Locked In with Ian Bick - Former Leader Of Bronx Drug Organization Share War Stories From Prison | Lefty

Episode Date: September 22, 2024

Lefty, the former leader of a notorious Bronx drug organization, shares raw and unfiltered war stories from his time behind bars. From violent prison clashes to surviving the harsh realities of life inside, Lefty opens up about the challenges he faced and the lessons he learned along the way. #TrueCrime #PrisonWarStories #BronxDrugKingpin #PrisonLife #DrugEmpire #PrisonDocumentary #GangLife #CrimeReveals Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Connect with Lefty: https://www.instagram.com/ytell_clothing?igsh=Zm14NTZyZ2F4YXEx https://www.instagram.com/og.mr.ytellceo?igsh=MWg0azN4bzNqNWxjZg== YouTube:  @OGytell  Shop his merch: https://ytellclothing.com Connect with Dazed Cannabis: https://dazed.fun/locations/union-square-park/ http://Instagram.com/dazedcanna Presented by Tyson 2.0 & Wooooo Energy: https://tyson20.com/ https://woooooenergy.com/ Buy Merch: https://lockedinbrand.com Use code lockedin at checkout to get 20% off your order Timestamps: 00:00:00 - Filming at Dazed Cannabis in Union Square 00:03:42 - Temptation of Street Life and Family Impact 00:07:41 - Gang Life and Drug Dealing 00:11:24 - Principles of Leadership and Respect in the Streets 00:15:07 - The Business of Drug Dealing 00:18:50 - Business Operations and Lifestyle in the Past 00:22:38 - Firearms and Drug Dealing 00:26:37 - Facing Federal Charges 00:30:29 - Rules of Engagement 00:34:24 - A Risky Plan to Visit Mom in Jail 00:38:18 - The Mistake that Led to the Pen 00:42:18 - Prison Conflicts and Violence 00:46:04 - Prison Attack Experience and Life as a Leader 00:49:43 - Prison Gang Involvement 00:53:37 - The Power of Loyal Connections 00:57:37 - Rebuilding Life After Prison 01:01:01 - Major shoutout to Tyson and Chris Powered by: Just Media House : https://www.justmediahouse.com/ Creative direction, design, assets, support by FWRD: https://www.fwrd.co Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You win? Must be 21 to enter. Welcome back to Lockton. We are filming on set at Dazed Cannabis at Union Square. So excited for this episode. Thank you to the team at Dazed Cannabis for making this episode possible. and shout out to Tyson and the Tyson 2.0 team and Wu Energy, Rick Flair, grab yours today for sponsoring the show. And huge shout out to my man Lefty right here. How you doing?

Who is on set. We're doing, this is like one of your first, like, official official interviews. The platform. I'm super excited to have you on. And at the top of the show, I just want to plug in your merch, which I'm wearing now, too. Wide-tail clothing. This is sick, man. I got to say, it looks really cool.

It's really well done. tell the people where they can find it at and whatnot. You can go to on whitel.com, which is whitetail clothing, or you could go on Instagram, Yatel slash clothing. Awesome, man. So did you grow up in New York City? I grew up. I was born in Puerto Rico and was raised in the Bronx.

I was just in Puerto Rico last week. Oh, yeah? I missed the hurricane. Oh, you were there last week? Where'd you stay? I stayed in Salinas, but I was all around Awadilla, Maya way. Awesome. I went to San Juan.

I wasn't doing too much San Juan because there's too much tourist over there. I got very burnt. I'm like peeling really bad right now. The white boys, you know, when they go out there. I got a little color too. I'm going to. Swam with a little barracudas and stuff like that. I was a little scared.

And we went snorkeling and stuff. Oh, yeah? Yeah, it was cool in jets can. I'm a little scared of the water. Really? Too many things underwater. Way different than being in federal prison. Oh, 100%.

So what was it like growing up in the city after coming? When did you come from Puerto Rico? Well, my family decided to come to New York City around the age of seven. And after that, we just decided to stay in the neighborhood, which was Brook Avenue. From Brook Avenue, we moved to Cyprus on 141st. That's why I grew up. And were you big family? And did you have a mom and dad?

Yes, mom and dad, they grade. They retire. They in Puerto Rico. I have a brother. I have three brothers and one sister. Were you guys close growing out? Yeah, for sure. And what did they do for work when they came to the States?

My mom was a nurse and my dad waited for metal plated. Played for metal? Yeah. Like a metal band? No, like metal, like played in the metal. Oh, okay. Oh, like in a factory? Yes, a factor.

Oh, okay, okay. And was that a good job? Did you guys grow up? It was decent. It was decent. How would you say you guys grew up, middle class, lower class, upper class? Between both, lower class and middle class. But it was a struggle for the family.

So describe the city what it was like growing up during that time. Oh, man, the early 80s was unbelievable. It ain't like now the drugs were sold in the street. It was all infected area in the Bronx, abandoned buildings and stuff like that. Wow. Do you want to just flip the phone because it keeps flying? Yeah, we'll cut this part. Let me just.

Yeah, it was just flash. Yeah, yeah, I know, I know. All right, cool. So growing up in the city at that age, were you, like, out on your own a lot, kind of in the streets, or were you with your family, or did you have a close into friends?

We was close to the family. A lot of family used to come over, used to visit. It was a tight family. You know, we had always our tradition, Christmas, Thanksgiving, You know, it was tight. Now, if your siblings were here today with us right now,

and I asked them, how would they describe you? What would their answer be? At that age? At that age, from 7 to 16, I was good. But after 16, I think I decided to do things that wasn't no good. I mean, they always going to say I was a good son, but at the end of the day, I had my ups and down. Why do you think that was?

