Locked In with Ian Bick - I Robbed Child Predators — Then I Went to Prison | Giancarlo Daniele

Episode Date: March 5, 2026

Giancarlo Daniele was just an 18-year-old high school senior in Massachusetts when he created fake online profiles to hunt down and catfish alleged predators, but his vigilante operation quickly spiraled out of control. What started as a mission to expose dangerous men while making quick money escalated into severe extortion and kidnapping charges, completely derailing his life and dropping him straight into the brutal reality of the justice system. _____________________________________________ #IanBick #LockedIn #jailstories #TrueCrime #Catfish #PrisonLife #PrisonStories #ConMan _____________________________________________ Thank you to GOLD DROP SELTZERS for sponsoring this episode: Head to https://www.thedryoak.com/ and use promo code LOCKEDIN at checkout for 10% off your order. _____________________________________________ Connect with Giancarlo Daniele: http://cursusvictoria.com _____________________________________________ Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ _____________________________________________ Shop Locked In Merch: http://www.ianbick.com/shop _____________________________________________ Timestamps: 00:00 The Vigilante Idea That Started Everything 01:15 Growing Up in the Suburbs with Strict Values 05:55 Ambitious Teen with Too Much Energy 09:58 Making Real Money as a Teen 14:52 When Attention Turned Into Bad Decisions 17:47 Fights, Gambling, and Getting a Reputation 23:44 Catfishing Predators and Robbing Them 30:28 The Night Police Came for Me 34:39 Fighting the Case in Court 39:44 Surviving My First Days in Jail 42:48 The Reality of Jail Nobody Talks About 45:50 The Humbling Moment That Changed Me 50:42 What Prison Was Actually Like 53:33 The Turning Point That Kept Me Out of Trouble 55:35 Using My Story to Help Others 57:01 Responding to Critics 58:58 Final Thoughts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I just wanted leverage for extortion. I wanted leverage. I wanted to know, this guy's going to pay me. Giancarlo Danieli was an 18-year-old high school student when he started creating fake online profiles to hunt down alleged predators. What began as a vigilante mission quickly spiraled into something much darker, to extortion charges a kidnapping case and a crash course with the brutal reality of the justice system. So I grew up in Springfield, Mass, on 705 Sunday Avenue, not the nicest area, but when I turned nine, I moved to Wilberham, and that's like the suburbs of Springfield.

So it's a nice area, you know, it really is nice, but as far as, um, it's very clicky, right, it's very political out in Wilberham, very white, right? And I like it. I mean, I love where I lived, right um but like i said i just uh i feel like springfield would have been a better fit for me looking looking at all the trouble i got into what did your parents do for work my mother's a stay-at-home mom my dad owns his own landscaping company and i'm landscaping so he does all right my dad so do you think you grew up wealthy middle class middle class but i never put like this i never was starving i never was starving the heat was always on the bills were always paid i lived a great life my father always took care of us and always will you know what i mean so i can't uh i i couldn't be blessed with greater

parents. So I grew up pretty good. What were some values they instilled in you? Well, a kid. Great. That's good. I like that. When you were young, before you got into trouble. Yes, yes. Well, hustle, right? I mean, my dad always taught me to show up, right? You always have to show up no matter what. And you got to show up for your friends. A lot of people nowadays, they don't want to show up for others. They're selfish. I'm the kind of guy. I take it to the hoop for my friends. I don't care if I get foul. I don't care what happens to me. I'll take it to the hoop for my friends. Right. So those are two things, you know, loyalty, you know, hustle. these are things that my father really taught me, you know, over the course of my life.

And just to like, you know, I grew up from an Italian family, right? So never to be a rat, right? And that's a big thing that a lot of people, they don't care about. You got these guys who act all tough. But again, I'm not saying, I'm not knocking anybody, right? But me personally, I would never embarrass my parents, never embarrass my ancestors being a rat. You'll never see my name on a 302. Not to say, listen, got what you got to do, but that will never, ever be me, never.

Do you think you still have that mindset only because you're so young still? No, no, because I just, I don't think, right, looking at it from a criminal justice point of view, okay, if me and you are committing crimes together, but they want you, they don't want me, I don't think it's fair that I can go and tell on you and I go home or I get a lesser sentence and you get more of a sentence. I don't believe that that's fair. I don't believe that that's just and I think it's an abomination of the justice system. I really do. It's an abomination. I mean, that's not fair, I don't think. Now, do you think the guys that have done that historically had that same mindset as you and then changed it along the way? Well, you know, like people do say, though, everyone talks a big game till you're facing life, right? I'd like to think that that wouldn't be me, right? That would never be me. And again, I'm not involved in nothing like that anymore.

But the point is, that will never be me. And I say that now and I can say that confidently. Like I said, I, I, but you make a good point, right? I don't think Sammy the Bull was saying he was going to be a rat, right? I don't think they, they, they, thought no one thinks that until it actually happens. I'd like to say confidently because of my upbringing, because I would ever want to, it's not about me and it's about my parents, it's about my uncle. It's about my grandfather, my great-grandfather. I will never be labeled an informant or a rat. It'll never happen. But I guess on the flip side, you know that you're not going to put yourself in that position to even become a rat. Exactly. I guess that's what the mean difference is. Exactly. When you want to roll the bones, fuck around and find out, right? That's what happens. When you

fuck around, you find out. Yeah, I mean, I have an issue with the guys that sign up willingly to do it, and then they don't want to, you know, deal with the consequences. Yeah, right, exactly. That's never been me. You know, that's ever been me. Now, as a kid, how were you? Like, 7, 8, 9 year old? I was nuts. Okay. I was a little headcase. Um, one thing about me at those ages, and it wasn't until I got older, like from 7, 8, 9. I played organized sports. You know, I was never, but I was never a leader. I was never a leader. I was always a follower as a kid.

I was kind of goofy. I had a big head. I probably still had a big head now, right? But I had this little coconut head. I had a little buzz cut. I looked Spanish, right? So, but I was very shy. I was very uncomfortable.

I'm very unsure of myself. You know what I mean? And, you know, again, I had friends. I wasn't like, you know, sitting at home, you know, in my bed watching, you know, door of the explorer. But I wasn't a leader and I felt very, I don't want to say we're insecure, but insecure. Were you bullied? No, never was bullied.

It was an internal issue. It was an internal issue. It was more like, damn, like, I'm not sure of myself. Like, is my fucking head huge? I mean, people talk about my head. I've come to make comedy of it. But the point is, yeah, I mean, it's not so much that I got bullied, right? It was more or less to, like, I'm like, damn, I'm like, how are other people?

I always was thinking about what other people are doing, right? Well, what are other people doing? What are other people like? And I never actually looked at myself and I've looked inside here, never, ever. Do you think that mind tech got you into trouble? That's exactly what got me in the trouble. Give us the first example of that. Well, I didn't know where I stood, right?

