Locked In with Ian Bick - Glen "Big Baby" Davis: How I Survived Federal Prison

Episode Date: September 3, 2026

Glen "Big Baby" Davis grew up with a love for theater, got drafted to the NBA, won a championship with the Boston Celtics, had his career ended by injury, navigated the struggles of life after the league, made decisions that produced a federal indictment, went to prison — riding Con Air, surviving the specific realities of federal institutional life, and collecting the stories most people never get to hear — and is finally sitting down for his first interview since being released to tell the complete truth about everything. _____________________________________________ #prison #truecrimestories #prisonstories #NBA #bostonceltics _____________________________________________ Thank you to CASH APP for sponsoring this episode:  Download Cash App Today: https://click.cash.app/ui6m/6pao71et #CashAppPod Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App's bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. 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Visit cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures. _____________________________________________ Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ _____________________________________________ Timestamps: 00:00 Intake: The Weirdest Strip Search 00:36 From NBA Champion to Federal Prison 01:02 Landing the Role on Power 03:17 Growing Up in Baton Rouge 04:40 Forced into Sports vs. Theater Passion 05:23 The Origin of 'Big Baby' 06:33 Teenage Curiosity and Escaping the Streets 08:25 Realizing the NBA Dream 10:20 College Years: LSU and Full Sail 12:56 The Hidden Side of Big Baby 13:27 Drafted to the Celtics: Championship Run 15:18 Timing, Fate, and the Celtics-Lakers Rivalry 16:35 Life After the Celtics: Orlando and Clippers 17:10 The Fake Car Accident Story 18:51 Staying Away from Trouble at the Peak 20:33 Survivor's Guilt and Keeping Boundaries 21:44 Athletes Losing Identity After Sports 23:20 Planning for Life After Basketball 25:54 Rebuilding Finances: Cash App Green 28:16 Financial Mistakes and Lack of a Plan 29:25 Going Back to School for Acting 30:44 Would the Injury Have Prevented Prison? 31:50 The Fraud Scheme Explained 34:38 Discovering the Federal Investigation 36:18 The Timeline and Lack of Concern 37:02 Why He Didn't Reach Out to Co-Conspirators 38:40 Arrested and the Media Firestorm 40:02 Disproportionate Punishment: $80K Restitution 41:35 Others Who Got Away: Tony Allen, Matt Barnes 43:36 Dealing with Public Scrutiny and Betrayal 45:46 Losing Relationships and Reputation 46:35 Pre-Trial Release and the Decision to Go to Trial 47:38 Why the Jury Convicted Him 49:30 The Verdict: Feeling Helpless 51:02 Aftermath: Cut Off and Shunned 51:50 NBA Treatment and the Cloud Over Him 53:09 Sentencing: Four Years for $40K 56:34 Preparing for Prison and Self-Surrender 57:20 First Day: The Drive to Duth 59:49 Intake: The Booty Hole Jump 01:00:17 The Guard Knew Who He Was 01:00:33 The Ride with the Girl 01:01:00 Building 7: The Horrible First Housing 01:01:44 Prison Welcome and Getting a Phone 01:03:38 Smuggling Phones and the Cost 01:04:16 First Prison Meals and Holiday Food 01:05:29 Commissary Favorites: Nachos and Crack Bars 01:06:36 Mackerel as Currency and the Laundry Business 01:08:50 Roommate Steve McBee 01:09:43 Smuggled Food and Best Dishes 01:10:56 Case Managers and the Halfway House Struggle 01:12:33 Halfway Houses: Worse Than Prison 01:13:00 Rehabilitation and Recidivism 01:14:06 Why He Got Transferred from Duth 01:15:19 Watching Power in Prison 01:16:34 Getting Caught with Contraband 01:19:22 Solitary Confinement: The Horror 01:21:02 Reflecting on Mistakes in Solitary 01:21:20 Con Air: The Ride and the Chaos 01:23:58 Arriving at Terra Haute 01:25:03 The Journey to Yankton 01:26:36 Terra Haute: The Transfer Experience 01:28:14 Oklahoma City: The Hellhole with K2 01:30:05 Encounters with Gang Members and Murderers 01:32:43 The Constant Strip Searches 01:33:18 The Month-Long Transfer Process 01:33:57 Yankton: A Camp Run Like a Low 01:35:36 Sports and Gambling in Prison 01:38:20 Inmate Treatment and Photos 01:39:02 Celebrity Support and Power Cast Relations 01:40:11 Total Time Served and Release 01:40:51 Getting Out: The Halfway House 01:41:21 Home Confinement: The Ankle Monitor 01:42:47 Working at Hidden Empire Films 01:43:28 Reaching Out After Release 01:44:38 Current State: At Peace and Moving Forward 01:45:56 Restitution: Still Paying for His Own Money 01:46:46 Probation and Public Reception 01:48:54 Advice to Younger Self 01:49:41 Final Thoughts and Future Plans _____________________________________________ To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://advertising.libsyn.com/LockedInWithIanBicka

It wasn't a lot of guards there. It was just one guard and I had to get naked and make my booty hole jump. It was weirdest shit I've ever did in my life. Like, take off your shoes. All right. Lift your ball sack. And then turn around, bend over. Huh.

And like, I don't think I was like, huh and enough. So it was like, okay, I had to do it hard enough to make, make it. It looked like I didn't have, you know what I mean? It was so weird, bro. It was so weird. That's Glenn Big Baby Davis. He went from winning an NBA championship with the Boston Celtics to serving time in federal prison. Now, in his first interview since being released, he's opening up publicly about federal

prison for the first time. What got him there? Riding ConAir, surviving behind the walls, and what comes next? I had no idea that you were in power. I mean, like, I watched power, but I didn't put the two and two together until they brought it up at dinner the other night. Yeah, that's why I'm a pretty good actor, right? You didn't know? It was good.

No, you played a good, it fit you, you know? I just didn't know that that was you. Yeah, that was me, King Keelow. Iconic. I know. It was pretty cool, you know, how that happened. First of all, I was always a, you know, theater guy. I love, you know, I was my major in college and going to full cell.

But then I started getting, after basketball, started getting my, you know, basically started getting my time in with acting, right? Trying to, because I felt like I could do it. So I started like being a comedian first. And then so I'm doing a set on stage and some woman walks up to me and she's like, hey, do you want to act? And I'm like, yeah, sure. Like, why not? And so I get my first gig for shameless. Right? Because, you know, that woman, you know, she was like, oh, I'm going to get all these jobs for you.

I started booking these gigs. And then I did Lincoln Lawyer. Then I started doing some small films, some indie films. The next thing you know, I'm in New York, right? And 50 cents performing. And as he's performing, I'm sitting like in the next, he's like, yo, big baby, what's up? I'm like, yo, what's up? 50? Like, damn. I'm like, I didn't want to be like, you know, he knew who I was. So. man, I told him, I was like, 50, I'm an actor. He was like, what? You're lying. I'm like, yeah, bro. And as soon as next week, he gave me the part. I didn't have to audition or nothing.

I literally just got the part. That's crazy. I know. It was pretty cool. 50's the, 50s the man for that, right? For just being like, all right, cool, man. I like you. I'm going to put you in the film.

And he literally threw me in there and gave me, what, two seasons. And really, season three and season four. And Gianni always says that, you know, he looks out for the people that he likes and cares about. Yeah, most definitely. He definitely gave me some love, man. I appreciate him for that, man. Where'd you grow up? I grew up in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

What was your upbringing like there? I would have to say my upbringing was pretty tough, right? You know, growing up in a drug-infested neighborhood, killing. every day, you know, every day, you know, mom on drugs, didn't know who my father was at the time, you know, back then. I grew up in a very special place, you know. Who raised you since your mom was on drugs? A little bit of everybody, man.

My sister, my oldest sister, she's like 11 years older than me. And, you know, my grandmother. to stay with my grandmother. And then, you know, I played sports. So, like, coaches and things like that, you know. So it took a village. Was it always basketball or did you experiment in other sports? I was a football player and a baseball player.

I played basically everything, really. But I eventually just went to what I love and it was basketball. And I love football, but I think I had the wrong coach in high school. I think sometimes coaches can... deter you in different directions. So I end up just playing basketball. And I did pretty well for myself. Were you forced into sports?

Because you said you liked theater. Would you have rather chose that path? You know what? That's a good question. Because when I think about that, it's just like I was kind of forced into it because I was such a big kid. And so you're like, you're going to play football.

You're going to play basketball. Um, theater in, you know, producing, you know, little films, you know, when I was growing up, like, that was kind of like my passion. And so, um, I was kind of forced, you know, but I ended up being good and I liked it too. So, you know, it was, you know, kind of handled work yourself out. Now, did you get the name Big Baby in school when you were a kid? Well, I got the, in the hood. In the hood. That's how I got to do. name big baby you know what i mean so i was a big kid and i had a baby face and you know what i mean so that's just how i went down everybody was like that's big baby you look big baby you know so it just end up you know going further than i expected yeah did you think it would stick with you i had no

idea i was going to stick like that like it literally stuck like as soon as i got to high school and started playing like it just stuck and everybody just comment and Tatea start calling me and everybody started calling me on the TV. The next thing you know, somebody's calling me out on the SEC network and now it's like huge. Do you like it now?

I embrace it, right? I don't really care what people, you know. If you're using it in front of me, yeah, I'm going to like, you know, if you're using it in the wrong way, I'm going to, you know, beat your ass, you know. but you know I don't have no problem

if there was one word to describe you when you were a teenager what would that be a teenager describing myself one word I would have to say God curious I would think one word I was so super curious as a teenager

I would say that or just super passionate. What do you think you're most curious about? What, if I do something, how far could I go? I think that was the thing growing up. Like, oh, if I play football, how far would I go?

