Locked In with Ian Bick - How I Survived The Deadliest Federal Prison in America | Capo

Episode Date: November 12, 2024

Capo shares his journey of survival as a Vice Lord in one of America’s toughest federal prisons and his decision to step away from a life of crime. Capo opens up about the harsh realities he faced behind bars, the strategies he used to stay safe, and the lessons he learned in the prison system. He also reveals why he chose to leave the criminal lifestyle behind, focusing instead on his music and building a positive future. #FederalPrison #ViceLord #LifeAfterPrison #TrueCrime #PrisonSurvival #rapmusic #hiphopstory#CriminalReform Thank you to our sponsors this week: Mint Mobile: Get your new 3-month premium wireless plan for just 15 bucks a month by going to https://mintmobile.com/locked DISCLAIMER: $45 upfront payment required (equivalent to $15/mo.). New customers on first 3 month plan only. Speeds slower above 40GB on Unlimited plan. Additional taxes, fees, & restrictions apply. See MINT MOBILE for details. Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Connect with Capo: IG @silentmobcapo FB: https://www.facebook.com/@gxlddvpe/?mibextid=LQQJ4d YT: https://youtube.com/@silentmobcapo?si=dbN-DnVPceuVVqT0 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@smcapo?_t=8rCIVjfoF3O&_r=1 X: @silentmobcapo Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4I6JxhZsqMOOfCF6NzFOSY?si=f6lOlGRaQQeTLk1xii6Hsw Soundcloud: https://on.soundcloud.com/vDg7YAndsS9FmSGm9 Presented by Tyson 2.0 & Wooooo Energy: https://tyson20.com/ https://woooooenergy.com/ Buy Merch: https://www.ianbick.com/shop Use code lockedin at checkout to get 20% off your order Timestamps: 00:00:00 Growing Up in Ripley, Tennessee 00:04:49 The Awkward Handshake Incident 00:09:15 Misconceptions About Gangs 00:14:31 Understanding Gang Dynamics and Initiation 00:19:03 Reflections on Isolation and Parenthood 00:24:37 Confrontation with Law Enforcement 00:28:54 Reality Check: Life Inside Prison 00:34:01 The Reality of Federal Prison Politics 00:38:38 Prison Dynamics: Respect and Boundaries 00:44:29 Challenges Faced by White Inmates in Prison 00:48:56 Prison Life 00:53:18 Prison Social Hierarchy and Racial Divisions 00:58:34 Navigating Hustle and Survival in Prison 01:02:28 Navigating Parole and Violations 01:07:05 Life in the SHU and Prison Experiences 01:12:18 Life Lessons: Live and Let Live 01:17:04 Insights from the Penitentiary: A Unique Perspective Powered by: Just Media House : https://www.justmediahouse.com/ Creative direction, design, assets, support by FWRD: https://www.fwrd.co Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Capo, welcome to Locked-In Man. Shout out to Kit, William Kitter-Rogers for Connected Us. Yeah. Yeah, I can't wait to hear the story about how you guys met and talk to each other. Good, I got you. So we're in Tennessee right now. We're at an Airbnb.

Did you grow up in Tennessee? Yeah, I'm originally from Ripley, Tennessee. So it's like a small country, but big shit going on there. Where is that in comparison to here? West Tennessee. Okay. We're in middle at Nashville, but West Tennessee more like rural country, Fort Pillow, all that. So the home of Alex Hayley is out there, Jackson, Tennessee.

But pretty cool, I do. Learn a lot of values and morals. We're just in a lot of gang shit. Small town or big town? Small. Everybody know everybody. Who'd you grow up with, parents, siblings? Yeah, I had both my parents.

but they got divorced when I was like 13, but they were both active. I can't, I couldn't ask for better parents than my guys. Do you think the divorce affected your life at all? No, because it's like they were divorced. They weren't together. We were still together. They were.

So it's kind of like, it's one of the third, like you just overlooked it was for the better, but they both were great. they didn't miss nothing out in the midst of their boo or shit like they gave what's the world so a lot of people look at me like she you ain't come from that with you a street nigga but am i so but a lot of people don't i just value my parents so and they did their best so i look at it like them getting the divorce was them it didn't affect me or my baby brother we turned out great we still great and we

all the biggest thieves. That's good, yeah. Did you guys grow up with money, or did you guys struggle? Nah, we, my mama worked out of hard. Now, my daddy won a lawsuit for the city of Memphis for $1.2 million when I was 16. For what? He blew his hand up at the VA hospital.

He served in the military? Yeah, Navy. A Navy, okay. Did you guys grow up strict? Because he grew, he was in the Navy? He grew me up street. My other brothers got off. I looked like him the most.

So shit, he was on my head, like two back pockets. It was like, it worked out, though. So why do you think you still kind of went into the street life or, you know, the path you chose, even despite having a good family? Shit, kind of, like, by default, I became a white lord at 13. and before I knew it

I had more enemies than friends because everybody that I thought with my friends were the opposite gang and shit when I got the expression what I was and who I was through family they ain't like it

and it was like doggy dog can't come home running a mom and aunt them every day I'm still a gun I'll fix one of y'all but it was just what it was. Was it normal at that age to join a gang in your town city? No, I went looking for this dude to palm me up.

Yeah, I ain't going to put names on them, but yeah, I kind of, my uncles were the business. So it's kind of like at birth, but you grow into it. All your family is this. So now that's when I'm a teenager, you're going to. be that. But once I figured out that I wanted to do it, it was over.

What attracted you to gang life? What did you like about it? Initially, I wouldn't attract it to it. I didn't know nothing to bat it. It was more like, I'm in the bathroom in middle school, 7th grade.

Me, all my homeboys or friends, we're chilling and they all teaching the handshake. So they teach this handshake, getting around to everybody, they didn't talk me the handshake. So I throw it up. I'm piped up now. I can't wait

to get home. I got to tell somebody I'll do a handshake. Man, I pull up on my uncle, shake his hand. But automatically, you know, he's older. So he's going to know the street shit. So he shook my hand and I'm shaking his hand. He went straight into it.

I said, oh, you know it. So once he did that, but I curved my hand as a GD. He was like, he was like, nah, he grabbed my fist. He was like, who taught you that? I'm like, my friends. I'm hyped up at him. My friends are talking, we're going to do it again tomorrow. He was like, no, you don't got to do that.

