LINUX Unplugged - Episode 99: Finger on the Pulse of Video | LUP 99

Episode Date: July 1, 2015

Will Pinos bring to Linux Video What PulseAudio did for audio? We discuss this major development that breaks during the show.Also, a great discussion about the new Linux Mint release that leads to a heated debate about the long-term usefulness of boring distributions & why we Linux advocates might think they are more useful than they truly are.Plus some big follow up, the Mumble room gets unplugged & much more!

All right, I got a question for you. Anybody in the Mumble room or anybody in the chat room trying out Pale Moon? I don't know. I guess after this whole Chromium downloading a binary in the background thing, I'm kind of just keeping my eyes open. And I've known about Pale Moon for a while. It's an open-source Firefox web browser, and it's available for Linux and other operating systems that probably exist,

but I can't confirm their existence. So if you like everything about Firefox, but you want to independently develop source With carefully selected features and optimizations To maximize the browser's speed, stability, and user experience Pale Moon Anybody trying it in the mumble room? I tried out Pale Moon for a while But there were a few of my plugins that just straight up

Wouldn't work with it, so I had to go back to Firefox Oh really, Romeo? Do you remember which ones in particular stood out to you? Off the top of my head I think that it may have been Ublock Origin, but I'm not 100% on that. Pursuitaman says he can't watch Netflix on it. Rotten Corpse, did you try it out at one point? Well, yeah, but I've tried out pretty much everything. Everything.

Like Ice Weasel, Ice Cat, everything that's based on Firefox, just to see the difference in stuff. And they're pretty much all the same. They're pretty much Firefox with slight tweaks. Branding removed, obviously. It's still Firefox. It doesn't matter. The only thing I actually hate right now about Firefox is why I'm not using it, is that stupid pocket crap they...

That's what makes you stop using Firefox is the pocket integration? What about decent process isolation? I think the process isolation is awesome if you ever try to like trellises. Have you? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, okay. All right, fine. Fine, I'm not going to give it to this.

I'm not going down this conversation again. I've done too many episodes where people have told me about all the stuff that Firefox is going to do one day. Firefox is great. It's great. You can get it right now. You can use it today. It's ready to go. It's production ready. That's why it's included with every single Firefox installed by default. I didn't say it was production ready.

I said it was available. I'm with Chris on that one because I've used electrolysis for a few weeks on Nightly when it first came out. But Chris on this one. That was a long time ago when it first came out. Shut up. What?

Chris. The only thing I'm going to point out is. I would not enable electrolysis on my grandmother's computer just to. What about your computer you're recording shows on? Yeah, because I would get a call every 10 minutes. Oh, why is my browser not working? No, I mean, like, on my personal laptop, like my XPS 13, yeah, sure, why not?

Have fun with it. But on the machines that I'm just... You know, on the machines that I'm displaying displaying web pages on for shows and things like that, Chrome I just feel like is the best bet still. I hate it. This is Linux Unplugged, your weekly Linux talk show that wonders, perhaps, somewhere out there, is there a beer keg and an air conditioner combo? My name is Chris, and today is a hot day in the studio.

It's 90 degrees as we record episode 99. Somehow, that almost feels appropriate. I'm not even going to complain. Should be hot on episode 99. Now, coming up on this week's episode of the Unplugged program, we're going to talk about Cisco buying our favorite DNS service, OpenDNS. We're also going to talk about Linux Mint 17.2 being released, the new Cinnamon edition of that, as well as Valve's huge news regarding Steam machines and Pulse video?

Is it going to be the Pulse audio for Linux's video woes? That rumor is circulating around the web this week. We'll be discussing that, as well as the next meetup for the Jupyter Broadcasting crew and a little bit more. In fact, I know you guys, you'll have to just, you'll just have to grant me this one. Sometimes I love to talk about video gaming under Linux because I feel like there's so much potential here. It's such a good system and games need an open platform so that way artists can express their passion. And Linux and open source are so perfect for that. So this week I'm going

to, I will resist the temptations, but I have to share at least one amazing game that I've been, it's a category of games that I've been waiting to come to Linux for a long time that have been severely lacking. I won't spend a lot of time on it. But as a little treat to myself, I'm also going to talk about one of my new favorite games that's come to Linux. And I really want you to try it. I won't spend too much time, but you've got to give it to me. You've got to give it to me. But first, we have some interesting follow-up on some stories we've been covering in the Unplugged program.

And so I want to bring in our virtual lug. Time-appropriate greetings, Mumbleroom. Greetings. Hello. Greetings. Hello. Hello. Now, Popey, I hope you'll forgive me.

I got half of the mix right. I've had a lot of beer today, but I didn't have any curry. There's a local brewery nearby. I stopped by while I was prepping the show. They didn't serve curry, though. In fact, when I asked them about curry, they looked at me like I was a crazy person. Outrage. I know. I know. So about curry, they looked at me like I was a crazy person. Outrage. I know, I know.

So, yeah, you'll have to forgive me. I didn't have any beer and curry. I just had the beer part. But it was lovely. It is almost 90 here at the studio today, which means it's like 5 or 7 or 10 more degrees in the studio as we record. And I was like, I really, really, really, really want to do an episode outside. And my goal was to do episode 100 as a meetup if possible. And then holy crap, LinuxFest came up, and Self came up, and BSDGAN came up,

and now OSCON is just a little bit away, and episode 100 just snuck up on me. But if you're out there, if you're listening to this episode, and you're in the Pacific Northwest area and would like to come to the Jupiter Broadcasting Studio for episode 100, shoot me an email, chris at jupiterbroadcasting.com and ccangela at jupiterbroadcasting.com. And for episode 100, we could do a mini meetup here in the studio. It is an open invitation to any of you who would like to join me next Tuesday around 1 o'clock Pacific time. If you'd like to come in studio and hang out, join me. Just shoot an email, chris at jupiterbroadcasting.com.

And if enough of you show up, I'll do some barbecuing. Maybe. And also this week, please forgive the air conditioner in the background. It is hot in here. So why don't we start with OSCON? I just gave kind of a mention. And we're going to be there. The crew, well, it's going to be like a reduced crew.

It's going to be Noah and I. We're going to be getting clips for Unplugged and Linux Action Show. We'll be at OSCON on the 22nd. OSCON itself runs July 20th through the 24th. It's going to be getting clips for Unplugged and Linux Action Show. We'll be at OSCON on the 22nd. OSCON itself runs July 20th through the 24th. It's going to be in Portland, Oregon. And here's the big bit. It's the last OSCON in Portland. I know.

I think they're moving to, like, Texas? But I'm a little sad because, you know, I can just take the train down to Portland. But I think it's a smart move. They've spent a lot of time in Portland, and Portland's an amazing area. But Texas has really seen some serious development. And so it's a good opportunity. I've been getting a lot of emails from listeners asking me to come down to the Texas area.

Really, it's been ramping up over the last couple of years. And now it's a steady drumbeat. Come down to Texas. Come down to Texas. Come down to Texas. And so I think OSCON is also getting that same drum beat and is responding. So Noah and I were talking about this because we've enjoyed the fact that

it's great to be able to do these conventions that are in our backyard and when you can take a train ride down to Portland, how do you beat that? So we decided since this is going to be the last OSCON in Portland, going from the 20th to the 24th, we're going to have a little get-together. We're going to have a little party to celebrate it.

Because this, why not, right? Because it gives you folks in the Portland area, even if you're not going to OSCON, a chance to catch up with us. We'll talk Linux and open source about all the things that excite us. We'll get together. We'll have some good food. And if you are going to make it to OSCON, you can say hi to us at the conference. We're going to be there Wednesday, July 22nd.

We're going to be there Wednesday, July 22nd. We're going to be there Wednesday, July 22nd. And then we're going to go out to dinner at 5 p.m. Right now, we have all of the details at meetup.com slash jupiterbroadcasting. We're going to go to Spirit of 77. It's a bar that has a big area. So if enough of you sign up at meetup.com slash jupiterbroadcasting for this one, I got it linked in the show notes. We can reserve the top floor. They have a dedicated area for large groups.

And if just a handful of you are going to make it, then we'll just hang out in the bar area down below. Either way, it's going to work out great. So our plan is on Wednesday, July 22nd, to be at OSCON in Portland, Oregon at the Exposition Center. Got all the details on the meetup page. And then we'll go out to dinner at 5 p.m. And we'll be at Spirit of 77. Now that may change. Those details may change. The best way to stay informed of that is be at the meetup page because if we get a bunch of you to go to the meetup page that are under 21, we might want to change the location. That's why you need to go there and represent

so we can let the location know how many people are going to show up. So let's go to OSCON. If you're going to be there, use our promo code Linux. You'll get a 20% discount on your ticket, and let's have a party. It'll be good to see all of you guys, and it'll be a 20% discount on your ticket. And let's have a party. It'll be good to see all of you guys. And it'll be a belated episode 100 celebration. In the meantime, you're welcome to show up here next week.

Just shoot me an email, chris at jupiterbroadcasting.com. Show up in studio. We'll hang out. I got a mic. You can chat about stuff and maybe eat some barbecue. chris at jupiterbroadcasting.com if you want to be here next week. meetup.com slash jupiterbroadcasting if you want to join us for dinner while we're in Portland on the 22nd. How about all that? I'm really looking forward to all of that.

