Locked In with Ian Bick - Fu Banger: Nine Trey RICO, Epstein in Prison & 6ix9ine’s Robbery

Episode Date: December 15, 2025

Fu Banger sits down to breakdown his involvement with the Nine Trey Gangsters, surviving Rikers, and navigating the federal system after the 6ix9ine RICO case exploded. He details what really happened inside Manhattan Correctional Center’s SHU the night Jeffrey Epstein died — what he saw, what inmates were saying, and why the entire unit felt off. Fu also explains why he believes 6ix9ine staged his recent “home invasion robbery,” and gives his honest reaction to Diddy’s viral prison photos and the trouble they may bring. He opens up about his time at a federal low-security prison, including how the yard handled high-risk inmates, predators, and those with serious charges, and what daily life at a low really looks like. #FuBanger #NineTrey #RICOCase #6ix9ine #Epstein #PrisonStories #TrueCrimePodcast #lockedinwithianbick Thanks to AURA FRAMES, BLUECHEW & PRIZEPICKS for sponsoring this episode: Aura Frames: Exclusive $35 off Carver Mat at https://on.auraframes.com/LOCKEDIN. Promo Code LOCKEDIN Prizepicks: Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/IANBICK and use code IANBICK and get $50 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup! Connect with FU Banger: https://www.instagram.com/fubanger_hob/?hl=en Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Shop Locked In Merch: http://www.ianbick.com/shop Timestamps: 00:00 Tekashi 6ix9ine RICO Case Explained + FU Banger Intro 00:40 Growing Up in Brooklyn: Family, Childhood & the Streets 02:27 Brooklyn School Life, Graffiti Crews & Early Crime 04:55 First Arrests, Juvenile Jail & Learning the System 07:07 Teenage Hustling: Boosting, Independence & Survival 13:46 Returning to NYC & the Barclays Center Incident 14:35 Arrested Again: Federal Charges Begin 15:46 Inside the RICO Case: Prison Calls, Informants & Feds 19:41 Rikers Island: Gangs, Structure & Daily Survival 21:38 Transferred to Federal Custody: MCC & Co-Defendants 24:14 6ix9ine Cooperates: RICO Fallout & Snitching Allegations 27:44 Taking the Plea Deal & Admitting Guilt 32:42 Federal Prison Life in Pennsylvania Explained 35:36 Prison Hustles: Orderly Jobs, Money & Politics 39:00 Prison Culture: Gangs, Cars & Chomos 43:14 Breaking Rules, Discipline & Getting Violated 46:01 Daily Prison Routine: Food, Commissary & Smoking 49:42 Prison Fights, Gambling & The Shoe 54:09 Jeffrey Epstein at MCC & Solitary Confinement Stories 58:51 MCC Lockdowns, Guns & Emergency Transfers 01:02:57 COVID Lockdown in Federal Prison 01:04:42 Getting Out: Reentry, Jobs & Reality After Prison 01:10:07 Life After the Case: Notoriety & Staying Low 01:12:00 Staying Out of Trouble After Prison 01:13:13 Final Thoughts on 6ix9ine, Identity & Survival Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Takashi and Casanova, they had like a little, some differences or something like that. And it was like a little, almost a tuss or whatever. and then, you know, they charge me for a shoot-in. How do you feel about him cooperating? You know, I was with Jeffrey Epstein. Most people only read headlines, Foo Banger, live them. The Takashi 6-9 RICO case. Being across the hall from Epstein when he died, life inside federal prison,

his take on Diddy's prison photos, and why he thinks 6-9's most recent robbery is staged. Foo-Banger, welcome to Lockton. Thanks so much for one, reaching out and two coming on the show today. All right, cool. What's good? How are you? Good, man. I appreciate you coming.

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I got you. No, like tell the audience. Oh, oh, oh, oh. I would have to make sure you get connected. Clothing line coming out of New Britain, Connecticut is Debbroke. Yeah. Oh, out of New Britain? Yeah.

Oh, cool. Yeah. That's local. How far is that from here? Probably like an hour. Okay. Yeah. That's not bad.

Do you live in Connecticut? No. I used to live in Connecticut probably like 20 years ago. Did you grow up in Connecticut? No, no, no, no. Where'd you grow up? In Brooklyn, New York. What was that like?

Growing up in New York is like, it was rough, but, you know, it's New York. Growing up in New York, it's cool, you know. Who were you raised by? My parents, my mother, somewhat, my father, the streets, you know. What do your parents do for work? Oh, my mom's is, um, she's retired from like the IRS. Oh, she worked for the IRS? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

She was a fed. Yeah, some, I guess, yeah. What did your dad do? Uh, he was like, uh, he worked for, like, moving companies and stuff like that. Now, what did you mean by he was kind of in the picture? You know how that, like, he was around sometimes and, you know, sometimes he wasn't in and out. Ultimately, your mom raised you, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Did you have siblings? Yeah, I got a brother. Were you guys close growing up? Yeah, yeah, me and my brother, cool. What was ultimately childhood like for you? Was it rough? Was it a good upbringing? No, it was, my childhood basically was like, you know, most of it I was like in the streets.

You know, my mother tried to pit me, you know, stand me the right way. But I was like in the streets, most of my childhood and stuff like that. Do you remember your first interaction getting into the streets? Shit, tough. I was like 9, 10 years old, and my father introduced me to the streets, actually. How? Shit, my father, he gave me some dope and showed me how to sell it. Yeah, like I think I was 10 years old.

How do you teach you how to sell it? What do he say? Shit, he was like, go in that building, and I'm going to send some people that's going to knock on that door and come up there, and they're going to give you this amount of money. you give them this and they're going to give you that. Yeah. What was your reaction to that? Were you excited? Did you not want to do it?

I wasn't excited. I just went. It was like it wasn't normal, but I just went with it. I didn't know. What it was on? Did you know anything about dope at the time? No. Or drugs at all?

Nope. Were you in school? Did you stay in school? No, I was in school. I was definitely in school at the time. And I think I was in Park Slope at school. What was school like? back then?

School was cool, but, like, in school, like, I was into, like, graffiti. I think I was a Decepticon at that time. I was in a group called the Violators, yeah, in Park Slope. Wait, like Decepticon, like the Transformers movie? Yeah, it was a gang. No, not a gang. A group of guys called the Decepticons in, you know, New York, Brooklyn. Oh.

Yeah. And that's been around for a while? That's been around for a while. That's probably 30 years old, 40 years old. And what were you guys just all hang out together? Yeah, yeah. What were your aspirations growing up? What you mean?

Like what did you want to be when you grew up when you were young in high school? I didn't really, I was kind of confused. Not really confused, I was growing up, so I didn't really know what I wanted to be. You know what I'm saying? So I didn't really realize what I wanted to be until probably I got older. So, yeah. Did your mom know what your dad was teaching you? No.

Actually, when I got like 27, I told her. What do you think was the most significant thing that happened in your childhood, good or bad? Damn, in my childhood? Probably when I went to, I went to, like, juvenile jail as a juvenile. For what? Like, robberies and, like, a whole bunch of crazy shit. How old are you at the time? 15, 16.

