Locked In with Ian Bick - Bobby Shmurda: How I Survived Prison

Episode Date: September 14, 2025

Bobby Shmurda went from viral rap sensation to serving nearly 7 years in New York prisons, including time on Rikers Island — and now he’s back with a story you need to hear. In this exclusive interview, Bobby opens up about his rise in the music industry, the case that sent him to prison, what life inside Rikers was really like, and how he’s reinvented himself since coming home. #BobbyShmurda #RikersIsland #NewYorkPrison #LockedInPodcast #PrisonStories #HipHopInterview #RapCulture #truecrimepodcast Thank you to BLUECHEW & PRIZEPICKS for sponsoring this episode: BlueChew: Visit https://bluechew.com/ and use promo code LOCKEDIN at checkout to get your first month of BlueChew FREE & pay five bucks for shipping. Prizepicks: Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/IANBICK and use code IANBICK and get $50 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup! Connect with Bobby Shmurda: https://www.instagram.com/itsbobbyshmurda/?hl=en Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Presented by Tyson 2.0 & Wooooo Energy: https://tyson20.com/ https://woooooenergy.com/ Use code LOCKEDIN for 20% OFF Wooooo Energy Buy Merch: http://www.ianbick.com/shop Timestamps 00:00 Introduction & Early Life in Brooklyn 05:00 Family, Childhood, and Influences 10:00 Street Life: Early Hustles & Tough Lessons 17:00 Becoming Bobby Shmurda: Music Origins 22:00 Rap Stardom & Sudden Success 27:00 Street Code, Morals & Regrets 33:00 Arrest, Charges & Taking Responsibility 39:00 The Reality of Rikers Island 45:00 Violence, Survival & Daily Life in Jail 50:00 Cutting, Fights, and Prison Dynamics 57:00 State Prison Transfer & More Challenges 01:03:00 Adapting & Reflecting in Prison 01:08:00 Life Lessons Learned Inside 01:12:00 Rebuilding: Life After Release 01:13:30 Making Amends & Final Reflections Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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even if you've shopped with us before. Now, you're Bobby Shmurda on Rikers Island, the most notorious jail in the country. Can you give us just the honest reality of what that was like? I used to rob people when I was like 13. I went through a phase. I didn't even like it. I just did it because I was like, it was a way of money.

At the time, did you consider yourself a bad person? Even when we was in the streets, we always wanted to be out the streets. We always wanted a better life. How do you get the name Shmurda? Because by the time you find out was too late. What was the worst thing you did to another inmate? Um.

Bobby Shmurda went from Brooklyn Rap Sensation to spending. nearly seven years in New York prisons, including Rikers Island. And now he's here to tell the real story. In this episode, Bobby opens up about growing up in the streets of Brooklyn, surviving Rikers, the truth about prison life, and how he's rebuilding his career and life after release. Bobby Shmurdo, welcome to Lockton, man.

You're the first guest in Lockton history. I've done almost 500 episodes that let smoke on the show. The SEALs told me that was the first one. They broke some weed, too. but I ain't believe the motherfuckers neither. What, that you were the first one that stuck in weed? Yeah. I don't believe the motherfucker.

They brought weed too, but I ain't believe the motherfuckers neither. That's what they all say, you know? How would they all say? They want to make you feel special. Where do you grow up, Bobby? Brooklyn, New York, Killing, Killar County Hospital. What was your childhood like? Who'd you grow up with?

It was traumatizing. Not traumatized. It was fun. It was fun. It was different. I didn't go to school. so I had a different childhood. You understand what I'm saying?

I occupied my time differently. And I played in different things. Not like the jungle gym, but we played in the track, and it ain't, you know what I'm saying? So it was like, it was different. It was different. It was memorable, and it turned me to the man I am today.

Did you have any siblings? Yeah, a brother. Were you guys close? Yeah. You know, he was like, him, my other brothers, they all are saying, You can't tell us the difference.

You can't tell us apart. What about your parents? What they did for work? My mom's worked at a rising. My father's locked up. My grandmother worked at Rainbow. Did you ever meet your dad as a child? Yeah, he'd be about to come home probably like next month or some shit.

Oh, so he's been locked up your whole life. Since I was two months. Two months? What do you go to prison for? Robbery. But they gave him $1,000. 20 years that was like past the law like

murder it's like 25 20 so like robbery is like you know what I'm saying it's like they gave him 120 years for that so we just got to appeal for it and did you have a stepdad at all growing up or are you just father? My motherfucker fucking stepdad random niggas a motherfucker fucking stepdad

we had one of my mother boyfriends I liked only one of them his name was Antoine his Antoine shout Antoine he was cool my son's Antoine he's the back bitch together. I was like eight, nine. She's the son to pick me up from school because I was so bad.

And then everybody picked me up. They nobody could pick me out. They be like, yo, I'm fucking gay. They're going to fire me. Leslie, they're going to fire me. Leslie? My mom's name, Leslie. They're like, Leslie, he's going to fire me. He's a badass kid, man.

This nigga always needs somebody pick him up. They be like, yo, they drop me off at 8 o'clock. They were like, come get this nigga 815. You heard? They were like, we send this nigga to the hospital. So Antoine come pick me up. Antoine's my mom's boyfriend. That nigga, like DMX, big ass, six foot,

nigga. He was cool. Were you in your mom close? Yeah. She's young, so my mom young, so, yeah. How would you say you were as a kid growing up? How would you describe yourself? I was in a regular kid.

I was, as I said, I didn't go school, so I was, like, I was, like, grown as a kid, but I was like, what does kid age as to you? I'd say maybe a teenager or, like, 9 to, like, maybe 18, 17? That's a kid still? I guess it depends on your life experience. I still think as a kid. from from from I was like I was in the street streets heavy at 12 11 11 12 years old that's when I was in street streets heavy

before that I was part-time in the streets like we's in the streets until until like we got to go inside to like 10 o'clock 9 o'clock so we's bad but we like it's like until like 9 10 o'clock after like I was 11 12 we's in the street streets like Like, motherfucking two, three in the morning, mom's looking for us. Niggas getting, you know what I'm saying? Muffoghs going to jail, niggas getting left, shit like that. Like, you know what I'm saying? Why do you think you're interested in street life?

Uh-huh. Why were you interested in it? I was born in it. I was born in it. So I'm from, I'm born in Kings County Hospital on Clarkson. So my original block is 53rd to 95th o'clockson. One trade now on 53rd. That's why I was born at.

And I moved to the 90s when I was like 11, 12. So the 9, we just carried that. But I was born into the 9th and 9. The building I grew up in, everything was wild. Like, my mom's... So people outside looking at as drug dealers. But we look at as family. Like, my mom's left us with, like, she didn't leave us with it.

But my baby sister was drug dealers. So that's why I was born into it. You see what I'm saying? So I was immule without even trying to be a mule. You know what I'm saying? Like, he used to, they used to run down the corner and they used to make sure that, like, I'm saying. My babysitter was a drug that he was like 10 years older than me. He was born like 84.

And my mom's always had to go to work. So she looked at them like little brothers, like family. But, you know what I'm saying? They sold drugs and shit like that. So I was like born into the shit. Did you ever want something more out of life at that age? Did you think about college, a career or anything? I tell people all the time.

I never thought like, like some people like, I'm selling drugs forever. When I was selling drugs, I knew I was like, yo, well, I had a plan when I was young. It didn't work out like that. I had a plan like, yo, I'm going to sell drugs, and then I'm going to real estate. And shit like that. I had a plan like, yo, I'm going to sell enough drugs and I'm going to real estate. And I just end up becoming Bobby Shmerta. Why real estate?

