Lions Led By Donkeys Podcast - Episode 139 - Operation Red Dog

Episode Date: January 25, 2021

A group of nazis, KKK, and gangsters Voltron together to come up with the dumbest attempted invasion in American history. Support the show: https://www.patreon.com/lionsledbydonkeys Sources: Bell, Stewart. The Bayou of Pigs http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/ron-paul-was-implicated-in-attempted-white-supremacist-island-invasion/

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Legion of the Old Crow today. And now, back to the show. I'm gonna tell all you fascists you may be surprised Hello and welcome to that podcast that I do, Minds Led by Donkeys, that sometimes stars myself and my co-host Nick, but this time is me and Sarah, host of It Came From The Sea the only heavy whale content podcast I'm aware of. Sarah, what's up? You can call me Nick if it makes you feel better It's weird

at this point I feel like legally you're scabbing Nick but our union rules have not been quite ironed out Am I not union then? Also, we're not entirely sure because it might just be me Our union rules have not been quite ironed out. Am I not union then? Because that's bullshit. Also, we're not entirely sure because it might just be me and Nick because everybody else are animals,

and we are not sure the legality of that. And I don't know if Laika can legally vote. I mean, if you're making the union, you can make the rules, and Laika can vote on whether or not she could vote. I like that. I like that option. So a slight preface to this episode. We both took part along with like a dozen other people, a 12 hour charity stream yesterday and to raise money for Project Trevor.

And we did very, very well, raised over $3,500, but we were both very, very tired. I've been sitting in this chair for collectively like a full day now. At this point, my chair has grafted to the skin on my ass to the point that I have become a gaming centaur. That's horrifying. I don't like it. Just rolling around the entire house in your chair unfortunately this means i will probably starve to death because my upstairs is not wheelchair

except accessible you can make it down the stairs i believe in you i feel like if i gather enough speed i could just hurdle myself straight down and not hit the the opposite side wall with the force great enough to kill me uh only one way to find out um i both uh my my legal representative shocks is telling me to tell you not to do that um so i'm not part of the union he can't control me so sarah we've been through some interesting times The last The last time we recorded A lot's happened

Two weeks ago yeah Yeah like a weird Conspiracy theory Eddled brain mixed with Fascists and white supremacists Attempted an insurrection at the nation's capital We generally Don't talk about current events on the show with fascists and white supremacists attempted an insurrection at the nation's capital. We generally don't talk about current events on the show,

but I feel like it's very apt for us to leap back in time and look at another time that a whole bunch of neo-Nazis attempt to overthrow a government. This is back when the US used fascists to overthrow other people's governments. The time-honored tradition.

Yeah, which brings us to the Commonwealth of Dominica, circa 1981. 1981? Almost within our lifetimes. Yeah, that's not that long ago. No, it's not. I do have to start this off by saying there is no definitive proof that the United States government had any support of this coup.

Actually, there's quite a bit of evidence saying the federal government as an entity would prefer it not to happen, but there's a possibility that several low members of Congress and state-level governments did. If that sounds

kind of recent, there's a reason why i picked this as a topic uh so this is the insane story of operation red dog have you ever heard of this red dog red dog uh not clifford though which would have flowed a lot better i don't know clifford might have supported coos i don't know he's a big red. We can assume he's a comrade. That's true. No, I've never heard of this. It's weird. A lot of people know bits and pieces of it because, like, pictures exist. Sure.

But most people don't know all the details. And it's really only been categorized and researched heavily by a Canadian journalist in the book The Bayou of Pigs. That's a fantastic tell you how this this coup attempt ends uh spoilers uh yeah uh so it's not really well known uh and it's very weird uh for instance you know the commonwealth of minica is a nation that's undergoing a whole lot of strife in its time uh for for a nation that's only about 29 miles across. You can get a lot done in that space. Yeah, yeah.

As we say on an island that is slightly larger than that. And like a little self-inflection here. While that sounds small when I say it, it will feel even smaller if you live on it. I can assure you. Because that's about as big as oahu right just differently just about you know a little to the left or right but yeah yeah and it's one of those like uh a lot so i moved here the first time when i was i pcs'd here

with a bunch of other people who had never been to oahu and you think it's going to be like small enough that you could you could ride a bicycle around the whole thing easily and it's it's not so it's like it's it's too big to conveniently get around without a car but it's also big enough that if you're driving around in a car you've seen all of the island within like two weeks also it's you it's uniquely american in that it's very small but incredibly commuter unfriendly, whether it be a bike or, or if you don't own a car. So while I,

I obviously we, we stand the kingdom of Hawaii on this podcast and the illegal American takeover of them. It is uniquely American in the 21st century in that there's nothing good in the sense of it being commutable. You want public transit? Fuck you. Like I live in Honolulu.

I should fairly be able to like, I can see like, for instance, I can see the Aloha Stadium from my house, which is like one of the bigger. Thanks Sarah Palin. I can see Hawaii from my house. Like hypothetically, it should be very easy for me

as a resident of the city to be able to uh get to what is the largest sports venue in the state which isn't saying a whole lot it is not i would die within like 15 minutes of trying to walk across eight different freeways yeah i lived in so the first time i was here i lived on pearl harbor for a few months which is also like technically in honolulu and for me to like even take a bus to get to waikiki which was like five miles away it would take over an hour and also like the buses run at random times and they only take cash and they only take like if you have a 20 you're not getting changed you just paid that bus 20 to get downtown it's the aloha spirit yeah um so yeah like i know that has

nothing to do with the topic but like when like i read over how small this island is i was like okay that sounds small then i remembered like for everyone governing this place and living in it and everyone taking part in um everything I'm about to talk about. It was even smaller than that. Yeah. It's just, it's just hard to feel unless you've like dealt with, I think people call like Island fever from time to time.

I really don't like that. No, but like, yeah, it's, it's weird to think about until you've experienced it. So like most parts of the Caribbean, it spent, now I'm talking about,

I'm talking about Dominica not hawaii um spent a large portion of its history as a colonial subject to one empire or another i mean also also hawaii yeah the one at one point kingdom of its own uh legally recognized sovereign nation and with trade deals with the united states thanks Thanks. That worked out. Someone, off topic again, but someone was like, well, if you wanted Hawaii to be independent, what if it became independent tomorrow?

Would you move back to the States? Like, no, bro, I'd stay here. If they'd have me, I'd stay. I don't know. Yeah, that means I'd be able to immigrate out of the United States without leaving my couch. Oh, man.

It's like a dream of mine. I wouldn't have to learn another language um i would have to change my life in any meaningful way this sounds great i would just probably i assume get health care yeah um uh so uh dominica spent most of its time bouncing between the french and britishires. The first was the French in 1632, though in 1748, the French and the British signed a treaty to treat the small island of something of a neutral go-between, and both of them settled on it. But that changed again as the French and the British were never really one for neutrality during this time.

It's creeping towards a lot of endless wars that they would be shooting at each other until pretty much Napoleon died. So the Brits eventually laid sole claim to the island. Neither side or master in this imperialism game was good news for the people of the island. Shocker. Yeah. Colonialism. Bad?

Bad, maybe. Bad? The British and the French worked the natives so hard on the plantations that death through overwork and disease was very common so they brought in tens of thousands of slaves who do not fare any better for the most part during their short life life expectancy on the plantation is between seven and nine years however however the survivors have become known as afro dominicans uh and would eventually become to dominate the demographic on the island because remember, the colonizers had killed

most of the natives. And this is not the only country this has happened on throughout the Caribbean. It's pretty common. Though these Afro- Dominicans would realize that fuck those guys and launch multiple rebellions against the British overlords, all of which failed, unfortunately,

because history is not just. I should point out that the French were just as horrible as the British overlords, all of which failed, unfortunately, because history is not just. I should point out that the French were just as horrible as the British here. It's not as very important to our story, per se, but shouldn't be left out. I don't want somebody to be like, well, what about the French? Fuck them too.