What if I play basketball? How far would I go? And I think the more and more I played sports, and the more and more I went down those paths, you know, they start to, you know, turn the levels up as far as curiosity, as far as things. I think I could do this. So that's why I said that. Was there ever a moment in your teenage years

where you could have chosen the streets because of your upbringing rather than a career in basketball? Oh, for sure, right? Because growing up, all you see is, you know, the neighborhood drug dealer, the guy got all the money in his pocket, ice cream man coming around. He buying everybody ice cream.

You see like that type of lifestyle, right? And you think, oh, I could be successful at doing that, right? I could have chose that path. I think being so good at, you know, sports young kind of veered me off to being able to go somewhere else, right? You're not in the hood all day, right? You're going to play baseball. You're going to play basketball. You're going to your friend's house, right?

And so I think sports just sheltered me and kept me away from, you know, those type of decisions. When did you know you could take it to a professional level? I didn't know to my senior year in high school and we're getting ready to start the year off and I look at practice and I see some NBA scouts at my high school practice. And I was like, what the hell? Like, what they're doing here, right?

And so I didn't know that process started, you know, in high school where NBA scouts started recruiting high school players and knowing who's who. And I was like, if they think I can go to the NBA, I mean, I'm pretty good. And that's when I was like, okay, I'm pretty good. And things start to change, right? Your mindset, you start to kind of fall into who you are and things worked out for me. How do you stay focused at that point in time and not let it get to your head? You know, now being the age that I am, I think about this a lot. Like, how does I get? get to where I, you know, am today, right, not having the brightest path.

I think understanding, I think that was my passion, like understanding what my passion was and what I wanted to do, I think that eagered me, I think it pushed me to go in that direction and just keep staying focused because of the things that basketball and those opportunities were giving me that I didn't, it was like, wow, this is crazy. You know what I mean? So I think feeling that and being exposed to so many different lifestyles as far as just what I was brought up in, I just think it just kept me focus, right? Knowing that you can make money or provide for your family, like it kept me discipline, right?

And away from all the riffraff that I was living in, you know. No, you said you went to full sale. Was there good basketball there? No, it's more like a, it's more like a film school production. You know what I mean? Entertainment, right? It's more all about like acting and, you know, producing studio, like that kind of school. So why go there and not, say, to a D1 basketball school?

Well, I went to Louisiana State University and played basketball there. I didn't go to Fullstale until my, when I got hurt in Orlando. Oh, you went later in life. Yeah, okay, gotcha. Because it's a two-year school, you know what I mean? so you don't have to, you know, go four years. I broke my ankle and my fifth metatorsal. So, you know, it kind of had me like, okay, I need to do something different, you know.

But I was a theater major in college at Louisiana State University. So, you know, theater was kind of like my foundation. And then when I got out, knowing that I wanted to be in entertainment someday, you know, as basketball kind of slowed down, I kind of like start open to those doors. as far as just you know I need to get some real education and things that I want to do and so that's what made me go there

but as far as D1 I went to Louisiana State University I played basketball there with LSU and then you know we went to the final four in 06 right after Katrina and so that was a cool experience

and just being in college basketball and dominating college basketball too was really, really cool. Who instilled that education was so important to you? My mom, you know, even though, you know, what she went through, you know what I mean? My mom did, you know, I think when I think back to she's the only one that really pushed me to go to school, you know what I mean? But I didn't realize education was important until I needed it to play basketball, right? My thing was, hey, I want to play basketball.

basketball, right? And so I got to have good grades to be in to play basketball. And so that's what I, all right, let me focus on this, right? I really wasn't a school guy. You know what I mean? Like, I was more like a, you know, improv class guy. Hey, theater, well, you know, to killing mockingbird, Macbeth. Like, I love that type of stuff. Like, it's so weird now when I think about it. I was kind of different. Do you think people don't understand that side of you? I don't think so. I don't think people understand because I think what sports, right, right, that image and what it builds, right, and that persona. But I don't think people truly know, like, who Glenn Big Baby Davis is, right? And so I think now being able to be out and only, you know, not focus on basketball or more,

there's other things that I can really truly do and so I'm super excited about that like the next stuff in my life where do you go after LSU after LSU I got drafted to the Boston Celtics I got drafted to the Boston Celtics well I got drafted

to the Seattle Supersonics and traded to the Boston Celtics for Ray with Ray Allen and then right win a championship with the Boston Celtics and kind of like a new door opened up, right? Being a Boston Celtic and winning a championship and just living in that area, right? Connecticut, Maine, all that far east, north, like.

Northeast, yeah. Northeast and like. New England. That whole area, right? Just a whole new door, right? You know, to open up, right? Like, I feel like I can go up there and be the mayor or something somewhere. Was that your first year with the Celtics that you guys won? Yeah, that was my first year. year of my first year so getting drafted coming straight onto a team that was you know that won a championship was super cool and you guys played the lakers we beat the lakers in no way yeah cobi was on that lakers yeah cobbis was on that team wow we beat the shit out of them what was that like playing the lakers in boston it was cool right as far as lakers in celtics and that rivalry it's like epic right magic jordan larry mudeau berg kevin mackale koree md dole jubar like

Like, you know, those guys set the stage, right? Bill Russell, Jerry West, like, those guys set the stage for that rivalry and now to be able to be a part of another rivalry, Celtics and Lakers. It's like epic, right, and big. So, you know, I've embraced it, right? I was lucky and blessed to be fortunate to play for a great organization like that. And it's helped me throughout my career. Yeah, what do you think of the concept of timing and fate? I mean, if you don't make it on that specific team in that specific year,

do you have that name? No, right? The timing and fate of just being able to be on that team at that time was really special and lucky. You know what I mean? Like, I don't think I really, you know, do I think Glenn Davis, you know, becomes who he is if he plays for a different team? I think, you know, a part of me, yeah. But just being on that team, the Celtics just blew it up even more about just, you know, my character, who I am, you know what I mean?

So that whole rivalry, Lakers Celtic and just being on part of the Celtics team, is just benefited me in a lot of ways. Now, at that point in time, do you think you truly love the game of basketball or was your mind always somewhere else? I've always had a love for it, right, because of what it did for me, right? basketball just took me so many different doors and avenues and opportunities so I can you know I can never repay basketball back for what it's done for me you know so um you know I've just I just love the game you know I love the game and you know love being a part of it how long did you stay with the Celtics for I was with the Celtics for like four years and uh end up going to Orlando Magics after that getting a contract down there and then

and end up going to the clippers playing there. You escape the snow. Yeah. Yeah. It was tough nights, you know, especially in Boston. Matter of fact, I got in a car accident on the way to a basketball game. We were playing in New York Knicks and there was so much ice on the road and snow, I wrecked, knocked out.

I'll never forget that. That was wild. It was just you in the car? It was just me in the car, and I'm headed to the game. And it's so snowy, right? I hit some white ice right by Finway on the 90 going west, 90 West, right by Fenway, spin around, boom, hit another car, boom, and I just knocked out in the car. I was really just faking like I was knocked out because...

You didn't want to play for the insurance money. When I got it, when I hit the car, I was like, oh, my God. I got to act like I'm really hurt because I'm about to miss the game, right? Because I just fucking, I'm a little late too. Like, I'm like running a little late, right? Because it's snowing, right? It's just, we had to drive far from where we practice at

to where we played at. And so I literally, because of the weather, I literally hit a car, boom. And I just fake like I was out like, like I got knocked. because I didn't want Doc Rivers or Danny Ains to be upset, right? So I was like, shit, I might as well be like, I got into a car because I couldn't go to the game. So yeah, that's a good one. I had to fake.

So do you end up playing that game or no? No, I didn't make it because I had to fake like I got knocked out. That was so funny. I'd never forget. I literally start playing fake like. in the car because I knew I was like damn I'm not going to make it to the game now at the at the peak of your basketball career how are you able to stay away from you know the drug scene or getting into trouble like you see some NBA players or just blowing all your money well you don't really stay

away from it you just know how to stiff arm it you know what I mean I think um I had to learn through my years to be able to stay away from you know because when you I have I think I had like well I know for a fact you know doing treatment

that I had survival's remorse right being able to come from a situation and survive and then feel like you know you want to bring others over with you

you know and I had that for a little while as far as you know being able to keep people around me that I grew up with right and feel like I didn't forget them

or that I didn't reach back or I didn't give back so um you know, I had to learn that part and being able to keep my boundaries, right, and just always keep the greater good up front. You know what I mean? I think sometimes we know what we're supposed to do, but we don't keep it here, right? We keep it down there or, you know, we think it's always going to be, you know, so I just, you know, I just prayed a lot, you know, and I think just being a good person, you know, and I think just being a good person, you know, You know, I think that's what helped me kind of navigate and figure this thing out, you know,

but still having gaps, you know what I mean? And things happen, right? And so sometimes things slip through, you know, and you end up going to jail. Now, do you mean survivors' guilt from what you escaped as a child, that environment? Yeah, what I escaped as a child, but then also making a better opportunity for myself in trying to give other people the same opportunity or feel the same things that I feel. I think I wanted that for a lot of people about life. But some people don't deserve that.

And some people can bring down the whole household, you know what I mean? If you keep that type of poison around you. So I just had to learn and, you know, kind of, you know, go through life, learning through experiences. You know what I mean? Because, right, who are you going to talk to, right? Who are you going to rely on, right? Do you think that's how a lot of stars get themselves in trouble? You see like the rappers that bring their friends along that end up maybe say killing someone or

I think it has a part to do with it right as far as just you know people places and things your boundaries your discipline you know what I mean so it's just like sometimes you know your past can haunt you or be around to the point where it affects you in a negative way and I think I think young athletes, you know, are trying to really find their self outside of the sport, right? When the sports cut off, right? You know, who am I? You know, and I think we as athletes have to still work on that in spite of knowing that these sports are, you know, are taking a whole of our lives. And, you know, that's a part of us.

But sometimes in this world, that sport can be cut off and taken away from you. You can never play again. So you truly still have to do the work to find out who you are as an individual. And I think sometimes that's where the disconnection is at for the athletes, right? They don't know who they are, you know, after the sport, right? And so I think that's the greater good you always got to hold. year because knowing that the game's going to end one day, those are things that you've got to be working on.

