Lions Led By Donkeys Podcast - Episode 30 - PragerU is Bad for America

Episode Date: December 17, 2018

On this episode Joe is joined by Justin Rose. Justin is a Marine and US Army Veteran and host of the Everything is Awful Podcast to talk about the dangers of Historical Revisionism and the bastardization of facts in the name of politics. PragerU manages to do all of these things in Youtube videos that last less than 5 minutes. Follow the show @Lions_by Follow Joe @jkass99 Follow Justin @Armyguyjustin want to support the show? Donate to our Patreon and get access to all of our bonus content http://www.patreon.com/lionsledbydonkeys Want some merch? we have that too! https://teespring.com/stores/lions-led-by-donkeys-store

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you might feel pretty one-sided. Conservatives are being painted to be something we're not. Ignorant. Bigoted. Even racist. Which we're not. Our ideas. Our values.

They're not being communicated clearly. Or worse. Sometimes, they're not being communicated at all. But there's an opportunity now to change the tide, and we can see that it's working. Prager's U is building a counterculture with an impact on millions of people every day. Impact on people like Brad. Prager's U helped give me more confidence to articulate my views and stand up for what I believe in. White Power. Hello and welcome to another episode of the Lions Led by Donkeys

podcast. I'm Joe and with me today is Justin Rose, the host of the Everything is Awful podcast. And we've been trying to do this for a long time. And full disclosure, Justin did interview me once for my book. So it's not that that really matters. It's not like I'm grilling him or anything. Today we're talking about awful garbage people. So throughout the few months of this podcast history, everybody who's been a longtime listener has known that we tend to go in pretty hard on historical revisionism. Our viewer questions episode kind of largely turned into that,

mostly because I'm insufferable and going rancid and it can't stop me. Also, my interview with Tom was about the strange cult of Nazi commanders in armor and things like that that kind of still hang out in some military circles. And I'm sure I'm not alone in noticing a pretty recent large uptick in the large warping of historical record to further political aims in some sectors of American society. So if we call this the we call this the Charlie Kirk. Yeah. Also, I know I have some international listeners.

And so this is going to be focusing on American historical revisionism because I don't know what happens in your news media. Feel free to slide in my DMs and tell me and I'll gladly talk about it. This includes things like the rehashing of the lost cause theory, the clean Wehrmacht theory, which we've talked about a little bit, and the myth that General Robert E. Lee did not own slaves. These are all things I'm sure we'll cover eventually, and they do deserve the attention of like full episodes or full series in some cases. So we're not going to hash them out here today. Today, we're going to talk about a slick propaganda machine that did not just stick a couple of fingers into the realm of warping history,

but they jammed their entire goddamn fist in it. And we are, of course, talking about Breaker U. Yay. So before we get started, I would like to say I have just spent over a month reading various books and articles and things like that about the Iran-Iraq war to include looking at the child victims of poison gas attacks. This research was by far worse for PragerU. It is just so bad. When you start researching organizations like this, and you know the podcast that I did where we went into college conservative movements and there's a reason we didn't get into prager you and you're you're going to get into that because it's it's not actually a real university um right it brings

you to a dark place when you have to spend a lot of time immersing yourself into these organizations and trying to you know identify why they think the way they do. And it's it it hurts the soul. Right. It's a lot like so on lefty Twitter, we we get rid of people by and like laugh them off by calling them tankies. Right. I don't know what you call people that prescribe to things like PragerU likes to talk about. I guess maybe we'll come up with a nickname for them by the end of the episode. But you've probably seen PragerU, even if you didn't realize it when you saw it. The videos are shared around Facebook, Twitter, whatever weird garbage machine you use to argue strangers on the Internet. Their videos are on there. Their videos normally include people who at first glance look incredibly reputable.

Their videos normally include people who at first glance look incredibly reputable. This includes PhDs. This includes noted experts in some fields and chair people of things like the American Battle Monument Commission. This all leads to an air of legitimacy. Like at first glance, because I know when I when I watched my first video and we'll talk about that video in a little bit. I was like, oh, this is kind of cool. Yeah, and that's – so these guys – and that's one of the things that has made them I think a lot more dangerous than some of the other conservative movement groups like the Turning Point USAs and the Liberty Hangouts is they do present themselves in a manner that if you're not discerning and you're not really paying attention to what you're listening to, it's easy to get caught up in what they're saying and take it as legitimate, unbiased fact. Charlie Kirk and Jack Posobiec and all them, they don't – Kirk Schlichter.

They don't for a single second pretend that they're being unbiased in their reporting, whatever you want to call it. These guys, PragerU, does a – they do a very good job of hiding maybe their true nefarious intentions. Right. They make you work to prove them wrong, which is one of those things like they have probably thousands of videos now. I don't know. They have a lot.

And we're going to spend well over an hour here just talking about a handful of them. That's kind of, I assume that's their that's kind of their operating theory is like, well, you can't prove all of us wrong because there's literally so many of us and they don't cite anything. There's very little citations. The one the one video that did have citations on it is the one good video in the entire library, which we will go at length about how the author ended up there. But they make you work to prove them wrong, and they do very little to make people who maybe are on the fence about it. They don't have anything for them to go off of other than what they say, which is good

for a lot of people because they don't want to do the extra work. So they'll just take it at face value. It's why Dinesh D'Souza is a critically acclaimed, in some circles, author. Because nobody's going to put the research, minus Kevin Krause, Kevin Kruse, whatever his name is, to prove him wrong. He speaks from a position of authority, and people just swallow it. from a position of authority and people just swallow it. And their, their Twitter exchanges have kind of shown that getting in an argument with Dinesh D'Souza is a lot like,

I mean, I don't have children, but I watch YouTube videos a lot. And I've noticed it's a lot like trying to tell like a two year old at the can of a cookie. No matter how rational you are, they're still just going to scream at you. And that's effectively this in a nutshell.

I guess we could just wrap up and stop the interview. That's about it. Yeah. So with this air of legitimacy during the video, you can normally see a speaker. Sometimes there's just moving charts, depending if they can't get a speaker that's worth a shit. There's quick moving graphs, maps and charts and things like that that just move around really fast you don't get really a whole bunch of time to um to look at

them and that's kind of the whole thing the videos only last like at most about five and a half minutes um and these aren't your normal youtube videos either according to Prager himself, each video costs around $20,000 to $30,000 to make, and I have no idea how. Yeah, they're not, they're not, I mean, this isn't CGI. This isn't the newest installment of Avatar. Their videos are very basic in terms of production value. For them to cost $20,000, $30,000 leads me to believe that they are definitely cooking the books in order to turn a profit. They are hiding their true value from the tax man. Yeah. And you know, like, uh, when I was watching these videos, especially with a lot of them, I don't mean to be like

super dramatic or anything, but I know of several, um, how do you want to call it? Low budget organizations that make videos that are significantly more polished and things like that uh like isis and and they don't they probably don't spend thirty thousand dollars per video um but you know it's it's probably like what you said it's the money laundering scheme which is kind of perfect uh yeah it's only when you look a little deeper deeper in this that uh some guys you see are uh even with the impressive academic backgrounds i talked about are just outright garbage monsters uh but but before we get to those presenters we have talked about the man himself uh the man the myth the legend the guy who kind of looks like

mashed potatoes come to life, Dennis Prager. He was born to an upper-class family in New York City in 1948. He and his family were raised in the world of modern Orthodox Judaism and he attended a local yeshiva in Flatbush before going off to college where he would study history

and Middle Eastern studies. This would be the last bit of academia he would take part in. This is despite the fact that on multiple occasions he went back to school for his master's degree before dropping out or failing each time. Yeah, and I have a master's degree. It's not that hard. Yeah, and I'm starting to feel like this is where

he probably developed his hatred for the university system because he couldn't fucking pass. Yeah. During his studies, he traveled to the Soviet Union to meet and interview Soviet Jews about their lives behind the Iron Curtain. This would heavily impact him,

as Prager would become a hardline Zionist anti-communist during this time. And I'm not, I know I'm kind of like charting his life experience here. You know, the Soviets did to the Jews is awful. I'm not minimizing that at all, but I'm not here to talk about that. He would eventually become

an in-demand speaker on the subject, which would actually be his only paying job for quite a while. It isn't too bad, right? Well, like a lot of things in this podcast, it's not too bad. You just got to wait like five seconds. It is around this time that Prager

began his screeching hard right turn in his religious beliefs and his politics. In 1976, he managed to land his first full-time job. Congratulations, guy. It only took you like 10 years. That's about a solid decade after he graduated. You know, the same people that he likes to malign nowadays for not being able to find a job when he graduates. Goddamn millennials. Why can't you be like me and tour around and beg people for money?

Yeah, I'd like to know where he got the money to do these studies to the Soviet Union. Yeah, I imagine during that point in time, I know things were a lot different back then, but there was probably always somebody willing to throw money at someone they knew would make the Soviets look bad. It's the Cold War. He came from a religious background. Those two things combined always equal like a blank check.

Which we will get into as we get into who backs PragerU. Yeah. So the full-time job was with the Brandis Barden Institute, during which time he began giving firebrand speeches declaring secularism and blaming it for the downfall of society. Man, and this is in the 70s.

He didn't even see that. I think at this point he's just speaking about how much he hates hippies because there's like there's nothing. I don't know what else he'd be speaking about. To be fair, I can't necessarily blame him for hating hippies because hippies beget boomers and boomers can fuck off and die. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, my mom was a hippie, but she wasn't one of the ones that turned into a shitty boomer. She's just still a hippie. Like, she's just a 65-year-old lady who likes to really smoke weed and listen to, like, Jefferson Starship and shit.

