Locked In with Ian Bick - I Rode Solo as a Mexican in Texas Prison — Here's How I Survived | Hollyhood Texus
Episode Date: July 30, 2026Hollyhood Texus (Luis Murillo) grew up in the gang infested neighborhoods of Chicago before his family moved to Dallas, Texas hoping to give him a better life — but with his parents splitting and hi...s teenage years split between Mexico and Texas the path toward trouble found him anyway. In this episode of Locked In with Ian Bick, he shares how robberies led to multiple stints in Dallas County Jail before a felony robbery and gun charge landed him a seven year sentence in the Texas prison system — where he faced something most inmates never have to navigate alone. As a Mexican with no gang affiliation and no crew to back him up Luis rode solo through one of the most politically charged prison systems in the country, surviving the racial politics the daily danger and a race riot that got him transferred to maximum security — before finally getting released after four and a half years and turning his life completely around. _____________________________________________ #texas #TrueCrime #prison _____________________________________________ Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ _____________________________________________ Connect with Hollyhood Texus: https://www.instagram.com/hollyhoodtexus?igsh=bDBreDFjZXdtdDVz _____________________________________________ Timestamps: 00:00 Intro & Luis's Early Life 00:22 Growing Up in Chicago and Family Roots 03:00 Early Encounters with Crime & Trauma 05:30 Moving to Texas & Adapting to a New Life 07:30 Struggles with Family and School 10:45 Culture Clash & Visits to Mexico 14:00 Growing Up, Family Split & Impact 16:15 Life Changes After Parents' Divorce 18:57 First Steps Into the Streets 21:00 Rebelling & Losing Direction 23:00 High School Life & First Arrest 27:30 First Jail Experience & Aftermath 32:00 Street Family, Not a Gang 39:00 How Luis Ended Up in Prison 44:00 Aggravated Robbery & Choices 49:00 Prison Sentencing and Reflection 53:00 First Prison Unit – Life Inside 01:00:00 Prison Society, Rules & Racial Tensions 01:12:00 Race Riot Incident & Transfer to Max Security 01:24:00 Maximum Security: Survival & Adapting 01:34:00 Mentality Shift, Influence & Gaining Wisdom 01:43:00 Bonding in Prison, Real Friendship 01:48:00 Release, Rebuilding, and Survivors Guilt 01:54:00 Relationships & Lessons After Prison 02:00:00 Building a New Life & Business 02:02:00 Product Launch & Health Awareness 02:04:30 Final Reflections & Words to Younger Self 02:05:20 Outro & Closing Remarks _____________________________________________ To advertise on the show, contact sales@advertisecast.com or visit https://advertising.libsyn.com/LockedInWithIanBicka
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My guest today is Luis Marillo.
He grew up between Chicago, Dallas, and Mexico.
And before he was 20, he was sentenced to seven years in the Texas prison system.
He survived one of the most dangerous prison systems in America without joining a gang.
Today, he's telling that story.
I was born in Chicago, Illinois.
I went straight to the south side.
That's like one of more gang-fested neighborhoods.
But, you know, my parents is like Mexican immigrants.
So I'm the first generation Mexican-American.
So it's like kind of like a freestyle.
Like it ain't no telling how I can go.
But I stayed over there to like back the time I was figuring to do first grade.
But while I was over there, I mean, I had a lot of shit that I could remember.
You know, I just knew it was more like my mom's family.
It's either in Halisca, Mexico, which is like Central Mexico, or the rest of the family
that immigrated.
They in Chicago and shit.
So my mom's family is more like more in Chicago.
My dad's family was in Texas, Dallas, right?
Well, I ain't moved to Dallas yet.
This time I was just in Chicago.
And my mom's family, they always was like, my mom's family.
favorite to come around. It was fun. Like, they had to get together. I just remember block parties.
I remember actual block parties. The neighbors, we talking to each other, stuff like that.
But I also remember, like, I always got, like, this trauma with the police, right? Like, police,
they're going to scare me every time, bro. No matter what they do. But it started back then,
Like, my mama did a hit and run.
And I remember this like the first time I seen police come running to our house, come in
and swam.
And that was in Chicago.
I stayed off 57 in Sacramento.
And not only did that start off with having bad encounters with the police, but I also just
remember getting our house broke into and remembering that shit.
Like, they had, like, my mom used to have a lot of jewelry, and I just remember, like, they
took all that shit.
I used to have, like, I remember I had a necklace.
They had my name on it and shit, and she was gone, right?
But I was my mom, and my mom's only child, but my dad at that time, he had another daughter
by another woman, and she stayed on the other side of the town.
So it was like, I kind of had my sister.
in my life, but kind of didn't because it was like she didn't stay with us.
And then I just remember a young, too, though.
Like I always seen like, never talked about this shit, right?
But I seen like the black figures on the wall, like, like, was considered to be ghost
or whatever fuck they won't call them.
But I used to think it was the people that were trying to break into the house again, you know
what I'm saying?
But I just remember that.
I remember that about Chicago.
Chicago and it would like, it was way faster until I finally moved to Texas where my aunt.
My aunt stayed in Mesquite, Texas, but it's like Motley Drive and in Talese.
That's like the first neighborhood that starts Mesquite, but there's like a college campus
Eastfield College, that's an actual Dallas bus stop.
So it's kind of like I'm close to Dallas, but I'm also in the beginning of Mesquite, so
I'm going to go to a Mesquite school independent district and shit.
And my dad chose to move me out there because obviously, you know, trying to dodge all the
shit that go on in Chicago.
And I just did some research too that like the game that the gangs that was in charge
of that territory we was in, they, they, the gang, one of the games is called Satan's disciples,
the SDs and stuff, right?
And I just found that out.
But at first I just hear about the GDs and vice-lords, but just to hear about a gang
called the Satan's disciples, that shit crazy because that's where I literally dodged, you know what
I'm saying?
I got out the way from that.
So when I came to Texas, it just like, I just knew it was a difference between Texas and
Chicago, but the same time, like, you know, my family wasn't in no street shit.
Like, they come strictly from Mexico to work, you know, construction.
That's all my dad knew at first, like, he came to this country young, like 16.
He didn't finish school.
My mom, she didn't finish middle school.
So they just had it in their head program to just work, work, work, work, right?
Break their back doing that shit.
And came to Texas.
It's just like they just got to start all over gaining resources and shit.
So my mom, she went from being housekeeping in Chicago to being a cleaning lady for rich-white lady and shit.
And she used to give my mom a gift for me.
I remember that.
And then she also started being a waitress.
She worked at Gorgon Corrace a waitress for you.
I can remember 2006.
We moved 2006.
2004, 2005, stills of this day she worked up there, right?
But that's how I started, you know, came to Mesquite and moved in with my aunt.
At first, it was just me and my dad.
My dad got a fucked-up way of, like, he ended up splitting with my mom later on in the
story, but at this time we were together.
But he just, like, this is how he made his mind up that we were going to leave Chicago.
He just, one day, like, packed the white van, filled it with all the belongings and just
hit the Texas.
And my mom, like, where you go?
My dad, like, shit, you bring your ass to Texas with us or you stay up there.
So that's how, that's how my dad was.
So the whole time I'm like, I'm separated from my mom getting introduced to my dad's family.
But I never really, like, got along with certain cousins and shit.
Like, that's where I started, like, running into people that didn't like me.
Because in Chicago, I couldn't saw it, it was way more love.
But now I come out here, like, my cousins and shit were kind of, like, nerdy.
Like, they had computers and shit, PCs, and that's when I first started seeing that.
And I just remember, like, they were having that shit, and they were sure that shit with me.
I don't know if I was too young.
But I just took rejection.
Like, okay, I ain't going to ask you.
Ashtam, and it's just the new program that I started getting used to when I came to Texas.
And my mom eventually came down here after, after like, damn near a year or something.
But the whole time, I'm just, I'm just, like, adapting to the schools.
Like, at first I was going to a bilingual school.
And down there in Chicago, the bilingual school, which was basically all Spanish.
So for me to come at the end of kindergarten and start school in Texas, I almost failed,
just because I didn't know the language.
You know, my parents don't speak English.
I don't speak English in the house.
Never did.
It's just all Spanish.
Like, that was my first language.
And elementary, it's mostly like, I learned how to stay out the way.
Because I remember, like, back then you'll get color changes and shit.
And I got like two color changes.
One, if I talking, when they put me in the isolation table, I start drawing on myself, getting tattoos, shit, drop my color again.
And that was the first last time I all got in trouble because my dad was in my life, right?
And he just instilled the fear in me.
So, like, I just, like, man, I better not do shit else.
After since then, I just learned, like, stay out of the way, right?
But at the same time, like, no, I'm secretly waiting for, like, to get rid of my dad.
Like, I don't like this, this mean structure that he got on me.
I can't do nothing.
Like, you know, later on.
You know, when they split, it was just like I kind of broke away from that.
But before they split, you know, in elementary, my mom came down here.
And the Mexican culture is very, like, coming to have, like, 50-year anniversary weddings.
Like, my grandparents, they stuck together, you know what I'm saying?
On both sides, like, it's a Mexican thing to just stay together, you know?
It's in their culture.
But being that my dad is like coming over here, starting a new way with a new culture,
it kind of like it broke up that ethic that they had.
Even though, because they ended up, I remember my mom and my dad had a wedding, right?
And the weddings would be in Mexico.
So after I moved from Chicago came to Texas, I spent like the school year in Texas.
They didn't have no friends really, just had my family that I talked to.
But like I said, like the family I had, they were too older.
They were older than me that didn't come to relate with me.
Or if they did, it was just like a limit.
You know, I just can't hang too long with them, you know, how that it is.
But I ended up like going to Mexico for all my summers.
So as soon as I finished school, like it's a routine.
I'll get sent straight to Mexico, whether it was in Guanajato where my dad's family is,
or Halisco, where my mom's family is.
But I started going with my dad's family.
And when I started taking them trips to Mexico, I just started seeing a new way.
And it influenced me still to this day.
But at that time, when you're growing up, you don't know that damn this shit is really
like it's affecting who you are.
But going down there, I really got to see poverty.
bro, like I got to see, like, I remember my grandma's house just coming over there when
you turn the shower on, the shower head ain't going to shoot all the little holes out.
That bitch, you're going to drip a big ad, you know what I'm going to shit like that.
I just knew that we had better in America.
Like, in America, we got way more better appliances and jobs, opportunities.
But when I go down there, it's like, I'm going for a vacation.
So it's like, I'm not really like looking at it like, like they got it worse than us.
If anything, it's like in my childhood moments to where I had the most fun of my life down there as a kid being around my family down there and shit, right?
But yeah, that was like, that's how I started, like went from Chicago, couldn't settle there for too long.
Then went to Texas and then making sure I go to Mexico, making sure that all my family knows me,
because my mom got like seven siblings and my dad got like eight siblings.
So they come from the big families like that.
So it's like it's mandatory when I'm young.
You got to go meet your uncles.
You got to go meet your grandparents.
Like my grandparents' house was both of them, both families, I had to go cross the border.
You know what I'm saying?
I didn't have them down the street or down.
I'm a couple states next door.
I just had to go to a different country for that.
But it's just that experience, though.
That shit was humbling.
Yeah.
When did you get back to the U.S.?
So, like, in Texas school,
be finished by like May, right?
So right when May hit,
I'm talking about another exaggeration.
I go with my cousin.
I drive down there.
I either take the bus or ride with my uncles and shit.
So I kind of always thought.
third wheeling with other uncles and shit, because my dad and my mom, like, they just had,
like, they'll just put me wherever car as long as I get down there.
But if I left in May, I'll stay down there until like late August.
So it's like, like, at least three, four months out of every year, I'm just staying down
there.
It'll be to the point where like our school year is over.
When I go down there, they still got school.
And now I'll start going to school with my cousin then.