It's good to get out, especially when it's nice. I want to get out and about, maybe get a little physical activity in. Now, Mr. Corpse, are you still listening? Come back if you're not in here. Join us when you get a moment, Mr. Corpse. Come back into the mumble room because I want to talk about SolOS. Now, remember, we covered this a little bit ago, the day of change. We interviewed the developer and all of this, and they have their first daily ISO available after all of their big transition, all of their big work. This is a follow-up to that. We have the results, the fruits

of that labor. It's available now for you to go download and try it out. They have the Bungie desktop featured right here. In a nutshell, it's built directly from the latest Unstable Development material. Now, it's brand spanking new, and it's available at the high, high price of $0. So you can go check it out. We'll have a link in the show notes.

It's solus, S-O-L-U-S dash project dot com. They have their new daily ISO. And I'm just excited. I wanted to give them a little follow-up since we've been watching the project since they left. Mr. They have their new daily ISO. And I'm just excited. I wanted to give them a little follow-up since we've been watching the project since they left. Mr. Corpse, did you have anything to add to the Solo S release or anything from the project that you've heard? No, I mean, I've used it and they're actually changing some dependencies with some like the GNOME and GTK

stuff they're doing. So they're actually moving to Clutter. Oh, really? As the base, yeah. I'm not sure exactly how much. They said that their old dependency was limiting them, so they're going to change to Clutter to be able to benefit from the Clutter development instead of doing it completely by themselves. It's neat to see these distros continue on, and so I wanted to give them a brief mention

since we did have them on the show before. And I love, it's an interesting, it's another take on the GTK3 desktop. It doesn't have, you know, I think GTK3 and GTKs, I love the way those applications look. I'm still a huge fan. I think Qt is great too.

But maybe you are not a huge fan of the way the GNOME project has sort of moved forward. You're not a huge fan of how they've implemented that vision, and you'd like to see another take on it? Check them out. Solos-project.com. We'll have a link in the show notes, and congrats to them for getting their first ISO out. You know, when they were on the show, they said they were going to do it. But at that time, it was in the shadow of a big name-change controversy, a little bit of a mix-up.

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out. Alright, so let's cover a couple more things before we get into the topic that I'm really, really, really itching to talk to you guys about. But I want to give a nod to the Mint project. Linux Mint 17.2 Cinnamon Edition has been released, and it came out today. I don't have any current plans to review it, but that may change. One of the things that's interesting about this release is it's supported until 2019. 2019. 2019.

I wonder how they do that. Probably some sort of... I'm sure they just... probably some sort of magic. So I've talked about... Yeah, I know. I know. That was the joke. Thank you. Nice. So lots of

improvements to Cinnamon. I mean, this is really a performance improvement to Cinnamon. Multi-monitor support has been improved. Lots of cleanup and performance. I don't really have a lot to add here. In my opinion, the bigger story about Mint, and I mean no disrespect to the project because I think this is a totally valid track to take. The most interesting thing about Mint is that it's getting boring. I mean, really, though.

Like, it's got... You know, it's like the good stuff about Ubuntu with some more modern desktop takes on it and some refinements. And it's fine. It works good, and it's exactly like, it continues to be a great option for a lot of people. I just, the more it goes down this path, the less and less it appeals to me. When Mint started, it was Ubuntu plus Codex and other nice things. It was all the stuff you did to Ubuntu already done for you in a really tasteful, clean, well-designed way.

And then as it moved forward, it stayed along that path and it deviated and Cinnamon came up and Matei came up. And these things came up, but they still kind of made sense for the overall. It's Ubuntu, but better. I think it's ubuntu but better i think it's it's still that but i i don't know i mean for some reason as it's gone down more the tried and true path and it and it's not pushing it's almost like it's gotten a little tired like mint's a little tired right now and it doesn't want to push the edges anymore it just wants to continue to build what it knows to be good. The world that it's created continues to be okay. And it wants to refine and iterate on that.

And I think maybe that's not all that appealing to me. Mumble Room, what are your thoughts? So my perspective on this is Mint, as my understanding when I used it, was that they do take a lot of the feedback from the community and what the community deems important as the first thing to be solved. And I can tell you that you could pretty much complain in the IRC, quote-unquote, and see results in the next week or in the next release about what you just complained. So maybe the stagnation comes from a type of user base that

wants some consolidation in some aspects. And because they are doing something slightly different, and perhaps they're stretching a little bit on what they can actually do. And so they're just trying to focus that on a little while until they develop the new concept and it's ready enough to roll out. So I wanted to give you a chance to jump in, too. So, speaking of Linux Mint in 17.2, one of the things that they implemented for the Citibank desktop 2.6 is making it better accessible for those with visual impairments and blind users. So, it's begun work. There's still some work to be done, but it's going in the right direction.

Yeah, I agree. Now, Popey, maybe, you know, let's look at – there was a really cool video of Mirror 8 and the new tasks which are coming out. A lot of changes are coming. Boring could be good, right? Well, you know, your perspective, your opening gambit with this was mints become boring and not really interested in that anymore. For me. For me. I'm sure it's valid for lots of people.

Right. But you said that was a good thing for Mint. You said that the fact that Linux Mint has got to that stage where it's now boring and it's putting out boring releases is a good thing for Linux Mint. Yet, the most recent Ubuntu release, you kind of panned because it was boring. Because you didn't do anything exciting. I actually would argue. Which do you want? No, I think maybe you're mischaracterizing.

I don't actually think long term this is a good thing for Mint. I think long term, this is a sign that Mint is tired. This is a sign that Mint isn't going to truly innovate much more. And that Mint is building out its base, its world, its island, its embassy. And I think that's going to make— When you say it isn't going to innovate anymore, what truly innovative things? They've added a backup tool. Yeah, I mean, I understand.

They've added a style. Yeah, okay, all right. I understand your inclination to downplay what they've done. But then I think if you— No, I'm not. I'm not downplaying what they've done. I'm just saying I can't reconcile the fact that you say boring is

bad for Mint. Well, come on. Now you're arguing two things. Which one do you want to argue here? Let's say I don't think boring is good for Mint. I think long-term, boring is bad for Mint. I think the more people in my audience that stop caring about Mint, the more people long-term that stop getting referred to Mint, the more momentum over

a long time that Mint loses and eventually Mint sort of goes into obscurity. I think the stability is good. A lot of people want something that isn't going to throw a new desktop at them, something that isn't going to move things around, and something that they know that they can upgrade. And they'll get the latest Fusion LibreOffice, the latest Kernel, the latest this and that, the latest Toolkits, the latest Mate or Cinnamon or whatever they choose. I think so. I think so. I think so. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and there are a lot of people who want that. Yeah, and those people buy Macs and Windows. But I think the important thing is to show the user how to use their computer, right? So they don't want

a desktop to always be changing. They want a desktop to kind of stay stagnant for a little while. What if a desktop changes every week or every month? That's going to kind of put a wrench in the user's interface. Come on now. Let's have a rational serious discussion about this and let's not

argue the outlier scenarios. Here's the reality. If you're a consumer who values stability and long-term support, you're going to buy Windows or macOS because that's what the reputation is. Come on, let's be honest. If you're a Linux user, then you know about things like RHEL, you know about things like Ubuntu LTS. You understand this game.

You're already in here. I think sometimes what we get caught up in is we pretend like we're marketing to some sort of pretend user who's never going to be a Linux user, at least not this generation around. And so what we do is we get caught up on designing these systems that are amazing for this person that doesn't actually exist. Because in reality, those people buy based on brand loyalty. That's what it comes down to. What brand do I trust? I trust Dell. I trust HP. I trust Apple. I trust Microsoft. I trust Best Buy. I don't trust Mint. I don't know what the hell that is. I don't know what a Mint box is. I don't trust that. I don't buy that. If I want stability, if I want something that's going to work for five years, I don't buy that. I buy a computer that

gets Windows 10, or I buy a Macintosh. And that's the reality. And we can all pretend like that's not the reality because it makes us feel better, but the truth of the matter is the market tells us that's the reality. So what we have to acknowledge is there is a certain demographic that uses the Linux desktop en masse. That's developers, that's enthusiasts,

that's technical people, that's advocates, that's us, that's this audience. And for those people, Mint is boring. And those are the people, like Noah, who buy laptops and SSDs to convert people because that's the reality of where we're at right now. Those people will be the people that recommend things like Ubuntu and Mint. And there's only so many people that are going to continue to recommend a distribution

that is basically tired and sleepy. I disagree. I think I would actually do this more just because they're stagnant, because I don't have to maintain that too much. I think people who get help from NOAA are using Ubuntu or are using Mint not because they trust the brand. They do it because they trust NOAA, and that's how it's been for a very long time. NOAA and AltaSpeed is a brand. I mean, rethink about the way you think about brands. NOAA is a

brand to his clients. His company is a brand, and they trust that brand. So NOAA can give them this thing called Ubuntu that they've never heard about because they trust brand NOAA. They're not trusting Ubuntu when he gives them an Ubuntu laptop. Just like they're not trusting Linux Mint. And if they didn't have NOAA, they would buy buy something that's a Mac or they would buy something that runs Windows.