Is your mom single? No, she's married to another hippie. Okay. She actually ended up marrying a vietnam veteran who got arrested while in a vietnam veterans for peace rally okay got it all right yeah solid dude uh he he was soon hired by kabc it was a local am radio station out of la to talk about religion that was the only reason why they hired him but but he would not stick to his lane for that long.

It was around now that he began to equate any kind of criticism towards the state of Israel to anti-Semitism, which we'll talk about a little later. Also, it's in a lot of his videos. At one point, in one of the videos, which we don't go in depth in because we have so many other ones to talk about, about possible war crimes in Gaza, he calls the Israeli Defense Force the most moral army in the world. Which is definitely true. Yeah, that's 100% true. If I say anything else, I'll probably get banned from iTunes.

Yes. uh prager is uh also notable for having a history of being extremely homophobic despite denying it about every 10 seconds in his articles and radio shows it's one of those it's like one of those things like i'm not being racist and then like you look over your shoulder once or twice like if you have to do that you're being racist yeah and so his his his claims of not being homophobic I think would have a lot more legitimacy if nobody actually watched any of the videos and if he didn't take money from Dan and Ferris Wilkes. So this is who donates more than I think 75 percent of PragerU's incoming revenue. Seventy five percent of PragerU's incoming revenue. If you don't know who Dan and Ferris Wilkes are, they are known as the Wilkes brothers. They are American fossil fuel industry businessmen.

Ferris Wilkes, the more prolific of the two with in regards to having a social media or not necessarily social media, but having a discernible background. He's a former pastor of the Assembly of the Yahweh Seventh Day, which if you don't know who they are, and I didn't until I researched him, so don't feel bad, but they are a conservative Messianic Israelite congregation that takes a literal approach to the Bible, considering it historically and scientifically accurate, and they consider homosexual sex and abortion crime so these are the kind of people that would like to prosecute and put to death homosexuals so prager taking money from them and also at the same time saying i'm not homophobic doesn't exactly hold a lot of weight yeah yeah and he goes it he says he's not homophobic. Then he writes some of the most homophobic shit you could possibly, like even without like horrible, disgusting evangelical money. Like he is, he does enough on his own to be considered homophobic.

So he has claimed on his shows that the legalization of gay marriage is a greater threat to America than economic depression. Those goddamn gays are bringing down the economy. Yeah. With them spending all their money on Lycra pants and gold lame. He also claims that this is because legalizing gay marriage will redefine the concept of gender itself. Which is interesting that he is he's so backward and everything he does, but he also recognizes that gender is a spectrum. So he's very progressive, actually. Yeah, he's accidentally progressive.

He is also credited with writing a 1993 titled Judaism Sexual Revolution. Why Judaism Rejected Homosexuality. Oh, man, this one's a gem. He writes, quote, Judaism cannot make peace with homosexuality because homosexuality denies many of Judaism's fundamental principles. It denies life. It denies God's expressed desire that men and women cohabit. And it denies the root structure that Judaism wishes for all of mankind. The family.

Nothing about that homophobic at all. That's just a normal conversation, right? That is very prototypical. Normal. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Not saying I'm homophobic.

I'm just saying they're bringing down the economy. You know, I'm not saying I'm homophobic, but a man and a man cannot be a family. I'm sorry. Yeah, they can't love each other. Nope. Can't raise a child. Can't, you know, cook dinner and get into arguments over who gets to watch what on TV tonight. They are completely ruining the idea of the family.

Yeah. I know what you're thinking. Well, at least he isn't too worried about butt stuff. Like, you know, he's not saying, like, homox is a sin, like you hear from a lot of people. But he quickly proved himself wrong. He also said that the typical lesbian has fewer than 10 lovers. The typical male homosexual has over 500. In case you were thinking that he mellowed out later in life, you'd be very, very wrong.

He wrote about how gay rights would lead to fascism in America and that colleges are actively trying to recruit students into the cult of bisexuality. Those are his words, the cult of bisexuality. What would a cult revolving around bisexuality look like? Would it just be a bunch of people jerking each other off and whatever means jerking off is occurring? I think it rolls right into his idea of

just uh gay dudes whole life revolving around fucking like there's just no time for anything else everything is fetishized like i mean if that's being in a cult call me david koresh because i'm all in i mean most cults are like that uh they eventually all lead to fucking but normally just group sex all the time yeah yeah normally afterwards you have to die though so that's like the downside i think if i had 500 sexual partners i would be ready to die i think it'd be like okay i've i've peaked both physically and sexually i'm done his opinions on what straight people are doing in their bedrooms is not any better in an article titled when a woman isn't in the mood part two.

That's right. It's a fucking sequel. And sequels are always worse than the original. So you have to only imagine how bad this is. Yeah. It's the gritty reboot because it's pretty much all about marital rape. He gives eight reasons why women should submit to having sex with their husbands, even when they're not in the mood.

That's right. Fellas, marital rape doesn't exist and it isn't your fault. Your wife is sickened by your touch yeah he could have basically summed up this entire uh eight points with one point women if you don't want to have sex with your husband you should consent because likely you will be murdered uh according to dennis brager if you don't yeah uh instead he says childhood trauma is one of the myriad of reasons that women try to get out of sex. By the way, if you take this advice by constantly pressuring your wife and having sex as opposed to trying to, quote, get her in the mood,

together the relationship would probably end in resentment, divorce, and a prison sentence because this is illegal. He effectively, he says without saying it that marital rape does not exist. Because that's the only thing you can take away from this. And then, of course, he has the hot conservative take that only forcible rapes are real rapes. So we hear the dog whistle, Dennis. Yeah, there's no hiding what he's trying to get around here.

And this is kind of something typical to the more nefarious sectors of Christianity in that a woman is completely subservient to her husband slippery slope that allows men to justify, well, she didn't actually say no. And it's a dangerous line of thought that men have used for years to justify being complete fucking scumbags. Right. And coming out of the Orthodox Judaism community, he's definitely familiar with the same attitudes as that. Especially in the enclaves in New that um they have a lot especially in the uh the enclaves in in new york they have a pretty long uh history and some pretty disgusting practices when it comes to women uh like marital rape uh not letting people get divorced shit like that yeah it's effectively uh i i get why the evangelicals like them so much.

Prager's creepiness reached its height when he wrote an article that was horribly titled the Sandusky abuse to Sandusky abused children. NCAA abuses history. Jerry Sandusky trial and scandal at Penn State. Jerry Sandusky was an assistant football coach who abused countless young boys in the school to include in the football shower room. And there is significant evidence pointing to the fact that the school knew about it the whole time. It was an institutional thing. The head coach of the team, Joe Paterno, who is fortunately rotting in hell right now, there's credible evidence that he knew about it and he reported it to school administration. And this was not a one-man operation. This was something that was clearly known throughout the school and definitely swept under the rug.

Yeah, yeah. And it's kind of the same things pretty much happening in Michigan State right now with the Larry Nassar thing. The NCAA is disgusting and should probably die. So his main point for this article is that he is attacking the NCAA for stripping Penn State of their football wins in the aftermath of covering up rampant child rape. wins in the aftermath of covering up rampant child rape it so with without getting too esoteric about the ncaa and and sports ball uh record keeping whatever it's it's not an illogical argument to make that the ncaa should not um how do I put this without coming across horrible? So like, okay, imagine a football team goes 16-0, and that is a good thing. But it turns out their coach is a horrible human. It doesn't negate what those players did to achieve that record. So I can understand the point of saying the NCAA shouldn't change shouldn't, uh, change historical records as supporting

teams because of the actions of their coach. But that's not necessarily the argument I'd want to make, uh, in defending Sandusky, I guess. Like, I don't, I don't think that I'm willing to put my neck out on the line to say, well, yeah, what Sandusky did is wrong, but what the NCAA is doing is really wrong. Right. That's, that's a bit much. Because I don't think anybody can justify child abuse and homosexual abuse in any way.

Yeah, I mean, because taking away football wins is definitely worse than raping children. It's equatable, yes. Yeah, definitely. He accused the NCAA of trying to rewrite history and then also went off on a separate rant how the evil libs in California were rewriting history by including minorities in local history. It was a weird episode. Most of the creepiness came with how callous he was towards rape victims, thus proving that he was not one of those touchy feely lefties who are controlled by emotion. For those who believe this to be an exaggeration, the article includes this paragraph. Quote,

The lesson the NCAA is teaching young people that history and truth do not matter. If enough powerful people don't want them to matter, it can be as injurious to society as a cover-up to the victims of Sandusky. Yep. Again, a team's sports record is completely analogous

to being raped. Yeah. Totally. Yep. I don a team's sports record is completely analogous to being raped. Totally. Yep. I don't see the difference. For people who don't understand our sense of humor, we're being fascist. He's an awful person. episode at some point but the weight that we as a society give to sports in general it really kind of feeds into where this guy gets off saying shit like this like sports doesn't really matter and for this guy to go even further out on the whim of sports do matter to saying well that being a victim of rape is analogous to a sports team having their record changed uh really shows how far down the creek we've gone of sports influencing us way more than we probably should oh i mean for for sure i i record an episode with robert evans on behind the bastards and uh pat tillman and we talked about that a little bit too

and uh you know compare that with like um some people not buying shoes because a guy who plays a sport, a fucking sports game upset you with his political opinions or like, uh, claiming, uh, uh, that the city is inferior to another cause their team sucks. Like there's other reasons why that city probably sucks. It's weird that brands and,

and sports teams have become our national identity, which I'm sure that that's completely healthy for society. Nothing bad's ever going to come of that. Yeah. So I could probably make an entire episode about how big of a terrible piece of shit Dennis Prager is, as I said, but there's a different show out there for that. Maybe one day they'll do it.

