Living The Red Life - Mastering Leadership: Crafting the Perfect Team for 2024
Episode Date: February 22, 2024Embark on a journey with us in this episode of Living the Red Life, where we delve deep into the essence of transformative leadership and the art of assembling a powerhouse team for the year 2024. Dra...wing from a meticulously crafted ten-stage framework, we reveal the strategies and insights that have shaped our leadership teams and departments, setting the stage for unparalleled success. Whether you're at the helm of a startup or leading a team within a Fortune 500 company, this episode is packed with wisdom to elevate your team-building skills to new heights.---What You'll Learn:The Ten-Stage Framework: An exclusive blueprint for cultivating a successful team, covering everything from recruitment to culture building.Leadership Insights: Critical leadership qualities for the modern age and how to apply them effectively within your team.Strategic Team Building: Techniques for assembling a team that balances skill, personality, and innovation.Cultivating Success: Practical advice for creating an environment where your team can thrive and achieve their full potential.---Key Takeaways:Leadership is not just about direction but about inspiration.The right team composition can make or break your success.A positive culture is the bedrock of team performance.Empowerment and clear goals drive team achievement.---If today's dive into leadership and team dynamics resonated with you, don't let the conversation end here. Subscribe to Living the Red Life for more insights into making every aspect of your life as rich and fulfilling as your ambitions. Have thoughts, questions, or your own successes to share? Drop us a comment or connect with us on social media. Your journey to leadership excellence starts now.#LeadershipExcellence #TeamBuilding2024 #SuccessCulture #EmpoweringTeams #InnovativeLeadership #BusinessGrowthStrategies #EntrepreneurialJourney #LeadershipMindset #PeakPerformance #StrategicLeadership---Stay engaged and be on the lookout for our upcoming episodes, where we'll continue to explore the pathways to success in leadership, innovation, and personal development. Join our community of forward-thinkers and change-makers who are reshaping the world one team at a time.---Connect with Rudy Mawer:LinkedInInstagramFacebookTwitter
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                                         generally high performers or even if you look in pro sport, they're looking at how do I get
                                         
                                         1% better, right? It's kind of fascinating, whereas the underperforming employees actually
                                         
                                         see it as a negative, whereas the highest performing employees see it as a positive,
                                         
                                         right? And that's just the growth mindset of successful people versus non-successful people.
                                         
                                         My name's Rudy Moore, host of Living the Red Life podcast, and I'm here to change the way
                                         
                                         you see your life in your earpiece every single week. If you're ready to start living the red life, ditch the
                                         
                                         blue pill, take the red pill, join me in Wonderland and change your life. Welcome back to another
                                         
                                         episode of Living the Red Life. Today, we're going to talk about leadership, building out teams,
                                         
    
                                         building the perfect team and how to set up your team for success. So I'm going to take you through about a 10 stage
                                         
                                         framework that I use with my team going into 2024, my department heads, my managers, my leadership
                                         
                                         team, and how to actually build a team, right? So I've grown my team to over 100 people and I've
                                         
                                         managed over 300 employees when I worked as the CEO for a big company. Now, what's interesting
                                         
                                         with building the team is having the right frameworks
                                         
                                         in place, because when you hire a leader or a manager, many of us make the mistake of assuming
                                         
                                         that they can then manage, right? Now, a lot of the time they have strengths and weaknesses like
                                         
                                         every person. So we've learned as a company to really provide that in-house training, even if
                                         
    
                                         they come at you with this amazing resume and they've done all this
                                         
                                         stuff and they sound amazing on an interview, you have to continually build those systems and
                                         
                                         frameworks and SOPs just like you do for a new staff member, okay? So if you're listening to
                                         
                                         this, maybe you're zero employees, right? It's just you and maybe you're 10 employees, 20 employees,
                                         
                                         50 employees, but I promise you this framework will be amazing, whether it's your first hire, your 50th hire, your 100th hire, right? And it's going to be a
                                         
                                         training that hopefully will stay with you for a very long time and you can revisit as you're
                                         
                                         growing your team. To start, I'm going to take you through the 10 points, right? What are the
                                         
                                         most important areas when it comes to building out your teams, managing your teams, your department
                                         
    
                                         heads, and building the
                                         
                                         right systems to scale a team, okay? So the 10-point framework that we really cover, and it's
                                         
                                         not necessarily in an order, this is just the framework. Number one is time management and
                                         
