't make it in the talk.

So I just wanted to call out a couple of things. Console D, support for higher DPI screens on the console. System CTL cat, system CTL edit. You can cat the config file of any unit so you don't have to know where the actual config file is. But you can do system CTL cat Apache 2. And it will just cat Apache 2's config file wherever it is on the file system. That's something that's coming. Ping gateway.

Automatically resolve the gateway of all interfaces and ping them. Very useful for network troubleshooting and questions like, am I online? The ping gateway gets resolved automatically, so you actually just type ping gateway at the command line, and it will ping your gateway for you to see if your network is up. That's sweet. Here's a big one. Network D. Because networking is such a basic function of the U.S.,

Lenart believes it should be part of System D, so they want to roll that in. Auditing. Improved application auditing. He says it was for the NSA. Can log all system calls made to ETSI password. It sets E to the audit log. Resolve D.

Add support for multiple resolvings. DNS cache per interface. Journal D. Remote remoting. password. It sets it to the audit log. ResolveD adds support for multiple resolvings. DNS cache per interface. JournalD remote. A whole new remote system for the JournalD. The binary logger now gets remote support via HTTP. JournalD has a pull and push model. Pull HTTP get and request for JSON

streams from the journal. Push model pushes via an HTTP post request to the remote journal D instance. Allows for simple implementations of programs like via PHP and Ruby to send data to remote journal D endpoints. Since it's just an HTTP post. They're talking about the log here, people. It could replace this

log. TimeSyncD. The idea, it's not to run NTPD on every device. It's very simple, trivial, not a server as simple as possible NTP client built into system D. Automatic GPT partition table discovery. Even if you don't have an Etsy FS tab, which is sometimes absent on stateless systems, a lot of things going into system D for stateless systems. I'm giving you the highlights here.

You can read more on the page. But it'll do auto discovery of GPT, discover swap devices, and root partitions even without any flags in the Etsy FS tab. I'll tell you, the thing that's most exciting in that list for me is high DPI port in the console. You know, being able to run Linux, Lynx, web browser in a high DPI mode on a TTY. It's just, you know, I've been wanting that for years. Finally, right? The last one that's getting some controversy in our mumble room, they are discontinuing read-ahead.

They say in the age of SSDs during boot, they don't really have it. None of the systemd developers even have spinning hard drives. All systemd developers have SSDs, so nobody really wanted to support it anymore anyways. And they say the read-ahead bits needed during the boot process aren't really needed with SSD drives anymore. So, I'd agree with that. What about those of us who have spinning hard drives still?

It's still so minimal. They kind of pointed out that, yeah, it didn't make enough of a difference to bother maintaining it, despite the fact that there are people that are still going to not have SSD. Yeah, the main problem was that read Ahead only really gives you a bonus when whatever application that is benefiting from Read Ahead is programmed poorly. So as people went and actually fixed the applications, it became less and less important.

Yeah. So, Poppy, what was the culture like? Did you guys eat a lot? Was there a lot of beer or a lot of eating? So it happens in Brussels, and Brussels has a reputation for having lots of beer. And, in fact, the conference starts on the Friday evening, really. Everyone meets up at a bar called Delirium. And you need to get there early if you want to get a table. Otherwise, it's standing room only. And they have loads of different beers, many, many different types of beer. And it's standing room only and they have loads of different um beers many many different

types of beer and it's all delicious uh and it's great because there's a great atmosphere in there and you get to see uh all the famous you know free software luminaries who all go there for a beer um and in fact it's so busy that i had to queue to get out of the bar it was that busy oh boy it's it's it's completely rammed inside and rammed outside and there's bars at fosdem as well so It's so busy that I had to queue to get out of the bar. It was that busy. Oh, boy. It's completely rammed inside and rammed outside. And there's bars at FOSDEM as well. So once you get to the actual venue, the university. There's bars at the university?

Oh, yeah. Loads. Oh, hello, hello. Yeah, there's like street vendors selling Belgian waffles and, you know, other kind of food. And then, yeah, there's bars all around the place so you can have a couple of beers while you're watching a talk or at the end of the day, relax and digest.

