Living The Red Life - From Hollywood to Hustle: Unpacking the Entrepreneurial Mindset

Episode Date: June 26, 2025

About the Guest(s):Rosalind Sanchez is a talented Puerto Rican actress, singer, songwriter, producer, and writer, known for her dynamic presence in Hollywood. With nearly three decades in the entertainment industry, she has appeared in numerous television shows and movies, captivating audiences worldwide. Rosalind is also a co-host of the popular podcast "He Said Idio," where she explores family life, parenting, and the nuances of the entertainment world alongside her husband.Eric Winter is a respected actor and former firefighter, recognized for his dedication to both acting and entrepreneurship. Initially pursuing a career in medicine as a pre-med student at UCLA, Eric transitioned into the entertainment industry through modeling. He has starred in several TV shows and currently portrays Tim Bradford on ABC's "The Rookie." In addition to his acting career, Eric has recently ventured into entrepreneurship with the launch of his own brand, Palmer Public Rum.Episode Summary:Hollywood power couple Rosalind Sanchez and Eric Winter, explore the intersection of entertainment and entrepreneurship. The discussion delves into the realities of working in show business, the unpredictable nature of personal success, and the hard-earned lessons they've garnered throughout their careers. As they share their experiences, listeners gain insights into navigating both the entertainment industry and the challenges of starting a business.Rosalind and Eric candidly discuss the unpredictability of Hollywood, where talent and hard work don’t always guarantee success. They stress the importance of embracing the process and learning from setbacks. With Eric sharing his journey in launching Palm Republic Rum and Rosalind directing her latest film, the couple emphasizes that staying true to oneself and surrounding oneself with knowledgeable individuals is key in both acting and entrepreneurship. Their honest exchange highlights that, while the glitz of Hollywood may be alluring, the road to success is fraught with challenges that require perseverance and belief in oneself.Key Takeaways:Embrace the Process: Success in entertainment and entrepreneurship requires falling in love with the journey, including the inherent ups and downs.Authenticity is Key: Staying true to your identity and beliefs is crucial when navigating business ventures, especially personal brands.Surround Yourself with Experts: Recognizing one's weaknesses and enlisting knowledgeable partners can elevate a business and ensure a pathway to growth.Resilience in Adversity: Both guests share personal stories of rejection and setbacks, illustrating the importance of perseverance and not giving up.Entrepreneurship Requires Learning: Every entrepreneurial journey starts with small investments and learning from failures, emphasizing the growth mindset needed for success.Notable Quotes:"You have zero control over if you’ll be successful or not. All you can do is put in the work." – Eric Winter"At some point, you have to fall in love with the process, otherwise, you will never survive." – Rosalind Sanchez"You have to stay true to your identity and who you are... because when you allow anybody else to use your name and do whatever they want, you go to bed unhappy." – Rosalind Sanchez"There’s just zero control, there’s zero guarantee that you will ever be what you’ve signed up to be." – Eric Winter"What you have to think outside the box... if you really believe whatever you’re selling, go for it and don’t allow others to deter you." – Rosalind SanchezCHAPTERS2:22 - The Journey to Entrepreneurship4:48 - The Unpredictable Journey of Success in Hollywood and...

Today we're going to dive into the bridge between entertainment and entrepreneurship. And I couldn't think of a better couple to do this with. Thank you for having us. Thank you so much. Excited. Roslyn Sanchez and Eric Winter are a dynamic Hollywood power couple celebrated for their enduring partnership on and off screen. Roslyn is a multi-talented Puerto Rican actress, singer, songwriter, producer and writer, while Eric is a respected actor and former firefighter who has built a multifaceted career

in television and media. Together, they co-host the popular podcast, He Said A.O.D. Ho, where they share candid insights on family life, parenting, and navigating the entertainment world. You have zero control over if you'll be successful or not. All you can do is put in the work. I understood hard work equal results

and that's just not entertainment. And at some point you have to fall in love with the process otherwise you will never survive. But what a free entrepreneurial lesson you've learned that you would either tell yourself if you was restarting or someone starting a business or even one or two. So my advice to people doing business.

My name is Rudy Moore, host of Living the Red Life podcast. And I'm here to change the way you see your life in your earpiece every single week. If you're ready to start living the red life, ditch the blue pill, take the red pill, join me in Wonderland and change your life. Hello and welcome back to another episode of Living the Red Life.

