Locked In with Ian Bick - College Fight Leads to Felony Charges: Forced to Survive Prison After a Broken Probation System

Episode Date: September 2, 2024

Charlie shares his intense journey from a simple college fight to being slapped with felony assault charges. What should have been a straightforward probation spiraled into a nightmare, ultimately landing him in prison. Charlie opens up about the broken system that turned his life upside down and the harsh realities he faced as he fought to survive behind bars. Don’t miss this eye-opening conversation that sheds light on the flaws in the justice system and the strength it takes to overcome them. Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Presented by Tyson 2.0 & Wooooo Energy: https://tyson20.com/ https://woooooenergy.com/ Powered by: Just Media House : https://www.justmediahouse.com/ Creative direction, design, assets, support by FWRD: https://www.fwrd.co Buy Merch: https://lockedinbrand.com Use code lockedin at checkout to get 20% off your order Timestamps: 00:00:00 - Childhood in Brooklyn and Long Island 00:05:45 - High School Memories and Changing Times 00:10:57 - High School Athletics and College Journey 00:16:39 - Unexpected Basement Rave Turns Violent 00:22:22 - Challenging the Grand Jury 00:27:54 - The Importance of Relationships in Getting a Good Deal 00:33:28 - The Decision to Violate Probation 00:39:07 - Overcrowded Jails and Delays in Court Hearing 00:45:10 - Life in County Jail 00:50:51 - Life-changing Brawl 00:56:47 - Starting a New Career: From Trophy and Sports Jersey Producer to Real Estate Agent 01:02:44 - Overcoming Obstacles in Life 01:07:45 - The Benefits of Self-Employment 01:12:57 - The Freedom of Self-Employment 01:18:23 - Creating Opportunities for the Previously Incarcerated 01:23:41 - The Importance of Putting People First 01:29:02 - Drumming up Business Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

USAA knows dynamic duos can save the day, like superheroes and sidekicks or auto and home insurance. With USAA, you can bundle your auto and home and save up to 10%. Tap the banner to learn more and get a quote at USAA.com slash bundle. Restrictions apply. I was born in Brooklyn, Greenpoint, Brooklyn, a big Polish neighborhood. When I was, I don't know, elementary years, forget exact. I think about second grade, moved out to the suburbs of Long Island. Okay. Where in Long Island?

Suffolk County. Savoy County. I lived in Massapequa for a little bit. There you go. So you know exactly some of what I'm talking about. Yeah, I did like six months there when I was at Whole Foods. Oh, okay. Yeah, I know some of the listeners I've said this before, but yeah, I was out that way.

Gotcha. And then I was in that little town near JFK. What, in Nashville? No, I moved from Massapequa out. Oh, out more like towards the boroughs. Yeah, gotcha. Exactly. So I was out that way, and then I moved back to Danbury.

Long Island's not for me. I have family out there, too, that live in Rockville Center. Bro, it ain't cheap. I'll tell you that much. I was in an Airbnb. One bedroom. It was 1,200 a month. For one bedroom, no kitchen, nothing.

It's crazy. You know, me and my business partner, we have a big real estate background, you know, especially, you know, when it comes to rentals, house rentals, you know, private landlords. In our area in Suffolk County, you can't find a two-bedroom apartment less than $2,800 a month. It's nuts. It's disgusting. And it just, you know, it does, it gives no opportunity for anybody else. You know, if you're not sticking, you know, to the script of life and, you know, getting your degree, getting your job, getting this, you're struggling.

You know, it's a nightmare out there. So it's definitely not the ideal place for the average person to live, without a doubt. What kind of family did you have two parents, siblings? What was the dynamic? I have a older sister and a younger brother who's autistic. growing up in Brooklyn after my parents got divorced, my mother got remarried and we moved out to Long Island, just to, you know, for them to give us a better life. So definitely grew up in a, you know, I'll say this, you know, we grew up in one of the Liliest white neighborhoods you can possibly imagine, you know. Mommy and Daddy, everybody's parents made over 400 large a year combined.

All my friends in high school got brand new cars off the lot when they got their license, the whole nine yards. But did I get all of that? No, I lived in an upper middle class neighborhood, but my parents were kind of bringing us to reality, so to speak. So I'm glad they gave me that level sense of mind, so to speak. So your parents were successful in a way? Oh, yeah. You know, once my stepfather adopted us and really took us as a family under his wing, he was actually a head chef at John's Pizzerie in Manhattan. So he was big-time chef for decades.

but he wanted to stay closer to the family, so he cut the traveling and actually, believe it or not, got into the coffee business. So we're a big coffee family. So he was raking in the dome selling coffee out of Mineola and that's all. Now, we hear a lot on the show individuals who come from not so much of a well-off family that get divorced and that has an impact. Coming from your dynamic, did the divorce have any impact on you? Oh, it definitely did in a long term. I'll say that. I was, you know, before I woke up in life, I was one angry kid,

which led to my said vacation into incarceration, so to speak. It definitely did. So it was, it was ugly. I'm not going to lie to you. It wasn't like it was all, you know, flowers and rainbows. It was a nasty divorce. It was a nasty relationship between all parties involved, you know, step in direct parents. And, you know, between traveling and stuff like that, visitations.

It was a nightmare. But, you know, in the end, as I got older, obviously, I realized, you know, everybody sort of meant well, I would say. But luckily, you know, we got through all of that. Eventually, my real father just ceased any conversation or contact with me and my other siblings. And it kind of helped, believe it or not, in a weird way. It got away all the toxic crap and helped our family focus a little more. Do you think that the divorce had more of an effect on you than it did your siblings because you were the one that ultimately got into trouble? I'd say that.

I mean, I definitely would because I bottle it up, I guess. That was the best way. I mean, don't get me wrong, I played a lot of sports in high school, so it helped me release that anger. But there was always something under that. So I would definitely say me, especially because I have an autistic brother who, and I don't mean autistic on the spectrum. This is 26-year-old with the mind of a 6-year-old for life. It can never be alone. So he didn't really understand everything.

But when it came to my sister, she kept it closed into herself. But for me, I'd say in the long run, it definitely hit me hard because I bottled it up, so to speak. Yeah. Do you think that feeling of anger was building up inside you even before the divorce and the divorce brought it out? Or do you think it stemmed strictly from the divorce? No, it was definitely direct. from the divorce because they got I was they got divorced my real father and my mother at a when I was at a young age I was I think third grade something like that second grade so um believe it or not

my stepfather and my real mother wound up getting divorced too so I went through it two times but uh the first one was definitely what caused the uh the rage the anger so to speak for sure when you're going through this angry period of time how would your friends that were close to you describe you. Insane. You know, I was the guy, you know, back in high school, you know, it was different back then. You know, we're around the same age, I think. I'm 33.

You got four years out. There you go. So, you know, when I was in high school, things were a lot more laxadaisical, you know, parents let their kids drink a lot more little, hey, I know where you are. Okay, go ahead. Do you think, you know, just give me a call if you need anything. So we were wild, very wild. And I was just a step wild.

When I got drunk, I didn't get angry. I just got crazy, meaning dancing, throwing stuff, you know, having a good time. When I was on the field, specifically football and lacrosse, I was angry. You know, I was just vicious, meaning I didn't want to hurt anybody, so to speak, but I needed to take it out on something, so to speak. So that's where I filtered my anger, I guess. That's a good way to put it. Yeah, times really have changed.

Like, I've been doing this mentoring, you know, know, the youth that have been impacted by the criminal justice system in Danbury. And I'm, like, just going to the school to pick them up. Everything's just different. Oh, it's all these rules. There's just, it's a whole different world than what it was, you know, when we were in high school. Right. 10, 11, 12 years ago.

Oh, dude, it's so different. And, you know, Tim's daughter, she's got four daughters, by the way. Four daughters? Four daughters. No sons. No sons. I guess I, my business partner, Tim and my stepfather, who raised me on Long Island, pretty much my whole life, they were best friends. So that's kind of where the dynamic for us came in

So he likes to say like he inherited me As a son he never had so to speak So it definitely worked out in the end But he's got four daughters And one of them has prom today It's their high school prom And he was telling a story how We were talking about on the way here

How they're not even allowed to have party buses Or coach buses anymore That was like that for us But we still you break the rules See like when I was in high school We literally each kid pitched in a couple hundred bucks Rented out the bus for the whole night It sat in the parking lot till we left.

We threw the driver a couple hundred extra bucks so we can drink in the back, smoke butt in the back. Nowadays, he said they won't even let you in if you're driven privately. You have to take a coach bus from the high school in all your dresses and soup to nuts to the venue. It was never like that for us. I know there was some, it wasn't like that for us either. There are some schools like the private schools and stuff. They did that to, I guess, prevent. I don't know.

It was so silly. You know, I understand the liability end of it. do, you know, from the school, you know, if, I think that's actually why rules change is kids got drunk, got hurt on the bus, whatever it may have been, but. Now kids can't even hang out the mall anymore without getting kicked out. Tell me about it. That's what they pay the security for to take it out. Plus, far worse, possible things that can happen in those places these days too.

Wow, it really has changed. It's so different. And you look and you're like just, wow, I remember I used to, when I was in Brooklyn, we used to hang out on the stoop, walk down the street. Our parents didn't follow us when I was four or five years old. Nowadays, I don't have kids, but I ain't letting them do that when I do. It's just a whole other level. Do you want kids?

I do eventually. It's just, you know, I had to focus on me because I was my late teens into mid-20s. I was just the fuck up, you know, so I had to focus. I made the decision one day finally where enough's enough. I got to focus. And, you know, I was a big long-term relationship guy. I only had, you know, a couple girls in my life, but they were long-term. So I'm like, I got to stop trying to please them and just please myself, please God, and just get my shit together.

