Living The Red Life - TV Star Howie Mandel on Success & Showbiz

Episode Date: May 15, 2025

Howie Mandel, the legendary comedian, actor, and entrepreneur, joins the conversation to share insights into his unique journey through business, mindset, and cutting-edge technology. Throughout the episode, Howie opens up about his approach to success, emphasizing the importance of decision-making, mindset shifts inspired by Rich Dad Poor Dad, and the value of doing work that genuinely excites you. He offers listeners a glimpse into his passion for real estate, smart investing, and taking steady steps towards their goals.A highlight of the discussion is Howie’s involvement with Proto Holograms, the innovative company behind real-time holographic technology that’s changing entertainment, medicine, and commerce. He explains how Proto’s tech goes beyond traditional holograms like the Tupac Coachella projection, making immersive communication accessible to everyone. The episode closes with Howie’s thoughtful reflections on legacy, encouraging listeners to live fully in the present instead of just waiting for the weekend.CHAPTERS01:12 - Welcoming Howie01:58 - The Game of Business and Success4:05 - Decisions Create Destiny5:24 - Taking One Step at a Time8:10 - Rich Dad Poor Dad & The Mindset of Money10:00 - Assets & Liabilities13:20 - Doing Work That Excites You14:39 - Everything is Real Estate17:22 - Investing in Company Who Produced Tupac Hologram20:00 - Proto’s Innovation24:15 - Companies Utilising Proto's Technology25:15 - Howies Future Vision for Proto27:22 - What does Howie want his legacy to be?29:45 - Stop Living For The Weekend & Live NowConnect with Rudy Mawer:LinkedInInstagramFacebookTwitter

I'm trying to contain this guy. If you know who he is, you know, he's hard to contain. I just had the most fantastic hour. So I'm so excited to be now sat in your studio doing the podcast. Well, thank you. I like what you do. Howie Mandel. Howie Mandel is more than a legendary entertainer. He's a bold entrepreneur. Beyond his roles as a comedian and television personality, he has strategically diversified his portfolio through ventures in real estate and technology. From high return real estate deals to backing cutting edge tech like Proto Inc. How he continues to play big behind the scenes. Whatever I believe it takes to be successful in one word,

that one word is yes. I think we have too many nos, and no is spelled N-O, which is the first two letters of the word nothing. The key now for success across all businesses is one word and it comes from social media. And that's a. My name's Rudy Moore, host of Living the Red Life podcast. I'm here to change the way you see your life

in your earpiece every single week. If you're ready to start living the red life, ditch the blue pill, take the red pill, join me in Wonderland and change your life. All right guys, I'm trying to contain this guy. If you know who he is, you know he's hard to contain. His name's Howie, he's a legend in his own right and I just had the most fantastic hour.

So I'm so excited to be now sat in your studio doing the podcast after I saw a virtual you, a virtual me, a French me, a Spanish me, a Mandarin you as well, right? So I want to dive into that in a little bit. Firstly, thanks for taking the time and welcome. Well, thank you. I like what you do. Good, good. I follow you. And I love what you do. I said this studio and experience is similar to my office, just less read. I was so interested in you because I love,

I believe just being entrepreneurial is as a good friend of mine told me, do you know who Robert Greenberg is? Yes, Robert Greenberg is a good friend of mine. Sorry, contractually, I have to hold up a Skechers. But he owns Skechers. He said it's a sport, you know? It is, yeah.

It is. And making money and trying to be successful like that is a fun game that even if I am not in the shape you're in, I could play the game and sometimes score a goal. Well, the game of business and success, like we were talking offline, I came from a family of pro athletes

and my parents weren't wealthy at all, but the same core traits of becoming a pro athlete is the same in business. And that's what I wanna talk to you about as well today is in being successful in entertainment too, right? Just being successful. And I think just being successful in whatever it is that you pursue,

I think, and I said this to somebody before, and if I could tie up whatever I believe it takes to be successful in one word, that one word is yes. And I think we have too many nos, and no is spelled N-O, which is the first two letters of the word nothing. Nothing comes from no. Yes, even if yes leads you into a failure, that's a piece of education.

That's an experience. That's a path that you won't travel down again. But no gets you nothing. So I've said yes to everything. I am not doing or existing in a place that I ever dreamed I would be, you know, even geographically. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know? Yeah, so, and I think it's just as human beings, and I think everybody has the capability, I believe that as a human being instinct is king. Yeah. The problem with what we do is instinctually we know what we're drawn toward and then intellectually we think about it.