He said, he took my hand, showed me how to hold my hand. When they do their handshake tomorrow, I want you to do this. You keep your fingers straight when they curve theirs. I'm like, okay, cool. Oh, I'm lit. I can't wait. I practice it at home. Get to school next day.

Man, I get in the bathroom. Everybody's shaking the hand up. I'm hype. He gets to me. Shake my hand. Boom. As he's shaking my hand, I'm telling him, hey, my uncle told me to do this. And I say, you're a goddamn hook.

I said, oh, jeez. I'm like, what you're talking about? I'm, like, hold up. Now, yeah, he threw up the other stuff. I'm like, I ain't threw it. up no no so as they get the gang up I just struck out the bathroom I got to go she got to the I could ran around the office they chased me around to the office caught the principal coming out with God he was like what y'all doing this boy I'm like

they chasing me what they chase you for because I did this oh man yeah and when I did they went in the uproar they were throwing it down I didn't know what that meant shit I'm gonna straight to my uncle and you got me me you got me me made me lose all my friends. I ain't got no friends anymore. So he's like, why? I'm like, because you told me to do this. I'm like she. So you kind of went from there.

Did your parents want to keep you away from your uncles because they were in the life? No, they didn't even really know. In the country, you know, but don't know. A lot of things are done, but even more stuff is unsaid. Like, oh, we know what we'll have

them over doing, but we ain't going to talk about that. It's like, you know what something is, but that don't mean you've got to exploit it, if that makes sense. And my parents were green to it. My mom, I'm the biggest I know. But when it comes, I had another student telling me, told my mom I was about good. Let's take a quick pause to talk about Mint Mobile,

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for Mint Mobile. Now let's get back into today's episode. How'd they react when they found out? I come in from school one day. My mama got my folder on the table, flicking through it. What is the basketball? I said, oh man, I don't know. She said, oh, you know, you got a whole notebook full of it. I'm like, it ain't nothing. Just me and my friend. I didn't, nothing I've ever done can be blamed or put off on me being a nation ever. Because everything I've ever gotten in trouble for was not gang related. It wasn't orchestrated. Nothing.

Everything I learned from being by-lord made me greater. So do you think that's a misconception about gangs and the vice-related? Big one. Big one. The violence did everybody see that 10% of violence from the true teachings of what we are is what people see. You only see the bad, so you're going to, you got to blame, you got to throw your shit on whatever closest to it. And once you get an excuse to throw your shit on it, they do it.

But they don't know the brothers that I know. they carry themselves like me or even you. I look at everybody is they're what I am and I'm a treat them as such. But, no, me being what I am, I love it. It ain't know, and I'm not even roaming around. It's just an everyday thing to do right. They won't great for yourself.

The best for somebody else. The violence only come in adolescence. Man, I'm going to prison, you meet a lot of people. And I was hard on a lot of, a lot of, I was very outspoken. Ain't no sending me out. You can't go to sleep, who? Fitting a nap on purpose. Not a phase go.

You got to be up on the rock. Who? Boy, I work all day. Coming here straight. I was going to run up, bro. Are you here? I ain't going. I never.

ran up nobody I didn't I didn't fuck with it because it goes against what I truly am running people up everybody that I've seen run somebody up eventually got ran up and what when you say run somebody up what is that I mean they got to go up top in the big they show mold red whatever me personally I didn't give it down I went in I went in I went in McQuarrie with two years left acting like I had two months every day. Niggas with life be like, I don't want to talk to you, you're cool.

The only person I actually linked up with was a nigga that had life, and he was the coolest. Did burpees with him off the flow? Yeah, you know about the burpees. So it's like, when you get the, like, feeling what people are, like, diversity, like different people,

and you can understand that, hey, he's just being him. I'm just me. He's just him. You don't never know what people problem is. Like, why he read it. It ain't right. I ain't saying that.

He can't be done it. No, I'm going to do that shit. But if you do it, I'm not going to condemn me. Just not let she be judged. I don't think it's cool to do that. I just ain't going to run them up. That guy I deal with him.

I'm sure he's eating up on the inside. If he'd make it out, they'll get him. The people that he told him, should get him, not us. So that's how I looked at it with that. Do you think gang life is different in the country versus like in a city, like say a New York city, more violence in the city versus out here?

I think we got more violence. Oh, you think there's more violence in the country? We're more concentrated. Okay. Cities are more numeric. They go out of numbers. The country, they've broken down to teach us. I know every thing I should know to walk at the Lord.

When I meet one that don't know that, you got nothing to talk about. But in the city, they only tough because they got the numbers. But down in the country, oh, yeah, they're going to drill in you. We ain't going around half-assing in no way. It's like you're going to know what you're supposed to know. You're going to want to know because you don't want to be bumped down on by somebody and they beat you up for nothing on.

You're just getting a random ass with it for nothing. Like for nothing. Like, oh, what's this? What you got her playing? And that's how I work. But I ain't taking no slack from the cities, but where I'm from, yeah, we did that. Isn't that how you guys get initiated too?

You have to get jumped in or something? Is that like that? No, no. Oh, it's not like that? No, yeah. Some gangs are like that. Them gang members. Okay.

We're old members. Organizations where draw our business, like moral, like principles to the point where there ain't no big eyes, no little youths. Not with us. They play it like that in prison, but you really can't tell another Lord what to do. He's a Lord. He's only second to one in this law. And once people realize that, yeah, it's more or less.

being unity of the same mindset. But, you know, that jumped in the shit, no. Now, you know, you do something. You ain't got no business. You got three or four among you, and that fight back something serious, but some of them you can't fight back. Who are the rivals of the lords?

Anybody that oppresses people. Any oppressors are the rivals of true lords. So it's not specific groups or anything like that? Any oppressor. Now, you're going to have, People say, oh, the GDs are, the Crips or the Bloods are. No, anybody that oppresses the people. So, no, and that could be one of our own.

And they're going to get dealt with. Did you ever end up finishing high school? I graduated. You graduated. You graduated high school. Did you go to college or now? What happens after high school? Street shit.

My mom moved up in Jackson. The shit that we could pull off in the, country made me have was more like balsy when I hit a city it's like oh they ain't fuck with us i can run around here and do it's bigger i can't get caught oh but the time add up too so it's like out there i got nine kids nine wow when did you have your first kid i had my first three at 20 Oh. Yeah. What's it like to have nine kids?

