Locked In with Ian Bick - Ex-Cartel Drug Runner Reveals How She Escaped the Life & Became a Prison Chaplain | Jody Tripp

Episode Date: December 18, 2024

Jody Tripp shares her story of running drugs for the cartel and how she managed to avoid prison despite the risks and consequences of her actions. Jody explains how she walked away from that dangerous life, changed her path, and ultimately found purpose as a prison chaplain. This conversation explores the choices that helped her turn her life around and her journey toward helping others find hope and redemption. #ExDrugRunner #CartelStories #PrisonChaplain #RedemptionJourney #TrueCrimeStories #CartelLife #LifeAfterCrime #PrisonMinistry Thank you to AURA FRAMES for sponsoring today’s episode: Exclusive $35-off Carver Mat at https://auraframes.com/. Use code LOCKEDIN at checkout to save! Connect with Jody Tripp: https://www.facebook.com/share/1UE9UdDmaj/?mibextid=wwXIfr Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Presented by Tyson 2.0 & Wooooo Energy: https://tyson20.com/ https://woooooenergy.com/ Buy Merch: https://www.ianbick.com/shop Use code lockedin at checkout to get 20% off your order Timestamps: 00:00:00 Meet Jody: Chaplain and Podcast Listener 00:04:06 Childhood Struggles and Family Dynamics 00:08:06 Overcoming a Violent Past in School 00:12:15 A Wild Past and Racing Cars 00:16:35 Border Smuggling Stories and Risks 00:21:00 Life in Connection with the Cartel 00:25:18 From Witchcraft to Seminary: A Personal Journey 00:29:17 Unveiling Family Secrets and Childhood Impact 00:34:19 The Role of a Prison Chaplain 00:38:00 The Power of Forgiveness and Self-Worth 00:42:14 Redemption and the Path to Becoming a Chaplain 00:46:14 Reflections on Injustice in the System 00:50:12 A Startling Incident in Prison 00:54:31 Witchcraft and Personal Experiences 00:58:19 Dangers and Challenges of Horse Riding 01:02:55 Revealing the Past to a Partner 01:05:44 Elon Musk's Starlink Initiative Powered by: Just Media House : https://www.justmediahouse.com/ Creative direction, design, assets, support by FWRD: https://www.fwrd.co Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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probably say, yeah, she would do that. Well, you got so much energy. And you're a listener of the podcast. Absolutely. Do you have a favorite episode? I think my favorite episode, because it was so open, was a cat burglar. And what she did, and she described what she was looking for in the houses she was looking for and the audacity to go back in one of those homes that she was there, the owner comes home, and then she climbs back in to go make things right. I mean, I thought, oh my gosh, this is wild. Yeah, I love that. I was telling someone the other day, I love the people that listen to the show regularly that come on because they kind of know what to expect and they, I don't know, I feel like it brings more energy to the show. Yeah. So that's really cool.

Where was the sick go you got stuck at? Was it down the road? It was just down the road. Yes, yes. That's funny. I didn't even know there was a sick go around here. Google Maps, what can you say? Because there's a Valero across the street. I see that. Apple Maps is where it's at, though.

Oh, okay. So you came from Missouri today. Correct. Where did you grow up? I actually was born in beginning, early years, raised in Compton, California. Oh, you're a Cali girl. I am a Cali girl. Born and raised, bread in my bones.

At some point of time, my family moved to, Garden Grove and then my mom and dad divorced when I was about nine years old and then moved to Cyprus. That's California too. California also, but then due to my home life then because I was a, my mother was a witch. A witch. A witch. A practicing seances, sacrifices.

And I was the slave child. Like an evil type witch or? Well, white witch. So what does that mean? Well, they're supposed to be good. No, they're not. No, they are not. So I was quite, I wasn't just abused.

I was tortured as a child. And did you have siblings or was just a kid? I do. I was a middle child of an older sister and a younger sister, but come to find out just four years ago that my sisters are only my half-sisters. My mother had slept with other men. But then she turned gay, so it doesn't, she's a mess. So when you say tortured as a child, what do you mean by that?

My mother would torture me out of fun in front of people. And I kind of looked it up recently because she used a lot of water. She would waterboard me or she would stick my feet in hot water or she would tie me to the pergola post in our backyard and hose me down. break my bones. And why would she do this? What would cause this? Sadistic torch. She just was deranged.

I feel sorry for her. I don't want to speak ill will of her, even though she was an awful lady. But I think she wasn't right. Did you think what she was doing was normal at the time when you were a young girl? Yeah. My sisters weren't anywhere around,

so I didn't know if they were getting it. So when I went to school, I thought, well, doesn't everybody get treated like this? Wow. So still to this day, it was all about you can't cry. You can't shit a tear. You can't cry. So I have a hard time crying.

And no one, your classmates, teachers, no one noticed that this was going on? Neighbors? No neighbors. But one day I was sent to school with a broken ankle. She broke my ankle. And it hurt really, really bad. And the teacher, I said, you know, she, I was really upset. and hurting.

She says, you've got to go to the nurse. And I said, I can't, I can't. And so she sent me anyways, and I said, you can't call my mom because I knew if they called my mom, I would be in bigger trouble. And they called her and they even called the police. And so, no, no, no, she's, Jody's fine. She's all right. You have to take it.

They told, the school told my mother, she had to take me to the doctor. bring back a note. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything's fine, so they let me go with her, but as soon as we were out of eye shot of them, I got beat up pretty bad. Wow. And did you guys have money growing up at all?

No, according to her... This is weird. So according to her, no, we didn't have money because it was my dad's fault, but it didn't make sense because when we moved from Garden Grove to Cyprus, we actually upgraded. and got a brand new car, got a brand new house, got brand new furniture,

but yet we were too poor to live in the house we were living in. It didn't make sense. So, according to her, we didn't have money. When we went like school clothes shopping, I wasn't allowed to get new clothes. My sisters were. I wasn't. She would take me to like thrift stores to get my clothes. How would people describe you as a kid?

