When Should Christian Parents DISINHERIT a Child?! | Live Free with Josh Howerton
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01:56This is a Christian boomer mom.This thing went stupid viral and with a lot of rage attached to it.It's a Christian boomer mom, and I'm pointing out boomer for a reason.I'm going to talk about that here in a second.Calling into Dave Ramsey and asking the question if her two children that have become socialist,this is her language, if she as a Christian mom should consider removing them from her will.Now, I may take this episode in a direction that you do not expect, so just roll with me,but that's the context of this.
02:30So we're going to talk three things.We're going to talk about the concept of Christians and disinheriting children.Should that ever happen?Under what circumstances?If so, what does the Bible say about it?We're going to talk about socialism a little bit because that is becoming one of the most, actually,I'll say, theological pressing questions.This is like a massive question that's rising in our culture.
02:51What does Christianity say about that?And then we're also going to talk a little bit about school choices and things like that that a lot of times we're not thinking about.Maybe like we should.Okay.That said, let's react to Dave Ramsey reacting to a Christian boomer mom.Here we go.So I am looking for some guidance from Dave and Dr. Delaney about my will.I have two daughters, one of whom is doing very well financially.
03:25She and her husband are in the 1%.And the other daughter earns about 50,000.And for several years, I felt uncomfortable about how do, like, divide up the assets.Okay, let me stop here, and I'm going to go ahead and point something out.Now, you can tell from the ages of her kids, and then you can see it, we're going to edit it so you can see it,How this went viral is somebody saying,this is the most boomer phone call I've ever heard.So really quick, I just want to riff on this.
03:52If you're not aware in our culture,especially in like younger, like kind of honestly,my generation and down,there's this like this mega rage viral undercurrentof resentment towards boomers.Like this is a big thing.That basically the narrative becomes the boomers lived in utopiaand had everything amazing,
04:13kind of like the little meme you'll,see is like a 1960s boomer dad, and it'll be like, this guy was a, you know, a gas station attendantand owned a, you know, a 2,000 square foot house and went on two vacations per year on hisgas station attendant salary. So there's kind of like this boomer resentment. Now, there's actuallysomething theological that's underneath this. And let me just point something out. And first of all,if what I say in the next 30 seconds enrages you, I'm asking you to stick with me for the nexttwo minutes and not tune out in the next 30 seconds. So here's my, here's the thesis.Whenever somebody is doing, there's this, this emotional undercurrent like this.
04:53If poor living standards are the problem, then better living standards are the solution.But check this out. If envy is the problem, there is no solution. You cannot solve an envy problemwith a money solution. Now, some of you're like, what? What are you talking about? Is envy the problem?I was going to just track with me.want to point something out. There is something that you may not be aware every generation sinceAdam has done this thing where they look at the previous generation and there is a tendency towardsenvy. I'm going to read you the Bible verse. A lot of people have never seen this in the Bible.This is Ecclesiastes 710. Say not. Why were the former days better than these?
05:35For it is not from wisdom that you ask of this. So here's what's happening. I just want to say thisreal quick and then get back to this. What a lot of times happens is people will look at theirparents' generation and they compare their parents' end-of-life situation to their beginning of lifesituation. And guess what that causes? It causes envy. And what envy will cause you to do isexaggerate your parents' generations' advantages and forget all of their disadvantages. So let mejust riff this real quick and get back to this. Okay, so let's just acknowledge something.if I'm understanding it correctly, boomer gen, that's my parents' gen.They had two legitimate advantages.
06:18Lifetime, over the zoomed out span of their life, great stock market.Number two, later in their lives.So not always.Later in their lives, great housing market.But what everybody like in my generation and down is doing when it comes to like the boomer anger is they're doing the ecclesiasee 7 thing.and they're exaggerating all the advantagesand completely memory-holling all the disadvantages.Let me list for you some of the other things
06:45the boomer generation had to go through.So the boomers were raised by the greatest generation,that's the generation one in World War II,but can I be honest,it wasn't always that great for the boomersto be raised by that generation.You had 50% of the men in that generationcoming home from World War II.
07:01So that means a bunch of them, A, actually didn't come home.You got rampant alcoholism and abuse,Let me just riff these.In 1950, American families had to spend 20% of their disposable income on groceries.It's 10% or less today.The boomer generation experienced 20 years of combat in the Vietnam War, eight years of the military draft.One in 10 men in that generation were drafted to Vietnam.I want you to pause while I'm doing these and ask yourself the question how this generation would be responding if these things happened in our generation.
