Locked In with Ian Bick - I Survived “The Jungle” — New York’s Most Dangerous Prison | Nesto

Episode Date: December 14, 2025

Nesto, raised in Harlem by a single mother, joins Ian to share the raw and unfiltered story of how he went from early street life to surviving some of the most dangerous prisons in New York. Pulled into the streets at a young age, Nesto became involved in a string of robberies that led to his arrest and time on Rikers Island, where he faced violence, chaos, and the reality of New York’s jail system before taking a 3.5-year plea deal. After sentencing, he was sent to one of New York’s most feared maximum-security prisons—known by inmates as “The Jungle”—where he witnessed extreme violence, gang politics, and the daily pressure of staying alive. While inside, Nesto caught a new charge for slashing another inmate, which added 1.5 more years to his sentence and landed him in solitary confinement, where the mental toll became just as intense as the physical dangers. #PrisonStories #NewYorkPrison #InmateSurvival #TrueCrimePodcast #LockedInWithIanBick #PrisonExperience #SurvivingPrison #realprisonstories Thanks to AURA FRAMES & BLUECHEW for sponsoring this episode: Aura Frames: Exclusive $35 off Carver Mat at https://on.auraframes.com/LOCKEDIN. Promo Code LOCKEDIN BlueChew: Get 10% off your first month of BlueChew Gold with code LOCKEDIN. Visit https://bluechew.com/ for more details and important safety information Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Shop Locked In Merch: http://www.ianbick.com/shop Timestamps: 00:00 Growing Up Reckless & Feeling Untouchable 03:00 Harlem Childhood, Family Dynamics & Early Environment 07:00 Street Influence, First Robberies & Early Crime 13:00 Robbery Spree, Viral Arrest & Neighborhood Attention 19:00 Life on the Run, Street Conflicts & Escalation 24:00 Arrest, Charges & First Time Going Through Processing 29:00 Life Inside Rikers Island: Reality Behind the Walls 36:00 Sentencing Day & Being Sent Upstate 40:00 Surviving Green Correctional Facility: Rules & Hierarchy 45:00 Box Time: Solitary, Retaliation & Prison Discipline 51:00 Violence, Corrupt Officers & Prison Society Explained 57:00 Coping Mechanisms, Mental Shifts & Staying Alive 01:02:00 Drug Smuggling, Power & How the Inside Economy Works 01:09:00 Getting Out: Parole Restrictions, Reentry & Adjusting 01:14:00 How Prison Changes You: Mindset, Growth & Second Chances 01:19:00 False Accusations, Staying Out of Trouble & Moving Smart 01:28:00 Rebuilding Life After Prison & Future Goals Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You talking to me? Kayak, got that right. As a young person, I was just reckless. I didn't care about nothing. I just wanted to, I felt like as a young person, I was untouchable. I felt like nobody could have touched me. The law. I felt like nobody could have touched me.

I just felt untouchable. Do you remember that first robbery you ever committed? Within my four months, I got sent to Rikers because I got caught with a ski mask and a Nike tub. So I thought I was trying to escape. What were you like at Rikers? Were you getting into fights, getting into trouble? So you better fight for your life.

You got to fight for your life. So that's a scary part about it. Ain't nobody helping you. Rikers Island, slashing charges, solitary. Nesto has lived through every level of New York's prison system. Today, he's here to tell us how he survived the jungle. Nesto, welcome to Lockton, man. Thanks so much for coming out here today. Day before Thanksgiving, I appreciate you making the time. I really appreciate you for having me, really. Yeah, and thanks for being a supporter of the show. It means a lot. Definitely. I like what you're doing. Thank you, man. How do you get the name Nesto?

Where did that come from? Because my names are Nesto, but I just go by, Nesto for short because it's like people try to call me Ernie and stuff like that so I don't got time for that I'd rather just go about playing Nesto and just it's better like that and also it's like I do music sometimes so I go about Prince Nesto it's such a unique name though Ernesto you know it is but it gives you that Mexican vibes it gives you that two Spanish vibes like people want to clown you a lot like yo Ernie come here like nah I don't got time for that like I don't got time for that what is your ethnicity in background I'm Dominican okay I was born and raised in Harlem, though.

Well, at least you're not white with the name of Ernie. That could be worse. That's more nerdy, you know? Yeah. Thank God. Isn't there a show? Oh, I'm thinking of what's the guy's name? It's Sesame Street.

That's what it's coming from. Erkel. Steve Erkel? Yeah, from, what is that, Fresh Prince of Bel Air? Is that? I don't think so. No, it's a different. Ah, the comments are going to rip me up on this.

Yeah, I know for sure, for sure. It's from Sesame Street. Ernie, yeah. Yeah. A lot of people's going to troll me about this in a few watch. Where'd you grow up? I grew up in Harlem, but me living in Harlem, I used to always be in the Bronx mainly. Like, I used to hang out in the Bronx more.

Who were you raised by? Who were you raised by? My mother, just my mother pretty much. My father, he's there too, but they live separate, but I was raised by my mother pretty much, but she was always working, so I was really raised by the streets. Were they divorced or ever together? Yeah, they was divorced pretty much. Since the time you were born?

I could say pretty much, yeah. Do you have any memories of them together? Nah, not really just, nah, not at all. What do your mom do for work? She do home attendant, and she's also like a, what you call it, like a bus driver helper, whatever they call that, like she helps on the bus pretty much with the kids. Oh, like one of those, they would have the ones that sat right behind the bus driver? Pretty much.

They go outside, grab the kids, put them on the bus for the school, pretty much. One of the yellow buses, pretty much. Were you and your mom close growing up? Yeah, she's definitely my best friend. So when she was working, who would watch you? Something called the door. In Spanish, your mom be like, don't open the door, so that's who's watching you. Like, just don't open the door.

So basically the door's watching you. Like, just don't open it. That's like a Dominican sling that mothers use pretty much. Did you listen to that? I did. But it's like I used to really just be outside for real I needed freedom

But I had my little brother Like he's here And it was always me taking care of him Pretty much It was just always me and him in the house But my mom was just really hard working Like she didn't give up She was by herself pretty much

Trying to make sure we had everything Do you put blame on your mom at all For not being around to raise you? Nah, I don't It's not really her fault I blame it on the neighborhood I'm from I'm not going on. I blame it on my neighborhood

What about your dad? Did you resent him? He's a good father. Like, he's not a street person. He's, he always try to make sure I go down the right path in life. Like, he made sure, like, he told me a million times not to go to prison. He made sure he gave me a million of vices. And I just, like I said, I'm from the wrong neighborhood.

