Locked In with Ian Bick - Confessions of a Female Cop: Wild Inmate Tales & Fighting Crime | Christia

Episode Date: December 8, 2024

Christia, a current law enforcement officer and former corrections officer, shares her unique perspective on life in the field. From the challenges of working in law enforcement as a woman to the shoc...king and sometimes gross things she witnessed inmates doing in county jail, Christia doesn't hold back. She also talks about the high-stakes world of catching criminals, the realities of being a female officer, and how her experiences shaped her career. #FemaleOfficer #LawEnforcementLife #CorrectionsOfficer #CountyJailStories #CrimeFighting #WomenInLawEnforcement #PoliceStories #LifeBehindBars Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Connect with Christia: https://www.instagram.com/justice_mom_rising?igsh=MTBqeW9vN2podDI5ZQ== Presented by Tyson 2.0 & Wooooo Energy: https://tyson20.com/ https://woooooenergy.com/ Buy Merch: https://www.ianbick.com/shop Use code lockedin at checkout to get 20% off your order Timestamps: 00:00:00 Introduction: Christa's First Podcast Experience 00:04:15 Growing Up in a Family with Criminal History 00:07:47 Overcoming Small Man Syndrome in Law Enforcement 00:11:41 Working in Corrections: Family and Conflicts of Interest 00:15:31 Understanding Inmate Routines and Structure 00:19:17 Exploring Protective Custody in Cleveland Jails 00:23:10 Balancing Policy with Personal Feelings in Law Enforcement 00:27:00 Inside Contraband and Inmate Tactics 00:30:49 Testing Point: The Dynamics of Gang Favoritism 00:34:48 Challenges Faced by Female Officers in Jails 00:38:43 Transitioning from Jail to Patrol Duty 00:42:22 Staffing Challenges in Law Enforcement 00:46:35 Responding to Child Drowning Incidents 00:50:17 Responding to Unusual Emergency Calls 00:54:33 The Importance of Physical Fitness in Law Enforcement 00:57:45 Challenges Faced by Women in Law Enforcement 01:01:11 Career Changes After Law Enforcement Powered by: Just Media House : https://www.justmediahouse.com/ Creative direction, design, assets, support by FWRD: https://www.fwrd.co Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:30 Krista, welcome to Locked In. We're at this Airbnb in Nashville. Thanks for coming. Thank you. I'm so excited. This is your first ever podcast. Yes, I've never been on a podcast before. So this is really different. And you're currently active law enforcement, which we don't get every day. I am currently active. What's your role right now? Right now, I work for a department where I'm actually both police and fire. So it's full public safety. How to go through a fire academy and everything. Really? Highly do not recommend it. I would rather go through the police academy like 20 times.
Starting point is 00:01:04 Holy cow. And then I also, I work part-time and a part of a FBI task force that fights child sex trafficking. Wow. I didn't even realize the fire department aspect. So you're actually like fighting fires and stuff? Okay. We'll get to that later. Turnout gear and everything.
Starting point is 00:01:20 That is incredible. Is that common in departments across the country in small towns? No, not really. The department that I work for, it's the only department like that in the state of Tennessee. Wow. That is so interesting and fascinating. It's different. It's different. So did you grow up in Tennessee?
Starting point is 00:01:38 Yes. Okay. Where in Tennessee? Bradley County. It was small county? Very small. It's near Chattanooga. Okay.
Starting point is 00:01:45 I know where Chattanooga is. Yeah. All right. And mom, dad, siblings. I grew up the youngest from my dad's side and my mom's side, a total of six siblings, like three on each side. I grew up, your classic East Tennessee, high class, white trash, trailer park trash and proud.
Starting point is 00:02:07 But yeah. So you guys didn't really grow up with money at all? No, no, not at all, not at all. My dad, he actually, he tried to kill my mom before I was born. Like, he worked really hard for me to not be put on this earth. Like, he didn't want me here. So did he go to prison? No.
Starting point is 00:02:23 It was just like a really abusive situation. and he was always just trying to prevent her from having me. He's a bad dude. I don't really talk to my dad at all. Were they together when you growing up or are they divorced? And your siblings were you close with them growing up? I had like whenever I was younger, they took care of me a lot because I was always the baby. But growing up, no.
Starting point is 00:02:49 Like especially in what I've done with my life compared to like their lifestyle, it's completely different. And so I try, like, I love my siblings. I would absolutely do anything on this earth for my siblings. But, like, there's a fine line. And, like, I don't, I don't mix work with my family at all. Yeah, are you the only one that went into law enforcement? The only one ever. What about out of parents, grandparents, uncles, aunts?
Starting point is 00:03:12 Only one ever. Wow. Like, I have a long history of criminals in my family and just, yeah. So why do you think that is? I just, I wanted to be different. Like, I always knew. that I was different, and I strived for better. Like, even at a young age, like, because I didn't grow up with money at all.
Starting point is 00:03:31 In, like, second grade, I noticed that my friends, they had nice cars. They had the nice houses. Their moms didn't really work. And I quickly was, like, changing, like, how I presented myself. Like, and I, that's what I did, because I wanted to appear the same way my friends did. I didn't want to, you know, show that I was white trash, that I had books holding up the bottom on the floor of my house with roaches crawling everywhere. Like I didn't, I didn't want people to know that that's what I came from.
Starting point is 00:03:59 And so I worked really hard most of my life to not have that. Why do you think law enforcement was what got put in your mind to that to escape that? You needed to become that. Well, I seen like what it was, like what it did to people. Like I've seen people be high, sit on the couch. And I didn't want that. Like I my sisters whenever they were teenagers They had plenty of their friends that overdosed
Starting point is 00:04:26 They were always in trouble with the cops And I just I didn't want part of that And so like I said I strived hard as I could Even if it meant in second grade faking who I was I worked towards that Why do you think that out of you got you know You grew up in this environment And a family of criminal history
Starting point is 00:04:45 Why do you think you never went down that path I feel like God has way better plans for me I truly do. And I don't know if I can say that on my hair. Of course. But like I truly do. And it took me a long time to realize that. But I believe that my mom also like wanted better for me. I was her baby. I didn't always want to be a cop.
Starting point is 00:05:08 In see, I was 16 whenever I had my daughter. I got pregnant in high school. I actually wanted to be a music teacher. I wanted or and also I've always wanted to be in the military. But once I got older, I wanted to be. I'm a music teacher. But then once I had my daughter, like my thoughts just,
Starting point is 00:05:25 they changed. And I wanted to serve my country. I wanted to serve my community. And like I worked where I grew up for the longest time until I went to this other department. So did you graduate high school? Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:05:40 And skip college? I tried college, but I just went straight to working just so I could provide better for my daughter. Do you ever think about what life would be like as a music teacher? never had the daughter and just stuck with music. You wouldn't be the badass mom you are now,
Starting point is 00:05:56 but it would be a different life. Yeah, I mean, I do think about it sometimes because, like, I love acting. I love singing and dancing. And a lot of people don't know that about me because, like, all they see is Krista at the cop. That's all they see. But there is a part of me.