                                         maximizing the ROI within a team, okay? So time management is so important, most people can't
                                         
                                         manage their time effectively, that's why entrepreneurs, the ultra successful ones are successful because they simply get way more done than other normal people within a day,
                                         
                                         right? And obviously they're able to work on these really high leverage tasks. And if you actually
                                         
                                         ask billionaires, one of the biggest things they'll tell you is time versus leverage. Okay.
                                         
                                         And what that means is billionaires and ultra successful people are able to leverage every
                                         
    
                                         say 30 minutes or hour block way, way, way stronger than a regular person can. So if you look at a
                                         
                                         regular person, they might do X amount within an hour that provides X amount of ROI to the business.
                                         
                                         Now a billionaire or a CEO or a visionary and entrepreneur is in that same hour is able to provide 100 times more leverage to the company.
                                         
                                         And that's what makes them so great and why they can build these big companies.
                                         
                                         So being able to get your team focus on highest ROI activities, even within their role, is so important.
                                         
                                         And now, look, a graphic designer might not be creating a $2 million deal,
                                         
                                         right? It's not his role to do so. But he might be able to make a decision within his day of,
                                         
                                         do I work on some random social media post? Or do I work on some top performing ads that could go
                                         
    
                                         and make a million dollars for the company, right? So even within a smaller subset of a
                                         
                                         business, everyone has a role to play. So the first part of this framework is really getting
                                         
                                         the team aligned on time management, making sure they're driven towards ROI-based tasks.
                                         
                                         And one of our core values is ROI, because we want our whole team to constantly work on it,
                                         
                                         and we constantly have to work on it with
                                         
                                         the team because naturally people don't do that, right? That's why not everyone's a millionaire,
                                         
                                         because a lot of the time people get lost in the day to day, they procrastinate. And there's an
                                         
                                         amazing book by Brian Tracy that I have a lot of my team read, and I've read several times
                                         
    
                                         called Eat That Frog, where it tells you to do the biggest, most important thing first,
                                         
                                         because generally human nature and Neanderthal brain does the opposite. tells you to do the biggest most important thing first because
                                         
                                         generally human nature and neanderthal brain does the opposite we like to do all these little things
                                         
                                         to get an endorphin rush and feel like we're productive when really they didn't do much they
                                         
                                         just it's kind of busy work versus high leverage work so the the first part of the framework is
                                         
                                         building systems frameworks techniques productivity techniques to maximize the time
                                         
                                         efficiency and ROI of the team. Second one is project management and task completion. So what
                                         
                                         that means is how are we managing all the projects in the company? At any one point, we might have
                                         
    
                                         thousands of tasks going between all of our departments, right? So say we have 10 departments,
                                         
                                         they might all have 50 tasks
                                         
                                         right that's 500 tasks going at any one time so how are we project managing you know we have about
                                         
                                         three or four kind of project task managers throughout the company of 100 staff and obviously
                                         
                                         within a division or a department a department head is generally a project manager in some capacity too like our
                                         
                                         head of design is managing all the projects within the design that's coming in from marketing and
                                         
                                         celebrities and all that stuff right so the second piece of the framework is how do you build the
                                         
                                         right project management systems what softwares are you using how you're tracking it how you're
                                         
    
                                         updating it how you manage task completion we have end day reports. We have time trackers in place. We have the project
                                         
                                         managers in place. We have daily huddles in place. All of these things to maximize
                                         
                                         the project management and the task completion within the company. Next one, number three,
                                         
                                         delegation frameworks and what I call hamster wheels. Okay, so this is the third part of the framework.
                                         
                                         How are we empowering people to delegate?
                                         
                                         Because progression within a company generally comes from someone's ability to take a project
                                         
                                         or an initiative, own it, make it better ideally, and then delegate it to someone lower than
                                         
                                         them.
                                         
    
                                         And that's called progression, right?
                                         
                                         That's how someone grows from an average employee to a more senior employee, to a supervisor, to maybe a manager one day.
                                         
                                         So how are we, especially with a management team, making sure they delegate? Because again,
                                         
                                         you would assume incorrectly that if a manager is great and a manager comes in the company and
                                         
                                         has this amazing resume, they have this ability like we as entrepreneurs have to take something, delegate, take something, delegate. But they don't. I can tell you,
                                         
                                         I've hired very expensive managers with glowing resumes of 20 years in corporate,
                                         