And life just went left. Where was he, like, when you were left alone at home? He was always in the Bronx because he has his own wife and his own little, family. Like, he has a little brother of mine that passed away recently. And then he also has my little sister. So it was them in that little household pretty much. Do you wish that he would have came around while you were left alone? He was, it wasn't like he wasn't trying to come around. He was always trying to come around. It's just me as a man. I felt like I don't want it, like, I don't want just support. Like, I feel like I want to figure it out myself. Like, he'll always give me

money anytime he'll see me. Like, it's never a time he see me, he don't give me money. He always makes sure he gives me money. So he always, like, try to make sure he gives me money. So I don't got to commit no type of crime to end up in prison. So it wasn't him. He tried his best, but it was really just me. It wasn't him neither because at the end of the day, he placed me in my mom in Harlem

pretty much. Like, he put us in that house. So, like I said, it's just the neighbor I'm from pretty much. It's not him. Do you think he regrets? putting you there, looking back on what's happened? Probably do. He probably do.

The good thing is that I basically got over it. Like, it happened. Like, it almost killed them pretty much because he almost caught a stroke behind that. Like, he's seen it on the news. Like, I was on the news. So imagine you seeing your kid on the news and they're talking about a robbery. So imagine how you're going to feel about that. And then the whole family, because they're Dominican.

So the whole family, they're going to feel. fill of a type of way, they go and talk a lot because that's what Dominicans do. So, basically, I know for a fact, he wish I would have won a different path in life. I know for a fact. I regret it.

What does it feel like to be the man of the house at that age? Like, that's put on you at such a young age and that's instilled in you. What does that feel like? It felt, like, it felt good. It felt regularly because I just,

I don't know, I grew up too fast. Like, the streets where I'm from, the Harlem where I'm from, is like, I was raised by a lot of HUD people,

so it's like, I was taught how to move different. So I was already mature by a different type of age. So it's like, I was able to hold down the household pretty much on my own.

I didn't really, I feel like I didn't need nobody, to be honest. What's one thing you wish you got to experience as a child that you didn't get to? I don't even know for real. To be honest,

I can't even think of something because I feel like I did everything as a kid. I did everything. And I survived everything I've done. Like a lot of parties, a lot of just having fun. I was living different at a young age. And it's like after that little prison experience, I grew up and I just matured. And I'm just like everything.

I'm done with everything. Like I'm good. I just want to stay home and just chill pretty much all the time. What did young Nesto want to be when he grew up before the streets, before all that? To be honest, I just wanted to be famous pretty much. That's what I want to be in life. I just want to be famous as in either being an actor or I wanted to be a rapper pretty much or a singer, whatever.

I just wanted to do whatever, like, because I wanted to do something where I could get back to the community in the future. Like, that's my type of goals. Like, I love giving back to the community. Like, I actually do it on the daily basis for my job and stuff. Like, I give out to the homeless people. I look out. Like, I'm not a bad person.

And I really like looking out for people. Who instilled that into you? Was it your mom? Was that your dad? Did you pick that up somewhere along the way in your journey? Yeah, I picked it up somewhere along the journey pretty much. Yeah, I definitely did. Like, I just, because of what I've been through in life,

I just know how it feels to be homeless. I know how it feels to be left alone. So I just like to look out sometimes because hunger is a pain you don't want to suffer. What was your first introduction into the streets? When I first came, oh, when I was younger. Yeah. My first introduction to the street was like basically because I was the only Spanish person in my neighborhood, basically,

because when I'm from in Harlem, at that time, I was the only Spanish person. So it was like I was growing up seeing a lot of shootings and a lot of violence because everybody over there was gang members, black, stuff like that. So that was that was, that was their block pretty much. So I was there at witnesses and shooting every day, a whole bunch of groups fighting.

So it's like, I got accustomed to that lifestyle. I was going to school there. Like, it wasn't that many Spanish people in those schools neither. So it's like I got accustomed to some shit. And it's just, that's how life went after that. What was the first thing you were accustomed to? I could say robbery, probably. Like, I was robbing people at first because I got robbed.

I just, it's like basically me getting robbed as a kid. It was looking like it was easy because I gave it up easy. So it was like, this easy? I bet. Let me try it in life. And I just try that in life. And that's what introduced me to the streets for real. Because it's like I needed money.

And it's like I was trying to always get hard for real. So I need a money to survive in the streets because my mom was being stingy with the money sometimes. But she always made sure we eat. But it's like, I need them more. I need them more. So it's like I had to get introduces. Two Good and Co-Copy creamers are made with farm-fresh cream, real milk, and contain three grams of sugar per serving.

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to some whole other shit. What did you want the money for? Pretty much for weed, clothes, and to have a whole lot of a good time, pretty much. I want to have a good time. That's what I want to as a kid. So why did you get robbed and who robbed you? That's just how Harlem was at that time.

Like, and I don't know, I don't know who it was, but it was like a random person, but it was random. It was on some, everybody hate Chris. I don't know if you ever seen that show. And a guy would be like, hey, little dude, let me get a dollar. It was like that.

And it was not even that one time. It was multiple times, though. It was like two or three times. And then it's like I was young. So I grew up and I just stopped jacking that. Like I wasn't accepting that no more. I wasn't going to let nobody play with me. Nothing.

I'm like, I'm going to start testing everybody now, pretty much. So I started targeting random dudes and I just started wanting. How would you do the robbery? Like basically me and my co-defendant It was basically like my co-defendant He'll set everything up pretty much And I'll just go along with whatever Because as a young person

I was just reckless I didn't care about nothing I just wanted to I just wanted to I felt like As a young person I was untouchable I felt like nobody could have touched me The law

I felt like nobody could have touched me I could have I could just feel untouchable Like I felt nothing could happen to me So it was like That's just how it was Do you remember that first robbery You ever committed? I probably don't.

I probably don't for real. It was probably with a girl. Like, I know I was probably with a girl at that time. A ladies man. Yeah. Like, she was the one that kind of set it up pretty much in her projects. Like, it was like a little tough time at that time between me and her. So she set it up pretty much.

That had to be the first one. Do you remember how it made you feel? Made me feel, like, good. Like, this is easy. Like, made me how to, like, I just felt like, I could. keep doing this and nobody's going to do nothing. I feel like nobody was going to catch me. How old are you at the time when this is going on?

And what year? I started, let's say, I was probably like 16, I was say. I was most likely 16. And the year was most likely, I'm not even short a year. I'd be smoking too much. I don't know. Well, like 2000s, mid-2000s? For sure.

It was like 2000. Something something. Sure. Did your mom know what was going on? Nah, she didn't. She was the one that actually told me about me being on the news eventually. Like, I actually ended up on the news like I told you my father's seen through or whatever. So my mom was the first one to contact me like, yo, I hope that's not you on the news, robbing people.

