Locked In with Ian Bick - Farrah Abraham: Why I Got Arrested

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Starting point is 00:01:35 I can't do anything about it and I didn't try. How does 16 pregnant come around? It felt like I was in jail doing that show. If there was anything you could do differently while filming that show, what would it be? I never said that I'm glamorizing teen pregnancy. I never said people need to go out and become pregnant. You've seen her on teen mom. You've read the headlines, but you've never heard Fair Abraham like this.

Starting point is 00:01:57 No filters, no scripts, just the truth. Farah, welcome to Lockton. Thanks so much for coming on the show. We got you hooked up with that woo energy right now. Yeah, I'm all about this woo energy. Woo! I love it. Go Rick Flair. And it's funny, we both share the same birthday. We just figured that out. Yes. So thank you for having me, fellow Gemini. I feel also like the TikTok we just did, that TikTok trend was very Gemini. So yes. I never do TikTok trends with anyone and you got me to do it. Oh, well, I appreciate it. It came out really good. Yeah. I mean, I was probably like the more nervous person. I have to look like a certain way, but yeah. My girlfriend's going to kill me because she wanted me to do that exact

Starting point is 00:02:36 trend the other day when we were stuck in traffic on the highway. Well, hold this for two weeks. No, she'll be happy because she was a big fan of you and stuff. Well, where is she? She should have been. She's at work, but we'll try to FaceTime her after together so that way you can, you can meet her and stuff. Yeah. You guys were in Salem last night? Salem was amazing. Probably like the best ever Halloween with my daughter. I mean, it's, it's this holiday season. So it's like Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas. It's that. time of year. Did you guys go just for Halloween or did you have an event? Oh, for sure, just for Halloween. That's pretty badass. We just do specific trips all the time. Yeah. And they say you're

Starting point is 00:03:13 not a cool mom there. That's crazy. I think I'm pretty amazing of a mom. But yeah. Now, funny enough, when I first started this two years ago, we had like a list of everyone we went on the podcast that had gotten arrested and you've been on that list and I'm glad we could finally make it happen. Yeah, it was like you. How was I on this list? Because we just Googled like everyone. This was like before chat GPT, so we were like Googling everyone that's possibly been arrested, like the bad mom's woman or the dancing mom's woman, you came up. Oh, really? Teresa Judice, who we just had on.

Starting point is 00:03:43 There was like just a list of people and we got you on. Well, I survived without a mugshot. So even though it said I was on this list, I have not had a mugshot. Really? Yeah. You should probably go get one so that way you could sell it and make a bunch of money. You know, my mom, Deborah, she's got a mugshot. And I just, I can never have one.

Starting point is 00:04:05 I cannot have one. I think like when people think of their lowest low point and you never hit it, like I know my low point and that would be like me letting the world win and get a mugshot from me. So they're not winning. They're not going to win. That's so funny. Where do you grow up, Farah? I grew up in Council Bluffs, Iowa, Omaha, Nebraska.

Starting point is 00:04:24 Shout out to everyone in the big O. But yes, that's what I love. I miss. I love that air as soon as I hit it. I love the Midwest. Who did you grow up with? Who did I grow up with? Like my family, like everyone?

Starting point is 00:04:36 Who raised you? Who raised me? So I had parents, which was Michael and Deborah, and they were on 16 and pregnant teen mom with me the whole time. They ended up getting a divorce as soon as we went from like 16 and pregnant to the show Teen Mom. And yeah, just things started getting a little. I think like when I had my daughter. daughter, which I was 16 when I had my child. So you're like, who raised you? I would honestly just say I raised myself, to be honest, and I had family and public school around me. That was my

Starting point is 00:05:14 environment and like so many. And I think once I had my daughter, I just saw the world in a much different way, but I went through a lot of stuff when I was pregnant. And I lost her dad when I was pregnant. His mom hurt. So yeah, my daughter's father's mom was suing my dad. And then we also couldn't see each other. So it was just a lot of, I just, I think I looked at adults as very immature when I was growing up and untrustworthy, unhelpful, and sabotaging. So I guess that's what's raised me. Maybe some criminal activity. lack of education. And then once I continued and I had my daughter, I just kind of started saying, no. So when my mom hit me, I called the cops for the first time. I didn't really have the gumption

Starting point is 00:06:18 or the nerve or the strength to stand up to stop abuse before 16. And when I had my daughter, I just was like, I'm not doing this anymore. She doesn't deserve this. and I'm not doing this because I have a daughter. So that really changed my life. And then I started raising myself at 16. Before you had your child, before 16 pregnant became a thing, before all of that, how would people describe you? You know, I had this wonderful conversation with someone in like a three-hour ride before I got here. Maddie Ice.

Starting point is 00:06:52 Yes, shout out. And something was really brought up in the car. And it was about me in kindergarten and I was five. I got in a really big car accident with my mom, my grandma, my sister, me, and to answer how people would describe me is after that car accident, it was all over the news. And I think some people relate to news, making them famous. I didn't know what fame was. And there was this girl, I know her specific name. I don't want to give shoutouts to people, but she, before I got in this car accident, said, you're going to be famous one day. Then I got in the car accident. It felt like I was

Starting point is 00:07:37 famous because we all survived and there was helicopters and it was like in a really crazy ditch. And it felt like fame. That was like the first thing of fame because it's like teachers, all these kids, everyone's looking at me. And I still just didn't understand the fame thing, but I felt like the news and that accident gave me like the first understanding of, oh, like, TV, everybody knows you. And I think people would describe me as just a very sociable, just like, sky's the limit person. I think I just like don't believe in limitations. But I don't know what else to describe myself as because I just had boys with crushes on me, girls all around me and, you know, kindergarten and up, just always being like, oh, you're

Starting point is 00:08:32 going to be famous. Like, they, I didn't understand that. And I think I have to say it like that because my sister didn't describe her school experience like that. One of my friends described their experience. And I didn't understand how these kids in Iowa, like me, even knew what fame was. and maybe that's like a blind spot because later on in life I realized like I was just raised to not feel like I was worthy of fame and then fame found me no matter what of everybody

Starting point is 00:09:09 else blocking it for me of everybody else wanting to take it away for me. So I think they just think like I just am like they just described me as that person's going to be famous. She's friends with everyone. and she's limitless. And I think that's what I got out of my life so far. What was your favorite memory from high school before you got pregnant? I got to say, like, I'm sorry, one of my favorite memories, even with being pregnant,

Starting point is 00:09:39 was bringing a camera crew to that high school and shaking everyone up. They freaking needed it. That's one of my favorite things, though. And then before that, man. I have so many good memories before I had my daughter. I lived a really full, full life before my child. Like, to what extent? Like, what kind of favorite memory?

Starting point is 00:10:04 Because I got so many. Just the best, the one that sticks out the most. I wrote about it in my book. I don't know if this is going to be a good thing or a bad thing. One night that I really remember, that was such a happy, amazing night, and it almost could like make me cry too. But my, her dad came and rescued me from my second prom. And we were just getting back at each other.

Starting point is 00:10:34 And so I went to prom with someone else this year. And so I just was like, come pick me up. I'm tired of being, you know, immature. And he came, drove out there, picked me up. And then he took me to a gay club downtown. and we danced our asses off. And we literally had the most fun we've ever had in so long. And I think it's like we only existed.