That's what it came down to. I mean, I'm sure there's a ton of people that can relate to you because there's so many people that don't get that do the same things that you've done and been through and felt the same way, but they don't get in trouble. Right. You know, they don't get caught and they all have that because we all, especially males, when they're young. And there's females that have their own set of problems. But when we're that young, we do shit. There's a lot of stuff I didn't get caught for when I was a kid. where my friends didn't get caught for.

You can have a whole week of episodes with that, right? Oh, we had so crazy stuff. We used to pull people over. We would take my dad's SUV and go to Spencer's. I get a strobe light, turn it to blue and red, and we'd go find the house parties we weren't invited to, and then pull our friends over. Imagine you got caught for that. Yeah. Oh, my God.

There's so much shit, but my point is everyone does that. Right, right, right. You know, now, like, I was talking to one of the kids, and they're like, you get arrested at the school for silly stuff. Oh, it's crazy. You know, they're making arrests left and right. You write something wrong on a bathroom stall. You're done. I mean, why would you anyway?

That's a whole other story, but. Well, the big thing in Connecticut now is someone's vandalizing. They put tampon dispensers in the boys' bathroom. So someone vandalized it. And Connecticut's going crazy over it. That's wrong. Yeah, so regardless of how someone feels about it, you know, it's just, it's crazy that they're prosecuting.

the kids of this and that. I don't know. It's just way worse things to focus on than that. No doubt about it. But it just goes to show how much the world's changed, bro. Even cell phones. Like I'm reading articles now too in Connecticut where they're banning cell phones and smartphones in schools. Wow. And stuff like that. But, you know, it really is something. So you were good in sports? La Crosse? Yeah, I played primarily football in lacrosse. I was a late bloomer. I didn't start. Everybody, you know, youth leagues they have, you know, PAL leagues.

I really didn't have that. I just, when it was time for me to focus on something other than my issues and my problems with the homestead, so to speak, I needed to do something. So I started with baseball, killed it with that. Then I was, I couldn't hurt, I couldn't beat anybody up in baseball. So I converted to football and lacrosse, which everybody knows definitely more physical. So, yeah, I played all throughout high school, brought multiple champions. championships, both lacrosse and football. Many, many Allstate honors, the whole spiel and everything.

You know, don't get me wrong, that does nothing for you in real life. I'm not going to lie. But, you know, it was good to focus on something and have something to look forward to. You know, I was, I guess in my early years, I like to, believe it or not, I enjoyed kind of going to school and getting away just because of the, hey, I was with other friends and I had sports to look forward to. And at the end of the day, you're like, shit, I got to. go home. Okay. Let me go to bed as soon as I can. You know what I'm saying? Were you an asshole lax, bro? I mean, in a lot of ways, yeah. I mean, in the party way, not really, you know, I was kind of

it was weird. I was an outcast because like I said before, you know, a lot of the kids in my neighborhood, mommy, daddy got everything for them. Lots of money. Hey, mom, I need $100. Okay. You know, it was like that. I really didn't have that. Um, so I was Like they were going right and I was not following the herd left. And that was kind of the same way I was with my athletic community. A lot of my boys were dirtbags. You know, they'll at house parties. They'll pick on the little one.

They'll fuck with somebody in the school in the hallways. I really wasn't like that. I actually got along with everybody. On the field, though, I was a prick for sure, definitely. Football in lacrosse field, I was a prick for sure. Did you go to college to play or did you not make it that far? I did. which inevitably led me to where I am and how I got up in the system.

But, you know, I was a C&D student. All my friends in high school, they were A and B, got academic scholarships, went on to, you know, Marist, Providence, all these reputable places. I was not that one of them. I just wanted to go somewhere to, hey, I think I have to go to college. I ain't getting it with my grades, so my athletic ability is going to get me there. So eventually, in one of the Empire State games for lacrosse, we had a handful of scouts, you know, were there. And I got picked up by a couple guys that wanted me, so I eventually decided on a Division II school out in Long Island.

Unfortunately, how do I say it? I was making the decision based off my then high school sweetheart. So I could have been an FSU in their lacrosse program on their, you know, it was a secondary program. I could have went to Marist. I could have went anywhere with my athletic ability. They would have made it happen. It's just my girlfriend was going to a school 20 minutes away. So I said, oh, they're off of me something?

Let me take that. And so I did get an athletic scholarship to NYIT out in Long Island. Do you think that your life would end up the way it is now had you went to a different school? Or do you think that the path would have crossed regardless? I mean, it's tough to say because there were so many intricate things involved in my situation, but I'd probably say that eventually I would have fucked up somewhere. Now, to this extent that happened, I don't know, but I was never a school student. I was never a student.

I was only there I knew because, oh, I got to do something with my life, but I might as well have fun party and play lacrosse and do it at the same time. I never really had a focus plan. So because of that, and I was just there going through the motion, so to speak, I think eventually something would have happened to this extent, I'm not too sure. So what actually ends up happening in college that gets you into trouble? Okay, all right. So this was, mind you, I didn't even make it to my associate's degree.

I didn't even make it that far. The first year was very bad, meaning I didn't care about studies. I went, I was messing around in the halls, you know, the conference halls where we had our classes and stuff. and stuff. My major was psychology. I didn't want to be a psychologist. I didn't know what the hell I wanted to do. I mean, I just picked the most basic day. I didn't pick a geometry or I didn't want to be a teacher. Everybody said, oh, just choose that now and you can change it, you know, your major. Now everyone just picks business. That's what I'm saying. Now it's all the business, but it's funny because you don't even need a business degree to be in business. You know, it's the funniest

thing. But anyway, we'll get to that later. But so as you can imagine, as you mentioned, Lacks Bros before. They were quite the wild parties, I would say. And throughout the whole first year, there were quite a bit of them. I indulged in a lot, which eventually led me to dipping into some other recreational drugs, so to speak, you know, won't get into too crazy detail, but psychedelics. I partied a lot, so to speak, didn't focus on anything. So it's funny because all the seniors, I don't know if you're familiar, but all the seniors on the team, they didn't stay on dorms. They rented private houses off campus. You know, they paid a private landlord.

They split it with about three or four buddies. That's how they did it. So, normally the parties are real extravagant, meaning you walk into a house in Glen Cove, so to speak. And there's about 10 people, you know, chilling, maybe playing beer pong. And you're like, okay, this is great. But then the host takes you to the back and opens up the basement door. and hundreds of people in a basement raving black lights everywhere, cement, walls, ceilings, 20-foot, crazy rave party that I never thought I'd be a part of.

Believe it or not, this was not one of those nights. This was a kind of calmer night. So we're all messed up, and mind you, it's the night's fuzzy because I was really messed up. But it was a normal house party, about 30, 40 people. And I don't remember exactly what ignites. it but there was a crew from another school there it was our crew from our school there

I think it was over a chick I'm not too sure next thing I know I start hearing screaming in the basement then I hear screaming upstairs then I see cans flying full beer cans mind you not empty ones these guys are just chucking full beer cans at each other connecting them I'm like what is going on here so eventually a crowd just goes outside

like oh shit so we all go outside and then everybody starts going at it I'm talking I don't know exact numbers, but I would say at least 10 on 10. Bodies flying everywhere. Fists flying. And then eventually a couple of kids were getting severely hurt. I don't remember much, but I do remember there was, I remember one thing.

I was pulling people off, other people, and there was quite a bit of scuffs and blood all over. Me specifically, and this is important, that's why I say that. So, believe it or not. The night ends. I go into my dorm. I go to school the next couple days. I finally get a call from a Nassau detective saying, hey, are you Charlie?

I said, yeah. He says, all right, I'm forming you. You're under arrest. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? I got to go to class right now. Like, no, you're under arrest for assault, for a fight that happened.

I said, oh, okay. He's like, you got to turn yourself in. You got 24 hours. I said, all right. I got to talk to my parents. She's like, no, you got 24 hours. We can give you a ride if you want. We'll come over.

I was like, no, bro. I don't need a whole squad coming to my dorm and taking me out in cuffs. So I went to the, they kept me in a national, you know, a regular precinct in a holding cell, chained to a bench for nine hours without talking to me. Didn't say a word, nothing, not even fingerprints yet. So eventually it got to that point, gave me fingerprints. And then the court situation happened. So my first court date a month later.

So I'm sitting there. What is going on? I have no idea. I didn't even get an attorney right away at that point because I wasn't told exactly what the charge was. I was just told it was an assault. Usually at a precinct they tell you exactly what you're arrested for, exactly the charges here you go. Nothing. So I finally get to the first court date and they want to get me for a Class B felony assault.

He said felony assault. What does that mean exactly? So they were saying they were looking to give me five to seven upstate for a felony assault. I said, what is going on here? What's going on? So, before they went further, they actually brought up the judge. Didn't stand up, but the judge said, I have to give a viewer discretion advised, so to speak. If anybody can't handle anything graphic, please leave the courtroom now.

So, okay, so believe it or not, a couple people left. I was like, what is going on right now? Okay. one of the kids in the fight was put in a coma with his jaw wired shut and would need it to be wired shut for at least a year orbital bones broken nose cracked everything displaced missing teeth the whole nine yards i'm looking at this kid i almost wanted to cry because in no way or shape or form did i think i did anything of the sort like that um so moving forward my attorney time let's go so luckily you know we had to you know scrounge everything we had together you know we weren't the richest don't get me wrong but uh we talked to family members they got us a

good attorney and uh you know eventually i was off first my lawyer said do you want it to testify in front of the grand jury said what does that mean what what does that mean he says uh well you got a chance to tell you story and we can end this right now he's like but i want to warn you they got three people I was like, what do you mean three people? They got three people that saw you do what you did. I was like, three people, what are you talking about? We were all fighting. What's going on?