So I was sleeping with somebody. I woke up to the message at like 6 in the morning because my mom got to go to work early. So first thing she sees when she turned on the TV is the news. That's the first thing that turns on. Like, when you turn on the TV, that's the first thing that's on is the news. New York Channel 1 news or whatever. So I guess I was the first thing that popped up. And it was accurate because, like, at first, when I seen the message, I wasn't believing in it.

But I'm like, damn, how she knows? I'm like, now, I got to look into this. But I went back to sleep because I was high as fucking drunk and all. That was 6 in the morning. So I was unemployed or whatever. I didn't care about life at that time. Like I said, I was reckless bugging. So I woke up a couple hours later.

I started really looking it up. I'm like, oh, shit, I'm really wanted. I ain't going to lie. I cried. I cried because that's when I knew it was serious. And that's when I started, like, doing some whole other shit. I started going from house to house. I started whaling.

Like, I was scared. I felt like everybody was on the lookout. I ain't going to lie. It was to the point I downloaded a app where you could hear the police walkie-talkie. Oh, police shatter. Yeah, like, I was so paranoid to that point. Where it's like I had to, like, I order the app pretty much. And I just kept hearing this shit.

Like, I was paranoid every day. Every since I was on news, I was paranoid. How old were you at that point? I was 19. I was 19. Do you finish high school? Did you graduate? I didn't get a chance to finish.

I tried to finish it when I was in prison, but it wasn't easy because of COVID and too much violence and stuff. It wasn't easy. Why didn't you finish high school before you caught your case? Because that would have happened after high school would have ended. It's because I was very popular in school. Like, I had this little social media fame. I had this little fan.

Facebook fame for posting little dumb videos and little dumb statuses and I was just going viral for whatever. That's what got me into doing music. I'm like, damn, I got a huge fan base. I got like 22,000 follows on Facebook or whatever. So I got a huge fan base. I'm like, let me start doing music or whatever. So pretty much, that's how it was pretty much. What would you post? I'll post. I ain't going to lie. I was posting some bugged out shit because I was young. So I was posting some freaky shit sometimes which is go extra viral. You know, when you post, like, I'll go live. I'll go live. live and I would just start showing ass and shit.

Like, I'll start slapping shit. Like, I was wilding. And, like, sometimes I might be, shit, I ain't going to say too much. But, yeah, like, you catch a little snippet and that just goes super viral at that time. So how does that lead to you leaving school? Were you making money off of that? I wasn't making money off of it, but it's like I was enjoying the lifestyle pretty much. Like, I was enjoying all the people coming to me, all the people.

People wanted to be cool with me all the fake love and all that. Like, I was liking the attention from every school I was in. Like, I was very popular. And I was young with tattoos. So it's like, that made me more popular. So pretty much, yeah. Fellas, Blue Chew really woke up one morning and said, regular confidence.

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was basically because of my co-defendant. He did some dumb shit. And I was basically, I was even with him. I was with him, but I wasn't with him at the scene. Like I was at the Delhi store. He was doing some. some dumb shit. He was robbing somebody, you know, like he started fighting or whatever. So I'm looking for him and I passed by the building and I see him doing what he's doing.

I'm like, nah, why he doing that right now? Like, I ain't have the energy for that shit at that time. So I had a ski mask. I ain't going on a lot because it's cold. But I took my ski mask off and I kept walking. I'm like, I don't know this, nigga. I'm like, I don't want nothing to do with that. So next thing, you know, when I'm on the news, they make it look like I was the fucking lookout.

I wasn't a lookout. I was the one that was fucking looking for him. I was doing it there for one second. I looked to see if that was him. I'm like, oh, shit, that's him. He's wilding. And then I just kept going. I took my ski mask and all that off.

I wasn't involved in that shit. But I was already wanted for other robberies. So that pretty much connected us, well, me, to the robbery pretty much. And it got me caught up. What were those other robberies? Are they, like, home invasions, people on the street? Nah, they was pretty much. They was people on the street pretty much.

Like people, sometimes it'll be people we know or sometimes my co-defendant just want to target random guys and stuff like that. And would you guys use a weapon? How would that work? I mean, my co-defendant, he's crazy. He's Puerto Rican or whatever. He's crazy.

He was just using whatever he finds pretty much. But he wasn't hitting nobody. He didn't hit nobody because everybody was pretty much scared. So it was like he didn't hit nobody. Like, we didn't have to do no physical shit. He just had to physically take it from people. people pretty much take their wallet or whatever it is. So he has to physically take it.

And how old is he? How old is he? How old is he? I don't know for real. Older, younger. He got to be older. He got to, not that old. Probably like two years older at least.

And is he gang affiliated? Are you gang affiliated at the time? I don't know if he turned gang affiliated when we was upstate. That was the last time I seen him was when we crossed past up staying at Franklin. But when you guys were doing the robberies, you weren't? We weren't now. We wasn't. No gang, no nothing.

You were just doing your own thing. Yeah, we was just trying to get money. That's it. We wasn't nothing. Would you guys steal people's cell phones to? Yeah. He was doing everything. Like, we was going to, um, we was doing bum shit.

I'm not going on a lot. We was doing shit like going to Burlington, marshals, selling coats, and we'll go sell it to the ARABS. The ARABs will give us mad money for coats when it gets close to winter. They'll give us, damn, like, 400 per coat, pretty much. So it was like, my cold offending, he just had a hustling mind, and I was on some shit where I needed money.

I got a kid at that time and all that. I needed money for my kid. I needed money for myself. And it was tough at that time. It was tough. How old were you when you had your kid? I was 16 when I had my first kid. 16.

Wow. Made him at 15. Had him at 16. How do you feel looking back on it now that you had a kid that young? Shit's crazy. It's crazy. Because, I mean, like I said,

it's because I was popping and everybody was just throwing it at me. So I'm like, whatever comes to me, it is what it is. Like, I was having fun for it. I had a different type of lifestyle at that age, but then shit changed. But it felt crazy being a kid, having a kid, but I had him, and we did what we did. Now, these coats, how would you steal them?

Don't they have the little tags on them? Yeah, facts, it did. It definitely did, but my code offender had a girl that basically has, like, the machines or whatever. She got, like, tools or whatever that could burn the thing. Like, sometimes they'll burn it with a lighter. and it would just, all you got to do is grab some sharp thing and just press it and it'll release it. It's all different ways. Like she got probably, she had a metal thing too that takes the magnet off.

It's different ways. She had a couple ways. I ain't going on. What kind of shops are you hitting? What stores? Marshals, Burlington, CVS. They're paying that much money for coats from there. Yeah, facts.