Starting point is 00:11:00 And it was like, I don't know, it was just so much fun. And I think like when you have that like bell jar moment with someone, which is just you and someone else, it feels like a jar. And you're just dancing and you're having the best time. That's a moment you will never forget. So that's one of my best times in a gay club after prom. What was your worst memory? Oh, God, my worst memory in high school or when?

Starting point is 00:11:23 A childhood high school. Man, I've had a childhood high school. Hmm. I mean, I think, like, it didn't impact in many people. It's not just me. But I think, like, hearing and getting a call that, like, people died in your high school. It happened to be my daughter's father and one of our other friends who got to, in a car accident and died. I think like that's one of the worst things that I probably heard

Starting point is 00:12:00 growing up. I wasn't really familiar with death in that way prior to that. And yeah, it impacted a lot of people that car accident and that death. So that was like our first experience of death as like a community. Going online without ExpressVPN is like not closing the door when you use the bathroom. Even if you think you have nothing to hide, why give random creeps a chance to invade your privacy? Listen, you wouldn't walk into a public restroom and just leave the door wide open, right? That's basically what you're doing every single day when you go online without ExpressVPN. Here's the deal. Your internet provider can literally see every website you visit, and in the U.S., they can sell

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Starting point is 00:14:05 Do you ever think about how life would be differently and how she would have been raised differently had he survived and didn't die that day? Yeah. I have so many thoughts about death and life and if he lived and if he didn't. and that's like a mixed bag in so many ways. Where would you like to go with that? Whatever comes to mind. I think a lot, I mean, look, I struggled with massive depression after that loss,

Starting point is 00:14:35 struggled with a lot of things because I couldn't talk to him before he died because of court and our parents suing each other. So it's like court was just dropped after his death. it's like what then why did that even matter and why weren't we speaking i feel like sometimes when people die it's like i don't know maybe it's from church but they're like could you imagine if that person kept living and if it wasn't in that kind of a peaceful way that they died like their lives would have gotten worse and it could have been more tragic um and i do feel like the The turmoil, the hardships that I endured after his death, it was pretty hard to survive that.

Starting point is 00:15:28 So could I have done that with him better than how I got through? I have no idea because it was just like suicidal thoughts. His mom stealing my daughter out of babysitters, taking me to court, trying to take her social security away. Like there was just court stealing. like it was just so much hardship after that loss that I don't know it's like would we have come together or would we have been more apart and he was already like at some breaking points his spiritual melody if you will was very upset because of his toxic mom at that time um yeah I mean I got to a point when we weren't talking that I literally just like prayed and wished

Starting point is 00:16:18 him all the best because I just wanted him to be happy. So yeah, I can't say like, oh, I wish someone was here. The only way that I say that I wish he was here is like, oh my God, I wish he was here to see Sophia. I think that's the hardest thing that never stops being hard. And I do ketamine treatment even for it is I just will sometimes get these overwhelming like, oh my gosh, I wish he was here, whether it was on our 16th birthday, or if it says just, like, moving away, or if it's like, oh, my God, I just don't speak to my parents anymore. I'd love to show this with you. Like, there will be always those moments because I have a child with him. How does 16 pregnant come around?

Starting point is 00:17:06 Oh, my gosh. Well, I got pregnant. I was in a modeling, like, coaching program, and that was for six months. at the tail and of that six months modeling program, I was doing a whole bunch of work. But my coach had asked me, oh, no, my coach was like, she was getting ready for her graduation. Sorry, I was trying to, like, put myself in the mindset. She was getting ready for graduations of this program. And I said, hey, I'm pregnant. And I still want to do something with this, even though I can't do, like, all the other modeling work and I'm starting to Shelly and like, like she knew that basically I felt like a failure

Starting point is 00:17:53 because no one else in my life supported me. Everybody looked down on me at that time. I'm like, I need to drink. I'm like, I need to not cry right now. Hold on. And so she was like, no worries. I will go find you some work. And I'm happy that you told me about this. And there was one other girl, I guess, who got pregnant in that same coaching program and I guess like didn't really want to do anything or share her story. So her name was Karina. I still talked to her till this day. She's still very proud of me even through all my ups and downs. And yeah, so I applied. There was three things for pregnant teens. I applied to all of them. One was the MTV show that was just greenlit, untitled. And I said, like, in the casting tape, like, I want to show my story

Starting point is 00:18:53 because no matter what, I want to show that you can make it through and, like, you can make something of your life. It was along the lines of that. And I think they're, like, I think my casting tape and me back then is on the internet somewhere. Like, I think they show them to everyone or on TV. So that's really how it is. And then I got a call next week. I think, like, TV in my life to this day. TV in my life has always been like, like, Ferris accepted. Farr's accepted. Like, Farah reaches out, she's accepted.

Starting point is 00:19:25 And I think, like, that's what I needed to learn about life is say, okay, like, I need help, reach out. Don't hold all the cards, like, to myself and put myself out there. And every time that I put myself out there, I've been rewarded. So that's something to, you know, think of if anyone's listening and they want to to be a part of TV. Out of all the girls on the show, why do you think you were the one that kind of was the frontrunner and really took the brand to the next level? Because I remember when we were watching it in high school, you were the one that was the most talked about. Oh, do you know what

Starting point is 00:19:57 I love? I mean, I know you were mentioning in high school. I love that a lot of people who were in high schools. I did get to go and like speak at different high schools. Funny story about that from last week. But I love that people would use my book or something from the show and then they would like put it on like a poster board and they would do like a project about it. Maybe it was like pick a person and like talk about them. And I still have one saved on the cover of my computer on my screen because it just really encourages me to keep sharing my story. So thank you for bringing that up. And then I was doing a political podcast like last week in Mar-a-Lago. and their head events coordinator came in and she was like, do you remember me? You came and spoke at my high school.

Starting point is 00:20:46 I was like, girl, I probably don't. I've been through so much. And I'm sure the high school was just checking off a mark to act like they talked about sex ed or something. And she was like, yeah, that's what it was. But I love those full circle moments because even though I was going through a lot, a lot of stuff, I persevered through it. And I at least was trying to be sociable. So I love hearing about high school. school. Okay, what was the question? About why you think or why would you say that you were the frontrunner out of those groups of individuals on the show? I like that you were saying like you took the brand to the next level. Well, I mean, out of the rest of them, I don't know really where they are today. I know everyone still talks about you, but not necessarily the others. Yeah. I think there's only one way of that. And that is I pushed everything. When executives told me no, I didn't care.

Starting point is 00:21:41 When they tried to lie to me or manipulate me, I didn't care. So I think because I've been adapting my book that I wrote when I was working with them, the girl who I was who took this brand to the next level of, like, 16-pran-19 mom, like my heart, like, I speak of myself in, like, such different ways because I've just changed so many times over the years. The woman who I've been reading about, rereading about, like, it's like my best friend, and I wrote it. But that girl was fearless. And over the course of my life, you know, crime happens. People attack you. Really scary things happen. And I kind of lost like that fearlessness. And then I went to a trauma center and then gained back my

Starting point is 00:22:39 fearlessness and popped out crazy for 2025. And I'm happy to be where I'm at. But rereading that book, my teenage dream ended over and over again. When I was reading some of the, I was like, oh my God, I seriously put this in a book and everyone who I worked with could read what I thought about them. And that's crazy. And I think like that's the reality of it is production is not friends. production is work. Like I have you in my house. We're filming and then compartmentalized filming and work and then I have to like talk about our day and then we're just hanging out. And I think maybe because I, I don't know, envisioned myself growing up and being away from my family, I also just kind of envision myself growing out of the production team that I worked in.