Is this something you've learned now or did you have this mindset in your early 20s? I learned this now, right? You know, I learned this now, like, being able to think about who I was as an athlete, the connections I have and the doors that could have been open when I was an athlete until now, right? Like, trying to still open those doors and, yeah, they will open. But imagine if at the prime of my career, I were doing these things kind of getting myself prepared for this moment, you know. There's no telling how far I've been by now.

So at the height of your NBA career, what are you thinking of for the future? Was it getting into acting or? No, right? At the height of my career, you don't think it does. You don't think it ends. You don't think it's going to, you know, you're going to do this for a long time. And, you know, but when injury hits and now you got to like, oh. what am I going to do?

What's the next move for me? Right? I think just being aware that this can happen, right? The game can end, right? I need to start planting the seeds right now. So when it's time for my harvest, I can collect at the right time. You know what I mean?

How old were you when your career ended? I was like 28. And so you're in the league for what, like seven or eight years? Yep, yep, about nine years. How long were you expecting to play for? Did you have more length to it? 12, 13 years. At least 12, 13, for sure.

That's what I was thinking. But it didn't work out that way. That hurt, you know? And so just that transition into being that next person, okay, that's a crazy gap, right? So many things you're trying to find and do and filled voids of not being able to feel those same feelings when you were a basketball player, when you were at the height of your career, you're trying to replace that with things.

And if you're not disciplined and not on the right track or have an idea, you're going to kind of stray off a little bit, right? Because you're trying to figure this thing out, you know, and then people, places and things, sometimes people, they don't mind you, you know, they don't mind you any good, they don't mind you. nothing like you know so it's just like you're trying to figure this out you know and figure out a whole new shift to people that you used to have now you know so it's just a process i think younger kids now because of nil they have to have this right they have to experience or have somebody

that understands this you know i mean without going through making mistakes you know like somebody, hey, this is what you can do instead of doing this, right? And so I think that's the thing now with younger kids, it's just got to start younger and having them say, hey, here's the greater good. These are the things you have to focus on. You focus on it now, right? Don't make, don't let your younger self make decisions for your older self. One thing I don't think I've talked about enough is how different money feels when you're trying to rebuild your life. When I got out of prison, I wasn't walking into some perfect situation. I was starting over from scratch.

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I haven't really put the time in as far as, okay, cool, but you have somebody else doing it, which they don't, you know, and that matters too when you got other people doing stuff and they don't do right by you, you know, or they're not, or they're dropping the ball because you're trying to stay focused over here, but they're dropping the ball over here. It's just like, you got to have your stuff put together, you know what I mean, and what you want to do and how you want to do things, or that money that you're getting from playing, it's just going to go straight in and out your account. You know what I mean?

So as an athlete, you got to see all these things. You don't see it at the time of when you're playing, you know, especially if you don't got the right people around you. You know, when you're your own boss and you're young, you know, you got to kind of figure it out. And, you know, I made those types of mistakes of, you know, being a young athlete making money. So do you go right from retiring to then full,

sale or was there a time in between? No, I played, I got hurt and then I enrolled while I was out for the year. I was out for two years, basically. Was that weird going back to college and being a star? It wasn't weird. It was more like just like, it was just like, okay. It was something new, right? So I was super excited, but I know I had love for it, you know?

Because that's what all I did growing up middle school, do filming and, acting and so it wasn't weird it was it was super exciting in a way do you think it was hard to reinvent yourself when the public you know thinks of you one way as this basketball player no i don't think so i don't think it's hard to reinvent when that when that person that you are is that's you right when it's something that you're not that person and you're trying to reinvent to whoever that person you think you are or but when you know that that's you it's it's easy it's easy to do you know it's not hard to do because it's natural this is you know acting and entertainment and production is a passion for me you know so it wasn't hard if that injury never happened do you think you

still end up in prison i don't think so i don't think i would never go to prison because first of all i'm not hurt right and so I'm still playing I'm still enjoying my time you know what I mean I'm not even in this situation or even go to prison right because I went to prison right for right fraud and why you know wire fraud whatever you know so but it's like a different situation you know what I mean so it's like basically I went to prison for possibly still in my own money for injury that I had, which I truly did have an injury, which, right, dealing with my financial advisor and my business manager, a guy who runs my whole life, you know, signing

papers that he shouldn't have signed, right? And me, believe me in him. So if I don't get injured, I'm not even, I don't think I go to jail, you know what I mean? What exactly happened? So basically, um, there was a group of guys, right? Terrence Williams, Allen, Anderson, Tony Allen, a group of guys who, right, Keon Dooley, that basically came together and try to defraud the plan. The thing that was kind of crazy because a lot of athletes, they have injuries. You know what I mean? Like, they have real true injuries that, you know, and so basically a couple of players tried to take advantage of that. And so with that being said, is the fact that I didn't know what truly was going on, right?

When they came to me, Alan Anderson and Terrence Williams, when they came to me, right, I didn't know. I didn't know how to do it. I just knew like, all right, cool, we got this money, right? And so let me get my financial advisor and see what I can do, my business manager, and see what I can do to get my money back. And so when they all came to me, right, I didn't know. So I was like, hey, financial advisor, hey, can you help me, Edgar Abrams?

you know, uh, he's like, yeah, I can do this. He said, review it, sign it,

send it back, right? And so now I'm a part of the plan, right? Whatever these guys, Terrence Williams did to convince my guy to do it. Right. Now I'm in,

I'm in it. You know what I mean? And so, um, right, we, I never got any money from the initial, right?

They kept investigating me, right? And so my, another one of my friends, another why that I didn't want to testify because a friend of mine pointed me to this doctor which was assigned

to us at the big three. The big three is basically a league ice Q league that we play basketball against each other and so we get treatment on our bodies during that season and that doctor was there. Dr. Rashar Stanford

and Atlanta spine doctor. He was there. Matter of fact he was one of the coaches on the team right and so now my friend that plays on that team hey man we're going to get treatment and so i'm getting treatment with them every week i'm paying him some cash you know what i mean he's invoicing me some things and i'm like all right cool i got my card you can use it because the NBA gave us a card and so now when we go to court my financial advice that testifies against me and this doctor who's been recruiting me from the big three

Right. He basically pleads the fifth doesn't show up to court. We can't ask him no questions. And, right, I go to jail for $40,000. How did you find out you're under investigation? I found out I was under investigation when I went to, there was another doctor, Indian doctor in the valley, Dr. Pat. I go to the facility to go do some treatment, and he's like, yo, the feds came here. I was like, what? The feds came in here, and they asked some questions about you. And I'm just like, what did you tell them?

It's like, you know, you're one of the guys. You come here, and I was like, okay, I should be cool then, you know? But no, that was an investigation. So do you get a lawyer right away to look into it? I didn't know how serious it was, you know what I mean? because I know I didn't do anything. So it was just like I didn't jump on it as soon as I, you know, I just literally called them.

It was like, hey, like I, right? I called the healthcare place. And I, you know, I was like, hey, like, I got nothing to do with this. Like, this is a whole, like, I have no idea what was going on. Like, you know what I mean? I have a real injury here. I'm trying to get real money back from what I've done, you know, to my foot. And so they had lawyers on there and I was just talking to them.

So it was, they brought it up in trial. Like, I was like, what do you mean? Like, I lied. Like, no, I didn't lie. This is all the truth. I told you everything that I know. I still went to jail. What's a time period from when you initially signed that document and got involved

with the plan versus when you found out you were being investigated? I think it was like a year. And what was this like 2000? and then... Yeah, this is like during COVID. 2020. So you're already out for a few years out of the league? Yeah, I've been out for a few years.

Yeah. And what are you doing for work at that time? Do you just have a pension or...? Oh, I had a pension. I had a business in cannabis field, manufacturing. I was doing appearances. I was acting. I was doing a lot of stuff.

So you weren't hurting financially or how to... No, I wasn't hurting. I wasn't hurting. I had my pension and other things that I had doing. So do you call the other guys that you were friendly with when you found out you were being investigated? No, I didn't call them. You know, I didn't call them. I didn't, you know what I mean?

I didn't talk to them or, you know what I mean? Why do you think you didn't? As far as what? To check and be like, hey, I'm not involved in this. What's going on with this? Like, call my friends? Yeah. or call the guys that were a part of it.

You knew them. Oh, no. I didn't, see, that's the thing. I knew them, but I didn't know them. Like, you know what I mean? Like, so if we're, it's like I know of them, you know what I mean? But it's like, I don't know them, like to be calling them and hey, hey, you know what I mean? But if I call, could we all, like, playing in the basketball, playing the NBA, it's like a brotherhood.

It's like, I know, I know him, right? Because I've seen him play, but I don't know him, right? We don't have each other's number to be like, all right, cool, let me call you. You know what I mean? But when the investigators started coming and I figured that out, I didn't want to talk to none of them because they, they own a scam. Like, they're trying to scam. So it's like, what I'm going to do is call them up and be like, you know, all I'm going to do is call up and say, you know, motherfucker. What the fuck are you doing?

Like, you know what I'm saying? But, like, that's why I needed to, that's why I had to take responsibility of it because of my financial advisor and me putting him in the situation where he's trying to figure something out. but you know what I mean Like I shouldn't even gave you that to even do that to me like that You know what I mean? Like I shouldn't even had that had him in that situation Because of the type of person he is You know what I mean?

So now do the feds come to you to try to make a deal Or do they arrest you and do the pony show and everything? They never tried to come to me and make a deal You know and I'm thinking because right I went on Vlad TV and was talking hey I'm going to trial because they never came to me and was like, hey, we know you're not scamming, you know what I mean? You're just in with these guys over here that's kind of scam you, right? They never came to me and tried to make a deal.