I was making, and I started my first company at 16 years old, GCD Network. I was 16 years old. I was a sophomore in high school, all right? And I started consulting for some really big people that, you know, in the mass GOP, the mass Republican Party, a guy, Brian Levine out in New Jersey, great guy, former mayor Franklin Township, former freeholder in Somerset County. And these people really liked me. But my peers were not so impressed by that. That's great. some 60-year-old grandma who watches Fox News is obsessed with me,

but, you know, little Jody, who I've had a crush on my entire life, doesn't give too Fox, right? So I thought to myself, you know, where do I fit in as a person, right? Where do I fit in? And I did some really risky behaviors. I don't want to use the word to gain attention, but initially it started off to gain attention to build that security. Eventually, once they got rolling, and once people knew who I was and knew I was about it,

then it just was who I was, right? But initially, it didn't start off that way. It started off as I want attention. I'm able to see me. And that was really, really stupid of me to do. How'd you get into that business at that age? Politics? Yeah.

Well, I've had this principle my entire life. The way to make money is to solve problems, right? A lot of people want to sit there. I mean, I'm not saying pizza shops don't make money because maybe they're solving a problem of feeding hungry people. But when there's a common problem for political candidates or for businesses or for whatever you're in, and if you can provide value or a solution to that problem, you're you're going to be a millionaire.

So I seen that people were really lacking a lot of the older folks that running for office. They didn't know how to use social media. And they weren't good salesmen. One thing about me, I can honestly tell you, I'm an excellent salesman. I'm an excellent salesman. People, when I talk, they listen, right?

And I think that a lot of politicians, they're not so persuasive, I don't think. I think a lot of these politicians, a lot of people running for office, they're not that persuasive. So you got a guy like me, hey, listen, maybe you stay away from that. Give it, you know, try it my way.

Right? So that's kind of why I, that's kind of the value I think I provided to these people at such a young age. But why would they trust you? I'm sure there's plenty of older people doing social media for that. That's a great question. Why would they trust me? Because you're 16 years old got a little baby face. I still got a little baby face, right? Why would they trust me? Because initially I had no idea what I was doing. I'm not going to lie to you. I had no fucking clue what I was doing. But another thing my father taught me is to show up, right? You got to show up, show up and show out. And eventually you will learn. So initially, I was just going through the motions, right? I had no idea.

I looked this stuff up. I would talk about that we have done kind of what I did. I had no idea. But eventually people started saying, wow, okay, you're doing a good job. And I'm like, well, this worked. So I'm going to do this again. I'm going to post five rules at this time and eight reels at this time. And oh, let's get him to reach out to the county, GOP in his county.

Right. So I figured out what worked. I created an algorithm. I created a rhythm. And I just stuck with it. And good things happened until I got arrested. So when you start this business, are you still in high school? Yeah, I was a sophomore in high school.

But like still actively attending? Yep, yep. And what was your plan for the future to just be an entrepreneur or were you going to finish high school and go to college? Well, my parents wanted me to be a lawyer because I'm a good speaker. So, but again, it's not so much that. I mean, they wanted me to be a lawyer. I didn't really want to be a lawyer, right? In another life, my friend, I'm going to be honest with Ian, I'd be a high school teacher, right?

That's something I always wanted to do as a kid. I mean, granted teachers don't make shit, right? but I like helping people. I like teaching people stuff that I've been through, that I've learned that I've experienced. I want to save them the headaches and I want to, you know what I mean? Save them the aggravation.

Here's what happened to me. This is what you should do to not go through that, right? So, you know, again, that I have any plans to go to college? Absolutely not. I thought what I was doing was fantastic. I was making good money and I was a sophomore in high school and I was blowing it quicker than I, quicker than I was getting it in, right?

But when you have nothing, you're more motivated to make more money. I've always been, you know, that's kind of been my philosophy. Like, damn, you blow it to zero, right? You're going to be out there hustling. Okay, well, I got to make this. I got to do this. I got to do this, right?

So, but I was making money, but I was blowing it as soon as it came out. What's something you know now that you wish you knew then at the time when you were running your business? Don't sell too hard. If people like you, they're going to like you. There's nothing you can say that's going to make them like you. And I would come home and I'd think about it.

And I'd be on the phone, I'd hang up the phone. I'd be like, wow, like, I should have said this. I should have come with her hair, right? I should have, you know, hyped up this guy's ego. But it's really not about that. It's if they like you and they trust you

and you can deliver for them, which I have done time and time and time again, that's all they need. If they don't like you, you're on, pick up the phone and start dialing, right? If they don't like you, you call somebody else.

You're not going to sell, if you can't, if they don't like you, that's where it ends. You're not going to sell yourself them. You want to, they have questions about the product. That's fine.

But they don't like you. Fuck you next. Fuck you. you next until someone says, I love you, let's work together, right? That's kind of been my mindset. Now before starting this business, did you get into trouble at all? Never. Nothing, no issues. That was a fucking, I was a model. I was a soccer referee. For you, for little kids, I was, I was a role model for younger people. Role model. I would volunteer. I would work for all these people that, city counselors. I used to stuff envelopes for Sheriff Nick Cochie when I was 12 years.

I was a do-gooder. I was, I was a do-gooder. I really was. So what happens? How do you in the crime. Well, I'm going to be honest. You know, when I turned 17 years old, I had a really, really bad mental health episode, very bad. And I don't know what it is to this day. I've overcome it, but it was definitely anxiety. But my junior high school, I would make myself puke in the morning because I didn't want to go to school, which I thought was strange because I didn't mind school, right? But I don't know if it was anxiety or what? Because sometimes you subconsciously have anxiety. You know what I mean? Sometimes it is subconscious. And when I came back, I just, I lost all impulse control.

I wanted to be noticed. Look at me. Look at me. Look at me. And my business wasn't enough. I don't, what is this going to do? So I got a lot of fights when I was a kid. I used to, I mean, where I live, it's very soft. Like I told you, it's very political, very white, but it's very soft.

I was chumping these kids every day, okay? And I'm not proud of it. I'm looking back at it was a dickhead, right? But I was jumping these kids every day and people started noticing. And that, and that's kind of how I got. Bonjour, compadre. It's the... Price line negotiator.

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down that road. So you were jumping them as in beating them up? No, jumping them. Like, just punking these kids over nothing. What would you do? I'd slap them in the face, spit on them right over disagreements. You know what I was, again, I'm a compulsive gambler, so we'd have little bets going on. Or, you know, I used to sell vapes in high school, right?

So you didn't pay me, bap, you know what I mean? I get crazy with them. I would turn it. I would turn up the heat on them. I really would. And you weren't getting in trouble for this? I mean, it's vapes. You know what I'm not?

You're not selling heroin. You know what I mean? For putting your hands on these kids? Oh, I mean, I did it outside of school. I wasn't doing it. You know what I mean? I wasn't doing it in person, you know, in school. I meant that that's stupid, obviously.

I mean, you're right. If I did it in school, it would be different. But outside of it's going to meet me here. You don't have my money, pop. You know what I mean? So that's how I would operate. Now, where do you think you picked this up from? Is this something your dad would do or, you know, a relative or family member?

That's a great question. So, you know, my uncle, my father, very respectable people. You know, if you ask him with the Danieli brothers in Western Mass, they'll tell you. All right? They'll tell you. My father and my uncle were animals. But that's not what my father wanted for me. I'm very close to my uncle.

I'm very close with my dad. And they didn't want that for me, right? But I don't want to say if I had a chip on my shoulder as a kid, but in a way I felt like I did. And my parents, again, they always tell me, stay out of jail, go to college, become a lawyer, drive a Bentley, right? Have a nice wife, having the kids, right? But for some reason, I wanted to be noticed so bad. That's kind of what I heard stories about as a kid. And it wasn't from my uncle or from my dad.