How long were you in there for? 18 months. What was that like going away at that age? It was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was like, weird because, you know, like you were a kid and then they take you away from your family and stuff like that. So it's like, you're not a man, but you're doing man things, but you're a kid and then you get placed into man. You know, it was like, oh, it was, you know, some kids at that age still be looking for their mother like, oh shit, my, can you help me? But, so you grow up in that, doing those, you know, in that process. What did being there teach you?

not to come back, but it didn't work because I went back. Why do you think it didn't work? Well, it just didn't work. Yeah. So when you get out, do you go back to school, or are you just on the streets full-time? As a juvenile? Yeah, once you get out of there. When I got out of there, they were like, you know, they offer you, like, programs and stuff like that.

I was in the programs for a while that they pit us in. I was in those programs for a while. but then I guess I think I think I had a child at that time too Oh you had a kid? Yeah And I think I was too young to get a job I think I was doing like some of you

And I don't think that was enough So I think I went back to like hustling Or you know, doing certain things To get money boosting and stuff like that Did you ever go back to your mom's house Or were you done at that point? No, when I was 14 I left my mother house

And I never went back like till this day And I'm welcome there I always go there But I'm not. I never went back to my mother's since I was 14 years old. Where were you living? In the streets, like I was like renting rooms. Sometimes I was renting like staying in crackhead houses, you know.

I was in the streets. Is it easy to rent rooms at that age? If you got money. Now your main source of money at the time was just drugs? Drugs, boosting. Yeah. My mother used to give me money too, though. Now boosting as in stealing cars or just...

Clothes, not cars. Like clothes. Like, electronics. Yeah. And where do you sell them to? Pawn shops or... People on the streets, you know. They just buy them randomly?

You have, like, customers or you just ask people, you know? Like what they want? Yeah. Okay. So then what happens after that in your later in your teenage years? Oh, damn. My teenage years? I just was like in the streets.

for a long time after that, just in the streets, in the streets. I didn't really, I was going back and forth to jail for, like, petty stuff, though. Like, back then, weed wasn't legal. So I go to jail for, like, smoking weeds and stuff like that in the streets. Not nothing major, though. Did you ever end up graduating high school? Actually, I graduated in federal prison just now. I just graduated.

I'm not, well, I got my GED. I'm actually, yeah. So in your 20s, where do you go? Are you still living in the city? In my 20s, I was, like, everywhere. I was in, like, out of town, you know, Connecticut, everywhere. How do you end up in Connecticut? That's crazy.

Through a female that I knew, you know. It's always a female. Yeah, yeah. And what were you doing for work? Did you have a job? In Connecticut, I was working as a, um, in the garbage place, like with all the, where they bring all the garbage, I think, like the garbage, where you sort out the garbage and stuff. Yeah, I was working there.

And you couldn't get that job in New York or it's just because you were living in Connecticut? No, because I was in Connecticut and I needed a job. I applied for that and I got that job. Now, were you staying out of trouble at that time? I was still hustling, but I was out of trouble, though. And were you in any gangs at all at that period of time? No. Just kind of keeping to yourself?

Yeah. So when do you end up going back to New York? Years later, I went to New York for, actually, I was out of town and I came to New York for, I think, when Adrian Brunner or whatever his name is, he was having that fight in the Barclay, Barclay Center. When the six-nine case happened, I came back for that. and I went to federal prison. So you came back just for that one night? Yeah. And how old were you at that when that incident happened?

Probably 38, 39. Were you in prison at all between your 20s and your early 30s? So you were completely out of the way, not involved in anything? Yeah. Okay, so tell us about that night then when you go to the city. What you mean, tell you what? Like what happens? Like, how did you get roped up in it?

you know, the incident happened with 6-9 and Casanova. Then I wind up getting arrested or whatever. And, you know, I went to prison for it. Paradei presents. Ojos with Alerjia and Picasson contra the gardener. And the winner is Parade Extra Fuerte.

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And it was like a little, almost a tuss or whatever. And then, you know, they charged me for a shooting in the air to, you know, make the crowd back up and stuff like that. Yeah. And that's what happened. And why did you happen to be there that night? Were you with, associated with six nine's crew? Yeah, I knew, you know,

people that was, you know, his manager and stuff like that. But you weren't actually one of the members of his crew? Like what you mean? His crew, no. Yeah. Oh, so you just happened to be there. You didn't. Had you met him before?

I met him for, I knew him for like a month. That's it? Yeah. Wow. So you meet him or you knew him for a month and then you go here and this whole incident happens. Do they catch you that night? No, they are, I think like 14 days later.

And why did you shoot a gun into the air? Because, actually, like, you know, I had went there with, you know, 6-9 and, you know, his entourage and stuff like that. And then I felt that, you know, that he was, you know, we was being attacked. You know what I'm saying? You know, and that's what, you know, I just felt like we was being attacked and that's what happened. Did you mean to hurt anyone? Not hell, no. You just wanted to shoot it off in the air?

Yeah. And no one got hurt. No. Now, Casanova, so the audience knows, is another rapper? Yeah. Okay. And they were having a beef? I guess.

Some internet shit. Okay. And then the gun goes off. What year is this? This is what? 18, 19, 2000, right? 2018? Yeah.

So that happens that night and where do you go? When? That night afterwards. Do you guys all run away or? I think we went clubbing after that. Like nothing happened? Yeah. And did you think you were going to get caught?

Probably. I don't know. I wasn't, it didn't matter. Back, I didn't. I got away that night, so I didn't think I was going to get caught. And so the two weeks go on, and then what happens? I come out the house like five o'clock in the morning. And, no, no, matter of fact, the day before, I come downstairs and I go with six, nine

them to a club, like I think it was Starless and some shit like that. And when I come downstairs, I see two guys, like, sitting in a, like, a Durango, they're sitting like this in the car. White guys, no disrespect to the race or whatever. But, so I'm like, you know, what the hell? What the hell is that? You know what I'm saying? But they further down.

So, 6'9, like, you know, don't worry about that. We going to the club. We don't know who they are. You know what I'm saying? Me, I automatically think it's like police or something. You know what I'm saying? So we go to Starlitz, like we drive and I notice that they follow in us. You know what I'm saying?

So I'm like, yo, listen, this car is following us, man. I don't know who these, this car, you know what I'm saying? So we speed off, we leave the car. We get the Starlitz from Brooklyn to where Starlitz is at and the same car pulls up, like slowly. So I'm like, what the hell? You know what I'm saying? So then like the owner, he comes out. He's like, yo, listen, y'all can't come in this club, man.

It's like a ban against on the trayway. You know what I'm saying? So that was that. So then we left, but the car was back there. So we left. The car follows us all the way back to Brooklyn. It was like following us, you know what I'm saying? For a whole like a day.

