Locked In with Ian Bick - Ex Bandido Exposes the BRUTAL Truth About 1% Outlaw Motorcycle Clubs | Brandon Hantz

Episode Date: December 2, 2024

Brandon Hantz, a former Bandido who is now "out bad," joins us to share his story of life inside one of the most well-known 1% outlaw motorcycle clubs. With very few interviews featuring former members of the Bandidos, Brandon offers a rare glimpse into the rules, structure, and challenges that come with the patch. From the strict brotherhood to the realities of leaving the club, he discusses the reasons behind his exit, the challenges of being "out bad," and the impact it has had on his life. This episode provides a unique look into the world of outlaw motorcycle clubs and what it means to live by the 1% lifestyle. #OutlawMotorcycleClubs #BandidosMC #1PercenterClubs #MotorcycleClubStories #LifeOfAnOutlaw #TrueCrimeRevealed #BikerLifeUncovered #MCBrotherhood Thank you to AURA FRAMES for sponsoring today’s episode: Exclusive $35-off Carver Mat at https://auraframes.com/. Use code LOCKEDIN at checkout to save! Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Presented by Tyson 2.0 & Wooooo Energy: https://tyson20.com/ https://woooooenergy.com/ Buy Merch: https://www.ianbick.com/shop Use code lockedin at checkout to get 20% off your order Timestamps: 00:00:00 Hoodoo Brown BBQ 00:04:31 Growing Up in Texas: A Culinary Journey 00:08:35 Struggles with Identity and Family Expectations 00:13:09 The Perfect Holiday Gift: Aura Frames 00:18:10 The Search for Inner Peace Despite Success 00:23:59 Transition from Gang Life to Biker Lifestyle 00:27:27 Betrayal Within Brotherhoods 00:32:02 Reflection on Brotherhood and Betrayal 00:36:23 Reflecting on a Wartime Mindset 00:40:54 A Tense Stand-off and Unexpected Alliances 00:45:53 Balancing Family and Faith 00:50:00 The Reality of Motorcycle Clubs 00:54:21 The Hypocrisy in Preaching 00:58:51 The Reality of Quitting a Club 01:04:59 Life Lessons from Survivor Experiences 01:08:39 Life After Leaving the Club 01:12:43 Farewell and Final Wishes Powered by: Just Media House : https://www.justmediahouse.com/ Creative direction, design, assets, support by FWRD: https://www.fwrd.co Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Yeah, it was five, five in the morning. How was he, did you guys go to hoodooze? Did you get some barbecue? Yeah, twice. Two days in a row. Oh, you got it yesterday. it today? Yeah, it's Texas-based barbecue, so it's Oh, yeah, yeah. They can cook, so. Are you from Texas?

Houston. Oh, that's where you live now? Yeah. Oh, I didn't even know that. Yeah, I'm actually going to be in Dallas next month. Oh, all right, cool. Yeah, so if this didn't work out today, we could have done it there. I didn't know where you were from.

Let me know, man. Yeah, that's, well, we're here now. Yeah, right, I have no needs. Excuse me. I will hit you up for barbecue recommendations. Killens. That's a, and Houston? In Houston.

Okay. It's only four hours. And if you really want. Barbecue, Killing's barbecue, bro. Yeah. It's going to be an argument, but Dallas, they should just not talk about barbecue. Yeah, it's so cool that the studio is right behind, like, a famous barbecue place. They follow us on Instagram.

The food there's excellent. Oh, it's awesome. And did you try the desserts at all? No, they didn't. They have, like, homemade house, like, daily-made desserts. They're really, really good. That barbecue sandwich was... What did you guys get today?

I think it was a special. She came to the table and was like, hey, we have a special. here unless she sold us. So brisket sandwich, man. It was, it was delicious. Yeah. We always send our guests there between there and the deli below, but it's closed on Sundays. Yeah. They're great, you know, places. And if you want pizza, it's right down the road too. And I'm glad you and Matt hit it off. I guess you guys are going together after. Yeah. Yeah, it's a cool cat, man. Everybody's made me real comfortable. I have to address something, though. Pizza? Like, bro, pizza? They, they send me to Connecticut. They send me to, so I don't know where I'm at. I'm in New Haven. Oh, the pizza is the best

in the world there. What do you order? No, a margarita pizza. I got there. Look, I got there. What's a complaint? I'm used to, right? So I'm used to, hey, what's up? You know, yes, sir, no, sir. You know, sometimes it's getting a little rough now. I mean, uh, so service isn't the best. best always. But I get to the counter and he goes, what do you want? I'm like, I would like a slice of pizza. And I was proper. I said slice, right? I didn't say piece of pizza, right? I said, I want a slice of pizza, man. And he goes, he's just sitting there looking at me. I said, it's my first time here. Heard this pizza is the best. You know, you have any suggestions. Well, pick whatever you want. You know, like, I'm like, whoa, whoa, chill out. You know, in my mind.

I'm being polite, though. And a guy behind was like, hey, where are you from? And we're literally having this altercation right here. It seems like an altercation, but I guess it's a normal conversation for Connecticut. And he said, where you from, man? I said, I'm from Houston. You know, I was having my Texans hoodie on. And he said, what are you doing here?

And I'm like, what the hell is going on, bro? Like, I felt attacked, but I guess it's communication differences and stuff like that. So ended up getting the margarita pizza. basically it's a tomato on a cracker. So, I mean, why'd the margarita? Little Caesars, bro. Yeah, why do you pick the margarita?

I don't know, man. He said pick the margarita. We got to get you some better pizza, man. Maybe. Are you staying in New Haven or you just stopped there on the way? I'm with your boy, man. So he makes the rules right now. He's a bat showing you the way.

He did get on the barbecue, bro. It was pretty good. Well, I'm glad I took care of you. Yes, sir. Did you grow up in Texas? Yes, Houston. You know, it's funny that you were saying about, like, the hospitality aspect. I've gone to Texas a few times, even Nashville.

Everyone's so much more friendly than in Connecticut. Like people, like in our apartment building, people don't even say hello. Yeah, no, it's different. It's real different. The Uber drivers were, they weren't, well, they weren't from Connecticut, but, you know, they were cool, you know. But you could tell it's not as everyone's real standoffish. They have this, it's a wall up. I don't want to be hurt in some way, shape, or form.

You could tell it's just some type of insecurity that they don't want you seeing at all. But if you're a people watcher, you definitely would enjoy the northern states up here. So it's definitely interesting. What was growing up in Texas like? Well, good food. A lot of good food. I was a little fat kid growing up. Oh, dude, I was overweight.