Maybe there's more than one. I outlined Prager briefly to show that Prager and his fake university are not operating in good faith. They're not coming from the realm of believability. And they don't mean to. uh to our show if he stuck to the right wing fringes and blamed everything on the leftist and talking about how income and talking about how income inequality is actually a good thing those those are both things he's totally done but what brings us to this fake university and and and what brings us to talking about prager is these terrible videos regarding history um unlike yeah yeah it's weird because it seems like it's pretty common that,

for now anyway, it's common now that people can try to bring what I always thought, and I assume you always thought, was pretty well-known elementary concepts of history into the political arena. I don't remember seeing that as often as I see it now. Yeah, the politicization of history into the political arena. I don't remember seeing that as often as I see it now. Yeah, the politicization of history. Well, I mean, what's that famous George Orwell quote from 1984? He controls the past, controls the present. Who controls the future?

Something like that, yeah. It goes along those lines, but it seems that it is becoming more common that people are trying to change the narrative around relatively straightforward historical events to try to put forth an agenda that may not be in complete good faith. Yeah. And I mean, you had, like we talked about Dinesh D'Souza, he writes things that people consider history books and makes documentaries about things that people consider history. He's not a historian. And these people will go on TV shows and on social media and argue with actual historians. And I mean, there are plenty of problematic historians, one of whom we'll talk about. A personal favorite of mine who's incredibly problematic is John Keegan.

There can be times when historians are problematic, but you also accept the fact they're probably an expert in their field and that's like something you have to cross you have to cross that bridge if you're ever going to write a fucking paper and it sucks sometimes um but the people that he brings on aren't like that they're they're just incredibly problematic in their uh their practice of history like even their historical opinions and things they talk about are demonstrably wrong. These aren't people who are really good historians,

but also have like a shitty personal life. These are just people who are shitty historians who may trip their dick into success. And he now has an empire based on them. Yeah, I mean, on the homepage of PragerU, one of the people outlined or highlighted i guess for a video he created is tucker carlson so that should tell you the level

of intellectual honesty they're operating with right you you're taking the talking heads from right-wing media and from some mainstream right-wing right-wing media to some incredibly fringy shit and you're giving them an aura of legitimacy by putting i understand prairie u is not a university but uh during uh during my research i discovered a lot of people don't understand they're not a university because i don't know about you but i thought there was some legal definition of university you had to make in order to have that name, but apparently there isn't. Yeah, and so I have to imagine there is because it's the reason some schools are called like Boston College versus Boston University. Universities, I thought, were schools run by a state or at least in some way federally funded through the state.

The University of Massachusetts is considered a state, uh, or at least in some way, federally funded through the state, you know, the university of Massachusetts is, you know, it considered a state school. It's why they don't call it Massachusetts college. Um, and I have to wonder if that's why, and I, and I noticed this when I was kind of doing a little background on them. Um, most of the time they only refer to themselves as Prager, Prager U, but on their homepage, if you go to the bottom, it says in very, very small letters, Prager University is not an accredited academic institution and does not offer certifications or diplomas. But it is a place where you are free to learn. They throw that in there to be like, oh, come on. You're just being a cunt now. Yeah, yeah.

And maybe that's part of their deflection tactics i know like their web address prager you not prager university it's not like dot edu um right but in some places they also do call themselves university which maybe that's how they get around that's not their legal name i don't know yeah um but there's a lot of people who assuming the same thing as i but they don't uh they don't look into it as much they assume well a university can't be saying anything that's that's crazy well it's not the case uh and that's kind of their goal so uh pray to pray for you uh prager you started in 2009 uh despite the fact that he named that, like we said, it's not a university, though it does manage to cling to a nonprofit status somehow.

Nor does it teach any classes, issue any degrees or certificates or employ any actual teachers. Its main medium of reaching the audience is instead through tightly produced five minute long YouTube videos. And man, are there a lot of fucking videos. is instead through tightly produced five minute long YouTube videos. And man, are there a lot of fucking videos. Their motto is wonderfully enough and a little bit confusing is undoing the damage of university five minutes at a time. Yeah.

It seems like they, they, they're modeling themselves to be like an alternative to actual university as if, you know, the best way to receive education is through five minute youtube videos and not you know four to seven to ten years of actual studying yeah you know if we would definitely have cancer cured if they just like watched five minute long

youtube videos about how vaccines cause autism uh instead of going to med school that would probably wrap this whole thing up pretty tightly. No. So I know what you're, what we're about to get into here. It's a sample platter of video titles from the front page of the YouTube channel. So, I'm not going to talk about all these videos,

but I'm just telling you the title to understand what we're talking about here. If you haven't already picked it up by how big of a piece of shit Dennis Prager is. What is wrong with government and health care? Public union? Public enemy? Who needs feminism? American media?

Soviet tactics? And if you hate poverty, you should love capitalism. So you could see what they're trying to, if you're trying to pick up what they're putting down here. All right. So there's a good chance you ran into one, if not all of these videos on Facebook, because that's where I first found it. And now if you're me, it seems like they have an endless stream of ads on YouTube. Like I literally cannot fucking watch a YouTube video without seeing a PragerU ad. not fucking watch a YouTube video without seeing a pager you add. Yeah. And that's, that's a lesson that a young, a young buck like you needs to learn is that when you're going and searching for these

horrible right-wing organizations, always do it in private mode, uh, or incognito mode, which is also how you should watch all of your porn. Otherwise you will, well, apparently not. Well, um, but yeah, that's how I avoid having all of these organizations in my ads. When I did all that research is cause I, I searched for all of them in private mode, you know, and I was using Safari. So I,

I've, I have been betrayed by, by the Apple corporation. Um, shocking. Yeah. Right. That's never happened before.

Ever. Um, maybe, yeah, like I got caught in some hell world algorithm that just only spits prager u videos at me um i don't know i i just doomed myself forever to deal with that after this episode uh which brings us to the videos uh let's look at the first one all right so i won't be playing any of these videos and i won't be playing any audio clips of them because i have also

learned during my research that uh prager u is incredibly litigious and will sue the fuck out of me. So, yeah. Gotta make that money. Yeah. And, you know, as gracious as I am for the donations that keep this show going, I cannot afford a lawsuit from them. So, sorry, guys. Just YouTube them. I'll put the links if you really hate yourself and you want to watch them.

The first video I found is called Why Did America Fight the Vietnam War? The host is a guy named Victor Davis Hanson. He is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institute at Stanford University. And before I dive into the video himself, let's talk about the host. He was just a fucking ghoul of a human being. Hanson is a classics professor at California State University, a fellow at the Hoover Institute, like I said,

a best-selling author, and he was on the American Battle Monuments Commission, being directly appointed by the president. He is also a writer for the National Review. Which is a very legitimate organization. Yes. That president he worked for is George W.

Bush. Let me know if you're kind of catching up where we're going with this. His first book was titled Carnage and Culture. It's a little more than a cherry-picked love story for the superiority of Western culture over everybody else. Post-9-11, he used his book to tell anybody who would listen how we'd obviously overcome our new savage enemy. And thankfully, that happened in quick order, and it hasn't taken 20 years, right?

He was also an ardent supporter of the invasion of Iraq, a position of which he has not backed down from. Because as time has gone on, it's definitely been proven that the Iraq war was definitely, definitely not illegal and definitely just. He also said that, quote, Bush's tenure was without corruption. I don't understand how – like so I can see spinning Bush's administration in his eight years as a positive if you agree with some of the things that he did. But this is just blatant whitewashing of Bush's tenure. How can – I don't – these people don't operate without any sense of, I guess is the best way to put it. They are willing to lie. The Ben Shapiros, the Charlie Kirks, all these people, they're willing to lie and know that they're lying and not even think twice about doing it. That's why I think this particular guy is so problematic to me.

Because what he says, I do not believe he thinks he is lying. to me because what he says i do not believe he thinks he is lying and that that's an issue for somebody in a higher learning uh you know professorial position like he's in um well i don't think he thinks he's lying he's definitely lying yeah and that's the fact that he works for an accredited institution is terrifying yeah yeah and he's considered an expert in classics but we're not talking about classics but that doesn't stop him from talking right that's another thing he's like the jordan peterson of history uh he's not he he's a he's a classics professor that's what he's good at like uh my main focus is european history if i talk about anything else it requires a fair amount of research uh because i didn't fucking study it but here he here he is having some hot takes in a five-minute long vietnam video

it's gross um he also uh loves him some donald rumsfeld uh comparing him to george marshall who was the u.s secretary of state during world war ii um he's also said there's no overt racism in the 21st century. Just go on. There's nothing to say about that because anything we say will just be redundant at this point. Have you ever heard of the Gates Affair? Vaguely. So the Gates Affair was when a

Harvard professor by the name of Henry Louis Gates was in his own home and cops busted in and arrested him thinking he broke into the place. Yeah. And this was one of the actual few points in the Obama administration where you kind of wondered if he was doing the right thing, because that was that resulted in the beer summit. Right. I believe so. Yeah, that was poorly conceived. was poorly conceived this is i think this second episode in a row i've had to directly quote a dave chapelle joke because he literally made a fucking joke about this before it happened i don't know about if you ever listened to a stand-up but way back in the day i think i first listened to it in high school or middle school uh he was telling a joke about a guy who was arrested in his own house and the cops have him in handcuffs like wow wow, the motherfuckers hung pictures of himself

and his family all over the place. Yeah, that was killing him softly. Yeah. Hanson took this out of the cops. Well, this is in the same breath. He said racism does not exist in the 21st century. Right, because a black man definitely could not live in the brownstones of Cambridge, Mass.

No, no, clearly not. So anyway, like Prager himself, I had gone all day about this bastard. So let's get back to his video. The video clocks in at about five minutes, as per usual with PragerU videos. Hansen attempts to frame the Vietnam War like the Korean War, in that the U.S. is involved in one of many wars of the Cold War. Which, that part is, If you squint hard enough. That's true. That's definitely true.