Today we're gonna dive into the bridge between entertainment and entrepreneurship. And I couldn't think of a better couple to do this with. Here with two people you'll probably recognize if you're on video Rosalind Stanches and Eric Winter, very well known actors in many movies and shows, some of your favorites I'm sure, and I got the pleasure to become friends with them over the last few months. We filmed season two of 60 Day Hustle and connected ever since. And yeah, I'm excited.

Welcome guys. Thank you for having us. Thank you so much. I'm excited. So I know when we met, we got chatting, two things stood out for me. Number one was a shared passion for dogs that I'll always remember.

And the discussions about what you were doing overseas that I'd love to dive into but then also the entrepreneurial ventures that you're diving into if you're not busy enough acting you're trying to start brands and businesses so I want to talk about both but if people don't kind of maybe know who you are do you mind just giving an overview of what you guys are up to and have done in the past? So my name is Rosalind like you said Rudy I am from Puerto Rico born when I was raised in Puerto Rico, moved to the States when I was almost 22 years old, with a dream of doing Broadway. My main goal was to do musical theatre and then you know, life has a really funny way of doing things. I booked my first job in English was As the World Turns, a soap opera, while I was in New York and then

after that continued doing TV and movies and never went back to Broadway, but we'll be good to it soon. And then, you know, almost 30 years doing this thing that I love very much, like any business ups and downs, but very blessed and excited. And I've been, yeah, movies and TV and now a podcast with my husband. We have two kids We've been together for almost 20 years now And just trying to continue growing as a as a entertainer and now Getting into branding and and businesses and loving life

Yeah, it's I mean, uh, listen, I have a very opposite journey when it comes to my path. I'm LA born and raised, but I went to school to be a doctor. I was at UCLA, a pre-med student, and thought that was my journey, but got wrapped up in entertainment through a random way and went down a path of modeling and acting. And I've been on various TV shows and movies,

currently on a show called The Rookie on ABC. And I've always had a mind for business. I mean, since we've been on each other, it's just something that's been passionate to me, probably instilled by my father to just learn and try to grow. But I've never really, until the past year and a half, other than investing in little things,

I've never taken a leap to try to start a business. And this past year has been a big growth process for me as I launched my first brand with a partner. But from the early stages to now, we're about a year in, and it's been a lot of fun, a lot of ups and downs and learning, but it's been great. Good, well, I would love to start with, I get to hang out and chat and work with and

partner with a lot of famous people and people that most people get to watch on TV and admire. But I would love to start with like, it's not all sunshine and rainbows, right? We were just talking about this offline. And people know that in entrepreneurship, most of my listeners are entrepreneurs with businesses. But is it the same in TV and Hollywood? And if so, can you talk about that? In my opinion, one of the most difficult businesses, and here's why I'd even say it's more difficult than most things out there,

is even if I'm in business, right, and I'm starting a brand and a product, the product can, it's still subjected to people liking it or not. But there is something that you're putting out that either people have to be sort of black and white in a lot of ways. It works, doesn't work. It's good or it's bad. Any kind of thing in the creative art space, it's all subjected to somebody else saying it's good enough, or it works for them, or

you have zero control over if you'll be successful or not. All you can do is put in the work. And I grew up as an athlete my whole life. I understood hard work equal results. And that's just not entertainment. I mean, you can sometimes it comes down to like one audition, right? Like I've heard that, you know, you press,

and then it's like this one thing, they just maybe don't feel like you're a good fit this time, they wanna go with someone else. It's a light mean in a bottle. I'm gonna give an example, like we're doing this podcast, Rudy, and after this, I have to go to a lunch with a director, I've never met him.

I read the script last night, it's gonna be shooting in Brazil. Really, really good material. Really great leading actor. And listen, I've been doing this a long time. So you'll think that at some point, maybe, just maybe, you don't have to do this song and dance and just go and meet somebody and be like,

hi, and move your ass. I'm like, hi, you know, I mean, I like just trying to convince somebody within an hour. It's not even an audition. It's just a meeting. And you just go listen. Okay, it is what it is. Let me take a little bit of like, eat some humble pie Ross. There's thousands of women that will love to do this ball. there's thousands of women that will love to do this role. Bigger names than you, not as big as you in terms of awareness or fame. And we're all competing for the same thing, but it does, nothing changes.

