Locked In with Ian Bick - I Spent Years In PRISON & Became A TikTok Star | Colin Rea

Episode Date: March 16, 2023

After watching the movie The Town, 18-year-old Colin Rea decides to pull off a string of robberies in his hometown. After a short time on the run, Colin is arrested and sentenced to years in a Pennsylvania State Prison. Listen to Colin's story of the crimes that put him in prison, his time in prison and how he was able to turn his experience into a platform with millions of followers.Connect with Colinhttps://beacons.ai/colinrea Connect with Ian Bick: https://www.ianbick.com/Subscribe to our membership program on YouTube to get early access to interviews, see behind the scenes photos & more:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRvVklIft6DMelVW18M0oBw/joinPowered by Q29 Productions, LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Client was paid $1,000 for their testimonial, creating a conflict of interest. Outcomes vary. Investment management and advisory services provided by Wealthfront Advisors LLC and SEC registered investment advisor. Investing involves risk to principle regardless of the strategy used. Task performance does not guarantee future results. My name is Ian Bick, and you're tuned in to Lockton with Ian Bick. On this week's episode, I interview Colin Ray, who after committing a series of robberies in his hometown, goes to prison, gets out, and becomes one of TikTok's biggest prison social media influencers. We all make mistakes, experience failure, and fall down in life.

But if you decide to get back up and use it as fuel to your fire, you can choose to not let it define you. You can make it through to the other side and turn it into an opportunity. I went from owning a popular nightclub when I was 19 years old to becoming a federal inmate by the time I was 21. Join me, Ian Bick, as I interview people from all over the country who have experienced the rock bottom of the American justice system. Colin Ray, the OG prison talker, the friendliest felon on TikTok that you iconed that name. Welcome to Lockton with Ian Bick.

I appreciate you having me, man. Awesome. What was your childhood like growing up? So my childhood wasn't too different from anybody else. My dad was in the military. We moved around a lot, which was nice but not at times. Just kind of depended on where you were living, like whether you liked it or not. And eventually when I was 11, my dad got stationed at the Pentagon.

So we moved to, you know, central Pennsylvania, which is like an hour and 20 minute drive from D.C. He would commute back and forth every day. So we got stuck in, I always say stuck in Pennsylvania. But I was also born in Pennsylvania because my dad was stationed there previously outside of Philadelphia. and that's right about my mom. So childhood was like, it was normal, you know what I mean? For a military family, got beat a lot for nothing and pretty typical as far as military goes. Now in high school, are you involved in drugs, criminal mischief, anything like that?

So I started smoking weed when I was 14. It was right after, it was the day, actually it was the day I got off probation. I was on juvenile probation for a year from a felony that I got when I was 13 for a, for a terroristic threat and institutional vandalism. So that kind of answers that question for you about the, you know, causing issues as a juvenile. Why were you on juvenile probation? So when I was 13, like any other kid, you know, play sports

or you're in band. You have some sort of extracurricular. So my extracurricular was baseball. So the, like, stipulation from my dad was I had to get, you know, above a C in every class to be able to play. So I'm not good at math I've never really been good at math You know what I mean?

Like if we're doing math out of like 28 grams I'm fine with that But out of just normal like algebra I'm not good at that So I'm failing math And I know that I'm about to fail this test So if I fail this test There's no chance I'm gonna be able to play baseball

The rest of the year It's the beginning of May So I'm like Man this kind of like sucks Like I gotta get out of this test somehow So you know I could just be like oh I'm sick Or I'm like no

I'm gonna write a bomb threat I write a bomb thread on the wall the bathroom. How do you get this idea? Um, so this girl had just got arrested for it in the in the next school district over like a week before. I saw it in the paper that she had just done this bomb to it and got arrested for it. So why I thought that I could do it and get away with it, that never really correlated in my mind. But at the time in my 13 year old unmedicated mind, I'm like, nah, this will work. This is it. Like this is the one. And it was not the one. Do you think you were causing trouble in high school because of your military family background?

So I didn't really get in much trouble after that. So that incident was when I was 13. I was in eighth grade. I got expelled for the end of that year and I was eligible to come back to school after the first semester by freshman year. But in my school district, eighth and ninth grade was in one school and the high school was 10 through 12 at that time. So when I came back to school, I was still in the scheme school that I just got expelled from a year before. but I wasn't getting in trouble anymore because I was medicated now for my ADHD, so I was not making all these same impulsive decisions.

The only trouble that I got in while I was in high school was like a couple of fights here and there, but like that was also just like typical like growing up shit. It wasn't like some like me causing a real problem or anything or like committing a crime. Are you hanging out with a bad crowd at all? At that time, not really. I'm pretty much like the one in the circle that's like if you look at our circle like, he's probably the one that would get into trouble with me but I wasn't really doing anything at that time

I was just kind of you know typical high school I was getting good grades but I was a stoner but I was playing sports it was just like all of that like culminated in the one and you decide not to go to college after high school yeah I wanted to take a gap year and that gap year didn't work out so well I mean we took a gap there was a gap for sure I just didn't expect it to be as long as it was okay so how do you go from like the stoner chilled back

played sports in high school to doing a string of robberies right after high school graduation. So that's a very good question. It's the question I've been asked quite a few times in my life. Have you ever seen the movie The Town? Yeah, I love The Town. Okay, so I love The Town too. I saw The Town for the first time like two weeks before I was in jail. Right. And I'm watching it and like, I'm like, damn, that looks easy. That looks so easy. Like maybe not a bank or maybe not, you know, a fictitious of fictitious, you you know, Fenway Park.

But, like, robbing doesn't look that hard, especially where I live, like, everything's far away from each other. There's no cops. The closest precinct is 25 minutes. So unless you're already, like, in the area, you're not going to, you don't have, like, a panic button. There's none of that. So I was like, I could do that.

Like, and then I did it. You get the mask and everything. Yeah. Tell me about the robbers. How does it go down? So, the first robbery, um, so, like, I, I'm not the smartest criminal, right? Most criminals aren't, like, overly, like, brilliant anyway.

But, like, if we're looking at, like, why would you do this? I'm probably on the low end of the totem pole for that. So the first business that I robbed was a place that I had previously worked, right? I had got fired from there about six months before. For a just reason, I didn't stock the fridges, right, or whatever, they fired me. I was still in school at that time. So I was going to rob a different store, but there was too many people there. spooked. So I was like, oh, I don't want to go in there with all these people.

And you're by yourself. No, I'm with somebody. So he's in the car with me, but he never, he never got charged. I had multiple people with me for multiple robberies. But at this time, the one person that was with me for this case, he never got booked. He never got charged. Nothing. I'm like, I can't rob this, bro. Like, I got to go to the next place. So I'm just like driving out on the street, like, looking for more mom and pop shops. And I'm like, oh, I know this in and out. Oh, and it's like 8.30, they didn't even put the shit in state yet. I know I'm good.

So, like, I wasn't like, you know, some hardened criminals. So for my first robbery, I had a baseball bat. And I was like, this will work. If they don't want to give me the money, I'll break something. Then they'll give it to me. So I go out with the baseball bat. They just give me the money right up. I run out, get in the car.

With a baseball bat. The baseball bat. How old are you? 18. Barely 18. And they were afraid of you with a baseball bat. And how much money did you get? $892.

And then what happens next? I got a call like 10 minutes later from my homie that worked at, so there's the mom and pop shop that I was going to rob. Like a mile up the road, there's another one, but that's like right next to my parents' house. And I know everybody there, so I don't go there. So I go to the next one. So the people that work here that I know call me,

and they're like, yo, you good. I'm like, yeah, why? Mind you, nobody knew that this just happened. Like, yeah, why? They're like, bro, there's like seven state troopers at your parents' house. I'm like, what? That's crazy. I don't know why they would ever be at my parents' house.

parents house. Like, that's just wild to me. I'm like, yeah, I don't know, bro. Click. I'm like, oh, fuck. Like, that didn't last long. Like, what? So, to people where I used to work, I didn't realize because, like, I'm dumb and not really paying attention that there was someone in the kitchen that I used to work with.

So they kind of, like, looked at my description and said, it could be him and he's local based off his size. Because, like, I'm not, you know, 5-8 slim build. I'm six, four. and at that time of stick.

Like, I'm very, like, there's not a lot of six, four, real skinny people walking around this tiny place. And this is a small town. Yeah. So, like, where, there's, like, a population of, like, our population where I, like, where our home was is so small that our town name is for a town that's 10 minutes away.

No, you didn't think at all to go to a different town. I don't know those towns enough to know how to rob them. Okay. Or I thought, so I thought. So you're a couple robberies in by this point? That's the first. That was your first one. Do you get caught by those state troopers?

No. Okay. You go back home? No. Oh, you're on the run this whole week. So basically. But like, so then they call me and they're like, where are you? I'm like, I'm at work.

They're like, okay, like, you know, well, we heard that my parents are calling me, where are you? I'm at work. I'm at work. So I go to work. And then I just like kind of wait there, like in case, right? And then the next day the cops called me. and they're like, hey, can you come in for questioning for this robbery?