Farrell, still to this day. Farrell. I love that. I am feral to the bone. That's like a word everyone's starting to use now with social media. Oh, really? That's come back, you know, like feral girl summer and stuff. Have you heard of that at all?

No, no, not at all. Do your kids say that at all? No, no. Just hard to contain because, well, my upbringing and the zest for life and not willingness to conform to a mold. What about aspirations? What did you want to be? Did you have like an ski dream?

I wanted to be zoologist. This is the first. I've never heard of this. Yes, I loved animals. Though keeping my mother was having me killed them. I was the one who had to kill them. And they didn't like it. But I wanted to go to school and, you know, take care of animals.

And that's why I have animals to this day. Yeah, you were saying you have a horse farm? I do. I have horses that I use for ministry as. to help rebuild proper relationships because I feel there's a disconnect in our relationships and what a healthy relationship looks like. So they're non-judgmental.

People love them, but they're a real good mirror of our heart, and they'll tell me how a person's feeling. The horse can? Yes. Are they similar to dogs and kind of in that sense, too? Yeah, in a way, yeah. Interesting.

But much more, I think they're much more of a magnifier of that heart than a dog. Oh, really? Yeah. Even though they don't show, do they show the physical emotion? Yeah, so I can read a horse's body language and they'll tell me what's going on with the horse, which will tell me what's going on with you.

Wow. That's incredible. Now, when you said your mom was having you kill animals, that was for rituals? Correct. Rituals, seances, there would be ducks, chickens, gofers. God, those were the worst, because she would have me. stand over the holes with a shovel in my hand and add a weight in the beating sun until the heads popped out.

It was like, whack-a-mole. And, yeah, that was hard. So when do you realize that this is not normal? Probably in my teenage years, I started to run away. She beat me pretty bad. I was approximately 13, 14 years old. I ran away. came back, ran away, but I would finish school,

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Where do you think all that anger came from? Was it because of what your mom was doing? Yes. Yes, definitely. Yeah, that anger, that frustration, that pain had to go somewhere. And so to this day, I kind of think, and I think of bully kids, because I was a bully kid. What is going on with that child's life that we don't know that has made him like that? Yeah.

Because I was that child. So they let you graduate by the grace of God. What happens after that? Where do you go? Oh, gosh. This more fun begins. So I'm partying wild all the time. And late 70s, early 80s is when Coke had a ride.

Oh, that was a good one. And so I spent a lot of money doing Coke. And how I paid for it, I work some but play poker. And I won a lot. So, and then I bought more Coke. Like underground poker tables? No, they weren't underground. They were people, friends, whoever was having the popcorn.

poker party, the poker table. How did you learn how to play? I just watched. Wow. Just watched, yeah. And was that the first drug you've ever tried Coke? Oh, God, no. Okay.

My mom and dad had, when I was younger, I had a pony keg in the fridge. So I started drinking beer. Yeah, I had started drinking beer when I was five because I had to pour the beer from the frosted mug, take it from the freezer to the pony keg and pour it from the tap. And then you couldn't leave a foam. So I had to suck the foam off, you know, before I gave them their beer. And, you know, sometimes there'd be a big head of foam on it. And, yeah.

And then there was quailudes. Those were fun. And there was Boons Farm wine. That was fun. It just graduated quailudes. There was pot, PCP, LSD. And you've tried them all. Oh, yeah.

And combination, too. Wow. I mentioned none of the people you work with now have any idea of this. No, they don't. But it goes to show you that everyone has a past and has gone through that. Yeah, yeah. And it doesn't define us. Yeah.

And there's very few people that I feel like go throughout their whole life not living that wild side at some point. That's the thing I have to live. I can't just exist. I have to live. And that's I still do it to this day. I race cars. Now I use my horses also to do cattle drives. I've got to live full.

Do you think that makes you more compassionate? towards other people's circumstances? Absolutely. Absolutely, because there's a lot of hardships out there. So you're doing Coke, you're gambling. Yeah. Where are you living? You're gone from your mom completely? Right.

So on the streets, basically. And then at some point of time, I get asked to go, hey, do I want to make a lot of money? Well, sure, does anybody, you know? And so because I started racing cars at 13, I mean at 16, I was racing 71 AMC javelins. I don't know if you remember those. Those are from, it was a NASCAR protocol cars and winning those races. And then I had a 72 Thunderbird. I know what that is.

429 motor, double barrel holly stock carburetor. It was fast. So they're like, man, she fights. She tries. So I got hit up on smuggling. So someone, like, who is this girl? No, not the girl. Friend of her friend.

So I played, when I played poker, I played with guys. Girls, I didn't even fight girls. They were just pansies to me. You just go and fight guys. Only. Only. And they just, I was like the Tasmanian devil. because I didn't care what happened to me or anybody else.

And so word got around about me. And so I started smuggling drugs around 1981. Wow. Did several runs up until 1984 and then did it one more time in 2000. People don't know this, but about 2001, 2002. So bring us through your very first run. like what that conversation was, all of that? It was simple.

It's because I was pretty much a loner. I didn't really have friends. Like I said, nobody wanted to be my friend. I mean, would you if I was just wild child? And so drive my car. All I had to do is drive my car across Tijuana. They would take my car, put me up in a hotel for about two or three days. I'd go shopping in Tijuana looking like a typical tourist.

They take my car. I don't know what they do with it. I don't know where they go. Bring it back to me. I drive it across state line, take it to an auto shop in East L.A. Take it right on in. Drop it off next day. Come pick it up.

That cash be in that trunk. How much would you get? It was simple. So when you did pot, it was $12,000. When you did Coke, it was $17,000. But if you did heroin, that was $25,000. I never would do heroin. because if you did pot and got caught, it was 15 years.

If you did Coke and got caught, it was 20 years. But if you did heroin, they could take you to 25 to life. On the U.S. side or the Mexican side? U.S. side. Okay. And what if you got caught on the Mexican side? I didn't care. I don't know.