They never told me those stories. It was from other people. That was the craziest thing. You know, a lot of everyone talks a big game, right? But when other people are telling you about yourself or about others, that's how you know they're legit. You know what I mean? Because anyone will tell you I'm great, right? But if other people are telling you that someone's great, they're probably great.

So you're doing this at 17. What happens after that? Well, I kind of ramp it up. I start fucking up with the, I start drinking, right? And I got an office, 191 Chestnut Street downtown. This is where my life went for a, I mean, my life took a turn. because the Mardi Gras was across the street for me. Are you filmed with the Mardi Gras in Springfield, the old Mardi Gras?

No, no, no. You're missing out. But the point is, I was 17, the little 17-year-old baby face, I come in with, you know, 2000, whatever, and I would just be flinging it at strippers, flinging it, flinging it, flinging it. And I didn't know any better, right? I didn't know any better. I was like a, I discovered light. I'm seeing girls, you know, dancing on the stage with lights.

And then they told me up with a VIP room. That was a big mistake. I wish I had that money back, right? But, you know, 1,200 and out, that was crazy, special lab dances. But, you know, then it started getting crazier. Then I started hanging out with certain people and, you know, everyone really wanted to be with me. That's that's kind of what happened, right?

I kind of got too egotistical, right? Because everyone's seen the life I was living, making money, have my own office at 17, going to strip clubs gambling, right? Smoking cigarettes, smoking big cigars, right? I played the role. I played the role. I can't lie to you. I played the role.

And people, people seen that. And they wanted to be friends with me. I'd had all these ass kisses following me around kissing my eyes. Oh, what do you want to do today? Paying for my food. They thought I was like Henry Hill. They, I really, realistically speaking, people, you know how many times been compared to Henry Hill in my life?

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we were hitting the strip clubs and stuff. We weren't even 18, or we had just turned 18, or we would go to hotels with a bunch of money, and they would let us in, even though you had to be 21 to either drink or because it's that money, it makes you successful or seems successful, and people just kind of bend the rules for that.

And older, and older. Yeah, it definitely makes you older. I mean, we would go to hotels where you couldn't get in unless you were 21, and they would let us write in. They would give us booze and everything. That's a lawsuit. I mean, you were getting into strip joints and stuff. Oh, I was crazy.

That was crazy. I know a guy, but like I said, he was a good person. I'm not going to say his name, but the point is he hooked me up over there. And I was living it up, man. But again, I got to my head. It got to my head. And I ended up in a bad predicament. And what was that predicament?

Well, so. My senior high school, I really thought was going to be my year. And it really was. You can ask anyone that was in the class of 2023 at Minichog senior high school. I hate to sound conceited. But I really was that guy. I threw all the parties, the bonfires. I had, you know, I made a couple dollars. I had the vapes. I did okay. But I started this scam And you've seen this show how to catch a predator, yes? Yeah. Okay. So that's what I was kind of doing. I personally was setting up these grown men

who thought they're talking to 14-year-old girls online. And they weren't. They were talking to me, but they didn't know that, right? And some of the guys who would tell them the girl was 14, some they would tell the girl was 19. I just wanted leverage for extortion. Right? I wanted leverage.

I wanted to know, this guy's going to pay me. right this guy's going to pay me my money and all I have and I and I would justify it to myself right I would justify it to myself and say this guy's a pedophile fuck do I care it's a pedophile right looking back at it that was the wrong way to think because I'm not a police officer right I hate pedophiles when you're wrong

but I am nobody to enforce the law I mean I did not go to police academy I don't have a badge I nobody to enforce the law but at the time that was a way that I justified that because it was quick money it was quick it would think about it Chomo pulls up You hop out

You need to me younger And I had a taser I'd come up with a taser And say what are we doing here What are we doing here And they would I'm like, you're talking to my daughter You're talking my sister

I make up or whatever And I'd say listen You know I made up a store I'd say listen Like my sister And my daughter Got thrown out of the house

Right The rent's 2100 I need 2,100 from you We take them to the bank All right, yep 300 300 great beautiful And then come back the next day Give me more

That's how I did it I ended up getting caught You know And I'm like to say I'm what I did I mean I did too right um and that's what i got charged with the two i did um but again like i said at the end of the day i got fucking i got fucked wait why would they come back well because they were i was i was gonna tell

their wife i was going to come to their house and hurt them so you got their idea or something oh i took pictures of their id i took picture of their bank cards i you know i did i did what i did what i did what i did what i did what i did what you using to set this up on so there was a few of them there was okay cupid uh plenty of fish for the main ones we use that in prison really p o f yeah yeah I'd send it. I didn't do, so yeah, DM, POF. All right, so walk us through the beginning on a site. Give us an example with a site and how you'd set this whole thing up. All right.

So what I would do is I'd put on a picture of a young girl online. I'd look up to 12-year-old blonde girl, okay? Or I'd go to someone that I know is Instagram. That's blonde or attractive or brown hair. What I was looking for, right? But that's under the age of 14. Take a picture, post it on the account, and it was that easy. Because a lot of these guys like to hear.

the girl's 14. That's what turns them on. That's what turns a lot of these sickos on, right? That the girl's 14. And like, at the time I was 18, but now I'm 21. And it's like to think about going out with a 14 year old or even a 16 year old as a 21 year old man, it's kind of weird. Like, but some people get off to that, which is concerning to me. Now these guys that are messaging, do they look the same in person as they do in their profile picture? Like, are they using their actual identity? Oh, they had no shame, yeah. So say it's like Brian, so-and-so, they're putting up a picture of himself and he's using the same name when he meets you. Some of them did, yeah. Well, someone would put up the same picture, but not different, different name. Now, do you message them first when you guys

match or they message you? Either or. And what do you say when you message them first? What do you want to have a good time? What do you want to do tonight? You want to have a good time? Right. Shit like that. And these guys would come up and be like, oh, yeah, absolutely. How old are you? 14. Oh, perfect. I'm not going to say what they were. You. I'm not going to say what they were. would say it's very vulgar but let's just say then when they heard the age they were on their way how long are you guys messaging back and forth instantly instantly so you match on a tuesday at two o'clock when are you going to four o'clock they'll be there and they're you know what they look like but they don't know what you look like or they're looking for a picture so where would you guys meet

what's a meeting spot well i'll tell you how i got arrested because i only did two of these for legal reasons but the point is um so there was a street across the street from my house called people would drive. And I was so lazy, Ian. What I would do is I'd come home from high school. It's a long day at high school, smoking cigarettes right outside, you know, slap people playing Don Cheech, right? Whatever. I come home from a day at high school, right? And I take an app. I'd get up. I'd look my phone. Oh, okay. I'd roll a call. I walked across the street. My pajamas in bathrobe. My taser, I'd say, what's the jig? What, what are we doing here? Right? What are we doing here to do? You know what you're here to do? I would ask them, and they'd be like,

they first they would try to lie, but when they see a taser, there's no lying. There's no line when there's a taser. So, they'd be like, how are we going to solve this? I mean,

the proposition may. The guy that went to the cops on me, they were the ones that came up with the idea of the solution. They came up with the ideas of what to do to solve this problem. And what was their solution? Money. So how much would they, in that scenario where you got busted for,

how much did they offer you? I think it was like 2100, I think I was going to get. And then I gave me 300. came back, well, the police came back with him the next day. Wait, but don't you tell the police that this guy's a predator waiting to meet up with like a girl, a young girl? Well, the police didn't care in this situation because it's not a young girl.