Are you close with all of them? Yeah, except one. Yeah, she dipped out. But I love my kids. They love me to do. They dope. Now, my teenager's going through some bullshit right now, but I be wanting to kick their ass.

Man, bro. Like, it's crazy. You got kids? No. I want kids, yeah, one day. Yeah. I get to keep a tight leash on them. It just,

But you got to think backgrounds. I want to break a generation of curse with mine. If I have another one, I feel like missing out on my kids' life, they had to hear all the stories of what their dad used to do. So now they're trying to emulate it. But times are more dangerous now than that world when I was in my bullshit. They're not understanding that. Man, these young guys now don't got no record.

go off life. And I see my sons come and go in the end and at the house and all I can do to be scared. Like, that's what my mama felt like. That's what my mom was. Mama, you the shit. My bad. Doesn't that hit different? Yeah.

A big difference. When you're in the other person's shoes like that after all those years. Big difference. Do you wish you listened to your mom now back then? I would have just, I listened. I would have just, would have. been more obedient about it. But I can't blame my parents for my fuck-ups either.

Like I said, or it was just circumstances. I just didn't give a fuck, I guess. But now, because I look at it now, like where I'm in now, trying to get stable and move forward in life, I look back and be like, damn, I really fucked up some shit. Like, credit. I'm building my credit. Now I'm doing good.

But now, because I feel like if somebody would have been like, well, you know, a job is like this easy, I love going to work every day now. You do all that time in this cell and you're sitting on lockdown six months out of time. And here you go. I ain't heard from your family all the time. That rewires you. That does something to somebody isolation of a motherfucker. So looking back on how I used to be and now. it's a lot of shit I just can't do

because I fuck myself off so I'm trying to prevent my kids from and that like all right it's a wall right there but us dad is we just I got a bad and said it once or twice sincerely

fucking hit the wall maybe you'll learn it better once you hit it now I'm really pushing you into the wall hey go go look faster so you can go and get this example and experience over with so now you can be by a day to write I just don't want to lose them do you think your experiences in prison help make you a better parent now no need to death and vice versa it's just because I was a hell of a parent before prison it was like prison it was only

the result of me of my ignorance it wasn't really something I was intentionally doing shit I was doing I didn't even have to do it all I had to do would go to work I'm stealing rob and doing anything for the next day the whole time fucking off my life not even realizing you just

messing up bro didn't care though because once you once you get so far in bullshit or in turmoil after so long you do just say fuck it and I got to that point now when I went to the feds

and this shit happened with, my federal sentence. I was on a straight narrow then. I wasn't on no bullshit. I just didn't want that nigga to pop me. So what happened? Tell us why you got sentenced to the feds. All right. It pulled over, tail light out.

I got a gun on me. I got a warrant. It was a child's a pole warrant. Pulling's over on my way back to Nashville. Man, I'm asleep. My kid's mother is driving. I was sudden the lights going on. Life's going on, okay, pull over, she's talking.

In Jackson, like in them country towns, you only post the X for the driver's info, right? Not there. They ask for everybody's info. So they asked for it, boom. Get mine, I know I'm going. Now, I accept my wrong. I know I'm going.

So I got to get this gun off of me. man I jump out run get the gun off me but I fall as soon as I get out because I was tired I just woke up and I was high as hell I was zanned out

so man I got up got the gun on me I stopped running he tackles me boom I'm like all right cool it's all right man start resisting

I'm like okay it's cool so I'm like it's dark around here I'm gonna get this nigga around the corner. So I'm pulling him as he's holding me to the front. So I end up breaking loose and running again. Man, he catches me again. And I'm like, oh, no, he jumps on my back.

So I get up in a push-ups in a push-off stance, and he hits the ground. I'm like, pancake. And I'm like, oh. So when he gets up, he's all berserk. And, man, I just seen him. I was kind of like this close. And when he looked, as he's coming up, reaching for his service weapon, I just grabbed me.

Come here. Hey, relax. Don't do that. I'm going to walk you to your SWAT car, and I'm going to let you go. Just don't shoot me. He's just going to stop resisting. I'm like, I'm not.

You're resisting. I'm trying to get you to your car in front of your dash cam. man once I got him to the car push him down the ground and now the other officers are coming they found a gun at the last minute when I watched those officers literally go around

every officer hey this your gun this is your gun this is your gun this your yours and then I go to my kids mom I don't believe in letting a woman take no charge not the mother of my kids anyway No, no, no, no, no, come on, that's mine. That's mine. Come on.

The first thing you said, you're serious, no, it's federal. I just sat there. My mom and dad did fix it. My granddad is fixed. I'll be out tomorrow. We're almost halfway through the year, and a lot of people are running on empty without fully realizing it.

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Availability and coverage vary by state and insurance plan. Shee. Never saw the light of day again. Man, next thing I know is all over the news. All over the news. I still got the clips of it. Like, a man chokes JPD officer. He said I made it hard for him to go back to work.

He was embarrassed. Shit, I show weed, bitch. He played. Did they have a body cam? Yep. And on the body cam, one of the lieutenants told him he should have shot me. A woman, a black woman at that. Not about race, but a black woman of my own kind told a white boy to shoot me.

Okay. So y'all back to blue. So blue. Okay. Y'all got that? They never looked at the whole, if you look at the dash cam, you'll see where on. trying to not hurt him. They said I choked him.

I did. So it was like, man, they hit me with it. They gave me six years in the state of Tennessee, and they gave me a nine-year sentence federal. It could have been probably an even worse sentence for the attack of the police officer, right? Yeah, they were trying to give me eight. Wow.

What was your warrant for when you got pulled over? Child support. Oh, just shot? Oh, so you would have been arrested for non-payment of child support. How much were you behind behind at the time? Oh, back then. Yeah. Oh, I wasn't on my shit at all then. I was on. Yeah. So they would have actually arrested you right then and there for that warrant? And you're going to pay a cash amount to get out. You know, you're going to sit there six months. And the cash amount goes to the child support or just bail? Okay. Yeah. So they would have found that gun regardless?

No, they wouldn't have. Like, if you tucked under the seat, you know, I ain't want to leave it in the car. My kids are down. Okay. It's mine. I ain't going to leave it and let it fall on nobody. I'm the fuck up, but I'm going to take it. Let nobody go down.

How long to take for the feds to come pick you up? I had a federal U.S. Marshal holding the next morning. And they came right away? Yeah, I was in holding. I didn't get my 72 hours. Oh, shit. Federal U.S. martial hold. And where do they take you?