It's like, I am a mother of two. I've been doing this for so long. And here I am at 52 years old, one more time going to meet somebody that I might remind him of his ex-wife. And he says, you know, I don't want her. Or he might think my accent is not suitable for the role. And you're like, oh my God, when is it going to end? It's part of the process. And at some point you have to fall in love with the process. Otherwise you will never survive. I think that part is so key, the full because it's the same in business.

Right. We were talking about have to fall in love with that process. And part of that process is a lot of failures and heartache. 100 percent. There's a lot of crossover in business for sure. Granted, you can put a product out that people will agree with or not, but you're taking a chance on yourself believing in something There's no guarantee a lot of failure, you know a lot of other professions I would talk to people it's like you go to school to be a doctor. You'll be a doctor

You know any of you you eventually be there you're gonna be a lawyer You'll have a lot of you go You know there are certain things that are just a linear path where you will get to the end point and you'll have a job But there are other things like entrepreneurship in the creatives where there's just zero control. There's zero guarantee that you will ever be what you've signed up to be. You get a theater degree, it means nothing. It doesn't mean you're going to be a working act. You got a degree doesn't mean you're going to pay your bills. I guess that's kind of like you get a business degree. It doesn't mean it's going to work.

Yeah. It's funny. I was just talking to a friend about this. He's an investor actually in my company. He's a very successful data marketing company. And as you know now, I mean, before when I was asking, when this started, did you even know this is going to be a thing? And like data marketing when we started wasn't a big deal.

People weren't paying attention. We were like the early sending mailers out to people's homes. He went and got a standard business degree, learned nothing about what he does now in this company that they're about to sell and make a ton of money on. But it shows you a business degree is the foundation, but there's a lot of evolution in that process to get to be successful. Yeah. Well, I think we have about 100 staff

and I don't think I think maybe one of the staff has like a marketing or business degree just per comp. Wow. It's like the experience, right? There's probably a lot of famous actors have no like, you know, they just practice and they become great, right? And it's just- 100%.

Yeah. Especially nowadays with the, because social media is so huge and you get these kids, some of them are very, very talented, you know, but they just become TikTokers and they do crazy stuff. And they have- And they lose. And they get offered a role to be the lead of a movie

when you have 2,500 super highly qualified talented kids that deserve that role, you know? so it's it's a very ungrateful It's it's it's it's a trip. This business is a trip What is one like I love to ask before I go into the business side? One time where you had to have the mindset to keep going one failure or one doom and gloom Look, maybe people don't see right in Hollywood They see the the movie you make or the show you make and how awesome that is and the red carpet event. There was ever a time where it was like, oh, this sucks.

I mean, I could speak to myself. There's many times when it sucked. I walked away from the business in my 20s and I always wonder like where I would have been now if I didn't walk away for a couple of years because I got again, I'm used to hard work equals results. That's just how my brain was wired. And I got very tired of putting in all this hard work and not getting the results that I wanted. And I didn't wanna just struggle and not make money. And there was a point where I never forget,

it was a, I don't remember what the exact role was, or maybe I do, but it was for Dawson's Creek. And I auditioned, I got all the way down to the wire. I was like, this is a role that could game change my career. Didn't get it. I finally said, I'm done. I'm not gonna do this anymore. I took a break, called my agent, said I'm out.

They're like, what do you mean you're out? I said, I'm not coming back to acting. Went down the path to be a firefighter, paramedic, was actually through every step of the LAFD process to just basically getting my letter to go to the ACAD. And 9-11 happened. I had a very good modeling career. I wasn't able to travel overseas anymore right away, like easy. Clients stopped booking the big international travel. So I was out, I wasn't making the money I was making to survive as a model. And out of nowhere, my agent said, there's an audition for a soap opera. I'm not doing a soap opera. Well, there's two soap operas, passions and days of our lives. And I go and I read, I was like, fine, whatever. And as the first

time I probably didn't care at all. I was just like, I'm going to go do whatever I do, but I don't care because I don't really want to do this. And I think that weight of not caring is what got me over the hurdle. And I ended up booking both of them had to pick which one I was going to do and ended up on days. And from then on became a working actor, which is wild. I quit and came back. Should you have a story like that to share? I think it only happened once. I was already with Erica.