There's too much good food, bro. Mexican food, Cajun food. It didn't help my mom cook. good, my dad cooked good, you know, crawfish boils, this, that, and the other. But a lot of plant work, you don't, you know, I think a lot of kids that grew up in Texas, they had, if their father was present, they were hustling in the plants, they were doing something offshore, some type of work, you know, as a tankerman or in the barges, but some type of chemical plant or oil or something like that. But it takes 15 hours, 12-hour days away from your parents.

So that's kind of what it's like, man It's a grind, it's a hustle It's never stopping You can kind of liken it to maybe New York Is constantly trying to get there Trying to make that money It's the same thing It's just, you know, oil-filled stuff

So it's a lot of hustling, a lot of grinding Did you have siblings growing up too? Yeah, I have a brother and a sister Were you guys close? You know, honestly I really wasn't close to my siblings No No, no. If, you know, I look back and it would have been awesome to be close with them, but we're not close at all.

And what about your parents? Were you guys a close family in general growing up? Like they stayed together the whole time? It's a lot of love in the family, yeah. My mom and dad, they had their issues. I'm not going to blast all their business, but they had their issues like any other family. But as far as the, you know, love in the house, man, it was just, you didn't have to say. anything. It was there. We love strangers, bro. Anyone and everyone. I remember my mom and dad picking up people from, I mean, bro, random people. You would not believe some of the characters that came through the home if they needed a place to stay. They were that couple. We grew up in a religious atmosphere, you know, to where they felt burdened to help people. And they did that. And they would invite people in, even people from church having hard times. They were

attracted to people that have problems, bro. And that definitely, I'll watch them be selfless and sacrifice. I watch them take money, take resources from our family to help others. And it may have hurt at the time in certain ways, but their sacrifice, man. Watching them do that, it definitely helped develop some characteristics of me that I appreciate now. Do you think it helped in still like some good values that you've carried throughout your life? No doubt. No doubt. I will say that it's a double-edged sword. You know, you know when you help someone,

it opens up that opportunity for them to, you know, cause some type of trauma in your life, give you some type of reason to go, man, was that the right thing to do? I shouldn't have, maybe I shouldn't have helped that person or maybe you shouldn't intervene in that situation. And I think, yeah, that's definitely, it had its it was good

the intentions were pure but sometimes the wrong people ended up in the house the wrong people ended up around my family and it definitely made some waves yeah

when you were a kid did you have dreams goals aspirations did you know what you wanted to do in life I was consistently inconsistent with my goals I wanted to be a Pokemon at one point so like he has a kid

Charzard bro I remember going And the Digimon, I was like, man, Lord, when I wake up, I was because a Christian kid, if you ask for it, you're going to get it. Okay, cool, Lord, when I wake up, I want to be this, this Pokemon. Like, you know, I had that type of imagination as a child. And I loved everybody, man. I wanted to be loved, and I loved everyone.

I had, I didn't see color. I didn't see anything. I definitely was searching for something. for, you know, since a child. Was, that's interesting what, those values that you had, did that make it tough for you later on in life when you start, you know, getting involved in, say, like a motorcycle club where they have different values

and what you were raised with? It was a gradual thing, like I told so. It's like, it's a small leak. And you can relate, I'm sure. It's these simple things that I didn't, kill at the time, whether it was a bad habit or something like that, that ended up gradually becoming what I formerly was, recently was. And a lot of regret in between.

But yeah, I think that it played on my mind. And my parents were vocal about it. They never agreed with my choice. Choice is. I've made a lot, like I screwed this whole life up, bro. Like, I've screwed my entire life up. And my parents have always been vocal. And hey, what are you doing?

You know, what's the problem? But I think sometimes it, sometimes that was so harsh and so it gave you that hopeless despair feeling like, what else do I have? You know, at one point, you know, when my family wasn't agreeing with the situation, and we've been through a lot of ups and downs, we don't have the time to speak on these things. Some drastic things in my life has happened. and you know I think that at one point I was I was really thinking like I said don't ever speak on my brothers like that again they're not your brothers they're not your brothers and they were trying to wake me up because they could see on the outside looking in going Brandon they're not your brothers don't you see they're using you're a you're literally a human Kevlar you're you're that's all you are you're just you're just a you're just a another guy. You're just somebody that's going to do what they say. You're a follower. You're a follower. And I would be so offended by that. Man, don't ever speak on my, they're my real brothers.

They would give their life for me. And what's crazy is they, certain individuals in that club still today, I owe my life to in a way because they have put their actual physical body on the line for me. They have shown those things? And I said, have you ever jumped in front of a bullet for me? Have you ever stayed with me when shots are being fired at me? Have you done that? No. So that's love. That's love.

And that's what I wanted from them. I wanted some big, drastic thing that happened. They could swoop in and catch me some type of story that happened that I could lean on for me to be able to say, okay, now I know you love me. And it's much, much deeper than that. And still, to this day, man, I haven't found true love. outside of my relationship with Jesus. I haven't found that.

In my darkest and deepest moments, I've always found that it's just been me. That no one physical person can give me the peace that he's given me. And I've been searching and searching for all these things and all this love here and love here, my brothers. And oh, but they did this, but they did this. And it was just like, when is it going to be

this unconditional thing to where, This, this, uh, the love that I'm searching for is perfect, you know. And I'm looking for it in men. I'm looking forward in things and goals. I've accomplished a lot in my life, you know. I've, uh, it's been like this, bro. It's been like this. So forgive me for getting on a tangent.

But there's so much in there. And you're just, you just can't express it like you want to sometimes. Hey, guys, it's Ian. And I hope you all had a great Thanksgiving. the holidays are all about traditions, and for me, they've taken on a new meaning. Ever since coming home from prison, I've valued those moments more than ever, like putting up the Christmas tree, decorating, and just spending time with the people who matter most. These are memories I want to hold on to forever, and this year I'm making sure they last by sharing

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for that in other people, in groups, in whatever we choose to go down. And sometimes that leads us down a bad path. Well, I think as a human, I could speak for myself. What I'd actually tended to do was I put emphasis on something and it became my identity. My wife, I've been married three times. I have eight kids, you know, divorced twice, five years married to a beautiful woman that is an amazing, amazing. I'm undeserving of her. And yeah, so I basically made everything my identity. I was 100% one way or not. There was no in between. It was, are you a Christian? Absolutely. I'm preaching under the, I'm preaching under the bridges in Houston, downtown Houston, preaching the gospel. I'm in the bad places. I'm in the wards. I'm going this. I'm

going that. And then the other side of the spectrum, I'm a 1% motorcycle biker guy. You know what I mean? It's like, I'd never had a middle ground. So everything became my. identity. So when whatever hat was going on, breakup, you know, money, whatever the thing was that I was idolizing at the time fell, it left me empty. I was hopeless because that's what my identity was in. That's what I seen myself as. So for me, it was like, you know, it was me always trying to find something other than Christ, other than what never changes to hope in. And it was, you know, it's futile. It never fulfills. And you're in, you know, in the, in the valleys you understand and you have this epiphany. I've had it a hundred times, bro. I've had it a hundred

times. I can't tell you how many times I've came to this conclusion and then backstepped. It's embarrassing when you got to cancel your social media because it's all about the Lord. and then the next social media you pick up, you got, you know, girls and money and this and that, and then you cancel that. At some point, it has to be a complete surrender for me. And if I could make that suggestion to people, it would be do that, do that.