Why at that age, do you think you went down a different path? I think that I seen so much. going on in the street when I used to come back from school and all these drug dealers wearing fly chains and driving these motorcycles, fly cars. That attracted me a lot. And I kind of thought that having that lifestyle, your family will be good, but it wasn't. It was, it would destroy the foundation of a family. So do you think it was like the money aspect of it? Or was it more the flashiness popular being cool? I think it was the money because we, it was, three brothers and we didn't have that, that flashy life.

Like, we have to wait for a certain time to get a pair of sneakers and shirt, things like that. Now, your brothers, did they decide to take the same path that you would end up choosing? Well, after me and my dad decided to do that, which I was the one that created the problem. They got involved. So you got into business with your dad. Well, it's a long story, which I, I'm going to explain.

I started, when I was 16, I started leaving through the Firescape window. And one time, I was already starting dealing, so they found $5,000 in a box, in a sneaker box. That's the old school OGs. That's where you put the money at. And my mom said she was going to keep a moucher, but to make sure to take that back to whoever, who I'm going to take the money to is my money.

So the next time my mom found 10,000. So she spoke to my dad, your son has a lot of money in the box. I don't know what he's doing, find out. So I told him that the guy in the store downstairs was giving me the drugs. So he came downstairs with me and told the guy, you're giving drugs to my son to sell.

He's making a lot of money for now on. You gotta give it to me. So now at that time, my dad was going through a situation, where he had asked for the job race and they didn't give it to him so he didn't have no job so everything collapsed after that. Why do you think that people did use the shoe box for the money?

Because I've heard that so many times. Why was that the method back in the day? I'm not sure. I think people think that it was safe there and nobody would know that it was money in the shoebox or it was a lifestyle. So where does it escalate from there? Where does it grow?

Do you guys build an enterprise from there? Do you guys growing it? Give us the rundown. We created a racketeering case that landed me 18 years in prison. Also, my mom did five years. And we all, our three brothers got 18 years each. And how old were you when that happened? I was like 24.

24. So I had a little run. So from 16 to 24, you're in the streets. What would you describe yourself as? I was a leader. I always wanted to be the boss, you know what I mean? Not to try to impress nobody, but that was my target. I wanted to be like that drug dealer that I knew, you know what I mean, from my neighborhood.

Now, back then, do you remember guys, like, unique and those types of guys, or was that a different area? There was a lot of unique guys. A lot of unique guys. And who are you guys, like, I guess, competing with or at odds with? Oh, I remember, like it was yesterday, we were competing with the wild cowboys, which is a gang that did numbers in the block. And the white cowboys, they have a book out on them, and they were very notorious in my block. And were they of violent nature? Did you guys have, like, violent beef?

Well, I'm not going to, you know, put them down like that. But if you read the book, you hear history about them. Yeah, I've heard, I've listened to some podcasts about them and whatnot. Yeah, wild cowboys are already known. Now, your group, was that a dangerous group that you were associated with? Well, we didn't have a group. It just grew up as a family. I had my own spot.

I used to collect rent. And my brothers just decided to put their drugs in front of my spot. And I couldn't tell them no. So I went with it. So it kept growing, growing. At the height of it, say maybe in your 20s, how much were you guys making a week? What was the worth of this? I remember having a save with 120,000.

was my first safe I had. I value about maybe 20,000 a day. And that was a lot of money in the 80s and 90s. I mean, to me, I was 19 years old, 16 years old growing, selling crack cocaine. And a crack was the one that taught me how to cook this crack. How does a crack head teach you how to cook that? You got to share that story. Hey, I paid a few bottles of crack. And she taught me how to cook the best crack in the neighborhood. So you guys were actually cooking it and making the product yourself. So you weren't outsourcing it from anyone. No, no, no. So that was probably super profitable.

It was. So were you guys in like those old style New York City like trap houses like building? Well, we was in a regular building. It's maybe the tenants there, maybe 50 to 100 tenants. Wow. And then we had the lobby lockdown. We have

a guy looking out one in the front, one in the corner. Did you guys have like the two apartments? Like one's the cash and ones that? Yes, we did. They had a two apartment, but there was a situation because we was living there that one of the runners ran upstairs to the apartment, and they raided my mom's apartment. And that became a problem because at the end, she wound up doing five years. So when your mom had gotten raided, that happened before you had ever even gotten arrested? Yeah, yeah, that was before.

She wound up getting probation. I went through a lot of pain and suffering because of that. It really bothered me. I kind of learned and understood that there was a problem from this happening of what I caused. Now, was she in the life with you, or she's just like a bystander that got caught up? I'm not going to say she was a bystander, but being around me all the time, you know, things happened. So did you guys have a name you called yourselves? Were you like a street gang?

What would you describe yourselves? If you Google New York Times had an article on us in 1996, they called us the Malabai brothers, which that's my last name. And do you like how the New York Times described you? What do you think about that article? I kind of, now that I'm more mature, it bothers me because everything is Google. Someone wants to know who you are, and that's how they're going to, they won't know. you, by meeting you and get to know who you are now, but who you was in the past, and that brings little issues to some things that I'd be doing.

No, I bet you back then you probably thought that that was cool or like a notch on the bill. Of course, I thought. I'm a gangster. And is that how the people that you were around looking at themselves, too, like gangsters? Yeah, I looked up to a lot of drug dealers. Let's not say gangsters because gangsters is different. I mean, but it falls in the same category. I looked up to a lot of drug dealers. Were you guys interacting with the mob at all during that time, or was that completely different? I cannot say yeah or no, but there's some relationship.

But there wasn't a beef like you guys didn't impose on their territory. Now, what were some of the principles as a leader of your organization? What were the principles you lived by every day? My principal, it was death before this honor always have your integrity at one, you know, on point, you know what I mean? It's a loyal equal strength. That was my point. Now, do you still look at that,

have that same mindset now, like all these years later? I still run with it. I don't know why, but wherever I stand, I want to stand with the respect that everyone gives me so I could give it back. Because you know the world has changed so much. I mean, now it's, I guess, normal for individuals to tell or to not have that honor and get caught up.

and snitch as soon as they get caught. Well, I understand that's why now I don't play those games with the street. I don't touch the street. The only way I touch the street if I go to a club or a bar, but I'm staying away from that also. So with that being said, I don't want nothing with the street. So being a young leader at that age, was it hard to run your crew?

