Locked In with Ian Bick - How I Stole Thousands from Walmart to Feed My Addiction | Rod Hunt

Episode Date: October 22, 2024

Rod Hunt shares his personal story about how his addiction led him to steal thousands from Walmart. In this candid interview, Rod explains how he found himself caught in a cycle of theft to support his addiction and what it took to finally break free. His journey offers a real look at the struggles of addiction and the consequences of his actions. #AddictionStory #WalmartTheft #TrueCrime #RecoveryJourney #LifeLessons #AddictionRecovery #MyStory #CrimeConfession Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Connect with Rod Hunt: https://www.facebook.com/rod.hunt.12?mibextid=LQQJ4d Presented by Tyson 2.0 & Wooooo Energy: https://tyson20.com/ https://woooooenergy.com/ Buy Merch: https://lockedinbrand.com Use code lockedin at checkout to get 20% off your order Timestamps: 00:00:00 Growing Up in Cecil County, Maryland 00:04:59 Influence of Childhood and Parental Impact 00:09:18 Impact of Parental Influence on Education 00:13:57 Overcoming Fears After Car Accident 00:18:32 Early Signs 00:23:19 Becoming a Young Parent 00:27:41 First Criminal Charge: Stealing Christmas Presents 00:32:18 Unplanned Parenthood and Surprises 00:36:45 Life of Crime and Consequences 00:41:18 Caught by Facial Recognition at Walmart 00:49:00 Escaping Arrest: A Tale of Evasion 00:50:55 The Turning Point: Choosing a Better Life 00:54:46 The Pain of Loss 01:01:03 Overcoming 01:04:45 Family Struggles and Ronnie's Prison Story 01:11:00 Facing Betrayal: A Son's Story of Survival Powered by: Just Media House : https://www.justmediahouse.com/ Creative direction, design, assets, support by FWRD: https://www.fwrd.co Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rod, welcome to Lockton, man. Pleasure having you. Thanks, man. I appreciate it. You drove here from Maryland. Yep. Did you grow up in Maryland? Yes, sir.

Born and raised. Whereabouts in Maryland? Seas County, Oakton, Maryland. Is that like small country town vibes? It's like a melting pot, bro. Really? It's you have, you know, country people. You have hood people.

And they're all mixed together. It's just crazy, you know, in certain places you don't, people don't go to when certain places are nice. Is it like a wealthy, middle class, lower class? It's middle, middle and lower, I would say. Not too much wealth in there, not too much to do. You know, they, drugs are really bad in that area. I think we're like second in the second county in the state behind Baltimore, I believe, for drugs, if I'm not mistaken. Don't quote me on that.

And what about you guys? How did you grow up? Did you have big family, siblings, mom and dad? Yeah. I had, my dad had six sons and one daughter. Six? Wow. Yes.

And then my mom had two daughters and one son. So, yeah, we got a couple of us. So you have a bunch of stepbrothers? Half. Half brothers. Oh, yes. Half brothers and a half sister? or was she?

I got one half and one hole. Wow. Yeah. Were you guys all close growing up? Did you know each other? No. It was like broke into families because my dad hopped around from house to house, whoever, whatever woman would take him in at the time, you know, and was dumb enough to do it.

So, yeah, he would hop around. I think he has seven, six or seven kids' moms out of eight. Wow. What did they do for work your mom and dad? My mom, she was a cake decorator. She worked at Acme and then for Food Line for a long time. And, yeah, she did that for, say, one, to 20 some years. And then she went and now she's like HR at Roll Farms.

It's a gas station down in Maryland. And your dad, what do you do for work? I mean, nothing. Just kind of like a deadbeat type dad. I think he worked three days when I was like four at selling cars. Not even lying, but that's it, I think. Were you closer to your mom than your dad? Definitely.

100%. When did you realize your dad was not really a father figure? How old were you? Oh, almost immediately. You know, like I realized mom was the one to go to, you know what I mean? Both for, you know, issues you would ask your mom about and then you would ask your dad about. I would go to her with both. You know, she was mom and dad to me.

You know, she was, you know, whooping my ass and taking me to football practice and at the same time, you know, making sure I'm getting washed up a night and had something in my eat to go to bed and made sure I was getting on the bus in the morning. She kept the family kind of stable or as stables it could be. Yeah, yeah.

For the first couple years, she tried. I mean, she's always done it since day one, but, you know, it was very hard. She didn't really have a stable home. None of us did, you know, because of my father. You know, he was very abusive mentally, physically, emotionally. He was, you know, just a mean person to be around. You know, no one enjoyed being around him.

So every time he came around, I knew something was going to pop off. You know that feeling you get when you're about to get in your first ever fight. You remember that feeling when your kid? It's like I feeling. But every time I see my dad, I get that feeling instead of excitement. That's what I get. Did you have any friends that you could relate to during that time period that understood what you were going through? Or did you feel kind of like alone that you were the only one with these types of parental issues?

I had one friend that had the same type of issues. He came from like a split household to, he was like my best friend growing up. his mom was like into drugs and stuff and wasn't there at all. So he was raised by like his stepmom and his dad. So, you know, me and him were pretty tight. I think we bonded on that. He played on my football team as kids and that's where we met. And his name is Mike.

But yeah, he, I could relate to him. But other than that, no, not really. Other people were, seemed just fine. You know, it seemed like it was just only happening to me. So why talk about it? Nobody's going to understand it anyway. When you reflect back on your childhood now, how much of a role do you feel like your childhood

and specifically your dad played on, you know, your troubles with the law and in and out of jail and whatever, you know, path you would end up deciding? I think it played a big part. I think part of me wanted to be like him. You know, because when he did come around, he would come around and in nice cars, you know, had dressed in nice clothes at the time when I was a kid, you know, this is that during that time. He would come around, you know, he was selling at the time, you know, stuff.

And, but he never invested it or brought it back to share with the family, though, you know. Like, he kept it all for himself. He never paid bills or nothing like that. So, I mean, I saw him, you know, I knew kind of that. I knew what he was doing wasn't, like, illegal, I should say. Like, I knew that he was doing stuff that was bad. That's all I knew. And part of me was like, oh, that's so bad.

That's cool, you know what I mean? But, you know, the other part of me was like, why can't I just have a dad that goes and, you know, does his 9 to 5 comes home? And, you know, throws the ball around, comes the games, you know. Just regular stuff. Was there a part of you that wanted to become like your dad? or were you so anti that? Yeah, out of all my brothers, I think I was the last one to like cut ties with him

because, dude, I just wanted to fuck. I wanted to have a dad, man. I wanted to have a dad, but I just couldn't, I couldn't just let myself keep getting abused and mistreat it like that, you know what I mean? And you can't only let people spit in your face and all that stuff with, and I'd do nothing for so long. I can't take it. So I just had to cut him off.