But I didn't know that it was because of that. Oh, you know what I'm saying? Because of the shooting. Yeah. So then the next day, I come outside five o'clock in the morning. And when I get in the car, when I pull out I see a car pull out with me but he had on a construction vest

you know what I'm saying so I'd be like what the hell you know who's this you know what I'm saying so I drive from like Crown Heights to Best Stuy and he's still following me you know what I'm saying so like I'm going forward and the police is coming down a one way besides this police that's following me you know what I'm saying so they come in front of me and they cut me off they like so I'm like you know

what happened. I don't know what that was going on. They like, when you drove past us that your car, it signaled us that your car is stolen. You know what I'm saying? And I'm like, this car not stolen, this car is like paid for. Like, what are you talking about? You know what I'm saying? So they're like, we're going to take you to the precinct. And if it's not stolen, we're going to let you go. And that's when I got locked up for that. Who is the car registered in? A female. Did she actually report it stolen? Or were they just fired? No, the car was never. stole. So they were using that as like a holding tactic? Yeah, I guess. So they bring you to the precinct and do the feds come? Mm-hmm. The feds come and they say they like, you know, they came and

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Yeah, I was tied to the game. Oh, so you were a part of the gang? That's how I got into the RICO. Okay. Yeah. But if you had just met him over a month, that was short enough. I just met 6-9 over a month. Okay.

So the feds come, and what do they charge you with? What the RICO. It was just RICO, or was there other charges? I think discharging of a firearm or something like that. Now, does 6-9 get charged that same day, too? Yeah. So everyone gets you. No, no, no.

When I got arrested, I was arrested by myself. Okay. Yeah, it was only me. I was arrested for like, I think like five months. And then they brought everybody else in. When I got arrested, the rest of them was like, I get, they was being investigated. And the more I called them from prison, the more it dug me into their investigation because their phones was tapped. Oh, you were calling them from prison?

Yeah. Why would you do that? just like talking to them, you know, bail money, commissary, you know, stuff like that. Did they actually take care of you while you were in there? Somewhat. Did you wish they took care of you more? No. Now, was there anything illegal you were saying on the phone?

Yeah. On the actual wall phone? Yeah. Not really illegal, but illegal, yeah, to them, to the government. So were you charged with Rico that first day? or not till after the five months? I wasn't charged with the RICO until they said that I called Mel Murder and was talking to him because I guess his phone was tapped at something like that. So they said once I called him, like, oh shit, this guy's calling him from jail.

Like what the hell is this? You know what I'm saying? Why are they connected? Yeah. Okay. Now those five months, where do they have you held? Right, because I don't state in the state. Oh, so the feds had a hold on you, but they put you at Rikers?

Yeah. What was Rikers like for you? It was cool. Actually, when I was on Rikers, right, I had this song, and K. Slay played it when I was on Rikers' out. So it was kind of, it was cool. Like a song that you were in or produced? No, a song that I had rap, that I had made and stuff, that I had going on at that time.

And rest in peace, Kay Slay. Caseley had played the song up there in Rikers. Who was K Slay? He's a DJ. Okay. Yeah, he passed away. And he was a club DJ? He's a big DJ.

No Diddy. He's a, um, he's a DJ, you know. Look him up when you all get time. DJ K Slay. Okay. Now, at Rikers, who do you run with and associate with? Um, I run, I run by myself. Like, I don't really run with people.

Like, people know me, so. you might see people with me or whatever, whatever, but I run by myself, like, you know. Did you get into any violence at Rikers? At that time, Rikers' violence? Not really violence, but sometimes you've got to, like, do certain things to structure certain things in the prison. So, yeah. What do you mean by structure? Like, you know, like, if you living in a house, it have to go a certain way.

You know what I'm saying? So you got to do certain things. things and make sure when you wake up the house is ran a certain way, structured a certain way, you know. But no one was giving you any problems? No, no problems. Just people that probably knew the prison don't know what goes on. Not no problems, though. Where does your group fit in with like bloods and crips and everything?

Is there beef amongst you guys? No, no, no, nobody's, no, no, there's no beef with no bloods and no crips. People groom in. You know what I'm saying? That's like in our past, nobody's like banging nothing like that. You know what I'm saying? But that's like people pass. You know what I'm saying?

But people, that's what people used to be. We used to be it. You know what I'm saying? So there used to be beef years ago? That's how the culture was. Like, you know, that's how it was. But now you're saying it's not? A lot of bloods get along with crips and crips get along with bloods, you know.

There's not no beef that I know about. Now when you were sitting in. in Rikers, were you thinking you were going to actually get charged federally, or were you thinking it was just a temporary thing? I was charged with, like, reckless endangerment, so I thought that I was getting out. Is that a felony? No. Or if I would have got something.

No, no, matter of fact, they was offering me one to three, matter of fact, and then the feds came. How did they get you? Did they have you on video at the club or at the fireplace? Yeah, they had it on video, yeah. So there was no one at that time snitching? yet or anything? About what? About anything.

Like with the, was 6-9 or any of the kids? A 6-9 driver in his car was being, his car had cameras in it. Yeah, so the whole time that was on tape too in his car because, yeah, I think I was in his car

the night before or something like that. Were you guys talking about what happened? No, no, no. We wasn't talking about it. I just was there. So it shows me knowing him and stuff. Guilty by association. Yeah.

So when did the feds actually charge you? What was that? like? I was on Rikers Island and the gang unit came and they was like, yo, the feds coming to get you in the morning that you, you know, pack to be ready. I'm like, I thought they was joking, you know what I'm saying? So, but they wasn't. And who picks you up?

The feds. Like FBI or? Yeah, the feds. I don't know, FBI. Marshalls. Yeah, yeah. Okay. And they bring you where to Brooklyn or Manhattan?

Manhattan. Well, MCC. Yeah. It's closed now. though, right? Yeah. Okay. Where do you go in MCC?

I think I went to 11 South MCC. What kind of people are on that floor? All kind of people. Like gang people, people that deal with like fraud, people, like, you know, homish people that just was like used to do Federals, all type of people. People from Africa. Was it hard adjusting going from Rikers to the federal joint? And what was your lawyer telling you when you got there and when you met with him for the first time?

When I first got there, he told me, like, the new charges, the RICO and the shooting charge and the 6-9 case indictment case. And did you know that 6-9 was cooperating at that point? No. How do you find out? When we went to court, I guess, like, all of my co-defendants, We was, like, sitting together, and they had him, like, back there, like, with the, um, the marshals or whoever they were. So that's how that, yeah. Were your co-defendants communicating with each other?

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You in? Must be 21 to enter. Before we went to court. So, yeah. What was the general consensus? Was everyone pissed in kind of like denial or? No, it was. It was what it was. Now, if he never cooperated, would anyone have gotten taken down?

Mm-hmm. Yeah, probably because he's not the reason why they started the investigation. You know what I'm saying? But he just, you know, put the icing on the cake. He just, you know. How do you feel about him cooperating? Actually, that's like in the past, you know what I'm saying? Like I might like see him like on Instagram and stuff like that and just like say a joke or something.