And I pray to God that he keeps me consistent this time around, man. I really do want to make, I want to less, of me, more about him. My whole life has been me driven. I constantly thought about myself, how to advance myself, what to do, how to get there. And I didn't think about the people around me, not my wife, not my children, not my parents, didn't realize that every decision that I made affected someone. And even when I did feel that guilt, I would just kind of push it to the side so that I could feel whatever lust or desire that I had for at the time. It was a on the moment, sport of the moment, and again, whatever my identity was in,

it could have been as simple as starting a business, man. I went through phases to where it was, it was nuts. And it was one of those things. Like, I was always good at everything, you know, combat sports and riding horses and bull riding and this. It's just so, I'm a pilot. I just decide to do something, and I'm like, yeah, I'm this today,

and then I'm not to, you know what I mean? So I was always looking and looking and searching and searching, and it was just empty. There was nothing, bro. I've had a lot of money in the account, and I've had none, and it's the same emptiness, the same dark place, the same depression and despair, and stuff like that.

And I find personally, when I think less of me, I'm way more peaceful of a person, way more peaceful of a person. Yeah, just because you have money or anything in life, that doesn't mean that you're necessarily happy. I was listening to a clip with Jelly Roll. He was posting about how there's days that he literally can't get out of bed because he's fighting, like, those inner demons and, like, the depression. And he's a millionaire, you know, and very successful and blowing up. up in his career. So there are people that go through that and can relate to what you're saying. Do you end up graduating high school? Do you make it through high school? I got my GED. I was expelled

from most schools that I went to even from elementary to middle school. Very physically violent kid. Had a rap for fighting, had a rap for just getting into the gang things as a young kid. I was always searching for a group of people that would love me again. Everything will go funnel back to that void. But for the sake of the conversation, yeah, I searched for since a young age to, and I think honestly to be accepted, to be loved, to be enough for people. I wanted to be, oh, you're my boy, you're my boy, you know. And it was a long, hard road from that childhood.

from the start of that, that behavior till now today. You know, it's interesting about the gangs. I've interviewed several outlaw bikers or former ones, and they all have started out in their childhood joining a gang. Why do you think that is, in your experience? Some of it can be different. Like, I can't speak for anyone else. I just, I know for me it was a, we glorify it, you know,

whether it's cigarette smoking or, drinking or, you know, you see it on your commercials, all the cooler people do this, do that, you know, even with movies that are produced, it's like even the serial killers nowadays, they're glorified. Somebody finds a way to make it to where that you can relate or feel for this person. Oh, this is why they killed 20 people, you know, and you end up finding yourself like in the Joker, you know what I mean? When that's not a good dude, man, like, come on. And I think media Obviously, growing up, we didn't have social media and stuff like that. MySpace came later on in high school and junior high.

And I was like, you know, I wanted to be that mafioso type of guy. I looked at, you know, now I know his name is Sammy LeBoole, right? But I looked at people, I looked at people like that. And I went, man, I want to be like him. They had this swagger. He had all this stuff about him. It almost seemed like he didn't have those emotions. Like they were stone cold

They ever looked at someone and go Man, like Mike Tyson I seen him on your wall out there He was an idol of mine And you just looked at him You're like man, nothing can hurt him And then later on in life you're like what? You got no

You got a feeling it's just It's a facade It's a defense mechanism All this It's just I was scared I was scared Do you feel like that's a misconception About you because of the way you look

And people might judge you from that Oh, people are all, if I meet somebody, you know, even my brothers at the time, they were like, bro, you look crazy. We're talking about 1% guys that are like legit people in the underworld, right? And they're like, you look crazy, bro. You just, we'll talk, you know, that kind of thing. And man, you look scary. Man, you're, you know, and I'm like, this doesn't feel good.

You guys are scary. Why are you telling me that, you know what I mean? So it's everywhere you go. You're like, man, and I did it, I did it to be this wild factor, to be different. I did it to have this persona of don't mess with me. And it backfired because I want people to like me. I want people to love me. And like I said, I'm not, I'm not an angel by any means.

I haven't lived in this angelic life. I look at people's lives and I'm guilty of envying them for like, man, how did you do so well, my brother, he's a police officer. He did so well. Like he waited, you know, for his wife to consummate his marriage. I was like 15 people deep. You know what I mean? For my first one, it's embarrassing.

You look back and you go, man, I wish I could have, I wish I could have done things the right way. And it's hard for me to concentrate. So forgive me if I'm not answering these questions. No, you're doing amazing. I'm not. Everything's going fast, man. No, that's good. You know, that's, it's, uh...

It's the Celsius. This show is about, you know, giving the guests the opportunity to speak. Um, and I think that differs from a lot of shows. The audience wants to hear your thoughts and feelings, and I think you're conveying that very well. Uh, how do you switch from gang life to the... Give me a break. Have me off a piece of the headshot. Have a break. Have a Kit Kat.

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I like her life. What does that look like? I don't even consider the gang life to be legit. I was never in this solid gang. You know, when you grow up and you're hanging around, your boys, and you're in like, it's a fake. It's not real. It's not like one day you're blood, one day you're cripp, one day you're this, one day you're that,

and then you grow up and you see all the bikers, you're like, wow, this guy says this, this guy's this, now he's this, now he's this, and then you're like, it all makes sense now. I must have grew up with you guys. you know but yeah no it was all very very low level

stupid rebellious you know we fought a lot of fights but nothing this nothing this drastic I didn't really get introduced every once in a while there'd be a kid in school that would die

or something like that and normally it would be from the older people they hung around straight bullet this that and the other but it was a rarity we didn't get down like that. You know, every once in a while a kid brought a knife to school to

protect himself and cut somebody. But it wasn't it wasn't, I think most people have experienced that. It didn't transition until I started really, I got into this biker lifestyle that I started to see death on a daily basis. What interested you about the biker? lifestyle and were you passionate about it as a kid at all or not really well i wrote i loved motorcycles you know i loved motorcycles and i was about me i was prideful i was you know keep in mind i've been nice to people it was like a dr jackal mr hide thing you know i was always respectful to people and

you know kind you no one that can say hey man he was a jerk no never been like that um but it was taught you know you get taught this is and and not only not not not only taught but life in the whiker community taught you to not like that color, you know, because they're shooting at you. So was easy. It was like, oh, cool, green light, you know what I mean? Like, let's get down because you don't like me to death. And I got to go home to my children.