Starting point is 00:06:11 I'm like, you know, I wonder what my life would be like, would I be living here in Nashville and singing in some country club or something. But yeah. Yeah, that's actually a great point. about your friends seeing you just as Chris of the cop, is it hard to, you know, you're working all day. You are a, you know, an officer that has to put on a certain, you know,
Starting point is 00:06:32 persona and then going home to like a husband or a kid or anything and be totally different. What's that like? It's hard. When I worked in the jail, I had like an hour of grace period. Like whenever I got home, I took off my boots in my uniform in my garage. And then I would go in and shower and everybody knew that. that like you just, you don't talk to me, you just let me debrief for my day,
Starting point is 00:06:54 let me clean up because Lord knows what I got put on me that day. And that was like a golden world that we had for my house. But my friends, it is difficult because like everybody wants to come up to me with like all these law questions and all this and they like name drop. And it's like, really? Like really.
Starting point is 00:07:12 Like you're making me look bad. Like stop. Because people used to do that to me a lot. Yeah, you probably got a ton of questions about celebrities that got arrested now. And everything like that, like the ditty stuff. I know we were asking you about all that before, but given like your role and everything,
Starting point is 00:07:28 I'm sure people endlessly are talking you about that. Because I have the answers to everything. I know everything. Well, it's a good one got you on the podcast. So was the jail, the first law enforcement role you worked in? Yes. I actually, I bypassed a job in the city of Chattanooga. I was supposed to interview for a patrol position,
Starting point is 00:07:48 but my hometown they called and it was a position in the jail. and I immediately took it. That's where I wanted to be. This is a county jail. What was that like working there? What was the process to start working there? Did they put you through training? Well, it starts off with like, you know, your basic drug tests,
Starting point is 00:08:04 like Eval. And then I was with an FTO for about six, not six weeks, maybe like just three. I didn't really have that good of training. I really didn't. And it was just like these online little classes and stuff that I had to take. I didn't have to go through an actual academy, no. but soon as I got out there like I had a huge chip on my shoulder like it was bad like I don't know
Starting point is 00:08:27 how I didn't get the crap beat out of me some days like I really don't because like I just I'd run my mouth why do you think that was why did you have that I have small man syndrome okay that's that's 100% why I had small man syndrome and was it also do you think that you had a lot to prove because as you were a young woman working in a predominantly male job in these jails? Oh, yes. Absolutely. Because I'm five, two. Whenever I started in law enforcement, I weighed like 100 pounds, maybe one 10 at the most. So that's small compared to people. Yeah. How would your male counterparts treat you when you first got on the job in the jail? When I first got on the job, people were very welcoming. I was part of the team. It was really great.
Starting point is 00:09:15 actually made a really good friend in the jail. He's like one of my lifelong friends, him and his wife. They're phenomenal. But yeah, beginning working in the jail, it was amazing. I love the people that I worked with. And what about the inmates? How would they treat you? Because they're probably a lot older than you or, you know.
Starting point is 00:09:30 Well, it weirdly worked in my favor. My dad. Somehow, like one of my siblings on my dad's side, like they were in the jail and they're like, hey, that's my sister. They're like, what? Yeah. Like, you know, our dad, like, we have the same dad. And my dad had like a really bad reputation.
Starting point is 00:09:44 He was a really big fighter. He was really short and stocky, but he could hold his on really well. And so that kind of people had this image of my dad and me that I'm not even associated with. Like, I don't even know my dad. And that would help. It was hard, though,
Starting point is 00:10:01 because I still had to prove myself, and I had to be firm, fair, consistent. And then eventually I got the respect and was able to build rapport and stuff with inmates. Do you feel like you got a lot of your characteristics that help you on law enforcement now from your dad? From my dad? Weirdly, it worked in my favor.
Starting point is 00:10:23 Like, people will be, like, I've had situations in the jail and I'll walk up. It's all about you how you present yourself. They're like, oh, here comes Kewood, here comes the Kwood in her. And I'm like, what does that even mean? But it's set like a standard that, like, yeah, she's tiny, but she's like dynamite. So him been small, it kind of did set the scene for me, weirdly.
Starting point is 00:10:45 because I have nothing to do with my father. And it helped me in the long run. Isn't that crazy that the people that like create us, you know, even if you're distant from them, they're such a big part of your life. Oh, yeah. Now, when you were at the jail, because you're growing up in a small town, was that weird? Like when transitioning from civilian to, you know, law enforcement working in that role because of the small town vibes?
Starting point is 00:11:09 Oh, yes. Like it was, everybody knew me. It was hard. but it weirdly helped me because they they knew what kind of person I was. Like they knew that I wasn't just one of those people that were bullied in high school and I wanted to go become a cop. Like they knew like why. Like I became a cop. Some of them knew they didn't know me, but they knew my parents.
Starting point is 00:11:32 They knew what I came from and they respected that. And how did your, um, the father of your child react to working in a jail? Like you just had a kid. Like that can be a good thing, right? So when I was in high school, I went through a party phase. I met this guy. Great guy. And yeah, he didn't care.
Starting point is 00:12:02 Oh, so he's... I'm happy he wasn't in jail while I worked there. Wow. Okay. So it didn't matter. It didn't make a difference. No, no, did not matter at all. And what about your siblings and your mom?
Starting point is 00:12:11 How did they react to you working there? My mom was excited for me. My sister actually got out of jail. A week before I first started. Wow. And then it kept her out of jail, though. Me working there, it kept her out of jail. Would you have been allowed to work in there if she was there?
Starting point is 00:12:27 I know you said you had a brother technically. I would have had to, like, be distant from her. Like, I wouldn't be able to work in the same block that she was in. And so, like, I would be separated from her. Yeah, you know, in Fed prison, they don't even let that happen. Wow. They call conflicts of interest and stuff. They ship you all the way somewhere else.
Starting point is 00:12:43 Oh, wow. Yeah, I dated this girl, and her cousin worked at the prison I was in. and they put me in solitary just because he was stationed at that prison. Like a distant cousin? Like what was your girlfriend's? Ex-girlfriend's cousin who came over once for a barbecue, and they called it a conflict of interest. Wow.
