Lions Led By Donkeys Podcast - Episode 385 - The Texas Revolution: Part 4
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Hello and welcome to the Lions and By Donkey's podcast. I'm Joe and with me's
Tom and Nate. The Bucky's Revolutionary Committee has broken down.
Ever since that man was raptured out of the bathroom, leaving only his shoes, a powerful spell.
A cult has formed in his wake.
The dissidents in the snack aisle have put down their arms, but only thanks to another man who has proclaimed himself the one true pastor of the holy asses.
And he claims he speaks to the missing man, who they believe has ascended to a higher plane of being.
We aren't entirely sure what to do, but we see which way the wind is blowing.
We daub our face in the holy sacrament and join in an evening.
chanting.
Bellas,
how are you doing?
I love that
my shoes
have become a
venerated object.
It's like a
saint's finger.
Or like a,
yeah,
like a saint's finger,
Mary Magdalens'
bones that is like
contained in that
absolutely insane
sarcophagus in Spain,
I think.
Yeah.
When they take people
on a tour of it,
they're like,
you know,
this is the place
where he heed his last half.
And so sometimes if you come
to,
pay pilgrimage and pay homage to the objects
at a certain time of the day
you can get the faint humid smell
the last thing though came here
was yehaw
it even goes into the distance
I know me and Joe talked about
on a previous episode
can't remember Nate if you were on it or not
but like whenever you go into like a public toilet
you can always tell someone has just
eviscerated the porcelain by there's just a faint
humidity in the air
yeah yeah I've got a really good one for you
one time I had an appointment and I needed to eat lunch and there was this restaurant.
I was a, I mean, I feel a little worse about it now back in the day.
It was in New York.
It was an Israeli restaurant.
But I'm like a lot of fucking, they stole a lot of food that's good.
Anyway, so I got lunch and I got, but it was like, but the problem is an Israeli restaurant
in the East Village is that like, it's primarily just like Jewish boomers who have zero
fucking manners.
And I know this because I know this from my family.
And basically got asked by like some insane lady to leave my table because she wanted to take
my seats so it really wasn't an Israeli restaurant
and I went to
and I was like fuck what am I going to do? I need to eat this
and this fucking East Village was like basically nowhere
this can get I want to be able to sit and eat this before
I have this appointment and I go and I'm like
there's nowhere. It's so raining outside
of shit and so I'm like for you know what I'm just going to do
this sad high school or move. I never did this in high school
but I have friends who did and eat my lunch in the bathroom and I'm like
I know there's a bathroom on the floor of this
office and like no one's ever in it and then
I went in and someone had taken the raunchy
shit
sat there eating my tuna salad sandwich
with Horissa and slices of hard boiled eggs
and be like God hates me
and this shit fever
God fucking hates me
so much for being God's chosen people
yeah we are
this is what he chose for us
you're driven across the restaurant
into the bathroom and when we left you
last time the Alamo fell
nearly 400 Texan volunteers
outside of the Saletto Creek
surrendered to Mexican forces only to get
massacred the Texan government was
newly independent under the turbo racist interim president, David Burnett, but also collapsing
as soon as was formed as San Houston attempt to slap together something resembling an army
to counter the Mexican advance towards Gonzalez. Sammy Houston's ranks are sold by over
a thousand men, all following the rallying cry of remember the Alamo and remember Goliad.
Though at the same time, Houston was coming to the conclusion that he and his army were the last
Texan volunteer force still in the field, even if that force was still in retreat.
By mid-March, Houston and his army of around 1,400 men camped outside of Beeson's crossing on the Colorado River.
The river was swollen by spring rains and was completely impassable to Mexican forces, as the Texans had wrecked the only local ferry to make any crossing.
This finally gave Houston time to put his army of largely untrained randos through their paces, teaching them how to march, fire, and service their weapons.
Though the respite wasn't long enough, only a few days, because before long, Texan scouts reported,
that Santa Ana's army had split in half with 600 men under Ramirez Sesma
marching right for them at Beesons.
Instead of waiting, though, the agitated revenge-seeking volunteers demanded that Houston
go on the attack, and he damn near had a mutiny on his hands when he refused to do so.
Because he wasn't a tactically stronger position on the other side of the river,
and they sat there for six days as Ramirez Sesma's forces were virtually with an eye shot.
Houston may have stanked like a dumpster fired and had been shit-faced drunk,
but he wasn't stupid.
An attack on the Mexican army would have required him to cross the same river,
not to mention he had no artillery while Ramirez Sesma had several cannons.
Then on the sixth day of waiting, he pissed his men off even further by ordering another
retreat towards Samp Philippe, with the river acting as a perfect barricade between the two armies,
so the Mexican forces lost track of him.
He's making all of the right decisions, and everybody's pissed at him.
Though his retreat was so wildly unpopular amongst men, he nearly lost control of his army.
even though it was absolutely the correct thing to do
men began spreading pamphlets and posters in the camp
demanding that he turn around and attack
one of these famously said quote
the enemy are laughing you to scorn
you must fight them you must retreat no further
the country expects you to fight
Houston was convinced he was about to be the victim of some
kind of internal coup or maybe even murdered
so he ordered that anyone who kept talking shit about him
be taken out back and shot
this seemed to calm things down
at least for the time being.
But there's always like a bitter fucking hatred for Sam Houston.
I'm not going to talk about it throughout the whole episode,
but there's like a hardcore anti-Huston camp.
And this hatred for him pretty much continues on until the end of the war because,
spoiler,
the Texans win.
So there's a lot of immediate like,
I always like Sam Houston.
He's always been a good friend of mine.
But up until that point,
people fucking hated him.
Meanwhile, Santa Ana's forces advanced all across Texas,
capturing every port other than Galveston
and requiring supplies from the U.S. to support the Texans
to take a very strange overland route
and then down the Sabine River,
it slowed them down considerably.
Santa Ana's main force still camped out in San Antonio after the Alamo
finally left and met up with Ramira Sestma
and another force under the command of General Tulsa
at the beginning of April.
Though Santa Ana was very nearly not there at all.
Okay, for more Mexican political background,
here. When Santana marched off in the Texas, he just handed off the office of the presidency
to his political ally, again, Miguel Baragon. Baragon was, however, pretty much on death's door
when Santa Ana left. He was very, very sickly. And then on the 1st of March, 1836, he died,
setting Mexico to yet another political crisis thanks to Santa Ana. However, one of his aides
pointed out that General de Irea, the guy who had done most of the fighting and the one that
constantly told Santa Ana like, maybe
don't do that, was in a better
position to become president. And
if Santa Ana wanted to retain
his aura, so to speak, and ride home
and take the presidency, because Santana
very nearly just dropped all of this and ran
back to Mexico City to become president again.