But I don't know. That's like seven, eight years ago. You know what I'm saying? How do you feel about him giving interviews and talking? talking about everything that happened? About happening about the case and stuff like that. Yeah. Oh, some of the interviews that he do, like he's like lying, you know what I'm saying?

He lies a lot, but that's what he do, so I don't know. Now, he claims that he only testified because he felt his life was in danger. Is that true? Because his life was in danger. How was his life in danger? someone said that or I think he's claimed that they were going to kidnap his baby moms or there was like a kidnapping thing where he felt threatened. What about that? So how long is the case play out for?

How long is it take to figure out? To figure out what? Like everything. If you're going to take a plea deal, if you're going to go to trial, what's going on behind the scenes. Shit. I was locked up for like a year. No, a year. I was locked up for like almost three years.

and then because like as I was locked up they still was like bringing other people in so yeah probably three years I was locked up how many co-defendants were there probably eight now were there other people that got life in prison at all or um halve got 24 years right free hog right yeah so he was the longest sentence I think so who is the smallest I think cool to be? Probably no. Six-N-nine is the smallest. And Drama Bentley is on the same case too? Yeah. Okay, so you knew drama back then? No, I didn't know drama. He was just on the case. Yeah. Okay. And drama... Well, shout out the drama though.

Yeah, he was on our show. Yeah. Good dude, drama. Yeah, hell yeah. So how, what are you going through, like in your mind? What are you thinking of doing? Do you want to take a plea deal or take it to trial? When? During the case, yeah, during the proceedings. I was trying to just take a plea deal and get the case over once I found out, like, if you fight, if me with my situation, everything was on tape. You know, they couldn't really tell that it was me that was the person that I guess shot the gun or whatever. But, you know, 6'9 was telling them that it was me because actually they got the jacket that. I had on that same day.

And they pitted, I guess, for ballistics or something like that. And it came back clean. So me, I kept telling them, like, it wasn't me, like, you know. But once he told him, like, yeah, it was me, the guy be with us, da-da-da, all that stuff. I just was like, the plea that let's get, you know what I'm saying? I wanted to get out of MCC. You know what I'm saying? Because I heard it was better on the compounds.

In the federal drawings. Yeah. Now, did they have any of your co-defendants on the same floor as you, or was everyone separated? Oh, hold of all. I think we was all separate. I was what could be for a while. But we was all separated, I think, after that. Did your co-defendants not want you to take a plea deal?

I wasn't really, if you, the case, some of them took plea deals before me. I think I was the last one to take a plea deal, I think. Actually, yeah. Because don't some people say if you take a plea deal when you're in one of these indictments that admits guilt of other parties? That's what I thought. No, no, no, no, no, no. Hold on wait.

Of the parties. Like, of people that are involved. Like, say you have 10 people on a case, the first person to take a plea deal admits, say, they're a gang member. Then it kind of puts the other nine in a, you know, difficult position. Somewhat. But I think in my plea deal, it was only to plead to what I did, like, the Barclay thing. and they have nothing to do with nobody else.

Yeah. Yeah. So did they end up separating you from the RICO? No. So you still get charged under the RICO. Yeah. So what's your plea deal for? My plea deal is for being a member of the non-tree, gangster, bloods, and the shooting.

And how much time did you plead out to? Seven years. Did you agree with that sentence? Do you think that was fair? No, I didn't really agree with it. I didn't even really want to tell the judge that. that I was like, you know, a non-trade gangst. I didn't want to, you know, when I went in there, I didn't say that.

So the judge was like, if you, he told my lawyer that if I don't say, you know, like, I'm like a non-trade gangster and that, you know, I admit the shooting, my sentence would go like to, like, 15 years or something like that. So he told my lawyer to, like, take me out the courtroom and, and, you know, fix up my, fix what I want to say when I come back in. So I had to say, you know, I'm a non-trade gangster. And, you know, I committed the crime and I, you know, accept to plea. So your plan was to not even admit that at sentencing?

Yeah. Why didn't you want to admit it? Because I was trying to, like, get the less time that I could get, you know? Oh, so you thought I would get less time by not saying you were affiliated? Yeah. I never said I wasn't affiliated. I couldn't say that. They knew that I was affiliated, you know?

Did you, did your lawyer say if you were, were at risk of getting charged with other crimes that were maybe committed in the past? Yeah, my lawyer was like, just like, you know, the best bet was to take the seven years. He wasn't, he like, you know, it's your freedom. He's not telling me he go to jail or nothing, but like, this is, if you, you don't want to fight with this case, you know. So how much time does the judge end up giving you? Um, he gave me seven years.

Oh, so he gave you the full sentence that you pled out for? Yeah. He didn't want to go lower at all? No, because when they said seven, I told my lawyer, I said, yo, tell him I take five right now. And he said, hell. He said, they're not. He said, yeah, right. He said, they want to go up.

Yeah. How bad was your criminal history at the time? Was it just juvie or did you have other charges on you? It was like just juvie. I had like a little bit of running, but it wasn't like major. I don't think I was in trouble for 15 years, probably. Now, what's the history on the nine-trade gangster bloods? Who are they?

What you mean? Like what's a nine-tray gangster blood? What is a non-tray gangster blood? Yeah. Um, what is a non-tray gangston blood? I don't really like talk gang stuff on these, on podcasts and stuff like that. You know what I'm saying? I don't know.

Probably Google it, you know what I'm saying? I don't talk gang stuff. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So you get sentenced to seven years. Where do they send you? Um, they sent me to Pennsylvania to Loretto. And what is that, a medium, a high?

It's a law. Okay. Tell us about that experience there. What's that, like, day one? When I first went there, it was a guy, like, in a, I think it's like a four-man room or something like that. And it was a guy that, like, he'd been in jail for probably 20 years and stuff like that. Like, he real institutionalized and stuff, so they put me in his room and stuff. I think he was, like, the head of the.

orderlies or something like that. And me, I'm like an early person. So, you know, I get up like early in the morning. So I used to get up like seven in the morning, but I had the top bed. So one time he came to me, he like, yo, when you get up in the morning, you're waking me up, da-da-da. You know me?

I just came from MCC. That's like gladiator school. Right. like my attitude he calm because he's on a compound they eat in good you know they don't see no mice nothing like that i just came from mccc bro like gladiator school bro like people like like all right so he's like i'm like yo bro listen respectfully like this is what i do bro like you want me to stay no daddy you want me to stay in my bed until you're ready to like get up or something like that i don't understand what are you saying you know what i'm saying so that whole conversation went left

they wind up moving my room down a little bit more and stuff because he was like he'd been there so you know they don't but yeah that's why did you guys get into a fight or did he no no no it wasn't no fight because it wasn't no fight and then what did he drop a kite saying you were causing problems or no they was telling me both of us I think we went to the like the counselor and was like you know to move me to the room down there and stuff like that why was MCC so bad? I don't know. When I went there, that's just how it was.

I had to get, would it? Was it dirty, too? Yeah, hell, it's dirty. Mice everywhere. Dirty shit. What about food? Jell food. You've been to prison?