I was like, there's no way they could pin a 10-on-10 brawl on one guy. There's no way. So I said, you know what? I'll testify in front of the grand jury. I mean, dumb-ass decision thinking back at it because it was one of the scariest things I've ever done in my life. We're almost halfway through the year, and a lot of people are running on empty without fully realizing it.

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I don't know if you have been through that, but... Not the grand jury, but in an actual trial. Right, right. Yeah, normally, I don't think they call the defendant in federal cases to the grand jury. Gotcha, okay. Yeah, they just call the witnesses because at that point they're not looking to make a deal. They just want to indict. Gotcha, right, right.

So that's how it all started. It was voluntary, you know. I said, sure, let me do it. Boy, that was the scariest shit I've ever done, man. I'm sitting in a room with, I believe it was, what, 22? 22 of them, 20 of them, something like that. And this ADA was attacking me, bro. I was not expecting it.

It's like, oh, tough, literally talking like this. Oh, so thinking you're a tough guy going to college, thinking there's no repercussions, right? I was like, what are you talking about? Well, you know, we got three people. You know, he's going through the whole spiel badgering me, attacking me. And literally at times, I'm not, I shit you're not, bro. I froze up because I didn't know how to react. So I'm looking at the jurors or the grand jury and I'm looking at half of them are like snarling at me like, yeah, yeah, this guy's going to be locked up.

This guy's full of shit. But the other half's looking at me like, yeah, I can understand. They're asking me how, how did you get blood all over you and all this stuff? And I couldn't answer it truthfully, bro, because I didn't recollect every single detail. I just remember there were fights. I remember there were fists. I remember there were bodies dropping. I remember I had cuts on my hand.

And he was attacking me, attacking me, you know, badgering me. And sure enough, after two hours of doing that, we leave. The next day, I get a call for my attorney. This judge just dismissed this case. He's like, what do you mean, dismissed the case? He's like, he told the ADA absolutely unprofessional, badgering you and attacking you for no reason, barely, because he was talking over me.

He wouldn't let me answer properly, and although my answers were shit, I'm not going to lie to you. You know, when you're that messed up on shrooms and alcohol and bud, you know, it's hard to recollect the details. But he was just attacking me and the judge agreed. And believe it or not, you know, that was the one and only time that judge was on my side throughout this whole process. So he's, I didn't know exactly how it worked. So the judge said, counselor, get your shit together. You got 30 days to bring this case back to me in the right way.

It's like, I thought it's dismissed meant dismissed. So supposedly there was some vernacular messed up. It wasn't really fully dismissed and all this. Lawyers were talking, whatever. So less than 30 days, they come back with the plea deal, the big plea. Take five years probation. Or we're taking your ass to trial and we are maxing you out. Five to seven.

Minimum. So, okay. So, bro, I'm 18 years old. What am I going to do? My parents are like, you can't go to trial. I can't pay another 20 grand for a trial and all this. So I took the plea deal. Mind you, I didn't even know what I was planning to.

I was pleaded to assault, but as the judge is talking to me, and I'm about to admit guilt on the stand, my lawyer whispers in my ear, Charlie, I forgot to tell you, you got to tell him you did something. I'm like, yeah, I'm going to tell him I assault him. He's like, no. He's going to ask you exactly what you did. He's like, I don't know exactly what happened. He's like, make something up, bro.

So this is my attorney, you know, bound by the bar, telling me to make shit up on record. So I made up some shit, said, yeah, I was pan. Got in a fight, got on top of the guy, I was pounding this guy's face in. I didn't know what else to say. I was under the gun. So I took the five-year probation plea. And at that point, you know, I thought my life was getting back on track, but little than I know it led down to even worse.

Do you feel like you were luckier than others? to be offered probation because there are a lot of people in this world that go through something similar. Absolutely. That end up getting jail time for a first offense. Absolutely. I was grateful, bro. I was thanking God and my blessings and my parents and all my family members who scrounges this money

together. I was grateful. Don't get me wrong. I was grateful that I wasn't heading on a bus upstate. I was so thankful. How does it make you feel seeing the individuals you work with in your current role who weren't as lucky or able to have that ability to get a little? lawyer or to get a deal like that.

I tell you, bro, you know, not to get too, like, sentimental, but it fucking hurts. I look at some of these parolees we talk to on a daily basis, bro. When we hit the streets, they're walking out of parole and they're like, bro, he went to trial. Lucky you. I'm forced to take a plea deal. You know, one of the stats that we've come across of our research, almost 99% of cases end in plea deals.

That's why the conviction rate so high. Convictions rates 99.6, I think it is. Tim can attest to the numbers. He's better at that. But people are forced into plea deals these days. They have no choice. Even with, I got a good public defender. He really likes, he's really on my side. How could you even verify that? This salaries are getting paid by the people coming after you. What are you going to do? Yeah, that's the one thing I don't like about the system. That same people that are defending you still work for the people trying to put you away. But I've been interviewing a lot of public defenders and, uh, defense attorneys lately. And, you know, a lot of them are not too fond of the way the system is now with all of these attorneys not willing to go to trial. It's crazy. And having no trial experience. It's so true. If you're out there listening and your attorney does not, is a criminal defense attorney and does not have trial experience, you've got to get a new lawyer. It's scary, bro, because, but they're comfortable doing this now. They'll go to four, five, six years of bar, lawyer school,

so to speak, to pass the bar exam, to do what? And, you know, we actually, we were talking to a when we were at parole office one day talking to parolees, a lawyer just so happened to be there. He was actually just going into law school. He wasn't a lawyer yet. He's like, what are you guys doing? You're wearing orange. Who that fucking you guys?

So he's wearing a shirt that says, born to argue. So Tim was having a conversation with them about how constitutional law is dead. It's all contracts now. It's what attorney could get you the best deal? It's not, I'm going to go fight for your freedom at trial. It's, no, you're getting a plea anyway, bro.

let me read the terms of your plea and let's get you the best plea deal nobody's even fighting for the trials anymore but even beyond that it's more relationships true that true it to get a good deal you need to have the relationships with the people and normally like you got to have leverage right um like i just finished watching your honor on Netflix and that does a great job of showing like that that's real like it's all about relationships so true if you have a brand new off the street lawyer and you could pair him to a season lawyer that's been in the same courtroom with the same judge that lawyer is going to get a better deal than the new guy that just got out of college hasn't been there before. And it's so sad. And it's good that people in the system are recognizing this. Don't get me wrong. But, you know, it's tough to think, you know, is it too far gone? You know, it's so much damage has been done that people don't even realize, you know. Obviously, we talk to people who are affected by the system, but, you know, seeing the numbers, seeing the data, seeing the data.

I just felt all over the shit. Well, hey, it's your studio. Yeah, I didn't ruin anything. Yeah, even like contract laws. I mean, you have chat GPT. You could literally put in, like, type me a contract, this and that. You never know what is what, who is what, who's writing this, who's doing this. And, you know, even evidence is going to be tainted eventually because of AI.

You know, we bring a big part of that up in our program. It's like, how do I know what video is a video of that person? You know, listen, I am no way a professional videographer, but I've studied enough and take enough training to know this could be altered easily. I can implant somebody's face here at this moment and this time in the timestamp. It's like that fake pornography. And that's the sickest thing. That's why I don't like when, I'm not a big fan, I should say,

when people put kids all over the internet, you know, their kids doing videos with their kids because sick will steal that shit, man, and they'll do whatever they want to that. And there's no ends to what people could do to that. Did you get kicked out of college when you got arrested? I didn't get, I could put on a, How should I say this? Technically out of college, no. Athletic, yes.

I got put on a massive probation, but because I was going through the court process and newly on probation with all the fees, which we'll get into, even with my athletic scholarship, I was still paying about $7,000 a semester out of pocket. They just couldn't give me enough funds to cover the whole tuition.

It was for a private division two college, this wasn't anything crazy. It's $48,000 a year. So there was no way this broke ass was afforded in that. So I eventually, after the first semester ended, no, the first year ended, I went back like half of the second year of the first semester and I just, I can't do this anymore. I can't afford it. So I literally just ended it. And I said, all right, let me focus on trying to make money and deal with my probation terms.

So now you're put on probation. What happens next? Do you make it the full five years? Does something happen? Definitely did not make it the full. five years. No. So I got, let's talk about the terms of my probation first because, you know, although there are people that have gotten probably way worse than I did, I think I got railroaded in my terms. And I think it's because the judge had it out for me, to be honest with you.

Who, who doesn't say that? But anyway. It's because you're Polish. It must be. Nobody likes the ski at the end of the last name, bro. That's the way it is. You know, at the camp I was in, there was like 10 Polish guys and we called them P1, P1. P2, P3, because they all had the last. I'm telling you, that's what it is. You know, it's, and mine are even even that hard, it's just, you know, when the letters are put together in a word way, weird way, it's difficult. But anyway, so I was put on probation five years. So this was in Nashville County probation.