And I start seeing how different classrooms are over there and no AC, shit like that, right?
But I'm getting looked at like I'm foreign, like I'm just a fancy-ass creature.
And then my people are like, yeah, he's from, they call it Establusu Nils.
It's just that shit, that shit sounds notorious for them.
They just get awed and they be impressed, bro.
Yeah, yeah.
I ended up eventually coming back.
I stayed in that three, four months every year.
That was up until like when I became a teenager that I stopped going so much because I started
getting in the street out here and having the culture in America and Texas, that shit just
you know what was heavily influencing me.
At that point, when I got like a teenager and my dad.
And my mom, they split after they wedding.
You know what I'm saying?
They had a wedding in Chicago, I mean, a wedding in Mexico,
but like years later, shit turned to a divorce.
Like, my life turned to, like, you know, being more Americanized.
And, yeah.
So do you think the split was what caused you to go into the streets?
Hell yeah, because, like, if my dad was in the house,
now I wouldn't be doing none of this shit
that I overthought of because he used to run the house.
You know what I'm saying?
But I remember I was in the eighth grade.
And what my dad family do in Mesquite on one street,
that same house that I moved into where my aunt and shit went came from Chicago.
At that point, my mom's my dad's family only owned one house.
on that street. But throughout all the years that I spent up until like from elementary to middle school, I had like two, three uncles, I mean two, two, three extra houses on that street bought all together. Like, like my dad's family would come and put in and try to like invest in the house on that same street. And they ended up getting two, three houses all together on that same street. Right.
And when that was like in the eighth grade, me and my mom was at them house, at one of the houses only to stay there for like half a semester.
Because we just like, we got to stay there for a little bit.
But that was at the beginning of the split.
And I remember my mom, she had no boyfriend, nothing.
Like that shit knew, like the stepdad shit.
That's some American shit.
So, like, I just felt like that shit, I wasn't going to go through that.
Like, I just couldn't accept it in my head as a child.
I don't know why.
I just, like I said, the culture is so heavily influenced in me being Mexican.
And that's not no regular things since step-parents and shit, right?
But when my mom started, like, beginning her, like, single journey, she ended up meeting
One of her, like, sweethearts from back in the day, right?
And I had met him on the previous occasion.
Before I even had an idea that they were talking, right?
But my mom tried to hide him from me.
And I used to go outside and play at the basketball court.
Like, I used to come home when the lights had cut off,
the lights to cut off like we're out of team.
But sometimes when we're up there with all the guys being young,
the crew we had, we had stayed.
past the lights cut off.
Like, the lights are cut off.
We're still up there and shit.
But I remember, like, during that time, my mom used to blow my phone up.
Like, where are you going to come to the house?
You're going to come to the house.
It's time.
But this specific day, I'm running late.
She hasn't even hit me up, right?
And I come in, and, like, I'm getting ready to, like, kiss a good night.
It was a routine that I had.
And then something told me to look in the closet.
So I go look in the closet and I see a grown man in there hiding, right?
And that's like the first time my mom ever seen me just spas out.
Because I just thought the instinct, survival instinct, just as a boy, but I thought it was a man.
But I had threatened to kill him.
I'm saying?
He ended up, like, running out, scared.
My mom, it was hysterical.
But it's just like my mom never seen this shit come out of me.
She didn't understand where it came from.
But that was just how I went about it just because I was just overprotected about my mom, right?
But come to find out that dude that I did that too still to the day, like his name Guillermo,
one of the most positive best influence that I've had, but he just never, he never forced himself on me.
He always kept it like respectful, even though when I disrespect him, and I'm grateful for that,
because he showed a lot of gracious big dude.
He could have followed me up.
I'm threatening him.
I'm talking about I'm going to kill him.
He could have killed me with his bare hands,
but he respected my heart.
You know what I'm saying?
And he ended up,
he ended up like staying around till this day.
And that shit happened like when I was 14, 13 and shit.
But yeah, that's how that went.
What was the first moment you entered the streets?
Describe that for us.
I want to say when I ran from the police.
Like, my first time running from the police,
I felt like, shit, that's where, like, it's just, it came like a lifestyle.
It came to be a lifestyle.
Like, it wasn't hard for me to just continue breaking the law.
That was lawless, you know what I'm saying?
But it had to do a lot with the people that were around.
But it's strength in numbers.
So like, the more of us, the wider it'll get in everything.
Everybody got their own little statistic that they're putting up.
You know what I'm saying?
Everybody got their own point that they want to prove and shit.
But to be real shit, I would just living, adapting.
You know, I wanted to be a basketball player.
That would be like my only way out to go to college and shit.
Even though I'm smart and shit, but I knew people smarter than me.
And so it's like, that like, hooping so long with the people that I'm playing basketball
with, we're trying to trick ourselves into believing that we're going to go to college
and shit.
But we fuck around and leave and stay past curfew, running from the police, try to go chase
bitches.
This are like 14, 13 years old.
But these the signs of a rebellious team.
Like, you got to have a structure.
You got to be in the house at a certain time.
The group of kids that I were running with, shit, we didn't have that.
We had a long-ass leash and our mom's let us do whatever, you know.
We didn't have no, like, real, like, male role models that would, like, teach how I feel that I want to teach.
You know what I'm saying?
Teaching the youngsters about the stock market or just literature.
You know what I'm saying? Pulling up and telling a young nigga read.
Like I didn't hear that till I went to prison and shit.
I was around some whole different shit.
Being around like, I want to say like grimy people.
And I thought that was cool.
Like I thought it was cool to be the grimeish one.
Because obviously if you're not grimey enough, something going to happen to you.
Well, that's why I was seeing.
People like getting their shit took.
People getting embarrassed.
Not just like I wasn't getting embarrassed.
Everybody was getting embarrassed some ways, somehow, you know what I'm saying?
But it's just like it's a lot of egos flowing around, being young and high expectations
really like too high for somebody so young and so stupid.
And I'm just speaking for a group that I came up with.
Because the same group of people I came up with, like, you know, they got names in the
city, they got face cards and shit.
They, they, like, they are, they somebody's, you know what I'm saying?
But we all grew up together, though.
Why do you think you threw out the values your dad instilled in you as a kid once he left?
Do you think it was just too strict and you wanted freedom?
Because it's like my dad wanted me to be a certain way.
And once he seemed that I wasn't turning out to be that.
it's like it grew friction.
So not only was it that he was too strict,
but it wasn't no love that I felt, right?
But, you know, like my dad never had a right way
of showing his love.
Like still to his day, I try to figure that shit out.
But he never was really like conversational.
He never really would talk to me.
He would just put, he would just say no type shit
to a lot of stuff.
He wouldn't say why or nothing.
So it's like I never like felt no real connection.
Like, like, especially, you know, a dad, you got to get talked by your dad.
You got to, you got to, like, lace your son up.
Well, my dad never really talked, you know what I'm saying?
So he's kind of like just felt like he didn't like me.
I felt kind of like a disgrace, you know what I'm saying?
To where at the beginning it was kind of hurtful.
But the older I got, it'll grow more resentment.
And then I'll start shooting shit at them, like, shooting the shit, like, being disrespectful.
You know what I'm saying?
Rebellious.
But I ended up paying for that shit in the long run.
Like, not honoring my parents, you know, no matter what, even if they were in the wrong order, right?
You know, it don't give me the right to just go overboard, you know what I'm saying.
Did you end up finishing high school?
Yeah, I've finished high school.
And where do you go after high school?
To be honest, I felt like high school kept me out of trouble because like it helped me
maneuver.
Like school starts like at 8, 45, probably won't get there until like 9.30, but I'm still
showing up.
Then I stay for the free lunch.
Might get there early just to get the breakfast, but I'm going to get the other lunch later.
And then really, I come up here to network, come up here to, um, like, like, I understand
this school going on, but like with the school that I went to, it would be times when like,
everybody rushed to the restroom, big dice game going on.
You know, back then you got the phone and shit.
So everybody could create a group chat.
Back then they had kick, a kick messaging out.
And, yeah, that shit, that shit was like, like, uh, uh,
organized crime, bro, to be under, like allegedly.
You know, the kids just come together and making their own rules and shit.
So that's what school kind of was for me, but I just knew to stay within these guidelines.
These rules, trying to blow your cover.
It always was good at that.
I always was good.
Like I said, stand out of the way.
But I'm still somehow in the mix.
But yeah, that shit had helped.
helped me stay out of jail and it gave me something to do.
But after high school, literally graduated 2016, and my first time going to the county was July 4th, 2016.
I went to jail for burglary of a vehicle.
The first time, at this time, I started taking Xenics.
I had like, I had traumatic events with my mama, with friends, just felt betrayal, like, best friends and girlfriends, just getting done the worst way, getting introduced to life early.
Like, seeing that down, you're right-hand man, might fuck your bitch behind your business.
back. Like, I'm going through that in high school. Or, like, Mom, I'm seeing that damn, the traumas
that she had when she was younger, that shit is starting to come out. She can't keep it in
that long. And the way she's expressing herself about it, it's giving me trauma. I ain't going
to bring up the shit she was doing because I love her, right? And other stuff, I got, I got
partners that's older than me, and they motivate me to go to school, making sure that I'm in
school. Then after I remember his name Boo, he got killed in North Dallas, got shot in the
back of his head. And people he was with, they were supposed to be your partner, they're playing
dead. You know what I'm saying? These are the same people. I'm thinking that, damn, I'm thinking
y'all are gangsters, but y'all are playing dead and shit. So I'm in high school trying to,
trying to, like, understand this. But everybody is, like, they worry about what college they're going to. They
playing sports, mind you, after that basketball shit was over with, like they just knew
we can't have them type of people in our program.
So it's kind of like, I'm just going to kick them to the curb and this.
I'm a proud of that.
So like, I didn't stay free for too long.
And that was the reason why I just overused the XNX taking two men.
But she, first time going to jail, I was on the Xanax.
And my friend had July 4 post a call up somebody to get some weed, just trying to smoke,
right?
Nothing too crazy.
So it's a grown man, mind you.
I'm 18 French out of high school.
Then my partner, this is the same partner I got that night.
We know him for like taking shit at the school.
Like we are our partner to serve him a little bit of weed so for trying to turn up his trout.
And we know he just got the trap.
So, like, oh, we're going to act like we're going to buy that off you, then take this shit from him.
But it's like we're sticking together doing that shit.
Like, I don't know.
It really was childish, right?
Just playing with our life, being ignorant.
But it went from doing it to people that are age in school to try to do this shit to a grown man.
And a dude came trying to drop the weed off.
And he certainly gave me a small-ass ground.
two grounds of 20, something like that.
And he pulled off, I tell my part of my man, call him back up here, bro.
A nigga, I'm gonna talk to him.
I say, down, I said, we, bro.
You gave me a short-out-out-the-ground.
Old dude.
I got you, bro.
I'm gonna let you pick it out the bag.
I'm bitch.
In my head, I'm telling you, bro.
And he pulled that bag out, when snatched this shit around.
Like, just dumb, bro.
Like, that's how I was thinking not just in that situation,
but in whatever situation that I just felt it was necessary,
Just because I just threw a fit.
But mind you, all this is stemming with behind the traumas and the betrayers and all the
insecurities that I got just growing up in the environment, being fucked over too much, you
know, feeling that I've been fucked over too much.
So this dude pulled up, I'm waiting on him to pull up.
Mind you, my partner, he'll never give the place, like, the address to his place.
He always gives him four houses down, five houses down, and he'll miss it.
them in the street, right?
So that was already overstood.
It's night time.
We were walking, pacing the street, waiting for the car to come, my first time going to jail.
And the street was hot because they were breaking the houses earlier through the day.
It wasn't us though.
But shit, the street was hot because of that.
So the police, Mesquite Police Department, man, I tell you how bad it is, how the
toilet the police department is.