Starting point is 00:23:40 and going and doing it better somehow. And now I do. So I think that's what takes 16 and pregnant and teen mom to the next level full speed. I wasn't worried about being best friends. I wanted the best for everyone. And I got the best for everyone. Even if they hated me, sabotaged me, made me out to be a bad person, I just looked at the bigger picture. and I think it really made me sad to see adults again in my life hurting younger people.

Starting point is 00:24:17 And that happens to be the teen moms in that situation. If there was anything you could do differently while filming that show, what would it be? I wouldn't have men around teen moms. I would not have older males who don't believe in uplifting women in teen mom. and I think after I was fired, I very much made that case loud and clear. And to the point of, if you don't want to support me but you want to take, take, take from me, you shouldn't be doing what you're doing. And I know what you're doing.

Starting point is 00:24:55 And they ended up actually giving me the trauma program. And I think that literally changed some of their lives so that they need to give back to the other women and I see it. And they've invited me to things. and I think now they know to invest in what they take from. And like, it's just really sad where some of my cast members have just ended up. Sad to me. Maybe not to them. Maybe they're just living Lovita Loca in Las Land.

Starting point is 00:25:22 But I know what life really is. And many of us don't jail ourselves. Like, it felt like I was in jail doing that show. Many of us don't release ourselves to go live a free life and they stay there. And that's sadly where some of them are. do you think that there came out you described it like being in jail do you think there came at a certain point where you couldn't walk away from it even if you wanted to hmm could i walk away with it even if i wanted to well i used to not know how to balance things i think like this is how

Starting point is 00:26:00 i'd answer that i learned a lot about identity work when i went to the trauma center and that was the pivotal point of my life when i was in 16 and pregnant and in teen mom, teen mom ogee, team mom reunions, a million shows, million shows just going and going. My identity was so stuck to teen mom. I was so confused. And a lot of people just don't break it down. Like we have egos. We have self-deception. You get all wrapped in like your identity sticking to everything that people talk to you about. And you stop like not really directing yourself. So at that time, 20s, my entire 20s, my entire teens, my identity was in that. And it felt like I can't walk away from something that your identity is attached to.

Starting point is 00:26:51 And many people might do that to say, like, I'm an alcoholic or something. Like, they attach their identity to something. Like, I'm a teen mom. I attached my identity to something. And when I turned 30 and I was in the trauma center, I realized take everything, off your identity. I owe nothing to anyone. Like, I was a teen mom before teen mom was a show. And so I guess, like, my psychiatrist really got me situated in my brain to understand, like, I'm the driving force behind this and how do I want to be? And then I just pull away.

Starting point is 00:27:29 Like, I was totally fine getting fired at times. I was totally fun moving on with my life at times. And I just keep, I keep doing deals and developments without them now. And something crazy this year. I don't want to talk too much about what's really going on right now because there's some amazing projects that are coming up. But it's really crazy to think that the bosses who fired you now come to you to try to work with you and have jobs from you. And that's your life full circle. This has been a very full circle year. Like, 16 and pregnant. My daughter is now 16.

Starting point is 00:28:10 Turned out 100 times better than myself. God bless her. She had a different environment. And now my boss is just like want to work with me. It's crazy. But that means you made a world of difference and you totally flip the script and you get to the other side of life and you won. So I'm very grateful to be where I'm at.

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Starting point is 00:31:01 during teen mom, 16 and pregnant, all of those shows during that time period, your teenage years. Jeez, I don't know. I hear so many things to my face every day. Like when I'm out, when I'm out, I mean, I don't know. When I landed here, guys were like yelling at the airport, like, you're way prettier in person. And the ladies usually say the same thing. I'm like, so TV really makes me look ugly. I think I will say this. When I, if I'm on an airplane or if I'm out and someone's doing something wrong and if I like nicely interject myself or stand up for myself, instantly people know it's me. And they definitely know my voice and they definitely are like, you're faira because I definitely will like step up. I will step up and be the leader.

Starting point is 00:31:53 I will step up and talk. And some people just don't do that in their lives. So I think that's like a mark of, oh, my gosh, that's fair. And I know that you speak up. And I know you argue with people and like all this stuff. That's crazy. I just didn't really like have like communication skills when I was on the show early on. So it's sometimes hard to watch.

Starting point is 00:32:18 You're also very friendly and personable. Like you came in here. You're a big ball energy. Oh, thanks. You wanted to make TikToks. you know, look around do things like that. I'm having fun. Yeah. You don't really get that from a lot of, I would say, like, reality TV type people. So it's interesting to see that side of you in perspective. That's something I wouldn't, watching the show would have taken you or like in person, you know. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of people are really surprised when they meet me. I don't know. Why did you get fired from teen mom? I got fired. Look, it's not going to be the same answer that you would probably give back to me. I got fired for political reasons. And a lot of people are uncomfortable talking about politics. But full circle here, fair is on top. And I got to say, I had a lot of my male friends this year, especially when Charlie Kirk died. Sorry, shout out to that whole situation. That's awful. But I happened to be in a new studio when that occurred, by the way. So it wasn't like me even trying to talk about politics or trying to be involved in that. But that was shocking to me because I was actually looking forward to like working with them. And then that happened.

Starting point is 00:33:27 My guy friend sent me like a screen grab of one of my producers who did fire me the last time. And it was like a whole list of people like he didn't want to live anymore, all this stuff. And I just had to post that on the internet. And I was just like everybody always thought I was fired because of adult entertainment and all the sensationalism. But it was never that. and I think for anyone to be so gullible to not understand politics get people fired, then I don't know what else to say. You can be puppeteered by older adults who hate people, but I definitely was in that case.

Starting point is 00:34:11 And he couldn't affect me anymore. He couldn't control me. He couldn't lie to me. I had three brick and mortar businesses, full-blown, huge businesses. I was traveling and doing two other shows in different countries. and doing teen mom. And yes, me being a sex symbol, unbeknownst to myself because of a sex tape. Shout out to A&E's Secrets of Celebrity Sex Taves this month that's out with me.

Starting point is 00:34:38 Love that show. That was an amazing show. Everyone should watch that. Like, I just have to say, like, it was political hatred that got me fired. And there's no other way that I could answer that. if I had a lie detector test and a gun to my head, I'd say it was a political firing. Like, that's all I can describe that as. And fake scenes with teen moms that we see today who didn't make anything of themselves

Starting point is 00:35:04 being like, oh, I don't want her on this show because of what she's done. It's like, well, then why does everybody else have only fans and they're still on the shell? I don't know. Do you think the sex tape changed your life for the better when that came out? Like, it brought you to a new level of fame. Yeah. Did you happen to watch Annie's Secrets of Celebrity Sex Taves for a chance? You don't have to. Okay, so I did. I just, I want to just say like what I learned actually. I learned a lot about myself from watching that. Everybody had like their own episode, by the way. So I didn't know there was like, oh gosh, I'm going to butcher some names, but there was a lot of other actors who are even on like hosting TV shows today, game shows. and they had sex tapes and I had no idea.

Starting point is 00:35:56 Like, I had no idea that all of these people had sex tapes that were public or some, some drama because of their fame. I learned that they were very kind of, some of them were very similar to me and like, I need to stop who I'm hanging out with. I want to redirect my life. I need to figure out how to live life. I need to figure out how to balance my life with, like, fame. And I think that is what I needed. I think, like, honestly, secrets of celebrity sex tapes was, like, healing for me. I talked about my mental health, everything that I transitioned through.