And like, no, no, if you do that,
D. Rea can, has more
clout than you at the moment. So you need to
stay in Texas to destroy the rebellion once
and for all. Hence why he packed
up his army and marched up to meet with
Ramira Sessma and Tulsa.
There's a very good, like, different branch
in reality here where Santana drops
everything, goes back to Mexico
City, and leaves the campaign
in the hands of Duri Rea, who could
have won. Yeah.
But alas, he does not.
Yeah, it's kind of like, you know,
Santa Ana has like the level of loyalty where like
being the president is his side chick.
Kind of.
And that like, he just cycles through
the presidency constantly.
And once he has it, he doesn't actually care too much about it.
Yeah, he comes back to, you know, the presidential seat and he's just like, I'm sorry, baby, I've changed this time.
Now I'm a federalist.
Oh, now I'm a centralist.
I need another seat.
I'll be back.
There's another rebellion against me.
I'm going to go join.
Meanwhile, back with Houston, he pissed more people off.
The Texan government had moved as far east as they could go, eventually landing in the town of Harrisburg.
So there's no point to trying to defend San Felipe.
St. Philippe is the first
Texan settlement. It's like this
very important
position to people who care
about that kind of things. It's not tactically
important anymore. The government's
gone. Most of the town is gone
at this point. Houston orders
it completely abandoned. And for a lot
of men, that was a step too far.
Two companies flatly
refused to leave it. So Houston
was pretty sick of these
constant arguments at this point. So he kind of
shrugged and said, okay, stay. If you
want, just try to hold the town in the nearby
crossings of the Brazos River for as long
as you could to help be out. And then
he just leaves. When the combined Mexican
force ran into the two companies men
and the scouts report it was just a rear
guard action, Santana
was furious he was being held up
and wanted to close this whole thing out.
He told Ramirez Sesma to handle it
and then took a different detachment of a few
hundred men and made for Thompson's ferry
down river. The ferry hadn't been
destroyed, rather been pulled across
and held there. And used
one of his men who spoke fluent
unaccident English, he simply
sat on the bank of the river and called
out to the ferrymen to bring it over.
And he did, because the ferryman thought
they were Texans. So he paddles across
and then the 600 man
detatcher just springs out from the
woods and captures the ferry
at gunpoint. But they still only have one
ferry. So it takes all day to
slowly bring these guys across.
But this outflanks the defenders of
Saint-Philippe who decide to retreat.
And someone, we aren't sure who,
orders Saint-Philippe to be burned to the ground.
The Texans at first blame the Mexicans for this,
but the Mexicans did not burn the town.
It generally comes down now if it was an argument over which Texan set it on fire.
Okay.
The dudes holding the town later said Sam Houston ordered them to do it,
which isn't true.
He wasn't even there.
Sam Houston trying to not blame anybody specifically for it.
So, well, the citizens of the town,
seeing that the Mexicans were coming,
their own town. It was probably the militia, but we have no idea. Meanwhile, Houston and his army
hit out in the Brazo swamps resting, a place so thick and nasty that they knew that if Santa Ana
attacked, they would be able to hold them off. The swamps are quite literally, like, for once
their backyard. Yeah. Like, I said before, a lot of people say, like, oh, the Texans were fighting
on their home turf when they, when they weren't. Most of those dudes are only been in Texas for as long as
Tom has been in the Netherlands
recording this podcast
but the swamps
the swamps were these dudes
made home because remember
a lot of these guys
are from the southern United States
they're fucking swamp people
yeah so they're doing like
the iron sports nigger
predator covered themselves in mud
it also is kind of a nice
like spa retreat for these guys
like you know get a mud mask
you can go like float on your back
in the swamp
yeah go swim around
some putrid swamp water
yell at any
nearby donkeys are coming into your swamp.
The problem is, is despite a lot of these guys being very comfortable in a swamp,
a swap is still a giant vector for disease.
Yes, and as we know, so far, these guys are not the cleanest.
No.
And it's made worse by the fact that they had no drinking water, so they just start drinking
the swamp water.
Oh, that's going to like elevate a level of swamp ass to like a whole new echelon.
you're just discovering out of boredom
new ways to get horrifically ill
yeah you're basically like
you're kind of like
removing the process of osmosis by making sure
you have as much pollution and disease
inside you as outside of you
harmonize it
this is only made worse by a mass
outbreak of measles
whooping cough the mumps
dysentery
the flu and of course
pink eye because
they're shitting out their ass at a swamp
and not washing their hands.
This is now just like
the normal occurrence
in like a Texas suburb
because nobody's getting vaccinated anymore.
RFK Jr. is the surgeon general
of this RV.
Have you tried drinking the swamp water?
It's the swamp version
of balancing the humors.
Yeah, back in those days
where it's like all of the things
that we've discovered
that can make medicine and sanitation
just a little bit easier
hadn't been discovered yet.
And so they were like, yeah,
what's, you know,
what's the downside to going into like it is the disease vector what's the downside to
go again to the place where people come out of it looking like the thing looking like you know
like fucked up clay sculptures like it's just going to melt your skin and turn you into like
a vat of filth but like that's kind of what we are already so sam houston was probably trying to
create vodka the swamp water oh he just needed his guys to get so gross so they would ferment all
of the water
you can just drink it
get a buzz
you know
bring me another
soldier and he's just
like ringing
like ringing out
their uniform
into a cup
yeah
creating a Texan
kimchi warriors
fuck
however there was
one bright spot
this was an
entirely a hopeless
situation
they camped outside
of an old plantation
that happened to have
several doctors in it
and for a lot
of Texan volunteers
this is the first
that they got
medical care
during the entire campaign
these guys in this plantation
are definitely
like, um, to bring it back
to King of the Hill again, the episode where Bill
goes to visit his cousins and I was like,
oh, William, do Treve.
It's so good to see you.
They come out in
pristine white suits.
That was swinging a cane.
Once the soldiers recovered from
blasting shit and blood out of themselves,
they got badly needed rest,
supplies, and training.
Again, all while living in a swamp.
So by like getting healthy,
I mean, they were like actively dying from the
measles anymore, but most
of them still have an underlying
foundational amount of flu and dysentery.
This whole situation, and I know
Nate's going to correct me because it is a different state,
but this is just like the setup for
a William Faulkner novel. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, that's fair. A swamp is a swamp.
Yeah. All swamps aren't created equal.
Like an old plantation house
filled with doctors suddenly beset upon
by swamp warriors is like
a William Faulkner novel.