When you went on Vlad, had you been arrested physically yet? Yeah, I was arrested. They came and sent police to my apartment at the time. Sent police, like, never gave me a chance to talk or never gave me a chance to say, hey, what happened? You know what I mean? What was that like being arrested? It sucked.

You know what I mean? And like, you know, your neighbors and everything, you know, they're in your business now. And then now you're on ESPN. And now your whole life, everybody's like, as soon as I got out of jail, you know, everybody's like, big baby. Oh shit, man. You're all over ESPN. You're like, what the fuck, man?

Like, it was embarrassing. The crazy thing about your case and, you know, You know, it's not even by opinion. It's just the facts. When you look at the articles when you first got arrested, it made it look way worse. Way worse. But then when you look at your restitution order,

it's $80,000 in some reports. That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. They literally wanted to make me out an example. And you're right? There was a lot of people got investigated. You know, Kendrick Perkins, right? You see him on ESPN.

Tony Allen, he was literally the third person on the indictment, fourth person on the indictment with his wife. You know what I mean? Like, he's not walking in jail. Darius Miles, he's not walking in jail. And these guys got money, like thousands of dollars. Right? And now I end up in jail.

And these guys are probation walking free. You know, their whole life is still intact. You know what I mean? Like, so I think the, I think the feds picked and chose who they wanted to be. I think the NBA let the feds pick who they wanted and chose to, right? Because if 180 people were investigated, subpoenaed, we didn't hear about all those people. We just heard about the 22, you know, 22 people that got caught. or that got jammed in a situation, right?

A lot of people played out. They didn't go to jail. You know what I mean? They didn't even go get time served. Now, did those individuals actually steal money? Yeah. Yeah. Actually stole money, thousands, hundreds of thousand dollars.

Your favorite podcast, people you see on different podcasts. Matt Barnes. Stephen Jack All those people were investigated Gilbert Arenas Corey McGettie Cotino Moble Thousands of NBA players

were investigated They just let some of them go to jail Some of them The feds got but then Right? Like Hotony Allen He didn't go to jail He's still out

You know what I mean? Whatever he did to get free You know what I mean? It's interesting why they press so hard against you because in a way you're a small fish, a dollar amount wise, and you weren't even actively playing still, so it's not even that sexy of a title. It's not. I just really think the healthcare company and the feds, right, they were working together. The woman that works for the health care company was also the lawyer for the feds, prosecutor, right? the one that was trying to get meat, you know what I mean? Or the one that was working for the healthcare company and the feds kind of, right?

And so now the NBA is like, oh, shit, they got these guys, you know, doing this stuff. Like, we got to give them something. And they picked and choose who they wanted to give. Right? You're not going to get our ESPN analyst guy. We're not going to get this guy. He's doing, you know, the Chris Bosch was on that list. It was like it was a lot of athletes.

that were, you know, taking money, basically. And so they just, and that's the truth. You can go all look it up. You can go look it up. This is all information that you can go look up. So now when you got arrested, how did you feel about the news and the talk shows and probably people you were friends with

coming out and saying nasty things or bashing you? I hated it because I really, really hated it because y'all don't know the situation. y'all act like i'm taking money you know or the money that i'm taking are from innocent people or you know situations you know what i mean this is money that i put in an account for my health care right because i'm an NBA basketball player and that's how the collecting a bargaining agreement came together you know what i mean this is not a regular job or taxpayers money this is my money that i worked hard for it and put to the side in this account

Right. And I have an injury. Right. I broke my foot, my foot and my fifth metatorsal. I'm owed this money. You know what I mean? And people looked at it like, oh, he's stealing. You know, he's doing this. He's committing fraud, right? You guys don't know what we have to go through every single day being an athlete in this world. Right? Like, how many times I had to do things to get my body good enough? well enough to play. You know what I mean? Like this injury is going to be with me forever. And so now you guys throwing me in jail? Like, because of a mistake, right? But not really a mistake. Just because dealing with the wrong people, right?

Because everybody's not good. You know what I mean? But, you know, people trying to defraud situations when I have a real situation. You know what I mean? So it's like, it's crazy. I didn't like it. I didn't like how I was perceived and how it made me look. You know what I mean? When people don't even know the situation. You know what I mean? You don't know. They just, oh, he just stole. He's scamming. No, I'm really not.

Like, you know what I mean? This money's owed to me. This is my money for my health care. How are you going to tell me what's hurting on my body? What's not? You know what I mean? Like, it's crazy. What happened behind the scenes? Do you lose all your, say, brand deals or appear? experiences become like you got arrested. You lose relationships that you've been building up for years, right? Your image is tainted, right? All the hard work you put in as a, right, as a role model is now depleted. Like, you know, so it's just like you got to start over and you got to be a special

person to start over. You know what I mean? Like to look at, to look that in the face and be like, oh, okay, you know, I'm going to move on and keep going. Like, that's hard to do. You know what I mean? Like, it's tough to do when you build yourself up as this person, you know, in the world. So, you know, but it's something I can do because, you know, I'm a special individual, you know what I mean?

Were you on bail the whole time while you're fighting your case? Yeah. I was on pre-trial release. Yeah, pre-trial release. Yeah, I couldn't do nothing really. But, you know, my parole officer was pretty cool. You know what I mean? she let me, you know, do whatever I needed to do to make money.

Do you end up going to trial or do you take a point out? I went to trial. Wow. I went to trial. Right? If I've done something and I'm red-handed caught of doing something, there's no way in hell will I go to trial if I know I did something. That's just gangster one-on-one, right?

They got you. You take the plea, right? I literally sat there and was just like, there's no way I can lie about taking the plea, like, that I'm going to take this plea when I did not know. You know what I mean? It's just like I couldn't tell on nobody because I didn't know. You know what I mean? Like, it's crazy. Why do you think the jury ended up convicting you?

I didn't testify, right? What do you, you know, I think that was another mistake that my lawyer, you know what I mean, made. get up and tell your story. You can explain all this stuff and why it is what it is, right? The doctor, right, that recruited me at the big three, right? They thought I recruited him. Crazy. He says, you know, the doctor recruited me.

So it's just like all that type of information is like wasn't told. There was so much stuff left out. Him pleading the fifth and me not. getting up there, you know, right? That's what sunk me. Because if I can get up there and explain, hey, this is the guy I met at the big three. He's a coach. These are why these dates are these dates. This is why these dates have me traveling, not at Atlanta spine doctor. You get what I'm saying? Like, if we're on the road traveling, I'm not going to be at Atlanta spine doctor. I'm going to be in these states where we're having these big three games. That's why this phone is.

pinging right here. They made it seem like, oh, I was supposed to be in Atlanta. No, I was playing in the big three tournament. And we were traveling all over these cities. They used that cities like, oh, you wasn't there in Atlanta. You was over here in these cities. Right? It's like, no, that doctor was with me in these cities. So that's where he sent the invoices from where he was doing the work where he was doing the work at. They made it seem like. like, oh, I'm supposed to be in Atlanta. You're not there. You're in these cities.

Crazy. That's crazy. How did it feel to be convicted? What was that like? Man, I felt like I didn't, I felt helpless, bro. Like, I literally, when, like, they were in there and they were just talking to me, you know, so many witnesses and all this stuff. I just felt helpless. Like, there's no way you can win this.

It's overwhelming. Yeah, like you look over to the left, you see all these damn other lawyers. They're coming every day. They're plotting. Those three lawyers are always talking to them. And it was like, what the fuck? Like, literally, y'all really painted this picture on the wrong shit and made a story. And just because I didn't testify, you guys won.

Because I could have explained every single thing that happened up there. You know what I mean? and it would a match with all types of different things of other people. You know what I mean? Did you just take the advice of your lawyer when he said you shouldn't testify or were you pushing? I just, I was pushing. But me and my lawyer, I wanted to fire her at that moment because she didn't let me testify. And my judge is like, you can't fire her in the middle of trial because I'm like, I want to testify.

No, don't testify. You're, you know, you're too emotional. You won't make it. I'm like, what? What? I'm like, but it's the honest truth. Like, you know, there's nothing else I can see here and talk about. Like, you know what I mean? But the truth on why I'm in this situation. So once you're convicted, did people cut you off even more? Maybe people that were holding on. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. You know, I have rich, you know, wealthy friends, you know. Like, you know, they look at me the same, you know. All my supporters from my foundation. right i got all these awesome people on my foundation and now i'm going to jail for fraud

lsu takes all my remember bill you down right i went to the final four right so now i'm everywhere over there right as far as my success and what i've done you know my alumni you know world is over with you know all the relationships i built like it costs me a lot to go through that, man. How does the NBA treat you? Can you go to a game or do they ban you from things? I don't know, but I haven't really been around the NBA yet. I was at NBA Summer League and it was really cool.

You can feel it, right? You can feel the energy, right? Like, oh, he just got out of jail. But it was like the person that I am and who I was kind of overflowed, right? Because I've always a good person to people. I never, you know, did anything negative or always had a great attitude with, you know, employees, people that work for the NBA. So when they seen me, it felt good, but it felt you could still fill the cloud, you know,

and for 40 grand of money that's mine, like, it's crazy. You know what I mean? Like, what about your credit, banking relationships, all that once you're convicted? Oh, just shit, right? You have a whole bank account with 100,000, 200,000, and they're like, hey, we don't want you here anymore because it's your fraud case. It's like wild. Really what happens when you get this fraud cloud over you and everything else, you know, kind of goes to shit a little bit. How long after the trial do you get sentenced?

And are you expecting to get prison time or do you think there's a way out? I wasn't expecting to really get prison time because of the amount of money it was. was, you know what I mean? Like, I thought I was like, for the probation or, but like, when I got to the needy-gritty and came down, I was already through trouble. I was like, you're going to get some prison time for this. I was just like, damn. It's fucking ridiculous.