I think real estate because it's like drugs. Real estate is like drugs. It's like If you If you think about it's like Legal, it's like drugs It's like selling drugs You know what I'm saying

Flipping bricks Flipping brick, flipping legal bricks Flipping illegal bricks You know what I'm saying? It's like it's the same thing Like drugs It's just that cops ain't coming for you And they don't shoot you

They sue you What do you think is the worst thing You did as a kid? I used to rob people I used to rob people When I was like 13 I went through a phase

I didn't even like it, but I just did it because I was like, it was a way of money. And even when I did it, I like so much, I used to just, like, I used to single people out. Like, I used to make sure you was, like, a gangster or something. I couldn't rob, like, an innocent person, so I had to make sure you're like a fake gangster or some shit. Like, even then, you know what I'm saying? I said they like it. But I think when I was robbing, I caught a case for it, and then I'd have robbed nobody again after that. I did it for, like, probably six months.

I think that was the worst thing I did. How would you rob people? I was, it was so crazy. It's like, I didn't do no, like, I couldn't, I was never a sneaky person. So I would like, it would be a robbery, not like a thief, like face out. Like, nigga, yo, what's up, nigga, yo, you know what I said? Like, where y'all from? Nick, I, I didn't, I didn't.

So it was like that type shit. I used to have, like, 10 motherfuckers on the wall. I used to have, like, it was a high school. I used to run up to high school, kind of went to high school. So I used to, like, all the fake gangbangs and shit like that. And I used to rob them all the time. Guys, enter the room, schlong first. Blue Chew isn't just a tablet. It's like giving your slong a pep talk, a protein shake, and a gym membership. Stronger, harder, longer lasting, like your downstairs decided it's training for the Olympics. Blue Chew is the original brand offering chewable tablets for better sex, and it does not mess around. Last time I tried Blue Chew's tablet, my shlong started acting like it had its own PR team. It refused to do missionary because of a lot of, Apparently, that was off brand.

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things. So I don't think that the street life was cool, but people thought it was cool because we made the best of it. So because we made the best of it, people would look at it like, you're thinking that it's cool, but sometimes we're just making the best of our situation. So it was not that it was, I'm not saying that I regret being from the hood or anything. Like, I love everything that it taught me because shit that you can't learn in a library. But as I said, it's not cool, but we made the best of it. So that's why people would think that we're being cool. Do you think someone at that age has the choice and the ability to walk away from street life

when they're put into it at the young age? Everybody has the ability to walk away from something. but I feel like at that age people don't really know their self and they're still figuring out their self and when you get into that lifestyle later on they figure out yo this wasn't for me

or this was for me or this you know what I'm saying so sometimes when they they're young young people you can't you know one person like when you you hear five year old eight yo I want to be a doctor by the time she's fucking 17 or son she's probably a teacher

or, you know what I'm saying, or work in the real estate or some shit. So it's just like, you know, they're young and they're figuring out their selves. So I say everybody could walk away from it, but, you know, it's like a trick sometimes. Do you feel like you wanted to be a part of something, like a family by choosing the streets?

So my gang-banging friends was my friend since I was, like, four or five years old. they've been my friends since I was like four or five years old so my friends is originally like four or five years older than me my brother is two years older than me my biological brother's two years older than me and my other friends is like 1990 89 and 91 so the building I grew up in a one train nine we all still friends to this day like we all still call we all still you know I'm saying be on the line shit like that um And that's where I got shaped me. Like, I was just born in the building. I had, like, a lot of heart.

So I always rode with the big dogs. So it was like shit like that. Did your mom want you to go to school? Hell yeah. My brother was anybody. My bigger brothers, they was like, I dropped out of school before my friends. My friends was like four years old than me. My friend's like 1990.

So when they was like in, I was just a bad kid from the junk. My friends used to force me to go to school. My mom used to force me to go to school. My mom used to force me to go to school. I just did what I want since I was a kid. I didn't really give a fuck. Now, were you passionate about music as a kid? I used to love DMX.

I used to love music, but I had ADD, so I couldn't really, how would I say, focus on one thing. And were you rapping at all at that time? I wasn't rapping. I was freestyling, but I did it for fun. So that's how I started rapping. So I used to do a lot of shit for fun. You're not like, some people don't, they don't plan to be in the NBA, but they might play basketball for fun.

And for motherfuck get them a contract, I bet you they're going to go to the house. So I was like that. Like, I didn't go to the studio. I just be on the block while and having fun. I just wanted to, like, entertainers. So I'll be dancing, rapping, doing all types of shit when we bought. Did you ever see it becoming a career? And if not, when did you finally see it becoming a career?

I didn't see it coming in a career because I had behavior problems when I was young. I didn't really get my behavior under control into I was like 20-something. Like 25. That's something I'm ashamed of. Not ashamed of, but something I could tell people. I ain't get my behavior together. I'm like 25. I'm 31 now.

Now when you're saying behavior, do you mean like anger? Yeah. I was like a crazy motherfucker so I didn't see it working out because I'm like I can't the way they be talking to them rappers and the way they be doing that I'm gonna shoot the whole office up these niggas bugging I'm like he's niggas crazy I ain't go to school because of that I slapped the principal these niggas well and he's CEO bha fuck you talking to nix who the fuck the boss blah yeah shirder all the set niggins Sprit all the set yeah I say so I didn't see it I didn't see it at first and then when I

I, like, when I went to jail, it was crazy because when I was in jail, I'm like, yo, I'm in jail for my friends, you know what I'm saying? For my bros, but I love him. So I'm in jail, so I'm in jail for my friends, actually, you know what I'm saying? So it's not really for my friends for me, because, you know what I'm saying? I signed up. I signed up for the shit. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? I got to learn in here, you know what I'm saying? Because I had to do it, and I don't get caught for me. And I'm like, I'm caught up in this dumb shit right now. So it's like, whatever. Long story short, boom, when I sat in jail, I learned that I had to. I had to, control my anger and that's when I learned how to control my anger. Old a guy named Fat Cat. He was like, I don't know if you know Fat Cat. You know Fat Cat? Yeah. I read his book in prison. Word? Yeah. Well, you say he was in prison too from when? I was in prison from 2016 to 2019.

2016 to 2019? Yeah. In the feds. Yeah, that's when I went upstate, 2016. I was with him at 2016 to 2021. Yeah, I read his book. You know, like one of those, uh, what are they called? The ghetto gang type books, like the self-published ones. I don't know how to describe it, but I read that. What's that? I'd have to show you like an example.

But there was like a certain type of genre, but I read the whole history. It's like autobiography? Kind of, yeah, like growing up in New York. I already read on things shit. What's his name? Big Meach, yeah. Yeah, I didn't do too much reading. Shit I was reading inside.

I was like motherfucking laws and shit like that. I'd read up on laws and all that type of shit. Where do you think the anger came from? My Jamaican side. Your motherfucker's crazy. My Jamaican side, my family, they believe them is crazy like a motherfucker. My mother fucker. My grandma would be shooting them up my pop to shit.

You'd be shooting that my mom's crazy. My auntie's crazy. They be shooting at their baby fathers and shit. They're crazy. My uncle's little bit of my, my Jamaica side crazy. We're from motherfucking Maxfield. That's like, that's a bad man territory in Jamaica. They're crazy motherfuckers.

Tell us about the truth. transition to becoming Bobby Shmurda. You said that line earlier about how you became Bobby Shmurda. I became Bobby Shmurda on accident. Not accident. Everything's on happening faith. You know, I'm saying. Well, I was in a trap. I was with the bros. They was rapping. You know, it was rappers in every hood. They was rap. It was rapists and I used to be on the block freestyle. At one time, I remember I did a freestyle for them. It was July 4th. I just came up from Juvenile. It was like 2012 and I did a freestyle

And after I did a freestyle Everybody, yo, what's a nigga can rap? But I'm like, nigga, I ain't rap I'm selling drugs, we're shooting nigs and shit We can't rapping I just do that when You know what I'm saying? We have fun

We mobbing, we having like a gang We're chilling or whatever We're on the block chilling You know what I'm saying? Entertainment type shit So long story short The bros kept telling me They're like, yo, we want you to rap

We want you to rap This and that, this and that I was paying for studio sessions For them And after that they put they was playing the song i guess they were going to clubs and putting the song on in the clubs or whatever they like yo bobby people were feeling it they showed me recording this is when instagram just came out and long story short after i seen people was fucking with it i'm like

yo i'm like yo i'm sorry shit like that wow extra shit so i'm like yo fuck it i'm gonna fuck with it and then we shot the video they was bribing me to shoot the video they're like yo we're gonna buy you clothes we're gonna buy you this that and third and i'm like nigga i'm a drug dealer you know You offer me some free shit. I mean, we just lit, me, I got to work for everything, you know what I'm saying? So, long story short, that's how what happened. And then I'll be shot hot nigger. So you didn't even care about music.