Right. And it cuts forward to descendants
of one of the swamp warriors
that's trying to convince his college roommate
that actually like the swamp warriors
were well they were decent guys deep down
you know like it wasn't that bad
I don't hate the swamp warriors
I do say
these swamp warriors are awfully uncouth
well I believe that man should be
living not in contention with nature
we should embrace the swamp
if we did not crawl out of the primordial slime
if that is not a swamp I do not know
I mean, I will say that it's not an easy book to read, but Absalom, Absalom will absolutely explain
the entirety of America because a white dude is so mad that because he's poor, he gets told
to use the side door in like plantation country of Virginia that he decides to get revenge by
going to Haiti and amassing an army of slaves and getting wealthy. But he commits miscegenation
and the shame of this causes him to like basically set his own house on fire and destroy his
entire family. Nothing could be more fucking American than that. So I'm just saying, William Faulkner,
actually huge, huge, huge respect.
But, you know,
it's one of those things where he was talking,
he was speaking some truth.
And they call that the Texan Gambit.
Mississippi, but it's all right, though.
Same thing.
The vibe, the vibe's the same. Well, but slightly different.
Mississippi is worse.
Let's be fucking real here.
All swamps create that.
That's about like, unify all swamps.
That's my political ideology.
We're creating a new equitable society
in the swamp.
That's right. It's the more equitable swamp.
Now, all of this last,
until April 12th when Houston loads his men into some riverboats and moves them across the
Brazos and back on the march. Meanwhile, Santa Ana had stopped trying to pursue Houston's army,
thinking them broken and cowardly for hiding behind the river and therefore no longer a threat. Instead,
he decides he's going to close out this campaign by marching as hard as possible day and night
through rainstorms and like fields of mud so deep they swallow cannons to try to catch up to the
rapidly displacing Texan government.
By the time Santana gets to Harrisburg on April 15th,
where he thinks the government is still hiding,
they had already run again.
They actually had run only like 30 minutes before he got there
to the point they see them on boats escaping down the river.
And they just kind of go to the riverbank and do the shaking fist.
Shake harder, boy, the Texas government can't see you.
So he burns the town and carries.
on. This time they're going towards
New Washington on the East Coast.
He begins marching for New Washington
only again. When he gets
there, he sees the government, once
again, still in eyesight,
slowly escaping down the river
at a boat, shaking his fist once again.
Damn, you Texans!
Santana
decided fuck it, that's good enough.
The government's on the run. They're completely
unable to govern. And assuming
that Houston was now retreating towards
necadocious and wanting to cut
him off, he marches for Lynchburg, a town that nowhere in the south should be named after.
However, that is when Erastus Smith, remember, his nickname is Deaf, working as a scout for
Houston, captures a Mexican messenger, and on the messenger is a detailed map that has every
Mexican troop position on it.
The one thing we didn't want to happen.
Like, we are
slowly collecting
the military history version
of see no evil, speak no evil,
hear no evil, we have death, we've missed
Slav the Mew, we just need a blind guy now.
Yeah, that's true. This is how
Houston discovered that the entire
Mexican army was not marching
with Santa Ana. Prior to this, he thought
that they were all on his ass, but
instead, Santa Ana only had 600
men, which meant, for the first
time, Houston had a numerical
advantage. Imagine being
the guy who dropped the map
realizing you dropped it
that guy is so fired
so fired he's so dead
we're gonna have you just get knifed
by your asthmus over there
what happened next is up for debate
so Houston's army is on the march
and the way that this plays out
is they're marching down a road
and this case it's Texas in the 1800
so it's more of a dusty
a literal dusty trail
and they come to a fork and said dusty trail
one heads for Harrisburg
and the other one heads closer to the east coast.
Houston is marching towards the back of his army
and his men let out a whoop
and simply bust left towards Harrisburg
deciding fuck it they're going on the attack.
The military formation.
Whoop whoop, whoop, whoop.
You're going to have a civil war between the whoop-whoops
and the Yehaws.
Yeah.
And as the story goes,
Houston just kind of said,
God damn it, and decides to march with them.
Despite the fact they,
the army itself has decided we're not
retreating anymore. Other parts
of the story say that this was always
Houston's plan. It does
make sense. He does now have all
of the Mexican military plans in his
hands, but he's not
someone who really shares his plans with
anybody. So nobody
who is entirely sure what his plan was
at the time. I do like
the idea of the army just forcing the
commander to do what they wanted
to do though.
Once there, Houston,
A man mostly known for getting drunk, smelling like death and sleeping it off until like 10 a.m. the next morning long after the rest of his army has woken up.
Gave his only speech during this entire campaign because he was not a man for motivational speeches or words.
I couldn't imagine he was very eloquent, more so communicating in a series of grommel.
He shouts at his men, remember the alamo and remember goliad before I assume properly doubling over and vomiting in his own mouth.
are just like farting really lovely.
His visible stinklines
Yeah, it feels like
a lot of these sort of historic reminiscences
and sort of like, you know,
invocations of heroism.
We've come across a little different
if like they were periodically interrupted
by people just sharding really loud.
It's just like making this heroic speech
about et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
It's just like a massive brown stain spray.
You just see like a little bit of shit
coming out of the pantaloons.
He holds up a finger.
He's like, oh, hold on.
Oh, no, I've done and gone and shat myself again.
It's like the first fucking gladiator
seen in Gladiator where the dude is pissing and you see
the cameras, he's dripping down his leg.
Every single person shitting themselves.
They all have dysentery.
They're all drug to his shit off
of swamp liquor.
Yeah.
You're just like, God,
my boots are squelchy again.
Creating your own trench
in Texas.
That's how they actually keep
cadence, keep marching in time.
everyone squelches on the one
at the same time.
Together they marched on
cross the Buffalo Bayou
on a series of log rafts
which sounds fun
but it was probably quite terrified.
I love the idea
of the one guy
who doesn't have dysentery
and has to
intentionally try and shit himself
just to keep K-Fame
he needs to be
like he can't be thought of
as the outcast
he won't be popular
if he's still shit and solid
so he's sitting there
like straining like a toddler
he's the one who's calling Cadence
he's singing Army Cadence
but about this stuff
you should go like
left right
left right left right left right
cow wife spinning
running down the street
shit
running down on my feet
remember Francis
and his cow wife
yeah
and there's just the one
Polish guy
who's like really confused
they march on
towards Lynchburg
and Houston forces his army
and the hardest marching
the Texans
had experienced thus far
not stopping for anything
day or night. And remember, a lot of these guys are still really, really, really sick.
And several men simply drop dead on the way. I assume mid-ye-ha. Yeah. Yeah.
It's cute. Quick boys, you got extra shit in his ass stealing. Get that shit. It's like
sourdough starter culture for the next swamp. The ship of Theseus, except it's the amount of
shit in your boots. Like, when's the stop being yours is the collective shit you've stolen off
fallen soldiers? That's right.
leave 200 men behind at the burnt remains of Harrisburg because they're simply too sick to go on.