It's like, I'm not under arrest. There's no warrant, nothing like that. And I'm like, yeah, sure, like what time? And they're like, oh, can you come in tomorrow at like, it was like 4 p.m. or something. So I was like, yeah, I'll be there. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure I will. So I'm like, now I'm scrambling.

I'm like, damn, I got to get out of town. I got to go. Mind you, there's money from this robbery is only $800. That's already gone. What do you spend it on? So at the time, me and my dad were, you know, not on the best term. So I wasn't going home.

So I used the money to book a hotel room to just not have to be around my dad, which is, I don't know if sounds dumb, but like at the time, we're partying and we're hanging out and shit. So I'm like, I got like 12 people in this hotel. We're just trashed in this hotel room.

It made sense in your mind at the time. Yeah. You know, and now looking back, I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? Like, that makes no sense.

But at the time, it was like, nah, this is the move. So you skip the police station. Yeah. And you go rob some more places. I robbed four more stores in the next week.

How much do you get? Total, I made like $2,800. That's it. Yep. So you screwed up the whole beginning of your life over $2,800. Yep. How do you feel about that now? Great.

I feel absolutely fantastic about it for multiple reasons that we'll get into. Yeah. So how do you end up getting caught? So I end up getting caught because some of this shit to like say it sounds so dumb. And that's what's funny about it, right? Like I'm not laughing to minimize. I'm laughing because. Because like, when I say this shit out loud, it's like, what were you doing?

So, like, I had a Toyota camera at the time. And I got rear-ended by somebody that was getting rear-ended. Like, two days after I got it, right? So, like, I'm waiting to get it fixed. Like, my back end is, like, fucked up. Like, my trunk is latched with the fucking, like, bungee cord. Like, my tail light is, like, fuck. Oh, you can tell there's, like, serious damage to the back of this car.

And that's the car that we're using as the getaway car. So it's like, oh, it was a green car that was smashed to shit. shit. So they have a be on lookout for this car, end up realizing that the car is also in my parents' name. Right? So then they see the car. So they watch for a little bit to see where I'm going because I'm not driving the car. Then where they see them, because we're staying at this hotel.

So then within an hour of the last robbery, they're at the door with 30 state troopers. You know what I mean? Get the fuck on the ground. I'm like, oh, shit. So you're caught? Yeah, like I'm cooked. What about your co-defendant? He cooked, too.

He cooked across the street. So you guys are both done? Yeah, we're just done. It's a damn near the same time. They take you the police station. Yeah. And what happens? They just sit us next to each other.

Oh, they put you in the both the same room. No, we were in the fucking, we weren't even in a bullpen. And this place is so fucking small that we're sitting on a bench inside the police station. There's like all these people like, they're doing fingerprints over there. They're talking to somebody over there. They're fucking doing probably like finance or something. We're just sitting here like this like tap each other back and forth. Like, yeah, we're fucked.

Do you admit to it? Yeah, so I did admit to it. So I admitted to what I did. He admitted to what he did. But he didn't tell me he admitted to what he did. So I went in and said what I did. He went in there, said he said what he did. But really was like, I didn't do shit.

So what happens to him? So he ends up getting charged too. Oh, okay. Which was like what was going to happen regardless. It was reverse, yeah. Right. Like, it's the fucking driver and the person that did it. Like, they got us.

You know what I mean? So. What are your parents think? What's your dad's reaction to this? So I didn't talk to my dad until I went to, Camp Hill, which is like prison, like classification. I didn't talk to my dad. Or maybe I talked to him like on the phone or something.

But like, I was like still like at that point I was more like, damn, he's going to like be mad and like scold me. And then I realized like it don't matter, bro. Like your dad's scolding you right now is not going to fucking. He can't beat you. You know what I mean? Like you're behind the glass. Like you can't do nothing to you.

So it becomes one of those things where it's just like, if I get the point, when I first talk to my mom. I was like, they're lying. I didn't do it. I swear they got the wrong person. And the next time I'm like, all right, so listen. Because like, I don't, like, I'm thinking, you know what I mean? What does she say to you? She's just like, she's just devastated. Like, she don't even really know what to say. She's just like, what the fuck. And then she's like, well, how much time are you going to get? And like, that's what's like, you know, sucks about my case is that yes, it was my first time as an adult in trouble. My felony from when I was 13 was, was used as my, like, in my gravity score, but not really.

It was like, they could see it, but they weren't, like, supposed to use it against me because of how young I was and I got it. So if you look at my charge on, like, I don't know if they have a sentencing matrix where you... Yeah, essentially. Like, this is your gravity score. This is the crime you committed.

Bring them down. That's your starting minimum or whatever. They call it a sentencing guidelines. Okay, yeah. So for my case, my starting minimum was anywhere from nine to 23 months. So I was like, that's not that bad. And then for my next case, it was from 24 to 48 months. So that's a 2 to 4, 3 to 6, 4 to 8, something like that.

So they come back and they're like, everybody in the jail is telling me like, bro, it's your first case. They'll give you 11.5 to 23 in the county, as long as you'll fuck up, you be fine. I'm like, okay, it makes me feel a little bit better. So I come in, they're like, okay. So my, you know, public defender comes in because my mom was going to go get me a lawyer. And they were like, we're not taking this case. They're like, there's nothing we can do. they're like he has mandatory sentencing on this case there's nothing that we can do unless we go to trial and lose

did they consider you an armed robber yes well because i used a baseball bat in one but i used a BB gun and others so that's considered a firearm if even if i go with my hand in my shirt and can't tell what is is considered a firearm so they slapped me with two mandatory minimums 60 to 120 months so now I can get no less than a five to ten no matter what so like oh okay Okay, like that sucks. And you're not on bail, I'm assuming. No, no, no, no. I would have ran.

And I told my mom that from the door. My bail was $200,000. So they would have had to pay $20. And I would have 100,000. Imagine how much different your life would be now if you got bail in that instance. Yeah. I mean, I don't, yeah, I probably would have caught more cases. Honestly, I probably, I don't know what would have happened.

Like, I don't even want to think about what would have. It wouldn't have been good, though. So they slapped the 60 to 120 months. Do you take the deal? So they tell me they're, they tell me they're, enacting the mandatory middle and my lawyer tells me they come back

I get a letter from I don't even remember what it's called I forget what they call it in Pennsylvania now it's like when your lawyer sends you a letter legal mail what the fuck I've been out for a little bit so I get legal mail and it's like five to ten plus one to two

consecutive and the two less serious robberies which would be the ones I didn't use to be begun in you pay court costs fines or restitution you take the conviction and acknowledge that we have enough to prosecute, but you, or no, it was not a proxy.

So you acknowledge we have enough to convict you, if you pay the shit, we're not going to give you the actual felony on your record or whatever, because they're the less serious crimes. So I take the 6 to 12. As soon as I take it, I get smacked in another county for a robbery.

So they bring me to their county, and they're like, we want you to do one more year than Franklin County sentenced you to. So we want you to do seven of 14 because I have a six to 12. But not knowing like how all the bail and everything. When I went to that county, I was going upstate the next day. Like my county that I was in was sending me upstate.

They just took me for court that day. So when I was there, the cop on the way there told me he was like, hey, listen. So if you take, if you get them to give you unsecure bond, you'll go upstate tomorrow. If you give, if they give you bond and you just tell them to keep it, they'll ship you from your county to this county and you'll sit here until all. your court proceedings are done here, then you'll go upstate. And I was like, bro, I don't want to sit in a county jail anymore. Not knowing that if I'm like, hey, I'll take unsecured bail because I'm going to prison,

then my time won't start running. I don't know that. So now technically I'm on bail for this case, even though I'm still in custody. So by the time I got sentenced, they were trying to give me that 7 and 14, but by the time I was getting sentenced, I had already been in jail for a year. And I had no time in on this case. So if they give me a 7 of 14, I'm doing it. seven from that moment, but I already have a year in. So that's eight years instead of the original

six. I'm like, that's two extra years. If you sentence me to a, I tell my lawyer, I was like, I'm not taking that. If you get them to give me a six to 12, it's already overlapped by this year, I do seven. Like, no matter what, I do seven. And he's like, all right, they go back and they're like, all right, fuck it, like, whatever, you know what I mean? Because at that point, like, they just want me out of their hair. Like, they're getting the conviction. They're getting the extra year that they wanted. I just wasn't going to go for them giving me two. You know what I mean? Like, if you want to give me an extra year just to serve your county whatever whatever like at that point there's not much difference between six and seven unfortunately you know what i mean at that point you're

in it you know what i mean like so i get that i'm upstate already at that time so i'm just coming down i come down get sentenced and that's when my new fresh six years starts i was in the federal prison system and guys would always talk about how they hated county jail because sometimes they hold federal inmates what's that like for you so like being in the county yeah fucking hate the county. What makes it so bad? You just don't have as many freedoms as you do in prison. Everything's overpriced.

You're stuck on this small contain block. There's no movement. Like regular prison in Pennsylvania, you wake up, you walk to Chow for a meal. You walk back to the block. You can get on the phone. You can go to yard when they call it. There's none of that in the county. There's none of that.

You're just on a block all day in a jumpsuit playing cards. And how long? How long were you in county for? So I sat in county for almost five months from the door. And then like going on RIT, maybe like another like month total throughout my sentence. So like six months total. Do you think they make it like that to encourage people to plead out faster?