But I loved him. Let me get that clear. I loved him, you know. But even though I knew when he was beating on mom or he was putting hands on me, I thought that part of me thought that, like, he would still be there if I needed him, really. I really needed him. and maybe, you know, and like he would blame his girlfriend, like, oh, you know, I'm just mad all the time about my girlfriend or whoever he was with that time, so-and-so, and he'd just go on and

around about himself. Not asking how I feel or how's your day. I mean, he was totally disconnected from us, but I wanted to, I wanted his love and attention at the end of the day. And I put up with a lot of shit just to try to get it with. never happened. No, you were mentioning to me when we were talking earlier that you have kids now, is the way that your dad treated you as kids, does that help affect the way you parent your

kids now? Oh, 100%. 100%. I tell people, you know, I tell my friends and stuff that ask about it. I tell them I learn only one thing from my father this whole time, and that's exactly everything not to do. So when I have a problem or I don't know what to do with my kids in a situation, I think about what my dad did to me in that situation or what he would have done and usually go the opposite. It's always on the money.

Now, how was high school for you? What kind of kid were you in high school? If someone would like say a teacher was here to describe you, what would they say about you? I mixed between a class clown and troublemaker, I would say. Not really interested in school and paying attention. I was more interested in running around with my friends and, you know, getting into shit and girls and worrying about all that stuff, you know, football, all that. I wasn't worried about academics.

So it was, I wish, you know, and I wish looking back now I would have put, you know, put more effort into it and applied myself more. But it's what it is now. live and learn. Why do you think that was? Do you think it was because no one was pushing you or just you weren't that type of person? My mom was pushing me. She's always been behind me and pushing me. But, you know, she, since my dad was never working and, you know, he was out doing whatever with whoever, he was rarely ever home.

Like when I say I see my dad, you know, probably once a week back then, that's about it. And he'd come to kick our ass and leave, you know, punch all in the long dip. So, but I'm sorry, I went on tangent. What did you just ask those last question about high school? No, just what, why do you think you were that type of student that you were? Oh, yes, I think just because, you know, I was using, I was using on and off middle school on, obiates and like Perkissette, Oskine, stuff like that. And why were you using?

what came to be that started, it kind of was the trigger to get you to start using? It was an injury I had. I broke my leg when I was 13 during the summer. Random pickup game was so random and weird. And this is how life is. You know, you think life's going one way and I don't know where it can completely turn into a different direction, as you know. But I was just a regular pickup game with me and my call. one-on-one. Nobody around in the backyard of my grandfather's house on this little concrete

court that he put in. He was a concrete, you know, so he did that for us or for my uncle. And we were playing on it and went up to do a layup and I came down at an angle. My leg went and bent and this tendon or muscle, I forget, whatever, snapped or ripped. And it twisted sideways. Twisted sideways. And yeah, my leg snapped and I broke a piece of bone all. in the side of the joint. So it was like a very hard and difficult surgery, and I needed multiple to fix it. So it ended up being three surgeries and two years without walking. Now, could you have recovered from that without opioids, or was that the only medicine that could help you?

I think I'm not against opioids. I'm not when it's done right. And I think that they were over-medicating and have. add me on way longer than I should. In a hospital for sure, yes, until I leave there. It may be like the first week out, maybe give a week's worth or two. But the only problem is that your body's got so much healing to do. And in this area right here, this is where they cut.

So when you bend it, it's an area that you move a lot. So it stretches. So if you could tear it, if you're not careful, if you try to walk on it on the stitches, They could tear right open and rip the skin open again. So, yeah, I couldn't walk on it at all. And plus, they had to fix the joint. The first surgery I went into, they went and took it out and said it was all good. And then came back and said, I guess, another piece chipped off or something in that it failed because I was walking on it.

So they went back in the second time and broke my leg and reallined it with a place. with a plate in like 13 screws to put the pressure off of when I walk. It doesn't put pressure on that area that the chip of bone went off. Because if it does, it's just going to grind away until it's nothing. So they did that. And then I had to wait to let that heal. As soon as it's done healing, I had to go get bust right back in the surgery. So that was the third one.

And each time I got, I think it was like 120 percettes a time, 13 years old. And could you have gotten even more based on those injuries if you asked for it? Like was it so accessible that you were going to, you know, no matter what get hooked to them? I don't think no matter what get hooked to them, but I think they prescribed way too many for way too long. And also, you know, to answer your question, yes, I think by the third one I was so hooked that I told him I was still hurting. And I think he gave, he brought me like an extra 30 and I got 30 more. Do you have any fears now of being injured again for anything? Like just in life as to, you know, as someone that's in recovery and preventing or

and forcing you to get back into drugs? Yes, 100%. Yeah. Very scared of it. You know, I got into a car accident and I was worried so much about that. When I hurt my arm and my shoulder, I was thinking, God, I hope it's just all right. And, you know, it's just, I tweaked it the wrong way or something because I can't, I didn't want to, and I was freshly, you know, newly sober and in recovery at the time.

So I was like, man, this is going to be terrible. But luckily, nothing was needing surgery on. So, but yeah, I think about it sometimes. What I really fear is passing it to my kids. That's my ultimate fear. Now, do you feel like your dad passed it on to you at all or no? I mean, I can't put it all on them, you know, as much as I'd like to. But I think it's part genetics.

I think part of it is your genetics. I think you are more susceptible. Some people are if they have like history of it in their, because, you know, some stuff changes your DNA and rewires your whole body and brain function and all that stuff. So, I mean, I think that I did get it from him because both of my mom and my dad's sides of the family have substance abuse, you know, problems in the history spread out. It's not all of them, of course. but spread out. So I knew, and my mom knew it too.

And I didn't know at the time why, but she was always asking me, Rod, are you sure? Why don't you wait before you press that button again? Because I was in the hospital press, and as soon as it turned green, she said you can press the button every five minutes or 10 minutes when you need more morphine. Morphine drip, 13. I was hitting it. Every time it turned green, it turned right back off.

Went back sleep. My mom was like, are you sure? Why don't you wait? Wait till you can't stand. it almost can't stand it then do it and i was like okay mom whatever you know just being i thought she was just getting on me and you know being paranoid but yeah she she knew she knew and she says it to this day i told you i told you so but that's yeah that's my biggest fear and i know that they are susceptible and odds are one of them might have the genetics for it doesn't mean either of them

are going to be addicts you know but you know it's true it's the odds are you know, one of them could be, if put in that situation like I was, fall into the same, you know, evil things like I did fall into the same stuff. So, yeah, I worry about it. Why do you think that your mom ended up with your dad if she was so kind of anti that? Yamava Resort and Casino at San Manuel is California's number one entertainment destination for the biggest shows this summer. Catch vocal powerhouse Christina Aguilera July 21st.

