Locked In with Ian Bick - Georgia Crip on Selling Drugs, Surviving Prison & Check Fraud | Ramirez Grable

Episode Date: October 14, 2025

Ramirez Grable grew up in Georgia with a father who worked as a correctional officer — but despite that, the streets pulled him in early. After his parents divorced when he was just 16, Ramirez’s life started to spiral. By 15, he was already locked up in juvenile detention for breaking and entering. What began as small crimes quickly escalated into drug dealing, gun charges, and ultimately, a long stretch in federal prison. #PrisonStories #StreetLife #GeorgiaPrison #TrueCrimeInterviews #GangCulture #RedemptionStory #LockedInPodcast #SurvivingPrison Connect with Ramirez Grable: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0CChNdz080eXxA665gTHbw Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Shop Locked In Merch: http://www.ianbick.com/shop Timestamps: 00:00 – Intro: From Georgia Streets to Federal Prison 00:41 – Growing Up in Georgia: Family, Struggles & Early Influences 05:37 – Finding Escape Through YouTube & Music 12:12 – Childhood Challenges: Bullying, Rebellion & Fitting In 19:47 – First Arrest: Juvenile Detention & Criminal Beginnings 30:53 – Escalation: Drugs, Burglaries & County Jail Chaos 38:39 – Parole Violations & The Infamous MySpace Arrest 47:52 – Inside Prison: Gangs, Politics & Surviving the System 54:26 – Federal Prison Reflections: The Moment Everything Changed 01:00:29 – Freedom, Legit Business & Falling Back Into the Streets 01:08:56 – Probation, Relapse & the Confidential Informant Drug Bust 01:17:51 – Learning the Game: Check Fraud & Street Scams 01:27:00 – Running the Operation: Printing Checks & Cashing Big 01:36:01 – Mistakes, Arrests & Beating the Charges 01:42:03 – Redemption: Building a New Life Through Content Creation 01:50:30 – Scamming the Rapper, Regret & Moving Forward 01:51:01 – Final Reflections: Manifestation, Mindset & Second Chances Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I'm listening to rap music at 14 and I grew up in the 90s. And I'm thinking that everything these rappers is saying is for real. What do you think ultimately stopped you at the end from not snitching? I'm the first person that go to jail from my space. So did you join the gang because of prison? The back door, the car opens up, bro. Dude with a mask on just put a gun on. He's like, get in the car.

Ramirez Grable grew up the son of a correctional officer. But by 15, he was already in juvenile detention for breaking and entering. What started as a few bad choices turned into 15 years behind bars. drug charges, and check fraud schemes across state lines. This is a story of how fast life can spiral when the streets take over. Capo, welcome to Lockton, man. Thanks so much for coming out here today. I appreciate you, bro.

From Philly, right? So I'm from Atlanta. Well, I'm not from Atlanta. I'm from Georgia. A town maybe 45 minutes to an hour south of Atlanta called Millishville. But I did live in Atlanta for a little while too. But now, right now I'm in Philadelphia. All right, awesome.

Yeah, Philly. Yeah, Philly. I like Philly. I ain't going to lie. I like Philly. I like the economy. Yeah. So good cheese sticks out there?

Great cheese sticks. You tried Joey Merlino's cheese stick yet? I did. Yeah, I want to try it. Banging. Yeah. They got the best cheese steak. Even when you go to, like, the smaller little ones that you might not heard about,

they know how to make cheese sticks in Philly for sure. Yeah, it just looks good. Like, they got the social media game on point right now. No, for sure. I got to get myself out there. They got good food. like Philly has food that people in Georgia

never heard of like I'm from the country country like I tell you I'm from a town south of Atlanta so I call my daughter she's 20 years old I said about I get a hoagie she's like what's a hoagie

because they call it subs sandwiches yeah we call them subs up here yeah so she's like what's a hoagie you know what I'm saying that one is she don't know she don't know what a stromboli is you know so I know what a stromboli is

yeah plug in your YouTube channel You're a fellow YouTuber. You've been making content, doing your thing. Yeah, bro. So the crazy thing about the YouTube thing is, so I started out rapping, right? Since I was eight years old, I've been writing rhymes.

You know what I'm saying? My mom told me, since I'm seven, eight writing rhymes. And I want to say, 2016, I tried to take rap series, but I was still one foot in and throughout the streets, you know what I'm saying? So I started making videos, spending a lot of my street money, on music videos.

I don't know YouTube. I don't know the algorithm. I'm just thinking that rappers are just blowing up on YouTube. I don't know where, because they're dropping videos. It don't work that way. It's algorithm.

It's titles. It's all type of. You know, you've got to build an audience. It's all type of. But long story short, I made all these rap videos on YouTube. They didn't do what I wanted them to do. The people around me love my music.

I got 100,000 streams on Spotify, stuff like that. But it didn't do what I wanted to do for the money on it. So I said, man, you know what? I'm cool off YouTube. I'm going to buy a feature from a big rapper, and then I'm going to come back to music and blow up like that.

I'm going to figure out how to blow up, right? So I left YouTube alone, and then one day I was watching Wallo 267 for Minds for Ruffer Game. He went to another podcast, and he told them, he said, hey, man, do y'all use YouTube shorts? And they was like, no.

He said, well, if you use YouTube shorts, you probably get a lot of engagement. it's a new thing they just started and it'll make your channel grow and I'm just sending home one day like let me just try this so this certain rapper was in the media

that they about some jail allegations so I just made a post about it as a short I'm like yo is this true or false about this rapper I put the phone now no cap in about three hours later

I picked the phone up we got like 8,000 views I'm like what the because I didn't even know at that time YouTube had shorts, this was like 2020. You feel me? So I don't know they even had shorts, so I'm like

8,000 views. The third short that I did went viral. It did a half a million views. It got me 3,000 subscribers. And I've been on YouTube ever since, bro. That's incredible. Yeah, that's kind of similar to my story. You just got to post that video, you know, and then be consistent. And that's the hardest part

for everyone. And take advice. I saw somebody on another video say, use a short. And I'm a rapper, but I just used a short. just talking and it went crazy. So I stayed in that lane for a while because I'm like, you know what? I'm going to just build me an audience that likes me for me.

So whenever I do want to drop music again, I got my own audience who's going to love it. You know what I'm going to or who at least going to check it out and listen to it. So right now I'm not doing music right now. I'm just interviewing people and just, I do other type streams. I go live with my audience.

I don't know. We super chat and talk, conversate, but stuff like that. Yeah, a lot of people are afraid to use shorts. Because a lot of, like, the YouTubers that were so set on using, you know, the widescreen video. And then when shorts came along, they were, there's a lot of YouTubers still to this day that don't use shorts. They miss him out. Yeah. That's how you grow.

I have a second YouTube channel that nobody knows his mind. It's faceless. I'm just growing it for a certain audience. But right now it has a thousand subscribers, right? I only put shorts on it. And I only had it for 65 days. I just post one short, two shorts every day on this side. channel short clips every day every day and those shorts is what got me to

thousand subscribers so people are losing out yeah tell us about your childhood what was that like um I grew up and like I said a small town south of Atlanta um mom dad in my household up until I was 16 um but my whole childhood was good my mom was a school teacher my dad was a correction officer ironically And he eventually became a counselor, then a deputy warden of a prison, my dad, for sure. And I had a good childhood, bro. Then my mom and my dad got divorced when I was like 16. It hurt me, you know what I'm saying?

I didn't say it as a teen. I didn't know how to express that. Like, I didn't grow up learning how to express my feelings. Like in the hood, well, I grew up at, people don't do that. If you're a guy, you don't express your feelings. So I thought there was a real thing as a child. You know what I'm saying? I know it's not now.

But so my dad left and I'm just mad, but I don't know how to let it out. And I became just crazy, I think, around that point. Was your dad strict on you because he worked in corrections? I'm not going to say he was strict on me, but he definitely didn't tolerate me doing it. Like, he's no drugs, no alcohol, none of that, you know what I'm saying? I come in house at this certain time. So, yeah, like, he was a real father, too. Like, he took care of me.

But what happened is this. My mom ended up going back to school while she was still teaching because she wanted to do more for herself. And my dad was going to work every day, but he also was like a party or nightlife type of guy. So I had a lot of time to myself. And I used to get a bullet in. Like I used to get a bullet in, like when I was like 12, 11,

because I'm from the country. And I've never seen people smoke cigarettes. never seen people smoke weed none of that so when I moved to a bigger town like fifth grade they're in the bathroom smoking you want to hit this I'm like no they're like punk you're scared like it was it was a whole um culture shock to me because I'm like I'm from this country but I never seen people's kids smoking like my mom told me to say no the drugs I'm not doing none of that and um that caused me to get picked on a little bit get bullied I had nice clothes nice everything so of course kids jealous of me you know because I'm going to the public schools that's

right by the projects, you know what I'm saying? So every kid is not as fortunate as I was. But that turned me to a madman, bro. I wanted to be cool. I wanted to fit in. So if I started getting bullied, I started beating up kids, and I seen that, oh, I could beat up kids down. Then eventually I was just being somebody I wasn't, bro.

I was trying to be cool, and I started doing all the things that they was doing. Now I'm fighting. Now, not everybody, my friend, but then that became me. I'm trying to fit in with these. people and I'm not even like these people but that became who I really was that's crazy did your dad tell you stories about corrections at all or did he tell you about his job nope my dad was a guy that though he don't come home and talk about work he don't my dad is the type of guy like my dad born in the 50s um his father died I'm not his father ain't died his father wasn't in his life

and his mom died when he was like nine months old My dad actually never saw his mother, actually. They didn't have no pictures back then. I couldn't afford them. So he just never talked about anything for real, for real. But he was a fun guy, like he would come home and tell jokes and play with his kids. But when it comes to life and work and problems, he didn't ever express none of that stuff. Do you think if he did, you wouldn't have gotten into that trouble you're just describing?

Yeah. And my dad would say, listen, man, I go to work every day. And then somebody in there that's 18 years old, they got 40 years for the same thing. just did yesterday. I probably would have thought about it. So do you end up graduating high school? What happens next? Mm-mm. I got a GED in prison. So, in my first time in jail was 15. In Georgia, they had what they call, or at least back then, probably still do. R.YDCs, a youth detentional center. You put on orange, just like an adult, and you'd be locked up with kids. It's not like in

Pennsylvania is different. Like where I live now, they have like centers, but they got their regular clothes on. Now, in Georgia, at 15, you got on orange, you're in a jail. That's my first experience with, I'm with jail. How'd you end up in jail at 15? Burglaries. So when I was telling you that I had a lot of time at home

when I was like 14, 15 years old, I'm listening to rap music and I want people to hear this when I say this. I'm listening to rap music at 14, and I grew up in the 90s. And I'm thinking that everything these rappers are saying is for real. In my mind, it's a 14-year-old kid, whatever they're saying, they're living like that. And that was appealing to me.

So I was living like what the rappers were saying. Little did I know, they're not doing that. They're rapping. They're successful. They're doing their own tour. How can they be doing that? And I'm a child. So I'm doing what the rappers say, bro, I'm really selling drills.

I'm really smoking weed. I'm just whatever Tupac say, I'm doing that shit at that time. And yeah, so I was breaking their houses because I had a weed habit. Breaking their houses so I can smoke weed. And I got caught. I went to jail. They gave me probation.

And I ain't learned from that. How would you break into the houses? This is crazy. I think I told this on Matt Cox, too. I used to target people in my neighborhood, bro. I was a real, I was a horrible person, bro. horrible. Say you move in my neighborhood and you knew I'm a 14 year old kid who I'm not um I'm easy on the eyes some may say so if I walk up to an adult hey how you doing man you knew in the

neighborhood what's your name yeah I'm Ramirez I'm in seventh I'm in ninth grade whatever blah blah blah yeah you got kids yeah ooh come on in man and that's how Georgia is everybody that welcome you in their house in Georgia come on in now I come in I'm looking at your everything PS5 laptop But I'm talking Yeah And then

What do you work at What time do you go to work No For real my cousin worked there Alright she's going to work tomorrow I'll be here at 415 That's why I was living bro Horrible person bro

When I got caught Got comfortable bro I used to go in people's houses And like make food and stuff like that Like I'm breaking your house And then make something to eat I, like, cut your stove on them. Because I know you've been at work from four to six.