They're all bad. They all invaded an island and enslaved the people. Yeah, it's not good. In the 1800s, the Brown act allowed people of color yeah i know great name for that one i was just gonna ask okay not named after a person then it might be i actually did not check um let me let me look we can assume racism it's it's a safe bet uh i do not think so no okay i believe it was just named after the color people's skit which is jesus which is very british uh the brown act allowed people of color to have a voice in their

political process and soon after the abolition of slavery was passed uh kind of there's slavery with extra steps still existed uh but we're not going to talk about quite so much kind of like indentured servitude and debt slavery was still pretty legal and widespread. Now, the Afro-Dominican people were the majority of the island and free to vote and run for office. They quickly became the majority elected to local assembly

because that's how representative democracy is supposed to work. This upset the rich elite on the island who were still the land-owning white people who had inherited the wealth of their terrible slave-owning forefathers. As the majority of the Black Assembly lobbied for social reforms, welfare systems, and the empowerment of the former slave class as well as the few surviving indigenous people, the landowning white lobbied for the UK to reassert direct power over the colony. You can already know how this one ends

because, again, history is not just. Seeing that they were probably screwed and the crown was going to sell them out to white people again, many recently freed slaves and middle-class Afro-Dominicans joined forces with the Maroon people, which was a name for runaway slaves who had started their own sick jungle communes yeah and they launched another rebellion which was again put down that's less rad

yeah yeah i i stay in the jungle communes all day uh by 1865 the dream of a land controlled by their own majority was smashed by the uk as they fired the entire assembly and replaced it with white people. Though minimal elections were held as a kind of participation trophy to try to head off any other rebellions, no kind of meaningful reforms were put into place to empower the formerly enslaved, which is just fine for the landowners, because much like here in the US, means you can exploit them again in a system we like to call slavery with extra steps. U.S. means you can exploit them again in a system we like to call slavery with extra steps.

This was the debt servitude. A lot of sharecropping, kind of. I can't wait for this to hit Mars. Yeah, it's going to be really great when Elon Musk does this a million miles in the air. It was really funny when he was talking about what he wanted on Mars

and he unironically described the plot of the video game Outer Worlds. Which is about. Effectively corporate fiefdoms. In outer space. And treating people like shit. I hear that capitalism. It breeds innovation though.

Yeah it was 1920s. Labor laws. But on Mars. Which I'm sure is great. He's the only person to make like Andy Weir's version of Mars in Artemis look smart in comparison I regret bringing it up but only a little

that energy drink I just drank goes down smooth with space apartheid now this pretty much continued unabated for generations with the UK bouncing it around to different island groups like the Leeward and Windward Islands and administration moves that didn't really mean anything

for the people who live there. But slowly in the 1960s, colonialism was becoming a bit of a problem for democratic nations, public relations bit as bastions of freedom standing against the global creeping specter of communism um this is one like the uk lost a bunch of its its holdings right yeah yeah it would be cool if they lost more yeah the fact that they still have any is scotland and northern ireland yeah um. But Dominica was like many parts of the world

that were part of the once powerful British Empire. And it was slowly given more and more power until 1978 when it was granted full independence within the Commonwealth system. A system I'm not going to go into in great detail because I don't care. Also, it doesn't really matter. The problem was the people who came to power after 1978 were deeply corrupt and seemingly not sure how exactly to

run a country um one of those people yeah this happened pretty much all throughout africa as well um and uh one of the reasons was is the the the outgoing colonial administration did not elevate people who were good administrators they elevated people who were good colonial administrators which are two different things yeah right a very very good yes man um though patrick john which is the guy who had become the prime minister, could have been so much better. But he wasn't. He was a socialist, or at least he said he was. And he was also a trade unionist.

He also was 5'1". I don't know why I need to point that out. We stand a short king. You're going to regret those words. Oh, we don't inherently stand short kinks uncritical support to 5-1 patrick john that's not what i said uh now the the the reason why i bring up his height is when you when i say everything that's about to happen it is somehow darkly funny that it comes from a man who could comfortably fit in most suitcases. Yeah.

He's shorter than I was when I was like 13. He's a wee lad. Small boy. He's even smaller than Ben Shapiro, which is very strange. He inherited a country that was

pretty much in shambles. It had no real economy anywhere. So he attempted to make deals anywhere he could in order to bolster the small developing economy of Dominica. Pretty much all of them were illegal or at best unethical. First, he intended to take land from small farmers and set up a free port ran by an American consortium of business that would virtually

be operated as a state within a state. What? It would be completely independent of all Dominican rule. Like a banana republic but a port?

He's gonna sell a fiefdom to somebody. Yeah, what? Yeah, like what if an airport but sovereign nation but only like for business reasons.

But also in your backyard get the fuck out of here. Yeah, and this is on an island that is very small. So this airport, which is probably going to eventually seep into becoming the whole thing, was going to take up and become a dominating part of your government.

That didn't work. Okay. Because pretty much, yeah, pretty much everybody in government was like, what? Yeah. No.

It seemed like most of the reason why this idea even got off the ground is because of large amounts of monetary bribes towards Patrick John himself. No. And then the BBC disclosed another deal that Patrick John's representatives were trying to purchase oil on behalf of apartheid South Africa who's being crushed by sanctions at the time. We no longer stand a short case. Again, this all

comes back to Elon Musk. Was he also trying to look for emeralds? Yeah. He just opened his suitcase and fucking emeralds fell out that's what they were paying him and like and it's not really known how much or if at all domenica ever did this because he was they were effectively going to act as a money laundering scheme for the entire nation of south africa uh because at the time, I mean, shipping law is already kind of just more like a vibe. Yeah.

Yeah. So I did. I did an episode of my podcast. It's all about like how the fisheries business is really corrupt. And a big part of that is just because like shipping laws are just like loose guidelines. You can pay people in cash and you can just keep people on board your vessel for 10 years no one's gonna check it's fine as like we talked about that a little bit when we talked when we uh did a bonus episode on documentary lord of war uh starring nicholas cage uh when uh he just like

switched the flags yeah of a country and interpol which you know is obviously not that powerful or at powerful at all of an organization was like oh like, oh shit, we can't touch him. And obviously that was a bit of Hollywood magic on that part. But the guy that Lord of War is based on, a weapon smuggler named Victor Bout, quite literally did something that simple to beat blockades.

He's like, no, no, no, no. I'm a ship from this place and I'm going here. I understand that it shares a land border with this country that's under sanctions. However, you don't know that's what I'm doing. Yeah. No, that's super calm. And like it is sometimes it is just like you switch the flag and you just cover up the name of the vessel with like a sign.

Well, it was like one of the things that Charles Taylor, one of the few people that the International Criminal Tribunal was able to or the International Criminal Court was able to hold accountable was like during the Sierra Leonean Civil War, where most of Revolutionary United Front's money was coming from blood diamonds a topic we'll eventually discuss at length at some point i'm sure uh like they couldn't sell cereal sierra leonean diamonds because everybody knew they're gonna go to like buying jets and bigger machetes to cut people's hands off so like suddenly liberia's diamonds export which shares a large border with sierra leone was like up 300 percent everybody's like this is fine this is fine also you just said bigger machetes and i'm just picturing like comically large diamond encrusted machetes conflict machetes conflict machetes yeah they're artisanal machetes uh but like these are the things that like patrick john was like his big brain tiny bodied ass was thinking of coming up with and they all failed

okay what if we're what if our country was independent oh what if our country literally was just a scam i mean that's effectively how uh naratu still exists uh or nararu or however it's pronounced uh it's a money laundering scheme for the former soviet union which sure kind of respect it. Yeah, sometimes you gotta look at a hustle and be like, you know, it's a stretch, but I see you. I don't have to, like, respect you as an honorable person, but I gotta respect the hustle. I can appreciate the effort.