Starting point is 00:36:31 So I do believe that I guess everything happened for a reason because it really helped me become a better me and protect myself. But I also learned, like, I should share this with other people and people, other people should, like, have people sign NDAs. other people should protect their sex lives and should protect like their intimate relationships. Otherwise, you end up having so many crazy people doing crazy things to you that I would never want to see anyone else go through. So, yeah, like the sex tape did what it did. It's the largest, like it's well known. I can't hide anything.

Starting point is 00:37:08 It's the most sold sex tape of all time. Like, it's the biggest and the best one. I can't do anything about it. and I didn't try. So it wasn't planned when it came out? How did you feel when you found out that it came out? When people ask me that, I'm like laughing. I probably shouldn't laugh about this right now, guys. I had, like, I don't know if you realize this, but I had a chin implant in my chin during that sex tape thing, and I was super insecure, very depressed on antidepressants, like suicidal. That was probably like the last thing that I needed.

Starting point is 00:37:46 in my life. And I was like hiding my face because I was so embarrassed at my face then. So I'm sorry. Like nobody was planning that. No, I had face dysmorphia. It's not funny, but it is funny now talking about it. So when people ask me like, oh, did you plan that? Like, did I plan showing my huge ass chin to the world? No. Like, did I plan on being depressed and feeling like really unloved and like insecure as shit and showing that to be able? No. No. I didn't. I was like, I watched that in like, um, sex trauma therapy with like one of my therapists. And it literally just makes me sad for myself when I watch it back. And I understand like other people have like their own weird things and relationships and couples. Always bring that up to me.

Starting point is 00:38:37 But I just look at that as like, whoa, that's a sign that I need help. And I did. I got baptized right after that. How'd your mom react to it? Because I know you guys already had a tough relationship from the show, at least what was on camera. Yeah. She, like, I don't know, she's just, like, handle it. You got to take care of yourself. That's it. Um, my dad was like, if you need me to come with you while you're dealing with stuff and help you, I will be there. And he was. Um, I don't know. I also dealt, I mean, like, how they dealt with the sex tape is like, whatever. I, I don't know. It's kind of telling. To me, it's like telling also, like, when criminal stuff happens to you, like if you're severely assaulted like I've been, and then I have to eventually

Starting point is 00:39:21 tell my parents and how they act, it's, you can tell, like, the level of narcissism that you were raised around was unhealthy for you. And then you can also tell, like, some people who don't step up and turn in criminal activity, they just, they don't know what to do when somebody else stands up to criminal activity. So I think I'm just very, like, opposite of my parents because, I don't know, Maybe it's my ADHD. I just really believe in justice. Do you think you still would have went down the path of only fans and all that if that sex tape never came out? No, but you know, it's like once your nudity is out there, it changes the laws.

Starting point is 00:39:57 You know, you can't put the genie back in the bottle and you have to very much take care of like your rights, your will, your consent, consent laws. And I'm so grateful that I just kind of have just kept talking about that over time because people are like, allowing so much nudity online that I was like, well, if it was such a problem, such a crime, such an issue, if people didn't want this, then we wouldn't be seeing nudity online. But somebody's allowing it. Somebody's liking it, and it is out of hand. And then now we just started having lots of laws that would, you know, even in searches, just block stuff out.

Starting point is 00:40:40 So I'm appreciative of how everything has kind of escalated along. But if I didn't have all of those sex tape issues, then I probably would never have felt the fierce sense to regain control over my sex life, my consent, like for my body. And I think like you have to have that kind of in this day and age where like people can just laxidazily just like look over your consent. But that's like law number one. If you could take that sex tape back from ever being released, would you? I don't live my life in regrets, so no. What happens after? I mean, I'm like, it's like, could I also take back like my daughter's father dying?

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Starting point is 00:43:11 I know you said you had other businesses. Was business affected by it? Did new opportunities come up? I mean, people were just so in sensationalism of sex that, like, I was just like, Jesus. Our world really is just focused on sensationalism of sex. Like, I mean, look, I was booking clubs and I was booking expos and I was booking speaking things. I think I just again had a drive anyways to like monetize and make money out of me showing up. And I don't know.

Starting point is 00:43:54 I was part of comedy specials, different shows. I mean, I think just things came about. I mean, no one's going to say no to someone who just like has hard money facts. And they're like, damn, I want some of that money too. So, I mean, I get it. What was it like from a parent's perspective? How old was your daughter at the time? Huh, I think she was like five, four.

Starting point is 00:44:22 I don't know. I think kids love money. I mean, that's all I know. Like, she's not around me when I'm having like a mental breakdown, you know? I don't think anyone wants her children around them when they're having suicidal thoughts and mental breakdowns. And they need to feel like a sense of relief. And they handle that in very horrible ways for their self-value and worth and their esteem. So, yeah, my child was never around like when I was having like just mental breakdowns.

Starting point is 00:44:55 But when I got my shit together, got myself together, I definitely, you know, here's a whole thing. Here's a whole stack of cash and kids love cash. Like kids love money just like everybody else does. It's not just strippers who love money. everybody loves money even kids who have no concept of money were you ever worried about her getting bullied or picked on when because of the sex tape and everything that came after no i think if i made it through a public school public high school i mean what's really going to what's really going to bully me depressed me after that i mean honest like everybody knows like they're like

Starting point is 00:45:37 oh what do you think of all these negative things that people say about you or even in person And I just had like one, I don't know, when I was at the Avians and I won an award and like all of the porn stars that year just kind of like booed me for winning. And I actually just like blacked it out. I actually didn't even care, but I mixed alcohol and antidepressants that day. I have to say I really do not care. And it's not because I'm narcissistic. It's not because of anything like that.

Starting point is 00:46:09 I do not care about random things on the internet. I do not care about random people in an audience. I really, really, really, though, need to care about what's going on with me. And I think, like, my psychiatrist has just always been like that. Like, who do you spend the most time with yourself? And I think that just plays a part into, like, what are these people saying about me? Like, they don't pay my bills. They don't know the court things that I'm going through. They don't fight my battle. so I don't know. Is it really bullying or is it just like people who are confused and unhappy and they don't know what they're doing still, you know? What about your daughter?

Starting point is 00:46:48 Do you feel like people bully her because of you? They probably have definitely bullied her because of me, but like they bullied her over her eyebrows before I did anything, you know? I think like they're, I don't know why, but people like really hate on children and that is disturbing in so many levels to me. Again, like after I had my child, they just felt like I saw the world in a much different way. So I always, like, innately, I'm just like, I know that I need to protect her because people, like, hate children. And that is sad. That is really sad to see. But you know what?

Starting point is 00:47:26 These people probably grew up and were just tortured as children. And then they just have to transfer the trauma. But I just don't believe, like, allowing my child to even be affected by that. During those peak teen mom and 16 pregnant years, did you ever struggle with alcohol or drugs at all? I sure did. I'm sure with the most of them. What kind of drugs and alcohol? You're like, oh, would you like to jog my memory? I think, I don't know. I've definitely had people roofing my drinks, and that's a bad, bad thing.

