Locked In with Ian Bick - I Escaped Prison — Here’s What Happened | Luis Espinoza

Episode Date: August 24, 2025

Luis Espinoza grew up in Waterbury, Connecticut, surrounded by crime, addiction, and chaos. With a mother in and out of jail, he dropped out of high school and started hanging around the wrong crowd. By 22, he was sentenced to 18 months in prison—but just three months in, Luis made a desperate move: he tried to escape. After being captured only hours later, he was forced to face the reality of life behind bars. In this episode, Luis opens up about his troubled childhood, his escape attempt, what prison was really like, and how he finally turned his life around after incarceration. #PrisonEscape #LifeAfterPrison #PrisonStories #PrisonEscapeStory #TrueCrimePodcast #PrisonLife #AddictionRecovery #redemptionstory Connect with Luis Espinoza on his instagram pages: @theknowledgegod @badshapeltd @saintsandsinnerstattoostudio Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Presented by Tyson 2.0 & Wooooo Energy: https://tyson20.com/ https://woooooenergy.com/ Use code LOCKEDIN for 20% OFF Wooooo Energy Buy Merch: http://www.ianbick.com/shop Timestamps: 00:00 Intro & Childhood Overview 02:00 Growing Up Through Chaos 12:00 Early Influences & Life Lessons 21:00 Teen Years 29:00 First Brush With the Law & Probation 36:00 Life Spirals 47:00 Adulthood: Fatherhood & Setbacks 01:00:00 Escalating Trouble & Prison Time 01:14:00 The Infamous Prison Escape 01:27:00 Consequences: Administrative Segregation 01:38:00 New Bonds & Prison Politics 01:47:00 Transformation & Preparing for Release 01:56:00 Back To Freedom & Life After Prison 02:03:00 Family Tragedy & Turning Point 02:07:00 Redemption, Routine & Reflection 02:10:00 Advice for the Next Generation & Closing Powered by: Just Media House : https://www.justmediahouse.com/ Creative direction, design, assets, support by FWRD: https://www.fwrd.co Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It's got the pieces of plastic that go in between the fence. Bro, I'm sliding down this thing. There's just like, dude, it's literally probably like eight or nine feet with razor wire. Louis Espinoza grew up in Waterbury, Connecticut, surrounded by chaos. With a mother in and out of jail battling addiction, Lewis dropped out of high school and fell into the streets. After years of trouble, he landed in prison for a third time at just 22 years old. But three months into a sentence, he made a life-changing decision.

He tried to escape. Captured just hours later, Lewis faced a reality of prison life. Today, he shares his unbelievable story of growing up in dysfunction, doing time, attempting a prison escape, and ultimately turning his life around. Lou, welcome to Lockton, man, a fellow Connecticut resident. Yes, sir. Thanks so much for reaching out and coming on the show, man. Yeah, no problem, man. I've been getting into podcasts and I peeped yours and I was like, ah, that seems like something I could do, you know?

Yeah. It's so cool how, like, accessible social media has made things. I mean, we're from Connecticut, never met each other. other until today. How old are you? You're 30 on 30, too. So we grew up in the generation before all this. So it's really cool, you know.

Yeah, like meeting a stranger like this would be frowned upon, you know, 15 years ago. Well, even to the degree where it's like, you know, just all the tech and stuff like that, how somebody could watch this once it's put up right from their phone. Like back in the day, I remember waiting for Power Rangers to come on. You know what I mean? So it's super cool. Yeah. And I always used to grow up like intimidated by YouTube.

I was like, yeah, I'd never be a U. YouTuber. Now here I am posting on YouTube and stuff. Yeah, it's sick. It's crazy how life works out. It's cool that people can build like a foundation off that and careers off of it, though. It blows my mind. It still blows my mind to this day. And I'm at the bottom of the barrel. There's like a whole bigger field out there. Right, right. So it's interesting to say. Where'd you grow up in Connecticut? So I was born and raised in Waterbury, Connecticut. St. Mary's Hospital. You know, I only had my mom in my life. My father was never. around. From there, I went to upstate New York for a while to live on my grandmother, because my mom actually did jail time. So I went from Waterbury to Upstate New York, was in Will Mantic

for a year, and then Bristol was like where I grew up, like, as like, pre-bubescent. You know what I mean? Like, that's where I made all my friends, you know, he's from Bristol. You know what I mean? But yeah, essentially just, you know, Connecticut 203, 860, I reside in both. That's why you're a Chris Webby fan. Huh? That's why you're a Chris Webby fan. Yeah, yeah, Chris Webby's awesome. I love Toad's Place.

I've always gone there. And, you know, I love all types of music. So, you know. Yeah, definitely got to check out that Chris Webby. Yeah, no, for sure. Chris Webby's a man, dude. You know, he's friends with a kid that I knew out in Southington, Jid on the track. Yeah, I both.

Jedi, yeah, Jetta's really cool. I know Jetta personally, like, not personally, personally, but he knows where I'm from

and I know where he's from and it's cool. We, yeah, we know the same people, but... What'd your mom go to jail for? So my mom,

she grew up with a lot of trauma through my grandmother and just her life with her siblings. So like, I'm pretty sure at that point in time when I was in Waterbury, I believe it was stealing.

Like, my mom was always like a big con artist and like always try to get over. Nice. woman ever but when it came to like big stores or you know she used to work at mcdonalds and if she's seen a family not doing so great she'd give them free food and stuff like that but stealing my mom was a big big booster i'll say that like big level booster did she have a drug addiction though so that didn't happen until later on in my life when she started messing around like that um she was always about her

money though you know what I mean she was big on her money and um she was a hustler like in every every shape and form my mom was like a gangster and a hustler like my entire life even when it started to go bad with her drug addiction and you know trauma stirring back up later on did you know anything about jail prison so i remember at a young age going to see my mom from my visits from upstate new york and my grandma's to connecticut through family members and it was just rough because my mom she's like all i knew pretty much you know so it's like i just remember there was a point in time like i remember one christmas i like wish to santa that like my mom would get out of jail you know what i mean like it was rough but you know it was only for a year but it seems like it was forever because

you know my mom was my number one you know did kids uh tease you for that give you a hard time no i never really got teased in school i kind of kept to myself and like i don't know i was like I was an only child. My brother died when I was, like, before I was born. So, like, I was very kept to myself. Like, I liked my Pokemon. I liked my, you know, my own devices to keep me busy and keep me out of my own head. And I had friends that did the same.

And those are the people I went to, you know what I mean? It's been a pattern throughout my life of finding my own devices, good or bad, and then sticking myself in with people that do those things, you know? You said your dad wasn't in the picture. Yeah, my father, I don't know his story. I opened the door for him once later on in life when my first daughter was born. He pulled up and I pretty much told him, I said, hey, we're never really going to create anything. But if you want to be involved to be able to share the heritage of Ecuador and stuff, because he's Ecuadorian. So I let him be a part of her life, showed up, took a picture where they were once, probably met her three or four times after. that never bothered so I just cut off complete communication with him. When you were visiting your mom in prison, did you ever expect to see yourself there? So to be honest, no. To be honest for a while, like I knew that I was going to become something

great and I always assumed that like jail was the one place I would never wind up just because, you know, I was as soft as a little kid. I didn't I didn't see myself ever getting really into trouble or if it was it was always i was brought into trouble you know what i mean um it wasn't until later on that i like noticed another pattern where put myself around the wrong people you know what would you say was your favorite childhood memory my favorite childhood memory hands down sheesh um favorite childhood memory man what age are we talking you know what i mean uh any age I don't know, probably playing manhunt with my buddies in the woods. I always lived around woods, whether it be in Bristol and stuff like that or upstate New York.

So playing in the woods. Like I always liked playing in the woods with my friends and like just wasting away in there, you know, waste a whole day, boom, just manhunt, building forts, stuff like that, you know. What do you think was your worst memory? My worst memory from childhood, I don't know, anytime seeing my mom cry or anything. There was points in life where my mom cried, and she always explained it to me later on and stuff. But, like, just seeing people sad in general, like my mom, people I love seeing them upset. I've had some deaths in the family. My uncle Brian passed away when I was really young, and just being around that was, like, so, like, otherworldly to me.

Like, my mom always tried to keep me safe, essentially, from the outside stuff. And it's like when it's family and, you know, your loved one crying in front of you, how do you stay safe from that, you know? So probably just in general, like tragedies and being close to my mom and seeing her upset. But yeah. Knowing everything you know now, do you think your mom was a good parent to you? My mom was a great parent to me and she did the best for what she could do. Do I think that I could have been raised better to a degree? I mean, sure. But it's like my mom was always there and she always thugged it out so in my the way i perceive it is it could have been way worse you know what i mean like i was around kids whose parents didn't get them stuff or you know didn't have a christmas or didn't

you know just the little things you know and like when you're little you don't realize it but those little things is your mom trying to give you uh like a good childhood you know and now that i'm older and I have children, I'm like, wow. Like, I know it comes with it now. Like, it's a lot bigger than just, you know. Oh, yeah, like, Easter eggs in a basket. Awesome. I get this every year.

But it's like, nah, man, like, your mom worked mad hours to make sure you get that every year. Like, the consistency and the – my mom was the best, man, hands down. Do you think your mom taught you the difference between right and wrong, or do you think that's something she neglected to do? My mom was real tough. my mom was very tough she was she was very hood my mom was very good she was a white woman but she she held the hood element of this is what you do and if you if you fall out of that and you don't do that you're a clown and you don't deserve the time so like me growing up like bad decisions

like i remember the first time i got beat up in the projects she i came in crying and she's like do you better do something about that because you're not going to come in here crying like you're 11 years old bro like I got time for it so I fucking hit the kid and the other kid with a fucking center block you know what I mean that was my one-up but like I didn't get grounded for it she was like hey you stood on your ground just now you got to look behind your back because like they're gonna it never stops you know so my mom was very like she tried to make me a man even though she wasn't a man in a sense you know what I mean what do you think was the most important lesson she taught you. The most important lesson is to watch patterns and watch people,

watch the people that you keep in your corner and, you know, learn the lesson one time. I still struggle with that. I still, to this day, I've always been hard-headed. I can't even count on my, on any of my limbs how many times I've gone to my mom and said, hey, like, I'm stuck with this problem. And she's like, I fucking told you. Like, didn't we do this last year? Didn't we do this the year before, remember this, and I told you that, what's going on with you? But when I'm happy, she's like, yeah, see, this is what it's for. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like without really saying it, my mom kind of set me up for life where it's like,

hey, when it's bad, it's going to get bad. But that's why when it's good in the moment, you don't take it for granted. Tell us about that shift when you started maybe hanging out with a bad crowd or started getting into some trouble. So, I started smoking pot, like, really, you know, my mom did. And, like, I remember going, it's funny because my boy in the other room right now, he's one of the first people I smoked with downtown Bristol as a kid. And I just remember, like, I started skateboarding, started having fun with that.

And then it brought me to the kids that used to chill in the back streets that used to, you know, ride mopeds, getting to trouble, fight and stuff like that. I started chilling with this kid named Mark. He brought me around this kid Joey that I'm still currently friends with. And we were skateboard kids and he was like, yo, we're going to smoke some blunts. I'm like, all right. Well, I don't do that, but I do now, I guess. So we would get all high and slapbox and shit and just, it's just hysterical.

But essentially, like, I want to say it was around like 14, 15. You know, my mom winded up. taking a drive of me one day to drop me off over that area. And she would give me money. And I'd be like, all right, cool, can I get this much? And she'd be like, be honest, are you smoking? And I'm like, yeah. And she's like, what are you smoking on?

And I was like, weed. She's like, all right. She's like, I smoke weed. Why do you think I've kept you out of that room during family get-togethers for fucking years? And I was like, ah, okay, okay. So she used to give me some mids. Like, she would give me weed all the time and stuff.

She's like, listen, as long as you're being cool and not doing anything crazy. I don't care, you know. Um, but yeah, that's 14, 15 is when I started to be around certain people and like, it's taken years to like cut out certain people, even from childhood, you know, like certain people went the other way during life. You know, I couldn't keep them around. I had to learn not to keep them around in a sense. You know what I mean? Do you think weed had a big impact on what was to come in the future? I mean, dude, I remember being in eighth grade and they're like, oh, it's a gateway drug. And I'm just like, like, Like, or I could just go fucking smoke crack if I want, like, we can't be that crazy.