Yeah, Patrick Sean Hustle is actually dog shit because none of this worked. Dominica was, and still largely is, one of the poorer nations in the region. That isn't to do with corruption so much anymore, but it's a small independent economy without a whole lot of leverage. But this is made worse at the time by endemic corruption and a horrible devastation by Hurricane David, which rocked the tiny island and rendered a large amount of its population homeless, hungry, and vulnerable.

And now there is also the Dreads. What? The Dreads is a local nickname possibly kind of gross for the practitioners of the Rastafarian faith. Now, I'm not

going to go into a lot about the Rastafarian faith. Now, I'm not going to go into a lot about the Rastafarian faith because that is a podcast of its own somewhere, I'm sure. I don't know much about the Rastafarian faith, to be completely honest. However, I do know how what we in America think about Rastafarians. I'm American. I'm a white guy.

We generally think of a picture of Bob Marley or someone like Bob marley uh smoking weed with dreadlocks or more likely a white guy with dreadlocks smoking weed and thinking he's bob marley also maybe yeah depending if you went to like the evergreen uh college or whatever feel called out um that's pretty problematic and wrong uh though peace love and coexistence is a general tenant among mainstream rostas the the the rostas of dominica were slightly different uh but the government didn't like this hippie shit uh what they saw as foreign infiltration effectively

uh the rasta religion was imported to the island uh from jamaica and the u.s and trinidad and it was eyed with suspicion the island was mostly catholic um and like most outer pressures the catholic church did not respond well uh to this um there was the powers that be were worried that the youth were turning against the church for this new religion what scared them the most was the ross's acceptance of smoking weed and the dreaded specter of communism hell yeah yeah um and the reason for this is that the ross's of dominica were somewhat unique in the comparison to others most ross's were working or lower class people but uh the ross's of dominica were actually came from the the upper class who traveled abroad to go to school.

Oh, that makes sense. So they would go to the surrounding Caribbean nations or the United States, and they came home with a new religion, but also with the concepts of class struggle, communism, and black liberation. Well, those are scary. We don't want those. class struggle, communism, and black liberation. Well, those are scary. We don't want those. These are all things that a local government that had spent the last couple years doing absolutely nothing about

knew that they really hated hearing people talk about. Remember I said that John framed himself as a socialist? Yeah. He was only really doing that for votes. It was more of like no i'm a sure wink like i'll do what you want unions wink um so like when confronted by uh liberationists and you know uh socialists from a from a different strain he was like oh god oh that's that social not that socialism no no different socialism yeah yeah no no no not that kind that's that social, not that socialism. No, no, different socialism.

Yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no, no, not that kind. That's foreign socialism. So according to historian Gabriel Christian, he described the dreads as, quote, unemployed literate youth for whom the social reforms of labor had fostered greater expectations. had fostered greater expectations. Those who became dreads had opted out of established society when those expectations for jobs, higher education, and respected and meaningful role in contemporary Dominican society went unmet.

Sounds like most of us, to be completely honest. Disaffected youth, right? Yeah, exactly. Remember, as we've pointed out, Prime Minister John was considered somewhat left-leaning, yeah exactly um remember as i as we've pointed out minute prime minister john was concerned somewhat left-leaning um but he absolutely fucking hated rostas and to be perfectly clear a lot of dominicans did um this was not like a government specific oppression though quickly turned into one um most petty tyrants really don't like being held accountable

So rather than understanding the complaints of the Rastas And attempting to come to terms Meet them halfway or whatever He described them as outsiders and communist infiltrators Which is kind of hilarious This led to him possibly passing One of the most oppressive religious discrimination laws in the Western Hemisphere seen in the 20th century. And I know those are strong words.

But the Prohibited and Unlawful Societies and Associations Act, which is commonly known as the Dread Act of 1974. The Dread Act of 1974 sounds really cool i have a feeling it sounds like a like a decent like album title yeah yeah dread act this law in effect allowed the government to arrest brutalize or murder anyone who had dreadlocks uh for absolutely no reason whatsoever just wait just dreadlocks Just like a hairstyle? Yeah, because it was like... I know it's affiliated with the religion, but it's just like... It was not... It's not like it didn't exist before Rasta.

It's just a way to have your hair when it's a certain texture. Yep. Yep. Dope. Now, it in effect made the Rasta religion illegal. A best case scenario for Rasta during this time

during this particular reign of terror if they didn't want to be beaten or whatever was to cut off their signature dreadlocks. Most people didn't want to do that because even then they're just associating with someone who might be a Rasta was enough to get a visit from the cops and they're either being beaten or lynched. Um,

yeah. So like either you have your dreads and it's obvious or you cut them off and it's also obvious you just cut off all of your hair. Yeah. It's not a good, it's no choices here are good, which I'm sure was the point. Um,

so, uh, other others did flee the country, but others also escaped into the jungle to live on their own. Most ran, cut off their hair, or fleed into the jungle. Some of them did all of these things

at various points, but the important part here is the people who ran off the jungle because they have a continued part to play in the storyline. The dreads created hidden communes where they hid from authorities and raided nearby towns for food and supplies. Violence is very common between the two sides, with the government blaming the dreads for murdering civilians during the raids. And some of that is true. That absolutely did happen.

But the government was also killing the hell out of civilians uh and also dreads so it's really hard to tell which one was uh members of the dominican defense force the cops or the dreads it all just kind of bleeds together at some point like and not like i'm you know i'm opposed to violence where violence can be avoided but you have these people who you chased off you're threatening to kill and they need food so if they come in and they try to take food to survive and the neighborhood just starts attacking them like violence is gonna happen you set up a system where it's literally unavoidable yeah yeah it's like um when we when we were talking about uh uh the cambodia during

the khmer ruj like they effectively turned low-scale civil war into something of a government policy. Right. And that's what happened. So, that's not good. But also the locals got in on it. The reason for this was

the Dreds, despite rejecting modern society for failing them, knew they needed money and food in order to survive. So they grew weed. Now, the problem is, for people who don't know, growing weed isn't that hard, but it is material intensive. You need a lot of resources. You need a lot of water, but you also need decent land. You can't really hide a weed farm very well, depending on where you're at.

I can't really hide a weed because many of the depending on where you're at i i can't i can't grow anything i probably couldn't grow weed but i do know you need a lot of water yeah um because i see people complain about that all the time um but because many of the dreads flew into the foothills farmland good enough for farming weed was lacking and that there wasn't enough to go around so So it brought them into direct conflict with the locals who were also using the land to grow for weed. Because they were also getting into

the drug game. This wasn't because everybody wanted to become drug traffickers or drug farmers. Growing weed was just significantly more lucrative and easier than growing the island's other main cash crop bananas because the banana uh like economy had completely collapsed wonder how like you could yeah so you could bust your ass growing tree like banana trees whatever they

come from trees right yeah yeah that's fine it's not like pineapples yeah um which i i don't know what i assumed pineapples grew from but i assume they didn't grow like they do but um straight up out of the ground it was uh yeah it's weird it's strange uh but they're a strange fruit uh but like the banana crop price had completely cratered so people could bust their ass growing bananas um and make very little money uh or they could have a significantly easier time growing weed and make more money and they weren't making a killing because there are go between for drug smugglers and stuff and the farmers always get fucked in situations like this right um and they were getting fucked here because enter the dominican

defense force um the defense Forces have been established in 1975 with Prime Minister being its sole commander, this obviously being Prime Minister John. Though for some reason, the commander chose the ceremony rank of Colonel to do so. What? I don't really get that either. Yep, yeah, it's weird.