Do you speak at your sentencing here? Did I speak at my sentencing? Yeah. Yeah. I spoke. And when I was talking to the judge, I was just. telling her judge like you know this is a misunderstanding right in a situation that's just been totally switched and turned to a whole other world you know what i mean like i tried to explain to

my injury what i had and the money that i felt was old to me you know and didn't work what does she end up giving you four years how did you feel when you got sentenced to four years in prison i felt like shit and I felt like it was my first experience of the government and how how dark it is right like how dark it is like wow like this happens I really see why people go to jail and be like hold up like I didn't do anything you guys are sending me to jail and I didn't do anything you know what I mean like how did they justify four years because you're in a fraud case it goes by the dollar amount and your dollar amount was so small like i had 500,000 restitution i got 36 months and that's a plea right no i went to trial i'm right there with you brother i went to trial

and everything my trial was almost a month long i testified and held my ground against prosecutors but I did it. I went through the whole thing. That's crazy. But they overcharged me. 15 counts. That's what they do. I won like half of them, but it doesn't matter. In the feds, they just have to win one.

But they wouldn't give me a good plea deal. They wanted me to go to prison. And I was young. I was 20. I was 19, 20 years old. And they were just so aggressive. And then you look at all these guys that steal millions and get 24 months, 12 months, a year and a day.

They'll never pay the money back. I couldn't believe it when I was sitting in jail with people that were like, how am I even here? This man got $200 million in restitution. And you only got three years? I was like, what the hell have I? And you know, what's crazy too is your lawyers tell you don't talk to the press. But the government gets to talk to the press. And you probably irritated them by going.

on Vlad and doing an interview. Oh, they were so upset. But that's the problem with society. You should be able to do that. Because the government does that. They send out press releases, all of that. Yeah. You just showed your side of the story.

That's it. And yeah, I went to jail, bro. So now do you get your bond revoked or do you have time to self-surrender? Self-surrendered. Where did they end up designating you to? Duluth, Minnesota. Now, how do you prepare for prison? Are you watching shows?

What did you know about prison? I had no idea, bro. I literally thought like, oh, shit. I'm about to go to jail. I'm going to be locked up. Then the more and more information you get, you're like, oh, you're going to camp. Oh, you don't have any gates. Like, it's like kind of open, you know what I mean?

And I'm just like, oh, man. But it's still prison. Like, you know, like, believe it or not. Like, I knew I was in prison when I had to bend over and cough. that's how I know. When I was naked and I had to make my booty hole jump, like, it drew me crazy. Yeah. I was like, oh, my God, I'm in jail.

Tell us about that first day, you know, pulling up, going through that process. And you're a big guy. You're almost seven feet tall. Yeah, bro. Like, it was crazy, bro, because I was like, okay, I got to get a flight, right? And so now I go to see my mother before I go. So I go kind of Atlanta for two days, three days. eat all types of food.

All types of food. I'm talking about I had a fucking buffet feast. Then I was just getting high, extremely high. It was just like, oh my God, I'm going to jail. You know what I mean? And that didn't help. But it was just like, all right. I was just eating.

And I was laughing a lot. Because I just wanted to be in moments where I could just just like, you know what I mean? Like, I think I, you know, and so I fly to Minnesota not knowing that, oh, shit, Duluth is two hours away from, you know. So I fly into the main city. I'm like, God damn, I got to get a ride now. So I find this young girl out in Minnesota who gives me a ride.

And she's like, yeah, I'll take you. And so I paid her like $400. bucks and I get in the back of her car and she has this like container at the bottom of her seat and I look at it and it's weed and I'm like oh my god this is perfect I need to hit this and so like I bought her weed and I like rode it up and she just drove me all the way up to fucking Duluth while I was smoking and stop and got me some fried chicken and like potato wedges and a cold drink I had a 10 piece before I left. From a KFC or somewhere else? Yeah, some like crunchy chicken gas station.

And so I'm smoking weed and eating chicken and you can see I made a post. Like kind of like, everybody, I'm going in, bro. Like I look high as hell. And so like I kind of stopped out front of the jail just to like chill. Like, you know, and then I just went in. And then it wasn't a lot of guards there. It was just one guard, and I had to get naked and make my booty hole jump. It was weirdest shit I've ever did in my life.

Like, take off your shoes. All right. Lift your ball sack. And then turn around, bend over. Huh. And, like, I don't think. I was like, huh and enough. So it was like, okay, I had to do it hard enough to make, make it look like I didn't have,

you know what I mean? It was so weird, bro. It was so weird. Do you think the guard knew who you were? Hell yeah, he knew exactly who I was. You could just tell. He wanted to ask me questions. He, you know, they don't, they, he wanted to keep it cool.

But he knew exactly who I was when I came up. Now, this girl, do you tell her, like, your whole life story? Did she know who you were? How do you even find her that brought you in there? Oh, brought me to jail? Yeah, the driver. I just kind of told her my story. She was a cute little girl.

You know what I mean? She's a vibe, you know? So it's like, she just took me. I paid her, though. That's probably a memory she's going to keep forever. Oh, yeah. She probably's never going to forget that, especially me smoking on her weed going up there.

So now where do you go after you get through intake? So I get through intake, and so they take me. me and put me in building fucking seven bro building seven was the most horrible building I'm talking about rusty nails showers

rusty like and the shower thing is about this big so I got to turn in sideways to shower right so and then the beds the beds were so fucking small like you know what I mean I'm just like I can't fucking believe this I got my little baby

locker, right? I got my little locker and I'm just like, man, I need some toiletries. You know, I don't got shit. I didn't bring shit. All I did have money to put on my books and stuff like that, but I need to get some stuff. And so, you know, as soon as I got there, everybody's like,

yeah, you need something. There, big baby, hey, hey, hey, hey. I'm like, sure, get it. All right, you know, because you know, you remember seeing that video, like, don't take the payday on the bed. The candy bar.

Right. That video we always watched. She were like, God damn, get a new video. It's so fucking old. You know? And so I'm watching that video and I'm thinking like, okay, I'm like, fuck that. Ain't anybody going to take my booty in here? Like, you know what I mean?

To make me do something. So I'm taking stuff from the black guys all day. You know what I mean? I first get there. Somebody had me a weed pin. So I'm like, oh, shit. I'm in jail. I'm smoking good.

Like, I'm getting high. You know, and the next thing you know, I get a phone. I'm like, Goddown. Like, this shit's crazy. Yeah, were you surprised how easy? Man, I couldn't believe how easy it was. Like, I literally got a phone in two days. I had a phone so much that I never went up to the computer to put in my numbers for my family.

So imagine that. I've never been to the computer lab. Or even on the wall phone. Never. Never. That's wild. Because when I got transferred, I was fucking going crazy. I was like, oh, shit, my family don't know where I met. I can't talk to them. I don't have no numbers on the computer, right? Everybody's like looking at their computer. I don't got no money on there. Well, I got money on there because I got to get commissary. But I don't, I didn't go on the telephone. I never, never knew. That's how you know you're a bad criminal because you've got to give them a little something You gotta pretend like you know

You're using the phone You're emailing That's a red flag Especially if you're a celebrity in there Yeah I never emailed Never did anything I had a cell phone I was text messages

On Twitter What kind of phone did you have I had an iPhone I had an iPhone And I had a A straight talk Two phones How much did you pay for those

How much is it to get an iPhone 1200 iPhone was 1200 at the camp and then like the you know that's the most I've ever paid for a phone but other phones are like 350 400 in the camp what was your first prison meal in there like was in the chow hall or was it a commissary meal it was Wednesday was that burger day burger day because that Friday that Thursday I remember it was fried chicken day the next day and I was like oh shit jelly that that bad. I was getting all type of food, what? And on the holidays, they give it as me. Oh, my God. On Juneteenth, it's really some racist-ass shit, but they

give you, like, watermelon, like, a lot of watermelon, fish, potato salad. Like, it's definitely a black day when it's June night. Yeah. Have you seen the posts about celebrities, including yourself, what they eat on certain days? Like, they'll be the one.

I've seen myself on there. Yep. Yep. Yeah. I think there was one about fried chicken or something. They had like a drumstick in your hand that TMZ was posting. Yeah, man. I ain't well in jail, man.

I don't look back. It was, you know, the only place that I suck was Oklahoma City, the transfer place. Terrible. Horrible. What about commissary? What did you like to eat? What did you make? Commissary.

I like nachos. A cold nacho or the warm one? The warm one. I like the warm nacho. I like, I like, um, burritos. Uh, what's that sandwich? What's the burrito? Oh, the mafunga?

The mafungo, but, um, when they stick everything in it, the burrito. Oh, I know what you're talking about. What's it called? a um I cannot believe I forgot this set up no a a uh some of the S yeah

oh my god I forgot what it's called they put everything in it it's called us oh my god I'm sitting here for getting this fucking oh my god

I can't think of it but it's when you put it in the ramen noodle pack right uh huh yeah you put it all in there yeah I have all types of stuff. They had crack bars.

What's that? It's like cream. It's like creamer with peanut butter and they pour like a Coca-Cola on it and then they put like cookies and and and and like Pop Tarts

and like anything sweet and they make it like little squares or they'll put like syrup on it like strawberry or chocolate spruts. Oh. they called crack bars. They were so fucking good. There were two macros for one.

Would you have guys just cook for you? Oh my God, yes. Would they do it for free or did you have to pay them? To mollies and like, yeah, I would have to pay them. But sometimes they'll cook for free. What do you think of the mackerel? It was currency. So I fucking love mackerel.

I sometimes have 400 macros in my closet. And I'll just have, how I, pay people. How much you want for the This is going to pay four macs

five macs all right cool and I used to work in the laundry so that's how I used to make money right you needed some socks

you need some drawers you need a shirt you need what you need five macs you got a hole in your pants

bring them to me flip them inside out uh... look at my glasses I'm sewing. They call me laundry man. I have a picture on the wall in the jail. They drew a laundry man.

It's at Yankton. And I signed it. They called me the Yankton Laundry Man. Now, how are you living in there? Do you have guys doing your laundry, guys, you know, cleaning your room, all of those things? Yeah. Well, in our room, we, we switched off. So, like, you're clean this week.