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She's a strong woman, and she's a saint, hard work and never missed a day, you know, kept the same job. you know, kept the same house, kept us always afloat, never got evicted, never, you know, always had food, you know, always had, you know, the basics of what I needed, you know, and Christmas every year, even though she didn't have it, she made it happen. We had a decent Christmas, sometimes even a really good Christmas, like one or two years, you know, when it was really good, but somehow, some way, she made it happen. She got a second job, and that's what I was going to tell you is that I think that I got in trouble and fell off track because my mom was never home, like really, because she couldn't be. She was trying to work both jobs. She worked at Food Line for eight hours

and then would come home, give me and my sister and my older brother, you know, a hug, and then say bye and walk right out door and drive to the gas station, rural farms, and work her shit there till the night time. And then we had to go to sleep before she got home. So, and, uh, and she was still awake. You know, she would wake up when, uh, we got up for school and more and just see us and stuff. So made sure we're up. So she is a saint, but she was never there. So. So do you think if you had a two, uh, a stable two parent household, you wouldn't have ended up where you had ended up? Yeah, I don't think I would have been anywhere near where, you know, I am today because of that. I think if I had a father, you know, that was there, you know, and a mom that was able to be there for me more because the father was, you know, doing his role like you should be, then, yes, I think it would have benefited me and my sister greatly.

I'm all with a brother, you know. So now you're in high school. You're on drugs. You're hooked on drugs. How does your life start to unravel or using? It's on and off. Like, I'm not hooked yet. It's like nobody knows, you know, like that.

I don't tell anybody really And it's like here and there Like double-double like weekend thing I would go and buy a couple for the weekend And then I would know that I'm about to start getting I can feel myself when I don't have them I'm starting to get a little sick

So I stop myself And I would like stop myself Just because I was As a kid I was so scared of Feeling it because the first time I felt withdrawal With laying in bed During the third surgery It was like two weeks after I had surgery

And all the first time the percissettes were gone at that point. Only two weeks, and I had them all gone. And, uh, and, uh, yeah, so I called my sister up because she, my older sister, because she has, she had substance abuse problems in the past. And I asked her, I was like, sis, what's wrong with me? Told her the symptoms. She said, uh, it's not the flu season. So are you out of your medication? And I said, yeah, how did you know? She said, uh, you're withdrawing. So. That was the first time I realized what it was, and it scared me, and it sucked. So I was like, I don't want to go through that again.

So I try to, you know, you rationalize it to yourself, oh, I can, I can, you know, control it this time. As long as I do it, you know, not every day. I do it only on the weekends or whatever, but it never works out that way. Why do you think you didn't, because you were able to realize that there was an issue at hand, why do you think you didn't go and ask for help or maybe go to a rehab or anything like that? And why did you resort to just using more drugs on the weekend or whatever you came up with in your mind? I think I didn't ask, well, the first one, I didn't ask for help because I didn't want no one to know. To be honest with you, I didn't want my mom to know.

You know, I was terrified of her finding out. You know, she would, she would beat my ass all over that fucking house if she would have found out. And you know what's even nuts is the boyfriend at the time, you know, she was seeing a guy for a couple years. And he was the best guy out of all of them that, you know, was there during my childhood. But he was on the porch out one night smoking. And I had my light on in my room. And I was, like, already high. And it was during the, after third surgery, it was during one of the first two weeks I was talking about.

And I learned to crush them and snort them to get, you know, make him last longer, right? But, so he sees me do it. He sees me do a whole line of Percocet through the window. And I just hear, motherfucker, and he threw his sandal at my window, and I just hear a bang on the window. And I look out, and I look down, I see a flip-flop. And then I see him on the porch, and I just see him slam the door. I sit on my bed.

I think the world's over, right? He comes in storming in What the fuck are you doing? Are you crazy? I was like, please, please, please, please. I'm sorry. Yes, I did do it. But don't come on.

Whatever you do, please don't. Like keep it between us. And I kind of like Kind of made him feel bad with the stepdad thing. Like, come on, man. I was like, you know, you're still new year. You're trying to get on my good side too. Come on, let's work out of the deal here.

He's like, all right, fine. but you're doing whatever chores and you're not leaving out saying you better not be fucking doing give me your medicine I'm going to give it to you from now on and he didn't tell her and I told her about it years later I think like two years ago and she was fucking pissed she was like oh my god if I see him right now I would have smacked him in his mouth and he'd ever told me that my son snort and perkinset in his room at 13 did you still stick with sports through high school too or did you start to move away from that? No, I played sports all through elementary and middle,

and then it was what, like, I didn't play in high school at all now. Do you wish you did, looking back on it? Yeah, 100%. Yeah, but the girls I was seeing at the time, I was worried about them, man. And, yeah, and I was going to do it. I was like, I think it was junior year, and I told her I went to play. and she was like, no, you got me pregnant, you're not playing football, you can get hurt.

And that was the end of that. So I didn't play. But yeah, I wish I did, looking back. So do you end up finishing high school? Yeah, graduated. Graduated. Class 2015, baby. Oh, 2015, okay.

And you had, I think that's my brother's class. Really? You had a kid before graduating. Yeah, yeah. Wow. Yeah. I had a, my senior first, actually I have my daughter in it.

I'm holding my baby in the senior photos when we went back during the summer in between junior and senior year. We went in for senior photos and I took her in there and have them. But yeah, it was hard. It was hard, but I am so thankful for it because that was like the longest stretch and like what cut me off for a while with the opiates and everything. I didn't like do really anything. I drank here and there. Never really like drinking.

but I drank here and there and, you know, when she came, I was worried about her. You know, I was worried about making sure my daughter was all right. So I wasn't, you know, doing all the BS at that time now. How normal was it for people in your town have a kid at that age? It wasn't normal, but it's normal to be, you know, kids messing around at young ages. That's normal. You know, older guys, low kids. messing around underage girls is a problem down there.

That happens too. You know, but it's only, I think there was three. Two girls had kids and then my girl was there and then me, you know, so. It's interesting that you were able to finish school while, you know, still fighting your drug use and having a kid. I give you credit, most people can't do that for high school. A lot of people drop out. Thanks, man. Yeah, it was hard, but, you know, I got to give a lot of credit again to my mom, you know,

and she was helping me out. And we lived here when she even let, you know, my kid's mom move in, you know, as soon as she found out about it, she was heated when she found out. But she loved moving and, yeah, she was, she's good. She was a big part of it. If I didn't have her, it wouldn't probably happen. Did you end up going to college or did you go straight into the working world? No, I went to tech school, like tech school.

during high school. So I graduated twice in one year, first in tech, and then got my high school diploma the same year. What was like your major, your area of focus? Industrial maintenance, level one industrial maintenance. And did you go into that field after finishing? No, I did not. What happens? Why did you, you know, you seemed like you had a plan and then no, I didn't, be honest with you, I didn't like it. I didn't like it. I went to it because we got out of regular school. And I was like, man, might as well get out of regular school. It's better than here. And I get a trade out of it. So maybe if I like it, I can apply it. And if not, oh, well. But no, I didn't apply it. I wanted to do automotive, like work on cars there. But it was

filled up. So I had to take industrial maintenance. So do you think if it wasn't filled up, you know, things would have worked out a little bit better for you? Because that was something you were passionate about? Yeah. Yeah. I think it would have. But, you know, I do that game all the time. You know, I sit there and like, man, if I did that, you know, where would I be at? But, yeah, I think I would be working on cars and stuff because I do love cars, you know. And I was not interested in working at some plant back there and fixing electrical issues. Now, cars are way better to me.