07:37Probably not awesome.You had 1968, you had Martin Luther King Jr. and JFK were both killed.You had mass civil rights protests.Then you get second wave feminism.You've got abortion, birth control, and no-fault divorce all hits this generation for the first time.1969, that was the Stonewall riots.So this is the rise of the like radical LGBT ideology thing.All that happens during Boomer Gen.
08:01You got 1973 oil crisis.People sitting in gas lines for hours.hoping they'll be able to fill up their gas tank.Unemployment rates in the 70s peaked around 9%.It's 4% today.Inflation was 12%.It's 3.4% today.You got Watergate scandal.
08:23You have mass heroin addiction.All the dudes coming home from Vietnam.Then you get the 60s and 70s, the hippie movement.All the sex drugs rock and roll.So if you're like kind of the, it's kind of on the line.online there's like this massive very online dudes so kind of do this like tradwife that's kind of whatthey're looking for well what the boomer gen ad is if you're like a just kind of like a based sortof conservative guy trying to find a girl you got the 60s and 70s hippie movement it's like
08:51lots of sex and drugs um i'll just point this out anecdotally my grandfather lived in somebody else'sgarage growing up for part of his childhood and my i check with my parents my parents first mortgage rateIt was 13.8%.So I just wanted gently, like, we need to pastor ourselves and go, hey, man, we got Bible versesfor this, Ecclesiastasy 710.Hey, we need to be really careful when we're doing generational resentment.Say not, while we're the former days better than these, for it is not from wisdom that you always ask this.Okay.
09:23Now, let's keep going.I'm an everyday millionaire.But more recently, I've gotten to the point where I don't want to give either of themany money. Why? Okay. Let me do something real quick. Before I say anything else,there's going to be some parents who you watch this, and when you hear that phrase,I don't want to give many my money. There's like a wound that opens up in your heartbecause you're a Christian parent and you're looking at your adult children or youradolescent children and they're not becoming the children that you always dreamed and hoped
09:58and prayed. And I just want to let you off the map for some of you. I just want topoint this out, in the parable of the prodigal son, what did the father do wrong? Nothing.Because the father represents God. And yet, the son still rebelled. So let me just say something.If you start to notice as a parent that there's a pattern in your children, man, of course,repent, receive grace, go get some wisdom, put some grace dirt on it, get me.back up and get in there with your whole heart and soul. But some of you need to hear this.It's not your fault. It's not your fault. If in the parable of the prodigal son, a perfect fathercan still have a son rebel. That's going to happen in a fallen world. And some of you also need to
10:53hear that the father specializes in bringing prodigal sons home. So much grace to this hurting mom here.I feel like I've worked so hard my whole life.I paid for college for them.I've paid over half million dollars for college.Now what she's getting ready to do is she's explaining why she's really hesitant to give any of your children anything in her will.So pay close attention to what she says.And they've turned into socialists.And they just, but they have.
11:29Well, you're still in the wrong college.Okay, I want you to notice that phrase, you send him to the wrong college.This is a big deal because sometimes parents are accidentally making decisions that have very predictable outcomes,and then they're surprised when the very predictable outcomes happen.Notice what Dave says here, and we're going to ask a question about some things, was Dave right?Notice what Dave says here, he says, you send him to the wrong college.This is something that Christian parents need to think, listen, a lot more carefully about as we'dto disciple our kids. So let me just do a little quick theology really quick. Okay, what the Bible says,
12:05this is Abraham, this is called Kipurian sphere sovereignty. We talk a lot about it on live free.The Bible says that God has established three institutions and when those institutions are workingin the right way in their lanes, they function together for the building of society in a Godhonoring way and generally the discipleship of children and families. The three spheres, check this out,you need to get this in your head. The three institutions that equal the three spheres areare the family, the church, and the state. Now, what theologians, especially in the reformedtradition, have done, is they've assigned a biblical icon to each of the spheres. We're going toa layer deeper on this than we probably have before. So what they do, what a lot of theologians
12:44do is they go, the family's represented by the rod. Parents, it says, you know, spare not therod, so discipline and instruction. The family's represented by the rod, the church is representedby the keys, and the state is represented by the sword. So for the church, Jesus gives the keys toPeter, that's the keys, what you bind and lose. That's what he's doing there. And then the state inRomans 13, it says that God instituted the government to, quote, bear the sword. And that's not forno reason. That's what Romans 13 says. So what the Bible says, all this is going to get down to,how should parents think about what schools they send their kids to and just track with me?You know, just if you're kind of starting to clinch, just track with me. All this, we need a theology
13:23that helps us answer the question. How should we, how should Christian parents think about whatschools they send their kids to. So the roles in general that are assigned to these three spheres,the family is given the role of discipleship, health, and education, the church is word sacrament,the functions of the church, and then the state is represented by the store. That's Romans 13,the administration of justice. Now, let's go a layer deeper. Bad things happen when institutionsget out of their biblically assigned lanes. We're going to apply this both to school choicesthat parents, Christian parents make.And here in a second, when we talk about socialism
14:00and is socialism compatible with Christianity, why or why not?All this gets down to what are the biblically assigned rolesof these institutions, okay?So what some people do is they'll point at guys like me.I'm going to give an example here.They'll point at guys like me or podcasts like Live Free.And dude, it's the reason that I get disbanded from conferences.Is people say things like, hey, man, that pastor or that church
14:26is getting too political.And what I always say the same thing.I always say, hey man, the church is not getting more political, politics, or getting morespiritual.When the government stepped out of its lane of doing things like teaching math and buildingroads to doing things like redefining marriage, erasing gender, reframing infant murderas quote unquote reproductive rights, and then using the government school system toindoctrinate everybody's kids into believing those things, hey guys, church didn't move.