Somebody else's a clean next week. You know, we all switch. But my roommate was Steve McBee. Oh, really? Yeah. That is funny. So when he came to jail, he was my roommate. That was end of last year, right?

Yeah, McBee. He's getting out soon. I think September. I know because I did Todd Crisley's podcast. I love Todd Cliffley. I had him on the show. Can I meet him, please? We'll make it happen.

Please, bro. Like, I love Todd Chrisley, by the way. You got to do his show. Yeah, hell yeah. We'll go on Todd Crisley's show, man. We'll hit him up after this. That'll be dope. I love Todd, by the way.

He's the best. He's so fucking funny and so just original and unique and just doesn't fucking care. You know, I love Todd. But yeah, Steve McBee, shout out McBee. Getting out soon, man. That's crazy. Yeah.

So now tell us about the food that's not in commissary or from the kitchen. It was whatever we thought we wanted to make. You know what I mean? Like tamales, you know, it was just tacos. Like, you know, it was times when we ate real good. What about smuggled food? from the outside. Smuggle food?

Yeah. Now you got to get some good food. What? I mean, we were trying to smuggle shit all the time. What do you think was the best dish you guys got in? I would have to say like yard house or like some buffalo wild wings type stuff or like chick filet. That was that was the shit.

So now you went into prison thinking you were never going to have any of this. I thought I was going to be eating crazy bullshit. Like, oh, man, I ain't going to be able to eat good. Man, I'm just like outside. Just like outside. You want a steak? Somebody to bring a steak next week. That's how I was.

How did the case managers and counselors treat you? Horrible. Horrible. I had, you know, I could count probably like two people that I literally liked in jail as as for us on that side. but the case managers, right, they always talk about how busy they are. You know, they never really truly explain to you or, you know, let you at least have any questions, have any thoughts. You know what I mean?

When it's time for halfway house time, it just takes forever, right? You didn't put the paperwork in, and now they're taking their time over here to put the paperwork in. I just really think, you know, they don't really truly understand what we truly have to go to with reentry. You know what I mean? Like, sometime halfway house is good for people. You know what I mean? Let them get their barons before they go back into their own world and society to get better or just educational, right? Things that I was supposed to know at the halfway house that I didn't know, right?

I thought I was going to go straight home, right? I'm eligible for home confinement. Hey, let me go home. you're going to stay in this halfway house for as long as we think you should stay and then we're going to let you go. And then when we get the halfway house, we're going to treat you like you're in jail, right? Well, you've got to report every five seconds or whatever. You got to do something.

You can't do this. You can't do that. You got to do this, right? You know, I think the rehabilitation part is forgotten. It's worse in prison, the halfway houses. Yeah, it's worse. I think they forgot about it, right? what people really need.

So I'm thinking they need to really be hands-on and really meet these people where they are. You know, I used to, you know, self-ethicacy is forced knowing how to do something, right? A lot of these guys are coming from drug, you know, situations, selling drugs all their life. Now they don't know how to go do something else. You know what I mean? Like, and now that's a process. And now, right, recidivism is so high. Right? Because they don't know what else to do, right? They know the type of energy that, you know,

drug dealing gave them, but they don't know how to go take that same injury and go put it somewhere else because they're not confident enough. You know what I mean? So I just think that, you know, there should be a place for us to go as felons to use community, to use education, to use entertainment in a way. And I think we need to create it. I need a safe place for us to be able to get back into the world. You know what I mean? And not vert back to our old self because we know that's comfortable for us.

You know what I mean? And there's a lot of things out there, but I just think we need to kind of define those things and really see what these guys need help with. Right? Because some guys need help in other people, like in different situations. You know what I mean? So I think there needs to be something like that, you know? No, why do you get transferred out of Duluth?

Why got transferred out of Duluth? Yeah. Because I was having too much fun. I literally went to the whole... Well, first of all, I was supposed to be in Ardap, and they closed the Ardap program down. So I was suing them, first of all, 2241 or some shit like that.

So I was suing them trying to figure out, hey, what the fuck you guys are going to send me to? Where are y'all going to send me to? I'm supposed to be in an RDAB. I'm supposed to be getting right the fuck out. You're supposed to get my year. I went to Duluth because they had an RDAB program. And that didn't end up happening.

So I kind of went off rail, right? You know, I'm having fun. I'm smoking weed. You know, having a good time. I'm on my jack. You know, I got a dope hiding spots hidden from everybody. You know what I mean? like and I got the

USB plug in because I'm watching every TV show because power's about to come out and I'm about to be on it so I'm like I got to have my fucking USB to be able to plug the fucking TV. So you had already recorded the power scene

no it was already coming I had already reported. Yeah before prison yes before prison that is so ironic that you shoot a scene in power that you're in prison and then you end up in prison. It's so crazy And so while I'm in prison, everybody's watching it. Like, oh shit, King Keelow!

Oh, shit! Like, oh, man, every day in the damn room downstairs. Everyone in the feds loves power. Yeah, and they were watching it. And they were like, oh, shit, you got shot in the back. Oh, man, like the whole dorm. Like, I'm like, God, damn. I couldn't escape nothing there.

And I'm sure the prison knew that you guys were smuggling in stuff because you don't have stars on those TVs. Right. So you have to smuggle in the SD card to watch Power. We had one guy, man. He would always walk by and we would all just be sitting there like, look, fuck. He'd be looking. Like, what the fuck y'all watch?

And we would like just be quiet and just like leave it up there. Like it's a regular thing on the TV. But sometimes they'll go check it. But we were all, we were elusive. So do you get caught red-handed or do they just ship you for a suspicious? yeah well somebody told on me jealous jealous i was in the tv room one day we're watching um i think we were watching uh at the time uh the tuskin king Tulsa king Tulsa king yeah and so when they hit your room at two o'clock in the morning

come on man that's a tale like They don't hit your rooms Nighttime they can't hit my room Boom I think I had like a weed pen or something And I had put it in my head I had a book that had a hole in it So when you turn a page

You're like oh shit there's nothing there Then you turn it hit that one page You're like oh shit that's a whole fucking Like Three-inch hole in the fucking book So they told on me somebody's Search my books because I used to read and write scripts, you know what I mean, all the time. And so somebody's searched books because I didn't have a top bunk.

So all the books are on top of the top bunk and they found my pen. And I went to the hole. Wow. And I got tested. For weed. Yeah. Terminator came in and got me. I was one of the COs, Terminator, motherfucker.

Super cop. Super cop. Yeah, came in. Let me see what you're doing. Pass my room up first, right? Pass my room up. I'm like, okay, cool. We good.

And I have my homeboy who, you know, I work with now. We write scripts. He's sitting in my room, but he's not supposed to be in his dorm. So he's just sitting there. Like, hopefully he doesn't come in here. That motherfucker came right in my room. And then I had a jacket, but it was in a common area, right? And so he goes through the jacket.

What is this? Because I had a, you know, I had a hole in my jacket. And that's why I put like contraband. So he's like, oh shit, give me this jacket. I'm like, fuck. I'm like, where are you taking my jacket? I know something in there. You know what I mean?

And so I'm like, where are you taking my jacket? He's like, I'm taking it to the office and getting checked. I'm like, I don't trust you. You could be putting something in it. So I followed them there, and then they found, like, I had like a little wee vase little thing. It was empty, though. It was like an empty one.

But they had, like, a little bit in there. You know, you got contraband. They're going to be like, you know, and then they gave me a drug test and I felt it. What did you think of solitary, especially, you know, you're almost seven feet tall. Solitary is really small. I hate it, bro.

I hate it solitary because, right, you got to wear your cuffs in there. And it's just like, you want me to bend all the way down here backwards to give you my arms that's physically impossible so just let me have my cuffs on in front let me put my hands in like you know what I mean like why are we doing this this is the procedure turn around time to get in the shower right so you know We only get shower one hour a day. So. And, you know, you wearing that orange, ugly-ass fucking orange.

You know what I mean? And I was big draws. You know, it was crazy. It was crazy. I didn't have the right draws. It was always a 3x, 4x. Like, you know, I wear it with tight, you know. It's all like loose boxers.

They won't let you get your draws from where you, you know. And it was just, it was horrible. And you're on a restricted diet. You can't get commissary or anything. Can't get commissary. But if you're there for a long time, they'll start letting you get a little commissary, a couple little things here and there.

But they didn't let me do that. They let me go outside for like an hour. But it was like a box like this and just sky looking up every day. Like, what the fuck? Like, I used to draw on the walls. Did you have a lot of time to reflect? Hell yeah. I had nothing but time to reflect.

like like nothing but time every single day thinking about all the mistakes and everything that I've done and just ugh sometimes I want to pull my eyes out my head because of just like bro you're in jail people are sitting here idolizing you in jail like yo big baby oh my god yo yo yo Yo, big baby. Bro, bro. Bro. Loved you on the Celtics, bro.

You need anything, bro. You know, I got you. That was every day in jail. What did you think you reflected on the most when you were in solitary? What memory or thing came to mind? What memory? I think it would be, I would have to say what memory came up to the most was just my basketball career.

Because every day I hear somebody talking about basketball. ball. Every day I hear somebody talking about, like, what they see me do, what, you know. So, like, my career was always on my mind every time I was there. Every time what I've done, because literally people open arms because of what I've done. I thought that was cool. Now, you mentioned you went to Oklahoma. That's Conair. Yeah. How did you fit on Conair? Brough. Brough. First of all. When you first get there, right, transportation, right?

The COs on the bus, right? They didn't have no handcuffs to fit me. They had the legs, but the hands, I couldn't, you know. So they let me, like, be on their hands free. Like, you know, when I got on the bus first, right, to travel to Terre Hut. but I had to be I had to be the trash bag right and go get all like

you know the brown paper bag peanut butter bologna sandwich sweet oh my God I remember that like the fruit and the milk

oh my God not the juice it was the packet we had the packet oh with the little water yep I remember that the knock off packet to be like candy, like, pour it in your mouth.