So yeah, 100%. I think that and, you know, cash bail are complicit in getting a conviction. That's really what they want. Like there was a, I came down on Rit for one of my cases. And I got into an altercation with the white supremacist. He had said,

some racist shit about people that I knew and then was coming at me because I was white and around them. So I was like, okay, but like in Pennsylvania, if even if I'm in prison, if I'm in prison and I get a fight, I go to the hole, I get a misconduct. It's going to affect my parole. When you go to the county, even if you're already in prison, if you come to the county and get in a fight, getting a misconduct, you go to the hole in the county, but when you go back to prison, you're not in the hole. They don't even know about the write-up. So it's kind of like free rack, like anything that happens. down there happens. So as soon as he's like running his mouth, I was like, okay, yeah,

like, that's cool. I told my homie, like, yo, pack my shit because I'm about to beat his ass. So I beat his ass. But I beat his ass bad enough that they gave me a fucking street charge for it. So now I get charged with an assault. So now I have to come back to the county for this assault case. And you're just 18 at the time. At this time, I'm 19. You're 19. So I'm down here on this, now I'm fighting this assault case. And it's only a simple assault. So it's only the max they can give me as a one or two. That's the max. So they can give me No more than that. And they're like, yeah.

So your plea deal is one or two run consecutive. And I was like, what? I was like, no, eat a dick. And they were like, they were like astonished that I told them to fuck off. And they were like, well, one at two is the max. I was like, yeah. So if you think that I'm going to bleed out to a one or two running crooked from my sentence, when you have no evidence of this so-called assault or fight,

like this shit happens off camera. Like there was eight people in the little area where it happened. You can't prove I did anything. The only reason I'm even going to plead out is because I don't want to deal with it. I don't want to deal with being in the fucking county. Exactly like you said. So they're like, okay, like, well, I tell my lawyer, I was like, I'm not taking it. So we go back and forth for like a couple months about it.

And they're like, okay, we'll give you the one or two concurrent. And I was like, okay, cool, I'll sign it. So you're sent into what six to 12 is the final? So if you look at like my like status sheet, like what they give you in prison, like show your signs. It's five to ten one or two running consecutive six to twelve running concurrent to that six to twelve one to two running concurrent to the other six to twelve to the original six That's a whole lot to decipher right so like right now right now I'm on parole and but I only have one active case So three of my cases are maxed out

So the original five to ten is done the original six to the net the one to two is almost done They'll be finished this year and then I get off roll next year when my final sentence is complete. What were your thoughts during sentencing? At which one? The first? At everything put together. I knew for like six weeks, like what my sentence was going to be.

Like my mom was there and they were doing like DUI court or something that day and there was like six people that I knew in there for DUI court. So there was like hell of people. They're like, yo, what's up? And I'm like, but like they don't even realize like they know I'm in jail. But like they don't realize like the scope or the magnitude of what's going on. They're just like, oh yeah, like you're getting sex. Is that where your famous jumpsuit photo was taken?

Yeah, so one of them, one of them in the yellow. Yeah, the yellow, yes. So my mom actually, in Pennsylvania, there's a very strict, like, no phones in courthouses or jails, right? Like, you don't see, like, a lot of, like, documentaries in Pennsylvania, because it's very, very strict with their shit. Well, most court houses are like that. Right, but, like, there's some, like, you'll look, like, some states still have cameras in the courtroom, but some they'll be drawing pictures of the people. You know what I mean? Like when Bill Cosby went to trial out here, like they were coming back with like this painting of Bill Cosby sitting here like, oh my God.

Like, so it's a little bit different. But yeah, somehow my mom got these pictures on me. And obviously I didn't see them until I came home. The one picture was like actually from like a video clip that they ran on the news, which I wish I could find because it's an interesting clip. But I just can't find it. It was a long time ago. Technology isn't the way it is now. It wasn't like that.

then, you know. Now, do you feel a regret for your actions at this point in time while you're at sentencing? Oh, absolutely. I wrote a letter to my victims and mind you, I had to get sentenced in two different counties. So, like, my victims were there. I wrote letters to them to read at sentencing. And I, like, I truly was remorseful and not because, like, oh, I got caught. I'd been come to terms with the fact that I got caught. But at the end of the day, like, these were innocent people just doing their job. And, like, the way I'm looking at it before I do it. And, like, as I'm doing this stuff is like, it ain't going to bother them none. It's not their shit.

Like, these businesses are going to pay for the shit. Like, who cares? But, like, what I wasn't taking into account is, like, the emotional, like, distress of being robbed. You know what I mean? Like, these people weren't. Especially in a violent way. Yeah, like, these people aren't doing anything.

Regardless if I'm using a calm tone, like, somebody, whether you know it's a gun or not, like, somebody pointing something at you or demanding something from you, like, that's not, that's not right. You know what I mean? Like obviously I know that now. And I knew that pretty quick after. Like I probably knew that when I was doing it. That I, you know what I mean?

Like nobody's like, oh, I think robbery is okay. Like you know that. You know, you know you're not supposed to be doing that shit. You know what I mean? But that doesn't make it any easier to just not do it in that moment when you're already in it the way I was in it. You know what I mean? Do you think had you never seen that movie, this never would have happened? So I don't think this specifically would have happened.

But something else would have happened. It was just I had a, I got a DUI too. weeks before this happened. I had gotten another assault charge, a conspiracy committed a simple assault, like a month before that, for somebody shooting somebody with the BB gun out of my car. Like, it wasn't, like, regardless of what I got in trouble for, I was going to end up in trouble. Like, I was going to end up in the same boat.

Like, that was the path I was on. When's that moment hit you where you're like, shit, I just screwed up my life at this point because you're 19 and you're going to jail for six to 12 years? So. The initial moment was the first time I was in a police car. That was the initial fuck. Like, I fucked this up. But at that point, I don't know how long I fucked it up.

The next point was when I had to, when I got that sentencing paperwork, like when I got that plea in the mail, I was in a hole. So I had to call on the bubble thing, like on like the call button, tell them that I needed to contact my lawyer. I went and called my lawyer, told my lawyer to tell my mom to come see me. so that I had my mom come up and you only get, when you're in the hole, you only get a half hour, like you still get visits,

but it's a half hour through glass. So my mom comes to see me, and I tell her that, and that's when we had that, like, moment of like, fuck, like, this is what, yeah,

like this is what it is. Like, if I don't take it, I'd get 20 if I get a trial and lose. Like, I'm kind of stuck. Like, it's kind of what it is.

So you take the plea deal, you get sentenced, and then they move you from county to the state prison. What's that like as a young, white kid in a Pennsylvania state prison? prison. It's, you, Pennsylvania is a big state. It's not like, it's not California, but it's not Connecticut. You know what I mean? Like, how long does it take you to drive across Connecticut

from one end to the other? Uh, two hours, maybe. Two hours. So, like, that's how long it takes me to get to Pittsburgh, which is the closest big city. You know what I mean? So, there's a lot of people. And it's, it's nerve-wracking, like, you're 18. I'm 18 when I'm going upstate. Like, my birthday was September 13th. I got arrested Halloween night. I was upstate March 22nd the next year. It's not even a year since I graduated. It's been nine months since I graduated high school. Your friends are all in college and you're sitting in a prison cell. Right. I know nobody besides like older people that I know from the county. Like eventually like I run into people that I know because but that's all after me. Is anyone questioning why you're there? Yeah. People ask what I'm like,

yeah. What'd you do? Oh, I robbed a bunch of fucking stores. Did they believe you? Yeah. Yeah. Because that's the thing in Pennsylvania, everybody has a status sheet. So if anybody doesn't believe you, he's like It's like checking paperwork. Yeah, but nobody really does that because everybody knows somebody. So for instance, say I went upstate right now,

right? And or no, not say I went upstate. Say I was in the county jail for five months. Then I go upstate. I'm there. And people are asking me like, damn, like, what are you here for or whatever? People don't normally just like ask you that off rip. There's normally people that like are befriending you like, you're talking to them and like, yeah, so like, yo, you know, what did you

book for or whatever. And then you, you know, tell them. A lot of times the people that you end up clicking up with in Pennsylvania are the people from your area, from your town. So the first people that I'm seeing when I get to prison that are like, yo, like, we're over here or people I was in county with. So they already know what I was in jail for. And they're already established in the jail. So when they see me with these people, they're like, oh, well, he obviously didn't do know weird. Now every once in a while, you'll somebody will slither the way into the cracks and you've got to weed them out. But like, it's very easy to just be like, you know, this my status sheet or like, yo, you can literally have your people look my, look my number up.

Like, it's normally not. And you know how it goes too. Because like, like, okay, for instance, you have glasses. You're young and white. Like, they stereotype that. Yeah, I'm a sex effect. That's what they stereotype it. You know what I mean?

Me, I'm 6'4 playing basketball. The only white dude on a basketball court. They're not, they're looking at me like, oh, he's just a dude. And you had facial hair at the time. Right. Yeah, I had a beard since I was like 16. Yeah, I can't grow up beer for shit. So what type of people are you around within the prison?