That's the, I thought the same thing, right? Who in the right mind would go to the police? Oh, because it's not a young girl. No, but what is it? Catfish? Not even catfish, like a setup or a sting or it's called them entrapment in a way. Entrapment, yep. Yeah, but do you know that show?

I think it's on Hulu or whatever where the girl. girls, they're like grown women. They pretend to be young minors and talk to these guys and bust them. They work with the police department. What's your call them? I forgot the name of it. I'll check it out. Yeah, they're doing, they have like this whole house and it's like a setup and they're

talking to girls. They wear wigs. They go in the room. It's like a whole elaborate thing. Wow. Because she was, the main host was like a victim of this as a kid. So it's really interesting stuff. So why do you come up with this idea?

And are you doing it for the money or just to ask? actually put these bad guys away. I'm not going to lie. I wasn't doing it. I wasn't doing it. I wasn't doing it put bad guys away. That's how it would justify to myself. I just loved the idea of quick money.

But you were making money. I was, but not that quick. That's instant. That's instant cash. That's like, and people that I was in school with knew what I was doing. And are you doing this with anyone? No,

just by myself. So these grown men, they're intimidated by you, like you're a kid. I was a nut. I was a little nut. Like I said, I lost all my impulse control.

Right? Me nowadays would say, what the hell are you doing? I would never do something like that nowadays because I have impulse control now, right? But before I was just a maniac. I was like, when I seen the guy pull up, I'd get happy. I'd be, I'd be Jones in, right? Like, I'm going to go get some money. It didn't last very long, obviously. Was there anyone notable because it's a small town, right?

Or people know each other? Well, put it like this. The guy that went to the police on me is a youth swim coach in the area. So I'm just going to tell what I'm going to say. I'm not going to say his name like that. but if you want to find out more, Google it. Is he still a youth swim quiz? From what I heard, yes.

So tell us about the arrest. Is it like a bunch of cops? This gives me the PTSD. This is where the PTSD comes in. So I think it's like a Wednesday. And it's like kind of cold. It's like January, like January 20th, January 17th, I believe. And I'm going to meet this guy.

I'm excited, right? Yeah, okay, we'll make some money. I look across where I usually meet these people and I see two cars sitting across the street. And I'm like, that's weird. Maybe they're trying to jump me. But if I'm thinking to myself, I don't give a funk, I'm going to go get that money and I'm going to run off.

Like, there's no jumping. I'm going to get that money and run off. Because, again, I didn't have impulse control. I was thinking about the home run, right? I wanted a home run. So I changed location, the street next to me, Blacksmith Road at the time. So I walked through the woods and I come out

and I see the car pulling down the street, the guy's car. I text him, you passed me. I was back around. I see somebody hop out of the car the gun and start chasing me. Now, I think, I don't know what's the police at this point. I have no clue it's the police.

So I'm trying to, I run, I'm trying to break into this guy's house. I'm not going to run home and get, you know, my family killed, right? I know it's a police. But then when I seen some cop cars coming, because they were coming down the street, I'm like, gave my hip toss, right? Hip tossed. A bow. Judo throw.

But then I'm like, oh, fuck, the chase is on, right? So they're renting me. Finally, I just fall on the ground. And they, they jump on me. They beat the shit out of me, kicked me in the head, punched me in the back of neck, put my face in the ground, fucking mushed my face all up, fucking slap me, called me names, all this stuff. And I was like, what the fuck just happened? Because I didn't honestly, Ian, I did not know what it was for. That's the problem. That's how crazy I was. Because it's like,

I didn't think that was illegal. So when do they tell you what you're under arrest for? They didn't until I sat in the questioning room. Okay. How does that go down the questioning? Well, it's trying to be whatever. I told them the truth. I said, this is a, you as a child molester. This is someone that, and granted I should have said nothing, right? I mean, I was told that my entire life. If you ever get in trouble with the police, say nothing. But I thought I was going to outsmart the police, which I didn't and fucked me, right?

But, you know, at the end of the day, I tried out foxed them. And they told them what I was there for. I'm like, well, what do you mean? We're, because kidnapping, armed robbery, extortion. These are charges that Jack the Ripper would have. I mean, I did not think that I committed any of those charges. But Mass has different laws. I think if you take someone's cell phone and drive off, that's considered kidnapping in Massachusetts.

So I was puzzled. I'm sitting there like, oh, fuck, I'm going to go to jail for the rest of my life. So the final charges were kidnapping, extortion, and armed robbery, assault, deadly weapon, and then resisting arrest. And those were all the ones you ended up getting sentenced to? Plead, yep, yes, sir. Oh, they didn't lower it or anything? Nothing. First time off. First time offense.

You really pissed them off. They didn't like me. So did you show them the apps, what was going on? Well, I didn't want to, I didn't want to, it's a thing, right? So I should have showed them the apps, right? But because I was thinking about doing with other people, I did not want to incriminate myself. So, like, I'm not a rat, like I tell you. So I would never actually go to the police on these people ever.

That's not what I was doing. I just wanted to make quick dollar fucking around, and that was it. It started off as a game, right? I was never to go to the police. I never go to anyone's house. I mean, I might have given them a biff in their face, right? But I would have never, with anyone's house, I went to the police. I would have never done that.

Maybe I should have. I wouldn't be the predictive I was if I saved them. I wouldn't have been here, right? But they're pedophiles. How is that not, you know, I don't think the code applies to that, right? It's just, if you go to court, if this person goes to court,

right, you're going to be called to the witness stand. You know what I mean? Yeah, listen, whatever, hopefully they get their justice one way or another, right? I'm not saying, you know, if someone raped my kid, I wouldn't go fuck them up. I'm not going to say that, right?

But, again, that's, in a way, ratting, right? But I get what you're saying, too. If you see someone get rid of by a car, I mean, you don't call the police, right? I mean, but I get what you're saying. I just, at that point in my life, I was so delusional, I viewed that as writing. So you get arrested? Do they bail you out that same night?

Do you get released? No. So the cop told my father of the detective, who was a complete liar, that it's never going to be in the newspaper. We're just going to scare him straight. He's not going to Ludlow. Just come pick him up tomorrow. My parents leave. Brings me right to Ludlow.

Now, I don't know if you know about Ludlow. not a good place. County jail here, but you got guys, serious guys doing some serious time in Lolo. And it's not bad. I mean, like I said, I honestly,

a lot of action over the Lolo, but I'm not looking for action. I'm looking to do my time and go home, right? So when I go into for that one night, I'm going to tell you I was shit in myself. I actually shit my pants. I'm not going to lie.

And I am not embarrassed to say that. I poop my pants. When the first night? The first night. All right. Tell us. Just shit myself, okay?

In the car? In the car, in the cell. I just, Like, it was bad, okay? It was a bad day to be, you know, the guy driven prior to that police station. He probably had to get the car very detailed. I took, I cost him a lot of money after it put it like that diarrhea and fucking whatever. So I go in for that night and the next day I get my arraignment.