Sometimes this happens. Like Muammar Gaddafi, he was always a colonel. He never promoted himself to general. His whole thing was that he wanted to remain ostensibly a man of the people, though, right? Something along those lines? Yeah, I wonder if John Patrick was doing the same thing, where it's like, no, no, no, I'm not a despot, because I'm only a colonel. You've got to be a general to be a real tyrant. no i'm not a despot because i'm only a colonel you got to be a general to be like a real tyrant maybe but this is also uh a defense force of like less than a company of infantry so like it doesn't

really need a general true it's true he just wanted to be practical yeah yeah i guess this i mean at that point you could just call yourself captain or whatever um even though the country was pretty much destitute at this point, the ranks of the DDF, who numbered around 90 people. So yeah, like a normal infantry company is like, I don't know, 135 to 40 people in the U.S. military. So it's a very, very small unit of people. I believe the Honolulu Police Department is significantly stronger

than this defense force. How many people are in my boot camp division? Oh, yeah. They have robot dogs. Yeah. Yeah. So even though there's only about 90 people, John lavished gifts and money on them

in order to win over support to their side. Because, you know, he knew he was kind of fucked but he also knew he needed someone on his side because the government was slowly starting to turn against him and he's a prime minister so hypothetically he could be easily ousted from that role but in order

another thing that he did to win them over he allowed them to pretty much do whatever they wanted and what they wanted to do was also get into the drug trade to make more money. This meant that DDF also went to war over the weed fields at the same time as everyone else.

On top of creating a small personal army of aspiring drug runners, John also had done a terrible job managing his country. This led to general unhappiness as those things tend to do. This protest began in the capital And Ja did what most assholes Do in situations like this

When confronted by the people who he was supposed to work for He deployed cops and soldiers to counter them Who ended up firing into the crowds of civilians Two people died And dozens were injured Was he supposed to listen to them? That's ridiculous Maybe? I don't know. I live in America.

We don't do that here. Listen to protests, I mean. Listen to the cops. Now, surprisingly, and I say surprisingly because I lived in a failed state with a Gucci suit on, after seeking his personal army and his people and murdering people in

cold blood, he was voted out of office by the House of Assembly a month later. Cool. Now, because this is a Prime Minister position, on his people and murdering people in cold blood he was voted out of office by the house of assembly a month later so cool now because this is a prime minister position he's also was still a member of the house of assembly because he was a representative okay but he did lose his role as a prime minister and then

the next election cycle he immediately lost his seat oh shit okay yeah so now he's unemployed cool uh fuck you wouldn't have been a problem if you set up an actual it's fine it wouldn't have been a problem if it wasn't for all that apartheid gas smuggling yeah but it got away with it too if it wasn't for you meddling rostas um now if you thought murdering his own people, starting a weed-based civil war, and getting voted out of office was enough

to maybe give John a hint that he should stay out of power, you must be new around here. Obviously, when he was kicked out of office in 1979, but within a year, he was trying to make plans to get back into power by any means. Enter American Ku Klux Klan member named Mike Perdue. Yeah, this is where things get very, very weird. I didn't expect the Klan.

Sarah, I gotta tell you, there's a lot of Klan in this episode. I truly did not expect the KKK. A wild Klansman appeared. Oh no. Now, Perdue was, you know, an army veteran, I guess, in some capacity.

Now, I've seen some reports Scram is a Green Beret. I've seen others Scram is just like an infantryman, but it doesn't really seem to matter. But he was a self-described mercenary, which is not a title that you can give to yourself.

It's like you actually have to do something to earn that title. It's like, I'm not a sniper. It's a title just because you can shoot a gun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he called himself a mercenary and was selling his services as one, but he wasn't one, actually.

He was a truck driver in Houston, Texas. How is he selling them? Just in classified ads? Yes, actually. We'll talk a little bit more about that man seeking hitman that whole story uh funny story about that also yes um we'll get there uh so he was a truck driver in houston texas who was a member of the KKK. And he apparently constantly daydreamed about being a soldier of fortune, despite never actually being one. His brother said, quote, Mike had a lot of big plans over the years, and we never took him seriously.

This is the first time he actually tried to carry one of them out, though. But they always do eventually. This one that we're going to talk about. Yeah, yeah. Now, that big plan was the invasion of Granada. Granada's government had just been overthrown.

Granada's government had just been overthrown by Maurice Bishop's Marxist New Jewel movement. Now, like most racists and neo-Nazis, Perdue fucking hated communism. Maybe more than he hated black people. Hard to tell So he reached out to the former leader of Granada

To offer putting him back into power For a small fee Marcus Carey, the former leader of Granada Agreed So Purdue began to put together a team that he thought he would need What? Uh, yep But he was a member of the kkk so in order to make connections he reached out to who else

but david duke uh david david duke is probably one of america's most well-known racists and almost at one point governor of louisiana very close yeah uh and he so i should say he's america's most well-known racist who is not currently in elected office but that almost happened a couple times um was this was duke thought gone was this whole thing was he contacted by a wannabe mercenary truck driver before or after he ran for governor of louisiana this is in the late 70s uh so i'm not sure when he ran for governor um i believe the 80s i think it was the 80s but he was in like he was like a small-time representative before that anyways uh so he ran in 1991 so yeah this is before that yep dream big you know? And hopefully fail if you're David Duke.

Though, so, David, everybody at this point, David Duke's still very well known. He's the face of American racism, effectively. And he was all the way until very recently, quite honestly. Right. So normally when you're a guy who has to know

that there's like, all of your phones are bugged or whatever at this point, maybe don't take calls or letters from someone who are looking to start a racist, weird coup against communism in Granada. Yeah, those meetings have to happen in person. Yeah, Duke thought the plan was great. So he used his vast KKK connections to help him find money and people for the operation. Oh my God. Though David Duke would not get arrested

or go to prison for any of his rule on this, none of this would have happened without David Duke being a middleman. Now, the first man that David Duke got in contact with was a guy named Don Black. Now, have you ever heard of Don Black? No. Because you probably have and you just don't know it.

We'll get there. I'm scared now. Black was from Alabama because of course he was. He was a high-ranking member of the KKK who once worked for J.B. Stoner. Now, J.B. Stoner was the leader of the short-lived National States Rights Parties

Which is the Neo-Nazi Party And they were almost certainly Connected to blowing up a synagogue In 1958 But just to underline how gross these guys were This is off topic slightly Another guy who worked for J.B. Stoner campaign Was Jerry Ray

He is brother of James Earl Ray The guy who killed Martin Luther King Jr. Oh my god. We were recording this on a happy Martin Luther King day. Yeah, that's great. Yeah. Jesus. It all comes back full circle. No, I did not plan for this to be recorded today. Now,

credit where credit is kind of due here, Jerry Ray was not as awful as his brother. He did shoot Don Black in the chest um but don black survived unfortunately um now this is where i said that um maybe you've heard of don black yeah don black started stormfront oh that's right oh uh for people who don't know what stormfront is it is the largest or was the largest i know it's been deplatformed and move around a couple of times uh a forum resource if you will i don't know you want to call it for white hate in the world for the longest time. I believe it's a forum.

It puts out propaganda and all sorts of shit. Don't go there. It's disgusting. I know like a thousand people are going to Google it now. Though it's kind of fallen out of favor recently because I know Stormfront is mostly a KKK

thing, but there's a lot of neo-Nazis. Now you don't have to go to like a white hate thing. You can just go to Facebook. Yeah, you can just talk to your fucking mom sharing Facebook content now. But yeah, it's still totally there.