Are they left you right there? I was at Mad County because I was fighting a state case, too, with a sergeant officer. Okay. So they had precedent or jurisdiction over you? Yeah, pretty much. Okay.

So do you end up going to trial on these or do you take a plea deal? I took a plea deal. Okay. Yeah. But I was like, all I wanted them to do was look at the cam, look at the dash cam,

look at the body cam. You'll see what really happened. That went on that. And I probably didn't help gang association, anything like that. No. I was a high-profile inmate, so they treated a different.

So being a high-profile inmate and an affiliate, it's like, you got informist here, man, you, even my own kind. Yeah, or he's dead, he's that, he got this status, he's dead. And when they, that's what got me said to McQuary. Man, you're that's something, that place there. But in the state, I don't know. It's going down.

So you did the state first? Mm-hmm. Okay, so you do the state, where did they send you a max? White bill? No, I'm with the white bill. Is that a low or a... It ain't dangerous. It could get dangerous, but it's ran by women.

Isn't it interesting how they send you to a lower security prison for the actual assault, but for the gun you go to the feds? Yeah. At a maximum at a penitentiary. Man, I know guys, it's been to the fed three, four times, and they ain't tested USP yet. Well, what did you do? Because they said me, man, my second day at McQuarrie, I saw somebody get stabbed in my car. And I was like, dang of white boys walk up on this when we first get there.

Time out, man, you ain't got a knife, get one. Somebody tell you to do something, you need to get them. Half of y'all ain't going to make it. And that was right, for the most part. when I say that, place got bloody. From 2018 to 23, and I've seen maybe 21 young people there. Either overdose, stabbed up, most of the overdose.

White did, they were dying, left. Now, you go, you go lockdown one night, wake up in the day morning, and you're still. You're talking to somebody right now. later on about it later on that night they blew getting carried out on a stretch it's just a reality check like I prepared every day that I was in prison just being I prepare it every day for what you see now like I just shot a video every month this year I'm not playing my music is more fun now I don't care about blowing up I don't care about being filthy rich

just want to be comfortable and take care of my family. But at this point, it's like, I ain't never going back to prison. That shit broke me. And I only hang with niggins have been to prison. And it's like we got a different bond. I know there are more the standard because we still cool. And people out here at White, coming back home, it was different, man. It's still different.

I look at this shit. I don't like any groups of people. damn shit I don't want to run around me. I just move different. But I see a lot of people coming out that ain't moving different. And I'd be like, oh, yeah, he's going back. Pull up on me, now, got to go work. I don't know where you got going.

Not getting in a random cause, no nothing. But it just, like, prison changed me. What was the biggest difference between the state prison you were at and getting to the federal penitentiary? A lot of people The room is a lot of people say The fence is better than the state Lies

Big lies My state Tennessee All it going down Man that bitch with phones Dope Everything I ran up $80,000

At Whiteville Getting the bomb Cashing out Phone the whole time A quarter of life I won't really even gone. I was just, I wasn't there physically. I get to the feds. Oh, you dead.

You don't exist no more when you go to a USP. Because you go, if you, somebody gets stabbed dead, you go down six months. If your bitch ain't solid or your family ain't rock solid, you, you're far. You're gone. If you don't have that true support system. Oh, yeah, everything's gone. Don't worry about no one.

I be telling you all niggas now. You got a gun that bigger than you. Boy, they're going to eat you 10 years. Boy, I hope that little girl. I hope you being nice to that little girl. Go, hey, go on. You get it up. They understand.

And when you go to the feds, you go man up. Ain't no. In the state, you can get away. You can get your boo game on a nigga. You can hold them, they're like, it ain't in a hands-out policy. see like they're doing the feds. In the state, if one of my guys

get called out, I bet you better go in that room, but, oh, he called you out and you didn't go, oh, you're here. And the feds is a, if I get the argument with you, I can't touch you. I got to go to your head,

and they deal with you. And then, even with with, the feds are different. Chicago run it different than we run it. Now, no disrespect to Chicago That's the motherland. Beautiful. But when you're taught a certain way,

you can't be really judged off the way you were taught. Go kill the teacher then. He taught me this way. So, it's like down here, it's like concentrate and in the feds.

They don't go off of, like, how I greeted myself, how I talked. How I acted. They looked at me like I were crazy. You can't have to do all that. Who? I'm happy to be there. In the state?

Oh, yeah. They're flying in colors. So do you think the penitentiary, the politics in federal prison makes it more dangerous than the state or more violent? Yeah. Because in the feds,

they ain't got anything that's to do. You're just sending them up with a riot. and it ain't nothing to do you don't have a TV in your cell like we do in the state your locked down majority of the day and once you're either considered a part of the group or you don't really matter that's what determines how your estate going to be I ain't my did my bid I probably got a fight once and that's because the white boy on the get up on his ass in the state. But in the Fed, it wasn't old.

I gave my paperwork. Hey, this. Now, they came to me. It was like, oh, you can't be throwing up vice board on the compound. You're confusing the men. You're on Tennessee time. You can't be saying you a vice board. Who?

You're talking to me. All right, boy, move. Yeah, tell us about how that works. It's not necessary. Like, when you get there, who approaches you first? When I got there, I was traveling whether I was going to be on game time or South time. Everybody told me that my guys, they were like,

play back get on Tennessee time, don't get on game. And Tennessee referring to like the car, right? Yeah. Okay. So I'm like, cool. And once I got the confirmation that I was told, that an informant said that I was what I was. I was like, I don't even want to be a part of what that got going.

So when I came in, I went to the vice loose first. Hey, bro, I need to holly y'all. We'll get a rundown. It's procedure. It's what I'm taught to do. I got all the vice laws in the cell. And I called one south person to come with me. Hey, I'm going south time, but I need you to let me talk to them right quick.

And I let them know. But once I got in there, hey, I'm going. who the former way they looked at me like I was crazy oh bro we ain't got to do all that we don't we don't do that like that I'm getting on South time I'm back y'all um is mighty I'm out all right cool man you can ask anybody they bumped down on me and said I couldn't throw a white lo at one time they never said it again I did it on purpose I'll work out and do burglings come up to him and nobody go I do everyone y'all's like man this is all my body. What you want me to do, cover up my tattoos?