Wow. You'd be surprised. You'd be surprised for real. Now the phone. It wasn't even nothing expensive for real. Now the phones, like, say it's a lot. locked iPhone, what can you even do with that? To be honest, what we was doing at that age, I don't even remember what we was doing

at that age with that shit. I forgot, I think it was kind of easier at that time to sell that shit. Like, people was just buying shit for real. But I didn't really care for the phones, for real. I didn't care about none of that shit. I just wanted the money in the weed. I didn't care about nothing else. Like, they could have everything else.

Like, I got myself a couple of jewelrys and shit, but I didn't really care about nothing else, like, for real. So the robbery happens at the at the bodega, right? Is that what it was? Nah, I was at the bodega. Yeah, that's where you got spotted. I was getting something. Like, we were together getting something.

He was like, yo, Nestle, I'd be right back. I see some. So I know what that means, but I'm trying to mind my business. I think he really meant that. So I'm in a daddy store, and that's when I come out looking for him, and that's when he's doing what he's doing. And then you end up on the news. You end up at the news the next day.

Because that case ended up going viral. Because basically somebody tried to intervene a neighbor, because like I said, it was inside the building on the first floor. A neighbor tried to intervene and help. So, you know, he needed his spot. Like, he went on the news and he started saying, yeah, I was trying to rescue him. Like, all types of stuff. Like, so it was one of those, like, where they need an exposure.

At the end of the day, we was going on a robbery spree at that time. So it was like everything caught up to us. because we was really wild. Like, they just couldn't catch us because of Citizen App. Citizen app. That shit helps you, yo, police is on the way. Somebody called the police. They called three minutes away, whatever, whatever.

So that shit helping me. I'm like, I bet. I'm out. Fuck, I'm going. I'm going through a project, going through a train. I'm gone. And we were just gone. How long were you on the run for?

That shit only lasted fucking two, two, three months. What were you doing? Staying inside the whole time? Nah. I was trying to because I was very paranoid. I was trying to. I felt like they was out to get me all at all times. But I really just, I kept going from crib to crib.

I ended up going to 43rd Street. I ended up moving over there to 43rd Street. About 10th Avenue, pretty much. That's by poor authority. So when I go to poor authority, that's when I get caught. I was literally going to go to Texas that day. And I got caught on my way to Texas. I was going to go see my girlfriend first, my ex-girlfriend at that time.

Before I take my wife. flight of Texas. I was hopping on the train and then I was going to go see her. And then that's when I got caught before. I even got a chance to see her. Why would you move next to Port Authority if you is because I felt like, like I said, I felt in touch, but I felt like they couldn't get me for it. I was paranoid, but I felt like it wasn't that serious. I'm like now, I'm going to Texas. Like, it was only temporary because I had to get out the Bronx. I felt like the Bronx is too hot. Like, police is on your body and I had like a little war going on with a couple guys over there. So we had to get up out of there for real

because it was going to get Nancy eventually. A war over what? Like it was a couple. We had, it was me. I got two co-defendants basically. So it was me and them two. And we had war with basically three of our bros. Like, they was our bros or whatever at one point of time.

But they switched up on us. Like, we lived in the same building. Like me and my co-defendants lived in the same apartment. And those guys, one live across the hole, one live on the sixth floor and one live on the first floor. So we all in the same building. But then they started beefing with us. Like we was all cool and they started beefing with us.

So we're going to war every day. Every day. Imagine you leaving your house and this nigger leaving the house as soon as you get out. Y'all fighting as soon as you get out. It's like that every day. It was like that every day. That shit was mad annoying. Every day.

When do your co-defendants get popped? Shit, after me. Oh, after you. So you go down first. I went down first. I was more viral on the news because I guess because of the social media fame and bullshit. I don't know what they had against. me, but I wasn't even really violent for real.

Like, I wasn't doing what my codiff and everybody else was doing. Like, I was really chill. Like, I was just with him for real. Like, so they had me on some model shit. They had me pitches everywhere. I'm like, damn, why y'all are my body full? And they just had mad pitches in me. And it was like, they got me first.

I think somebody snitched on me because I was known, like I said, I was known. Like, my face was going viral for a lot of weird shit, bullshit. Like, I was with females, for real, like, going viral. So my shit got exposed. And then I also had a picture with a gun on Facebook. And they told me about that. Like, it was a whole lot of shit when I got caught up. But they didn't catch me with the gun, though.

But they told me, they was like, yo, we seen your Facebook, blah, blah, blah. We've seen you got a picture with that gun where that gun is that, blah, blah, blah. We know you used a narwhery. I'm like, gun. I'm like, I do music. I don't know what you're talking about. He was like, oh, yeah, I know you do music. I've seen that on your profile too, blah, blah.

I mean, yeah, so that's props. I don't know what you're talking about you, no gun. And he dead-ass believed it And that's why that case got dropped Like that was one of my charges That shit got dropped They couldn't find that shit Like I ain't get caught with nothing pretty much

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Now, did the picture on the news that next day have your face fully shown, or was it just a ski mask on? They had multiple pictures. Like, every news channel had different angles, videos, different perspective of me. Shit, they was even lying. I've seen articles where they was lying and blaming my shit on other people.

Like, I was seeing this stuff. Like, damn, what the fuck? That's not even me in the picture. Like, that's not me in my code offense. They blame it on three other black guys. It was too much weird shit going on with the media. Like, the media be lines. But it was just too much going on with that shit for real.

So if you never walked in to make sure or to see what he was doing, you never would have gotten caught for the other robbers? I feel like not. I mean, most likely I feel like, yeah. I feel like maybe I would have got caught. But would you have stopped doing crime or do you think you still would have been... Nah, I would have kept wilding.

I ain't going to lie. I'm glad that they stopped me because if not, I would have been a body or somebody would have been, like, I would have been a body or somebody would have been a body. And that would have been worse. I would have been in prison or I would have been dead. Because the way I was going with a gun, I did not care about life.

I just, I felt like, I felt like I was him. I feel like I said, nobody could do nothing to me. So I needed them to stop me. And they definitely stopped me for a little, long-ass time and that shit sat me on my ass like I'm chilling now I'm chilling now I'm chilling why did you need the gun what was a gun for it was really for protection it was for protection pretty much because one like I said I started the robberies I started doing robberies and shit and then I ended up coming across the gun for the low and then I was also dressing very flying

like I sent on from Harlem so they like to test you a lot in Harlem so you got to be with the shit so it was to the point where I ain't going to lie I started taking a train with jewelry. I started wearing good Nike tech outfits, good Jordans. And people were dead ass try to look at me and try to rob me because I don't know what it is with these young niggas in Harlem or whatever with these young kids. They want to rob you for real. So I always, I'd be on point.

I'd be hearing stuff. So it's like I know they be plodding. And it was one point in time they was trying to plot on me. But I had it on me. So I'm like, oh, yeah, I want you out to try me today pretty much. Like I want you to. But I was ready for my protection because I was wearing jewelry and shit. So it was like I know people's going to test me.