14:53Politics did.when the government got out of its biblically assigned lane of, hey, your only job is to administer justice, Romans 13, and got into the role of the church to start deciding what's right and what's wrong.How should we define marriage and not define? Well, here's the deal. Whoever designed those things gets to define those things. And when you remove God, the government is the highest authority left in society.So when you remove God, the government sees a job opening,and the government wants to put itself in the place of Godand do those things.So then, watch, when that happens,it becomes the role of the church,
15:33like be the little, you know, the little sedan on the highway.They kind of like dust somebody's bumperand says, hey, man, get back in your lane.That's what's happening right now.Now, let's start applying this to Dave.I'm just going to go ahead and give away my cards.Dave, and listen, I say this with gravity,because I know that parents are going to feel emotion
15:53around this. When Dave says you send them to the wrong school, Dave's not wrong. Here's what I mean.In the Bible, the responsibility for the education of children belongs to families. Watch,not governments. The primary responsibility, okay? You can do this. All the, Deuteronomy talks aboutthis, but I'll just go to New Testament. Ephesian 6.4 says this. It says, fathers, do not,provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.In other words, God looks at the leader of the family, the dad, and goes, hey, dad, it's yourresponsibility to make sure that your children are raised in the discipline and instructionof Lord.
16:37Now, here's what's happening to a lot of, like, Boomer Jen parents, Christian parents, isthat when they went through schools and the collegiate system, those were one thing, and nowthey're not that thing anymore. So we don't have time to kind of do this whole deal, but especially in the 60s,kind of especially around kind of the civil rights era movement era, that was kind of the era when Marxistscommitted to what they call it, quote, the long march through the institutions. In other words,this is a side note, it's not on my notes, but it is in my heart. What you have happening right now a little bit inAmerican society is Marxists have a plan to make America a Marxist nation. Secular progressives havea plan to make America a secular progressive nation. Muslims very much have a plan to make America
17:27a Muslim nation, but Christians always seem to have a bunch of reasons why Christians should notseek more influence in the nation. Now, we don't get political, or the only application of thegospel to society is, ah, the gospel is neither right nor left, Jesus wasn't a Republican or a Democrat.And so what's happening is godless ideologies are discipling their adherence into governmentaland social activity. And man, accidentally a lot of Christians and Christian leaders arediscipling Christians into political, into inactivity. That has had, very frankly, very predictableresults over the last few decades. So if you ask a question, now why did Marxists, we're gettingto get back to this, why does Dave say you send him to the wrong schools? Why did Marxists decide in the
18:1660s, hey man, we need to commit to a, quote, long march through the institutions, which one of theprimary aims of that long march was especially the American school systems. Okay, why? Well, in general,progressive people, this is like just data. This is not like emotional bias. This is just data.In general, progressives don't have kids. So their only goal or hope is to capture and reprogram yours.okay so what's happening to a lot of like boomers like this mom is hey man the school system was onething when I was in it but then it changed and I wasn't aware it's generally you know a lot of timesbeen captured by activists and then colleges changed from teaching kids how to think to telling themwhat to think so they moved from just doing education watch they move from just doing education
19:08to actually now what they're doing is reverse discipling your kidsif you're not very careful and very selective in who you entrust to give your childrendiscipline and instruction, okay?This is a fun little history note, and then I want to move on.So obviously, for most of American history, there was not a centralized Board of Educationin the federal government that decided what the children throughout the nation wouldbe taught.So two guys, especially in the late 1800s and 1920s, when the U.S. government started considering this at scale,
19:47there were two Christian pastors, a guy named Jay Greshamachan, old Presbyterian guy who was the head of Princeton Theological Seminary back when they actually taught the Bible.And then a guy named R.L. Dabney in 1879.Jay Gresham Machen actually testified before the United States Congress in the 1920s, essentially warning them.that, hey man, you guys might be good with the concept of like a federalized government school system now,but he warned them in the 1920s.Someday, you're going to be good with it now because all the teachers are generally Christians.There's like someday the government may be secular and the teachers may be secular.And then that government school system might end up being used to reverse disciple children into godlessness.