They probably would have killed you, right? I would think, from what I understand. That is a lot of money for that, for back then. So they were making a crazy amount. Do you know how much drugs were in the car? No, no. You know, I'm not that queen pin type of cartel lady. And plus, I'm white.

I'm not Mexican. You know, they're not going to tell me anything. And I don't want to know. I don't need to know. They just know I know I know how to drive fast. I know if it's sheriffs to go east and west. If it's local cops, go north and south. Did you, it wasn't it obvious that a white woman is traveling there and back?

No, not with a car seat full of, you know, on burrows and blankets and jewelry. Oh, wow. And you just look like a typical tourist. You come, and California's full of it, just going from San Diego across state line into Tijuana and coming back. What was the border security like back then? It was lax.

You didn't, no, not like today. You didn't have to have a passport. They didn't have dogs. They did have like mirrors. So I think they put it in. the fender of my car. Because my fender didn't always quite look right. I think that's where they put it.

But I never got caught. And I just acted normal. I acted jovial. Were there ever any close calls? The one in 2002. Why did you take such a big gap? Yeah. Well, I got busy racing more cars.

Then I actually cleaned my act up. I became a nurse. and I had a couple of girls, a couple children. But then I ended up with this strange tumor on my spine. And I thought, well, I'm not doing nothing right now. I just hooked up with some people that I knew in the neighborhood. But that was a freaky situation in itself. This is the second, the last time.

The last time, yeah, because I didn't know then that there's different cartels. So you have a different cartel family in the Tijuana side and going through Juarez, through Texas, is a whole nether cartel. So they didn't like me because they knew from my friends, I did go with two other people on this one and not alone, that I did smuggle on the Tijuana side. So they were real leery about wanting to use me. But they did, and I was there for two weeks, and the Mexicans stole my favorite sunglasses. I was so mad. But it was my car.

I had a red monounseliest. Carlo at that time. I can't remember the year of that car. It was a fast car. And, but before the transaction got completed, I'm not, I'm not joking. I just, two weeks ago and I kept hearing, but I thought I kept hearing the word flee, just flee. So I was like, oh my God, I got to go. So I'm right. So I told my friends and the guys who put us up in the motel, I said, give me my car, back. I got to go. I got to go. So that never transpired. That smuggle never did come to fruition. That last one in the early 2000s. Oh, so you never got paid for it, nothing. Right. But I did get pulled over. Oh, on the way back? Yeah. So if you had the drugs? Yes. They search your whole car.

Yes. All right. So what happens during? Well, I was trying to, I was living in Missouri at the time, trying to get back. Needs to go to the bathroom real bad. Kept missing. There was this like number exit, freeway exit and a business and I missed the wrong one and I had to go bathroom bad and so I kept circling the neighborhood and the neighborhood watch people. I said, man, there's this red car that keeps circling and I'm like, so I got pulled over. So I held the whole conversation, got to understand the whole town from these. I'm going, man, I just need to go the bathroom. And they didn't tell me exactly where to go.

And I was glad I didn't get caught with anything. Wow. And they were just okay. The cartel was okay with you just leaving and not doing the wrong. No, that's when they stole my, no, they stole my sunglasses, but they kept checking in on us. And another weird thing was femicide is very popular over there, the murder of women. Come to find out a few months after that, they unearthed 13 dead women in the field next to where I was staying. So I have a funny feeling that maybe I would have ended up dead.

Wow. And so that first guy that connects you to all this, was he a Spanish guy? Yes. Yes. And I did that totally alone. And he was working for the cartel and he approached you. Obviously, yeah. Wow. Yeah. And you were excited to do that when you first approached you? You got your adrenaline and it made you feel alive. I shouldn't maybe feel that way, but things like that do make me feel alive. Wow. Did you ever think about like, like, as you.

you got older, why you did those things? I didn't have a value of life. I didn't care. I didn't care whether I lived. I didn't care whether I died. In fact, I wanted to die. I didn't care. I didn't just wanted to be wild and crazy.

I just didn't want to be contained. Hence the true word, I'm feral. Now, when you did it that last time and you had young kids at home, did you do it for the money or you did it for? That's what the reason was, but it never came to fruition. But they kept checking up on me afterwards. They'd send families that was living in an apartment at that time. And these Mexican families would show up at random times going,

is there any apartments available? I'm not the manager. The office is like somewhere else. I'm nowhere near it. I'm in the middle of a complex. So it's not like I'm a corner apartment. So they were checking up on me. Wow.

And they never approached you again after that. Like your connections, no one approached you. Actually, I moved after that. Oh, you moved? You got out of there. Yeah, I sure did. But that was still in Missouri? Yes.

So you still live in Missouri now. Correct. So you just moved to a different city. Correct. Wow. And what were you doing for a job? You were still the nurse or you had stopped being the nurse? I had stopped being a nurse.

I was kind of disabled. I had a tumor in my spine. Yeah, you were saying that. Yeah. And there was a point of time I was actually in a wheelchair. And they thought, oh, Jody, just go home and die. And that's what I was preparing to do. And then I realized, well, I'm not going to die.

I'm out of a wheelchair. I'm walking. And I've got to make some money. So, but it was after that I started seminary, which was watch. This June, the world comes to Los Angeles. Kick off FIFA World Cup 2026 at the FIFA fan festival of the iconic Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum. Watch matches live on giant screen. Feel every goal with thousands of fans.

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You shouldn't start off with seminary because I didn't know the Bible. And all I had was this stupid King James thing telling me, there was even a verse in there, he who piss sits on the wall. Like, what the heck is this? It's the very first day I dressed up in goth, all black. I blacked out my makeup. walked into that first classroom and it was like parting of the red sea and the other students like just left me alone but the old men and I teacher seminary teacher he liked me took me under his wing and I was like oh he's the real deal man but at the same time I was running

a Christian radio station on that campus too which got me on almost in a lot of trouble. Sorry. So they had a Christian radio station that was playing this old pious music from the 20s, and I said, your students don't listen to this stuff. Man, I want something with a bite, something that bites you into your bone kind of music. I said, man, I want Christian hip-hop, reggae, metal, all that. And so that's why I was downloading those songs playing it.