You told me. Yeah, I'm cooking. Like, it was crazy, bro. How would you get into the actual house? Probably, at that time, my life screwdriver, hammer, crowbar. Especially in Georgia. Like, where I'm from, in Millicville, it's a whole lot of trailers. And it's a whole lot of mobile homes.

And them doors, you know, bro, you can jammy that with a butter knife out. almost to get in. If it was a home, like, say, in a nice area, most of, right now, 90% of the time in any country town in Georgia, wanders up in all the houses because they're not expecting them about, like, me to come in their house. In the city, that's not, it's not like that.

In the country towns in Georgia, everybody wander up, everybody's doing luck. Because their cousin might come over and want something to eat, and they can just come in and, like, that's how the South is. It's very family urgency, like, People don't lock their doors because their family members might come over. And, like, it's just, it's weird like that. But, you know, going to somebody's house coming out with these book bags.

And I think somebody in their neighborhood has seen me. He called the cops. So when I walk home with the book bags, the neighbor himself tried to stop me. He pulls up, like, yo, put that stuff down. I pull a knife out. So he leaves me alone. I get away. By the time I get back to my house, FBI is detected.

They're swarming. And me and the guys on the kids, We ended up getting caught, and that's how I went to RYDC at 15. Those two guys were already on probation, so they had to go do like 90 days in boot camp. I ended up getting probation. I only had to stay in jail like three weeks. I came home. I came home, choked out for a little while, I went right back to doing burglaries, got caught again.

Me and some friends went in the garage, we stole some power tools. One of the guys went to go pawned, we got the money. At this point, I'm 17. I'm in high school still because I keep going to jail, so I'm getting put back. I'm still in ninth grade at 17, like a dummy. But I'm very intelligent, bro, but you would think I was a dummy. Like, I'm 17 in ninth grade still, but that's how much trouble I was getting in. But anyway, my friend Pondit Tools, and he gets caught, he's on camera, the dude who we stole it from,

goes to all the pawn shops, looking for his stuff, of course. He tells him everybody that was with him that come to school, get me. Like, oh, you're 17 now? You're going to BBJ. I'm like, BBJ, what is that? And like, you're going to a big boy jail. I'm like, what you mean? They're like, yeah, in the state of Georgia at age 17,

you go to the county jail with the grown men. And a lot of states not like that. Pennsylvania not like that. But in Georgia, 17, grown men, you're going to the county jail. Went to the county jail. And I just kept getting slaps on the wrist, bro, and I'm just, I'm hard-headed. I was, at that age, I had been so influenced by music.

I had been so influenced by the, culture around me drugs. I really thought I could beat the system. I was okay I'm gonna do it better next time. I get out. I'm gonna do it better so just how I got caught I'm gonna do it different. So I get out and I move away from the burglaries and I ease into drugs. Just never forget this true story bro this guy. So at this point like I said I'm 17 I went to jail already now I'm just in the streets doing what I want to do my mom she's going to school she's working my daddy he's the divorced my mom at this point he ain't around so i got all this time to myself this is my house for real for me my mom work and go to school so much this is my house kind of like so now

i'm selling drugs out the house people pulling up in her yard all day long buying drugs it's like crazy she's you ever want to see but this is what i'm doing from 17 to uh night to 18 maybe 19 no 18 i'm sending drugs sending drugs finally uh i sell it informant some drugs The cops come back, keep my mom's door in, bro. Put her on the ground, too. She wasn't there when they raided the house, but she pulled in the yard while the love is going on. They just drought down.

Get out of the car, get on the ground. This is her house. I don't know. I'm not there at the time, though. My brother was there. A couple of my friends were there. It was a whole drug, but we selling drugs out of my mom's house. My mom is at work.

She's at school, so this is the trap. My mom's the trap. At 17 years old, that's what I was doing. So they came, they raided. My brother went to jail. Two of my friends went to jail. When I get home, I went to the studio that night. I got home, my mom was in the chair.

She was crying. The whole house is flipped over. She's like, yeah, your brother in jail, your friend in jail. And they want you to turn yourself in there in jail. I'm like, why? She's like, they found drugs in your room. I'm like, no, I ain't no drugs in my room. She's like, yeah, they did.

True story. I go outside to my stash, get my drugs, show my mom. These are my drugs. or she's like well either brother or somebody threw them in your room right when they were right in the house so I had to go turn myself in the person who drugs that they found in my room

felt bad for me came to the jail and told the cops those were my drugs I threw in his room they wanted me so bad in the cops told her get out of here it was a female too get out of here

you crazy we know this guy he's a drug dude no no get out of here it's his drugs they wouldn't even let her do it like it was wild and I'm so young at the time I don't know my rights I ain't got no money for a lawyer

none of that so I do I get a year for that they found some crack and they found the gun that didn't work so they gave me theft by receiving stolen property possession of crack

I do a year for that so now I get out of it with 19 it don't stop it don't stop there any I'm gonna do it better I'm gonna do it better and 19 stay out for about six months I get I get I go to jail for dirty urine back then in Georgia you get one

dirty urine it's a week you get two it's 30 days the third one you go back to jail I get a dirty urine I go back to jail when I was in jail I cried to my PO so much he was like I'm gonna see me to rehab so I end up going to a long-term rehab for six months came home and I stayed out of trouble for a while bro until I was like 21 from 19 to 21, I stayed out of trouble. And my mom, she was so stressed out. She was so, my dad and my mom divorced. My dad didn't marry somebody else.

Me and my brother keep going to jail. She's going to school, trying to take care of us. She's trying to pay all these bills. My dad ain't helping her with no bills in that. My mom said, look, I'm going back to where I'm from. I can't take it no more. Like, you and your brother keep going to jail. I'm stressed out.

I'm going back to Pennsylvania. So my mom moves back to Pennsylvania. At this time, my mom, my mom I'm 19 I'm 42 now but uh so now I'm on my own but she leads me the house um I go right back to the same shit setting drugs setting drugs and I moved in my girlfriend same thing happened again bro the Georgia Bureau of Investigation is a real thing GBI running my house the sheriff running my house I go back to jail again this time they found a half a pound of weed some cocaine and some other stuff it was like

five girls in my house, six do, I'm just on some real young, you know how it is, bro, party lifestyle type shit. It's fucking two o'clock in the daytime. I got ten people in my house be high as hell, and they raid again.

I tell the cops, everything ain't mine. Everything, man. They're putting girls in handcuffs. I know she got kids. She got kids. I'm going to jail anyway. This is my house,

so I don't even care. Whatever. It's all this shit, man. That time they give me a 10 do three. So in Georgia, and on the East Coast, it's different because I've been living in PA for like 10 years.

In Pennsylvania, they'll give you a 3 to 6. You have to do the small number, and then you might get out, but it's 3 to 6. In Georgia, they'll give you a sentence like 10 do 3, meaning that we're going to give you 10 years, but you serve 3. After you serve the 3, the other 7 would be on probation.

But when you serve the 3, you can make parole still, and come home earlier than three years. So that's what I did. I took a 10-do-three. I went to jail. I only did 10 months out to three years in. I paroled out.

I had another, whatever, to 20 months, 26 months left to do that. And I had seven years on probation. I came home. Stayed out for two years. You liked the two-year time. Yeah, that's my sweet spot. It's my sweet spot. That's when I, because it's going too good.

Let's fuck it up. No, it's not even dead. When you get a two-year run and the lifestyle I was living, you think you got them beat. You got to figure it out. Any criminal right now that has been doing any crime for two years at this point and they ain't been caught? Oh, my God.

They're on their high horse right now. You can't tell them that they're going to get caught. They figured it out. That's how your brain works when you're a criminal, bro. You got to change that way of thinking. But it was two years. I stayed out. And this one life got real right here.

I probably went to the county jail two or three more times after I came home from that 10-do-3 just for a little bullshit, dirty urns, reckless driving, two months, 60 days, 90 days. But I count all this up in my reputation, bro, like, not reputation, in my, like, in my history. Like, I added all this shit up. I got 14 years in jail, but all this shit count.

30 days here, 60 days here. I did that until I was like 24. And that's when life changed right there, bro. The time I was living in, got tired of me. They were like, we're going to put the feds on this guy because I kept going to jail. I kept getting out and doing the same shit. And back then, Georgia laws for drugs were so like slaps on the wrist.

You get seven years but make parole in 18 months. Back then, I don't know how it is now. You can get seven years and make parole in 18 months. So anyway, long story, we shut. I bought some guns in 2008. I'm 25, I think. I bought some guns. Own it all. Pay off your home, travel for life, drive a Ferrari.

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Wait, how does MySpace lead to jail? 2008. I'm on MySpace. This dude wants some crack. He called my phone, bro. I got these guns. I don't got new money. I got two Mac 11s, brand new, and I got 20 clips to go with him.

What? I'm on the way right now. Me at 25, yeah, I'm on the way right now. I pull up. He really got two Mac11s clips. Where you get this from, bro? My granddad, he died, blah, blah, blah, whatever. I give him the crap.

He gave me the guns. I'm hype. I'm excited. I got these big-ass guns, and I'm just stupid in a while. You know, I'm watching my space, and I'm watching YouTube then came out, and then you see crazy.

Back then, YouTube. was wild back then, you know what I'm saying? So I posted the guns on my space like an idiot. And, bro, I didn't last. I thought once I did that, it was like three days later, my federal, I'm not federal, not federal, my state parole officer drove, he called me, he tricked me. He said, hey, man, you were at home?

I'm saying, yeah, just doing the field check today. I'm just going to stop by, make sure you still live at your address, everything. You still live at the same spot? Yeah, okay, I'm just going to come out, come outside and say, hey, how you doing me? You know, all right, that's normal. though they do that you feel me all right cool clean my house up put the drills away shit like

that yeah just put the guns up he come up but this time when he pulls up he got the chief with him I'm like why the fuck he's with him he like yeah man you ain't been going to community service and um just put your hands behind you back I'm like what he's like yeah put your hand behind you back you got some in your house I'm like no at this point sheriff pulling in a militaryville police pulling in the detectives pulling in they're just pulling in I'm like what the fuck so they're like yeah just take him to jail for a probation violation. We're going to just search his house. So when I'm getting in the car for the probation violation, they take me to jail, the dude, the driver of the car, the sheriff says,

you got something in your house? I'm like, no. He said, man, well, somebody just called and said, you was on my space with two Mac 11s and you might hurt somebody. And so they're going to check your house right now. And they found the guns, bro. What are you going to do with the guns? Nothing. Just, do you want to have them? What they do now on social media? Just post it. Look stupid. Nothing. A idiot, bro. Were you in the photo with the guns or it was just the guns on like a bed? No, it was just my profile and I'm talking, playing with them and shit, you know what I'm saying?

There's somebody called my P.O. They seen it. And not only that they see it, the P.O. can't turn around my house at any time. He came and found the exact gun that's on the video. I had them right in my house, bro. So you didn't even hide them or anything? Didn't even hide them. Do you think that's where like the rap inspiration kind of came in?

For sure. For sure. Everything I'm doing right now is inspired by rap. women and money fast life at that moment in my life from from 14 to be honest with you bro from 14 till I was like 30 years old my life was inspired by that stupid rap fast life money I mean I'm street I'm real to the streets I live by this that yeah bro that dump yeah and that shit consumed me and it took 14 years of my life life and 14 years from I got kids who 20 23 took time from them because I'm trying to do this

what Tupac say, what Dr. Dre say. They ain't even doing this shit. You know what I'm saying? I should be getting the platinum records. I was really doing that shit. But for real, though. So when that happened in, that shit changed my life.

And I say that because now I'm in jail. In my brain, okay, it's just a regular gun charge. In Georgia, I do about three years. I come home, how I'm thinking. I'm going to beat the system again. I don't want to change, though. I'm young. I can do the, like, that's,

People don't understand this. When you start doing time as a kid and you get slapped on the wrist time at the time, one year, three years, that makes you institutionalized. Now you're not scared to go to jail because that's like, that's not a lot of,

you're young, it's not a lot of time, and you're like, now you're thinking like, okay, if I do these crimes, I get this much time. I'm not afraid of that. Especially, that's how I used to think in my 20s, bro. I was institutionalized,

like, when you thought going to jail at 15, 16, now you didn't did it, You didn't seen the fights, and you're like, fuck it. I can do that. That shit carry what? Two years? I'm 18.