The night before they tell me it's a $100,000 bail. And my dad was ready to go bail me out with the cops. Oh, don't worry about it. It's going to go down tomorrow. And I was like, fuck it a dad. I don't mean my dad. We're going to bail myself out, right? The next day was 10,000.

And that was in Palmer District Court. And from a great judge, Judge Mulcahy, great judge. He does a lot of great work for the community. And very fair, very fair judge. So you got out? I got out. Yeah, I bailed out. Okay.

And how does your dad and your mom react to this whole situation? Are they mad at you? Well, I'm going to tell you this, right? I could cry thinking about this. Everyone's a street guy until they see their mother cry. You know what I mean? everyone's big gangster to see their mom crying and it's because of you.

You know what I mean? And you probably know what that's like you were young and your parents think they did something wrong, right? Your parents blame it on them. And my parents were great parents. They are great parents. But they don't see it that way

because their kid went to jail. And you know exactly what I'm talking about, don't you? So, you know, my parents didn't really talk about it like that because it already happened. They knew it was serious. And my dad gave me the biggest hug of I ever got my life when I came out of the Palmer Courthouse. My mother was bawling.

A cousin of mine came too with me to bail me out, good dude, class act. And it was a tough day for me. It didn't feel real. Didn't feel real. Came home, I slept. It didn't feel real. Do you go back to school? I got thrown out of school.

For this. Yes. They found out. Well, the guy that said it was going to be in the newspaper, Google John Carl Danieli, see what comes up online. everything mass live Western mass news they got people in Nebraska that covered my story I don't know how the fuck they found me but whatever

so this guy lied put this thing in the Wilberham police department website went viral was in the town forum I mean this was a big deal locally because the thing is this right although I know what I did was wrong because I know I'm not a police officer a lot of common people don't see it that way yeah what was the social media

like feedback on this. Well, a lot of people that, you know, knew I was chumping their kids. They didn't, they were ruined, yeah, yeah, you know. And, but a lot of people, they were kind of like, damn, this guy, these are pedophiles. Maybe one about the wrong way, but these guys are pedophiles. And they're not pedophiles.

They're not pedophiles. And like I said, that's not for me to decide. The evidence speaks for itself. So I don't know, right? It was kind of mixed. It was mixed. But the thing is, like I tell everybody, what I got arrested for was the best thing of getting arrested for because it's not so caught and dry, right?

It's not like I was trafficking in kilos, right? Who's going to really have sympathy for a man looking to meet a young kid? You'd have to argue if he wasn't. That would be your only out. So what happens with the case? Do you decide to go to trial? How long does it take? So I had an excellent lawyer by the name of Dan Kelly.

Dan Kelly is probably the best lawyer in Western Mass. best lawyer. I mean, I would reckon, best lawyer I've ever seen. So Dan Kelly was telling me initially, hey, I don't think you're going to go to jail. And we would go in front of a Rule 12 hearing because the state wanted to do three and a half to five years in state prison. That's what they were offering for me. And I was like, what the fuck? State prison. I almost had a heart attack. So we go in front of Rule 12 and the judge says two and a half years.

And I could tell my lawyer was like, wow. But now that judge, I don't want to say his name because I want to respect his family. He actually killed himself, the judge. You can look it up. Like I said, he's a great judge. They left for the community as well. Started off as a great defense attorney in Holyoke. So I went for another Rule 12 hearing because, you know, something changed in the case.

And I got from another judge and I got 18 months. And I asked to be remanded to Northampton. Right. Now, North Hampton is a sweet spot. Now, granted, my aunt is a Springfield police officer. sir. Okay. So a lot of people that she arrested would be in Ludlow. And even though I'm not a cop and I know I'm not a rat, people hear that, see my last name, see her last name. They might think, you know what I mean? And why don't want to sit at Ludlow with no TV in the cell, right? I mean,

North Hampton, you have TVs in the cell. You can get ice cream, you can go outside. Luttle there's no outside, right? You know, North Hampton is a nice gym. You go outside. You can run around. You can watch TV. You know, it's like Disneyland for jails, right? It's like Disneyland for jails. It's like Disneyland for jail. So I got remand to Northampton. But why not take it to trial? Well, because I did what I did. In the eyes of the law, right,

vigilanteism is completely discouraged. If I went to trial, I would have got eight to ten years in the state prison. Because of my age would be in the max. Do I want to be fighting every day for my life? Getting stabbed, stab, I don't want to do that. But you could roll the dice to get a jury that sympathizes

with you. You could. You could, but I didn't want to take that chance. That That's a long time in my life and things were just going. And when I was on fighting my trial is when I really started building my business back up. Because when I was doing this pedophile shit and, you know, and run around and everything like that, I got lazy. I got really lazy because I want people to say, oh, look at me, look at me, look at me. And then when I got arrested, all I had was my business. All I had was my business.

So I worked on that and my partner who brought me here, he'll tell you, we grew that shit and we're still growing it. But, you know, I always thought about that. Like why, I always think about that, Ian. You know, what you just, the question you just asked me, I always think about it. I should have went to trial. Should I went to trial? Should I went to trial? Would Susan from Stop and Shop find me innocent?

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choose, delicious coffee awaits. Find Starbucks rappuccino drinks wherever you buy your groceries. I don't know, but I can't think about that. Yeah, so what happened to your business, while this is all over the media. Are people hesitant? I can't imagine politicians are wanting to work with you at that point. Well, I didn't handle that type of thing. I would just advise the guys and what to do. Right. So I wouldn't, I wouldn't make any calls. I wasn't sending any emails, right? I was simply just advising my partner and a couple guys would be working for us what to do. Okay. I would kind of work through them in a way. So at that court hearing, why is it the judge that kind of facilitates a plea deal and not the prosecutor? Well, because it's called the Rule 12 hearing.

And what does that mean for the audience? So Rule 12 hearing is when. And you and the defense go in. So my lawyer asked for like, I believe, six months with two years probation. The state asked for three and a half to five years. The judge usually meets somewhere in the middle. It's called the Rule 12 hearing. They had that in Massachusetts. And you're entitled to, I think, I think one or two of them.

And that's what I went in front of it. It ended up working out pretty well in my favor. So you get the sentence. Do they haul you off that same day or do you get to self-surrender? No, the judge was a very, very nice man. He let me spend the holidays with my families. November 4th was when I pled guilty November 3rd of the 4th of 24 right before the Trump won the big election. So I surrendered January 7th, 2025.

Do you think some privilege played a part in that? What do you mean privilege? Like, you know, coming from a good family. Well, I wasn't going to run. Well, I was never going to run. I was a model person on bail. I was at every court date. You know, I didn't do that shit.

I didn't find it. Once I got arrested, once I heard the click, And I'm sitting in London, Jig is up, I said to myself, jig is up, because this is going to be the rest of your life. Because it seems like a lot of people in state cases don't get that opportunity.

They just, you know, they get remanded right away. Mm-hmm. It's not like the feds. Right. As soon as you get sentenced, they haul you right away.

So you got lucky in your center. I got blessed. I got blessed. So tell us now about your prison experience. This is interesting. So like I said, if you can see here, a lot of guys wear watches,

I wear this. All right, I brought his real prison bracelet. Because a lot of people, they talk shit about jail. And I don't want to glorify that lifestyle because I would never want a younger person to see someone talking about jail like in a positive way. I don't want to ever be that guy that's, you know, sinking your ship with you, right? But the lessons and the people that I met in jail are things that I will never forget for the rest of my life for the positive.