Yeah. So what happens next after that? What, after graduation? Yeah, after graduation. So I graduate in summer. I knocked up my kid's mom immediately after during the summer. Yes. Second kid.

Knock her up with my son, yes. My eight-year-old son, yes, Nolan. And he, so I knock her up and, you know, just trying to do jobs here and there. I worked as a bus boy at Schaefer's, you know, its restaurant. I worked at this battery place delivering batteries. I worked, you know, all kinds of different odd-end jobs. Just trying to, you know, keep, you know, money for my kids and, you know, my kid's mom. But did something stupid the winter of that same year.

I caught my first charge ever. It was like as soon as I turned 18, I caught my first charge. Like, idiot. And my mom warned me about it. But I went into a Kmart and stole a Christmas presents for my nephews because I didn't have, no, you know, extra money for them or whatever. So I stole some Christmas presents. They were wrestlers.

They were big in a wrestling at the time. And I sold some Christmas present for him, got caught. By Kmart security? Yeah. Wait, but what about your own kid? Do you weren't thinking about your own kid at the time? I was, but I was thinking about all of them. But I was immature at the time.

You know, I wasn't, you know, you're caught up in a moment. You're like, okay, they got what they need, but, you know, my sister was struggling at the time. so they didn't have what they needed. So I was like, okay, well, I'm going to, and they, what did it was I seen them a couple weeks beforehand and they asked me for it. That's what did it. And I knew I couldn't get it for them. I knew I didn't have the money for it at the time because I had gotten fired and was in

between jobs, so I didn't have the money for it. And I felt really bad. So I was with my buddy, we were drinking. and we went in there and, yeah, it just happened. I don't know. Why did an 18-year-old dumb decision? Did drugs affect your decision at all or no? Drugs and alcohol, yeah.

Drugs and alcohol. So this was, what made you go back to drugs? You said you had a clean period when you had your kid. Why'd you go back? Yeah, I went back because me and my kid's mother, me and her started getting into it, and, you know, she was unfaithful, and then I started becoming unfaithful.

And the fight started happening. Cops started getting called and, you know, protective orders and all this stuff. She started trying to get all this stuff on me. And I started seeing what type of person she was. Like, I, no kidding, Ian, I knocked her up the first time I with her. Okay, first time, only one time. At my best friend that I told you about his house during homecoming night. the homecoming night

Was that your homecoming date? Yes Yes, yes she was But yeah Yeah It was just the girl I took the homecoming She wasn't even like my I don't even want to say it

It sounds so bad But she I was broken up with my Girlfriend at the time This is a side piece And she moved to our school And was a new new girl at school So I just started talking to her

And you know We broke up and I just ended up getting with her instead. And I knocked her up, so I ended up staying with her and trying to make work. So, but, yeah, she ended up, I started seeing her true callers come out. And, you know, she was unfaithful. She was a liar. You know, she was a lot of manipulation and stuff like that, like example.

I dropped her off at work one time, you know, during high school, right for, I think, senior year. And soon I dropped her off, I forgot that I had her credit card. She left her credit card in the car. And I drove back to give her a credit card. It was only like 20 minutes, dude. Drove her back to get her credit card. The bitch wasn't there. She wasn't at work.

I was like, I asked her friend because that's how she got the job. Her friend was there. And I said, Karas, where is Faith at? And she was like, hold on, let me see. It went in the back and never came out. So I was like, oh, no. Oh, no. I started getting a sick feeling, you know.

I was like, oh, something's up. So I start blowing up a phone, blowing up a phone. She's not answering me. She usually answers my calls immediately. So she's not answering. And she texts me, says, I'm busy at work. What do you need? And I sent her a selfie of me at her front counter like this.

And I said, are you now? Where are you? And she didn't text me back after that and started ghosting me. And I have, I have, it was my daughter at the time. I had my, I had my daughter in the car. Everything was just going great. Just regular day dropping her off. Forgot her car, something so little, and I find out this.

And it turned out she was at the movies and seeing a customer that came in like a week beforehand through in line. And I guess he got her number and took her up there. And she said she was at work. And that was the trigger for you. Uh, one of many. Yes. Wow. Yes.

Do you think it was fate that you got her pregnant, like on that first time? Like, what are the odds at the very first time you hook up with her at that age and you're, you're having a kid with her? Mm-hmm. And then you're having not only that, a second kid with her, too? Yes. Yes. And the first time we decided to go unprotected again after the while was when I knocked her, when I got her knocked out with my son. Holy cow.

One time each, yes. No kidding. No kidding. Wow. The girls are going to be hitting your deal. DMs up after this. No, they're not. I'm not giving no more kids to nobody.

So you get arrested for the Kmart heist. What happens to that? Do they book you into a jail? They gave me citation, that's all. But, you know, it went on my record, and I didn't understand either the whole job thing. Like, now it limits me so much. That one charge? That one little theft.

Because it's shoplifting, right? Yes. McDonald's won't accept theft. you know, Wawa won't accept theft. Nobody will accept theft charges, really. It's either they'll accept theft,

but they won't accept felons, or they'll accept felons, but they don't accept thieves. And I'm a felon and a thief. Was that a felony or charge, or was that a misdemeanor? So it was a misdemeanor? And you couldn't get that.

There was no program, first-time offender or anything? I got a PBJ for that, but I think it was still on my record, or I asked for a PBJ, but it went on my record. It wasn't nothing, though. Nothing ever came about of it.

Like, just some little charge that went on my record. But I think I can get it off now. So what happens after that? So, yeah, so eventually me and my kids' mom, we get into it a lot. And eventually, I catch her, you know, doing stuff with, like, seeing my friend or whatever. It was a buddy I had, one of my best friends. and it was an Easter Sunday. And she was, she was pregnant at the time.

And she, uh, she went and said she was staying because my mom kicked her out because she was just being an asshole to everyone. Like my mom, she disrespected my mom. That I couldn't tolerate. I had to get her out there. So, my mom said how to go. So she went. And, um, but yes, I was just had a feeling.