20:36bro, R.L. Dabney, I'm going to give you some quotes. R.L. Dabney in 1879. These are his predictionsin 1879 about what would happen if the government centralized and federalizedcontrol over the school system that educated the populace of American children. These are 1879predictions, okay? Quote, we have again and again warned the advocates of the Yankee state theory.That's who was talking about like government, let's federalized and centralized government schoolsystems, that the practical result will surely be to expel the Bible and Christianity from allthe schools and to rear us so far as state schools go, a generation of atheists.my brother was predicting this in 1879.
21:33I'm going to give you one more quote.Their complete secularization,talking about the government school system,is logically inevitable.Christians must prepare themselves thenfor the following results.Now, what are the results he's going to predictback in 1879?
21:50Remember, this is a nationthat had like Protestant catechisms,the Isaac Watts hymnal,and the Bible in the core aspects of American school curriculum for hundreds of years.What's he predicting is going to happen back in 1879.Prepare for the following results.All prayers, catechisms, and Bibles will ultimately be driven out of the schools.My brother was predicting this in 1879.
22:21Why?because when the three institutions that God has established get out of their lane and into another lane,the wrong person trying to do the right thing ends up with the wrong thing happening.Now, quick caveat, as anyone who knows me will know, this is not me saying any public school is badand you should not just veer into especially viewing school teachers as quote unquote the bad guys.you'd be crazy. My mom was a teacher for 40 years, largely in the public school system.There are a stupid number of amazing Christians in education. We need more of that, not less.And if you're one of them, we need you to be as overt as you can be about your faith in that setting.
23:14But I will just generally give a warning to Christian families. This is an old Voddy Bakum quote.If you send your kids to Caesar, don't be surprised when they come back as Romans.That's what happened to this mom.Okay.Now, let's keep going on.So we should be very, very careful about what schools, yes, even colleges we send our kids to,don't end up spending half a million dollars funding the deconstruction of your children's faith.Let's keep going.
23:51Yeah.It's funny.You're my favorite call maybe in two months.I know we're all laughing.No, we're with you.We're with you.I'm depressed.I'm very depressed about where I see my children heading.
24:07And I think I don't want my money to go to them.Okay, that's the question.That's the question.I want to ask this in a second because every parent is going to have to ask this question at some point.and every child should be asking this question as well.So let's keep you on.I feel terrible about that.You shouldn't.
24:31They're not entitled.They didn't hit the DNA lottery.They're not entitled.I'm going to come back to this.My children have been instructed since they were smallthat in order to get the opportunity to manage the money that God gave me to manage,meaning that I panned off the responsibility to manage some of the Ramsey fortune to them,they will have to be people of character.
24:53Now I'm going to come back to that.Bookmark that in your head.What he says is as a dad who earned all that moneyin order for my children to have the right,that's not a privilege, that's a right,in order to have the privilege, sorry, not a right,to manage the money that I earnedand that God entrusted to me to manage for his purposes,
25:14they have to be aligned to his purposes.Is that the right way to think?or do parents have a de facto responsibility to inherit their kids?How should we think about that?Now, watch what he says next.Socialists are not people of character.Okay.There are parasites.
25:35Now, I want to stop and talk about this real quick.If you're wondering why I'm talking about this, so as a pastor, let me just give you a little history,like, and pull back the curtain on what it's like to be a pastor.So I started being a pastor in, it was 2005 when I became a pastor for the first time.And I'm just telling you, what I watched in 2005 is that was really the steep curve of the rise of things like queer theory, aggressive LGBT ideology, and especially like, you know, you can call it different things, kind of the capital W woke kind of race movement.And what I watched happen to a generation of pastors is generally around that time,pastors were not prepared for, I call it air war, the societal questions that Christianswere going to be faced with.
