Locked In with Ian Bick - How To Smuggle Contraband Into Jail With Balloons | Chad Harlan

Episode Date: December 7, 2023

Chad Harlan is on the show to share his story of growing up in Jersey Shore, going down a bad path, learning how to smuggle contraband into jail and how he was ultimately able to turn it all around and create a new life for himself. Follow Ian Bick on Instagram: @ian_bick & Snapchat: ianbick Buy Merch: https://lockedinbrand.com Use code lockedin at checkout to get 20% off your order Connect with Ian Bick: https://www.ianbick.com Connect with Chad Harlan: Ticktok @legendzonly_ Twitter @legendzonly_ IG @legendzonly_ Timestamps: 00:00:00 - Intro 00:01:34 - Introducing Chad Harland 00:03:24 - Trouble in a Beach Town 00:05:22 - Meeting my Father and Family History 00:07:04 - Wild Life of the Party 00:08:48 - Selling in Harlem 00:10:27 - From High School Booted to the Streets 00:12:09 - My Relationship with My Mother 00:13:44 - First Arrest 00:15:31 - The Rise and Fall 00:19:13 - The Rise of the Epidemic 00:22:27 - A Hazy Taco Adventure 00:25:58 - Life in County 00:27:35 - Smuggling l 00:29:14 - Reflections on Past Chaos 00:30:56 - Helping Others through Community Work 00:32:39 - The Cycle 00:34:31 - Living in Miami and Reflecting on Happiness 00:36:23 - Losing My Way 00:37:55 - A Turning Point 00:41:20 - Misconceptions 00:42:49 - The Dangers 00:44:24 - Words of Advice for Those Struggling 00:47:26 - Ballooning and Smuggling 00:48:52 - Acting and Career Goals 00:50:37 - The Housing Crisis and Personal Struggles Powered by Creative Evolution Studios https://creativeevolutionstudios.com Produced by: https://www.instagram.com/shanedanahy https://www.shanedanahy.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I mean, it's putting it in a balloon. Like a regular, like, water fountain balloon, like for the water balloons. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I tried a couple different ones, choke the couple times trying to get it down. Because there was a couple times, like, I had to go to court. So I'm like, all right, let me get this tobacco and shit ready. Vaseline, get it wet, make sure that's not too big so you don't choke and fucking swallow them. You know, the worst part is when it comes out, having to get the gloves and go through it.

So you swallow it and then you just poop it out? Yeah. Does it ever get stuck or it always comes out? It's always going to come out eventually. I think I've lost a bag once or twice. Welcome back to the Lockton with Ian Bick podcast. On today's episode, we have Chad Harlan here to explain how he used to smuggle in contraband into a county jail using balloons. Thank you guys so much to everyone who tagged me and their Spotify wrapped up last week.

It was absolutely amazing seeing all of you guys that were showing off how I was one of the top podcasts that they listened to. Whether you're in the top 1%, 5%, 10%, 20%, I owe you guys the world. We have grown so much in just 11 months. And to be a top podcast on Spotify, it really is amazing. And it means the absolute world that you guys take time out of your day once a week or twice a week if you're listening and watching both episodes to tune into this show. So excited for this next upcoming year. We have a lot of big things in the works. I was just with Chevy Chase and Sylvester Stallone.

this weekend in Philly, got some exciting events I'm going to in the coming weeks, and, you know, hopefully we keep networking and keep getting some really big guess that we have in the works for 2024. Also want to give a huge shout out to Spotify for allowing us to now have video on all of our episodes. So if you are one of our Spotify listeners, you now have access to view the full video episodes in the app while you're watching the show. Thank you guys again from the bottom of my heart. We're really making a lot of changes in this world because of the show and we're helping a lot of people. Sit back, relax, and get ready to lock in with Chad Harlan. Chad, welcome to Locked in, man. Pleasure to have you today. I'm here. Thank you. Thank you for the

invite. Of course, man. Just got the whole play-by-play of how you came on the show. Shout out to your brother. Shout out Duncan. Let's go. Here we are. Awesome, man. So where are you from? Where'd you grow up? What's like early childhood like? Jersey Shore, like the real Jersey Shore, none of that, the funny MTV situation snooky shit. Like, Belmar, Esbury Park, Neptune, you know, Monmouth County, Jersey Shore on the beach. Small towns, all towns like one mile by one mile on police force. Grew up with a bunch of kids that I've known my whole life, you know what I mean? I take that for advantage because I don't realize people don't have the same friends.

for 20, 30 years. Like, all the kids I'm friends with now, I've been friends with since the sandbox. Like, I've known in my whole life. So it was pretty crazy. Um, live with my mom, my grandma, you know, not poor, not rich, you know, middle class. Grew up causing trouble chaos.

Like, so it's a beach town. Benny's come down in the summer. Um, had fun doing that. running around with them, we'd end up on their porches, stealing kegs, drinking with them. And then it would get to the point where, as we got older, we're walking around, just, like, causing trouble, fighting with them. Like, that was the thing. Like, who could knock out the most bennies in a weekend or during the week, snatching chains,

like, dumb shit. Go into DJs, pulling their girls. bringing them back to our house, getting them all coked up for the weekend, dogging them out, and sending them back to their boyfriends. A lot of chaos, running around. Do you think if you had a father figure,

you wouldn't have gotten involved into this? So that's one thing I noticed early on, like my whole group of friends. Like, none of us had father figures. So, like, we connected with each other and then the streets. It's very possible. I don't know.