But his plan worked. The Texans managed to cross the ferry before Santa Ana. Santa Ana still assuming
that Houston was in retreat was furious to find him suddenly at his rear. Word of the Texans
position, I assume, spread through the stink lines. Yeah, you catch him by the rear. You can definitely,
they were coming from downwind. You don't even need scouts. You're just sitting there and your horse like,
Texans
Yeah, I love
the dedication to
historical accuracy
that Nate is currently
suffering from
what we could have coined
the Texan disease
That sounds like
what people in Oklahoma
would call being gay
The Texan disease
is when your cow gets
Chlamydia
Not my cow wife
Oh no, not my cow wife
Sad yaha
y'all
y'all
y'all
where do the Texan's position
spread through Santa Ana's ranks
and according to Colonel Delgado
the hungry, sick and miserable conscripts
that made up the detachment
started talking about running
before they were even ordered
to march towards Houston's men
Santa Ana didn't make things better
because then he mounted his horse
and like pulled his sword out
and attempt to rally his men
and then he just stampeded
over two of his own dudes
Oh my God.
That's the most demotivating speech in human history.
You're like, I think the general just murdered Phil.
That's like a cutaway bit from like family guy.
That's full on.
It's like, yeah, General Patton giving a speech in chief and he forgets not put it.
He doesn't put it in park.
And it just lurches forward.
It just knocks half the formation out.
So he eventually got his men together and marched him for the junction at Buffalo Bayou.
And most importantly, the sun just.
Jacinto River, getting there about 2 p.m. on April 20th. This was the ground that favored the Texans. It was marshland, there's thick groves of trees, all that served their Texan way of war of long-distance rifle shooting. They lacked, trained horsemen still, and the marshes in the trees would slow down any mountain Mexican attack, which of course they favored, while the trees would provide cover for the riflemen. Not to mention, since most Texans were from the American South, like I said, they're more than happy to fight.
fight the swamp. Santa Ana was just outside that looking in and decided his men should build a camp
and rest, much to the surprise of every other officer in Santa Ana's camp. The Texan forces in the
muddy tree line were so well concealed that there's certainly no way that Santa Ana could actually
see them. Once again, I am right in making a joke about Arnold Schwarzenegger in Predator. You just
see like two white globes rising out of the swamp. Yeah, you see a soldier with a Kentucky long
rifle coated head
to toe in mud
his cow wife
slowly rising
from the swamp
behind him
or for a more
contemporary example
for anyone who's
played dead stranding
the scene where
you fight Clifford Unger
for the first time
he rises out of the
goop with his
goop soldiers
yeah you got to
look out for the
goop men
he then sent
soldiers towards
the tree line
hoping to goad
Houston into
deploying his men
away from his
position of
advantage and so he
could counter
with his dragoons
that is when
Santana discovered
hidden in the swamp
was two
Texas canons nicknamed the
twin sisters that they
opened fire with with
a canister round on the Mexican
soldiers. They're the twin sisters and
they're both mine and I'm going to marry them both
my cannon wife.
These are my canon wives.
They share a bed with my cowwife.
My cowwife isn't too happy
about it. This sends the Mexican
soldiers running and the Texans
excited to see Santa Ana's men
running for once, demanded
that Houston let them go on the counter
attack immediately, but Houston refused knowing that's exactly what Santa Ana was trying to do.
But he again feared a kind of general revolt against his command.
So he allowed one man to Sidney Sherman to take a group of horsemen forward on a scouting
mission to get a better look at Santa Ana's disposition, but gave strict orders to not engage.
Of course Sherman ignored those orders as soon as he got them.
He ordered his 61 horsemen, among them the Texan Secretary of War,
Thomas Rusk to charge right at the enemy.
But here's the thing, these guys were not kidded out for mounted warfare in any capacity.
They were carrying their long rifles, which were so long that after they fired,
they could only be reloaded by dismounting off of the horse.
Of course, as soon as they did this, Mexican dragoons armed with their own weapons,
namely lances and swords, closed in for their kind of fighting.
Secretary Rusk was immediately surrounded and nearly killed,
but was saved at the last second by a Texan private name,
Maraubo Bonaparte Lamar.
Oh, ha ha ha.
What a fucking name.
Say it again.
Mirabou Bonaparte Lamar.
Once again, Nate,
that is a William Faulkner character ass name.
Yeah, man, man.
At first I thought it was like Maribau or something kind of like a weird Anglo-Saxon,
but Mirabot like in French,
like,
oh my goodness gracious.
You would assume this is another one of those weird Europeans that showed up.
No, this is just a guy from Georgia.
Yep.
it works out
his parents also interestingly
first cousins
he was a self-trade
lawyer and failed candidate for
Congress before washing up in Texas
once again another self-taught lawyer
well yeah also it's like you have names
like this then you also have another guy who's like
extremely not any kind of southern
European background whose last name
his name is based like Alejandro Blump
like those are just 19th century guys
I was gonna say it like you have
Mirabeau and beside him you have just
a guy, a disgusting
dirty texting guy called
John Gunt.
I'm of the proud
Gunt clan.
Yeah, exactly.
It's like John Gunt,
Dick Hitler, Mirabeau Lamar.
I guess this clump.
Now, John Gunt would have
definitely been on the Mexican side.
It just somehow ends up there.
Well, it was like Bradburn in our first part of the series.
Sherman then requested infantry support,
which Houston refused.
because again, this is turning into what he was worried about.
So, one of his captains said, fuck it, and led his been Ford anyway.
Other men saw this in charge Ford.
It's the classic domino effect we always have talked about on here.
And before long, an entire regiment of Texans is running off without orders.
And there's no order or discipline.
There's no ranks.
Nobody's beating drums for these guys to keep cadence.
It's just random dudes and buckskins running in from the swap in various forms of
horrible filth, with choruses of
Yee-ha. Oh, no, they shot Augustus.
They shot John Gunt.
Remember the Alamo. Remember Dick
Hitler.
My sweet, sweet boy, Miribo has died.
What followed was more of an unorganized
fistfight cluster fuck than a military
battle. Texans on horseback and on foot
fired wildly. People just upended the rifles and
swung at Mexican dragoons with clubs
Mexicans impaled mid
with lances. Lamar
rode around firing guns akimbo
but eventually
the dragoons were driven back and the
Texans were saved from accidentally
wiping themselves out. But before he
left the battlefield Lamar reportedly
stood up at his saddle, took his
top hat off and politely
bowed to the Mexicans in a gracious
gesture who then
clapped for him.
Yay.
The Mexicans are like, we fucking love that weird bastard.