I can do that. That's a crazy way of thinking, but that's really how people are thinking right now in the world. I was thinking like that. But not this time. They had something for me this time. I'm chilling in jail. I got the best lawyer in Millicville.

Because at this time, when they found those guns, by the time my space came out, I was like, whoa, bro. I had to be stopped. I'm glad God did that. Around this time, bro, I'm robbing people. I'm robbing drug dealers. Because I had been selling drugs so long from 14 to this point.

When now, I told you, I was like 25. I had been selling drugs so long, I had a clean face in. But I was too smart for my own good. I had a clean face. So I knew that anybody I called and said, yo, I need four ounces of cocaine, and I bring you the money back tomorrow. They'll bring it to me.

That's how much work I put it in the streets. Like it says, in the drug game. Everybody trusts me. But like, oh, what, Capo? Yeah, give it to him. But I said, you know what? I'm about to just going to robbing spree. For no odd reason.

But I'm doing cocaine at this point. I ain't scared to say it. I'm doing cocaine at this point. I'm drinking. I'm smoking weed. I'm popping ecstasy pills. I'm popping vicarotone. I'm crazy.

Yeah. My mom would have moved away. My dad got a new wife. I hate the world. That's just how I'm living right now. And, um, but yeah, this time I'm in jail. and it was like 8 o'clock at night one night. Grable, visit.

Like, visit. We don't get visits at nighttime at this jail. Visit. I go to visit. Hey, how you, you, I'm Ramirez? That's my real name. You Ramirez? Yeah.

Yeah, I'm Sandy with the FBI. You're going to pick your case up, and you're going to be moved to another jail in the next few days. I'm like, hold up. Because, you know, in Georgia, there's a lot of Mexicans. I'm not racist at all. It's just opponents in contests.

There's a lot of Mexicans who go to jail in Georgia for, and they get deported and they come back, and the feds pick that up, and they call it re-entering, right? You've been to the feds, right? Yeah. So when they get deported and come back, they get charged with re-entering, right. Yeah, legal re-entry type of thing. Right.

And there's a lot of Mexicans that in town I was from, and my name, Ramirez. So she's like, I'm like, look, I'm Ramirez Grable. I'm like, I'm not She's like, no, you're the right person I'm like Ramirez, Grable Like me, the feds? What? She's like, yeah, you

I'm like, why are the feds about me? She's like, um, projection of a fire arm about convict the felon. I'm like, what? Sick, bro. Sick to my stomach Because all the homeboys that I got that I know

She, they go to the fed for 10 years, 15, I don't see them guys for 8, 9 years. You know, I'm sick. sick, bro. I go back to the dorm. I'm like, yo, the fed's about to come get me for, this is real. This is real. And the crazy part, I already been in jail at this point for a year. Because I was on parole, remember? I had six months left on parole.

Well, no, I didn't have six months left on parole. That's what they gave. And parole was tired of me. I got caught with these guns. No, really, they knew the fed's going to get me. Now that I think about it. Parole said, look, give us six months. We're going to just let you off parole, man. We're tired of you. Just go do six months, and you fight the gun charge when you come back from during the six months. I signed the paper, go do the six months. I'm in my brain. I'm off parole now. I'm going to fight the gun charge from the street. I thought I do the six months, I come back to the jail. They fed. He picked me right up, bro. That girl come. You're going

to the feds. I went to a whole new jail. Federal, uh, it wasn't like these big holdovers in, like, Philly and, um, MCC, none of that. It was a small county jail in Georgia, but they just hold federal inmates. I went there. The judge gave me a bond. The judge gave me a bondo. You let you out. He let me out, bro. With your whole criminal history, he let you out. My whole criminal history, he told me when 20, I cried too, but you know what it saved me?

My dad. My dad was a CEO, and he came in in my court here, and he fucking, him and the judge, I don't, yeah. He was like, listen, I worked for the prison for 30 years, and my son, I don't agree with anything that he does. He said, but I don't agree with none of that. I don't like criminals. I've been working for the criminal system my whole life. but I just didn't spend enough time with him and whatever he said

the judge said I'm gonna give you a bond I want you to give me pay $2,500 for him to get out and if you do anything wrong you lose your money my dad give him $2,500 and I know across the air all over the world

I want every person in the ghetto in the hood to hear me say this too this is real what I'm about to tell you bro when they let me out on bond the feds came to see me and matter of fact when you go to go to go to the feds and you go to a bail hearing.

At that point, they already got your guidelines ready. Where they had mine, like, look, you're in this range. 63 to 73 months. That's your range. But I let you go on bail. Give me a guilty plea right now, and you can bail out and be on pretrial release. I signed it, got out. When I got a little bell, I didn't mention either.

I didn't think it was just, should have been mentioned. But the whole time I was telling you and George, I was in a gang the whole time, too. And so the feds, when they gave me a bell, they came to see me. They debriefed me, what they called it. And it was like, yeah, you're going to go do five years, seven years, but we know this is your homeboy, this your homeboy. He sells drills, he sells drugs.

And if you just put a wire on and you just do this, you would do two years, 18 months. Got you. I can't promise you nothing, but I'm telling you, we want these guys right here. And people won't say this in real life, but I'm going to say this. Like, I ain't do it, bro, but I'm going to do it, bro, but yeah I thought about it

hell yeah I got three kids at this point I got five year old seven year old six year old and the fed say you tell them somebody when you was put a wire on to one of these guys to give you 18 months

yeah I thought about it every night bro I was tossed in turn people are gonna sit here in line and say I'm real I ain't never think about snitching man I don't care with nobody said they might as they didn't I thought about it hell yeah

but I was like you know what I'm 25 five years I'd be three 34, I don't want to do five, but fuck it, bro. I got to go do this five. And I made my, I thought about telling I really did, bro. But I made, anyway, I made my mind up. My girl was mad at me because my girl, I told my girl about the offer.

Babe, they said, if I go tell, I can do 18 months. She's like, what the fuck? She started getting her phone. I'm going to tell him Jerome. I'm going to start stitching. She was about to go get her, yeah. She was like, what? I'm like, I can't do it, babe.

Like, I can't do it. What do you think ultimately stopped you at the end from not snitching? Huh? What do you think ultimately stopped you at the end from not telling? Like what was that one defining thought that you're like, yeah, I'm not going to tell? It's going to blow your mind because all I've been out saying the whole interview. Remember I told you the rap music influenced my whole life? It influenced you not to stitch.

I thought I would fuck my chances up with being a rapper. That's the only reason they ain't tell. I can be honest with you. I don't care what the word I say like, you ain't real. No, I'm being real. Hey, it's working out for six-nine. But it's five years I swallowed, though. Yeah.

A lot of people can't swallow eight months, they're telling. No, but I've been in jail eight times at this point. So I'm like, whatever. I know. At this point, I know how jail is. I know what I'm about to go through. So you know what? I just say, you know where?

I don't want to fuck my chance of being a rapper, bro. Fuck that shit. And at the end of the day, I don't want to fuck nobody else life up for the mistake that I made. Because, see, the case that I had with just, they ran to my house, found some guns. I ain't got no code offending. So for me to go to do that, I would have been a real rat, though. like so this is different let me get two scenarios five people who catch a case together one person just tell the truth what happened he just say look man this is what really happened but he got all of y'all

sentenced he ain't really a rat bro he told the truth what happened he told though he told you know his snitch though but he ain't really a rat a rat is somebody who got no co-defendant he just got caught on he with his he did some dirt himself he got caught like me i got caught with a gun but you're going to bus 20 drug dealers who got nothing to do with nothing you're a rat bro that's the difference bro to me yeah you just you got caught with some shit that you did yourself you got no code offending you got nothing ain't nobody got let him do with this shit and then you just go start corroborating i don't know you're rap to me but i could if you if y'all five did a crime and one person break i don't know he still told he still a snitch but it's like he ain't go get innocent people

y'all was y'all did that shit with him this what come with it somebody might tell you know part of the game but y'all went to the feds bro fci i zoo that was crazy because i've been doing state time before that my whole life a whole different i know you probably heard this is that a medium or a low a medium a medium okay i know you probably heard this you ain't been in state prison right only only the environments are so like so different the state prison is so disrespectful In Georgia anyway. Like, if you're not in the game, be, go get with a religion. Ain't no way around in Georgia right now.

Georgia State Prison, if you're not in the game, you better go beat with some religion or it's over for you. You can be black, white, it doesn't matter who you are. If you go in there and say, man, I ain't with none of this. I'm not with no gang, I ain't with, five guys coming and take your commissary, bro. Like, they're coming to get it. Georgia is just disgusting. State prison is like, so when I was in state prison, I was with Crips, you know what I'm saying?

straight up. So did you join the gang because of prison? Your time prison? No, I joined the gang when I was like 16. So the small town I'm from is full of games. When I grew up, it was Bloods and GD that was all there and you had to be from those hoods to really join those gangs or let them beat on you. And at the time, that shit was appealing to me, honestly, but I didn't want to go to just let them beat on me just to go be with them. But I met a guy one day from Macon, who came to Millicville, Georgia, where I'm from, and he had blue on, he had a blue rag. Mind you, my whole city gang bang.

And if you don't gang bang, you ain't cool to me. Dumb me back then. So this dude comes, he's a Crip. He got a flak. I'm like, yo, how you become Crip? You're like, yeah, this. So that shit was different. I'm like, I don't want to be like everybody in my city.

They Crips and blue. I want to be Crip. Plus, they're not beefing with Crip. They're beef with each other. So I'm going to be something different. But it's cool to be this shit, though. That's how young kids really think, bro, right now, 14, 15. That's how they think.

That's why I'm here to tell my story because, bro, they don't think like that. That shit is stupid to think like that. But I'm thinking this shit cool. That's what I see everybody doing. I don't got no friend. Let me do this. So anyway, I meant to do it was Crip.

He took me to some neighborhood, let them beat on me, and now I'm Cripped. And then I carried that badge with me for a long time. I don't know long to carry that badge, man. I don't care of anybody. I'm 42 years old. I'm a 7-year-old daughter and two more adult kids. I still respect everything that I came from.

I ain't never told on no crypts. I ain't never sent no crypts to jail. I ain't never did none of that. But I ain't walking around saying I'm crippling no more. That ain't me. So you show up to Yazoo, right? Huh? You show up to Yazoo.

Is that the name of the prison? Yazoo. Who prison? Yeah, the federal prison. Yeah. I was in the crypts in federal prison too. No, what was the name of it? Yazoo.

Oh, talking about the car? No, the name of the prison. Oh, it was Yazoo? Yeah, yeah, Yazoo. All right. So you show up to Yazoo as a crypt? Yeah. No, so actually, yeah. So Yazu, we know how you get there, who you roll with. So first I was on Georgia time. You know what I'm saying? I went to Georgia people. I'm at the Georgia table. And then something happened between me and one of the Georgia guys. And I don't know. It got weird to me. And I felt like enough people didn't take my side because of politics. This guy been in the prison longer than me. But you know he wrong. Y'all know. he's wrong but y'all cool with him because he's been here for 20 years

politics so i felt well about it and then the crips i already was talking to him because they knew i was cripped but i was just not on crypt time man i wasn't going to the meetings and so i was just talking to him and they were like bro you can't eat with us you saw that paperwork you can fuck with us show my paperwork i'm gonna fuck i'm gonna start chilling with them. But the Georgia people that ain't really getting mad at me in there. They probably talked about me, though, behind my back.

Like, this bitch, that nigga, but I was a Crip on the street before that. I just decided when I got to jail, I wasn't going to be Cripped. But it didn't work that way. Like, I feel like the politics. So, bro, gang politics is way stricter than regular cars.

In jail, I'd rather be in a game. Straight up in jail. For real. I don't care how nobody feels. And I wasn't a game before jail. anybody who knows me know this. So I'm not just, I ain't go to jail and join a gun. I got beating the crypts on the street.

But if I go to jail, I'd rather be in a game, bro, because the politics is crazy, bro. Like, in jail, if you're in a gang, you know what it is. You can't be homosexual in a game. I'm not against nobody that's homosexual. I live your life.

I'm not with none of that. But you can't do this in jail in a game. You can't do that. You can't tell. You can't do this. And you know what you can't do. And you know what you can't do. When you're in a race,

Cargular car, it's like blurred lines. You might see, like, because when I was in a Georgia car, I would see some of my homeboys with transgenderes, which I don't got a problem with it, but they're politics, bro. It's like, I don't know, bro.