Now, most people probably heard of Stormfront. You probably haven't heard of the next guy. Wolfgang Droge. The hell of a name though which i fucking hate that his name is so cool but i mean his name is cool because it's a villain name yeah yeah and he was he was the leader of the canadian heritage front so most of these a lot of these guys are fucking canadian which is weird um the heritage front was formed after the collapse of the national party of canada which survived in some way or another but a lot of people went the more extreme of them

went and formed the heritage uh front uh which was weirdly inspired after momar gaddafi what uh invited a bunch of canadian neo-nazis to visit libya for some reason she welcomes back to qaddafi baby i don't know why qaddafi and david do it's like uh qaddafi also hung out with like uh straight up street gangs yeah to sell them like anti-air rockets at one point he's a weird dude um uh though the heritage front never managed to do anything in the political arena other than like smuggle american neo-nazi bands into canada because like canada and like the uk and australia and a few like new zealand i think has some laws that if you're like this disgusting they'll just ban you from entering right um and a lot of these bands are like uh not allowed to enter canada

uh so they like effectively were coyotes for Nazi bands going into Canada, which is very strange. But that's like, was their, their main method of their weird activism. Like I said, Canadians are very involved here because drogue was not alone. There's a lot of other Canadians with them.

That included the grand master of the Canadian KKK, James Alexander McCurder. Does he spell Canada with a K? I would assume they have to, right? KKK Canada. KKK K. What's the extra K for Canada? Outside of these guys,

there's about 10 others actively involved in the operation themselves all of them with some connection to the KKK or American Nazi Party or you know they're like the fucking what was the other one the white workers party all sorts of racists and Nazis and stuff like that also

a lot of the a lot of members of the ATF but we'll get there. Now. Cool. Yeah. People began to get suspicious. Because to pull off a big goal like this, you need money.

Right? Right. So he had to do fundraising. So he had to trick people. Because you can't do neo-nazi bake sales i mean they call those like police union fundraisers but you can't like even in america where dog whistle racism is like the norm you can't wear a nazi armband and talk to like a millionaire and get funding um like not that they don't just they don't disagree with your with your politics it's that this shit goes tits up

they can't be seen giving money to nazis right um but you know who they can give money to anti-communists. Oh, you sure can. I mean, that's why all that money went to Rhodesia. It's that they're like, oh, we don't support apartheid, we just don't like communism. Two of those things are the same. No, it's fine.

Yeah. So he pulled a deck out of the old Silvercore playbook and began lying his ass off. Purdue began to tell everybody involved that he is a Vietnam veteran with extensive combat mercenary experience in Uruguay and Nicaragua. He claimed that he had the backing of the CIA and the State Department. and the State Department and that former governor of Texas John Connolly and US

Representative Ron Paul of Houston knew what he was doing and approved of it. They just couldn't give him money because he couldn't have fingerprints on this shit. Did nobody... Nobody checked? I mean, it's the fucking 70s. He's not going to Google it.

It was a lot easier for people to just lie about themselves back then that's like a lot of the people who uh volunteered to go fight in rhodesia were like yeah i'm a hardcore combat experienced guy and they're like word good enough for me why would you lie to me about this you know um and uh he told that that his new recruits that remember like all these guys were horrible racists in various shades however they didn't want to like get involved in a suicide mission and uh it's like in silver core he obviously was sending these dudes in to die and he got people who should absolutely know better like fucking green berets and seals and shit who are dumb but they're

not this dumb right to like look past all the rough edges like no no man this is cia up and because like you know you look around like we both know like well the cia does shit like this all the time yeah right no yeah this does sound like a cia pop and that it sounds real shady yeah yeah uh and this is how he sold it to fundraisers as well um so he like he tricked the people that would actually be going to dominica with weapons and also people who gave money and people gave a lot of fucking money like tens of thousands of dollars at a time um to include david duke who gave a lot of money. But there's some construction company out of Texas gave him like 50 fucking grand.

What the fuck? Even if I was someone who is very, very anti-communist and racist or whatever, and I had I don't know, a big business construction company thing

wherever, and I had all this money lying around and some asshole who has a day job day job driving a fucking truck down the street i was like hey i work for the ca by the way i need money like look i agree with your goals but i feel like you're fucking lying to me it must have been like you know what i mean yeah yeah exactly like this there's there's nothing to back this what i mean yeah yeah exactly like this there's there's nothing to back this up i mean maybe there was maybe he was better at this grift than than i'm giving him credit for and he had like fake i don't know fake cards or some shit but like i'm just sliding a a memo on like a fake ca letterhead with like misspellings like please go

do coup in dominica dominican republic crossed out and it says Commonwealth of Dominica. I just wonder, was he promising this construction company and other companies? Like, no, no, no, you'll get exclusive rights to build in our new capitalist utopia or whatever. Because $50,000, you got to be getting something in return for that much. Oh, Sarah. Oh, yeah? I'm going to tell you what this guy's plans were and they are insane um but yeah he sold as all like you know the state department the cia absolutely

wants us to go topple um eugenia charles who was the the person who took over after um patrick john but remember before they're talking about Granada, we're going to go kick out the new jewel movement. It's explicitly Marxist because they're a threat to national security. They're going to let the Soviets in there because the fucking Soviets care about Granada so much. They've got all the extra cash to throw at Granada once it's free. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, there was a lot of Cubans that like immediately moved into granada but like that's cuba though and that would yeah and that would be how um like they would eventually greenlight the u.s invasion of granada among other reasons but like he was the fact like no they want us to go get rid of them so like you know that the effectively the um the domino theory effect of the Caribbean. Very stupid. But it worked once. It ended up working twice. Well, actually, three times we got the US invasion. So Nazi hat trick.

We did it. But you can't just launch a coup, right? You got to train for that shit. And outside of, you know, Purdue, apparently, none of them had any training. And they also had no land, Purdue, apparently, none of them had any training. And they also had no land or any like compound in the mountains or anything to go train from. So like, where do you find a fucking mercenary training center? Well, back during our episode about Rhodesia, we talked a little bit about how these people found their way to

apartheid junior in Africa to fight a war. And that is a classified ad in Soldier of Fortune. Same thing. I found the ad. I actually found the mercenary training school ad. And you can find it online. It's still there. Most of the old

Soldiers of Fortune magazines have been um scanned and you can find them online and they're unhinged messes they're great um so they found an ad that literally said mercenary training school that's what it's and it's just so you can tell like how unorganized these classifieds were there wasn't like mercenary section recruitment section or anything it was just as an ad placed just below and another ad looking for a guy looking to sell a bunch of army medals to include

the Medal of Honor which I'm going to assume this guy did not earn well if he sells them to Purdue though Purdue will look extra legit this could work out so this school was ran by a guy called Franklin Camper who was actually Well, if he sells them to Purdue, though, Purdue will look extra legit. This could work out. So this school was ran by a guy called Franklin Camper, who was actually a former FBI informant. Now, he wasn't like a full time FBI informant. He actually only informed for the FBI so he could inform on a local black communist liberation group.