That's about where the truth ends though. During the video. He discounts Kennedy's involvement in the war. Completely putting the majority of the escalation to LBJ. But it was Kennedy who inherited. The American involvement from Eisenhower. So he's just kind of like. Just shoving all the weight of the war.

In a president he doesn't like. seems pretty uh common with this guy uh yeah when kenny took power there's only uh 900 military advisors in vietnam by the time kenny was assassinated there's over 20 000 so he definitely started the escalation now lbj definitely escalated the war um he definitely escalated the war that there's no uh there's no uh argument to that but to say kennedy did not it is facetious uh he also blames the entrance of the u.s into the war on quote communist aggression uh and now if you just accept the communist aggression as north on south violence kind of true. The South is also guilty of some of that.

But he also pretends the Gulf of Tonkin incident simply never happened. Sorry, you're saying something. Yeah, I was gonna say that's like that's like saying the reason the US got involved in the Pacific theater for World War Two is because it is ignoring Pearl Harbor. To say that the Gulf of Tonkin incident never happened or to ignore its significance in our role in Vietnam is dangerous in that it's very revisionist. Right. And it's ignoring the fact that we've all come to the conclusion, the Navy's come to the conclusion, the Gulf of Tonkin incident simply never happened. Like it was all made up. But that makes the U.S. look bad. Therefore, he didn was all made up. Um, but that makes the U S look bad. Therefore he didn't talk about it. Um,

he also uses this, the common refrain that you actually hear a lot nowadays. Um, and points out that, uh, quote commanders had more restrictions on them than prior wars. He's effectively, uh,

uh, pleading the case that if soldiers were just let loose they would totally win the war uh which is patently false honestly especially when it comes to vietnam it's patently false uh the u.s commanders would eventually be able to invade several other countries in pursuit of enemy soldiers and american forces would drop millions and uh of more tons of bombs on vietnam they did through all theaters of World War II combined. So there wasn't a lot of strings attached to these guys. But the only string attached was like, don't nuke somebody.

Yeah, the ROE for Vietnam was essentially non-existent if you compare it to what modern-day U.S. forces and NATO forces are held to. modern day US forces and NATO forces are held to. If you've ever engaged with anybody who fought in the Vietnam War, you would realize that there was very little holding them back from doing whatever it is that they wanted to do at any given moment. And I mean, that argument in itself, and like I said, you hear a lot nowadays when it comes like Afghanistan and Iraq, but the idea that what's really making us lose the war is we're not just letting our commanders and soldiers do whatever the hell they want all the time and do awful things when like historically pretty much any power that ever does that also loses it's like maybe this is where his classics things coming into play like if we just let let

our dudes fight like fucking gangas khan we'd win but like yeah uh the the nearest thing i can think of is um the first chechen war russians get stomped um and the soviets in afghanistan killed like 10 of the entire country they still lost so like he's he's he's just arguing for for just mass murder and hoping that helps you win a war. Right. But his crowning achievement was probably when he blamed the 1960s culture for creating a less cohesive and far less conservative country than before. This is why the U.S. lost the war. That's right. He's blamed the hippies again. Again, baby boomers are the reason everything sucks, so I'm not going to disagree with him. That's right. He's blaming the hippies again. It again,

baby boomers are the reason everything sucks. So I'm not going to disagree with them. I, I sure. He also, um, and the end of the video, he declares that quote, the U S defeat in Vietnam was a political choice,

not a military necessity. Yeah. Hmm. Which is funny because the whole war wasn't a military necessity. Yeah. Which is funny because the whole war wasn't a military necessity. So how can like – Yeah. The war was not actually – God. Yeah. I mean the most I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt there is no, we were not defeated militarily.

But we also could not win militarily. it's absurd to think about in those ways there's a reason why it lasted for fucking over a decade um then he also goes on to blame the democrats for uh for everything so there's that um there's another video that's called The Truth of the Vietnam War that goes more into depth than why the Democrats were at fault for why we lost Vietnam. So through both of these videos, what is clear is that the history of the war they subscribe to is incredibly flawed. They blame the Democrats for failing to resupply Vietnam and letting it fall to the frothing communist hordes. They also somehow miraculously leave out Richard Nixon. They leave him completely blameless in both the expansion of the war, which they put in LBJ, like I said. And they also praise Nixon for the peace process that he engaged in.

This discounts one major historical point here. This discounts one major historical point here, and that is that Nixon actively sabotaged the Paris Peace Accords of 1968 in order to win a presidential election. This is not conjecture. This is historical fact and is on recording. of the Nixon committee, Anna Chenault was in close contact with Vietnam, uh, with South Vietnamese ambassador, Bo Diem, constantly telling him not to agree to anything. Um, how do we know this?

This is good. Like, obviously Nixon didn't talk about this. Well, the whole thing was caught on CIA wiretaps. Um, the CIA and Nixon definitely did not trust the South Vietnamese, South Vietnamese government and had the entire embassy and most other South Vietnamese government buildings wiretapped.

LBJ actually knew all about it and called Nixon to talk about it, for him to come clean, telling him to knock it off. The entire phone call was actually played during the Ken Byrd's Vietnam War documentary. It's an awesome documentary. You can catch it on Netflix. But during the phone call, Nixon denies everything and has no idea that he's caught on wiretaps the whole time. Well, and it's not even the wiretaps. There were handwritten notes from Nixon's chief of staff, H.R. Alderman, Haldeman, excuse me, that show Nixon trying to influence the peace talks while still a candidate. I mean his own staff documented what Nixon was doing, and it came out as part of the record-keeping rules that apply to any presidential administrations and campaigns. So him denying it flies in the face of everything

that can be proven otherwise. Right, and LBJ is caught in a shitty place because he can't go public with the information to sway the election in favor of Humphrey because it would torpedo the United States' relationship with the Vietnamese government by admitting he had every single one of their fucking buildings wiretapped. Right, yeah.

He can't exactly admit to committing a crime when trying to prevent another crime. It's actually interesting to know that that kind of happened during World War I. The Zimmerman Telegraph, the Brits were like, here, we got this, don't ask how, but everything was wiretapped because they didn't trust us. The same thing here.

Their theory is bullshit because Nixon never would have been given the chance to negotiate peace nearly 10 years later if he had already fucked up the peace process. Uh, a bonus shout out goes into Henry Kissinger, who the video completely ignores. Uh, Kissinger was simultaneously working towards peace with LBJ while feeding information to Nixon so he could wreck the peace talks. Um, so like, and that's kind of their modus operandi we already talked about that is they make these videos

so short and so like they don't talk about well there's they don't say like what I say at the end of my episode like there's so much more to this we had to cut out though you'll never catch them saying that it's like this whole video is the history let's just stop there and move on

well and they're the perfect medium for the type of people that. It's like this whole video is the history. Let's just stop there and move on. Well, and they're the perfect medium for the type of people who consume most of their knowledge through social media these days because they speak from a position of authority. Their large number of page views and video views kind of begets more page views and video views because if you see a video with 30 views, you're going to question its legitimacy. If you see a video with over 5 million views, you're going to think, okay, well, people wouldn't watch this if it was bullshit. learning about that they are willing to subject themselves to these five minute videos and think that constitutes um you know an in-depth research into the subject so they've i have to give them credit they realize that people don't like to kind of do their own research and have really uh what's the word i'm looking for they They've canned this historical knowledge, using air quotes here, packaged it, and given themselves the ability to not be questioned for what they're putting out. Right.

They're like a weird video version of a listicle. Because everybody wants their information very easily acceptable, but also not that labor intensive and very quick, like a five minute video, though, admittedly, when we both tried to watch these videos and I actually resorted, resorted to the show notes they normally put in there in their comments because their five minute video just feel like a fucking eternity.

And I think that's partly because you, you actually know what they're talking about. And it's probably painful for you to listen to someone present something in such a wrong way for you to have to sit through the whole thing. It hurts, honestly. Because I've had a couple professors over my years in college who have said things I disagree with, like opinion-based. things I disagree with, like opinion-based. But I have never heard so much factually incorrect things being bandied about as being like

legitimate knowledge. It's impressive. It's like if the shitty racist uncle from your Facebook feed had a YouTube video following in the billions. So we're going to give you a little bit of a palate cleanser.

Because I know who my guest is today, we're going to move on to baseball history because I know Justin's a huge baseball fan so I get to piss him off at a personal level now. Great. Awesome. So of course the only video they have on racism is baseball and how it doesn't exist.

There's actually a video defending Ty Cobb. Now, Ty Cobb, I know a lot about personally because I'm from Detroit. I'm a Detroit Tigers fan. Ty Cobb was a Detroit Tigers legend. But Ty Cobb is also a well-known asshole of baseball history and a virulent racist. The video points

to, so the video disputes this. They point to accounts of his teammates who said, well, I never saw him be racist. It should be noted that his teammates were all mostly southern white dudes and they're all about one generation removed from fighting for the confederacy uh so take their opinions with great assault yeah and like i i don't know if you played sports growing up but when you're on a

sports team if a player is really good a lot of times you're willing to either overlook or not exactly call attention to the fact that they're a fucking prick. But also, it's not surprising to me that a bunch of white people who are most likely racist did not call out someone else who was a lot more open with his racism. I mean, it's 2018 and that still happens. This is 1907. Yeah, you have baseball players now who have a well-documented social media history of, like, dropping N-bombs and calling people faggots, and their teammates

are like, well, he's really good at throwing a baseball. Maybe we shouldn't worry about what he does personally when on the field he's really good at what he does. Like we talked about earlier, apparently it's not a new concept that people are willing to overlook a lot

of awful shit if you're good at throwing a ball. This always blew my mind. This story is ridiculous. Yeah. So in 1907, Cobb beat the shit out of a black guy who dared to walk through fresh asphalt near him. In another incident while he was playing, someone was heckling him mercilessly.