You know what I mean? And like, I just remember, you know, they weren't that far off because weed introduced me to a whole nightlife of everything else that came with partying and having fun. But yeah, I'd like to say that I started pretty young. Like, you know, those ages is when you're still developing. You know what I mean? So. Do you think we just opened up your horizons to give you that craving for something?

more. I feel like because I'm an only child, it gave me like a social status amongst friends that like I always saw it after. Like I always wanted to be a kid that was like picked, you know. I always wanted to be a kid that had all a bunch of friends and be in that social realm of like importance. So that's kind of what I fell into and then, you know, eventually it spiraled, you know. Tell us what happens next. After that? Yeah. man, this might take two podcasts. So, you know, grew up.

I lived in a house with my mom and my stepfather, who she met online in a chat log. He worked at ESPN. We went from apartment to apartment to a house. Like one of the nicest houses I've ever been in in my life. We winded up in it right at top of Bristol next to Bristol Central High School. I had the spot, man. We had an end ground pool.

you know at one point i worked with my mom she was a cn a you know i i had my own money she set me up with a job through that you know i'd go to late compounds all the time fuck around my friends go to parties but i was good like i was leveled out in my head and everything was good and just somewhere along the way i don't know if maybe i was hitting a grosberg or my hormones but bro i just started hating everything like at one point or another that's the only thing I could like look back and chalk it up as is that like dude like I just started being negative about a lot of things

and if it wasn't like about me and what I was doing I want nothing like no parts so like going into high school like my mom was like you need to make sure you get your ass there you live right across the street and I'd be like okay go there this fucking sucks I don't want to be here

leave you know go fuck around go street skate me and my buddies Um, then that slowly turned into resentment towards my stepfather, resentment towards her, uh, ran away from home a lot and like, you know, mind you, I'm chilling with kids that their parents don't give a fuck what they do. My parents did. I just chose to hang out with them because I thought it was cooler. I embraced my friends more than I did my family at one point. And I, the only thing I could think of is like hormones growing up mixed emotions about my father. but that was nothing that I could target back then.

You know what I mean? I was just on free room. You know what I mean? But started getting into partying and eventually their marriage broke up. And when that happened, my mom started messing around with drugs. And it just got super messy. The old Waterbury life started to merge in with the Bristol on her side. And, you know, he was drinking every day, you know, it was.

was bad and it was like all that time they were trying to make sure i went to school and i was just like i'm not fucking going to school it's lame like i like i'm going to be fine and my stepdad used to be like hey but what are you going to do like when you turn 18 what are you going to do and i'm like i don't know like i'll figure it out and i really didn't i didn't take the time to sit down and think what i wanted to do throughout my teen years so getting thrown in my 20s i was like wow i'm just working jobs i'm just working this job that job any job that'll hire me until I fuck it up and look for the next one. But at one point, my mom had gotten locked up again, and that's when she started getting

full-fledging to boosting because it coincided with her drug use, the people she went around. And my mom already had the back history with all the store owners in Waterbury. So it was inevitable. I didn't realize it, but like my mom would pull up with a lot of money, give me a few hundred and fuck off and she would pull off in her RXA. Yeah, my mom drove in RXA. It was pretty cool. You know, but she would give me some money and I'd be like, all right, whatever, didn't

ask questions. And then one day she just, it was like when I was little, she just wasn't there one day. And I was like, oh, fuck. So it was me and my stepfather stuck in the house. We started to hit a foreclosure. I was getting older. I was becoming more socially aware. socially popular so i would have kids cut school come across the street and party at my house

um started getting into drugs weed coke e-pills sold those for years um got plugged in you know essentially turned the house into a trap and while i was being foreclosed like we had a lot of close calls with the police and stuff but they can never my mom always taught me that if the cops come to your house, you meet them at the door and say, what do you need? Do you have any, you have a warrant? Do you have any reason to be looking for anybody? No. Okay, bye. So, like, cops would come to the house and they would try to do like, oh, yeah, we heard noise. Mind if we come in and it's like, yeah, not here, dude. Not here, big dog. You got to go, you know, and I've known that since I was like 15, 16. So mind you, I'm having these violently wild

fucking house parties with, like, I remember one time I had one, dude. I started drinking Captain Morgan's during the day. And we had girls from Southington come up. And I remember it was like four o'clock, dude, and I'm puking it all over myself in my bed. And I'm just like, I'm having people over tonight. This is bad. I crashed.

And people just started coming to my house. So at one point during the night, after I recovered from getting sick and stuff, I literally went up to the second floor, and I was like, all right, one, two. I was like, that's like 20 people between both rooms smoking. Okay, let me go downstairs.

Went into the living room, kitchen and dining room and other room, 30. And then I went downstairs to the finished basement, 20. And I was like, wait a minute. I'm like, dude, I'm at like 62 heads right now in my house alone. And I got an entire backyard of people. But yeah, one of those times, cops came and it became a procedure. Cops are here, duck down because we had a fence, would have them duck behind the fence and just be quiet.

So they would be rave and see the cops. Then there would be no sound. And it would be me or a friend and be like, yeah, there's no, there's no party here, man. And the cops would be like, dude, like, we're not doing this. And I'm like, I don't know what to say. Cops would leave, start right back up again. But at that point, we would get people out, you know, like. But so many times I've had a party on that street.

And, dude, there were college kids pulling up, you know, like hanging around a bunch of 14 and 15-year-olds, like drinking UV blue and fucking steel reserves you know what i mean so i could go on for days about stories about that but i'll start to continue more um at one point uh i started hanging around a bunch of older guys from the hood and they were really cool they looked after me they taught me a lot but i didn't look at it in in retrospect they were 26 almost going into their 30s hanging out with me a 14 15 year old um at one point I got talked into doing a liquor store robbery, well, not robbery, a burglary. So me and this older dude,

we broke into a package store. We broke down the window. He got away. I didn't. My mom, as I said before, is a gangster. I talked to her about it via jail, and she said, you better do what's fucking right. And essentially, I went into jail and didn't say a word.

I was there for three days. I was in MII for three days. Slept. Literally slept and got out and what are we doing next? Now I got a little fucking badge of merit for going in and not saying nothing. You know what I mean? Got put on probation and from there it just spiraled completely out of control because real things started coming into my life

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Stop cutting the ice line. She was going to be doing two and a half years. How did you get caught specifically on that, Robert? So, I was leaving a girl's house in Farmington or something. I got picked up on my friends and we went from Farmington to Bristol and we went to a 7-Eleven and I was hammered. Like I was hammed up dude, like drunk. And at one point, the older dude I would show with was like, yo, fuck it. He was a crash out too.

Now later on seeing it, he was a fucking complete crash out. He's like, yo, let's go rob this fucking package store. And I was like, fuck, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's perfect timing. Dude, not perfect timing. It's like 10 p.m. on like, it was on Riverside Ave in Bristol. So it's like literally right next to like downtown Bristol. Like the cops are straight shot.

The police department's a fucking straight shot. You know what I mean? Use my elbow to bust down the window, dude. Split my elbow open, blood everywhere. So now my DNA's everywhere, whatever. He hopped in, grabbed everything. I kept lookout. Larm's going off.

He handed me some shit. and then we ran to the boulevard, which is literally just flat. Like there's no, like, there's trees and shit. And, like, there's like a little river that goes under a road. But like, bro, this wasn't planned out. This wasn't no, you know what I'm saying? Fucking cops catching me in the baseball field. I try to run over her friends, dude.

I got caught up in a cell. But, yeah, that's essentially how it happened. He winded up getting away, making it back to my house, cut it there. and then yeah what was the outcome of that case so i winded up getting put on three years probation with two suspended i believe and yeah my goal i had a super cool probation officer mary hard out of bristol connecticut hi mary if you're watching this i love you and um she pretty much said hey listen just come here i i don't really care what you do you could still be a kid if you want to smoke that's fine just come here and give me something that i could show them so that they know you're doing

right and you're not just fucking off so yeah sure i got you meanwhile we're losing the house i'm couch surfing i'm dealing with girls um dealing with drug dealing um i'm dealing with friends going through their shit and i'm trying to be a good friend um i wind up in an apartment condo uh dealing with a whole bunch of females start get more into the the music festival scene where now it's like oh so we're dealing with e-pills Now we're dealing with LSD and Mescalin. So I was selling those things, but all the while I was doing those things. So a lot of it is like a mixed up blur.

Like I remember times and then other times I'm like, oh, and I bring it up to the people that were around. And they're like, oh, no, that was that time that this happened, the following day, that other crazy shit happened. And like I said, it was just a complete mixture of chaos. And all the while, my little pocket wireless phone would blow up. My probation officer's like, hey, hey, you didn't come in today. What's you doing? Hey, I came to your house today. You weren't there.

What are you doing? Hey, you missed your appointment. You were supposed to pee for me today. What are you doing? All right. At one point, I was going through a breakup with this chick. I got super hammered. I was upset about it.

But meanwhile, I was talking to another chick. so it really wasn't that important. I feel like I was just chemically unbalanced from the drugs. So my reign of importance went one way, one another, one way one day, one way to another. I winded up being in a car with one of my best friends and some chicks, and I got super upset, and I jumped out of the car while it was moving.

He tried to get me back in the car. I tried to fight him. Obviously, he wasn't trying to fight me, but he slammed me. We were wrestling, essentially. I winded up tackling a mailbox. I don't know why. I think I was just black out

and didn't really know what I was doing. The cops came, I got arrested. So now reality sets in. I go to my court date, and they're like, well, you violated probation with new charges. And though they're not the same charges, they're troubling charges. So at one point, they set the clock pretty much

where you're going back to jail. But we're going to continue it a few times. We're going to let you get everything in order. So I go back to my crazy life. And essentially my clock for going into jail starts. And, you know, I'm making unimportant relationships with people and some important relationships with others. But all I remember is that one day I went to court and I didn't come back. And I turned myself in on an 18-month bid, went inside and, you know, got broken up with.

I wound up in a cell with one of my close buddies, so that was really cool. My buddy Randy from Bristol. And, you know, I struggled emotionally really hard in my first bid. I cried. I cried a lot. Like, I was the type of kid that would crawl on the bunk and cry. Looking back now, I'm probably withdrawing from the drugs that I filled my body up with for years prior to that. but I just struggled so emotionally because I just went from living one type of life to another.

It was rough. I winded up getting out nine months in T.S. bid. And that was a juvenile detention. Not juvenile. So they had an adult prison, but essentially it was made for people that are like anywhere from, like, if you did something crazy at 15 and you got tried as an adult, they're bringing you to NYU. It's jail. in my opinion it's very similar to like a mcdougal i don't know if you know anything about mcdougal but it's it's pretty much mcdougal for kids okay you know it's like big cheshire for kids it's

it's it's blocks you come out and your day room's right in front of you you know what i mean and uh that's kind of when i like after a while i like you know got out of my emotions but i just seen how things worth it was a gladiator school you know if you talk shit at the door to somebody that's across the wing, just know that, you know, somebody's running in your cell or they're going to catch you at school. That was very much the dynamic.

And to be honest, I kind of just stayed away from it. At that point, I kind of sat down with myself and said, what am I doing when I get out of here? Still didn't figure it out, though. Why wasn't probation making you go to high school at all, keeping you on the right track? Dude, it's crazy that you say that.

I never knew. truancy sent a letter to my mom's house early on when I didn't start going. Like my school officer literally used to be like, why the hell isn't he going to school? Like he's getting into fights. He's doing crazy shit.

And the school cameras, dude, you could literally see my front yard. So you could see when I'm coming and going, when a whole bunch of kids are coming and going, like see everything from the school. Bro, they just never, they never fucked with us. I don't know if my mom scared them. with her fucking legality smarts or whatever but they nothing no truancy no nothing they never

arrested me they never arrested my mom nothing that's crazy it's wild your mom was also in prison well yeah but this is even before the whole prison thing like this was just i don't know you call it negligence you could call it fucking what it is but it happens so it's a big system so now you uh nine months you do you do in that facility you get out what happens So I get out, my mom's doing better. She's out of prison. Her and my best friend pull up. She's like, oh, I got the Carter 3.

My mom loves a little way. She's like, oh, I got the Carter 3, I believe. Or maybe it was the Carter 4. It was the Carter 4. That's what it was. She pulled up in our RXA, Carter 4, time to rebuild, time to do it right. I couldn't live with my mom. So I winded up living with my cousin Bree because my mom was an inmate.