What a piece of shit. It's the worst kind of snitch and this is a guy like southern alabama like right near the florida border um so he was self-proclaimed mercenary trainer based out of alabama and he also was not very good at his job no uh there was another there's another story uh where he brought an entire training class of his fucking mercenary university or whatever over the border into Florida and then accidentally trespassed on the grounds of a power plant and everybody got arrested. So that's funny. Now, so our band of fearless Nazi mercenaries attempted to recruit Camper into the cause but he turned it down uh because he thought it was very stupid um that's bad this is a guy who got his entire class arrested at one point um i know when i'm trying to launch a super secret coup operation i just invite everyone i

meet he seemed like a cool guy yeah yeah totally trustworthy and not a c spook at all. Or FBI spook, whatever. It's fine. They weren't communists or black. He wasn't going to inform on them. Yeah, that's fair. And there's no evidence that he did, even though he knew all about their plans. So all of these plans put together,

they have their money. So now he's just got to do the plan, right? Yeah. So he puts the team in his money together to go training and then their final steps to go invade Granada completely fall through Purdue wanted Eric Gary

to land with him during the invasion which was I'm assuming going to be a seaborne event how are they getting there yeah I assume a yacht I don't know now Purdue's an idiot but he also knew a group of white people who would almost certainly be wearing or holding kkk and nazi shit wouldn't be very welcomed by the black inhabitants of granada so he thought that um gary would have to land with them um

and uh like to like rally people around them and Sure. And Gary rightfully assumed this dumbass plan wouldn't work and he didn't want to get himself killed in the effort. So he refused ending the plan. I mean, and to be fair, this is a very real possibility. All these dudes would have been killed because one of the first things that Maurice Bishop did

when he went to Granada was set up a people's military. Yeah. So we've got a lot of guns pointed at him with Cuban training. So like they would have been much better of guns pointed at them uh with cuban training so like they would have been much better off than anything yeah yes not from some guy in southern alabama yeah um so this left purdue with a bunch of money and nazis and no coup uh and since it wasn't 2021 they couldn't just invade the u.s capital just yet they had to turn to patrick john and dominica now uh john couldn't offer Purdue any money, because remember,

he didn't have any. But he did offer them other sick benefits if he could switch his Granada plan over to Dominica. Purdue would be given a high office within the government of Dominica and be given complete command over the newly expanded DDF.

That wasn't all. His company, or his company that all of them kind of threw in together called the nordic empire enterprises because of course would be given huge amounts of land uh now they would also be given complete charge over the timber industry um yeah which is like gives them a which gives them a legal front, but they were also going to be given that airport plan, the one that we originally talked about with the weird airport fiefdom. Oh, you wanted a compound?

What about a fiefdom? Yeah. They would also control tourism and agriculture, but their other plan was to turn Dominica into a gambling paradise and, of course, smuggle some drugs while they're at it this is man i'm not gonna make my own coup with hookers or with blackjack and hookers you know what fuck the coup just give you all that uh another part of their plan was to turn dominica into

something of a nazi paradise without any laws in place they could use their racist fiefdom to turn out nazi propaganda back into the u. US and Canada. Though the plans were not consistent depending on which Nazi or KKK member you talk to, Perdue just wanted to squeeze as much money out of the island as he could while getting to play military, which he obviously was a huge fan of. While several of the Canadians

wanted to put John in power only temporarily with the long-term goal of establishing their own apartheid state on the island. It's not that big of an island. I know, right? There's also a side plot by a Canadian mafia leader named Chuck Hanover to turn the entire

place into a headquarters for a cocaine manufacturing system and gun running. It was a libertarian paradise, really. I'm just picturing a bunch of like a bunch of like variety of nazis and clansmen all in like different parts of their uniform daydreaming and all the little bubbles above their head are filled with different libertarian and racist dreams oh yeah yep like depending on who you talk to they all had wildly

different ideas uh they just knew they wanted to do violence to someone that had a different skin color i think it's a common goal that united them really because if you notice like he recruited them all all of them racist into like an anti-communist thing to invade granada a plan which is a

suicide mission um because like they're i mean the new jewel movement outside of all the racism that these guys were their brains were soaking in was Marxist you know but Eugenia Charles was like the Ronald Reagan of the Caribbean so like yeah so like

the Eugenia Charles the woman who took over Dominica after Patrick John was not communist in any way but they're just like yeah sure fuck it let's do it oh my god they didn't give a fuck they just want to do race burner um it's like that uh the whitest kids you know skit where the guy is just hanging outside the window like come on man race war race war bro jesus uh but they did a coup um now purdue

traveled to Dominica and met with John, who managed to strike up a friendship with none other than drum roll the dreads. OK.

Yeah. Now, John was telling the dreads if he was put back in power, not only would they be able to grow and sell weed,

the government would stop oppressing them and he would overturn that law that he did. Yeah. Remember that time I told you I'd kill all of you what if i could i could stop that though guys hear me out i had my fingers crossed the whole time this time it'll be different and purdue who hated them for not only not being christian but also being black right uh knew that

if he swept into power, which is what his goal was in some way or another, he would already have a functional marijuana growing system in place to immediately exploit. So he was like, yeah, sure, let's do it. And also enter the DDF, which was still loyal to John, who had been training and arming the Dreads while in preparation put John back in power

while also smuggling drugs. They're all drug smugglers at this point. It really doesn't matter. Now, unfortunately for John and his Nazi bros, all of these plans would be for absolutely nothing. Patrick John got kicked out of office. He was replaced by someone good at the job kind of um eugenia charles who we've talked a little bit before uh as prime minister now it was a job

that she'd hold for 15 years and uh one of her missions other than going the u.s into invading grenada uh for no reason i see me with the reagan comparison yeah yeah like people have called like the iron lady of the caribbean like comparing her to margaret thatcher uh and yeah she didn't do anything that disgusting even comparing her comparing her to ronald reagan's pretty she didn't have that much power if she was just in charge of the dominic uh the republic of dominica uh the commonwealth the dominican republic is a different place um yeah it gets confusing but uh like she did go the u.s. intervening granada for no reason mostly um coming up with things that marise bishop really didn't do then marise bishop was you know cooed and killed himself and she was

like think of the destabilization you know uh but whatever but one thing that she did do was root out corruption within the ddf or at least try um now charles was pretty much like everybody else and that knew that in the fact that she knew that the ddf was effectively uniform drug smugglers and were high all the time so she began to actually arrest people uh within the ddf for openly smuggling drugs one of these soldiers that they arrested uh attempted to pass a note to a cop. Now, that note was supposed to be delivered to another member of the DDF, the head of the DDF at the time. And the note said that,

don't worry, the plan should still go ahead. And that note was addressed to the head of the DDF, who was also in contact with Patrick John the whole time. Oh my God. So they were also arrested. Yeah. I mean, credit, like, I'm actually kind of shocked because, like, the Dominican cops are also incredibly corrupt.

But even that guy took a look at that note and was like, God damn, even I wouldn't do something this stupid and turned him in um now this should mean the end of the plot everybody involved is arrested but it wasn't um purdue because you know patrick john was not the important part of the plan so purdue just changed the first part of the plan to raid the jail and free him because they like he still needed john to look, we're putting him back in power. Right. Now, the problem is he was doing this while calling people on unsecured phone lines from

Dominica back to the US and Canada and then back and forth once he got back to the US. Now, I don't know about Canadian intelligence intelligence law or anything but this shit immediately got picked up by canadian intelligence yeah like i don't know if they're allowed to monitor phone lines without like warrants or whatever but like the unsecured pay phone calls from dominica to canada between two neo-nazis immediately got picked up by canadian intelligence who then fed it to the fbi uh though canadian intelligence pointed out that they were certain that the United States knew about it because they were so bad at their planning. What I think the Canadian intelligence did that the FBI didn't is that the Canes were like, no, no, no, they're actually going to try it. They're not just talking shit anymore.