And this went on for most of the game. He did nothing the whole time, as he normally didn't. Heckling is common in sports now. Apparently, it was much more active and violent back then. Then the guy called him, I'm not going to say the word, but he called him a half-N-word. going to say the word but he called him a half n-word um which uh offended Cobb to the point that he stopped playing baseball leapt over the the retaining wall and began to assault the fan um mercilessly just punching the dog shit out of him had hand him like he was on top of the dude just raining blows on him uh there's a good reason why he was winning that fight however

because the man a guy named Claude Locker i might be pronouncing that wrong had no fucking hands so would you say that he would be unable to throw hands if the situation presented itself i see what you did there ah uh so surrounding fans knew that claude had no hands and begged for Cobb to stop because once again, the man had no fucking hands like he's beating a handicapped person to Cobb replied, quote, I don't give a fuck if he has no feet. I'm sorry. I know this is horrible, but. In a very slapstick kind of way, it's kind of funny. very slapstick kind of way. It's kind of funny.

You can just imagine like vaudeville music's playing in the background the whole time while he's just pounding this poor handicapped guy. So, I mean, again, the, the, the reason why I brought that up, the whole video was that it was discounting the idea that Ty cop could

possibly be a prick or a racist, which is kind of a unique video to make of all the videos to make you pick out like the one guy in baseball history that is like renowned for being a racist just say well he wasn't a racist why there's nothing there's nothing to be gained from releasing this video unless you're trying to rewrite history so that your idols aren't who they actually were right right there's no like good reason for this video to ever exist and there's actually a book on the subject i forget what the book's called but uh it's kind of its point is that he wasn't as bad as i made made him sound

that he was um which is weird that that book exists, but it does exist. And that's, that's probably why the video was made is as it was out at the same time as the book. But I mean, the book is hundreds of pages long and I don't need to read it because when you do things like that,

I don't care what else you do, like in your life that you're a piece of shit and a racist. Right. And you don't have to. So I'm, I'm a Red Sox fan and the Red Sox are, are very well known for having a very not a woke past. Um, no. Yeah. The Red Sox were one of the most racist teams. Tom Yockey, who, who owned the Red Sox for a large part of their formative years in their history, is notorious and well-known for not wanting Willie Mays on his baseball team because he was black. Willie Mays is one of the greatest baseball players. Not Willie Mays, I'm sorry, Jackie Robinson. Excuse me. Jackie Robinson was one of the

greatest baseball players of all time. I can still like the Red Sox and appreciate what they're doing now and acknowledge that in their past, they were a very shitty organization that employed shitty people. You don't have to like an organization's past to appreciate what they've done. Right. And like, I'm still a Tigers fan. They paid this man for years and he's one of the best players in their history. I can accept that while still accepting he's a fucking asshole. You don't need to rehab people to accept certain things about the past.

Some people are just irredeemable pieces of shit. And now with that palate cleanser out of the way, we get to what is my personal favorite video on uh prager you because it is the most ridiculous that i think i have ever seen um and it is titled if you love freedom thank the british empire because i know when i think of freedom i think of monarchy just fuck fuck me. Little background. Justin is brutally hungover, which is great because I was actually hungover a couple episodes ago and it was just fucking miserable.

Yeah, if you guys want a little behind the scenes, I just sent Joe a message on the Skype chat as we're talking over Skype audio saying that if he hears me take off at some point it's because i'm going to be violently puking so for the listeners if you hear me take off at some point and joe stutter through uh my not being here it's because i'm puking that's going to be that's going to be the show card for this is it is that text okay so we don't really have to get into how horrible this video is, but we will anyway because that's why we're here. You can tell from the title itself.

It's not operating anything that we could consider reality. Now, I have some choice quotes from this video. Quote, the British believed the final and necessary justification of their empire was a moral one the british kept the peace they brought sound honest administration and they insisted that basic moral standards were honored wow okay so there's a lot to take in there um and you know this is another we just talked about that like they make things that are just so insanely inaccurate that a five-minute video that encompasses hundreds of years of history would take hours to completely disassemble. Because they know that nobody can do that. I didn't get all the time I needed to do this, but I picked a few things out here that are apparently ridiculous.

The video speaks of the Empire's abolition of slavery, is true they did do that in 1833 uh but this discounts the fact that they were a major driving factor in north american slave trade for hundreds of years in the first place they're the reason why it existed for the most part um you know uh like after the civil war america was never racist again because the slaves were freed. It's true. Yeah. Charlie Kirk told me that. Yeah.

Yeah. I heard it from Ben Shapiro. Oh, also, this is disregarding the fact that the slavery abolition act of 1833 did not end slavery. It was a semantic thing. It just made slaves people instead of property after which they became

indentured servants, which was still a thing. Yeah. A pickle is still a thing. Yeah. A pickle is still a cucumber. It's just got a different name. It's deep, man. Thank you. I'm really proud of that.

That came out of nowhere. I like it. They also champion the empire as some kind of bastion, beacon of moral freedom and ethics. bastion, beacon of moral freedom and ethics. This totally ignores how the British Empire engineered what might be considered a genocide of ruthless profit. And so Indian tradition called for part of the crops of every area to be taxed and the other part to be held on to. to be taxed and the other part to be held on to.

Obviously, the Indians being there forever understood their weather patterns and knew that they were hit by drought and typhoon and sometimes crops failed. That second part would turn into something that resembled a strategic reserve of food in case there's a famine, as they hit pretty regularly. in case there's a famine, as they hit pretty regularly. When the British learned this, they jacked the taxes up by 50% in order to pry into the reserves that the villagers were keeping. So by 1770, when the rains did not come, causing the crops to fail, it led to the deaths of 10 million people. Throughout the famine, the British East India Company never eased off on the new taxes.

Oh wait, it gets worse, because that's our tagline now i think i think it fits um fast forward to the age of churchill 1940s everybody likes to champion churchill this is a thing that happened not that long ago on twitter uh somebody famous was holding um churchill up as uh the paragon of of morality and leadership. So can we sidebar for a second? Of course. Of course. Is it just me or is General Mattis starting to get the Churchill treatment where he looks really good on paper, but the more you get into him and you get into his background, the outer skin starts to rot away a bit?

I've always been kind of in that boat when it comes to the weird worship, like the cult that surrounds him. I mean, even before he got into office as Secretary of Defense, he was involved in fucking fraud and scheming and pyramid scheme type shit after he retired. So the dude has his issues.

Yeah, and I think it's very similar to Churchill where the deification of Mattis is centered around the fact that he can produce a really good quote, but there's not a lot of substance behind a quote. And I think that's Churchill too. Churchill had some great quotes that if you take them solely in the context they're presented as a quote, makes them sound like a really great guy.

But when you look at the deeper thought process and a lot of the things that he did, he's not, you know, he's more than just the sum of his quotes. Yeah. And outside of the small bubble of World War II, he is by far one of the worst people in history. I mean, on the military side, he came up with a plan to invade Gallipoli in World War I. He's a fucking idiot.

Right. Also during, I mean, and I think the British Parliament knew this because immediately following World War II, he was voted office. He was no longer prime minister. So when he was prime minister during World War II, once again, India was hit by a famine. Also remember that this is a time of total war.

All these colonies are being churned up to produce soldiers and food crops for the war effort. So the supply chain was incredibly important, and it led to India being heavily guarded as the British Empire's breadbasket, as it kind of was throughout history. The rice fields fueled the empire's armies in Europe, Africa, and Asia, so so many crops were actually taken from India

that the army got a surplus, even beyond all of their rationing needs. Another famine hit. Churchill, then prime minister, did absolutely nothing to alleviate the suffering of the Indian people. Why? Because he's a fucking racist. And this isn't conjecture. He said as much. When he was begged to send relief to India.

He said, quote, I hate Indians. They're beastly people with a beastly religion. The famine was their own fault for breeding like rabbits. Solid. Yeah. Instead of diverting supplies from military surplus, he actually began pulling more supplies away from India. When he received a telegram again begging for relief uh saying people were dying and people were resorting to cannibalism churchill said quote if it's so bad then why hasn't gandhi died yet yeah yeah and this is like at the same time when uh the indian independence movement's going on so that's how and he fucking hates Gandhi for it. Millions of people would end up dying for his inaction.

But that's just regular racism, right? Well, I got some bad news for you. They did awful shit to white people, too. Hopefully no ears picked up and suddenly get more interested. Which brings us to the modern invention of the concentration camp.

Many people don't know, but the British and the white South Africans actually fought two wars. And the British lost the first war. And in the second war, they decided to resort to throwing pretty much every South African boer in a concentration camp during the Second Boer War. They were first constructed in 1900 in order to try to sap the morale and life of the Boer resistance to the British occupation of South Africa. Instead of being full of fighters, the camps were full of women and children that the fighters left

at home. There's actually two separate camps, because this is South Africa we're talking about. There's a camp for blacks and a camp for whites. The camp for blacks was actually much, much worse, as you can imagine. Shocking. Yeah, they weren't yeah they weren't even actually given tents um they were just like thrown in a camp and expected to make it work um the camps were brutal the white prisoners were given tents that quickly fell

apart when subjected and when leaving the inhabitants to be battered by the elements there's no hospitals and any way for the sick or injured to receive care for diseases like typhoid measles and dysentery that swept through the population killing thousands in a few short years tens of thousands of civilians would die in the camp uh the video goes out of its way to like not say a single goddamn solitary word about ireland um which the brit British have done so many awful things to the people of Ireland that I honestly don't even have time to get into it. That's a whole other episode. Yeah, that's a whole history

book full of shit. Not even PragerU could find a way to spin that shit. The video also ignores things like the Sykes-Picot Agreement post-World War I that divided the Middle East into the borders that we know today, that effectively created the constant Israeli-Palestinian conflict through the bumbling buttfuckery. Also, Sykes-Picot goes on to be so problematic that ISIS quoted it as a problem in a video. You know you fucked up historically when a terrorist organization can quote

your exact treaty that you fucked up on. And this is not talking about things that the Brits did in North America to the Indians, things like that. We can't talk about all the awful ways that the British Empire is terrible. Just know it's terrible. There's a reason why it doesn't really exist anymore and there's also a reason why

a lot of people revolted and fought against them there's actually a during the sepoy rebellion in in india there's a a good anecdote for how little the british cared about the people they took care of so uh they came out with a new rifle i can't remember exactly what it was a version of the infield but um the the new magazines needed to be lubed to to work because old-timey guns were gross nice and to and they had to be lubed with grease the grease is a type of fat that was made from possibly pig, possibly cow sources. While their Sepoy soldiers were Hindus and Muslims. Problematic.