                                         and they just don't. They get bogged down and trapped in the weeds. And sometimes you have to
                                         
                                         be the one or a C-suite person above them sometimes has to be the one to say, hey, look,
                                         
    
                                         why are you doing
                                         
                                         these six things when you could give it da-da-da, da-da-da, da-da-da, right? So you still have to
                                         
                                         really coach people and build these frameworks with the team to do that. So delegation's a big
                                         
                                         one. Next is frameworks. Frameworks to me are like, kind of like systems, but better. Frameworks
                                         
                                         are more like how are you tackling an initiative? so i just built for example a social media framework which is kind of a mind map of everything i want
                                         
                                         to cover across every channel including kpis examples timelines um so it's really a framework
                                         
                                         that someone can take and run with okay um and then finally hamster wheels within this part of
                                         
                                         this leadership training what i'm talking about here is how are the managers
                                         
    
                                         building new systems to revolutionize their department
                                         
                                         versus just doing it the old way.
                                         
                                         And I reference to this McDonald's, right?
                                         
                                         So I think McDonald's innovated their company
                                         
                                         at some point when they built the iPad
                                         
                                         or tablet-based checkouts, right?
                                         
                                         So if you go into most McDonald's now,
                                         
                                         when you go in, and I don't eat at McDonald's
                                         
    
                                         often, but occasionally my, you know, my wife will run in when we're driving from Tampa to Miami,
                                         
                                         and you go in and they don't have anyone, maybe one person at the front now, and they have just
                                         
                                         like 10 iPad screens, right? So if you look at payroll for McDonald's, as a company over
                                         
                                         a year's period, they probably saved millions, tens of millions, maybe of dollars,
                                         
                                         right, around the world, because they've removed maybe, I remember as a kid growing up,
                                         
                                         I would go to McDonald's and they have like eight people, right? So imagine that eight people,
                                         
                                         pretty much like what, 16, 18, 20 hours a day, right? Because they're nearly open 24 seven,
                                         
                                         across like 1000s of McDonald's. Think of that payroll
                                         
    
                                         they saved. And that to me is they created a new, and I call it my business, they created a new
                                         
                                         hamster wheel, right? So they totally revolutionized departments. So within this area, we're looking at
                                         
                                         how do you revolutionize your department with better efficiencies, automations, and systems,
                                         
                                         or even AI. Next part, okay? Number number four situational leadership and psychology right because
                                         
                                         this is something again that not most people have especially you know more junior managers
                                         
                                         right maybe the highly paid six-figure managers will have more of this but how are they handling
                                         
                                         situations adapting their leadership style doing performance enhancement tactics to constantly
                                         
                                         improve their team work with different people within their team different departments
                                         
    
                                         different areas of risk and opportunity and problem solving and crisis management
                                         
                                         so this is situational leadership okay and again this could be a whole hell a whole episode right
                                         
                                         just on that all right next, next, okay, next,
                                         
                                         because I know there's a lot here.
                                         
                                         Next, coaching and having hard critical conversations.
                                         
                                         I think most managers are generally better at praising
                                         
                                         than they are on giving feedback on how to be better,
                                         
                                         and that's a big part that's missing
                                         
    
                                         because a lot of the time,
                                         
                                         they don't like having what I call hard conversations.
                                         
                                         I actually think hard conversations and uncomfortable conversations are one of the healthiest and
                                         
                                         best things you can do in life in general, but especially as a leader.
                                         
                                         So I actually kind of force, especially because we're a high performance workplace, we kind
                                         
                                         of enforce every manager to have a 15 minute call every month where they're giving critical
                                         
                                         feedback, right? Because
                                         
                                         generally most of the time an employee will think they're doing well if they don't hear anything or
                                         
    
                                         if they get told good job on projects, when generally pretty much every employee will have
                                         
                                         some area to improve on, right? Now, some employees will have a lot of areas and they'll be underperforming,
                                         
                                         whereas some employees, you know, will meet with and they aren't underperforming, they're exceptional at what they do.
                                         
                                         And it's just like, how can they go to the next level?
                                         
                                         And actually, what's interesting is the best employees love the critical feedback the most,
                                         
                                         right?
                                         
                                         Because the, you know, generally high performers or even if you look in pro sport, they're
                                         
                                         looking at how do I get 1% better, right?
                                         
    
                                         So it's kind of fascinating whereas
                                         
                                         the underperforming employees actually see it as a negative whereas the highest performing employees
                                         