So the FBI was like, fine, we'll tell the ATF. I guess if we have to yeah and the atf like immediately infiltrated this group um by the time uh of the actual proposed invasion three members of the invasion team were members of the atf which is pretty common for shit like this like they were undercover agents or they just like wanted to do a coup actually i should point that out um they were not uh cops who happened to be nazis also they were atf members pretending to be nazis okay something we need to differentiate uh these days uh they're undercover agents yeah okay okay. They probably also had parlor accounts if they're still alive. That's just for

fun, though. This was for work. It's just for OSINT. Don't worry about it, bro. We're good. In February, Purdue tried to hire a boat, which is a key part to, obviously, invade an island from New Orleans. Now, because he had such a small invading

force of 10 men, which admittedly, if they were like highly trained men or whatever, I have no doubt they could push aside the DDF who are all untrained and high all the time. All half of them are like in their pocket. Stupidly smuggling drugs. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

And they're commanders in fucking prison. But there was like 10 dudes, so they all can fit comfortably on one boat. But I mean mean chartering a boat over like 2 000 miles of ocean is pretty expensive uh so he had to spend several thousand dollars i think it was like ten thousand dollars um to charter a boat uh the person took the money and uh kind of saw that they may or may not be dealing with someone who is doing crime and just ghosted him. And made off

with his money too, which is kind of hilarious. I don't know if the person that ghosted him got to keep that money or the ATF got in contact with them. I think they should be allowed to keep the money. But they then as like a last ditch after

like, fuck, we need to find somebody else. So they simply went down to the docks. This is Purdue. Went down to the docks to hire another charter. And he did this by asking a captain, hey, could your boat get to Domenica? And he was like, yeah, why? And then he said that we needed a charter for a top secret CIA mission. Yep, yep, yep yep yep yep that's

how that happens like no bro totally now the captain rightfully uh did not think he was being hired by some cia people um and he was actually a veteran himself and had been at one point an informant for the atf um and a re yeah a reason for that is because like being a ship captain on the harbor uh in a major metropolitan area means that like it's a smuggling route yeah right and he was kind of like known as being a guy who just kind of like hung out the harbor and would like tell the cops if he saw some sideways shit he's just a general snitch yeah um but he'll he also happened to be a boat captain and um he so he's like yeah i'll take that job if it's for the cia you know and then he immediately called the atf and the atf was like well we already know about this but now that they're actually like making exit strategies

towards dominica we should probably do something um because this is like even though it's an organized group of people right like purdue's doing a lot of this independently with like don black doing a lot of the heavy lifting as well uh and then like only later they telling the people who are supposed to go with them so there's a good chance that the ATF people who are in the ranks didn't actually know about the boat plan until the boat guy called the cops that really would have mattered

because at the point where they're boarding a boat the ATF agents either have to like arrest them or not get on the boat because at that point you're just invading a country which is very illegal. Well, you know, it's for work. Yeah, it's a work trip.

You need enough evidence to act on it. Otherwise, you can't arrest half the people involved. Yeah, I would say that, like, I'm not a cop. But, like, I would say that, like, the burden of proof a cop but like I would say that like the burden of proof ends with chartering a boat to go to Dominica and I'm glad the ATF agreed because on April 27th 1981 while the men all

load themselves onto their hired boat with 30 different rifles dynamite which was gifted to them along with thousands of dollars yeah it was they literally someone sent them get gift wrapped dynamite from, like, a KKK group. Kind of hilarious.

Yeah, this... Oh, this is some shit I had laying around. And a Nazi flag, because, of course... Yeah, subtle. All of which you could find pictures of, yeah. The ATF showed up. It's actually kind of funny.

They, like, said something like, you're not going to dominica today like you know they were like practicing that in the car they're like okay what are we gonna say we need a good line yeah that takes the sunglasses off like you can cancel your island invasion um now despite wanting to go to war on an island not too far away they all surrender without a fight because they're spineless cowards yeah as it as it goes now if you're like me and you're not a lawyer you're probably wondering like okay what did they do do that was technically illegal right all of their firearms were actually legal they were legally purchased so that yeah they didn't violate any rules there

i mean is there like an american law it's very. Is there an American law against invading another country? Probably not. There is. It's called the Neutrality Act. Oh, okay. Yeah, so they were charged with violations of the Neutrality Act, a law that is not used very often. Now, this law forbids assaults on nations which the U.S. is not at war with.

I assume that there's a loophole that you can still use to be a privateer in some function. Like, technically, the U.S. is at war with Afghanistan, so I could invade it. Well, also, we're not technically at war with Afghanistan either, but whatever. There was a guy who tried that and didn't get very far, though. They made a Nicolas Cage movie out of it like any good hero the guy was actually deeply troubled he was some like evangelical weirdo who

crossed attempted to cross the border from like Pakistan into Afghanistan while carrying like a claymore what? just one claymore? a sword not a mine like a double handed claymore? What? Just one? Just one claymore? A sword. Not a mine. Like a double-handed claymore sword.

Yes. Deeply unwell, man. There's also another guy who did get into Afghanistan and set up his own black site independent of the CIA. I think he might still be in prison in pakistan though i don't really remember what happened you can stay there yes i i abolish the carceral state but keep that guy somewhere that you can't get out and start torturing people again yeah asterix some some exception may imply yep yep um now this law the neutrality act because like i mean it's a very strongly worded law right like

they invade assaulted a nation that they like the u.s is not worth like you can assume this is like some intense shit like you're gonna go like face some serious federal time right yeah everybody involved in less than three years in prison oh you what like they wanted to take over an entire country but if you were to steal the wrong item from a store you can get more jail time than that they were protesters in utah being threatened with a life sentence for a blm protest right yeah they were threatening journalists in seattle for not handing over photographs with like three to five years in prison. Right. Yeah. I mean, to be fair, this is certainly more time

than anyone who invaded the Capitol is going to get. That's true. But yeah, they all did less than three. The most anybody did was three years in prison. Even Purdue? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think he did the most time at three years. Yeah. They all fought the charges

and attempted to turn the court into something of a showpiece of their nazi bullshit now one of these is actually kind of funny because don black uh was forced on uh like under oath to explain his nazi beliefs okay and he did it in such a way that kind of made him look bad to other nazis uh because like someone asked him was, do you believe that white and black people are equal? And his answer was like, under the law, yes. Which I guess is a very Nazi way to cop out on your belief. But other Nazis countered with, under the law, they shouldn't be equal and stuff like that. So he fucked up on that one and said he tried to frame himself as what else?

A good old anti-communist. Now, I'm going to say a quote from Don Black. I would really like to say it's going to be the only quote I ever say of Don Black on this podcast. And I want you to just mull it around a bit. See how it feels when I and let me know if this is probably something that you would hear anywhere else. I already don't like it.

All right. Quote, I supported Reagan, and the only reason why is with a strong national defense. More and more countries are being swallowed up by communism, and it's important to stop it in Dominica, because it is in our hemisphere. Yeah. Joe, I gotta tell you

i don't like it to counter this a state department witness ridiculed the defense's assertion that dominica was threatened by communism uh black's attorney patrick mcginty a former federal prosecutor praised the black in his closing argument to the jury quote he believes in america he believes in the constitution he believes in the equality of man he believes in America. He believes in the Constitution. He believes in the equality of man. He believes in God in this country and for what it stands. He called Black, quote, a highly principled, definitely outspoken, and not afraid to take a stand for what he believes in. He's a strong, conservative, active young American.