I don't know if we were married. You remember Cutthroat, that pilot? Yeah. Oh, yeah. The thing with me is like Eric wanted to be a doctor, like he didn't grow up like wanting to be like an entertainer. You know, my my my life journey was very different because I have very much a stage mom. I had a stage mom growing up.

So at four, I was dancing ballet. At six, I was playing piano. At 12, I was doing commercials in Puerto Rico. So it's like, it's all I knew. So my entire life, this is what I wanted to do. To this day, I absolutely love acting. I love singing, I love dancing. I can't see myself doing anything else.

So my north was always very, very clear. And I've been really lucky and really blessed because I have worked consistently my entire life. But there was one specific moment that I was dying to finally have my own show. I'd be the number one on a call sheet on a TV show. And I get that opportunity. The network, the head of the network, um, didn't see me doing it. Didn't want an accent, even though it was a Latino, uh,

role. He just didn't want me. He didn't see me. And I fought for that really like you wouldn't believe because the more you tell me no, the more I'm going to to you no it's me they wanted me to test my agents are saying you know you shouldn't test you should it should be an offer I'm going you know what I guess I'm gonna have to fight for it and I fought for it and I got it because I knew I'm the right person for this to make the story short three days before we about to start shooting they let me me go. He just couldn't get over the accent. Couldn't get over me. He just didn't see me doing it.

It was to this day, the most devastating blow of my life. I was like, I don't understand. I don't deserve this. I'm a good person. I know I can kill this role. I worked so hard. It was really bad. Like I was in bed. She went through a slump like I'd never seen. I was like, I, but not once did it cross my mind to be like, I'm out.

I know it was about this sucks. I hate life right now. Oh my God, God, explain to me what is the lesson. But I know that I'm going to move past this. And I did. It still hurts. But it was, yeah, I've never been to the point that I just go, I'm out. I'm just going to take a couple of years off. I don't want to do this anymore. And I'm done. I'm always like, and I think it's something, it's a learning mechanism, maybe because of my upbringing as well,

that I just, I call it gringolas. You know how horses have, the things that you put on a horse, why you call them? Liners. Liners. Like my life is that I don't see it, it doesn't affect me.

We just got to know. I think she takes hits harder than I do though. Yeah. Like I did quit and I came back, but I think every hit in the business. Hits you harder. Like when she gets laid out on something, doesn't get a part, doesn't get something, it affects her more deeply.

I'm usually like, oh, I'm bummed out for them. Because I really care. Because I really say I don't care. Oh, my God. I really I really I'm getting much better, though as much. Yeah. I'm getting much better though. I'm getting much better. There's something that I'm going to have. You know what, Rudy,

and this is something that is going to translate into business. I don't know if it's related, but I was able to have a business venture with a big, big, big department store that we thought, oh my God, this is going to be amazing, and this is going to translate into all different departments, and I'm just going to be the next Latino Martha Stewart. You know, like, I'm just going to, it's going to be huge. And, and it looked like an incredible

business opportunity. And it was until I realized I have zero say they're using my name. They're doing everything they're designing. They they're doing name. They're doing everything. They're designing. They're doing everything and they're saying they are making me a part of it but the second I will give any kind of feedback or like, guys, I wouldn't wear that. It doesn't speak to me.

Can I do it this way? I was met with resistance and you don't know what you're doing. To make the story short, this is something that I'm going to advise people like us that are, we're not born entrepreneurs, you know, that we're doing something completely different to businesses and now we're transitioning into businesses. You have to stay true to your identity and who you are and what

you believe because when you allow anybody else to use your name and do whatever they want and you go to bed unhappy and you go to bed going, but I will never wear that. Why am I lying to people? You know, it was such a learning experience and I wanted to see the big picture Ross and you shut up, shut up, shut up. It can potentially make a lot of money. Just shut up. Just follow the experts.

Just shut up. But I was going to bed unhappy. And at the end of the day, you know, the universe has a way of working that God got me out of it. Because he was like, you know what? This is not for you. This is not for you. So my advice to people doing business, it doesn't matter what line of business you want to do. If it's your face, if it's your likeness, if it's your name, if it's your baby, just stay true to yourself. Love that. Yeah, love that. And I think, I think that, you know, it's funny we joke about this, you know, entertainment versus entrepreneurship, but the

blend, it crosses over so well. And so that leads me to the last part of this. Tell us about the entrepreneur ventures, what motivates you to get into those? But also, like, how do you find that? Is it like starting back at ground zero now? Like you learn in this whole new industry? 100 percent. I mean, I would say my journey into entrepreneurship started with just little investments and believing in other companies. And I lost, you know, all my early investments failed. Well.