Was there a respect issue at all? Well, I have to put my work in to get my respect. Like I had to do a few things, you know what I mean, put some work in. And not only beating, but shooting and stuff like that. But it is what it is. You know, it's like you learn how to milk the cow. Something I learned from being in the feds myself is that a lot of the young, like, gang members and groups, those guys are kind of hot-headed, rash decisions.

Was that, like, how you guys were back then? Or were you more smart, cool, calm calculated? Well, I'll be honest with you. I think we was just like that. When I came from the state to the Feds, my attitude was mad at the world. But when you come to the Fairs, they basically calm you down.

You don't calm down. They calm you down with things that they do, you know, to calm you down. So walk us through like a day, like a day in the life. You're 20 years old. You're running this crew. What happens from the time you wake up to the time you go to bed? Well, my day was getting up, making sure the spot had the goods, making sure 24-hour around the clock is running,

and everybody is dealing correctly, no stealing, no making wrong mistakes, so we won't have no chaos with the police, and always respecting the people in the building. and even the people that work for you. Now, back then, are you guys worried about how the drugs are being cut? Like, there's no fentanyl back then, right? Well, we, like, right now, the fentanyl, I guess, is destroying the drugs and it's killing people.

But back then, it was so pure. There wasn't nothing to think about it. If you have the right connect, you'll get it the way it comes, and nothing was touched. Now it's being stopped. So bring it, give us like the price breakdown on one cook. What are you guys making on that? And what are you selling it for?

All right. So let's say we have a pie of cocaine, 16,000. You make 50, 60,000. So it sells for 16,000 one brick? Yeah. At that time. And maybe if you get it overseas, you'll get it for 8,000 and then deliver to wherever a spot, you know. So were people still bringing in, like,

by the boats or smuggling it in on top of buying from you? Or are you guys like the main source? Or would you not even outsource it to be? No, I wasn't. I was just dealing with a person directly and I wasn't doing all that. I was making good money. I didn't worry about what he was doing or I'm going to change the way I'm, if I began like this, that's the way I'm going to end.

So could, did you ever think about making it bigger or you were happy with where you were at? Well, I decided to do a second thing, which. grab heroin. I brought heroin to my spot and I was making more money also. Now, some of the dealers that I interview had their own addiction issues themselves. Did you ever use

or go down that path? I kind of tell you, I never had an addiction in any drugs while I was dealing, but I could tell you that I understand and tasted the things that I would buy and purchase. So you wanted to know what the product was that you were selling? Do you think that different,

from a lot of other dealers that might not even cared about what their product was, or if they even put out a good product? Not really, because the testers were the crack hair and stuff like that. So those trap houses, they were, are they like the movies and the TV shows where there's guys like strung out? I mean, the trap house in the movies, they probably add something to it, but it's similar to it. It's similar to it. So your mom gets caught before you. She ends up getting probation, no jail time.

Yeah, she gets probation. Do they try to get probation? Do they know about you or the authorities knowing about you at all or no? I think at that time they were building a case and they were adding things to the case and they didn't want to mess it up. So they left it alone. So they didn't try to squeeze her at all to get to you?

No, no. At that time and error, it wasn't too much squeezing. You know what I mean? Now it's like as soon as you get there, let me hear what you got to say. When did you first find out that there was a case getting built against you? Well, I used to sometimes see the detective, either FBI, regular detectives parked in the corner,

and they didn't care. So all I used to do is just keep it moving and make sure I didn't have nothing on me and stuff like that. How would you spot these guys back then? You could tell the car, the on-marked card or their vases on. Do they approach you at all, kind of like taunting you or teasing you? At the end, I was being approached. Like, I could see the same guy in the same place with me.

And did you think in your mind, I got to stop? I have to pull back. They're on to me. Well, I was getting prepared, but I couldn't stop what I already started. The fire was too loud. Did that scare you at all? I was worried about it, but I wasn't scared. I was like, if it happens, it happens.

It's going to come anyway. Yeah. So I was trying to retire, but I guess I didn't get the chance. answer retired. They must have knew this guy's getting his things ready. Did you have like a number in your head that you knew you were going to be out of the game if you hit that number? With the RAM Declaration of Deals, we're pledging our allegiance to the American people

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So you want to keep it at the same price. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, tell us about how you were spending your money. And back then, was it okay to just use cash? Whereas, like, now it would be kind of a red flag if cash was being used. Oh, my God. When I was getting money, you could do so much with the money. they would not even register or apartment or, you know,

to know that you bought this property. Even a car, you'll go to a dealer, you'll put it on someone's name, $15,000, $20,000 down, and they won't ask you. Now? You travel with $10,000 or maybe $5,000 is the limit, and you get pulled over in the airport.

Well, people look at you with just a few hundred bucks in cash in a weird way anywhere. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, it's a lot different, you know what I mean? Because there was no debit cards, credit cards, maybe there was credit back then. It was credit, but not credit cards and debit cards. And were people using checks? Yeah, yeah, definitely.

So did you have to clean the money at all, or did you guys just not have that? I did that some, but I can't really speak too much about it. I did some, which I still have something from it. So you guys were like a business-minded operation. It wasn't just like your normal street dealers. You guys had some structure to it. I basically had a like I had a plan

to build a foundation and have my things when I retire or whenever I leave but it didn't work out do you ever see these interviews or like I talked to guys where they're like yeah if I made that two million I was out do you believe when they say that?