And what's crazy in hindsight 2020, I look back and I go, they were thinking the same thing, you know, and I got a chance to speak with them after I left the club. and speak with some of my arch nemesis, like talking, you know, Batman and Joker kind of stuff and really start to love them. Who is the club you ended up joining? Bandito's motorcycle club. And what are they for the people that don't know? The biggest 1% motorcycle club on the planet,

the Hells Angels, I think, either a little bit more, a little bit less. but if you ask any bandit they're the biggest and they're the baddest but if you ask anybody else they're the biggest they're the baddest so it's a never-ending story yeah it's like one of the

notable names like you have a bunch that are out there that people just know and whenever I think bikers I think hell's angels but like I didn't hear of like Mongols really until like this year

but I have heard of the banditos before yes sir yes sir they um what was the question forgive me. Oh no, I was just adding on to that. Yeah, you already answered the question.

Yeah. No, so, yeah, they, you ask a bandit, who's the best? He's going to say a bandit, but the day he quits and joins another club, he's going to say that club's the best. Everyone has this FFB, you know, BFFB, Bandito, Bandito, Fagver, Forever, Bandito, Cossack Forever, Forever, Cossack, Mongel. And it's like, bro, just give it a few years, and you're going to be like, the bandito is going to be a Cossack, the Cossack's going to be a bandito, the this is going to be this,

and it takes the legitimacy away from the passion and why we're actually doing the things that we're doing and why we're fighting because it's like one day I love you one day I hate you and the thing about the brotherhood is when you're out uh I got put out I'll be out bad here in the next couple days when so's posts what he posts but I was out bad already you know mom people had had put a hit on me when I left that's that's not cool. Like that's my, those are my, and they tried to use the people that, uh, that were our enemies to do it. So when this all came out, I'm like, wait a second, you're telling me I was living a lie? It's like I told so, so this is, this is like finding out the love of your life,

your wife. Even if you divorce her, to find out she was cheating on you with your best friend, this entire marriage, it takes away every good moment. You don't remember the good. You don't remember anything like that. And it shows you the reality of things. You shows you the, the artificial and the, and the fake and stuff that you should have known before. And then it takes away from, I jumped in front of a bullet for you. It really does. And that's, that's drastic, right? You know, when your brother becomes your enemy and your enemy becomes your brother, this is where I'm at. And, and it wrecks you, man. I cried for, I'm a big baby. Like, I, I, I, I, I was boo-hooing over there, and I tried.

I tried, man, but everything is, I gave this everything. I gave my family. I gave my life, my time. I gave up all of it, bro. I was willing to die. I was willing to, and I showed that, and I proved that. I was willing to give up my freedom. I was willing to give up my baby girl, my baby boy,

to tell my brothers that I love them. but the moment I decide to leave, you don't want to speak to me anymore. You don't love me anymore. You can kill me now. Why? What? What does that? What does that even mean?

How does that even happen? Am I hearing this correctly? I'm still right now in shock that one or two brothers really communicate with me still. Outside of that, it's like, man, like I'm. watched. Like, without, I can't really indulgence much, but it's like, what? We did, what? How is this possible?

And one of the reasons I ended up leaving was, I was always struggling with that inner demon, that inner demon. Actually, forgive me. I was always struggling with the Holy Spirit. I called it a demon at that point because that's what I was wanting it to be. But really, it was, you need to leave. You need to get out. you need to do this.

And I ended up struggling with that the entire time. Every time I seen a preacher get on the stage. And remember, I've been to more, there's 10 people in a room, I've been to more funerals than all of them probably times two, right, by this time. And every single funeral, this director stands up and he goes, this man, he's with the Lord. he's in heaven with the Lord ladies gentlemen I'm thinking

I don't think he's in heaven with the Lord guys I know him he's not heaven he's in hell right now dude like stop lying to these people we should be crying right now you know and I look around and like we're putting dirt

you know it's a common thing you take dirt and you put it over your brother's body and whenever he's you know burying him and everybody does it and it's a beautiful sight right you would think so but people are just like leaning on the tombstone smoking cutting up i was i was one of them you know you get so numb you're like ah you know

roll ride for you bro pour some alcohol and you know it's like no this is all retarded dude excuse my you know but it just doesn't make any sense to me there was no love there or love loss the same i called a brother up or an ex-brother and i said man i was you need to come out of this lifestyle it's extremely volatile. I found out a lot of things. I was trying to give them the download. I found a lot of things that are true. We're fighting for no reason.

There's people that are talking to the other side, the other team, the other motorcycle club for their self-preservation, and they're giving up our addresses. They're giving up this. They're giving up that. So let's stop. We've got to stop.

We've got to stop fighting. And he said, it sounds funny, or it sounds something. He made this snarky comment on the phone with me. And I said, you know, it does sound crappy. But I said, hey, you know, I texted them back. I said, I just want to let you all know that after this comes out and the truth comes out about the situations, you guys are all cowards because it was disheartening to see people that I loved that weren't cowards to me,

people that would risk their life. But when something that needed to be spoken wasn't spoken, it felt like you just coward. You just, the truth was right in front of your face, the reality of it. You mean our brothers are dying for no reason? you mean we have relationships with the people that were taught to hate and yet we're dying still like that's not good that's like a no that should be a no brainer that shouldn't happen but there's a lot more of that than you would think there's a lot more double dipping there's a lot more calls on the side that are made for someone's self-preservation you look at guys with

five plus years in the club and not all of them are like this but how did they make it that long bro like i was telling so like four or five of my brothers didn't make it past three years three and a half years gone like flies four from for murder one from a motorcycle accident and then on top of that in the other states i couldn't give you a count i don't have enough hands it was brutal and yet i'm faced with this after the fact like man what it made you bitter You still love them. You still, you miss them. But it's pretty pathetic because you're missing something that really wasn't valid.

It really wasn't a real thing. And I think I jumped around. Who's the main rival for the banditos? Banditos are friends to no one. I'm just kidding. Yeah. We have a lot of enemies. Forgive me.

Two months fresh, man. and people are going to be like, you're no longer a bandit. Like, dude, shut up. Like, come on, grow up, man. We got to grow up. It's everyone, like everyone. Mongols, pagans.

Why do you think this is? Like, why do they, why can't everyone just live civilly? Pride. Pride. Pride, self-indulgence. I don't know how. Money. It could be a couple different things

for a couple different people. Some people are just warmongers. Some people just want war. You can't be, you can't go down in history without some type of struggle. So people sometimes create struggles in order to be put in the history books. They think if I create this struggle, I won't be touched by it, but I'll have survived it. And men think like this. We were very methodical with our thought process. I'll earn this patch or I'll earn this status or I'll get up this. Or if I use this brother to do this, he passes away, oh, I'm second in lined. I'm this, that, and the other. And some people, oh, man, that's far-fetched.