It's crazy. You know what I mean about politics. Oh, that ain't right. Yeah, but if he do it, it's cool, but if he do it, he got to go. Like, it was... Were you surprised that it doesn't necessarily run by Crips or Bloods

or certain types of gangs in the feds? It's more by the state you're from? Yeah, bro. That was the crazy thing to me was the Chahaw when I saw it. When I was like all these Asian people over here, the white guys over here, Jamaican guys, a few of them over here, and it's New York. But, yeah, I don't want to make this racial,

but why do you think, I don't, I ask myself, why are black guys so divided? Because in federal prison, no matter what state you from, if you're a white guy, you're with the white guys. But if you're black in federal prison, you with you with your state. I'm from Georgia.

I'm with this. Why we got to be divided? Why we just can't be the black guys? I don't know, bro. Black guy like they always want to go against each other. I don't get it. But, yeah, I did five years. Yazu, FCI.

You stayed there the whole five years? Yep. Wow, that's kind of unheard of. I did, bro. I ain't getting no trouble now. I'm lying. I did. I got caught making wine.

Oh, tell us how you would make wine in prison. That was my thing, bro. Yeah. Give us the ultimate recipe. Okay, boom. So for two pounds of sugar For every two pounds of sugar you got There's a gallon of wine

So if I want to make four gallons I need six pounds of sugar You got me? So in jail If you got Three honey bears You know the squeeze honeies There's one pound of sugar So I would get six honey bears

I would get the honey bears And I would get the honey bears and I would get buttercotch candy I would pay the dude in the kitchen to bring me a quarter of orange juice squeezed freshly. They'll squeeze the oranges and give me a quart of freshly squeezed orange juice

and some potato flakes. Right? So you find somebody that's already been cooking wine around the prison that's already making wine you say, hey man, I need some kicker. Kicker is what you put inside the wine to start cooking immediately because if you don't put people,

that make regular wine on the street, then let it sit until it turns, and then it starts to, you know, what they call it? Ferment. Ferment. But in jail, say if I make some wine, it's already ready. When I strain it and pour the trash out of it and strain it, that's already fermenting. If I just take this little bit and put it in my wine, it's going to start cooking immediately right now. So I went in somebody else, give me some kicker, bro. He's to give me some kicker.

So I got six honeies. a quarter ounce juice, a bag of potato flakes, and some kicker, and the rest water, and that's two gallons of wine right there. And you can put a little bit of, in jail, if you wanted to cook in three days, you could put a little bit of potato, tomato paste in it. Because that's the thing in jail, you want to cook it. You don't want to wait a week, because you might get cut. You've got to hide it.

It smells. And the week, they might find it. I want to make this wine and be ready in three days and have it. If everybody drunk and make my money and don't get caught. How much are you charging? And would you sell by the bag? In Yazu, back then, a quart of wine was two book and stouts. But at that prison, a booker stout was $5.

I got to say the wine process is so gross. Like I would see before it's drained, you got, like, fruit and you got all this crap in it. It's like moldy. It's gross. Bro, they put rotten potatoes in the wine because they say if it's rotten, it makes it cook quicker. That's what you want Because the alcohol is gonna cook the germs off They got out of this

But I can tell you this It gets you drunk I could tell you that I would see guys drunk Especially on New Year's and stuff And then what I'm maybe you know How did the Spanish guys Make white lightning

Oh my God With the honey They would like boil that down Tobacco I didn't get it People don't believe that Bro they make wine Out of like I said

Fray said fruit trashed potatoes They really make real wine And then they'll take like The coil out of the iron and there's still an iron get the coil out of it and then there's some type of way

attach it, you know, how they do to a hose and they'll burn the wine down and cook it down to liquor, to white lightning. And they'll sell the honey bears or white lightning for five books or stamps. And it's pure. Pure liquor, bro.

Like one of those gets you trash. Like it's clear. It's crystal clear. It's in a honey bottle. Moonshine. Now they stopped selling the orange high sea I remember on it. And they got rid of the flavor jolly ranchers

or the sugar jolly ranchers. They made them all sugar-free. But they left the honey on. They didn't get rid of the honey. What about the regular jelly? I think we had regular jelly. Grape jelly. Yeah.

Yeah, I think we had grape jelly. I heard you say this too. You want to have a cook-off. Listen, I'm coming. Listen, I told you, I got 14 years in prison. I ain't bragging on that. But when I'm bragging on this, I can cook on some gel.

I meant this is what I really wanted to do. I wanted to bring a hookup right here While I was interviewing and put it in a bag real quick and make a little quick what we call in Georgia a pocket And it's just like Doritos and chips and you got meat, pickles, vegetables, and the inside of it. And they're outside like a shell, but it's out of Doritos and shit. But anyway. Like mafungo kind of? I was in a rest today, so I didn't brag on.

Like mofungo kind of? Yeah. What is it? Bofungo. Mofungo is kind of like, I think it's like the Spanish version of that. But they would use like tortilla chips or Doritos kind of crumple them up. and it's like a burrito, they'd have all the meats and stuff.

That was the very first prison dish I ever had. So good. Or plantain chips they would use. And usually we call it a pocket, but I can make different stuff, but I didn't make, so in the county jail in Pennsylvania, I want to get to that, too.

They give us coffee cakes in the morning. I used to take the, I had five friends who, because they love when I cook. They're like, but you're cooking today? Give me all y'all coffee cakes. In the morning, I have eight coffee cakes. I make a pizza dough out of,

of that, like, we're not a piece of dough, but I just roll it out like a piece of dough circle. We're out of milk and mix it with milk and make a dough out of the coffee cake. And then on top of that, I would put rice and, like, Doritos just to make it, like, a small second layer of, like, fried rice. And then I would put, like, a topping on that, bro, like, a tuna, like a tuna melders. I don't know, but I used to call it, like, a tuna melt pizza, but it was something different. I just made some shit one day, but I just get paid two books of stamps to make these every day.

And they bring me all the ingredients, like, for real. So you do the five years at your zoo, then where do you go from there? What happens? All right. So when I was in Yazu, bro, this is what I want people to know, too. When I was in Yazu, I thank God for sending me to Yazoo, bro. I promise you, every day I think. Because that's how I am who I am now.

When I went to Yazoo, I sat down one day and I said, you know what, bro? Can I curse on here? Yeah. I said, you're a piece of shit, bro. You're not shit, bro. every girl you had you cheated on them bro everybody that used to do you good you sold you drugs and they used to

give you the lowest prices you been making a rod them bro like you out of here what is you doing you gang banging and you're doing all this you're running people who don't even like you bro like you still like what is wrong I had to really like get my that's the hardest thing

a grown man can do who living like that is tell itself bro you're a dead ass wrong you're a piece of shit That's hard to tell yourself But now I'm doing five years, bro My daughter, four And I remember When her mom got pregnant

I said I want a daughter And she gave me a daughter I already got two sons But I don't even know I got two sons right now Now I know they're mine But at this point that's how I've been living in At this point I already got two older kids But I didn't find out there was mine

Until I came years later But anyway My daughter now that's 20 I thought they were my only kid at the time And I'm like, man, she's five. I'm about to be gone for five. She's going to be ten. I ain't, fuck that.

I'm done with that shit. I'm not selling them. I'm not living like that no more, bro. No. I'm not stealing for no people, bro. I'm not doing nothing. I'm not having no bad motives, no ill intentions. And everybody who was my friend that I crossed,

I wrote them a letter in. Even if I told him this, I'm not writing this letter to try to be your friend. I know you're mad at me. You deserve to be for the rest of your life if you want to be. Because I'm not, I'm just letting you know that. I'm really sorry. I hate I did that.

I'm not that same person. I'm really not asking for a friendship or none of that. I'm just letting you know that I beat myself up for this every day. I'm sorry. And I did it for a lot of people. And once I did that, it changed me a little bit. No, because I don't release it from me. Because I felt bad, bro.

Like, I mean, I'm, see, when you, when you're on the street, and you got money and you're like you robbing people you she known girls and you live and you up you got the cars and you yeah it's good yeah you's cool you don't care like like you you feel like god you feel like yeah but when you go to jail and all those people don't fuck with you no more and you like and now you you realize like damn i really was wrong like i did everybody dirty that it's if you if you want to change that a chance you just think about that so in the feds bro you know what i did in I was already a drug addict and alcoholic when I went to jail. I kept drinking. I ain't allowed. I drank the whole time in the fed.

But on a positive note, this is what I did, bro. First of all, I took myself back to school. I already had a GED, but I got that back in 2006 of my first time in prison. I took myself back to school. I started hanging around dudes in the school. One of my dudes used to help, he was a GED tutor. And we walked around the track one day. You know, we know how men and it, it was alpha males.

I'm like, bro, I got a, he said, on the GED. I said, I scored a 600 on everything on the GED. He was like, bro, you're lying. He was like, bro, what? Nobody scored 600 on the GED. I'm like, yes, I did, bro. He's like, because you need a 550 to pass the GED score back then. I don't know about now.

And, like, it's a few subjects, and you got to get a 500 on each subject, but you need at least a 550 on one of them for the average, the 500 that you need, right? But anyway, I got 600 signs. So he didn't believe me. So I got my mom and said my GED, scores and he saw it he got me a job as a tutor in the education department and I was rusty but it got me sharp I learned algebra again I learned this again and I learned how to count better than I knew how to count when I was in school because I'm already a smart guy I just

didn't appreciate school when I was in it I'm like I don't need this shit because I always thought I could and I always thought I could be somebody without nobody telling me how to be somebody if that makes sense I always had that confidence bro always people in my school to tell I always so candy. I always. My mom, like, I ain't got no money for you to go skating the night. I'm going to cut Graham. I'm a neighbor's doors. You know, I got a lawnmower. You want your grass cut? I'd never go skating that night. I always

been there way. But anyway, I changed in federal prison, bro. I changed. You know what I said? I didn't been in jail five times in Georgia. Ain't nobody sent me no money. But my mom, my dad, these whole five years. Why would I go back to Georgia? My mom been in Pennsylvania because I told she moved

away when I was 19. So she didn't been in Pennsylvania for years now. I got her a life. She didn't graduate college. She got two master degrees. She got a whole new husband. She's happy than ever. Why not I go be with my mom and get some good support and leave the Sloans real quick? That's what I did.

I told my counselor when I was in the feds. Hey, bro, I'm going to PA when I leave here. I ain't going back to Georgia. You're like, what? It's a big change. Yeah, I'm, you know nobody up there. I know my mom. I don't need nobody else.

I'm through living like that, bro. And then, like, I'm through living like, because if I go back there, I got to get a gun I have to I didn't do it too much two people I didn't tell I was robbing people I'm stealing from people

I'm No I don't want to go back there I don't want to kill nobody I don't want to kill me I'm going to Pennsylvania and that was a hard decision I got two I got kids there

That's hard decision bro But I've been in jail five times I already living here Because I got to carry this gun on me I got to do this I got Ain't no jobs This town I'm talking about

I got 17,000 people in it And it's not like It's down down south. So anyway, that's jamming, bro, and I got out and I moved here. 2015, 2014, I go to Kentock, Halfway House and Philadelphia. I felt good. I had been working out the whole time. I had been educating myself. I had been writing books and raps and everything that I wasn't tech. Because you know when you're on the streets, you ain't tapping into the things you should be tapping into. Like just

education and knowledge, reading. the book. You know about your history. You know about finances. Know what credit is. Know where the FICO score is. Just all these things. I ain't have no idea about I'm in jail, tapping into it. So now I'm home, 2014 and I'm, my brain is like ready to do it. You feel me? I ain't the same person. Yeah, bro. I'm to the halfway house in Kentucky. I'm, um, I stayed inside for like three months. I had to do the whole six months. Stayed inside for three months. And I got a job. I met a girl who is now my baby. mom who now we have a seven-year-old who's not we still together right now but um i met a girl and um

yeah uh i left the halfway house i stayed my mom for a little bit me and a girl moved in um like i said uh that was 2014 where's your mom happy to have you back hell yeah my mom was she came to visitation every day when i got back to kentok um my mom when i came home my mom gave me a debit card had a grand on it she was like this yours a thousand dollars a thousand He got some clothes. You got a room right here. You got a little. My mom showed me so much support, bro.