I don't believe you think they would have kept going yeah it's like if I ask you right now you get a deal $2 million you might open another podcast. Yeah.

Yeah, it's hard, you know, like when you, I guess it depends on your lifestyle in the situation and what's presented with you. But I don't think once you have that taste,

that would be like if I stop the podcast, what am I going to do? Like I need something to do. I need something to fuel you. So when you apply that to drug dealing, it's like,

well, what am I going to do after that if I just left? Yeah. And I feel like people that are ambitious and entrepreneurs can't just sit idle. Yeah, I know.

Would you consider yourself like an entrepreneur back then? Was that a term you guys referred to yourself? I couldn't say that because it was drug dealing. But I kind of had an enterprise that made it look like I was that guy. If I would have come suited up with all this money, you might think I was. Yeah, how are you guys dressing? Were you dressing? What was the style back then?

We used to dress regular, but me, in my events, like New Year's, I have all my guys, all my workers, which I still have photos of that with suits. I don't know from where I got this, but we all have suits and we'll, you know, any celebrations, we'll have suits. We'll go somewhere and have a guy get your measurement and we all look alike. Not alike, but we'll all look like. We got money. Were you guys carrying guns, too? Of course, 100%. What was, like, the gun of choice back then?

My gun of choice is a revolver of 357 because the 455 always a clock. You know what I mean? The biggest gun I ever used and I ever shot was an M1. And M1's a machine gun. And M1 is a 30, a banana clip rifle. Okay. And you guys were just carrying around those. Well, not the rifle, but the guns were used to carry.

And the cars were you driving, like, escalades, catalog? At that time, there was a lot of maximus, MP3 Mazda, a lot of Mercedes, 190. And, yeah, it had a lot of cars. And were you dealing with anyone in different states, like Connecticut or New Jersey? I tried to do that, but it didn't work out. It was like, it was too much chaos. And I guess the reason it would work out because sending drugs to another state, it costs you more problems. Yeah, but the Fed's caught up with you either way.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%. So tell us about the lead up to getting eventually busted and sent to prison. How did that come about? Well, I had done a three to six. My investigation was already, had started already. So I don't know why they didn't pick me up in the state. So when I come back from the state, there's a guy who's in my neighborhood wandering around

doing his little things and whatever, and I got involved with him. So I still have the connects or whatever, and I had a guy bring me 100 bundles of heroin, which is like 10,000 bags. And I served the guy with an undercover, and they got me 90 days later, I'm back in the state. So from there, there was a case open about somebody in the neighborhood,

and they start snitching on us, and that's how the case opened, and they picked me up from the state to the first. Oh, so they reopened the case again while you were in the state? When you got busted on the state charged, do you think that was it, and you were done? You were in the theater? Yeah, I thought that was it. I said, oh, now I could do my thing. I'm done with these people.

I don't owe them nothing. I gave them three to six. I'm done. You know, the feds are notorious for that, picking people up. I've met a ton of guys on RICO cases where they thought they were in the clear. All of a sudden, they're strapped with that detainer. Feds are taken over. 100%.

I agree with you. Now, back then, was it better to be in state prison or federal prison from like the street perspective? Well, back then, the feds is sweet. I've been in the state. The state food is trash. And coming to the state. It's like being in college. I mean, to tell you the truth, you had a buffet, a full fruit salad, salad, all type of whatever you want,

a soda machine, ice cream machine. Where are you going to find that in the state? They used to have ice cream machines, didn't they, in the feds? Oh, no, they did. I thought you was going to say state. No, no, I've never been in the state prison. Wow. So New York was a little bit tougher in the state for you.

Of course. And you were, what, 18? Or when I went up, I was like 21. 21. So when you got, you never got out of the state back onto the streets to operate in? No, after the first picked me up, I never. So you went straight from? I went straight from the high school to college.

That's a good way to put it. So what were the charges? What did they hit you with? What was the indictment? I had a racketeering case, which is murder, kidnapping, extortion, all the above. And how did you feel when you got hit with that case? What were you thinking? Well, when I got picked up from the state, I was surprised.

I was wondering what was going on. I was escorted by a whole bunch of cop cars from Rikers Island to MCC federal detention. And when I got there, I'd seen a car bore with the three brothers, the mom, And the workers. So I said, this is the truth. This is going to be a long road. Now, the day they pick you up when you're in your state, are you in a jail cell?

What was that like when they came to get you? Yeah, I was in a cell. I think I was in C-95, and they took me to the receiving room from there. When I got there, two federal agents was waiting for me. And are they telling you what's going on, or you had no idea? They didn't do too much talking. But when we got to the prison, they read my rights.

You have a federal charge, a racketeer, and whatever. Got the news, everybody was there. Were you thinking, or was it just one charge, or was it multiple charges? No, I kind of knew. I knew most of the stuff I had done, and some of my workers who created the indictment. Well, how did you feel about the guys that were the ones cooperating with the government? Well, I was destroyed, but at the same time, I was mad at. at the world. And not only that, having my mom being part of something that it was bad, you know,

it hurt me. Yeah. And did you know what that time was going to carry what you were facing with that indictment? I didn't know. I didn't know. Because it's a pretty serious charge, a racketeering, some racketeering. Well, once I heard racketeering and I went to the law library and I looked it up and my brothers and they also explained to me. I was like, wow. So did you have to get a paid attorney or did you get a public defender? We had a public offender. And looking back on it now, do you wish you had a paid attorney? No, they would not work. You don't think it mattered? It's 99% of people go to trial and beat it. One percent, one percent on win and 90 percent lose in the fast. I don't know if you know that. Yeah. No, that's why their conviction rates so high.

It's not because of their trial, right? It's because of the, everyone's pleading guilty to. They throw those numbers at you. Did you know that you weren't going to go to trial right off the bat in your mind? Well, I want to thank my brother who convinced me that my mom would not survive. I was going to trial and get in life and her getting the amount of time she would get for going to trial. So having my mom helped me decide. to take a plea.