You weren't passionate about it, really. It was just for fun and it happened. It was an accident. It was natural. It was like, a son I just naturally do. You know what I'm saying? It's like saying like a seven-foot motherfucker. If he could just dunk, you know what I'm saying?

You're like, see, you seven-foot tall, they're like, yo, here 50 million, go to the NBA. You're going to put your arm. just like that, right or wrong, even if you like playing piano. So do you equivalent to that, like, the overnight success when something goes viral in today's world with TikTok? Like, that wasn't there back then, so. I remember when Instagram came out. I think it was like 20, what was that, 2011 or 2012? I think 2011.

Yeah, I think 2011 on Instagram? 2020-11? Yeah. Yeah, I got locked up 2011. And I came home 2012. I came home when I was locked up, Chief Keefe and Olin was out. I remember that. How old are you?

I'm 30. I'm 31, so we're saying, yeah. Yeah. I graduated high school in 2013. I didn't go to high school. Or drink high school. So tell us about how your life changed when that song became a hit. Um, so my life changed how this, when the song became a hit is like, um, I wasn't shooting people no more.

I wasn't waking up selling drugs, yelling at people a day. So when you sell drugs, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, I wasn't shooting people anymore. drugs it's like being a manager so you got to make sure this is there you like it's a lot of stress you know what I'm saying so I had to sell drugs no more um I was waking up just getting tons of money seeing people I'm seeing new sites clubs shit like that it was just like from negative to positive you know I'm saying like the thing it was I was causing like before I was a rapper I was getting a lot of trouble like a lot of trouble not with the police but I just getting a lot of trouble and shit in the streets.

So it's like once I turn into a rapper, my whole life changed. How much money were you making at a time? No, in the rap game. In the rap game? Yeah. Before I went to jail, I had a couple hundred thousand, like five hundred thousand, seven thousand. I was making some money. I was making like $10,000 a show.

We were doing like fucking three, four shows every week. Did you ever end up getting the big record deal? Yes, I got the big record deal And I went to jail four months after I got the, oh, yo, this is crazy I got the deal on the 17th And I went to jail December 17th Who'd you sign to?

July 17th To Epic Sony Records And is it like what the headlines say About a record deal Like the big flashing money And everything that comes with that Like if they say it's a $5 million Record deal

Are you physically getting that money Right then and there? No, you don't get the whole $5 million right there You don't get the old $5 million right there I got like It was a 1.5 They gave me like

Probably like a couple hundred thousand Probably 400,000 I was supposed to get like 8,7 But wow Niggas robbing me And I'm so young I'm so into the game

Like I'm coming straight into the game They're like 400,000 I'm like yo, man fuck you're talking about Nick we're in the streets We're clapping nicks for five b We clap knicks for $30 You know what's that?

Yo crack get old nigga $20 We clapped that dude Y'all, hey, nasty, yo. What happened the record deal when you went to prison? Do you lose it? I think I'm the first person in history that they held on a record deal for six years and changed while I was incarcerated.

What's something you wish you did differently when you had that overnight success and your career started to take off? The things I wish I knew what I knew now back then. But, you know, Tom, you know,

you got to go through experiences, times and shit like that. But I wish the motherfucking lawyers, I had lawyers that caught me, motherfucking lawyers

that caught me, um, the niggas caught me for like 20%. I wish I knew my contracts. I wish I read the contracts. I wish I had different management. I wish I had

a lot of different shit that I know now. At the time, did you consider yourself a bad person? Um, Because you're talking casually about shooting people and violence and whatnot. So we never, the thing was when I say about shoot people, why grandmothers loved us, why kids loved us, we never shot. Like Veterans Day, right?

What's Veterans Day? That y'all celebrate a Veterans Day, right? That's a bunch of killers, right or wrong? Oh, man, motherfucking builders don't blow up their self overseas. Right or wrong. You talk about the Army. So it's like when we were shooting, we did, we, we protected our hood. We didn't, we didn't shoot, like, good people.

We didn't shoot civilians. We protected. It was bad people that we shot, you know what I'm saying? People that was frauds, people that was, had bad intentions, people that used us, people that, you know, it was that type of shit. So we shot, like, bad people. We never shot, like, no good people. You see what I'm saying? We don't shoot good people.

We protect good people. We protect the grandmas, the elders, we protect the kids, we protect all of that, you know what I'm saying? So that's what we was on. So it was like the grandmas to see us and they still say we're hot of us, you know what I'm saying? They're hot us in their houses when police come and shit like that, you know what I'm saying? So because we help them with their bags, we helped them with, you know what I'm saying? I was always a kid like that, you know what I'm saying? We helped like people with their bags, me, I'm saying, shit like that.

Like the elders or anything, the kids and shit like that. So we wasn't like terrorists. was like, good terrorists if you want to say it. So do you think that was a misconception about you then? I think it's a misconception about a lot of the streets. And then when you say, you think about it, like Veterans Day, shit, we celebrate a bunch of killers. Mone fucking snipers and shit. Blown up shit.

Atomic bomb. But I'm saying, though, they're protecting America, right? Right or wrong. Yeah. That's why it's for the Falun soldiers and the thing. So it was the same thing in the hood. You know what I'm saying? It's just like a mini-America.

But would anyone innocent ever get hurt? Like we hear about these gang-related incidents where a child gets caught in the crossfire and innocent civilian. That does happen. You can't say it doesn't. That didn't happen on our hood. I can't talk for every hood.

Because then you got people that just come outside pretending. You know, that's what happened. You got guys that come outside pretending. They'd be shooting wild, shooting crazy, doing shit. Just because they think life is a video game. That's the followers, the imitators. You know what I'm saying? That's not like the real, the real guys, you know what I'm saying?

The real gangsters or badmonde or whatever you want to call them. You know what I'm saying? Those protect. And then as you protect, you're always going to have imitators that do it because they want the girls or they want to because it seems cool. As you said earlier, just because it seems cool. So you're always going to have guys that, oh, that should look cool, but they don't really know that, you know what I'm saying? The ends in the back of it. How do you get the name Schmerta?

Because by the time you find out, I was too late. That's what Shmurda means? By the time you find out it was too late. That's actually what it means. Nah, nah, not, not. But Schmurter's like quiet, quiet domination. Silence and, I don't want to say silence and violence, but silence and violence of necessary. But quiet domination.

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disc and I had the plug I had anything. So I was like I wanted those guys I was on the phone all day. So tell us about that operation

how much you were making break it down for us. It was times that when I first started I started I started, it was different times I started selling crack. I went through

stages. I went through stages as I saw crack. The stages I went through as I stole crack is the first stage I was like 12 years old

when I first started that's when I was son's job local. I got locked up. After I got locked up for something crack, I started robbing people. Then I got locked up for robbing people. I said, I can't do this shit. Going back to something crack again.

Met my son jarred blood when I was like 14. I got caught a case in like 2008. When I caught the case, I wanted to run from 2009 to 2011. I was 14 to 16. Then I got locked up. and when I, um, my, my brother's moms, all my bro's moms used to kick me out the house because my mom's told all of, you know, they like all parents. When we grow up from kids, all the moms know each other.

So they like, they like, they like a click, you know what I'm saying? They're like, yo, do you see that motherfucker? So I go to their crib, grease mom, thing moms, they'd be like, hey, you take your ass home. Everybody else be chilling. And they'd be like, you. I'm like, me. They were like, 10 of us in the room. They sing with me out.