Yeah, neither side could touch this fat. It's problematic. Yeah, and to make things worse, the way that the guns are designed is you had to tear the packet open with your teeth. way that the um the guns are designed is you had to tear the packet open with your teeth now um they eventually but when the when the the supplies which were the the british the british raj army uh i started to rise up uh the the british came out and said you know what you can use whatever fat you want from home to grease your gun we don't care just you know chill out uh but it was way too late and uh like tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people would die uh and then they would be crushed and the british raj would continue but yeah that's just like a small anecdote there's so they do things that are so incredibly dumb

that uh that they obviously don't know anything about the people that they're in charge of. So how does he hand wave away the undeniable destruction that happened under the British Empire's watch? He calls it benign neglect. So they just like accidentally their way into a handful of genocides, death camps and massacres of native people. Like it's it's it's absurd. I don't even know what i i so if i was to explain what benign neglect might be is like from the prager you mind is like well we looked away for a little bit uh from the administration and then all this awful shit happened and we didn't stop it which isn't the case yeah it's it's

it's uh it's letting the fox into the hen house and looking away and when all the hens are dead you're like oh i i couldn't have imagined that was going to happen by putting a fox in a hen house but here we are right right well i never would have thought that would have happened yeah and in many in most cases it's not benign neglect it's active fuckery like i can't think of a single incident that we just talked about they could be ever construed as neglect they're taking an active hand i mean the only kind of neglect i could see was the fact they let a corporation run a country for a very long time. Yeah, like the East India Trading Company is like every libertarian's wet dream. So another thing that they go on to talk about how British ethics and morals trump the day was in India.

They know a guy named Charles James james napier who is the commander chief of india at the time so the locals had a practice called sati which is widow burning uh disgusting practice uh if somebody uh somebody's husband dies you throw the woman on the funeral pyre gross not i'm not defending sadi here um but uh they they go on to um explain that napier ended the practice of sadi which one is not true it actually still happens in some places and two he ended it by hanging people um So if anybody even brought it up, people got hung. That's how they try to smash it out of existence. One problem, of course, is that Napier

is an asshole. He undoubtedly had a hand in killing thousands of Indians, if not tens of thousands. There's multiple uprisings in India during his time there as commander-in-chief. And one of them he put down brutally by saying, quote,

the best way to quiet a country is a good thrashing followed by a great kindness afterwards. Even the wildest chaps can be tamed. Yeah, that's the whole I hit you because I love you philosophy. Right, right. And he was so brutal to the Sindhi population

after the Battle of Menyi that they actually started debates in the British Parliament. Like, imagine being so awful that the British Parliament needed to sit down and have a talk about you. Sorry, I just had to throw up my mouth a little bit. Yeah, no, that's not a good look. And I mean, I get the, I just had to throw up my mouth a little bit. Yeah, no, that's not a good look. And I mean, I get the...

I actually kind of understand where PragerU started here. And that's like, well, he kind of tried to end Soddy. Like, yeah, but he ended it by hanging people. And he still killed tens of thousands of others. That's like giving an asshole credit for one good deed. It's like saying Hitler wasn't that bad because he banned public smoking yeah the trains ran on time so really we can wipe away those eight million jews and he really liked dogs uh to be fair nobody that doesn't like dogs uh can be a

good person so that's yeah i guess so what you're saying is you and Hitler agree on something. Hey, you know what? Maybe he wasn't so bad after all. You know, no one ever gives him credit. You know, no, everybody else tried, but he's the one that finally killed Hitler. You know? Uh, so, uh, it took me a second to figure that out. Sorry.

I was like, I was like, what? Oh, okay. I i get it it's good so uh i can't cover um all these videos uh there's i think there's thousands of them honestly at this point i i honestly don't know yeah i read one video per week uh and they've been around since 2009 so I'm sure someone way smarter than me could do the math yeah also so before we we stop talking about these videos we we have talked about the one video that alerted me to PragerU's existence and that is a title or a video titled was the civil war about slavery and if you haven't seen the video, uh,

you're probably expecting one of the most reductionist videos that's ever been made in the history of the world because it's from PragerU, but you'd be wrong. Um, it was published back in 2015. Um, and it was the first video I ever saw as being shared around Facebook. Um,

like probably like average, probably wherever Bales saw it. And it went viral first video I ever saw. It was being shared around Facebook. It's probably where everybody else saw it. And it went viral fast. The video's host is Colonel Ty Sedul. I might be pronouncing that wrong. He's the professor of history at West Point. So he's got some good credentials. Actually, we interviewed one of his former students for a different episode here uh so surprisingly uh the video points out that yes the civil war was absolutely about slavery

there's no ifs ands or buts about that uh the state's right argument is also true as long as you accept that the state right they're arguing over was the right to own humans as property right that always bothers me when people claim the Civil War – maybe not when they claim, but when people are like, well, the war was about state rights. It's like, okay, yes, ostensibly it was about state rights. But you have to understand that the state rights they talk about isn't about the ability to tax at the state level or gun ownership. It was literally about the state's rights to own people. So you can't really wash away and say, well, it was about state rights when the state right that was being debated

is the owning of people. Right, and the video goes on to note all the state's constitutions that succeeded talked about slavery being the reason they are succeeding. And the talks about the cornerstone speech where the vice president of the Confederacy talked about how slavery is a cornerstone of the Confederacy. So yeah, I mean, it's a convincing video, though. If you already didn't believe that the Civil War

is about slavery, one, stop listening to my show. And two, you're wrong. And no video is ever going to prove you wrong. So I know what you're thinking. What the hell is a colonel in full military uniform doing appearing on a YouTube channel that had recently compared President Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry to Nazi appeasers? That's a video that exists. It's about Iran. He had no idea who they were. So it turns out that Colonel Sadole had actually never heard of PragerU and was completely and totally unaware of their insanity prior to being contacted by them. He was doing multiple media appearances at the time. He said it was

one of 20 for an upcoming book and didn't think anything of it. And as an author, I can say that I get a lot of emails like, hey, appear on my show. Come here. I normally say yes without really looking into it because authors are thirsty motherfuckers, man. We got bills to pay. So I can identify with him. He wasn't paid for it, as I think you just told me that if you're a teacher at West Point, you can't get paid for that type of thing? Yeah, I have to imagine because I know the Hatch Act prevents people from – or not the Hatch Act, but it's the military equivalent of the Hatch Act – prevents members of the military from using their position in the military to generate funds for themselves. I can't imagine I could sell – so I sell Disney timeshare on the – not timeshare, but Disney travel plans on the side to make extra money. I can't put on my business card, you know, uh, captain Justin Rose, uh, Disney travel planner. Uh, it goes against, you know, you cannot use your position

to profit essentially. Yeah. And you know, most of the time, maybe more successful authors get paid or people, some of these actually heard of, but I've never been paid for any appearance, any, anywhere ever. But, uh, But that's pretty common, I would think. Most authors do it for exposure. He has also never been on the show ever again. So that's pretty telling. And there's obviously the UCMJ article about being involved in political activities in uniform. That's why I truly believe that he had no idea

who he was talking to. And like I said, I interviewed one of Sadul's students, Riley Dosh. She was on here to talk about the Mahmoudia rape and murder. We talked about Saduli quite a few times. She emailed him. And I was trying to get him on the show, but I think since his running with PragerU, he's he's much more thorough in his research before he goes on a show.

So he's exercising a little more discretion. He's not going to go on some leftist podcast. Yeah, probably for the best, dude. But, you know, hey, whenever you retire. But, you know, hey, whenever you retire. She told me that he actually was not too happy when he found out who PragerU was. And he did another video where he's interviewed by Dennis Prager almost immediately after the original video came out. Because this video blew up. Millions and millions and millions of people watched it in short order.

who millions and millions and millions of people watched it in short order. And in the interview, Prager is incredibly careful to keep the conversation 100% focused around the video and the responses to the video. Nothing else. Because I think he wants to keep the charade going with Seydoux as long as he can. Because he knew eventually like one of sadul's cadets or somebody else like what the fuck are you doing on prager you uh but uh he also was interviewed because stars and stripes did an article on it uh like how the fuck did a colonel end up on prager you type thing uh in the article for stars and stripes he said quote what i was

trying to do uh what i was trying to do was educate others and show how we educate train and inspire our cadets at west point i hope this helps people of all political stripes which is a good reply yeah i mean it's the diplomatic reply of saying like those assholes fucking lied to me but um you know he has a point. And I get it where he's coming from. Because this is 2015, which feels like a lifetime ago. Where there was... You could almost have dissenting opinions with other people and not get ripped apart. And in the South, for the most part, this is an incredibly unpopular historical opinion to have.