So I just wanted to mention a couple of... Yeah, it's a very different culture. It's one of the reasons... Part of the culture of Fosdam is it's very information-dense in places, but equally, it's very social yeah it's a very very social yeah i love that social meetup so i just wanted to mention a couple of other things that are worth uh looking up if you can if if you find the videos one of them was a talk that i i was surprised i i i didn't think would

be spun out for 25 minutes i thought wow there's, it's going to be five minutes and we're going to be out of here. And it's by a guy called Daniel Stenberg, and he's the author of Curl. You may be aware of Curl, the command line tool that allows you to communicate with servers. And it was really interesting because I didn't realize how widely Curl was used. Oh, sure. And what it can do. Yeah. And there's millions and millions of installations. Every company uses it. Oh, sure. um a guy called ryan mcdonald who gave a talk called living on mars a beginner's guide and it was the closing keynote and the room was rammed with over a thousand people i would say and it

was all about how he's applied for a position on the mars one uh mission to go and one-way trip to mars and he talked all about the plan and uh the preparation and some of the pitfalls, but also how they're using open source in the whole project. It was brilliant. It was, if any video you should look up, look up that one. It's very, it's very positive,

very forward looking, actually made me think that mankind isn't completely living on Mars. I will have it linked in the show notes. I just found it. Good one, Poby. So that was that, was that your favorite keynote? Yeah, that was the show notes. I just found it. Good one, Poby. So was that your favorite keynote? Yeah, that was one of them.

I mean, they were all brilliant, and I've got so much to think about. And I took loads of notes, and I learned lots as well. And I took on board lots of information from other communities as well. So I wasn't just sat in the Ubuntu room all the time. I learned a lot from tizen from yola from mozilla and from lots of other projects as well so it was it was totally worthwhile and i'd highly recommend anyone goes if that was on the west coast would you travel the distance to go to it on the west coast here in the united states if someone else paid yes okay somebody else paid

that's always the trick isn't it yep well that's really want to go. And so they do a course every year. Yeah. It's in the beginning of February. It gets announced kind of midway through the year, like August time or something like that. And everyone starts booking their hotels or their train or their plane journey pretty early on. All the public transport in – it's funny you're gonna stand at a bus stop in in brussels and it's just nerds everywhere um and it's quite amusing when they get on the the bus they're all trying to figure out how to use the ticket machine and you can spot the newbies who are getting on the bus at the wrong end that kind of stuff that would be me that would be me hilarious yeah yeah it was me as well. Well, good. I hoped more of the videos come out.

When I looked around on YouTube this morning, I saw a lot from 2014. I haven't seen a lot from 2015, but I did see a couple. Right. Well, I mean, as Alan said, there's so many tracks, so much video content they've got to get online. I would think they're just about now, a couple of days later, having a hangover recovery, and they'll start getting them online soon. Before we totally move off just one quick SystemD thing, there's also a blog up on how Plasma Desktop will use SystemD. And in short, they're going to rely on LoginD for a lot of things, including device management and the inhibitor locks that LoginD offers where devices can get root, something like the login manager can get root access to the keyboard and mouse without making it

available to other applications. They'll probably take advantage of TimeDateD and other things, user units. So quite a bit of things coming down the road for KDE relying on SystemD too. So 2015. Yeah, the KDE stand was quite busy. There's a bunch of stands obviously exhibition area yeah and uh they had a few uh pcs out with um the latest version of kubuntu with plasma on it and i had a little play with that nice um it's nice to say hello to them and all the other projects

that were there was really good did they recognize you uh a couple of them did but you know i keep a low profile try and do people recognize your voice? Like once you open up your mouth, they're like, oh, are you Popey? No, I'm not as well known as you think I am. Oh, I don't know. I don't know. I bet. I was waiting for Alan to flip a table on that System D with KDE stuff. Well, they're working on their shim. You know, they got a shim. That's true. That's true.

All right. Well, Popey, that got a shim. That's true. That's true. All right. Well, Popey, that was a great update. Thank you very much. I'm Toast Jelly. Toast Jelly. All right. Well, so I know something that's been on the back of my mind all week. I don't know.

It's got me especially kind of excited. I'm also curious to see what Producer Q5 says. Thanks. Because he's a big Raspberry Pi fan. And the new Raspberry Pi 2 is out. And we're going to talk about it here in a second. But first, I've got to mention my buddies over at Ting. I've got a Ting device

now for like two freaking years and it's unbelievable how much money I've saved. It's like $2,000. I should take that savings and buy Bitcoin right now. Isn't Bitcoin on sale right now still? I think there's still a Bitcoin sale going on. I think it is. So I could take some of my Ting savings, buy up some of them Bitcoins. Ting is mobile that makes sense. And the reason why I say that is because they're finally doing it is. Yeah. So I could take some of my Ting savings. Buy up some of them Bitcoins.