26:22And so, like, bro, I know this is hard to imagine now.In 2005, I don't think I'd ever in my whole life heard a sermon about same-sex attraction,how to think about that, how to disciple people.Like, I'd never heard that sermon before.And what happened is pastors might have been a little behind the curve.And so what you had was pastors, they were answering questions nobody was asking anymore.And they weren't answering the questions that everybody was asking now.I'm going to warn you right now, this issue of how Christians should or should not think about socialism,
26:57I'm afraid if we're not careful, it's going to be like that for this generation of pastors.Let me show you this.Go ahead and toss that graph up.This is CBS News.say this.Bro, this is insane.So CBS News, our CBS News poll out of this morning finds 58% of this, particularly in onepolitical party, have a positive view of socialism, and just 32% have a positive view
27:23of capitalism.So right now, primarily in progressive circles, you have 58% of the rising generation isgone, hey, socialism good, capitalism bad, okay?So what I'm saying is, hey man, you may not like having to answer this question.For me as a pastor, I do not have the privilege of not being able to answer this question anymore.This is going to be one of the societal questions the next few years.And, oh, by the way, it has on the ground discipleship applications for people and families like this woman.So let me just briefly do a little thing about answer the question,
28:03is socialism compatible with Christianity, or what are the points of incompatibility?So zoom out and Christians have to learn to think air war, okay?Here's what I mean.In general, what you're going to notice is that it works like this.More God requires less government and less God is always going to require more government.So among a populace, when you got more God, you're going to need less government.And when you have more, when you have less God, you're going to need more government.Here's what I mean.
28:32When you have a nation of godly and honest people who are full,of the Holy Spirit and internally motivated to obey the commands of the scriptures. Do you know what youdon't need a whole lot? A bunch of police. You don't need that. Do you know what you don't need when youhave people who wake up and they have like historically, it was called a Protestant work ethic?They embodied sort of the Thessalonians mentality that, hey man, if a person will not work,they shall not eat. Do you know what you don't need when you just have a whole bunch of people whothat's their vibe. You don't need like billions or trillions of dollars of government welfare systems.So, and you could do this ad nauseum. The point is, notice this, more God, less government, less God,
29:14more government. That's why at the American founding, you had 98% of the American populace wasProtestant Christian and you had virtually like a minuscule governance. That's why. Now, there's three,I'm just going to tell you, there's three reasons in general why Christian theologians havehistorically said that socialism is incompatible with Christianity. And again, whether you like it or not,you're going to be able to, you're going to have to be able to answer this question. So number one,I'm going to do this rapid fire. Just because you call theft something else doesn't mean it stopsbeing a sin. Okay. So just because you slap a different name on it, doesn't mean it stops being a sin.There's three ways to view a person's relationship with money. You can say what was mine,
30:00is mine, and that's called selfishness.You can say what's mine is gods, and that's called stewardship,or you can say what's yours is mine, and that's called stealing,except if the government does it, and then historically we call it socialism.But just because you give it a new name,doesn't mean it stops being theft.Now, if you're like, wait a second, are you saying that all taxation is theft?No, let me come back to that.
30:21But here's the question that, like, an astute Christian thinker has to ask.at what point does a government confiscating the wealth that somebody earns become theft or does it evernow i'll just point this out as others have pointed out before me um the uh the 10 commandmentspresuppose some things for instance the seventh commandment you shall not commit adulteryit presupposes the institution of marriage okay the commandment doesn't make sense without thatpresupposition. The Eighth Commandment, You Shall Not Steal, it presupposes private ownership.Okay. Now, classical socialism cuts against private ownership, but the Ten Commandments arebased upon the presupposition of private ownership. So here's the question some people have
31:10tried to ask, and I don't have a specific answer. Honestly, it's more art than science, I think.some people have tried to go, hey man, when does government confiscation of wealth that someone else earns become stealing?Here's what some people have said, and I think there's a logic to this.It's going to blow your mind.What some theologians have said historically is anything over 10%, anything over 10%.And the point they've made is that God is first.And what God does in particularly the Old Testament, but the principles pulled over into the new,is that as God is first, 10% of everything that we earn,
31:52we return to God and acknowledge that it's His.And what some people have done, if they go, hey, man,whenever a human entity or a government exceeds 10%,what they're de facto doing is implying a preeminence over God.I will just say this is interesting to me.You need to put on your theological thinking cap,pray, open your Bible, and figure out what you think.in 1 Samuel 8, the prophet Samuel warns the people of Israel, hey, if you take a king like all the other nations,
32:26he's going to do this insane thing, this insane thing. He's going to take up to 10% of everything that you get,and he's going to keep it for himself as the leader of the government. This insane thing.Now, that's interesting to me.So number one, socialism, as some point, governments can steal, and that's a sin.Okay?Number two, I'll just point this out, historically zoomed out, and again, there's different definitions, but historically zoomed out, socialism creates poverty, it does not solve it.So here's a principle that Christians need to get in their heads.With governments, you tend to get more of what you incentivize and less of what you penal.