All of them. The first few, I think I lost my mom. Not that they were bad investments. It was just, I didn't understand the business side of things. I was trusting in something that I had no, again, I didn't have control over. I was just sort of an investor. And I didn't know what to look for and what could work or not work. I hedged my

bet. Since then I learned, I've learned a lot and I would say, you know, just this past year and I credit Roslyn as being the one that convinced me to even go do a start a business and which is, you know, Palmer Public Rum. I've got, I love alcohol, not like an alcoholic, but I enjoyed drinking casually, but I enjoyed rum and that was due to her and meeting her dad for the first time and sipping on a premium rum and realizing, wow, this is not what I thought rum was.

But her giving me the belief to say, Eric, go do something that you enjoy, build a brand. You can find people to work with that will help educate you. And that's what happened. I took those chances and it was a lot more nerve wracking because I was putting my face on something. I was putting my brand, so to speak, that I built behind it. My capital was obviously going into it as well. And it was stressful. She was there. I mean, it's still stressful, but every step of the way, it's been a learning experience and putting what I've learned enough is I need to put great people

around me that can make up for any weakness I have. I'm not definitely not somebody that will say, I don't have any, I have plenty of weaknesses. I know my strengths and I know where I need help. And by putting great people around me, I've been able to learn a lot more, bring the company to a place where we're doing well and we're gonna continue to grow. But that's, I think in anything, you gotta put great people around you.

I think so, you know, and I see myself when it comes to Palm Republic, I don't drink alcohol. I've never have. So, but I knew that rum was something that he was going to be able to do really well. And I see myself as, I think I'm a producer at heart. You know, I'm a great connector. I love producing. I love bringing people together. And I'm under the philosophy that when you're going to start anything, you need a great operator to guide you through. You need people to elevate you.

You need people that know more than you. Like I directed my first movie. I never went to film school to direct. And for years I was like so intimidated going, but I don't have the technical language to communicate with a DP, director of photography. So for years people have said, Ross, you should direct, you should direct. I just feel ignorant. Like I know exactly the story that I wanna tell.

I know the movie, I have it edited in my mind, but I don't know how to communicate with an editor or a DP. Until I was like, you know what? That's why I have somebody that is better than me and is the great DP. All I have to say, this is my vision board. This is not vision, but this is my storyboard. These are the shots that I want. I might not tell you, this is my vision board. This is not vision, but this is my storyboard.

These are the shots that I want. I might not tell you, get me a 150 lens. I don't know what a 150 lens is, but I know that I want to hear. What I want to hear, you know? So I was able to understand when I don't know something, let me surround myself with people that know more than me and they can carry my vision through. And that's what I think I've done with Eric is like I saw the potential that his name, his likeness had before he did. And I was like,

you know what, we need to, he's like a cheerleader, you know, let's put a team together that can actually understand your value and let's just fly with it. And it's been incredible to see you do it and believe in yourself because you were like, I I need a partner I need somebody else to be the face as well I don't know if I can get it. I will say being the only face on the brand because if it fails it's obviously you blame yourself it's like being that you're putting yourself out there and when I was a model is that you're you get the job you don't get the job based on how you look or who you want yeah and that's what I felt I felt so much pressure but at the end of the day, I knew I liked rum. I knew we had a good product. And I knew I believed in my partner and the

team that we were building. So I was observing from the sidelines, seeing the popularity of the show, the show that he's doing the rookie and how big it was, and the response of people when he's walking out in the streets and the social media awareness, it's massive. So I was like, there is no way in hell that you cannot carry this brand all by yourself. You can, because I see it. I'm seeing it from the outside. You don't see it because you're in, but I'm seeing it from the outside.

And it's been incredible. It's been incredible to see him grow. And it's a full-time job. Eric has two jobs. He has his TV show playing Tim Bradford and he has Pan Republic. His life is all consumed with this product and his acting world. I've seen you know nothing to now speaking to people that run multimillion dollar, that have sold companies for 500 million dollars and you're speaking to them,

to a two, like at the same level, you know what I mean? And I try, I try to carry it as a conversation. It's beautiful. Yeah, I know it's been a fun journey. And what about, you know, last question on this as we come to a close, can you give the, you know, you've come from a totally different angle, right? Very successful in one realm to now moving across kind of like athletes. But what a free entrepreneurial lesson you've learned that you would either tell yourself if you was restarting or someone starting a business or even one or two.