Ting is mobile that makes sense. And the reason why I say that is because they're finally doing it right. There's no contract and you just pay for what you use. So you pay for a $6 just to have the line. That's it. Just $6. $6. Okay.

And then it's just your usage on top of that. You turn on Hotspot, you just pay for the data. It's not a big deal. And they have a great dashboard so you can manage all of it. I like that a lot too, because that's always been sufficient for me, but they even have no whole customer service if the dashboard won't do it. Here's what I want you to do. Go to linux.ting.com. Not only do you get to put Linux in your URL bar, which is always good for your internet history and you know it, you know you need to sanitize that by putting some tech stuff in there. Linux.ting.com, okay? That'll give you $25 off your first Ting device.

Oh, you got a Ting compatible device because you checked their BYOD page? Good news, my friend. They'll give you a $25 credit. That'll probably pay for your first month. It did for mine. I've got three devices right now. I think my bill's around $35, $37 usually. That's great.

It's great. Go to linux.ting.com and go check out their blog too. They've always got some great stuff over there. As somebody who's a Ting fan for a long time now, I'm always like, is Ting feeling the heat? Well, guess what? People have been wondering that, and Ting answered. So I thought we'd play a little bit of that. Kyle asks, is it easy being Ting?

And do you feel heat from the other carriers for being different? Well, I think there's two things there. One, it is incredibly easy being ting you know i think what would what we can't imagine is how hard it would be to be one of the big traditional telecoms now for us all we're trying to do is save people money and make them happy that is really really easy to do uh sort of trying to trick them fool not provide great value, that would be hard. And the good news is we're still well small enough that they don't notice us at all. I think that we certainly do get noticed for some of our innovation,

but we're not threatening anybody yet. We have to get many times bigger before that's true. not threatening anybody yet. We have to get many times bigger before that's true. Go to linux.ting.com It's linux.ting.com That's actually the lyrics to that song, Matt. Did you know that? I thought it was. I mean, the jingle just gets

stuck in your head and I'm humming it all day long. linux.ting.com Exactly. Thank you to Ting for sponsoring Linux Unplugged show. Guys, go check them out. I've been really happy for a long time and they're adding GSM support soon, which is going to be making like the mega carrier. That is so exciting.

It's going to be interesting to see who basically says, oh, hey, wait a minute. I got one of those phones. I ran it through the compatibility thing. Hey, this could work. In fact, they're also giving out some which, oh God, this is the phone I want so bad. The Moto X2. It's the new Motorola X with the 5-inch screen.

They're giving out some of those for people who sign up for the Ting GSM beta. You can find out more on their blog. Ooh. Ooh. That phone's so bad. No kidding, right? Hey, Matt, did you see that there's a new Raspberry Pi? Oh, man.

See it. I've been living it. I've been, like, trying to come up with use case scenarios on why I should just buy it. Well, here's what we know. It's still going to be the same $35. It's still the same about shape and size as the Raspberry Pi D. It's got a quad-core 900 MHz ARM

A7 CPU. They say about six times the performance. I've heard speculation otherwise. One gigabyte of memory. It's a 2X improvement over the previous model. And it is totes compatible with the Raspberry Pi 1 as far as the GPIO pin layout goes. And because you got yourself an ARM 7 process in there, you're going to get yourself a lot more serious things like Ubuntu Snappy Core, more different versions of Android. And, ladies and gentlemen, wait for it.

You guessed it. That's right. Windows 10. Proprietary software is not ethical. Yeah. It's going to That's right. Windows 10. Proprietary software is not ethical. Yeah. It's going to be able to run Windows 10. Ooh. That's going to sting a little bit.

Yeah, a little bit. But the B and B+. And then I think people will be like, oh, this is horrible. Look at this UI. I get my Raspberry. They got too much going on, and they released the B+, not that long ago, and now they have this one. I don't, I mean, whatever. Well, it'll be Windows 10 Chump Edition, obviously.

I mean, that's probably what it's going to be on there. Bentley, I'll open the floor to you, sir. Yeah, like I said on Coder Radio, I don't like it. I think having Windows on it was ultimately not good for open source, and it seems like the first step in Microsoft's whole, the 3D is not running off the top of my head. Embrace, extend, extinguish? Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, I guess so. I don't think so. I think it's actually going to make Microsoft look like a chump. I think it's going to be a clown show. They're going to show up late to the party. They don't even have shipping code right now. Linux has already had shipping code for years. They have a totally mature ecosystem around it. Windows is going to come to the party.