The feds refuses to change. You can't evolve in the feds because you have no access to the outside world on the TV and have these old motherfuckers in here want to watch the stupidest shit that they were watching when they were out.

So they're not keeping up with what's going on. Like the prison shows. They'll be in prison watching other prison shows. Why would you want to watch? another prayer. Love after lockup, all that shit. Now, love after lockup, I wouldn't,

I ain't necessarily going to watch it, but I would be on it. I would pursue being on it, but nah, it just don't make sense. And because there is choreograph. This is real. But with the feds line, it's

backwards. It feels like like me and you. If you were there with me, I'm going to look at you equal. You in tan like me. You in khakis. The only people that's the option is the police. And them white boys was with the bullshit at Moquare. I met Kit in the kitchen.

And he was over his car. And he cooked like that. Now, was that allowed? Because Kit's like a white guy in a penitentiary. You guys are able to associate. You got your, you got your ones like us that didn't give a fuck. You're not going to tell us what to do. I'm who I am from where I'm from.

You're who you are from where you're from. All right. That's on home court advantage. All right. We're out of bounds right now. I'm going to respect you for being you. You're going to respect me for being me. I can't tell you you're not in big.

You're him all the time. But in the face, they want to. You got people to want to son you. Boy, your kids at home. You ain't going to see that again. Go get out of my face. I ain't your son. I can't live.

I can't fulfill your legacy when I leave and none of that. I ain't even fin to give you this pipe dream. I'd be cool like that. I stayed asleep most of the time. I went to work because it was so much bullshit. It's like politics. And none of your niggas went to college.

And then the white boys. You got the Mexicans. The Mexicans can tell on blacks or whites, right? And they're cool. They can walk the yard. But if you're a rat, you got to be ran up. Let somebody black or white come in on paperwork, hot chowments or something like that.

They got to go. But it's crazy how it is. It's like, but everybody's cool with the Mexicans. They can tell on you, dude, and they're not going to get reprimanded for it by their own people, as long as they don't tell them none of the Mexican. But you just ran your own kind of for telling them to Mexican. It don't make sense. that because they're such an integral part of the prison economy or dig riding just per dick riding they just

oh this mexican mafia oh them the vice lord oh them's all them's gd's it's just one of them things like oh you just use but the mexicans they had like the best jobs in bequiry they ran that mother's So how did you feel, given your stance on everything, how did you feel about the inmate prison rules? Like you can't sit at this seat at the TV area. You can't sit at this lunch table. I wish you was a fly on the wall. I had a Mexican name, Smoke.

They told me the table thing, right? Okay, boom. Table is like a circle. You got to walk through here. You can't walk through these tables. Man, I used to zoom. through them tables. I used to walk through them on purpose. Capo, what the fuck, man?

Boy, fuck that tape. Take it home with you. I don't want to do it. I'm like, y'all, bro, y'all know laws and world and life is changing every day. Why, y'all cake? So, man, that old walking now, he got serious, though. I've seen some people get butchered for walking through

their table. Lord, hummers. So why do you think that's happened to you? I got a praying family. I'm a God friend man. I'm a lot of fearless. I think it's more of your delivery,

your approach. Now, you can't deal with everybody the same, right? Because everybody's not the same. So when I see people, I deal with them as I take them. you got some people you just got to be hard on some people you don't have to be so bluntly you you just got to learn how to be with certain people and that's what i feel like with me

my true intentions had no malice i just wouldn't conforming to a system it's enough i got a locked down already when I'm told. Eat when I'm told. Matter of fact, I don't even want to eat. Just because you call it, I hate it when they say feeding. Are we animals now? We out here monkeys. We got monkeys, we got monkeys, little pale monkeys.

That's how y'all look at us? So it was, it was just weird. And it like, I won't conform. I just didn't. See, Kit used to tell me, bro, you know, we didn't go. Fuck that kid. I love that nigga to death. We made cookies, baked everything.

And we were making the kid. He made real good money off of it. Now, with the white car, and kids are blood. He got on work time. But he was still what he was. Just a beautiful soul. So he didn't run into certain shit. And that's how 10 that kid got in.

he won. He did him. He won. Nine times ten, if I wanted to get this and shit, I chose to get in that. Like, yeah, I'm jumping in that. Yeah. You two, people choose that battles. That's it. It ain't no. And they didn't like me in his relationship.

He didn't care. I didn't care. He spoke over me. I spoke over him. I ain't nobody. Ain't nobody going to say nothing. He better not say nothing to him. And we would have met. It went to kitchen. And we all kitchen working. They're going to be body behind the end, man. Y'all need to get them on.

They just have it worked. But y'all would have different rules than us. White boys, y'all got hard. I ain't putting white on it like that. White boy got hard. Why do you say that? Why did they have it so hard on the pen? White boys have to literally fuck themselves out

the moment they walk through the door. Them niggas are going to make sure you can fight. Because you're going on the first, if you come in a date, and say, I'm going to just say, I'm going to make an easy number. Say it's four white boys. You come in a day.

These four people already put in their work, which is mandatory for the white car. You come in number five. Oh, yeah, that means you're the next one up. Now, it might be a month. It might be a year before their work ever comes in. A lot of solid people just might come in. I pray for people walking in though.

Please, it'll be fucked up. Please don't be from Tennessee. Please. Because now if you're fucked up, we got to deal with you. I don't like that time for all that, man. I'm trying to get released. So, but with the white boys, oh, yeah.

Man, so as you come in or in. Man, and I've seen the police come straight to the white. Now, this is weird, too, in McQuarrie. Police. go up to the white boys and it was a new dude that came in and sit on top rail

man that man looked at them and said that boy ain't got no no mat for a reason and they looked at him like what I said that boy ain't got no mat for a reason he's your mother basically the police is telling you

that he's not right and you did with the police that's hot why do they even send them in the unit I still don't understand that they'd be stupid boldness coming now Well, if I know I've told on a hundred people, boy, I'm not going in there.

Please help me. But you got some with Big Kahun. I haven't seen it, boy. Man, I said a nigga coming over with his paperwork. And he's GD. GD. He's don't play that shit. That's one organization I truly respect, free Larry Hoole.

Dumb niggas is orchestrated. Man, this nigga gave him that paperwork knowing he didn't told on people, and he got 20% of his time took off everything. Man, they didn't kill that boy. I said, oh, man. You handed them the paper? You, what made you think they weren't going to read it? As people come in there and not think like they're going to just skate by,

there ain't no way. Me? If I know I ain't right, I'm not going to be hanging around you. No, and I know in the room he is all stabbing up everything. I ain't no going out, walking up. Now, the blacks do it. We're the only car that get criticized for that. We don't harm our own, and this is really warranted.