So on the T.S. per parole policy, I couldn't live on my mom. My mom was getting it together. eventually they made it so me and my mom could live together so I moved out to meriden moved out to meriden everything was straight um I switched over to smoking K2 when it first came out and I don't know if you're familiar but when k2 first came out it wasn't that dangerous like you could smoke it and it kind of got you high but whatever I wanted to make sure that I followed parole so I can get off parole started talking to a girl

winded up cheating on the girl essentially she was a close homie I shouldn't even have made her my girl to begin with but me and her got into it and I crashed out over it me and her got into an argument I was drunk at a buddy's house in Bristol got arrested

got arrested got sent directly back to jail and when I got sent back to jail I got brought to Niantic the woman's prison but it was the men's side So they had a level two men's side of Nianic for a few years. And I went there and I was just beat up, dude. Like I was just so tired of life handing me, fucked up curveballs and shit. I was just, I remember like the first few days in the intake unit.

I was just on my bed, minding my business. I winded up running into these two tiermen in that unit. And they're like, dude, you want a job? And I was like, yeah, they're like, yo, you keep to yourself. And that's super important. Like, because at this point, mind you, I just went from being around a bunch of of kids to dudes that are coming down off of 10-year bids and now they're the people around me. So they're like, you know, we'll get you a job. You're cool. So now I kind of go into the, you know,

I always liked art. I was always into art. Always did graffiti. So now I'm around dudes that are coming down off of bids. They're like, yo, you ever put your hand on a tattoo gun? You want to? You know, start tattooing here and there. I become the, uh, it wasn't a blubes. It wasn't a blizzard. lock though it was essentially it looked like a almost like a rehab house had two floors and the doors like they just didn't have locks on them but you had a room was yourself like so there was like literally like regular jail like beds and like metal lockers at the end of it but it was rooms like you had a window and shit so after i get over the blues i'm like you know what i got fucking six months in here dude this is sweet i was like let me take advantage of it

got in touch with a close friend she was like yo when you get out you're good you can come live with me i was like all right because mind you my mom was back in prison again during the time that i got locked up again my mother was back in prison met this really cool dude man i'll never forget i used to call him finito his name was mike finin he rip he passed away he he had a heart attack a few years back um old old chapter fucking latin king member coolest fucking guy ever hysterical um he put me on with a lot of the politics early on you know what to do who not to hang out with what you could say what you can't say to certain individuals and what to stay away from uh he tried to get me down with the kings the first month i was around

him and i pretty much told him i was like my mom always told me gangs are corny so like if that's going to keep you from hanging out with me that's fine just you know you don't have to bother with me and something about me saying that to him because at this point I'm like 18 years have gone by or whatnot so I could like you know I have better dialogue

and I'm able to like tell people more face front value like nah this is what I'm doing this is what I'm not doing he respected it so he stayed around me so like there would be new people that would come in there

from like different parts and stuff and they'd be like yo why is he so close what is he and he'd be like he's fine he's neutral but Mike was like my best bud you know what I mean he mind you this is a 40 42 year old man you know coming down off 11 12 years or some shit he uh I don't know dude he's beat like a murder charge like shot somebody in 7-11

beat the murder charge whatever I don't know he always bragged to me I don't feel bad about saying it because he always bragged to me about it um but he was like yeah I've I fucked up probation because I I fucking tried stealing this bitch's car and the dog was shitting on me while I was during the cop chasing stuff like that and I was like, why are you explaining it like that? He was like, I was dusted. I was smoking mad dust in Hartford.

I was like, oh, damn, whoa, that's fucking crazy. So I wind up getting out of there. I kept in touch. I told him to let me know when he hit halfway. He had like two more years left. So I wound up back in Bristol. You would think the games were over, but they're not. How old are you at this point?

I had to be in like, 17, 18 at this point. So I go and live with my friend, and a blast from the past happens. I get reached out to by my cousin Tommy. We call him Guns. Guns is somebody who is currently in my life and is one of my go-to guys for everything. He's my brother, essentially. He's been locked up his whole life, so I haven't had a lot of time with me and him.

But I get word on the street. Guns is coming out soon, and I'm like, sweet, awesome, because that's my go-to-you-old. two guy. I remember at one point he would tattoo us when I lived in the house. Um, I robbed some kids for a lot of e-pos. And I sold them wholesale outright. And I went to him and we spent all the money at the Waterbury Mall and went and got tattoos splurge on everything. The money was going quicker than we could fucking get the people in the door that we robbed pretty much. But even then I look back and I'm like, damn like that was fucked up but so i'm in core i'm in direct communication with him and i'm chilling and i'm back on the bullshit essentially you know uh going into jobs i worked as a

dietary aid at a nursing home um i was dealing with this one girl she's the one that left me in jail originally didn't deal with her and all of a sudden we're back together so now i'm living with her and things got toxic i'm moved away from her and then she winds up getting pregnant boom and i'm like well i've only known you for the longest time and like i've always cared deeply about you and loved you so like yeah let's let's let's have a baby so at this point in life i start to i'm about to be a dad i can't keep doing what i'm doing it's too fucking crazy like i can't bring a baby around it so now i'm starting to get my had together I'm starting to mature. I wind up getting a job at Bizzuto's. We move in with her mom and

her stepfather and things are going good for a while. Everything was great. The baby came, healthy, beautiful baby girl. Everything was cool. And then just one day, I don't know if it was just us being around each other too much or what. And one day I just called the quits. I was like, I'm done. I think social media played a part. There were pretty girls posting up on social media. and it was just one of those things where I look back and I'm like, this is just another point in time of me being selfish and me not being the man I wanted to be yet. Because essentially I, you know, the problems that we were having could have been figured out.

And, you know, at one point or another, I still feel bad to this day, but I feel like I gave up too quick on that. So now I go and live with my mom and Meriden, lose my bazuto's job. mix I start drinking again. During that time away, I met a girl, and within like three or four months of meeting that girl, we get a place. I got a bedroom for my daughter, you know, my daughter's the apple of my eye. Everything's going great, you know.

Everything's going great until it wasn't. I won't go in too much into detail of what happened because it's really personal between me and my children's mothers because I respect them all and I have more than one. But essentially it was just a whole cluster of bad thing after bad thing and more on my side because I feel like I was fighting the urge of going back to that life and also being a mature father, hardworking father. A lot of in-between jobs, everything like that. Um, one point I went out and, you know, I had acid again.

A buddy of mine gave me a whole bunch of acid to hold on to. And, um, I kept it on, I kept it in my dashboard and a cigarette, uh, like an e, tobacco flavoring container. And I'll never forget it. I went out to a bar in Bristol, got pulled over. He's like, you don't have your license. How the fuck do you have a car? And I'm like, well, I work.

Like, I got, like, I financed the fucking car. Like, I don't know. I told him, I was like, dude, if you want, I got my buddy here in a minute, come scoot me. All right. So, gives me a $300 ticket. My boy comes and pick me up. I pick my other friend up from work, wind up back in my car. Drive to the bar in Bristol, proceed to get fucked up.

At one point, I'm driving back in Meriden that night. My buddy told me, he's like, crash on my house. You're hammered. Do not get in that car because you're just asking for trouble. You were already pulled over today. I'm fucking, I'm straight. It's a straight shot, not a straight shot. Hop on 72, go towards Meriden.

This is when Snapchat first came out. Looking down at Snapchat, boom, hit a fucking Jersey barrier, dude. So I'm driving, and now I'm like, you know, driving straight. I'm like, all right, like, hopefully nobody's seeing me. Get off the Meriden exit. And where I was living in Meriden at the time of my mother, I had to loop around. I had to drive right behind the police station. I get lit up.

I get lit up and I just remember I was like, all right, like, what do I do? And it was fighter flight. I knew what I had in the car. I knew what it could potentially do to me. The cop got halfway up to my car and I took him. So I took the cop. The cop got halfway up. I drove, sped off.

He gets back in his car, lights me up. And right behind Meriden Police Department, there's a train. track because the train station's right there well i guess when i hit that jersey barrier on the highway i broke my axle i like cracked it so i hit that railroad track going like a smooth 50 60 miles an hour it completely snaps my axle so i'm in the car and i got my foot down on the pedal and i could just see my speedometer going down and i'm like i'm hit there's no chance they wind up fucking getting me like maybe like, I don't know, a quarter mile up the road, I hop out the car, try running. And a homeless man tackled me.

This homeless guy literally never seen him a day in my life. Lived on the street at this point for like a year and some change now. Homeless guy, bro, I've probably given this dude money for nippers, bro. Fucking tackles me for the cops. I get tackled for on the ground and I'm like, bro, what the fuck, dude? But again, crime mess, DUI, it's my first DUI, puts me inside another spiral of just being back involved with the cops. You know, now I'm out of job, I'm doing jobs in between, got more charges. And now I'm trying to think of what happened after that, because after that, I feel like when I started messing with booze a lot.

That's when I really started reaching a point in my life where I started hitting the booze real hard. So at one point or another, I'm living with this new girl. She gets pregnant. Things went bad. She winded up having a miscarriage. Me and her broke up. I got her out of my apartment in Bristol because at this point now I'm in Bristol from living with my mom. The story I just told pertain to where I live with my mom.

So now I'm continuing off of me and this girl getting the apartment where I have my daughter's room and everything's coming together. I just got a nice job offer from a steel manufacturer right up the road in Bristol. Like, it's beautiful. Everything's getting nice again. Mom's still going through this stuff. She comes in in between and she needs help. She needs this. She needs that.

And like, I'm always there for her. But at one point or another, it started to become something that was not the best for my mom. So I fell back away from my mom for a while. So this girl, uh, winded up moving out. And I winded up fucking around. because I'm single now, and I have my own apartment. I have responsibilities. So when I go out on the weekends with the boys and don't have my daughter,

I'm going to fuck around. I meet this girl, beautiful girl, out in Wallingford, and we start hooking up. She would hit me up sometimes to be like, oh, I'm coming over right now. I'd be like, oh, cool, this is nice. You know what I mean? Well, I get a call from my buddy. Me and her were going to establish a relationship,

but she was too much of a party girl i was like you can't i can't date you you're you're too crazy i worked sometimes i need somebody i could talk to through like during my shifts whatever she was like whatever i don't fucking care either like i'm gonna go back and getting drunk and having fun get a call from my buddy toby and he's like yo call that girl and i'm like who he's like that girl me and call her i was like why dude because dude she really needs to talk to it's important And I'm like, how important could it be? No, dude, call her. And I'm like, oh, she's pregnant.

And I'm like, okay, so like, what are you doing? And she's like, well, I've been through a lot as far as like fertility and stuff like that. Like, I genuinely think I want to keep the baby. Like, I just want to let you know. I don't know what your involvement's going to be moving forward. But like, I think I'm ready for that part of my life. And I was like, well, my mom didn't raise no fucking deadbeat. That's what my dad was.

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One day, like, I don't mean to insult them at all. I love you guys. But at one point, I remember things got so toxic that they came up with the idea of us having a relationship all three of us. And it literally lasted like 10 hours. You know what I mean? But, like, they were pregnant women. You know what I mean? They were pregnant girls.

They're not thinking, like they're all emotion at that point. So like I fell back from the idea and, you know, meanwhile I'm going through the DUI stuff and, you know, caught a little bit in between charges here and there, domestic here, domestic there. You know, essentially I winded losing my job, having to find more jobs in between, you know, losing connection with my daughter because at this point it's been a time frame where I haven't been consistent with my daughter and her mom was like hey shit I get off the pot um with the two girls being pregnant I feel like I completely bottomed out as a man and I chose the easy and weak route of going out and partying over being a father um it's something that I'm still working on to this

day so the people out there that take stuff like that for granted if you're in that position now, my advice to you is change right now because it affects it so much that it'll come, you can get everything together again and it's still going to be a reality. That's what I'm going through right now in my life, is that I've fixed everything, but you can't make up for that lost time with your children. Nothing in the world can make up for that lost time with your kids. And that's what I deal with on a day-to-day basis. And I try to to reconnect and try every day to make better. So I spiraled out, man.

I started living with the tattoo artists in a warehouse, and we had a bunch of fun, and I don't take nothing from them because it wasn't their responsibility what I had for my responsibilities. They more or less took me in because I was really cool, and I've always been charismatic,

so at this point, both of the kids, both of my new BMs don't want nothing to do with me. my original BM wants nothing to do with me so I'm a fucking bag in the wind um not doing anything important aside from helping my boy that does tattoos fucking meet new clients and getting a minute and out and partying you know at one point he was supplying all of our our drugs our alcohol everything at one point I was literally just there letting it all happen and just being a part of it one point or another him him and my other friends they cut that cord too They said, dude, you're a hang around like, I hate to break it to you, but you are, and I was.