Starting point is 00:48:04 I think more people need to go to jail for that. Um, like coax around. I feel like that's the bigger one for myself. Um, I just, I like, I just never believed in black market, off market stuff. I'm like, we live in a world with doctors. I can just go call for something. Um, so I don't really just, I don't trust like random things. Um, I don't know. I'm just kind of like my own prescribed medication. and alcohol. Were you drinking under 21? Oh, for sure. Oh, my God. This is why I hated being on the show. I was a queen.

Starting point is 00:48:48 I was a queen of fake IDs. And I couldn't have any more fake IDs after 16 because of the show. And it was just like, these people suck. But I had so much fun. Do you feel like the networks and the TV producers kind of let a lot of things slide because you were a star of the show? No. No one was ever easy on me or ever really nice to me.

Starting point is 00:49:13 So I don't, I think that's confused because I think like a lot of people are like, oh, that person's a star of this cast. There is so much hatred that comes with that and so much more hard work that comes with that, like, people are not nice to you. And it's just a sad industry. Like people, the majority of people in entertainment, they want. fame. It's something they chase rather than attracting it. And when you're just like living it and you're doing better than them, they they hate it by every means. Like the whole production

Starting point is 00:49:53 staff would be against me and, you know, trying to help this boring other talent to be something more so that they're likable and work on their marketing scheme and all this other stuff. And I just, I I kept seeing that and seeing that and seeing that. And I was just like, wow, it would be nice over here to have that help. And then when I realized they started paying other people more than me, it's like, wow, that's how they feel about me. So, yeah, there's a lot of, there's a lot of hard things that come with being, I guess, like the best talent out of a cast.

Starting point is 00:50:33 And then, yeah, one day you just strike a nerve. and I'm like, you're going to pay me double, and I'm not showing up until it's this. And so then you kind of see me get demandy because I actually know, like, all the backhanded stuff that was done to me. Do you think those shows at the time promoted getting pregnant that young? I don't ever think any show that's showing all these pregnant people all over the world are promoting pregnancy. Because it seems like at that time it created fame.

Starting point is 00:51:02 Like, you look at Jersey Shore, people were excited by that and wanted to become. that. So I was wondering if, you know, that kind of had the same effect with maybe some of the young girls you met that kind of maybe idolized you at that age. I mean, that's also like people say, I see school shooters on the news and they have fame and they're talked about, I want to go be a school shooter, so I'm going to go shoot up a school. That's true. Are we glamorizing school shooters? No. I'm just saying, I never said that I'm glamorizing teen pregnancy. I never said people need to go out and become pregnant. I think what I have said is there needs to be more support and inclusion for contraception for all. I think I've said more support towards early and unplanned pregnancies

Starting point is 00:51:49 because there's no end to them. I think I've said that. So I'm sorry, like if you have like the top TV show, if you're like the number one on the wish list for all news stations, it's because people want more from you and there's nothing wrong with being on covers of magazines. There's nothing wrong with going on radio tours. There is nothing wrong with that. And honestly, I'm sorry, if anyone just says, like, I'm glamorizing teen pregnancy to any sort, which was a lot of celebrities, actually. And they were just all jealous because they wanted to be more famous.

Starting point is 00:52:31 Their marketing tactics were failing at the time. you weren't paying for marketing or tactics, they do. And some of them have worked very, very hard at, like, all these marketing schemes to, I don't know, have this fame attribution that they, like, live for. So that's really what a lot of that hatred and, like, glamorizing pregnancy stuff came from back in the day. Tell us about your arrest that made headlines when that happened. Which one? The first one. The very first one that kind of blew up on the internet. I think that was, I think a lot of people go through this actually in their 20s.

Starting point is 00:53:10 I was actually trying to help my sister and we were out downtown. And I just went to go move my car to go pick up my sister from the bar. And yes, there was a whole stream of cops there. I didn't think I was doing anything wrong. But they claimed that I was drinking and driving and I wasn't. So I actually just put my key in the ignition. I wasn't even driving yet. And I got, they said that they were going to take me to jail.

Starting point is 00:53:42 Like so I, like, that's my first time of like, I had to go sit in a jail. And I basically was like really rude and crazy because I was like, I wasn't driving. I put my key in the ignition and I was parked, didn't even move yet. And then he's like, I'm giving you a DUI. And I was like, okay, let me blow your blowy thing. And there's no alcohol in my system. And I've got to go and I'm sick. And I'm not staying in here all night.

Starting point is 00:54:14 So it's not happening. And that's just really like, I was like crazy. And he's like, okay, I'll let you go. But I'm impounding the car. And you're going to have to pick up your keys in the morning. So like it was just such drama. And then I was calling my sister. She didn't care. Then she lied to my family. And I think like that's when I stopped hanging out with my sister. That was the first time with like jail fines screwed upness. And I had to have a breathalyzer thing on my car for like three months after that. Like they were just, it was a lot of drama.

Starting point is 00:54:49 Didn't you blow into the to the blower though? Yeah. And did you, was it positive or negative? Oh, no, it was negative. Everything was negative. So then how'd they still put the interlock in? Oh, I have no idea. I mean, they just. it to your car and you have to have it for however long. I mean, like, I got a lawyer involved in everything. It was just like the stupidest thing I've ever seen. Honestly, a lot of stupid stuff happens when, like, people recognize you. Cops definitely recognize me. Security guards do. Security guards love to scam. They like to show up to work and then, like, attack me and then sue me. That's, so now I just stop going out to dinners or anything like a club. I just stay away from it.

Starting point is 00:55:27 Are you referring to that incident you had at the nightclub that you got arrested for? Which one? The one that made the news. I think there was just one that made the news with the two bouncers or something. And they said you assaulted them. Well, yeah, that was the latest one. And then there was another security guard at a hotel who tried to do the same thing. And, yeah, again, they would hold me in jail and try to find something on me.

Starting point is 00:55:54 And there was never anything on me. And I've never been guilty of what they're saying. And it's almost, yeah, it's almost like self-defense doesn't exist anymore, sadly. And everybody who wants to scam, show up to work and, like, attack public figures of any kind, they get away with it. It's like, we need to stop letting criminal activity get away with that. I don't know. It's been crazy lately. Why do you think that these security guards are scamming you?

Starting point is 00:56:22 Like, what's the scam? How do they do it? Okay. I'm a security guard. I'm going to go apply for a job. I'm going to go work. And I know it's my job to break up fights. But if I harass someone enough and I'm not securing anything and someone acts out because I'm around drunk people, I'm going to sue them.

Starting point is 00:56:44 I'm going to call the cops. I'm going to sue them. That's the scam. They show up to work to full on do that. And that's what happened. Having to Cardi B. It's happened to be multiple times. Cardi B. Just won that lawsuit, I think, right?

Starting point is 00:57:00 I've also won mine. So what was the situation with years? Well, I was actually, like, kidnapped. So the guy handcuffed itself to me, and I couldn't get away. The security guard did. And I was literally yelling at the top of my fucking lungs. Yeah, with my face in the ground during COVID. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:57:23 And where did he bring you when he handcuffed you? No, he, like, pushed me into the ground on a public side of, walk. So I actually was getting away from them. So I had been trying to leave this restaurant where I had dinner at. I was with two other people. The one other person that I was with, she was a female. She got severely hit in the back of her head. And I basically was the only, I was like, stop looking at me, stop attacking me. This is the problem. She's been standing by my property. She will not leave. and like I kind of just, I do not like, did someone bully me? No, not even at a bar. And I, like, stood up for myself. And then the person I was with, like, turned and said, stop, we need to leave was kind of almost blaming me. When she did that, the other girl, like, severely, severely impacted the back of her head. And then they let the security guard who sued me and the other one who harassed me. they let the the criminal go who like really hit someone really battered someone and then I was just like

Starting point is 00:58:34 leave me alone stay away from me they took my purse and my phone and I said give me my stuff and I'm out just trying to leave they refused to give it to me there was like again like 20 people on me and they just they just start acting hostile and so then I started trying to get my space And it was, it's on the cameras like multiple times. I'm like, get away from me. I don't feel safe. Stop touching me. And this one black female security guard just kept chasing me around and harassing me.