My mom never told me knowing my life, I don't think. That's why. And as a child, I would abuse that. And I feel sad right now even thinking about it. Because as a child, I would abuse that. She never told me no. But it feels good now to not have to even need her for anything. You know what I'm saying?

But she always was there for sure. For sure. So, yeah. When I got out, I moved in with the girl. I remember she told me, she was like, and now I remind you in, you know how the feds is, bro. When you're reading, it's other guys in here who got businesses. There's millionaires in here.

There's entrepreneurs in here. So it's about who you hang with in there, what you're going to receive. If you're just playing spades around gangsters out of days, you're going to learn how to play spades and learn how to be a gangster. If you hang around these guys who got this, you can learn some stuff from these guys. So I had a little entrepreneur spirit when I came. home bro so um her brother pulled over the girl i met her brother pulled over there in a bin's truck and i'm just like how you get that truck you know she was like oh he um got commercial cleaning

business like how you do that she broke it down like you want to do that because i had a couple dollars saved up she were like let's try it boom me and her get the commercial cleaning business going immediately crank it up we first month we're doing 10 grand a month easy and we all the time we buying his chemicals and mops and brats and bring her and her and her money we're buying it's chemicals and mops and brooms and vacuums. You know what I'm saying? I started doing that. And we did that for like a year.

We ran it up too. Like, for real. Like, had a few cars. You know what I'm saying? But we had some relationship. I ain't even going to say we had a relationship a problem. I ain't going to sit here and lie. It was me, bro.

I had, five years in jail. And I came home and thought I could be faithful with the one girl. You cheated. After five years in jail. I'm going to just come home and be with one girl. Yeah. Man I did the wrong thing. I cheated, bro. I got caught. To this day, I pay for it, bro.

At least you're being honest about it. Yeah, you got a relationship problem. No, bro. It was you, bro. You're not deflecting. No, for real. But anyway, we have a relationship problem. Me, I was the problem. And we broke up. And she kept the business for a little while. I said, you have everything. I'm going to leave. Long story short, I started. dating another girl, bro.

And as soon as I left that stability, as soon as I left that structure, I started dating the younger girl. We always go for the younger girl. She's 23. I'm fucking 32 at this time. Why don't I want a 23? Whatever.

But I'm going to date the younger girl. She's fun. She's on, yeah. At this point, I've been in PA. I ain't been doing anything, but smoking weed. I'm on federal probation. I've been passing all my urines. They don't even piss me no more,

but really like every three, four months now. That's how good. doing at this point. Meet the younger girl, bro. Gonna do some Coke? Going to... Why? Now I'm back into that, bro. Because, my... Mind you, the girl that I met at first, she never saw

even do none of this stuff. So, we broke up for a little while. I meet the younger girl. Now I'm back partying, bro. I'm Coke. Partying, partying. And, yeah, it took me down... Now I was back. That same guy I was in Georgia. Now I'm just in PA now. Yeah. But now I'm now... And now I'm making music rapping, but now I'm that same. Now, I let, this is how I look at it now.

I let, because Milton Hill is a real thing, bro. I let a breakup make me so depressed that it turned me back to the person who I don't never want to be. Like, if you're not aware of yourself and your mental health, bro, that's how life happens. You can be just in a great space. You want to be the greatest, you know in your heart, you want to be the gratitude person. But one thing, if you're not mentally aware, and stable, can turn you back to

So yeah, bro I went right back to that. Now I'm back, so now that I'm getting hot now. It's expensive, right? Now there's two of us, me and a girl getting high. That's super expensive, right? So what I do, start back selling drugs. Now I'm in PA selling drugs.

Now I'm up here, yeah, now I learn how to drive around PA now. C-I sell in. Confidential informant. Cocaine sale. In. On federal probation in. In Pennsylvania.

I just changed my life, bro. After I just left Georgia to come do better, Ian. Can you imagine that, bro? How long, how much time had passed at that point? I went to the halfway house in 2014 at Kentucky. I left the halfway house in May 2015. I got the CI sale.

They locked me up August 2017. So tell us about the CI busted. Do you have any idea here as a CIA? I can imagine number in it in two years, bro. Yeah, the two years I ain't like you just made me think about that I was home from the fence for two years

and I got a comfort that so you want to know about that? Yeah, tell us all right so cool so now I'm selling cocaine I mean now that's the breakup with the new girl we're doing drugs and now I got to support the habit so now I'm selling drugs I meet this guy name

I ain't going to even say his name but I meet this guy and he's a great customer he's in college he's about 21 years old He's at Temple, and I give him a half an ounce of cocaine. He comes back in one day with $700 for me, like every day, boom, boom, boom. So I'm dealing with him, and I'm showing him a lot.

And at this time, I'm thugging in. I'm getting, I'll be back to the Georgia guy. Now, at this time, I'm getting pills in the mail from Georgia. Because in Georgia, at this point, E.P.s were $3. And in the PA, they were going for $15 to pop. I'm getting, man, mail me 300 EPEO right now. They're crazy in PA. They're paying 15 for these Jones.

You know what I'm saying? I'm doing all that. And this guy Noah, man. He's on probation already. I don't know this. He gets into a car wreck one day. Flip the car. And he gets into a car wreck, flip the car.

Police find all these drugs. And he snitches on me. But I got to tell you, we can't skip this part, though. This is the crazy part. Before that even happened, before he told on me, So one day Noah One day Noah has these people They want to buy some cocaine

And he tells me, yo bro They want to buy four and a half ounces of cocaine I'm like all right cool At this time I'm connected in the streets heavily I can get this in a heartbeat But when it comes to this guy Noah He never came in nothing this big before I give him a half an ounce

A ounce maybe at the most He's like they want four and a half ounces of cocaine I'm like bro tell them they got to come show me the money first Then I go get it But I don't because I don't know you Like, when you win a drug guy, you gotta think, because this is a young white guy, 21 years old. I don't even trust him enough to even,

because he could be getting tricked. Like, I don't, you know, I know how the streets is, bro. You could think somebody about to come spend some money with you, they're trying to kill you and take your shit. And I'm like, bro, you're a college student, bro. You got two black guys calling you. They want four in a half.

How you know these guys, bro? He's like, bro, I know him from my neighborhood. I'm like, how old are they? Like, they're like 30. I'm like, they're trying to rob you, bro. He's like, no, bro. I really know him. I'm like, all right, tell him to show me the money.

That day, we heard no more from them. After I said that, heard no... I said, I told you, bro. They ain't called back. They called back the next day. Tell her, we're going to show him the money. Where y'all are at? I'll make a long story short.

He's giving them the edge of where we're at. We're standing outside. They come down the block, bro. When the dude opened the door, first one guy get out of the car. When the dude gets out of the car, the guy I'm telling you about, he says, I don't know him. I say, it's your friend. He says, he's out the phone with it. He said, yeah, but that ain't who I was on the phone with.

I'm like, what? But by the time I say that, the guy's already out of the car in my face, like, yeah, what's up, bro, you got the four and a half? I'm like, bro, I told you, I wasn't going to bring no four and a half. You got to show me the money first. So he was like, so you ain't bringing it with you? I was like, no, but I brought a little sample. And I really did.

I brought like a gram, because I was going to give it to him. Like, this is what this shit looked like. This is what it is. If you like it, go get the money in and I serve you. I do that, man. While I'm giving him a gram, the back. door the car opens up bro do with a mask on just put a gun on he's like get in the car with a four and a half ounces cocaine that get in the car i know right then and if i get in this

car bro i ain't no way i'm gonna make it back because i can't take them to the drugs my family there no way i can't take you there i can't risk day life because i'm doing stupid shit so in my mind i'm like bro i can't get in this car so my brain just started working fast i'm like listen bro the four and a half it's like five houses up the street the only reason i told you you to come right here is because I'm a middlemanning and we can't go in the dual yard bro so when you came and show me the money I was gonna walk up there and grab it and bring it right back

to you because that's where the dude live at so like I want if I get in the car with you we go there he's not gonna give us shit because he thinks I'm walking so let's just go up there and rob him bro he didn't want to got the shit I don't right I ain't got it I'm talking fast I'm scared for my life I ain't for real these people got bigger ass gun

they're from Philadelphia you know from Georgia I don't give a damn about me So they believe my little bullshit story Kind of like So now, bro, this is true story, bro Anybody from Pennsylvania know what I'm talking about I'm walking down, Concha Hiking, bro, on West 10th Street

At 10 o'clock at night with a gun to the back of my head Because I'm being dumb out here Trying to sell drugs And they're telling me Go to the house where the drugs at And I'm lying to these people Because the drugs is where my girl and my kids But I can't take them there

So I'm like, how am I going to get out of this? I got to just thank myself all of this. So I'm just going to lie until I find an exit. That's how my brain was working at the time. So now we're going up the street walking. They're like, man, what is this fucking house at? You plan? I'm going to kill you.

And so I look back. I'm like, bro, just chill. He said, listen, don't look at me no more. You look at me again. I'm going to kill you. Keep walking. Don't look back. If you plan, you're going to die.

So I say, you know what? I'm going to knock on anybody, a random person. I'm just knock on a random door. In my mind, this is an all-white neighborhood. If I knock on somebody's door, hopefully it's an old white lady. I'm going to stream help. And maybe they just have some sympathy. It won't kill me in front of this lady.

Now they got to kill her, too. I'm just going to try to get away like that. That's how my brain is working. Mind you, while we walking, they're like, who got it? I'm like, it's a light-skinned guy named Jay. It's a black guy named Jay. He's light-skinned right here. I'm just making up anything, bro.

True story. I can't make this shit up. I'm not going to a random door. A light-skinned guy answered the door. I'm like, oh my God. They're going to think, because I just lied and said, this is a light-skinned guy named Jay, live right here. Bro, I'm just making up shit.

So we can keep walking so I can get away from these people. I'm not going to run the door as a light-skinned guy. He's like, hello? They're like, what a drug? They lay him on the floor, bro. Like, what a drug is that? I know this guy's like, what the fuck? Like, what?

True story, bro, because I'm being selfish now. They land down on the ground, push me in the house. So now when I go in the house, the dude with the gun, like sit on the sofa. I look at him again like the dummy. I'm like, bro, we're in the house now. You can take the gun off me. He hit him in the face with the gun. I said don't look at me, bro. I'm like, all right, bro. Fuck. He's like, so he knows the dude is on the ground who house it is, who I just lied on. They're like, what the drug's at? He's like, I don't know

nothing. It's somebody upstairs in. They run down the steps. They see what's going on? And they're like, oh, shit. And they run back up steps. The gunman then takes the gun off the guy on the ground because you see this guy running. I guess he's thinking he's going to call the cops or something. That's what I would be thinking. So he's chasing him up the steps with the gun. Boom. So now it's my time.

So now it's only one more guy in here, but this guy don't got a gun. The other guy that was with him, the one that came out of the car first, he don't got a gun. So I'm like, I got got out of this house, bro. Why this dude upstairs? I just stand up, bro. And the guy who's with him, like, what the fuck you're doing? And I just run into him, like with everything I got, like Bobby Bouchet, like water boy, like, oh, just running into him. And I grab him, we tossed it a little bit.

and I push him into the door and the door, like, it's a screen door. The screen door like collapses and it like opens for me, bro. He falls and I jump over him. And in my mind, he's chasing me. And in my mind, the guy with the gun

has came back downstairs and saw me fighting his friend. Now he's about to kill me in my brain. So I'm just running. I'm like, man, they're about to kill me, bro. The fuck I got myself into. After like three minutes of that,

I look back. I don't see no about it. I get up under a car and I just hide like a Jeep. like a big-ass jeep, I get under the Jeep. I'm a little person, and I just hide, bro, catching my breath. I'm like, fuck. And I don't know how much time went back,

because, you know, when you're going through shit like that, it's traumatic. But I can guess and say, like, seven minutes later, I look from under the Jeep, and I just see blue lights everywhere, bro. So I'm like, damn, what happened in that house? Like, I hope he can shoot nobody, hope he can kill anybody, bro. It was my fault they went there and lied on somebody. So I got to leave his neighborhood. So I get from under the car

And I'm trying to hide behind bushes because this cops riding around now, bro This is somebody didn't call this shit in So now every time I try to come out to bushes, it's another cop car, bro And they're coming the lights on the side of the car I'm like, fuck, I can't leave. And if I get called hiding, I'm going to be a suspect. I don't care of nobody's. If I get caught hiding as a black man with my head bleeding,

This house just got invaded. Why are you hiding? You're a suspect? to the police so I'm like you know what that's what I do true story bro I run in the middle of the street flat the cop down help

now I got to beat the victim of real shit I flared the cop down they drew down on me put your hands up what's going on I said bro somebody was driving through the neighborhood they told me knock on somebody's door if I didn't knock on the door

they was gonna kill me he like you fucking lying it was a home invasion down there you were part of it we know it get in the car I'm like I wasn't a part of shit bro I got hit in the head I'm bleeding. He's like, get in the car. Take him to the station. I mean, what happened?