And it sucked and eventually got to the point where, you know, my cousin guns got out. My cousin guns got out. I'm still couch hopping. And, you know, I go into the fastness of his life, but he taught me a lot as far, even up to that point, he taught me a lot because he was starting to set building blocks and something bigger. Like, oh, I want to be in a shop. I'm going to get in a shop. I'm going to potentially own my own my own shop one day, and this is what I want to do.

Me being big into skateboarding, I've always liked skateboard clothing, street brands, everything like that, always wanted to do it full time. So I start hanging out with Tommy while everything's going on with the mess of my active case with the DUI, everything like that. But now I'm starting hanging around people

that are more art-oriented where he's like, yo, shirts, hats, Bonfire, third people users to sell stuff, to make money off of it. You know, hopping in and out of the skate scene, I still skateboard hang out, making new friends. At one point, I think, I'm pretty sure it was a domestic. I call it a domestic where I kicked down the door of one of my BM's house after my son was, one of my sons was born because two sons came from those two girls that I got pregnant. I kicked down the door and got to an argument with her.

I've never put my hands on a female, by the way. That's not my M.O. But still, I kicked down a door. My kid could have been behind that door. I wind up getting, they tried to get me with child endangerment, but I didn't get it. But I winded up getting breach of peace, threatening second degree, all that good stuff.

So now they're like, okay, well, we want to, want you to sit down for 18 months. Okay, yeah, that's fine. I've done 18 months before, yeah. No violent charges, whatever, I'll do it. So at this point, now that I'm bottomed out again, I go and live on my mom in New Britain. Mama's back. She's got a new shack for us to hang out.

It's a fucking two-bedroom in New Britain, dude. It's the size of nothing. It's horrible. You know what I mean? She got a new man. He's got a crack problem. She's still suffering heroin addiction. and but she's still trying to be a mom like that was the coolest thing to me is like yo like i wish

i was more like my mom because mind you during my stages of being all fucked up and stuff i didn't want to be around my kids like that i didn't want them to see me like that and i'm glad i didn't because god only knows i would have had my kid around a situation that i could have got in trouble and next thing you know i got that on my record where i'm in endangerment to them or d uh dcf keeps me away from You know what I mean? Luckily, I stayed away. Some of my baby mothers are like, y'all, you know what? When you were going through that stage of your life, I'm glad you stayed away because like, you didn't alter your ability to be there now. You know what I mean? So I'm living in New Britain, banging broads left and right, just being a recluse, dude.

Reclose during the day, out during the night going crazy. So one night I'm in Bristol I'm in my mom's Jeep I'm selling blow And I leave a bar And I start driving up This winded hill

And mind you Like I have In two months I gotta turn myself And maybe even less than that Um Pretty much just making money To have money until I go away Bro I'm driving up this hill in Bristol

And this fucking Jeep comes fly It wasn't a Jeep I was in a Jeep A car comes flying down Do crashes in me head on bro total's the front of the jeep i kick the door out because i don't even the adrenaline's pump in and i'm like dude what the hell are you thinking like what what's going through your head he's like my wife just left me i got nothing else to live for and it's taking me so much to not like

assault this man because i'm so mad like i literally i cracked my for i literally just reached around and cracked my first budwiser for the night and i was going to uh uh give a re-up to a kid that I knew that sold for me. So, bro, I'm, like, sitting there pretending to limp, and I'm pulling the beers out of the car. He's like, yeah, get rid of everything. I'm like, dude, get away for me. You know what I'm saying? And I took the blow and I stashed it by a bus stop.

People are coming outside of their house. Oh, I'm on the phone with the cops now. I was like, all right, like, whatever. And they hand the phone to the guy. And he's like, yeah, this fucking kid just crashed into me. and bro when I tell you I was about to beat the brakes off this guy I literally there was people around I was like you know what I'm out I ran it wasn't even my fault I didn't even crash this guy crashed head on into me but because of my stuff I have going on with the police at that point and the courts and what I had on me I fucking left wind up going back getting my drugs my mom's fucking livid at me she's like dude that was our fucking car dude Like, that was our resource.

Meanwhile, she boosted still. So I just took away her chance to get any or all money or drugs that she could have got. Whatever, I fucked up the bag. So, um, I wind up getting with the Wallingford chick. Me and her wind up talking again. And she's always wanted to meet around at this point. And it was right before I went back in. And, you know, we had really like, really sentimental, like,

relationship dynamic where like I'd go with her and we'd like candles and paint she liked art i liked art and i was around my son and it felt really good and now Tommy had just been home for a while guns and you know he was bringing me places you know dosing me with acid you know just having a good time and i was getting ready to sit down again so in my fucked up head I was like all right well i got my family to look forward this time I'm going to come out and try to be a full-time parent to my son on her on the side of her and be a partner to her because you know at that point it was like yo like I got to make something nice out of this you know what I mean I got to see some type of fruition of something fruitful and something great out of it and I think it was just

a little too late I winded it up going to Nianic annex no not Nianic annex Cheshire annex it was right next to big cheshire the prison in cheshire and i had 18 months so i turned myself and i go there and at this point i've been to jail a few times so it's it's the norm it is what it is and again i think it was just me withdrawing from all the drugs and bullshit and crap and ideas i've put into my body throughout the past few years from the last time i was in because now mind you I'm 22, 23. But yeah, so this is what leads me up to the escape. So I don't know if you have any other questions before that.

Keep it going. You're on a roll. But so I get into this fucking, it's literally a building, man, that has two dorms in it. And I get in there, everything's cool. My BM lives right down the street. She's having my son come to see me. It's perfect. It's ideal, dude. I'm set up straight, you know.

I set her up with some. fucking good people on the outside where we were selling fucking Adderall to fucking some fucking Yale University professor. Like I can't go into too many details, but she was good with money for a while while I was away. It got pretty intense. I see the side eye. You just did.

Oh, no. I just checked to make sure it's recording. It got crazy. So whatever. I'm in jail. and essentially the counselor told me, hey, listen, if you're going to be in this level two and you want your T.S, you're going to work.

And I was like, okay, like, what do you guys do? We do outside clearance. We do the highways. We do work around, you know, parks and rec. And, you know, we have the CEO training camp right next to us. There was literally a building right next to us with the flagpole where they train CEOs in Connecticut. So I was like, cool.

I winded up getting put in the role of being a landscaper at the CO training facility. So it was me, this kid named Shaggy, and this old dude named John. I think John was a crack kid. He was wild. He was OD crazy. So they would literally put us in this garage during the day,

and like we had to go back to the garage of the garage for count. We had a little fridge dude. It had orange splash in it and baloney sandwiches. I was like, yo, this is just, literally work, but it's jail. Like, whatever. So we would clean the inside of the training facility. We'd go in there, fuck around.

Like, it was actually a really fun and good time, dude. You know, I would run to that phone after every time I was back in the unit, you know, chit chat to her, jail talk her up. One day, I come back from work and, you know, I think I, like, stole egg rolls from, like, the room at the fucking, like, the break room at the training facility. I had duck sauce. so I used to sell it for like fucking like $5, dude, for duck sauce or soy sauce so they can cook with it. I get on the phone with her one day and, you know, I feel like it was the oddest, like, like, out of mind type of thing,

but I can tell she was like disconnecting from me. And me being anxious, I was like, no, where are you going? No, no, no, no, no. Make sure you answer at this time. Blah, la, I just got mad anxious and, like, I got. I could feel her pulling away, and I was trying to pull her close, and in that process, she made her pull away more. One day, you know, she brought up something from the past, and I was like, oh, you have my

phone. If you want, you can go through my phone. Well, me being old me, you know, I had to have a backup plan if she stopped talking to me, so I hit up a bunch of girls that I used to screw around with, and I gave them my information in case they ever wanted to reach out. or I had a list of all their numbers. That's what it was. Well, she found the list in my notes on my iPhone.

One day I called no answer. One day I call no answer. One day I called no answer. Then finally one day I called and I'm like, why the fuck do you an answer? Yelling at her, screaming at her. She stopped picking up. This was around, I want to say September,

maybe the end of September beginning of October of 2018. I was three months in already And I was like, what the fuck? Got super sad about it And I don't know, man, it was just back to where I was when I was little And I went to jail for the first time. I just didn't know how to control my emotions off of it. And like now I'm in a, now I'm around a whole bunch of older people.

I can't cry. Like, or I can't be caught crying at least. So I'm stressing. Just impulsive anxiousness. impulsive anxiousness. I'm reaching on people on the outside, trying to figure out what's going on. But mind you,

I've been calling her for the past three months. Nobody else. Nobody's answering me. I put them on the list. So it gets to a point where I start getting heavy into doing art. I would play crazy hearts with people, which our games would last a day sometimes, because I play what players that actually played for long periods of time.

And I did art. so money was not coming in anymore and i had to do hankies and stuff and i was really good at drawn and at one point um this guy came up to me he was like yo i need this i need an eight ball fucking you i need an eight ball on a hanky with 81 on it and i was like oh all right like whatever i'm spiraling over a girl right now and just need to make sure i have a chili soup of my fucking tummy at night you know so whatever dude we get shake uh uh uh uh uh We got shook down and Intel came in and they pulled me aside. And they're like, hey, what's up, bro?

They're like, yo, you fucking, you're part of a gang? And I'm just like, dude, I can show you all my tattoos. I'm not fucking part of a gang, bro. Because mind you, I'm trying to get out soon. They put me in SRG. I ain't getting out. So I was like, nah, bro, I'm fucking not a part of any gangs. I'll show you all.

I have mostly Wu-Tang tattoos and early 90 rap tattoos, bro. Like, I don't have crazy shit like that. But we found this in there. Yeah, it's a fucking hanky I'm doing for somebody. Who are you doing it for? Well, if it's bad, I ain't telling you who I'm doing it for because that's snitching. I'm not fucking doing that.

Oh, 81's fucking hell's angels. And I'm like, oh. I'm like, I didn't know that. So now I have the stress of intel being on my ass who pretty much essentially told me, yeah, well, you'll be hearing from us. You know what I'm saying? They let me rock, but essentially,

I thought my head, oh, yeah, like I'm pending fucking investigation. for a potential, like, you know, a security risk group. I'm like, fuck. So at one point, I want to say it was around like 10 days before I actually left. I started thinking about it. I was, like, look at tiles in the ceiling. I was like, yo, I think I can get out of here. You know what I'm saying?

I started looking at shit. I started looking at CEOs come and go. They were short-staffed a lot. I was like, yo, if they give me a chance outside and they're short-staffed, I could fucking get the fuck out of here. you know what I mean didn't tell anybody about it didn't say anything to anybody about it

you know and at one point I just remember waking up one morning and I was like dude I think I want to do it because like at that point she wrote me off I didn't have anybody that gave a fuck about me really besides my mom I was like yo I'm just about to leave and like never come back like my thing was literally my thoughts

as a kid just like yo I'm just gonna run away from everything You know, if people don't appreciate me, fuck them. Which was really stupid because the only reason why people didn't care about me is based off my decisions I made up until that point. But I couldn't think like that. I set a barrier in my head where it was everybody else and not me. October 31st comes 2018. Wake up, eat breakfast, do my workout routine, hit off some burpees and my sweats. You know, just doing my routine.

they didn't think at all that I would take the chance on this day. We're short-staffed. But they want to bring us outside because it's Halloween. A lot of people have kids and can't see their kids on Halloween. We'll let them do some fucking, you know, let them shoot some hoops. So the way the rec yard set up is that it literally goes around the entire, like, there's no fence separating the entrance. So essentially, like, it's a small little area and, like,

the CEOs keep us away from a certain point just by saying, hey, fuck off, get away from this area. Well, there's two COs. There should have been three or four, I believe, in order to even initiate wreck. So people lost their jobs. And what happened was, is they did recall at one point or another. And when they did recall, I hit on the side of the building, inmates seen me. And the CEO that was supposed to be making sure he was supposed to be behind the, it making sure everybody comes in wasn't so there was no CO that saw me they locked the doors so I'm outside and I'm like well this is already I'm not going to get an attempt escape charge fuck that because that's corny you know what I mean I was like if I'm going to do this we do it all

the way and that's it not thinking about any of the consequences that come with it right bro I try scaling the fence and mind you I have on wreck sweatpants and I think I think I might have had my tans outside for doing pull-ups. So I put those on and I was like if I rip through one I'm going to have the other. Run up with my fucking Reebok highs, dude,

to this fence. Start trying to scale it. It's got the pieces of plastic that go in between the fence. Bro, I'm sliding down this thing. There's just like, dude, it's literally probably like eight or nine feet with razor wire. And I'm like, bro, what the fuck? So there was a picnic table we used to press it out in the yard

Bro, I flipped it. I don't know where this strength came from Because I could barely even lift that pressing it a few times With somebody spot in me, bro, I flipped this picnic table up against the fence sideways like this And climbed up the picnic table, got to the top of the fence And wiggled my way through the razor wire. I still have scars on me from it. Made it over.