I lived in Suffolk County. So it was a 40-minute drive every time. I was forced Monday, Wednesdays, and Fridays to report three days a week. three days a week every time I went I sat there for hours I didn't know if it was going to be 10 minutes in and out

or three hours I had to sit and wait most of the times it was packed to be honest because all of Nassau County probation goes to this one place and Nassau is pretty decently big

so three days a week Monday Wednesday Friday driving 40 minutes away mind you I had no car so I had to take public transportation I had to take a train

that's a round trip train ticket three days a week that ain't cheap That's from, you know, out in Suffolk, and it's a 40-minute train ride even to Mineola. Luckily, it was right, the train station was right at preparation, so it was easy to get there. But three days a week going there, and then they stuck me into outpatient drug rehab as well, which I can get into a whole blurb about that, how I think that's just a farce in itself. but so putting all that together Monday, Wednesday, Friday is going to probation

three days a week in a county 40 minutes away with no car round trip train tickets top of that paying restitution top of that two days a week drug rehab where I had an $80 copay two days a week that's $160 a week so all of this put together I was losing my damn mind bro

whoever can get through that I give you props it was just really hard on me so and I was working too I was working you know off the book jobs You know, I was doing delivery here, construction labor here, you know, learning some stuff here and there. But I was like, man, this sucks.

It sucked. So I made it two years. So two years, my P.O. comes to do a home visit out in Suffolk County. He drove 40 minutes, random. Came at like six in the morning, too. I guess he was trying to catch me. I don't know, whatever. So he came, quick talk.

He was only there for 10 minutes. And he said, oh, by the way. I just have to let you know your judge. He said specifically, tell Charlie don't expect a day off probation earlier. Earlier than five years and don't even think about asking about transferring your ass to Suffolk. I said, oh, okay. And I don't know what it was that day. I don't know what it was.

It just got into my skin severely. So my PO was like, all right, see you Monday? Yeah, see you Monday. Since that day I made that decision. I'm never stepping in probation again. Ever. I said up yours. I stopped reporting. Obviously didn't last long. I'll say that. But I made the conscious decision to violate on purpose, so to speak. And the violation was not showing up. Correct. That's excessive, though, three times a week. Were they expecting you to do that the five years? Two years straight, I did that. And he told me specific. He didn't even mention, like, your terms would change. He just said, I took to your judge the other day. He wanted an update. He said, he said specifically to my PO, tell Charlie this. Let him.

No. Don't come here asking for transfer or getting off early. It ain't going to happen. That's insane. Three times a week plus the drug stuff. And granted, yes, was I hopped up on shit during my charge? Yes, but it was because I was drunk. And mind you, I could, I was of age at that on probation at that point, at the end of when I made that decision to violate, I was 21. It was shortly after my 21st birthday. And I was illegal. You can't drink. Bro, they got that 80 hours. hour rule, it's insane. You take a half of the beer, 80 hours prior to your drug test, they'll know you drink.

And I'm sitting there, I'm like, yeah, this sucks. So I obviously, I didn't know the repercussions at the time, bro. I knew eventually someone was going to come knock and don't get me wrong, but I just had it. I was like, bro, let me just do my time, whatever it is. Do I want to do another three years of this or five years in prison? And at that point, my life was so fucked. I'm like, give me the five. I can't do this anymore, bro. I can't survive. I can't make the money. I can't do this. I have no life. I was like, I was at one of those points where I was like,

I don't give a shit. Do what you got to do. So, a little less than a week passes. And I got a little living room slash den area with bay windows by the front of my house. So I fell asleep watching TV that night. Mind you, this is like 4.30 a.m. 5 o'clock. I was, I'm laying on the couch and I'm woken up by flashlights through the window. I'm like, what the fuck? What's going on? So I get up, I'm like, hello? He's like, yeah, you Charlie?

I was like, I don't know, who's asking? He's like, yeah, sheriff, got a warrant. I said, okay, let me see it. I just wanted to see my name. I couldn't fake it. They had my face on the paperwork right there. It's not like I was running or anything, bro. You know, I'm in Lily White, Seval.

I'm not running around, Sable, causing some manhunt. So, I was a little taken back how it happened, though, because as soon as I unlocked the door, this is 4.30 in the morning, 5 o'clock in the morning. I want to say there was at least a dozen of them. Mosbergs, MP5s, the entire, it almost looked like their whole armory coming in a Lilly White House at 435 in the morning. Each one of them had something pointed towards my family member's door. My mother and father are sleeping in that room. My autistic brother's sleeping in that room.

My sister's sleeping in that room. Every single door had a gun pointed at him. They're going through my whole house. They didn't open the doors, believe it or not. I guess it was one of those things like plain sight where they didn't open every door. They just, what they could see. And sure enough, they took me back to Nassau on a lovely ride. And I think personally, you know, that was the one.

I think the judge was good-hearted in a way with that because he could have done it in broad daylight. He could have brought that whole squad when... I was across the street from a elementary school, mind you. So he could have brought that whole squad at the beginning of the school day, at the end of the school day. For some reason, they specifically did it at 5.5 a.m. I don't know.

It's just because they know I'd be there, whatever the reason was. But they took me in. He didn't even talk, Bailey talked to me. Yeah, hey, how you doing, Mr. Bogdarski? Yep, okay. See you next month. Didn't even talk to me.

Put me in the bullpen, sat there all day, took me back, got me processed. And that's what started my Nashville County Jail experience, so to speak. How long does it take you to get resentenced on the violation? Never got resentenced, believe it or not. So he just had you stay in the, oh, so there was no new sentencing. It was just you have to fulfill your probation there. Nothing. So what is that three years?

Crickets. Crickets. I shiots. not bro. So was that in like the original court documents then that if you violated you would finish that term? I thought there would be have to be some type of violation. That's exactly what I thought, bro. Because when I violated, I said to myself, common sense, let me do my time, whatever I got to do. If I got to do five, let me do it. I'm not doing another three years of this, bro. I can't. Let me try and get two thirds. Whatever, I'll figure it out. I didn't care. That's what

I thought. So get processed as Nashville County. I don't know if you're familiar with Nashville County, I think it was about 3,000 inmates, you know, because it takes all of Nassau, obviously. It's the only jail there. Suffolk, I think, has two, Yappank and Riverhead. So going to Nassau and our pod, I believe, had about 50 people in each pod. And obviously, they did it by seniority. You know, I don't know how prison works. I didn't do a hard prison time, but they did it by seniority.

So as soon as you come in, you got a bunkie right away. You got a bunky and you're in there. until your seniority comes up to where a single opens and you go up. So, uh, got a bunkey. I'm sitting there. I'm not going to lie. I'm shitting myself. I'm like, okay.

Reality kicked in. Here I am. So one month goes by. I got my court date. I'm going to know my fate. Sat in the bullpen for nine hours. Didn't see me. Got on the bus back.

Next month. Got a court date. 44. Let's go. Okay. Sat in the bus. bullpen for nine hours. This went on for almost a year and a half. They're deliberately fucking with you.

Deliberately. And I didn't know it. I had no idea, bro. I thought, oh, they're so backed up with cases. They don't have time to see me. You know, because I didn't really, I didn't really gain friends in jail. You know, I tried to keep to myself as much as possible, but I guess he was trying to teach me a lesson. but one day finally when it was I don't know I want to say it was about 15, 16 months maybe something around that end

I got a court date I had no idea what was going on and he just gave me the spiel he said you learn your lesson I said learn my lesson what the fuck are you talking about I'm waiting for you to tell me my what am I doing here he's like well

you know I don't see you as a career criminal. You know, I guess he might have taken heart to me. I don't really know, bro. He tells me flat out, you know, I'm going to mark you time served right now at this moment. And I'm going to send you on your way. But if you come back here every again, you'll never see the light of day. I was like, well, okay, I won't come back here. Trust me. No more probation, nothing. Nothing. So I literally, by the grace of God, and I think it had to do with a big part of it, you know, towards the end of the jail experience. I think a part of it was, you know,

Because his, I showed him some sympathy because his, he had a family member. I think his father passed away. So my mother, God bless his soul, she had the great idea of, let's send him something. What do you mean send him something? This guy fucking hates me. Hey, let's send him a little something. I'm like, what do you think? I don't know.

Send him a card. Write him a little, you know, write him a little something. Ma, whatever you think. Go ahead. And it was about two months after that where I actually got released. So I definitely think that had to do with me and my release. It helped. But I can't tell you exactly why he did what he did.

I believe it was to teach me a lesson. It was a scary lesson because, you know, how could he know what would happen to me in there? And bro, Nashville County was a nightmare. Overpopulated. All the hallways. Imagine an ER where beds are waiting in the hallway. That's how this was. They were so overcrowded.

and had no open bunks. It was just Mercer was outbreaking. It was disgusting. And I was in there during Hurricane Sandy, but mind you, so I was two weeks where no COs could leave. So they couldn't get reinforcements. So they locked everybody in their cells. No showers, no yard, no mess hall, no nothing. Lock this in, absolutely nothing.

And it was treacherous. I mean, don't get me wrong. I had my experiences in there, but, you know, again, I am one of the lucky ones, so to speak, because I could have done a lot worse. He could have laid the hammer on me, and I don't know exactly what did it, but he felt the need not to. Well, see, that's the dark side of the criminal justice system, how much power they have, which no one will ever admit that they move strings like that, but that's like diesel

therapy, like with what I went through, moving to different prisons and this. There's someone pulling those strings making that happen. And it's crazy how they can. No one's going to stop them. And that messed with me psychologically, bro. Like, I wasn't expecting to see what I saw. You know, again, I am not a career criminal. I didn't do hard, hard time.