I met some of the best people in jail because when you think of jail, you think of people that are shipbags. Not saying they're not in North Hampton. I'm going to be honest with you, North Hampton is a rat, sex offender camp. but there's about 10% 15% of the guys they're not rats or sex offenders from other counties you guys that are from the county

or how to connect like I did right to get to North Hampton So now you're extremely young what are you 17 when you get in there? No I fought my case for two years I got arrested in 20203 I extended my case out to 2025 I fought my case for two years

I actually went to college in the meantime Okay I was actually in I did a year at Hartwick college in upstate New York In person classes? In person classes Did people know about your case? No I never But the crazy thing is this,

and the school department should be ashamed of themselves, right? But I'll show you my pay stuff. I actually applied to be a substitute teacher while I was fighting my trial and I got accepted. Well, because you're probably, there's no conviction on your record.

I don't know. When I did my fingerprints, nothing came up, nothing. And I just, I, to this day, never could understand that. But I taught high school Spanish a few times that middle school gym. I was loving it.

Like I said, in another life, man, that's what I'd be doing. All right, so you go in at 19, about 20, 20. You're still really young. How are they treating you when you get in there? It's got to be a bunch of older men there.

Well, the guards thought I was being extorted, put it like that. Wait, they thought you were being extorted? Yeah. What do you mean? Why did they think that? Because, see, I've been around old people my entire life, right? And I was really close with a lot of guys who were serious people, right? And they see a little white kid come into a jail and he's budding up with this guy with a big face tattoo.

What do you think is going on there? The guy says, prison pocket holder. Right, right. I'm not going to say that I didn't get what I wanted in jail. You're going to tell me you wouldn't give someone a honeybone to do whatever. got whatever I wanted in jail right whatever I wanted I got like I said that for that jail

anything flew alright give us an example okay go pee this guy to the unit okay here's 200 let's go pee this guy to the unit and what kind of guy would that a sexified or a rat I don't want to live with this guy get him out of here

get them out of here I'm all set and who are these guys that would do it usually didn't have any money right but that were tough and that were good I met a lot of good people in jail like I met a guy that works DCF, right, at the time.

And he got arrested. And the kid was pretty tough. He's a good kid, right? Ruined his life. But again, good kid, but ruined his life with a minimum mistake like I did. What did he do? I don't want to speak on his case, right? But the point is he, one lapse of judgment, ruined his life. Can't get a stay job anymore.

How long was he in jail for? He was in jail a little longer than me. Okay. And I feel bad for him. But the guys that would do these types of things, right, were guys that liked me. And the reason why guys liked me was because I was too young to play any games. You know, I didn't play games like that. I was very direct, and maybe I shouldn't have been direct, but I learned a lot in jail,

and I really did. I had a guy, a friend of mine who is currently in the max right now. He's appealing on his case, and I wish him the best. He's a good man. He taught me a lot. I read this book called The Daily Laws. You ever read the Robert Green Books in jail? Mm-mm.

Okay. Well, I read a lot of these Robert Green books in jail with friends of mine in jail, because I was, again, just because I was young, it didn't mean I was a follower, right? I had money. I didn't need to follow anybody. Flocked to me, right? I didn't need anybody in jail.

I was happy to sit at my cell with my TV, you know, good morning America, right? The general hospital at 3 o'clock, right? I had my TV shows I would watch, you know, Seinfeld at 9 on Fox, right? Whatever. 10, 15. So, but we learned about this book called the Daily Laws.

And a lot of this stuff with teachers talked about seeing above the battlefield. And that really changed my life, Because when you're in situations, right, when you're in emotional situations, you don't see above the battlefield because you're in the battle, right? But when you remove yourself from the situation and you look down on everything,

you're able to see five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten steps ahead of everything. And that really changed my perspective because I was an emotional person. I was an hysterical, delusional person. And Giel may be more stoic, more direct, but more stoic. Were you the,

youngest person in there? I was. Do you think that had advantages? Oh, I mean, listen, I don't people treated me much different, right? I mean, I'm a young kid from Wilberham, but my best friend,

best friend, this kid from Holyoke, best friend, like my brother, right? A kid from Holyoke, you know, I don't know what his upbringing was like, but I don't think it was like mine. Best guy in the world. Didn't treat me any differently

because I was not Puerto Rican, didn't treat me differently because I was from Holyoke. we were like brothers. I don't think the age, I think real recognize is real. You know what I mean? I had guys that were facing serious charges

being my friend, come up talking about me because again, I've been around my uncles my entire life. My dad, my dad's friends, right? So I know how to talk to older people.

I've done business with older people. So it wasn't like I was out of my depth as a 20 year old in jail because this is what I've been doing my entire life. Maybe not in this environment, but my entire life, this is what I've been doing.

Did you do things in jail or prison to try to fit in and kind of seem cool and get along with the other inmates? Never, because I'm not a jail guy. I'm just not, you know, I'm not a jail guy. My mother, you know, still does my laundry. My mother buys my clothes, right? I don't, you know what I mean? When it was laundry day, I didn't, you can ask my friends, I didn't even know how to tie the laundry bag. I swear to God, my mother does everything for me.

I never knew how to even tie the laundry bag. So what would you do? I would have someone else tie it for me. And you would pay for it? No, I would pay nothing because people liked me. I wasn't a grub man. Like if I, like I said,

we'd cook for everybody, everyone would throw in. Like, because that's why a PC dude's because you know, or one of the PC do is because the thing is, right? If you have a good unit, it's a smooth, fun time. Guys are playing dominoes, right? Guys are cooking.

Guys, you know, you can talk on the phone whenever you want. And when I was in jail, you know, even though my partner held it down for me, which I, you know, great guy. He was, my partner, Sam Champany was the most solid person I ever met throughout this whole. thing because a lot of guys when you go to jail, all of your friends, they don't give a fuck about

you when you're in jail. This motherfucker was there every Tuesday coming to see me every Tuesday he was there. So I always appreciate that. But I was on the phone in jail on sales calls. The cell phone or the wall phone? No, the wall phone. I didn't have a cell phone in jail. But on the wall phone, I'd be making sales calls on three-way. And they let you do that? Well, what can they do? Well, they listen in and they don't like the three-way. You get an incident report? I never heard of that. But that never happened to me. But I would use my jail story as a way to connect with the person. Wait, you would tell the clients that you're in jail?

I would. No way. I swear to God. So give us an example. How would this go down? So I walk it through a live, a live thing. And I still do this because, you know, again, I want to be authentic, right? So I talked to them out, listen, like, I was a young kid that wanted to fit in and wanted to, you know, do whatever.

But, you know, obviously, I realize that's not true. Vigilanteism is not good. Being cool is not cool, right? Helping people, solving problems. So I asked you to not look at where I am right now, but look what I can do for you in the future. Stuff like that because I have a legitimate service. I have a legitimate product. My partner, Sam, that I get mentioned previously, he's the brains behind all this. I know nothing about computers. I'm probably, I know as much a computer as maybe a 60-year-old person, right? I don't

know much about technology at all. I just, I've never been in, never been in a video games, never played none of that shit. But he's the brains behind it all. But it makes my job a lot easier when you have a good product. That's the thing. When you're able to sell people, you know, a fundraising software is going to raise maybe between 100 to 200 to 500 and $50,000 in the first month. It's a rap. Interesting. It's a rap.