I hear inmates on the glass from the unit just wigging the fuck out going crazy make it over walk through the back part of cheshire all the way through and now mind you they have so it's m yi it's my i nianic anics and big cheshire they're literally all next to each other so it's the same place where i was when i was younger and there's a vehicle a truck that goes by and surrounds the jail and does rounds no different than count. Fucking found my way out. Made it through the field. Made it out. I'm taking back roads. At one point on one of my side jobs, I was a garbage man. I was a garbage man for maybe like two weeks a few years before. So I was like, I know where I'm at. This used to be where I used to do my

routes. So I'm on this cul-de-sac in this rich neighborhood. I'm walking up the road. I got blood. I'm dripping blood. And there's blood on my tans, everything. So I take off my tans. And now I'm wearing a shirt and sweatpants but I still look like an mate like hands down still bleeding it's starting to get dark out where do I see I see a fucking princess and fucking yoshi costume

walking towards me with her parents you know and I'm just like all right now I need to develop a story when one of these motherfuckers decided to ask me who I am and what I'm doing you're dressed up for prison I'm yeah I just came back from a Halloween party you know what I mean so finally

I walk all the way to the center street in Cheshire. I forgot what the road's called, but there's this big strip. Bizzutos is right off of it, the job I used to work at. I know where I'm at. There's a plaza. It's got an old Navy. It's got, I believe, a stop and shopper, a big Y. And it's got a pizza place.

I hop in that plaza. First person I see you, I need a cigarette. Thank you, man. I appreciate it so much. And I started to go up to, I think I want to, to two people and i said hey i i just got stranded out here i need a ride could give me a ride nope nope nope i'm like i already know i'm not going to get a ride if i rely on randoms because i look fucking crazy i have face tattoos i look no different than i look now but i'm bleeding and in and sweats

so at one point i see a pizza place and i'm like a delivery guy guy runs in dude it literally happened like clockwork i sat there and was chilling on the side of this fucking old navy and pizza place building guy come pulls up hops out of the car cars running i hopped in the car first one i seen hopped in took off with it i went maybe a block and i considered to myself what i have done and it's all started to hit me you know what i mean i started to realize what position i had just put myself in realistically and i was like if they catch me in this car they're going to shoot me if i take them and I become a danger, I'm technically on their property. You know what I mean? When you're an inmate, you're a property of the state. If I'm out there putting people's life in danger

just by speeding in a car, they have every right to shoot that car. So I took maybe two blocks, went, parked the car, took the guy's phone, left the keys. The car was unscathed, perfect condition. I didn't do nothing to it. I took her two blocks. Took the phone. At one point I look at the phone and there was like a storm warning, but it wasn't a storm warning. It was me. Warning inmate just escaped local correctional facility. Try to stay indoors if you could. They got a weather alert for me escaping and I was like, fuck.

You know what I mean? So I was like, what do I do at this point? So I was like, well, I just got to keep going. So I turned off his phone, turned off, went to his settings, turned off location. I was a little tech savvy, but I didn't realize the powers of the fugitive task force. You know what I mean? So later on I find out they were pinging me all throughout my little walk,

but that they kept losing it. I'd be one place, one minute, and then after a little bit, I think it was because I was turning it off, but who knows? So I'm walking down this big, big, long stretch of a street that leads going to Wallingford. But I didn't want to go to Wallingford

because I knew that they would go right to her house. So I was like, I don't know what I'm doing I called guns up through the guy's phone at one point He's like, you're out bud, where are you at? And I was like, you need to come get me What do you mean you need to come get? What are you talking about? I escaped.

Bro, get out of Connecticut right now. But bro, I need your help. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm on parole, which he was. I'm on parole. I can't be nowhere around that. You did this, figure it out. You'll be all right.

You're probably going to wind. up doing five years. Just letting you know right now you're looking at five years if they catch you tonight. So now I'm panicking. I'm like, oh, what the fuck did I just do? And now the reality sets in. I winded up calling the girl. And I'm like, hey, what's up?

She's like, who is this? I was like, it's Lewis. She's like, what do you mean? I was like, yeah, bro. I was like, why were you picking up, bro? She's like, you got out today? And I'm like, no, I just fucking left. she's freaking out

whatever we hang up with each other I call a bunch of my buddies nobody wants to help me because I'm the hottest thing moving all my all my drug dealer friends and shit that I thought were my day one day ones they wouldn't come near me

they're like dude you're the last person I want around my vehicle you know what I'm saying like it's Halloween night like I have shit to do I have money to make I can't have you around like I'm sorry hide in a fucking dog house if you could So at that point I'm even more mad

I'm like fuck my friends I don't have any friends So I'm walking down the street I'm ducking and dodging to the backyards I see a stady drive by I'm like this is it I'm done I run into the woods

I hear door open I hear a dog get out with the officer I'm done I'm cooked meanwhile it's gradually getting darker gradually getting dark so at this point in the woods you can't really see nothing I'm like

Oh, I read in a fucking book if I probably cover my scent in water from a dog. Dude, I literally submerged myself backwards in this stream in Cheshire in the middle of the woods away from this road. Cop left. Never found me. Nothing couldn't find me. So now I'm bloody, ripped up, fucking covered in mud and fucking just, I'm a mess, dude. You know what I'm saying? To the average eye, dude, I'm like the. biggest thing standing out you know i'm walking down this street empty long road straight shot there's no woods i could really jump into without hurting myself a car drives up and meanwhile i'm trying to keep my head straight i'm not trying

to look back bring any attention to myself car pulls up behind me i'm like this is it this is it this got to be a cop right hey dude what are you doing i look over it's some guy i see twisted t's all on his passenger see he's hammered. What are you doing, dude? And I'm like, yo, dude, I just got into a fight. Some girl brought me to a party

and I got into a bang out. I'm bleeding, like, whatever. I winded up getting stranded. So I left. Like, I'm looking, I'm trying to, like, get out. My phone's fucked up. Whatever. He's like, where are you headed?

I'm like, Bristol. He's like, I can't bring you to Bristol. I live in Meriden. That's where I'm going for the night. If you want, you can come with me. I could bring you to Meriden. We could try to get you a ride or something. I'm like, word bet.

Hoping in his car. he's like dude you're fucking dressed like an inmate he's like i was like yeah not bad right he's like dude you got it down to the shoes i've owned a pair of those before when i was locked up in hartford a couple years back and i'm just painting this thing like at this point i'm just painting a narrative for him so that you know i'm looking at the rear view i'm looking at the cars coming this way i'm looking my brain's everywhere but in my head i was like i'm good because like there's no way that they're going to be able to look back and say oh he got into a car with this guy i was in the middle of the fucking woods, essentially, on a road, like a back road.

I'm good. This is a perfect situation. So we go to Meredith. He's like, you want to come in the pack of you with me? And at this point, I'm trying to play it cool. So I was like, yeah, we go into a package store. I'm literally, I'll never forget. I'm like, just chilling like this while he buys his beer.

He's like, you want anything? I'm like, no, I'm straight, bro. Like, I'm good. He's like, are you sure? I'm like, yeah. I'm literally looking at myself. You know, in packet stores, they have the video cameras showing you, you essentially. Whatever.

Crazy, right? These people don't know who I am or what's going on. Hysterical. Wind up leaving the packie. We go third floor up to his apartment. There's a bar next to his apartment that's connected by the building. I go upstairs and at one point he's just going off about his girl. And I could relate because I'm going through that.

that shit with my old lady. So, like, I'm telling him what people were telling me when I was going through it in jail. So he's like, yeah, she's not talking to me right now, but I love her. That's a picture of her, blah, blah, blah. And, like, meanwhile, I'm just like a random person. So I'm like, yeah, dude, like, you'll figure it out, bro. Like, if it's meant to be, it would be meant to be. You want a beer?

Yeah, sure. One beer. Want another beer? Yeah. Meanwhile, I'm like, can I use your sink? Could I clean up? Yeah, bro. Yeah, you're bleeding everywhere.

Yeah, clean up. cleaning myself off at one point he's like yo i got some clothes you can wear you look like you're covered in mud and shit i got some clothes gave me a shirt gave me jeans everything like set me up perfect um the door buss open the door bus open dude and his buddy's like yo what up dog he's like oh it was his neighbor's neighbor was a close friend of his he comes in he's undoing a like a bag of blow and he starts dumping out of the table like you would think he lives there the way he just walked, they stormed in and sat down. He starts fucking put it down. He's like, yo,

who's this? Why is he dressed like a fucking inmate? And I'm just like, yeah, dude, I'm changing right now. I told him, he's like, oh, whatever, do you do blow? And I was like, I do, but not anymore. I'm actually clean for like the past few months because I'm in jail, you know? At one point, I get on Snapchat on the guy's phone I stole from the car.

I turn it on. Worst mistake ever. So I think I go on Snapchat And I'm hitting on my buddy Give him the lowdown And what's going on He's like yo I got some of your clothes We're going to pick you up here

I'm going to Uber you All right cool My phone's not going to be on So make sure that Uber gets here Bottom line Hang up Uh Yeah it was a Snapchat call

Hung up with them Turn the phone off So I'm waiting And now I'm just pacing Because I'm like I need to get out out of here because I'm one town over from Cheshire, bro. You know what I mean? And if this phone is the reason why I get caught, yeah. So I literally threw the phone out in this guy's

garbage without him even noticing because at that point I don't need it anymore. I go to my boy. I'm Scott free. I don't need a phone. I go out down the front of the bill and I'm like, oh, thanks for everything, man. I really appreciate. I'm going to come holler at you soon. Yeah, my mom lives down the road. So this is good. All right, cool man, got you. Go down the front. Nothing. Nobody's there. It's just a busy marriage. at an intersection. I'm like, fuck,

dude. Walk back up the stairs, go back down to the back, because it's like a setup like this where the back door is right here of the apartment and the front door is right here. That's how it would look if you were looking at it in a hole. I go down the back stairs,

go out, and this dude's on the third floor. He's like, yo, I think that's your Uber right there. It was a black car. It was a black Nissan rogue. And I was like, oh, word, get in. It's an Asian guy. He's like, hey, going to bleachers.

Yep. literally dude as soon as this guy goes to pull out dude it all black dude it looks like a hellcat pulls up hits the lights I got two I got two agents coming up to me get down on the fucking ground blah blah freaking out and I'm just like

oh here we go this is it so mind you the dude wouldn't let me throw away my jail clothes there he made me bring him into a bag so I've always wondered if maybe he knew and like you know what I'm saying might have informed them or whatever but I think he got the sense that like something wasn't right.

Or got a reward or something? I don't know. He didn't want the jail clothes in his house. Like when I took off the bloody jail clothes, he wanted them in a bag. Like he was like, take that with you. I mean, normally you would take clothes with you that when you're changing. Well, I told him that I whipped some kids ass too, so maybe he didn't want the evidence. I don't know.

Anyways. So they swarm your car? They swarmed the Nissan rogue of the Uber I was getting into. Was it an actual Uber or was he an under? No, it was an Uber. had the light in it and everything that's when they first started having the little lights to let people know that hey i'm an uber so you almost made it out of there safe almost made out of there they triangulated me from the phone so i get slammed on my fucking stomach i'm crying i'm upset because i'm literally just made my life so much worse than it what it needed to be and i just kind of was shook from it like why would i even think something like this is all right um that moment stemmed in a lot to me looking into my mental health after that point because you look at it from the outside perspective and you're like, dude, you had 18 months, you had a nine-month bid.

What were you thinking? Yeah, what was your thought process? Like, where would you have gone? What do you want to do? I didn't have a plan, dude. It was just a rash. I knew somebody I can go to to get to PR. So that was going to be what I was going to potentially wind up doing.

Don't they extradite in Puerto Rico? Yeah, but if you get lost out there, they can't find you. It depends. It depends on the circumstance and who you know. You know what I mean? A lot of cops over there, they play different. You know what I mean? So I wind up getting slammed on my stomach.