And I looked on Facebook and I saw. a selfie that she put up and my buddy that she barely knows hard at it I was like what the fuck is that so I drove down his house he only lived like 10 minutes down the street drew down his house sure enough her car was there

so I was like I'm done I'm done this is it and then they claim that her car got busted all up and stuff like that and they took me to court for it she went on the stand for it he went on the stand for it And the only thing he saved me was he said something like I had custom headlights in my car.

And that was totally not true. I wasn't even driving. It was my mom's car and she didn't have custom headlights. So he was totally wrong about that. And the judge is like, no, we can't move on with this. It's done. And he threw it out, throughout the protective order and all this charges for messing her stuff up allegedly. Would that have been the first,

of like a serious charge you would have gotten if that stuck? That would have been, yeah, yeah. But I started, you know, and I got really depressed and eventually relapsed and trying to juggle being a dad. You know, I never missed any birthdays or Christmases or nothing like that. You know, I always made sure, even though on my worst day, I tried to make sure that I was there present, you know. That's one thing I cannot be as a bad dad.

That's my biggest fear. So I was always there, but it always happened. I was always locked up on my birthdays. Like, I was always in jail on my birthdays. It was the weirdest thing. And, like, the first time of five years I celebrated my birthday was, like, in 22, 2022. My mom was like, wow, you're actually home for it. We can have a cake and stuff.

So what were some of these times you were getting arrested for? And what was happening? So I was, you know, catching theft. I was, you know, just charges related to it, getting into it with people, you know, that trying to rip you off, you know, get caught up, just get pulled over, you know, get caught, you know, get caught, what's it called, like, I don't know how to say it, running up in people's houses, you know, stuff like that, you know, just getting into it trying to find money, doing, you know, cruddy things. and yeah that's what I was doing with it I was I was getting getting worse and worse by the minute and spiraling down to where I couldn't be a good dad anymore and I checked myself in the reeds and all that and then eventually I got you know this felony case that I couldn't just like you know go do a couple months for or whatever and they put me in drug court for it I ended up asking them to drop it down to $1,000 and 10,000, and I would accept drug court for them doing that, and that's what I took.

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iPads from Walmart. Wait, how could you even steal from electronics from Walmart? I thought it's all locked up. It is. But the simplest thing, I walk up, I used to dress up nice, and I walk up. I hide my marks and my track marks. And I get dressed up in a nice, you know, nerdy outfit looks like. And I come in there and I would act like I was buying them

And I would go all the way down to when they get to, what's it, when you want insurance or whatever on it. What's it called that form where they'll fix it for you if you break it in a certain amount of time? When you're checking out on the screen? What's that called? Like where you can see. The waiver or insurance? Yeah, a couple extra dollars you can get that.

Yeah. Yeah. So when they got to that part, they would pull it out and they would put it in a bag. They would unlock it for me. So once they got unlocked and set it down, I'd like I'd threaten them and tell them don't fucking follow me or something bad that's going to happen to you and I would run out the automotive automotive door was right there so what do you just grab it from the table right there they put it they set it down they would freeze like almost every time they would just be frozen like okay and I would just take it and walk and and that's what it was like it was the simplest thing ever you know and you're not wearing a mask nothing you're just no reckless reckless reckless I was I was I was running there stealing TVs, anything. Like, it was bad, dude.

It was bad. And then how many times would you do that? And would you hit the same Walmart? Yes, I hit, like, I hit every Walmart from Tucson County down 95. I Googled it and marked them. And they ended up catching me for all of them with it later on. But that's what I dropped the fleet down to the thousand and 10,000, because I was stealing iPads and stuff from every Walmart, Harford County, Baltimore, Cecil.

And I would drive down to Baltimore to get my drugs. So it was convenient. Are you, like, banned from Walmart now? Yes. How does that work? Yeah, I know, like, when people get shoplifting charges, they'll get banned from that store. How does that work? Do you get, like, served with a letter?

Yeah, and part of, like, your plea agreement is that they tell you the owner or whatever, the corporation has banned you from the store for life from all locations in the world. So I'm not allowed to go in any more Walmart. It just sucks. I like one more. But if you go into one now, they're not going to, like, if you go on the one in Damberry right now, what are they going to do to you? You know, they got, like, their cameras got, like, recognition.

So if people that have been banned or have been caught, thieves, whatever, known thieves, they have their faces and the thing. So I don't know about all the way up here, but they have certain regions down in my area. And this woman, I guess I ran all over a region. and she came to every single court date. She was there with the cashier, made sure they were there every single time. So that's how they did it by regions.

But I don't know, they probably could eventually. If I, like, showed my face and walked in there, yeah, it would probably pop saying, I'm banned, and they need to get me out of there. How'd they finally catch you and arrest you? They didn't catch me at first. I got away all the time and was stealing a bunch of stuff. And I actually got clean months later.

forgot all about it, thought everything was fine, didn't realize about the face stuff that they have in their cameras, went already back into my local Walmart to go grocery shopping with my kids. And you were going to pay that time? Yeah, I did pay. It was with my kids and my kid mom at the time. And I walked in there. And I bought, I went grocery shopping and bought a couple things. And as soon as I went walking out, they had two Elkton cops sitting around the corner waiting for me to walk out.

and they said walk back inside. I said, what? I have my receipt right here. They're like, we're not worried about that shit in your cart. Get back inside. I said, fuck. And that's how it went. And they took me in there.

And that's when I knew, they knew. What would you do with the items that you would steal? I'd take them down to the block in Baltimore and sell them. Like on the street? Yeah. How does this work? Like you have an iPad and you're on the street saying, do you want one? Who's buying this?

They got to know it's stolen. you know, you know, plugs and stuff, you know, people, corner boys and everything that are down, they all do it, you just pull up and be like, yo, I got brand new iPad for 100 bucks. You know what I mean, 150? And they'd be like, they jump on in all day. They love it. Yeah, I get it within a half hour. I was good and had all my stuff sold.

And it's not tracked that it's stolen, like with the serial numbers? I wasn't for me to worry about. I never kept one. Wow. So that was the last time you ended up getting arrested? No, no, I got into a bunch of trouble. All my arrests started really happening once I went into drug court because that's when I started getting locked up consistently. Like I was consistently almost on a weekly basis in there inside county jail.

So that's what really had me and got me. And I started getting burnout on it and like drug court every little. thing they're locking you up, man, when I first came in there. They're really strict. So I was miserable about it. So I just started running and gunning, you know, getting in trouble. I was running from the cops, took them on a, ran from, took them on a chase down, Route 7 in Northeast Maryland in Seasville County.