They, because I want with that shit. I stick to that. Anybody that was in the 6B with me, tell you all, Capo ain't hearing none of that shit. Capo come over, we're going to run this nigga up. All right. What are you telling me for? Man, let him do with that.

Now, the whites make these rules about, you know, you can't sit with the blacks or this and that. They work out with us, no nothing. Yeah, so do the blacks do that? for the whites? I don't know. Why is that? Like, that the whites

create these rules. Free than white people different for free world white people. I can't even... Like, it doesn't make sense from... At all.

So, I've never got that. You can't work out with me, but we talk every day. I can't stand at your table. I can't sit at your table, but I'm here standing with you at your table every day. But here to push up with me,

well, they're gonna kill you. Weird. I can't. you can't eat. I can't give you none of my food. If I make food, I can't bring in a bowl of what we made. It's crazy. Weird.

And they don't follow that at lows or at camps, but yeah, at these higher security ones, your health of this code. I think one in the top maximum security. So because you didn't conform to a lot of these rules, did that make you a target? Oh, hell no. Is that because of your gang status?

Yeah, I'm a big number. They knew not to play with me like that. I wanted the vice roads, the GDs, and the Tennessee car. I mind my business. So do you think if there was more people with your mentality, the prison system would change? Oh, hell yeah. Yeah. That's what you're thinking, though.

Yeah. I look at it like this. I looked at my bed, run smooth, came out with more money than I've ever had in my life. I ain't never had this much money in my life. before prison, I wouldn't even studying it.

I didn't care. But after coming out of that, I don't see how you sit in there and not prepare for a release. But

that shit is wrong. Like, I don't, I've never got that. What's some of the violence you see in the penitentiary like McQuarrie? Oh, I don't see.

I'm stabbing. Stabbing. Man. Man, I'm at the computer. Dude, sitting on the computer, he's looking. They're telling them, hey, bro, they want to hollas you. They told you how to go. He's like, I'm going to go in a minute, bro.

He could have just went on and went. Man, they stabbed that boy so many times. I couldn't even get up. That's how stuck I was. We could be sitting right here at the table. I was seeing this close. I watch TV. I was sitting there on your ass

and just get out the way. But it's crazy. If you organize a hit, everybody in a unit knows just one person if they get except that person. It's crazy. Yeah, how can you tell when a hit's going to go down?

It get quiet. I'm talking about a pin drop. It gets so silent. when within five seconds of it actually happening when I say every piece of silence sucked out that room and it's got the police even get up. The police, if you do it to them quick enough, they so keen to it, they get nothing to make around.

As soon as they get quiet, it better not even get a volume, the volume but not even go too low. They're getting up because they know all these niggick doing something. But, I don't see. saying some of you just stab so many. I'm just my having.

I'm just my having. Some they stabbed the Mexican up so bad. They stabbed him out. He locked both eyes. I don't even know if he lived. And you just never see him again. Who do you think it was the most

dangerous gang in there, out of violence perspective? The Mexican mafia? They only violent to their own. It's crazy. No car ever bumps heads. Most of the violence

is in-car violence. You're feeling to get hit by your own people. You feel to get ran up by your own kind. That's it. I ain't seen a blow-up. The only blow up at McQuarrie was the Bloods and the GDs.

And you got to see in them locks, boy, a nigga getting hit with them locks. Ooh! You just get out the way. Just look. All you see is. chaos and there it go. But to put like

the Mexicans, they just, even with black and white, we only do it to our own. It ain't never now if I had to say if it ever went down like that, blacks

dominate because more black people than incarcerated. Now, what's the stupid thing is okay, you got white car, Mexican car, and maybe you got now the mexicans they did be up in different when they come to being cuban or mexican or mexican mafia or uh texas syndicate but whites have independent and they have gang white but they're still white car the blacks got a hundred different car here tennessee south west coast new york all this

shit we're the biggest race in here why we got a car why we just can't be the black car why does it matter where you're from? We black, bro. We can run this. We can dominate everything here. Did you ever want to become like a leader or shock caller or anything? No way. That means I would have to talk to the police.

So the shot callers do talk to the police? Yeah, yeah. But that's allowed, but other inmates can't. Exactly. See how it sounded when he said it, yeah. You got the police. Some go down. They come to your door.

You got issues. you want to be talked to about the police like you somebody. Bid's that my daddy. When we come out, I don't even have no meeting about it. I got to go work. But it's so controlled in there. It just loves. So do you think the prison system condones it?

Most definitely. Like they influence it. By going to a shot caller, you know, that just puts fuel on it. I was saying the police tell a lot of them guys. you need to handle him and they would go in the unit and either fuck him up or run him up because of what the police said

but damn, you would do him like that what the hell on the line kicking him with y'all? I'm just a disagreement away from you killing me but maybe the police are the most dangerous gangs in there. Now they're more Macquarie guards are different

when I first got the Macquarie man, it was like 15 of looking like me tattered up everything. A little short dude. Bucky little bitch. Now you bitches understand this. This is McQuary. When you get out here on

this y'all, if you a snitch, you're a rat, woo, woo, woo, you need to go that way. If you think you can make it with the best of them, go that way. We got to go on that way. But the whole time he's telling us, Yeah, you ain't gonna make it.

Yeah, you ain't. And you got your dummies in there, all this ain't, this ain't gonna be sweet. Two weeks later, they're getting on a stretcher. Like, his mouth got him now. I took every day, like I had, I took them last two years, like I had two months left. Every day, I ain't got, I worked in the O.M.

And I ain't no way. It was just fucked up. Like, the feds, It's so fucked up. I think it's just a big mental hospital. A bunch of nutcase. Did none of us get the finished life? We just stuck what we was experiencing life

and still trying to figure out life, isolated. Was the staff corrupt? I think within them they were, but I didn't see a cell phone on that compound until, like, my last month at McQuarrie. Yeah. And in a place like that, the only way they're getting in is through a guard. Through a guard, yeah.

But, I don't know. You come to Tennessee, that shit, and they got that shit, but. I've seen in the Fed's like those little baby pocket thumb phones and everything. They're like iPhone gang, isn't it? Yeah, you see some crazy shit. So what kind of things were you doing to prepare for your freedom? I read, like, with music. I read every music being in this book.