Yeah, I did three years. Yeah, but I didn't go to MCC. Where you was at? Brooklyn. Brooklyn was clean. It was pretty clean. The food sucked. Okay.

It's the same food. They don't send it from Brooklyn to our bad. I guess it's the same type, but it's crazy how, like, in Brooklyn, compared to, like, a compound, the food is a night and day difference. Crazy. Like, it's the same federal system, but totally different. I had Thanksgiving in Brooklyn, and the food was, like, crap.

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Did they make you work? I had became the orderly, the head orderly in the unit. So I used to hire people to do like mopping, clean the bathroom and stuff like that. How did you become orderly? Don't you have to be there for a long period to get that gig? I was there for like a year. before I became the head orderly because like when I was inside the unit, like certain orders like I don't follow,

people that run the house. I'm not comfortable with waking up being under certain people or under certain things. You know what I'm saying? So I felt if I'm in that position, I'll be more comfortable in this prison. So maybe if I'm in that position, I can run things the way I'm comfortable with living.

So what did you change once you became that order? change nothing. I just made things more cleaner, more respectful, more, you know. Now, the head orderly, could you turn it into a hustle, like where you're selling bunks and assignments and everything like that? Hell yeah. Hell yeah. How does that work? Can you imagine a millionaire that's in the feds telling you, listen, I need my own room, I need quiet, I don't need no weirdos, I don't need no gang activity, no, no, no smoking. Man, I give you $15,000.

Give me in that room. I'm going to be here. I'm not going to it. Give me in that room. Guys would actually pay you $15,000. They probably pay you more than that. But has that happened to you? Who?

That's people paid you. I don't know. That's crazy. I mean, I've seen, I didn't realize it was that much money. I'd seen, like, I know I paid the orderly to put me on a certain bunk, but it was like. A hundred or two. Yeah, a hundred or two were also. The job.

Who were you dealing with? Like a regular person? No, the sales dues or something. The head Mexican orderly? Oh, yeah. Was he like still tied to the streets or was it like? Oh, no, he wasn't tied to. There we go.

Yeah. He was just a guy that's been there for like 20 years. Nah, so he got like, yeah, whatever. But yeah, it's all, yeah. $100 or $200 is still good. Yeah. So that was your prison hustle or did you have more? It wasn't really my hustle, but that's not, they'll come to you like that.

Even like if people feel they can't live. And sell with the guy that comes to you. You make a little hundred, you know. Now, do people that don't get with that program start dropping kites and cause problems? Oh, yeah. You know, come on, you know that. Yeah.

Did you have beef with, like, the Mexicans? I know they dropped a lot of kites. Like, in our unit, it was a lot of beef, like the whites versus the Mexicans. No. Any type of beef or anything, we always, like, talk about it before anything happens because everybody was willing to go up.

So it's like, let's try to like talk about it real quick because if we don't, this group, that everybody's willing to go up. So it's like. Now, were you a part of the New York car? Is that who you ran with? Damn, I was a part of the New York car. Yeah, and the blood car too. Oh, they had that blood car?

Yeah. Can you explain what a car is in prison? A car is like, wherever you're from, that's who you roll with. Like if you're from Pennsylvania, you're with the Pennsylvania guys. If you're from Detroit, you're with them. And if you white, you're with the white guys. If you're black, you're with the black guys. If you're gay, I guess you're with the gay guys.

It's like, wherever you're from, that's who you would. That's who you sit with at the table when you got a slot in the work. out pit, that's who you go over there with, and that's just how it goes. Were there a lot of sex offenders on that yard? Shit. Damn, man. When you, well, when I went to prison, I never knew that that stuff goes on that much in this world. The federal system is filled with sex offenders, man, and you would never believe that

that really, like, you might see it on a movie or something or something. But you would never believe that that stuff really goes on like that. With kids and stuff like, not even with grown women. With kids, though. How would you deal with that in your unit? Me personally? Yeah. One sex offender in my unit, I actually, I went in the cell and I had my laundry bag

and I pitted in a cell and I told them, look, this is the laundry bag. everything that's in that locker put it in the laundry bag and I didn't really talk and I left or whatever whatever he had in there I didn't want to touch him because I knew he couldn't

like do nothing with me or nothing so I didn't really want to abuse him or nothing no did he so I just told him like you know put all his shit in there and get the fuck out of here you know what I'm saying? Did he give it to you?

Yeah he went he did that he got on like a little lawyer phone and he called his lawyer and told his lawyer listen I can't live out here in here. Damn police ran in the fucking unit and shit.

Yeah. Did he snitch on you? No. But what would they do? They took him. Oh, they took him? Yeah. Oh, wow.

Would that happen a lot? What you mean? With the sex offenders? Some of them would drop a slip on you and let you know to don't mess with them because the police will let you know that the police protects them more than you. So you have to like back up.

Why do you think they're protected so much in federal prison? Because they work for the police. They work in the kitchen. They work in the schools, the libraries and stuff like that. They work in them. They're comfortable as their house. No, did they have certain rules in the unit? Like I know in our units, they had to sit in the back of the TV room.

They couldn't be in the room. And you're, you was in a low or can't? I was at a low first. And you're low. They let them in the TV room. Yeah, in the back of it. No, actually, when I first went to the prison, the unit I went to, they used to let them in the TV room,

like standing against the wall like that. But I changed that. I kicked all in the mouth. Yeah, that's what they were allowed. I'm surprised the police didn't come and, like, send me in the box or nothing like that. Because I changed the whole. I said, listen, no, we're not doing that, bro.

There's nowhere in hell that I'm going to be sitting here watching TV. I did it for like a few months and stuff. But, no. Wait, so what happens? Tell us that story. We all got together every car that was in the unit, race or whatever, Spanish gangs, whatever, whatever. And I told him, listen, we're going to tell all these faggots the head chomo is what they call them, child molasses. They can't come in here no more.

And that's what happened. So they actually had a head chomo? Oh, hell yeah, hell yeah. Hell yeah. And people respect this guy or? No, people, no, no. His chomos, but not people. nobody outside of that.

And who assigned him? Like they all got together? Oh, yeah. Wow. Because see, when something go on with them, you just don't want to attack one because you probably catch a new charge or something like that.

So you want to have one that you can go tell. Yeah, listen, tell you, man, I'm going to slap his fucking head off. Tell them the fucking, go in the selling locker's door. Somebody, I don't want to talk to them. So you got to have one of them that could go tell him, talk to him, you know.

Do you spend your whole bid at that one prison? Yeah. Yeah. What would a typical day be like for you from the time you wake up to the time you go to bed? It was cool. It was cool. I was making money. I was the head orderly.

You know, it was cool. And you would work out and? Work out. Tattoos, you know. You did tattoos? No, no, no. I could get, you know, you could get tattoos. smoking.

It was cool. Did you mess with K2 at all? Hold on wait. Okay. Yeah, I did smoke K2. I'm not even going to lie about that. Did it mess you up? Oh, yeah, I was, holy moly.