The cop's really cool. He's like, dude, I know. I know. I remember him telling me, he's like, I know you're upset. He's like, you want a cigarette? He let me smoke a cigarette, which was completely not all right, because I'm technically state property still. And I just remember there was a bar next to the behind the place.

So there's people outside smoking cigarettes on the patio. and a lady's like, oh my God, that's the kid that escaped. Don't hurt him. Police brutality. And I'm just like, nah, they're cool. They're cool. They're letting me smoke a cigarette. Well, I get loaded up into their little fucking, I didn't even know they had a vehicle

like that. It's a blacked out. It looked like a hellcat, dude. I get in the car and I'm like, so who are you guys? They're like, ah, we're the fugitive guys. We're the fugitive task force. Like, you know what I'm saying? Talk to them for a minute.

They're like, dude, you're a real fucking cool kid, man. what the fuck are you thinking? They brought me to troop B or troop C so I can get processed and they're like, well, the fugitive lead investigators want to talk to you. They just want to talk to you, like, you know, explain to you your charges,

explain to you what's going to be going down. So I got hit with Escape One. Larsonie, I believe, second, wait, one of the worst larceny charges I got. And, yeah, like, pretty much nothing else. Just the car and the escape were the biggest ones And they sat me down They're like, what why did you run?

Like do you have warrant somewhere else? Are you evading something bigger? What's going on with you? And I said, no, I was just stressed out. My girl left me. I was real upset about it. And that's what I wrote off of And I took any question they had, I answered like right away

And they were just like, oh, well, damn, dude, that fucking sucks Because you're in this position, but you don't sound like a bad person. So they're like, all right, well, thanks for cooperating with us. We don't know what happens after here, but like, you know, we're going to take this into a count on court that you were so... Because originally, too, they were like, where's the car?

Where's the car? And I was like, I put it there. And they were like, why did you take the car if you didn't just wind up crashing out with it? And I was like, well, because I thought you guys would hurt me. And they were like, you're real smart because we could have if you took us. That's our job. you know, to stop a fugitive getting away, you could have definitely either hurt yourself or hurt others.

So that is super smart out of the list of stupid things that you, like, decided to do. So whatever, they're really cool. They were really nice to me. It was pleasure meeting them. I don't remember their names because, you know, 2018 was a while ago. But so then I get down to processing.

And, you know, processing is always fun. You know the experience of that. Get hit with the charges. and then I'm like, okay, so like, am I going to court? No. No, these are outside offenses, so you won't be going to, you won't be going in for these charges until maybe a month or two from now at a court. Well, am I going back to Big Cheshire?

Because, like, they always told me if I caught a ticket in the annex, that I'd be going to Big Cheshire. Nah, you're going to Northern. You're going to Northern CI. And I was like, oh, fuck, I've heard about that place. Northern's, like, the worst place you want to be. it's maximum level. That's where they keep death penalty.

That's where they keep death penalty. That's where they keep death row. So I was like, fuck. Get there. Hour and a half, dude, ride there. And mind you, it's like October, so it's just starting to get cold out. I didn't realize how dexteramental that would be later on

while I was in the administrative SEG program. Why they don't have heat there? Even if they didn't, it wouldn't matter. The walls that they're, the walls of the outside of the prison, it sucks in the coldness. Got there, got processed, cried about it a bunch,

tried to kill myself. I was stuck with myself. I went crazy like three times in Northern alone, just trying to cope with what damage I just did in my life. And essentially, I'm like, I'm doing five years.

Like, that's what I'm going to get. That's the minimum. The last guy that escaped this dude named Jerry, he went under a lunch truck. you know they gave him seven but they caught him out in Atlanta trying to call home for money from his mom and the sell him in and you know I had this dude named Rizzo he used to bring me books all the time and stuff and I didn't know him I didn't ask questions I literally just shut out became super depressed and

you know they were like you get to call home once a week in phase one phase one's three months phase two was three months. No, phase one was four months. Phase two was three months and then phase three months. But you go up the levels and the phases, so you get a scheduled one call a week for the first four months, phase one. Once you progress to the second, it's two calls a week. And then the phase three is three calls a week and then moving forward to going back in general pop. So I started out in Northern. And I didn't realize it, but like, The me escaping story is, it's nothing compared to the AS program and that story and stuff. And I won't give you the long version unless you want it.

But essentially, it was me trying to figure out who the fuck I am. All those times I went into those other prisons and I tried to figure out who I am but didn't have the space to. I realized it's, I didn't have enough time to. I needed the time and the segregation in order to figure out who I am and what. what I want to do next. Talking to myself, getting fed through a door, you know,

that type of shit is what kind of like broke me spiritually and mentally because like, wow, like I'm here now, you know, like before I remember, you know, it used to be a dietary aid for fucking people,

like old people, people in the dementia unit, like, hey, Lewis, you know? And now I'm in like, the worst place you could be in,

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And this is a 24-hour lockdown facility. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so my unit, the unit I was in, I think it was, what was it? One West, I think it was. In northern, I was all the way back in the corner of the actual facility. and our tier was AS phase one, and then the tier above us was death row. So our day room that we never went in,

I pretty much watched death row wreck and eat their meals every day. Would you interact with them? Only the tiermen, they had death row tiermen that would come out and be able to talk and stuff like that. But I found out one of them was a ripper, so I didn't really deal with him after a while at one point. What's a ripper? A ripper is somebody who rapes, who has raped people.

Somebody has an offense. A predator, pretty much. No different than, I mean, we call him Diddlers. You know what I'm talking about. Yeah, petto, pretty much. But he did it big time. You know what I mean? Like, I got told through a vent that he raped and murdered a woman.

And to me, I'm sorry, that's like the lowest you can go at that point. Just keep it pushing. Don't come by my door, you know, unless you're trying to come in it. and then that's something else you know what i mean so at one point or another um it was all books i fucking jumped into the world of books man anything i can get my hands on i read it front and back um got flex pens and five pieces of paper and i started doing reviews of books i created my own little i had stars next to the book titles what i liked about um one out of ten for like the sex in it one out of ten for like the action in it.

If it sucked, it probably didn't make the list. That's funny. I've never heard this before. I read like, I want to say in that four months, I think I read close to 130 books. Sounds about right. But that's all I had. It was to escape the reality because I would put down a book and be like, oh, I'm here again. The one positive side about Northern was their portions were huge.

And it's almost like they knew that we needed it for. the cold months because when I tell you that I literally lived under my blanket for the months of January and February that's literally what it was doubling up on t-shirts and t-shirts was nothing it was so cold in that cell I lost weight from it like being somewhere so cold to the point where you have to eat your entire meal every single time and hope that there's more that you can eat so that way you you don't look thin in the face bro is that bad Did they end up prosecuting you? Yes, this comes later on down the line.

I didn't get sentenced until I was out of AS. So they keep you in this for four months as AS facility? Yeah. So I was supposed to do all the phases in Northern. But during my time there, because of some shift that they had, they wanted to move SRG, which is the gang unit and stuff. They always moved around the phases and where they would go, almost like they do the six months with the correctional officers.

And pretty much what winded up happening is once I graduated from the first phase, and mind you, I had called home and my girl was my girl again, everything like that. Crazy. How'd she react to you escaping? Oh, she was a mess. She was so sad because I just fucked up more of my relationship with my son and her, you know, being stupid. Um, her and my mom saved up, bought me an attorney for the case, though, and it winded up paying off later on down the line. So I'm going to court back and forth.

My lawyer's like, dude, like, I don't know what you want me to do for you here. You left. Like, it's open and shut. Like, you left prison. You're going to pay for that. Like, there's no walking away from that. Whatever. So whatever, I'm dealing with the stress of that.

And I'm literally just dealing with the whole mental. thing of being around myself for long periods of time and having little to no interaction with anybody and one day they're like, all right, pack your stuff up. And I'm like, where am I going? They're like going to phase two. And I'm like, I thought phase two is here. That's what the captain said. No, no, they moved it to Walker. And I don't know if you know anything about Walker in Connecticut. It's where people go to get processed and it's pretty much where people go to get, uh, trying to think of the word. They pretty much short you out from there.

So if you get anything over two years or two in a day, you go there and assessment. It's an assessment prison. So I was going to an assessment prison for the next three months. Great. Awesome. Well, now I get to start, now I start to see interaction with some of the other people in the ass program, which was a fucking suicide squad of fucking people, dude. bro, I love all those dudes.

Some of those dudes were fucking whacked out, and I disrespected some of them fucking crazy, but still to this day, I actually just recently was in contact with one of the kids, but, yo, balls to the wall, crazy kids. One of them, his name was Riot. Riot was from Watertown or Torrington. He did a home invasion.

He got 15 years, but he loved beating up cops. He could not keep his hands off CEOs. He loved them. He loved whooping their ass. He loved the prison violence was his thing. Anyways, he was black. And, like, I always got along with the hood dudes and the white dudes. So I was always the best of both worlds when it came to that.

But he was the whitest black kid I knew. Like, he used to, like, one day he showed me his CDs. And he's like, yo, I got panic at the disco. And I'm like, dude, a fever you can't sweat. I love that album, bro. He's like, yo, me too. I sing to it all the time. But he was also real hood.

Like he'll stab you in the face with a toothbrush, dude. You know what I mean? Anyways, a shout out to him. He recently just went back in off a smaller charge, but it's hard when you get into that rhythm and been in there for so long. Then there was Jerry. Jerry was the guy that escaped before me.

Jerry kept regressing. I met Jerry while walking to my cell because, mind you, they put me on the high security wall I couldn't face outward of a prison anymore. I had to be facing a courtyard in my window. So I had Janito, who also escaped. He escaped from a court trip. I had Jerry, who went underneath the lunch truck.

I walked past Jerry Sell the first time, and he was numbed chucked. He was using his socks as numchucks with his soap. I found out very quick Jerry was out of his fucking mind and that he kept smoking the K2 after they stopped saying, smoke it. what I mean um went into phase two now I'm going out for wreck but we have to be cuffed in the cage together everything's cool um met this one dude named crispin he was a weird oh

dude weird kid weird fucking kid uh played with his poop and shit we didn't let him hang out with us like i remember a CEO i remember i was chilling by the door because essentially if we weren't sleeping working out eating drawing we were by the door just catching wrecking talking to each other, roasting each other, talking about certain things. And I'll never forget it, dude. The CEO comes over, and there's a lunch tray on the table. And the CEO was like, yo, is this yours, Crispin? And he was just like, no, open it up.

And the CEO opened it up. He's like, what is this? And he's like, it's doodoo balls. And he literally rolled up turds in a tray and, like, left it for the CEO. And I was like, yo, what a weird fucking guy, dude. Like, we roasted them for months after that. Like, yo, you're weird. Like, don't even come to the door and talk.

We'd be having our nightly talk on the weekends or during the day or whatever. And Crispin would chime in and we'd be like, yo, get the fucking way from the door, dude. Go back to your fucking bed. And essentially, that's what it became is like it was just a bunch of dudes. We know we're making kites, milk crates with pieces of sheet attached to it, sliding under doors communicating with each other of shit that we couldn't talk about on the deer. And just crashing out on each other. We only went out for wreck once during the.

weekend when we were all in the cage like that so then slipping cuffs became a thing some people were leaving the program some people weren't some people were staying in phase two so we had dudes slipping their cuffs off starting fights in the wreckyard beating the shit out of each other then prison lawsuits came up i got big into the realm of that and hearing about how much money you can make off these assholes for just complete negligence um almost got into a fight with the c o or two just because, yo, yeah, I'm in a box all day, bro. So like any slight disrespect would lose it. Get on the phone finally in this new program.