                                         see it as a positive right and that's just the the growth mindset of successful people versus
                                         
                                         non-successful people so having hard conversations is probably the best thing you can do because
                                         
                                         it's the best thing you can do for your business and it's the best thing people you can do for people because now they are very clear on the expectations
                                         
                                         right and now if they can't meet the expectations that's a different conversation they're just not
                                         
                                         a fit for the role or don't have the skill and that's best for both parties to exit at that
                                         
                                         point right but at least the high performers or the medium performers can keep working to get
                                         
    
                                         better right and of course you want to foster a culture where people keep working to get better, right? And of course, you want to foster a culture
                                         
                                         where people are here to get better, right?
                                         
                                         And eventually when you become a big corporate billion dollar brand,
                                         
                                         you're going to have what I call tire kickers,
                                         
                                         just workers, they clock in, clock out,
                                         
                                         they're collecting a paycheck, they don't like their job, right?
                                         
                                         But obviously our goal as a leader,
                                         
                                         especially when we're sub a thousand employees
                                         
    
                                         or at least sub 500 or 200,
                                         
                                         is to eliminate those
                                         
                                         people right to keep that culture of everyone's here because they want to be here where after you
                                         
                                         get over a couple hundred employees i think it's much harder to do that but especially when you're
                                         
                                         sub 100 employees you should be able to do that and that's something that that we try and do right
                                         
                                         we're right at that kind of tipping point where we do see people come in and we're like, oh, they're just here to collect a paycheck. And it's like, they do their job and
                                         
                                         it's whatever, right? But generally a lot of our people are still here because we're still in that
                                         
                                         hundred range where they're here because they love it and they do anything for the company
                                         
    
                                         and they're all in, right? And they're obviously your best people. So next one, one-on-one meetings
                                         
                                         and performance reviews. We kind of talked a little about one-on-one meetings and performance reviews we kind of talked a little about one-on-one
                                         
                                         meetings but this is different more like general meetings with managers managers should be meeting
                                         
                                         also with all of their individual staff on a weekly or bi-weekly or at least monthly basis
                                         
                                         and then structured performance reviews right every quarter we do a performance review
                                         
                                         we structure as a lot like Google. If you've not read
                                         
                                         work rules, it's just called work rules. It's from the old HR director or HR leader at Google
                                         
                                         that built all the HR and culture. And obviously Google became very famous as a great place to work
                                         
    
                                         at one point, right? I don't know if it still is or not, but it became very famous for a great
                                         
                                         place to work. So we've took a lot of initiatives from different places,
                                         
                                         but Work Rules and Google has been one of them.
                                         
                                         We structure our performance reviews every quarter
                                         
                                         or every four months.
                                         
                                         We try and do every quarter.
                                         
                                         And then we also used to, we've got to get back into it now,
                                         
                                         but we used to do peer reviews.
                                         
    
                                         So where each department or their peers
                                         
                                         would give them a rating
                                         
                                         and feedback too and it was anonymous and it was a lot to pull off and do because it was managed
                                         
                                         like getting hundreds of people to do reviews like to their peers anonymously and chasing everyone to
                                         
                                         do them but uh that was pretty interesting because you know you as a manager or leader has a perspective
                                         
                                         and then your team have a perspective and some a lot of the time it aligns where if someone sucks they suck and everyone agrees they suck whereas sometimes
                                         
                                         it'd be interesting because like the team would think they would suck and you would think they
                                         
                                         would do good or vice versa so um having one-on-one reviews is so important right so as a leader you
                                         
    
                                         if you have a big team as a leader you should do it with the managers and the managers should be
                                         
                                         doing it with their staff if you have a small team say it's just you and like 10 staff you should do it with the managers and the managers should be doing it with their staff. If you have a small team, say it's just you and like 10 staff, you should be meeting one-on-one
                                         
                                         with all those staff every month, right? And you should go through, you know, what they're doing
                                         
                                         well, what they're not doing, big projects they need to work on, any personal development they
                                         
                                         can be doing, any SOPs they need to write, anything they, any of their ideas they want to bring to the
                                         
                                         table, right? And I didn't do this for many years when I started my business because I didn't have a training like this, right? But hopefully,
                                         
                                         you know, you do start incorporating these things because eventually, you know, as you'll always
                                         