And I met Brian Head Wilch. You're from corn? I know corn. I don't know. He was the bass or the guitars. He was bass. Frenchered off. But I thought, oh, from the dean was going to get me.

I thought I was in big trouble because it was at a tattoo convention. I'm like, oh, no, because I took several of the students there. And I didn't know it was a tattoo convention. So I thought I was in big, big trouble. And they did kind of eventually take the radio station away from me. So why did you decide to go in, is it going to seminary or join seminary? It's cool. You go, go to seminary. So at this point in time, when I was had that mass in my spine, now mind you, I grew up and was raised, I was never allowed to attend church, never to deal with anybody in a church.

Because that was counterintuitive, which was the witchcraft. So I did need help. And there was a local church that was helping me. And I gave them hell. I mean, they would come over and help me and pray me over me and they would tell me. And I would be dressed very scandedly like booty shorts and crop tops. And my belly button was pierced. And they'd go, oh, you know, Satan's getting in your belly ring.

And I said, well, can't your God do the same thing too? You know, and it'd run out. You know, so I gave them help. But I realized that, oh, there was a God. Because I had a lot of demons. Demons were my best friends. I know their company. I know who they are and what they were about.

And at that time, the demons were really coming back after me. I tried to commit suicide. Thankfully, obviously, it didn't work. So do you think you always believed in that then, you know, that religion or God or Christianity that you wanted to join the seminary? No, not until after these people were relentless. And they did it out of, for the most part, they did it out of love. Didn't push me, didn't pressure me.

I started to come. I would write pieces of paper in their pews going, your pastor's the devil. But they still would want me back. And so I started to see firsthand that there was a true love. a God that truly loved me with all my ugliness and all my nastiness and accepted me who I was right then and there. And that's once I realized that this was a good, healthy relationship finally, after failed relationships, that this was worth pursuing. And so I went to seminary going, okay, so to further my education, say, okay, who is this, God these people are talking about?

Because I got to understand that I'm not falling into another trap. And what I found was a very eye-opening experience and that there was a great big God who loved us. And that wanted to heal us in our relationships that had been broken. What ended up happening to your mother? She died. I don't know how long ago. I did run away at age 13, but I would always come back before school started because I knew how to finish school. Weekends, I was gone, but I did come home. And she never questioned me. Where'd you go? What do you do? She didn't care. Because the last time she beat me at 13. And I mean, she was swinging with fists like she usually did. And I never hit her back. But I swung out and I said, if you touch me one more time, I'm going to kill you.

And I think she knew it. So from what I understand, she's been dead for quite some time. Oh, so you never had closure, nothing. How does that make you feel? I'm okay with it. I would, this is going to sound really weird, but of course I would have loved to hear, I'm sorry from her. But she needs to hear, I'm sorry for me too. Because was I the perfect child then?

No. Did I make mistakes? Absolutely. So I need to take accountability for those, even though what she did to me was horrific. How do you expect a perfect child from that? I don't know, but you have to take accountability. Do you think your dad knew what was going on? No, I didn't tell him until about five years ago.

He's still alive now? No, he died four years ago. Oh, wow. Yeah. He was now, I idolatelize that man. but my mother would hide me from him. Now, he was my dad. My sisters thought he was their dad, but he wasn't their dad.

My uncle was their dad. Her brother? My dad's sister's husband. What a mess. I know. But see, really, my mom was gay. Because eventually Aunt Butch moved in with us. Wow.

And she wore bib overalls and butch hair. You know, but I just, we were to call her Aunt Butch. okay. Why did you wait so long to tell your dad, like after all this time? Because he would have felt horrible how that all transpired and not know and do something about it. It would have hurt him. It did hurt him. He didn't like that.

My mother would hide when he would come for visits. She would hide me or tell him I was sick or tell him I was gone. so visits were not regular, so he didn't know. So how long does it take to complete that go into seminary? How long is that process? I actually went for six years. I just kept going. I loved it.

I wanted to know more. I wanted to learn more just to understand the Bible better, not that you understand God any better, but the Bible, if I'm going to teach, it, and I felt a calling to learn it. But I felt the calling to be in the hood. Hence why I end up becoming the chaplain at the Department of Corrections. So how long after did you become the chaplain?

I wasn't even finished with school. I was still, like I did four years, and then I started doing chaplaincy. So you've been a chaplain for how long now? I stopped a couple years ago, but for six years. So six, so it took you. So that's 2000? Well, no, that would be longer. Yeah, it is longer.

Yeah. The math doesn't add up. No, that's right. Yeah, I must have done it for 10 years then. Because you joined the seminary around 2002 or three? No. When did I join seminary? Oh, gosh.

That's a good question. I am not quite sure when I, because it was 2001. See, remember I smuggled 2001, 2002. Yeah. I wasn't ready to do seminary then. No way. No way. So I didn't start until like, oh, 2010.

Oh, so what did you do those other years? Oh, what did I do? Oh, so I started getting into horses. Oh, that's when you got into the horses. Yes. Okay, so you kind of had the farm life and... I helped at farms, at ranches. And you would make money from that?

Correct. And ranch sit. So people, not knowing my past. were trust me to the ranches and their horses to take care of their livestock when they went away. And it became a well-paying gig. Did you do everything you could to make sure your kids didn't have the same childhood experience that you did? Yeah, I went a bit overboard. They're going, Mom, you're crazy.