Starting point is 00:13:00 Yeah, he was like a super cop, and he, you know, made a big spiel out of it. But it was crazy. But those are the small town, you know, vibes that you guys have a little more leeway. Yeah, that's impossible with a small town. Yeah, I can imagine. You wouldn't have jailers. How many inmates were at? that facility? We hold about 700. 700? This is a big jail. Yeah, it's also, there's a workhouse
Starting point is 00:13:24 connected to it. Okay. Interesting. And what were some of like things you were surprised about seeing while working in this facility? When I first started, just the things that people would do, I'm just like, what the heck? Like seriously, I couldn't believe some of the things people would do, but like fights and stuff. Like, it was the first time, like, I had seen. seen a dead body or it seemed like a hanging or a suicide and stuff like that like i've never seen anything like that until i started working in the jail or you know you got your typical you know crap smearing on the wall that whole thing seen a girl eat a tampon once that was pretty disgusting a girl ate a tampon yeah what was that like as a like a suicide type thing
Starting point is 00:14:06 she was in booking and whoever searched her in like they obviously didn't handle that and she was on she was actually on suicide watch and yeah Wow. Now at these facilities, everyone's mainly locked down in the pods and whatnot? Yeah. Where I worked, it was direct supervision. So unless there was an officer in there, you were locked up. Okay. And what was like a typical shift like for you? Were you working mornings, afternoons, nights, or? I worked day shift unless I was wanting to do overtime. But it would typically start at 545 a.m. roll call. And then we would go out, get our cleaning supplies, and then start feeding on breakfast and stuff. And if we weren't short-staffed.
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Starting point is 00:15:41 Is that very common? these types of jobs? Yes. Why do you think that is? Especially like in corrections, it's dirty. Like you either, you're good at it and you're passionate about it or you just flat out suck. I mean, it's the truth.
Starting point is 00:15:54 Like, people are just not cut out for it sometimes. And you, you, me personally, I feel like you genuinely have to like people. And people in corrections, their colors show real fast. What is working in corrections taught you about the men and women that are incarcerated, and maybe like weird habits they pick up or just how they live in general, you know? I always love when people get out of jail and they're like still addicted to ramen and like and all this stuff that they eat the jail. It's really funny.
Starting point is 00:16:23 But my mindset, ask the question again, I'm sorry. Just about like things you've learned about, you know, the men and women that are incarcerated, like being that close to them but also distant and just kind of seeing like the habits. And you're basically living with the person. Well, they're creatures of habit. All criminals are creature of habit. Humans are creature of habit. But they're people too.
Starting point is 00:16:45 That was like I had a huge change of heart at some point and they're people too. But just their routine. Criminals love routine. Like I mean, me personally, like if something goes wrong in my schedule, like I flip out, I get mad. I don't like it. And so like whenever you're living in a place like that, like they want structure. They're, what is it called? I can't think of the word.
Starting point is 00:17:05 Is it facilitized? I don't know. But like they're, you. to the structure. They want the structure. They thrive off the structure. And then if something, you know, sets them off their schedule of the day, that's whenever people blow up. They do. And I noticed that a lot, especially in the pods. Do you ever get interested back then of what the person was in prison for? Like, did you ever look at someone and be like, I wonder what they did to get here and then go and maybe look them up? I always did. I always did my research.
Starting point is 00:17:33 Okay. For the safety. And I, can I dig into that real quick? Of course. So I always, I always would look up people's charges for the safety of other inmates and myself. I would. Whenever I first started in corrections, I held that, like, I would judge people for it. There was a woman. She actually, she went and got high in a house and she left her infant in the car. And she killed him.
Starting point is 00:18:00 Well, she didn't kill him, but he died in the car. And I remember looking at this woman, I'm like, like, I just, she was so dark. I couldn't stand her. And I just, ugh. I still, you know, I treated her respectfully and everything, but just in my heart, like, I just could not stand this woman. And then I went home one day and I just, my heart just felt so convicted for her. My heart was hurting so bad for her. And I kept thinking about her nonstop.
Starting point is 00:18:24 And I'm like, like, what is happening? Like, why am I so sensitive to her right now? And I went back the next day and she was having a really rough day. And I was like, hey, like, what's up with you? You know, I'm sensing there's something going on and she just broke down and cried. I prayed over, and it was actually her son's birthday that day. And ever since then, like, I just, I had to change apart. Yes, I do look up people's charges for the safety and everything of my well-being and
Starting point is 00:18:51 as well as other inmates, but I do not hold people's charges against them at all, at all. What have you learned about yourself while working in a facility like that? I feel like when, you know, individuals are working those types of jobs, they often, you know, learn more about themselves by seeing how others are at their lowest points of their life. It makes you view the world differently. It makes me more cautious in my daily life. And I didn't realize that I had anxiety and stuff like that until I started working in law enforcement. But I thought that I wasn't really a merciful person. Like I said, whenever I first started, I had a huge tip on my shoulder. I really did. But the compassion that I had for people and
Starting point is 00:19:37 like how much I truly just loved people. And I didn't realize about that myself. Like I didn't. Like I just, because I truly started like caring about the well-being for people. Like I looked at them. I didn't look at them as an inmate. Like that's somebody's daughter.
Starting point is 00:19:51 That's somebody's dad, mother. Like, that is somebody's person. And I started viewing them that way. And I just had such compassion for them. And I didn't realize I was a compassion person. The inmates in general housed at this facility like that, just the regular inmates.
Starting point is 00:20:06 What are their typical sentences that are that they're being held there for? Most of them are there for like violation or probation, drug charges and stuff until like they go to trial and then once they're convicted and then they'll go to prison. So no one's actually serving a full sentence there? No. Like the most that people are there like two years at the most. Okay. And what are the general charges that you've encountered there? Like the typical mass population is the jail.
Starting point is 00:20:34 it was like I said VOP drug charges and then you'd have your people there for domestics and stuff but I mean we have had a lot of murders in Cleveland and then there's plenty of chomas Oh so you know what a choma was Oh yes yes we had like
Starting point is 00:20:48 It was called B-Pod It was like complete PC Did you ever get weird requests from guys That were in general pop That wanted to go to protective custody? Yeah And what kind of requests were those Like how do they say that they want to go
Starting point is 00:21:04 to protective custody. Well, typically, like, and I've noticed it that people, like, they would request it and then it would get denied, obviously, and then they would do things in order for them to be put in PC. And is protective custody completely safe? Like, no one's getting injured in there? Yes and no, because, like, where I worked, they, like, you had people that could not be out by their self at all, and they would let them out.
Starting point is 00:21:29 But then they would do, like, a tear at a time. because most of them were chomos and like they were they were different the ones that would get put in PC Are there ever times where someone in Jen Pop would fake going to protective custody to get to someone in protective custody? They have but knowing and this is this is some situations where Krista knows what she's talking about and listen. Luckily nothing happened to this inmate and I kept telling them over and over and over. I'm like listen like there's like a connection here. like he's getting in there to get to him. Like seriously, listen.