But, you know, that shit was crazy in there, man. What's something that you'll never forget that you saw in there? I mean, I would probably say one of the worst things was, well, one of the most disgusting things I'll give you was the Mercer outbreak. This kid was in there. I think he was about 22. he got vehicular manslaughter he got drunk wrapped his car around the pole

and killed his best friend in the seat that's how it always works you need a lot you know it's never the driver that gets it but he was a wrestler in college so that came about he came in he was a new guy

went in his bunk his bunk he got staff infection he got staff Mercer next two guys got it next two guys got it one guy had to cut off his leg below the kneecap because it was on his calf that was probably one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen when you could see and experience a staff infection oozing from somebody's leg with blood

and how everybody's got to be locked in for days because they got to sanitize the place which let's be honest they really don't sanitize the place but I would say one of the things that really woke me up in there was I got there was an inmate dude very erratic I don't know if he was hopped up on something or just came from the med center or whatever he uh

very erratic wouldn't lock in so two big COs coming over manhandling him around they literally pick up this dude because he started jumping on the COs and they body slam this dude like I've never seen head first down

laying there after 10 seconds of laying there seizing viciously so they take and mind you it took five minutes for them to take him out they literally leave him there. I'm sitting here. I'm like, wow, I'm stuck in this environment. I've never experienced anything like this in my life. And so finally, after, and you know, they're sitting there like,

yeah, bro, telling the guy's faking it. Yeah, cut the shit. I'm like, okay, this guy's season here. You just slammed his head. It's busted open. Found out two days later, the guy was in a coma and died in his coma. That was really a reality check for me. I'm like, holy shit, I got to stay away. You know, one thing I learned in there that some of the guys, guys talked about was the three gs no gays no gambling no gangs so after that it really you know again i was a newbie i didn't know what the hell i was doing i really stuck to that and uh for the rest of my bid just kept to myself worked out did my thing but i mean besides the food we all know what the food could be because mind you uh i don't know how commissary is in the feds or prison

but county commissary is a joke it's it's sweets peanut butter and toiletries it's all it is You can't smoke, nothing. Because I know, I think it's some prisons, they do SIGs on commissary. Not in the feds, but states, yeah. Gotcha, yeah. So I didn't have the luxuries. Bro, people were begging. Bro, get me out of here.

Put me on the bus already. I want to go up because, bro, the mystery meat, the food that was there, it was God awful. Food poisoning going all over the place. What was the worst meal you think you ever ate there? Oh, bro. I think it was rat meat. I shit you not. It's literally every Monday a tray, your rice, your peas.

jello and this I guess trying to emulate a goulash but it was chunky fatty meat with veins all through it I didn't know what it was and I ate it once

and never ate it again I lost like 40 pounds in there because I couldn't do it so I mean I would say probably that would be the absolute worst thing food wise and then I got creative you know you know the deal

you make those dryer burritos I don't know if you ever did those with the tortillas yeah you know well we had to make we didn't get to it Oh, you have to make it with bread. Yeah, bread. They would make a tortilla.

Literally got to take the bread, add milk to it, flatten it out, put it in the bread bag. Or they would use chips as a tortilla sometimes, too. You can mix chips in that too. And then, you know, you put, they had like a beefaroni kind of thing, you know, elbow pasta with some chop meat. I'm like, yeah, it's good enough. That's a taco to me. Let's go. So you do that.

Put it in the socks. Stick it in the dryer. And eventually too many people did it. And then they took that away. Eh, fuck you. Stop doing it. So got creative, though. You made birthday cakes and all that stuff.

So, you know, luckily I didn't really have it in too bad with anybody, but funny story, I felt like I almost lost my life, my first bunkie, because when commissary comes in, they come in all the same brown bags. And so the two brown bags for me and my bunkie were right next to each other. So I know I ordered Pop-Tarts, so I took a Pop-Tart. and I took the wrong bag and I took my Bunkies Pop-Tard who I had no idea who the fuck this was massive black dude from Uniondale and I'm sitting there I'm like whoa here we go

I'm like I it's my bag bro I took my bag so this was at like 11 at night mind you so I literally in the middle of the night I got up went down to the steel toilet took a bar of soap and just put it in a sock just in case because I didn't know I I wasn't a you know I was in a You know, I wasn't a shiv maker. I didn't know what the hell I was doing.

I just remember hearing somewhere, yo, state bar, us soap and a sock. That'll do something. So that was probably, you know, that was the scary part of it. But, you know, other than that, I did, you know, I survived in there.

You know, a lot of guys had it way worse than me, bro. I got to say, I'm thankful for the experience I have as shitty as it was. You know, it was a wake-up call. But, you know, even the end, I still in a sense, didn't even wake up after that after I got released.

I did happen to catch another small charge. Oh, man. Nothing crazy. I was driving to, which now it's laughing at it. I'm driving a jersey on the Turnipike, and I pull over to a rest stop. I loved my weeds, so I was puffing on my bud, you know. And this was before it was legal. And sure enough, in a beat-up minivan, six dudes, six, I kid you not.

This wasn't just an undercover. Six dudes in a beat-up caravan. slide open the door, roll up on me, guns drawn. I'm sitting there smoking. Yeah, what's up? Oh, let's go, get out. Manhandling me and everything. So I sat in a jersey cell for, mind you, my sister's waiting outside, freaking out in the car,

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So, again, by the grace of God, that saved me. But that was a lot easier. That was a conditional discharge where I went to Jersey like once or twice, pissed in a cup and that was it. How was your relationship with your parents? How did it evolve during your jail sentence and getting out? Did it differ at all from before you got in trouble to after? Did they look at you differently? Well, I don't say they looked at me differently, but this was after they got divorced.

So tensions were high. Don't get me wrong. But, oh, it fucking, it ripped apart parts of our family, no doubt. Like, my extended family didn't like my stepfather for many reasons, this and that. It just blew up to this whole thing. So it did make some more tension, so to speak. But, you know, as far as them, you know, let's say, you know, looking down upon me or thinking worse of me. I don't think that they were just like, here we go again. When are you going to

fucking learn? I still didn't learn my lesson because when I was on conditional probation, I still went to bars and which led to the aha moment for me, which the moment where it was like a light switch. I'm at a local bar in Suffolk County. I'd say about 50 people in the bar, something like that. And, uh, another brawl happens. Another brawl. And I'm sitting there and I throw one punch I put the guy to the ground And I stopped I'm like As soon as I connected

I'm like I got scared of shit I'm like I'm done here I'm gonna step back and watch So I literally watched The whole brawl I wish I had a camera

If I saw a guys ganging up Like two three on one I'd get out of I'd pull him off Then the cops show up I'm like oh shit So I sprinted I'm gone

And the fight Went down the block To an intersection So I shit you not bro I don't know if you know If you know if you know The outsiders I've heard of it, yeah.

Yeah, the movie. It was like the old kind of like 60s, 70s kind of look gangs with leather jackets. That's what it felt like. You had about eight of us and eight of them. I'm like, oh, shit. If my boys here are getting their ass because I can't just sit back and do nothing. So I'm standing here. My buddy to the left of me is standing in the center of our line with a solid Louisville slug of that.

and two of their guys from their line charge us and my boy is a lefty saying to the left of me he swings the guy in front of him ducks and hits me directly in the head I'm talking the spot of that bat where you want to hit a home run out of the park

connected directly with my head now I don't know if you could tell I've taken a lot of blows over the year to this side of the face So my right side of my face is kind of a little fucked up. But that was the aha moment for me. I actually went home and went to bed right away. I was drunk.

Just got hit in the head with a Louisville slugger bat. Bro, I'm talking the hardest one you could have possibly imagine. And I went to sleep right after. Fully concussed is without a doubt. So I wake up. And I'm like, what the fuck? Why don't I have a headache? I forgot.

I honestly forgot. Thank God I woke up, bro. But I look in the mirror and I'm like, oh, yeah, bro. I can't even explain to you the welts and the blood, the dry blood on my face. My mother was crying hysterically when she saw me that. But that was the determining factor where that was one out of the four times the last time where I got hit in the head and I'm thankful to be alive. Just being in that situation, that was the aha moment for me, bro. Do you think life came full circle because you got in trouble?

because you got into a fight where someone, you know, suffered severe injuries and now it got turned around on you. Bro, bro. It's the universe karma, that whole aspect. I get goosebumps thinking about it. I feel it right now because it's like your journey started with a brawl. Your old journey's ending with a brawl, but your new one's beginning after the brawl. And you're 100% right.

It's full circle, bro, because, you know, that was, again, one of four times where I took blows to the head in life where I should have been dead and that was it. That did it for me. So a light switch went off there and said, yeah, I'm done. Literally dropped every single friend. Every single, I stopped going out. To this day, I don't go out to bars. I do nothing, bro.

And I just completely turn my life around and focused on what the hell am I going to do in life? What am I doing here? Why am I here? And why did God just literally put another lifeline in my lap. I should have been dead. Could have been dead in jail. Could have been dead.

The other times I got, took blows to the head. Should have been dead here. An inch lower, that would have hit me like right here, bro. Why am I here? And that was the switch for me, definitely. And were you working at the time,

or this is when you first start getting into an actual stable career? Well, the problem was, I couldn't get anything, bro. Because of your record? Yeah. I mean, yeah, I'll be honest with you. I got warehouse jobs

sweeping forklift in the back making other people rich I'm sitting here I'm like man I can't do this I feel like a slave right now

doing this job like I was on the inside with the COs bro I felt the same exact way and I'm like I can't there's got to be more to this so after bouncing around job to job

because I was getting laughed at bro I'd fill out applications online I get a call back just for somebody to say, no, bro, we're not going to hire a felon. Sorry. So, okay, you could have emailed that, to be honest. Other ones, you know, they didn't even respond to you. And, you know, nowadays, they have AI that just wipes you out of contention altogether.