Plus, when she saw me, she advised me from the cell crying, you need to take a plea so we can get over this. Because I was kind of a knucklehead when it came to taking a plea. And what was the offer

that they gave you the first offer? Oh, my God. It started at 29. Then they went to 22. When we got to 18, I had to just wipe my sweat off my head and say, let's go. Was there a possibility?

it would have got lower or do you think? Nah, I don't think. It was too much. It was too much going on. I'm surprised you got 11 years off of them, though, too. 18 years. Well, they started at 29, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So they knocked 11 now. Well, nobody wants to go to trial. Not the government, not us. It's spending a lot of money. So, but they said it's either 18 or we start trial today. Did they hit you with a kingpin charge too or no? No, no, no. Okay.

I wish. I'm glad that not the. I wish. I'm glad that they didn't do that because that was a dangerous 848 camping status and it will take it to a light prison. Could you have been charged with that looking back on it? Not really. Not really. What do you think differed you from the ones that were getting charged with kingpin? Is it a certain amount of weight you're pushing?

Is it the level? Well, there's more murders. Okay. That's what's a difference. There's more murders and probably more people involved. There was only 12 in my indictment. 12 murders in years or 12 people? No, 12 guys. 12 people involved in the indictment.

Did you guys have a rule about violence and murders and anything in that nature as a whole? Or what you mean? What kind of rules? Like staying away from the violence? Because I've heard from a lot of people that violence brings heat. At that time, we was all young and ignorant. There was nothing to stop anyone. If I tell you, don't do this.

at the moment you have to react to the situation. So when we come back, well, oh, I'm sorry, I did it. When you guys did do acts of violence, did you have rules at least that it wasn't going to be anyone that was innocent? It was always someone that was involved in the life. One thing about me, I never wanted violence. It was like something I learned not to shit what you eat. So I really didn't want problems with people in my neighborhood

or anyone. But when it came to having this beef with the wild cowboys and stuff like that, it got out of hand. It was like we didn't care what we'll come up. We have to, you know, do what we have to do to survive. Do the wild cowboys still exist to this day or has that been, is that long gone? They're all in prison, you know what I mean? I mean, shout out to all of them, even though we went through, you know,

the ups and down that we had, I respect them. And hopefully they good if, you know, if God's willing, they'll get an appeal or something, a reversal so they could get back home. Hopefully now they're more mature like I have. And things changed their life. So when you got that 18-year plea deal, did they want you to flip on anyone at all?

I know you didn't, but did they ask you to? Or was there no one to flip on because you were the real leader? Well, this is the deal. They tried with my mom. They said, we let your mom go if you guys turn states and stuff like that. But remember, I told you my mom was the one that requested the pleas for her to take a plea and begged me to take a plea. So we wasn't going to do that.

And my mom wasn't accepting that either, you know, even though, you know, even though, It was a bad decision for us to take all this time and go away. But, you know, we started something and we had to finish that way. It's so sad to say. So your mom ended up getting fed time, too? Yes, she got five years. So she got five probation in the state and then it turned federal? Yes.

No, she got five years besides the, she did most of the time of that probation. Okay. As time went by that they were doing the indictment. Okay. But she did five, 48 months. And a woman's federal prison? Yes. Where did they send her?

She went to Danbury. Yes. When it was a woman's house. It's still a woman's, a woman's camp. Oh, now it's a camp. Yeah, it's a woman's camp, a woman's low and a men's low. Yeah. What year was she in there in the early 2000s?

We got locked up in 96, 99. We got sentenced. So she wants to have been around the 90. Start the spring season off right with. the new pair of Toccova's Western boots. Hand-crafted and over 200 steps from genuine leather, they're built to last and feel broken in the moment you put them on. From cowhide to exotic leathers,

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I figured it as much that they were too close to... I remember we was an MCC and the only way for me to see my mom and it's sad to say I had to make something happen which was a life-threatening in my life. I wanted some time with my mom before we go away and I was in the shoe and one of my friends

he didn't convince me but he gave me an idea he told me left you know your mom is in suicide watch the room is right next to it

maybe you could pay her visit so in my mind I'm saying I'm going to pay this woman a visit what the CO's going to take me down there they said take one of the small batteries swallow it and they're gonna put you on suicide watch and you can speak to your mom for three days.

That would be your visit. So I'm young, I'm ignorant. I want to make this happen with my mom. I decided to take a battery in Thanksgiving Day and pay her a visit. And I had the best visit of my life before I went away. What happens when you swallow a battery?

Well, I swallow a battery. They put me in suicide watch. And when they put me in suicide watch, they came and they took me to the hospital. They gave me a liquid and I shited it. But it could happen a lot of other stuff. I could have blew up. You know, acid reflex on your stomach

could have cost you a lot of problems. Now that I'm older, I don't think I would swallow a battery. Yeah, if you don't get it out quick enough. Yeah, yeah, for sure. So they got it out quick enough. Yeah, they took an x-ray. And so when that happened, the warden came from his house.

He's like, oh, my God, it's Thanksgiving. You're making this happen. Why? I said, look, man, this is the only way I could survive and do things and make things happen. And he was like, you need to come down. You're wilding out. You want to be a barrow? He put me the barrow of the shoe.

So how are you guys able to talk when you were in the suicide watch through the vents? The vent is in the top, let's say maybe 12 feet from the street. the floor and I used to get on the sink and talk to my mom. If she got to rest, she got to eat, she'd go on a break with her. That's pretty genius. It sounds

crazy, but I had my, I had the best time with her. I'm surprised you weren't able to like pay off a guard or anything back then to begin. It was, it's MCC is one of the most serious places in New York City. I think it's closed

now, right? Are they temporary? I'm not sure. I'm I was reading something ever since the Epstein situation. But I always remember I never forget that. I left my mom to death, and she knows that. My family, though, up to this day, I give her anything she wants. I think I put her through a situation that was very bad. And now I'm trying to get back for all the things I've done. She's with my dad retired in Puerto Rico.