So we had the top of the street.
We see a car with the headlights coming up at a stop sign down the block.
We think it's the dude.
We think it's the dude that's front coming with the weed.
I'm like, I'm going to wait for him to come up and snatch this shit.
But mind you, I had a pill bottle just like this, bro, and I had Xenix in it.
But I don't want to lose this shit.
So my partner, baby mama car was parked in front of his house.
Mind you, the car got to be probably.
block down, but they see that it's people in the street, right?
Whole time it's a police, but we don't know it's the police.
We think it's a dude who's been wrong, but he'd see me walk back to my partner in a baby
mama car, and I put the pill bottle in the gas thing, the gas cap.
The gas cap could stay closed, but, you know, when you open a little handle, you can shove
the shit and you close it.
I'll walk back on the other side.
Whole time the police seeing that ass, he think I'm a burglar.
in the vehicle, but I don't know this shit.
So I'm like, damn, we're waiting for the car to creep up, get closer.
And the closer closer it gets we see it's the police.
And we're like, damn, something down.
You know, we try to keep walking, acting like, he's going to pass us up now.
They parked the car and chuffed out there, bitch.
What are you doing?
What are you doing?
You make sure what's that call?
And you ain't saying nothing.
You know, you're going to say nothing.
And they get mad even more.
They sit down.
The whole time I'm on the bar, I smell like we look like a zombie.
I'm trying to act normal, though.
You know what I'm saying?
Then my partner's sitting down.
They just questioning us.
Man, what y'all got doing?
Like, mind you, they had burglaries in the houses earlier that day,
so they probably think it's us, but, you know, they can't get nothing out of us
until, like, they said, man, so I'm saying you walk to that car.
You don't want to say nothing.
I'm going to go ahead book you burglary of a vehicle.
Put your hands behind your back.
Man, fuck.
You know, July 4th, 2016.
Just finished high school, like last month.
This is my first time going to jail.
I'm like, man, fuck it, I guess this is just what it's going to be.
Like, like, Muskie Police Department charge you for this shit.
You can't do nothing about sitting up back of the cop car.
So I'm thinking my partner would get let off.
They say, you're going to jail for jaywalking.
Man, put the handcuffs on that boy.
We in the back of that bench.
Yeah, that's what Mesquite Police Department did to us.
So listen, 2016, July 4th.
You went to Mississippi City jail.
My partner would get boned out quick.
You know what I'm saying?
People come get them.
Mind you, now, I don't have, at this time, I don't got no relationship with my dad.
And my mom, she had just left to Arkansas with her family.
So I don't got nobody down here, but I got enough money to borrow myself out in my pocket.
My bond was probably like $200.
I had like $300 on me.
And luckily, I ain't have the pills.
If I would have the pills charged, there would have been a whole felony.
But the shit that they charged me with, even though it was like a false charge, it was only
a misdemeanor.
So I just sit, they tell me my partner, for he leaving, like, what's up, bitch, you
want me to tell my people come get you, give him the money.
I know, I'm going to sit.
I'm going to sit, this shit ain't nothing.
That's my first instinct in jail.
Like, I'm already thinking about time serving shit.
And I got moved to Dallas County, jail, hit that bitch for the first time.
being around ducks and shit.
It's kind of like a field trip, bro.
Like, you know, when you lose the fear of incarceration, it's like, it ain't nothing after
that.
Sadly, you know what I'm saying?
Like, you hear all this other shit on the movies and the stories.
Like, but when you see, it do get bad, but it's just like, it's times and places for
that.
But once I've seen what it was, meeting different types of people, different types of stories,
then you see people down there that got murders.
Like, they don't get a chance to come home tomorrow and shit.
All that was a humbling experience.
The whole time, it's like two, two days, three days go by.
When you get a first offense in Dallas, you get, you're eligible for a, it's like a,
it's like a free-ass bond that they give you.
I forgot what it's called, bro.
But, like, oh, since you just got here, it's a PR bond.
Go on, pay $40 to get out, even though you're born like $200.
Just sign this paperwork, have somebody to come up here and sign on your behalf and just pay $40 a PR bond.
July 7, 2016.
My mom get her friend to do that for me because she's not even in the city.
A friend comes sign off, I get a religion.
The first time, it will get released out of Dallas County Jail for something I didn't do.
Mind you.
But I was to do some whole other shit, though.
But I step out.
I swear God, bro.
It's in history books.
It will quiet as fuck outside.
Mind you, Dallas County, especially in the daytime, there's no reason for it to be quiet.
It's big traffic.
It's a lot of people.
Work going on.
It's a weekday, too.
So it just caught my attention how quiet it was, bro.
And then it was like, I could know how to feel.
confident depending on people. I just never felt that. Mind just like me getting being put in jail.
I ain't have nobody. Oh, we're going to get you. We're going to rush to get you out.
If anything, like, I got the chance to get myself out. And I'm still like, I'm going to keep my little money and just get time served.
That's just my mind, right? But I still like, I'm going to call my partner to tell him to come get me.
But I didn't even feel comfortable doing that because, like, he might not even pull up.
up. I don't even want to get rejected, because I don't know how I feel to get rejected.
I avoid getting rejected. I just won't ask. But I happened to call him, right? And he pulled
up quick. It was too quick. I didn't believe that shit. I'm doubting if he'll come get me.
Free sleeper. He came and got me in the expedition. Went in front of the county, got in that
bitch. When we driving off, we see like four cop cars parked quiet. It's a lot of squad cars,
right, July 7th, bro, 2016, I'm leaving downtown.
That's right when McCaugh Johnson had came in ambush Dallas Police Department,
start killing them four or five officers dead, shit like that, right?
They ended up, that same day when I got out at nighttime, they ended up killing him using a real robot.
Like, that's the only time they ever had the government go issue a fucking robot to kill somebody.
That shit was 2016.
But that was my first time getting in, put in jail for something I didn't do, and the police died afterwards.
Wow.
Hey, yeah.
But then I went back for more shit after that.
But that's how it started.
That's how the school kept me out at jail.
But once I just couldn't go to school anymore, that shit started getting bad.
Now, do you end up clicking up with a gang on the streets?
It's like this is what I understand about games, right?
It's a bunch of people from broken homes that's just creating their own family.
So it's like I got to be careful how word, like what I was a part of.
Like, because I didn't police be on a nigga trail, bro.
Like, I know they're going to watch this shit.
So I got to make sure I'll present this shit the right way.
I would never in no game.
But the family I was part of.
up, like, they could look at us and call us the game.
But it's really, like I say, Ms. Trina, this is like my godmother, and she's a black woman.
Mind you, I told you, this is a street.
It's like three family members stay on this street, right?
But it's like, I got uncle that don't open the door for me when I knock.
I got another aunt.
She's driving down the street.
She see me walking.
She act like she doesn't see me.
But Ms. Trina, she's staying in the block next over to them, really.
And she'll let me sleep on Flo.
She'll let me sleep on the couch.
She'll feed me.
You know what I'm saying?
If I ever need somewhere to go, if I did some, man, they're going to shelter me, right?
But it's like she got three boys.
It's four of them.
It's Snoop.
It's J.R.
Corey.
In fact, J.R.
like my age, that was my first.
first friend I ever had in eighth grade, but I started getting cool with his brothers,
because his brothers love me. So like up to this time, like shit, we just, like I said,
Mesquite, like, that's considered a suburb, but we in the most hooded out part of the
suburb. It's so hooded out that you got people from otherhoods coming to this school,
and they're claiming otherhoods. They're false claiming to me. And I was just like,
Like, down, why y'all claiming that shit when all of us are over here and ain't nobody
claiming this shit?
That I'm really from Chicago, Ms. Trinan, Fat, all of them, Corey, they from Shreveport.
So, like, we, like, out of town, us, but we in the city every day to where we just
stamped ourselves as a neighborhood, like, because we're just in our community.
But that don't necessarily mean this organized crime.
It don't mean that.
But, you know, the police will be quick to pin that shit on and put their jacket on us.
But really, we just, we're just there for each other.
Whether it was food, where it was jobs.
Like, I remember I got my first job at Waterburger.
Man, I put everybody on.
You know what I'm saying?
And then it just, that was when I was 16.
So shit, like, whenever still to this day, like, we get a resource.
We sharing it amongst each other.
Don't matter where we're at.
But that's what I consider with my family.
Like, it's 30, 600 block.
That's the area we stayed in.
That's what the size say on the street, you know what I'm saying?
But it's different in every city, every culture, got their own little programming routine.
But, man, we faced a lot of adversary.
Like, my little brother, Fat, the ones that I grew up with, he called Cabral Murder at 17.
That shit made me cry, bro.
Like, I had friends that died.
I couldn't cry, but when I see my little kid catch the Capitol Murder, that she's
That shit made me cry, you know.
But that's the type of shit that we came up under.
He beat it, right?
Then I went to prison, but I okayed that shit.
Why did you go to prison?
I had two aggravated robberies and one aggravated assault.
But this is what happened, though.
I was getting a lot of bullshit cases, pistol cases, burglaries, possessions, all misdemeanors.
So every time I go to the county, I get slapped on the wrist.
I'm not learning my lesson.
I'm not even tripping.
I don't know what it feel like to get a felony, right?
But the first time I get questioned about the feeling is 2017, they try to, like, pin an extra charge on me.
But they couldn't because it wasn't enough evidence, right?
So it's like, I always sat in the county and I'm a sick time served.
Like, I'm not going to pay these.
Ain't nobody going to pay to get me anyways.
And if I do got money, I got to keep this money.
Because when I get out, I got to have something.
So I always just, I was able to sit for a little bit up until I got that first felony.
They questioned me about it, but didn't indict me.
Whole time, the system playing the game, like, we're going to put this case to the side.
And when he catch some more cases, which that's exactly what I did,
fell victim to their little system game, they're running.
It was like, all right, when he comes back on some more.
charges, we're just going to pin this bitch back on.
And that's exactly what happened, because
a couple months later,
I used to gamble a lot, right?
And I just got tired of losing, bro.
So one day after I'm not bad gambling night,
shit, I couldn't sleep.
Next morning, 5 a.m.
The sun out.
I'm putting a mask on.
You know, I got colored eyes and shit.
Man, the bitch in the,
I had two victims on my case.
It was a dude.
And he was a bitch, but, uh, women, I'm sorry.
But the dude, he was like, he ain't want to, like, come up off his shit, right?
I just walked in the parking lot, stick them up.
He didn't want to come up off of it.
So he was studying up.
He was like an Indian dude.
You know, he probably had more heart than the average American.
He was like, yeah, no, I don't want to lose my car.
So I was like, man, it's been other people in situations like that where they actually kill the dude
because they don't know what they're doing.
But I just, I seen the whole time it was a woman behind me watching.
And she had like a Camero and shit, right?
Man, I ain't had no, like, I know it's wrong, but what, how my mom was getting done in Chicago.
Like, I remember, like, man, my mom got different stories and she'll have to talk about it and I have to hear that shit.
But at one time she said when she was pregnant in Chicago, you know, one of the one.
them dudes try to snatch her necklace in person, end up near her in her stomach while she
pregnant.
So I gotta hear this shit.
I gotta hear about that.
I ain't showing my mom no mercy.
So I was like, man, I just felt this huge, I was able to go walk up on this woman and take
her shit.
You know what I didn't do nothing to her, I ain't harm her.
But even if I didn't lay a finger on her and took her shit, it's still aggravated robbery,
still $599.
And even though this last dude ain't come up off of it, off the gun, shit, that's another
$599 for that.
But it's just like, man, it's so much shit that
I ain't get caught for it to where like,
man, I got just, it's just the system.