Before they even reach the hiring manager, they'll literally, oh, we'll run your social. We'll run the answer to your criminal question box. Yeah, we're not even going to move you forward. You'll get ghosted. but regardless I did finally find a sales position I was talking to Matt out there about it where it was Long Island's largest trophy

and sports jersey producer and provider great gig bro I mean the money in that is unbelievable all the high schools and middle schools all over Long Island this one company made bringing in millions so I started on the floor doing retail

selling equipment and stuff because I have experience in sports I did pretty well I said, all right, now I'm going to start selling stuff a little more. So they gave me a couple books, you know, accounts, you know, to try and sell and, you know, upsell and all that. And I was crushed, it was a family, it was an owner, and then he had nine kids and 37 grandchildren, mind you. This was the size of this company. So time and point came where I was crushing all of their, all of the heirs of the company, so to speak, I was crushing in sales numbers.

and the time of point came in a promotion and I was ready to take it and I didn't get it I didn't even talk to me about it nothing one day I just heard one of the siblings come in and say yeah I'm starting that spot next week I'm like oh really I just I just crushed you in numbers last year whatever that was the determining factor where I put in my two weeks and I made the choice

I will never ever move up or own this company in my life. There will always be a ceiling. There will always be that plateau no matter what I do. Could it been because of my criminal record? I don't know. I think it was. I sure as hell think because the guy knew I had a record. He gave me a chance. I was just a stand-up guy. I wasn't an asshole. So he gave me a shot and I produced. But in the end, it didn't matter, bro. Because when you get family members, friends, employees, whoever it may be that don't have a dirty rap sheet compared to a guy that does, not every time,

majority of the time, they're going to take the guy that's clean. And that decision was the moment in life I said, I am never, ever working for somebody else again

and never have since then. So you quit that right away? I put my two weeks in, but I honestly didn't even last two weeks. I left like three days after that, yeah. And was your next transition what you're doing now? Next transition was,

I was, believe it or not, I still had my real estate license. So, my business partner Tim, he's a broker. We still are to this day. You know, especially when my father passed, I went under his tutelage, his guidance,

and he taught me to gain of real estate front to back. And we were pretty successful. Rentals, property management, sales, 1031 exchanges, the whole nine yards, working with investors primarily. But then, believe it or not, how it came to be was, you know, Now, I'll start off with this story and maybe we could transition. One of his daughters wanted to be a corrections officer.

Hmm. Hmm. That's exactly what me and him said, really? Let's hold the phone for a second. And he'll say, the words that come up, you're 90 pounds, soaking wet, skinny as a railing. You want to be a CEO. Hey, I love your ambitions, but let's look into this a little bit. So my business partner, Tim, did a deep dive into the staffing opportunities. Then he started looking at, you know, other opportunities. And then he started looking at, wait a minute, well, this are the duties of this guy.

This is what a CEO does. And then stories started coming up like, well, that's fucked up. Well, and then the transition to the data came, well, that can't be right. That many people are going back to prison every year. And it just snowballed into a massive, massive two-year research project of the entire criminal justice system front to back. I'm talking everything from arrest, incarceration, release, drug rehab, sober houses, the whole nine yards. Attorneys, bounty hunters, detectives, juries, every inch of the criminal justice system for two years.

My partner primarily, but he brought his entrepreneurial mindset in his business because he'll tell you he was a Series 7 stockbroker, licensed public insurance adjuster, currently a real estate broker. started many businesses. So that was the point in time where he said, this is out of control, bro. Something's got to be done about this. So we were actually before this, during the process of this, we were looking to kind of start a business as LegalZoom,

where we help people, we give them packages to start a business. Here's your LLC, here's your corporation, here's your EIN, the whole nine yards. Then we said, well, regular citizens don't need more than cons do. Cons are getting shunned left and right. They face more obstacles coming out of the joint than anybody in the world. They can't get jobs.

It's almost a point of survival that these guys need entrepreneurship. And I didn't even realize it. I'm like, you know what? I lived that. I literally just lived that to where my rap sheet, my past, my dirty criminal past, so to speak, prevented me from getting gainful opportunities in life. And that's what formed into the book. he originally wrote, which was plan after the can, which has morphed into something more than I could possibly imagine.

And it's making waves because I lived it. He researched it. His daughter actually, the one that was a CEO, became a forensic psychologist, believe it or not. So stayed within the criminal justice system. And together, our trifecta turned it into a massive collaboration, which is what brought us here today, which is crazy to think about. because never in my life did I think that after sitting in county jail, I was going to come full circle again and help people that I was in there with, help people exactly what I went through and the obstacles I faced when they got released.

Never thought it would happen, to be honest with you. Now, do you think that if you never lived that and experienced that it wouldn't have had the same effect where it kind of clicked together when his daughter said she wanted to become a correctional officer? 100%. If I didn't go through what I went through, If I didn't go to that college because of my girlfriend and wanted to stay local, if I didn't get into that brawl and get arrested for a felony assault, if I didn't go on probation and violate on purpose, go back to,

if I didn't do the whole thing and have the second brawl get hit in the head with a bat, almost die. If none of that happened, I wouldn't be here. I'd probably be working for a boss. I'll be honest with you. I would have been in the back of a warehouse something or maybe in some boring-ass sales job with no purpose. And don't get me wrong. I'm not going to hate on jobs. you know,

entrepreneurship is not for everybody, but we, Tim, and I actually develop this program to where it can be for everybody. There's no excuse. That's awesome. If you want it,

that's what it comes down to. We can bring the horse to the water. Can't make him drinking, bro. That's what it comes down to. Well, I think now it would be a great time to bring on your business part of it. Now is the time to bring on

the mastermind, so to speak. I think that's a good segue, if you don't mind. So now we have the duo here. You guys are both, he was saying that you guys wear this all the time when you're doing your project and you're on the streets.

I paid him to say that. You like to say that. And it's a nice shit about me, too. Of course. So Charlie seguued us with how you guys met. And I'm curious, well, we knew you guys were together for a long period of time in each other's lives, but how you guys met to form your business. What was your opinion of him learning about his run-ins with the criminal justice system?

Well, I was always friends with his old man. Okay. We had a crazy history together. Yep. Did a lot of, you know, interesting stuff. Okay, but never got caught doing anything interesting, though. Okay? I always believe one thing, okay?

Anyone who gets jammed up is either stupid or unlucky. And a lot of my friends who come out, okay, wound up being well off because they took that experience and turned into gold. If it's done right, you know, because they're forced into self-employment. Right. Which is what the whole premise of what we're doing together is. this son of the bitch over here when he got jammed up and went to go visit him

he wrote me. You came to visit me, I got to say, give him props. I did. You know, bear in mind, I was a little hot when I came to visit you, so I got to be careful coming to visit there. But regardless, okay, he wrote me a letter, and the letter he wrote was... I forgot about that. Well, I didn't. The letter he wrote basically was basically

exposing, exposing whatever, his ambition. And that letter was like more of an impetus to me to say, hey, you know what, man? When you get out, what do you want to do? And he was like, yeah, we're going to do this. We're going to go gung-ho. You're going to start a business together. Do something.

Right. And I didn't dawn on me back then that that might be the answer to a lot of guys coming out of the joint. That a lot of times the employee shit on you, okay? And you get nothing, you know, nothing good happens. Right. I told them about the Portchiff sports. Oh, you did tell him that story. With my denial of moving up in the ranks.

Oh, yeah. Now, Charlie was telling us that this all stem from your daughter wanting to be a correctional officer. Do you think that if she never wanted that, then you guys wouldn't be here together? Absolutely would not be here. Nope. What happened was we actually were fomenting a business model called Start Your Biz. Start Your Biz basically was how we take different people, not convicts at this point, regular people. College grads.

I had four daughters here in college, going to, you know, getting their doctorate's a lot, you know, wonderful stuff. That system works very well for them because when you don't have a criminal record behind, you can do anything you want. There's no limits to your imagination. Okay, but when you do have a criminal record, your choices get limited, but the imagination goes even higher. Because, I don't know if Charlie has enlightened you, like convicts are basically, they're in a position that they're more willing to take risks. A lot of illegal hustles got these guys locked up and jammed up, okay? We take those illegal hustle, turn them to legal hustles. We actually show guys who are very ambitious, something we can't teach people.

We show them how to take that ambition and turn into a very lucrative business. And you talk about the curb numbering business at all? I didn't talk about the program at all. You know, we put guys in business from 1 to 5K because it's the only thing they have, they don't have a million dollars sort of business. We have guys doing pet waste removal and picking up dog shit

and making $1,500 a week. And they're so happy because, Jesus, they didn't think it could happen. Same thing with curb numbering services. Same thing with landscaping. We have basically 26 different manuals that we don't sell out there. We're not going out there.

You know, I'm a publisher, I'm an author, I'm the greatest. Take it easy. Okay. A lot of the guys get jammed up. Okay, they need a real direction in life. They're getting shitted on by guys who don't want to hire them. Landlords are telling their piece of shit.

I got other guys who, even with girlfriends and boyfriends, some girls like the bad guys. Other girls stay away from them, like that plague. Oh, I ran your record behind your back. And no, we're not going to be dating. I'm not going to bring you home to my mommy and daddy. Not today. Okay.

Meanwhile, it could be a great guy. Could have got you. But then again, again. This is not about getting rich either, Ian. Guys don't come out of the joint wanting to get rich. Not the guys I knew. Guys I knew came out of the joint got crapped on them. What did they have to do?