Do you think that your prison sentence would have been different if you didn't get to say goodbye to her right then and there? Nah, I was still mad at the world. Whenever I left, I was still wild and out. It didn't change. I had a monster. I was carrying him. So it was just the attitude everywhere I went. It came with me.

Where did they send you for your first prison? The first stop, I went to Oldersville. The Oldersville, it was a holdover, and they also had inmates in there. And from there, my first stop was Leavenworth, Kansas City, which was the USP. Now, tell us about Leavenworth, because that's a notorious prison. I was there for maybe two months because, mind you, I had the stay case, so they wanted to send me. As soon as I got sentenced, they made a mistake and sent me to the pen, but I had to go back. back to the state.

So I was there by two months. So before when, you know, they put a list up, who's going to where and what, Eliff and whatever, right? So when I got up, when they do the mail, that's when they put the list. Every day I used to check.

So my brothers is like, your left. You're going in 11 words. I'm like, what? So now I'm starting to hear all these crazy stories. You know, you're a gangster. You could be all the person you act or you are. But at the end of the day, you think in the situations that can happen.

So I have one of my friends that was there. Shout out to World Love. One of my friends, he wrote me a kite and made sure that when I landed, I give it to the right person, which is somebody big. He has two life and 25 years in prison or sentence. So I got on the air lift When I get there I see this big house bigger than the White House

I'm like holy shit So they take us to the hole Because you have to be registered To see who's your enemy Who's not supposed to be here And then that So I tell the porter Listen I'm already anxious to get this kite out

I'm like listen I want to get this kite to such and such. I don't want to say the name. And he was like, oh shit. You know this guy? Where you come from? He's questioning me.

Now, mind you, I know the guy, and I know how much time he got, but I don't know how big he's in the prison system. But I already had heard about his name ring bells. So he was like, give me the kite. I'm going to give it to him. So he gives him the kite the next day a whole bag of food.

The seal opened the cell and I'm like, yo, where are you opening the cell? He's like, take that bag. I take the bag, man, food, commissary, cigarettes and all that. So I put down for the yard. Now mind you, you haven't been qualified to be with inmates anywhere. He puts me in his cell by him requesting the CO to. to put him, put me in his cell on in the yard. And I'm here talking to this guy with two light, 25 years.

So he's like, yo, what's up? I heard about you. You know, will send me the green light? Everything good and worry about it. You might be going back to the state because you have a state case. And thank God I didn't make it to the yard. Not that I didn't want it to because my PSI is good.

And if you know the PSI, what the PSI is, is your probation statement. And, you know, I came back to the state, and then I started doing my time. But Leavenworth was one of the prison where they hold army guys and the post office mailman's. I don't know if you ever heard about that. I didn't know about mail, like what, corrupt mailman?

Yes. Oh, I didn't even know there was a certain prison for them. So those individuals that you were describing have those inmates with the life sentences, they have so much pull that they could easily get You want to sell like that. Yeah, but with, like when you say you're going to, someone is family, they really got to believe what they're saying,

and you have to respect the cop not to do something and get him in trouble. You know what I'm saying? There's clothes and rules and regulation when it comes to that. So I guess the cop respect to him and knew who he was in the compound. Did you get to experience some of the politics at Leavenworth among the inmates, or were you not there long? Well, the politics there when I got there, the Lankings and the Maine. Mexicans was going at it.

Like that they had a beef for... Yeah, they were going to war. There was a shootout with pool table balls. They even took the pool tables out. And back then, there was gym equipment and everything, and the weights? I believe so. There was weights, but they took them out because of the gang wall. I know a lot of them never made it back.

Yeah, a lot of USPs, they took the weights up. Yeah. So you go back to the state, do your sentence there, and then go back to the feds? Yes. And where did you go back to the feds when you come back? When I went, when they sent me back from Leavenworth, I went straight to MCC to New York. From New York, I went back to Rikers Island. From Rikers Island, I went to Sengen.

I'm surprised that the state took precedent over the feds. I thought it's normally the Fed's state president. But I figure that there was so many co-defendants around that they didn't want me in the feds. That's what I think, because they send me back straight to the state. Okay. And Sing Sing, is that still a federal prison or is that a state? No, that's a state prison. Okay, so you went to Sin Sing for your state bid.

Yeah, but that was my holdover. And Sing Sing's a maximum security? A maximum security. What was that like, or were you never on the yard? That was crazy. Wow. Tell us some stories from Sing Sing. Oh, man, if I tell you a story, I went to the yard the second day after they qualify me.

and in the early go-back coming back I got stabbed I got stabbed with an ice pick someone from my neighborhood said that I was involved and I had a relationship with a friend that killed someone related and it affected me the relationship and the friendship I had

you know to me getting hurt and why did they stab you because of that because because of that. The person that was related had gotten killed. And that ties back to you. It ties back to me. I had a friendship with a guy who supposedly was involved with stuff like that.

And that was just enough to... Yeah, so I landed in the hospital for like 90 days. They have their own hospital. They took me out, but they brought me back. I was like 90 days, Key Block, which is a cell in the nursery. From there I went to Clinton. Clinton is a max also a USP, I mean not a USP of state prison. So in the state, while I was there, I was in the annex, not in the regular prison.

I was just a hold over there. So one of the guys came that were involved in doing what they did to me. So I'm like, oh shit, now we got problems. So he approached me with a razor and said, What's up? Well, you still got a problem? So, you know, I acted like I ain't wanting a problem. You know, I acted, man, so if I let it go.