They caught me, though. How'd that happen? How'd the chase start? Dude, I, okay, so drug court sent me to a rehab, right? Okay, because I was using it. I relapse one time. And they sent me to Harford County, and it was to, I can't remember the place it was called, sorry, but it was a rehab, and I got kicked out of it within a week. I got caught cheek in my medication.

And, yeah, because they were giving me Suboxin too early. They were trying to stuff it down my throat. As soon as I got there, and I was like, yeah, I'm sick. Like, I'm dope sick. I'm not taking it. And I would cheek it. And I put it in my pocket in the lake. caught me like the fourth day I did it. But I got kicked out of there in the same day,

at the same place, but in a different house across the street. My other friend, my buddy, got kicked out for having, bro snuck his girlfriend in to the rehab house. He snuck her in. It's not like a recovery house. It was a rehab. And he snuck her in and she was like staying there every night, driving down from our county to his and then leaving before they came in to check on him at the morning. So they found out about that same day, kicked us both out. So I just got a ride back up with him and went to his house. And then how do they start chasing you with it? So I had my girlfriend come over once. I got back in Cecil and told her what happened. I was like, yeah, I'm going jail again. Don't know when because let's see, but I'm not turning myself in. I called

jar court up soon as they kicked me out and they're like, they're like, oh, it's all right. It's about what, 10 o'clock now? You can make it here by 1.30 court on Friday, and that's when we have court 1.30 on Fridays. I was like, fuck. No, I'm not. I mean, I was like, what if I can't get a ride in time? They're like, you better have your ass here or we're going to put a warrant out bottom line. We'll see you then and hung up on me. So I was like, fuck that. And I, I went up with my buddy and went to his house instead and try to hide out. But I, it didn't work out very long. Three days. He told on me, he called the law on me because he didn't want me stayed in his house. And he didn't tell me that. You could have just said, yo, bro. He said my girl

was wild. My real girlfriend, her name was Christiana. But he tried to kick me out and wouldn't ask me to leave. So he called the law on me about it. And then the cop showed up there, or did you already leave? And then they started chasing you? Well, he didn't know. I heard him. He was talking too loud. He was all messed up, and he was talking too loud. And I heard him, him and his girl talking to the cop about it in the next room over. And my girl heard too. And she said, you better grab a shit and run. So I ran.

And I heard they said, oh, he's going to be laying down. He's about taking a nap and he's going to be in our bedroom or some shit like that. So I took off and started running down the road. And, you know, like a madman, I was cutting through woods, cutting through people's yards and shit. And, of course, someone calls law on me anyway and tells him where I'm at now. So eventually, I was so dehydrated. It was such a hot day, bro.

I remember that. It was so hot. I ran, I think, like a mile and a half, and I started, I swam in this little, like, creek and got out so dirty, so dirty, covered in dirt. And then, one, I seen one police car come past, and I jumped in the gutter, like the drainage ditch on the side of the road. But it was filled, like, they didn't clean it in a while, and it was filled with poison ivy. And I didn't know it. and I covered my whole body and poison ivy. And I jumped back out and I start running again.

And the second cop went down the road. I guess he was responding to me. And he saw me, lit the lights up and pulled me over. He said, what's your name? I was like, right on. And I could not run anymore. Bro, I was so dehydrated, lightheaded. I could not run anymore.

And I passed out when they brought me into the jail. I passed out. And they had to like, like, force poor Gatorator into my mouth. and they were going to take me to the ER and stuff, but it was crazy. I passed out and stuff at the jail. How many times do you think you were in or arrested in jail and then what was the longest, like, stint you did in there?

I actually talked to, shout out Ray, Ray, if you're watching this, but I talked to Ray, my case manager, the second one, one that's I was cool with. He told me for a fact that it was in the hundreds. A hundred times you were arrested? It was in the hundreds. it was like it was probably little over a hundred times like no bullshit I had the text from I asked them because I wanted to know but yeah and I said can you give me the paperwork

because he used to show it to me to talk shit in all the time he said you see that fucking stack that's you that's a headache for me he's like and that's you rod he showed me my paperwork and it was so thick all the time but he said he threw it out but he said it was in hundreds so you get pulled over right now how is a cop going to treat you oh here You're good. I've been in trouble in a couple years. I graduate drug court. I, you know, I'm clean sober now other than marijuana. I smoke weed. But that stuff never goes away, though, on your record, does it? After a certain amount of, I think they changed the laws or whatever recently, a certain amount of years you can. I think I have one more year to go on my felony, maybe, until I can maybe get it. Because it's not, I think it's different classes of felonies. So I think I might be able to get that off my record eventually, hopefully, now they changed the law in Maryland. Was the felony the shoplifting one?

It was the felony theft one when I was like robbing the people working at the cashier, the cashier in there, yeah. At the Walmart? At the Walmart. Yeah. Man. That's a big arrest record. That's a big rap sheet. One time I went to, it was in Baltimore.

county, not the city. And I was running out with a couple of iPads. And this was, I think, like, what was it? I can't remember. But I beat the charge. So I messed up and forgot about it. They caught me on one, but I beat the charge so it didn't stick. And then it caught me three months later when I was in my Walmart getting groceries. But first time I called it, I was running out and he, the cop, because he beat me up, I accidentally ran. It was an off-duty Baltimore City cop in line at a Walmart. And I ran through, out of all the checkout, I ran right past them. And he waited for me and he, fucking horse collared a shit out of me and whooped my ass.

Yeah, what my ass. When you're doing this, you know, when you're continuously getting arrested using drugs, do you ever get tired of it? Like, dare you're like, I don't want this life. anymore? What's it, what's the mindset when you're living this life? I mean, I can imagine you probably didn't have a good living situation either anywhere, you know? Um, yeah, I see, and like the more you're around people, you know, the more people you get connected with, and then you start hanging out with people like that on the outside, and you, it grows from there, and then you start hanging around

with, like, and then that's who you all, all you hang around with. And then you become your environment, you know so i was always around like you know people that were in jail and prison and stuff so they that's all they do that's all that's all they do and and it makes you more violent and it makes you know i don't have to say it farther gone like you're from coming back to be able to have a normal life you know and uh luckily i was able to you know pull myself out of that and and get back to myself. But at that time, no, no. Even though I was worried about my kids and all that,

I thought that that was the only way that I could, you know, do stuff. Because I was like, you know, selling stuff, you know, but that was a long time ago, you know. And I never got caught for that stuff. You were in a way becoming like your dad at some point, you know, whether you were, you did say you were trying to be there for your kids, but, you know, some of your actions, it must have been hard. Yeah, yeah.

I don't... I always told myself I never want to be my dad. I never want to be anything like that motherfucker, asshole. But I ended up being almost everything I hated about him, you know, besides the abuse of my family and treating my family like shit. Besides family. You know, everyone else. Like, if you're not, like, one of mine, one of my people, like, I would rob you.