They had to go out of their way to start their own business. Not because they wanted to get rich, because they want them to survive. Right. Okay. And Howard started with my daughter. She comes at me and says, Dad, Dad, I want to be a CEO. You want to be a CEO? You're 90-pound soaking.

What? Are you kidding me over here? She says, come on, Dad. They got the benefits. It's a good job. They get to boss around guys. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on, baby.

Let Daddy do a little research. I told him we was partnering up and we're doing to start your business. Mind you this. Right, the one with the corporation in the LCS. Unbelievable. Like, it doesn't even click. It's unbelievable. So I'm like, oh, all right, hey, hey, Charlie, I need to take a digression right now.

My daughter's going to become a CEO wacko. We got to hold on. So I go in there started analyzing it, showing her all the little corruption parts, the little things that I found, not much. All of a sudden you start doing a deep dive. I mean a deep dive. Now, I was in a position in life that I could take a couple of years off

and do a deep dive. I did a real deep dive. I went involved in that criminal justice to the point of gate money, who the players are, the mass incarcerated from the DA, the cops of the blue mafia, okay? You know, all this stuff starts coalescing

as you're going through it and you realize, holy shit, what do you do when you're jammed up? Which is your solution? How the hell do you get out of this mess? And a lot of guys who came out tried to get jobs and they got crapped on,

They got felon friendly jobs. Oh, felon friendly jobs. Hey, I'll hire you. Of course, employees that want to take full advantage of you. We'll open up their doors and welcome you in. Licensing boards don't want to give you a license. They don't like the competition. So the good moral character requirements stop.

A lot of guys from getting licensed. You want to be an electrician when you get a felony. Ooh, good luck on that. Okay, you're going to get some problems. So these guys go underground, but they go underground with their own businesses. And a lot of guys don't learn, okay, when you go to high school and you go to college, they don't really teach how to start a business from the ground up. They just don't.

It just doesn't come up. You've got to learn that from the streets and then from a lot of books. But you've got to learn it somewhere. So after I got my daughter straightened out, it turns out that I said, hey, honey, let's get a compromise. You like the criminal justice system? Okay. You know, let's get you in a, so she became a forensic psychologist rather than a CEO.

And regardless, she actually works on trying to make things happen differently with inmates. But a lot of times with these inmates, the ambition is either there or it's not there. Our program works very well if executed. Because why? Because you've got to have that will. Once you have that will, forget it. When you get out of the joint, I'm sure when you got out of their joint, you're pretty lost. I would imagine.

Yeah, I went to work for someone else, Whole Foods. I was like him where I felt like the guys that are lazy get promoted and the hardworking ones necessarily don't. And everything has to go by their timeline. You could be, you know, excel at what you're doing, but if it doesn't fit their timeline of you've got to do this in two, you've got to wait two years in this role. Whereas in the job I have now, there's no barrier on time. Like, I can do whatever I want and like I could go as high as I work to get there.

I tell my daughter's the same thing I tell anybody I do business with, okay, that wants to become self-employed. You can spend your time in life, making somebody else rich. Okay, you're exchanging your time. to actually make their dreams in life come true. The minute you stop doing that and start doing it for yourself. And yeah, is it riskier? You bet your ass it is.

Is it rewards higher? You bet your ass it is. But the difference is, again, being that you're, let's say you're a guy newly released, a newly released inmate, you know, you take more risks. You've got more control of your time. You have unlimited potential. You don't have to worry about racism. Racism does not exist in the self-employment arena. That's the truth.

No one cares if you're red, black, Chinese, Jewish. Jewish, Christian. None of that stuff matters. Ugly, pretty, skinny, fat, doesn't matter. All that matters in the South Point Arena is winning and losing. Okay, success and failure. That's the only thing that matters. If Jay-Z moved into a racist neighborhood and he, right next door to a $10 million house, no white guy in the world is going to look at Jay Z like, oh, that guy's a N, uh-uh. He just became a Martian. He's green. Green is the rest of us, okay? And that's the truth. Okay, and I tell out to a lot of guys that come out of the joint because they don't realize, listen, you're not limited by that. There's no limit at all.

The only limit you have is what you want in life. And I'll tell you something else, the advantage. You're four times more likely to be richer, according to the small business administration, SBA. Okay. If you're an employee, you're worth about $90,000 after four years. A self-employed guy after four years, on average, worth $380,000. Okay. And the greatest thing about that is a guy who got jammed up.

did his time, okay, committed the crime. Most of them fess up. They did the crime. They did their time. They came out. Their reward was being forced into the most lucrative arena out there. It's called self-employment. Our country was started based on self-employment,

based on basically revolution, not evolution. Unfortunately, in the prison genre field, you got a lot of evolutionary people. Nothing against the creative evolution studio. You're evolving into revolution. The difference is a lot of do-good, as I call them, that they want to help everybody, which is great, but they're so restricted by rules and regulations of their own organizations. Nothing gets done. So we decided, me and this sick bastard, okay, decided to go out and hit the people directly.

I mean, geez, probation officers, pro offices, we're there, okay? L.A., Tennessee, New York. Why? Because we give a shit, okay? It's not about just the people, okay? Excuse me, not about just the money. It's always about the people, okay? And when you start listening to people that actually get out of the joint or on parole,

holy shit the stories that flow out of those people because you start realizing the horror of the system, but the exhilaration, the fact that Ian Bick, you would not be here today had it not been for your experience. You are a self-employed entrepreneur, okay? I'm sitting in your studio, okay, you made a conscious decision, and if you didn't have prison experience behind you, you probably wouldn't be here.

I wouldn't have any of this. Exactly. It's scary to think that. I have everything I have now because of prison. And, you know, I rebuilt my life after prison with a regular job. Right. But I would be stuck working for someone else and miserable and confined to when I had to wake up and this and that. And you have no purpose.

You could work for someone but not have purpose. Well, that's the main thing I tell a lot of guys and girls. Mostly a lot of parolees are girls lately. But, okay, it's freedom. What is freedom? Freedom is absolute. When you're self-employed, you're completely 100% free. You get to control the entire experience, the whole ride.

Okay, go to bed. You are free to be as poor as you want to be and go bankrupt. That's self-employment. If you can get through those failures, you're going to get to the success. It's a natural byproduct. It's like, if you take care of people, guess what happens you take care of people. The reward you get is a blessing back. And that blessing back is going to be whatever success you want.

You realize one day success is not just money. Success is people. Success is touching people and changing people's lives. To be a real change agent, change agent, you have to be a person that could revolutionize people's minds. Not just a slow evolution, because the evolution problem, but evolution is it gets derailed all the time. When I say revolution, I don't mean go out there and, you know, with guns. It's more books, okay, rather than bullets. Okay, it's more education. Okay, but reading education, not just with reading, because a lot of guys don't like to read,

books. Right, right, right. We made damn sure. Right. So, so pretty much, you know, in the gist of it, our program, playing after the can, it's an online interactive course. You got interactive videos with Tim instructing, links, sources, works, the whole works. We show people why they have no choice and it's their best chance to start a business with their criminal record. How, step by step, to start any business they want. And then for extra guidance, what businesses they can start right as soon as they get out, that costs 1 to 5,000 to get started up, but it can actually realistically generate 5 to 10K a month.

And don't forget, Charlie, we're going to make sure that the NPO's, these righteous people who are very good and tell you are going to cough up those government grant dollars. That would be nice. That's the plan. To the convicts. Yes. Okay, we're not allowed to say convicts?

You can say convict. Oh, we say convent. You know, we say proud felon. But that's all right. They're doing that, though, with the marijuana industry. They're prioritizing the individuals that have a record, which is great. Yeah.

You want to have more options. Like to be on this show, you've got to have a record or go through something. Well, we both have records. But the difference is, look, you don't get judged on your record in self-employment world, okay?

That's another thing about being free, okay? Everyone has their circumstances of why they're forced. When I was young, I was forced into self-employment. There was certain circumstances in my life that I was not in. Unemployable at a certain level, okay? Unemployable. So at that point, you had no choice but to survive. Survival means get up every morning, wake your ass up, and get out and do what you got to do. And whenever you feel uncomfortable about something, you're on the right path. Like when you're freaking out and you're thinking, what the hell am I doing? And your family hates your guts for what you're doing and your family thinks this guy's a mental patient. Success is not comfortable. It's not. It's only getting every customer's order right. It's only a point.

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But once you get to that certain level, uncomfortables becomes comfortable. Correct. So, Tim, let's break it down the elevator pitch for our listeners, because our listeners fit the exact demographic you guys cater to. And these are a lot of individuals who have gotten out of prison. I got a ton of DMs of people looking to find success, looking to break away from their job. They go to your website. They call you up, they email you, what happens, how long is it take to get themselves established? What can they realistically expect working with you guys?

Okay. The first thing that happens is if they're criminally impacted, okay, we read it in a performance. of parole. We give it to them. At this point, we're looking for guinea pigs. Okay. We were working on monetizing it for the criminal justice system, but the more people we met, the more we realized, you know what, let's get proof of concept. Let's get at least 500 guys. They take a course. The courses basically shows them exactly where they are at the starting point, what they'd been through. My God, the whole entire criminal justice system broken down. That's the why. Why they have no choice to do it. And how much is that? Absolutely.

part of the course. It's going to be part of the... Obviously, it's going to be $5 a month eventually. It's going to be a membership fee. We're going to give 26 courses plus that. Right. Because, you know, if a guy comes out of the joint and he says, what the hell am I going to do?