Maybe. I don't think I was running away from anything. I just, you know, I think we enjoyed having fun. And that's how we found ways to have fun. It was, you know, out there drinking, smoking pot. It was good time. Where was your dad? Did you ever meet him?

So shit, that's pretty wild, too. So my grandparents must have, I think they owned a bar in Belmar. back the day before I was born, my father, my mom must have been his sidepiece. So he was married and had kids. And then she must have got knocked up, kept the baby. Here I am. I don't know much about what's going on. My mom didn't really talk about it.

And then we moved to Spring Lake Heights, they're all little towns, but it's only two towns over. So I ended up going to school with my brother that's in the same grade. So she had to like break it all down to me. Like this was happening, got introduced to him, met everybody else. My father came around a couple times. I mean, how old am I now at this point? Fifth, sixth grade, probably 12, 13 years old when I finally meet him. So it was a little weird.

But I was like, all right, let me give this dude a chance, hanging out with him. Then start drinking a smoking pot with him. a couple times I hung out with him, but he was a super good dude. People loved him. Stevie Wonder was his nickname. I guess he used to hang out with Bruce a lot. It was his boy. So I have that whole estranged side of the family.

Everybody's cordial, very nice, but we don't speak much. You know who you look like? Who do I look like? Logic. Logic. You had him on here. People tell me that I look like logic, but you really look like, you have like the facial features and the glasses. Do you get that at all?

I don't. I've rapped better than him now. Yeah, you look like logic. And then Shane, our video guy, said you look like McElmore, too. Maclemore. Maclemore, Logic. A rap better than both of them. And you got the voice kind of, too, a little bit.

Yeah, that was, music was always big in my life, too. You know, growing up, listening to hip-hop, rapping on the corners and the porches. Always played a big part of my life. did sports, basketball, football, surfing, but I was always more worried about hanging out with my friends or what I was going to miss out on. How would your friends describe you back then if we had them here today?

If we had like your best friend from high school here, RIP to all three of them. They all passed? Yeah. Oh, man. Three kids I was probably closest to with me every day in my life. From drugs? Yeah.

Andrew Dane, Tyler, Sylvester. Karin Tillman and Karam. Sorry, I don't know your middle name for Arab, aka Bones. Yeah. I mean, a loose cannon, you know, wild. Life of the party, you know, just wanted to have fun and enjoy myself. But, you know, wanted to be left alone. Wanted no drama.

But if drama came for us, I was the first one that set it off. You were down for the cause. Yeah, absolutely. Did you use drugs with those friends? All of them, yeah. So do you ever feel bad or do you ever reflect that, They passed and not you? I think about that shit all the time.

Like, it really does bother me. That's got to fuck with you, right? Yeah, it really does. I guess, like, regular shit growing up, smoking weed, drinking beer, ecstasy, a little cocaine. I don't know if it's regular. It was regular to us. It's, like, 15, 16 years old. And where we live, so it's, like, you got Belmar, then you got, like, Seeger,

Manusquine, got all these towns that are a little higher class, wall township, with kids that were scared to go and cop. So it's always a quick way to make some money. We ended up with a connect at like 15 years old on Riverview Drive in Harlem for like ounces of airy for $50. When we first start going up there, these projects, probably 20 floors, you walk up to the seven floor,

never take the elevator. always the stairs, got to take the stairs. And you just walk in. A little note on the bed. Don't sit on the bed. Sometimes there's other people sitting in there. Sometimes there's not. You wait there about five minutes.

Tony would come in, what you need. Do, do, do, do. Leave. Come back, take the meat scale off the fridge, weigh everything out in front of you. You'd pay them. And then you'd be on your way. But we were so young, he would get on his walkie talk.

and he would walk us downstairs. And wherever you drive, you know, those projects right there? It's like right. Jersey? No, so this is Harlem. Right where the G-dub is. Not a city boy, really. So he would walk us downstairs.

A car would pull up. Our car would get behind it. It would stop. We had all the weeds stuffed in basketballs. Pop the engine. Put the weed in the engine and the basketball. Bust the left right on the G-dub. Back home.

And we're selling those for like $200 and getting for $50. We're getting, we're making a lot of money. It was pretty fucking wild. And then the Coke gets involved, $20 to a gram, getting ounces. I think there was like eight something coming back, making two racks off that. So we always wanted to keep the party going. It was never about, like, we weren't like focused on making a lot of money. Like, we should have been a lot smarter.

We were worried about having fun and, like, fucking bitches. Yeah, I mean, what teenage guy doesn't want to do that? That's what we wanted to do. Do you end up graduating high school? I did. Do you go to college? No college. Straight to the streets.