Starting point is 00:22:04 And then one night a door did get popped, but he didn't get hurt too bad. I wasn't working that night or anything. But I was just like, see, I told you all. I told you all it was going to happen because I dig a little too much. Now, in these county facilities, is it possible for like a Chomo
Starting point is 00:22:22 to live in Jen Pop or not at all? It typically does not happen. It typically doesn't. They have like their own little community. That's what I was. talking about with my husband the other night because we were talking about like the psychology of of pedophiles and like whenever we would go do a shakedown in that PC it was just weird like they would collect the weirdest things and like and it would just be clean like seriously
Starting point is 00:22:50 they would collect wrappings from their commissary and they would just like fold it all the same way and like organize it and it was just like this organized clutter of trash I've never never seen trash so organized. And I typically didn't work that pod, but like seeing, I'm like, why in the heck can't y'all do anything about this? But it was just, it was the weirdest things, just like the weird things that they would do and talking to them, you could tell that like they just, they mentally were not right. What was the general age group of these sex offenders? Um, I would, I would say from like 30 to like 50, but like that mid age, that mid age right there. Would you ever have a young one come through or no? Um, no, not really. There was like,
Starting point is 00:23:31 some, you know, looking back on it, that doesn't really make sense. That there was some younger people that were put in PC, like for their safety. But we had an APOD as well. And they would put like younger people in PC. Did you ever run into sex offenders that you knew from the streets that you were like, wow, that guy is a sex offender? I have one that like, but he didn't have sex charge, like on like child predator charges, but he was a registered sex offender.
Starting point is 00:24:01 for something that he did, but I knew that it didn't involve a child. But I've never really seen like another one on this street like while I'm working. Was it hard to be a mom working in that facility, knowing that those individuals were there, but you had to kind of treat them as you were to treat the others? So this is where like a professional Krista comes in and then like what I think is right. Because there was times where, you know, I had to put my feelings to the side. like I had to abide by policy and put my feelings to the side.
Starting point is 00:24:33 It did not, like their charges did not matter. And that was difficult. That was hard. But I was there for the safety and security of those inmates. And I had to put my feelings to the side. And it does. It sucks. And when you would later on become a cop,
Starting point is 00:24:49 would you end up responding to calls where there was child defenses? Or is that more like a detective's role? It's more of a detective's role, but I would take like the first individual. report. And since I was a female, I would always be the one getting dragged into those. And I didn't care because I took it personal, like with my child history. And I would, like, people didn't care to talk to me. I would ask those hard questions. And they would just open up to me and tell me. And I, like, I had no problem doing the initial reports. But it, like, later on, it was all just at the
Starting point is 00:25:22 detective level. Yeah, I'm sure it helped the parents and the children involved seeing a female responding to them who is also a mother. Oh, yeah. Did you ever eat when you were at the jail? Did you eat the prison, the inmates' food at all? Did you ever, like, were you surprised by that? So I was pregnant for like my first year working there. I was, I got pregnant like three months in and they put me in the kitchen for a little while.
Starting point is 00:25:50 And then eventually I worked control, which is like people call it the bubble or whatever, but it's control. But I worked in the kitchen and there was this old woman that was in jail and she worked in the kitchen and she made me best biscuits. And I would eat them. I wouldn't eat anything else
Starting point is 00:26:08 but I would eat the biscuits that she would make. And the food in general, you didn't like any of the other food? No, it was terrible. We had a food service there and whenever I worked in the kitchen I actually got into it with him because I am very, very firm on inmate rights.
Starting point is 00:26:24 I'm by the book. I'm firm, fair, consistent. and this guy was like watering down the food the inmates were eating like just to pinch every little penny just so he could get his quota that the sheriff was going to give him and I told him I was like you can't do this like this isn't right and then I got banned from the kitchen because I was like I'm like this isn't okay like and I would tell my supervisor and stuff and he agreed with me and it just it wasn't right he was watering down the food and then I got kicked out so out of the five years you you were there, how long was the point where you got or were you left and then came back at what mark on that? I, like, I worked there for a year. I took a year off and then they hired me back. And whenever I came back, like, I was an expert. Like, they were not going to get one by home. I was young. Like, I'll admit it. I was young. And luckily, like, it didn't get to the point, like, where most people were they get in so deep. Do you feel like a lot of young law enforcement
Starting point is 00:27:23 officers get into it that deep because they're young and don't have the experience? Yeah. Yeah. And you have to see it for what it is. Was there a lot that changed from the time you left to the time you came back? Yeah, we were more short-staffed. It was terrible. But the standard of everything, it was pretty much the same. What were some interesting, you know, contraband items that you guys are finding during like sell shakedowns or inmate weapons that, they were creating. Well, obviously, like your normal razors, um, drugs were getting smuggled in really easy. And that, that was something that, again, I took it personal. Um, there was a shank. At one point,
Starting point is 00:28:08 like we had a hot water pot. How this got approved, I don't know, but we had a hot water pot and, um, for people's ramen and somebody threw it on somebody's face. But it was just like your basic stuff, um, just like your small shanks, because I mean, it wasn't a federal prison or anything. Small shanks, razors. They would like hide their razors in their soap and stuff. People hated whenever I used to search their shells. Cells because I would like triple glove. I would search the toilet.
Starting point is 00:28:36 I would search the trash because like anything foul and disgusting, that's where people are going to hide stuff. Were you petty? Like would you take like a fruit from or anything like that? Well, yes. If it was fruit, I would definitely take the fruit because they make who to that. Yeah, but you got to let the guy have an apple or something. And what if you genuinely want to be a house?
Starting point is 00:28:53 Well, you can buy commissary and then, like, keep your stash. But, like, the sanitation issue would be my reasoning for that because I wouldn't want that to rot in stuff in their sill. What was, like, a weird item you found in there? Oh, wow. There was this officer that, like, would bring in cleaning supplies. And I felt like a full bottle of Fabuloso. It was really weird.
Starting point is 00:29:16 It was really weird. It made me mad. Why do you think he had that? Just to make the pod clean, like, is why the office. brought it in like I get it but like that's still bringing in contraband and it was just this little Hispanic gun he's like oh no no I don't know and I'm like you can't have this and then he he pretty said that an officer brought it into him so um do you think that there's a lot of corrupt correctional officers where you work there there was and whenever I came back I felt like I was an expert and I would
Starting point is 00:29:46 try to educate young officers on inmate games and the corrupt ones were they ever exposed or did you ever, you know, expose them or do you kind of just, you don't want to be labeled as that snitch? I was. You were the snitch? Yeah, I would get the bad apples out. Like, and I would tell, like, hey, you need to watch this guy. Or, like, I would, like, and I would even kindly take that, that new officer to the side, like, hey, you know, like, just trying to, like, keep them in check. But there was times, like, I would work with my lieutenant and we would, we would get the bad apples out. Wow. I learned the hard way. And luckily, like, most people don't get the opportunity that I got. and I was able to learn from my mistakes and literally see it textbook for what it was,
Starting point is 00:30:26 whenever it happens to people and help them. Like, because it doesn't really get taught. Like, inmate games is something that typically does not get taught because it's just kind of like a, it's a sore subject, I guess. But I feel like it's something that should be. With the RAM declaration of deals, we're pledging our allegiance to the American people with great deals on the RAM-1500. Back with the legendary Hemi V8 and the RAM Heavy Duty.