Okay, well, V, you get a job. There's two choices when you come out of a joint. Get a job or become unemployed. Now, there's a third choice. Get a shit job, save up your money, and eventually get your self-employment going. That's usually the one I tell the guy, hey, you just got out of a joint,

Take a felon friendly shit job, dead-end job. Take it for now if you have to. Save up your money. You only between one and five. If not, we get the MPOs to actually foot the bill. But I like guys that contribute. So it looks like the invested interest. After they learn the course and why, then they learn actually how.

Okay. The how part is going to be more the corporation, the LLC, all the boring bullshit that business owners have to know, okay? Plus the advertising and marketing and websites and all that stuff. Absolutely. We really break it down to, you know, Tim doesn't say this much, but I will. He brings his Wall Street knowledge down to a Main Street level. You know, not everybody wants to talk about stocks and this and that.

It goes over people's heads. It did for me at first. But, you know, Tim broke it down to a keep it stupid simple level to where I can actually understand. Oh, yeah, common stock, this? Oh, shareholders? No problem. You know, now it's completely understandable. And Tim broke that down in a way in the course where anybody could do it.

Bro, I was a C&D dumb Polack. If I could do it, anyone could do it watching. I'll tell you that. So they take the course, then what happens next? What can they expect? What they can expect, basically, if they take the courses, once they're done with the course and they realize the virtue of being self-employed and the power that it gives them, okay?

What they do at that point is pick a business model that works for them. We give a lot of business model. Freelancing, pet waste removal, give me some of the choices. Well, freelancing, curb numbering, landscaping, handy men, you know, it's a never-ending. We're always added. We have 26 of them. They're well researched.

because you had to find a business model that could be done between $1,000 and $5,000. Nail tech, barber, certain ones that could actually work. And with the licensing, how do we get around the licensing? Right. How does a convict in New York,

or they block you on a license? Which state do you got to relocate your ass to? Bro, bro, you're self-employed. They don't give you a license in this state. Fungu, you go to the next state. You can't do that when you got a job. You got that flexibility when you're self-employed. employed. You can, boom, go to the next

state. After they pick that, they start getting proactive in the business. I guide them the whole way. And eventually, eventually we'd be parting up with some of these guys. So you might invest like a Shark Tank type of that. It's an amazing business model. We're getting involved with the, eventually we're going to get involved with the sober homes too because the, you know,

the drug rehab center. We wrote about some of them which were frauds. Oh, they're disgusting. They banged out, you know, they're banged out the Medicaid, Medicare system, the Obama dollars. But the only thing with that is, I guess you to err on the side of caution with like the selling for people's down. Like some people get that bad reputation when it comes to the sober homes. Yeah, absolutely.

You know, like, you know, those people that are selling beds and doing. The body brokers. Yeah, the body brokers. Those kind of guys. Yeah, we know about those guys, bro. You don't want to ruin a brand by incorporating that. Absolutely. But I will say this much.

Okay, I'm a real estate broker for 35 years. I was also a Series 7 stock broker, 65, 66, you know, licensed financial advisor. I dealt with very opulent people's money, very well-connected opulent people's money, okay, that they wanted to make sure they stayed, hold there for second, Charlie? Like, if this is the law, they did this. They bent it, but they didn't break the law, okay?

They learned that the legal loopholes and the deductions and stuff that could actually keep them safe in the world we live in. How do you legally not pay taxes? I think what you're saying is, yes, there are a lot of those nasty labels out there when it comes to sober homes. But when you have the real estate experience behind it that's verifiable. When you're not a greedy pig, if you start not to be a greedy-ass pig, then guess what?

That's what it is, well. You're going to probably help people. That's it. Okay, the guys who want to take extra piss tests and say, oh, oh, you got to take another piss test. Yeah, right. How much is that piss test going to cost? Oh shit. Insurance County's paying how much?

Well, you know what I compare that to? and we were talking about the influencer world, like the creators that put out, so we get, as a creator, you get paid from YouTube, ad revenue, this and that. But then you have the creators that go and make a Patreon, and then they go and make this. Like, the only thing we have is a YouTube membership

where it's like five bucks. Right. You can see the videos early. But to go and produce separate content and charge people 20 bucks a month on a fucking Patreon, I know, I know. I signed up for the Patreon. I don't want to do this.

Why am I going to make people charge for this content when we're already getting paid from average? Right. We don't need, that's just getting greedy at that point, milking it for everything. Right. You don't need to do that. You know, you put people first, money second. But then again, hey, I'm talking to a con.

Yeah, come on. Where's your integrity? Where's your morality? Oh, wait a minute. So my best business partners ever were convicted. Most of my business partners are felons, okay? And I say that with respect because I know what they've been through. Some justifiable, some not.

viable, some not, but I know what they've been through. And the bottom line is that kind of honor, respect you get from people that have been through the shit. Now, people that haven't, they can be more deceptive, but people that have been through the shit, they know the consequences of doing something the wrong way. You follow me? And in this particular

arena that we're all in, look, they're talking about second chances. Listen, make your own damn second chance. Okay? You want a second chance in life? You're taking one right now, Ian. Here I are. I'm so proud of you because look what you're doing, bro. Look around. Thank you, man. Okay? This is your second chance. chance it was this is your this is your

where you're supposed to be this is your kismet right this is your karma bro this is like you were supposed to go through that ordeal to get here we're supposed to wear these crazy orange suits because why our message is more important than our egos okay once you get once you take

your ego and shove it under the table and say listen you know we're on the same team all of us are on the same team let's let's let's knock out recidivin but you got to remember you in the minute we solve this problem for all the guys who went you got jammed up and all of a sudden there's no more prisons and there's no more wardens and there's no more you can be out of business you've got to be realistic about this it's not in their best

interest to make sure you go from sinner to saint because they'll be out of business your success is their failure okay you know your failure is their success oh he's fucked up all righty he's coming back he violated parole all right get to feed my kids this month that's it absolutely I beat his ass too what the hell why not yeah you know what I'm Just in case. You looked at me a little cocky. I'm going to have to slap him around. Yeah.

Find somebody else, of course. Yep. You have that one little camera area that's never filmed at that. Cameras don't work. That one area. You want to beat down? That's the truth, bro. That's the reality of it, yeah.

Absolutely. But, yeah. And I will say one thing, if I can have liberty here. Preach. When I saw you at Tennessee, bro, you did that Tomo story where they accused you because of your appearances of being a trauma. And at the time, I'm thinking, that's retarded. It's a good story, though.

Right, right, right. But I'm thinking it's all about that, how people judge somebody based on an appearance that's actually not true. You know, and I was telling you before, I had a similar experience where I was in L.A. And I'm walking down that broad, you know, that walk of fame, walk of shame.

As I'm walking down it, I see the stars. And there's one star I come across that's actually empty, but someone actually graffiti in the star. I'm like, what the fuck is this? It says, Stain. Stain, if you're out there,

shout out to Stain, okay? I just show you in L.A., okay? And I'm like, wow, this is crazy. No one changes this. No one's coming out of the stores and saying, you know, we should wipe this out. There's no such guy named Stain, okay? I turn around the corner, and what happens?

As I'm turning, and I'm filming, by the way. I'm like, you know, I'm in the YouTube now. I'm in the YouTube thing. And I'm filming, talking to people. I'm just yik-y-y-jacking. I make that turnaround a turn around. corner and bang what I walk into a table laid out a black guy sitting there doing something with the kind I'm like oh shit I just walked into a Monty game over here and he's got

a hundred dollar bills and the guy looks me straight in the face and I'm looking hey you tape me uh yeah yeah yeah I'm gonna make you famous make famous you tell me give me your phone now and my first reaction is shit man fuck your mother I'm yeah I'm in New York of course I'm gonna say it's the first reaction there's a guy over there He's like a Chicano guy. He's got like tats all the way up. You know, I do. He had like an ear die.

Eye drop. He didn't look. He looked fucking mean. Okay? Another guy behind me. And I'm thinking, I'm about to get my ass whooped. I'm about to get a beat down here. Yeah.

This is going to be going down. Won't be the first time I got my ass whooped. Okay? Six times this nose has been broken. You don't get this pretty unaccident. Okay. I'm sitting there. I'm looking.

And all of a sudden, the guy fucking screams at me. Blows my fucking mind. pedophile! Petophile! Like, what the fuck? And I'm thinking, and people are starting to react. I'm like, holy shit.

So I yell back with this guy. You child rapists! He raped my fucking kid! These two big Danish guys about to whoop his ass. And of course, what did I do? I fucking ran, bro. Okay?

Best way not to get your ass kick, your fucking run. Okay? I'm proud to say that. Okay? I was a lot fast. Especially in the streets of L.A. when it's bad.

Yeah, I wasn't about to sit there and see if. Mike Tyson was hanging around there. Oh yeah, hey, you guys are fucking great. Hey, look at that. Zoom. But that tells you how far we're trying to expand this, bro. You know, L.A., Tennessee, New York, going to Florida and Texas, and, you know.

I almost took a beating for you guys, okay? That's awesome. For the people, bro. For the people. That's it. Gentlemen, thank you guys so much for coming on the show today. Real pleasure. Love the energy.

Tim, you're great. Charlie. Thank you, man. Incredible story. And hopefully this drums up some business for you guys. helps people. Yeah, absolutely. And if anybody's interested in, you know, checking out the course, you know, feel free to go to our website, fill out the form, get started, you know, give us a sub if you don't mind. Yeah, we'll have your links and stuff in the description and whatnot.

Awesome. And thank you for the gift too. Of course, bro. As always, thank you for having us. I'm like VD. I get around.