Yes, I was. And you enjoyed it. So I became overprotective, just cleaning, like, smothering kind. So my mother was the wrong kind. kind. So I went way overboard to the other extreme. And so I suffocated them a bit and kind of squelched them, but we have a close relationship. That's all that matters. Yeah. But they don't know about any of these stories here, right? Nope. So you get almost finished with seminary before you become a chaplain. Yeah, yeah. And I loved it. It was my Friday night date night. I was still single.

and I loved going there because what is it about that atmosphere that is controlled chaos, but they're, you know, they're vibrant in a way and they want to live and they have been, but they've made mistakes, but they're more truth-telling than I find most people. Can you go on? So you could sit in front of them and they'll tell you. I don't ask them about their papers. Some will tell them. Most will tell them crimes murder, child murder.

Some have murdered their children. Even it could be just, you know, burglary, theft. What is the role of a prison chaplain? So bring hope. Simple as that. I just go in. I went to GP. I also went to the pods.

I also saw them in the hole. Segregation. I can only talk to them through their chuck hole on those. But if they were in the pods, I sat at or even general population, I sat down at a table to my back against the wall. And I wasn't allowed to announce myself. Only the CEOs were allowed to announce who I was. If they came, they came, they didn't.

To my table, they didn't. But if they're all on, you know, lockdown, and I come in, sometimes the CEOs would send me where I'd go, nope, they're all on lockdown. They can't come off. A lot of times I would get to a table and they go, well, we'll let the ones get off of their bunks and come out of the, we'll unlock them and let them come to your table if they want. So that brought in. They were like, hey, I'm out of my cell, man. I'm coming out. Come to the table.

Now, isn't if someone an inmate request to see the chapel and they have to honor that? Yeah, absolutely. But it's only on a certain day of the week? Or were you stationed there? No. So it had to be through certain times and certain days when they got visitation is when we could go. Okay. And would you go to different prisons in your state?

No, I just did that. Well, I just mainly did that one. And that was a full-time paying job? It was full-time. No, it was part-time job. part-time. Yeah. Okay. Interesting. Yeah. How many people that go to seminary school become chaplains? Was there a lot or not many? Because that's, you know, most people go to seminary, come or raise, good Christian family, and they know nothing about that life.

They don't know what it's like to go without. They don't know what it's like to have to live on the streets. They don't know. Most of them probably never took a drug in their life. But I understood those people. I understood. them and why they did what they did and why they became the way they were. And it was just a broken down relationships. And I formed relationships with these people. But I had to make sure that I had no interaction with them outside there because I was trained not to become the golden goose. Does a chaplain only pertain to Christianity? Yeah, well, no.

There's other chaplains, like if you're Catholic, there's, Muslim, you could become a, you'd be a Muslim chaplain because we can't deny any religion. They're allowed to go in. So there's different religion chaplains. Did you, while you were working in the prison, ever see inmates kind of use a religion to maybe hide behind what their crime was or to, you know, escape their circumstances within the walls? Absolutely. You know, there was one lady who had murdered her child.

And then, of course, you know Chomos. And murder, child murderers are no good in the prison system. And so she kind of kept herself, except when I came, she came out of her cell. And she came alive. And I gave her hope that she was going to be okay. She was going to, no matter. or what happens, she's going to have to pay for what she's doing. But there's a better way in a better life than what she was leading and that she could be forgiven. And that's the greatest hope,

that you're forgiven and that you're loved. My thing wasn't preaching Jesus or God down on them. I just wanted those people to know that they had value, they had worth. And if we all grew up that way, God, wouldn't we all be okay? If we had value and we knew that and we had worth, Those types of people that you talk to, like the ones you were just describing, do you see a common denominator that they're missing among all of them? Yeah, relationships. Broken relationships. You've seen it in many of your interviews, they've all come from divorce, broken relationships. And then so the family's disrupted.

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How hard as a mother to separate that from, say, religion or your role while you're talking to individuals that, you know, have committed heinous crimes? Broke my heart. It did break my heart. But the one in particular I was talking about, she was a meth addict. So she understood why she did what she did and for the reasons. But it broke her heart too because she cleaned up. And she understood the amount of pain that she had caused. And so it breaks their heart too.

Not at that time, but eventually does. Do you think those types of people are redeemable in some aspect? Absolutely. Why do you think that? Well, if I believe that there was one true God and Jesus who came to take our sins away by faith only, not by good works, by faith alone, then they are redeemed. In God's eyes, they are as if they never sinned. Now, you can say, oh, yeah, okay, I believe. and then walk on and the king continue to do the same,

but you have to ask your heart. Is that a heart redeemed? I mean, did they really or did they just speak the words? Their transformation like mine and others is that you start to want to do the right thing. Do staff members ever give you a hard time for showing compassion to some of these individuals? Friends. Your friends outside and the family. Yeah.

And I relate to them more. not my friends, those inmates. I'm more close to them. I'm a bit of a loner. I'm a big loner. I don't form the best relationships, but I will with an inmate, not outside those walls

because I'm not going to become a golden goose, you know, but I will form the best relationships with them because they're willing to discuss. They're at their bottom's end, and they want to know and have hope. Has an inmate ever approached you to try to get you to become a golden goose?

Absolutely. Well, what has it been like the craziest proposition? Smuggled drugs then. Because some of them will learn about my past that I was smuggled. Oh, God, can you bring us? Not a dang thing. Oh, they do find out about it. Oh, yeah.

I'll let them know my past. So that I know that I know where they're coming from. And they always said, Tudy, you need to write an urban Bible because I wouldn't, I wouldn't read out of the Bible as it was written. because I throw the urban in it and let them know how it all transpired in our today's world in Compton. When you're in those prisons or in that prison, do you ever reflect on your past life and, you know, think that that could have been you in there? Absolutely. And it scared me, really did it, it unnerved me a lot that I would, one day that I wouldn't be able to walk out. And I've committed a lot of crimes, a lot of bad crimes.

And I was only arrested once. For a crime, I actually did not commit. A felony? No, misdemeanor. Sorry. But so I was like, what's this crap? I didn't even do this crime, but I was arrested. And it was only by the grace of God I didn't get arrested is what I'm thinking.