Like who's housed with you? What do you mean? As far as like custody level? Custody types of crimes. Is it mixed together? So in Pennsylvania they have like one minimum security jail that's like dorms. They have a bunch of mediums and then they have like the maxes which are like with the walls or like they're the super maxes of the wall. But everything.

So like if you have an escape charge, they send you somewhere with a wall instead of a fence. but everywhere else they classify you four through two so four being like violent three being like you could be violent but maybe not and two being like more minimum so like five is in the whole one is on parole and um I go up by classified as a four so I'm like okay I'm going to go to a level four jail but that's not how it works that's how they make it seem like it works but that's not how it works. How it works is they send everyone everywhere. Don't matter. What makes a jail a max or a medium in Pennsylvania is the amount of cameras and the amount of fences and amount of towers. So if you go somewhere with three towers, it might be a medium. You go somewhere

with four. It's a max. You go somewhere with one. It's a men. So you're in there with everybody. There's in every jail there's lifers to, you know, eight months for a drug charge with three years on the tails. Like, there's just everybody mixed with everybody. And prison fights. I know you got into the prison fight in the county. What prison fights are you getting into in the state prison? I didn't get a single fight while I was actually incarcerated in the DOC. So you went from this over-energetic get into fights, screw around to mellow and the first thing my homies told me, because like I said, I was in the county with people and they were, you know, some of people I was in county where were already upstate, they were down for court and stuff. So when I got to my home jail,

that's what they call it once you go from classification until you're like, the prison you'll be in once i got to my home jail the people that i knew were like listen like now the shit you do doesn't just affect you like it affects us too so like if you're getting into shit we're getting into shit like we're trying to go home like we're here now like let's try to get out like don't be getting a bunch of dumb write-ups it's stupid so you're maturing and growing up very quickly you have to you have no choice but some people don't do that i mean i've been in prison with young guys they're still they're selling drugs they're you know they're the first ones if they get into a gang or a car or whatever that they're the ones that go and stab someone up or do whatever

but you stayed away from all that yeah so it it's there's not a lot of gang activity in pennsylvania there's gangs but there's like not that many people in them there's not a lot of gangs in general in pennsylvania like on the streets even you know what i mean it's not like california or like that's in california like new york or whatever you know what i mean like it's just not really like that so like i said a lot of times it's broken down by like where you're geographically from in a state. So, you know, this table might be North Philly. That table might be Pittsburgh, that Harrisburg, Redding. You don't even break it down

like that. So the dudes that I was with had already been there. They were all from my town or like the surrounding little towns right there. And like all they did was play ball and workout. I don't know. I didn't work out. I'm not even going to sit in front. They would like try to get me to work out for like the longest. They'd be like, oh, come on, come workout. I'd work out for like two weeks. But you played sports. Yeah, I played sports every day. You know what I mean? But like

they always wanted a lift and shit. They're like, bro, you'll be so big. If you lift and I was like, yeah, I don't care. I don't like doing it. I just I don't want to. Like, no, I'm good. I'm going to go play ball. I'm going to play catch, whatever. Like, I'll go play horseshoes. Like, whatever. So that's what you did every day? That's what I did every day. Or I gambled. Gamble. All right, let's hear about the gambling.

So, I don't know what they play in the feds, but in Pennsylvania, like, you start off playing Spades. And then you realize that spades is corny compared to Pinnacle. So you start playing Pinole. And then if you want to really gamble, you can gamble on those games, but if you want to really gamble, they have, you know, poker tables and shit. And they can go, they can go from playing, you know, $500 in a hand to, you know, a suit. So it just kind of

depends on, like, what you're, you know what I mean? Working away. And it just really depends on, like, the day, like, what you're doing. Like, oh, okay. Like, a lot of times I just gambled with, like, people that I knew. It makes it a lot easier than having to, like, oh, track these people down and be like, okay, like, we're waiting on the money at the end of yard. Like, oh, let me go get it. Like, you never come back. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I didn't like to gamble. I didn't like to gamble. in the yard too much. I gambled a lot on the block because in the yard was an opportunity for me to be playing basketball or playing football or something. So it's like I can gamble and, you know,

block out tonight when we're not allowed in the yard. Like I'm not going to waste my afternoon gambling right now. Like, what's a living situation like? Is it dorms? Is it in a cell? So it's two man cells. And it gets, you get locked in every night? You get locked in. You get locked in like. So the schedule is they open the doors, depending on what jail you're in, anywhere from 6, 15 to 7. So we'll just say where I came home from. They opened the doors at 7. That's when they'll start doing phone calls.

If you signed up the night before for a phone call early, they'll call pill line. They'll call breakfast. People go out, come back. They'll call school and work lines. So if you're going in GED program for secondary education or work, so like when I worked in the wood shop, when they call work lines, that's when I would leave the block.

And then everyone else is locked in their cell. Then they'll call yard. You go out. If you don't go out, you stay locked in your cell. Once you come back in from yard, you lock in yourself. Then you wait there until lunch, unless you have a phone call or something. Then when you come back from lunch, you lock in your cell. Then you're in your cell for two hours until afternoon yard.

If you don't go to afternoon yard, you stay in your cell. There's not like dual yard and block out at the same time. Like if you don't want to go to the yard, you're locked in the majority of the day. Which is why, like, I'm always in the yard. Like, I hate being locked in. Like, I mean, anybody I feel like would be. You know what I mean? What's the most corrupt thing you've witnessed, correct?

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Like, it's just not a common thing there. So we hear, so, we're the, like, the COs, like, rushed the block and shit. And then we find out that one of the CEOs that was working, end up getting taken out in cuffs, right? That same day? Yeah, that night, like an hour later. So this dude, this, the cop was bringing him in K2, like, bought a boatload to sell. He was just giving them, that he was taking it to the people that actually sell drugs in the jail

and paying them to do it for them, which is like, you know what I mean, typical, like, anywhere, you know what I mean? So that he didn't have his hands on shit. And they did this shit for, like, years. And would have probably never got caught if he had that phone ring or off. That's great.

But because that phone went off, and as soon as that happened, you know, you know, wow, he told right on the CEO. So got transferred and everything like that. But that was like, the most like probably the most corrupt like you know thing that I saw like there's other shit but like I'm like I don't want to speak on shit that like they didn't get caught for you know what I mean just because you ain't trying you know what I mean K2 is big in your prison yes for those

that don't know what K2 is what is it's a synthetic cannabinoid basically it like feels like weed if you smoke it which like I don't this shit screws people up though I've seen people literally go crazy I've seen people rip their dreads out and fight to coffee and roll around on the ground high. Like, it's crazy. They would put a chair in the bathroom and count time would always get messed up at night because these guys would be slumped over in the chair because they hit K2. And it doesn't test for anything when they were testing for weed or whatever.

Oh, really? Doesn't come up. See, they had a special test. They had a special, okay, we didn't have that at the time. It was like a 1,200 panel. Wow. Like, yeah, they would send it out specifically for that. Yeah, I guess they caught on to it eventually.

But this stuff just screws you up and they would spray it on paper and then you would smoke it. They'd get it through the mail. and then eventually they banned colored paper and scented paper and everything like that. Oh, see, they banned all our mail. You guys weren't getting mail at all? No, they, so, right? This was not even long before I came home. This is 28, end of 2018, like September, there was, and it was, if we're keeping it real,

the cops did a lot of lying in the situation to get what they wanted from the state government. So these cops started falling out in a mail room. rooms from fentanyl, right? Which if you touch fentanyl, you don't overdose and fall out from it, right? So they're saying that they're getting paper in the mail that's K2 sprayed laced with fentanyl, right?

That doesn't even make any sense, but whatever, right? So they lock us down, like, statewide. And it, like, made the news and everything. It was, like, 18 COs in, like, six different jails, right? Very, very strategic, suddenly just happened all at once, right? So they lock us all down. And, like, they bring the search team in.

Like, they're, like, really searching, search and, like, you know, they're fine and shit, certain places. They got the water cut off, everything. They start, like, loosening it up a little bit more and more. People start falling out because people are still smoking in K2, and they're just using that CD. People are falling out. This is what it is.

And then they were, like, no more mail. If you want to get mail, you can send it to Smart Corrections in Florida. So you can mail a letter, you write Smart Connections. or smart corrections or some shit like that. The jail that they're in, their name, their state number, all that, send it down there. They get it.

They scan it and send a copy to the jail. The jail prints it out and gives you your letter. Same with pictures. So you get your letter, but you don't. Yeah, they started doing that in the feds towards the end. They were doing the copies and whatnot. And then this is where like the money came in. They're like,

body scanners for the visit room. So the state's like, oh, all these COs are falling out. We got you. We'll sign off on this $50 million project. So they send in full body scanner for us and full body scanner for your people to come through. That's wild. Right. And that was a little better than what it used to be.

Technically for them coming in, it's still invasive. But they used to do like the hand wand. And my mom would fail the hand wand all the time. Wild. Because of whatever med she was taking at the time. was secreting something from her skin. She got a letter from a doctor and everything. But they were saying that she was failing for LSD every time she came.