So you get arrested. Where do they bring you? Once I get arrested at poor authority, I basically got transferred to so many precincts because, like I said, I was on the news. So they was trying to catch me on the blogs and all that for their little reports or whatever. So I had to get snucking out of the priests of the precinct.

I started basically at poor authority precinct. I don't know what precinct that is, but it's poor authority precinct. I started there. From there, I waited a couple hours, whatever, because I got hit with a trespassing shit because I couldn't basically the train

it was no way to pay for your metro car right there at the little exit I went through there was no way to pay for your metro car whatever it was a turnstile that goes around you can't get through that shit without a metro car so the emergency door was open I seen the opportunity I took that shit

and that's when they came behind me arrested me for just that the trespassing but then an eye card pull up and then I didn't know what an eye card was at the time and they told me that's like an investigation card or whatever that I'm basically on the investigation.

So it was like, yo, if these officers don't come pick you up, then we're going to take you to coin, they're going to release you or whatever. But if they pick you up, then you got to go through whatever you got to go through. So I'm like, damn, I already know what they're going to pick me up for. I already knew what the ID card was for, obviously, because I know I was on the news. I'm like, damn, don't tell me they that nice with their shit. Like, they're nice with their technology. I didn't know they was that nice.

I underestimated them at that time. So next thing you know, they took me to the poor authority precinct. They actually came and picked me up those detectives from some precinct. I don't even know where that precinct was at. It was like somewhere on 86th Street on the east side, somewhere like that. They took me to that precinct. And then from there, they took me to a whole other precinct past Central Park or whatever. And then that's when like after the Central Park,

they took me to the bookings and all that's when life just begun i knew it was over what do they end of charging you with they ended up charging me with first it was really they was charging me with some burglary shit because they were trying to hit me with my co-defendant charge pretty much because he was really like skied up pretty much but like they had a little confusion in court where they tried to blame me for his shit pretty much and i found out at the end of the bid that i actually copped out to his bullshit and i didn't even know that to the end like when i went to parole they told me and i was so fucking mad. I'm like, yo, the whole time, y'all saying I did this and that, because the whole time I had a public defender, like, I had a free lawyer or whatever. So they don't really help you

type shit. So they just wanted me to cop out fast. They was like, yo, if you don't cop out right now, then you and your co-defendant, yeah, time's going to come together. I'm like, what time together? That niggas face it, man. Tom, fuck that shit. I don't really fuck with this nigga like that. Like, I only knew him for a short amount of time. That's not my man's, for real. Like, I ain't going to tell on him or nothing, but I'm not taking time. time with that man. I'm going to take my own time and you have to do what y'all want to do with him. So I was like, all right, let's cop out to the three and a half or whatever. And I caught out to the three and a half. But I caught that to robbery in the second degree, which was one of

my charges. Like I had like at least seven charges. But I caught out to robbery in the second degree, which was that motherfucker's charge. So that's how that went. Did they offer you a deal to cooperate against him for less time? Yeah, they did. They definitely did. They tried that. Yeah. How much time would you have gotten? Nah, they ain't, they ain't tell me about no time, for real. I don't think they, I think they try to tell me I would have went home. Yeah, they try to tell me I would have went home. Facts.

They say, yo, if you give us a drop one in my eye, we could send you home. I'm like, nah, I don't know nothing about that man, because I swear to God, I don't know nothing about that man, for real. Like, I don't know nothing about him. Like, he's not my friend. Like, the other guy that's my co-defendant, that was my man's. But he introduced me to him. That's really his man's.

So I just knowing it for a short amount of time because we've been getting money, but that's not my man's. Like, I don't owe him no nothing, no loyalty, no nothing. But I ain't telling him no nothing. He ain't telling me. I mean, I don't know.

One of them did. One of them told he didn't get no time. He ain't get no time. But me and my co-defendant, we definitely did time. He did way more time than me, though. What was the first conversation like with your mom and your dad when you're locked up? It took me a couple months to contact my mom.

Like, at first, because obviously he was on the news or whatever, everybody already knew I was in jail But the way I took it I took it as I need to just hold it down Like let me figure this out in here Because like I don't know I'm about to do some serious time

And I need to figure out how this prison jail stuff Really works So I had to really focus up And just program my mind into just jail And just focus on jail I ain't really contact family like that People try to visit me like my first day Like my babe mom something

That should try to visit me my first day But I wasn't enrolled in the sister Yeah, it took me like three days to get out of new admission. They was playing with me. So it was like, it took a minute for a lot of stuff. But basically with my mom, when I finally did call her, it was, I don't even remember how that went for real. But I just know she wasn't happy at all. I know my father wasn't happy at all.

None of them was happy for real. I don't know how the first convo went because I went through so much within five years. So it's like, I can't even remember the first convo for real. Why didn't they give you bail? They did. It was too much for them at the time, pretty much. It was on 50,000 over 30,000. It wasn't even that much for, like, to me.

But to the streets, it was a lot, I guess. Now, this is the first time you've ever been arrested in your life? No, it wasn't my first time. My first time, I've been arrested multiple times. My first time going to Rikers was when I was 15 years old, and I wasn't even supposed to be in Rikers. I was turning 16 in like a month, but I wasn't supposed to be in Rakers at 15 years old.

And I even got scratch. I'm not going to say cut. I got scratch in Rikers. What was that for? That was for no reason. I don't know what was that for. I don't know if he was joining a gang or some, but that was for no reason.

But that charge, why do you even end up there? That was for a fight basically, like an assault fight, pretty much. I ended up there for an assault. Did that stay on your record? No, that was a misdemeanor. Okay. It just, I don't know why. Every time I go to jail, they just want to send me straight to jail.

Like, they don't even want to let me go. They just jail, jail, jail. Like, they didn't get me no chance. I've seen people get a thousand chances. Worst crimes than me. You know how many people I met upstate with? 200 charges. Like, they got, like, they want to jail 200 times or whatever, and they still get chances.

Me, I go to jail one time, no chance. Second time, no chance. I don't get no chances. I don't know why. How long do you wait for your case to pan out? to be honest with this one, I waited like, with the five years, I waited basically like, I'm gonna say eight months.

And where do they have you? I was, I started in the tombs, which is in my hand pretty much, my house, which was like, it wasn't a bad building. It was close to home pretty much. It was in my hand pretty much. So it was close to Harlem.

It makes you feel at home. Even though you're not at home, it just makes you feel like better. type shit. It makes you feel better. But then within my four months, I got sent to Rikas because I got caught with a ski mask and a Nike tech. So he thought I was

trying to escape because I was working law library. So my, what you call it? She was basically my boss, but she's a correction officer. She was my boss because I worked at Law Library or whatever. So I came with a big bag. I was trying to sell the clothes for real. So I didn't think she was going to check it.