And I never sold dope on the street. Sold in prison. It's triple the price. The time it would take me to run up $50,000 on the street is literally I can do that within three, four months in prison. And you just keep sending that to the outside or people are putting it out in your books? I was loaned it on my books and sent it to certain people, my mama. Wow.

So you were doing whatever you had to do to hustle to set yourself up for the future. I, y'all, now, my last few months, I was bugging the system. But why not do that? It's like, what do I got to lose? I'm already in prison. I need to get sucked into what going on around the masses of people or focus and get out of here and get back to my family.

Did you lose any good time or you made it all the way through? I went all seven a year with no write-ups. Wow, that's incredible. It's a gang member, too. So how long do you end up serving them? seven and a half and out of the total of what nine

nine okay and you go to a halfway house after I went to the halfway house I just got out the halfway house Did you struggle in the halfway house at all or was it okay No my counsel was awesome I had a job within two weeks

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They want the felons more than they do the civilians. Yeah, I think that is kind of, I can understand housing. Airbnb's things like that, but the job thing, you could find a job somewhere. They block me on Airbnb when I try to get me. Yeah, they block a lot of people with that. Oh, my damn. I ain't do nothing.

Yeah, we had a non-felon rent this one. Right. Yeah, okay. Yeah, so you know. And housing, you know, a lot of those things. But jobs, I mean, I worked at Whole Foods for four years when I got out. There's a lot at Goodwill. At Goodwill?

They pay pretty well, right? Don't they have good? They have the car program, too? Good way okay like this. On the street to say $12, ain't nothing. Me personally, I don't give a for a wood of job paying me. I just did seven years working for $25, $0.35, $0.15, and $16. And within a month, I'm making $100, $150 a month to slave all month,

then come out and get doubled it or triple it. Oh, yeah, I'm winning. I better go to work. I just work for these people cooking cakes every damn day. What? I'm going to go to work, bro. And living life on the edge,

probably carrying a blade around all the time. I never carry the blade. Never? That's a big misconception about prison. Any of my brothers and any of my guys and tell you, that nigga, I ain't carrying no, I ain't carrying no knife.

You know why? Because I ain't stabbing nobody. I feel like, and me and you got a problem, I'm from the beach of a ass soon as that shit misunderstood. I ain't. ain't got time to be reaching it, trying to reach in my trials.

No, as soon as you reach, you beat up. And that's how to tell when people get stalled, if you really think about it, the knife was already out and they were unexpected. I've never seen a head-up fight that started to say where one ended up with a knife and another did. Yeah, that's a good point. Most of the knives are coming out as a hit, and they're pulling up the person, and there's like five or six of them on one.

It's a playing thing. It's not like something pops off. Right. Wow. Interesting. And I feel like that's the only way I'm going to be into it with somebody unless it happens right then. So why do all these guys carry around knives? Because they told to.

Everybody in the face or certain print of interest are told to do. You got niggas around their son and people. You got a lot of them guys, they never had no parents or didn't have no upbringing. So they're ready to follow anything to look cool or popular. And they do it. And you're like, man, you're a dig router, dog. Not me. My brother's a tell you, man, that niggum going to talk shit.

I ain't going. I'm a big member like you is. I got the same status as you. He ain't been to tell me shit. And you ain't fin to send nobody out. We ain't doing that. And I ain't got to worry about no violation. I ain't going to do nothing stupid.

Just do right. Now, is it easier to violate because you're affiliated? What, violate, like, parole? Yeah, violate parole, probation, anything like that. Because that's another thing dealing with what I am. It's all in self. I can violate me because I'm the right Lord. I'm violating because I did something that ain't how to business doing.

With being the right Lord, man, we taught how to be the greatest that we can be. Now, some people don't follow it. Some people do. I ain't worried about the ones that don't. I can only embrace the ones that do. So when it comes to, all my brother's work, it ain't no balance involved. Ain't no bullshit going on because we all at work.

We ain't got time. We could barely go get a drink and chill with each other. I just catch that with your father. I ain't no rotating. All right, bro, come get up with it. Boy, I'm not going to run. a hundred body boy that's straight and I'm a boy but that don't mean everybody in here straight so now I don't get that wouldn't get nobody violated and if they use that

ex-excused yeah you stupid like you made a choice do what you're supposed to do I only seven year man how you go seven years out of right of using it's been nice yeah no I was hard hell on me it's kind of like the art of the bold moves I was just a little bit more bolder. She, if you did, you let me hoe you, I ain't tell you let me hoe you. Hell, I might be a wienie on the inside. Bitch you don't know that.

It's all in your presentation of it. Now some people will make you bag it up. I guess they never wanted to bag it up but try me like that. So I just look at it like, oh, cool. Do you think a lot of people that follow the prison politics and that type of life struggle when they get out? Yep

Yeah People on in you can't tell I've been in prison Every day in prison I did something different I didn't I'm doing something different I'm not gonna make a routine

I'm gonna leave my bed I may make my bed Do this one day I might fold it I'm gonna do something different In every day To keep my mind Refresh that this is

Not life So when I got home I got all my god I'm ready to go I'm living I just I'm mindful of what I do now. So when I know,

like, but you got some people to get institutionalized bad and can't separate. Okay, I'm asking you, did you have any cross? When you were to prison, it was different. So did you kind of bring anything from prison to home?

I mean, there's, I guess, some stuff like, you know, I guess where you sit in an area. shower shoes was a hard adjustment because you go all this time with, you know, shower. You say that because I had to catch myself jumping in the shower with my flip flops. Yeah, it feels weird, man, hopping in that bathtub naked, you know. I did that that the other day. I'm like damn stupid. Yeah, things like that.