They were like, you. You take your ass. So, blah, boom. So long story short, long story short, after that, I went on a run from I was 14 to I was 16. I met Job Blood. Job Blood had just came on. He's like 10 years older than me.

So Job Blood took me in, and I started, we saw some crack. He showed me how to do it for real. Like, we was making like full, 5,000 hours a day. Like, we were just whaling, like, the motherfucking door be knocking. Mother fucking bell be ringing. Crack heads being the back fighting. Mother fucking phone jumping. It's shit.

You know what I'm saying? She's like a movie like painting full type shit. And then we had got locked. It shit was on fire. And then the shit got shut down 2011. What did he show you that made it real that was different than what you were doing before? He showed me the orientation, the organization of it. Like before we were just wild.

We would sell it. And you know what I'm saying? It's like people would just be selling it. And you won't be moving forward. He shows how to grow. He shows how to go. turn a ball into two balls. Like, turn those sides of turn,

3.5 and the 7, 7 to the 14, 14. You know what I'm saying? 28, I ain't next to 60, do. You know what I'm saying? Just that, I'm saying. That's out, house, and house. So we're going crazy. So it was like, that. He showed us that.

He showed us the business of it. You know what I'm saying? Before we were just, like, doing it just to have money, be cool and survive. Then he showed us how to, like, make a living and how to feed other people out of it. You know what I'm saying? So he showed us the business of it.

Did you feel bad about putting drugs into your neighborhood? I was born in 1994. The drugs was here before. Plash. But you are a part of it continuing it now. Well, it's like,

so I go on common sense, right? I go on sense. We drink liquor. You drink liquor? Yeah. I tell people all the time, what's the worst drug in the world? They say liquor.

It kills the most people. I saw crack. What this young thugs say? Whoopty fucking do. Whoopty do. I sold crack. Footie, do. Yeah I'm saying?

I saw crack cocaine, but they were smoking it before I was born. You know what I mean? I ain't the motherfucker to bring here. You know what I'm saying? They're going to get higher regardless. I didn't sell the kids. I didn't sell the pregnant ladies. That's about it.

Yeah, on that topic, what were your rules for street life? Like, what were principles you held close to your heart that you would never break? No kids and no kids and no pregnant ladies. I used to encourage pregnant crackheads out. I tell him, come see us in 10, 20, 12 months. Yeah, whatever you're because you're going to get high regardless. You're going to have the baby. You're going to get to go get to, you know what I'm saying?

You're going to give the fourth kid probably a son. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to tell you to do good. Like me, I was a person before cracker even bought crack for me. I make them go buy food. I had like 10 of them eating a box of piece of all the bros be laughing on the block. They was a nigga truey crazy. I got a key, I'm saying?

And I'll be like, yo, y'all can't be running around, smoke crack all day, I'm gonna fall out. You know what I'm saying? Listen, you know what I'm saying? These people are going to get money. Stay alive, motherfuckuck! Stay alive! I'm playing.

I'm playing. I'm playing. I had them all on the block, eat the box of pizza before they even bought shit. I'd be like, did you eat? They were like, no. I'd be go get some food across street real quick. Let me see you eat.

They'd be eating. They'd be eating right in front of me. They'd be like, I'd be like, hurry up and finish. They'd like, I'd want no more. I'd be hurry and fucking finish. They'd eat it. Then I get it on and shit like that.

When you blew up, did someone come and try to help you? Mind you, they was like 40-50. I was like 14. When you blew up with the song and the music, did anyone try to kind of help you and guide you, maybe like some type of role model? Was that your mom? Was that someone else?

My mom's ain't know about the industry. She worked at Ravis. Tell us about the gang you were rolling with. So by gang, I didn't look into like a gang. I look at them with my brothers. As I said, I went to, like, my guy my gang like my co-deans that got figured through the life and shit like that from the indictment these the motherfuckers i was getting expelled with in first grade like super intendant

special with so first grade was like six seven years old so i like i knew them since i was four or five years old you know what i'm saying when i was four they was eight seven we all from the building it's like i remember when i was like eight years old they was like 12 11 and they used to have like the junior high school, junior, like group fights. And I'd be like eight years old. I'd be on a swinging motherfucker with bath and shit like that. Because they're my brothers. So I never went to school with them.

But every time they come back, I'm hearing all this shit. So I'd be up there like, yeah, what the fuck? You know what I'm saying? I'm the youngest one, the littlest one. This old hood, all these niggas. And that's how I grew up. Like, that's how I grew up with them. What were they called?

What do you guys call yourself? We was called hated by many. And then you know, You always give yourself a name and then people like, this is what y'all are. This is what you are, motherfucker. So our name was hated by many because, like, everybody used to be, like, jealous of us. We used to always, like, we were flying young wild niggas. And, like, we always take your niggas, bitches.

We're doing shit like that. So we're going to hate it by many. And then after that, all the older niggas say, oh, y'all y'all niggas is crazy. We used turning shit up at the same time. And they call us the hot boys. Say they start calling us the hats. They're like, yo, y'all niggas is hot. Every time we come outside, we hear sirens.

Y'all nigs got towers up. Like, we always got the tower up, shit like that. The older drug deals be young, and it's like, and we can't get no fucking money around here. That niggas is wily. I got the police old. Niggas. Niggas shoo-shut.

Noghs shit, nixie. We just wild young, young, young, crazy niggas. We used to, like, four or five years old. I ain't going to lie. We used to be breaking the motherfuckers' house is playing hard and go seek and shit like that. And we play hard to go seek. We ain't stealing in there, but we just kids.

But we were just like wild motherfuckers. But other people like, you think it's breaking the interim type shit. So did you not agree with how law enforcement would label you guys later on? Yeah. Well, I'm going to tell you, before the, like law enforcement, where I'm from, I've seen them five years. When I was five years old, I just seen them like dragging motherfuckers, volley and like our uncles, our old niggas outside, shit like that.

We'd be looking at it like, yo, they just trying to have a good time, shit like that. They'd be playing domino's loud. You know, yelling these motherfuckers is high, drum. having fun and shit, the kids outside running around. I had one of those hoods, you know what I'm saying? Niggas's always outside. Oldenig's the thing. The females outside.

Drug dealers, drug dealing. You know what I'm saying? Gang bang is chilling. Gang bang is probably cousin hood. Like the gang bang is this motherfucker's uncle's cousin and shit. So we ain't looking at them like gangbangers, you know what I'm saying? We look at them like family. But the outside probably look at it was like gangs.

You know what I'm saying? So it was like, so I'm saying. So it was shit like that. You know what I mean? So it was shit like that. Would those individuals eventually be your downfall? No. No individual could be a downfall.

Only you could be a downfall. So what do you think contributed to your downfall? I didn't have a downfall. I felt. I felt me going to jail made me smarter. If I didn't go to jail, probably, shit, I'd probably been in jail for 25 life or life the way I was thinking. So tell us about that arrest, the one that happened a few days after your record deal. A few months.

Yeah, a few months, a few months. A few months. So the arrest And this was big news at the time I remember reading about it And it was all over the internet Because you were so hot so much potential The world thought that you had blown your shot

Yeah so The arrest was crazy because I've been arrested so much times At my life I'm saying I've been there like all the juveniles I've been all it And the foster care NFDs

I mean, NSDs, I've been, they used to kick me out there and sent me to the juveniles. And then I had been upstate juvenile. I was going to Jets. I was like 12. And even when I went to jail when I was 20, I seen it's like a reunion. It's like it sad. You see all the same niggas you see growing up, you know what I'm saying, from you like 12 and shit in the spot. So I see niggas like I'm smoking with when I was like 13, 12.

We being in a juvenile bathroom smoking on the bogeys and shit like that. the motherfucking C-O's bringing it to us Ratchet, G-baby, them niggins. I see them niggas up state. That shit was crazy to fucking my head up because it's like a revolving door. And I'm like, it's like graduating. That's where I said like, yo, I got to grow up.