So I could become a chaplain because if I was ever a felon, I could never be a chaplain. So do you believe then that, you know, the universe, God, whatever you believe in, made it so that you didn't get caught and experience that so you could become that chaplain and that person to give hope to others? I do. Because I look at it in like my scenario where like I literally went to prison for a reason so I could do this. Like I wouldn't be qualified to do what I do now if I never experienced prison. Right.

So it's the same thing. Yeah. Except I didn't get caught. Yeah. I try to like I grapple with that every day. I always think about that. But look at what you've done. Look at what you've become since then. You, we look up to you. We love your tenacity. We love how you just attack life. But it wouldn't have been possible, you know, like if I didn't go to prison. So I think about all that. I'm telling you, Elon Musk needs to pick you up. It's like it's a really fascinating, you know, concept when you think about all of that.

Right. Why do things? happened or didn't happen to become the person that you do become. Yeah. Because like there's a part that's what, and we were talking about this in the hallway where like I'm kind of like labeled as someone that committed a crime. But like if people knew like the real me and inner me, like it was never intentional. You know, like I know somebody's. You just wanted to make it right.

You just wanted to become somebody. You made some wrong moves trying to get some money from somewhere else to try to pay Peter, Rob Paul to pay Peter. But you didn't want to rob people. you just wanted to make things right, which was brilliant. I mean, you didn't, you didn't, you should have got off. But maybe no matter how I played it, it was always supposed to end here. I think so.

I think I don't know any other podcasts that are really taken all us wild people and all our mistakes and letting us discuss it. So we could, you know, it's cathartic in a way and let people learn from it. Yeah. Thanks, cat burglar. I know now how to rob them homes. No, no rob it. But yeah, you know, on the topic of that, you know what I found, like with a person like that is most people, like if a guy goes on and talks about how he robbed homes, people wouldn't share that same empathy or they wouldn't have fallen in love with the character as much. But because it was her and her personality and everything you learned about her, you began to kind of root for her in a way.

Yeah. Meanwhile, she was the villain. I root for all your people. Yeah. Because I really feel sorry for them because there was some kind of disconnect along the way. For the most part, for most of them, there was a relational disconnect and they didn't know their value and they didn't know their worth. So my heart breaks for them. And I root them on. I love that. Yeah.

So as a chaplain in the system, what do you see from like you experience it very? very kind of like real, honest and raw. Yeah. But you're also kind of hands off in a way because you're not a correctional officer. Correct. And I can't. I got to remain hands off. I'm just Jody the Chaplin for that time.

And though I let them know, during that time, I mean, during chaplaincy, I got married, I let them know about it and who I was dating along the way. I mean, I let them know my personal life, but they don't know who I or where. I lived. So when I came back from the honeymoon, my husband has since passed away. So, but they were like, oh, this is great. I said, look at what your life can become. Once you get it right. Is it hard to be kind of like hands off and look at all of the things that are wrong with the system? Absolutely. Absolutely. It's hard to do that. And I hear about just like other, your other interviewees, how justice system did them wrong.

And it was doing, they were getting wrong, wrong deals too. And I can't believe you fought the feds and won. But, and not want to go in there and go, man, because you need to make this right because you're doing this girl wrong or doing this guy wrong. Yeah. Have you ever married someone in prison? No. Is that in your job description or no?

No, no. That's a different aspect of it. Right, right. I married a man. Gosh. born and raised a good Christian man. No, no, like, do you committed a marriage? Like, what is it?

Oh, did I marry people? Yeah, in prison, like facilitate. Oh, I was never asked. Not like married an inmate. I know you didn't marry an inmate. I was never asked. Oh, so that would have been your job description? I could have, yes.

Okay, so an inmate wanted to get married, they would have reached out to you to, what is it, officiate it? Yeah, and I would need to get officiate license. Okay. It's only $25 online. But it would have been the chaplain that does that. Yeah. They would want that because they would want it official. It's not like they wouldn't want just anybody marrying.

I mean, that's our thought in marriage. Now, do you have a lot of paperwork to do? Yes. As a chaplain? Just where I visit, not who I visit. How many inmates I visit. And are you recording the notes from the conversation? Nope.

Now, what about, does it have the same laws like doctors, patient confidentiality? There is no legal standpoint, but I obeyed it. Like internally. Exactly. Because I wasn't going to let that inmate or that pod know what that pod was doing or what was going on with them or that GP or those in the shoe or in the hole what was going on. So if someone confessed something to you like a crime? All the time. Really? Openly.

Openly. I didn't ask for papers. And I never asked them. They would just tell me what it was. What they did. Yeah. Why? Just something.

I guess it was something about me that said, trust me, and I'm glad that they do. How do you feel about the use of solitary in the shoe when you talk to those individuals? Oh, that's brutal. In some aspects, obviously it's necessary for their protection. You know, if they're way out and going bonkers for whatever reason, but for the length of time that they put those people in the shoe, that's ridiculous.

And for the only one hour they get a week or a day, that's not right. Because we were meant to be relating to other humans. Put two in there. See what happens. A lot of those guys were alone. Yeah, that's just not right. I don't think it was right. So in order to visit them, I wasn't allowed to go into their cells.

They would just unlock the chuck hole. And I had to do all my dialogue through the chuck hole. And aren't other inmates listening then to those conversations? Yeah. So it was kind of like a whisper, whisper, listen to you. with the ear and then whisper and then to the ear. And would you, do you walk around with like a Bible or how does that work? Yeah. I brought in a Bible. I accidentally purposely broke an inmate's hand in the shoe.

Yeah. What is that story? So when I would enter one way in order to visit the ladies, I had to go down to the hole where they were to go around the corner and go back up into another building. just walking down and, you know, they're all locked up. But somebody forgot to lock an inmate's chuck hole. And he thought it would be real funny to, as I was walking by, fling that open and scream. And I'm from the hood. So I went, bam, and I broke his hand, slamming that chuck hole right back at him.