                                         hear from billionaires and CEOs, you have to invest in your people, right? The people make the business.
                                         
    
                                         So next one, effective meetings. You know, I spend about six hours a day on meetings.
                                         
                                         I've spent more than that. I've spent less than that over my life, but now I'm pretty much over
                                         
                                         every department and doing a lot of meetings with celebrities or agents or a C-suite and all of that
                                         
                                         sort of stuff, collaborations. How'd you run effective meetings, right? How'd you run meetings
                                         
                                         effectively? How'd you run meetings in a way that obviously produce an ROI? Most staff will hate meetings because most staff aren't managers
                                         
                                         or systems people or, you know, they're more like creative workers. But meetings are generally very
                                         
                                         important if ran well. They can also be a time suck if they're not ran well, right? So really
                                         
                                         having effective meetings and a structure for
                                         
    
                                         them and a process for them and an agenda for them and someone taking notes, all the basics.
                                         
                                         Well, it might sound basic to me now, but I didn't used to do this. I didn't know how to run them.
                                         
                                         One of my friends, Cameron Herald has a good book on why meetings suck where he teaches you how to
                                         
                                         do meetings properly. I mean, I'm sure there's a podcast and stuff on there on that too. But make sure you are doing meetings. Don't shy away from
                                         
                                         them, but do them well. I think one of the biggest weakness I see with entrepreneurs, a lot of
                                         
                                         entrepreneurs are like lifestyle entrepreneurs. They just want to be hanging out, you know,
                                         
                                         traveling the world and stuff. And that's great if you want to do that. But eventually, if you want
                                         
                                         to run a big business, you do have to have meetings right every company in the world big companies have a lot of meetings it's just
                                         
    
                                         because you get everyone together and you discuss a lot of stuff right so we have daily marketing
                                         
                                         meeting we have a daily project meeting right and then our video team meet every day as a group my
                                         
                                         design team meet every day as a group my sales team meet every day as a group. My design team meet every day as a group. My sales team meet every day
                                         
                                         as a group, right? So pretty much every department at my tech team meet every day as a group,
                                         
                                         every department, every, every department in my companies all have daily meetings because
                                         
                                         it's the easiest and the best way to get aligned, right? Like you have to get aligned every day
                                         
                                         with what you're doing. So meetings can suck, but if they're around well, they won't suck
                                         
                                         and they'll help everyone get super aligned. Okay. Last couple, recruitment and interviewing. Very,
                                         
    
                                         very, very important. You must have constant recruitment going on as you're growing. Okay.
                                         
                                         You will never have enough great people. We never stop recruiting. We're always recruiting for about
                                         
                                         five to 10 roles, sometimes even more than 10.
                                         
                                         We talk about always having a reserve bench.
                                         
                                         If you watch basketball or football or soccer, they always have a reserve bench.
                                         
                                         And I've made that mistake many times where we've not and we still do.
                                         
                                         And then someone leaves or you have to get rid of someone.
                                         
                                         You now have a two or three month gap with not having that person.
                                         
    
                                         And then because you need them, you make a rush
                                         
                                         higher and then that rush high is terrible. And now you're six months later and you still
                                         
                                         don't have the right person. So try and have a reserve bench, keep recruiting. In our peak growth
                                         
                                         over the last two years, we got up to 800 interviews every single month. Now we're down
                                         
                                         to like two to 400 interviews every single month, which is still a lot, right? And
                                         
                                         we have, we got up to three full-time recruiters. Um, now we're at like one recruiter and a head of
                                         
                                         recruitment. Um, but yeah, and I do, I do final interviews still for a lot of key staff, not every
                                         
                                         staff, like, but for key staff, I'm still doing final interviews. Um, we're trying to find a
                                         
    
                                         players, taking them from other companies not my friends
                                         
                                         companies or people in this space necessarily i'm not i'm i wouldn't cross that ethical border
                                         
                                         some people do i don't i don't think that's fair but like you know random corporate companies or
                                         
                                         whatever um what else um we have kpis to hit for that so and then we have a good interview process
                                         
                                         uh we used to do group interviews.
                                         
                                         We've done hiring events back in my Tampa office. When we grew to a hundred staff, we sometimes had
                                         
                                         30 people in every Friday and we'd hire a couple of people from that 30 and, and it was pretty cool.
                                         
                                         So we've tried a lot with recruiting. I've learned a lot. I wouldn't say I'm the best, perfect
                                         