And before this, remember, okay, guy named Mirabeau Bonaparte Lamar from Georgia in a top hat is just firing guns in both hands.
This is like, I can only imagine a character Nate you would create in like an RPG.
Like Nate's Dungeons and Dragons character.
Where like all of the outfit that he's wearing is just accumulated items from across the game that don't actually fit together.
it was like
firing like musket pistols
top hat he's not wearing any pants
yeah I mean it's like
when we're talking about
the soldiers in Burma who just took their pants off
because they were shitting so much
and they want to ruin their pants
Houston was stuck dealing with the aftermath
of not really being able to reprimand
people because so many soldiers
had ignored his orders
he couldn't punish them all
exasperated by the entire situation
Hughes retired to his tent
and got hammered for the
rest of the night. Hell yeah. And then he pissed off his men even further because he just slept in
the next day. Like, he slept into like 10, 11 a.m. while in a military camp. I assume it's because
he was sleeping it off, you know. Now, the Mexican stayed where they were. And that night, Santa Ana
ordered his men to dig in. The next morning, the 21st, General Koss pulled into the camp,
bringing another 500 men with him, canceling out the Texans demerical superiority. Though Houston did
then promote Lamar on the spot
from private to commander
of all of his cavalry
yes
yes also a bit of
behind the scenes for
anyone listening
we're in the studio
and the hang
and the room is so filled
with vape smoke
that like I saw myself
on the camera
and I was like
am I on fire
because I thought
there was like
vapor coming off
me no the room
was just so filled
with vap smoke
it's the stink lines
because you believe
in method acting
I forgot that you
were in the Hague and I thought you were back in your apartment in London and you just lit up a cigarette
while we were podcasted genuinely when I saw it. I have done that before, but not today. No, the room is just
so filled with face smoke. I may have something to do with that. Meanwhile, Houston was planning out what
to do next. With his advantage now gone, he ordered a small team of riders to go around the Mexican
camp and destroy a bridge. Now, this made sure they couldn't get any more reinforcements. But it also
meant that the Texans had no clear route
of withdrawal either. As Houston
wrote, it's either we win or we
die. As this was happening,
the volunteers in the camp were getting angrier
and drunker. Because
to them, it looked as though Houston was too
afraid to fight. It is
like noon now and Houston has
not left his tent. A group of officers
as well as Secretary Rusk walked
into his tent, which you know it
smell crazy in there, to have a council
of war and to try to calm them
in down. This meeting
was solidly split between people
who were anti-Huston and pro-Huston.
The Secretary of War is very pro-Huston,
but also the conduct of this beating,
the story goes in wildly different directions
depending on who's telling it.
According to the anti-Huston faction,
they effectively shouted him down
into committing to an attack,
but according to the pro-Huston faction
and those with more of a grasp on reality,
because it's also includes Secretary Rusk,
was that Houston was calmly trying to explain to them
what his plan was
but either way
it was a screaming match
that went on for hours
it was four hours
until they finally left his tent
Houston finally leaves his tent
for the first time of the day
and orders them in to line up to attack
stinking like alcohol
probably also solidly sauce
the Texan advance was covered
by a slight hill and it was covered
by tall grass and they marched
through that which concealed them
pretty effectively in two
lines with their cannons, the twin sisters, in the middle.
Just so you can picture what this army looked like in your head,
this is a line from the Texian Iliot.
Quote,
it was those splendid army of Napoleonic proportions.
The men composed every frontier variety,
from backwoodsmen and greasy buckskins to townsfolk and frock coats and top hats,
to U.S.
Army uniforms,
to a southern man in a planter's hat,
waistcoat, and cravat.
I love being assaulted by the blood-born army
Just like the the cue for your average
Like cosplay convention
Running you down with two big cannons
Behold, it's the world's worst version of the village people
The society for creative anachronism shows up
And there's like, why are they forming up in a regimental line here
What the fuck's going on?
Jill, I got to ask, how big are these cannons?
I think they're 18-pounders.
Okay.
So they're normal field pieces being pulled by hand.
Not a fun job to have.
And then Juan Sigein and his detachment of Tejano Cowboys was still there, which is interesting
as Tejano's were the only part of the army that was free to just go home at this point.
After the massacres at the Almo and Goliad, Houston was worried that so many of his men had
like some kind of blood hatred for
Mexicans that they might shoot
them. So before the march
Houston had ordered them to remain with the baggage
or go home. To that
Juan Sagan was so
outrageously offended. He
nearly challenged Sam Houston for a
duel on the spot.
And then he's like, no, me and my
vicaros are fucking staying.
But they put a small cardboard
square in the brim of their hats
so people knew they were on their side.
Meanwhile, in the Mexican camp,
The defenders were taking a nap.
I mean, good.
Yeah.
You got to honor the time in memoriam tradition of a siesta.
And it does make sense.
Okay.
This is often like, oh, the Santa Ana is so undisciplined, whatever, he just had all of his
soldiers go to sleep, which is partially true.
But the reason for this does make sense.
Santa Ana's men had spent all night digging in while Koss's men had spent all night marching
in.
Then Santana woke his men up in the morning expecting a Texan attack.
because that's when he would have launched it.
But it never came since, remember, Houston and his boys are locked at his tent
screaming at one another.
So assuming no attack is coming that day, Santana allowed his men to get rest.
However, he did not post enough guards.
So General Castilian and Colonel Delgado were like, shouldn't we have at least one half of the
army stay awake?
Like 90% of the force was allowed to nap.
Just on the Houston tent, I just got to say, you know it's smell crazy in there.
Yeah, it's nasty.
Going down to 10% security because there's just a ton of
Seguarro Kakai around and everyone's got huge hats.
And it's like, it's stereotypical on this.
Listen, man, just going to say it.
Okay, shouts out to my fallen brother Paco Gambo.
I love you to death.
Unfortunately, he whipped shitties too hard in a helicopter in the Texas-Mexico border
doing fucking, you know, hunting tours and crash and died.
Loving to death, but he went out the way he wanted to,
which is whipping shitties and fucking just probably probably playing credence in time.
From Sonora State, moved to America as a kid, join the Army.
we met that way. We stayed great friends. He introduced me
to Sonoran food, one of the realest people ever met.
As he said to me one time, I don't
care about the stereotypes. When you see one of those
big ass cactus, you just want to take a nap.
And like, General Castilian was
like prodding Colonel Delgado.
I was like, you need to go tell him,
like, go wake him up and tell him
like, this is a bad idea. But they were
both kind of too afraid to wake
up Santa Ana and face his wrath.