Plain and simple. Well, okay. I agree with that completely. But this, I guess, puts the weight on our shoulders because we should technically – because Mint is not trying to push a brand and make Mint be the next big thing. They are just trying to make the best operating system that's the most user-friendly, right? Right.

Which means sometimes the releases will get boring because they need to focus on bug fixing rather than adding features, right? But this puts the weight on our shoulders to be the brand so people who I recommend Ubuntu or Mint to adding features, right? But this puts the weight on our shoulders to be the brand so people who I recommend Ubuntu or Mint to, they will trust me that this will

work. I think, and I want to make this clear, I think long term, it is not a sustainable course for a distribution, be it Ubuntu or Mint, to be boring. I think short term, it is extremely prudent to have a boring arm of your distribution and maybe to have the primary focus of your distribution to be known as stable and boring

because Linux itself is undergoing. We're about to talk about a rumor coming up that could fundamentally change the way video is routed under Linux, right? Linux itself is going under a lot of changes. SystemD, containers, ButterFS, and then on the Ubuntu side, the biggest desktop distribution out there, the conversion to Unity 8 and Mir, and all of this is the biggest amount of change we have ever witnessed at one time under the Linux desktop, and so

it makes a lot of sense for the market to respond by having these distributions that are sort of a safe refuge from all of that. But I think they will meet a time, there will come a time, when Unity 8 or Unity 9 is pretty effing solid, right? And containers are the way we're distributing software, and there's all these things that have caught up,

and snapshots are part of your kernel update because you're using ButterFS everywhere. There's all these developments that are going to crop up faster than we expect them to, and these distributions are going to look like 1990s technologies. And they're going to have to realize that they have stuck in an old way of doing things, and they're going to have to find a way to modernize. And the funny thing is, is the one that all of them are looking to is Ubuntu. And it's the one that outwardly, with its LTS releases and its very boring Unity releases for many releases now, is the one champion of boring releases okay.

And then they're the ones, they are going to be the very ones that do the switcheroo on us and be like, boom, everything new is great. Use the new stuff. New is good. Innovation is good. Everybody go this direction. And the entire focus is going to change on all of us. And distributions like Mint are going to be like, wait a minute, I thought old, stable,

and tired and true was good. And it's all going to change out from underneath them. And then when that happens, their stability and their boringness is going to become a detriment to them and no longer their primary market advantage. They have a temporary market advantage today, but they need to be looking forward to the future because it's all going to change, I believe, a year or two down the road. Except for men already established that they're going to be continuing with more LTS. They're not going to stick to 14.04.

They're going to go to 16.04 as well. So they're going to get the new technology. They're just doing it in a two-year cycle instead of a six-month cycle. I don't think that'll work long-term. I think it'll work now. You know what? I think we are running into this, the same issue that Node was in as Node.js for a while now,

is that when Node.js was new and they were just adding features constantly people were complaining oh we can't use this in production because with every other there are too many changes so they slowed down as the industry wanted and they slowed down the production that the adding features and focused on fixing bugs and it was kind of more sustainable for production. And then people started complaining, oh no, we want faster

development and more features, and they had a fork, and IOMJS was made. And that didn't work either, and now they merged together and we have Node and IOM merging to a single project right and like there is no perfect solution to this that would work for everyone it's about finding balance but this is not just about finding balance for

users or and but also about finding balance for developers. Because developers can put themselves in a situation where they keep adding features with every release, and now they have a backlog of 24 months of feature development and no bug fixes, right? So this means that once in a while, you will have to focus on fixing bugs and have a few boring releases. I actually, you know, the chaos of all of this is the best part, right?

To me, in a way, knowing that this is all going in a certain direction, but today, reveling in all of the different approaches and all of the different actually very valid ideas and reasonings is sort of awesome. I find it to be sort of like when you are in the thick of it, it is perhaps a bit maddening, but when you zoom out, it seems so obvious and almost intentional in the long run.

Rotten Corpse, I want to give you a chance to go at my Windows comparison here. Yeah, I was just going to say that the Windows and Mac thing about this where people buy because they're picking a brand, they probably don't really care. They're looking at money or they're looking

at their hatred of Windows. I don't know, man. I think the general user is afraid of technology. I don't know, man. I think the general user is afraid of technology, and I think brands help them make a decision in the lack of other information to proceed with. Sure, but with Windows, they don't really make that decision anyway.

Even now, they contact someone they know that knows computers because they don't know the difference between this Dell laptop or this Acer laptop or this other Acer laptop and so on. So my point is that the Linux thing, the reason why we're people not buying Linux is because either you have no option at all or you have a laptop that's ridiculously overpriced like the Librem, which is like $1,500 or something. No one is going to do that, but no one who's's in that field. But for now, as of like two months ago, there's now that Dell laptop that's $250. That's a perfectly reasonable price that anybody who doesn't really know anything about it could totally buy. Yeah, and I agree.

That's a good start. Go ahead, Zunzal. You want to come in also about the brands thing? Yeah, just to add on to what Robin said. Most people don't even know what Linux is. You want to come in also about the brands thing? Yeah, just to add on to what Robin quotes is, most people don't even know what Linux is. I mean, now that you're in the tech area, or you use it and you recommend it to your friends and family or whatever, but other people who don't live in this sphere that we live in,

a lot of people don't know what Linux is. For example, in my school, I mentioned Linux to people. They're like, what is that? Is that a terminal? Is that just a black window with words? If you want any... That's why it's called Chrome OS. That's why it's called Chromecast. Not Linuxcast. Not Linux

OS on the Chromebook. It's not called the Linuxbook. It's called the Chromebook. It's not called Linux mobile. It's called Android. Right. People just don't know It's called Android. Right. People just don't know what's going on. And I think if people were more aware or they wanted to be more aware, I think that would kind of help the issue. See, and this is where I don't think this is ever, ever, ever going to change.

And maybe it's because I've been doing the Linux Action Show for nine years and it's never changed in that nine years. Maybe it's because Linus Torvald said that Linux is successful when people don't know they're using Linux. And so it's even at the very top of Linux. And maybe it's because companies are motivated to brand things as their very own. Even when that company is a company like Canonical, they want to brand it as their own and not call it Linux. They want to call it Ubuntu, or they want to call it Android. This is the natural inclination of the commercial entities that are involved with Linux. So maybe it's one of those three reasons. I think the community and I think the public at large will never, ever, ever, ever, ever accept Linux as a brand as anything

but a technical thing. Because these three major interests, it is in their best interest to rebrand these things, to rebrand these technologies, to own these technologies, to make them look bigger and better. And to be honest, open source makes that possible. It's kind of the beautiful thing about it, is it is a general technology enabling platform that allows people to create products, services, and all kinds of other things around it. And so people like Google and people like all other companies like Samsung can take it and call it whatever they can call it, Tizen. They don't have to call it Linux.

But that means that the general public is never going to trust the name Linux. And so we cannot expect that things like Linux Mint are ever going to be applicable to an average user. That is a bullshit fantasy. That's why I call it Mint and not Linux Mint. Well, yeah. Well, let's pause this for a second. If you were to actually make money off of something called Linux, wouldn't you then have to apply for use of the trademark Linux name that Linux Foundation uses?

This makes it a lot more complicated because you can call it Linux whatever. If you are not making money off of it, I'm guessing it's fine. But Linux, as far as I know, is a trademark that Linux Foundation owns. Correct, correct, correct. And so it's in those companies' best interest not to use a trademark name. Exactly. Yeah. So it's never going to happen.

It's never going to be a generally public thing. But you know what? That's okay because Linux doesn't need that That gives other platforms like Ubuntu Like Android a chance to shine And then that gives us The knowledge of knowing Well Linux powers all these things

So become an expert in Linux And you understand all of these things I mean it's a good thing If we take ego out of it But see we have ego all wrapped up in this Because we want to convince other people to use the technology that we use. We want to advocate for it. So we want things like Linux Mint because that gives us the idea that we could advocate to average users they could use this.

And so we hold it up there as this iconic idea, the average person coming over, because in reality, it makes us feel better. But the truth is that's not how it's going to work. I just want to make that point. I don't even mention. That's why, that's my super, sorry, not to interrupt you, Rodden, but I just want to complete my thoughts so that it doesn't sound like I'm just rambling. That's why it's my super long answer to Popey, why I think it's not necessarily long-term a good idea for it to be boring.

Because I think if you're honest about who the market is here, it's people that listen to this show. Honestly. And what they're going to recommend. And they're going to recommend things that excite them. Things that to them seem like an idea that has momentum. Things to them that seem like have a future. Oh, definitely not.

Yes. Yes, absolutely. I'm not saying rolling, but things that feel like they're going to be around for a while. I've always recommended boring distros. That could be, why couldn't that be Ubuntu Mate? Why can't that be Ubuntu Mate? I don't want to explain to someone, once some icon moved to some other place in the menu and they can't find it anymore. With boring distros, you know, if some icon is in one place and if you want to go to settings, it will always be

in the same spot because that's what boring distros do. Don't listen. It's sometimes good. Don't misinterpret my words for advocating rolling release for everybody. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying there's distributions out there like today. There's distributions out there like Ubuntu 14.04 and Ubuntu Mate

and Mint. And they are serving a purpose today. Today. Today. And I'm not trying to discourage anybody from using them today. Here's the thing. This is not even about

rolling. I stopped recommending Ubuntu to people when Unity first came out just because things were moving around. And I know this is always an issue. It's not an issue for me because I always can do things through the terminal. I don't care where the icons are, right? But for a lot of users, some icon being moved somewhere else is a big deal because now they will spend five minutes looking for it.