And if you think about it, there is so many reasons why not to go with your instinct. And most people are where they are in life because they overthought. And I don't think there's anybody alive, your age or my age, that doesn't have a shoulda, coulda, woulda. And if you could minimalize your shoulda, coulda, wouldas, I think you'd be further ahead. It's funny you say all this

because my Instagram post this morning was about this. It was. I'm not even kidding. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'll put it up on the screen if you guys are watching. I will read out a quote because it's so important. So the post was right, decisions create destiny. Right.

Right, and the caption, it's not long. It says everyone sets goals, wants to change the world, have their product, and those big dreams are great, but most beginners fail because they're afraid to make the decision, right? And then I go on to say all the most successful people I know, they make decisions fast and say yes. So then that was, look at it, we're of the same mind.

Look at that. The difference is for me, I'm not goal oriented. I don't believe in a goal. To me, in my mind, to me if you set a goal, if there's your goal. So, and this is just semantics, but then you're aware that you're not there. And you're spending your time and your effort,

that makes it more negative. Everything that I've ever achieved in life and where I am now isn't where I planned to be. And I don't know that you planned to be this. So what you do instinctually in the moment, you go, I feel like putting my left foot in front of my right, I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna put my right foot in front of my left,

I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna put my left foot in front of that. And then you end up here. Now I wasn't standing here going I wanna be here. I was enjoying putting my left foot. By the same token, I got dared in the mid 70s. I'm not an athlete. I'm not good at sports.

I don't drink, I don't play cards, I don't gamble. In the mid 70s, disco was big. I'm not part of the disco era. In my hometown of Toronto, Canada, they opened up a comedy club, and I just went to the comedy club to watch the show. The guy that I was sitting with, or the guy that was the host of the show,

it was Yuck Yuck's Comedy Club, Mark Breslin said, at midnight, if anybody wants to try this, well, you get five minutes at midnight. And somebody at my table went, you should go up. I went, okay. And I don't think of ramifications. And what was the, I'm not a comedian,

so what do I have to lose? And I thought it would be funny if somebody went, ladies and gentlemen, Howie Mandel. And they went, ladies and gentlemen, Howie Mandel. And then I had nothing, nothing. And nothing but terror of all these strange people just staring at me, you know? And they were staring at me, and I didn't know what to do,

and I have a rubber glove because I carry rubber gloves because I have OCD and I didn't wanna touch anything. I put it over my head and I blew it up and it popped off, and that became, you're too young to know, but that bought me my first house. That became, they said, come back tomorrow night and do it, come back, And I just took incoming calls. My intellect told me that this is not a living.

This is not, but I wanted to get married. I've been married for 45 years. I have three kids, three grandchildren. I was already with my girlfriend. I was engaged. I wanted to be able to support her. So my favorite game growing up was Monopoly. Yeah, mine too.

So wow, we have so much in common. You know? Did you ever play chess? I do. I do. But it's so strategy and then, but, and you don't, I always say to people, you know, I don't have a GED.

Do you know what a GED is? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You live in America. I don't have a, I didn't go to, I got thrown out of high school. Later on, in my 40s I got diagnosed, but I have severe ADHD. Every time somebody gave me a job in this business, and even to this day,

I truly don't think this is gonna get me someplace or it's gonna get me my next job. So I've always been of the mind to make whatever, you know, make whatever I get work for me. You know, I read a book years ago, do you know Rich Dad Poor Dad? I do Robert, yeah. I love that.

Yeah, it's great. Now I don't know that it's the best book, but it is the best theory. It's great. And every dollar that comes your way, think of that dollar as an employee. A lot of people take that money and they go, what can I buy?

I take that money and go, what can I make? My wife got mad at me when I made my first $10,000. When we were here, I bought a term deposit, a CD, a term deposit at 12%. And I had $600 left in the bank. And we were watching, I landed a series called Saint Elsewhere. That's where Denzel Washington and me came out of the same,

that's where we both started on television. I had a black and white TV. I wouldn't spend any money on anything. I didn't buy anything. I was so cheap, but it wasn't cheap. I just thought like, if I'm out here, I don't know anybody out here. People are giving me jobs pretending you know I'm gonna pretend like I have money and they gave me