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Starting point is 00:31:44 do what kind of um lessons do you think that would be good to teach those officers to prevent that from happening um there's an article that i read whenever i came back and it's um called don't be a duck i don't know if you've ever heard of it and the article is basically talking about grooming a duck and it's in reference to an inmate grooming the CO and it simply starts with a piece of bubble gum like that tiny little favor and people don't see it for what it is Like looking back on it, even like those tiny little inmate games that they were playing on me, I can look back and see what, like, what it was. And it does. It starts with a tiny piece of bubble gum or that tiny little favor or they'll test you and they'll see like what, like, are they going to wrap me up for this?
Starting point is 00:32:33 I had a guy one time. I had this guy like buck up to me. And I'm like trying to put him in a cell. The whole cell, the whole pod was locked down. and this guy bust out of his room. It was locked. And he, like, pushed the guy back in his cell. And he was like, hey, like, you're not going to talk to her like that.
Starting point is 00:32:51 Like, get back in the cell. And I'm like, uh, thanks. And then we put the guy back in. And I'm like, okay, go back to your cell. And then he went back and locked down. And looking back on it, because it was that same inmate that I brought the Bible to, he was testing me. He was testing me to see what I was going to do.
Starting point is 00:33:10 And the whole thing was just a skis. it like because even though like they were black and why and they were in two different gangs which why they were in the same pod I don't know but um it wasn't it wasn't necessarily like gang on gang it was the greater good of the pod is what they were working on and that's what they do it's all a game and they were trying to see how I would react to it and then it went on from there just tiny little thing after a thing because they hold that over your head like well do you not remember that time you gave me that piece of bubble gum that I asked for Like, and it'll just be the tiniest things and it'll just build.
Starting point is 00:33:44 That's how people get in. Like, tiny favor after tiny favor after tiny favor. And then the next thing you know, those people are bringing in drugs or weapons or phones. And that's how it starts. The most tiny little thing. What was like one of the most disgusting things you faced while you were working at that facility? Okay. Oh, there was this woman that I picked up from booking one time.
Starting point is 00:34:11 And they didn't have her cuffed. I was taking her to court. and she was holding a towel, like right here on her stomach. And I'm like, hey, why isn't she coughed her? Like, oh, don't worry about it. She has a medical issue. And I'm like, okay. And I'm like, oh, God, what does that smell?
Starting point is 00:34:24 And what it was is she was refusing to wear her colostomy bag. And she was holding a towel. And so I'm like, what? I was like, is that that smell? And I was trying to be so respectful to the woman. And I like start going down the hall. And I'm like, bleh. And I threw up.
Starting point is 00:34:45 And then a trustee, he like came and laid down some towels. And then he brought me a garbage can because he smelt it too. And I'm going down the halls. And I'm just like, bleh. Like it was the most disgusting smell I have ever smelled in my life. Because it's straight like our toxins from our stomach and just bile. And it was the most disgusting smell. I've ever smelled in my life.
Starting point is 00:35:08 Wow. It was terrible. And my sergeant even like popped his head out of the door. And he was like, hey, what's going? And then he. he threw up. Like this smell was horrific. It was absolutely terrible.
Starting point is 00:35:18 So what would happen when you have inmates to have those bags? Do you have to come into their cell and remove them for them? Medical would do all that. And they have to supply them with it. That's gross. Yeah. Like she was housed by herself and everything. Okay.
Starting point is 00:35:32 And like had like medical care like around the clock. Wow. It was disgusting because they were trying to make sure like she didn't get an infection because I mean that would like hold the department liable. And then we had a, I had a regular, his name was Mr. Goans. He loved Delta Dawn. That was his favorite song. And he was actually put in PC.
Starting point is 00:35:56 He was actually raped before in jail. My husband was one of the people that like came in there and like rescued him. He always says, oh, your husband was my rescue or he's my hero. But he calls into control. He pops the sprinkler head. The alarms going off. and we come in there and he somehow, if I was over the spot, this never would have happened. He was wearing like these yellow rain boots that trustees wear like whenever they help squeegee.
Starting point is 00:36:26 He's wearing them. It's rolled up. Dude has no teeth and he has like a towel wrapped around his head. And he has his slides on backwards and it looks like arm floaties. And he's in there and he's like, Deltad on and singing and everything. And he crapped. And he was smearing it all over the wall. And I mean, that's not the first time, like, dealing with, like, crap and stuff, obviously on the wall.
Starting point is 00:36:48 But it was just like, we opened the door. He's been compliant and everything. And it's just like, what the heck is going on in here? And he was just singing, wiping his crap all over the walls and, oh, it's put in. And why do you think guys do that? That and the jerking off in front of a woman, correctional officers. Okay, this is one thing that infuriates me more than anything. and I made sure I told my trainees this and I'm glad that you brought this up.
Starting point is 00:37:17 Do you know how many penises I seen working in a jail? A lot. Zero. Do you know why? What, zero? Do you know why? You can't see what you don't look at. You can't.
Starting point is 00:37:29 So you just turn your head? Yeah, you don't look at it. And I would have officers, oh, so and so like they were jerking off and through their beanflap and I seen their penis. Did you look at it? I hated that more than anything because people say that, left and right. It's true. You know what they call them? Like gunners and what else do they call them? Gunslingers. Gunners. Have you heard other terms? I've heard the gunslinger one. The gunslingers.