My mom at the time was my mom's a full-time, like stay-at-home mom, going to school full-time, getting her bachelor's degree, taking care of my dementia-ridden dad. And they're like, she's probably running the LSD lab. Like, bro, what? So they ended suspending my mom from visits for like six months while we're like fighting it. And it was corny as fuck.

On the topic of visits, what are the visits like in state prison? Um, basically you come in, get stripped out, you put a jumpsuit on, you don't wear your regular, like, whatever you're wearing in the jail. And, uh, visits really aren't that bad in PA. Can you guys sit next to each other? Yes. You can hug and kiss at the beginning, hug and kiss at the end. And depending on who to CO is, like, you can, like, have your arm around them or like, get away with, like, kissing, like, a little bit, like, here and there. Are there snacks at all, vending machines? Yeah, vending machines. You can get pictures taken. And then, um, they start visits at 8 a.m. the end of it before. It's first come first serve.

Certain days of the week? No. Every day. Every day. Besides, where I think, I think no Tuesday and Wednesday. No Tuesday and Wednesday. That's what it was. I think.

Yeah, there's no Tuesday and Wednesday. There's two days a week. Yeah, that's what it is. And they would, so say we came out at 8 o'clock and say the visit room was never at like max. capacity with people waiting to get in. Like people were coming in and there'd be like 70%

that people would leave and then more people would come in. You could sit out there from 8 to 4. But if it was full, then you get two hours. So then after your two hours, they would kick you out. If there was like people waiting and you were the first one in, they would kick you out in the order you came in after two hours. But like I'd never got kicked out of it. There was a couple

times like buses, because buses would come up from like Philly and stuff sometimes and there'd be like a fuck done people and like everybody's getting a visit the same day. So on days like that, like I live, my parents only live 45 minutes away from the jail. So on like a bus day, like my mom would be like, I didn't know a bus was coming. We stayed out for like a half hour and I'd be like, that's cool. I see you in a couple days anyway.

Like whatever. Just because, you know what I mean? Like it's not like, I'm not driving six hours. Well, I'm not driving at all. But she's only driving, you know what I mean? In 40 minutes. She's like, and it's so busy. Like it's.

Do you have siblings too that are coming? Yeah, I have four siblings. And they came to visit you too? That's great. What's the food like at the prison? Not good. I mean, like, typically. but um the thing that really sucks is just the portion size because some of the stuff tasted

good you just didn't get enough you're like damn like it's always the best meals you get the least amount no no like and it's like bro like i would have ate another try of this you know what i mean like well that's where i guess the commissary hustles come into play so what was the commissary like and what kind of meals were you guys cooking i feel like the same kind of meals most people make like regular like they call like i don't know what you call your like hookup like people call it hookups call it Chi-C-Chi's in Pennsylvania. Chee-C-C-C-C-E. Yeah, that's what they call, like, your random, like,

soups, meat and cheese and, like, all thrown together and shit. But, like, a lot of times, like, towards the end of the bit, like, everybody's making fried rice towards the end of my sons. I saw one of your videos where you put water in the noodle thing. I never saw that happen. Because we, I know, so the Fed guys are spoiled. We have hot water dispensers and we have microwaves. And when the microwave breaks, there's multiple other microwaves.

At the camp, some guys literally had microwave parts smuggled in from the street to fix a microwave if it would ever break yeah it was crazy but i saw your video and it just it the water like absorbs in the noodle like that's crazy yeah it's it's very interesting like and it puffs out in the bag that's like the burrito i saw the video you and cliff made yeah that was the coolest shit i've ever seen i'll show you it's it's very interesting and like that's like a very like yo i don't i'm broke right now i got a couple soups like i just like i don't feel like eating just a regular soup like I'll do this real quick it's just a simple you know what are you cooking or did you always have someone cook for you it depended on what we were making like if it was just me and my cell

eating like I would cook he would cook it just depended on who didn't have as much going on so like if it was block out but I got a phone call a pinnacle game and then a phone call like he's gonna cook but if he's like yo I got to you know what I mean go do this and do that but all right like I'll cook or we'll throw it together but like a lot of times we throw it together while we're locked in throw the water in it half time sticking in the stinger leaving in the stinger for the next 45 minutes so we come in for the night

and then eat it when we come in and then it's already done. What's a stinger? Like an extension cord? And you guys? Do they have them in the feds? We had them. Is it contraband for you?

So yes. So yes. But no. So like it's weird. So like you're not allowed to have a stinger. It's like against the rules. But if they find a stinger they just take it from you.

They don't write you up for it. That's how they did in the feds. Yeah. If somebody trips the breaker, somebody has to, because their breakers are on like a four-cell cycle. So like if somebody trips a breaker on, if the breaker trips in my cell, these two cells and this cell here are all dead on power right now. And we all have TVs in ourselves. We all have fans. You know what I mean?

Tablets that we need to charge. Like you need your power on. What's on the tablet? Music emails. But you have to pay for the music obviously. the first like JPA tablet they sold

was just music and like emails that were obviously like watch and how much is that? What the tablet? It was like 212 and you could sit in your bunk emailing people yes but you couldn't send them

from the bunk you had to go plug it in in the machine when you could only do that at certain times or whatever and then once a second my phone and then they got a new tablet

that you could get games on and shit and now they're talking about doing the ones with like the visits because like they do that in like certain jails in certain states my buddy was just an ice holding and he would call me literally you know four times a day like just honest john like chilling like and um and my voice is really

you want some water no but um still in pennsylvania they don't have that now back to the stinger where do you guys get the extension cords are you like going the library and cutting lamps and stuff oh no you just buy it on commissary you could buy it yeah because you because like i said in pennsylvania you have TVs in yourself your tablets keyboards you have all these things that need plugged in and there's only, you know, two sockets, you know, two sets of sockets on, so you have four plugs, but it's just not enough. And a lot of times you're, you know, got a TV under the bunk or over here. And so it's just, they sell extension cords. Now, what's the currency?

It was tobacco and tickets. But then they stopped selling tobacco, like four months after I came home. So now, obviously there's no more tobacco. Oh, they sold tobacco pretty late, right? They sold tobacco until 2019. What was it, dipping pouches? No, it was cigarettes. You could smoke cigarettes in the Pennsylvania.

you stay prison? Until 2019. That's wild. I smoked my entire bit. Okay, so it was cigarettes and you guys are just dealing cigarettes? Yes, cigarettes. You could buy packs of Newport. How much was a pack of?

Like $13. Okay. Or you could buy a pack of kite for like three or four. You could buy cigars. You could buy black and milds, Philly Blunts. Could you smoke in the cell or no? So no, but everybody did. Unless they would see you with the lit cigarette, they wouldn't say anything.

Where do you get a lighter? You buy it on commissary. They sell lighters in the prison. No one's catching things on fire or anything? trying to burn blankets? Once in a while. Once in a while it will happen, but almost every, like, fire that I saw was an accident. Like, nobody, like, intentionally did it.

Like, it was, like, somebody was, like, making, you know, burning soot for ink and if tipped over and burned their rug and, you know what I mean? Stuff like that, but, like, nobody was, like, really, I never saw anybody, like, set a fire, for real. What's the craziest thing you saw in prison over your six years? The craziest thing. thing that I saw I saw a lot of crazy

stuff I saw multiple like 25 on 25 territory war from the streets this is like race gang no it's not even race it's like so at this time it was South Philly against

they called them the Africans but basically it was people that were from West Africa that were living in Philly I don't know what part and they were gang warring in the jail for whatever reason. So they were like going at it like on both sides of the jail because there's two sides of the jail. And these blocks don't really interact with these blocks besides like school and work. So like they're getting a fights over there.

So then they're getting in fights over here. They're sending them to the hole. And as soon as they get out the hole, they're going right back. So it's like a like ongoing thing. And like it ends up like culminating with like a 20 on 20 like multiple lifelines in. There was a riot. So I got transferred and then like three months later. there was like one of the biggest riots ever in Pennsylvania happened with like multiple COs like getting like damn near killed this is at your prison yeah I had just left though I wasn't there when it happened I've told the story because like I know a lot of people that were there and like

it's an interesting story to tell but I wasn't personally there to like witness it happened but um there was like people that got like sentenced to like 40 years for it and shit like and people died nobody died but they they were like close like they called the snipers and they They had shooters on the roofs of the jail and stuff, like from the state police. That's wild. Sorry. Now, are inmates hooking up with female staff at all? Do you ever hear about that?

So it does happen. How does it happen? They almost always get caught. Just by kind of, most of the time it's like somebody they know. It's a lot of people from that area specifically. Or people that have just been down for a really long time that, like, have been around these people for, like, a very long time. Why do you think the guards entertain this? People were weird, man

I don't know Is there just like an attraction To like that? Sometimes Sometimes Like I'm sure there's There's women staff That are like damn like

Are these good looking women? Not really But like There's you have a couple in every jail They're like oh she's pretty You know what I mean? Oh she got a fat house Like

But it's just one of those things Where it's like And what is it like a competition Among the guys? Nah Like the people that you find out their fucking staff, you don't know their fucking staff until they get caught. Yeah.