But the fact remains is he teaches people from all over the United States to become officers in the United States military. I can see where he's coming from. I mean, it's a solid backpedal answer. Fuck, how do I explain how I ended up there? Because you can't admit that you didn't know who they were. You'll look dumb. Yeah, you can't just be you didn't know who they were. You look dumb. Yeah, you can't just be like, listen, they wanted me to come on and I wanted the publicity, so here I am. Yeah.

I mean, this is all good because to me, this shows that West Point cadets get a good history education. Like, I don't know about West Point education. I just had Tom on here for the part four of our Iran Iraq war episodes. He's a ring knocker. And he and he told me time and time again, the schooling at West Point's really hard. I'll believe him because I'm a fucking idiot. I went to public schools. Sorry.

So, you know, so I will err on the side of people who actually went to school there. But it to me, it shows even if he did kind of accidentally his way onto a youtube video ran by internet fascists like it shows that west point cadets get a good history education yeah um that now that is unlike the video's comment section which holy shit if you have if you ever want to read a youtube comment section and and I'll never say this again, but go to this video on YouTube and read the comments. There's actually an entire genre of videos that popped up around this video that is like fat people, like wife beaters making rebuttal videos towards the internet, like towards the internet video that upset them directed at a Colonel from West Point.

Yeah, I have one rule in life and that is never read the comments to anything because it's never anything good and it's never anything productive yeah and you would 99 actually i'd say 100 percent of the time you'd be absolutely correct on that um this is the only time i'll ever recommend anybody reads the internet comment section um yeah and and there's a whole bunch of stuff fat sweaty people calling colonel sadul like a fucking idiot and like a libtard all sorts of other stupid shit it's it's wonderful um now i brought up this last video for a good reason um and this might be a conspiracy theory but this also um recently bellingcat um put out an article about how people end up in the alt-right and are becoming fascists in America.

Bellingcat, if you've never heard of them, are an amazing investigative journalism group. They found out things like where the missile launcher was when Russia shot down the airliner over Ukraine. They found out the identities of the Skirpal poisoners in England. They're good at their job. But they mapped out a pipeline of how people get introduced to these ideas, of something that can be looked at. If you're looking sideways, watching YouTube videos, kind of distracted like how most people do.

Nobody's normally paying super hard attention to a YouTube video. These ideas seem okay to you. A lot of the presenters in these videos lead you further down the pipeline. And that's why my theory is Prager let this video on as a recruiting tool. Because if you look at their history before or since there's never been another video like this, even approaching this, it is not only mainstream,

but fucking progressive. Yeah. So they do have another video that you could consider similar to it. And it actually, if you look at it via the metrics, it may actually be their most popular video of all time. And their website is surprisingly down right now. But they have a video titled something along the lines of like, how does the electoral college actually work? And it's incredibly nonpartisan at all. It is actually a very good informative video on how the electoral college works. Cause for a lot of people,

especially if you're voting for the first time in a national election, it's a sort of complicated, uh, process. And for all their videos, uh, it has something like 58 million views. And I think it serves the same purpose as the history or the video you're talking about in that it gives them a little bit of credibility where if that's the first video you see by them because it is an informative video, it will give you a little bit of cover in that it's not so horrible that if you say oh i watched this video by prager you people aren't gonna be like who the fuck right um so yeah i mean i i kind of get why they would pick um sadul to to play this role and especially in his uniform americans are conditioned to trust the military um and or at the suckers yeah or at the very least not along quietly as everybody everybody else trusts the military because you'll get yelled down if you don't um and that's where myself found prager you like i said i was like oh this seems like

a cool thing so i followed them for a while until I saw the bug fucking sanity of it all. Some people don't do that. I can't explain how some people operate, but I understand that people become loyal to a brand, or at least they become trustworthy to a brand. Like, well, I like PragerU, so these videos must all be real. So you dive into the rest of these videos. Let's say you hit the like like button you like this a dual video you go into a little bit further that's when you start seeing videos that argue that uh white people who sympathize with ferguson writers are worse than white

supremacists and that violence against women is largely an unsupported myth these are these are videos that exist um now a lot of people will turn that shit off. I mean, most people will, I would say, but some people don't. And PragerU feeds on those some people. They want to suck in that self-important crowd that deems themselves subject matter experts because they watched a five-minute long YouTube video

that has little to no citations. They're like Joe Rogan, effectively, without a cool sidekick in monkey dicks. Because he's horribly guilty of doing that all the time. And people have said it that much as when they fell for it. I found a pretty long thread on Reddit. I know it's a great research group.

Yeah, Reddit's definitely known for their deep uh investigative background oh yeah like the boston bombing we got them guys oh god so being from boston that was so goddamn dangerous oh dude it was rough identifying at one point uh a gym coach from like matthew and was identified as the bomber and he had nothing to do with it. He was just a guy with a backpack during the marathon who was caught on some camera. And suddenly – like his life was ruined for a couple of days because they identified him as the killer, and he had nothing to do with it. Oh, fucking – I hate Reddit. They're just the most garbage people doing the most garbage things at the most garbage times.

You know, the bad part is I agree with you and I use it all the time. What does that say about you? Well, I would be the first one to tell you that I'm garbage. First off, I would never lie to you. So I found something on Reddit that was like, what the fuck is PragerU? It was effectively what it's called. And what it was was a long string of people saying, I watched my first couple videos and I fell into this rabbit hole. And then it took a long time to get out of it when someone opened my eyes.

One person said, quote, I watched the videos nearly religiously before I realized what I got myself into. That says a lot. And more importantly, I don't think the mainline PragerU videos are problematic. I would say that they're just as bad as watching Fox News, which is bad. But watching Fox News probably isn't going to turn you into a white nationalist Nazi. Probably. But look at some of the people they have listed as faculty. You can see where this path can lead people.

People like Dinesh D'Souza, Ben Shapiro, Stephen Crowder, David Clark, the racist sheriff, James O'Keefe from Project Veritas, Jordan Peterson, Candace Owens, Adam fucking Carolla, and Yakov Smirnoff. Yeah, those two alone are – I mean I don't see how you consider either one of them subject matter experts in anything except for maybe boobs and terrible comedy. But to listen to this faculty kind of shows that you're not an institution worth being taken seriously. Right, right. And I mean, now there's a large number of people in the PragerU faculty, if you want to call them. They're not really faculty, but that are connected to some insane shit.

I mean, like Ben Shapiro fucking motivated a shooter once. Steven Crowder makes his living harassing college kids. David Clark's negligence as sheriff killed like six people. James O'Keefe has been arrested for fraud. Jordan Peterson's fucking Jordan Peterson. I've done almost a whole episode on another podcast, the What a Hell of a Way to Die podcast on Jordan Peterson. And he might be the most disingenuous of all of them and maybe the creepiest too. His obsession with Disney princesses makes me look relatively normal.

He gets really upset. Didn't he start crying during one video or something? I don't know if I missed that, but I know he's done lengthy talks and written many articles and videos about why the Disney movie Frozen is detrimental to the fabric of society because some God knows reason. But he's a really – so the thing that's weird about him is his craziness is seeping. His daughter, have you heard about the pyramid type scheme she's running right now? Oh my god. He has a kid? Somebody had sex with him?

pyramid type scheme she's running right now oh my god he has a kid somebody had sex with him he has a an 18 or 19 year old daughter uh who is becoming famous and making money for selling her diet plan um and the ability to speak with her so she eats exclusively meat like she doesn't yeah and so what she's doing now because she lost a lot of weight or not lost a lot of weight, excuse me. Her pitch was that she suffered from like depression and had a ton of health issues. And then suddenly she just started eating nothing but meat. And now all of her health issues have gone away. All of her psychological issues have gone away. So she's selling consultations with people on the Internet where if you pay something ridiculous like $200, she'll talk to you for half an hour about eating just meat and how it will change your life.

So he has not just been destructive by himself, but he somehow turned his daughter into being the charlatan on the internet as well, which takes it to a really deeper level of being a douchebag when you involve your family into it. I remember, so full disclosure, I used to listen to the Joe Rogan experience quite often until about two years ago. So when he started becoming really, really insufferable, he's always been bad. But you really don't need Joe Rogan anymore when you can just smoke weed and sit on the couch and talk about other dimensions on your own.

But he had Jordan Peterson on and on and jordan peterson was balls deep in his all meat diet and he said that he had a drink of what apple cider vinegar and stayed awake for a month like oh my god yeah it's not i i still will listen to a joe rogan on occasion when he has a good guest on, but he's one of those guys that can very easily, with the wrong guests, get into really dangerous territory. When he had Tom DeLonge on from Blink-182, that was fascinating because Tom DeLonge was so crazy and so out there that even Joe Rogan was like, man, you're losing me here. DeLonge was so, so crazy and so out there that even Joe Rogan was like, man, you're losing me here. Um, but yeah, you know, you get someone like Jordan Peterson on who again, you know, can speak with the appearance of having a authority. Joe Rogan falls headfirst into it and he's willing to go along and say some really ridiculous shit. Oh yeah. And he's had Peterson

on probably five or six times. He's also had Steven Crowder on. Um, and that was the only episode I've ever watched where he lost his cool with somebody. And that wasn't because he was like a sexist piece of shit is because that Steven Crowder said something bad about weed. Yeah. Uh, he's had, uh, Candace Owens on too, who definitely someone not worthy of your attention but he's gotten a lot worse lately it seems. He knows what's paying the bills. So I mean

which brings us to our conclusion or our discussion on this episode is allowing history to be hijacked by ghouls who count the host of the fucking man show as a professor is not only ridiculous, it's fucking dangerous.