Authenticity, like being just true to yourself and what you're what you're doing. Again, this goes back to my own lesson learned from acting. Never quit. You got to grind, grind. And probably when we just talked about is if you if you don't know something, don't be afraid to say it and surround yourself with somebody who does. Don't be so selfish that you think you have to do it and understand it by yourself. You know, it's a good one. Good one. Any more to add on your side?

I might listen. You're going to get so many people saying, are you sure? But really, but it's so crowded and you know, there's so many of those and you have to be a disruptor to be able to make it, which I believe in that. I believe that you have to think outside the box. But if you're really, if you're doing it for the right reasons, and if you truly believe whatever you're selling, you believe that this is something that the public needs, there's a need for it, or it simply makes you very happy. It's something that makes you happy and you want to share some happiness with the world. Just go for it and don't allow, because you're going to get out of 10 people, eight are going to say, are you sure?

go for it and don't allow because you're going to get out of 10 people. Eight are going to say, are you sure? But just say, yes, I'm sure. Yeah. Love that. And, uh, I think it's kind of similar, you know, acting is, is a potluck shot, right? Like trying to get a hole in one in golf, you know? So I mean, like you said, almost all of the entrepreneurship, at least in your

business, you get a few sales here and there, but, but, uh, yeah, you have to, I think the two in common, or if it's an athlete trying to win a world championship, I guess the three in common between all three areas and you go believe, right? Go believe in yourself and a lot of people won't believe in you and they'll question it, but the ones that make it, I say we're delusional enough to believe we could make a point or still do, right? Yeah.

100%. It is delusion, but it's amazing. It's delicious delusion. You know, just go for it. Yeah. Good. All right. Last question as we wrap. Where do people learn more about you? What's maybe the big thing you're working on right now and where do they find it?

I would say with me right now, obviously, Palmer Public Rum. You go to our website, which is just as I said palmrepublicrum.com, go to our social handles, follow us. I think we sell to 46 states you can sell liquor now direct to consumer and then we're also in market in Florida, California and Texas. So I would say that's where you find us. Otherwise, go to my socials, ebwinter at Instagram and ericwinter76 at TikTok. With me, Instagram, Rosalyn underscore Sanchez, and TikTok Rosalyn Sanchez official, I believe.

I'm more of an Instagram girl. Any bit on the entertainment side, I know the rookie, anything else big they should be watching for waiting? Let me see. I have a lot of stuff coming out, guys. I have Spicy Wheel, a comedy with Harbidi Jen. I have one that I just finished in Budapest, Rob Lowe and Crispin Glover called... Third parent? Do you know of any other things? Oh my God, it's called the Third Parent. Thank you, Ed. It's a Bleecker Street, it's gonna be distributing.

It's a massive IP called Tommy Taffy, people that like horror. And I play Rob Lowe's wife. And then I have one more, which I have a great one. Your big one is directed in Recy, the Aria O'Hara Cafe. I ordered a card with Wanda Sykes, her first time tackling drama.

And then I directed my second film, the Ari Bojerica Face, I'm moving Spanish, I directed in Puerto Rico, we're opening in theaters, August 14th, I'm very proud of that one. That one is my third baby. And yeah, you know, keep it moving. I'm going to meet a director now to see if I can get enough. I love you.

Maybe, maybe I'll have another one after lunch. Maybe, that'd be amazing. Good. Well, guys, it's been a pleasure. Eric, I know the rookies, I hear my, I had a chance to watch it yet, but my staff rave about it when they knew we had come on this too. So that's another one to add to my list. But yeah, guys, it's been a pleasure and I love the connection of entrepreneurship and entertainment and you know, I love diving

into the there's a lot of glitz and glam in Hollywood, arguably the biggest industry with the glitz and the glam. So I mean, it's really peel back the layers and show that it's just like entrepreneurship, if not worse, right? The months of waiting or years of waiting to sharing those stories and guys go obviously check out the socials, the shows and obviously the entrepreneurial benches they're in and as always keep living the red light. I'll see you guys soon. Amen. Thank you.