The girl found a new guy. It's crazier than that, but she found a new guy and she no longer wants to be involved with me. Went through the whole psychological stage of dealing with that again and, you know, took it out on those guys in that unit. but a lot of them were there for me through that and they were like, yo, you got this, you're good,

you're going to go home soon, a lot of us have more time than you, don't stress it out. But you didn't try to escape this time. There's no way I could escape. You're not getting out of walker, dude. The only way you're getting out of walker is in a body bag or a fucking, I don't know,

if you put yourself in a CEO's skin. You know what I mean, dude? So, got through that, everything was straight, and one day we kind of had like a bond all of us so all of us were like

you know riot was constantly trying to regress back to phase one because once you fuck up and catch another ticket you're going right back to northern so at one point it was me Janito riot this dude Shah we were all chilling we were like the crew and we were like bro let's just keep ourselves

out of trouble so we can get back to general population so one day they popped ourselves hey you guys are going to phase three riot almost freaked out he's like what do you mean we're going to phase three phase three's going to be here nah we're going to walker walker uh not walker garner and garner's the mental health prison so riot's like i'm not fucking going there and pretty much the ceos and the captain had to convince us to get out of the cells they were about to do a four-way extraction between the all of us because we were saying no and they're like listen we're either going to go

to Garner have more have more things to do because you're progressing and your guys is level in AS or you're going back to Northern and essentially have nothing. Okay, you got it. Went there and they stuck us in the mental health prisons box on the bottom tier. I go in there and it's a box. There's no shelves. There's literally a bed. And I'm like, where are we putting our property? Because now, mind you, we're getting more property now that we're progressing through the levels.

My first question, everybody's like, oh, where's this property? Where's this? Why can I have this? It says via this fucking handbook, inmate handbook. And all the while I'm like, bro, they're going to flood us. I was like, their mental health patients up there. And this is where they go when they're bad. They're going to fucking flood us.

First day. I'm there, wake up in the morning. I hear a waterfall. They're flooding us. It became a normal thing for them to flood us, and there was no way we can get to them to beat them up. Riot wanted to whoop their ass. Like, you catch riot out the cell.

He was pulling one of them out of the shower. That's how bad it was. Well, everything was good. They gave us styrofoam cups to put our property bags on, our property boxes on, out of control, whatever. It worked. So everything's cool. I got a radio.

now I'm chilling. I don't call home anymore because I have nobody to call. Don't really want to talk to anybody out there. Mail is completely light at this point. Around this time, I think I hit the 18 month mark of when I was supposed to get out originally. So that was like a, you know, at this point, I'm starting to learn more politics of the CEOs in Connecticut, which ones are okay people and which ones are just complete maggots. at one point there was a CEO. I won't say his name because I'm not, I don't know. He's a negative person and I don't want that motherfucker ever, God forbid I ever go back, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I heard what you said about me on that podcast. Well, Riot had a history with him and Riot was like, oh yeah, the first opportunity I get, I'm meeting that dude up.

And I was just like, hey, man, you shouldn't, but you got another six years. So who am I to tell you anything? You know what I'm saying? I'm just a pastor by. So at one point, we come out, at this point, we can come out for chow now. So we can come out for meals and our rec once a weekend. We come out, that CEO starts talking shit to riot.

Riot goes to the bubble. Now, it's not a regular bubble. It's almost like a, it's almost like a desk, like a triangular desk with like computers and the openers and stuff, but there's nothing protecting the COs. Right, goes over and sits on the top of the desk. And another CO that CO's training comes up to him. And Wright says, you come any closer? I'm going to punch him right in his face.

And he's pointing to the other CEO. You should have seen the look on the CO's face. He's like, oh, my God. And I'm sitting there eating. And I'm like, bro, this is going to be so bad. So at one point or another, I'm not going to lie, man I kind of did the bitch thing and I was like you know what dude they were telling all us to lock up and at one point I was like guys like I really not trying to make this shit any

worse like from where I went to now like I'm really not like I just want to go home you know what I mean and they're all cool all my boys right and all them were like Lou go lock up like we're not judging you you don't hold no fucking you know I'm pretty sure they were part of a gang at one point one or two of them whatever they didn't hold me to it and I thought that was super dope because prison has that mentality of, oh, this person did this when this happened. They're a bitch, you know what I mean? They didn't do that.

I winded up locking up. They extracted all my boys to phase one. So I had to watch all my boys pretty much get beat up by the cops and brought back to phase one. It was all love. I stayed in phase three by myself, besides this other dude came. Cambridge, really cool, graphic novel guy.

Me and him always swap stories and shit. He's no longer here. Rest in peace, Cambridge, twist. And then one day they popped my cell and they said, you're free. You're going. You're leaving. Even with the charges pending? Well, I was free to go back to general population.

I got you there. I wanted to trick you. You're going to McDougal. And I was like, oh, that's cool. At this point, I'm like, I'm going to be around people again. You know what I mean? You're still just pending at this point? Yeah. Well, so my lawyers, he said we're going to play the long game in the sentencing.

I'm just going to keep pushing it out away from the scenario that happened because it was big news when it happened. And when it's big news, the last thing you want to do is start talking about deals and plea bargains. You know what I mean? So by getting him, he pretty much was like, we're going to push this as far away back from the event as possible. So that way it's almost like, oh, that thing? I go to McDougal I run into a lot of people I met off the streets in some of the worst places

so I'm back into the groove of things I'm back into the swing but this time now I got stripes I just left a bad situation no different than the gang unit no different than anything that they put me in the ticket block huge tier people with huge time on it

I wind up in this kid Eric Sell from Bridgeport. He paralyzed a kid during a drug deal gone bad. He's sniffing well buterin and he's into electronic. So he's breaking down 10 people's CD players for cash and fucking sending them back. He's putting remotes on the see-through TVs and stuff. Like he was super cool. Yo, what up, man?

What's good? He's like, what do you do? I'm like, I've been getting into art lately. I'm huge into art. Oh, yeah? Bro, I got a fucking gun in here right now. I could put it together in five minutes. First night I'm tattooing them.

We're sniffing Will Buterin. Like, dude, it was just, it was right back to where I was running it. I was ripping and running again. Just this time I was in a jail cell. At one point or another, they changed my cell up or whatnot because he got into it with some dude. And that's how I learned that there was a rat on the tier. They threw him pretty much for the wolves. He owed somebody.

and he pretty much told the dude I you're a ripper you're not getting paid fuck off sent him packing the next day he's out of my cell he dab me up we exchange info so now I'm gonna sell by myself again and I come to learn that like damn you got to enjoy the sellies that you do have that are cool because now you're subject to having anybody in yourself and where I was you're not allowed to do that if a punk comes in your cell which a punk being somebody that's either gay or there for a weird charge, you have to get them out of your cell, even if that means you going back to the box.

If I go to the box, I'm going back to phase one. Yeah, that system that they had, I'm still high security. My badge is still green just like the jumpsuit I just got out of. You understand what I'm saying? So I'm in tans,

but I'm high security. Wind up in a cell with this guy, this Spanish guy, I don't remember his name. walked in his cell he's like oh you do tattoos poppy yeah yeah i'm like hell yeah bro i'll hook you up bro like i just learned how to do all this shit so you gotta give me a minute it takes me longer to put the gun together but yeah i got you oh word yo i eat every night everything's gonna be good i'm like we're eating every night cool that means i have to do less art because that way i could fucking

just add what i could to the meal and he's cool with it cool oh yeah what do you here for i told him i escape he like er escape ha ha ha ha jajajajaj Like just laughing at me. You know what I mean? Whatever. I figured it. I got a lot of it afterwards because people in certain conditions are like, dude, I would have fucking did 10 of those bids that you escaped from. Whatever.

I always got a kick in the ass for it. It's funny at this point. It happened a long time ago. It's not as traumatic as it was in the beginning. So at one point or another, yo, he's like, oh, yeah, this is what I'm here for. He hands me a newspaper article. Bro. I remember reading.

three lines saying that when the cops got to the scene, they were slipping and sliding over the blood in the kitchen. He was in there for some crazy shit. Nothing sexual or nothing weird, but crazy violent. Like he was, I forgot what he was part of. I want to say he was a king, but he might have been like a Serrano. I don't know his story like that. I never went that deep. I was told and trained not to go that deep. So shit starts getting weird with him in the cell where he starts getting agitated, like he gets agitated out of nowhere. Like, oh, don't do this.

Or, oh, oh, when you do this, don't do this too. Or, you know what I'm saying? Or I feel like he almost expected me to hang out with him outside of the cell, but I wasn't like that. Like, if I fuck with you heavy, that's how you would know because I would hang around you outside of the cell

when we wrecked. No, I didn't chill with him at all. He had his people he went to. I had my people that I chilled and played cards with or sold art to. well at one point or another this kid named geo came in and it's funny because

Gio works right across the street for me to this day he works at a job right across the street and it's funny he's from New Britain this kid comes in bro and he's fucking hilarious the kid's funniest kid I ever met in my life yells through the doors

calls Cio's faggates like dude he's hilarious though he's unhinged um he got kicked out of a gang for beating up people in the gang. They had him in as an enforcer. And once he started not doing what they told him, they tried to put the muscle on him,

but he was the muscle. So I always loved his story because it was like, dude, like, he would be like, yo, fuck a gang. Like, this is what I've said to, like, big members and shit. Like, they want to touch me bad, but, like, they literally had me in the gang for whooping people's asses. So, like, how do you out muscle the muscle besides kill? them you know what I mean um so whatever I wind up saying yo I'm gonna get a cell switch I've

never done it before outside of like the first time I ever went to prison so it was super hard but I wind up getting in GOSO bro we were having a blast dude we were making pruno we're uh he he got these pills these ibs pills I don't know if you know what IBS is irritable bowel syndrome but so he like smoking dust and like doing e-pills and getting fun up outside in the world so he's like yo i got these ibs pills these little little pills right he's like bro you take like 10 of them bro you start tripping and i'm like all right like get him he's like all right watch i'm gonna get him he had a real slick way of getting or whatever he wanted from the doctor he was prescribed well butcher and all that bro i remember one day he came up to me during wreck and he's like

here take these and i was like damn it's like 14 pills i take them all take them all bro at that point after that night that I took those pills I was like you know what dude I think I want to be sober I think I want to do the sober thing because those pills the way they made me feel I was like nah they're doing something real real bad to you like I couldn't read words that were this close to me I was like nah dude these things I'm not doing no more whatever we used to sell them and shit and it was cool because we'd get shaken down it would literally be on the sleeves they gave us for medication and they'd be like oh we know there's something in here they're looking under the sleeve of what we're selling so it was funny well i didn't know this but geo had a way of getting money

without getting money and that was figuring out who's on the block and pretty much charging them to live on the block so me and him used to swipe IDs prison IDs well because you need to have it when you're out and about on the tier, we would either ask people for them or get them, and we just charge them rent. So we had people that were Rippers. I remember this one time there was this kid that came to the unit who buzzed around us for a little bit too longer when we were already into the mix of this, and we were like, get his name.

He told us his name in fucking five minutes. So, Gio, he would call his girl home. All right, run the math on him. that kid was there for a whole slew of drug charges out of Hartford and he got caught prostituting a 15-year-old girl. So the night before we were like, all right, let's see what else we can get out of him before we tell him what it is.

So we were like, you got CDs? You got CDs? CD player? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Lewis, you want to use my CD player? Yeah, everything. Everything you can give us. Yeah, straight.

We're going to sell. I want to say it was a day or two later. yo you guys gonna slide over anything we sat him down we're like bro this is what it is bro you can't do that to me like i'm part of the solids like blah blah blah we're like yeah well that doesn't mean that doesn't stand for shit right now your position is you could either pack your shit up and leave and go to the box and have them put you somewhere else or you could fight one of us and you don't want to fight one of us because it would be two on one and or me or him could whoop your ass that's it and we would

and we would probably wind up celebrating about it after we did it for what your charges are. So he brought his dad down. His dad was a maintenance guy. And he was like, I'm going to bring my dad down here. He's a fucking solid. We were like, bring a fucking dad down here. We don't care, dude. Bring him down.

Bro, his dad was there the next day with the CEO. I couldn't believe. I was like, oh, this dude got juice. He's coming down to, he's coming down to areas and shit in the jail where you don't, you don't just get to go to different. places in jail you know what i'm saying you wait you the ceo brings you and just by chance unless it's like going to like church or something you know what i mean so this dude's dad comes up to me he's like yo it's a math what's going on i said i don't know you ask your son what he's here's uh you ask your son what he's here for nah blah la la he said this that and the third that's not what he's

here for i literally seen a grown man tell his son you're no longer my son and walk away from them but you know we would do 75 dollars a week we didn't let them eat at all we i think there was one or two that i think at one point i gave like a soup or two two at one point because like just because like i don't know mean from where i was to where i was like then now it was like here like here's a soup it's slop night here's a soup of their of their money but it's like dude you do that shit to children you put i don't even like people that put their hands on woman but i know that it happens sometimes and like i know that like i've been close to put my hands on a woman so i could relate but anything with children anything with rape anything with child pornography

like no no you're dead to rights you're your your food you know what i'm saying uh start to get that mentality and then the last part is uh one day i get called out by name while I'm on the tear and Q-Pod. I'm getting called out by name. And I'm like, what the fuck? I haven't seen anybody I know in a while. I know everybody that comes here. Yo, you're guns's cousin.