You know what I'm saying? That's how you got
to think, like, okay, well, you
you're in an injustice
serving right now, but
think about all the other shit that you could,
you know what I'm saying, got caught up for
being young, but
yeah, that
that's how I got my cases. I had
two aggravated robberies and one aggravated
assault with a deadly weapon.
you gambling at? Was it just like private underground spots? It's like dice games crank up everywhere
in a basketball court, in apartment. Like, remember I said I grew up going to the basketball court.
I'm playing basketball at this court. This is where we come to. But they got a tennis court
in between. That's where all of gambling going. And I'm seeing people come in. They got bitches, bad
That bitch has got cars, man.
It's like, like, this is the flash of shit going.
This is where you can see the flash of shit going in these type of places, people, places
and things.
That's how that was.
Like, I'm trying to play basketball at the court, but shit before you know it, man, I got like
$4 in my pocket.
I'm going to jump in this dice game.
And then now they get to know you.
So now you're sure you got to face people, people see you every day.
And it's like, man, like I say, everybody got something to play.
prove, bro. Everybody got their own ego that they want to like, you know, they want to,
they want to stand on their business. How much money did you lose that you needed to go rob
someone? That shit was like $500. So it wasn't that much money. But to me it was, though,
because I was sick and tired of losing. You know what I mean? Then the drugs, the drugs made it worse.
Yeah. My mental health was off, though. That's the number one thing, though. Mental health is off.
Now, why not rob the people at the dice game or the people running it?
Why go after innocent people?
What was the logic behind that?
Shit.
It's been times where, like, I did try to do that.
And it's like, I remember a little fat.
He was in the dice game.
I had just got hit, right?
And I was like, I walked out.
And then, like, I told somebody, like,
I'm going there with my mood.
But LeFat was still gambling.
Then they were like, I ain't even tell him nothing.
You know what I'm saying?
But it's just like, that's my brother.
So it's like, I remember like, like somebody tried to tell him something.
Before I went with my move, I wouldn't even tell him anything.
And he, you know, he ain't really like, he didn't appreciate that.
Because it'd be, even though it's, it might just be one partner in the dice game that I fuck with.
But if I'm going to come rob this whole dice game,
I'm gonna fuck up his face because of what I did.
So I always was real, like, cautious of that.
I don't want nobody to pay for what I'm doing.
So that's why, like, I don't know.
That was just the smartest thing for me to do at that time.
At the end of the day, it wasn't smart at all
because I had to, like, pay for the consequences every day for them decisions.
But, like I said, it was like, I didn't even plan that shit.
I was just wandering off.
Like, damn, I just lost my mind.
And like, I never say, as soon as I lose my money, I'm feeling, you know what I'm saying?
It was just like, it was like I got possessed, bro.
I swear God, because I got dropped off and I just walked in.
And at this time, like, my mom, she's been kicking me out since I was in 15, 16.
I used to sleep in my car by my own car.
I was young.
But it was just like, I'm used to getting kicked out.
When I could stay with my mom, I, like, pop up every now and then.
But this time, right before I caught my case, I was able to go in my mom's house.
And it's on the camera and everything.
Police came and took my own cameras.
They seen me get dropped off, walk in, and then, like, two minutes later, they'll walk out.
And all I did was just go in there and get my other gun because I had just gambled my other gun.
This was crazy, bro.
I had lost my money and my other gun.
But that gun I had was stolen, right?
So it kind of wasn't no loss to me.
And my bullets, I was running out of bullets because I was doing shit, right?
But that's what I'm saying.
I went to duty robberies with a gun that didn't have no bullets in it.
Just because I couldn't stand being broke for long.
It was like kind of anxiety attack, bro.
Like, voice in my head, I got to do something.
Shit down the streets, parking lot of the departments.
Man, you walk over there.
And, y'all died.
I didn't have no bullets.
But when I took that car and came back, because like I said, Mesquite right next to Dallas,
so I left Mesquite.
So the Mesquite Police Department is going to be looking for me in Mesquite.
I'm going to go to Dallas.
So I went to Dallas for a little bit in this apartment, parking like just scamming through what I came across,
coming to find out the lady.
The poor lady was on the way to a job.
Don't got no money.
And I'm just taking away from the poor.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, that's why I do feel bad about, because, like, you know, everybody out here, you know, they try.
And by you, by me trying to take something from somebody, it's never going to go good.
But, you know, the influences and you see somebody else come up on the lick.
It's like, you think this shit going to work out for you, but it never work out for nobody.
But when I left the apartment and seen it wasn't nothing, my stupid ass came back to Mesquite.
But the only reason I came to Mesquit is because I were going to go to the studio.
And in this studio, I was just going to post up there and try to record some music because that's how I was rapping.
And I was going to leave the car park at this other park in a lot, just walk over there.
So if they do track it, they ain't going to find me.
As soon as I got on the highway back to Mesquite, it was like in Mesquite.
In Mesquite, the police department, they'll give a civilian in the police car to where.
where it's say civilian next to the police car.
So it's not a real police, but it's a civilian
come to do some voluntary police shit, right?
And he got behind me and called the shit in.
Oh, they'll go to Rio Camaro.
He exes and this.
So I'm, damn, I come hit the back streets.
And I'm on my way trying to run to the studio, right?
After I told him, I'm going to park away from the studio,
but I'm going to walk across the street.
It was like, you know, the Aldi grocery store.
I had to walk past their parking lot before I reached the apartments that I was headed to.
And I was thinking about, man, I need to dump the gun.
But I were like, man, I'm holding on to that bitch.
That's what, that's no one thing.
Like, if you out here doing crime like that, you got to get rid of your weapon, man.
They just show you how inexperienced I was, just greedy.
I got to keep this.
I don't got shit.
And they caught me with it.
For right, right when I start walking on the parking lot, man, they swarmed their bitch in, bro.
And I swear to God, like, I didn't have no bullets in the gun.
But it's like, I just, I just, the only reason I thought about that for they came slant me in my face is because, like, I got fantasy about, like, it's called holding court in the street, bro.
You know, as I say, the police just been, feel like harassing me when I was in Chicago, they just,
ran in the house like that. I ain't tell you about the part when the whole Swap came in.
My mom's my house, eighth grade, by us just going, stepping outside, looking at the helicopter.
I was like, my partner was over there. His sister called, like, don't step outside. It's
a helicopter. I come outside and look at the helicopter. The whole time they think it's
us, and we're just kids. And Swat came in and ran down on us, pulled us out the house.
We could have filed a lawsuit. But my mom, you know, she's an immigrant. And I'm a young kid.
Like, we just all try to sweep this shit under the rug.
But at the same time, it's growing this trauma for me.
Like, I can't, I'm thinking police here to help us, public servants and peace officers.
Shit, they drawn down on me every time, bro, coming in the house.
So, like, up until that point, when I seen that, I haven't got no bullets in the gun.
I said, I can't shoot it out these holes.
And I was like, that was my last thought before they slammed me.
And I began my four and a half of year.
prison bed.
So how did they give me
four and a half years?
I sat in the county
for a year straight.
Mind you,
the aggravated assault
with deadly weapon,
they don't got no evidence on it.
But they convicted me
on this shit just because
they said, okay,
you got the two aggravated robberies.
If you want to go to trial
for this aggravated assault,
you have to take
these two aggravated robberies
to trial also.
But you're dead to wrong
on these.
So we find you not
guilty for these.
You're making this
pay money to go try for this shit, or we're going to smoke your ass for these holes.
For these two aggravated robbers, we'll give you 10, 15 each just for making us pay.
So, like, with that coercion and just with them numbers, it's like, okay, I'll plead guilty
to this shit, even though I'm not guilty.
You know, that's how that went for me, but they were stuck at 10 years for a year, for years straight.
They didn't come off 10.
And in Texas, aggravated time, you got to do 50% of your time.
So it was like five years before I come up for parole.
You know, five years I got to do flat, then I'm able to be eligible for parole.
Not meaning that that I could get released, but it came down to a seven.
Yeah, I signed up for pretrial.
That was scary too, bro.
I was like, man, you see so many people get fucked old.
And then once they give you that number, shit, that's your problem now.
Like, they're going on to the next case, to the next inmate.
So I was like, man, I had that show stressful.
But I brought it down.
They came to a seven-year sentence, assigned for it, and left the county from there.
How'd your parents feel about this?
Did you talk to them?
My dad, at first, he didn't come around the first five or six months.
But my mom
She ended up getting
And I feel bad, bro
I might cry on this bitch
Bro, you hear me
But shout out to my mom
And then for kids watching
Like they can learn from it
Like then this shit's not cool
Like
Because when you go to jail
You think you can handle it
And you probably can
But your mom
Look at you like a baby
Like the same baby
That she was fucking breastfeeding
And she don't look at you like no hardcore criminal and go through time for years and shit.
So my mom end up getting too stressed out.
You know, stress is what causes counselors and shit.
So I seen her, like, lose weight, get sick.
She got two diagnoses, lupus and something else.
No cure.
Both of them just cut all the stress.
So that's how my mom took it at the beginning and towards the end.
She got stronger.
But my dad, he'll be like, tough love.
Like, he ain't come to five months first, but when he did come to see me and visitation
unexpectedly, I walk in, I'm smiling and shit, happy to see him.
He ain't smiling at nothing.
I pick up the phone, he go off in Spanish, like, going to fuck off on me, he got me crying,
like, grown, man crying because my dad's still, right?
All the times I disrespecting him, like, he cut him.
he's disrespectful towards my mother.
Like blaming my mother.
I got to hear him talk bad by my mother.
That's how he always been, though.
But that's how they took it.
Now, when you do a robbery like that,
are you feeling bad, you know, right after it happens?
Or does it take days, weeks, months, years later to feel remorse?
It's like each robbery is different.
Each robbery is going to bring out a different reaction out of everybody.
So it's like every person is going to be a different reaction.
don't leave a different, like, effect on you.
But at the same time, it's like no remorse the same time.
At that time, like, while I'm doing it, I don't see that I should feel bad for it.
I got no problems on my own.
And it would be so wicked, bro.
Like, I remember, I didn't get caught for this one, but I ain't going to just allegedly
though.
But this is the example of what I feel.
But I remember one dude, this is around time.
It was Halloween, bro.
I ain't going to say too much, but, man, I sent a grown man scream and running for his life.
To worry, like, I couldn't even get nothing.
So it's like you trying, but it's like sometimes, like, every time it's going to be something,
you're going to be sitting up thinking about this shit, like playing this shit back in your head.
Like, damn, it's a grown-ass man screaming.
running for his life.
At that point, it was kind of funny to me.
But they're just daubonical, right?
But now I look like, man, if it was the wrong person I ran up on, he would kill me.
Or, like, it would have been easier to just get killed.
Imagine I get put in a wheelchair because he just go off, pull his gun out, and paralyze me.
Or I got to have a shit bag.
Like, it's so many other ways that it could have went in, and, and, and, you know,
Now that I'm older, I'm grateful that it didn't go down like that.
But when I were going through that shit, I was, like, retarded, like, thinking this shit
were funny, bro.
Like, also because, like, the trauma that I had, like, I kind of wanted people to feel any kind of pain that I were going through.
So, you know, hurt people, hurt people.
So that, that was my mindset at that time with the robberies that I were going.
I really didn't give a fuck.
I didn't care about, like, no.
Yeah, some people, I felt like certain shit I were doing, some people deserved that shit.
But then certain people didn't deserve that at all, right?
But, yeah, like, it was real, like, a ruthless way of thinking.
What prison did they send you to?
I started off at Plainview was my set unit.
Plainview unit, it was kind of, in Texas, you got ID units,
and you got transfer units.
ID units is like the big houses.
It's like maximum security, the red brick units.
These are the gladiator tanks, gladiator units.
So when you add a transfer unit, that's kind of like weak.
Like people look at transfer units.
They ask, oh, you was on a transfer unit.
Oh, it must have been friendly over there.