Like they're not like, oh yeah, bang, they're like, it don't happen because they're like so dead scared to like getting, you know, caught up. Did you have to work a job in prison? Yeah, so I worked in the kitchen and then once I finished my group, I went to the wood shop and I got a trade in cabinet making and I made a lot of knives. Knives. Yeah, that was my hustle for a little bit. That was your hustle?

For a little bit, yeah, for like a year. Did anyone ever do anything illegal? with the knives? So the most illegal thing they did was like it called with them. Okay. Because like people were dumb and like people were asking for like like, like you don't need a 14 inch fucking piece of plexiglass bro. Were they using that for a weapon or just to cook with and no, no, no, no, for a weapon. Okay. You don't need to smuggle anything to cookway. You can get everything you need right in the kitchen or right on a block. Okay. But um we all use, we all get like, I don't know, we get IDs in like actual like IDs and everybody just uses that. That's what we used to

the red plastic ID. Um. Um. How much are you charging for a knife? Like $50. $50 to get one knife? So they're just giving you 50 commissary items or whatever the currency is. Normally 50 tickets. Wow. That's nuts.

They pay me when I give it to them. You didn't ever feel bad if they use that to hurt someone or anything? No, because one, a lot of times it was people that I already know that are coming to me. Two, people don't randomly get stabbed in prison. Like maybe that makes me a shit, you know, a shit bag to say. But like if you get stabbed in prison, like there was a reason for that. Like that's like the most extreme thing that of the most extreme sort of violence that you can face in a prison. So if you're getting stabbed, like you told on someone, you're a sex offender, you know, something like that's pretty much it.

You're not just like, oh, me and you bump shoulders. Like I did a knife so I can kill them. Like it's not that. You know what I mean? And I know for a 100% fact that no knife that I made ever did get used while I was there. But that was only for, like I said, a year. I probably sold 30 knives in a year. I mean, it's just, and like a lot of them were two gang members.

So it's a pretty good hustle. Yeah. What about best, best bunk mate and worst bunk mate? Oh, best bunk mate. So best bunk mate is probably my best friend to this day. Brandon. We were selling these for like the end of our sentence. See, I had a lot of good sellies, though.

So I can't really, like, no, he was definitely my best selly, but, like, there are other people that, like, I wouldn't really, like, say that they were bad sellies at all. Like, they were, like, my man Murph, that's still my daughter. I called him on the way here. Like, I talk to a lot of these dudes still to this day. Like, I see Brandon on a daily basis. Like, I coach his kid is the one that I coach in literally.

Like, that was my cellie from prison. Like, that's not, like, oh, my sister's kid. Like, the kid that I've posted millions of times on my social media. he has shown his sports shit is my homie from prison kid that I see literally on a regular basis like I moved out there like you could make great bonds like I think a lot of people underestimate like your ability when you're with guys in prison no absolutely to to form this bond and relationship with people it's so here's the example I always use right say you meet someone It's your freshman year of high school, right?

You meet new dude just moved to town. You meet them, right? You guys hit it off real quick. You're like, oh, damn, he's cool, man. I like him. You know what I mean? We'll hang out. So you guys hang out at school every day.

You got a couple classes together. You hang out before you get on the bus or whatever, get your ride home. You hang out like, you know, one day a weekend, like every weekend, though. Right? You do that. Then boom, two years later, you guys got licenses. You guys are hanging out like every day for a couple hours and this and that. You guys graduate and you guys have known each other for years now.

You're like, I know everything about this person. Now put you in a cell with me for three months. I know you longer than him. I know he longer than this dude that you grew up with for four years in 30, 60, 90 days because I'm with you at every moment. And these are also individuals that are going through like the rough shit of life. Right. And they're there. Most of the time, they're like they're hardened individuals that they've experienced the rock bottom.

Right. And they're the realest dudes you'll ever meet. The ones that aren't snitches, aren't rats. Like they're the rider dies for you. Exactly. Exactly. That's a good way to describe it. That's awesome.

What's the drug situation like? And are you doing any drugs inside prison? Like I got high once in a while, but like it wasn't like... Aside from K2, of course. So like most of it was like Suboxin, which like I don't like, I don't really like opiates and shit like that. That was never like my thing. Like I did pills before I went to jail, but that was because it was like cool at that time. This was 2011.

You know what I mean? Like people were like experimenting with perks and shit like this is before. everything's fake. This is, you know what I mean? This is right before the opioid epidemic hits, though. Like all these people I was experimenting with, like, I went to prison and, like, they died or ended up in rehab multiple times. Like, and that could have just as easily been me.

Like, I always say, like, oh, I was only fucking around for a couple weeks. I never was, like, dependent on any drug. But, like, I don't know that it would have stayed that way if I would stay free. I can't. I can't say that. You know what I mean? I don't know. But, like, drugs in jail just was never really, like,

Like my thing, like I said, like everybody, not everybody, but like most people get high once in a while. Like, it's just like you're fucking bored too. Like, what's the worst thing that happens? Like, you take a drug test, you fail, you go to the hole. No. Okay, like, I'm still fucking in prison. You're very laid back. Go with the flow type of person.

But like, that's what like I was the same way I am right now is the same way I wasn't there. Like I talk to people. I try to make people laugh. You're a people person. That's what I've always been that. And like my homies just a hate. that shit when I was in jail. They used to always talk shit. They'd be like, bro, like, you

don't have to talk to that person. You don't have to talk. Like, keep the circle. I was like, well, like, I'd just be talking. Like, they're fine. Like, it's cool. Like, I'm the only white dude sitting at the Puerto Rican table. I'm the only white dude sitting at the Crip table. Like, besides the white Crips. Like, nobody, like, cared.

It was just like, oh, that's Shaggy. That's what they call me. They called me. They're like, oh, that's Shaggy. Like, that's shaggy. Like, there'd be situations where, like, we'd be on a basketball court. Somebody knew, like, be trying I'm like, get tougher or something. I'd be like, yeah, like, it's cool, bro. It's like, whatever, do your thing. And then people want to see me over it, bro, you go, bro.

You go on that shaggy, bro. You go on that shaggy, like, shaggy, like, shaggy. Like, leave, let's shaggy. That's a great prison nickname. Like, it was just, like, it was just, I was always a person like, you're cool. You need anything? Like, you good.

Like, you need to talk. All right, let's go spend a track. Like, what's wrong? Oh, your mom died? Fuck. Like, I wasn't expecting you to say that. But, like, oh, let's talk about it. You're the prison therapist.

Yeah, like, you just get to know people the longer you're there. And like, seven years ain't a short amount of time. Like, you start to know a lot of people. You know what I mean? Especially with the jail with 1,300 people, when 70% have less than three years to serve, it's always rotating. So then by the time you're leaving, you're one of the people that's been there longer than everybody else. And you're like, damn, like, you know, only people that have been here longer than me are people serving, you know, 10, 15, 20 years. But most of them got transferred in after I did.

So it's just, it is kind of crazy. like you just really do get to know a lot of people like and then I ended up moving not far from the jail that I was in like a couple years after I came home so now I run into these COs that like I knew like often like sometimes on a daily basis like this dude that like I coach little league and one of the ums was he worked security at the prison I was in he was on the search team he searched myself multiple times I'm literally out of game this is a year before I'm coaching I'm out of game. It's a playoff game. We're in the back standing next to the bleachers just drinking beer, me and a bunch of dudes, right, at the game. This dude comes up and I look at him. I was like,

I know you. He's like, yeah, what's up, right? And I was like, where I know you? I know you from jail. He's like, yeah. And I was like, you are searching. He's like, yeah. Because I hit me a beer. I'm going to fuck, bro. To do your thing. Like, whatever. He's like, he's upping the next game. Like, it's just normal people. There's people that follow me on social media that have literally reached out to me and been like, yo, I can't friends you on here because I don't want to get in trouble but like yo it's good to see you're doing good or I run into a CO yo like we're glad to see it's always a lot of prison guards follow us oh yeah oh yeah I get so many comments saying wow you know like this is true and they'll they'll say this is true I work at a prison like they relate to it

because a lot of prisoners aren't talking to them on that personal level right so they get to hear our perspectives after and it's kind of really it's not like a mentality anti you know law enforcement or anything they're coming on and they're interacting with us and they they love the stories I think it's great. No doubt. So it's interesting to see like that perspective. I ran into a guard that actually put me into the hole at the Danbury prison at a bar like a month ago. I had dated his cousin.

He reported the conflict of interest. And we just like caught up for an hour. He came up to me. He's like, dude, I'm sorry about the whole thing. Like I had to report it. But he was just like a cool, genuine dude. And he just wanted to approach me and kind of like get my mindset into it. And like I think that's great.

No doubt. There shouldn't be the mentality of just because they're like a person. Prison guard means that we can't talk to them or associate them. Right. Like that's the thing. Like, as far as like being a CEO, unless you were a dickhead, like, most of them in Pennsylvania are just doing their job. They make good money.

They have a union. They have good benefits. They don't really got to fuck with you. You know what I mean? Those are the best guards. The ones I would come and say, don't do it in front of me. Right. That's it.