No, no, no, no, no. No, all that is is a struggle. There's not really a much love, loyalty, and respect. Even the people that you love and are loyal to, the moment you get a tab that they don't have, it's like, oh. It's envy, jealousy. It's, I want what you got. Or I want to be ruling over you.

It's status. I mean, there's so much. It's so much. But I think at this point with all the war and stuff like that, that was a wartime prospect, a war time hang around, wartime prospect, wartime bandit. It was at the peak of all the war. And everybody was dying, bro.

Everybody was dying, bro. In every state, there was something drastic happening. And there was times of peace. And, you know, I remember my boss at the time was like, dude, I don't think you'll ever experience what I experienced whenever I was coming up. It was just peace all the time. Bandits referred or reverend. It was 2024. You know, 2022 comes around and we're like,

boss the walls. You can't go anywhere without your Kevlar. You know, you're always strapped. Everyone has to have a riding buddy. And I was that guy that wanted to make a name for himself that rode around alone, went to other states I wasn't supposed to go, alone, you know, just wanting to be known. So I'm speaking, it sounds hypocritical, but I'm speaking out of experience not as something that I didn't do myself and not that I'm I asked forgiveness to all the other clubs that I've you know uh cause harm to you know and yeah I hated them I hated them you know I I didn't I didn't love them I didn't I was I was thinking about me I wasn't thinking about I was thinking about me and my family I wasn't thinking about them and their children I wasn't thinking about

you know and there was one point I'll tell you a story So I was at a Harley, and one of the leaders of the, the leader of and founder of the Beast motorcycle club comes into Harley. Or he was in a Harley already. And a Harley employee called me and was like, hey man, there's some here, maybe you should wait. And I was coming in alone. He had, I think, a prospect and a hang around or two prospects with him. Or a patch holder or a prospect, not sure. But he was in his cut.

And, you know, I didn't like him. You know, that was the pinnacle. That was like the, the bee's knees, you know. And I won't Mitch's name out of respect because I have no beef with him at this point anymore. You know, actually, I'm ashamed of the way I treated him. I walked in and I bee lined it to him, dude. I was like, oh, this is the time. This is my time. So I'm little, dude. I'm a little guy, right? But I have a heart. You know, I was ready, you know, whatever happens.

So he goes into another room, he gets on the phone. And Harley's like, get over here, local, get over here now. I don't know we're not having this crap here. And I sit down. I was using the excuses like I was saying stuff like, he killed my brothers and this, that, and the other. When I look back, I go, I wouldn't worry about that. I wasn't worried about avenging someone.

I was being selfish. I was thinking about me, you know? I was putting other people's lives at risk, say another brother would have came to help me. And I could have just left, leave it alone. Hardly is supposed to be neutral, you know. And I wanted to cause more friction, you know. So I walked, so, ah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know, it makes a phone call, man. And this is where I found out that, that, this is where I found out that we were a lot weaker in our area than I thought.

And they'll get a kick out of this when they watch it. Don't get too cocky because I still stood on business. You know what I mean? So I hear bikes. I hear cars pull up. I'm like, my boys are here. My brothers are here. I'm going to get on my cut.

I'm like, wait, that's not them. You know? I got like 20, you know, 25. Now the next thing you know, they're swarming inside. They're like, at one point the salesman was like, there's 15 out there, bro. And I'm like, all right, cool. So one of the, which I can't hate all my people, because one brother that was always with me, and I miss him dearly. And I cry about it every once in a while, thinking about him.

He actually got me these boots. And I wore them. They're snapped, man. You see that they're breaking at the bottom, and they got metal coming through the bottom. But he gave me these boots, and I love them very much out of respect. I won't mention his name. But he stood there with me. It was beautiful.

and he was just standing there and just ready, ready to die with me. And we were going to die. We weren't going to win that one. I had a revolver in my pocket like a dummy. That day I decided to be cool and bring a revolver. And I'm like, man, I wish I'd have had something more than this and there. But so to continue with the story, he comes up and he was going to come shake my hand. He had already made his phone call.

Look, I get it. smart. He's a smart guy. Comes to the table to try and shake my hand. And I stood up, I said, get the, you know, I'll start. Get out of here. So I back up with my hand in my pocket to pull out my thing. And I said, get out. And the three of there, everybody just got to stand still. And he's just like sitting standing there going thinking, kid, I wish you knew. I wish you knew. Because at the end of the day, he was in.

contact with my boss. They were best friends at one point. Like, he saved my boss's life at one point. Multiple times. I didn't, things go way deep and you got to look from an old school's perspective because he earned his stripes in this world, right? And this young man's coming in here and he's going, kid, I spent time for this already. You know, I could kill you right now. Yeah, you might get me, but all my people are going to get you. You know, that's how it works. You get one, and then they get, it don't matter. And I could see his face, it's like, what an idiot, you know, thinking, you know, and back, you know, yeah, it was an idiot.

That was useful, right? And he's, yeah, so he walks out. He could have, he could have did what he wanted to do. He walks out. Now, I'd have stood on business. We both know this. But it would have done no good. so he was the bigger person he leaves.

But he made his presence known because he flooded that place, right? I'm already on the 911 call. I'm calling everybody. Nobody's showing up. Bro, I had like a lot of people in the area that could have showed up. Not one of them showed up except for

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Fear, not every, you got to understand. Not every one percent is a one percenter. You could get the patch. You could wear that patch and they're not, you know, I mean, prospect. Just prospect for. get the opportunity to prospect for a 1% club and you can make it. It's not everybody's about that business. Not everybody's scary.

Some people are just like, what? Some people, I would, if I had a lineup, I wouldn't have picked the guys I was around half the time. Like I was like, no, man, I don't want him. You know, a lot of, some of them at hard, but most of your people are just like everyday guys. They just were willing to put themselves through misery to become a, one percenter and then coasted. They coasted and then rode the backs of people who actually put in work. How long to take you to get patched in? 149 days. No, 100, 179 days. Is that normal, fast, slower? It was a day faster than what was the

minimum and it was not normal, no. It was very fast. By the time I started as a hang around, and normally it's years process, it's five-year minimum. The pencil-whipped that. By the time I started to the time I became a member, was a year. It was 360-something days. And how old were you when you got patched in?