Yeah. And it's frustrating. So I recommend distros that are, by many in this community, considered boring. Now, I want to give Daredevil the final thought because I'm happy to just put my thoughts in episode 99, and I will replay this clip in two, three years and see where things stand. But, Daredevil, you wanted to get a point in, so I'll let you have our closing thought. So apparently they are selling mint boxes and they have their user base. They are one of the few distributions that has a system to get feedback from the users

and do like that even the other users can see the feedback because just the software center alone that has the ratings and the comments, you can have a perception just by using the system of what is changing or where people want change. So from those things, I think Mint has enough data to make their own decisions. I think it's too much of us to say that it's boring or it's not going to be good just based on what we're seeing as not using the distro because apparently they have other things going on that we're seeing as not using the distro because apparently they have other things going on that we're just not aware of just yet i mean how much are they selling

off mint boxes which type of users are acquiring these mint boxes why are these companies deciding to partnership to make mint boxes in the first place so all of this information might actually be counterproductive to what our we are saying here, right now, just because we don't know how that's going on. I don't know. I think the evidence is in the fact that Canonical refocused on the desktop and refocused on mobile and gave up on the desktop, even though there's vendors out there shipping it. But you know what? I'll leave it at this. LinuxActionShow.reddit.com.

We'll have a feedback thread for 99. Let me know your thoughts. I think it's a great release. And I think the guys like Clem, I think he is one of the most respectable people in the open source community. And I think the Mint Project is one of the most respectable distributions. It's a classy distribution. I think what they're focusing on right now is exactly what the community needs right now. And I bet if anybody like Clem is clever enough, as the tide turns down the future,

like I think it will, Clem is clever enough to turn with it. I don't think the Mint project is any long-term risk. I just don't think it excites me right now. I don't find it particularly compelling. And I wouldn't be too surprised to find that to be the opinion of most of our audience. But maybe I'm wrong. I want to talk about our sponsor first, and then we'll get into the topic that I think is maybe the biggest deal of the week. It's not strictly even Linux-related. Yeah, no, well, no, it's not strictly Linux-related, but it probably impacts all of us. So I want to take a minute, though, and talk about Ting.

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OpenDNS has, it's special to me. Now, OpenDNS has – it's special to me. OpenDNS is a service that you can go to to help filter out porn, gambling sites, malware, all from afar. You just set your DNS up to the OpenDNS servers and you can create an account and you can set up a client if you have a dynamic IP address. And it automatically filters these things. And as a parent, this is such a great solution. I don't have to worry about putting parental controls on each individual computer. I set it at the router to use OpenDNS, and I filter it there. Or as a client contractor, I could go into my clients and be like, yeah, you want me to block malware and viruses?

I could do some global filtering. Let me set your upstream DNS to OpenDNS. It's such a cool service. your upstream DNS to OpenDNS. It's such a cool service. And in fact, not only do I have that connection to it, but in terms of traffic to the Jupyter Broadcasting website and the YouTube channel, on YouTube alone, our coverage, let me pull it up right now.

Let's see, it's in here somewhere. OpenDNS, 178,000 people watched my video on OpenDNS and way more downloaded on OpenDNS. I did a coverage of OpenDNS on December 19th, 2008. This is extremely embarrassing. I mean, this is extremely embarrassing, but I'm going to play it for you because I want you to know how near and dear OpenDNS is to my heart. But this is the most embarrassing thing I've ever played on this show. In this episode of an in-depth look, I'm going to go deep into OpenDNS and maybe why you should be using OpenDNS for your network. The alternate title for this episode was, hey, look at OpenDNS.

How awesome is this? How come I never knew about this? OpenDNS, in this episode of an in-depth look. I'm going to assume that most of you probably know what DNS is. If you don't, hit the pause button and then go Wikipedia DNS and then come back. Quick summary is it helps you resolve IP addresses to names. If you browse the web, you're using it. If you send emails, you're using it. So I've always just used the DNS provided to me by my ISP, who happens to be Comcast, which, you know, sure. I thought DNS was DNS, no big deal. Then lately there's been some talk about OpenDNS and how it was patched against a vulnerability that had come out that a lot of the main ISPs hadn't patched against yet.

Some poisoning issues where someone could type in a URL and a poisoned DNS server could give you a bad record and send you to a site that was either bogus or a phishing site or something like that. And that kind of piqued my interest, so I thought, well, I'll go check out this OpenDNS thing, see what this is about. So I jumped to OpenDNS.org, and the thing that immediately struck me right away is they put their DNS IP addresses right there at the bottom of the page. So there was no hoops to jump through, no account to sign up. If I wanted to start using OpenDNS, I could. And it was fairly evident to me pretty quickly that one of the advantages to doing that would be OpenDNS seems to have regional DNS servers, which for me, I'm in the Seattle area, and they have a data center here in Seattle. And they have a bunch of other ones around the United States, and they're adding them

around the world. And so it was fast. I wouldn't say I noticed a huge difference, but it did seem to me that my name resolution was snappier. So I stuck with that for a couple of weeks, thought, hey, this is neat. And it kind of struck me. I went back to OpenDNS's website, and I saw that there was an option to make an account. And I thought, okay, well, what does this account do? What's the benefit? And I had some assumptions that I didn't really quite understand. So I went and I created an account at OpenDNS and I learned quite a few things. Now, my day job is I'm an IT consultant. And one of the things I have a lot of issues with is phishing and viruses and malware

sites that my clients accidentally stumble upon. OpenDNS has the ability, once you create an account, you give it your IP address that your DNS queries will be coming from. So in my case, I configured my router, and I said, router, use these DNS servers instead of the Comcast DNS servers. And then I went to OpenDNS, and I said, okay, OpenDNS, here's my IP address. Now, like most of you on a DSL or cable modem or some sort of home broadband, your IP address is dynamic. It changes. Not an issue. OpenDNS makes

a client available for Windows, Mac, and Linux that you can load on your machine, and it basically goes back and reports to OpenDNS when you have a new IP address. So they automatically get the update, and they always know what network number you're coming from. Once they have your IP address, you can do things like enable filtering. Maybe you're a parent and you don't want your children going to sites that aren't appropriate for children. Or maybe, like me, you only have adults in the house. You don't care what they do, but you do want to protect against malware

and phishing sites. So I have mine currently. Oh, wow. I can only imagine a time when i only had adults in the house i'm going to stop right there because the chat room is dying but that gives you the basic summary of open dns if you want to watch the rest of the video uh go screw yourself i'm not going to tell you even how to find it if you don't know how to find that then you probably don't even need to bother uh it's horrible and uh that was embarrassing. But I really have a deep connection to OpenDNS. And so today, when I read the news that mother effing Cisco was buying OpenDNS, I had a little bit of a mental breakdown. I love OpenDNS. I have so many clients in the

past that are still using OpenDNS. Hold on. Don't give away the secret sauce. I have to wonder, is this the beginning of the end of OpenDNS, or am I overreacting? Can someone in the mumble room talk me down? What do you guys think? Is Cisco buying OpenDNS going to be awful? I can say I don't care. Oh, really? Tell me why.

OpenDNS was already awful. Baby. OpenDNS has ads everywhere. They overtake. If something fails, they give you this massive ad-infested garbage portal where there's other services like OpenNIC, which is much better. It doesn't do any of the stuff that OpenDNS does. So I don't care that they're buying something that is trash anyway. I love it. So anybody that thinks that I only have Yes Men working with me, reference that moment right there. Because I totally disagree. I think that OpenDNS put a really friendly face on something that was completely unapproachable to the masses.

And it was something that I could show the average user how to go manage. Yeah, it used to be good in 2008. It is not now. All right. Well, you're making me feel better at least if nothing else. I love it. I still think it's okay. All right, well, you're making me feel better, at least, if nothing else. I love it. I still think it's okay. All right, MountainDev, you want to also chime in on OpenNIC?

Go ahead, sir. MountainNIC? Oh, go ahead. I'm using OpenNIC, and it's working pretty well, but OpenDNS used to offer free dynamic DNS service, and they quit doing that a long time ago too. Jeez. Wow.

All right. Okay, Ham Radio. Layden, please jump in. All right, Chris. Well, I totally agree with you. I love OpenDNS. I've used OpenDNS for years. I have configured all of my clients' computers.

Whenever I work on a computer for a client, I always search them over to OpenDNS. There you go. There you go. Even if they don't use the filtering, I always search them over to OpenDNS. Why? I've been using OpenDNS for myself for years, my family for years. I've used the filtering. I think it's great, and I love them.

Can I ask you something? You say you give it to everybody. Have you tried anything else? Damn it. No. All right. So you make – actually, I'm super – you actually – I was seriously kind of going – I was getting on the bum train, and I was going to – I had an express pass to

Bumtown, and you were actually making me feel a lot better about this. So apparently there's other things to try out there. But Corky says, I love OpenDNS, Chris Laz, and so do hundreds of other CIS admins. Corky, how come the hell you're never in the mumble room? Damn it. Damn it, I could use your backup right now. But you know what?