And she actually checked it. Out of all days, she finally wanted to check my bag. She's like, what you got in that bag, Jimenez? I'm like, nothing. Just clothes. She's like, let me see. Man, she found a whole black Nike tech outfit or black ski mask. And like, I was about escape.

And you know how I got that? Because I was working on, I was basically working, like, I was cleaning properties pretty much, like the property room, whatever. Like, when people get booked and process, like, I could get access to their property pretty much. So I was stealing their clothes, their jewelry, whatever I could come up with. I was taking it and I was coming back to the house with that. Like I was coming back with Jordan, Ugg boots. I was probably, I'm not going to lie, I was one of the flyers persons in that my house.

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You got to stay in the house with it. But then when it's time for them to bliss the house, it's over. They're taking that shit. So you get caught. They send you to Rikers. What's Rikers like? Rikers is crazy. Rikers is, when I went there, it was dark.

So it gives you that little spooky vibes. So we're going on the bus and it's taking you on the little, you know, that little one-way bridge. We get there. I'm going to O boy. I'm going to OBCC or whatever. by the time I get there, it's like an alarm, it's a red dot. So we couldn't get in the building. So I'm like, the fuck is a red dot.

Like, I'm wondering what's really going on because, like, I've been to Regas before, but I was young and I didn't know what was going on because I was only there for a week. So it was like I was young and I got belted out. But this time, it was like I was learning everything. So I'm like, what's a red dot? So I'm thinking we're going to go in. It took like four hours to get in the building because so many red dots kept happening back to back to back. And I'm like, damn, they throw me in the fucking jungle.

And that's exactly what they threw me. They threw me in the jungle because old boy, they was wilding over there. They called old boy, only blus could come. That's what O bCC stand for. Only blus can't come. That's what that gel stand for pretty much. That was a wild gel. But they sent me to that building.

From there on out, I was an intake. And they took me to my house. They took me to too low. Too lower. I was in too low. That's the dorm I was in. And that's when my little journey begun, I started getting the job again at Lower Library there too.

Like, after I got kicked out the tombs, I got a job there too at the island. I got a job at Law Library and sanitation. And I'm not going to lie. They was paying decent for a jail person, feel of me? They was paying decent. They was giving me like $125 weekly. Really?

Yeah. For a gel person, that's not bad. No, that's not bad at all. Come on. That's a direct deposit. You open your phone on Fridays. You check your account and it's a deposit. Like, come on.

You can't get paid more than $125, though. So let's say sanitation paid me $80. Let's say I work the kitchen too. The kitchen pays $50. I'm going over the limit pretty much. So you're not going to give me the whole thing. They're just going to give me the $125. I can have two or three jobs, but I'm going to get $125.

They're not going no higher than that. So I had multiple jobs in there, too. I was keeping my time busy pretty much. What were you like at Rikers, where you're getting into fights, getting into trouble. Me and Rikers, I was basically always working, always working, pretty much. It was times where it was like I had to get in fights pretty much. I had to prove myself, like, you got to prove yourself in the phones and all that.

Like, you got to fight for your life sometimes. And I'm not going to lie, I ain't nobody coming to help you. COs is not helping you. Give us one of those situations. Like, I ain't going to lie. I've seen a CO quit on the spot. I ain't going to lie in the tombs. a seal quit on the spot because I was in 80s

and an 8 West, which was the blood house. I'm in the working house. 8 West is the blood house. Mad bloods in there. So they over there beating the shit out of an inmate. I don't know what for. He was probably cripp or something, but they killed them.

Like, it was like the whole dorm. Like, it was probably like 20 people on him. The CEO was like Chinese. So he quit on the spot. Like he left the post and all that. So imagine how bad it was killing him. And by the time help comes, you might be dead. I'm not going loud because police take forever in Rake's

like they're not coming to help you that fast. They take up to 10 to 15 minutes. So you better fight for your life. You've got to fight for your life. So that's the scary part about it. Ain't nobody helping me. You better hope your nuts hang like that. Your nuts got to hang. So you end up coping out to five years? No, I copped out to three and a half years. Plus eight months or? No, I caught out to three and a half years and I got sentenced extra years while I got incarcerated. So it would have been three and a half minus the eight months you already did?

Nah, it was, well, basically, yeah. If you didn't get in trouble. That time counted pretty much. Yeah, that's how I'm counting it. Yeah. All right. It would have been three years pretty much that I would have dead out of that time. I was supposed to go home 2021 January, but it ain't happened.

So you cop out and where do they send you first? When I coped out, they sent me, I once I cop out, I go upstate probably. a week later. That was my last visit. My mom came to see me for a birthday, September 5th. And a couple hours, I got shipped upstate. They told me, like, I just went a commissary super heavy. I just spent, like, $200 in commissary.

So you know how mad I was when they told me I'm going upstate? And I had to give all that shit to these bum-ass niggas. Oh, they don't let you transfer. No, they don't let you transfer that shit. Whatever you got, you better leave that shit. So I had to give all my shit. I thought I just spent the bag. I got to give my shit out of everybody.

People are fucking or whatever. But it's like, damn, that hurt. But once they told me I was going upstate, I went upstate, whatever. I got transferred from, oh boy, whatever. They took us to the four building. From the four building, we was waiting for the upstate bus to come get us. So from there on out, they give you a speech before you go upstate. And they'd be like, all the games that was going on in Rakers Island, leave that shit right here.

Because upstate is a whole different ballgame. That's exactly what they tell you. Before you get on that bus to get upstate, don't play no games when you get upstate. They're a different ballgame. That's what they tell you. So they finally send me upstate. The first spot I get to is Oster.

Oster is like a reception spot. I get there, like two and a half hours away from New York City, from Rikers or whatever. So I get there, stay there for like two, three months. Then I finally get drafted to my first spot, and they send me to the worst fucking meet. medium you could think of. They send me to green correctional facility.

And that's, that's damn near Rikers Island. I'm like, yo, how y'all want me to do my bid peacefully? If y'all sending me to the jungle, you're putting me in position to basically do what I don't want to do. Like, I'm not a violent person, but it's like, yeah, I put in me in places where I got to show myself. Like, you got to show yourself. And green, it was like way worse than Rikers. I don't know why. It was just way worse.

Like, it's more like, it's no cameras upstate. So it's like people's cutting all day up there. They cut in all day. Like you can get cut like nothing. And green, that's like they just playing razor tag all day. So they sent me to green and that's where I caught my charge. Like I told you, I got scratched when I went to jail when I was 15 years old. So when I did go back for my little five years or whatever, when I ended up in green

correction facility, guess who I found? I found the guy that scratched me. So from day on out, I scratched them too. but I ain't scratch him. I cut the shit out of him. So when I cut him, well, he was game banging too. That's the crazy part. Because at that time, I guess he was joining the gang

where he did to me. I wasn't game banging or nothing. My whole bid, I was just $5.50 the whole time. So I guess he joined the gang at that time. But he never went home. He was in jail for an attempt, murder, or whatever. They gave him, like, probably eight years or whatever. So I'm 15.