I said, I was walking through a neighborhood. I didn't tell him about the drug deal. I lied. I said, I was walking through the neighborhood. Some guys said, hey, man, you know Jay who live right there? I said, no. They said, well, they pulled out a gun and said, knock on that door, we're going to kill you and ask for Jay. That's what I did. I said, I'm not on the door.

I said, when I went in the house, they do hit me in the face with the gun and told me to sit down. I said, if you don't believe me, ask the people in the house. because I knew that they could vouch for me because I really like you know what I'm saying I didn't want to let them know that I'm really innocent for real like I'm just trying to save my life but

if you tell the real truth it's saying you're going to go to jail you're trying to sell drugs and you call the home invasion the police going to find the charts to charge you with even though you're trying to save your life it was half true right yeah right so

they questioned me all night for that shit man for three hours they let me tell the same You know I go. Tell me again, how's your day start? Where'd you do this? How did you get to this neighborhood? I did not change my story the whole time. And T-Mobile, shout out T-Mobile. They did not agree to let... They called them and said, can we ping his phone to see where he was at at this time?

The T-Mobile said, no. But, yeah, bro. Anyway, all that comes with the story. They let me go that night. Ryan Reynolds here from M-Mobile. I don't know if you knew this, but anyone can get the same premium wireless for $15 a month plan that I've been enjoying. It's not just for celebrities.

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The people in the house told the police like, yeah, he was bleeding too. he was being kidnapped too. So no one got hurt. No one got hurt. They just left. You know people are in the comments are going to be like, what movie did you get this out of?

It's paperwork. I know it's just funny when people start hate it. My life is a lot of these. I ain't going to have enough time to tell them my life of a movie. But it's paperwork on this. It's true. But anyway, so,

but the cop told me, though, he said, I know for a fact you were trying to sell drugs and some kind of way you had something to do with this. He said, this is Contra Hoc in Pennsylvania. This shit don't happen in their neighborhood. All I do is twiddle my thumbs out of their long got nothing to do. I'm going to get you. That's what he really told me.

Fast forward. The dude from Temple, I was selling the cocaine to. Boom. He flips his car, has a wreck. Remember, he's the one that me and these guys did. He won college this whole shit. When he gets caught in that wreck, he tells the cops, look, I can tell you about that home invasion that happened. I can tell you about all this shit.

Me and Capo tried to sell some drugs, blah, blah, blah. He went to a random, now the cops putting his story together. So now they tell him, oh, so he was to end on that shit. Can you buy some drugs from him? He was like, yeah. All right, if you buy some drugs from him, where we found your car tonight or go away. I don't know he flipped this car on none of this shit.

I just know that we had a home invasion of me and him. Because he's with me at that time. And when I hit the dude and ran out the house, I don't know what he did. Because remember when the guy came out of the car and kicked out of me, like, yo, they walk up the street. The other guys with me. He got both of us together.

So this is the guy that told on me initially. This is the guy. So anyway, that night when I tackled the dude and left, he stayed there. But I guess whatever happened, he flipped his car a couple days later. They tell the cop. You know, the home invasion that happened? It was me and Capo. He was trying to say, he told the truth.

He was trying to sell drugs. The guy tried to rub us. He ran somebody's house, an innocent person. The cops said, can he bother him from him? He's like, yeah. He set me up for about four eight-bar. He called me. You got an eight ball? Yeah, 3.5. Yeah. Meet me over here. I meet him. It's like in May.

Selling it to him. No issue. Never heard from him again. August. I'm on perks real bad. I'm on perks real bad. And I'm on federal probation. And I keep failing drug tests. They seem to do it to rehab for 30 days. I get out of rehab for 30 days. It's August now. I get out Friday. I get pulled over, the cops say you're going in jail for a sale of cocaine to a confidential informer. I knew immediately who it was.

And when they took me to the precinct to get fingerprinted, it was the guy that said he was going to get me again. He said, I told you, I twitter my thumbs all day. I was going to get you. And it's just like that, you know what I'm saying? So now I'm in Pennsylvania with a CISL, federal probation. So I'm in the county jail. Said, I think the fed's going to throw the book at me.

So I asked my federal probation offer. I say, bro, can you give me a bail at least so I can fight this case from the street? Like, I need at least get me a paid lawyer, bro. I can't make money in jail. I'm innocent. Like, he's like, nah, bro, you sold drugs on probation and you got to deal with it. So I'm just, so I'm in the county jail from August to October. And a dude walks in my cell, my selling now in the county.

He's been to the feds too. So we bonded and shit. He's like, bro, don't you know that your PO don't control if you get out of jail or not in federal probation? It's the judge. He said, you can file a motion for bail.

It ain't up to your PO. Up to the judge. The PO just don't want you to go out. So we filed a motion and I got a motion for bail. They took me to FDC, Philly down on Art Street. I was in Philly, FDC Philly.

FDC Philly. I was on, like six north. I was in the shoe there. Okay. They took me to FDC Philly A motion for bail The judge let me out bro I cried to him

I said yana I've been home for all this time This has happened I do do drugs This is a I But I'm gonna get a lawyer I'm gonna fight this tooth in there Just let me fight it from the street

I can't afford to fight it from inside of jail And the lawyer Let me bell out But he gave me a leg monitor To make a long story shut While I'm on a leg monitor I'm fucking up I'm fucking up I'm breaking my curfew, coming home late.

I get a job to make a single like, you know, you're on your, how can I, how can I manipulate a leg monitor? I need a job. Be home at 6, well, I get off at 10, they'll, they'll manipulate it, you know what I'm saying? So I'm on a leg monitor, but I'm fucking up. So one day, this is what happened.

This is how I come out of that, by the grace of God, because at this point, my PO is telling me this, if you get convicted for this sale of cocaine, you're going to do three years in federal prison for a class A violation, period and whatever they give you

in Pennsylvania for the sale you gotta do that too but you gotta do our time separately if you get convicted of this so think about that why you're on bail

so I'm on bail and I'm still getting high on bail my PO pissing me he's like why you keep doing drills on bail I said have you ever been

facing three years for feds and five years for the state you ever been on bail facing 10 years yeah that's why I'm getting high bro

but he told the jail about it, bro, and they got mad because they felt like I was down like, he already out on leg monitor. You're not coming home on time, man, you're getting high. But it really helped me because the Fed said this. Because they were going to wait for me to get convicted. It didn't throw the book in me on the back end.

It said, check this out. We ain't even wait for you to get convicted. Take a year in a day, because I only had six months left on probation anyway. I only had three years for the release. I got out 2015, so I only had three years left anyway. So they were like, you listen. I mean six months left anyway. Take a year and a day.

You take a year and a day, we do with you. We don't want no more to do with you. Plus, we'll account in the town of you've been in the county of jail already, which is three months for time served. A year in the day is 10 months. You already did three months. Go do seven more months. You'd be home.

I signed the paper, bro. Back to jail again. NPA, federal violation. Send me to FCI Hazleton. Wadi Boulger was next door. When he died, I was. right there they shut the whole compound down for three days and we in the medium though that's for that violation so anyway yep I signed for the year and a day I go do the seven months in

in Hazleton um yeah October around the beginning of October I want to say why do you bold your pass rest in peace but so once you got out the bus it wasn't even in 24 hours he passed it locked the compound down I got out and I still wasn't finished in I still wasn't finished being a dummy bro. I swear to God. Now I'm telling my story and bro, I want to really, this shit is boggling me. I'm different now though. I can say that, but I get out of that, bro.

2019, I get out of that. I'm through with the feds. Now I've got to face the CIA. They give me three years probation in PA. Oh, that still wasn't settled? No. That's just a violation. They didn't let you just The feds don't even control that. I got a CISL in the state of Pennsylvania.

I would have figured the state that would have been like, ah, fuck it, he did his time. Oh, no. No, no. My background, don't people like me in our state. That's how they, that's how. And I get this a job. That's how to look at us.

But you got a long background. They're like, oh, he's him? Oh, no, we didn't let him go easy. He already had enough chances, and I get it. So, yeah, probation said, give us a year and that day. And then when you're done with us, go deal with your charges. So I was on bail for that the whole time. Went and did my year and a day.

I come back, I go to court. They give me three years probation. All right, I'll take it. I go to the jail. Okay, so boom, this is how, now they get to my life now. This is how I get to here. Now I'm on three years probation in Pennsylvania. That's what stress for shit.

I'm mad at myself. I beat myself up. How did I get out of the feds? Move, change my life, a whole new state. And now I went to jail again. I'm back on probation. I'm a fucking failure. I fall back in my bag.

I'm back doing drugs. Now I'm smoking weed. I don't even call it weed a drug, but now I'm popping perks again. I'm doing ecstasy. I'm just, yeah, I'm beating myself up. I'm on probation. I'm like, fuck it, bro. Like, that's how a quick,

your mental can just give up on you. Fuck it. This is what it is for me. It can't be different for me. This is what God had planned, bro. I keep building probation. I keep, it can't be different for me. So, yeah, what happened was I'm getting high smoking,

doing drugs, probation violation. I go to jail, bro, and I meet this guy in jail. And he said, bro, why you keep selling drugs, bro, getting out of this time? You keep going to jail for years. it's a new way it's a new way man nobody's selling drugs no more

bro this guy was like 23 years old he's talking to me at this time like 38 like people scamming bro what are you talking about bro fraud bro you know you crazy you're a smart guy you intelligent bro this is my cell at the time like what are you talking about bro and he told me all these throes about how he spent 10 grand doing this and 10 grand doing that

and in my mind I don't even I'm like this can't be true little did I know but this is what he told me first of all he had a book one day in the razor blade and he started scratching words out of the razor blade I mean scratching words out of the book I'm sorry and he said bro I just took out three words and it looked like the word out of the book just disappeared

and I'm like that's cool that's neat bro it's nice he's like yeah but you know what I do with this I'm like what? That's what I do with checks I'm like what? That's what I do with checks I scratch the name off of checks bro and I put it back on with a typewriter and I cash him and get the money. I'm like, hell now.

He's like, yeah, bro, that's what I do. Read the paperwork. Read this. I'm like, wow. So he's like, you know how I use the typewriter? I'm like, no. Tomorrow they go to the Lala library, let me show how you use a typewriter.

This true story, bro. I'm my mama, bro. I'm my kids. We're in a Lala library. He said, okay, look, you see that dot right there. If you match the letter R, that dot is where the letter is going to come out at. So if you match R, that little dot right there,

that's where the R is going to be on the paper. So if you've got to check, you got to line it up, bye, this is how you look at the angles. Boom. All right, cool. And I'm still with a, I still got a criminal mindset. I'm going to beat the world.

I'm smart. I'm going to beat the world. I'm going to beat the world. So I do a little two months in jail for a drug dirty urine violation. But now I got a whole new hustle. I got a whole new game plan. This man told me he cleaned check with razor blaze. He cashed him, bro.

It's 2019, bro. Stimulus check just came out, bro. Donald Chonner gave everybody checks. It's unemployment checks. So boom. I tell my cousin, bro, I know how clean checks. I'm lying, though.

I ain't never did it before. I'm going to say it, though. That's how we're doing the hood. I don't how I clean check, bro. You can find checks. I can clean them. We can make some money. My cousin's going to steal a check.

Bring me a check. I clean it with a razor blade. Go buy a tight rider on Offer Up. I go to the website Offer Up. I want to offer up. Buy the tight rider from somebody in Jersey. Brought it back. Type somebody's name on it.

Oh, well, it was my home girl. You want to go bust a check? Check $1,400. I give you $300 for the Walmart. It's a stimulus check. All right, cool. Put a name on it, give it to it. She's going Walmart, bust it.