Starting point is 00:59:08 And I ran into a pole. I felt completely blocked and like caved in. And so I just, yeah, I lost my shit. Like I was like, get the, yeah, I like went, I went fucking crazy in self-defense. And then, oh, yeah. Yeah, so you're like, how did they handcuff you and how are you on the sidewalk? So from that point of when I felt like completely, like completely chased, stuck into a pole and like get away from me and like acting crazy now. I had to reach in a whole pile of the security guards to get.

Starting point is 00:59:46 And it's like I love the camera footage. Actually, I'm like writing about it in a book right now. And I reach in between all of them and you just see me like on camera. I'm like, I got my stuff out of all your guys's hands. And then I'm like, okay, take me downstairs. I need to leave. And then they were still reluctant. They were still fucking handsy and crazy with me.

Starting point is 01:00:06 And I was just, I told the other two in my party, I'm like, I'm going to meet you outside. I cannot, like, these people are crazy. I cannot do this anymore. So I stayed at one side of the elevator. They stay on their side. Everything's Gucci. Like, they know, like, what they did was wrong.

Starting point is 01:00:24 they gave me my space and I thought I could go wait outside and wait for my friend after she calls the police and does what she needs to deal with because of her head. I'm over there. I wait completely off property just standing by. The other guy in my party is standing with me and then all of a sudden he's like, we need to run. We need to run. And I was like, I cannot leave the girl who I brought here. And so they took that opportunity by me being off property and he cuffed itself to me and then pushed me on the ground and like literally hurt my shoulder cuffs so hard like yanking that thing back. I mean, I couldn't feel my arm for like I don't know if it was like two months. I had to do physical therapy. I literally almost thought like I broke a bone or broke the cuff or whatever it was.

Starting point is 01:01:18 And I had just bruises and scratches all over me. like, you know, I didn't even know the guy's name, which is a crazy thing. And I just went on to, like, black out the whole experience. But because I have these amazing fans and the gift of TV, a lady saw that all over the news. And she turned that guy in. She gave me his ID. She gave me everything. Said he was a woman abuser, had multiple charges.

Starting point is 01:01:47 He illegally had handcuffs. My security, my personal security. checked him out, looked at all of his background, did everything for me. And he actually ran from my lawyer for three years. So, like, I just started charging him. What do you think his goal was that night? I don't, you know, I don't know women abusers' goals, but they're, like, some of the weakest people I've ever witnessed. And I think, like, if you have to be a man and hurt women, you need to go take some time for yourself, that's for sure, and just admit your wrongs. Like, and I'd say the same for a woman.

Starting point is 01:02:28 If a woman is, you know, hating on men and you're a man hater, like, you need to go take some time away from people. I highly wouldn't advise taking a security job to scam people and to hurt people, though. Like, and I think, like, that's where we need to be true with ourselves here. Do you want the job and do a good job? or are you doing it for other reasons because you hate people? And I think like where we are in society of 2025, it's like, do you like humankind or do you just like not like humans? And I have to say like that because what are we doing here, people? And I just want nothing to do with it.

Starting point is 01:03:10 And that's why I guess I love life. I'm living life. And I like humans and I like children. and I like making the economy go around. So like I'm cool with anything. I could play any job position. I could do anything. But also when I need to recharge my people battery,

Starting point is 01:03:29 I just, you know, revert to writing and staying at home. When you had incidents like this and you had arrest, do you think it hurt your businesses and your public figure? Or do you think it helped? Honestly, every time I've been attacked, it's actually been of help. Yeah. So when I've gone to like the MTV Awards the next day, just the carpet went crazy.

Starting point is 01:03:55 If I got out of the jail, whatever, you know, like my bosses were calling me and then like, let me get you to a trauma center. Like I've just, I don't know. I think like all these people trying to like hurt someone has just benefited me. I think like that's a beauty of life. Like if you can just take any bad situation and go higher from it, like you're winning. So I don't really, you know, I don't want to egg anyone on here to attack me. But I'm pretty like proofed of any BS now.

Starting point is 01:04:29 Like I literally will not put myself in any bad situations at any time anymore. Like I will never be someone doing woman ever again. I will never just go out to a dinner with random people. Like I just don't do those things anymore. How did these trauma centers work? Is it like a rehab? Is it an inpatient? You know, some people go there for rehabilitation.

Starting point is 01:04:47 and like, I guess that's total rehabilitation. Like some people, like I saw came there and, like, couldn't walk. And then by the end of me and my graduation, they were walking, running. I was like, God bless. I guess they were, like, found dead from doing, like, drugs and then, like, lived. So, yeah. But I do have to say, like, whether you did a crime or didn't do a crime and, like, you're around all sorts of different people there.

Starting point is 01:05:16 and whether you're homeless or like you're wealthy. The common thing is at a trauma center is you're trying to overcome every fear that got you to where you are. And if you do that and you get close to your higher power, you are, you will be fearless. You will be your stronger self. And you will go out and you will like change the world once you're out. unfortunately a lot of the men who I was there with wanted to continue being homeless doing crime uh wasting my time with their egos and a lot of the girls too they just felt like they were the lowest low in society and they really had a hard time getting back up and even though it was

Starting point is 01:06:07 like their 20th center and their parents kept buying it for them I'm just more into the mindset of I am so grateful that one of my bosses made a will and away for this. And I sacrificed a lot to go in there. And I was going to make those 28 days count. And if anything or anyone got in the way of that, I removed them. And I literally used the 12-step principles. Like, honestly, if that could be a TV show, that should have been a TV show. And I was like, oh, my God, do they use 12-step?

Starting point is 01:06:40 28-day centers as like the guide of how they do all these like house reality TV shows. And I think they do. But it's like how do you make it out alive of this center that's filled with everybody like trying to recover? And then like you have no phone. You have no lawyer. You have no family. You have no phone a friend. and you're like, do these 12 principles work?

Starting point is 01:07:12 Because I'm going to work them. And if I make it out better here, like, it's good. And I just had everyone testing me in every possible way. And I just kept it simple. And some of the people who work there how to get removed. Some of the patients who were wasting time had to get removed. And I really overcame my trigger points. I came out strong as strong as ever.

Starting point is 01:07:39 And I think like that's, I don't know, there's so many ways of challenging yourself in life. So I highly recommend if you ever get the opportunity, it's such a gift to go to a 28-day trauma center. And it could be based in 12 steps and it could be based in Christianity or it could not. But I have to say if you take away your higher power, which should be God, if you take away that, that what I saw was that some grown men were still suicidal. They were very envious of my happiness, and they wanted what I had. And I'm just saying, this is what I have. And if you want it, you can have it, but it's within yourself.

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Starting point is 01:09:20 Actual mileage and range may vary. Outside of them for everything that they need within them. Tell us about your most recent arrest with the nightclub security. How I dodged all my mugshots. Yeah, that's still perplexing to me. You've got to be the only well-known person that's never had their mug shots blown out. Yeah. Like they're trying to get me. No, that's a plus. But I have no fear. Farah Abraham's here.