So they let me have my hands free. But then when I got on Conair, right, we get to the spot where all these other prisons are coming and everybody's pulling up. I thought that was wild, by the way. When it was like five different prisons and did these fucking dudes on Connera come off with AK-47 standing around the plane,

like somebody's about to fucking come hijack the plane and kidnap somebody or something. Like, it was fucking. crazy. That was crazy to me. Yeah. Then like getting out the plane and seeing like, oh, that's your line over there. You got to go to this. That shit was crazy to me.

Seeing all the different people and everybody's like, Big Baby. Oh my God, Big Baby. What the fuck is Big Baby? And they have girls on the plane too. I know. But right? You can't turn around. I was sitting there like trying to turn around. I was talking to turn. I was talking. I was talking. Oh, shit. I hear a woman.

God damn. Turn around, Davis. I'm like, fuck. give you two seats? Yeah. They gave me two seats, but on Connera had to get my hands tied. That was crazy. Like, I had to, like. And there's, like, duct tape on the plane.

And I'm just like, fuck. This is crazy. It was wild. Bag lunches. I remember. Bag lunches. It's all back, back, back, back. Yeah, and everyone's probably asking you questions on the plane, too.

Oh, my God. I can be, baby. Yeah, man. Yeah. Yeah. I'm so fool, you good? Are you good? I'm like, no.

I'm not good. Now, where do they end up sending you? They end up sending me from Duluth to Yankton. And that's a low security? Well, first of all, we went to Tara Hut first. So basically, Yankton is six hours away from Duluth. I had to go all the way to Indiana. Go from Indiana.

Sit there for a week, two weeks. First of all, Tara Hut is fucking crazy. by the way, because you're in this big-ass jail, but you're like in this small section, and you can't leave. You can't go outside, so everybody's just looking at you. You go sit by the window.

Everybody's like, this fucking big baby. Oh, my fucking God. Like, it was crazy because Tara Hut yard is nothing but like, that Tara Hut yard is, what do they think they call yards where they kind of check out, check out yards? Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, so like all these people. Step down yards or something like. Yeah, or ex-gang members or, or, you know, trannies, gays, like, they're all like, I'm looking up thinking, this is a regular prison. Like, they're like, no, bro, this is not the prison that you need to be in. I'm like, well, get me out of here. And I'm, like, I'm sitting at the window.

I never forget this. And I'm just like, some dude was like, you need something? You need something? I'm like, hell yeah, could we eat like shit in here? Because this is really the transfer. Like, they're supposed to come pick us up. We were here for like five, six days, basically seven days a week. Next thing you know, I get a tray full of macros and cookies.

And I'm like, how the fuck did they get that shit in here? Well, somebody knows the person that made the tray, that know your tray, that basically put it in the tray, they got the orderly guy to pick it up and put it in the one that's yours. I'm like, God, damn, this jam shit is crazy. Like I literally told the guy I was in the window He was like I'm gonna send you something

And I'm like okay Man sent me He sent me macros with honey With the fucking sauce Goya I'm like god damn My roommate was like man Give me some of that

I'm like hell no fool Like You know It was cool And so I go to Tara Hut And I experience that So, like, Tara Hut, you got to stay your ass in the jail cell. Like, if it's campers and high-level guys in there, they won't mix them.

So some days we'll just get out early in the morning and then we'll be in the whole day. So I was watching TV from the little small window thing just like, damn. Because, you know, the TV's in Terahut, like right in front of the, I'm just sitting there, like, put it on HBO. I used to hate that. or get the orderlies and put, like, just sitting there watching TV. That was horrible. And, like, they make you stay in, right, a whole day. We'll go in the morning time.

Then they let you stay in. And then the next day, you get to go out two times, right? They switch us off. So I was so happy to leave there. But then I went to the real hellhole in fucking Oklahoma City where doing K2 was like, like, that was the thing to do. Like, I couldn't believe it. I'm like, man, these motherfucking people are just sitting there like...

Tripping out. Dead, bro. Like, I'm talking about... There's zombies. Like, there's laying there. I'm just like, what the hell did you just smoke to make you feel like that? And they're like, yeah, it's roach spray and all this other type of shit. What the fuck?

That's why they're looking like that. They over there smoking roach spray. I just couldn't believe it, man. Did you try it or no? Hell no. You, what? Man, that shit was making motherfuckers go crazy. I was what?

I used to look at motherfuckers think they are. Something's wrong. Man, and then Oklahoma City, it's okay for them. Like, for some reason, as long as you didn't use it in your room, you're okay. I'm like, what the fuck? Like, in Oklahoma City, like, the walk around, right? There's this big wall.

This is if you walk around. this square 55 times you walk a mile and you go out there as this looks like like zombies like walking dead out there people were getting so high at oklahoma city off fucking k2 i was like how the fuck y'all get it y'all sticking this shit in your ass and coming here and they're like yeah that's how we got it here i'm like you put suboxin in your ass what what are you You put K2 pieces of paper, put in this little thing, and stick it in your ass and get it in here and make $20,000? Like, what the hell? What do you think of all, like, the Mexican mafia guys and stuff at Oklahoma?

Oh, that's, that's wild. One guy, I'm sitting in breakfast, right? And he's like, yeah, fool. They say, yeah, you know, no way. You know, they always say way. You know what I'm saying way? Like, you know, it's like, fool, yeah, fool. I had to check out.

I had to check out the line, fool, because they wanted me to kill somebody. I just got here, fool. I'm like, what? I'm like, yeah, fool, they wanted me to stab somebody, fool. So I checked out, fool. I told him switch me and told him I don't want to do this thing anymore. Like, I'm like, what the fuck? They just, like, you say, hey man, I don't want to kill nobody.

Like, I got to check out. I got to go. check myself in because now I don't want to kill this guy. Like, oh man, I'm glad I didn't have to deal with that shit. Like, I remember one time, another time at breakfast, it's this guy, I don't hear his voice. But then I was like, yeah, I got 35 of life for burning up my, you know, boyfriend's house.

I'm like, boyfriend. I look, got long hair. It was like a tranny girl. And she was a real, life murderer. I was just like, am I, I'm in transit with murderers. And like,

I couldn't believe it. I was just like, what the fuck? I just grabbed my bran flakes. It's just, you know, bran flakes and cake is like gold. I took my cake broken. I was like, man, this shit is crazy. Motherfuck just said she burnt and killed somebody

in the house doing life. I'm like, why am I in here with you guys? Did that feel like actual prison at point what they talked about. That's when it felt like prison. Like I was like, this is fucking crazy. Like, this is wild. Especially when it was doing the K2 and then like they couldn't find lighter. So they would use the computer, right?

The outlet for the computer to make a wick. But blow the fucking whole computer up. I'm like, what the fuck? And then I just started to learn, right? Because at Oklahoma City, that was my first time ever using the computer. So I had to put my family's numbers and everything, you know, find my PAC number, all that shit. I had to refine all that to start. But the computer's blow down because everybody wanted to smoke deuce.

It's fucking crazy. And you have to go through the whole transit of stripping out. It's like six times, seven times stripping out, squat and cough, this, that. Oh, my God. You've got a what? You got a cough, cough, cough. You got to cough a lot. Right?

You got to jump, even jump in the machine. I had to jump in the machine, butt-ass naked. Right? And I'm just like, what the hell is going on? Lime of everybody. Forget about restitution. That's the punishment right there. For real.

You got a bent over in front of this guy from Oklahoma. You got a goddamn. So how long does it take in total to get from Duluth to Yankton? Like a month? It took a month. It's great. Six hours away. They put you through diesel therapy.

Couldn't believe it. Couldn't believe it, bro. I'm like, just give me, what do they call it? A free, uh, uh, uh, uh, a, uh, when you can leave. A furlough. A furlough. Just give me a fucking furlough. Because you're in trouble.

That's it. Yeah, just give me a furlough and let me just go six hours this way. They'll save money. It probably called. Oh my God. Save so much money. But you're going to send me to Tara Hut. Send me to Oklahoma City.

And the next you know, I got to go all the way back up to the, six hours. How was your experience at Yankton? Because that's a low. It's a lot different than a camp. It's a... No, Yankton was a camp. Oh, Yankton was a camp too?

Yeah. Oh, so they let you go back to another camp. Yeah, they let me go back to camp, but it's ran like a low. Okay. Like, they had like movements. Ten minute moves. Yeah, it's just like, God damn, movements and shit like that. And, right, you get written up if you don't got your tuck.

You're not tucked. There's sex offenders there or no? Are there sex offenders? No. Okay. I didn't see him, at least. But nobody told me. I didn't find sex offenders until I got to the halfway house.

You know what I mean? But, yeah, Dulph was strict as fuck. You mean, Yankton. Yankton was strict. strict as fuck. It was like in the middle of this neighborhood, this old college in South Dakota. So some nights, it's like junior college

and there's a high school. So some nights we'll hear a whole football game, you know, and we can't go over there. You know, but we probably, in one dorm, they could see the whole football game from their, you know, their window. But it was like we were living in the neighborhood. So imagine walking a child

and somebody's like, you got to wait to somebody's cross because somebody's walking their dog or, he's just like, what the fuck? Did you play sports in there at all? Yeah, I played softball. And what else did I play? I played pickleball. They had pickleball.

They had a pickleball court. We had a really nice gym. Nice weight room, like, nice library, nice softball field. No basketball. There was basketball, nice basketball court. But did you play? I played a couple games, but I didn't play play, play. Because they suck.

Like, suck. Imagine being able to say you played basketball with Big Baby in prison. That's crazy. But there was two people that I really like to play with, Tallby and Cap, in those guys, because they really knew how to play, right? And so everybody else just played just to, Waste time.

What position were you in softball? I was first base. Knocked out a couple home runs. Yeah, you'd probably always knock it out of the park. I was cracking shit. I was cracking shit. Lifting shit off. They knew what time it was when I was up there bed.