good money but the first ten thousand dollars I had I bought a term deposit for like a five year term deposit that was paying 14 percent at the time you know it's the beginning end of the 70s the beginning of the 80s and I was guaranteed guaranteed that I was gonna make $1400 a year. And that was exciting to me. That, and I didn't even have to work. But that's way different to most people, because when they have especially quick success, like athletes, entertainment,

they go out and buy a new BMW, right? Or something, so. So they buy a debt. Yes. They buy something. Yeah, liability, yeah. They gotta keep digging themselves. I never want to dig myself out of anything. So everything that I do in life, everything, I've always done

so that if I can't show up, I'm still in the black. I know you like to be in the red. But I don't know if you're familiar with accounting. I do, yeah. But red is not the best representation of somebody you're familiar with accounting. I do, yeah. But red is not the best representation of somebody who wants to make it. I agree.

But just to talk about the investment side, because I shared with you earlier, I worked in my teenage years buying and selling then in fitness and health as a personal trainer, and I saved every penny to buy the deposit on my first house, right? But then once I got the first one, I bought a new property every year

because I rolled all the profit of that plus work in two jobs. So that's exactly right. It's the same thing. It's the same thing. And then, I think eventually, and I used to, even when I was making millions of dollars, I lived like a normal person.

It took many, many years until I was like actually spending a decent amount of income. But still, I would imagine, I don't know you that well, you say spending a decent amount of income. Yeah. If you go by percentages. Very small percent. That's what I'm saying. Very small, exactly. So the average person overspends a percentage of what they are making. Yeah. I think if you have the mindset of this is not all for the giving, you know

It's funny because I teach that too. I said for the last eight years I paid myself the same salary even though my business has grown ten times bigger, right? And people are like what do you do with the money? I buy more real estate invest it into new businesses and share whatever right? But I think that's so important. And most people, I say in entrepreneurship, and it's a famous saying, the first stage of entrepreneurship

is figuring out how to make the money, but the hardest part is keeping the money. Absolutely. But that's why, you know, there's an old saying, you can't make money without money. But it's not without, you could do it without spending money. You can do it. A dollar is the best employee you will ever have. And with what I, you know, we talk about even where we're sitting right now, you know, there are people here

who are in my, in my space, who are not only my partners, but they're my tenants. And so, you know, there is a source of income just to have this, even this studio like this could be considered a large overhead. Not if it's being paid for when I'm not talking into this, somebody else is talking into this and they're paying to be here. We think the same, because I can tell you the same as me, because anytime you want to buy something, you go, how do I make money from buying that?

Right. That's what you do. I'm the same. I want to buy, I got a 12,000 square foot studio on Miami beach. I'm like, how do I cashflow this versus it being a liability? And I can tell from how it happened. Well, I would imagine whatever you can earn in there. Plus the- Yeah, the studio rentals, people come in, film there. And plus the write-off and what you're saving in your taxes. Yeah. So you won. So how did you, I wanna ask you this. You've obviously been so successful

in the entertainment space. How do you incorporate the brands and the entrepreneurship? Because I mean, a lot of people, very successful in the entertainment space, but they don't have the entrepreneurship side that you do. Well, here's what, first of all, success is just a word. What is success? For me, success is being excited

about what you're gonna do today. I became successful April 19th, 1977, when somebody dared me to get up on stage. As soon as I found that, it's the first time I had any acceptance, it's the first time I was excited about getting on stage. Again, I still to this day will drop in on the, even when I'm not touring, and I'm always touring,

if you go to HowieMandel.com, I'll drop in at the Comedy Store, the Laugh Factory, the Ice ice house just to get stage time. I love doing it, not for the money. And I even say when people fly me to concerts and they wanna pay me a lot, they're paying for me to leave this fun place, to walk away from my family, to stay in a hotel room, stage time's free.

So the idea, the entrepreneurial, being an entrepreneur was the need to be able to sustain myself and give me the time and the place where I can just, I can go tonight to the comedy store, even without getting paid. And an hour or two, three times a week and do that. I don't have to take three jobs and not have time to do what I want. I understood that this existed because even in show,

show is one syllable, business is two, business is the bigger word. Everything is a business, absolutely. And everything is basically real estate. It really is. So even you're doing this podcast, you're creating a property where you're not making money now talking to me, the way you'll make money is,

we've probably had one or two ads already that people have seen and is this on YouTube right now? We don't actually run in stream ads, but I play such a long game. It's all about the brand and like building the community. But ultimately, so this is your- People listen and they're part of my ecosystem, right? Right, but you'll make money with this,

this is not the job. Right, so what I'm saying is I realized, I was a carpet salesman when I got thrown out of school, I'm colorblind, but I realized I'm still a carpet salesman. I'm just selling, I'm just creating a brand. We all are a brand. And that's the only way to expand is being a brand. And the more people that know your brand,

the more access you have or the more, I don't think there's anybody alive that doesn't have an opportunity. I think doors open for everybody every day. I just think they don't step through them. Most people don't. They don't. They're not gonna, you know, it's ridiculous.