I don't care. Like, I didn't care about you. Like, I didn't have empathy. I think that I, because of my father and how he was, you know, I didn't have his empathy like that. And I didn't care. I didn't care. I thought, you know, so the fuck what. You know, I need this.

My kids needs whatever. And I need my, I have a habit. You know, I got a bunch of stuff I need. So I didn't care. I just wanted to make sure I got money for drugs and for my kids. That's all. That's all I was worried about. But I didn't care.

I got it. When was the final straw for you? When was it that moment where you're like, I need to make a change in my life and do better? To use death. To use death. Cristiana, remember I told you my main squeeze back in high school, me and her were fighting in all. period and I ended up knocking up my kids mom well I ended up re-linking up with her later down the road and her name was christiana and uh yeah we we ended up getting back together and things were

great for a while but her family always has hated me and uh you know and they're they've always mistreated her too like they they're all i don't even want to get into them but she when she died that's when I knew that I am going to die if I don't change. If I don't make a correction, I am going to do the one thing that I am most afraid of in this world, and that's leave my kids without father. Like thinking of my daughter or my son in a situation that I was in, for example, or, you know, my sister was in, all, that,

I'm sorry, I miss, I had me, I messed up. What were we saying? Sorry. Just about how, I'm sorry, I messed up. No, you didn't mess up. You were saying, you were just saying you didn't want to leave your kids without a father after she passed away. Yeah, yeah. So I knew I had to make a change, yeah.

I knew how to make a change. And I checked, I was going into rehab that day. And I ended up, my first day of rehab was her death day. How did she pass away? OD. She OD. I went to jail again. And I think she just had enough.

You know, I wasn't there for her. And halfway through whatever the sanction was, she stopped answering my calls. And I was like, fuck. And she was clean at that point. She was a gear clean. So I immediately got worried. And I was like, oh, my God, no, no, no, no. And I went and tried to get a hold of everyone.

Nobody was answering me. None of her family. They wouldn't answer me anyway. But I tried. And ended up turning out that her real dad ended up messaging me and telling me that she OD'd during the night before and that she was on life support. And he didn't know she was going to make it. And she was on it for a month.

She lasted a month before they, her family pulled the plug in. And her death was on July 28th, I believe. July 28th. Of this year? Of 2022. 2020. And this is the mother of your kids. No, not the mother.

No, no, no. That's, this was the woman I was going to marry, you know. You know, my fiance. She was my fiance. fiance, yeah. She was kind of like in between, oh, this was the original woman before you met the one, the mother of your kids. Yes, yes.

My middle school, high school sweetheart, yeah. Yeah. I was always, always just, you know, attracted to her. I don't know why. Like, it's that one girl that, you know, just ends up always end up linking back with her somehow, some way, you know. And, you know, for me, that was her mind. was her and yeah she fortunately passed away two years ago but um yeah it was hard for us man it was

hard for my kids you know losing their stepmom you know it was hard for me losing you know my spouse basically you know not not having a body and i haven't dated anyone since do you think if she didn't pass away you never would have got clean well i well i i relapsed i was clean when she when she uh odeed and then i relapsed but um And then I relapsed for a month. And then while she was in the thing. And once I knew she was dead, I checked in to rehab. You know what I mean?

You get it? That's how it happens. So, but, yeah, I relapsed for a month when I heard the news when her dad broke the news to me. I just couldn't take it. Couldn't take it. I immediately hit up somebody and started doing dope again. What happens to your kids when you go to rehab? You know, their mom.

you know, usually has them half the time and then my mom would help out or my sister would help, you know, the family. I got a pretty good, you know, group of people around me now that I can rely on and they can rely on me now. So how's your guy's relationship now, you and their mother? Dude, it's crazy you say that because just more and more stuff that's been happening since we talked or I talked to your, you know, your people at the beginning. beginning when we set this thing up, she actually just got in a car wreck three weeks ago. And she can't move her body, can't talk, got to trache in. She's two hours away from my house currently down in like shock trauma in Maryland,

University of Maryland. They moved her over to like their rehabilitation center. So she's got to stay down there for a couple weeks and then they're going to move her locally back to Seas County closer. So, but yes, she just got a car wreck. She, uh, but we, we, it's been rocky. I actually just finished going to court for custody and my kids. I got, I won primary custody a month before she, you know, gotten this accident.

So not pretty recently. Now, does an incident like that, you know, put triggers in your mind to start using again? Um, well, I wouldn't say triggers. thoughts, yeah, it definitely pops up. Like, you know, your brain can trick you and try to play you into, you know, going and getting high. But nothing ordinary just like, you know, why don't you just go get high, bro? You go, go grab something. It's all right.

And it's just a brief thought. And then it just goes away because, you know, I'm pretty seasoned to this now. But, yeah, at first it was hard, you know, when I first started trying to get clean. It was hard. triggers were everywhere and I was very easily, you know, led into relapsing. Have you had a conversation with your kids about your past, who you are, who, you know, their grandfather was and, you know, kind of. You know STK for the stakes and the DJs, but do you know about the best kept secret in town?

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So that's all they really know. You know, they don't know the details or anything about him or me, for that matter. But I'll probably be, you know, tell him about everything eventually. but not right now. Do you think you'll ever make peace with your dad? No. No. And you're okay with that?

Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. He's done so many things, man. He's truly evil individual. Like, I'll give you a couple examples. Like, when I was a kid, he would sit there and I remember one day he went down.

We were right around doing all the, all the things. things he was doing all his errands. And all I wanted to do was, and I asked him that, could I use a bathroom, dad? Dad, I have to use a bathroom. He would not stop. And he went all day. Went all day. And I asked him again, multiple times, whenever he said, no, just wait, hold it.

And eventually, I remember the last place we went was my grandfather's house. My mom's dad, his house. They let my dad at that time come down. there washed the car so we went down there and that was the last place we were at and i mean i was like dad can i go in and he wouldn't let me in he wouldn't let me in he knew what he was doing he was sitting there doing it to to torture me and basically forced me to piss and shit myself so that he would have the reason to say to my mom later why he beat the fuck out of me you know so that that type of shit like that.

And he also was into drugs and stuff real bad. And, you know, like, he would sit down there and hold me down for hours, pick at my face. As a kid, pick out my face after he picked his all to hell and couldn't pick his anymore. He'd hold me down and claim that I have acne on my face that wasn't there, you know? And I'm like, fucking, like, eight or nine, bro, I don't have a bunch of acne. What are you talking about? seven, I was a little kid, so he would do stuff like that. And just dig into my face.