Boom. It worked the very first time. This check is ugly. I didn't scrape it. I didn't put holes in it. It's damn to rip. The first Walmart wasn't even cashed. It said, it's two damage.

I said, tell them they got wet. Your kids had it. Walmart said, you know, because if you rip it all the way, we'll be live before it. So I'm not, I can't even scan it. The second Walmart scanned it, it cashed. That shit changed the next five years of my life. What a crazy scam.

It's changed the next five years of my life. Three, yeah, five years of my life. So it's like a little thin razor like out of a shaving razor? Mm-mm. How is it? What's a razor? Like a treat. The big ones, like the ones that go inside a straight razor, a blade.

And that's just you're delicately scraping off the ink. Ink is relatively on top of paper. It's not really inside the paper, right? A printer prints on top of the paper. the paper. So if you just scratch the ink lightly and just blow it. Like a scratch off ticket. Right. And when I learned that, bro, I started doing all kind of documents for people.

I can clean names off. Now I can get pasted. I can go in your mailbox. Get your bank statements. Take your name off your own bank statements with a razor blade. Put somebody else name on it. Turn into a PDF file. Now they got proof of documentation because I know how to work a razor blade. Like a razor blade. but that's how far it got with me. But I did the first one, and it worked in.

And so now I'm just trying to get stimulus checks. And at this time, bro, they're sending everybody in the world checks, even the wrong people. So I made a Facebook post. If you get a stimulus check that don't belong to you, the government is paying $500 for them back. Just hit me up. People call them. I got this check, bro. I don't know if some old lady's name on.

The government will pay you for it, bro. Just give it to me for $300. I'll get $5 for it on the back end. You love your social media posts for crime. Yeah, but I got this my burner page at the time I got caught for this too But that's why I can talk about it freely But so now I'm I'm busting checks bro

And I'm like whoa This shit way better than drug money What? I should have been learning this shit Like bro I remember walking down the street This is a true story Walking down the street one day It's raining me and my girl arguing

And I'm just not learning this new check shit I got a few dollars on me but I'm like It's an abandoned house But the mailbox is check It's busting. It's so much mail in the mailbox. The grass is tall. And it's during COVID.

I'm like, what if they got some checks in the mail? Like, everybody getting checks down. Scammers are sending checks to different mailboxes if you know the, if you know, you know. So I go to this house band, check the mailbox. Let them do you know, bro. They got fucking unemployment checks in there. Because before they start giving people the money on the cards, they were giving checks at first for unemployment in Pennsylvania.

So it was two checks in the mail. One for $4,800, one for $26 in. Razorblazers. tight writer got all of that money from Walmart for two different one person hey man this check for 4800 cash I give you 900 give me the rest okay they're going Walmart 10 minutes so security number because this is a government check with the statute of liberty on it Walmart immediately cashing them just change the name with the typewriter um COVID runs out and um never I need to learn how to trick a bank because they're not sending out stem these checks no

more and Walmart not cashing the regular other checks and that Walmart not cash in the regular other checks but now I'm hooked on this shit so now I'm hitting mailboxes of businesses I'm hitting business mailboxes I'm stealing checks now and I'm and I'm now changing the name on the check and I'm finding people on the street who want to go cash a check right and at this point that's just what I'm doing um I meet a guy from New York the guy from New York says you're scratching checks off but I got software if you hit mailboxes and you steal checks you don't got a scratch it off, I can just make it with my software and we can just re-print it. And

I'm like, what? So I met a guy so now I'm stealing checks. He'll take the check that I stole and just make it with his computer printed out with magnetic ink on a maker check printer. And now he just recreated the same exact check with a new name. And now me and him making at least 60K a month doing this shit, bro.

Minimum 60K a month. And we're doing that. People, like say if it's 2,500 and it's a Wells Fargo check, we'll take. you just go on Wells Fargo and cash it. You don't need an account. They tell Wells, especially, I'm not racial. It's just the truth.

If I had a white guy, I could send me in Wells Fargo easy with three grand check, and they're just cash it. You need no accounting, nothing. Black guy, no, you need an account, sir. You want to make an account and deposit it? White guy, they're going to cash the check, bro. And when I learned that, I started giving me some white buddies. Hey, man, you want to make some money?

You want to make some money? Catch his check. Catch his check. And now, I'm killing it. I'm killing it. I'm killing it. And me and this guy can. killing it and I make a mistake.

I tell a guy what the office is where my check printers and I've been doing this shit at this point now for a couple years. I got an office now. Man, the guy that I met from New York, I'm telling you about the guy that they said, I got the software. Now we've been together for two years

so we got an office somewhere. We got everything here, check printers, machines to make checks, IDs. We got checks hanging out drying from acetone. We also watching checks that are written in ink pen. I would wash them shit with acetone and break fluid, bro. Clean that shit right off of there.

Put the ink pen rank. Say if I ride by your house and you had your flag up on your mailbox, the red flag, that means you're mailing out something. You're mailing out a check 99% of the time. I take that check out your mailbox, clean it with acetone and break fluid. It just changed the amount and the name. The signature on the front that you signed a check with, I trace it with a G2 pen, a gel ink pen.

See, jail ink don't come out with chemicals People need to know this If you got a checkbook, please use Jail ink So people like I used to be Can't steal from you Because if you use a regular ink pen I can take it off of your check

That you just wrote in your mailbox And put my name on and cash it Tomorrow today, right now So we're doing that Longstone shop Somebody got caught at a bank The check didn't work this one day It was an ugly check

I rushed it I didn't even tell nobody I arrested But I arrested it was ugly He went in the bank with it. They said, this is a little fake. They called the cops. He told the cops, yeah, the guy gave me these checkers in the car right outside. But I saw the cops go on the bank, so I left the car before they were coming to get me.

So they checked the car. I'm not there. So he's like, well, he got a hotel room with the office in it in King of Pressure. They used this statement to get a search warrant. Came to the hotel one morning. I went to a concert inn. I got $7,000 on me. I got the fresh shit on.

I'm chilling living my life. If I went to powerhouse, saw me make me a little dirt where I'm just living. Then next morning, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, search one. This is just 2023. This is my last time in jail. That's how I get to my life right now. It's been a long story, y'all, but bear with me. It all comes to an end, and it's for a reason.

But they locked me up, 2023. I left a concert, all this shit, come back. You've been stealing checks. So the dude tells everything. He still checks out of the mailboxes. He gets a razor blade, clean his mouth. He got fucking acetone. He's a fucking

Frank Abagnale, man. You know what I'm saying? He's a fucking real scammer. You know? So, I'm in jail, bro. And the dude I was with that had the software,

he in jail with me. And so I got I got guns too, right? So this guy, this friend of mine tells me every day, bro. Don't bring no gun around me, bro.

I don't want, I don't want no guns around me. I don't want no guns around me. I don't want the guns around me, but I still brought the guns around him, you know what I'm saying? So when the police ran in the room that day, and we got arrested, he was there and they found the gun, but I claimed the gun. I'm like, whatever else is the other shit, I don't whatever, but the gun mind, like, it ain't his. You know what I'm saying, the gun, not his. You know what I did some real shit.

So I go to jail in, now I'm in Pennsylvania in jail again. Same old me, been my whole life. and I swear to God, bro I'm 40 years old I'm 40 I'm 40, I'm 40, about to be 40 and now, bro, this shit I don't know

that day I changed, bro. I'm like, God, I can't, I can't because I had, because it reminds you, I scan for like from 2019 to 2023 because that was my longest run. just a child right 19 20 21 so i didn't got four years then so now i'm like i so feel me and then i go to jail again now i'm 40 years old i didn't make a hell shit ton of money though i did and i made a shit ton of

money but now i'm in jail again they took some money from me too but i'm like i give up god i surrender i quit i really give up if you let me out of jail at this time i'm doing content youtube because i already were doing content a little bit like building my shit up like i had two three subscribers but I wasn't serious about it but I was building it up but I went to jail bro and I just pray to God like if you let me out this time God I'll submit to you I don't care about no gangs I don't care about no street codes I don't care about nothing but my little girl who's seven years old who I'm close with because my other kids we're close right now very close talked to them every day but I didn't raise them I was in prison we didn't get close today was 13 14 15 that was already

They had the identity by then. My little girl that's sitting now, I raised her, bro. I've been there every day. This shit hurting me, bro. You feel me? So I just prayed about it, bro, and I gave up internally. Like, no matter what the outcome would have been, I gave up. I said, God, whatever you got for me, I'm taking it.

But I promise you, when I get out, I'm done. I'm done, God, I don't get it. I'm done. And I tried it out. I try to get drug court, which is you got to pee, they wouldn't get me none of that shit. And so this is what happened. I'm sitting in jail.

I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna get out, I'm gonna do a podcast. I already did, Matthew Cox, already we interviewed before. So I called him from jail, like, bro, I'm tired of going to jail, Matt. When I get out, interview me, bro, I'm gonna get my channel back popping plee late.

You know what I'm saying? He probably disappointing me like, whatever, bro, you stay in jail too much. Whatever. Anyway, I'm in jail and I'm planning what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna get out, I'm gonna make content about scamming, about how I scammed and got caught. I'm gonna tell everybody, it's illegal.

You're gonna go to jail, but this shit is very interesting. It's very exciting. It's some good stories. It's content. But I also tell people, don't do it. You're going to go to jail. But I'm going to give you details of what I did because that makes the story good.

So I plan. But I'm in jail fighting for my life. The first offer was five years, five to ten. I said, hell no, it's taking no five to ten. I'm just stressed out, bro. At this point, it's been like seven months. My girl, like, when you're going to come home? And it's just, now she's financially stressing.

I've been going seven months. I had money when I went. to jail, but seven must have went by now. You feel me? I ain't making nothing. So, uh, bro, I got a, I got a public defender for my case. And I got

a paid lawyer for my probation violation, if that made sense. Because I had to pick which one I needed the most. I'm, because I'm already on probation, remember? I'm on probation. And I just caught a new scamming case. So now I ain't got but limited funds. That's who I need a lawyer for.

So the public defender I had, the whole jail say he's a gat. He's a new guy. He just got hired. He loved the inmates. He's for the people, bro. Don't buy no lawyer. You got lucky, bro. You got a gat.

I'm about to shout him out too, and he's going to get, yeah. He said, you got a gap. So I'm like, cool. I'm just pay for a probation lawyer. So I'm in jail and I'm doing my due diligence, but if you're in jail, bro, look at your own case. If you're in the county jail, you're not in prison yet. Fight for yourself. If you can't buy a lawyer, really.

learn laws, learn lingo, learn the terminology. And I'm looking and I'm like, bro, I think my search warrant is bad. Like, how can they search my room because a guy said I had something in here, but he's never been in there. He never said, okay, I told him that. But then I don't know I told him that. But he's telling the cops he'd know for a fact that I got this, that, and that in my room. But he also tells the cops he never been in my room.

How do you get a warrant for something? So I can just say Ian got a brick in his car right now. I can search Ian's car. No, it don't work that way, bro. You got to be an investigation. They got to be certain. So they basically got to send somebody back to my room and watch them come out of there,

basically to get the warrant to go in there. Or at least the guy that went in there had to really be. You can't say what's matter-factly in a place if you ain't been in a place. And they used that for a search warrant. We know what's in their room because this guy told us that. Okay, cool.

I'm in jail. And I'm looking through this shit, end. This is a true story, bro. And my lawyer is Prince Jacobu. Shout out to him. Pennsylvania, Montgomery County, PD. He also got a paid firm as well, Prince Jacobu. I wrote him in three, two letters. Look at this search one. It's bad. I promise you, bro. He ain't write back. I go to court. Five to ten. I don't take it. I write them again. Bro, I know you got a hundred clients on your case. I know you got a busy schedule. Please look at this. It's bad. I write him. call my girl by name

Bay look in the fucking computer and see what my next court that is she's like, yo, you got a suppression hearing on the 17th a suppression hearing that's a motion to suppress the evidence PDs don't really do that, bro let you pay people, you know what I'm saying?

But anyway, I get to the courthouse, you say, I got your letter, bro. You wrote me so many times I read it. I look at your paperwork, you write. I think this warrant is bad. I think they shut your room illegally. That's what we're gonna do.