So it's like that's a standard.
like, oh, you don't meet the standard if you're at the transfer unit.
So the first part that I went to, it was H-PAR.
This was the most fucked up part at the whole tank, right?
At the whole unit, this is one tank that I got sent to.
And then, like, mind you, they do that on purpose, like,
oh, they're going to send all of aggravated robberies, aggravated assault.
If you got more than 40 years, they automatically send.
you to an ID unit.
You don't go through transfers and shit.
But it'd be crazy because it'd be people that got two years that's like supposed to be
on their way out, supposed to be at home in a couple of months, probably one year or something
to go home to your family.
But it'd be them feeling like they got something to prove.
Like they start getting insecure because, oh, you only got two years or, oh, you
ain't put enough work in.
So it's like you got people that's going, like, foot soldiers for that mediocrity.
It's evil, bro, because you're being ignorant, you know what I'm saying?
Like, you're not taking that time to grow.
And soon you're going to see, though, it's a bottomless pit.
Like, you only get in a fucked up situation.
Doing bad, it's only going to get worse in that place, right?
So, and on this tank, at first, it was real racist, like two tanks over.
It was a Paiso Mexican from Mexico.
He ate with a black dude.
And in that unit, like, they set the tone like, oh, well, if you're racist eating with a different,
basically just black people, though, because white people and Mexicans, they can eat,
And it's not going to be no big-ass deal about it.
But the Mexican that ate with a black dude, days later, his gang plotting on him.
Like, every day, like, they spend time, like, you know, politicking on your life.
You might not even know it.
You just ate with them.
You don't even know.
They're feeling to come send a whole group of men to damn to kill you.
That same dude got curflighted, sits on a helicopter, and that's a lot of it.
I started learning about shit like that.
Oh, you can get sent off on a helicopter.
Oh yeah, because you're in the middle of nowhere.
So the nearest hospital, the quickest way to get you there is life threatening.
They're going to fly your ass on the helicopter and shit.
So yeah, that was like, that was what was going on their unit.
But mind you, it's like a chip on their shoulder.
It's still not gangster enough.
Like, it needs to be more gangster because this is only a transfer unit.
The big houses, that's where all the gang-should is, so this ain't gangster enough.
But I'm hearing about this shit, but I'm in my own tank.
I understand that.
And I'm young.
Mind you, I live in 19-20 and shit.
This house, you need to stay in.
This people that's 30, 40s.
And it's like, they still size you up.
Don't matter how old you is.
But the only person that I kind of like, like.
I'm, co-vibed with in the middle of nowhere, remind you, I'm falling out of Dallas.
So it's like you get sent to West Texas, Plainview, Texas, you start getting around people
from El Paso, that you never even dealt with.
Like, you probably don't got no similarities with him.
Or you probably do, you know, you don't know who you meet.
You got people from down south Texas border towns, like, they look at me like, something
wrong with me.
like, why he talked like that?
Or what fuck he come from?
You know, like, what is?
You run with black people?
Like, that's the type of questions that people were just, like, wondering about me.
You know what I'm saying?
And they'll ask, but they're asking a different way.
Oh, you're a blood.
But really, they want to know, oh, you're wrong with black people, but they ask me,
oh, you're a blood?
Like, no, like, oh, you got a red tattoo, though.
I just like red.
I got a lot of red tattoos.
I ain't no blood.
You know, blood said where I'm from.
And I'm like, oh, okay.
But the whole time, they're like, man, he's riding with black people.
And then, like, like, just the same unit where shit, if you eat with a black dude, you're going to get sent him in a helicopter and shit.
So it was a, it was my neighbor.
His name, Fetty.
He was a pimp, right?
He used to tell me about all the pimp stories, bro.
I used to just get, like, game from that shit.
Because, like, you got pimps down there.
Like, the motherfuckers would be.
smart, bro.
Like, them day different.
Like, then I got to see this shit, right?
He was my neighbor.
Like, that's how I did my time at that time, like, just riding, like, oh, what
happened in that day?
Well, Harry Hines is known in Dallas, one of the biggest host throes in the country.
And he's telling me about what's going on up there and shit.
It's shit like a movie.
One thing led to another.
The next thing you know, we eating.
You know what I'm saying?
Eating with this man.
And after this other dude got sitting on a helicopter for the same shit, then it's, that's like, people are like, people feeling like, damn, like, you just broke a big rule, a big penitentiary rule.
Then I'm coming in this shit, not even, like, paying attention to it.
Like, oh, no, it's not like that, you know what I'm saying?
But, shit, that, that, that had built up a lot of tension.
He ended up feddy ended up.
getting moved because that was like right when people started getting their jobs.
You know, they got the whole squad in TDC, like, people work the fields to go pick up potatoes
and shit.
Real slave work, you know what I'm saying?
In Texas, they got one of their biggest sources of, like, where they make money is the free labor
they get from the Texas prison system.
You know what I'm saying?
It's some money coming up out of them, you know, and, uh, shit, federation.
who weren't going. I had did so much paperwork to her like, I put myself in school to avoid
getting that job because they were going to send me out there. If you got violent charges,
you're the first one that's going to go out there. I don't think they do that no more. I think
they just stopped making people go out there and 100 degree well and working from 8 to 2,
like a ridge for free. If anything, you just get an extra trade or some bullshit. You know what I'm
But, yeah, one time Fetty got into it with the law and bucked them.
So they took his shit from our tank and put him in lockup and shit.
So after that, I couldn't really, like, I couldn't see him no more.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, I just started, like, being more like to myself.
And it was another dude named Weddo.
He had, like, my same name.
My name Werto, but his name Wadogu G and shit.
He was from Amarillo.
And the whole time, he's, like, getting the pills in.
Like, he's the dude just getting the pills smuggled to the unit by the police, by the correctional officer.
He's in this tank with us, you know what I'm saying?
And, like, he just just, see how I moved.
So, like, I don't know, I had favor, bro.
Like, people would just, people would just want to, like, bless my game, like, feed me when I ain't have nothing.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, not every time, but little shit like that I remember, bro.
And it'd be some, some top niggas, like, from different cities, you know what I'm saying?
I had, like, good camaraderie with some stumped down men, like, wise.
I got to ask, I'm going to ask questions.
So, like, they'll have businesses that they left in the world.
And I'm asking, oh, how you run your business, asking questions, oh, what it's like to have that, you know, have your own building, how much you pay, or what are our insurances you need?
How have work, how to feel having a staff?
How does that work?
You know, that's how people will grow to like me.
Because it's like, man, he got potential.
He might come home and do something.
his life, you know what I'm saying?
But I ended up getting shipped from their unit for, they said it was a race ride.
But this was crazy.
I'm fucking with Wadro G, right?
And he's a Pisa.
Mind you, this is the same game that care flighted.
The last Mexican ate with a black dude.
But like I said, the favor that I got, like.
Thank God, like, they didn't do that shit to me, bro.
Like, they're madging, like, they didn't give dudes no heads up.
Like, whenever they choose to shoot that gas at you,
and the wolves come get you, like, you ain't going to know.
And, like, I just, thank God, like, that shit didn't catch me off guard.
If anything, it was people trying to put me in position.
You know what I'm saying?
The big thing down there was, like, winning the correction officer.
That were like a big goal that I set for myself.
I didn't have no woman holding it out with me.
You know what I'm saying?
Like when I was in the free world, I didn't have, like,
I was just like a dog-ass dude, like, fuck bitches and cut them all.
So, like, when I'm in prison, shit, I can't even reach out to no,
because all the women that I dealt with, they hurt.
They mad how I did them.
So now I got to be down here without, like, no,
from a woman. I'm trying to break one of the correction officers. I'm in front. They face every
day when they down here. So it was like I got to like where G-had broke the law. So now I'm
like, man, well, how does she go? Like, people ain't going to tell you. People, people don't even
want to share that type of shit with you. Like, you're not supposed to tell people, oh,
what, this, I got all this going on. But if they trust you or no, they'll tell you, you
And I learned slowly like that, like learning how to manipulate the laws and the confidence you've got to have.
The shit that I take note on.
But the whole time, it was tension growing with, they got the Tango Blas.
The Tango Blas was in the tank.
It was like, it could be one bad apple that fuck up the whole bunch, bro.
And that's how that was.
It was just one dude.
He was older.
And because he was older, he had kind of like that seniority.
Like, he kind of had a leadership position.
And when you got that position, especially in prison, like, you can crash out the whole tank.
If you don't know what the fuck you're doing, you don't know how to handle certain situations.
And a lot of times it would be about fear because you don't know how to handle what's going on based off your fear.
But people are swirping down there
They're not scared
But I learned one thing
Bro
Everybody's just scared
Down there
Like nobody's gonna come out
Oh I'm scared
Everybody's gonna try
Oh I'm not scared
But you gotta learn how to read
Through that shit
But there was this
Mind you
On this tank
Fetti
The pimp dude
I'm taking it got moved
He would probably like
The stiffest black dude
Over there
So now that he left
It's probably like
Two, three other black people
that's like, they weren't as aggressive.
So, like, all these woods and Mexicans
and they get to see that, it's like preting on the weak.
Like, you shouldn't have shown weakness.
Even if it's out of your control,
it's like it's only four of y'all in here,
but it's outnumbered, you know what I'm saying?
But it was a black dude came in there,
and he started skipping the phone and shit.
and he's not knowing that like these people on some racist shit in here and they already look at like
the black car like oh they're going to run all over them because they don't got no numbers
and then that shit get wicked bro like people people uh participate in that shit and there's strength
in numbers and um like me i was like against the grain because i want to
I wasn't in that. I wasn't in that type of type of time. I wasn't on that type of time. I was like, shit, cool with the black folks. So, uh, shot his name was Shirek. Shirek came in there and he skipped like two, three people on the phone. So phone list. And the two, three people that got skipped, bro, they'll go to their homeboys and tell them out, bro, just skip me. And it's like, dude that skip. Like, like, he got size on them. Big, guys.
dude, like, this the stiffest black dude that they got.
And he just come over here, hogging shit, right?
They were cutting him out of other tanks because he was skipping them over there.
But he came to the right tank to do that shit at because these folks got something for you, right?
Like, they plodded on them.
And it was supposed to be a one-on-one, bro.
But the people that were getting skipped, they're like, oh, he's too big for him and all that shit, all that picking and choosing shit.
But, like, I'm the youngster, right?
I'm the young dude getting introduced to this.
But it's like, if you don't have nobody stepping up and, like, man, you got to run this shit like that.
Like, you got to be the speaker for the tank.
You got to prevent all this shit that can make everybody just get shipped.
And that's eventually what ended up happening.
The dude that got skipped, he ended up, like, sneakie it.
him. You're not supposed to suckle-pun, sneak nobody in prison. You're not supposed to stomp on them.
When you're fighting, you're supposed to let them back up. It's all type of little rules that they got
that prevent a big riot and shit. But a dude had snuck Charette. His name was Bubbles, bro.
It was like, it was a dude named Bubbles that popped the riot off. That's how goofy this shit was.
But he got skipped, so Bubbles had, like, snuck up on him.
mind you, there's a corner that's kind of like a blind spot, and that's where you go to work out.
I was working out at this time, and then what they would do, they'll be like lace up, like put your shoes on.
So once they get thrown in the air, I'll put your shoes on.
That means some shit going to happen.
But that whole week prior, like, I've been here, put your shoes on for four or five days.
straight, bro, and I've been putting my shoes on.
And I'm really like, before
that happened, I'm really like,
like, I'm sizing shit up.
I think this dude, I'm going to have
to fight because it's, it's, it's, it's,
tension in the air. But it wasn't
nothing to go, nothing
popped off, bro. I remember one time my
mom came driving from Dallas
to plane views, a six-hour drive.
Man, I got
woke up before I could even go to vegetation.
Dude, like, whether or G, like,
hey, you're probably going to be a fight.