And I would imagine including what you're doing. What I'm doing is ridiculous. I was engaged to be married. I had a job in Toronto in retail to take my fiance 3000 miles away. For me, this is a culture shock, like for you it's a very different world, to a place where I don't have any connections,

don't know anybody, and think that I'm going to support myself, put food in my stomach and hers, and eventually our children's, by putting a rubber glove on my head is, can I swear? Is fucking ridiculous, it's ridiculous. But I didn't think about that. You know, if I swear? Yeah, yeah. Is fucking ridiculous. It's ridiculous. But I didn't think about that.

You know, if I really think about it, I probably wouldn't have done it. No. And by the same token, at this age, at this stage in my life, you know, I'm 70 this year. Why would I buy a warehouse? Why?

Why? But this is the most fun. And when I bought it, it's not like I didn't even have a plan. I just thought I just want some space. It might be part of my ADHD, but I don't think of ramifications. I don't think of the downside. It never hits my head. But I thought I could have fun. There's a lot of room. And I showed you when we were walking through, I bought go-karts. And I was just here, you know, about this eight years ago. In my 60s, I bought go-karts

and I have a big empty warehouse and I'm just driving around alone in the warehouse and listening to TikTok like an idiot. And then I find a band on TikTok that I like. I say, wanna come in the warehouse? And they come in the warehouse. And then I see a guy who put Tupac at Coachella on Instagram, and I DMed him and I said, can I see your new product?

And I went and saw it and I went, this is great. I'm going to invest in this company because I want to be part of it. And you want to expand. I have a warehouse. So come to my warehouse. So now this is the head office for Proto holograms, which is blowing up all over the world. And then I, you know, other people, there's just so many, there's a gaming, I like gaming.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. E-sports here, there's art, people who do art. And in any given day, today's kind of a slow day, but any given day you walk around, and I don't know what's happening because these are mostly just friends or like-minded people who either are part of my team or they're just, I'm part of their team

and they do their own. You know, I'll walk in, the other day I walked into that room and there was Ice Cube shooting something. I don't know what they were shooting. Well, you need, like me, you need the creative energy, right? You feed off that energy. I do, and I don't have an office. Yeah. I don't, that energy. I do and I don't have an office Yeah, I don't I didn't have enough

Me too say me too I walk around and I get inspired and somebody says you want to do this and I'll sit down there playing you know like Call of Duty and it's live and it's streaming and I'll sit down and And and play or talk to their team and then all of a sudden I've, you know, the key now, the key now for success across all businesses is one word, and it comes from social media, and that's engagement. If you can engage, it's not only seeing you, but if you can engage somebody

where they wanna interact with you, they wanna buy what you're talking about, they wanna be with you, they wanna buy what you're talking about, they wanna be like you, they see you, but you need those, we live in such a fractured society because of social media, everybody's got their own algorithm and they're really, their feed is so different than your feed. Yeah, I teach, you're fighting for the brands,

I teach you're fighting for engagement, right? It's not just about having a good product these days, you've gotta stand out and grab the engagement and build that long-term customer. Right, and that's why I'm sitting and talking to you, I'm hoping that somebody who wants to pay a lot, like a hair product brand, will come to me, because why would they?

But if I engage with you, there's a good chance I could be the next L'Oreal guy. Well, quick- I have eyebrows. Quick question talking about engagement. I do wanna come back to the- Proto. Proto. The product behind you.

Which I think is the most exciting thing that I'm involved in. I'm fascinated by it. First hour of being here, I'm like in awe I'm fascinated by it. First hour of being here, I'm like in awe of how good quality it is. So can you explain it? Yes, I will explain it. So I was, I saw it, you know, originally these people put Tupac at,

you know what I'm talking about, at Coachella. That technology, that company is, the technology is Pepper's Ghost. Do you know, have you ever heard of that? Pepper's Ghost is kind of easy, everybody knows it. If you go to Disneyland or Disney World, and you go into the haunted house, you've been to the haunted house,

you know how, so you have to create, you have to light a whole space or not light a whole space, make it dark, and then project something on an opaque screen, like a piece of glass. And then what happens is if you light the area behind that, you see all the people at the dinner table, and then all the people that you can kind of see through, or if it's Tupac and you can't see through it,

he's in front and Snoop was in back, right? That is the most cumbersome kind of setup in lighting. David Nussbaum, who was sitting right there, was smart enough to say, well, people are intrigued by this, but we can't spend thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours every time somebody wants to see a hologram.