Straight to the streets. I was sorry. I was booted out of high school. Wall high school. Fuck that school. So back then, like, you know, I'm coming in freshman year. goggles on my head size 40 pants

what do you mean goggles so like the ski goggles why are you wearing goggles that was the thing that was the style like DMX Jada kiss like this is what they were rocking rough riders oh man yeah it was crazy like I look at pictures back then with these size 40 and 5 double X XTs white T's like it was it looks so wild

but so people are looking at me like who the fuck is this kid son and I just went in with a bad attitude would fight and talking shit. So I got booted, and I went to, like, one of those special alternative schools. Oakwood, shout out them. That was a great school. Teachers were a blessing. So my diploma says, well, high school, but are they really participate in high school?

You know, we're smoking cigarettes at Oakwood, you know, sitting with the teachers. Did you have aspirations at all? Or were you just trying to, like, get through each day? I mean, so I thought it was going to be a famous rapper. And I was like, you know, that was the goal. That's what's going to happen. besides that, not really, you know, just wanted to make it to the next day. Get some bread, have some nice Nike's on, and a pretty chick on my side.

How was your relationship with your mother after high school? My mother was my number one. People always had a lot of potential and probably let the drugs get in the way. It wasn't very focused. I just wanted to focus. But she always held me down no matter how much. much stress I caused on her or how much chaos I brought to the house. She always helped me down, you know, locked up, commissary, halfway houses, putting my phone

in the coffee sending it into me. She was my number one. She was big reason of why I ended up getting clean because, let's rewind a little bit before we get there because we'll explain all that and then how that happened. So I guess we'll You want to get into how Would you say all of your addiction Or would you say all of your arrests were caused from addiction

They had something to do with it But even if it was like drinking in public Or like yeah If I'd see alcohol was involved There was always a substance Yeah there was always a substance involved You know with me not making a right decision Now I was reading that you've been arrested like over 50 times

Oh it's like 52 times yeah Dude that's insane Are they all felonies? No, no, no. Most of them are like petty bullshit. And there was some serious shit that got dropped. Yeah, my lawyer, every time we meet someone new, he was like, how many times you've been arrested?

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Like actually arrested? Like handcuffed? Sent to jail, maybe. Well, youth house. Okay. So some kids on the beach. I walked up to the Dunkin' Donuts. They were counting money, just snatched it, mushed them, walked away.

We went, found a barbed by some alcohol. We got a dub. Went to the woods, smoked it. Let's not go back to the beach, guys. They're like, I'm going back to the beach. Walk back up to the beach. Cops hop out. It was like a prosecutor's son and like a chief of police that's not from up north somewhere.

Straight to the youth house. Wow. So when does your addiction really get bad? So that gets bad. No, you know, no problem. I mean, I guess there was a problem because I'm getting arrested all these times for drinking, but I didn't think there was an issue. I'm making decent money, selling the weed and the Coke party,

and now my plug. I had a plug down in town for the Coke. Was a little more expensive, but I didn't have to take the ride to the city for it. he kept trying to give me heroin. And I'm like, I don't know anybody that does that. Like, I don't want no parts to that. Like, you know, like one person that does that. Like, I'm not fucking with that.

So he's always in the back of my ear. You know, let me drop you this off. Da-da-da-da-da. Kid calls me one day. He's like, I'm super dope sick. I know you could get me something. Please. I'm like, all right, one time I'll make a call.

I don't know what's going to have. I make the call. I'm like, he's at my crib of five minutes. Drops here. Do this, this. You owe me this. Rest is yours. I'm like, all right.

Kid comes over. I serve him. Two days later, someone else comes over. All of a sudden, I'm out of everything he gave me, and I'm looking at the money. I'm like, oh, there's money in this shit. So blow up. blow up off of it.

When I say blow up, you know what? I'm making, you know, $2,500 a day. Like, I was never nothing. Great money. Nothing. Yeah, but you know what I mean? People would come out here. I was selling fucking pounds.

I was picking up a parallel at a time, you know, a couple of ounces, you know. I did get up to like 25 bricks of heroin at one time. But so by doing that, having it on me all the time, making the extra money, I'm sniffing more of the cocaine that I have because I can replace it with the money that I'm making from the dope. You ever done drugs? You ever done any cocaine? Never, no. I have friends that do coke.

So, yeah, it's a fun party drug, but then you do too much. Like, you start getting this cocaine psychosis. And I would bug out. I'd be on the roof with a pistol, talking about the feds are coming, freaking out, waving it around. And my boys used to laugh at me And be like, yo, you get high I start looking for the police.

What's wrong with you? I'm like, shot the fuck out. So like, I'm all geeked out one night. A bunch of people over there's some, we have some bitches coming over. And they're like, dog, you got to chill out. Like, you're going to scare these girls. Like, and then my boy pulls me inside.

He's like, do one of those bags you got. I'm like, no, fuck that. He was like, you got to chill out. You'll chill out. You'll come down. You'll be relaxed. So after going back and forth, I'm like, hi, fuck it. Snip real bag.

Instant. J mode. Feel great. Not geeking out from the Coke anymore. Great night. End up laid up with something pretty. I wake up in the morning. I'm like, oh, that wasn't that thought.