And a couple of hours and shit just put the shoes on.
The whole time I got a visitation.
You know what I'm saying?
But, man, you got to part to them.
In my perspective at that time, and it wasn't the right thing.
Because, like, damn, my mom, like, think about that.
She'd go out her way to drive six hours, bro, to come to see you.
And, like, my mindset, well, man, I got to get ready for this fight
just because it's a survivor thing.
Like, if I don't follow up,
with this, something might happen to me. Some could have already been happen to me. So this
kind of like, man, this is going to keep me afloat if I go in there and fight. So I'm, I'm
fucking my mind up like that. The whole time it's not even no fight. Oh, I go to visitation,
I'm good. So the last time they say put the shoes on, I don't even take this shit serious.
The whole time, they fin pop it off on them by this phone. But I'm just working out. You know,
I'm in the quorum. I'm trying to get big. I was smaller then. I just felt like, man, I got
I got to get my weight up, so I didn't even give a fuck about what was going on.
The whole time, Bubbles come and sneaking him.
This is how weak this year was.
But shout out the Bubbles, but it just was so weak, bro, because, man, at that time, they were really acting like, oh, we had a fucking riot.
Man, that shit was not all right.
I had seen riots in middle school, like kids, knocking people unconscious, and I'm seeing adults in the prison.
Like, no, that's not the same.
thing, but they shrug her down to this.
And when Bubba's
had
had like, like, sucker point in Shirek,
he ain't do nothing to him. Shariq turned around,
hit him two times, and knock
Bubba's on the floor. And Bubba's
hit his head on the, on the locker.
The whole time, he's in front
of me. So, like,
I turned around, that shit popped
off right in front of me to where, like,
my first instinct is to help
up Bubba's because this is your
fight, you know what I'm saying? Then you're on the
flow, I'm going to help you up.
But his homeboy has blitzed him.
Blitzed Iraq.
Then the woods, the white dudes, they came in and showed out.
Because then them people from West Texas, them country white dudes, that's a different breed,
bro.
Like, they started saying racial terms I've never heard.
And it's like, they introducing me to their culture.
You know what I'm saying?
And it's real, like real Vikings, you know what I'm saying?
and they were deep.
They had numbers.
So they were like, man,
they were trying to prove their point.
And before, like, the swords could walk in,
like, you know, they see that on the camera.
So it's probably like three, four minutes
or just people in there getting chased.
You know, it's already outnumbered.
It's literally like a 50-man tanker.
There's only four black people.
So it's probably,
like six people on each black dude or they under the table running like that's
really going on and I'm sitting back like mind you I just help bubbles get up off the
flow bubbles through their winked ass shit and he got knocked out and he got back up that
shit was over with for him but that was his business to handle but he didn't instead he got the
whole fucking the whole tank crash and um I swear go I ain't ever told him about this bro
But I remember as I was walking, I like, I didn't know whether to go jump in a fight or I don't know what to do.
But I just remember, like, I felt like too, like, imaginary hands just holding me.
But it was, like, wicked, though.
It didn't feel good.
It just felt like some most shit were going on.
And then I just remember hearing like weird, like a flash noise, like a flash bang noise.
And I just remember seeing this shit take place.
And it just like it went further.
And that caused for the SARS to come to the door like four out four minutes later.
They ain't even gassed that bitch.
As soon as the SARS walked in, everybody was at their bump.
Mind you, when it's a real riot, like the 10.
team come in with shields and they spray that bitch down.
Like, they didn't spray nothing down in that tank.
Everybody was at their seat.
I'm telling you, really wasn't even too much shit to get active with.
It wasn't black folks.
They wouldn't have enough numbers to fight back, bro.
And, oh, that shit led to, like, an investigation to where, like, it took part of, like,
the rest of the day, they started interviewing people.
Like, what happened? What happened? And shit, I mean, if you didn't say nothing, well, you're going to go to the back and begin the process of getting shipped.
And if you did say something, well, you can stay and we'll just house you somewhere else.
Where I chose not to say nothing. I don't know what happened. I just looked up. I was working out.
I'm like, okay, well, you're getting booked. I'll go back. And then on top of getting maxed out, by the style.
I got inmates and shit asking me like kids, bro, like, what you do, bro?
What you do in the riot, bro?
Like, all that shit.
I'm like, that one ain't all right.
Like, bro, y'all are supposed to run ones.
Y'all are supposed to get this shit over with.
Y'all got everybody in this bitch fin to get sent to the maximum security.
And then this just started my journey.
Like, I'm supposed to stay out the way, get certificates and shit.
Before I can even do that, finish my class in school, I get shipped to a maximum security
for this weak-ass-ass ride.
But it was kind of like some politicking going on, but I'm some slick shit.
They're like, oh, so you ain't do nothing?
Damn, you ain't, they started trying to put that jacket on me.
Oh, you ain't ride.
You didn't ride for the Mexicans.
Like, damn, that shit gets you fucked off.
Then whole time it's just secret indictments coming on.
the inmate behalf, not to mention the correctional officers, they already speaking on giving
free world charges off this shit.
Then this is a different county.
You know what I'm saying?
So like you got to, when you catch free world charges in prison, while you're in TDC,
you're going to get a bench warrant back to a different county, go to court, then go back to
TDC.
You know, that's all the shit that I was facing right at the beginning of my seven years sentence.
I only had like one year done.
I got to do three and a half before I come up for parole, but now I'm looking like, by the time I come up for parole, I'm barely just going to start getting up out of this shit.
They'll probably deny that shit.
So I'll come up about six, seven years, about a five, six year mark.
But I learned a law.
You got all that time on your hands.
I started investigating, oh, how can we write a grievance?
How can we fight this?
Man, all of us
Roll this shit out together
Just writing grievances
Step 1
Got denied
Oh, gonna bring us
A step 2
Let's fill out the step 2
Feel that bitch out
Got the case overturned
Probably two months down the line
But two months down the line
We already got shit
We already hit
My maximum
Security unit that I hit
It was all red unit
And uh
Wichita Falls
James V
all red. They call it bloody
all red. And this shit
crazy. I got on the chain bus.
This is the
psych patient chain bus.
But it caught
art chain because these the G5s.
That's what I got
the custody level. You got a general
population. And
once you get a serious charge, like a riot
charge, they put you like at the bottom
of the prison. Like all this G5
custody, it's closed custody.
That means you get 23 hours in the cell with a cellar and one hour recreational.
And then after one year doing that, you do six months G4 medium custody, which is you do like four hours in a day room and like 20.
It just they start letting you up off like there's a jail within jail.
So like once you go through these steps and stages, you come back to general population.
level, but immediately when I got down there, you started at the worst, you know.
The worst level under that was SIG, which is like you don't got no silly.
But sometimes at the beginning, it kind of looked safer going SIG.
Like, it kind of was safer for, I thought it was, for me to sit in the cell and probably
go crazy, but at least I don't got to worry about getting killed.
Because when I got on the chamber, I'm just listening.
talking, it was one dude from ATX from Austin, and he had like 50 years, like, young,
little dude, bro.
Like, you'd be seeing people look like they 18 years old.
How much time you got?
She's 45.
I got five years on this bitch.
They're like, I had some Versace's and shit.
And then I'm like, dude just walked up me.
Let me buy them.
You buy them Versaches, bro.
Then I'm just starting a conversation with me like that.
But before you know it, like, he's just telling me everything.
What's going on?
Oh, yeah, I already.
Man, there's a lot of sight patients, G5.
People had, you know, just lost their mind back there taking psych meds every day.
You don't know what he'll do.
Then the fans, the weapons that they were using, they had sanctions and shit too, but the
fan model was what was the popular, was the high commodity over there, like, that bitch
they'll put it in a sock and man, just, you know, blow your head, like, popular.
your top, you know what I'm saying?
Like, you get hit with that fan motor at full speed.
You're going to die, you know what I'm saying?
And there was a real thing.
Like, like, it was because of the sight patients tripping out.
Like, once you, your cell in close custody will be the most dangerous person out of everybody.
Because when you go to the wreck, you probably be out here for one hour with these people.
But shit, they don't got to live with you.
But you're silly, though, that's, you.
then like if y'all start fighting in here
like you don't know where to go down
like there's so many sharp corners
the edges of the table
your noggin hit
that shit too hard
and you're unresponsive
and you might die
bro and it's crazy because people
don't think that shit's serious
like just bare hands
like that's one thing
but if you fall back
and put all your weight on
the accident like
that man it'll kill you for real and uh that's how uh that that i got left i left the first
unit i was at and i hit the maximum security though now were you still i guess independent
in the maximum security um well for mexicans they call it solo so when i came in there and like
who you run with um solo but the mexicans is the social
street, like the prison system and within the Mexican community, like, even though you're
not in the game, you still got to go through certain procedures like if you were in the game.
So it's kind of like, you know, I was solo.
I still was like somehow, some way had to participate in the shit that they had going on,
whether it was violence or whatever, you know what I'm saying?
As far as just like, it's just violence, though.
You know, that's the only thing I was participating in that I felt I was forced in just violence.
Yeah.
And that's all because you're a Mexican.
Like, you have to stick with them.
Because it's called like a heart check.
Like, from my understanding, they say, well, you solo, you get a heart check.
They'll take it easy on you.
They'll probably put somebody in your weight class around that time like 160.
So I'm thinking I'm going to fight somebody 160.
But the way they run it to you, it's like, man.
They're baking a cake for you.
You know what I'm saying?
It's either way, though.
They can be like, okay, we're going to do this right now.
I'm going to run it.
And they're trying to see your reaction.
Like, it's like a, it's like chest in there, bro.
Like, they're going to throw shit at you, just try to see your reaction.
And that's just the beginning part.
Then when it's like, when you thought this shit was cool, that when they pulled up,
okay, well, after child, we're going to meet in the shower and we're going to fight in there.
And, yeah, that's just, that's how.
That's how they talk to you.
And that's how you got to show up for yourself.
I'm thinking, like, I'm thinking, we're cool.
It'd be my people.
I'm thinking it's my partner.
And it is my partner.
But the fighting was recreational in there.
It was, like, mandatory.
Especially because how I looked like a pretty boy, like, man, they thought they could break me, bro.
But they couldn't.
You know, I just had kept my head up.
And she kept God first, bro.
That's the only way I made it out there shit.
I stayed, prayed up, and I stayed in that Bible, too.
You know what I'm saying?
I read a lot of scripture when I got scared.
A lot of their scripture helped me out.
I built courage of reading them scriptures and stuff.
So what even is the difference between running solo or being in a gang if it's the same rules?
That's not like that's how the penitentiary.
It'll contradict itself in different ways, different occasions, like,
Like, they say it's different strokes for different folks.
It's really like that, bro, because like I said, I came to the unit where they sent a Mexican dude on a helicopter for eating with a black dude.
But I'll come eat with a black dude.
And I don't take parts in the race ride that they had.
Man, they're supposed to kill me for show.
Like, you broke one rule, then you broke the next one.
but shit, man, I'm just like, I'm seeing how pressure built up
and just how I had to show up for myself, bro.
And then, like I said, like, I believe in something greater than me.
But the way that she will play out, like, and I just had to face my fears, you know what I'm saying?
And the more and more I face my fears, the more and more like I'll grow to who I am now.
So those specific rules, like sitting with a black person don't apply to you because you're
in the gang.
Is that how that works?
No, it's really like,
it's just like,
man, if they're gonna fuck you over,
they're gonna fuck you over.
So they just pick and choose.
Type shit.
And, like,
it's kind of like,
I kind of made them feel like
they could fuck me over.
Just, okay, if he didn't participate
in the race ride,
he must not fight.
He must not fit and fight.
But when they see that,
oh, like, they,
They brought that shit out of me.
They want to bring this shit up, talk about it.