Is it even going to have a GUI? Do we even know if it will have a GUI or is it just going to be a command line version of Windows? What's it going to run? What apps is it going to run? Who's going to make apps for Windows on one ARM device? Now, it's not going to be one ARM device for long, but let's be serious. It's like Raspberry Pi is running Linux or production ready to be like the glue that holds the Internet of Things together or like this weird web server that runs your coffee machine

or like this thing that's your XBMC media entertainment system. They've been there for a while now, right? Windows 10 is showing up way late. It's like everything Microsoft does. They're just way late these days. And it's going to – a few people will use it. It will probably show up at a few high schools. A few high school teachers will use it and students will – it's fine.

It's fine. But it's not serious. I'm not worried about it at all. I think it, and students will use it. It's fine. It's fine. But it's not serious. I'm not worried about it at all. I think it's going to be a joke. I do like the irony of the fact that you're pointing out, hey, hey, has it even got a GUI? Isn't it just a command line version, which is exactly what they used to say to us like 10, 15 years ago?

Here's why I bring that up, because there is an expectation with Windows. With Linux, that's maybe the advantage on a Raspberry Pi is no GUI. But with Windows, you tell me Linux, that's maybe the advantage on a Raspberry Pi is no gooey. But with Windows, like you tell me I can run Windows 10 on it. Well, I'm starting to get a picture of the modern UI and my start menu. Like I'm starting to visualize or Windows. Yeah, but people are using the Raspberry Pi for the wrong thing. They're using it as a cheap computer, a cheap desktop computer.

And that's just not what the Raspberry Pi was about. It was about teaching people how to program, teaching people how to code. It's not about running a desktop operating system and browsing Facebook on a cheap computer. No, I guess that's what stream PCs and Chromebooks are for. Mr. Q5Sys, you're a resident Raspberry Pi fan. What are your thoughts on the new fancy Raspberry Pi? For me, it's too little too late.

As I mentioned in Coder Radio, I don't see why anyone would go out and buy this if they're actually looking for a decent system, other than if you're just already a Raspberry Pi fan. The Raspberry Pi 2 specs are actually less than what you can get if you get the Odroid C1, and they're the exact same

price. They're actually even the same form factor. You can use the same cases and accessories between them. The Raspberry Pi 2 does come with the quad-core 900 megahertz chip, which people have claimed will reach 1.1 with a mild overclock, whereas the Odroid C1, it comes at 1.5 gigahertz, still a quad-core, but it's been overclocked to 1.7. It comes at 1.5 gigahertz, still a quad-core, but it's been overclocked to 1.7. For me, the biggest drawback on the RPI 2, the Raspberry Pi 2, is that it's still 100 megabit networking. The Odroid C1 has gigabit. Now, it's not a full, absolute 100% gigabit.

I actually reached out to Jason, the lead developer with the Arch Linux ARM port, and talked to him. And he's talked with the hard kernel devs. He was trying to get me the actual throughput from them before today's show, but kind of had a communication disconnect. But he said that in his recollection that with iPerf that the Odroid C1 will do 400 megabit up and 900 down. Yeah, the NIC is a big thing. It seems like the NIC is the full gigabit. It's just the processor can't handle the event. Correct. And there might be some optimizations you can do there,

some tuning that can happen later on that might improve that. Yeah, the biggest question that's been going around in Raspberry Pi Circles itself is, okay, why did they drop this Raspberry Pi 2 just a few months after they dropped the B+, because we all went out and just bought the B+, because it was the newest one, and now, oh, look, there's another one,

and this is what we wanted to buy, but they didn't give it to us. And here's where some good old conspiracy bacon comes in, because there's two prevailing theories. One is that they took a page from Apple's handbook and put out the B+, so everybody went out and bought it. And then when everyone realized that it had shortcomings, they then released the actual item which everybody wanted,

so everybody would go out and buy it the second time. The second theory is that the Raspberry Pi 2 was actually slated for a later release, either later this year or early 2016. And the reason that the Raspberry Pi Foundation pushed it forward was to try to actually take back any market segment that Odroid would claim with their C1 device. Hmm. I mean, I don't know.

I don't buy that. I imagine the B Plus was probably later than intended. And then because of other things like, you know, we saw the BeagleBone and there's like a hundred of these little devices now that they decided to try to rush to. I don't buy it at all. The Pi 2 has been under development for a while now.