33:12I'm going to say it one more time.With governments, you tend to get more of what you incentivize and less of what you penalize.So socialism is like, hey, man, everybody just, it's Mom Donnie's, the warmth of collectivism.Let's just pool all of our resources collectively and give it to the government.And then the government will distribute it each according to his needs.That's the phrase, okay?Here's a problem.Big problem, Skippy, is you're not asking the question, what human needs?
33:42behaviors are we incentivizing and what human behaviors are we disincentivizing? That is the opposite ofthe spirit of Thessalonians when the Apostle Paul says, if a man will not work, he shall not eat.Why does the Apostle Paul say that? Because God understands human nature is default mode sinful,and so we need real world incentive structures to incentivize fallen people towards righteous,fair behavior. Okay? So you got to ask this question. This is why, okay, let's go a little spicy,this right here, with governments you get more of what you incentivize and less of what youpenalize. This is why states and cities that throw billions of dollars at homelessnesstend to end up with more homelessness. They do not solve homelessness. Why? Because with human
34:35governments, you tend to get more of what you incentivize and less of what you penalize. When you tellpeople the government will provide for you, you're not solving poverty. You're incentivizingactivity very frequently. Now, if you don't believe me, I'm going to show you two pictures,okay? This right here, that. That's Hiroshima, after 80 years after an atomic bomb. That'sHiroshima, 80 years after an atomic bomb. Okay, next picture. That's Cuba, 60 years after socialism.Okay. One city can survive an atomic bomb. The other society could not survive 60 years of socialism.So check this out. Christians have to learn to stop being children in our thinking, like the Bible says.Listen, Christians do not measure policies by their intentions, but by their outcomes.
35:35It does not matter if the intention of a policy is to, quote, solve poverty and care for thepoor.If its outcome is to create poverty and multiply the poor, it's evil.Okay.Now, last thing, and then let's get to this question that he's asking about disinheritance.How should Christian parents think about this?he calls socialist parasites and even though that's i'll just say it that's not their intention he is notwrong frequently is not wrong okay here's why i say that um how does the bible say giving should be done
36:09it says willingly and not under compulsion i should want to point this out what people whogenerally lean towards socialism say is they say that man their motive is to be generous and to care forthe poor that's what they say and honestly for for some of them i i've i'vebelieve them. I genuinely believe a lot of them have a genuinely altruistic spirit.Okay. But I do want to point this out. When you get to the actual data, in general, Christians andconservatives are three times more generous with their own time and money than progressives,three times. So like back in 2016, when Bernie Sanders had a little run for president andhis income tax returns came out, the guy who was supposed to be the generosity candidate, the care for
36:55the poor candidate. His tax returns came out and he was giving around 1% of his income to charity.Same thing with Pete Buttigieg a few years ago, 1%. Biden in 2008, less than $4,000 given a charityover an entire decade. Okay. So here's what I'm saying. Again, I'm trying to help you thinkas a Christian. What happens a lot of times is progressives and Christians are often using the sameglossary, but using a different dictionary. So they're using the same words, but they have differentdefinitions for those words. When Christians use the word generous, we mean generosity with our own money.When progressives use the word generosity, they tend to mean voting for the government to forciblyredistribute other people's money. Okay. So that's it. There's these these are the reasons.
37:43Now all this, I just want to kind of land the point on this. What you're going to notice is it'skind of like progressive people who lean socialists, what they tend to do, they tend to be aninverse correlation between faith and socialism for a reason, more God, less government, less God,more government. And generally what they'll do is these people, the same people, they'll laughat you as a Christian for believing in an all-powerful, all-good God. Those same people think if wejust made the government all-powerful, it'd be all good. Good luck with that. Okay.Now, let's keep going on.We're going to get to our land-the-plane with the question.
38:26And so if my children are going to be parasites, I'm not going to finance their lives so that they have a reality show.Is there a way to put money in, let's say, a trust where they couldn't get access to it to they were, let's say, 70 years old?Well, I mean, then they'd just be a 70-year-old socialist, right?Watch what he says here.hoping by then they will have kind of woken up. You can. I put mine is my all of our estate istrust based and our trust is um we've done it from a faith perspective not an economics perspectivebut if they're not walking with God they don't get to manage God's money. There it is. Okay,here's what he says. If they're not walking with God, they don't get to manage God's money.