And they see, oh, man, he looks like he can go up right now.
And then, okay, but it didn't be like a lot of times they do that when they got numbers.
Like, this was crazy.
Like, they'll politic on your life with two, three, four other people.
But it's like the shit that they're trying to get me in trouble for, it's like, they're not going to be held accountable.
accountable for that shit.
But there's not no specific game, though.
It's just certain people at a certain place,
at the right time wrong.
Like at the right time, you catch yourself at the right time,
man, you get yourself fucked over just because it's two, three people
riding together.
They feel more confident about this shit.
It just happened to pop off.
But then it might be another situation where, shit,
it might, somebody might want to bring.
these two people who try to, like, politic on your life for something bad, and, like, they might not be on that shit.
Because they're really reasoning with whatever I'm saying, but he's the only one they were trying to get me fucked off.
But it's like, he's not doing anything about it.
And he thinks that his home boy is going to do it for him.
So, like, shit like that.
And it's just all-human psychology, because I'm sitting back studying everybody.
I'm sitting back, like, oh, then that's how he rocking like, you.
you want to do this shit with company.
You want to do this shit with help.
Like, then when they see that, man, I don't need no help.
You know, but I told you why I get my help from, you know,
higher source of real power.
Because like I say, like, not everybody just could, like, say what I'm saying.
Like, other people probably would have went different.
Did you know you were done with that criminal lifestyle before you got out of prison?
Hell, no.
And this is why, though, because when you hit the maximum security, I didn't know till now.
Like, I'm reflecting now.
Like, yeah, I never thought like that because the lifestyle that I had to be accustomed to, it was like, it was changing me.
Slow, slowly, but surely it was really making me like a convict, because I'm around nothing but convict.
Like, I'm paying attention to shit that convicts paying attention to.
But how can I be ready for the free will and the law-abiding citizen when I'm around
people that's like, that's doing the exact opposite?
That's being bold enough to try to beat that shit.
And that's the thing, the shit that I had to, like, live with, like, lifers.
I'm around lifers.
So, like, I can't think like no free world, dude, because I might show weakness.
I'm like, if they get the impression that, oh, he want to go home, like, that's like
not a good look for me to continue trying to thrive in this community.
Like, if I'm having stuff and, like, people might want to come do something to me because
they think I'm weak, you know what I'm saying?
So it was like, it was a responsibility for me to keep up.
with his lifestyle, like, oh, they don't give a fuck.
So I can't give a fuck.
And it's like, it's shit crazy how I still went home.
Like, I could have gotten more time.
Like I'm saying, other people try to do the shit I do, like, they mess their parole
off or they end up catching the extra charge.
So, like, I know it's a favorite thing, like, because, man, not everybody can just try
I do that shit, especially the Mexican, because, like, them Dallas, like, the thango blasts,
they big in Dallas.
They're big in the penitentiary.
They got the same.
If you're not blasting, you're not lasting.
So me, like, I wasn't blasting, but I was lasting.
But at the same time, it's, like, it's people that can do that just because I knew how to
move.
Like, I'm not out here thinking that I'm better than nobody.
I'm just respectful of them.
I'm going to respect myself.
and I'm going to respect everything or everybody around me.
But at the same time, like, it might be somebody else trying to do that shit.
And he fucked up just one way, went up out of it the wrong way,
and now that shit completely went left for him.
Like, that'd be the case for other people.
But luckily for me, I was like, man, I was blessed, bro.
Yeah.
What year did you get out of prison?
22.
So after what four and a half years?
Four and a half.
So that was like when I got my G2, like I said, I started at the bottom at that prison.
But when I got my case overturned, I went from being in close custody to move me, they moved me to high security, which was like kind of like a, like, like, like.
a little island within the prison, but I got to see that shit over there before I got sent
to my regular housing in the building.
So that was kind of like overflow.
So I went through the overflow building and it was almost another riot going to take place.
That's the thing though.
It's like in that prison it was stressful because it's like, man, I'm hoping it's not going
to be a riot for real this time.
Then the last time it probably was a weak riot, but this time, like, you know, tell him there
might be somebody coming for me this time.
The last one, it wasn't nobody coming from me.
So I didn't feel like I had to do anything.
But just by you not getting active, just by you not participating, then you get smoked for
that shit.
Oh, you're going to catch the wall in the middle of a riot.
But it's like, shit, like the riot that took place for me, it wasn't even no real riot
because they got overturned.
So it's just like, it's easy for somebody to try to put a bad jacket on you.
And once that bad jacket put on you, I mean, it's hard to lose it.
And down there, especially you got to do year for year for year.
And it's like, man, I just felt like being around all of them lifers.
It's like I had to live like them.
Like, I had to live like I'm doing a life sentence too because, I mean, we all men here.
And some people will get ahead of themselves.
Some people try to, like, be predators, however they want to go up out of it, whether it's taking something from you or trying you in a whole different way.
And then, and I got to see that down there because, like, I seen men treat, like, other men like women.
Like, and then they were acting like women.
Like, what I mean by women is, like, the submission.
Like I seen men submit to other men
And like I remember the look in their eyes
Bro, like, they're just soulless
You know what I'm saying?
Like far gone like like
Like man that shit was bad
Because the gay shit was real
You know what I'm saying?
Like that's the place where people
Don't spend 20 years
30 years
Like you got an old man over there
That's been here
Since the 90s
And he ain't finna go home anytime soon.
So it's like, it's a different atmosphere.
Because not everybody gay, not everybody that got a lot of time gay,
because there's a lot of people that still stand on their same principles,
you know what I'm saying, got people in the world that's supporting them
and giving them the hope they need to not just fall victim to whatever the fuck they're doing.
You know what I'm saying?
But that shit was going on like, like, I remember the shower that was.
we were using fucking
gay dude
the punk came and
and
there was another punk
that was staying with us
and he fucking him
in our shower bro
but it's like
on some sleek shit
like you know they
they're in love for real
bro
and it's like
you gotta like
like you're trying to look at the TV
and boy you know it's like
where did one dude go
because you're aware of everything
Like, oh, there's somebody that's not staying in our tank just came in here.
Okay, five minutes later, where the fuck he at?
Then, you're like, man, I hope he's not in our shower.
Man, he ain't our shower.
Now we got to do somebody.
And then it's like, it's like you're either part of the problem or you're part of the solution.
And then luckily, the people that I was around, it was part of the solution, you know.
But it's like you got to tie your shoes up for that shit.
But when I hit this unit, when I first hit general population, general population on a maximum security, it was a young black dude named Boogie, Broderick Patterson.
He's the one that made this book, right?
But he has been locked up since he was 16.
But at that time, when he came on a part, he was like 10 years flat.
He did 10 years flat.
And I just remember, like, at that time, I only had two years in the system almost.
But I just remember, like, how different people, it's like a different breed.
Like, if you've been down there 10 years, like, you're a different breed.
Like, they be, like, different.
They've cut different.
Like, just, they've been down there for so long.
to their routines, they usually got a lot of size on them.
They head up.
They're real smart.
They read a lot of books, a lot of literature.
You know what I'm saying?
Then the perseverance that you go through all this shit is still trying to keep a
same mind.
Like I just noticed that in their auras.
Not everybody, because it might be somebody to do 10 years in the system and it's just
completely different than these folks that I'm talking about.
Might not have the same ethics and morals that they got the same.
leadership skills that they got, right?
But, uh, Boogie, he had, he had, he peeped me, you know what I'm saying?
He's seen how, like I said, like, that favorable real, because, um, my cellet, he was
a Mexican.
And I'm thinking this is my real friend and shit, right?
But it's like, he, he would, he did 10 years, too.
He was 10 years flat.
So when I moved in and said with him, he kind of were like, just explaining to me how
it is, but just because we Mexican, it's supposed to be, like, understood.
If you need some, I got you.
Whatever, whatever it is.
A soup.
You need some soap.
You don't got no shampoo.
Whatever it is.
Even if you, the police took your boxers.
I got extra pair of boxers.
Like, that's expected out of, like, the Mexicans.
That's how you got to be there for your people.
But whole time, like, nigger part of that saying a little sleek shit about me, like,
And I got my partner's telling me, like, just telling me, like, bro, he ain't your friend.
Like, I know that's your cellar and shit, but, like, don't think he fuck with you.
But then it's like, he ain't telling me in my face, you know what I'm saying?
But it's just like a little fuck shit like that.
That, like, I got to go live with him in the cell.
Like, when we get racked up and we in that bitch, like, I just don't talk to him no more.
Just kind of like, you know what I'm saying?
I just started picking up.
Like, it's just, I'm aware.
Like, okay, if they're saying that you're saying this, I'm just a way to see what you're really going to do.
But they're also trying to see like, oh, can I put the key in this young nigga back?
Can I make them fight just off saying something?
How quick where he lose his temper, just off.
But it's like, I was smarter than that.
You know what I'm saying?
But one thing about him, though, he used to sleep with a knife.
He was shorter, though.
He was small.
I know I could beat him up.
But it was like, man, then the way I found out about his knife,
It was on accident because the window had like burglar bars on it and that, the knife had tilted over on accident and made a loud-ass noise and shit.
But I just knew he and that bitch toting it, tolling that knife.
So it's like, you got to think, you got a, it's a real, it's a real, like, it's a mental battle because just because,
you could beat them up physically, like, you can't underestimate nobody.
But then at the same time, it's like you got to wait for this shit to present itself,
for you to be able to do whatever you want to do.
It got to be a certain way, you know.
And that tank, it was up under the TV.
That's where all the fighting going on or in the shower.
But in the cell, people do fight in this cell, too.
But it's just like, no, it's a certain way to go up at it.
But luckily, like me and him, like, it never went to no friction other than just knowing that my partner said he don't really fuck with me.
I'm just, I'm not going to fully believe him, but I ain't just going to fully believe him either because I don't know nobody in this bitch.
And I'm, like I said, I'm solo, you know what I'm saying?
So, uh, Boogie had, like, like, he kind of like, I don't know if he knew what going on with that, but he just, but he just, you know,
He ended up paying to give me moving and sell with him.
And that was a real friend, though, you know what I'm saying?
Because when I got around Buggie, it wasn't about a nigga telling me, talking about me behind my back, none of that shit.
And, yeah, that shit could have really started something too because, like, he ended up,
Buggy had a dirty-ass cellie.
So he was like, man, I don't put that nigga in that nigger shit.
And he had to deal with it.
But he didn't speak up on it.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, it could lead to a bigger altercation, but I'm just sitting back, like, paying attention.
Like, like, aware, you know what I'm saying?
I listen to times more than I speak.
That's why, you know, I just, I was able to survive because, like, I wasn't just too ahead of myself.
I was staying short and that shit ended up.
Like, he ended up, like, going home and shit.
But, Bogie had life.
He got locked up when he was 16, so he faced life sentence every day.
And, like, he, at that time, like, you know, we were in the game, like, getting commissary,
but not from the commissary window.
Like, inmates coming paying us commissary because, you know, we got the motion
and don't even for incriminate myself about what I was doing,
because I never caught no cases like that down.
The only case I caught with their ride case, and they got overturned.
And I'm not going to bring up nothing, but it's just a survival thing.
Like, the times that they didn't let us go to store, they don't, we got an opportunity
to go to the commissary.
This is our date, but somehow, some way, they just said, fuck y'all, y'all.
Y'all not going.
Y'all gotta wait another two weeks.
But this is how we survive.
We gotta have something to eat at a certain time.
You know, you get fed at 4 in the morning, then 12, then 4 p.m., but you might get hungry at 8.
Might get hungry at 10 at night.
If you don't got nothing in your locker, then shit, you can't eat nothing.
But it was just like finding a way, bro.
I really, I really, then my neighbor, Franco, I got to speak on this shit because he ended up getting trouble for it.
But Franco was bringing in the dope.