Right? So now, every time I'm doing too much cocaine and I get like that, I'm sniffing a bag. back dope. That goes on probably like two weeks. I will never forget this day. I wake up Saturday morning. I don't feel right. That's something wrong. I'm sick? I call one of my friends up. He's like, oh, he's like, you got a chippy. I'm like a chippy. What the fuck's a chippy? He's like, you're dope sick. I'm like, oh, get the fuck out of here. He's like, he's like, bag see what happens sniff bag boom hot got my hiya on i'm ready to go for the day did if i knew where it was going to take me jesus so what is being dope sick exactly as a former addict like yourself

break down what it is and what the feeling is so everybody experiences it differently i mean you're crawling out of your skin you can't keep nothing down you're hot and cold can't sleep sweating fluids coming out of both ends and it's basically like COVID after having COVID

I'm like oh this is nothing it's like being doping this shit that's just light it's exactly what it's like it's like having COVID but you know you can sniff a little bag and it's going to go away but that's with real heroin like the game's fucked up now with this trink and fat and all.

Like, it does completely different things that last longer. It's so fucked up. When you were doing dope back then, were you worried about fentanyl at all? Or is this a different? Not at first. The first five years, it was straight heroin. Where did fentanyl come from? How did this become this big, you know, epidemic?

I mean, how did heroin become the epidemic? The government was these pills and shit. We'll get into that. So basically, I would assume to make the heroin, you know, it takes land, they got to grow it, they got to process it, all takes time and money. This fentanyl's made in a lab. They just fucking got some scientists, fucking a lab coat,

fucking mixing some shit together, poof. So people, I don't know if it's the cartels, whoever the fuck realized this is a lot cheaper and a lot quicker, get a return on our money. I think that's how it would happen. That wouldn't make sense to me. So they're doing it for cost purposes?

Cost and time. But it's also... You've got to grow the poppy plants to process them. Fetanol is deadlier than... Absolutely. Yeah. Way deadlier. Like, I mean, I guess people always OD'd off of heroin, but not like...

To the point where they're dying? Yeah. What about cocaine? Like, I know people can die from a cocaine overdose with fentanyl-laced in it. But that's... That's if there's, yeah, anything that fentanyl's touching, you could die from. I mean, I shot so much cocaine. So will straight up Coke kill you?

I guess you got a bad heart or, like, you do some dumb shit, but, I mean, I shot a lot of cocaine. Yeah, that's what I've been curious about lately. Like, there's a lot of people that come on from back in the day, the era you're talking about. And they did a lot of drugs. Yeah. And it just makes you wonder how the people now are dying. And I guess that's when fentanyl comes into play. Because it's, I think it's because, you know, everything is man-made bullshit now.

Like, at least when it was coming from a plant, it probably had some medicinal purpose at some point over the fucking years. And then when you start tinkering with that shit, it's just not the same effects. You know, it's going to do different shit to people's bodies. All right. So give me your craziest, like all-time craziest story, whether it's getting arrested or as an addict. or an overdose anything, whatever your top, like, highlight was. There's so many. I mean, the first one that comes to mind that most people know about and laugh about a lot.

I'm at the crib. I got, like, 100 Xanax. I'm doing all types of shit to the Xanax. I'm sniffing them. I'm trying to shoot them. They're not water soluble. You can't even shoot them. I'm trying to shoot them.

I'm eating them. I'm shooting Coke. I'm shooting bags. I'm all whacked out. You do Xanax. You go to Janix. You go to Janiable. jail. Anytime I done Xanax, I pretty much went to jail.

I woke up with a green sheet. I don't hope I didn't kill somebody. You're like, fuck. So I'm all whacked out of my brain. My bullet pulls up. He wanted to go grab something. We go grab something. We come back. We're chilling at the crib. And Zanix gives you the munchies.

Zanx wants to overpowered everything at this point. I'm fucking starving. I go to this little Mexican bodega across from the elementary school in Belmar. I just wanted some tacos. I don't know how I looked or what was going on, but I'm trying to communicate to the lady. Like, I need some tacos.

And she's looking at me like I'm crazy, and I see the guy in the back, and it doesn't look like he's making tacos. So I walked back there, and I start cooking the taco. I'm like, I want tacos. Like, what the fuck is this? She comes back with the broom.

She's like, ah, yeah, I hit me with the broom. And then as I'm walking past the register, I look down, and I see a cigar box. I lost that like $800 in my pocket And I look in it and there's a $50 bill in the cigar box So I fucking take it Pay for the tacos with it And then she's hit me with the room again to get out

So a lot of it, I don't remember all of this very clearly It went something like that I leave, go back to the crib Cops pull up I'd been into the house twice now So my mom thinks I, my mom knows I left Doesn't know I came back to the crib. She just got out of shower.

She opens the door in her towel. She's like, where's Chad? It's wall cops. All police are the biggest scumbags in the fucking world. Fuck them. Fuck you guys. For real. So she's like, he's not here.

I was like, so in my room there's like this closet and it went into like a crawl space. So I'm trying to hide in there. And I fucking fall through. through the ceiling, down the stairs, right to the police. They're like, oh, they arrest my mother for lying, arrest me. It was on the radio station down on the shore, the rat radio. It's like classic rock.