30. I'm 33. And I'm two months out. Oh, so you didn't get it. So what did you do all your 20s? You were just moving through? Living life, I was a pilot. I was, you know,

I boxed. I did Jiu-Jitsu. I was into everything, bro. I was retarded. I was stupid. I was looking and looking and really all I had to do was look over here, look over here. And one baby, another baby, a beautiful wife, beautiful. And it took so much of looking in all the wrong places and I didn't just look. Now, mind you, that doesn't mean I'm going to go and make them the idol of my life. with idols this is what i get fearful of when you idolize something so much when it is taken away from you it's brutal and normally the things you idolize are taken away from you so i'm like all right god i'm not going to idolize my family but i will thank and appreciate you for that that you give them to me because i don't want you to take them from me so i want to protect them and i'm not going to i'm not i'll serve them but i'm not going to serve them you're my god that's it just

Just protect them from me. And I find that that's a fear for me because everything that I gave my all two is just like, you know, everything. This, bro, by my boss at one point before I became a bandit, he said, son, you're either going to be the national president or this is going to end very badly for you. He spoke the truth. It ended very badly for me.

Are the bandito structured like other clubs where there's a president, vice president in different chapters? Normally most of your doms, your big four, are going to be all structured similar. Some for, look, just for the Fed's sake, some are structured differently because they don't want, you know, this huge RICO case happening.

But, you know, outside of that, I think normally because everyone, even when we met with the Hells Angels, you know, and again, we would meet with them twice. I remember me and the Hells Angels were talking a group of them, and I was talking to the president, I said, man, dude, come down to Houston, you know, come hang out, and you got a place to stay. Here's my number. And my brothers were around me.

He was like, what the hell was that? I was like, I was just talking to some friends of mine. He's like, no, no, you don't invite them over here. You don't invite them to Houston. And I'm like, why not? I see there's pictures of you on your wall in your garage of them. And it was a persona like, we're the baddest and we're this. So it's not really a friendship.

It's tolerating. It's like, I'll tolerate you for whatever gain. This is a big showing. It looks like we're friends. So this is what we do. But, you know, everybody brags. I've slept with this hell's angels girl. And I've slept with me.

I'm like, they're saying the same thing over here, bro. Like, you know, it's just how it is. When you're in such a deceitful situation and everyone's trying to be the best, it's pretty written on the wall. You don't have to be a rocket scientist or to be involved in any type of organization to know that the corruption isn't worth being in the organization at all. And it's funny, I could say this now with clarity, but then it's just like this cloud of being feared, this cloud of being the baddest thing. And really, the only thing people that fear us is

us. No one else fears you. In your mind, it's like listening to music, you ever jogging listen to music? And you're in the song, and you're like, Rocky Five, listening to war. And you're jogging, and all of a sudden, you're like, wait, no one else hears this. No one else gives a shit that I'm having a great time in here motivated. And that's kind of how it was, you know, nobody really cared but us. Did you ever make it to a leadership position or no? Never made it to a leadership position. The closest I got, I was like a liaison for support clubs. There was no tab for that. But my job was to make sure that the support clubs did what they were supposed to do or they were disciplined. And is that a paid position?

Like you get a salary? This is what embarrassing, you know, you call me out like this. No, guys, none of this, you get paid. None. You actually lose money. Like, it sounds so dumb, but you do a monthly due. You do a monthly due. And I hope people wake up.

Like, how do guys support themselves? I don't get it. They don't. And you're constantly doing a fundraiser to support your brother, the same brother, or the same brothers that are broke and they're full-time bandits. And there's always some type of, and look, they're not, I never experienced any type of drug laundering or money laundering or it's just, I didn't experience that. I couldn't tell you. The violence was there, but I didn't experience any type of like this huge glorified.

There's not even women involved, bro. There's just like, there's none. It's just a big sausage fest when I could, like, for real. It's just like, there's nothing. You go there and you look around and everybody's just, just, like, there's just. the guys and whatever you know it's like you see your brothers that's what you're excited to see but when you look back on it you're like what are we doing you mean we could be doing this without this cut on and we could not be dying and we could not be paying you to rip us off and that's basically

how it goes it's like you're paying someone to take everything from you here let me give you $100 a month so that you can strip me of everything that I've earned, everything that I don't realize I need to love or I love. But let me let me let you do that. On top of that, add some murder and add some death to this. Let me lose some more. And here, I'm going to give you $100 a month for that. That's what you're signing up for. And most people are like, what about the culture? What about this? What culture? A culture of what? Tell me the beginning of your 1% motorcycle club story and sound like just really listen to what you're saying your culture you want to be a part of what exactly loss of life okay and you're offering me what now brotherhood but but then the story the

true stories are this president turned on this president this guy swit snitched on this guy this guy's free because he told on this these people or you know it just doesn't make sense. So it's really not, it's not helping your case. It's not helping our case. It didn't help our case. As a matter of fact, often I discouraged support clubs. Now there was just a couple support clubs that, for their safety, I wanted them to come over. That didn't work out. And they played both sides of the fence. And I didn't know really the inner workings of that. And I was doing this too. Sometimes I'd be like, come over. Then I'd hear something. I'd be like, no, no, no, stay that way. Stay that way. Then, no, no, y'all, y'all can come over now. And everything was so

ever changing. Nothing was ever stable. So I could be telling you something one day, you come to a party and you're okay to come. But when you get there, you get smashed and it's on me. And I'm like, yeah, I wasn't expecting that. And it makes you look just, it's hard to sell the thing. And that's one of those things that I tried to do. I tried to hype it up. I'm a good hype man. Like I'm a good salesman, bro. You know. And a good ping pong player. No, horrible. Anyway. Yeah, no, so five points in a row, just saying.

What did your wife think, your current wife? Because there was a crossover. She meets you while you're in the club. No. She didn't? No, five years. We've been married five years now. She was with me.

Oh, before you join the club. So what did she think about you joining? She was scared. She was very scared. She was very scared. and she's an amazing wife. She's very, you're the man of the house, and I'm going to submit to that, and I love you.

And she's a godly woman. It's crazy. We didn't meet like that, man. We were both pretty wild, bro. And she met the Lord. She didn't meet Brandon. Brandon didn't teach her this, you know, because look at me, you know. And she stayed consistent and she stayed faithful to God,

where I just, it's funny because she didn't know nothing about Christ. and I'll sidetrack it because I kind of want this point to be made. It's like when it comes to a relationship with the Lord, like I grew up in the church. I grew up hearing the good news. I grew up seeing these things. And my life has been so chaotic and so up and down and so like not consistent. And yet she knew nothing about God. And God just showed up one day and she's never went back because he was that beautiful to her. I'm like, how do you do this?