He beat up me and my brother, Brad, my brother Ronnie. First time I met my brother, I didn't even know he existed. This is how I found out about one of them is that we drove up to a random house one day because I was always forced to ride with my dad. And he just walks into this house. and then a second later I see a guy, a little, a teenager gets thrown out of a house onto the yard, and I see my dad come out behind him

and just start pummeling him on the front yard. And I'm just sitting there looking in horror, you know, scared, shitless in the car, don't know what's going on. And then he drags this kid into the, and yells at me, tells me get in the back, and throws him into the front seat,

and he says, you're coming to fuck with us. And he said, no, I'm not. And he went to go get out, and my dad punched him. hard as he could again in the face and stunned him pretty bad and he didn't try to resist him after that and he closed the door and we got he got in the car and I said dad you know who is he and he said that's your brother say hi and then he smacked him again and start cussed him out why the hell are you doing this and that and I guess his mom called up called up my dad and said he was acting up and he

needed to get handled or get you know discipline so my dad wrote up there but randomly and that's how i found out my brother ronnie it's him getting beat up you know you know but he yeah he pumbled him and um but he ronnie's in prison now you know he's in prison um he's in prison um he he didn't take it well you know he had a stepdad but he didn't take it well as as like me and my other brother brad did you know ronnie ronnie ronie is even though he don't like to admit it, you can be, you know, sensitive person. And dad really fucked him up

because he fucked us all over. What are some, you know, tools you use yourself to keep you grounded and, you know, to keep you on track and not relapse and have another one of those moments? My kids are, you know, just remembering what I got and what I got to lose, you know.

I didn't care a couple years ago if we, you know, if I ran somebody and had a problem with him, I wouldn't care about, you know, handling it to whatever level he wanted to take it to. But nowadays, like, I am worried about it. I would be lying if I said I wasn't worried about it. I don't, I'm not going to risk my freedom and my kid's life with their dad over some guy, you know, some random motherfucker that's talking shit. If I'm going to go to jail, it's going to be for my kids, you know, about my kids, about my family. And that's what Ronnie did.

Ronnie went to prison because some guy, when he went to prison the first time, molested his daughter, my niece. Leanna, we love you. And he, they went to court, tried to hand, like Leanna and my brother's kid's mom went to court, tried to do it that way. and he said, he was mad as hell, but he said, I'm going to wait and see what happens. And he was like, but I don't think they're going to do nothing about it. And they don't, whatever. And they didn't do nothing about it. He's still free to this day.

And my brother ended up seeing him out somewhere and I guess, you know, allegedly shot at him. And that's what he's down the road for right now. What's the number one thing you want people to know about addiction, about, you know, the things we do when we're battling addiction and on drugs and, you know, some of the situations you've gotten yourself in and having a criminal record now? What do you want people to know about that? I would want people to know that there is help out there and that you should have good people around you. And if all the people around you are doing fuck shit, then that means you're around a bunch of fuck people that are not good for you and that are going to lead you down to the same shit

and on their level. So eventually you're going to be that same one that you are talking shit about and think that you will never become. So don't think you can't be you, you know, and don't take your life for granted and your freedom for granted. It could happen to anyone. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Addiction doesn't discriminate, as what we say down there. It does not discriminate. I've seen lawyers. I've seen cops. I've seen, you know, I've seen teachers, all kinds of people in, like, trap houses and stuff. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's not all homeless people riding around on bikes.

You know, that's not all addicts. You would be surprised how many people really know in your life that are on drugs and you just don't know it. Well, Rob, thank you so much for coming on the show today and sharing your story. And we wish you the best and, you know, a bright future that the road ahead is brighter than the road behind. Thanks, man. Thank you. I appreciate it, dude. Yeah, it was fun to come on here, man. I love the show. And, yeah, I want to thank you, dude. I love, I love, I love. the honesty that you put into these, you know, I think that you're honest about what you do here.

And I think that's awesome as hell. I think that you are being real instead of being fake and going with the norm of, oh, I'm a tough guy, gangster, gang member, blah, blah, blah, blah, when I come out. Not everyone's, you know, all these tough guys come out. You tell me so many tough guys in a prison, you know what I mean? so you're at least honest about so that's why i hit you up and said you all want to come in and spill the beans and see what's up so and i think you for having me on yeah thank you and i think it's so cool that you are a listener from like day one you were saying since the jd delay episode the very first one that was like my fifth or sixer it was in the first 10 and and to see someone

that has been a listener who is now on the show for so long i think that's cool and i love that And it's cool seeing people get comfortable with the show with me and want to reach out. That's why I try to, you know, to respond to as much people as possible that I can to get them on to the show. No, I appreciate it. Thank you for having me on, man. And thank you for let me, you know, tell my story and get that stuff out there because it's not right. You know, it's not right what these people have done. And it's horrible to live like this.

And if people don't call out for what it is, then it's just going to keep happening. and I don't want my kids or any kids to go through what I went through, what all our brothers went through. We all got abused. We got beat by this man, you know. And what Cuttize is the, he, the final nail with me is he, I walked in to go check in the drug court and the sheriff pulled me in from the security at the front desk and asked me where I was last week.

And I told him so. so I wasn't even in the county. I don't even think the state at the time. And what happened is he got pulled over. Ronnie Hunt got pulled over. And he told the cops that he let me borrow his truck for a week and that it was my drugs that they found in his truck. Blamed his own son that we were on decent terms with at the time.

Blamed his own son. And claims that the drugs are his and tries to get me locked up. No, when I'm facing years. know when I got kids my own, know when I'm trying my best and not even in the county and away from everyone so I can not get high. And you're sitting here trying to put me in jail behind my back. That's the type of dad that he is and that's the type of dad that I am not. And I am proud to say that my kids love me. I have my kids and he is going to die alone.

and I'm sorry if it sounds cliche or you know mean but I think he fucking wholeheartedly deserves it too because he has robbed me he has beaten me he has hurt my whole family my aunt just killed herself killed herself over this man this man and my grandmother they're two evil people they sit there and put down my aunt until she blew her brains out we just buried her as well. We just buried her last month. And you know what he did? He didn't even bother to come to the funeral. He just went over and stole her car.

He still has it. It's parked out front of his house right now. He stole her car and didn't even bother to come and show up and give his fucking, you know, condolences to his own sister. That's you. That's you. That's you, Ronnie, and that's never going to be me.

That's what I can say about it, you know. So I'm going to do me. I'm going to be the best father I can. And hopefully, you know, I am able to build something here, you know, and show my kids that even though they ain't got all this, they wanted a big family and grandfather and stuff like, even though they didn't got all that. I'm going to try to do my best to give them the world.

And so that's what I'm trying to do right now, trying to go around and become successful like you, man. I love that, man. Anything's possible. You just got to keep at it. I appreciate it, bro. I appreciate you, man. That means a lot that you took the time to come out here and this be your first podcast. Of course, man.

I was stoked about it. It's stoked. Awesome. Well, you know, keep in touch, man, and keep doing you. And keep listening to the show, man. I appreciate the support. No problem bro