How can we send a person in real time, or an image at least, in in real time outside from another place, which other than a projector. And he built from this dream in his living room, he built this proto box and it is this box and there's real depth in it. It is a, you know, it's, it's not just a screen. It's about how it is lit. It is about how it is built.

And he built a software company where you could stand anywhere in the world with the lowest technical footprint that you can imagine. There isn't anybody watching this right now that can't do this. They can stand in their kitchen with their iPhone and that image will be projected onto the hardware that he has created

in a three dimensional image in real time with no latency. It is like FaceTime or Zoom on steroids. Well, and it's why I'm laughing because I'm still in shock how good quality it is. That's why I can't get over. Well, that's why. It looks like you're there. That's why you are there. I'm telling you, you haven't used it yet.

You've just been on it. I am telling you as somebody who uses it and I'm telling you as a germaphobe, the reason what intrigued me was the fact that in the middle of the pandemic, I was doing all these Zoom shows. And then I saw this and I said, well, this is not Zoom. And it looks better, like you're saying it looks. But being I saw this and I said, well, this is not Zoom and it looks better.

Like you're saying it looks, but being on that until you use it, I'm talking about using it, until you stand in front of it and your return could be, you know, just a laptop or whatever to see what the box is seeing. I'm in the room. I don't feel like I'm on the phone.

And maybe it's because I'm standing there freely. You know, I'm in the room. I don't feel like I'm on the phone. And maybe it's because I'm standing there freely. You know, I'm here. Whereas FaceTime, I gotta stand like this, or Zoom, you set it up and you're adjusting it. The fact that I'm standing here, like I'm sitting here with you, it can put a stool in front of it and you project my full body.

And I could look in the thing and I'm looking, I'm going, Rudy, I'm right here yeah and I've done this in front of live audiences of thousands and they scream and they and and you saw during March Madness they used that ESPN uses it and on game day they bring in athletes from their homes the arena went crazy like they're there we've done done a festival, a 20,000 seat country festival where every artist showed up themselves. One artist for whatever reason couldn't make it and decided to beam in on our proto.

They got like 10 million or 100 million clicks on that. People were more fascinated and enjoyed that because he was taking suggestions from the audience because it's not just, you're not watching a video. Yeah, that's the key. You are talking to the person. But beyond that, companies have come in and said, well, you know what I think I could do with this?

I can, and our app is agnostic, right? So you can use our app and build your own platform on it. So jewelry companies have come in and scanned their jewelry, their jewelry's on it. And then they, you know, it's got Bluetooth. So you can operate whatever you're seeing on the screen from your mobile device and move it and order it and buy it and communicate with it.

Medicine is using it where doctors are now have the ability to see and communicate and help people in rural areas where you can't get the top doctor. Not everybody can go to the Mayo Clinic, but the Mayo Clinic could go to everybody. Yeah, wild juice. I can see this just change in the entertainment space, shopping, e-commerce, like I'm so fascinated.

My dream and the reason I invested in it, and this is where I believe it's gonna go, it's gonna be ubiquitous. I believe that Proto is going to be like Kleenex. And Kleenex, you know the term because you came from London, Kleenex is like, is tissue. But people call it a Kleenex, you know, you know the term because you came from London, Kleenex is like, is tissue. Yeah, yeah. But people call it a Kleenex.

Kleenex, yeah. Right, so the point is, you know, I'll proto you at four. Yeah, yeah, I like it. You know, I believe that. Or I just went to shopping today, I just protoed, you should see the stuff I got. Yeah, I love that. You know, and people are finding ways to interact.

And ways, and the beauty of it is, the amount of creativity that people are putting into inside the beauty of it is the amount of creativity that people are putting into inside and outside of it, whether the box is going and it's wrapped by a company, the Coca-Cola, and now Coca-Cola presents whatever they're seeing. Or, and you will see them now, maybe now that we've talked about it, they're in airports, they're in schools,

they're in hospitals, they're in all the Christie's, they're in, there isn't a business that is not using it now. It's in stadiums, it's in the O2. It's all over the world, we're in 39 different countries now. You know, and the, traditionally I think Proto is more of a software company, and I am fascinated now that this is their head office and I share that, this space with them.