It's like, God showing me that this what you want. I'm like, nah, I can't do this no more. You know what I'm saying? So that's like, it was like growing up stage. Like, it hit me. That shit gave me to, yo, I can, yeah, I'm done. Yeah, I'm done. Like, I was too old for the shit.

What do you get arrested for? I had a bunch of charges, but I got sentenced for a gun charge and a scapola. A jail scapple. Now, was this related to the gang life, or what were these charges related to? The charges wasn't related to a gang life. It was related to me. I was I have to keep telling you, ain't nobody could make you do nothing but you. You know what I'm saying?

Ain't nobody put no guns here. When people join gangs or people be with people or be with any crowd, is because you choose to be with the crowd. But you did say earlier that you were riding with certain people that were your friends was one of the reasons why you went to prison? I mean it. Some of my friends talked on the jail phones about me. That's what led me into the indictment where I went to prison.

But days were my friends because I made them my friends. So at the end of the day, I went to prison for me. Because my grandmother always told me like, yo, watch your friends, watch this, this, this, and that, you know what I'm saying? So some of my friends did. It was what it was deceiving. Not deceiving, but like, damn, nigga, fuck you talking on the phone for a nigga. Yeah, I mean, fuck, nigga, y'all said?

You know the rules, but you know how niggas be in jail. So, niggas, you know what I mean? So shit like that. So I went to jail. That was it. They couldn't hold me on all the charges. They had me for, like, shooting, had me for, like, a reckless endangerment, three gun charges, conspiracy, and they dropped all the other shit

and just hit me for a gun charge. So were you taking this much accountability? That the police put on me. Were you taking this much accountability back then? What you mean? Like you're taking it all on yourself right now. You're saying it was your fault that these things happened and owning it and taking responsibility.

Did you feel that way back then? Of course. That's why anything I do is I signed the first. I know I signed up for it. So I rode with a nigger out, side, and I know in my gut, he probably got a potential of being a snitch, and I say, y'all, whatever, and he snitch on me. Or even if you don't snitch on me, and I roll with the motherfucker and I do some shit. And I chose to roll with this motherfucker.

I made the decision, you know what I'm saying? Ain't nobody putting no gun like, you go ride with some, you know what I'm saying? You ain't put me down. Even if you put me down, I don't know this, I ain't got a good, I ain't going with this thing. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, I make this decision. the decision and that's what people don't take

accountability for themselves so you can't grow if you don't take accountability for yourself, you know what I'm saying? Why do you think people don't take accountability that were in your position? People with bitches. Everybody won't got this want to be fucking fancy, I'm right and you're wrong shit. It's stupid

shit. Now you said the police put the gun charge on you. Can you explain that? Man, shout out the, as I said Foxy Brown. I said this before and the next interview, but shout out to Foxy Brown. niece you raised a good girl Foxy Foxy Brown

Niece Arabia she almost took the gun charge she tried to take the gun charge for me and they came in the house and I got this on two different statements they wrote two different statements where one they say that they found a gun in the couch and the second one they said they see

me run to the, no first one they say they see me run to the back of the house with a gun that's probably cause to shoot y'all motherfuckers shoot motherfuckers with iPhones with a black gloves with black hands shit you know what I'm saying

2014 now ya what I'm saying clapping dick is outside so boom long story you short um they come in the house

they finds a gun in the couch is like eight of us it's like four crack kids is no six of us

it's two crack kids no three crack kids seven me Monte his girl

and my girl A rat And that's Foxy Brownies And we all came in When they took this shit out the couch They put it in through the clip And they like it was going on you I'm like me

You put the blackest in the room What's the fucking me? I'm fucking A rap start tripping She's like Ahah! It's mine! It's mine! They're like, shut up, little girl It's going on him

Martin's looking like Yo shit They were with dusty cars I'm like Yeah, nice shit! I'm like well chill, chill chill, we're good I'm telling her you Shut up, we good

Don't say that, I'm like, I'm like, shut up. Don't say that, hi, ah, we go. Long story's show, we go to the motherfucking precinct. We need the back, we're in the back of the paddy wagon for like 12 hours, you heard you niggins didn't even process us. Yo, this is not syrup, I don't drink syrup. But listen, yeah, we need the back of the motherfucking precinct for like 12 hours. They let, they let them go.

They let her go. And they let the girls go. They processed us. I had like an eight ball of crack on me. We got this crack kid in my hood named Tasha. She's young, though. She's like my age. She's like, nah, probably like two, three years old than me, but she's young.

And she used to be violent. She's like, yo, I got you cuss. I gave it a whole pack. I'm like, damn, I got like, I had like three, four balls on me, you. I'm like, I'm about to go to the island. I ain't going with all this shit. Yo, I know it's a happiest day, you. I gave it like, fucking three four balls.

I'm like, yo, here, four eight balls. I'm like, hey, holy, I. She's like, yo, I got you cuck. I was saying it's my, Roger Bufle. I'm like, shut up, I'm talking. You get inside. You ain't say, no gun, got, got it, nothing of that shit, you know what I'm saying?

But they process me, or they offered me eight months for that shit, and I end up doing seven years for, because they're like, yo, they ain't really had nothing on me. And they like, yo, they had nothing on me in court, you know what I'm saying? Like, I could have went right home. And they're like, yo, they got some shit on Rowdy. They're like, yo, nigger, we want you to do time. You go on upstate.

So, yo, you better take this time for Routley or some shit like that. And I'm like, I'm taking it for him. Now, the headlines made it seem like you were facing life at the time and your whole life was over. I mean, I put a blue trial, it was like 30 years, but they, there was bullshit charges. Were you happy when you got offered that final plea deal? Mm-mm-mm. Because they offered me originally. They offered me originally.

First day, like, if I blow, I'm going to get 30. I'm facing up to 30. Then they like, yo, like the next year, pass it. They're like, three years. Take three years. But they wanted me to cop out. basically before the bros went to trial. I'm like, I don't know if the bro's going to trial or not.

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It's not, um... Because this was a big thing with the young thug case. So what happens is that people will consider it snitching, but what happened is like basically you giving your bros up on trial like basically telling them they can't go to trial because if they go to tribe you cop out and they go to trial they blow into whatever you copped out to that's automatic it's called it's gang conspiracy so if they're like that's why i couldn't cop out i could have took my three years and went home but they offered me three years but i know the bros go on the trial so i got to hold it down but on no story sure you can't if you

if you want gang conspiracy you can't cop out because when you that's implicating that the gang is i mean it's a gang. So once you implicate that is a gang, they can go to trial and say that, boom, this person said this was a gang already. So that's basically using it as like a witness. You need three people to say, yo, it's a gang, or two,

three people or one person to say it's a gang. You know what I'm saying? And once they say it's a gang, they can use that in trial now. That's the shit that they can use that in trial now and say, yo, this is a gang and you've blown to that. You automatically blown to that. So if anybody cop out before, you've blown now. that. Now, you're Bobby Shmurda on Rikers Island, the most notorious jail in the country. Can you

give us just the honest reality of what that was like? A lot of drugs. A lot of drugs. Gang banging. I was an IPC. I said, I did how much? I did two years before I went up state. So I did six years and some change. So two years if I went upstate, I was IPC, probably like six months then they kicked me off the island they kicked me off the island October so I was PC for like eight months they kicked me off the island October I was going in and out the box

so I say probably like four or five months and I was in the box like three months I was going to end out the box because all the box had all the drugs so I kept going to the box see all the bros see all my codeines I see all the bloodies everybody all the gang all the gang vings and shit like they everybody I'd be in the box with them Wild and shit like that They'd be like, yo, your box,

I'm up. I'll be like, I'll be fighting the police trying to stay. They were like, yo, you're not gonna keep you gotta leave, niggas, you gotta leave. I'm like, I'll be fighting the police.

Fuck out, nigs pack up. Pack me up. They ain't going nowhere. All the drugs in the box. I ain't going nowhere. It's late, you right? Mugher fucking, wake up. You smoke and spliff in April.