I will give OpenNIC a shot. I'll switch it over here. Now, also, we have covered on the TechSnap program, if you have watched, there are times when using Google DNS and OpenDNS and OpenNIC aren't necessarily the best. Sometimes, now this is less and less and less and less of a problem, but sometimes CDNs have a hard time figuring out where you're coming from when you use these global DNS services. So anyways, I won't talk over my pay grade, but Alan goes into more details in TechSnap,

and you can do some searching around the web for that. Oh, okay, I've got to give Rikai a plug here. He says, because Rikaipedia has always got sound advice. He says, I gave up on OpenDNS when the redirect failed DNS resolutions to their custom search page. Yeah, the custom search stuff is total crap. When Rotten mentioned that, I kind of had to agree. Oh, but I'm a concierge that OpenDNIC doesn't have any kind of filtering. Is that true, Rotten?

It doesn't have any filtering by default, but you can do filtering. All right, so I can say block porn, block malware, block gambling. Not at that level. So it doesn't do what Open dns does at all then no people most people don't even use open dns for that they use it to get it off of their current isp or to not use google or stuff like that no no it is to provide network-wide prevention of porn and spam and malware i don't know i i haven't i haven't. I've never tried to filter my DNS, so I've not even tried to do

OpenNIC. It's because you never want to stop having porn displayed on your screen. That's why. I always found it very effective. Popey, can I ask you a personal question? Because you're closer than I am. I'm much further away from

this but have you considered parental filtering and if you have have you considered open dns so i actually use open dns my my router uh or my the the box that connects me to the internet actually has those uh the open dns as the default dns uh servers um so my kids around the house have ipads android tablets you know computers and they all default to whatever the router gives them which is open dns and is set to um you know block all the naughty stuff but i mean i'm not i'm not using that as a replacement for being a good parent you know um and also it doesn't work in some situations. Like, they can still read the comments on YouTube. They can still visit, like, pretty crappy videos on YouTube. Yeah, if there's crap on YouTube, it doesn't prevent that.

Right. It does not replace parenting. Where I notice it is if I want to go to one of those websites, I have to change the DNS settings on my own device in order to override my own control are you concerned at all about two things one are you concerned about cisco mucking this up that's the first one um no because i think open dns came along because there was a need for them to exist and if cisco screw it up someone else come along and replace it that's nice i like that okay here's what can i tell you what

actually freaks me out about this? And I'm wondering if this scares you too. I don't like any other solution for Linux. And I want my kids to use Linux. But I don't want them – I mean I need to have some – I just want to protect them like from really nasty stuff. And I felt like OpenDNS struck that balance of me having some filtering but allowing not having to worry about installing nanny software on linux and which is gonna suck so are you worried about that at all let's be realistic like what you know what are you trying to hide them from rotten.com or youporn.com you

know what what exactly you're trying to protect them from because the fact is that most people are either most children are more vulnerable to to things like members of their own family. I'm not accusing you, Chris, but they're more likely to be attacked by a member of their own family or it would be in a chat situation. So something like someone connecting to them on Instagram or WhatsApp or something, which won't be blocked by any of these tools. So they are almost 100% ineffectual. They make you feel better, but they actually don't do that much good at all. Wise. Very wise. Inagogo, you wanted to make a mention about a proxy server here.

Well, the proxy server seems to be the best between both worlds because it blocks subdirectories of certain websites, and it blocks domains, and it caches stuff depending on how you got it set up so you can bring down your users and filter bad sites. Yeah, I like that. You're right. That just takes more work and it makes me want to

use PFSense, which isn't Linux-based. But you're right. That would be a great solution. Reekice is open. Nick has DNS blacklisting. There's also Norton ConnectSafe DNS servers that have filtering against porn. You know what? There's going to be a lot of porn filtering stuff out therelisting there's also norton connect safe dns servers that have filtering against porn you know what there's gonna be a lot of porn filtering stuff out there so there's a lot of solutions i'm sure but that's that's less of my worry like my daughter recently i mean she's got an iphone and recently she signed up for uh instagram and i didn't know this at the

time and we thought we'd educated her in the school to do a good internet safety thing. But, you know, she took her phone to a theater where she was performing. And backstage with all the other kids, they were all talking about their Instagram accounts. So she set up an Instagram account. Now, she's in a completely different network as a guest on their Wi-Fi where they don't use open DNS. So any controls that I implement in the home are completely useless because she's sat on someone else's network. And that's going to be more and more the case, isn't it? Right.

Yeah. Good point. Yeah, that's the reality, especially for kids, is it's going to be on these mobile devices. And, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right.

You guys have made me feel a lot better about that. Thanks, guys. That was nice. That was like, I feel like that was a good session for Chris. That was really good. Why don't we let's break it up. Let's change gears. Let's talk about gaming really quick. I can't believe it. Valve says that the preorders for the Steam machines and the controller have sold out. Valve is sold out of the controllers as of today and the Steam Machines, which are supposed to launch on November 10th, which could be a really good sign for gamers and Linux because there's

a lot of things that are moving in this area right now. A lot of interesting developments around Vulkan, around Metal, around DirectX 11, around Crossover bringing DirectX 11 and DirectX 12. I mean, so much is happening right now in the gaming space. So it is critical that the Steam Machines start to make some movement here. And the fact that they're sold out, I think, is a good sign. But Rod and Corpse, you're disappointed by it. Tell me why.

I'm disappointed by the news because I neglected to get a controller before this one. Yeah, same here. Oh, okay. I ordered the controller and the link. You know, this is what Chris does. And you guys all think, by the way, all of you jerks out there that think I just buy stuff because of their toys, screw you. I hate you.

I bought this so that way I could talk about it. I want to try to talk about it as soon as possible on the Linux Action Show and Linux Unplugged. So I preordered the controller and the link. I'm not a big gamer, but I want to have an opinion on them, so hopefully those will arrive. We will see. And I'll have it a review soon. I don't know if Valve can make the ultimate controller, but we'll

see. MountainDev, you say it's disappointing, perhaps? Why do you think so? Well, it might be because they underestimated the amount of people that would buy the controller. Ah. Ah. Perhaps. perhaps perhaps i think it builds a bit of a buzz exactly that it gives it press by saying hey we sold out so even more people are talking about it so even more people are wanting it so then when they get the nut and there's not the only shipment they're ever going to do so it's just going to

give more pressure for the next time that they do it. Exactly. Exactly. And here's, now if you want to, who wants to take bets? Let's get a poll going. Chat room, do this. Will this thing, will it ship? The Smack Zero, will it ship? Yes or no? Somebody saw the straw poll right now. Smack Zero, will it ship?

Yes or no? Also known, it was previously known as the Steam Boy. It is a handheld steam machine. Are you seeing this thing? If you're watching the video Boy, it is a handheld Steam machine. Are you seeing this thing? If you're watching the video version, it's precious. It's got an AMD-embedded G-Series system-on-a-chip graphics. It's got the egg-water-based CPU. And, of course, it's got some built-in Radeon graphics with 4 gigabytes of RAM,

32 gigabytes of memory, and an SD card slot. Yeah, it's got a 5-inch touchscreen with a 720p bad boy resolution and also configurable tactile gamepad, HDMI output, Wi-Fi connectivity, and 4G mobile connectivity in the Pro model. It is a handheld Steam machine. And I would cast my vote as never ship. Stropple, somebody in the chat room, go make it. Will the Smack Zero ship, yes or no?

Rikai says yes what'll happen is uh ben heck will just put a pc in a in a tiny box and there you go it's done all you gotta do is watch ben heck's youtube channel and he puts everything in tiny boxes job done yeah that is the whole try and battery power the steam link with some form of display. What we need to do... Go ahead. Obviously, I think the best solution is just to make the Nvidia Shield work with the Steam stuff.

Yeah, that would be nice. And you've got pretty much the exact same thing, but also a full controller and not that weird game gear looking thing. So, Micr89 has his ear to the news here. He says pricing comes out in August with possible launch mid-2016. I want one of those.

I would too, actually. I would kind of want it. I feel like if this doesn't ship, we should do a segment on how to build one somehow. There's got to be a way. This has got to be doable now. I think it's called... It's called on the Pi to basically do Nvidia streaming

exactly or actually you could do Steam streaming you could just like there was some way to get the Pi to do Steam link or something like that you'd basically have all that you need to have to get this thing to work alright so I teased it earlier just before we get out of the gaming all together I know you guys a lot of you out there don't care

about gaming that much if you would just like a nice casual fun game that's a little exhilarating, kind of gets the adrenaline going, doesn't have a lot of setup, doesn't have a lot of story, it's a racing game. It's called Distance. It's the game you never knew you wanted on Linux, but it's here now. I've been playing it for a couple of weeks. It's, I think, still kind of in the early stages. Distance is a survival racing game that combines intense action of arcade racing with the exploration of atmospheric world. Now, I'll show you what that means here in a second. What I actually do is I crank up... This is kind of embarrassing. I crank up Deadmau5 in the background and I play this game. But here, I'll play a little bit on the video version for you

to see. It's a really intense racing game in the future, and it's a lot of fun. And it does have a great built-in soundtrack as well. As you can see here, you're driving around, you get boosters, you get thrusters, you gotta make jumps. The tracks are very futuristic and crazy, and you get points for making additional moves. And it's multiplayer, which is a lot of fun, and right now it's available on Steam. It's called Distance. And it is playable. Here's the other thing I like a lot about it.