He is a doer, and we need more people like him. Oh, my God. i have to say reading that right now in 2021 that could have been about the kenosha shooter like what the fuck that could have been that could have been about fucking uh holly and fucking missouri um yeah it's actually kind of funny that like the pro it said like the federal prosecutor laughed what he and they were talking about communism in dominica because like come on i worked with eugenia charles yeah they're like communism not that one yeah um i mean this is a hundred percent the way like knowing that this is how they're describing the guy who eventually creates

stormfront and they're like it just slaps very weird when I'm pretty sure this is how Tucker Carlson described like Kyle Rittenhouse too. Yeah exactly. It's all very dark and certainly doesn't speak anything about the soul of this broken place. There aren't certain trends going through the thread of the history

of the United States. It's ridiculous. Yeah we probably shouldn't pull out those threads too hard or we might get an insurrection or something. Womp. Now, while on stage, Perdue and his fellow defendants did what else? But immediately try selling out

all of the people who got them there. It's incredible how this keeps happening. Oh my god. It's that individual spirit, you know? Yeah, it's almost like when you build your entire spirit on individualism. There's no solidarity and it's great watching them tear apart each other.

Now, he pointed out, this is Perdue, that every prominent conservative in America knew what they were doing. Though most didn't give them money, they all supported it about or they all knew about the plot and supported it morally. And Don Black's attorney, that is, attempted to defend this by subpoenaing both Ron Paul and former Texas Governor John Connolly. Oh.

Now, yeah, the judge, for some reason, refused to subpoena the men um i could kind of understand why ron paul wouldn't have been subpoenaed because he's a sitting congressperson at the time um in the dumbest way possible i could see why that would occur right um but john connelly was a former governor holding no office at the time um But while the judge threw out the subpoenas, maybe it's also because it really had nothing to do with the charges at hand. Even if Ron Paul was like, yes, I am a representative in the United States government. And yes, I supported Don Black's plan. That doesn't make his plan any less illegal. Right.

And just because you agree with what's happening doesn't mean you're actively like providing for it right it would just mean that like Ron Paul did crimes so like the subpoenas almost certainly would be met with I plead the fifth if I was if I was to be in their shoes

which I wouldn't because I'm not a Nazi strange that now this will also be very very easy thing for both conley and paul to distance themselves from like laugh and be like of course i had nothing to do with a kkk plot to overturn dominica right they didn't neither one of them ever defended or ever ever denied being a part of the plot furthermore don black and ron paul continue to be very good friends. And Ron Paul's recently took a picture

with both Don Black and his son. Okay. Yep. Okay. I can make inferences. Yep. So you can assume that he did support it. I mean, like, come on now.

Yeah. Come on. At the very least, he told them, if this is successful, I will speak on your behalf. I believe on the last episode I did with Shox, our question from the Legion is, what conspiracy theory is your favorite? This is now my favorite one. Because, like, I think I legally have to say, there's a good chance he had something to

do with it. I fully believe he did. Yeah. The state of Texas may or may not have supported an attempted coup i mean that's how the state of texas exists in the first place you could say that about a few different times in history yeah um now while the americans got off relatively lightly and went on to i don't know to be successful in their fields of being awful people, Don Black especially. Patrick John was hit with a 12 year prison sentence.

And actually shortly after this, Domenico was also hit with another coup attempt, this time again by the DDF, which failed and led to the DDF being disbanded entirely and no longer exists. Probably should have happened after the first one.

Maybe, yeah. No, John was not being disbanded entirely and probably should have happened after the first one maybe yeah um no john was not done attaining high levels of power and then doing everything he could to enrich himself with it after he was released from prison he became head of the dominica football association soccer um which immediately became very very flush with fifa cash now if you don't think about fifa it's one of the most corrupt institutions on earth and they're almost which immediately became very, very flush with FIFA cash. Now, if you know anything about FIFA, it's one of the most corrupt institutions on Earth. And they're almost routinely racked by bribery scandals. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He did a lot of bribery. All sports institutions are, but FIFA's just very open about it. Yeah, and he did a lot of that, but he was so bad at it that even fifa banned him from the organization yeah uh now i hate to leave this episode on a down note because obviously it's something that tends to happen um on this show from time to time so i'll try to cheer everybody up in 2005 uh wolfgang drogue was shot in the face while trying to buy cocaine in Canada and died.

That Nazi cheers everybody up, right? That's the most Nazi death, too. Shot over cocaine. But yeah, everybody involved is... If they haven't been shot in the face over coke, they're still around today. Don Black hosting Stormfront on various different websites, mostly based in Russia with like Gab and stuff like that.

Parlor now too. Yep. Parlor now too. So Sarah, we do a little thing on the show called questions from the Legion. If you would like to ask a question from Legion, you can donate a dollar to the show and slide into my DMs on Patreon or send me a message on discord.

And I'll answer it on the show to the best of my ability. I really liked this one. Who would win in a fist fight? Napoleon, Napoleon Bonaparte or Joseph Stalin? I would be Stalin. Napoleon 10 times out of 10. And here's why.

Yes. Napoleon was a soldier until the day he died um now he got he got a little bit like thick around the waist or whatever but like that dude was a fucking scrapper he didn't survive all that long uh because all that time because he was a weakling and he died probably because the british poisoned him um also i'm biased and i hate joseph well i don't like yeah come on but joseph stallion did like especially if he's younger for going with like a younger jay stalls he used to do like train robberies and bank heist very poorly but he did them and so he definitely wasn't like

he had no fear when he probably should have until he got older and then he was afraid of everything but like this is true for depends on what age we're talking about because Stalin lived long enough to become a crippled old man and stroke out and die. In a puddle of his own piss. As he deserved. I don't know. Young Napoleon was a scrapper too. So Corsican

politics when he was growing up was mostly based on street fighting and assassination. So he was knife fighting and shooting people in the streets to make his way through politics. Not to mention, he survived the French Revolution. Well, okay, but Stalin survived... By shooting a lot of people with cannons.

Stalin survived a lot too, though. I don't know. That's a tough one. Yeah. I don't know. Obviously, I'm a Napoleon stan and I don't normally stan the aristocracy because you shouldn't.

Matt, not a soft guy. Now, Emperor Napoleon versus Chairman Stalin would be a shitty fight for everybody involved because they both got fat and weak and didn't care. It would be both of them just yelling for their second and then their third and then their fourth to come and fight for them.

Yes, exactly. The Marshals of France versus the Marshals of the Soviet Union. No, France would win that one. Yeah, because they were all like their early 20s and 30s and killing things with swords still. They also were being kept up all night by Stalin forcing them to watch westerns while they drank. And danced. Hiding tomatoes in their pockets.

So, young Bonaparte versus young Stalin. Hard to say. Old Napoleon versus old Stalin Napoleon. We'll let everybody else iron out the details. I know it's hard because they're both fighting a lot of people when they're young.

Yeah, I think a lot of people forget that because obviously they weren't famous until they were in charge, but they both lived through a lot of shit. Yeah, I don't know. Hard to say. Hard to say. I mean, they both survived revolutions and then co-opted those revolutions and did terrible things. Maybe they just would have gotten along, actually.

Thanks for coming by. Yeah, thanks for having me. For all the things that Napoleon was, he did lay out the Napoleonic Code, which was very progressive for its time and also more progressive than Stalinist Soviet Union. I don't think they would have been good friends. very progressive for its time and also more progressive than Stalinist Soviet Union. Uh,

I don't think they would have been good to say, but, uh, you know, Napoleon would absolutely still try to invade Russia. Uh, cause like he was friends with Alex and still invaded Russia. So fuck it.

Um, yeah. Sarah, if you'd like to plug your show, this is the plug zone. Plug away. I don't know if I like the sound of the plug zone. Um,

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So again, it's great Erasure. So again, it's great to have you on for always. While Nick is attempting to set up his internet because poor bastard.

And until next time, don't do a Nazi coup. Or most other kinds of coups. People in DC already broke that. Yeah. Don't do coup that yeah don't do coups don't do coups don't do

insurrections yeah revolutions yeah don't don't don't do political violence folks it's bad actually and we'll see you next time