It was like dummy of the week. That was pretty fucking dumb and retarded. But that's one thing that happened. And the craziest, no, but one thing that people bring. up a lot. Like, you don't remember that shit. And I'm in the county. I'm listening to it on the radio. I'm like, this fucking bullshit.

He's just dumb-ass tacos on a $50 bill. I wasn't even paying attention. What was it like your longest jailer prison sentence? So no prison. Shout out Alex. Alex Decebo. That's my lawyer. That's my lawyer. He's a good friend of mine.

I met him in a sober house about 12 years ago. He's got a crazy story. Send him our way, man. Absolutely. Absolutely. A guy was running for city council, you know, about to be partners in his law firm,

gets caught with hookers and crack. Loses everything. Goes to like a million dollars. The story so you could tell you about this shit he did with spending his money. But he turned it all around. He owns some sober houses now. And he's helped me out a lot,

and he's kept me out of prison many times. But, yeah, so no prison. Hella County bids. What's like a longest county? So, I mean, unless you're fighting something, 364 is the most you can be sentenced to in the county. Is that the same here? I don't know.

I've never really been to county jails. Yeah, just the feds, aren't the big boys? Just the feds. I heard county jails sucks. So most, so I haven't been to a lot of county jails. So I've never been to prison. People in the county always tell me that, you know, prisons better. Monmouth County was pretty, used to be pretty fucking chill.

Like, it was laid back. They got microwaves on every pod for three flat screens, a basketball court right there connected to the day space and a wait room. What would guys be in county jail for? What are some of the charges? If anything for a drug charge to a DWI or, you know, they're fighting a murder case. Now in county jails, are there politics at all? People checking paperwork or they doing anything like that or is it not ran like that? It's not really ran the same.

So they separate the gangs. They'll all be on max. You'll have the blood tier, the crypt tier. They try to keep them separate. The cops will tell you if there's a kitty toucher. They'll let you know, and we'll just get rid of them. But no, like, super politics. First time, I remember the first time I went in, did a bid at 18.

I was hanging out with a bunch of black dudes. And there were some white guys that came out to me. They were like, what are you doing? Do, do, do, do. I'm just chilling. I'm not looking at any of that. And I had no idea. So I guess maybe like some old school cats try to do that,

but it's really not run like that in the county jail. It's pretty soft. You know, but I used to bring a lot of weed in there. You would bring weed into the county jail? Yeah, absolutely. How do you get weed into the county jail? So the way they're processing used to be set up. Now they got this dumb-ass metal detector that thinks like an x-ray machine,

but it's only checking metal. But if you had it like in the sole of your... I had it mapped out after going there so many times. If you had like the butt in the sole of your shoe, you go into like tank one. Then you go, get changed up, go to tank two. So if you stash your shit in tank one, go get changed and then go to tank two

and tell the CEO, oh, I left my paperwork in tank one. Like, if I already searched you, you go back in the tank one, and grab your shit, tuck it, and then bring it upstairs. And I know the whole wing smelling like Cali. So you had this all planned out? Never, like I never had getting locked up planned out, but I would keep, you know, I half ounce sold my shoe a lot.

I mean, I used to keep Suboxin fucking boofed in case I got locked up so I didn't get sick. What was it like detoxing while you were in these county jails? Because if you were an addict the whole time, it must have been rough. Yeah. So, you know, the first seven years of. county time there's no heroin i didn't start doing heroin so i was 23 is when that started so i didn't have to worry about then but then when i first start going yeah it's awful but there's this is how i know it's mind over matter in the situation like obviously there's physical effects but when you know

you're in the county and like you can't cop and you got to go through it like it's not as bad you just like suck it up and deal with it you know you lay in bed for three days fucking throw up on yourself don't eat anything. It's easier said to than done though. I've seen some guys trying to sober up in jail or prison and it's rough. Yeah. Yeah, it sucks, but, you know, it's three days just laid in and then you suck it up, you're still showered, and then you're all right. You're not going to sleep for six months. That's the worst part, being locked up, not being able to sleep, just laying there all night. Did you have any support system while you were going in and out of jail? Yeah, my boys, my mom, you know, my girl, whoever it was at the time. You've always been a

player, huh? I mean, yeah, I guess a little bit. I'm married now. You're married now? Okay. Kids? We're not married, but, you know, I got the love of my life where you have kids, you know, we will be married one day, you know.

That's all. How old do you know? Just 40. You're 40. 40. So how long did your chaos go on for? How many years of your life? Jesus.

13, 14 to, like, three years clean, 38? So do you ever look back and think about those? years being wasted? Or do you not look at it that way? I don't look at it that way because, you know, like, if you look at, like, the word education, where it derives from the Latin word and dukata, which means learning from life's experiences. It's got nothing to do with fucking formal education, going to college.

It's about learning about what the shit you've been through. And, you know, my goal is the overall. open sober houses and, you know, reach out the people that are struggling and help them get it right. I do a lot of community work these days. I've done coat drives. I work with a community health center. And, you know, through that all experience, all the experience I have and been through, I'm helping people now. And I've been to so many different programs and rehabs. And not someone that, not to say that's someone that goes to college and doesn't have any of these experiences and gets into the field of addiction can't help anybody.