Starting point is 00:37:54 But like I mean it happened all the time. Like you can obviously tell like it head level like just like by the peripherals like what somebody's doing but I can't see what I don't look at. I just don't get that why these guys do that. I think that's fucking nuts. It's disgusting. Like you're just like it's just and they're not even they're like normal people like in a way you know they're normal individuals it's not like they're psychotic or on drugs and they just casually do this like oh hey look what i got yeah it's fucking sick that like that was something that i dealt with like whenever i first worked and i learned the hard way if i was to ride up every single person that showed their like tried to show their penis to me i would be nothing i would do nothing but doing write-ups all day it's true and so like
Starting point is 00:38:42 And I told new officers that. Like I said, they would complain to me. And I'm like, uh-uh, no little girl. You can't see what you don't look at, okay? Do your job and go on. Like, and once they see that, like, you're, like, you pay no attention. Like, because they know, whenever you write them up,
Starting point is 00:38:59 they know you looked at it. They know you looked at it when you wrote them up. But you can't see what you don't look at. Wow. And I would just, seriously, I would. I would keep, especially if I would do check, and stuff, I would keep my head at like, I level. Did working in that role help you later on when you got into policing and doing your
Starting point is 00:39:21 current role? Because it's not all the time where a cop gets to work in a correctional facility first. Normally, like, they go to that if they're not planning on going to policing or vice versa. Absolutely. It helped me so much. Like, if I didn't work in the jail, I wouldn't know how to communicate with people, handle situations, de-escalate situations. and also like I built so much rapport and respect in the jail that even my first week on the road, people that I was working with were mad at me because I would roll up on a scene and they're like, I'm not talking to you. I'm talking to Ms. Reagan. And they would talk to me. They don't want to talk to them. And it was just simply from the rapport that I built working with them in the jail and they
Starting point is 00:40:04 know that I'm by the book, not just by the book, but I'm a kind person. How long are you there for before you moved on in your career? I worked. in the jail for five years. Five years. Wow. And so you started at what, 18 about? About 19. 19 and went to you're about 24. Why do you decide to leave? So I never, I never like moved up in the jail. I didn't want to be stuck because I eventually wanted to be on patrol and become a detective. And so I just, I kept working and working and proving myself until the opportunity came for me to apply for patrol. And how hard was it to transition from corrections to patrol? It was hard because, like, I was a senior officer.
Starting point is 00:40:45 And I knew, I knew that jail like the back of my hand. Like, the games, all of it. Like, I was, I was good at my job. And then I start patrol and I'm just like this little baby officer that knows nothing. And I have to, like, relearn all kinds of stuff because of tactics and, and learning more laws and everything. It was, it was completely different. Like, I went from been pretty high up in the jail to just, like, at the bottom of the total pole whenever I started.
Starting point is 00:41:12 patrol. But you're also given more power technically when you're on patrol. Now you're carrying a gun all the time. You can arrest people. You go from being like the person that's holding these people kind of captive in a way to now haunting the people to put there. Yeah. That must be an interesting, you know.
Starting point is 00:41:29 It was really different. Like just having that authority like because you're, I kind of felt more safe in the jail. I guess some people say like you're not as safe in the jail. But I like that was my happy place. Like that was where I was good. I knew everything and then been out there on the road. Having that arrest power and you got to learn a lot. When you're handed that kind of power, how do you make sure you don't abuse it?
Starting point is 00:41:55 Especially in the like the law enforcement world where we do see a lot of cops abusing that power. Oh yeah. Absolutely. They abuse it. But like I said before, it's they're people. Like I was just talking to my friend about that. that, you know, just because I pull over somebody, let's say I pull over a single mom
Starting point is 00:42:15 and she has her kids in the car, and she has, okay, she has her driver's license, but she doesn't have her insurance. Just because I'm a cop doesn't mean that I have to be an a-hole and write her a ticket and put her even more in the hole to where she can't even afford insurance. Like, it's my discretion.
Starting point is 00:42:33 And I feel like people kind of have that misconception of cops. It is their discretion. And I wouldn't have wrote that woman a ticket. I would tell her, you know, make sure you get this taken care of and explain to her why she needs to have insurance. But I feel like people do abuse that power. Yeah. How often do you see cops in your own experience actually, you know, thinking about the person that they've pulled over or and not just trying to fulfill a quota or anything like that and are actually genuinely care about the individual? My FTO, like he was really good at that and having compassion for people.
Starting point is 00:43:10 but there's there's a big amount of people that just they they don't see them as a person they it's just whatever like they don't care like I'm here to enforce the law no there's a difference in like the art of law and then like the like the character why do you think the color of the law why did I just like art the color of the law technically the same thing art color yeah why do you think that is it's just morals like and I feel like some people though like they get up on there and like, oh, I'm a cop, I got a gun and a badge. There's so much more to it. There's so much more to it.
Starting point is 00:43:46 And people that come cops for the right reasons. And I hate that cops have, like, such a bad reputation right now because there is still good cops out there. Do you think that there needs to be some type of, like, character test implemented into maybe the training? Is that maybe what's missing from the whole puzzle? Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:00 I feel like they should do that and see what kind of person they are. They really should. Like, are they selfish or, like, some people become cops just. to look like a cop. They really do. And they carry the biggest chips on their shoulders. And it's, I hate it. I really do, because it gives cops a bad thing.
Starting point is 00:44:20 I mean, you were telling me earlier about how the FBI has like a stronger process to get into it. Maybe they need to implement something like that on the, like, is it too easy to become a cop? I mean, look at that one cop that shot that poor woman. He got fired at another department. How does another department hire him? That was crazy. Yeah, there should be a better process. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:40 Because there's, in my opinion, there's not. I really don't think there's, I feel like COVID kind of has something to do with that because like a lot of people just quit and then also pay. Like there's departments that are desperate. Like they are so desperate for people to the point that like they can't do as a thorough background check and stuff. I mean, even in corrections, they're hiring like every, the BOP is severely understaffed. And I see billboards now or ads on Facebook and stuff.
Starting point is 00:45:08 They're offering literally, they'll give you whatever you want. Yeah, law enforcement can't keep people. Yeah. They can't. And why do you think that is? Is it because of the climate right now, or has it always been like that? The climate and then plus, I mean, like I said during COVID, they just, they weren't able to hire the right kind of people. Like, used to, like, law enforcement was so competitive, so competitive.
Starting point is 00:45:31 Like, people were getting turned away, like, good people that were getting turned away and stuff at the people that I know at the beginning of their career. Like, it took so long for them to get hired. like to be straight on the road so long and now it's just like they just hand it left and right and I feel like the the process isn't as thorough as it should be no so once you started on patrol you're still in the same small town you grew up in did you ever have to pull over or arrest someone that you knew personally yes was that hard to do it was hard there was um but they knew that my intentions like they knew that I wasn't just on a power trip I'm like hey you know they're like, oh, no, I messed up.
Starting point is 00:46:10 Like, and they were actually, like, they were just more compliant with me. Like, they, they were able to, like, own up to what they did a lot easier, especially, like, if I was on the scene. People would just talk to me. Like, even people that I didn't know. Like, I would just be approachable enough that they would just tell me the truth. Why do you want to stay in that small town when you first started out? Because I took it personal.
Starting point is 00:46:31 Like, where a lot of cops don't like to work where they live. But me, like, you know, if somebody's speeding in the, town or there's, for instance, the, like the fentanyl outbreak. I took it personal. It made me mad. It made me really mad because like that, like those are the citizens. Like I, I love where I come from. And I took it very personal. And I feel like if you don't live there, it's just kind of like, well, that's how you create change too. Like, yeah. And you become that notable person, uh, making change and and breaking down barriers and whatnot. And community policing is as big too. And just being, knowing that like a police officer lives on your block or anything like that,
Starting point is 00:47:11 people feel more like protected. Yeah, absolutely. So a beginning day on patrol, what was that? Like what kind of shifts were you working? What were you doing? Well, where I previously worked, and that's where most of my story is. I, like you start off at 645 roll call and then you would typically all go eat like a really fast breakfast.