You wake up, niggas, motherfucking August. Nigger, Tom Fly. You know what I'm saying? So, um, they kicked me off the island. Now they sent me to the county. I went to Westchester County. Boom, they send me to Westchester County.

I get kicked out of there. They sent me to Rockland County now. I get kicked out of Rockland County. No, I get the population of Rockland County. I got to get the population. They got me an IPC. I can't do IPC if ain't no drugs in there. But it'd be drugs on the island of IPC, so I was good.

But boom, when I went to the thing, I'm like, Rockland, there ain't no fucking drugs. I'm out of here. This is wild. This shit looks like motherfucking old daycare shit. I ain't within that shit. So boom, they get me out of there. I pays my lawyer some money.

they put me back on the island, then they put me to Adam and Segg because I couldn't go to population. So you know what Adam Segg is like on the island, right? No, I've never found it. So Adam Segg is worse than populations. Like, you got population, you got Adam Segg,

then you got hands, no, you got, you got, enhanced something, and then you got hands restraint. Hands restrained like the top shit where they got to come out in cages

and shit like that all day. So boom, I was in Adam Segg. Only go to program houses so they ordered me, um, the judge ordered me to Adam Segg, that I got over there with Rowdy

and them, niggas. I got over there with Fetty, his little brother in them niggas. We turned up the three building and then I got to with rowdy and them then they kicked me out then they sent me upstate.

Now IPC is protective custody? Yeah, involved. And they had that because of your celebrity status? Yeah. How are the other inmates treating you when you got there where you looked at as like an icon?

Where? An IPC? Just at Rikers in general. I knew niggas. So it's different. Like, right because it's different because it's like jail, gang bang is, like it's criminals.

So it's like, jail is full of criminals. So it's a different world from outside. So everybody showed love, but they show love different. They give you weed. They give you guns. They give you, like, not guns, but like nice, shit like that. So they niggas give me nice. Niggas, you give me weed, things, and shit like that.

So they see me, yo, shmurder, ah, you look, ah. Hey, I'm saying? And I already, I'm saying? So they're like, y'all, show you away. They, they're like, yo, your local. Tell these niggas how he was in Jovi. Yo, you're a fucking rapper now? Because it was crazy because it was, mumma, I was a rapper for, I turned Bobby Shmurda.

What, like the song blew up. I got signed July 17th. I went out. I started doing crazy shows like June, July, and I got locked up December. So I was only like for five months, like 150 days, bro. Tell us about the violence at Rikers. Violence is lit, you know what I'm saying? Just go down all day every day.

Niggas is fighting C. We're fighting COs. Me and my codeine's, we fighting COs, all the type of shit. They put us on our heads. You know what I'm saying? Mollong-fokers would be, I had one time me, rowdy, me, Routy, Rosh, no, me, Routy, Mesh. I think it was Mitch too, Mitch, somebody else. I forgot who else, one of our other codeine's.

And we had a big ass fight with the COs inside the elevator. Because my other Coadies was coming down the stairs and they were trying to give us some weed and shit. We had a little bit of butter already I'm like, yo, and we didn't even see our bro's in like months and some shit because they had it separated. So I'm like, no, our bro's coming downstairs. Y'allowing, we ain't going nowhere. I said, like, yeah, I think he's got to go,

bro, I've been here all day. We had a big-ass fight with them niggins in the elevator. He's going down. The niggas put me in my head. You heard them niggas flip me on my head. The nix start kicking him. Hey, hey, the hell by them dicks. We're wilding.

We's wilding this shit, though. That shit was crazy. Now, I read that you got caught with a shiv there or a knife, and you actually got charged for that? So that shit was funny. So I had the knife before, right? This is a real story, right? My fan, a fan comes out to the fucking jail, right?

So the fan comes up, but what's so funny is that my mom's and my sister was supposed to come up while they was there. But we had the CEO there. This nigga be drunk and all types of shit. It's my son, you're all. This is my son a stupid-ass nigga be drunk and all types of shit. So I asked this, nigger because the audio is funny. You're like. You was locked.

You know what's up. So boom, this dumb-ass-n-ass-n-n-nig be drunk. What type? Should I ask this thing? I'm like, yo, bro, who downstairs are going to see me? The nigga says, the nigga says, on Leslie Shepard. No, he said, no, he said Kimberly Polar. But my sister name is Kimberly Shepard, and my mom's name is Leslie Polar.

So I'm thinking he just mixed the names up. You're right? I'm like, dumb-ass things are mixed the names up. But the real name, the fan name is really Kimberly something, right? So long story, sure I go downstairs. And every time I go on a visit, majority of the day. time I go, it'd be fanned sometimes. I'm like, what the fuck you're doing here?

So I go downstairs. Our first time in the five building, I had my grip, I ended up on my tongue. So I was on the tunes, I carry my shit under my tongue, I carry my scape out of my tongue. So boom, I'm in the fire building. I come downstairs. I see some nigger from the towns. I don't know where he was, but he knew what I. He said some shit to me, yo, what up?

But he was supposed to be like an a op, but I ain't know he was an app, but he's acting like a fit. Like I'm saying? Like a, yo what up, niggas, this and that. So I pulled my shit. shit out then I talked to me like yo he copped the plea whatever this and that so I went right on the visit I didn't got time to put my shit up you heard I put it right back in my my mouth boom so when I'm on the visit I'm sitting away from my mom's that don't come I see like some some girl I see people coming out yo Bobby Bobby Bobby I see like a girl like she's about to pass me

that she sit down right in front of me and when she sit down right in front of me I look at her and I'm like what the fuck you're doing you're like I'm like hi what the fuck you're doing She's like, I'm Kimberly, ah, I'm you visit. I'm like, oh, now you can't be here right now. You're out of my mom's in them coming up, ah, ah, so I'm like, I ain't want to be mean and shit. I'm like, oh, hi, blah, ah, and I had to leave. So when they thinking I just did that, they're thinking I caught the bag or some shit,

and I left you, her. They're thinking, oh, I just brung her here to get the bag and leave. So now they're searching me. So I'm like, I'm not on it like that. I'm like, yo, the fuck is the first time in the fire building. So they're searching me heavy. I'm like, what the fuck y'all y'all guys doing? y'all gay?

I'm like, wow, I know these niggas like, you know, these dicks like, spread everything. Let me see the dick, let me see the ass. I'm like, yo, what the fuck? Y'all? You know what I'm saying? I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. Neither. But I'm like, yo, god damn. You're going to be searching the motherfucker and you're looking for something. I'm like, hold on down, y'all you know what I'm saying?

Two different things. So, boom, long story shut. The nigga told me over my mouth. So I'm like, oh, my mouth. This is the first time motherfucker over to me over my mouth. So I'm like, on my mouth, I spit this shit. Boom.

I spit this shit out like this. Like I turned around. I'm like, what the fuck the d'nick's talking about with my mouth? Ah, I, so I'm talking to the CEO. He says some shit.

He said, what's that in here? They start fighting with me. I fling the shit. I fling the shit. Boom, they grab this shit. They knock me.

When I look at the report, they said that, yo, they seen her grab. They seen their, yo, I see these nigs is dirty, son. I started laughing,

crying, laughing. These motherfuckers say on the report that they seen her pass it to me. You heard? I'm like, she ain't passed nothing to that day. I came down there with that.

Nick of the cops gave that to me. Right before I left the box. I'm gonna think of a lot. So when I get back to the box, all the brozes there, they're like, yo, no. Remember, I just stepped the box like two, three days ago.

The bro, I think it was Rocco. It was Rocco. One of the homeboys or the Jets. One of them just gave it to me, bro. They just gave it to me three days ago. So, remember, the box is like, being in jail in jail. You know what I'm saying?

So when you're being bad in jail, you're going through the box. You know what I'm saying? So he's like, jail. So I'm coming back. I'm coming back through the shit. I see him. He's like, nah. He's like, nah.

I'm like, yo, son's a buddy. I'm going to. I'm going to sell. I'm going to sell. Oh, they got me. They got me. That's it. And she's like that.