At nighttime, I approached my friends, and I told them that were from my neighborhood and I let them know. Listen, where I come from, you flash a knife and you don't do nothing, it has to be taken care. So they said, do what you got to do. So they didn't believe me. So in the nighttime, I got a net bag,

I got a brick. Because I didn't want to hurt him with a knife or a razor, and I beat the crap out of him. They got me up out of there, took me to the hole. I was another 90 days locked up. Then I made it to El Mira, Amira another pin. I met up with some guys or whatever, whatever. But that's how I did my bed.

When they did the hit on you, did you know it was coming, or was it unexpected? Oh, man, it was, I could feel it. I could feel the tension. I don't know. You've probably been in situations like that. that someone is going to get hurt. I don't know if you've been around that,

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Looking at you, like, you weird. And it's not just one guy coming after you. It's multiple when they do a hit like that. Maybe four or five. And one, they're holding you down all the other ones hitting you? Not holding me down, but, you know, trying to make sure the guy gets his, gets his shit off. Now, when you say ice pick, explain to the audience what an ice pick is in prison. Ice pick is a piece of metal, long, like a pencil.

And that's just getting stabbed repeatedly into you? I got hit twice because I fall back. Okay. You know, I was scared to die. You know, once a situation like that happened, you have to react, protect yourself. Are these hits aimed to kill someone? Were they aiming to kill? Or they touched my lung.

One would hit me here and one in my back. You still have the marks from them? Do you still have, like, marks from them? I have, it's not that big, but ice pick don't do that much. hold, but it threw damage inside. Yeah, it's like meant to like really irritate you. I always said that stabbing a person is harder than shooting because shooting,

you shoot and it destroy you. Stabbing, you feel the wound. Yeah, I mean, and you see those guys that do just the razors and do the slicing and stab just with a little one. That is kind of like shooting a person too. Because that happens a lot of Rikers too. The slicing, the slashing, the slashing is what it's popular. Did you realize, was it a hard adjustment going from federal prison politics to state politics?

Oh, of course. It was like a change of lifestyle. You know what I mean? Yeah. What would you think it's like the major difference between the feds and the state politics-wise? The politics is over nothing. In the feds, you have to have a reason to have an issue or a problem. And it's more organized in the feds, I think. Of course. You have to go through the proper channels. You can't do a hit without permission. Well, this head was already organized.

Okay. It was already planned. Now, was it hard for you going from a young leader of your organization to a, you're small fish in a big pond in prison? Well, I kind of understood there was other leaders. So I kind of carry myself as a leader. And when you carry yourself like that, you get to meet good guys. And did you have aspirations to become a leader yourself in prison?

I didn't want to be a leader, but I wanted my voice to be heard. You know what I mean? I let that for other guys in prison. I don't want to be a leader. It's too geographic. Do you think you already were starting to mature as you went through your prison years? I think I was. And do you end up, what year do you end up going back to the feds?

Yeah, I end up going back to the feds. What was your last prison in the state, and when did you train? transfer to the feds? So from leaving Kauyuga after I got hurt and I put in that work in Clinton, I went to, after doing 90 days in the hole, I went to Elmira. And in Elmira, I met some good friends. And there was a situation that one of my friends, it was almost the same situation. and somebody got stabbing in prison,

and the guy went home, and he still had relationship with somebody inside. So I got put in a test. We was hanging out in the yard, and one of the guys says, look, someone just arrived. So I'm like, I'm looking at him. I'm like, what the hell are you talking about?

So we have a group that we always meet in the yard. This is Elmira. I forget what they call it, but anyway, it's the yard. And they have the TV, they have the pull-a-bar. So he tells me, I brought out these knives. I want you to hold me down. So it was me and two more, the guys. So the guy comes out, you know, how they, we walk the yard.

And the guy comes out, and he tells me, I'm going to approach him. So we planned that before it. We was like, listen, you need to approach him and tell him you need a light. And from there you go on. So now I'm becoming to be part of something that I don't want to be. I'm going to be part of a gang, which I don't want to be. But at the same time, these are my guys. These are the guys that I built for, you know what I mean?

So when we get close to him, he sees, is coming, so he already has spoke to him, and he thought everything was squashed. He said, let me get a light. Once he got the light, he just got on him and started stabbing him. Yeah, in that situation, you don't have a choice. You have to roll with them. Yeah, so now I become part of the, part of the guys of family, and they took the guy, they took me, they keep like us. From there, I went to Five Point. From Five Point, I lasted like, maybe two or three months. And from there, when I seen the board,

I soon as seen the board, they let me go, they released me, and I waited for the feds. They picked me up and took me back to the feds. And how many years did you still have left with the feds when they picked you up? I did, like, four years. So I had 14 years left.

So now, mind you, I'm coming with this attitude. I'm coming with this guerrilla attitude to the fairs. So when I get to the fairs, I landed where my brother was at, so he's like, listen, man, you got to come down. This is not the place to be loud and wild and out and everything you see. You want to be involved. So time went on and I matured out of the way. Yeah, must have been a tough transition from that like war zone of the states to the feds.

Did they put you right in a penitentiary or did you go to like a medium? No, I went straight to the medium. I went straight to Skukyu. And that's a medium, right? Yeah. Medium high. So that was a lot different than your first experience in the pen. Yeah.

But I never made it to a low or a camp. You did a medium your whole time? My whole time in penitentiary. Why did you never get down to a low? I think I had a lot of problem tickets, and that caused me to keep my points high, 16 to 20 points. Who were you rolling with in the medium? It was with structured as cars back then, too?

Well, in the state, I rode with the caonero. I'm officially a caonoreau. Shout out to baby. And then is that group in the feds, too? In the feds, mostly I hanged out with the Spanish guys. And they, I know in the feds, in my experience, like in the lows, it's structured from cars. Like, you had your New York car, your New Jersey car. Of course, 100%.