39:12And he said it earlier, his children have been raised in an environment where they know,So, hey, man, for you to receive the ability to manage the things that me and your mom earned,you've got to have generally the same values that me and your mom are living for.Now, here's a question.The question is, is it wrong for parents?How should parents think about this?Should Christian parents think about removing children from their wills who are living in rebellion against God?Okay, now again, let's go back to the, let's do a little theology really quick.
39:44We already mentioned in the Bible, you've got three.institutions, family church, and state. What some theologians have historically done is that they've noticedthat in the Bible, this is very interesting, there's an ultimate penalty in each of those fears forsomebody who lives in high rebellion. So notice this. The ultimate penalty for the church is outlined in1st Corinthians 5, and it's excommunication. If you are a member of a church that's living an openrebellion against God in unrepent and sin, you know it, you don't care. It's a,you know, little leaven, leaven's the whole lump. The Bible commands the leaders of a churchto remove that person from the church. That's 1 Corinthians 5. Now, in 2006, that's going to go
40:29internet viral and, you know, all the things will happen, but pastors are still commanded to do it.In the state, the ultimate penalty for rebellion is the death penalty. The death penalty is biblical.even in the New Covenant, Romans 13 talks about the government, quote, bearing the sword not in vain.Now, let's get down to it.What is, here's what some theologians have done, what is the ultimate penalty for high rebellion and open unrepentant sin in the family?What some Christians, theologians have done is they've gone, man, it's disinheritance.That this is a biblically permissible response from parents.tragic, very emotional to open rebellion against them and their lord. A couple examples that a lot of
41:21people probably miss. In the Bible, Jacob disinherits his son Ruben. Remember Ruben slept with one ofhis dad's concubine, so honestly, dad should have a little bit on you there. Dad shouldn't havea concubine. Rubin sleeps with his dad's concubine, and Jacob disinherits him from his birthrightand it goes to Joseph.The other thing some theologians have doneis they've looked at Old Covenant New Covenant continuity,and they've pointed out that in Deuteronomy 21,the penalty for, go read Deuteronomy 21,
41:57the penalty for a child living in open rebellion,open defiance against their parentsafter discipline and instruction and love and pleadingand all these things.in Deuteronomy 21 was the death penalty for an openly defiant, rebellious child.God frequently talks, I'm reading Leviticus right now, my personal Bible reading,and he'll talk about them being cut off from among their people.So what some theologians have done is they've gone, hey man,
42:33obviously, if you were to receive the death penalty, you do not receiveyour inheritance. Now, quick caveat, obviously there's old covenant, new covenantdiscontinuity in the civil penalties for these things. So Christian parents today are not advocatingfor death penalties for rebellious children under the new covenant. I just got to get that in there.But we're asking this question about disinherence. Now, let me just get down to like brass tax and talk abouthow what I think about this, what we should think about it. I'm just going to tell you how me and Janahave decided to think about it.There's a lot of things here that go into wisdom and stewardship questions.
43:18Number one, I have decided I am not going to fund rebellion against my Lord.That's a principle for me.Number two, what, like if you watched this post, like people just unloaded on Dave for this.I mean, capital, you unloaded.And we'll be honest.some of it I watched and I was like man what an unfair entitled attitude towards your parentswhat a lot of the reactions to this boiled down to was kids saying I'm furious my parentsaren't going to give me the money they earned to fund a lifestyle that tears down everything
44:01they believed in I'm sorry man like there's a little bit of me in this like who do you thinkyou are now we got some things to balanceNotice in the parable of the prodigal son in the New Testament, the son has a rebellious spirittowards the father, and the father still chooses to give the son part of his inheritance.That's interesting.You might be seeing there kind of a shape of the gospel.While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.And the book of Roman says, it's God's kindness that leads.
44:39us to repentance. Huh, how do I factor that in? I'll also point this out while we're talking aboutDeuteronomy 21. I'm giving you principles and then I'm going to talk about how we might synthesize them.Deuteronomy 21, here's a warning. It gives a specific command against what I might call like revengedisinheritance. Like I'm kind of ticked at one of my kids. I don't like one of my kids. And it's reallyjust an emotional reaction rather than a godly principle that we instilled.in the air that our family breathed from a young age.So what we are not allowed to do is sort of just revenge, disinherit kids that are kind ofticking us off a little bit.