I only been in jail. I say at this point, 10 months. He's all right, I'm gonna tell the DA. You'll take 10 months time served right now. If he dropped the gun case, drop that case, that kid that case, and you'll plead out to a mound of forgery and give you time served if you go home. He said, you'll take that right now. I said, yeah, he said, because this warrant is bad.

We'll beat this in court. I'm going to tell the DA, this warrant is bad, but we ain't going to fight you on that. If you let it. All right, cool. He goes to the DA. I'm like, I'm about to get it. the day, the DA say, nah, I think the warrant's good. I ain't given him no deals.

Let's go to court. So we had the suppression hearing that day. We'd go in front of the judge, and immediately within like 10 minutes, I knew I was going to win the suppression hearing. Because after my law, you, I mean, after my law, you argued why the evidence should be suppressed, they rebuttal, and the judge said to the state, I see what you're saying, but this is what they're saying. And when the judge said down, like, all right, he's leaning towards.

He explained to him about what we're saying. He was like, I know you say he had checks and this and that, but this is a very vague search warrant. The dude never went inside the room. How do you know what's in there if you ain't been in there? I don't care what you just say in there. And you didn't investigate more. This is just bad.

He's like, all right, but I ain't going to make no decision today. He met 30 days. I went back to the jail. I sat down for 30 days. Call my girl one day out the blue. started screaming, man, you weren't

the suppression hearing. What? You want a suppression hearing? Yeah. All case, they're throwing

everything out. The gun, everything throwing out. My co-defendant he played out four months before I did

and went home because he didn't have a gun charge remember I claimed it. So he just had a forgery charge so he played out

four months before I did. He went home. But I'm fighting his gun. It's five to ten. Anyway, I beat the suppression

hearing, bro. Bam, probation don't want me to go home though. Probation is saying,

okay, you won't on the technicality. You had a gun. You said you had a gun. You had all this stuff in your room. Even though you beat this case, technically you had it.

So we don't want you to go home yet. We want you to go to state prison just to get a number. I couldn't believe this shit, bro. I beat my case in probation saying, we don't want you to go home. You beat on technicality. But I had a probation lawyer. How many discounts does USA Auto Insurance offer?

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We took it in front of the judge. I did the open plea type thing. The judge let me go home, bro. How long ago was all this? 17 months, five months ago, bro. Wow. I fought that case. I beat the case in 10 months.

I stayed in jail seven more months because probation was stirring on me going to prison in Pennsylvania. I've never been to prison here. I said, I've been to the fed, I remember, but not state prison. But I fought, I fought. And I told the judge, Your Honor, I promise you, I will take a drug test every day. I would do whatever you want me to do. I swear to God. He said, what make this time different than all your other? Your whole life, you've been a criminal. What made this time different? I say because this time, I got to raise a child for seven years. and she ain't did my first couple of kids i ain't know them i was in jailed the whole life

just if you let me go i'll do anything you honor he gave me that chance and for the last six months guess what i've been calling the number every day taking the piss test you gotta take a piss test today i got to go down there call tomorrow i call tomorrow everything for five months i've been clean i've been doing my thing the first youtube video i made about i said this is how i did check fraud step by step and went to jail for it it did say it's sad and did say EK got me my watch hours my everything that went video when I first came on that's great and I just kept making them my channel got monetized started making a few dollars then I started interviewing other scammers and now I just YouTube bro and I told God I kept my word to God

bro I don't do no crime bro I make content I promote other people stuff for them I got another faceless channel I'm working on um I do work on the side like a job. I'm an employee somewhere. I don't expose it online, though. So yeah, I'm good now, bro. And I don't know God bless me in the way I can't explain, bro. That's why I tell people, bro. Don't go through what I went through just to figure out it's a good part of life. Like, I've been making $5,6 grand off of content a month, bro. I used to make $5,000 off of drugs, too, but guess what? I owe $3,000 of it to the drug dealer. And you got to do prison time for it.

Yeah, I only made $2,000. I gotta go, it's too much. Like, it ain't worth it. It ain't worth it. Drugs, selling drugs ain't worth it. No crime. If you can be a good criminal, you could be a very good

blue-collar person. Absolutely. Because if you're not a good criminal, you're going to be a do a lot of time like me. I ain't a good criminal, bro. I'm not. But I'm smart enough to know when enough is enough. And you're a great story, though.

I know when enough is enough, bro. But I ain't going to lie, though. When I found that check glitch, this is going to sound weird. When I found that check glitch, I thank God one day. I said, God, I don't know if I'm wrong or right for thanking you. Where has this been my whole life, bro? It's been nice in. I would walk outside mad at my girlfriend just because that's what I do when I get mad.

I don't fight. I don't hit girls. I don't hit nobody. If I'm going to arms that mad, I want to fight you, I just walk. But sometimes I walked back then for 2019 to 20203, I would just sit around the mailbox while I'm walking mad at my girl just open it. It would be 10 checks in it, you know, 10.15. And the next day I would have 20, 30 grand.

I mean, not, 5, 10, 10, 10, 10, 30 grand. I'm making 80 grand, 60 grand some months. I would be like, God, should I thank you or not? I don't even know. But quick story, how I scam the game. I got to get this out because I want to pay him back. That's why I won't sell on your platform. If I'm not a bad person, I don't change my whole life around.

I don't scamming. Everybody around me knows this, though. All my family tell me they're proud of me. Like, bro, we could tell you different. You know what I'm saying? But I would have been failed to drill a test by now if I wasn't different. But 2021, in that little time frame, I'm scamming. Boom.

Game come on the internet. He said, you want a verse for me? Right now, I'm doing all deals for independent artists. If you're independent artists, tap in. So I go on Instagram, tap in. Boom. I don't think nothing of it. He doesn't say nothing back to me immediately.

But he watches one of my videos on my page on Instagram. There's a receipt still here. He watches a video on my page on Instagram, and he put flames under it. And my brother called me, Bro, the game, just flame your shit. I'm like, who? He's like, the rapper, the game from Cali?

He put a flame on your video, bro. Like, he fucked with you. I'm like, hell, no, it's a fake page. I check it out, click the page. Really the game. 12 million followers, everything. Verified. Boom.

Okay, so I DM them again. Bro, you like my music? You're like, yeah. You're like, yeah. You're like, what you got right now? Like, I ain't trying to, I know you ain't got no record deal. I know you're independent. What you got right now if you're serious about your craft?

I said, 500. He said, sending on cash up right now. I sent it right then. Boom, cash up. He said, all right, look, for this 500, what I'm about to do. I'm about to post you on my story for 24 hours. I'm going to tell out my follower to follow you. I'm going to shout you out.

But if you want me to do, like, to host one of your songs or one of your tapes, give me a thousand more dollars and I host one of your tapes. I said, all right, cool, bro. So I send the 500. And then I wait like 20 minutes and I say, did you get the 500? He said, I don't know yet. Send me a screenshot that you really sent it. So I sent the screenshot that I sent it.

Put me on this story and all this shit. I'm getting followers. And I started thinking because I'm always. trying to overthink, you know my brain bigger than... I'm like, he said he didn't know if he had the money yet. So screenshot it and sent him a screenshot. What that mean, Capo? That means his cash out must not be connected to his phone

so he don't get notifications. Oh, I can finesse this. Hold on. All right, cool. So I sent the first 500, it was real. I waited about five days. I went to Photoshop. I made another cash out

$500. I just changed the time to write then, changed the date to right then, cropped it up, made it look good, and I sent it to the game screenshot. Boom, I said, this is a second $500. He said, cool, send me one more.

$500 and we're going to get it dead. I'm like, oh my fucking God. He really doesn't know that I ain't sending shit. It's not connected to his phone. Like, what is he doing? This can't be true, man. What the fuck? And I'm a piece of shit for this.

But I was scamming at the time. I wasn't thinking. I'm on drugs. I'm in the streets. This is what I'm doing right. I'm scamming right now. And I'm like, I'm going to get a whole song with the game.

But I'm so retarded and dumb that I'd rather scam them and play games than just build a unique relationship. You know what I'm saying? That's why I say I'm going to pay him back. That's why I want him to see this. I want him to see this. I want to pay you, bro. But, so he said, send me one more 500. and we're going to do it.

I waited six days in heartbeat. I'm like, I try this shit again, man. This man, this crazy. So I do it again, Photoshop, fake 500, send us it to his DM, boom. He said, all right, bro, check your email tomorrow. All right, cool. He said, I'm a host a song for you. I said, all right, cool.

I check my email the next day. I'm about to show it to you. He really sent me this shit, bro. He really did. The game. I want to pay you, bro, if you see this. I was just on some dumb shit, bro. I was like, I can't believe this shit.

Like, what? Is he going to really go for that? I don't know, bro. When you're in a criminal mind state, can't nothing. Take you out of that mind state but yourself. You got to be ready to change. You have to be ready to change.

Motherfucker. BMG cop on this motherfucker. You already know, nigga. Bombed into Georgia. We ain't playing with you, niggas. And you know us, yeah, pride before anything else. And you know us, pride before anything else, nigger. Hats off.

This is the G-Mix. All right, so he was, like, hosting. So basically, though, what's lyric? So you know how DJ drama. Even if you know rap music, some DJs just talk over songs, like, we the best, we did. So he's like, take that and put it over songs. You know what I'm saying?

So, yeah, I chopped it up. I put it on a song, going to Apple Music, and all that shit. bro, I don't, but I don't deserve it for free. I can't believe you successfully scammed him. I don't, bro, to this day, bro. Does he know you scammed him? I don't know, bro. Oh, he never confronted you or anything?

I sent him two fake screenshots of $500 twice. He sent me these lyrics back, and I just, I don't think that he knows, bro. Wow. See how I mixed it up myself? But what's also something like that could get you a long way. What's also surprising is how cheap he's charging for that. Right. It's pretty crazy.

Crazy story, bro. I wanted to get that scary. Because I don't feel good about it. But everything I ever did bad, I got to release it. Yeah. I got to release it. I got to make it right. That's the only way my karma going to fix itself.

Absolutely. That's why I say, I'm going to say this on end podcast, bro. Because, like, I was just, I was some crazy shit back then. But, game, my bad, bro. I want to pay you, bro. And I want to do another song, which I pay for that, too. Because I really look up to your music. And I really wanted to be with you, a song with you so bad.

couldn't afford it and I was too much of a sucker to say I'm too broke to afford you bro I ain't want to say that I'd rather just try to play you and I'm sorry for that straight up you know he probably respected the fact that you went through those hoops just to get that that was big for me I grew up on this and then all he's out is a couple minutes of his time but uh capo I appreciate you coming on the show today man you uh thank you bro man crushed this interview you did really um so bro how this is just for you real quick this is just for you real quick before we leave. How did it feel during that 100 days? Oh, sorry. Is that the game call?

How did it feel during those 100 days in that jail cell, bro? It was hard, man. It was definitely harder than I expected. Would I do it again? Probably not. But it was a good experience, you know? Everything works out the way it's supposed to in life. Did you have a girl at the time? No, I didn't. If I did, that's why you did it probably. No, if I did, one day 50 would have been way different with the visit and stuff, you know? Right, right. would have been a whole different situation.

I probably wouldn't have done it, honestly, if I had a girlfriend or if I'd just started talking to someone. But that's timing and everything. I met my girlfriend after. Right, right. So, like, literally right after I got back out. So it all works out the way it's supposed to. And that's cool, bro.

Yeah, it was a good experience. It gave me definitely more, like, credibility in the space. But the comments are funny where I'll see, like, I'll make content and have it out. People would be like, oh, dude's really milking this Mr. Beast thing, or, you know, dudes falling off. And people will- You can't worry about that.

People defend me in there like he had a platform before Mr. Beast. I had over a million followers on TikTok before I ever did Mr. Beast. And 400,000 subscribers on YouTube. So, you know, father-in-in. So I'm telling you this, for everybody who's watching before I get out of here, I want you all know the power of manifestation is real, whatever you want. You can do it, bro. I watched it on Mr. Beast.

Saw it, boom. Went to his content. Saw it. I was like, he got his, uh-huh. locked in with him and now I'm here. Like, whatever you want to happen and your life can happen. You know what I'm saying?

I had a stirre detail. I wanted to come share with him. But, yeah, bro, I appreciate you. I got my own channel, bro. You know, I make content now and people like you who are inspiring me. So, yeah, I appreciate you for having me, bro, for sure. Always.