Starting point is 01:09:50 What was my, you said my least in? The most recent arrest. I'm like, I need some more energy drink. The nightclub incident. So that was a restaurant. That was like the bar. I think, so it's called Grandmaster Recorder's. Some people were like, you were at the recording studio. You were at the nice cup.

Starting point is 01:10:12 I was down from my penthouse. I walked right down there and went to dinner. And then I actually felt like I was being set up because they were like bringing me special, special dry martinis. And like even the guy and the girl who I was with at this dinner, and they were industry colleagues, they're like, why are you getting special drinks? Like everyone was very suspect. And then they're like, you need to go upstairs and see our brand new bar. Like, you need to. It's like, could we say no?

Starting point is 01:10:45 And so we all go up there. And I was just like, okay, I'm going to go to the bathroom and you guys see this. And then I came back. It's like some crazy lady was positioned in between my two friends and blocking my property. And it just popped off. Like, it was crazy. I mean, honestly, it's like nothing. It's like people make, people blow things into like next year with me around.

Starting point is 01:11:09 Like, I see it all the time. So you fought this girl yourself too? No, I didn't, I didn't even have to fight her. She did hit the person who I was with very, very hard, man. I do feel bad. But you have to stand up for yourself. Never turn your back to someone. But how did that lead to you getting arrested that night?

Starting point is 01:11:29 I know. Yeah. They get the wrong girl? No. I mean, they were all trying to, they all wanted to get handsy with Ferry Abraham. That's really all I say. And that's really what my attorney says. Like, I had multiple attorneys. I had a criminal attorney.

Starting point is 01:11:45 I had a personal injury attorney. I had the prosecutor of like, what is it? The city of the state try to get me. And like, it was like a hand show. It was just like everybody needed to have their freaking hands all over me. And like, that's what was so disturbing, to be honest with you. and even like that guy who like put his cuffs on me and cuffed me to him it was just like his fucking hands were everywhere it was just like they're disgusting i'm sorry like i get so disgusted

Starting point is 01:12:13 by all this shit that i've gone through so when the cops come don't you try to explain that it wasn't your fault when when the cops come by the way i had no way of getting out of the situation that i found myself in and i just knew i needed to just so you know like i knew because I was being recorded and I knew that I needed to keep moving and show that I do not consent to what is going on. Never give up people. Um, and so you see me like, I keep, I keep moving. I keep moving. And I just was like, freaking don't have my miss. I don't, I can't do my self-defense that I know. I'm like, and I'm just like, too, I'm going to just talk to God. And honestly, then I got relief. Cops there in two.

Starting point is 01:13:03 seconds, the ladies just like, stop, touch her, get these cups off. She's like, I'm going to get you in a car so you're safe. I say, like, where my stuff is. She goes and she's like hunting for all my stuff. She's like, I can't find your earrings or probably like in the ground somewhere. And like, I was just so grateful for the cops. And then like the male was like, the male cop was just like, okay, what happened? Like I was crying. Just so you know, I was crying because I could feel how damaged my shoulder was. And then after after me like trying to tell him like what

Starting point is 01:13:38 happened to my arm and the cuffs and all this craziness, he's just like, okay, I need to know the races. What are the races of these people? And then he's like, is this racially charged? Like, who are you? And then he's like, okay, so like maybe this fed into it. I mean, it's a lot

Starting point is 01:13:58 being a cop and showing up to like a freak show basically. It's like Why did this even happen? Because people are crazy on the job, which I actually have to say, thank you for being crazy on the job. To all the security guards out there, thank you for being crazy on the job. Because then I get to go through the insurance, your security company, and who you were working for the restaurant.

Starting point is 01:14:19 And I get a payday. So thank you. So the cops took you to jail that night or gave you a ticket? So, yeah, she was like basically because they call the cops on you, like, that whole thing. You know, it's always you're guilty until proven innocent. that's a problem with our society. You could have the criminal do all the bad stuff to you, call the cops and you gaslight you, lie about everything that happened, highest form of abuse in our society that we allow.

Starting point is 01:14:47 And then you have to go to jail. So, I mean, it's not like I could get my hand uncuffed and call the police for myself. But also, I love the camera footage of everybody else turning this into TMZ. because I see my own people who I came with. The guy just runs away. Doesn't help me. He could have, like, seriously saved me. And then the other girl, just recording.

Starting point is 01:15:13 So it's like, wow, do I need extras as friends in my life? Do I need stand-ins? No, I don't need any of these people anymore. So I don't do it anymore. Did I miss that? Yeah, whether you went to jail or not. Oh, I did go to the jail. She just checked me in.

Starting point is 01:15:30 So they put you in handcuffs, removed you from the restaurant? I don't even think she put me in handcuffs in the car. She just put you in the back of the car. It's like she saved me. And then I just walked in with her. She's just like, I can't find all the stuff of yours. She's like, I have to run the background check. And she's like, I'm going to take you home.

Starting point is 01:15:47 And she's like, you're good. There's nothing on your record. You're fine. And then I just called the cops again. I actually got back home to my penthouse. And I was so distraught. I was so upset about what happened to me. I just called the cops again and the same cops showed up.

Starting point is 01:16:04 And I was like, no, I'm not going to have this happen to other people. I'm going to make my own report. And so then she added it to the report. But they knew I was upset. Wait, so you never got charged that night, but then they slandered you all over the news saying, that's crazy. Yeah. This, okay. Like, I can't, I can't even get enough of this.

Starting point is 01:16:21 Like when someone says I, like, gave them a black eye and none of the camera footage, it shows me touching nobody's eye. It's insane. And also she claimed all this stuff about her eye. We had to have her go to an eye doctor. And the eye doctor even said none of this, none of this happened on that incident. She had like some other car accident and it impacted her eye. Like she was a complete psychopath. So what do you do about the articles?

Starting point is 01:16:51 Can you do anything? Or do they just stay up there? No. And I also just say to like their attorneys and anybody else who tries to like represent me and not stand up for what's right. I'm just like the damage has already been caused. And if you do not leave me alone, I will totally go after you. But it's like rubbing two quarters together. I'm not going to get anything from anyone who doesn't have a job and needs me basically for money.

Starting point is 01:17:19 So, so pardon me. So yeah, that's why I always say thank you to these mental crisis security guards. because now I've realized from them trying to sue me how to actually sue who is negligent for training and hiring purposes, which is their place of employment, their security company, their restaurant, and their insurance. So if anyone out there is listening to this, I think you just need to take the bad with the good and it will all work out. What do you think is the weirdest thing of fans ever done to you?

Starting point is 01:17:54 I don't know. I love my fans. I love my supporters. I don't really call them fans. Well, maybe not a fan, then maybe like a fan. then maybe like a follower or someone that's creepy? What's creepy anymore? I think the creepy creepers are my haters.

Starting point is 01:18:10 I mean, I don't know if they're fans, but... All right, so what's the worst thing of haters ever done? I'm like, the creepiest creep creep is the haters. I mean, the supporters are like everywhere where I need them to be insupportive. Like, if I cross the border the wrong way, they're right there to get me bad. Like, it's so crazy where I've been around the world. and it's like, oh my God, Farah, like, I'll be in the Maldives. They know me.