Because he also just trampled
like two soldiers the other day.
maybe we need to let him rest
he's kind of a dick when he's tired
he gets grumpy if you wake him up from his now
yeah it is very funny to imagine this
like you know
the sort of weird military class structure
bullshit aside with your leaders
like if one of your leaders
like if he got really mad just like unhinged his jaw
like a snake and the swallow people whole
you're sort of like well I don't want to get on his bass side
I mean that now is the time
he isn't finished digesting the last colonel
he was mad at
Santana's just laying on the floor
with like an officer-shaped lump
in his stomach
under a heat lamp
that's why he had to lie down
and go for a sleep
exactly exactly
be careful though
if you get spook him too much
when people come in to give him
an announcement
he'll just coil around you
and he won't let go
he'll rattle his boots together
you just hear
the rattling of the spurs
then at 4.30 p.m.
The twin sisters
opened fire into the Mexican camp
Lamar charged with his
horseman towards the left flank of the Mexican
position and a Texan band
struck up a jaunty tune
which I assumed was pretty much only
fiddles and dudes blow it on jugs.
That would be haunting.
Like you've heard of the Aztec death whistle
this is the Texan death whistle.
Just like a dude named
fucking Mirabow blowing at a jug.
Mirabal has the jug. He's playing like
kind of a free, well
proto free jazz on a joke.
And it's the jug is empty
Because your commander drank everything that was inside of it
Houston rode on his horse
Which he had nicknamed weirdly Saracen
Oh
Interesting name choice
And he ordered the men to open fire
Now the attack that Houston had in mind
Was the normal infantry attack for the day
Like ranked volleying fires
Slowly advancing forward
But the Texans fire won volley
And then he orders them to stop to relax
That's when Secretary Rusk
Sprintz forward
sword at his hands,
screaming at everybody to keep charging
because if they stop now,
they'd be ripped apart by Mexican gunfire.
Once again,
losing command of his army,
Sam Houston could do nothing
but try to keep up
as the Texans broke ranks,
left all military discipline in the wind
and rushed forward.
And to his credit,
Rusk was probably right.
This first volley didn't do much of anything
other than wake the Mexicans up.
and if they just stood out there
they probably would have gotten
in more of like a slugging match
with a trained army
which they would have lost
so Rusk accidentally
turned the battle of San Jacinto
into a legendary victory
the Mexican camp was caught completely
by surprise officers woke up
trying to get their men together
but it was completely hopeless
most men suddenly awaked at a cannon fire
and musketry just ran for the hills
not even attempting to fight
some small groups of men
not entire units
did follow orders and tried to man the line.
Santana was powerless to get his force back in order.
Texans poured over the barricades at Earthworks.
Castellion was about the only commander to assemble anything
that looked remotely like an organized defense,
manning a cannon line until his men finally broke and ran,
telling their general who they did love dearly to come with them.
To that, he turned to them, doffed his hat, and said,
quote, I've been in 40 battles and I've never shown my back.
I'm too old to do so now.
Go on without me, and he turned to face the Texans sword in hand ready to die.
Seeing this secretary Rusk ran forward and tried to get his men to not fire on the old general,
I assumed because Rusk hadn't learned anything from all of the men just ignoring orders constantly,
and General Castellione was cut down by about a hundred musket balls.
Oh, all of this took less than 20 minutes.
However, the Texans were determined to get their revenge and shot and stab their way through the wounded or
the fleeing. General Moses Bryant came across a drummer boy who had a leg broken in the retreat,
who shouted up to him in Spanish begging for mercy, a language that Moses spoke. He shot the kid in the
face. Mexican soldiers ran to the Tahanos for safety, begging them, calling them their Mexican
brothers. The Tannos, the hardened-ass Vicaros, cowboys, screamed that, we're not Mexican,
were Texan, and shot them dead. Other Mexican soldiers desperate to escape.
attempted to swim across a nearby lake.
Texas Riflemen simply posted up on the lake shore
and picked them off one by one like they were hunting.
Other men pin down Mexican soldiers and scalp them.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
Dozens of Mexican corpses were found scalped.
Jesus Christ.
Fucking hell, man.
A Texan doctor gathered several wounded men together
and attempt to create a field hospital
only for Texan volunteers to simply walk through it
and murder all of his patients.
Several Texan leaders, Houston included, who had broken an ankle in the battle, attempted to stop the killing, but nobody was listening to them.
You might be wondering, where's Santana and all of this?
Well, he saw how hopeless the battle was within the first like five minutes and just got the fuck out of there.
He ran into a nearby swamp escaping the slaughter and saving his life, and he ended up spending the night there, but was captured by some Texan scouts the next morning.
By the time Santa Ana was captured and the slaughter stopped, 650 Mexican soldiers were dead, the vast majority of which were executed.
The Texans had gotten their revenge.
Now, Santa Ana may have been captured and his column defeated, but remember, the Mexican army was far from defeated in Texas in general.
This was a fact that Houston and Santa Ana both knew.
So Santa Ana did what he did best.
Went back to be president?
He switched sides.
He was brought before.
Sam Houston and immediately went about saving his own life and also working on behalf of the
Texan state. He told Houston, look, there's another general de Eurea that's out there and he's
not going to surrender. You're going to have to beat him and I don't think you can. But he'll go home
if I tell him to. But you have to let me send an order. So he does. And he does. They retreat back
to San Antonio. There's one general named General Philisola. He just picks up stakes and marches all the way
back to Mexico. Deerea's
like, I'm not following these orders
because they're obviously under duress.
But he doesn't march anywhere either.
He just kind of hangs out. But he
does stop. Word eventually
gets to Mexico about Santa Ana's defeat
and the whole nation flew flags at half
mass. Meanwhile, Santa Ana
spent weeks negotiating in captivity
with Houston, Rusk, and Texan president
Burnett. This eventually led to the
treaty of Alaska. But there's actually
two treaties of Velasco. One
for public consumption and one,
a personal agreement between the Texan government and Santa Ana, which was kept completely secret.
Okay, so please inform me of the difference between the two.
So the public one was the full withdrawal of Mexican troops across the Rio Grande River.
POWs to be released, private property to be restored to its former owners, and of course, Santa Ana to be released safety.
It should be pointed out here that the Texans, and in the treaty, slaves counted as personal property.
And the Mexican army was freeing slaves from Texans wherever they went.
and part of the agreement was you have to give them back.
To their credit, at least General Deerea refused to do that
and told all of the slaves he freed to come back to Mexico with him, and they did.
The second secret treaty was that Santa Ana was to become a Texan agent in the Mexican government.
His whole job was to go back to Mexico and through politicking and backdoor agreements,
get the Mexican state to recognize the independent Republic of Texas.
This never happens, but Texans assume that until this day came, the Mexican army would be back in force, and soon thousands more American volunteers were flooding in at a level that nobody could even keep count of them anymore.