I don't want any paperwork on my shift, no problems. Yeah. Like, there's never, like, I never have a problem with them. But there's certain COs that if I see, like, I would. actually do anything but like if I wasn't on papers I probably risk it. We don't want to hear that bit. I'm just saying I'm like you can't run it. I'm got I got a message from someone that works in a prison that I was in

maybe two months ago and said hey just wanted to give you heads up this person is talking about suing you for defamation character. I saw that video yeah and I've talked about this man multiple times online. The problem was it's not defamation. because you're a piece of shit. I hope you see this podcast too, you punk bitch. But the whole thing is, I know he watches my shit. I've been hearing for years from C's that I run this thing.

Like, oh, yeah, such and such said he saw this video. Or I'll run it in something. We'll be like, oh, my God, we saw this video you made about such and such. We're dying. And I'm saying such and such now because of the defamation thing. I ain't going to keep saying his name if he's, you know what I'm going to play. But, yeah, it's like, damn, like, you're that mad at me? Or, like, do you just think I make a lot more money than I do?

Like, was it like, bro, like, you make good money. You don't got to sue me, bro. It would be all right. I see why three million people like you on social media, Colin. How much time did you end up serving in prison? And what year did you get out? I served seven years and four months. I got out February 28th, 2019, which is ironic because, like I said, I sat for that five months in the county.

The first four and a half was me waiting to get sentenced. Then I got sentenced. Then three weeks later I went upstate. I actually got sentenced to my time. February 29th leap day of 2012. So I came out seven years to the day of when I got sentenced. Well, could you have gotten out earlier or was that the earliest? I could have gotten out November 6th of 2018.

It would have been the earliest I could have got out. And why didn't you get out of that though? So like I said earlier, I don't know if you remember when I said, like I'm not the smartest criminal in the world. So my homie was like, yo, got tattoo motors for sale. I was living with a tattoo artist at the time. Why would I not do that? get bombed out eight months before I'm about to leave

like finish my shit up you know what I get the motor I see them on the walk I grab the motor I come back and I got to go to group because I don't know what that kind of groups I make y'all do but like I was in violence prevention it's like the mandatory group if you're like a violent offender they make you do they have low intensity high intensity that was high intensity violence prevention it was six months and three weeks and if you missed more than two they kicked you out and you

had to restart it and you can't go home without doing your group. So I'm in this group and the tattoo motor is in my shoe because I had time to really hot it, right? Mind you, we could, we had a little tool that we had made to take the light off, like off the wall completely. So when I came back, I'm like, let's put that, let's put that motor up in the light. So when we pop the light off, we're putting it, we're in the process of putting the screws back in and the door pops. Like you can hear the door from the vestibule pop. Like, see us coming in block. And she's doing around.

She's our regular CEO. She's walking by, and this is all she's saying. She's walking my e-sails and saying, search team, search team's on the blog. Search team, search team. So search team's in a bubble. So we're like, okay, fuck. We got to make sure we get this shit.

Because if you touch the light, you're going to know that you can't get it as tight as you want. So we're up there like crank on this fucking day to get it closed. And they come up and they're like search team. They're coming to y'all. And we're like, what? She's walking away. Now she's like facing the other way. She's a search team 22 cell.

They're coming to y'all. So, like, oh, okay, fuck. So they come up and look out. They knock on the door. I'm sitting on the toilet, rolled a cigarette, right? And my homie's on my cello's on the bed watching TV. They come to the door and like, hey, go ahead and cuff up. I'm like, wait, what?

Or no, no, no. They said, well, go ahead and slide your ID out under the door, which means you're going to the hole. So I'm like, yo, what you mean? Like, no, like, stop playing. I'm like, stop playing. They're like, no, like, go ahead, slide that ID up under the door. I'm like, for what? They're like, man, we don't know.

It's an investigation. And they brought you the whole. I'm like, bro, what the fuck? So yeah, we slide our IDs out. They come. They brought both of you? They brought both of us, right? So we get to the whole, they serve us our paperwork, which is literally you are being placed under investigation.

So basically, all that means, they can hold you for 15 days, renew it, hold you for another 15 days, then they got to let you out or write you up. So I'm like, okay. But the investigation isn't supposed to hurt your group, but if I miss too many, I'm going to be fucked. So I'm like, what the fuck, right? So like

two hours later, more paperwork comes out of the door. Possession of a contraband, tattoo motor. And you both get hit with the charge? I'm like, what the fuck? I'm like, what the fuck? I'm like, but they don't send you to the hole in

investigation for shit like this. So the investigation has nothing to do with the motor. We got hit with the investigation. They found the motor while they're searching our shit because of whatever the investigation is for. So I'm like, what the fuck? Like this fucking corny. My Sally has like four or five

years left, right? So if I have four or five years left, I'd be like, you're about to see craw, eat a motor, whatever. And he doesn't eat the motor. He was like, dare, bro. That's crazy. I'm like, you wanted me to get the fucking He wouldn't do that for you, huh? Like the whole thing was, I'm going to buy the motor, give it to you, you're going to tap me up,

and then you can go make your money with it. That was the whole thing. So I'm like, all right. So you lose some good time or whatever. They don't do good time, yeah. So you lose some of your ability. So I get denied parole the first time I go. Oh, because of that.

Yeah, because of that. They told me out it was that and I was arrested the community. But if you get denied for anything, they put on there that you're a rest of the community. It's like they just slap it on there. And then six months later you got out. Yeah. So in Pennsylvania, so my minimum, like, Like I said, was November 6th.

That was my minimum date. That's when I could have got out. You see parole four months before that, before your minimum. And that gives you time to get a decision back, get your home plan done, take a drug test that you pass, do all that shit you got to do before you get out. So you see them four months before. So I get a six-month hit. But it's not six months from your minimum. It's six months from when you saw them.

So realistically, I'm only seeing parole two months after I should have been home. And the process moves quicker when you're already denied because you're not. waiting on a minimum date. So you can have all your home plan stuff done in a month and then wait three months to leave because that's your minimum. But once you're over your minimum date, you're just waiting to know what date it is. So I saw them January 23rd of 2019 and I was home February 28th. Now not long after you got out your father passes away. Yeah. He passed away April 12th, 2019. Did you feel regret that you didn't get to spend those years with him prior to his death because you committed a crime?

Yeah. So I, so yeah, like me and my dad, like I said, we didn't get along like that. We had a lot of, you know, animosity towards each other for a lot of years. And, you know, we worked on that shit a lot while I was in jail. He would come up and see me while I was in prison and shit. And we really gotten a lot better replaced. And then he got sick. So it was kind of like, it was kind of corny because it was like, damn, like, we finally

were on like a good place where it's like, okay, I'll come home and actually have like a normal, like, relationship with my dad. You got some closure. And then it was like, nah, we're not doing that, bro. No, check it out. So then he was like, yeah, I'm going to go out, chill over here in this box and, you know, because we got him cremated and shit. Yeah.

So I see the videos you make with him. That's been like an iconic staple of your friend. That's crazy. So, yeah, so he passed like, it was six weeks. How was your mental health after that? So. Like a lot's going through your mind. You're getting out of prison starting over and your father.

passes. What's that like? So it was rough, but like my dad was sick for years. Like he had dementia. Like he had been diagnosed for five years. Like he, yeah, he died young. He was 50. To get diagnosed with dementia at 45 is crazy. Like I don't know if you just heard that Bruce Willis got diagnosed with dementia. It's the same exact form. It's rare, but it's the most common in like younger people. Bruce Willis is 67. My dad was 45. That's more than 20 years younger. You know what I mean?

So by the time I came home, like, it took my dad, like, a full day to, like, realize really who I was. Like, he called me his burglar for the first two days I was home. But it was just, you don't want people to die. But, like, at that point, it wasn't, his quality of life was so bad at that point, like, completely. He didn't do anything. You couldn't do anything. Did you come out of prison knowing you didn't want to get involved in crime anymore? Yeah, I knew that for like, I'd known I was done with that for like damn near as long as I was in.

Like it was very quick where it was like, all right, like that was it. Do you think that prison sentence was like just in the sense where it gave you a good wake-up call? Like if they only gave you like a year, do you think you would have been back on the street doing more stupid things? I can't say that I would have for sure, but there was a lot more of a positive. When you do a lot of time, like, when you do a year, it's like, oh, like, it's a year. Yeah, it's a year. But, like, when you do multiple, multiple years, like, you really got to think, like, especially, like, being on parole for as long as I am, like, if I do something, they take my street time,

they give me a parole hit on this number I'm already on, which would probably be, for, like, a serious felony, three years, would have to do that parole hit and then see the parole board. and if I got paroled, then I would start doing the time for the case that I'd caught. Do you feel like you're walking on eggshells all the time? No, because I don't do shit. So you're just, you're confident in yourself.

I'm good. Like, there's nothing that I do that I'm like, oh, this is like a little shady or like, oh, I probably shouldn't do that. Like, it's just me, like, living my life normal as anybody would. How's your relationship with your parole officer? Good.

Question. Are the tax real that go on social media? No. They're fake. They are. Do people know they're? Faker, you're being exposed. They're fake in a way, okay?

Because they are real to a person, but he's not my PO anymore. It's your old PO. It's my old PO. I don't have him anymore. That's fair. You know what I mean? Do that because it's like... Why did you decide to go on social media and essentially become like this world-renowned prison

talker? So when I came home, my sister, who is, she'll be 16 in April. So at this time, she's like 11, about to be 12. She's making, like, she's doing all these TikTok dances. All these TikTok dances. I'm like, what do you do? She's just dancing randomly throughout the house. Like, what are you doing?