Starting point is 00:47:32 And I would always have just like eggs and black coffee. I always drink black coffee whenever I'm working. And then we're typically like bump and call to call. And it was just different. Like during the fentanyl outbreak, like that was really hard. There was a lot of people that I knew. How many calls are coming in on an average day during a shift? Would you say that you're responding to?
Starting point is 00:47:55 Like about 50. 50? Yeah. Wow. And those would range from what? They would range from like scams, like having to do a scam report, a theft report. wrecks to domestics, arm subjects, overdoses, like just nonstop. It was always something different.
Starting point is 00:48:15 And are you always assigned with a partner? Are you riding solo? Like we have zone partners. We don't ride with them in the same vehicle, though. Okay. So that would mean like they're working in the same area, but you guys don't ride together. Right. Why didn't you guys ride together?
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Starting point is 00:50:35 I remember, so one of them that, it was actually the first one that I went to, and I was working a wreck. Luckily, THP was there, and I, like, look at the call, and I was telling the guy that I, like, he wasn't in my zone. He was just helping me work this wreck. Like, hey, like, there's a drowning. Like, we got to go. We got to go.
Starting point is 00:50:52 And I tell this trooper and we leave. And the dispatch is saying that she's trying to, they're trying to get them to get the baby out of the pool. They were trying to get the baby out of the pool with a pool tool. They wouldn't jump in the water to get the baby. baby. And I'm hearing all this and we're just riding hot. And as I'm hearing on this, I'm like, what the heck? Like, are you freaking kidding me? They won't get in the water to get this baby. And I'm taking off my belt keepers. I'm ready to jump in the water. And then I, like, I'm
Starting point is 00:51:24 halfway in the water. Like the neighbors and stuff are already there. And then the guy that I was with on my team. And we started doing CPR on the baby. And the baby didn't make it. No. So could those people have saved their baby? For the amount of time that the baby was in there, like, floating in the water, no. And And what it was is it wasn't even like the family's house. What it was was the dad fell asleep. And the baby walked down the driveway and got in a neighbor's pool. So in a circumstance like that, it's a father getting charged?
Starting point is 00:51:54 Absolutely. So it's no different than like a hot car situation. Yeah, absolutely. Like that scene was already taped up and everything. The dad was down there. We were talking to the dad and the dad got arrested that day. So do you guys know going into it that someone's kind of at fault when there's like a hot car or a pool drowning? like someone's definitely at fault for letting that happen.
Starting point is 00:52:16 Yeah, yeah. And every, like the two drownings that I was on like that, there was instantly. Like, we knew who was at fault. Now, the car ones, right? How do people, from your experience, what is the psychology behind these people? How did they just forget about their kid in the car?
Starting point is 00:52:34 I don't get that. Well, I actually, I asked the girl one day. And it made me feel better knowing that she felt guilt for what she did, like she owned up to what she. she did like she wasn't oblivious to it and she went in to buy and her son was in the car she left the car it was off and then she went in there and she nodded off like she went ahead and shot up and then she just like nodded off on the couch the way she explained it to me and he she left her son in the car to die so she was on drugs but what about the people that aren't on drugs like you'll see on
Starting point is 00:53:07 the news that guy was bringing his going to work or something and just forgets about the kid well it's negligent. And so they still will get charged for it. But why do you think this happens? Just forgetfulness, honestly, like that, I mean, I know that's a very watered down answer, but like people are just so, like, we're all consumed to their lives. Like, it could easily happen to anybody. Anything can happen to anybody. Um, but circumstances, I've never seen incidences where like they just forgot, like, I've seen those in movies and stuff, but people are just go, go, go. It's crazy to think about it.
Starting point is 00:53:46 But I mean, we don't forget our phone on the car. Yeah. I guess it's kind of in comparison to like leaving the stove on when you're cooking something. Yeah. If people can forget about that, then they can do the same thing. Oh, yeah. Now, what were some of the strangest, like, weird calls you've responded to? Oh, I have so many, like, most of them are just, like, nasty, though.
Starting point is 00:54:10 Like, and I guess it's just my humor and I think it's funny. I don't know. The strangest call, it was the first decomposed body I've ever experienced. And like we pulled up and I remember, like I was no longer with my FTO, but he told me he was like, yep, you know what that is? Don't you know? I was like, no. And at one point, they were actually going to throw me through the window because we couldn't get in this house. Like we knew the smell, like she was dead.
Starting point is 00:54:39 Luckily, I didn't have to go through the window. We get in and we're like pushing this door. door open and everything. And it's just her juices. Her juices are all right there. And I remember like getting all my boots. And I'm like, oh. Like blood? No. Like it was in July and she'd been sitting there for about a month or two. So what happens to a body like that just totally gone? It looks like steak and rice like habatchi. Like and then it is just like a like puddle of just like the toxins from her body and it just completely was decomposed. Like you could still slightly see your skull and everything.
Starting point is 00:55:16 And then there was maggots all in it. It was watery. And then it just like you had like chunks of like the decomposed that kind of looks like. So a house like that, is that ever livable again after that when there's a body in there for that long? Oh, I'm sure the landlord bleached it out real nice and there's somebody already living in it. But that particular call, like they were almost on the verge of Colin Hazmat.
Starting point is 00:55:38 When the medical examiner got there, Like we had to shovel them. Wow. Like there was no picking up pieces and putting it in the white bag. Like we physically had to shovel the remains of that woman. How has the body left there for so long? Like how does no one call for a welfare check or anything? Well, so this particular apartment, I actually have been out there numerous times.
Starting point is 00:56:02 And the apartment typically smells like rotten trash anyways. Like it already stinks. So it was very easy for it. it to be prolonged because people were just bad, like used to the bad smell. And what it was was the neighbor, she was like, no, this is worse. Like it's worse than it typically is. And even whenever I got out there, I was like, yeah, this is different. This is different than what it's typically like, ugh.
Starting point is 00:56:26 Yeah. But it ended up been a welfare check because the woman said she hasn't seen her and the smell out there's stronger. Are there a lot of calls where they are welfare checks and they turn out to be like that? I've experienced a few of them. Yeah. It's typically like elderly. Okay.
Starting point is 00:56:43 And some of these scenes that you respond to, how are like the suspects treating you as, you know, a young woman in the force? You have to just present like, like I said before, like it's all in how you present yourself. Like in the jail, people thought I was like this top notch, like, jiu-jitsu fighter, okay? I've maybe done like a class or two. But it's all like in how you present yourself. like I could be standing next to like a six foot man that's chunky, his uniform's not well put together, me standing next to him, like my uniform been perfectly tailored and how I'm talking to them, how I'm presenting myself to them makes all the difference.