I also carry myself with the New York car. Being that your, you know, your lawyer, dude, that you kept it real. you have people that want to chat with you, want to, you know, get to know you. And that's a pretty powerful car on East Coast prisons in New York car. 100%. Well, you know, when, I never knew how strong it was and how much environment. It gets everybody in trouble when it comes to the New York car. You know what I mean?

It's either Puerto Rican, black, whatever you are, you have to be involved with the New York car. Now, was the medium as violent as a state prison for you, or was it? No, the medium was sweet. I liked it. It was very chill. Things happened. You have a lot of Mexican fights because they'll come from the West Coast, and you have these gangs that are not getting along and stuff like that.

But everybody was carrying their self-cut. And medium, you're locked in your cell all day, or what's that structure like when you're in a medium security prison? What's that? Are you locked in for the cell most of the day? Only for count. Just for count. They have the unicorn.

They have the training for exercise. You have the school tutor. You're a porter. I didn't do that much. I didn't. I like to work out and stay around. Did you have a hustle at all to make money? We did have a hustle.

They had a hustle. I was just speaking to someone that I was on the phone. he was taking out in a helicopter because he decided to do some dust in the compound He was doing dust on the compound? Yeah, so, you know, we used to do our thing. I remember that it was close to going home, about four years to go home.

My friend went on the visit, came back with a mother low, and instead of, you know, giving the people what he picked up, He went and smoked the joint of dust and OD. And if it wasn't for that helicopter, he won't be talking to me today. That's crazy. When did he get out of prison?

He got out right after me. And what year did you get out? I got out 2012. So now, in 2012, I decided to do my halfway house in Puerto Rico. Oh, because Puerto Rico, they do have a federal prison in that. Yeah, but you know something? that was a worst thing I did not it was a lesson

when I went over there it was worse than being in the halfway house in New York City guys are getting smoked outside of the halfway house killed killed for what they probably were no good they probably were thinking they're going to take over the spot again

and over there there it's no joke over there you get taken care Now, out of your 18-year sentence, how long do you, would you say you did out of that? You did the full 18 years? Oh, man, I messed up a lot of good time. I did 17 years for five months. That means you really annihilated all of your good time.

Oh, that was, like, kind of wild. Wow. Looking back on. I was wild and I was wilding. I was mad at the world. I was mad at the world. But now that I see it, that I've done my time and everything changed, I have mature. I forgive a lot of people.

I even forget the rats that were in my care. I'm not a guy to expose things and stuff like that. I don't do that on social media. And I don't really care what they did. But just know that I know that you're a fucking rat. You understand? But other than that, with that being said, I'm part of the community now.

I do things to speak about good things. You know what I mean? I was the godfather of the Puerto Rican parade. I'm also giving back to the society. Yeah, tell us how you. you've been able to rebuild your life after prison? What have been some of the challenges you've faced and what are like the principles you live by now

and how that differs from, you know, growing up in the city? My principles, well, not every drug dealer wants to get a 9-and-file job, but that's the only way to change your life if you don't want to touch the street. And staying away from the street and maintaining a positive life and a good life, the only way is to go legit. That's what I do now.

I work. I also had my clothing line when we shot it out in the beginning. And it helps me everyday life. It helps me to have the lifestyle that I used to live. I spent a lot of money, so that's the only way I could do it. Do you ever wish you could take back how you grew up and the things you went through? Or do you think it made you the person you are today? I don't want to change that, man.

That was a lesson. I wish I could, but there's nothing you could change. It just made me a better person. Do you ever run into people from the past that are still going down that bad path? Or has everyone pretty much come to the same conclusion? Every day. Every day I have people. I have my surroundings like that.

But it's either we chat or we see each other and keep it moving. What do you think about the young individuals that are trying to get themselves? Because they think that gangster life is cool. They want to be how you were back in the day. It's not worth it. Back in the days, you're making a lot of money. But now you only make to pay your rent or pay your car and stuff like that. It's not worth it. You're going to get 10, 20 years.

The feds ain't playing. I mean, the way I look at it. And if you don't get 20 years, you're going to strat. I mean, that 100K, you say you make on a drug deal now, you get busted. You do 10 years. You could have made 10 times that, you know, doing something legal. I was just talking to Chris about that. It's making so much money.

Now it's not worth it. I made more money, you know, like at working at home. food than some what drug dealers would work. Not to put it out. I make $30 an hour and I think that's enough for me. That's great money. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm good with it.

Yeah. And you can get overtime if you want to. I'm sure health care benefits. Drug dealers don't have health benefits. I have everything. Things that I didn't have when I was a drug dealer. I didn't have no health insurance. I didn't have, if I died, they'd have to get a cup and put some money in a cup to put me away.

So I didn't have those things. Yeah. And I'm sure you have credit now and it's just a whole new world. Oh, man, I got a good credit. Yeah, that's awesome. Well, Lefty, thank you so much for coming on the show today. Thank you very much. Thank you again, today's cannabis for having us.

Looking forward to doing more episodes here and looking forward to staying in touch. We've got to have you come to studio. Of course. I have just one thing to say. Yeah. We ask him clemency for Boris Brie Blanco. His name is Jose Colon. He's in Sing Sing, Correctional Facility.

He's been down 25 years. So every time he'll go to the board, he get hit. So we're just trying to free, free Blanco. Does he have parole or is he doing life? I think he's doing a life or 25.

I'm not sure, but we're trying to get him out. We're doing a lot of things in social media. Do you guys have like a GoFundMe or anything like that? No, I don't, I'm not sure, but I put you on to see if we could

do something for him. Cool. Well, sounds good lefty. Thank you. Thank you for having me here. I also want to thank Chris. Chris and his wife are giving me the call and having me in your platform. This is major.

Shout out to Tyson too, man. Yeah, shout out to Tyson. Tell him I had some merch for him. Absolutely. All right.