How is this possible? And so she's very expiring. I had to say that about her. And you see that a lot with people who didn't know nothing about God and one day meets him like Russell Brand. Isn't that awesome? He's like, you know, at one point just in disdain. And then all of a sudden it's inspiring to me

somebody who should be doing the right thing. And that has no excuse. it just to me it's this on I'm going to use a strong word but it's an unmolested relationship to where you know you have all these doctrines

and all these preachers and you hear all these things over the years but yet you see a different you see someone preaching on something but yet they live a different life and your your belief is distorted by that behavior and then you end up adopting

that same behavior behavior and doing the same things they did. So it's just, it's crazy, it's not cool, but it's inspiring to see people who have this just, I just love them. And I don't know anything else, you know. And sometimes I just like, Lord, wipe it, just like dry race board, right?

You know, I'm being honest when I say, like, I truly can't concentrate sometimes. Like, I'm thinking about something right now and talking to you. So, and it's not like this crazy, I hear voices. No, I'm just processing stuff, right? And I see, I lost my train of thought. Once you got patched in, was it what you expected it to be? No, no. My phone went dry. So when you're a prospect, your phone goes off constantly because someone

needs your help and you have to be there constantly. Most of the trauma, I say that and they're gay. you know most of this stupidity that I got into was as it was in my prospect face I got you know I got don't get me wrong that being a bandit was was fun at times but no maybe the first second week it was cool

but you realize that the brothers that said hey you're going to be a brother when you make it they stop calling you because they don't need you anymore you're patchholder now. Dude, this being a prospect is the most humiliating thing on the planet. If you think you've had a bad of getting hazed at your sorority, you're ridiculous. Like, this is crazy, bro.

That is an interesting analogy, though, joining a fraternity or sorority and then, you know, joining a biker club. I would say cultish. I would say it's more like a cult. You know, if I look back, it's more like a really, really... You're great at protecting your data, but lots of places could still expose you to identity theft. I thought it was safe. If that happens, LifeLock gives you a U.S.-based restoration agent who will stick by your side from start to finish.

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Angry religion. Yeah, really an angry religion. Mixed in with, I would say, more violence than a regular cult? Regular violence. Every day. Every day. Because you're on a board

and that board shows what happens. happened here. Rest in peace. Rest in peace. Rest in peace. Rest in peace. This happened. And then you get calls constantly saying, hey, that brother, you know, he just got smashed up or he just got bludgeoned or he just got this, that, and the other. And you're just like, it's weird, bro, because I was talking to my boss at one point. He was like, you know, I really liked him until after all this. And, you know, the cowardice that he showed me by not just being honest with me about his communication with the other side, both of my old bosses. Like, why didn't you tell me?

Like, we could have just been safe and I would have went with it. I'd have been like, yeah, okay, so we're not going to get killed. Instead, you know, I was like, you know, I'm not going to kill. You might get killed, but I'm not going to get killed. And it's weird how you could talk like this, but it took a while. It took a while. It took a couple funerals for me to get used to all the death. And it took a lot of anxiety and a lot of sleepless nights where my shotgun was

next to me and my wife had her pistol as well. It gets really rowdy son like really rowdy. So if people don't understand you're just like, dude it's real. It's not fake. Now with this much violence, doesn't that attract law enforcement like the feds infiltration? You would say that. Yeah, you could say that. Yeah, in the history of things. Yeah, no, it definitely attracts them. Like I've been seeing a lot of interviews of like undercover. but it's mostly about the hell's angels is what I've been seeing. No, this is the first time a bandit's ever talked to anybody. Really?

Former bandit. Okay. Ah, forgive me. That's a lie. One or two national presidents and that's it. How does that make you feel? It's not about me, bro. No.

I'm not going to even go there. I don't want to get there. I'm not here to, dude, this is me. This is me. going out to eat. This is me, you know, hanging out with the fam. This is me being being your friend. Like, I'm not, I don't want to use anybody. I don't want to put anybody under so that I could be elevated. This is just the truth. This is the truth. And I want my brothers to come out of that lifestyle. And when I say my brothers, not everybody I like, some of them I could care less.

maybe God deals with me one day about that but the brothers there's a common phrase uses sometimes or excuse me there's brothers and then there's others there's brothers and then there's patch holders I'm like so what's the point in having them in the club bodies

yes you know like oh okay cool cannon fodder fantastic we need more of that what happens to your best in your patch and stuff when you're out I gave it back You just hand it over. Okay. Do some people keep it or no? I mean, who's coming to get it?

If I wanted to keep it, who's coming to get it? Yeah, I mean, if you want to keep it, you're going to get a fight on your hands. I mean, you're probably going to get a fight on your hands regardless for leaving the club. But I'm not a drinker. I don't go to bars, stuff like that. And you come to my house and you're going to get dropped at my doorstep. No, you said you were put out. I've heard the term out bad and those terminology.

But what does put out mean? So you quit and it'll say so-and-so decided to leave this great nation. Super hilarious. I mean, whatever, okay. He decided to leave to better his life, you know, or to, it's always a snarky thing. Or to, for financial obligations. So you weren't kicked out. Out bad.

Yeah. No, no. Okay. No. Out bad or out. No contact, no association. And you're blacklisted. and literally your phone dies.

Thousands. I have thousands of people in my phone. No joke. Thousands. Not a joke. Because don't they send like a mass text out to everyone? Yeah. Thousands.

You're out bad. Yeah. Thousands. It's kind of like high school. Worldwide, bro. Like not just, you're not, you're not, you can't go to Taiwan. You can't go to Russia without a bandit going, you know. It's like, you're out.

But isn't there like a way to be? out in good standing or is that only in certain clubs? Not in our club. Not in my former club. It was stupid. Whoever did that is stupid. They know they're stupid. Update the bylaws or whatever.

Like why do they still have this? They can. But again, it's not cool. It's not cool, you know? It's so silly. Bro, is it? It's like, we've got a lot of problems in this world right now. Like, I'm talking, I don't have to say that.

You're like 20 days away from possibly the apocalypse if one person gets voted in and not the other or vice versa. And we're over here like, what coach you wear? What colors you run? And it's so gay, dude. It's like, what? What do you mean? You could have served as a Navy seal and sacrificed your leg for this country. Because a lot of people are vets.

And then I'm going to try and hurt you or take your stuff. Like, come on, man. Now that you're not... That's stupid. Now that you're not affiliated with a club, are rival clubs still an enemy or a threat to you? Or do they... It doesn't matter.

I mean, I've lived in that world so long at this point. And it's not long. Really, in the scope of things, I was only around the club for like three years. But I lived in a... constant anxiety, you know, my blood pressure got high at one point. I was facing medical issues. I was going through a lot of mental issues in doing all this as I was going, as I was going.

And, um, gainy weight, losing weight. Ganyweight. It was just trauma, bro. Uh, and people call it super, you know, I think there's going to be a lot of man, dude. he's not, you know, he couldn't handle the heat. Bro, there's people out there in the 1% world. They don't do anything. They just go outside when it's convenient so people can see them and then they'll go right back inside.