I was hit. Did they do what we did in Fortex where you'd put a chair in the bathroom for the guys that would, like, smoke the K2? Guys that would get, like, what they call it up. The ones that really be messed up? Yeah. Have you seen some bad instance?

over there? Yeah, hell yeah. What do you think was the worst one you saw? I seen a guy, like, go on the floor and act like he was a fish and started, like, swimming with, like, no water and stuff like that. I seen a guy, like, stripped, butt-necked and, like, run around the place. I seen the guys, like, throw up, pit their head in the toilet. Now, for a guy, like, you that had never been to a maximum security prison,

are you, like, walking around your flip-flops? Oh, no, no, no. So you still follow strict rules? I don't even own a pay of flip-flops. Like, no. I probably use them to go in the shower, but not hell. Because I know, like, guys that had never been to a max before would just walk around and... No.

Who taught you that? Did someone teach you that? Or you just learned it. I told myself that. Hell no. Why is that? That's just what it is. Now, were you a guy in prison that would go to chow-hall to eat, or are you cooking up commissary or paying someone to do it?

Both. I go to the Chowallah to eat and cook too. What was your favorite meal in the Chow Hall? Oh, the chicken. Chicken Thursdays. Yeah, you know that. The fish. Yeah, the fish ticks were good, too.

Yeah. And they switched to fish patty at one point, it was really good. Yeah, yeah. It had like hot ones too, right? Yes, the hot ones were really good, too. Throw a slice of cheese on it. Yeah. Now what about Commissary?

What kind of meals were they cooking? I was making like, you know the egg rolls? I've heard people say they can make egg rolls, but I've never seen one made. How does that get made? No ditty. I'm going to make you one, but no ditty. They're good.

I still make them. How do you guys make it? With the soup, you put like macros, onions, shabangs, everything in the middle of it, roll it up and eat it. It's good. Would you pay people to cook for you? Actually, yeah, hell yeah.

I had a guy on contract to make me rice. He had the best rice on a compound. Like, it had everything in it. He worked in the kitchen, so his rice was like A1. Now, what do you mean by on contract for the audience? I pay him weekly. So once a week he brings me the rice cook. And how do you pay him?

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Stamps, cash app, whatever. Were stamps the currency there? Yeah. Individual or it's a whole book of stamps? Either or whatever. And what about macros? Yeah. They were the currency too. Macrels wore currency until they stopped. They stopped that. Macros wasn't. They stopped it. Who stopped at? Like the inmates? Yeah, the inmates because they would get old and stuff.

Yeah, when an old mackerel is sitting there it gets all watery. It's gross. It's just like all oil. The stamps were good though. We didn't use individual stamps. We just used books of stamps. But it is crazy how Cash App is huge in prison. Yeah. I heard a cash app for the first time in prison.

Yeah. A lot of people call home and have their girlfriends and parents cash at money and stuff. To other people? Yeah. But you got to do that on the cell phone.

You can't go on the wall phone and say cash up. Some people do it. But they get jammed up, right? Or do you don't think they're... Sometimes, yeah, sometimes no. It's like 50-50. Yeah.

Are there a lot of fights on that compound? The compound that I was in, if it was fights, It'll be like in the room where the police won't know about it. So, yeah. But overall people don't want to get kicked off that yard. Yeah. How many people are on that yard?

Shit. 1,500,000. Which is kind of on the smaller side for a prison? That's a lot of people. Fort Dix has 5,000. Oh, damn. Yeah, it's 2,500 each side. Damn.

Oh, no, no, no. The one I was at has nothing on Fort. There's no. If it's that much people not. Just one chow hall and. Yeah. And what are they rotated out by building? By sides.

By side. Oh, there's two sides? Yeah. Okay. And how many buildings, like living buildings are there? Two. Oh, there's just two buildings? Yeah.

And is it dorm style? Yeah. Dorm, yeah. So, and you were running the one building you were in? I wasn't really running it. I was like. The head order. Yeah.

Okay. Are there a lot of gang members and those types of crimes in the prison? Or is everyone kind of just straight away from it? No, it's a lot of gang members, different. type of gangs. You have all kind of gangs now. But no one beefs with each other? In the feds? Yeah, in the prison. Everything is like structure. So, you know, you can't really beef. If you got beef, you got to handle it all. You just can't be living in the feds thinking you got beef with somebody. You're going to handle it or you're going to leave it alone.

Did you go into prison bitter? Like, were you mad about your situation or was it, it is what it is? I wasn't mad about nothing. It was what it was. What was your mindset? What What were you thinking about for the future? I wasn't even thinking about the future. What were you thinking about? Like, what's going on right now? What about your kid? What was going on with him while you were away?

No matter, like, what situation I'm in, my kid is going to always be straight. Like, I could be broke and he's always going to have. So no matter if I'm in jail and, like, my kid is like, how. having a problem or something like that, financially meant whatever, I'm going to make sure the problem get fixed. So that comes before anything, no matter where I could be like. Did he come and visit you? No, because they, you know, no.

You kept that separate? I didn't really keep it separate, but I didn't really need visits. As long as he was good and stuff like that. I didn't really want him to see me in places like them. You know, I'm mad if I'm there. So. Did you feel bad? No, I didn't feel bad.

It is what it. How do your mom feel about you being in prison? You know how moms feel the same way. Probably your mother felt, you know. But what can she do? What about your dad? My father passed away. I'm sorry to hear that.

Thanks. Now, what else, did anything else significant happen during your prison stay? Like what? Any good stories or situations. You know I was with Jeffrey Epstein? You were with Epstein? Oh, at MCC. Yeah, when he, we was in solitary confinement together tonight.

He supposedly killed himself or whatever. Like he was your cellmate? No, no, no. Like, I was here and he was there. But I could look out my window and see him right there. Did you ever talk to him at all? We like, people screamed at him and stuff, you know, when he came out to go to where he was going and stuff like that.

But, yeah, he said slick stuff back myself. Yeah, you guys gave him a hard time probably. Not me, really. I was, it was like entertainment for me. The prison of other people did. The other inmates did. Yeah. Did he have a sell me or no, no, no, no.

Why do you think he? No, no. When he committed a legend, what suicide or whatever, I think he had. a cellmate at that time. Oh, there was someone in a cell. I think, I don't know. But right before that, he didn't have a cellmate where he was at with us. Is that normal to not have a cellmate?

If you, like, under suicide watch or you stick it up and don't want no cellmate. Why were you in the shoe at that time? Well, we had took a picture and we told somebody, like, don't post a picture. we sent it home and the person post the picture but they had tagged MCC federal Instagram into the picture

yeah that shit that whole thing went left wait like a picture on a cell phone a picture in my cell on the cell phone yeah why would someone do that do what post it unbelievable we the only text we text we text them was

do not post that's all we were so you were just sending it to say, hey, like, look where we're at. Do you see the viral picture of Diddy right now? Yeah. I think he's going to get into trouble for that. Same thing happened to me. Yeah.