It's playable on my XPS 13 in 4K resolution on the Iris 5500, and it scales up very nicely up to my dedicated desktop with an NVIDIA 770 or 780-something graphic series. So it plays very nicely on a wide range of Linux desktops. You may even be able to play this one with the open-source graphics. I've experimented a little bit with the open-source graphics at a 1080p resolution and was still able to play this game.

So this is one of these games that is nice to kind of actually still get a little enjoyment out of your video card without having to load the proprietary driver. But if you do load the proprietary driver, then you get things like 4K resolution or you get things like on the NVIDIA machine, like you get the music pumping, you get the high resolution stuff going.

It scales up pretty well. And it's a nice intense game. It's called Distance, and it's available on the Steam Store right now. And it's my current favorite. Along with this and Race the Sun, they both have a similar feel to it. And Gaming on Linux just did a

write-up, and they said, and I agree, they said it's one of the best Linux games you don't know about that you need right now. Distance, and I have no idea how much it costs. Doesn't matter. It's worth it. Go check it out. It's on Steam. It's not open source. It's not free. It's just

to give yourself a good time for a few minutes, and you don't have to even have crazy-ass graphics. You can get by on the Intel graphics, which... 20 bucks. 20 bucks. Thank you. Wow. Were you looking it up while I was talking about it? Yes. Dude, nice producer-ing. Very well

done, sir. Very well done. Oh, Rikai suggests we should do a faux show versus distance. I agree. That should be the next foeshow for sure. Or maybe not the next, but the next versus is distance. It's a good game. Linux, it's funny. We've got first-person shooters.

We've got tons of tactical games. We've got lots of pixel games, pixel art games, but we don't have a lot of racing games. And so this is actually a pretty decent one. $22 if you're Canadian, says Sean PC. Nice backup producer. Sean, thank you from the Canadian perspective. I know that seems like a lot, but you're also, says Sean PC. Nice backup producer, Sean. Thank you from the Canadian perspective. I know that seems like a lot, but you're also contributing to the development,

and it is truly a fun game. And the fact that they're developing it with Linux support and parity, I think is worth supporting, at least me. And for me, that's worth backing. But it's up to you. Check it out. We'll have a link in the show notes.

For completeness, it's $14.99 in proper British money. Oh, that is quite proper, actually. Thank you, sir. Wow, look at that good tertiary producing, Mr. Popey. Tertiary producing. Alright, I got one last topic. It's only a rumor. We don't do rumors

a lot. Like, the Mac guys, those SOBs, they get, like, that's their bread and butter. In fact, they don't even have facts. They have rumors and intentions and mysticism. And in Linux, we have, like, mailing lists and code and discussions out in the open. It's all very, very real. It's all very concrete. Very rarely are there rumors about a feature coming to the Linux desktop that literally could change everything.

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awesome and keep up the great work. Now, the grousing about Paul's audio hasn't even died down yet, but it looks like the beans may have been spilled on Pulse Video. Now, Pharonix is reporting that there may be an announcement imminent concerning some of the Pulse Video project details. Now, an open source contributor at Red Hat, Christian Schaller,

has worked on GStreamer in the past. He's also worked on GNOME and transcoding apps, other multimedia projects. He seems ready to announce Pulse Video. Now, the reason why this came out is on the GNOME Planet feed, seemingly by mistake, a link to a blog post with a password protecting it named Introducing Pulse Video hit the RSS feed. Texting it, named Introducing Pulse Video, hit the RSS feed. When you refresh, it also says Fedora Workstation Next Steps Introducing Pinos. Now, when you look around, there's no other references to Pinos when searching the GitHub or the old Git repository,

but there is some references to Pulse Video. Oh, actually, it looks like there's an announcement right now. As we read this right now, Pinos has been announced for, wow, this is, wow, breaking right now. Hold on. Let's break it out, you guys. This is incredible. Happening right now on the show. Holy smokes.

Oh, my gosh. Show me the money! No, that's not it at all. Get out of here. It's this one. Oh, my goodness. Fox News alert. Pinos is Linux video. What Pulse Audio is for audio.

Just a few hours after this story has been announced, Pulse Video is ready to go for Fedora Workstation to improve Linux video support. In a new blog post, it explained one of the original goals of Pinos was to provide the same level of advanced hardware handling for video that Pulse Audio provides for audio. For those of you who have been around for a while, you might remember how you once upon a time could only have one application using a sound card at a time. Pulse Audio properly for audio. For those of you who have been around for a while, you might remember how you once upon a time could only have one application using a sound card at a time.

Pulse Audio properly fixed that. Well, Pinnos will allow you to share your video camera between multiple applications and also provide an easy API to do so. Holy shit. Holy shit. This could be huge for Jupyter Broadcasting. This, oh my god, this could enable an entire generation of applications that are competitive with Wirecast.

If this is done right. Wow. This is a huge deal and this is happening right now. I mean, so this is interesting because one of the things that Jupupiter broadcasting mostly me is trying to figure out is if we continue to raise funds at patreon.com slash today i kind of want to do what poppy is doing or i'm not sorry poppy you guys all look the same well i kind of want to do what wimpy is doing and and i want to contribute some of the extra funds are not really extra but i want to contribute some of the funds to open source projects that we are migrating to.

So almost on a monthly basis, we replace some sort of proprietary component in our chain with an open source component. And as we do that, I feel like I should contribute to them and I should help enable their development. This is exactly what we need. This is huge for us. This is exactly what we need. This is huge for us. So most of you out there think of QuickTime as this POS desktop application that is just atrocious. And then don't even get me started on the browser plug-in on Windows.

Just awful. In reality, the QuickTime API and the subsystem on OS X is amazing. It's what enables Final Cut and Wirecast and Motion and iMovie and Pixelmator and all of these and Core Graphics and Core Audio. All of these things that are available on OS X that are actually really good, that by passing have this horrible reputation. Oh, quick time. Such a piece of shit. But actually, they're incredible on the OS X platform. And this is exactly what OS X has available.

This is exactly what has kept some of our video production, i.e. Wirecast, on OS X. It is one subsystem that could bring in all of the inputs and then make it available to the applications. And OBS has just started to make this available by using the hell out of FFmpeg. And if we could have something like Pulse Audio that's for video, this could bring Linux ahead by five years in media production, if they can actually pull it off. I'm really excited about this. Inigo, what do you think? I think in some cases it could go really badly. Like, just now I was using Pulse Audio, and my were going through my my output was going through my

input going back into my microphone input. So if this is made by the same people who made Pulse Audio, I think that's going to happen but with video instead. It's not made by the same people who made Pulse Audio. Yeah, and that's why they didn't call it Pulse Video, right?

Right, and Christian Schaller has worked on GStreamer for a long time, and he's worked in media production on Linux for a long time, so I trust that guy to do the right thing. Go ahead. They only said Pulse. No, they said

Pulse Audio Style, as in just the same goals of what they were doing. Yeah. The comparisons are from a developer standpoint, use of the API, not from an end-user standpoint. Right. They say video frame passing will be done via file descriptors and separate apps and processes will be communicated via Dbus.

Pinos will make it easier to switch cameras and applications and for the same camera source to be used by multiple apps simultaneously. There will be support for multiple types of video inputs, GStream integration, and some audio support. So it's really nothing like Pulse Audio. Yeah, and if it's an extension, I've used the screen recording features of the GNOME 3, and they're excellent. So if that was extended to have more inputs and outputs and a better interface, I think

that's great. Oh my god i mean i i feel like this if it's done right because here's pulse audio is getting pretty good it's i can't stand here and tell you that it's it's better than what's on windows or os 10 maybe but i i definitely have had a lot of problems with it. For the last month, it's been pretty good for me. So I can't get crazy here. But a lot of times people have asked me, what would it take to move some of your editing and some of your final production steps over to Linux?

And I've always said, it doesn't matter if we get Lightworks. It doesn't matter if we have FFmpeg because we don't have this fundamental piping system, this fundamental piping of the camera inputs, the normalization of the camera subsystem that, you know, right now on Linux, if you want to switch between cameras, video for Linux is your best friend, but you still have to write so many esoteric different kind of accommodations for different cameras. And it's just, you think Android fragmentation is bad. You have never witnessed anything like video management under Linux.

And if there could be a subsystem that comes along, like QuickTime does and Core Video does under OS X, and normalizes all of this, and enables a new generation of applications where developers can focus on managing the input from this Pulse video system, if they can work focus on that and not focus on writing all input from this Pino system, if they can work focus on that and not focus on writing all this esoteric side code, it could really help Linux catch up super fast.

I have felt that without this system, Linux has a 5-10 year gap to be truly competitive. If this over the next couple of years can actually become something usable, it could dramatically close that gap because this is the underlying pinning system that really makes media production possible on OS X. And you don't really understand how that is, how critical it is until you actually do video media production. And then you realize why people choose Macs over Windows and Linux. And Windows doesn't have something like this.