Now, because you came from such a good family, what surprised you the most about prison? How many good people there were? Why, what did you had known about prison before? Well, not so much my family because my uncle had been to jail, my dad been to jail, you know, some other family members been to jail. But the society views people that go to jail is like animals, right? And that could not be further from the truth. It could not be further from the truth

I mean I'm not saying there aren't bad people in there Right But I met some really really good people when I was in jail Was there a story of someone in there that really touched you? Yeah I mean like I said I mean That's the thing man there were like the Spanish kid from Holyo Guns was his name and you know A lot of people because that at the day I know some people that were in jail with me

Were around because I had money I didn't give a fuck Because they'd do whatever I said right But this kid was a kid was a little bit around me because he really fuck with me. You know what I mean? He really fucked with me. You know what I appreciated that? Because I seen a lot of guys would be around and they would just oh what can I get from this guy? Oh, maybe, you know,

because I was on the, you know, you can ask him I was in jail with. I was on the phone bet in 5,000 a game. You can ask, and I was in jail with, I'd make them put on sports. We'd have beefs over the TV, ESPN only. You know, guys want to watch girls softball? You crazy? The NBA championship sign. You know, at the time Indiana was playing O KC. You know, I had a loser.

It didn't work out that well game seven for me, but it is what it is. To Halliburton got hurt, right? I didn't expect that. But this kid, he really fuck with me, right? And I appreciated that. You know, not because I had money, not because I didn't know that. He really fucked with me. Would there be fights in there?

That I didn't instigate? Probably not, right? But I'm an instigator, I am. So you caused all the fights in there? Well, yeah, if I didn't like somebody, yeah, absolutely. And would you get physical yourself? Never. Never had to.

Never had to. You don't really look like much of a fighter. Ooh. Damn, you're just, no, I don't mean that way, you're just like, I don't know, you're likeable, you know? Not someone that goes beating people up. I never pictured you with the taser. Well, that's the thing. See, where I'm, I'm tough where I'm from.

Like, when I go to jail, when you're on grown-ass men, you know, you got that big guy, right? But when you're in Wilberham with little pussies, what did you just say? You know what I mean? Like that, it's a different type of, it's a code switch. They call it code switching. It's kind of like code switching. So do you think prison humbles at you then? Absolutely.

Does. Yes, sir. No, sir. thank you, sir. You know, you're not walking between people. Like, it's very respectful. You don't call people. There's two words you don't say in prison. Bitch and faggot, you don't say those words. So going into prison, did you say that? Oh, I was an animal. Then how did you get checked on that? Well, I just didn't say it. You must have said at least once. Oh, I never said it. I did it. Really? Yeah, yeah. What happened? I said, uh, bitch and, uh, suck my dick. Who? Yeah, at the card table. He just checked me on it. Like, you didn't put hands on me. It was like, hey, you know, like, don't do that here. You know, like, it was a serious. You know, you know, like, it was a serious. like one of those moments you know but we would do that as kids like suck my dick like I'm call of duty you know but you can't do that in prison

no no you can't so you didn't accidentally let one slip never never once I'm shocked what were some other rules you learned in there hygiene is important like when you're in jail living people you have to shower like there was a guy Al Columbia he's actually famous I was in jail with him he was a cartoonist

great guy you know a little nuts but great guy he did not shower I would bring him salt, hey, please shower. Like, you're smelling the unit up. But people got mad about that because it's like, you live with other people, you have to take care of yourself. You know what I mean? You're not taking care of yourself.

Now, how much time do you spend in total in there? Nine months. Got out half time. Is there any rehabilitation programs in there? How do they set you up for success in the world? They don't. The mods, they have the mods in North Hampton, and then you go to the bridge. But I couldn't go to the mods because some sex defender put me on there's enemy list so I couldn't go to the mods.

What do you mean? So in jail, right, there's a thing called enemy list. You probably had that in the feds, right? Enemy list? No. Okay, so let's say me and you are in the same unit, right? And I put you on the enemy list. They ship you out of the unit and me and you can't be near each other. So this guy went up to the mods and I think some of the other rats

made him put me on the list so I couldn't go up there. I didn't want to go up there. I was going to have my lawyer call and say I'm not going up there. The mods is like dormitory living. At Northampton, it's single cell. And if you have a TV, it's like apartment. You know, it's like, it's like a fucking apartment. So why would I want to go live in a dormitory living when I can have my own apartment? Are they, do you get your GED in prison? Well, I already had my high school diploma. I graduated online. I just got thrown out of school.

Oh, yeah, because you said you went to college. Yeah, yeah, Howard College. Okay. Yeah, Hartwood Cox or something like that. I forget what I was. But, um, but yeah, no, a lot of guys, like I said, they had a good, the thing in North Hampton, they had a great education program. That's what I will say. The food was fantastic. The food is like, I mean, I would eat, I would actually, I'm not even saying this to be funny. I would eat. I would some of the food over like McDonald's. What kind of food? They would serve like chicken pasta.

They would serve like I love the meatloaf there that the meatloaf was fantastic, right? They couple, but I really was a big fan of the pasta like the Italian Tuscan pasta, sausage. Oh, amazing. I think I'm just, you know, sloppy Joe's Roque. You know, oh, the baked haddock was pretty good. The Pier 17 baked Attic fish was fantastic. And those were days. I mean, I would buy trays.

I'd have three of these things. I'd be shoving in my mouth, you know, and people liked it. But we'd trade, you know, I'd like the mac and cheese, but I'll give you the mac and cheese if you give me the peer 17, you know, whatever. It was it's like, it's like being a kid again. What was a piece of advice that an inmate gave you before you left that's really stuck with you? Happy you ask. My buddy Bunn's, great guy.

He told me, he told me, protect your energy, my man. Protect your energy. And I never knew what that meant until I got out of jail, you know? because I got out of jail and, you know, I'm trying to do the right thing, man. I am doing the right thing. I got to protect my energy. I don't want to go back to jail because next time I go to jail, I won't be North Hampton. It'll be, it'll be the Shirley Max, right?

I don't want to go there. But I'm not going to tell. If I'm going to roll the bones, I'm rolling the bones, right? I'm going to the hoop. But I don't want to go in that situation. I've got to protect my energy. I got to do what's best for me. So do you think nine months was enough to cool you down and kind of have a different perspective on life

before you got into bigger trouble? Change my life. Change my life. If I didn't go to jail, I wouldn't be talking to you right now. But do you think that's enough time? Yeah, I do. Because it shows you that this ain't sunshine and rainbows.

It's not a joke. This is your life. You want some... And a lot of these cops, right, at North Hampton were fucking my age. How demeaning and degrading is it to have some kid your age come up to you? So it's time to lock it and lock your door.

I would be like, what? I wanted to go crazy. But I didn't do that, obviously, because I want, you know, I went, not a single ticket in jail, not a single ticket. I'm shocked. Not a single ticket. You know, I was a degeneric gambler, but they didn't take gambling seriously. No, they after. As long as you weren't selling drugs, they were doing with drugs, even fighting, they would kind of let some of it slide.