    
                                         recruiter, probably better than most, but I still have a lot of work to do.
                                         
                                         And one thing we've just found we're recruiting to
                                         
                                         is have good 30, 60, 90 day probations
                                         
                                         because I would love to say I'm the perfect recruiter.
                                         
                                         I think I'm good at reading people,
                                         
                                         but some people that you think are going to be bad
                                         
                                         are actually really good.
                                         
                                         And some people that you think are great
                                         
    
                                         are total disasters, right? Because they just missell themselves are great are total disasters right because they just
                                         
                                         missell themselves and they want the job and then they just can't handle it so um definitely have
                                         
                                         probation periods too okay next last few all right so conflict management how are you handling
                                         
                                         conflicts navigating conflicts resolutions for conflicts within the company, within the team, with clients or vendors.
                                         
                                         KPI and performance, we've talked about a lot. How do we monitor KPIs? We've talked about a lot
                                         
                                         for staff, but then how as a business do you monitor KPIs, performance? We do a weekly meeting
                                         
                                         on all of our KPIs. We do a weekly all staff where we go for all of our figures and we're always linking back to
                                         
                                         KPIs. So we have clear benchmarks. My staff at any point should be able to tell you what the revenue
                                         
    
                                         is. They should be able to tell you what the goal revenue is. So everyone is clear and aligned
                                         
                                         towards KPIs and performance. And then for within a business, we're also setting clear KPIs, right?
                                         
                                         So how do we set clear KPIs within the business
                                         
                                         for every department, right? So video is supposed to produce X amount of video. Social is supposed
                                         
                                         to get X amount of Instagram shares and comments and engagement. YouTube's supposed to hit this
                                         
                                         amount. The podcast's supposed to get X amount of downloads. The finance team is supposed to
                                         
                                         collect X amount of pending money, the refund
                                         
                                         rate has to be lower than 1%. So everything has a KPI. Okay. And if you're not doing that, again,
                                         
    
                                         I didn't do this for like 10 years of my life, but everything should have a KPI eventually. Okay.
                                         
                                         And the final one, again, taken from my friend Cameron Herald, vivid vision, right? Like,
                                         
                                         what is the big vision? What's the vision for the company, the growth of the company, the company's goals, and then also the vision for
                                         
                                         each department and then even each individual staff member within the department, right?
                                         
                                         Where do they want to grow? What are their goals, ambitions, and then how can you as a company help
                                         
                                         them get there? And then how can they help you as a company get to your vision and goals, right? So
                                         
                                         having that yin yang relationship. So
                                         
                                         there you have it, guys. I know it was a lot. I know it was fast, but hopefully it was a good
                                         
    
                                         framework because I guarantee there's a lot in there you're not doing. You're going, holy cow,
                                         
                                         really? That's really what it takes to run a big company? And the answer is yes. And, you know,
                                         
                                         that's the cool thing about podcasts like this and books. You can learn from 12. You know, I've
                                         
                                         been doing this leading teams i mean i in theory
                                         
                                         led my first team about 20 years ago as a teenager um but you know i've been leading decently sized
                                         
                                         teams for like eight plus years now um and obviously had my own company leading some sort
                                         
                                         of a team for 12 years so uh actually 14 i think at this point so look you can you can learn so
                                         
                                         much by taking these and slowly
                                         
    
                                         starting to apply them, right? You're not going to get there instantly, but you can slowly start
                                         
                                         applying these. And these are all the things we teach a lot of our members in our mastermind or
                                         
                                         in our circle programs, because they come to me for marketing. They come to me for branding social.
                                         
                                         But really, once you've got that stuff figured out, it's the people, the systems, the team
                                         
                                         and the frameworks that will scale you to success. So there you have it. A bit about building teams,
                                         
                                         culture, systems, frameworks of a big, big company, 100 plus staff, right, going from 10 to 100
                                         
                                         million right now. And I'm sure when I get to 100 million and I have four, five, 600 staff,
                                         
                                         I will do another version of this because in three or four years,
                                         
    
                                         it will all change again, right? And then I hope in 10 or 15 years, I can do another one when I'm
                                         
                                         at a billion dollars and I have thousands of staff and can give you the lowdown on how that looks.
                                         
                                         But there's a lot of growth and learning even for me during that period. It never stops. That's the
                                         
                                         beauty of entrepreneurship. See you guys guys soon keep living the red life
                                         