It has something kind of similar And Windows doesn't have something like this. It has something kind of similar. It doesn't have this. And this is a big deal. I'm very excited. So I'm going to follow this. I would love, Rotten, if you wouldn't mind noting down, maybe we can get some interviews with these people and follow it because this could be a huge deal. Really excited.

Kind of neat that the story broke while we were recording the show, too. Because it could be long-term. Here we are in episode too, because it could be long-term. Here we are in Episode 99, and it could be long-term, the big technology shift that helps us move everything over to Linux. Maybe. Or maybe I'm just getting too excited, but it could be. It also says here that it should enable better screencasting support within GNOME 3, video support for desktop sandboxes,es hello wayland and many other potential use cases so those of us who have wondered how the hell we can do screencasting and screenshots under wayland because of all the sandboxing this could also provide the solutions for that

which is great for those of us who want to make how to's and document things like that so i'm pretty excited uh mumble room last chance any final thoughts on this before we wrap up for the day? I think Pulse.io gets a bad rap a lot more than it deserves. And it does a lot of cool things that if we didn't have Pulse, I would be incredibly disappointed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, like, to be honest, we had individual application volume control support well before Microsoft ever shipped that. Yeah, Chris, I think your comparison to the Mac and to I already forgot the name of it, having a brain fart.

Pinos or whatever, Pinos. P-I-N-O-S. So I think that comparison I think is very apt. We have not only FFmpeg, we have GStreamer as well, and those tools are getting really good. So being able to plug in and out of those is going to be very critical. Yes.

This is coming along when FFmpeg is getting really well and Pulse Audio is stabilizing. Exactly. So just to make a point, earlier you made a point about how Linux is forever changing. This is a good example of that change. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Going back to our Mint discussion, you mean? Good point, SunSoul.

Good point. Well put. Way to bring it all back together. This is a good reason to hang out on Mint or Matei for a little while because this stuff does just keep on changing. All right. Well, maybe we'll leave it right there. Hold on.

Hold on. We'll leave it right there. So if you would like to join us live and make an excellent closing point like SunSoul just did, join us over at jblive.tv. We do this show live at 2 p.m. Pacific over at jblive.tv. Go to jupiterbroadcasting.com slash calendar to get that converted to your local time zone. Maybe next week I'll have a quieter air conditioner so there won't be that background starship hum. Just picture me on the bridge of the USS Enterprise, won't you't be that background starship hum just picture me on

the bridge of the uss enterprise won't you and that'll explain the hum linux action show.reddit.com contribute to this show give us links also there'll be a feedback thread for episode 99 and don't forget email me if you want to hang out for episode 100 in studio and meetup.com slash jupiter broadcasting for our oscon meetup and remember promo code lin Linux if you're going to buy a ticket for OSCON. All right, everybody. Thanks so much for tuning in to this week's episode of Linux Unplugged. See you right back here next week. So so Yeah, you know what I wonder what will haunt that Pinnos project is,

internally, they probably did consider it to be Pulse Video. Because internally, they recognize that Pulse Audio was the example of an open source project, has huge ambitions, and over time gets refined and works out the bugs and ends up being maybe better than what the commercial offerings have. And so if you have that rationale, it makes a lot of sense to call the next iteration for video Pulse Video. But then internally, so you could see how they would stage things like that, because we have prototype names for shows that we're developing in-house that we don't launch with those names, but that's what we refer to it as, and that's how we all

think about it, but we wouldn't publicly call it that, just like they wouldn't publicly call it Pulse Video. They want to call it Pinnos, but their draft blog post called it Pulse Video. The draft URL called it Pulse Video, and that's what Pharonix picked up on, and now that's what we're calling it. And you've got to wonder if a little bit,

if they could rewind the clock, if they would just opt to never have the meme Pulse video out in the public at all. Uh-oh, our JB title site is down? Oh, no. Oh, no. How are we going to pick a title if our title site is down? Are we capable of coming up with a title on our own? Yeah, someone suggested Parents Action Show, which made me chuckle.

That was pretty good, but would you watch that? Anyway, it's loading for me. Mumble unplugged. We can make a title. Breaking Linux news. Check out these nuggets. Thanks, Rock. It's a good one. Compulsive video.

Yeah, there you go. Repulsive video. Should we do something around the Pulse video, Pino, stuff, since that's breaking news? Or should we do something around OpenDNS? Or should we do something around boring distributions? We had some good discussions in this episode. We could do something about e-bopping.

What? Boring distros go the distance. I like that. JBTows.com. Oh, is the voting not working? Maybe that just means we're having more traffic than normal. I hope that's what that means. Oh, yeah. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Oh, man. That's no good. So, how awful was that video I played of my in-depth look?

Do I seem really, do I present a lot differently? Is it a huge difference? Oh, that's a big difference. Big difference? You've got more confidence. Oh, yeah, yeah. Huh. It sounds like I would have said the same things.

I feel like I would have said the same things. You would have, but you sounded like a lot less confident. Yeah, it was like every other youtube video of someone just blurting stuff out unprepared in front of a camera yeah you did actually you could you sounded different dude just like the not just what you said and how you're approached but like i don't know for some reason you sound like your voice is deeper now or something well you know puberty and all oh there you go change of the years yeah yeah you know what's super embarrassing is uh like people who get into radio they would they would do these kind they would do this kind of learning on like some obscure small little radio station in some small town nobody'd ever hear about it and then

by the time they make it to national, they're good. But when you do it on the internet, I mean, my entire – you can watch my entire learning arc just by watching our old shows. It's embarrassing. It's all out there. Oh, thank you, Rika. All right, so voting is now fixed, jbtitles.com. And, like, what do you do, right? Because you can't really pull it down because that's the back catalog,

which gets quite a bit of play but like there are people out there that are meeting chris for the first time and they're meeting that version of chris that's not the version i want them to meet first of all he weighs like 45 pounds more than i do and second of all he apparently says um a lot he's he hasn't gotten into the flow of the rant yet. But the first version of Chris that I met was unboxing a digital photo frame. Nice. I remember that, Chris. Wireless access point. Yes.

It's similar to Paul's video, which got out on the internet, and no one can take it back. Right. It's the same as open source, isn't it? You're right about that. That doesn't make me feel any better, though at all yeah i remember that kodak picture frame that was horrible was it terrible when you actually set it up no it was okay it was okay and now you had to um use a vista vm oh good old vista

i do remember some of that yeah yeah. Alright, so how are the titles shaking out now that we've got the boats? Let's see. Let's see. Finger on the pulse of video. That's not bad. That's not bad. Opening DNS from the past is boring better. Not so minty fresh. Turn and... I kind of like

finger on the pulse of video, but it's a little obscure. Don't you think? Yeah, but it's also not obscure. Don't you think? Yeah, but it's also not what it's called either, so. Well, there's that. Alright, chat room. Come on. We gotta get together. Everybody go there and concentrate

your votes. We gotta go. In the meantime, I want you to think about one thing and one thing only. That is mustaches. What's driving me crazy is that photo right there. Zoom in on that. It's one of those I want you to think about one thing and one thing only. That is mustache. What's driving me crazy is that photo right there. Zoom in on that. It's one of those cops in a black uniform with a mustache. And you just look like an absolute clown freak

that works for murdering terrorists that jack our food and water. I think you're a big joke. Oh, you got a mustache. I'll just worship you. As long as you got a mustache, it's okay. Nothing against mustaches. That always makes me feel better. Ham, did you want to ask me now, or did you want to ask off the air?

Off the air is fine. Okay, all right. So, jbtitles.com, jbtitles.com, jibby, jibby, jibby, jibby, jibby, jibby. Finger on the pulse of video is boring better. I don't think I want to do is boring better rotten. It's a good one, but I feel like it's territory the Unplugged show has kind of analyzed before maybe with a new angle today, but if you're looking at it

without knowing the context of the discussion, you might be judgy. I feel like. That's why I also just suggested Pinot Noir. Pinot Noir. I like that. Alright, okay. Is finger on the pulse of video? I kind of like finger on the pulse of video.

I think we're going to go with finger on the pulse of video. How do we beat that? How do you beat that, right? Not so much. Wine. With wine. I like it. Yeah, I do like that, too.

All right. Will somebody go out there and try the new Linux Mint 17.2 and then give us a review next week? Does anybody in the mobile room mind doing that? Anybody want to take that? Nobody? Going once? Going twice? I'll do it. Thank you, sir.

Who said that? Who we got? That's Romeo. Romeo. Thank you, Romeo. Anybody else? Anybody else? I'll give it a go.

Ubi, you give it a go? I'll give it a go. What's the worst that can happen? You get sucked in by the boringness. Obi? I grabbed the torrents earlier on today and I was sharing

seeding like a good man. Yeah, so I've got them locally. I might as well give it a go. I just started using it. SunSoul. Okay. All right. So would you guys, how about next Tuesday since, you know, I mean, I talked my mouth off about it.