They're harnessing history to push a twisted politics on people that dehumanize and insult large parts of the American population while encouraging violence against anyone who might stand against them. These videos have well over collectively a billion views. So I know I told you like the, my whole concept for this episode is PragerU is dangerous and bad for

America. But like, how do we counter this? Like, cause I mean, I, my, our podcast has grown surprisingly to the point that people actually want to listen to us.

But, you know, me screaming at the Internet with you is not going to do anything to counter PragerU. It's not. But how do we as a society attempt to, like, gain control of our own history going forward? Because it's it's being distorted and and effectively defiled and i mean a lot of the shit that they're doing uh dishonors and defiles the idea of history in my opinion um and what they're doing is just outright dangerous we talked a little before we started the show uh how do we counter this think, so I think the best way to do it is to obviously look at what they're doing that works and try to counteract it.

Um, PragerU for, for as horrible of an organization as they are, are, are pretty smart organization. They've found a way to craft the narrative and to craft a message and to get it to large groups of people and have it accepted as gospel. And I think we need to look at the way people learn and consume anything really this day, not just history, but how people consume a lot of their knowledge and a lot of what they bring into their receptors and kind of acknowledge that, okay, maybe people aren't going to pick up a book on the history of the British Empire and sit down and read it and then cross reference it with other books from maybe different perspectives and, you know, by authors with different goals. Um, I think

Kevin, and I'm going to fuck up his last name, but Kevin Cross or Kevin Krause is one of the people who's been really effective at countering, uh, these, these bad faith actors like Dinesh D'Souza, by understanding that people don't want to read 500 pages on the British Empire to prove a five-minute YouTube video wrong. He's able to tweet thread 15 or 20 tweets, which isn't that many, and completely tear down these arguments of people like Dinesh D'Souza and PragerU and Ben Shapiro and all these other fuckheads. I think that's where you start is by understanding how people consume media and turning it around and basically beating them at their own game. And then the other thing is something that you and I discussed, and this may be a little more, I don't want to say revolutionary, but a little more out there, is I think the news media maybe needs to get out of the opinion sector. And you kind of brought this up where you weren't sure that editorials had a place in the news anymore, and maybe that's why organizations like this are able to get big.

And maybe that's why organizations like this are able to get big. People have this theory now that the news isn't to be trusted and that legitimate organizations that produce the news have a factual bias depending on their political leanings. And 90 percent of the time those opinions are crafted because people mistake the op-ed section for legitimate, credible news. And maybe that's where we start is by, you know, removing the opinion from news altogether and focusing more on solely, you know, disproving false narratives. Yeah. And, you know, I always thought that was kind of the point of news. Like I grew up, like I told you, I grew up reading the newspaper because I was a lame

kid. And I remember opinion pieces as being that back part of the newspaper that I never I never read. Because why do you want to read somebody else's opinion on things that when, when there's actual facts that back them up, um, or when there's actually factual things in accounts that you can read of. And now we, I mean, this is before I was born, but we've graduated from having opinion pieces in newspapers, having entire channels that call themselves news,

which is nothing but opinion. And then when somebody comes forth with some incredibly dishonest take on a historical account, say like the British empire helped spread freedom and shit and you disagree with them, they can just say that's their opinion, but it's not, they're just wrong.

They have a wrong education. I think we need to... Because the thing is, in my opinion, even though I'm a political person, history shouldn't have politics. And I understand that's kind of hard to accept because history is written by the victors. But in the 21st century, we have so many different accounts of so many different parts of history that you can combine them together and have a pretty non-biased take on it like it should not be political to say slavery caused civil war it should not be political to say that uh the british empire caused numerous genocides and atrocities across the world it shouldn't be political to say that america done that because it's not. Those are just historical facts.

And if people get offended by that concept, I don't know how to change them. I don't know how to change that because they have been so changed and maybe even indoctrinated to accept this nationalist notion that the history of a place is also your history, like you personally, that somebody speaking against it is offensive. I don't know how to change that. And I see that as getting worse as nationalism becomes more prevalent, not only across America, but across the Western world. Yeah, it's interesting how much we tie our identities to where we are from. And it's why I think politics is even getting a lot more divisive. politics is even getting a lot more divisive is is you know and this might go back to um i know you brought it up earlier like the southern strategy and tying in ideological roots with um who we are now people people were trying to base their identity on something that's

not really that important whether it's it's sports sports or politics. And when you, when you, sorry, I'm kind of getting lost in my thought here, but when you are identifying who you are based on your politics, um, you're a lot less likely to accept opposing views. Like when someone to completely understand what you're trying to say. Yeah. When someone attacks your politics, you're taking it as a personal attack. And that's why I think people are getting so divisive is if I agree with abortion but someone disagrees with it, it seems like nowadays people are taking that disagreement personally. Like my opinion on whether healthcare should be federally funded and whether healthcare should be a universal right is some personality flaw. If someone disagrees with me, it's not a personality flaw. It's just a matter of opinion.

And I think that's what these organizations like PragerU prey upon is that they make what you believe politically a part of your intrinsic value. Yeah. And they're taking that same – politics has changed so much in the last decade, decade and a half. But, you know, they're trying to take that same attitude and push it towards history effectively. I mean, I know a lot of people who disagree with me politically, and that's fine. But it happens a lot. Like, I just spent almost the last 10 years of my life in Texas.

And, um, only recently are they starting to teach that slavery was an integral part of the civil war. Um, when it came to science, uh, they, I think they use the term teach the controversy between creation and evolution. Like, and they even have started saying that in in aspects of history of teach the controversy there's no controversy there's only irreputable fact like science and history are very different in that aspect that there's many parts of history that simply don't change because you can't relive them you can't uh test them in a lab like some things have been facts since they've happened, but they're trying to turn those into a spectrum where you can disregard them by saying, well, that's just your opinion.

That's not an opinion. the op-eds such an important part of our everyday discourse, whether it be on TV or in newspapers, websites, whatever, um, that now, uh, op-eds are, are effectively considered fact in our news.

So when someone says something that is, you know, like a research paper with, uh, like I just had to write fucking 40 goddamn pages of research papers. No, we're in there. Is there an opinion? Because that's not what that is.

Right, and it's similar to you. When I went through my master's program, if I submitted a paper to one of my teachers that considered – or not considered but that presented something that wasn't backed up with fact, my professors would give my paper back, have the section circled, and say unsupported. my paperback to have the section circle and say unsupported you know you can't in research you can't present something uh without without being able to back it up and have it just accepted right right and that's i think that's what they're going for here um but unfortunately for us they have no signs of slowing down um at all their their views are only going up they're only getting more videos um i just the the thing is there's no counterpoint there's no you know there's nothing else has been streamlined to to the point of prager you and there's i mean there's countless historical videos on youtube that um that are, like that are not the flashy $30,000 an

episode PragerU videos, uh, hosted by people from the internet that your weird cousin has heard of. Those don't exist, um, in the, in the academic world. So there's no counterpoint to the tightly wound five-minute video to counterpoint theirs. And I think maybe we need that. Maybe historians somewhere need to get – I'm not a real historian. I'm a fucking amateur at best, and I scream at the internet. But maybe real historians need to get together and hit back. You need to get together and hit back. Yeah, I mean, and maybe that's kind of what I was alluding to earlier is that history has long been considered a very dry subject because for the most part, history is irrefutable.

What PragerU is doing is making it almost sensationalized. It's the soap opera ization of something that is otherwise hard to debate. It's hard to debate history when so much of history is rooted in fact. What they've done is made it something that's interesting because you can debate it. And maybe that's what real historians

and people who take these kind of things seriously need to do to convey that message, which is why, again – and I hate to keep going back to him, but I think he's really mastered the art of hitting back without resorting to ad hominems but tearing down arguments so effectively that he renders them ineffective is Kevin Krause. is Kevin Krause. You know, if you took his tweet threads, uh, where he counteracts the National Susan, the types and turn them into five minute videos with him narrating and using the same level of invective, um, but maybe making a little flashier. I think that's a good beginning to, you know, destroying the narrative, the people like Prager you're creating. That sounds like a magnificent idea. So funny story. You're one of the people that kind of helped me get my confidence when it came to emailing people to get them on the show. And I wanted to interview Kevin Krause, Cruz, whatever his name is.

I want to interview him. I still do really, really, really bad. And you sent me an email address. Like, oh, look, it's right here. You sent it to me. And I was like, oh, fuck yeah, I'm going to send him an email. Not the same guy.

So I sent an email out. It was some random lawyer in like fucking Connecticut or something. And he's like, different guy, but good luck. Thanks, buddy. You said you want to interview Kevin Krause. You didn't say which Kevin Krause. I was simply facilitating a Kevin Krause.

That is true. That's very true. So this is officially, I believe, the longest podcast we've ever done on the show. So before we take off, go ahead and plug your pluggables. Yeah, so I do a podcast that, unlike yours, nobody wants to listen to and nobody looks forward to listening to called Everything is Awful. Myself and my friend Jordan, we generally talk about current affairs, pop culture, and try to provide our spin on it. We recently did an episode on – very similar to this, but looking at a lot of the college conservative groups and why we consider them so dangerous. We spend a lot of time talking about Turning Point USA and Charlie Kirk and Liberty Hangout, which is the Kent State gun girl.

But that's really the only thing I do worth plugging. Other than if you want to come watch my men's league hockey games, I'm pretty good at fighting and scoring goals. So every Thursday night, the Prince William County Hockey Rink in Virginia, come on out. All right. Thank you so much for coming by. I look forward to having you on again, man. Yeah. Take care, buddy. Hi, this is Nate Bethea and I'm the producer of the Lions Led by Donkeys podcast. This show is brought to you by Audible. And as it just so happens, Audible is offering our listeners a free audiobook with a 30-day trial membership. Just go to audibletrial.com forward slash donkeys and browse the selection of audio programs.

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