And I'm like, how the fuck do you know that? I don't ever talk about my cousin guns in jail. Because in jail, you don't tell people who you know because there might be the potential that they'll tee off on you because they're ops. You know, that's just the dynamic. I was taught to think smarter than to tell people who my family is and who I involved myself with. Well, he turns out to be a lifer, like a big-time lifer out of state,

got caught with two bodies in his trunk type shit. Real cool dude named Noah, Noah Gladys. I love him to death, like a brother. One of the most clear-minded people I've ever met in my life for the cards that he's been dealt. He pulls up his shirt and he's like, your cousin did this to me. me huge devil fucking i don't even know like a huge devil piece on his back like it looked like it took months to do i'm like oh shit and essentially throughout the rest of my time there he looked out for me um at one point geo had left and it was just me and i was back to not really

having much in jail so i was tattooing people on the free time made it cool with some ceos that let me do it so i was like wow dude that's cool looking in the door and shit and and letting me know when the bad COs are coming through. And yeah, man, it just became one of those things where, like, jail became, like, a normal thing. And, like, I just remember one day thinking about it. I was, like, I'm sipping my pruno. I think it was, like, New Year's or Christmas Eve. And I was just, like, dude, like, it's fucked, man.

Like, I could live here forever at this point because it's like... You got comfortable. Super comfortable. Like, almost comfortable to the extent where it's, like, ah, like, I could do five years. No problem. And I was prepping myself. for that. I was literally prepping myself for that amount of time. Like, I was like, fuck it. If I'm gonna be the Q-Pod guy for a while, I might as well have fun while I'm doing it. I was on the,

anything that I did wouldn't do anything but put me right back to where I came from. So I became numb to it. So at one point, I didn't want to go back to phase one. And then at one point or another, I said, oh, whatever. I'm gonna get out eventually. I don't care. I've already been through the worst of it. what's the worst that could happen? So what ends up happening? How much time do you get for the case? I winded up getting, I got called into court one day,

and my attorney brought me into the little room with the locked door and was like, I have some really good news for you. They want to give you a real good deal. And I said, what? They want to give you 19 months. And I was like, what? 19 months? I was like, hell yeah, bro.

Like, that's what? Like a little bit with the time. I had left from the 18th months or whatever or something like that. I don't know. It was close to almost two years. You know what I'm saying? So I was like, yeah, bro, fucking slide it. And he's like, no, Louis.

No, no, no, no. They're going to run it concurrent. And I'm like, how did you do that? And he's like, bro, the crime of passion. He's like, it was over a girl. You didn't escape because you were dodging new charges or anything, dude. And like, technically they caught you in four hours. He's like, I told you.

you this is the route we should take and you're a patient but yeah he's like that's where you're going to cop out to and i believe it was either 19 months ran concurrent or 15 months ran concurrent but they counted it from the day that i caught the charge so mind you the three months i was already in for it didn't count but regardless i did it so early on it didn't fucking matter so i was like yeah dude like like dude when i got sentenced for that charge dude i had the biggest smile on my face because like the judge even acknowledged that he's like this could have went real bad He said, this could have went real fucking bad for you if it went a different way. Like, he's like, if you would have been out for a little bit longer or you would have went to another state and became another person's problem, we'd be asking for a lot more.

Like, the minimum's five. But considering the fact of you leaving from a level two facility, not hurting anybody, giving back the car, explaining in a full detail what you did, we're going to look out. And on top of it, you really haven't gotten in that much trouble. and I'm like, dude, anybody that gets in trouble with A.S. It's either you're hitting a cop or you're fucking stabbing somebody. And I'm not that type of person. You know what I mean? So, yeah, I went back to QPod with the good news to my boys

and they were just so excited for me. And, you know, it was bittersweet telling my boy Noah because he's never getting out. But he was still happy about it for me. He was still like, you deserve to be out, bro. Like, it's your life. Like, calmest dude I ever met, lifer. and like he had a routine and he just wanted to bid that's it he wanted to be able to call home to his family but there was one point where he definitely almost crashed out on a guy and he was like i'm gonna kill him

for i'm gonna kill him for you getting out dude like i'm gonna kill him for you and guns tell guns i did it for him and i'm like at the door like dude no you you're gonna go to a different state you're gonna go it all over again. Don't do that. You know what I mean? But he didn't, and he didn't crash out, and I talked him off that, like, ledge. And I'm really glad I did because, like, even though his life is essentially not a full life, I still took somebody that was about to make a... When you need to build up your team to handle the growing chaos at work, use Indeed sponsor jobs. It gives your job post the boost it needs to be seen and helps reach people with the right skills, certifications and more.

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Actual mileage and range may vary. Bad decision and made them choose the better half. You know what I mean? And that means a lot to me, and I know that meant a lot to him. That's what matters, you know? How old were you when you got out of prison? When I got out of jail, let's see, I got out of jail. I got out of jail in 2020 at the top of it.

Right before COVID. So I got out and COVID started. It's funny because I remember I remember being on my bunk in Kupod and my bunkies TV was going off and they were like, Donald Trump's trying to stop anybody coming in from China. And I'm like, yeah, that's smart to do if that's where it's coming from. but they were like still talking about students and people that need to I was like it's gonna come in here like there's no doubt about it and sure is shit I came out February 2019 no or 2000 wasn't it was either 19 or 20 I came out dude no it had to have been 20 because 19 would have been too soon 2020 I got out dude got out probably hit like three bars dude and then they were like yep everything's closed up live with my friend Zach and

At this point, I had gotten off my, I had gotten on medication while I was in there for anti-depression, and I stopped taking them. And I shouldn't have stopped taking them. I should have weaned off of them. So then I went through a mental lapse with that, went into some toxic relationships, wound up in some car accidents, one got flipped with one chick, you know, a whole bunch of horrible stuff. The girl who I had a son with that left me in prison got into some of the same.

something bad with the person that she winded up getting pregnant with so many moving parts dude and so much of a mess um and then it all leads up to 2003 um i had just got an apartment above my cousin guns's apartment um i'm working full time at a restaurant where we're just being complete degenerates where we're working i'm seeing my kids here and there but not as much as i should still drinking heavy still partying but not doing any of the i'm working i'm pretty much gambling and drinking um i'm on and off with uh the mother of my child the one that left me in jail at this point but we're not really dealing with each other it's rough she's gone through a lot i have i get a call june uh june 16th of

2003 and uh i i got a call that uh my mom was shot in the head um and waterberry while living with my cousin. I take an Uber to go to the hospital. She was on life support, essentially. She had a pipe in her throat, and they were keeping her alive. And, you know, guns pulled up. My boy Joey in the next room, he pulled up.

All my A1s pulled up because I wasn't big family-oriented. And, you know, she came up, the girl that left me. She pulled up because she always held my mom to a higher standard. And, you know, it was a real emotional a few days for me. My mom was a C&A and she loved taking care of people at one point of her life. And she was completely unconscious, but her body was there. Her body was pushing through, you know. But she always told me that if anything like that ever happened to her, do the right thing.

I don't want to live like that. her. So she was a donor and I made the choice. I believe it was the end of the first day that I was there that I wanted to take her off life support and try to use her organs to help somebody that might need them because that's what she always wanted to do. She always wanted to help people and be there for people because she's a gangster. And so I did that. I was right next to her and I didn't leave her side and they pulled the tube from her and she kept breathing and she kept living and I sat in a hospital room with her I didn't leave people checked in came and went got me stuff and um August 20th me and her my mom was very big into African American culture uh you know

comedies she loved medias she loved DMX my mom loved DMX my mom loved little Wayne like big into that culture I didn't find rock music until I was in like upstate New York later on my life my mom was hood as hood as it went gangster to the fullest degree and I remember me and her were watching a I think we were watching a medea movie and um I was sitting there going through my phone just holding her talking to her and the sound went off and she left and that was just so

fucking crazy to me you know because it's just like dude that was the only person that ever understood me that like cared enough about me to talk to me about anything who like cared like no matter what was always there my bottom girl like I could always go to her for

anything and she'll make it happen whether it was boosting or you know lying you know she's got me out of so much and has done so much for me and like it's just one of those things where it's like I still struggle today without her having her in my life um sorry for a loss man yeah um but uh I winded up staying back with the girl who left me in jail and she took me in and about I don't know a week or two later she found out she was pregnant again we were expecting a new baby

and I don't know if it was like a weird it was just a weird thing man I just after my mom left I didn't want to do anything bad ever again um so that brings me to the past two years where I've been doing everything differently I invest in my children and I'm a full-time dad I'm now a full-time worker going on two years at a place that makes parts for Sikorsky in Connecticut, I don't know if you're familiar, but they make parts for planes and black hawks and stuff like that. And I'm a quality inspector for that now. I've had some stuff pop up here and there, you know, stuff pertaining to the relationship and, you know, stuff going on with that.

But I feel like I haven't broke my pace of moving forward in my life and creating a better environment for me and my children. children so that's cool and now I'm just steadily trying to get back into art because when I got out in 2020 I started tattooing real time and I wound up in a shop with my cousin for a while and then I'd put it down and I'm just so inconsistent now that he doesn't even fucking he's like ah if you're gonna be around be around but like just do your thing that's all I care if you're gonna do a tattoo just show up for it but um now I'm in full-time work and I'm just trying to balance everything man a lot of moving parts.

Takes time. I mean, routine from prison, that kind of what got me into where I am now, man, is getting in the routine. And after you do it, after you do the routine enough times, the days just go by themselves. You're just there. You know what I mean? So I got a real healthy dynamic going on. I still keep probably like my five day one still with me, you know, do it in the other

room. I've known for 20 years. He was back in Bristol in that. garage i used to go and smoke out when my mom used to give me mid slapboxing me you know beating my ass and shit like bro i just i if in my life if you're there for everything and we're still cool and we could still be proud of each other and go towards more positive shit like that's all i need you know that's me that's how i perceive things now because before i would just let anybody around me and now that I have kids and now that I'm living in my like meaning like if you ain't part of my

meaning like I'll dapp you up and wish you the best but you ain't staying and part of it you know what's one thing you wish you could go back in time and tell your 15 year old self uh honestly the one thing would be to love my mom more and listen to my mom more and that's two things but that's the two biggest things because I took her for granted all those times that I ran out and thought selfishly to try to look cool to other people

and I'm sure she knows now. You know, I'm not a huge believer in God but I believe in a higher power and I'm sure she like is looking down right now super happy and super impressed while I'm doing how I'm gangster and through life just like she would have, you know? Definitely.

Well, Lou, thanks so much for coming on the show today. I appreciate it. Yeah. Thanks for having me. You did great telling your story. Yeah, I mean, so I'm used to, like, seeing you ask questions back and forth and a little bit more feedback. No, the best episodes are when I don't have to talk. Yeah, you like those ones.

People love us. Yeah, I mean, this is my thing is that, like, I've been telling this story, like, the jail and the escape and the AS part for so long that, like, you could obviously see I've been telling this story for so long because it just comes out. But it's like, I'm so tired of telling the story that, like, it's cool, like, that when this video is made, I could just give them a link and be like, hey, this is my story. No, you did really good, man. You did good. But, yeah, man, I really enjoyed being on here. And I'm looking forward to some of your more, some of the other content.

I'm going to give you my links to give people. Yeah, we'll put in the description. Yeah, I just, my personal one is just me and my kids. So if maybe I want to check up and see how I'm doing in my life. And then I got the tattoo shop with my cousin. You could go check out and see guns in real life. He's always doing dope art. And then I'm going to do my clothing line one.

because, hey, I plan on dropping some new stuff. If anybody's interested, a real big focus around skateboarding and rap, you know, real big into the culture in general. And, you know, we get loopy. You know what I'm saying? Me and my cousin get loopy.

We know some dudes from BSF and stuff like that, Benny the Butcher and all that. So we deal with people that deal with them. So we're always trying to expand. So as far as being able to let me do that, I appreciate that as well, and I'm sure guns would too. I'm sure that somebody you could look into for an interview. He's got quite the story.

Who guns? Yeah, my cousin. Tell him to come on, man. Oh, absolutely. I'd love to have guns on. I'm calling them right after this. Yeah, tell him to let's get something scheduled. Hell yeah.

That'd be fun. Absolutely, man.