They've been working on that with Microsoft and with other partners as well for some time. I don't buy that there's any... I don't buy there's a significant significant competition from Odroid at all. I think Odroid is big in geek circles, but Raspberry Pi have a massive mindshare in educational sector, which is where they target. I want to just mention we're not talking about $400 iPads. We're talking about $35 Raspberry Pis. $400 iPads. We're talking about $35 Raspberry Pis.

I think that is why Windows is kind of getting involved is because they're looking at this as something that they can bundle and package for education. They can get a bunch of them, have a Windows version for it, and sell thousands and thousands of them direct to school boards,

school systems as, here's something you can deploy, instead of going buy these units by yourself. And then you go ahead and set them up and do all that. That's where I worry about Microsoft coming in because they've got the money and resources to kind of do a complete package like that to sell them and market them in mass quantities. And to kind of do it, they can work with a, you know, a reseller. And, you know, that's, that's a, that's, that's a little bit harder for the Linux side. But I think when you look at the

momentum where Linux is the platform that runs across all these different devices, not just Raspberry Pi. It's got the years of development ahead of Windows. Just the momentum there will keep the Raspberry Pi running Linux in the majority forever, I think. But I agree. I think there are going to be some areas that are susceptible to Windows running on the Pi because of Microsoft's ability to organize those kinds of things. Well, it does seem like something's something that's old-fashioned. The integration with their platform. There will be developers out there who are already.NET developers

using Visual Studio on Windows, and they want something which is a portable embedded system, and the first place they turn is Windows. So for them, it's perfect. For people like us, where the first place we turn is, right, what can I find that runs Linux? They'll go, you'll go Odroid, Raspberry Pi, you know, BeagleBone Black and a whole bunch of others. And we've got a lot of options. Raspberry Pi seems to be the only option if Windows is what you want.

For now, at least. I can't imagine that. Well, then there's the Intel Minnow board and a couple of others. But there's not a huge selection, nowhere near as huge a selection as we have we have a lot more choice there which is ironic really i think that this is just the first step since nadea has come on board with microsoft they seem to be back in their habit of looking to the long-term goals and not just the short-term things. And I think that on the Raspberry Pi 2, that this is Microsoft's perhaps their first step into the ARM market.

I fully expect them to create more trimmed-down versions for some of the older Raspberry Pis, and I wouldn't be surprised if they don't actually put out a version for some of the stronger ARM boards out there, like the new NVIDIA TK1 that has the Tegra CPU and 192 CUDA cores, and it's a system-on-a-chip, small board, small form factor. like the new NVIDIA TK1 that has the Tegra CPU and 192 CUDA cores. Yeah. And it's a system on a chip, small board, small form factor. Bound chicken wow-wow.

Could be. Yeah, could well. All right, Colonel Linux, you have something you wanted to add. I just wanted to get in there that every other time in history when Microsoft has tried to scale Windows down, they've always seemed to fail. Like when they try and put it into like Windows CE or Windows Mobile, those kind of things don't seem to work. Whereas Linux has always been, because

it by nature, it exists very, very small and we scale it up to meet needs. And that has always seemed to work very well. But when we need it to remain small, when we need it to be able to fit on a small embedded device, it's always done very, very well. Very true. It seems to be, you know, the fundamental way Windows is built. They have to tear it down to make it's always done very, very well. Very true. It seems to be the fundamental way Windows is built. They have to tear it down to make it work, whereas Linux, you build it up. You build up. Right. And that approach is even apparent.

I definitely noticed that as a difference in philosophy when I switched from Windows administration to Linux administration full-time. And the security model back then on Windows was sort of open by default, secure one by one by going through a checklist of group policy settings and all these kinds of things. And on Linux it was ports are closed by default and you open them up when you need them and those kinds of things. It's the same kind of philosophy only in how the whole system is built.

We'll see. I'm not too worried about it. But guys, any other thoughts on the new Raspberry Pi or Windows running on Windows 10? Not even out yet. I've ordered've ordered one so i'll let you know oh good in a couple of days i want one too i was tempted by it too i'm just not sure what i would use it for so the really nice thing about the whole thing is is that the vc4 driver that there's so much work has been pushed into is going to work on the pi 2 because that is the one thing that when i heard the pi 2 i thought oh my goodness I hope that they don't just throw all that

work that someone did reverse engineering the Pi's graphics for, for nothing. And it's going to be there, so. So it's improved graphics, though, but it's just the same driver? It'll be, it's a free graphics driver. The VC4 is the reverse engineered open source graphics driver that was made for the Pi. Yeah. Well, if anybody out there tries it with Windows 10, let us know how it goes, I guess. Go to jupyterbroadcasting.com slash contact.