But most of the time when I was talking to someone that just had a degree on the wall, I'd never been through shit. Like, I didn't listen to them. Well, I'm going to let you don't know what I've been through. Like, I'm not listening to you because you read some shit in a book. Yeah, I mean, that's why what is a peer recovery is so important. And I got to experience that in Arkansas when I went, just seeing what the work they're doing. because you can work better with people that have lived experience

on the road to the recovery. I think it's a great program that they're running a great concept. I know it's like a fairly new concept, but it's awesome. It is. I agree. A lot of good work being done. Not more work to do, but... Absolutely.

Now, someone that was using for almost what, well, you'd save to say 20 years of your life. Yeah. How do you finally, or what finally kicks in mentally to get, clean. So in the back of my head, I always thought, if I had enough money to never run out of drugs, I'd be happy. I don't know. That's what I thought. And at this time, I had experienced, I had pulled together like 11 months and then went back out. So I had some time sober. And, you know, during that time, life was good.

I start running call centers, we'll say, for some less than ethical people, back and forth to Miami. So I experienced being sober, but then when I went back, so I go back out, forget about all that. But in the back of my mind, it's always there. That, you know, there is that good life,

even though I'm just worried about getting high all the time, and I just want to have enough money to get high all the time. But I get put on drug court. No parts of drug court. I just wanted to get out of the county. I'll sign wherever the hell you want me to sign. Put me on drug court. I move into my lawyer, Alex's sober house.

And I'm trying to like dip and dod, dabble, get high, doing all types of fucking dumbass, whack shit. Like I would pull up to the courthouse. They'd have a morning session and an afternoon session. I'd pull up to the morning. session, take a registered piss cup out of the garbage can. So now when I went to court, I would do the switch and then pissing it and then show the officer. It was already registered. Do that, dump on them. I end up getting caught dumping on them. I go to the county for a couple

days. They release me. And then I go on the run. Running around, first I'm running around in Moms County and then it gets hot. So I go to Norke. I'm in Norc for like four months. And then I get tired of Norke and I head down to Miami. Out there, all South Florida, just running around. I've been going back and forth to Florida for 20 years.

I moved out there with a girl when I was 18. I have friends that lived down there. So I'm down there. And I don't know. And at this point, like, I had a large sum of money. and I'm basically living what I thought would make me happy being able to get high every day

and I was fucking miserable I was so miserable I missed my family I missed my kids and it was so wild out there I was fucking thought I was in GTA running around with the Haitians I can't believe I survived that shit

fuck so I come Come home and I'm like, all right, how's the best way to maneuver this? I'm in the island run for about two years now. What's the best way to maneuver this? Call Alex and come out of a game plan. I go to Integrity House. I'm like, all right, I'm going to complete a program,

a long-term program, then turn myself in. COVID hits. It's fucking madness at these places. There's no staff. stories about that shit too like no staff for four months all the COVID's going on but during this time my mom gets sick she had got skin cancer she was on treatment thought everything was all right and she she smuggled my phone to me I'm texting her and her texts are like super off one day something like there was something wrong I hit some of my boys I hit my girl

I'm like, someone's got to go check our mama Jane. Like, something's not right. They go, and the cancer had spread to her brain. So they tell me, like, yeah, like, there's something wrong. So I come home. At this point, once they can spread her brain, it took her out in, like, two weeks. So it takes her out. We have her funeral.

I'm, like, super depressed. I thought I was like on the road to do the right thing. I was going to turn myself in, complete this program. That happens. I start getting high again. I'm not, I'm just copping and going to bed. And I don't think I talked to anybody for three months. My girl knew, but I just get high and lay there.

But I still, I mean, I was still, you know, I had to do a couple sales here and there and make some money to continue to do what I was due. A kid must have got caught up doing some dumb shit. Brought the sheriff to my house. I served him. I followed him outside. As he's walking to the car,

the dumb-ass sheriffs that brought him there, run down on him. I see this. Take off. Pium! I'm on my Jason Bourne shit. I'm on Pete and Elvis' roof. Running through chicken fucking coops.

It's fucking get away. So now I can't go back home. I don't want my girl to get charged with harboring and fugitive. My number one's gone. I'm like, I'm like, what the fuck? And the back of my head, I'm remembering.

how great I felt when I was sober. I've experienced having this money and being miserable. And I did something I'd never done in my life. I was like, fuck it. I went to the county jail, picked up the bail phone, and I was like, I'm here, tapped out. They come get me, process me. I call my lawyer.

I'm like, I'm done. It's over with. Just send me to prison. Let me get this shit over with. And he's like, no. He's like, take july. drug court again. Don't go to prison. You're just going to come home and get

high. He's like, you need to change your life. I'm like, all right, I'll think about it. And now I'm sitting there, like, you know, getting sober again, I kick. I'm going through all the emotions and my mom's gone. I just wasted a bunch of money. I've been gone for so long.