See, okay, cool. You see the way his picture was, my picture was just like that. Within 24 hours, you know where I was at for six months? Solitary confinement. Now, Diddy may not get in trouble because it was the other guy clearly taking the picture. Don't matter. Don't matter. Because he was smiling.

Look at it. The lady told me, they didn't even catch a cell phone. The lady told me, we're going to. going to give you, we're going to take your visits because you're posing in the picture. So by him smiling in the picture like that, that makes them think there is a phone. Like he's cool with a phone. He's smiling for a phone. So that's how they think. Now there are like on the actual compounds, there was like a prison photographer, but they don't normally go into the units. Oh, no, no, no. You only see them like on visits and stuff.

Okay. So you couldn't even argue to say that was the prison photographer that did that. In your cell? Yeah. Hell no. That was never allowed. Yeah, that Diddy photo is crazy. And whoever sold that to TMZ is making a lot of money.

Yeah. When I saw the picture, I'm like, damn. Because I had took a, we took a picture and it did the same shit. Oh, six nine co-defendants, take a picture in jail. Same shit. And we wound up in solitary confinement. All of us. Everybody that was in that picture was in.

solitary confinement immediately. And we was being under investigation because they didn't find the phone. So when you were in the shoe during the Epstein thing, what happens? Shit, regular, regular shoe shit. Like, you know, Epstein was in there.

El Chapo was, we was on the ninth floor. El Chapo was on the 10th floor above us. But the night he died, what happened? Shit, we was already locked down so they couldn't really lock us down anymore. So they was really trying to tell us, like, be quiet. You know, oh, no, no. They blocked our window.

You know, the little thing you look out your cell with the little window, they blocked everybody's thing. So we couldn't see if they was bringing the body or, you know. But you could probably hear the commotion growing up? You could hear the commotion. What were they saying? I wasn't paying no attention. I didn't really care.

How do you feel that he died? People shouts were, well, I don't know. He's what that has, man, nothing to do with me. Do you think he actually killed himself? Me, personally, my opinion? I don't know. I don't know. Do you think it's possible to kill yourself in a cell like that?

Yeah, hell yeah. Because what are you given? What's a standard issue? You have sheets, you have clothes. Yeah, you could probably do that with a sheet, I guess. I don't know. How are the beds laid out? They're on the wall, you know, connected to the wall.

Is there a spot you could technically hang yourself from on the bed? They're not high enough. But I don't know. Some people figure it out. Now, did you hear any commotion that night, like before he died? After. Nothing before.

No. Well, when they moved him off my unit, the side I was on, when they brought him out to cell, like, the commotion was people was like, hey, you fucking child molester. Like, certain inmates was, like, cursing the mountain shit. And he was like, are you a fucking convict or you're an inmate? Like he was saying the slick shit and shit. And that was it. After that, they moved him to like the other side over there.

And I didn't see him. Then that's the night he died. Well, whatever. Oh, they moved him that same night he died? Yeah. Do you think that was suspicious? I don't know. How are the guards there?

In the shoe. Yeah. The guards in there were like, they'll do anything for like money. and I just was that money. And the guards that got arrested for that. Didn't they get charged for that? Yeah. Did you know them personally?

Yeah. I didn't know them personally. But like you knew them and Pat, like they served you food probably. Yeah, I knew them. Like I was in solitary confinement like plenty of times. I knew them, yeah. Do you think that they actually jerked around and didn't do their jobs that night? Well, they never do their jobs.

So it's like a hundred percent chance that night they wasn't doing their jobs. I heard one of them was like shopping for furniture or something today on the internet while the guy was committing suicide or something like that. So what do you mean by not doing their jobs? What would you witness? You know, the inmates do more of running the prison than the police, you know? So, you know, I didn't really witness anything. How long was the prison on lockdown for after that incident? What, the Epstein?

Yeah. Probably a day or two. Oh, that's it. That's kind of short. The most prison was locked down for was when, remember when they brought the gun into the jail? That was at MCC? Yeah. Oh, you were there when that happened?

Yeah. So that was on the visiting room? No. Where did they bring the gun? I think they said they brought it to somebody's cell. Who brought the gun? I don't know. They said a C up brought it.

And how'd they find it? they're saying that inmate called his lawyer and told his lawyer that his cellie got a gun to get lower time or something like that. And they locked you guys all down right when that happened? They sent the whole prison to

most of the... Brokeland? No. The one in, like, New York, going towards New Jersey. Not Fort Dix, the other one. I don't know. It's a compound? Yeah.

I don't know. They sent you guys all from MCC. Yeah, they locked down the whole jail, kicked everybody out of the jail. They had Greyhound buses outside for everybody. So they could search the whole place? Yeah. Oh. And when that happened, did you guys go back?

Three weeks later, two weeks later. So you guys were on the compound or in the shoe? Compound. It was a whole, Otisville. They sent you guys to Otisville? Yep. Oh, the medium there? Whatever they said that's the oldest bill.

And were you mixing in with the other inmates? No. Oh, they had a separate. Yeah. That's a lot of inmates to move. That's crazy, bro. Can you know crazy? What year was this?

19. I didn't even know this was all a thing. That was crazy. Yeah, they sent the whole jail over there to search for the gun. They finally found the gun. Then we could come back. Yeah. Oh, so there was just a rumor that there was a gun.

No, they found the gun. No, but to do the search. Or they found the gun first. No, no, no, no. It was a rumor first because they found it when we. While you guys were gone. But I guess they rumor was like a fact to them. Yeah.

Yeah. That's crazy. I didn't know that whole thing happened. So what happened all your property and stuff? It just stays there. Man, shit. I wonder why they closed MCC. Yeah, we lost a lot of stuff.

You might have got, I don't know, a sweatsuit, that kind of that. What happened to people that were like going to trial or cases and stuff? They would get Boston. It was trying to move some of them in Brooklyn. I think all of that stopped for a minute because of that. And they closed MCC probably not too long after you left, right? Yeah. Even like with COVID, we was in MCC for a year.

Lockdown on COVID. Were you incarcerated for COVID? No, I got out the year before, luckily. You luckily, man. Were you an MCC for COVID? Yeah, for the whole year. Oh, wow. What was that like there during COVID?

Man, that shit was horrible. Man. Like you locked down the whole day Just like in the cell no movement Some of the police not even coming to work So you just like you might be locked down all day Like nothing you better have some food to yourself Yeah what do they do when they're short staff

They just lock you guys down yeah That sucks Pitch of you screaming out there nobody coming You're talking to nobody No officers there so they can't let out no orderly there's no inmate to help you because the police not there

and let them out so you stuck that's when you learn how to fish you know with the ID fishing under the door thing right there yeah under the door you know you was doing it yeah I was in the shoe for a a lot of the times so you know about that yeah so what would you guys fish for

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I guess you're limited on what you could do. Yeah. But that wasn't the shoe itself. That was the actual units. Oh, yeah, the actual unit. Yeah, either or. They're not going to do too much if you're smoking. Do you think the shoe time messed you up mentally at all?