Hey, that would be a good spot to send in any kind of feedback for the Linux Unplugged show. Just go over there and send it in to us. Good idea. I kind of want one, Matt, but maybe if I could come up with a good segment idea, I'd do it. I think that, yeah. $35 isn't bad. It's not bad. And I think, honestly, you want to set it in front of people that aren't geeky,

that perhaps are thinking, yeah, you know, I could use a new computer, but I don't have, you know, $500 to spend. If you can park it in front of someone that really gets value from it, that would be really cool to see. If it really is six times the performance, too. Well, and how many cores? It was like four yeah four yeah so 900 megahertz yeah i mean it just depends on what kind of a desktop environment you're running and

how you're rocking yeah yeah yeah and how it launches the browser yeah that's that's how facebook pages load right that's what's going to be yeah that's right but i look at this and i think you know the pie itself was already a pretty competent media machine. You give it something more performance. I think that could be something really interesting here. Well, and you bundle that with YouTube switch to HTML5 from Flash. Thank God. Yeah.

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Go bang suggest. Get your title suggestions in there while you still can. We'll go boat here in a minute. Go boat. Go boat, everybody. Hey, I saw a really cool video. It doesn't work so well in audio. But, Popey, I don't know if you're...

Are you still here? Are you still here? Yep. So I saw this great video that makes me want an Ubuntu tablet real bad. Hang on. I'm not actually watching the live stream no that's okay it's all right it's uh so uh pop pop you soaring or whatever pop you soaring whatever his name is oh yes yeah uh he made a video uh let's see when did he post this on this video yeah yesterday it's brilliant yeah this is really great so watch so those of

you watching the video version it will be linked in the if you're on the audio but he sort of fades in and he realizes he's running it on the desktop, and then he expands the app out and it all just kind of re-expands. I like it. It's nice. It's still a little touchy, but I'm digging it. It's a nicely edited video, actually, to show the states of the app. Yeah. That's good. That's exactly the kind of advocacy you need.

It gets people, you know, they can wrap their brains around it. It looks really good. There's basically two guys who wrote that app. That music app, Andrew and Victor wrote that with some designs from the design team. I just love what they're doing. Yeah, that is really good. So I will have a link to that in the post-show show notes if people want to watch that. And I'll drop it in the chat room right now.

All right, okay. You guys got to go to jbtitles.com. We got to vote on this thing. Chris, that Bitwig demo is a 145 megabyte dev file for Ubuntu, just so you know. I'm sorry. Did I laugh out loud? I'm not as smart, but my bad.

No, I'm sure you can probably arch it up pretty easy. Oh, yeah. Okay, so Pi to win. That's not too bad. Fosdum nerd herds. That's not bad. Straight out of Fosdum. Oh, I. Okay, so pie to win. That's not too bad. Fosdom nerd herds. That's not bad. Straight out of Fosdom. Oh, I kind of like that. Yeah, get a beat going. I kind of like that. That's kind of straight out of Fosdom.

A little bit of NWA going on there. Yeah, I can see that. All right, go over the titles. Go boat, everybody. Gotta get your grill. There we go. Yeah, it's going up to the top of the charts right there. There it is. Very nice.

Very nice. All right, guys. Well, I think we're going to go with that. Boy, that was one of our easier titles. That was really easy, actually. Something I didn't mention there. Have you ever seen a key signing party? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

They do those there? So they do this massive key signing party. It was going for like two hours. I went into a talk and came out and the people were still there. They're standing in a line, right? So imagine like two lines of people facing each other, like some kind of weird country dancing thing, right, where they're facing each other and they've all got these little notepads

and they've all got their government-issued ID and they've all got their printouts of their keys and stuff. And when they've done someone, they just move down the line and you move to the next one. And they were just there for ages and ages, all these people signing each other's keys. It was amazing.

Yeah, that's a good way to do it. I wonder if Keybase.io would help with that. Yeah, maybe. All right, well, I guess it's time to put my pants back on. Yeah, that'd be a good time. All right, guys. Yeah, maybe. All right. Well, I guess it's time to put my pants back on. Yeah, that'd be a good time. All right, guys. Thanks very much. Good show.

Cheers, Chris. See you next week.