So, but like I said, man, I, protect your energy. And I stuck, that stuck with me, you know, to this day. What do you think was the biggest difference you noticed in yourself between before prison and coming out after? I was a better listener. I actually listened to what people were saying before I would just talk at you and when you would talk to me and I would just keep going

to keep talking. In jail like a lot of these guys in jail believe it or not actually very intelligent like my friend Lighty you know he told me you know there's just there's a saying

you know can't think for yourself got to think for the team and that stuck with me right like a lot of these sayings like you would see these guys on the street and a lot of people they wouldn't you know what I mean

they'd be like a lot of these people would be like disregarding these people I embrace them because I am one of them right? But I can code switch, right? I've been in jail.

I know what it's like to, you know, be excited for Thursday, eat ramen noodles. But then I also know what it's like to bet 5,000 on a sports game, right? So I know the difference. I've been in both places, and I will choose this one the right way every single time. But I had to see this in order to know this is what I want. You see what I'm saying?

I had to see this. I didn't want to see this, but I became comfortable, being uncomfortable. That's the best thing I learned, being comfortable, being uncomfortable, because no one wants to go to jail. no one wants to do things, no one wants to go exercise, right? But you got to be comfortable being uncomfortable.

That's what I realized in life. That's what I learned. So how do you make sure you stay away from that urge to get that fast money? Well, because you got to realize that you got to go pack a lunch and get after it, right? You got a pack a lunch and get after it. So, like, you know, my thing is you have to show up every day. My father always taught me that I disregarded it every day. And my dad, you know, my dad want me to go to college and whatever, I become a lawyer.

But I'm doing very well right now. But my father, you know, my father support me. but it's because I'm very optimistic about what my companies can do. Like what I've been able to do since I've been out, I, um, you know, I started Cursus Victoria. That's kind of the more automated stuff of the,

you know, we help people win primaries. We help them determine how many votes they need. We put together a strategy plan for them, how to actually get those votes. You know, we're putting, you know,

direct donor data where I'm very, I'm just, I don't want to bore you, but I'm very, very excited about what I can accomplish, right? I actually started a talent management company. I have a local rapper by the name of Yass

and Tony he's great launching some music on Saturday great kid, great guy no one deserves it more than him I'm not just saying that because I represent him no one deserves it more than him and that makes me optimistic so like when good things happen when I see good things going right

I don't want any of that stuff I'm good I am good with that like you know and when I'm around good people like this good Grayson Cage he's a local rapper you know pretty popular right my friend my my my boy, right? And my business partner, like, we're able to sit down and really build together. I don't want to miss out on the building. I don't want to miss out on building. I want to make money.

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High school was fucking four years ago, bro. You got to grow up. Got to grow up. So do you think you'll be able to use some of this knowledge you've been able to obtain at a young age to help younger kids at work? or are in your position that you once were? That's why I wanted to come on here, Ian.

That's why I was so happy that we arranged this, because it's not cool to go to jail. It's not cool to be liked. It's not. And I thought it was for the longest time, my man. I don't know what your story is, how you probably felt when you were doing your thing. Was that kind of the same thing for you in a way?

Yeah, I mean, I think what got me into trouble similar to you, like I chased wanting to be liked and popularity, and I didn't result to, like, you know, violence. Right. mine was different, but it was a similar kind of inner feeling. Ego is one of the, what is it, ego or is one of the seven deadly sins, I believe. Yeah, I mean, ego could be very, you know, addicting. You see a lot, you see, I deal with people all the time, like, with super big heads or ego,

and you deal with that with guests or just people in business and stuff. A lot of people have a huge ego. They think their shit doesn't stink too. You're right, man. They're the head honcho and stuff, you know? But when you go through, like, prison, it really humbles you or a really devastating. stating circumstance or loss financially or physically, anything like that. You're right, Ian. You're right. And I want to add on that, you know, I don't want kids to think

that's normal. I don't want that because it's not normal, right? I will never drag someone in the mud with me. If the ship's going down, I'm going to save you. I'm not going to pull you in with me, right? You know, I've talked to a couple of kids from back home who think it's cool to do that type of thing. And it's not. It's not. Because when you're sitting there, in jail and you see your mother. And when you get out and you see your mother cry, we'll see how tough you are then. Because I'm going to tell you, I bawled my eyes like a baby on the way home. I'm sure there's going to be some people in the comments that think that you haven't learned your lesson or you're going to end up back in prison because there are those people. What do you say

to them? Just watch. Just watch. I'll be in Forbes top 30 in a couple of years. Don't worry about it. You just watch. Now, do you think people will mistake that for cockiness? Or is that? I don't get what they're mistaken for, quite frankly. I know myself. And over this time being I've never become more secure with myself because I know I'm a good person. I know I always do the right thing when it matters. When it doesn't matter, I fuck off, right? And I fucked off before.

But everything I do in my life now matters and therefore I will always do the right thing. It would be interesting to see what your mindset is and say like another 10 years. Yeah, listen. You ever see that Math McConaughey video? When they ask him who was hero, he said myself in five years.

And then they ask him five years, who's your hero? I'll have another five years. I'll never meet my hero, but it's great to chase him. And I think that's really excellent. Yeah, because most of the guests we have on our show or, you know, significantly older talking about things that were so long ago,

like their crime, maybe they just got out of prison recently, but their crime was, you know, maybe 10, 15, 20 years ago, whereas yours just, you know, happened so recently. But you seem to have, like, a lot of reflection on it, too, at a young age. So it's interesting. Of course. Well, I just think it's crazy because people are going to say something like that. He didn't learn his lesson. What do you want from me? What do you want from me? I mean, I feel terrible about what I did. Do you want me to be extra? executed. You know what I mean? I mean? I got a good thing going here. I'm trying to do something positive, right? I'm trying to come on and play things like this and and and steer kids away from

that. That that mob mentality right of all this is ganges. This is cool. It's all crack of shit. It's all shit and all your big, your big homies, all your friends, right? When you're in jail, see how much money they put on your books. All the kids I was running around with buying dinners for. Guess how many of them put money on my books? Zero. Don't ever forget that. Zero. Not a not a single person. sometimes, too, the audience mistakes, like the person's energy in the moment telling a story, they're just talking about how they felt in that moment, not how they currently feel now about that same situation. Yeah. And if they think that that's more than fine, right? Everyone's just had their opinion. But like I tell them, just watch. Just watch. Well, I appreciate you come on

the show today, man. This is fun. You got a lot of energy. Absolutely. But hey, listen, MGM soon. Don't forget. We're going MGM soon. Don't forget about me, all right? And shout out to Damien for connecting us. Yeah, Damien's a great guy. He was at one of my really early guests on the show, Damien Trite. Great guy. At the old original studio back in the day, like 2023, three years ago now. I was in jail. Was it January? No, it was like, I think it was around when I had Chiqui on, like February or March, I think. No, maybe in the spring or summer. It was like the summer, you know, it was like July, 22, 23, I think. Yeah, yeah. Is when I had it in Jeff Ash. Jeff Asher is a great guy. Jeff Asher's as solid as they come. I never heard anyone have to a bad thing about Jeff Asher. Damien's great.

The other guy is just a straight liar. But the other two are honest. The other two are very honest. The other guy is just a bullshit artist. But like I said, whatever. It is what it is. Well, I appreciate you, man. I appreciate you. Thank you so much, Ian.

Of course. All right.