Starting point is 01:18:31 I'll be in Fiji. What's up? I really appreciate supportive people. And honestly, from seeing this as someone who's been on TV, I really hope that others can support other people who are not on TV as much as you support people who you see on TV because that is community. That is goodness. That is the kind of stuff we need in the world. And I love that.

Starting point is 01:18:49 That's like the gift of what I did get out of TV. The craziest weirdest things that I've seen of haters. I mean, I don't know if this is going to be crazy for me to say this. Janelle Evans on teen mom like two or three or four or 100, Janelle Evans is also on TV. And she is literally has been a hater of me since day one. And I've tried to befriend her at times. And I think like the craziest thing about haters, it's almost like, white girl interrupted. I don't know if anyone's watched that show. It's like this girl, like,

Starting point is 01:19:31 it's just like some weird trippy girl stuff. But I think like if you want to emulate someone so much, but like first hate them and then like befriend them and then try to like change me to manipulate me, I think that is like the freakiest thing about a hater. Like and even if it's not like a hater for my like cast and TV shows and someone else who's famous. Like I've also had like haters come into my stores and like act like they weren't a hater like talk to me and they're very nice to me but it's all fake again it's like some interrupted weird stuff going on so i think like to the haters in life if you want to hate someone then stop watching them stop buying their stuff stop trying to meet us in person and hang out with us, I think like that's the freakiest, weirdest,

Starting point is 01:20:31 disgusting thing that I've seen. I don't know why. It just freaks me the fuck out. I don't know. I feel like it's like, am I in a horror movie? Like, are we acting like friends I'm going to stab each other? Like, I just, I don't know. I have no idea. Like, I don't want to talk too much about the weird guy stuff because that's like next level. But like for the girl's stuff, it's like very white girl interrupted, freaky-ass shit. What's something you wish you could tell your teenage self before you ever got pregnant? If you could go back in time and sit across from her. No, why does it have to be like about pregnancy?

Starting point is 01:21:13 Well, it's before you're pregnant. I know. Okay, so it's like before I'm, so not pregnant way before. Yeah, so you're 14 years old. Okay, okay. You're sitting across from your 14-year-old self right now. What advice would you give that person? It doesn't have to be pregnancy advice.

Starting point is 01:21:28 I could be life advice. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I guess like the best advice I know is don't care about what anyone has to say, think anyone holding you back, anyone telling you no, nothing that's around you matters and you stack on all of your choices and you create your future. So I guess it's like, is anything real around you? and then what do you really want to make real? And that becomes your real life. I think when we're in like adolescence and we just we gravitate to like the relationships we saw growing up like a hula hoop.

Starting point is 01:22:11 And you're not really living yourself. You're living versions of people at your high school. You're living versions of your parents and other people around you. and you don't really formulate who you are maybe even until you're 30. And I think like that's critical to know at a very young age because what? We're peer pressured into feeling like if you're of substance that you need to go date someone to feel special and needed and worthy and like you're special. Like, I just, again, I think, like, herd mentality, you don't need it, and you need to go figure out your own way and create who you want to be.

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Starting point is 01:25:00 Man, I've had so many good ones this year. Hold on. I don't want to leave anything out. Dude, this is like one of the craziest years of my life, I swear. I just, I don't even know. So I got one about education, which I think is needed for everyone. Education has turned into a marketing, a deceptive marketing practice. So like the biggest life lesson that I've just totally labeled so I understand it and I stop forgetting it.

Starting point is 01:25:39 By the way, everyone, I have like an attentive disorder. So I forget stuff and I have to like write it down. So much so like it's like, oh, should I date this kind of a person? Then I know I shouldn't and then I do. So it's like really bad. It's like a bad thing. But for me because I'm also like continuing my education and other people know like schools can be a scam. schools don't really set you up for success. But I just have learned, like, their deceptive marketing

Starting point is 01:26:06 practices and how to turn them in. They violate your civil rights, deceptive marketing stuff. And there's, like, federal funding. And I've had to just turn in my school this year pretty hardcore. And it's because I could finally see this life lesson is, like, schools basically are a failed business practice that does not have your best interest. And you have to really, really, really pushed to change that. So that was like the biggest life lesson on education this year. Some people just skip it. Some people are just like, I'm not going to go through the abuse and like the financial wear and tear of school. For some reason, I was missing that. So I had to go back to it. And then there was also, yeah, again, like I think like the whole full circle thing this year,

Starting point is 01:27:01 like a life lesson was seen like as a parent. So that was like my education life lesson that I'm really trying to get in my head because I don't want to lose sight of what that is so I can overcome my JD program. But my parenting life lesson this year is you can literally create generational health by simply changing not having anything. like repeat like history in your parenting journey. And you, it's like it just comes from not having control problems and also like befriending the process of parenting. It's not about being a friend to your child, but it's about befriending that process of parenting that I think I learned as the ultimate life lesson of parenting. And I don't know if that even makes sense to people, but I often get

Starting point is 01:27:59 moms and dads when they talk to me about parenting and or haters online when they're commenting on things that we post me and my daughter they think either I'm a best friend irresponsible parent or something and something else but most of my mom friends or people who are run into in real life they're like oh it's so much work it's so much work to like be a mom And I think like you have like even if like you go to a job every day, how do you keep going to that job for like 90 years? Like how do you serve someone else and befriend the process so you can continue to serve not only them but yourself and get something out of it? It's almost like a mentorship program. Like when I mentor people, I get so much out of it.

Starting point is 01:28:51 And I also just feel like you're doing that. You're a guide, like a yoga guide. as a parent. And that changes your whole life dynamic and you create generational health. And I think that's beautiful because I did not have that. So that's like the biggest life lesson on parenting. So education, parenting. And then yeah, the work thing. If you actually show kindness and breaking a cycle of like use and abuse and work and you keep leading it, then your old body. will come around and want to work for you. And you, like, again, you've won. Like, you've really broke the cycle and you've learned the life lesson that love is stronger than gaslighting

Starting point is 01:29:38 and abuse. And you're creating a great work culture. I don't know. This year's been so full of insights, not only just for, like, education, parenting, business, but also in crime. And like, I've been doing really well at, like, my court cases and my lawyers and, like, dealing with insurance companies. I just am like, whoa, it's like this criminal, like, everything with crime and everything with, like, accidents and everything with, like, suing people. It's like, it's so, like, you can, it's like, does our Constitution exist or do we impact our Constitution and it exists? and it exists. So I think I've just realized how creative you can get in the legal system. And like, yeah, people who kill people can get away with it.

Starting point is 01:30:30 If you just impact the courtroom in a way or if you have enough social impact outside and you impact the court, you can get away with it. And I find it weird that we have laws that allow that. So I don't know. It's like there's this really big year. And it's been so much fun to create like new TV shows and next. projects with that. So if anyone's looking at 2025 and thinking of life lessons and so many different categories, wow. You should like leave me a message after this. I would totally read this in the

Starting point is 01:31:01 comments. That's so cool to like think about what did we all learn this year? Like life lessons. It's crazy. Well, Farah, I appreciate you coming on the show today. This is great. Thanks for having me. I hope I'm not missing my airplane right now. No, you're not. We're perfect at time. Oh, gosh. Sorry I had so much to share this year. It's like, whoa. No, you did great, and I appreciate you coming out here today. Thank you, fellow Gemini. Thank you, Ian. Of course.

Starting point is 01:31:26 Yes, thank you.

Locked In with Ian Bick - Farrah Abraham: Why I Got Arrested

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