I went to jail like four years later. He's at the end of his bid. So I catch up to him I'll finally see him I'm like oh that's this motherfucking right here And I ended up telling my friends Whatever they're like yeah we gotta take him too

He's a plate I'm like what you mean why They like yeah he crib I'm like word I'm like now but this is personal I need him like feel me I need him And they was like I do what you gotta do first And so I cut him first whatever

badly Then next thing you know he got cut two other times Like my friends Both my other friends They cut him right after pretty much Because they both blood And they got to take him Whatever to prove they self

whatever. So we just had a good razor tag. So when he got cut, he took it on the hot, basically. Like, he just accepted the fact that he got cut. So we're going into the mess hole before we get, like when we got cut is before we get inside the mess hole. So nobody seemed it. So we get into the mess hole finally. And in the mess hall, they got, you know, the little inmates giving the food and all. And they got one CO looking at the food always. That CO was focused on the food that day. I don't know why. It was hot dogs and tatat toss that day. He was super focused on the food to the point where he never looked up

to the point to see that this guy has so much blood coming down his face to report it. So he never looked up. So this guy got his food and all that, the guy that cut whatever, he got his food, hot dog tatatatats. We sat with him at the same table because the SEALs place you at a certain table.

They got to sit at a certain rotation. However your table, your little dorm, your house sit, you got to sit the same way. So we ended up at the same table with him. he bleeding OD in front of us and like we tight we even landed in front of him so we like yo grab the bun

to the hot dogs and we like yo clean your fucking face bro like you bleedin oh D and you making it high so he's like I got you so he started cleaning his face with the hot dog bun and he really like he started doing it so next thing you know we finally get up it's time to get up it's time to go back to the dorm

because they give you like a little time limit to eat they'd be rushing you on some army shit they rush you, you get up, you got to show your spoon when you leave. When you're showing your spoon to the CO when you leave, that's when they noticed that he got his face cut up. So that's when they threw him on the wall, started beating him up. They just beat people up for no reason.

It was no reason to beat him up. He's the one that got cut. They beat the shit out of him until he snitched and he snitched on us. And that's how I got caught with the extra one and a half for three years. So I got sentenced again while I was incarcerated. When I got sent to the box for six months. What did you use to cut him? I had three weapons on me.

I don't even remember which one I cut them with. I had three of them. I had a plexiglass. I got the report. I got it on my ticket. I got caught with three weapons. I got a plexiglass. It was probably like three and a half inches.

I got caught with a pin cap with a razor taped to it. The other one was another pin cap with a plexiglass taped to it. So those was the three I had. I don't remember which one I used specifically. It wasn't a pexyglass. That's for sure, but it was one of the other two. I don't know which one I used for sure because I threw it back in my little stash.

I had a stash in my little in my state pants. I made one with my nail clippers. I just opened up a hole in my state pants. I just threw it in my little pocket. And so whenever I get searched, they're not finding that, but I was getting strip search. So you know you find in that.

How are you not going to find something in my pants? I'm getting strip search. So I had to tell them, like, they gave me the opportunity to be like, yo, after he snitched or whatever, they caught me, whatever. They arrested me. the two guys or whatever.

So we already knew he snitched. We already knew what's up. They was beating the shit out of him. They beat the shit out of the other guy that cut him with me. They even broke his tooth. But me, they ain't go crazy with me because I don't bug out. I just go with the flow. Like, I'm a guy that just go with the flow.

Like, this is not that serious to me. It's just prison. That's how I was looking at it. It's just prison. This can't be that serious. But then it did get serious. I didn't think I could get hit with more years for little weapons. Bullshit-ass little weapons.

I didn't think they was going to. go so hard for that shit. So that's when I knew this shit wasn't a joke. I'm like, oh yeah, I'm not touching no more weapons for the rest of my bed. I ain't touch no more weapons. When you guys slash or cut someone, is your intention to kill them or is it just to leave a mark so they remember that they wronged you? What's the intention behind that?

It'd be to leave a mark, sometimes leave a message. It all depends on who it's for, and it all depends pretty much. It all depends. Because a lot of people got it the worst. A lot of people get it late. It all depends on the situation pretty much. So this guy specifically. I don't think it really beats a kill for real.

I just think it just be to send a message. That's how it be for real. And I've seen a lot of messages getting sent a lot. Like, I swear to God, a lot. You feel it while you're sleeping. Like, you know, like something's happening when you sleep when your heart just start racing. You're like, damn, what the fuck going on? You wake up and you just see somebody getting shot.

That's what they're calling in jail. Somebody getting a shot. That's the language they use. So with this prison being so bad, what was the box like? So I upstate, they got two different box. They got a small box, which is a little box in the back of the gel, whatever. That got probably like 30 sales, tops. And then they got another box that's called a shoe 200.

That got a lot of sales. That's like the big box pretty much. So the difference between the old box is the little box. It got no cameras at all. So they could starve you to death in there There's no cameras And the time I was there There was no body cameras

So imagine the corruption That was really going on So they were starve you to death in there They catch you talking They spraying you with water holes and shit Like they was on some real racist shit up there I don't know why they were so mad at us But they just hated inmates for real

Like I don't know why Would you get sprayed? Nah Because I was I was so chilled Like I was chill Like sometimes I would definitely scream on my window

and try to get other people's attention, but I ain't get sprayed, thank God. They tried to, but it's like, I'll play it off. I'll play it off in 48th. And be like, nah, that wasn't me. But they'd be like, you don't want anyone that talks Spanish on this tier. Because sometimes I'll be talking to the Spanish guy, probably across the window. I'm like, nah, you can't judge me based off my name and shit.

This white guy probably no Spanish too. You can't just say that. That's probably him screaming out. You can't blame me. So he's like, I know, is you. If I catch you again, you're not going to eat later. I'm like, I bet. I started screaming.

because he, I'm trying to get, like, I forgot if he was trying to get advice for me, or if I was trying to get advice from him. But no matter what, it was a good combo. And at that time, I lost my girls. I was heartbroken. I needed somebody to talk to. Like, I just lost my girl. I went to the box.

I can't get no phone calls. I don't know what's going on. I know she's getting dogged crazy. So it was like, yeah, I'm heartbroken. I'm in the box. I need somebody to talk to. So that's how that was. So the little box, basically you can't do a lot of things that you were doing the big box.