The risk factor. I risked everything. I was out there. I was out there. My one year of Full Patch made your 20 years look like Duky. Because what did you do? You were what? You rode your bike where?

A lot of people don't ride their bikes. There was more people that were in support clubs that rode more than bandits. I enjoyed being around support clubs and people who weren't support clubs more than I did my own brothers sometimes. Because it's like, oh, your normal badge, you know? I didn't care what you were wearing. I have a picture that I sent so of me and like, buy my money. myself and like 10 other clubs and they were all behind. They loved me.

You know, but fear does do things to people and they don't talk to me anymore because I'm out. And you make relationships, you think, oh, I save that guy's butt. He's going to talk to me after. Nah, man. I should have learned on Survivor when I got screwed over by that one dude and, and, uh... Oh, yeah, Matt was telling me, so you were on Survivor? A couple times, yeah. What season?

I don't remember. Is this early on? That was like 19. Wow. Was it fun to do? I got to watch your episode. Get ready to be embarrassed for me. Did you make it far?

Wow. My uncle was a big name, you know. So like top? I really bombed, bro. I was still unstable. Like I said, you're going to see the transition in life. I was unstable, bro. The first season, I was really religious.

In the second season, I'm like, F you! You know. So they brought you back. as like a reoccurring contest. Yeah, it was a bad idea. I watched it for the first time ever this year, like some of the newer seasons. Congrats, man.

It's horrible. I would do it, though. I feel like it would be fun because... You would be good. It's like strategy. It's people strategy more than the actual physical. You listen. You listen.

You're going to be... You would be good at it. And I think, Jeff, if you're listening, my man wants to get on the show. No, so I get reached out to a lot for reality TV shows, but the problem is you have to commit like 60 days or whatever. and I can't walk away from this.

Yeah, it'd be kind of foolish. Like, I almost got casted in like a dating show years ago when I first started social media. Sure. And had I gone and done that and been away, I wouldn't have what I have now because that time was crucial for me to build, you know? Yeah.

So it's just, it's crazy, like 60 days in, I would never do that. They couldn't pay me enough money. 60 days in, is that that jail thing? Yeah, it's a jail thing. And they'll give you, like, I've had some friends in my space where they'll, you know, they've offered them like 60, 70 grand to go in there.

But no phone, you know. If I went 60 days not running my social media, not recording episodes, yeah, I make some short-term cash, but long-term, how does that play out? I heard some numbers yesterday and I'm just going to be, you should stick to what you're doing, my guy. You know what I mean? Like, if you want to trade, I got you. Hander your business. When you come back, I'll hand you.

handle it. Well, I'm on the bottom of the total bull bed. You know, like SOS puts up higher numbers, a bunch of friends, you know, I'm beginning, you know, I'll get there. Got to respect SOS's hustle. Quality over quantity. I get it. But, man, y'all do, you're doing good.

Yeah, everyone does their thing. You're doing good. I'm grateful that he's gotten me. He's opened up the door for big interviews for me. You know, like I did mooch and he's lined up some other people and then I've met people organically. and it's funny I realize like everything in my life

played out to this like I didn't snitch or or like cooperate against anyone and had I did I wouldn't be able to sit down with some of the people that I do interview now that are like 25 years fresh out of prison for not ratting they wouldn't sit down with me

you know so I got lucky in that sense well that's awesome man congratulations thank you man it's kind of a weird weird way to do it though, right? Yeah. Where our lives kind of... I wouldn't have guessed this. I'm sure you wouldn't have either.

So how does life... What is life like for you now? One day you're in the club, you're living this lifestyle, and then you're out, and you gave that analogy about the phone, but like, what is life like? Do you go and get a normal job? What do you do? No.

I mean, life's not normal. No. There's consequences to our actions. we know this no my life is very look over your shoulder you know I am

I am actively being careful about my club retaliating on my behavior this kind of stuff they know me they know the response

so if it if it were to happen it would be when I wasn't looking it would be their only hope, but I'm prepared. I'm prepared. But like I said, they know me. I mean, I don't feel like you've divulged any secrets.

You've given, you know, you're speaking your testimony. You know, that's the thing is they don't care. It's like, it's like animals. They think irrationally, you know, you hurt my feelings, so I'm going to kill you. Like, this is where we're at. But this, everything, it's not just this, is cancel culture and everything else. You say the wrong thing. If you get out of line, you're getting a spanking.

Well, that's anywhere. You know, you piss off the rock person at a Starbucks. You just happen to piss off the most dark motorcycle club on the planet. And I can tell you that, you know, not everybody's. Not everybody's like that. I mean, 90% of the guys, if I seen, they'd just go the other way, to be honest with you. Because they think that I'm more angry than they are at this point. I've stressed my anger.

I have been honest. I've contacted them back multiple times and said, hey man, this is some BS, I'm coming to your house. You know, that kind of thing. And it's always, you shouldn't have did this and you shouldn't have did this

and it's all, you know, and obviously law enforcement gets involved. Yeah. They know everything. They know everything. Yeah, don't they have to notify you if there's like a threat made against your life? They have.

They have. fuck my attorney. If you could reach one person today and offer them advice, like if someone that's listening to the show can take away anything from what you have to say, what would you want that to be, the most important thing? Oh, wow. Well, first of all, I want my brothers to know. That are my brothers.

And right now, they're still in this fog, right? You know, I thought like that, too. I was the guy who was like, he's out. How come he left? you know, I get it. But when you wake up, I love you. You can call me. You can reach out to me.

There's no bad blood between us. I didn't tell everyone I was leaving. So, you know, I miss a lot of people. I have made real relationships with some people. But again, you know, I didn't give anybody a chance to speak their peace, maybe a few people, but I didn't give everybody that I should. So I left in a sour way, I think. but it was best for my family

so it's not something that I regret I left for me and my family this wasn't good for anybody I love them very much and I hope they wake up I hope they realize that they don't have to die they don't have to leave their kids fatherless they don't have to leave their wives, widows

they don't have to do anything like that man they could choose to look if you don't stand for something you'll fall for anything You got to stand up. You got to say what's right. It doesn't take much to do the right thing. You just got to be willing to accept the consequences. And I haven't done this the right way the whole time. So I'm not acting like Goody Two Shoes. What I am saying is I want to make it better now. Other than that, if you want to continue this lifestyle, if you want to get into a lifestyle,

I suggest you get close to Jesus because you'll meet them quicker than most. Brandon, thank you so much for coming on the show today. I appreciate the opportunity. Yeah, I appreciate you sticking around and hopefully you have fun with Matt. Yeah. And, you know, safe travels back home and definitely keep in touch. And I wish you the best to your family and your future endeavors. Thank you.