And then, because of course this is going to happen, President Burnett forcefully displaced all Tejano's living near the Guadalupe River and gave their land to the new settlers.
Over the next several years, most of the original Tejano population of Texas would be forcefully displaced by this.
the Texan state.
And that is even to go into what they did to the native population.
Yeah.
Because it's the same thing America does.
When Santa Ana returned home, he was arrested immediately.
Most of the blame for the whole cluster fuck was laid at his feet.
And he fell out of power, at least for a couple of years, because he pops back up during
the pastry war, which we did a bonus episode on.
It's also where he gets his leg blown off.
So go listen to that.
Santa Ana is a man that's never out of power for long.
And Mexico would never end up recognizing the republics.
public of Texas. But as it turns out, that wouldn't really matter all that much. It became what you
would call now de facto independent. Texas went ahead scheduling their first elections for Congress
and president. Texans overwhelmingly voted for Sam Houston to be their first president. And then
the Texas Congress canceled all agreements that Sam Houston made with any native people within the
country, saying he lacked any legal authority to do so when he did. And then they refused to make any
other new agreements. The newly ratified Texan Constitution had significantly fewer rights for everybody
that had previously existed under the Mexican Constitution. No free black person could live in
Texas, period. Women could own nothing and could not legally act as their own person. Slavery was
not only legal, but a slave could only be freed by an act of the Texan Congress, at which point
they would have to leave the country. Jesus Christ. Texan politics.
post-independence were as insane and factionalized as they were during the revolution,
with one faction eventually led by Lamar, advocating for a total genocide against the native
population, and conquering more Mexican land all the way to California. So we almost got even
bigger Texas. While Houston generally led the other faction that wanted to govern Texas in,
let's say, a slightly more normal manner. He wanted to get international recognition, and that
recognition largely failed. The reason for this was Mexico was a much more important trade partner
for everyone. And by recognizing Texas, it could harm relations with Mexico. And there was also the
small fact that Texas was a brand new country and an avowed slave state boiled into their
constitution, much the same way the Confederacy would do in their constitution later. So that was
troubling for a lot of internet. Like, obviously there's a lot of slave countries still around.
the United States for one
that people are still doing business with
but it's more of like well they're a grandfathered in
because they own slaves when we own slaves
Texas is new that's different
also there's a lot of talk about just having
Texas be annexed by the United States
which is something that Sam Houston
comes to the conclusion like it's the only way
for us to remain independent for Mexico
but at the time there's an
argument about Texas joining the union
because they're a slave state it would throw
the balance off but by the end the only
countries that recognized the Republic of
Texas was the U.S., the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, France, and Belgium.
The foreign policy was such a failure that that's when Sam Houston just said,
I guess we need to, our true end point is joining the United States.
There is even bitter battles over where the capital should be,
and it switched several times, and only a semi-legal matter.
Sometimes people just stole the capital effectively.
Okay, tell me more.
They stole like legal archives and like money and tried to move it around.
Sometimes people in that state capital stop them from stealing city archives,
but just like beating their ass on the street.
And meanwhile, the Texan economy was absolutely in shambles.
It never fully recovered from the war.
And it would remain that way for its entire existence.
This was owing to the fact that they used their own incredibly unstable currency,
the Texan dollar.
And they decided that they did not need a central bank to manage that currency.
All of this is made worse by their number one economic.
driver, slavery-driven cotton plantations, cotton crashed out, which made it even worse. The lack of
recognition and the constant threat of war with Mexico, not to mention their tanking currency and
completely wild economic structure, made everyone kind of think investing in Texas was a really
bad idea, so people stopped. Even the constant coming of American colonists stopped, even though
land was still virtually free. It didn't take long for the majority of Texans who are living in a
collapsing slave state ran by monopoly money to start believing that, hey, maybe Sam Houston's
annexation thing was a good idea. And eventually, just shy of a decade after independence,
the Republic of Texas comes to an end and as annexed by the United States starting the Mexican
American War, which we'll talk about in a future series. It's actually funny, right before the
Mexican-American War starts, Mexico offers Texas recognition, but only upon the legal promise they'll
never join the United States
so yeah
very interesting we'll eventually cover
the Mexican American War at some point
I've wanted to cover it for some time
but you really can't talk about it without
having this as a as a foundation
so we had to do the Texas Revolution
first okay but that
is the Texas Revolution
yeah
and I will not have to make that
noise for quite some time
yeah until we eventually do the Mexican American
War and then it's like
Yehahs are back.
Yehers are back.
Yeah, you're going to yee my ha.
So fellas, how are you feeling?
I am once again delighted to learn more about just the like guys that showed up in America
around this time, like with insane names.
It's like when you leave an internet site open and like Nazis and freak show up and start
fucking just graffiti and taking it over.
It's sort of like that.
What if that's a country and you could make money?
Like, that's kind of the vibe that I get sometimes.
I mean, I feel as though I have a spiritual kid going to.
communion with the guys we've described because I am also riddled with pestilence at this
moment. So it's been interesting reading about that and be like, yeah, but there are so many
things that you take for granted that they didn't have and they still manage to become one with
the swamp. They still manage to do all kinds of feats of daring do. And yeah, this was great,
Joe. This is a really, really interesting story. And I feel like I learned a lot and also learned,
I discovered a lot of things. I'm glad I'm not old enough to have experienced. Unless I was the
world's oldest podcaster and I just was really good with.
my fucking skincare routine.
Yeah, that's the fate of all of us is I'm going to be podcasting like the fucking
god emperor of 40K grafted to a podcasting chair that keeps me alive so I can report about
the weird shit that's happening 200 years from now.
Yeah, for anyone who's listening at home, Nate, much like the end in Melger Solid 3,
if you sneak up on him three times, you get to take his spot on the podcast.
It's true.
You sneak up close to him.
If the exclamation point appears over his head, you have to start over.
Yeah.
You have to save scum, Nate.
If you don't save me, then you have to ride on the fucking skidoo with Tom at the end of the game.
And he's full of post-workout.
He's going to be smelling fucking terrible.
Oh, yeah.
Just leaking shit gas right on your lap.
I mean, the other day, me and Joe went to the gym and he gave me some of his illegal in the EU pre-workout.
And I got about like 20 minutes in.
It was like, why are my shins tingling?
I'm working out my shoulders.