Eating your food fast, hovering over a trice, you know, just everything, you know. And you know what prison teaches you is like you kind of, you're aware of your environment, where to sit, where to do this. You're more, you know, you don't want to. I was talking to someone the other day, they're like, I'm not cutting someone in line or flipping out if they cut in line or anything petty like that, you know? Some people, you're out of Starbucks,

they're flipping out over silly shit. They just don't know. Yeah. We're going to move up, bro. Like, patience. Like, it don't take that much. But, man, I looked at, I looked at the pretty shit, like,

it's what you make. kid I didn't have no problem. The only thing my problem was I went in home my kids. I couldn't see my mom when I wanted to. But as far as like integrate now, I can't make smooth. I kind of like people were the feds gave me a thing where standing your word because they're going to make you back it up there. State you can get away with a lot real good. they don't you can get away with anything in the state the feds thing

got nothing that's do but pay attention to each other and I think that's homo that you're sitting there focused on another man

every day do y'all not realize how like thorough that is how not normal that shit is now that these people come in

do their time now they come over and messing with me I don't know get a mouthful man I ain't gonna stop talking till you hit me in it I do you I'm gonna try to piss you off but we'll stay away from you know that to keep people away and I got to look I guess they just never approached me like that I'm just blessed I can't even say I it's just some people you be like why you always this shit and I've been in the hole you might not see

some people for 30 days. You're like, where you been? I thought you got a ship. I was being old. You got people in a white being. Got 180 days in a hole. How do you get locked up in jail? It's crazy.

Yeah. But that shoe and the fed. Now, the hole in the state and the shoe in the feds, that's a different day. I want to just shoot one time. I ain't never go back. What, for like an investigation or something? Man, the officer planted a knife in the cell.

He literally planted a knife. He said he found him in the vent. And the camera shows him sticking it in the bench trying to get it back out. Oh, shit. Guess what? That's what they wanted to do. So what happened to him? Nothing.

So DHO, you won at DHO? Now another guy took it. He had more time and he took it. Wow. Because I wasn't going to take it. I don't know. Hey, bro, we ain't do nothing. I'm ready to lough up on them.

We can't figure this out or fight it as long as possible. But I'm just going to take it, man. I ain't worry about it. Okay. It's a good dude. Yeah, and I just got out the hole and they sent me back. After that, it was like, okay. Man, you got knives, man.

There's so many people who never nine. It don't make sense. I just want to carry one. I'm straight. So what does your life look like now? What's like a typical day? Taking my kids to school. music, work.

I'm getting married in May. Oh, congratulations. Yeah, she dope. I'm enjoying life. Like, I'm giving it my best instead of trying to worry about what people think. I don't care about, but nobody think now. I don't even want to be around people.

I didn't learn solace in myself. Like, I've learned so much about me over the years in prison. I documented everything while I was in prison. I got video footage of me in the cell looking like a stick pen from doing drugs from stressing. Head big is above for the body little. Now I'm healthy again, but in there you see the reality of what people going through. But you look good, you're healthy, boy, you lost out of their weight. Boy, I'm in her hat.

And ain't eaten because this shit tastes like horseshit. People don't mind. People don't even know what people go through there. To me, my mental state was attacked in prison. I wasn't worried about no physical, nothing else. I got close to God. It wasn't even, I just knew I wouldn't come back. I don't want to reach out.

I don't want to ask for nothing. I don't want to have people think I need them on. I don't want to do nothing. I just want to be happy. Give my best to my family. I don't care about friends. I like taking my son's school, my stepson in school. It's a little thing.

Yeah, all the mums get to look at Ooh Yeah, they got all that right now Yeah It's just normal Just being normal People overlook simple shit like that But you got some guys in there

That ain't even thinking about that They plot down to come out here and build some bullshit Yeah What do you think it's the biggest life lesson People should take away from your story And live and live choose to understand people allow people

to be who they are without judgment don't really be mad at me for being like genuinely me not mad as you've been we might have differences true enough but it's those differences that people can't live with or allow people to have that causes so much friction

too many opinions I ain't got them no more I speak my mind about things, but it's not to the point where I'm emotionally struck with it. It's just my mouth. Once I get it out, it's over. I've learned that to express it out. Once you get something out, you ain't got to hold on to it no more.

You've let it go. It's out in the world now. But holding it in, it's the most dangerous shit you can never do. You can ask any of my brothers. Any nigga to see me in prison, ah, that nigga is going to cry. And he's the toughest motherfucker around her. I tore up in a minute.

And my nigga better not say nothing to me while I'm on the phone crying. Leave my bitch ass alone right now. So it's like, and then let people be. Like, choose to want to understand life. Choose to just focus on you. You can't give people what you ain't got.

You got to put yourself first. Because as long as you try to help, people are going to take. It's human nature. Greed. you're just going to take. I don't care about reaching back, telling me,

ask you, and make sure you got it. But if you make sure you got it and say no or discipline yourself to not be so accessible, then you'll have it. Very well sad.

Yeah. Now tell us about your music, what you have going on now for you and whatnot. I'm Edson Capo. I got an album working on called Big Member, producers, Chris Beats, drummer boy,

Paper Route 2 C's. That's my guy, I'm my brodie. They are a PRE. I don't know if you're familiar with you familiar YonDolph. Yeah, of course. His record label. Okay. He's on their team.

So they put in a lot of effort in a new sound for me. So I'm really, all I'm doing now is like building content. Instagram, all across platforms, I'm just content. It a catch file. If it don't, if it do. See what sticks. It's my fun. It's my peace.

And I'm getting paid for it. Whether you like it or don't like it. I get paid for it. For you to not like it, you have to do it. Yeah. Ciching. No such thing as, you know, a bad hater. You need them.

You still got me paid. So, just moving around. Just living, like, taking trips. You lose seven years. I ain't trying to get none of it back. I just want the rest of it that I got. And the life ahead. of you is, you know, more than, yeah, more than what you already put behind you.

Oh, yeah, I'm going to pop. I'm having a ball, I know. And my album's fun. Like, my music is fun. I'm working on a country. I single with an artist named Shelchino here in Nashville. It's just fun. It's a free check.

They're going to catch foul on it. We ain't. But we did it. And they can always go back and replay it. So just moving around. Like, I'm focused on being wealthy, protecting my family and my kids. That's about it.

It's good to have that passion, you know, that vision. That keeps you grounded, keeps you on track. Right. And if a lot of people do that, I ain't going to say it make a world a better place. But it doesn't make a big difference. A big one. But a lot of people just going to have problems.

I just refuse to give that much energy to problem. Let it be. If you let a candle burn out. I mean, if you let a candle just keep burning, eventually it burns out. You can blow it out. But one thing about blowing it out, it can be relit. Let it just burn out.

Well said. Capo, thank you so much, man, for sitting down with me today. Thanks to Kit for connecting us. We have all the links to all your stuff you got going on in the buy. and yeah it was a pleasure man it was fascinating hearing about the penitentiary from your perspective appreciate you bro