And like, something internally just clicked. I was like, I'm not doing this shit no more. I was like, I'm getting out of here. I'll take drug court if they accept me and then do everything they asked me to do and I'm going to I knew from that point I was like I'm going to use what I've been through to try to help people not have to go through the same thing or not have to suffer as long so drug court accepts me back I do everything they asked me to do I jump through all the hoops and drug court sucks in the beginning there's a lot of you know there's a lot

of shit you got to do you know people say it's worse than ISP you but think ISP is worse because you're coming from prison but I think there's more hoops in drug court and people say it's a setup it's really not a setup like if you want to change your life and you want to get sober the program will help you do it they're not out to get you you signed up this is what you need to do and it really it saved my life you know shot out Kyle supervisor he's a good dude it you know with that being on that program for whatever it was two and a half years you know helped me stay focused

if there was any times that I thought about slipping I knew I was never going back to jail because my last county used to never bother me that last bit I did when I turned myself in that shit was rough it was different

unfortunately I hate to say it but like jails for like young boys like I'm over that shit like yeah and so you know that's what I did I did that and I just been on the mission

to you know try to help suffering addicts every day. And I still, I know I do the music, you know, my partner, Mickey, that's out in the room, you know, on the Rocks Entertainment, I'm doing a show tonight. What kind of show, like a rap show? Yeah, it's like a hip-hop show. Oh, that's cool.

What's like your rap name? Tony Do. Tony Do? Tony Do. Tony Do. How do you spell Do, D-O? D-E-E-W. D-E-W.

T-O-N-Y-D-E-E-W. Where do you get that name from? Backwards. It's weed-wide. not. So do you think that trauma leads to addiction, but it could also help a traumatic experience could also trigger then someone to get clean? I agree with that statement.

I don't necessarily know if there was any trauma in my life that led me to the addiction. But people would say, like, you grew up with your father and that happened. That's traumatic in a way. Is it? Like, I mean, maybe, I guess it is. It's an unstable house. told maybe. Yeah, but I mean, I didn't look at it.

Like, it didn't really bother me. Maybe, like, deep down the side, like, somewhere like it did. But, like, maybe you don't know it affected you at the time. That could be it. But, yeah, but your statement's definitely true. Like, I used to argue with the counselors. Like, it wasn't touched. Like, nothing happened to me where, like, I ran to drugs.

Like, I tried one drug. I liked it. I tried another drug. I liked it. And then it just kept going. I hate that shit when they say, like, marijuana. is like a gateway drug. Marijuana's not a,

it's not a fucking gateway drug. The only gateway is like if you're smoking weed, you might end up around some people that are doing other drugs. But you don't smoke a joint and then say, I don't want to go smoke crack now. Like, it's not how it works. You might be around some other people

that have other drugs. You might try it. But you know what I mean? When they say, like, marijuana is, I don't buy that shit. What are some of the biggest, like, misconceptions about addiction that people who have never been addicted

before misconceived? that it's a fucking disease like I and I used to not think that too but like and if you have a hard time thinking of it that way like when you do drugs are you in dis-ease of yourself you are like it really is like you know people that are addicts they don't most of the time at some point they don't even want to be doing what they're doing anymore but they don't know how to stop or they can't stop they don't want to be sick and they still have to go to work they still have to raise their kids and they don't have to raise their kids and they There's something to do everything they have to do. They can't just time out and fucking lay their fucking two weeks or however long it's going to be now with the fentanyl. The fentanyl and trank is super different. That shit. The trink is giving people their own psychosis.

It's opening wounds. It's a fucking bowl tranquilizer. Yeah, I saw someone that we just had from Philly the other day. It was showing us pictures of what it's doing to people's skin and shit. Yeah, it doesn't matter if you shoot it, sniff it's smokett. It will do that. Why are people doing this? I mean, they just want to get high.

They're not like... And is it easier to access? There's no heroin anymore. You do some drug tests. Heroin, opiates are not popping up. You've got dipsticks, fat and all and trink. And they're putting a trink in the Coke. They're putting in the weed.

I don't know who's doing it. But it's just killing people. What are... Do you ever have temptations to use again? and how do you kind of fight off those temptations? So with the opiates, no. And then drinking, no. Because, like, I know I could probably have, like, two beers.

I might be able to do that for a year. I might be able to do that for two years. But eventually, I'm going to maybe have two beers and a shot. If I get too tipsy, I'm going to end up on a block, smoking, crack, shooting dope. You know what I mean? Like, that's what's going to happen. So I know, like, drinking will always lead me there. The opiates, not at all.

Like after everything I've been through, after all the people I've buried. Like, I send my three best friends. But besides that, like, countless kids I grew up with dead, overdosed. Every, I hate the guy. I don't know. I'm scared to go on Facebook sometimes and look at it because you never know, like, what RIP are going to see next. Yeah. That's a reality of today's world.

All the time I'm on Facebook and I'm seeing friends from high school. people I knew. Someone's passing away every day. And a lot of it is drug use and substance use. What would you say to an individual that's using right now if you could offer some piece of advice to them if they're struggling to find help? Don't give up. You can do it. I know it sucks now. But, you know, just stay focused, you know, reach out to someone. I don't know why that helps so much. But like, you know, picking up the phone and talking to someone, people like don't think that works. That really works. I don't know where you're at.