Because I played baseball in high school, so. Would you gamble in prison, like sports bat and... Hell yeah. I would gamble and all the type of shit. I was gambling like a motherfucker. We were playing, uh, poker. What was your biggest bet?

Like, how much would you play at the time? I think I lost, though. It was a five-macral entry, but it was a poker tournament, and I had a chance to win, like, 400 macros. And, you know, one-on-one poker is really tough. Like, you can just start, you know what I mean? You get on a run with, you know what I mean? You can start, you don't get no cards one-on-one.

it's like tough you call anything they're going to call it you know what I mean but um I lost that big tournament did you learn how to play spades oh I always played spades before I was in jail oh really yeah but you play spades but I like to play poker we had a lot of casino nights we did blackjack too a lot blackjack too blackjack was crazy I just gotta send them cash apps Yeah, cash app is so popular in a prison. Cash app need to thank the prisons because you've got to have a cash app in prison. You got to.

I don't care what you say. You got to have a cash app in prison. If you want to survive, you better have a cash app because it's tough sending that money without those cash apps. It's tough, man. How did the inmates treat you there versus the other prison that you were first at Duluth?

How did they treat you at Yankton? Same way. Everybody asks basketball questions, and I'm not a stuck-up guy, you know what I mean? So I would talk to people? They treated me with love.

Now, would people take pictures with you? Because there was a couple ones that leaked of you in prison. Yeah. You sitting at a table. Yeah, I took a lot of pictures. Would people just come up with cell phones in prison and say, let me get a flick?

They thought I was a gang leader one time. I took one of them pictures. I'm like, I'm not a gang leader. I'm just taking a picture. Like, I don't, I'm not the leader. Who reached out to you that was maybe a celebrity

when you were locked up that took care of you? Was there anyone that held you down? No, not really. You know, I had one person like Kendrick Perkins. Other than that, it was just my regular friend. No celebrity person was like, hey, I got you.

Other than like Kendri Perkins. And Chris stay in touch with you throughout prison? Chris Lofton? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like Chris Lofton, yeah. How was the rest of the power cast towards you when you went to prison?

They were cool. You know, Lionsgate, I got, you know, convicted, you know, in Liongate, you know, they still let me, you know, finish my part. They didn't, you know. Kill you off, theater. They did kill me off, but they let me finish, you know, what they could. Would you not have been killed off if you? I don't think I would have been killed off. They would have kept you alive?

It kept me alive. I think that's one of the reasons. Was that prison scene that you filmed like actual prison at all for you? Kind of sort of. When you were in like Oklahoma with the table and stuff in the visiting room. Kind of sort of. It was kind of real realistic. Like for real. How much time do you end up doing in total? 18 months. Is that normal for a four-year sentence?

No. Well, you know, we had to do 85% of the time. it would have been, you know, out of them more. But because of R-DAP and that first and second stuff that they got this new shit, they got first step and shit like that. Yeah, the FSA credits. FSA credits I got out a little earlier. When did you get out? It was this year, 2026?

Yeah. In March? I got out March, but didn't get off a halfway house. Didn't get off a home confinement until July. What was that like getting out of prison? Where'd you go that day? Shit, I went to the halfway house. On the way, though.

You didn't stop anywhere? Hell no. You got to go. As soon as you get out, you don't want no problems. I'm like, man, take me to the halfway out. No girl, nothing. I tried to get some head. I tried to get some head, but it didn't work out.

So I had to wait three more months. It's like, fuck. Do they ever let you on home? I know you said you had troubles at the halfway house, but or did they let me, they let me in home confinement. And that was on a bracelet or how does that work? A bracelet. With the phone, right?

An ankle monitor. Yeah. Did you feel free being, you know, on home confinement at all or? Yeah, hell no, you ain't free. They, they even worse. Like, you know, like, home confinement is even like worse because now they're on you. Like, you better come here now. you better come here now where are you at now like come here now you got to come in today right now

you just came in yesterday but you got to come in today even though i had to go to the hospital one time and i stayed a couple nights in the hospital they were like where are you at where i'm like i'm sick in the hospital right they sit the probation officer up to the hospital like sneaking in like hi mr davis i'm like damn they didn't play that halfway house and Garden Grove is horrible. Do you think they were extra strict on you because of who you are? No, they extra strict anybody.

You better not have a text message in your phone. You may not have nothing. You can't speak to the people around you. Like, you can't hang out with none of them. You better have you a job. You can't even go outside if you don't have a job. Where did you work for your job? Hidden Empire Films.

What is that? that it's a production company and uh i've run the sports department over there um and so we just work on like sports content and educating you know athletes about production getting them in production or figuring out anyway or what part of production or you know distribution you want to be in so that helped you get out of that helped me get out and start to get it like you know what i mean like I can get time off on the weekend being able to get a pass and stuff like that you in that half a house you couldn't go nowhere unless you had a job did a lot of people reach out once all the news broke that you got released because there was a ton of press that's how I came

across your story um no not really they you know they started hey what's up you know but I ain't really paying attention somebody hacked my IG so I I don't, I really couldn't, you know. So if I seen you and gave you my phone number, then, you know, but I still haven't got to my IG yet. Oh, that one's still hacked? Wow. Yeah, I need some help. If you can help me get to mail it, that would be great.

But no one's posted on it. I know. I think they're just using it for something. Like messaging or something? Something like that. Yeah, because there's no post since before prison. No post at all. So I feel like it's somebody that I fucking know, you know?

Yeah. Like, you don't have nothing to post. so you not even took the followers and started using it for yourself? Yeah. Do you have a Facebook? No. Okay. I'll show you how you could get back in your Instagram through Facebook.

Hopefully. I got you. No, it's easy. Hopefully. I don't need it really bad. So where are you at today? How are you doing, you know, mentally? What's your plan?

Mentally, I'm at peace. You know what I mean? You know, being able to take full responsibility for, you know, know what I've done to put myself in this situation of I've accepted that you know I'm content in ways is you know excited eager for my new career what I'm doing looking forward to that and just really being a testimony for a lot of athletes right I got my NIL certification so being able to deal with athletes in a way to be able to help them at an early stage, understand what's in front of them, and give them help to be able to achieve

those obstacles, you know, that are going to be in front of them, you know? I think that's now my calling. And I'm super excited for it. You know what I mean? Like, I literally, I've really lived a crazy life, you know, but I want to be able to help others, help younger athletes. understand the process of just being able to, you know, control what you can control. What happened to your restitution? Still paying. You still owe money? Yeah, I never, I was like, fuck it.

I'm all I'm just like, you know, I'll just pay a little bit of time. Yeah, like the minimum payment. It's not that much. So it's like. Also, who does it get paid to? Wasn't it your money that you put into the fund? Yeah, it's my money. Yeah, I don't get that.

It's my money. And I got to pay restitution. who did you hurt? Remember, I was like, oh, you know, when they asked you like, your crimes,

you know, how did it affect? I'm like, I didn't hurt nobody yet. Do you still have access to that fund now? Yes, I still use that money for my health insurance.

It's crazy. I can go and use that same money that they said that I stole from and still use it. It's crazy. It doesn't make sense. Are you on probation now? Yeah.

How's that? It's cool. You know, as long as I report and, you know, I see my guy like, you know, every, whenever he calls me, you know what I mean? So it's not like he wants to see me every day or, you know, he just wants to check in, make sure I'm paying my restitution and doing my little treatment, you know, a little classes, You know, the judge make you do a couple classes here and there.

How's the public been trading you? You know, people see you out in a bath. Really well, though. Really well. I don't think people really truly care. I don't think so either. No, it's like, how much money? 40?

Oh, my God. Yeah, we don't care. I mean, look at the housewife people that, you know, get involved in stuff and they go right back on TV. They go right back. The crowd loves them. They don't care. They don't care. If anything, it gives them more celebrity status.

That's what it's done. It's giving me more of a platform now. Another audience of people. The federal inmate world. Yeah, my world. Right? The federal inmate world is now like he's one of us. So, you know, so many different fans now and people that,

Hey man, I love you, bro. I love your energy, bro. I love how you are, bro. You know, I was on Twitter the other day and I posted a video. that I'm almost did a million views in like three days. I'm just like, why? But it's that new where all my scamming at. So I'm in there dancing, not realizing that the song is like talking about scamming.

I'm like, oh, yeah, that's me. Everybody's like, oh, you did a million views on TikTok. I'm like, I had probably, I had to get a whole new, you know, TikTok and stuff. and I had like 300 followers. After I posted that, I had 10,000 people following me after that. It was crazy. What do you know now that you wish you knew when you were a kid or even coming out of the league? Don't let my younger self make decisions from my older self.

I think that was some of the best thought process as far as the things that I can think about that I really about a know, then. You know what I mean? Just be, you know, emotional, like together, right?

Emotional intelligence as far as having that awareness, I think, at a younger age. Because, you know, when you're young, emotional, you make decisions,

and sometimes those decisions are bad, you know, when you're so emotional. Well, Big Baby, I really appreciate you giving me the opportunity.

here today. This is awesome. Your first ever interview out of prison. I know. So cool. I feel honored. It's great. No, thanks for having me. Yeah, you're a whole vibe, man. Even just hanging out with you the other night and, you know, spend time with you today. This was really good. Yeah, I'm going to have to come visit you up in Connecticut. Yeah, Waterbury or Waterbury.

Meet me a Waterbury. We'll go visit my old Halfway House. Yeah. And you know what? I like what you do with that speaking, going to prisons and stuff like that. Do you need somebody to ever tag along with you? I would love to, you know, just talk about, you know, opportunity, you know, preparation when it meets opportunity type of thing. No, I'm going to connect you to a lot of people, first being Todd Crisley. Asap. Yeah, right after this. I love Todd, bro. He's the best. I love Todd, bro. He has no idea. Awesome. Well, thank you, then I hook you up with Steve McBee when he gets out.

That's my boy. That's great. I'm going to send him your way because, you know, his reality show goes hard.