It was like 21, 22. I was like 21. I was like 21. I'm saying I'm growing now. I was like 30, 20. And they gave you more time for that, right? They gave me a one or four. They gave me one or four, but I had seven years, so it was like...

It was concurrent? Yeah, it wasn't really, man. What was the worst thing you did do another inmate? I cut somebody by mistake. I cut somebody by mistake. Trying to cut somebody by mistake. What happened? Tell us the story.

Um, I was over the rail, and I was hitting the nigga. I was throwing over the rail, and while I'm hitting, It's like a real right here So I had the nigga like rap And I'm like this I'll tell you the real shit right Boom I hit I hit Roddy by mistake on his neck

Nigger Roddy jumps in the middle Because you're like you're on camera You on camera I'm like fuck I'll tell you I had anger issue So I'm like 25 Like I don't get a fuck camera there I'm a nigga right on camp

I'll do a nigga Nick principal Who's the boss Who's the boss? You know what I'm saying? Fuck you mean camera Who the boss You know what I'm saying

So long story short I'm hitting this shit that stopped me I like I stopped because when I'm rowdy I hear Roddy yo yo what the fuck you hit me

I didn't even like you cut me someone you say you cut me I stopped I'm like oh shit I looked at him like on my back shit I did I stopped in the bro everybody looking at me

like the old old boys in the judge they grab me what the fuck you doing bro you're wow you're wearing I'm like I'm like my back

bro that's what I'd be when I was young like they'd be like you're like oh shit my back bro And shit like that. What did this stem over?

Why did this happen? I didn't want to say he'd suck his dick or some shit. What's the most disrespectful thing someone could say to you in prison? What's up my dick? And what would happen if someone said to... I smiled at him. I smiled at him. I smiled at that.

I got with him. Now after Rikers, you get transferred to a real New York State prison. I went to Downstate. I went to Downstate. I was in population. like a week, then they sent me an IPC to APPU and Clinton. What was that like there? How was it different from Rikers?

Prison is prison. Prison is, you know, you're in that mess hole, nigga. In that mess hole, cuss in the mother. When they say the mainline, could hit that motherfucking mainline, nigga. And, you know, upstate is like to every, every 90, Bloods is probably like 10 crips. Every 90 blood, no, every 90 blood is probably one crib or five cribs. This is the time of state.

It's just getting into niggas not gang banging. I'm blood cribbing gang banging. And niggins try cut me. They tried to hit me the first week. I didn't have like five days. Then they're IPC me. Then they sent me to APU because I snuck in the population. How do you sneak in?

I went bald. They didn't know I was about it. They like, they did the most of the sergeant? She's fucking Bobby Sprinter. I'm like, shit. I snuck in the population. So I got there. I got the cut this and that.

I'm like, yep. Uh, uh, went in. Why were they trying to stab you up? They tried to, um, nigga tried cut me. For cloud, you know, trying to be famous. Some of my gang bang. But he's like, one nigga said I was being too,

they said, like, y'all was being like a bird or some shit. One of the nigg was doing too much. I'm coming to hole. I'm coming in a nigga. I'm extra. You know what I'm saying? I'll be up in there. I was cracking.

Y! You know, Spurter on the set. That was cracking. You remember, everybody's blood. They, oh, yeah, everything. This is, but, remember, it's not like right now. Right now, bloods and cribs get it long, right now in jail, shit like that. This is back in 2016 and shit like that.

It's like, every time you hear in blah, you hear all the bloodling. I mean the gr-t since I get into the mess hall. I see the jets. I see what all people. All the son, Paiso, damn. Hey, Paiso, all the niggas. Who else was in there? My son Gunner Hell from Long Island.

Oh, my son, Gunnar, Big Six-foot, nigga. That was my son. Who else in there? Wild niggas in there. Jungle to Billy. He upstate right now. Them nigs old them niggas in there, wowling, right? So I'm not coming to mess on.

Shmurro. Shmurna, there's like two little crip nicks, britt. It's a whole mess hole, y'all. You know, they all. What's shot? We're all over the set. We're shot. We're in the middle with a mess or shit.

A day. Fifth day, they're like, yo, somebody pushed the button on me. He's, like, you get that nigga out of it. He wally. That nigga Bobby Shverter Wally. Yeah, nico Wally. Nigger, push the button on me. You knick tried to hit me.

Nigger missed, boom. Nigger tried to hit me, he missed. Once he missed, he was on his ass. On Roddy little brother was with me and my son Gunnar-Han, Got him off him. He got him off him. Once he hit him, Fettie hit a bum, got him off. Got him off me.

I slipped because it was mashed potato day. It was Sunday. My mom, I got up. I was trying to get up, because I was just like, and drilling. I'm going to kill one of these things. You know, I get up. I'm like, I slip. Boom.

When I slip, I get straight back up. I dragged me. We start whaling. We start fighting. He tried to drain off to one of his homies. We're fighting this shit and the fucking CO. I'm fighting him.

I'm swinging on him. The COA everybody. The CEO like, chill, cheer, chill, they like chill. The CEO break it up. Boom. Once they break it up, I'm thinking like, he hit me already. So I get into the outside.

I looked at Fetti. I'm like, Fettie. He can't get me? I'm like, he'll hit me? Ah. He looked? He's like, oh, you go, Chi. I'm not going.

They just sent me the opposite. You have to think. Do you think other inmates were jealous of you because of your success? How are you going to be just a nigga you don't know, but people could envy us. They just let me know it. Now, at Clinton, or these New York State prisons, I was watching one of your interviews on Vlad you were talking about. I think gay for the stay, transvestites and everything in prison.

Who? There was, like, trannies. Transvestites. Yeah, transvestites in prison. What was that your experience there? Oh, it's wild trannies in prison. That's why he asked me if people get raped. I said, no, they don't get raped.

I said, now you do, they don't get raped, they don't get raped, you know, let you guys be out there with them, nigs do a crazy shit, dicks out there doing crazy shit. Me and the bros be able to be looking. Me and my son, cat, you'd be able to look like,

he's the dick, he's crazy, bro. I don't know. I'm not, some fat cat. I did my big winning fat cat. Me and him used to be looking. Had a fright. Like, Bobby,

look at this motherfucker about me. And I'd be with these young. These niggies wild in jail. Niggins get you. I'm like, yo, man. I'll be old in trouble. They'd be, yo, You know, the motherfucker.

Dink Night Cart nigs out there, wally. Things be wilded. I'll be crying and laughing, but it ain't like California in New York. Biggs is, they'd be happily like motherfucking New York City. And what's the shit called? What's the, what's the, nigga? They're like you in the city, nigga. They'd be happy like you in motherfucking.

What's the part of the city? They'd be wild with all the flags. Williamsburg? No, in the city. Oh, the gay pride parade? Yeah, but what's the part of the city that you see all the flags up? Oh, I don't know. I forgot what part of.

Whatever. They all are very weird. I don't care. So it was acceptable in prison? Niggas acceptable everywhere. They're big guys doing that outside in prison. The niggas be wilding, but niggas don't be in because them niggas in prison will wild on you too. I'm fucking, them, niggas.

They're niggas is a man at the end of the day. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't call them girls. They men, I respect them and shit. But that's a fucking man. It's a grown-ass man. What was my man? What's the most surprising thing to you about prison?

Wip your ass, that's a grown ass man, dick. He didn't dick a tripping, that's a grown ass man. Howie? What was the most surprising thing to you about prison? Um, nothing, really? Because, um, I, I grew up in, I'm juvie. So, like, surprising with me being in there. Like, what the fuck am I still doing it?

And I cannot be still be doing this. Seeing niggas gang bang, you know, like, I'm looking at it sometimes. I'm like, after I was like 25, I'm like, I'm still doing this. Then I think when I'm 25, I was chilling with older nicks. I always chill with older niggas. When I got to prison, it was me, Fat Cattle, I was chilling him.