Now, I was scared because I didn't think I'd leave. But the CEOs laughed and thought it was hilarious. And what happened to the inmate after that? He had to go to the nurse. Did you ever encounter him again? No, I got out of there. I don't know what happened. But I kind of went, yeah, I'm going to go.

So they never, they never, nothing was ever said about it. And I felt bad, but I felt, oh, I'm now going to be stuck here. And I wanted to make sure I could still leave. Yeah, it's got to be a scary thought. Like when I go into prisons to speak, like when you're locked in, it kind of feels like you're back in a way. Exactly. Exactly. And you want to make sure you leave.

Yeah. Once those doors lock behind you, you're literally feeling what the other individuals do. And you hear the slam of those doors. It's got to take you back. Yeah. I mean, I'm building like a prison set right now that I've been posting on my social media upstairs to like do skits. And people are like, don't you have like PTSD or anything? But my whole life is about prison.

Like I talk to people. about prison daily. You know, you just see everything. It's just like it's part of it. You know, I feel like I've built such thick skin about it. But I will say, like, that definitely the scariest is like that. It always goes back to like that first night when you're locked in that cell. Because it's so small, it's half the size of this room.

Yeah. And you just can't get out. Like you're trapped. So if it scared you so much, why are you buying one of the latrines? I'll show you after. I'm doing, I don't know if you've seen any of our skits. I have. Yeah, so pretty much we're going to be like people with personalities that come.

And even people that have never been to prison before that are big on social media, I want to bring them to do like reenactments and skits. I think it'll be really funny. Yeah, I saw it. So like we, I literally have all the commissary items upstairs. I have everything. The, the toilet got shipped from California. I got the prison wall phone.

This is awesome. We got everything, the bunk bed. Yeah. You know, everything you would see in a cell we got. You made a cell up there. Yeah, I'm going to show you after. It's really incredible. People think I'm nuts for it.

They don't see the vision, but it's coming together. Like, I see it. I don't know. I'm the type of person, like when something comes into my head, it's all in. Like, I have to do it. Yeah, and some were visual learners. Yeah. So they'll understand, seeing, you know, it's not like we could watch on TV and really get it, but they're going to get this.

Yeah, they don't see the pieces. Like, why do you buy a toilet? Why do you do this? But when I show the final product, then they'll get it. It just looks like it's cool. I think that's awesome. Now, your children, your family members, they're all grown.

What did they think about you going, spending basically your free time in a prison? They didn't, they're all grown. They didn't care. You know, they don't believe in God. At all? Not at all. Do you try to instill it on them?

Nope. That's not something for me to force on them. I'll ask them questions. Like, I've asked questions like, what do you believe happens when you die? they gave me their answer. Okay. That doesn't mean I have to force my, well, this is what I believe.

Do you want to know? You'll ask. They know about me. They know about their mom. They know that what I believe in, they're just not ready to accept it. And that's okay. I love them for it. Is that common among people in your position and not force it on them?

Would you take it if I force this down your throat? If I said, okay, you got to listen to this and you got to believe. Some people are like that, though. Does that work? I personally don't think so No It was done to me I didn't believe it

No Well you had witchcraft Exactly I had demons yeah I'm not so sure I don't have I still have some Did you ever go looking

To see what the base of that Was like the Witchcraft scenario What do you mean the base Like where it comes from Like how your mom Got into that

And discovered that And believed that Her friends Were part of it That's all I know So she didn't start off doing that. I know that. But she got into friends who were.

And I remember attending my first seance, and that was weird. You know, her things really, I actually thought they moved, you know, table moved, Ouija board moved, you know. She just got into it and thought it was a form of, you know, protecting her and increasing her wealth, which did increase from what I understand. So those types of like a Ouija board, like you hear stories about how like you'll be in playing the game and like a door will creak open or this and that. Is that actual? That is actually true.

I mean, there's some that I'm sure they manipulate it. But I have seen some wicked things. I've met some really wicked demons. So there are evil spirits. Absolutely there are. And I just want you to know they're not always come as evil spirits. They'll also come as like in a shape form of a dead loved one. I remember seeing a dead uncle hanging out at my door.

Creep me out, though. He didn't say or do anything, but he was just right there. And I was like, okay. But it, you know, wasn't no pitchfork or anything like that and all dressed in red. So is there anything, like, is there such thing as like coincidence in any scenarios? Or is that the word coincidence or? Yeah, I don't think that things happen by coincidence. It's, you know, it's a product of what you've done or said or done or a product of, you know, God sovereignty.

I, like, that's why I hate scary movies, but I watch them. It's like, I don't know. I feel like it stem from somewhere. Uh-huh. Like the whole evil spirit thing. Yeah. I don't know. It's interesting.

My daughter just loves them. She's all big time into them. Wow. So why did you decide to leave working in the prisons as a job? To work on my ministry full time, more full time. So people just by word of mouth come and I'm an equine-assisted personal development facilitator. Say that big time. Word three times. I can't say it once.

I'll just give an example. Okay. So I'll use a horse and I'll tell the person to pick a point A and a point B. Now, you and the horse are one. What's your goal? Where's your point B? Now, without talking to, so I'll tell them in the dry lot, this is your world. This fence is your world.

Now, there'll be ropes in there, saddles are in there, whips in there, I'm in there. Now, get yourself from your point A that you said into your point B. And they get really frustrated. And I never tell them how to do it. I just let them problem solve. Use critical thinking skills. in their own way. I just ask open-ended questions.

And a lot of times they don't even ask me how to help them. They don't even look around and go, oh, well, there's a rope over there that could help me. Oh, there's a saddle I could use. And then building a relationship with that horse and eventually. Ready or not, summer is coming. And Wayfair's Memorial Day clearance is on now. Right now through May 25th, get up to 70% off everything home at Wayfair. Plus, score amazing doorbuster deals all sale long and surprise

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Are you going to fly? What if I fall off? You fall off. Don't you get really hurt? Yeah, I've got enough hardware in my body. Oh, wow. Is it true what they say, if the horse kicks you, that you'll, what is it, you'll die or? It can kill you.