She's like, I'm making a TikTok. Oh, I'm making a TikTok. She's like, you should download it. I was like, I don't watch dancing. She's like, no, there's a bunch of stuff on it. So I was like, all right, so I download it. And I started watching it. I was like, this is funny.

I start, like, talking to her. I'm like showing her videos and shit that are like, I should not I should probably like humor that's like way too old for her but like I'm just like yo this is funny she's like that's fucked up and it's like there was real humor

on the app back then now everything's very recycled but like back then like you would find like people like doing like very like there wasn't like everybody wasn't so niche specific back then everybody was just doing like random shit trying to figure it out and um like the biggest

people on the app like the biggest people on the all they've done is like lip synced and danced. So you come on and you're doing, what's your first video? My first video is me talking shit about people that were messaged me on Facebook, asked me, hey, how are you been? I'm like, bitch, how you think I've been? You acting like we won't be friends now.

Like, I didn't expect you to do that before me while I was in prison. I didn't expect that. But you don't got to act like we owe each other these pleasantries now, but we ain't talking eight years. So you're like the creator of prison talk then. So when I started creating content on TikTok, there was one other person that was talking about prison on TikTok, but his name was Justin Domenid. But he wasn't really talking about prison. His content wasn't prison.

His content was food and prison food and would just like talk about jail here or there. I was the first one. And then after me, it was burner 420. That was really like full answering everything that people asked about prison. And you just, you blew up. Like, how many followers do you have? have right now. 2.6, like, I'm like 100 away from 2.7.

What was that like just getting yourself out there blowing up? I mean, you hold what, the record of posting the most amount of videos that asserted about a time to. So it was crazy because like I found like quick success or what I thought was quick success where I went from like my second video blows up, goes viral. I'm at, you know, 10,000, 12,000, 15,000 followers. Then I kind of hit a lull. and then I started making,

it was the day after I hit 20K. I can run you through, my memory is very good, I can bring you through all this shit. It was a day after I hit 20K and I said, damn, I need a video idea. And I was like,

yo, if you ever get pulled over, here's what you do. Biggest video ever at that time goes viral. I'm gaining 20K. I make that a series. I get to 100K. It's like four months after I started. So I'm like, hype.

I'm like, damn, four months, 100K, let's go. That's lit. You know what I mean? And then I get hacked. I get hacked by my ex-girlfriend. She knows my password. She logs and deletes all my videos.

Oh, wow. So now I got no content. None. You start over. So I'm like, fuck. And I was so sick because I had like, I had like 2.2 million likes. I'll never forget all my account. And I was like, and then I had like none.

And I was like, no, I'm never going to get two million people or two million likes on these videos again. You know what I mean? I start posting again, start posting again, start posting again, summer hits, and I'm at like just over 200K. And then a combination of me playing basketball, talking about prison and telling people to suck my dick, culminated in me gaining 800K in like two and a half months. Why do you think people gravitated to you so much? So so many people have said it to me. It's easy to say it about yourself. Be like, oh, I'm the same on and off camera, right?

But that's been like the one thing that people have always told me like you're just authentic. Like you are just being you. Like I've met literally, literally hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people. And everybody said the same shit. Like, damn, like, you act exactly the same. And I think that's what it is. It's like I'm just a dude making videos. You know what's so great about your brand though?

And you don't see this with a lot of brands. even celebrities in general, it's that like when I got on prison TikTok, people were tagging you on my videos to kind of like get your opinion. You became like this big, big brother person that people could relate to. People idolized you. People really care for you and show you a lot of love. Right. Like if you were going through a tough situation, you went out there asking for help. They would help you. You post ads about, hey, can you download list to get me to the World Series? People are there for you. Right. How does it feel to have, you know, that gift the second chance at life to be able to inspire people and to have so much power at

your thumbs to like control the narrative it's weird it's weird because like for me it is just me being me so to have anybody be like you know you inspire me to want to do better or you know you give me hope that when my brother comes home from prison he'll do better like like that's awesome to me You know what I mean? And like, I haven't really talked about this, but like my whole goal is to start a cold, right? No, I'm kidding. But no, it's just, it is incredible. Like, I never dreamed it would be what it is.

Ever. You know what I mean? And it's funny because, like, my homies call me from jail all the time. And like, when I'm telling them about it, they're like, they're telling me like, yo, bro, everybody in the jail is talking about you. Like, everybody, yo, this person, the CEO saw this video was like, yo, do you guys see the video that Raymond? they're showing them shit on the computer in the bubble and shit. Like my homies have seen my videos. Because you're an inspiration, dude.

And like, it's just crazy because like, and it's funny because my homies, it goes back to what I said earlier. My homies are like, damn, like it's crazy. Like, now this shit makes sense. Like remember, I used to always tell you like, you ain't got to talk to everybody. You ain't got to be nice to everybody. He's like, I guess it makes sense that that's the way you are. Like, for you to be doing what you're doing now, like, makes a lot of sense. Do you feel like this was like your destiny?

This was your path? I don't know. So my whole thing was, I wanted, my whole plan was to come home, go to college, save money to go to college, to get a degree in social work, to be able to talk to at-risk youth to, you know, try to get them to go a different path than I did. Go into like youth facilities and stuff like that and talk to me with me like, hey, you don't want to be where I was. But now, instead of having to go to college, I'm able to do that for way more people and get all the same opportunities that I was. trying to get by going to college, except I'm getting paid to do them. So is content creation your full-time jobs?

Yeah, content creation's been my full-time job since 2020. And what's everything you do aside from content creation? What else do you do? I work for three, I'm on the board of three different nonprofits. I coach Little League. And I pretty much do like anything in the community that they asked me to do. I get asked to do quite a bit sometimes.

Like in August, my buddy calls me. He's like, hey, he's like, The high school band's raising money at this, like, drive. They want to know if you'll come out here and get pies thrown in your face for a half hour. So I was like, yeah, when is it? We're all about them. Me and all my family are about to go to the Steelers preseason game. I'm not a Steelers fan, but they all are.

So I'm like, yeah, we're going to go to this game. I was like, what time is it? Okay, cool. I'll run out there real quick. Take these pies in the face. Run back, jump in the shower. Get a car and leave. I run out there.

It's a dollar per pie, which is just shaving cream, unfortunately. I would have been a pie. A dollar a pie or like $5 for like the, you step up and you get to put it in my face. And we raised almost $900 in a half hour. And then I was like, got to go, jump with shaving cream all over, jump in the car, drive back to the house.

But like they said they needed help. So I went out and like they sent me a very, I just got it recently like Christmas. They sent me like a really nice card. Like thank you so much for coming out. And it's just cool that like to even be, to be known in any community. with a past or not for people to be like, yeah, like that's a dude to go to, like,

he could help do this or, you know, he's down to help do that. It's cool. To be felon doing that, to be like, yo, they're coming to you to be like, oh, like, this is what we're trying to do. That's pretty cool. Do you struggle with your mental health at all as a content creator? Like, I know I'll wake up some days and I just don't want to post. Like, it's just like, it's a struggle to get up and have to post.

You're putting your life out there for so many people. and it's just like it's exhausting. So what's that like for you? So it is exhausting. It is. It is. And the good thing too is like I have so many videos that I can find a video from two years ago that people don't remember.

And they know because I've had so many different hairs. Like I don't know if you've seen like my older videos. But like at one point I had pink hair. I've seen those. Then I had orange with the green beard. Then I had orange. Then I had red. And I had the blonde.

A lepricot. Yeah. Like there was a, there's been a lot going on. So you can always tell by one of my videos from like what year or like what part of the year it was. Like pretty much like my hair right now is pretty much how it was at the beginning of 2020. Which was when I found like my first like real like big success with it. So like that's why I'm not why my hair is like that.

But it's just one of those things where it's like it does get tiring sometimes. but like you just got to keep pushing through. My last question for you, what's your message to the kid that's in high school causing trouble, maybe running with the wrong crowd and, you know, doing things just to try to fit in to be cool. What's your message to that person? First off, you're not cool.

You were in high school. Ain't none of y'all cool. What's cool is growing up and really knowing who you are, really discovering who you are, who you are in your heart. You're going to fuck up. It doesn't have to be nearly as extreme as I made it or as Ian made it,

but you do not have to let your past define your future and I stand by that. People do deserve a second chance whether you want to believe it or not and there will be people that will never give that to you but there'll be more that do give you that second chance and welcome you back and really want the best for you

than people that don't. Like the hate's easy to see. the hate's very easy to see but there's always much more love you just the hate stands out a little in a different way so just stop fucking up that's it Colin thank you for coming on Lockton man I'm really happy I got to

meet you I'm happy you came happy we did this and really excited to see you continue to grow your brand and be that staple message to the world I definitely appreciate the opportunity definitely a dope setup I'm excited to see all the episodes you have coming forward and just keep doing your thing.

You're doing good too, man. Don't let nobody tell you no different. Not time to kick your ass in some food competition. Yeah, sure. Sounds good.