I did my four years with him. Like they call his grandpa and grandson every day, you know him, tell you shit. So I'd be, and he's my porter because I'd be locked in, I'm going to key block all the time. So he'd be at the gate all the time. We'd be chilling. So he'll bring me my drugs and shit, you know what I'm saying? He don't smoke, we work out, we work out and shit. I'd be on key block and shit.

and shit like that. So I think that's when he's like, yo, man, he's just talks into me. Like, yo, you can't be doing this, my nigga. He's like, nigga, because he went to Jury, too. So when we first met, we used to be comparing stories like, nigga, I'm doing this. He's like, nigga, we're doing this in the motherfucking thing.

I'm like, yeah, because y'all started it. Nigger, that's when y'all can do an extra shit, I'm saying. But that's what it was. And he's telling me like, yo, bro, you can't be doing this shit. Look at these dumb niggas, man. You want to be like these niggas.

And I'd be looking at some of my friends that I've seen from I was in Julie with them they got 20 life 30 life and I'm like what you're down for you like I call me for the body bro I got 20 yo I got 30 bro bro bro you see a nigga going away to the shower yo ah yo shit

you like you're like like you know what 30 oh shit I got 20 oh yeah I'm gonna keep walking this shit yeah you know you're like 30 oh shit yeah I got two years left you go bomb my business nigga

you know what I'm saying you know I didn't 30. Oh shit. You don't know what you're telling you? You said, y'all, what you got left? Diggins. I got 30. Oh, that dick, crazy.

Tell us how you would smuggle drugs in prison. I didn't smuggle drugs. It was dead when I got there. And how would you get more of it? Can I get a slip? Almost a weed right there. Oh, shit. How did I get more?

Just weed in there. I'm fine and weed in the cells. Yeah, you were just fine. It was just growing in the cells. Hey, way out, way you go. You're right, oh, shit. Motho come in the trail. I wake up, food in the cell.

Oh, shit. Hey! Breakfast! Hello! Do you think the guards gave you special privileges and attention because of you? They put me in. Every house I was in, I could have fucked wild guards. I didn't fuck no seals in it. I could have fuck wild seals.

Every house they put me in had cameras. Like, they put me in. like the motherfucking most of care houses. I can't do shit but smoke weed. They're probably fight or something. That's about it. You can't do shit? I mean,

I girls be, damn these, my days are our age. These be becoming myself. My motherfuckers be, the C.L. Be looking at me. Jergo's looking for the C.O. She'd be like, damn.

I can't fucking see the cameras and shit. I'm like, yo, come in the cell. She's like, can't the cat. I try to pull them in. They grab me real quick run out. Shit like that. But you know, a little shit like that. You actually jerked off in front of the CO?

I used to hold that shit from you see that. They'd be out there looking, watching. One of the motherfuckers was like a 40, 46, 47, yo. Bonjour, compadre. It's the Priceline negotiator. How do I negotiate so many great travel deals? My greatest gadget. The Price Line app.

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Whichever one you want? Police. Our best one was the one in elevator. That shit was fired. I have fought police all the time. I always fight police. I always be fighting police. One time the niggas jumped me.

One time. This nigga D.W. from the hood sitting there looking through the motherfucking thing. Yo, D. Wade, whoop your ass, niggas, niggas, looking through the window,

come after. Yo, cause, you good? The fuck you meet up good. Niggins, dick, whoop my ass? Dink, fucking meet up. Nick! You know what happened?

I think I told me suck my dick, yurt. I told him that suck my dick. I see the same C.O. that locked me, you heard? My best fight is always the COs, yurt.

Oh, I'd be whaling with them, dicks, y'all. Fuck y'all dick's talking to you, right? So, oh, I did the same niggas who locked me with his scaffold. Fuck, I never forget them, Fisher and Dave with five buildings, two black motherfuckers. You heard of one of the black, little short black

motherfucker with the gray here with the fat. I know all the biggest laugh. We work on there, too. Anyway, laughing right now. Niggins who know who know. Fisher and David, they work in fucking, motherfucking of Davis. They work and fucking divisible in one of the fire building,

bro. I hate some things, bro. Word about black ass. A big black nigga, he looked like he was in the wood. You already get me tight. That motherfucker too. So boom.

Big big black seven foot bull, niggas. You already get me tight. Yo. So, I walk in, I forgot the nigga said some shit suck my dick I think

that's gonna be tight and he said suck my dick them look put me we start fighting you're we start fighting boom

the nigga said suck my dick he's like we're talking to I'm like I'm talking to you he starts squaring out so we start fighting boom we start swinging

we start swinging on each other we fight it then they put me in handcuffs after then they start fighting me while I'm gonna be

on the haircuts they start whip my ass in the haircuts so why they were with my ass in the haircuts I think you all you all right fuck my asses

you fuck my ass So now the motherfucking sergeant, I mean, not the sergeant, because it's not a sergeant in there. The motherfucker, oh, what's the lady names? The captain, whatever. The boss, she started running down the thing. Golly on camera, stop. Y'all on camera!

They're like, I don't give a fuck. They're trying to, once I heard they on camera, I dropped out. I dropped. The nigga said camera. I called my mom. I said, Ma, so these motherfuckers me. Dang. My mother's my mother.

Yo, y'all go get my phone calls from motherfucking 2050. Yeah, get my phone call like I did young time. My phone calls the fire, you, right? Ain't nothing with bitches on there Play or shit Y'all. I was like, I go get my phone called. So boom.

I called my mom. I'm like, oh, ma. The I-I-I-I-I-I-ha-ha-ha-ha. You think you hit me with hair cussing the door camera. She's like, Kiki your ass in a very much trouble. We've been to lead up people alone. What the fuck you did? I said, what you mean?

What I did? I told him suck my thing. But that would be they're supposed to put the hands on. That was one of them all. Crazy fight that we had to brawl inside the elevator. elevated like this thing. It's like four. It's like four of us.

It was like five, six it up, niggas put us on our heads. That shit was lit. We didn't kick motherfuckers, headbutton, niggas and shit. This shit was lit like, what do you think prison taught you? What was, like,

the biggest lesson you learned from prison? It ain't worth it. Yo, I had white my ass with my fucking tits. I had to go days with no lights in the cells. And I had to wake up sometimes in a box, sometimes one of the times in Clinton E-block, ooh, that shit nasty. Nigger, a little bit of the key block,

nigga, a nigga on 23-hour lock then. I woke out, seen a cockroach like this size. I said, oh, you think, a movie, that's the... I had to roll, I said, I had a roadside. You know, that thing. I had a roadside get my mind off off with that thing. Oh, you dig a tripping to this motherfucker.

I'm about to say, I'm about the boss. I said, what are you thinking tripping to this motherfucker like that? Oh, wow. want to get back into music when you got out of prison? Yeah, yeah. I'm about to release some music right now, so. But yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.

That's why I came home. I released music. What's your life look like now? Busy. Music's coming out. Fucking, trapping like no tomorrow, but not illegal trapping. I'm saying.

Business meetings, a lot of overseas, a lot of shows, a lot of, um, just, just, um, integrating into something bigger than I was.

How are you going to make sure you don't make the same mistakes you made that landed you in prison the first time? By making sure I acknowledge the mistakes I made that land me in there the first time. How do you want to be remembered by? I don't need motherfuckers to remember me. They're going to remember me. Remember me as me. I don't remember me as what you got in your mind and me. Remember me as what it is, with the real what you see.

I'm saying with what I gave you the raw. What advice would you give your teenage self before you ever landed yourself in prison? Listen to yourself. I listen to myself now. Listen to yourself. Do you ever feel like you need to make amends for the past, for people you've wronged or hurt in your past life? The people I robbed? Yeah.

Yeah, people I robbed. I think people I robbed. I'm sorry that I robbed you guys when I was young. I think we were we were both going through a phase. You were going through a fake gang wannabe. I was going through having a wrong state of mind and being too ambitious.

That's a dangerous combination. Being too ambitious with the wrong state of mind. Bobby, I appreciate you coming on the show today, man. Appreciate you. Yeah, thanks for coming out here, man. And good luck at your show tonight. Appreciate you.