That's my personal promise to everybody that comes.
works to me. I'll take you to the gym and I'll make you
see God. I remember
I was taking some kind of thing and
I think we were going to do like high intensively
repetition like interval workouts
for Army PT and I never took a supplement
before Army PT. I forget after that
because the best way I could describe
it was sort of like I think my heart rate's
normally supposed to calm down
but it kind of isn't right now
mods like it was really
bad. Heart racing like the first
time Lamar laid eyes on his cow wife
yeah like there's a there's a level you reach of like supplementation where your heart is beating so fast you actually can't feel it anymore that's what we call the sweet spot yeah but fellas that is a series but we do a thing on the show called questions from the legion and today's question is what is your favorite episode you've done this year oh that one's hard that one's very hard um i mean i did really like this series i think we did a good job shouts out
to Ani who's gonna have to edit out
all the things that we fucked up
yeah honestly I think
one of one of my favorite was
Yardy Murphy
from the other day
that was a good one
that's very kind of you I think
I think my favorite was watching you guys
so cards on the table just people are aware
my daughter became really ill it's nothing terminal
nothing serious is a regular childhood illness
but can be very serious and so she was
hospitalized for eight days and she went to the hospital
the night basically two nights before our live show
supposed to happen in London and Joe and Tom covered down for me and I basically monitored the
live stream my friend Safine came down to handle sound and so I was actually I my wife handled
the overnight that night and I was watching you guys perform on the live stream just making sure
the live stream is going okay man monitoring comments and you know relaying stuff to the tech team
and I was the whole thing of the guy who just will not stop fucking like old time you pump cart confederate
shit chasing down the trains you guys I did like that I loved that episode I was
love that episode a lot of you like not that I am in a position to it proud of you're like your
fucking dad or whatever but you know what I mean like seeing you guys I'm open in the market for
one to be fair yeah but seeing you guys run with it and the fact that like you know anybody who
watched that show came into it blind we just think that there wasn't a third co-host you guys
handled it so well that to me has been a huge highlight like a huge like high water mark so
I do think that was one of my favorite live shows that we've done I think the the episode was
really good the crowd was great and it was the first time we had a
confirmed case of someone who thought
we were led by donkeys coming into
the show and sitting down. It was an older
couple. Obviously, immediately
they had to know that we weren't them, but they stayed
for the whole show. Yeah.
And immediately got up and left. So at least
they were very polite. I hope you laughed at least
once. But I really
enjoyed that one. Also,
it's on an episode, but I love the miniature.
Yeah, absolutely. I know that
technically was probably last year.
It was, but it took a while to get. I think we didn't
actually manage to launch
sales on it until
until January.
Yeah.
I recall that being a thing.
But yeah,
yeah, yeah.
So my friend Ari Nielsen,
who is helping us out
with designing social media stuff
and posters, et cetera.
He is a sculptor.
He's a professional sculptor.
He does, like,
makes his living with figurine work.
And he,
we talked about it,
and he designed the
Doug the donkey slash
Hansier figurine for us.
And, I mean, like,
shouts out because Ari is great,
but like, you know,
figurines doesn't just because someone who does a professional
doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be like fucking life-changing
but when I saw his work I was like Jesus Christ
dude you're so good at this
I was so so happy with the real
and the fans their paint jobs
on them have been wonderful one person
got third place when I
I was in DC so I
went to DC for this convention
during which time the capital open
painting contest was going on
I was so desperately trying to
get into that hall so I
could see because I knew their figurine was in the
finals is our dog figurine that they painted wonderfully and there was like 20 people lined up outside
like okay this must be the line to get in and they're like no it's full i'm like it doesn't start for
30 minutes like oh it's full like okay but like i tried to explain to the i don't want to call him a
bouncer because it's the it's the tabletop convention they don't have bouncers i try to explain
i'm like look i host this show and someone in there painted one of our miniatures and it's in the
finals I really want to be there for it
and he's looking at me with like
eyes completely glazed over because it's an
insane thing to try to explain to someone and I
couldn't get in to see but the figurine
did get third and it's fucking outstanding
I want to say Ari he went to
some competition I think it was in
Italy I can't remember where
I want to say it might have been in Milan but it
was for this kind of thing basically for
miniatures artists basically competition
and the work he was showing pictures to me of
all of people who were in it was unbelievable
but he placed second I think he got a
silver metal for our figurine.
I know that that would never happen
to me because I can't paint for shit.
I love miniatures ever since I've
gotten into them. I'm painting a lot. I'm playing
a lot but I'm never getting a podium on that
shit. I just do it for fun and stress
relief and it's wonderful. I
also got to say
maybe a bit of a selfish one. Doing
the order was so
like so fun. It was
because it was just like so insane
looking at all the stuff and trying
to like hold it in contention.
just like the Robert Matthews voice
was just such. Oh, the
that series was outstanding. I think
that's probably my favorite series we've done
all year. We've had so much
fun. People either loved the Mickey
Mouse voice or they didn't.
We loved it. So that's why,
because we're here to make each other laugh.
Robert Matthews living in a shoe,
the electric
Jew. Yep. Yep.
That series is outstanding.
I would say
somebody once reached out and said,
I got my partner to listen to lines by telling
and this is the only show I've ever heard where it's it's I mean they thought we were all
straight but they they were correct all three of all of us are cisgender and they just have
some kind of chaotic trans energy and I was like I appreciate that that's how people feel because to
me I'm working with Kiljames Bond it feels like everything I've ever done with from with trans people
in general with work always feels like the quality of work is insanely high like the workmanship
like the professionalism is insanely high and the complete fucking bat shit nutsness is also high
but everything it's like it's so to me that's like our life goal it's not to become trans but my life
goal here is because if I wanted to do that
at this point of my life like fuck what would I have to lose
man more power to you guys man I'm here
to support you what I'm trying to say though is that like
to me it's more it's more that I want the show to sound
as good as it can I want the research to be as good as
it can I want our ability to
communicate perform to do everything to be as
professional as I can but I also want it to go
as fucking nuts as it can and
be still be funny and not become distracting
like I want to blade run it you know what I mean I want
to like it's not enough
to have a reliable family
car that gets you from point in point B when you do
we do. I want to redline that shit
and I want to fucking Akir-slide the
horse, okay? I won't
rest until I'm doing that shit.
And I'm just so grateful that
you two are also fully on board for that.
You understand that vision because like it's,
you know, it's been amazing to see it like
get fleshed out, get kind of mature
and become, you know, everything builds on top
of itself. So that's how I feel. I feel like the order
was, yeah, I totally forgot because my brain
dumps every episode. They're like, oh, you must
know so much about history. Like, no, I don't know shit. I forget
everything. But, but,
Tom, shouts out to you for researching that.
And yeah, I think as a piece, that whole thing, that was really great.
Yeah, the next terrorism series is not going to be fun at all.
Nope.
Well, if you're currently, I was also really ill during the recording of the order.
And I was still able to tell you fucking guys, you better get inside that shoe right now.
So, you know.
I can fit my family of seven and my cowwife in a shoe.
Uh, guys.
Relax, listen to the doors.
Guys, thank you so much for joining me on this four ill.
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