Yeah. The shoe time, I was in the shoe for a year, total time of my five and a half years. And like now, I think that, like, it was a time in the shoe where I used to have, like, parties, like, by myself. Like, like, I used to think that I was, like, having parties, like, dancing. Just to try to stay, like, when I was in there, it was like I was drifting into nothing, just, like, drifted to nothing, you know? So I used to try to act like I hear music and stuff. It just, you know. Did you get into the shoe at all while you were on the actual compound that you're,

Designated prison? Hell yeah. For what? For, I was, you know how they gamble, the ticket guy? I was working for the head guy doing the tickets, and I ran out the unit to go get somebody bet. They was betting on the game. And I forgot that I had deuce and stamps in my pocket.

A whole bunch of stamps in my, I forgot. So the officer, he's like, hey, where the hell are you going? How the hell you're just running past me like that? I'm like, oh, shit. So then when he searched me, I had all that shit in my pocket. Wow. Yeah. And they put you in the shoe for that.

Hell, yeah. And how come you're getting kicked off to a higher security prison after that? Because I was the orderly, and then my points was, like, real low. So it was like, even if they go up, I didn't have enough points to go nowhere. What does Deuce K2 look like? It looks like pepper. Pepper? Yeah.

Some of it looks like pepper. Can it sometimes be like sprayed on a sheet of paper? Yeah, some of it is a pep, you know, the spray stuff, yeah. And they stop that, like when they ban letters. I remember they... Yeah, but they still get that in it. Somehow, they still get that. How many times were you in the shoe?

On the compound. On the compound? One time for the do's thing? That's it. On the compound once. So when you get near the end of your sentence, what do you think about for the future? I'm thinking about like, you know, going home, not coming back and stuff like that. And, you know, yeah.

What do you want to do for work? Say that again? What do you want to do for work? Well, actually, now I'm a rope access technician, right? I do construction. Yeah. So that's what I do now. But were you thinking about that when you were getting out?

No. No. What were you thinking about? I was just thinking about getting it. Now you end up doing on seven years. How long do you do five and a half? Yeah. And I did eight months and a halfway house or something like that. What's the halfway house like in New York?

The halfway house is like a test because the people that work there, they test you. But if you've been to prison, I guess you could pass any tests, I guess. Was it hard? No, no, no. And was it hard to find work once you got out of prison? Actually, I went into the CEO program. They pay you $80 a day to go clean up the projects and stuff like that. So I went through that.

They gave you trainings. I got my OSHA and all that type of stuff. What was the hardest aspect about rebuilding your life? Finding housing. Getting somebody to live. What's that process like for someone that's a felon? They don't really have too much to do with your record. They have much to do with your financial.

So they don't necessarily care about the record? Some places, yeah. What about the notoriety of your case? Because you were tied into 6-9, it's everywhere. You know, you search your name. That shit is horrible, bro. Yo, man, I went to get a job for Nysha, right? And the lady tells me, hey, go get your disposition and bring it back to the next interview.

So when I bring it back and I give it to her, I didn't even really read it. So I guess she read it. And I guess it says all my co-defendants, everything they did, everything I did everything is on this thing. So she read it. She was like, listen, we cannot hire you here. Then when I got home, I read it. I said, oh, shit.

What is this? I'm sure there's a lot of people in your position, too, that get stuck on these big cases that are kind of lower level players on it and it follows them. The word, RICO, don't look good on a disposition and you're giving it to, like, somebody trying to get a job. How are you able to get past that?

I got into a program called Brunks Reentry in the Bronx and I had my OSHA I had my OSHA and my certificates and they sent me to an intern day and I got my job through that and then I started

the lady that actually told me she couldn't hire me because of my disposition stuff now I actually make more money than her. And now you're starting the clothing line too. Yes. My boy, 20, they from New Britain and them, they're broken them. They've been doing the clothing line thing.

But, you know, I like what he doing and stuff like that. So, you know, I just add my two cents to it. But this is all his creation. Like, I just add my two cents to it. Are you careful who you hang around now? I don't really hang around people. Like if you're not doing constructive things, I don't hang around people. Like, I'm good by myself.

Like, you got to be doing something constructive. Conversations that's like, that's not constructive, give me headaches. Like, they don't even, you know, when I hear them, it gives me headache. I don't, you know, indulge and stuff like that. Why do you think you didn't know that earlier on in life? Because that's kind of what got you into trouble. Yeah, that's a good.

I don't know why. But it's a good thing that I learned that. You know. What are some of the other lessons you've learned along your journey? That, should I learn that you just got, you got to, you got to know, like, who you're dealing with. And, you know, you got to know where you're going in life, man. You got to know that your life and everything could, like, change and, like, half of a second, man. When you know that, you'll be more cautious with your movements.

What advice would you give to your teenage self? My teenage self? Yeah. I wouldn't really give myself no advice because most of the stuff that I learned and went through as a teenager, I needed to go through that to turn it to the person that I am. So the advice probably would have slowed it down. So I'm glad, you know. And where does the name Fu Bangor come from? Actually, my name is Fu Kwan, right?

And two guys that I know. they used to call me fool and they gave me that name. Like I just, one day I seen him and he was like, Foo Banger, and I'm like, okay. I'm ram with it.

And I like the shirt. That's federal food. Yeah, yeah, jacket, man. That's a fresh jacket. This is my new name. Like, Fubbanger, rest in peace, the Fubbanger. Retired.

Yeah, this is like a new person, new name, you know, because actually, I'm still on like federal probation and stuff. So, and then, you know, when I get off, for probation, you know, they still be watching stuff like that.

So I will be, you see, the United States. It's like them against, we're not against each other. It's just that, you know, I'm tied into that for probably forever, rest of my life, you know. You know how the feds are. Yeah, I got it. As long as 6'9 is like on the internet making fake things like he's getting robbed and stuff and acting like criminal activities going on, they'll always be watching us, me, all of us, you know. Do you think he actually got robbed at his house?

No. Why? If you have enough money to, like, buy a minch and a condo and stuff like that, I'm quite sure you have enough money to buy, like, security cameras and stuff like that. So that's all bullshit. He does that too because he's going to court and he's trying to make the judge feel sorry for, like a little baby, the little pussy that he is. Yeah, I thought that was a little strange.

It's weird. It's, like, stupid. And the camera's position. I thought it was criminal. Like, how can you... fake a robbery in your house and some guys with your mother? Like, who does that? But, you know, those types of things, if it is fake, it's going to come undone.

Like, look at all the people that have been accused of that type of stuff and it ruins them. Me, personally, I don't think that's real because you spend all that money on a house or whatever you do and people could just get in your house like that. You don't have one security guard. You don't have a alarm or your mother. I don't know. That guy's crazy. Yeah, it is. If you fake a robbery and add your mother for content, you're crazy.

Have you talked to them since? No, no, no, I can't. I would never talk to them. I can't talk to them about stuff like that. I want to, no, I can't talk to them. Yeah. Yeah. Well, stay away from that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, Foo, I appreciate you coming on the show today, man. Yep, thank you, man. Yeah, thank you for reaching out and keep doing your thing. Yep, likewise.