Starting point is 00:57:24 Yeah. How do you feel about the, you know, the people that aren't well kept in law enforcement? Because I've talked to a lot of law enforcement officers and they all have something to say about that. It's so annoying. Yeah. Like I don't want to look at some. And I'm sure there is people that look at me because they haven't worked with me before.
Starting point is 00:57:40 And they're like, ugh, I don't want her to be my backup. Like, she's tiny. Okay, well, I don't want you to be my backup because you're fat and you can't run. But, like, I know people probably think the same way about me because, like, especially the ones that ever worked with me. But how can you take them seriously? You can't. Like, getting out of the, I hate that. Like, that's the worst image.
Starting point is 00:58:03 Like, I have somebody, like, just getting out of the car. smoking a cigarette and like they're all chunky and fat and like tucking in their shirt as they're getting out of the patrol car like no like you're done for it they're not going to take you seriously did you see the video of that cop I think it was over this summer where he was completely overweight and he had to shoot a suspect because he got like disarmed or something and but everyone like all the cops yeah I my personal opinion is that that only happened and that person got killed was because he was out of shape yeah like you have to train You have to train and stay in shape.
Starting point is 00:58:37 Do you feel like a lot of these officers come in in shape and then they let themselves go? Is that what the problem is? Yeah. Yeah. People do get complacent and comfortable. But you have to train nonstop. So what's like a typical training routine for you to stay active? I used to do CrossFit a lot.
Starting point is 00:58:55 I don't anymore. Me personally, I feel like having good core strength and your legs, but running. Been able to run is like the best. thing because not just that, but like I would go on tracks with a canine and stuff. And, and you, you want to be fit enough to like, you're not dying, like running around with the K9 or especially if you have to chase the subject. Like, you're running strength. And me, I feel like running, it just, it's overall. Like, it trains you in endurance. And I feel like that's really important. That's something we did in prison. Like, I love a good run. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:29 Running's great. You know, you really build up the stamina and pushups, uh, pull ups. I've been doing like 100 pushups a day the last couple weeks, like when I start my morning and you just, like you feel a lot better. You get going, you know? Did you eat a lot of mackerel and work out a lot? I did. I'm sick of mackerel, though. But yeah, I ate a lot of mackerel. I was almost like 300 pounds going in. And I lost all that weight. And I was just from eating right. And mackerel's huge in there for the protein and doing a lot of running. And I can never do a pull up in prison. And then I got like, by the time I left, I was doing like 10 or 12. So it could really transform you. that way. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But you have to stay consistent. It's all about consistency. So was this
Starting point is 01:00:09 patrol unit you were on, the fire unit as well? No. So that would come after. So how long were you with this first patrol? A total of three years, like five in the jail, and then I was on patrol for three years. And why did you decide to leave that department? Just a change. I was honestly, I was going through a divorce at the time. And I just, I felt like God was guiding me in a different way. How do you know when it's time to leave, like say a department? Well, I, I really struggled because, yeah, I'm just going to go ahead and say that. I had a partner. He loved to live in the gray area. I wouldn't exactly say that he was corrupt, but he loved to live in the gray area. And I, me personally, I love Intel. And I would like give him information. And he would be like,
Starting point is 01:01:04 that's wrong. Okay, I guess I'll go back to the drawing board. And then an hour later, him and rest of the team are on a felony warrant attempt with the information I gave him. And it was just constantly like that. And it was just very, very competitive. And no matter what I did, I was wrong. And then situations like that and it would roll around. I'm like, I gave you that information. You didn't. I don't know what you're talking about. And so I figured I was like, you know, it's time to leave. Like I'm stagnant. It's time to leave. Why do you think he was like? that. It's like that for most women in law enforcement, honestly. So it's like a, it's a sex thing, a woman thing. Yeah, just most men like they just have this complex and they, they can't stand
Starting point is 01:01:45 for a woman to be better at them. I mean, it's okay. Like we're, it's, I just, I don't understand it. Like, I had an amazing lieutenant that I worked for. She was a female and she really struggled. She really struggled because just men just have this complex. Like, I'm not trying to compete with you. I'm trying to like, that's something really big in law enforcement that really ticks me off. We're not competing. Like, it's all for the greater good. You know, my knowledge, it's good knowledge. Okay. Your knowledge, it's great knowledge. Like, let's put this together and figure it out together. It's not, okay, I'm going to steal all the intel you have and go take all their credit. What matters is those people got arrested. Okay, cool. Like, I can live with that. I'm okay
Starting point is 01:02:32 with that. But people just try to compete and it's just so annoying. What's something that being in law enforcement has taught you overall? Compassion. And then at the same time, the world's a bad place. And what's something the biggest misconception that the public has about law enforcement? That we're not people. That we're all robots. We don't have family. But I think the biggest misconception is like that they're robots and they're not people. Why do you think people have that misconception? I feel like most people, like they genuinely do have bad experiences with cops and it makes them think that way or that they just, they know that they've done something wrong and so
Starting point is 01:03:19 they try to avoid cops and hate cops because of that. Have you ever had a bad interaction with someone that you feel bad about and wish you can like get a hold of them or talk to so kind of maybe explain the situation? I've had multiple times, like, on patrol, like I would have heart to hearts with, especially women, to try to help them get out of a situation and stuff. Like, I would feel sorry for women, definitely. And do you think there needs to be more dialogue between law enforcement and the public? Just like these types of conversations, do you think that goes a long way in, you know, the public changing their perception on law enforcement? Yeah, because, like, you have to humanize the badge.
Starting point is 01:04:00 Yeah. So where do you see yourself like five, 10 years from now in law enforcement? Where do you think your career will go? I want to do this forever. You're so young. I thought I did. I want out. I want my voice. I want my freedom of speech. So what do you think you'll do? I'm a huge advocate for like protecting children. I'm very, very strong in my faith. I like eventually I would like to go and share. my real raw testimony of everything that I've been through and the stuff that I've overcome and the amazing things that God has done in my life. Awesome. Well, you better sit down with us for that interview once you leave law enforcement and you can talk more in depth about it.
Starting point is 01:04:44 Yes, yes, yes. Because I'm kind of like filtered like with some things that I want to say. Of course. Well, it comes with the territory, you know? You know, when I interview wardens and current people in law enforcement, it's totally understandable. You can only say so much. but when you're out of law enforcement,
Starting point is 01:05:01 you've got to hit your boy up. Yeah. Yes, yes, absolutely. Well, Krista, thank you so much for sitting down with me today. It was great talking with you and meeting with you and we'll wish you the best in your career. Thank you.
Starting point is 01:05:12 Thank you so much.

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