Like, he was young, too.
You know, he had one
A correction officer
And manipulated them to come bring that shit in
And I remember when we didn't have nothing
We were sharing bean tacos
Like we would cook the bean in the bowl
And put a fucking
Tortilla put the bean
That's like the cheapest form of a taco winner
And that's when we had to eat sometimes
Because, you know, that's how it was
For us surviving
But getting past that
and then shit going from that to having a locker full.
He got a locker full.
I got a locker full.
He helping me.
Like, my people can't send me no money.
My mom got sick.
My dad fell off, but I need commissary.
The people that I'm around, they helping me get in position.
They, you know, them IDs and shit.
Like, I was getting rid of that shit.
They had to fucking with buggy.
Then, Boogie had like a Maca Mix reincarnation mindset.
And I asked him like, what?
I asked these type of questions.
Like, man, what's your favorite book?
I asked him that.
He said when he went to Segg, he read MacaMex.
And that shit just like it enlightened him.
And ever since then, like, he's been on some revolutionary shit.
So I was in the cell with a revolutionary dude.
like put me on history, like up into that case, up until that point, I didn't even care
for history, but just being ignorant and realizing, damn, you don't know nothing, then realizing
what's really going on, history repeats itself, then you're like, okay, well, you can learn from
this dude.
He built his empire doing this.
So I was like, okay, take what you can get from it.
And all that was like being around somebody like Boogie.
That was like my first like real friend in there.
And I told myself when I went down there, like I wasn't going to be too friendly.
I was exposed to betrayal young.
You know what I'm saying?
I still got some partners that been knowing me for 15 years.
Like I said, my people in my neighborhood, that's real family to me.
But it's people outside of that, you know, that just fuck my trust off.
So when I went down there, I'm not really looking to make friends, but when I'm seeing, I'm
judging people by their fruits and being around some good people, though, Boogie was
a real one.
Yeah, that's how I made this book, you know, that treated like dope.
It's kind of like a self-help for somebody that can relate to what I'm, what I went
through, what I'm going through, trying to beat the statistic, going back, you know, just
know, beating your environment, not only beating your environment, but bringing something to your
environment to help reconstruct it in the best way. You know what I'm saying? I came from
being real dumb, you know what I'm saying? Like, the dumb to see it, like what you asked me,
like, why I robbed them people? Because I didn't come across this knowledge. I didn't come
across this blueprint. And now that I've been exposed to it, I've been, like, practicing it more,
or being more consistent with it.
But all that came from being in them situations and shit,
like being in the cell with a lifer that wish they had this opportunity
to be out here and shit, you know.
How are you doing today?
How have you been able to rebuild after prison?
I got, like, survivors' remorse,
like, the people that stuck with me through them time,
because, like I said, like, I don't be overlooking that, bro.
Like, I was supposed to die in that bitch,
because I know people that died.
Like, I know people that didn't make it.
And the shit, the shit that, like, the rules that I wasn't respecting down there that got other people fucked off.
And then the favor that I had much, like, like, elite men in there, like, respected honorable men down there.
Like, probably out here they don't even know they exist.
But I don't got to live with these people, like, sin.
how they handle situations up on the pressure.
You know what I'm saying?
Like de-escalating the shit that can be de-escalating.
But when it's time to, like, cut shit at the head, you know,
they're going to pull up and finish the shit.
Finish whatever bullshit got started.
They'll finish that.
So it's like being able to be around them people
and not only be around them people,
but them people are ready to kill from me.
They're telling me, like, man, they fuck with me.
And it's like, now that I got to leave, not out of the left, and they still keep in contact with me.
And not, they only ask me for nothing.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, they know, like, oh, he out there handling his business.
I ain't even trying to try to stress him.
I'm not asking for no $20.
I'm just trying to talk to him.
Because every time I talk to him or what you're doing, I'm going to go pull up on Ian Bick on his podcast.
It's like, damn, bro.
I'm proud of you.
You know what I'm saying?
And that shit, that shit, fuck with me.
That shit that had me, like, like, had me like.
on some, on some, on some survival's remorse, survival's guilt.
Because like, down, these people, these some live-ass folks, like, why are they not out here?
Why is it, why is it that I went down there and they put me on this game and I'm out here
and putting this shit together, but they can't be out here with me.
Like, it's shit or fuck with me.
But it's a good and a bad to it, too, though, because.
Because when I was in prison, didn't have no company from no women.
I just appreciate the women now.
I appreciate their relationship way more than now.
Like being home, like I had a lot of pride because I felt like women owe me something.
Like, damn, wasn't nobody down there helping me.
But they didn't send me down there.
It wasn't they fault that I was down there.
It was my fault, but it was just the being able to see all his bitch come up here to see him.
They sending pictures to him and shit.
He can hop on the phone and call us.
She going to answer.
But like, people that aren't reaching out to old girl.
She's playing me stupid.
Then this other girl, when she do call, she's talking about she just got pregnant.
I'm like, damn.
Like, man, I can't wait for it.
I get out, like I'm going to really cherish the companionship with a woman.
Like, that's something sacred.
Like, not only is it fun, but it can be, like, it can be real useful in your life.
It can be real healing both ways.
Like, then, like, the woman that I had come across, I prayed, like, you know, I used to
read the Fat Puff magazines and shit with all the strippers and shit.
And, brother, I used to just fantasize about them.
Like, I had them all over.
Like, I used to love strippers.
Like, I just, man, that shit was like, that's how I did my time.
Like, you know, you just visualize it.
It'll be years just staring at the while, but I'm just like, man, I'm going, like, I got a goal.
I got a mission.
Like, these women be, like, mentally scarred.
Like, I read one video vixen.
She was speaking on how, like, one of the relationships was abusive physically.
So, it was like, man, this should touch my heart.
Like, I want to come out there and heal one of them bitches.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, I want to come out there and help change their life.
Because I know whoever they're dealing with, it just took that for granted.
Like, you could have been there to help mold her and teach her,
what you've been learning, but if the dudes out here ain't learning nothing,
ain't able to lead and teach and come with good ideas,
then that shit is going to be hard.
And that's kind of like what I felt victim to when I got out,
just being too emotional, like being new to that shit,
being new to having a real, sexy, beautiful, grown women around me.
It's shit, man, that shit took me fast, bro,
but it taught me a lot about myself too,
because all my flaws will come out to where, like, when her flaws come out, I'm just focused
on her flaws, and I'm not even realizing the triggers that I put out for.
I'm not realizing that down.
I shouldn't have been talking like this.
What makes me feel like I could do this or feel how I feel?
The whole time, it was the pride.
It was the pride and the resentment I had coming from prison.
And then I'm, like, I'm hurt that women.
I ain't have no woman to be there for me.
But now that I got a woman that want to be there for me,
like I got to be there for her.
And what I did with this, it's like I came together with my women.
And I believe she's my wife, right?
And I gave her a ring pop.
Got on one knee, gave her a ring pop told her that, man,
I want you to be my wife.
And she said that's the sweetest thing.
that anybody ever did.
She been flew out the country,
that type of shit.
You know what I'm saying?
But it's been years just of reflecting of, okay,
I did, I fucked up how I started,
but, man, it's not too late to go back and retrek on your steps.
Like, in the Bible, you talk about Adam had Eve
and Eve was his helper.
A lot of times, like, in relationships, they don't be each other's helper for real.
Like, they put it out to where, like, they got to work a garden together.
So obviously, it's certain shit that a man can do that the woman can't do, that the man has to do.
Then it's a shit that the women got to do that the man can't do.
So it's like you come together to work in unison.
And with this right here, me and my baby did this, right?
And it's an example of, like, how it's supposed to be when you're working with your partner.
Like, I motivate people to have a business with each other.
And whatever it is, like, multiply.
Like, it don't necessarily mean multiply children.
Like, people think multiplying means, I'll just get together and have kids.
I'll get together to multiply blessings, multiply prosperity, you know what I'm saying?
Like, like, then it's stuff that we need help with in the world.
People need to step up and, like, be pioneers and shit.
Because it's a lot of areas where it's like they need our help, like, especially with the diets, with the food that they give us.
Like, people complain, oh, they're trying to kill us with the food.
But we're the ones eating and shit.
We're the ones that consumption.
Okay, they want to sell the McDonald's or the fat foods, all this shit that they can give you a heart disease or bad cholesterol, bad blood pressure, the silent killers.
Well, we're the ones that are doing it to ourselves.
What can we do to fight that?
What awareness can we bring?
How can we bring it?
What influences can we use to try to like manipulate this shit or all?
Well, you know, all men have testosterone and, you know, your testosterone produces itself.
But when you younger, teenager, early 20s, it'll produce at a way quicker rate.
When you start turning 30s and get older, your testosterone starts slowing down.
That's without taking into consideration.
drinking, stress, you know what I'm saying, whatever stress you out, you know, that would be the main killer to your testosterone.
And if you're not taking the precautions to, like, give yourself a long run, like, avoiding erectile dysfunction, shit like that, like, people, people need to notice now before it's too late or you just looking right down, your dick don't get home.
hard no more. Why? Oh, now your doctor's telling you because you're diet or what you've been
doing, how you've been handling your business as a man. Like, you know, it's not so healthy.
But right now, like, before it gets to that, you know, it was me and my woman came together
and tried to find a solution for that. So what is the business? Tell everyone what it is.
The product is called C. Yeltsa.
It got five natural ingredients.
One of them is Aschragonda.
Asherganda is like it helps your cortisol level.
Cortisol is like one of the main stress hormones that men have.
And if it's at a high level, you know, that shit not only kill your testosterone, but it would be the stress that cause them tumors in your.
your body that could kill you. And as well, it's a mood tranquilizer type drug. It's not
no illegal drug, but it's a substance. And that's what the substance does to you. It like
calms you down. It also is good for your liberal, like your sexual performance. I got
zinc in there. Zinc is one of the necessary ingredients to make testosterone on your own. Like it's
one of the ingredients that you got to have in your body, so we threw that in there.
It's a mourner that, like, it's strictly for sexual performance.
Like, people take the little blue rhino pills and the honey packs.
They don't even know, like, man, this shit got a long-term effect that is not so beneficial
for you.
But during the time, you're taking them or whatever.
It's like you're not knowing what you're doing to your body.
Then that's the shit that they got at the gas station, at the corner.
Like, that shit ain't good for you.
So educate yourself, you know.
This is what the business basically is bringing awareness, enlightenment.
So, like, you have, like, a better outcome with your body because everybody got their own body to take care of.
You know what I'm saying?
The working out helps a lot.
But shit, you got to start somewhere.
like if you just feel like you don't got to do nothing, man, you yourself will pay for that.
Then your woman will too, you know what I'm saying?
Because she probably wanted to get satisfied and, man, you just got to take care of your body.
You got to make sure to dig it hard.
Yeah.
What would you tell your younger self if you could sit across from him today?
I was just talking about this, but I wouldn't do no talking.
I just do straight punching, bro.
I don't go.
But if I could see myself 15 years old, I'll put hands on it.
But because it's nothing that you could have told me, I would have to find out the hallway
with my own experience.
And that's why the shit that I was doing, like, that I just put hands on.
Because it's just, man, a lot of shit that I'm ashamed of.
But I got to speak on it, you know what I'm saying, just show my growth too.
But I got to say, if I knew better I would have did.
better. As soon as I got the blueprint, I'm trying to execute. I'm trying to put this
shit to work. Well, Luis, I appreciate you taking the time to come on the show today. This is a
great episode, and I wish you the best in the future. Thanks. I appreciate you. And it's like
a big check like a milestone. I'm check this out, man, pulling up on here, telling my story
along with everybody else that did. And I'm just happy to be here, bro. I appreciate you.
I'm happy to have you.
I really.
And I'm going to give you this too.
This for you, though.
Awesome.
Yeah.