It can kill you very easily, yeah. I was just bucked off my horse three, four weeks ago. You got thrown off the horse? Bucked off, yeah. What does that mean? So what she did, so if the horse, if the horse. Rears up on its hind legs and the front end comes off. That's called a rear.

The buck is when it throws all its weight on his front legs and kicks out its back legs. And you go inertia force throws you across the way. And were you okay after? Absolutely. After I got up, I went hiya. Your kids have to look at you as a badass mom. They know that. You couldn't look at my kids wrong because I beat you up.

I mean, now. So there'd be times when my daughter, there was a time, my daughter said, that guy's staring at us. I go, I'll take care of that. Mom, no, you know. And there's time where I actually had to kick guy's butt for coming on to my daughter in front of his friends. Like you fought him? Absolutely, I did. Punches everything.

Compton will come out of me in a heartbeat. It's a switch that happens in me. And I just, yep. Now, the horse ministry that you're doing, do people pay for that? Can they come for free? It's a not-for-profit. So how does that work? How do people sign up?

If they can pay for, you contact me through Facebook. Okay. And whatever you could do, that's fine. If you can't do anything, that's fine. But my hope is that they find more value in themselves and relearn and retrain their brain and their heart that they could know that they can, build good, healthy relationships because they really can. How long do they have to do it for to experience the whole, you know? Depends.

See, that's just the neat thing. Every person is an individual. I don't know. There's some that never get to that point. There's some that get to that point quickly. Depends how much they're willing to give and learn and trust. Now, do you do other things other than horses? Like, I know there's some types of work where, you know,

accident may to go work on a farm or experience all that? Yeah, so work on cattle drives or I take care of a very wonderful family. I also work and take care of 12 other, no, now 13 other horses or clean houses or, you know, just whatever. I watch a lot of dogs. How many horses do you have? Three. You have three horses? Yeah.

Okay. And how old are that? Let's see. There's two more that's coming, and these two that are coming. and these two that are coming is 10, 12, and 5. Wow. So do you think if you ever, if you didn't smuggle those drugs years ago, do you think you end up where you are now?

God, I don't know. I mean, that's a tricky question. I mean, that's that big if, like, if you didn't, if this, if that, what would have happened? I met a man out there. That's how come I moved to Missouri. He was a Marine out in California. my children's father, but that's how I ended up in Missouri. So that had to happen.

But what have I been doing? I probably be in jail. I've probably in prison for a long, long, long time. What happened to him, the Marine? He's off on wife number eight. I don't know what he's doing. Do you think you'll ever get married again? Yeah, I hope so.

I love that. But it takes a special someone like my husband that passed away. He was a good boy. He never did any drug. He'd never even been drunk. He's never smoked a cigarette. And I was like, and you want to hang out with me on a daily basis? Okay.

You know, so we just balanced each other. But he loved that about me because I brought him up out of this quiet. He was quiet and reserved. I feel like people like that excitement that live a totally different life. Yeah. Yeah. At home, I love being by myself out in the public. I'm not too, but one on one, I get it. But you put me in a big room for multiple people and I kind of shut down. Yeah, I don't like doing big rooms. No, because in the trust, it's still hard to trust. People don't want to hurt me because a lot of people have. Did you tell your most recent husband about your past life?

Yes, he did. He knew, yes. How did he react? I had to vomit the truth on to him going, okay. And I did. It was real early in the relationship. I said, I just got to let him know because he actually asked, like, I really don't know about your past. I'm like, you don't want to know.

So I did, and I vomited the truth via text. after another, after another and I just gave him the outgoing, you know what, you're a great guy, you're super wonderful guy, you have my permission and my blessing to go ahead and walk away and it's all right.

And about 10 minutes later, the text came through saying, I'm not going anywhere. Yeah. And our second date was a funeral. Yeah. What a second date. I know.

Do everything very unorthodox? I am unorthodox. Now, a lot of the listeners you know, are people that also came on the show. It's those types of people. And you see kind of like what they struggle with and what they have struggled with and what they are currently struggled with.

What advice do you give to those types of individuals if you give them one main piece of advice? Absolutely. Know that you are loved and you are valued and you have worth that you don't need or look towards others or anyone else to tell you that. You don't need to look to the hood. You don't need to look to mom or dad.

for that, that you are somebody and that you have a lot of worth to you and that you are loved. I love that. Well, Jody, thank you so much for coming today. Thank you, Ian. This is so much fun. A great interview, you know. Nice. You really crushed it.

It was a lot of fun. You made it easy. Good. And you were nervous. Yeah, only because now the family finds out. They'll be okay. You know, family and friends don't know this about me and I'm like, oh, gosh. They'll be okay, you know.

Well, they weeds them out, it weeds them out. Yeah, then the real ones stay, you know. There you go. But I don't think they're going to never talk to you again after that. No, they're going to show a lot of love, I bet. Yeah, they'll find it fascinating. I find it fascinating. And they're going to say, I'm not surprised about you, Jody.

Yeah, and it's all in the past out, too. It's not like you're still running drugs. No. But, yeah, thank you again. I'm definitely going to come to Missouri next year. You do? I'll put you up and I'll put you on a horse. Yeah, I'm going on a horse.

You'll be my first horse. Good. I look forward to it. Yeah, because I do see people on TikTok that do these types of like programs and stuff. Yeah, people with PTSD, sex traffic women, at risk youth, anybody, all these people, marriages, families. I love that. And we'll have the link to your Facebook and whatever else you want in this. So hopefully that, you know, raises some awareness. And then I'll definitely post about it when I go out there too. That'd be great.

We'll live stream. And if you have cell service out there. Barely in certain parts of my passion. No, but we'll find a spot. All right, we'll figure it out. Sounds good. We'll get Elon Musk to put up with those starlings. Yes, that's right. Well, thank you again, Jody.

Thank you, Ian.