This, every week, every week, the leaps and bounds of what they are doing in the world of AI and connectivity and engagement is what makes this company, I think everybody is gonna have it in their house and you're not gonna have to be rich. Right now, you could have it in your house for like six grand.

Yeah, yeah. Which is, not everyone's gonna spend six grand now, but I believe that there'll be a time within the next few years for a few hundred dollars, for less than your iPhone. It's like the DVD player, right? When it came out, it was a lot and then it was like $30 at the end.

But the amount, from getting to where this started in David's living room, to being able to put it in your house for 6,000 has not been that long. So being able to put it in your house for a few hundred dollars and that could be your form of entertainment, that is gonna be your form of communication. Family connection. Instead of a phone call, I'd rather you stand

in front of me and talk to me. Yeah, love it. So last couple of questions as we wrap, I always like to ask people this. What for you, when we talk about legacy and long-term, what is something you wanna be remembered for? People ask that, and I'm sorry that I don't have an answer for that,

because I don't think I'll be remembered. I don't think anybody, well, maybe I'll be remembered because my hologram will be living forever on Proto. But the truth of the matter is I am a father and a grandfather. And I believe, I'm fascinated by the fact that people in my business who chase fame, you know, you chase, you know, people recognizing you.

I don't really chase that. I love what I do. I love comedy. I like it for me. It's like an art Yeah, you know, I love comedy. I love business. It's also an art in a sport and and I'm fascinated and Blessed by the fact that somebody wants to come up and spend any time with me because there's so much out there There's so many people out there, but the biggest stars of the world the stars, it is so fleeting and so fast. I mean, maybe your viewers and listeners right now, like the Beatles don't mean anything to my grandkids.

Yeah, and that's just one generation away. So as big as you could possibly get. And there was nothing bigger than the Beatles at that time. Yeah. And they're forgotten. Most people can't name every president. They were the president of the biggest power in the world. They can't name every president. They were the president of the biggest power in the world. They can't name every president. So to be remembered is kind of shallow.

But here's what the legacy that I leave is to try to be a good human being, charitable human being, a respectful human being. And hopefully from doing that, my kids learn to be that, my kids learn to be that and their kids learn to be that. So my legacy is to leave other human beings here who maybe were changed a little bit toward the good because of who I am and how I am. Yeah, yeah.

But, and that's all it is. And while I'm here, I'm going to have fun. And no matter how much we make, you know, as Sharon Osborne once said to me, she goes, who's the richest person in the graveyard? We're all on equal ground. We start the same. We'll end the same. Let's just all play. Have fun. I love where you're coming from with that.

And I can tell you here, I was going to say the fun part in the process. And then you said it because I can tell you here, I was gonna say the fun part in the process and then you said it, because I can tell you. Me too. Yeah, you're like me. Yeah, I always, everyone calls me a big child. They say, I'm like, I wanna make lots of money,

have lots of impact, but be a kid, I'm a kid at heart, I just wanna have fun every day. And I posted the other day to finish this episode on the day you wake up and Dread Mondays is the day your life should change. You need to change that. You know, that's me too. So I always say like in America, I don't know that they say it anymore because I don't really listen to radio. Yeah. I don't know that anybody does, but they used to be Wednesday was considered hump day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well,

hump day, the connotation is you're halfway over this dredging hump to get to the weekend because you hate every day. And then you're going to get to the weekend because you hate every day. And then you're gonna get to the weekend where you're just not gonna, you're not even gonna do anything exciting. You're just not gonna have to do the things that you find crappy. It's not a life, right?

And I'm telling you as somebody that's 70 years old, this goes fast. Every day, every moment that you waste, this is all you have. All you have is now. That's why I don't say set a goal because because you don't know if tomorrow is even going to come. You don't know what tomorrow brings.

You don't even know if yesterday is exactly the way. If two people spend the day together, they'll have two different stories. So that's not even real. That's just make, that's just pretend or your perception of how yesterday went. The only thing that's real is now. And if you can make the most of now if you could say yes And live in the now I promise you I promise you you can interpret that as success. Love that Well, no better way to end an episode. Thank you so much for your time much more to come

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