I'll be at the barbecue, so I can do it there. What? I'm going to the barbecue if that's next Tuesday. You're going to be here? You're going to show up? I mean, I'm in Portland, and there's a bus that goes straight up to Seattle. Good man. That would be amazing. All right. So email me so I know, though, because if I get, like, two Portland, and there's a bus that goes straight up to Seattle. Good man. That would be amazing.

All right. So email me so I know, though, because if I get, like, two or three people to email me, I'll get some food. Otherwise, I'm not going to buy food. I've already emailed you about it. Awesome. So great. Yeah. So we'll talk about Mint, because I feel like we probably deserve to give it, you know, a fair shake.

Because, you know, they've done some good work there, and I just kind of S'd all over it. And we'll have some barbecue. That'll be fun. 100 is going to be awesome. I like it. All right. Thanks, Mumbaroom. Thanks for being here.

I appreciate it. I can't wait to watch all the food. Welcome to Linux Unplugged, Episode 99, where today we're going to be talking about text editors. Freestyle, what do you think? Guess what I've tried yesterday. What'd you try yesterday i have tried emacs among other things uh because i've also tried atom the text editor from uh the guys over at github um i tried sublime 3, which is currently in alpha. I've tried Sublime Text 2, which everybody seems to love. And I'm an avid Vim user. So I have a lot to say about text editing right now. So what is your favorite choice now?

See, this is a really tough question to answer because I am not a fan of Vim-style editing, or VI-style editing if that's what you want to call it. What I do like is my specific VIM setup. So I wouldn't mind moving to a different text editor if it could provide me with what I already have and what I already like about my VIM setup. That being said, transitioning to anything else is always kind of weird. So I've been every few months jumping around to different text editors and trying stuff out just to see what all the fuzz is about. Have you tried Lighttable?

Because it seems to be that Lighttable, you can really have your own configuration like you have in Veeam. So once you have your Lighttable configuration you will never change it I guess. Is Lighttable the one that Brackets is using? No, this was an independent crowdfunded project that is open source I think. Well it is open source, I think. Well, it is open source, that I know. I'm looking at the website of Table right now, and here's the issue

that I see already. It's that it doesn't stand out in any way. Well, it stands out because it comes with very basic settings and you have to push your settings afterward and create your own workflow, I guess. Oh, that's true

about every text editor ever made. Yeah, not with G-Edit, for example. What about Nano? Because, I mean, everybody talks about Vim and Emacs and Sublime Text, but I hardly ever hear about Nano. So is

Nano the newbie text editor, or what do you ever hear about Nano. So is like Nano the newbie text editor or what do you guys think about Nano? Because I use Nano quite often. Okay, so here's the thing. Nano is awesome if you just need to edit a content. If you have your thousand lines of code file that you've been working on for a few months and you have to navigate around it

just to find the function that you want to work on today, Nano is not as good because while basic features are there, it's not as powerful and not as extendable as anything else that you could be using. I would agree with you. Nano is great, though. If you're going to have one text editor on your system, you don't actually write a lot of stuff. You just edit configs.

Nano, perfect fun. So the best command line editor, what would you say? Vim. Vim, okay. Or Emacs. Or Emacs, okay. How about GUI?

A G-Edit, Sublime Text, or I forget what the name of the KDE one is, but what do you think about GUI? GVim. So the text editor from KDE, huh? No. GVM is the GUI version of FIT. I do like K. I do really like K. I wish there was a bigger community around it that creates plugins for it.

Because K is awesome. And I'm already a KDE user. bigger community around it that creates plugins for it because Kate is awesome and I'm already a Katie user. I would love to spend time More time in Kate that being said Are we being stopped now or what's going on? To know he agrees with you. Yeah Okay, let me have a sip of coffee what's going on. No, he agrees with you. Ah, okay. Let me have a sip of coffee.

While he's drinking his coffee, I would like to also point out that Kate is awesome, except for the fact that it has missing features, and the only way to do them is to the plug-in system for Kate is not that good, and it's not very extensible.

Now, G-Edit has plugins. G-Edit's got plugins and G-Edit also has developer plugin packages and extra plugin packages that are easy to get from the Ubuntu Software Center or from the Arch User Repository.

Right, but by default, G-Edit requires you to add everything. That is true. Just like Emacs and just like Vim. You have to specify exactly what features you want and things like that, where Kate has a lot of cool things built in by default, such as Emmet, block editing, which is cool. But then there's other things. I used to use Sublime Text because, well,

there's nothing else that is remotely as useful to me without having stupid bloat like Atom. Wait, wait, wait. What's a stupid bloat in Atom? Because as far as I can tell, Atom, isn't it not Chromium? It's something else. It's based on Chromium. Isn't it Node WebKit or something like that? No, it's Chromium. It's literally Chromium. It even says on their website that it's based on Chromium. Isn't it Node WebKit or something like that? No, it's Chromium.

It's literally Chromium. It even says it on their website that it is based on Chromium. Atom is based on Chromium embedded framework. I actually have research into these when brackets came about. And pretty much it is a special build of Chromium which strips out a couple features and makes a basic shell out of Chromium so that you can start writing kind of the shell component and the browser component. So it's pretty much just the HTML, JavaScript, whatever.

But it's Chromium that's overall. Yeah, there's that. So what about Genie? Just throw another GTK editor in the round. It's cool, but it's very lacking in features. Yeah, and it's still GTK2, I think, huh? Yes, I don't care. I don't care

what toolkit it is, as long as it works. Yeah, that's an argument. I think no one has ever gotten excited over Genie. I've talked to people who use it because it's good, but it's not like

anybody has ever had this devout love for Genie like people have for VMAX or Sublime. Wasn't Wimpy talking last week about Genie? Yes, he uses Genie,

but he also uses more than just Genie. Yeah, so most of us probably use more. I mean, Genie is cool, but it's... Genie is like gedit by default with cool extra features, but still very limited. Okay, Genie, in my perspective, is a very simple IDE. It's perfect in Python because it does symbol searching, it integrates that, and gives you auto-completion of symbols already seen. But other than that, it's not that appealing to change it. You probably want to use Gini when you don't want to make much changes and you want something simple.

But other than that, honestly, talking about editors, when in the discussion there's things like Sublime, EVM, or IMAX, Genie simply does not hold water. So with text editors, is there one text editor that is the best? You should always use it virtually no matter what you're doing? Or is it similar to like paint programs where you have GIMP, which is super powerful, or then you have Pinta, which you might want to just use

if you have like a simple, you know, want to resize image. That's not a good comparison. The editor conversation is more like the distro conversation. Most of them are all great for different preferences of people.

No, Emacs and Vim both have great features, and yes, you're an Emacs guy, so you're going to disagree with me. Not because I'm an Emacs guy, but it's more like when looking at infrastructure alone, what actually one is capable of versus the other. Yes, people have managed to make Vim to work with things that, you know, and it's kind of amazing that it actually works. And it's kind of amazing that it actually works. But looking alone at the infrastructure that allows to plug in things, to change things by a plug-in interface, Emacs is more powerful. Wanting or not, being you a Vim user that prefers Vim style and Vim works better for you or not, architecturally, Emacs is a superior editor.

Period. There's no argument on this. Spline also is modified in every way by plug-ins. Not as much. I can guarantee you that does. There's no argument on this. Sublime also is modified in every way by plugins. Not as much. I can guarantee you that not as much. Every aspect of Sublime can be modified with a plugin. Here's my issue with Sublime and Atom is that I don't really see a difference on the text level editor yet. Whatever Atom is using for Chrome, so it might be.

Adam is actually. Answer the phone. Yeah, I agree. Answer the phone. Ham, answer the phone. Hello, call me. Oh, hi, guys. Thanks for, oh, hi. Can I come back?

Because we need to start the show now. You guys did good, though. That was solid. That was awesome. But it is now time to start the show. You should do that. Let's do that every pre-show. We'll call the...

Oh, my God. What if we put a podcast within a podcast, like the Mumble Action Show, and you guys just show up in the pre-show, and you have a show, and we'll just put that in there? We should do that. You show up next week and do it again. We'll do it every time until you stop showing up. Okay. Well, if the Mumble community is going to do a

show, you have to accept the fact that once in a while there's going to be a special episode exclusively about feces. I hope so.

I hope so. Oh, yeah, we should call it Mumble Unplugged, right? It should be Mumble Unplugged, and it'll be during

the pre-show. It'll be like our warm-up show. It's like, you know, before a band comes out, you know, you have a pre-show it'll be like our warm-up show it's like you know how like when before a band comes out you know you have a pre-show they're like you guys could be like it could be the mumble action show or the mumble it should be mumble unplugged or maybe chris unplugged because my mic's off and you guys get to have the show i don't get to say anything apparently according to zfs for the win i can't use the soundboard either because apparently

the soundboard equals commentary um i didn't know, but I think I agree. The more you know, the more you know. I guess it does add a little context to the show. And so out of that. That's how we roll. I'll respect that. I won't use the soundboard. I'll mute my mic, and you guys can have mumble unplugged.

I think we should probably call it mumble unplugged. It's the unplugged mumble show in the unplugged show. It's meta. It's like GNU. It's like GNU and wine. It's perfect. It's perfectged. And it's the Unplugged Mumble Show in the Unplugged Show. It's meta. It's like GNU. Sounds good, but you can hear it. It's like GNU and Wine. It's perfect. It's perfect for our community.