Go to your local community health center. There's people that are care and we'll help you. You can always hit me up online too. I'll talk to you. You're feeling some type of way. Mr. Dewey. The real Tony Dooh. Facebook and IG.

For real, how that mean? I'll get you set up somewhere. Now, as someone that ended up in jail a lot of times because of your addiction, did the jail help you at all? Like, are these officers trying to help? help you overcome your addiction or is it just lock you away, throw you away the key and that's it? Yeah, that's all. I mean, some of the officers are cool. Some of them suck. But, like, there's no fucking, and there's no rehabilitation in jail. It's a fucking daycare. You know what I mean?

Like, you're not helping you get better. They've had to change with the times and start offering Suboxing. I know so many people are coming in dope sick. But, yeah, it's no rehabilitation. I just know you sit down. Get your weight up. And there could be other drugs in the jail, too. You know how much money you can make off of Suboxone in the jail? A lot. They were sending in the sheets of paper and what? $100 for an 8 milligram.

I'm so sick in the head. To this day, I'm like, I should just go do a two-week bid and bring in 50 with me. It would come out with 10 grand? If you had to do it now, how would you do it? Like, how would you get drugs into a jail? Is it that easy? Yeah, just swallow balloon them. You know what I mean?

That dumb ass $50,000 machine they have, like. Did you ever believe? You balloon drugs? Yeah. You ballooned a drug? Absolutely. Walk me through that process. You just, I mean, it's putting it in a balloon.

Like a regular, like, water fountain balloon, like for the water balloons. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I tried a couple different ones, choke the couple times trying to get it down. Because there was a couple times, like, I had to go to court for, like, municipal charges that I knew it was going to get 30 days, 90 days. So I'm like, all right, let me get this tobacco and shit ready. And, you know, just fucking Vaseline, get it wet, make sure that's not too big. you only choke and fucking swallow them. You know, the worst part is when it comes out,

having to fucking get the gloves and go through it and fucking, yeah. So is this considered keystering or no? Well, no, keyster, you know, would be... You're shoving it up. Yeah, tucking. So what is this process called? Ballooning, swallowing. So you swallow it and then you just poop it out?

Yeah. And the drugs are in the balloon. In the balloon. Does it ever get stuck or it always comes out? It's always going to come out eventually. I think I've lost a bag once or twice. And it just sits in your stomach forever? Well, no, it's going to come out eventually,

but it may not come out right away. And then, you know. So if you, say you go into jail on a Tuesday and you balloon it, right? And you swallow it, put it in. If you poop on Wednesday, is there a good chance that that's coming out? Absolutely. And you have to take through your poop? Yeah, you got to get some gloves from the CEO's desk and go through it, you know, put it out and reseparate it.

This is wild. It's fucking wild. It's fucking jailing. You figure out, you know, light and cigarettes with batteries. I'm sure you've seen that. Have you seen that, right? Yeah, of course. And guys will then smoke the drugs that have bent up your ass.

Absolutely. It is wild, right? It was like, what the fuck? And you make some good money, too. What's like the next five years look like for you? What's the future for Chad? The future is, you know, keep going with, you know, On the Rock's Entertainment. You know, me and Mickey also, we do this show. It's on Tube be called Bishop and Cheney. Shout out Milamita Mac. It's, we play undercover cops out of all things. I was reading that. Yeah. A cop, so you're an actor too. Yeah, I play a D.T. Cop.

They got a lot of dope stuff going on. Juicy, web series, Bishop and Cheney, way more place movie coming out. So, you know, I will love to be a villain in a Marvel movie and get Kanye to do a, produce my album. We got the same birthday, Kanye, holland your boy, June 8th, Gemini's. I don't think you want to be associated with Kanye right now. I love Kanye. Old Kanye. Yes.

Yes. I still got love for him. He needs some help. You holler at me. So you play this cop? Is this like a career? I mean, who knows? That would be great. So you got paid for it? Not yet. We're working on that. It was a YouTube series.

Tubey picked it up. We're doing season two. I guess after if they like season two is when a contract comes into play and they're like, yeah, give us five of these. And then boom, then we get some bread. Oh, bad. That's great, man. I would love to open a sober house too. Just because, like, I know there's so many people in jail and prison that don't have an address. And could get paroled or ISP and can't come home because it got nowhere to go. I would love to do, like, a sober house connected with the prison.

Interesting. Because that's, like, number one thing. Like, these people on the streets trying to get better, they can't get better if they have. know where to go. Like, you're sleeping on the street. Your whole survival is about probably nick and diamond, stealing this and that, getting someone something.

Like, you're stuck in that cycle. Like, until you could go somewhere and have your own space and work on getting your life together. Like, you know, so, like, and there's not enough of them. There's a housing crisis with just regular people trying to rent and buy houses.

Yeah. And people trying to get it together. that's another goal Soberhouse Married a girl Have a kid No more kids No more kids

No more kids No more kids No we're done with that Chad Thank you for coming on the show today man It's been a pleasure talking to you I wish you the best of luck At your show tonight

That's right And the future And you know keep being an advocate For those who have went through Or are going through What you've struggled with And have been able to overcome Absolutely I appreciate it

Thanks for having me on Absolutely Absolutely