45:21Now, let me talk real quick about how Jan and I right now have decided to synthesizethese principles as Christian parents.And I'm not saying you've got to do these things.What I'm encouraging you to do is open your Bible, pray, ask the Holy Spirit for guidance,and do what he tells you to do, okay?what me and Janner are doing, and some people probably unload on this, but I'm just telling you what we've decided to do.What we've decided to do is we've literally, God comes first, he is first, and we want to treat him first in our children and our children's children.And what we're praying is that, like the Lord says, that we want to see people with the last name of Howard and throwing haymakers for the kingdom of God, quote,
46:06the 10th generation. And so we want to model for our children what it looks like to put him firstbecause he is first. So what we've decided to do was we wrote into our will to leave the first 10%of our inheritance to the kingdom of God. And we designated it that way. And then this may be wrong,and I may come back and change it. But essentially, we just have a little note in there that says,hey, we already tithed on the inheritance, so you don't have to. That's why it's our money. And wewe typed on it for you so you don't got to so that's what we did we went hey first 10% goes to himthat's what we did okay now what we want to do is if our children are generally walking with thelord we want to leave that to them so that they can grow up raise Christian families and we can
46:55keep passing the howerton baton of faith to the children and their children to the 10th generationbecause as parents we just have this deep thing inside of us that wethat we believe that the most important thing we do with our lives is probably not somethingwe accomplish. It's probably going to be somebody we raise. Okay. So what we've decided to dois generally in our home is just already to start just generally talking about, hey, kind of what Dave'sdoing here. It's the air that we're raising our family in is, hey, everything that we have andeverything we are, it belongs to the Lord. And so in order to have the right to manage God,God's things, you've got to generally be walking with the Lord, okay? Because our allegiance is to the Lord
47:41and to His kingdom. Now, as a parent, and somebody may just tee off on me on this, but I just want topoint this out. One thing that happens when you begin to do things like that is we want to createas many, watch my language, primary and secondary motivations for Jesus to win all the 50-50 ballsin our kids' lives at critical junctures in their life.So everybody's going to have moments when they're like right there on that spot and you're the sophomore in college and you're like, hey man, am I going to go this way or am I going to go this way?Am I going to do that thing or am I going to do that thing?We want to create as many incentives as Christian parents so that in that moment in the back of our kids' heads, even if the primary motivation that we want, which is just I love Jesus and I can't believe he died for me.And because he gave me everything, I want to give him everything with my life.
48:34That's the primary motivation we want.But we want some fail safes too.We want as many secondary motivations.So in that moment when the primary motivation might fail,there's like that Jesus wins a 50-50 ball.And I actually am totally okay with a little thing in the back of my kids' mindswhere they start going, man, there's some serious real-world consequences for me takingoff the team Jesus jersey.
49:03and go on to Team World or Team Satan Jersey.I want that.Now, let me go to a third thing.This for us, we're not looking for perfection.That's not what we're looking for.I'm just talking about children who have a general orientationtoward the things of God.So, you know, I'm not, hey, this is not a,
49:27hey, Hudson, you've got to be a fourth generation pastor.You got to have my exact theology, you know,I'm just talking about we want somebody who's generally moving in the direction of the Lord and his kingdom.I'll tell you another thing that we've decided, and let me just give you, this is what we've decided,that may give you a caution.What we didn't want to do is have that principle be something that we just sprung on our childrenat the end of our lives, or that they find out for the first time,in our will. We didn't want that. Why? Because then I feel like you do run the risk of it feeling
50:10capricious and vengeful rather than a principle rooted in Team Howerton is on Team Jesus. And everything wehave and everything we own belongs to him. So we want it to be the air they're raised in so that if theymake that decision later in their lives, and by the way, we do not expect that. We like thelike the word says, we walk in faith,we are sure of better things.Okay, we walk by that faith.But we didn't want that to be somethingthat might feel capricious.
50:44So that's how we've chosen to do it.And I will say, I did some reading about this,what someone might,somebody might just pray, open their Bible,walk by the leadership of the spirit,and make a completely different decision than me.What I would say is that's fine, okay?but what someone might choose to do is if their children were in that situation,
51:09they might choose to like, hey, we want to, out of love for our children and generosity and grace,at least take care of their needs and make sure their needs are met.Give them a leg up in the world as an expression of gospel grace and mercy.And then maybe not go above and just state it because we don't want to end up funding in the next generation.don't want to fund someone living a life in open rebellion against everything that we believedand stood for. So that's what Jan and I have decided to do in our lives. What I wouldencourage you to do is open your Bible, pray, ask the Holy Spirit for wisdom, and do whateverhe tells you to do. Bonus episode over.
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