In the big box, there's camera. There's cameras and the seals have to actually feed you because there's cameras watching. So anything, you just write it to Albany, be like, yeah, they ain't feed me at this time, whatever. They will investigate that OSI or whatever. So the little box, the big box, big difference. A big box, you get away with screaming and stuff like that, they can't starve you. And the big box, you fishing, you can fish too. I don't know if you ever heard of fishing.

Yeah, of course, yeah. Yeah, so they got that shit. I learned that shit in green too. I don't know what the fuck that was. I'm in the box just seeing mad shit flying. I'm like, what the fuck is all that shit flying? Why they got everything flying for like in big ass pose and shit? I'm seeing some go super far, some not make it at far.

And I'm like what they got going on. Then I'm seeing them connect. I'm seeing pussy books go in the air. Wait, what's a pussy book? That's the magazine right there. That's what you call your shorthy. That's your girl in jail. Like, like, when you need a pussy book, you pull up on the bro and you be like,

yo, bro, let me get one of the girls. I was like, feel me, let me see one of the bitches. Because that's basically the bitches. So it was like a pussy book is one of the bitches pretty much. That's one of those things that keep you healthy in jail. Like it keeps you your mind right. So a lot of people will share pussy books and shit all the day. So they'll share that.

Sentence to each other. They'll send each other drugs. They'll send each other fire through the things, through the lawns. There was a whole lot of fishing going on. And eventually I learned how to fish. And I was a pro with that shit. I was fishing for everything. I'm like, yeah, hallo.

Let me get that. Yeah. It was crazy. What's the worst thing you witnessed a guard due to an inmate at that prison? All right.

So it was something similar to what they did to my friend's father, what they did to Robert Brooks, rest and peace. It was something similar to what they did to him.

I don't see a lot of my friends go missing, like missing because in Marcy, correctional facility where I was at,

that was the last prison I was in and that jail specifically, they're super hands-on. Like, if you're on the phone, like that jail is

so, small, they listen to your phone calls. So any little thing that's going on, you're going to get beat up by Farina. Anthony Farina that just got sent this to 22 years. He's the gang leader pretty much. Like, he's gang intel, drug and force. He's a drill team leader.

Like, he's super corrupt. Like, he's super hands-on. So I don't seen him beating the shit out of people. But it's like everything they do is hidden pretty much. Sometimes you'll catch a little bit. But you don't know what happens after. Because everything is so disclosed.

you don't know what's going on because they'll take him to the gym beat the shit out of him in the gym might take him to the infirmary beat the shit him over there because they beat you up it don't matter

if you're going from the infirmary to the gym to the van they're beating you up at all stops like they just really I don't know they're bored they just want to fight you all day

I don't know why that shit's annoying like any type of red dot they pull up their ready hands on they just want to come in the upper cup people like so it's like to that point where it's like some people don't even want to

fight because they know they got to fight a regular person, then they got to fight a CO right after. Like, I ain't going on out. One of my friends, he fought 12 COs in Marcy Correctional City. You could look that up. He fought at least 12 COs by himself in the bathroom. 12 COs kept coming up to him. He just beat up badly.

But then eventually he got beat up bad. He got sent to the hospital. But a lot of my friends, they could tell you that they got beat badly. Like, they told me they never been beat the way they've been beat in their life the way Like in jail, like you're handcuffed. So they got beat baddy handcuffed. In the streets, you get beat, baddy jumped. But they told me...

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It's not like how it was when they get be in jail pretty much. Like in jail is worse. Why do you think these guards are so vicious there? I don't know. You got to think about it like this. They're all coworkers. They're all friends. They're families sometimes.

They're a small town. And I have those correction offices all families. So you got to think about it like this. They're sticking together. One, there's no cameras. They could do whatever they want. That's their world. Who's going to tell them what to do?

They could do whatever they want. So you know a lot of people that could do whatever they want is going to take advantage. Why would they not take advantage? So they was just taking advantage. But I don't know why were they so mad for because it could be any little thing. They was really mad. Like they really punch you and beat you for any little thing for real. Like anything, I swear to God, anything.

It don't matter what is for. It don't matter what it's for. They just got a lot of hate in their body. They just races up there. I don't know. Because it's crazy. I ain't going to lie. It's to the point where some black officers are even super racist.

It's to the point where you try to say, yo, you're supposed to be my brother. You're supposed to help me. I'm not your brother. I'm French Canadian. I'm like, oh, what you mean, French Canadian? You're not French Canadian? Like, it's to that type of point.

Like, they're racist up there. They got these officers programmed on some other shit up there. On some other shit. Who was raising your kid while you're in prison? My babe mom pretty much, her and her mother and my mom sometimes when she could. And yeah, we just support as much as we could when it's possible. Did you feel bad that you were in there? Very.

But I didn't expect it to be that long. I ain't expected to be that long. I swear to God. I expected it to be a short amount of time. So you end up getting charged for the, the stabbing or the slashing. Yeah, for the cutting. I didn't get charged for the cutting because it was like a negotiation between me and the

CO. He was like, yo, I'm about a strip search you. Let me know if you got anything on you right now. Because if I catch you with something on you right now, I'm going to beat the shit out you. But if you let me know right now, if you got any weapons on you, whatever, you can get hit with either one, the cutting or two, the weapons. So I'm like, fuck it.

I got the three weapons right here. I just told him because at the end of day he's going to find it. So why would I not sit here and just tell him where the damn weapons is that on my possessions. I'm like, it only even matter. I'm a snitch on myself. It don't matter. I'm going to get less time.

Shit, fuck it. Because for the cutting, I would have got two to four years. For the weapons, I got one and a half for three years. So when you're charged with that, do they send you back to Rikers? Nah, because it was upstate.

I was in green. So they sent me to the box for six months. They send me all the way to upstate by Canada. That's upstate box by Canada. That shit's so far. Like, that shit's far. For them, that trip is 14 hours. For a regular person,

it's supposed to be eight hours. eight, nine hours tops. But for them, they milk it. And they make sure it's a 14-hour trip. So they took me to the top of the world. Like, it's so cold up there. Like, that shit makes you cry once you step out the building. Like, it's brick up there.

And do you go to court out there? So look, it was like this. They basically sent me to the box for six months. I got out the box. They sent me to Franklin right across the street. I'm over here thinking after six long-ass months of being stuck in a cell. I could finally get a good view of life. but they're talking about they go and send me across the street

what the fuck I'm gonna see within five minutes I'm not gonna see nothing I want to go on a trip go all the way down back down state or whatever like going a five hour trip or six hour trip they put me on a little ass bus where you can't see shit you gotta stand up to try to see shit and then it's like it's five minutes away

what am I seeing the next gels because it's three other gels so it's like what am I seeing I was tight so once they put me in Franklin which is super far they put me there and I was turning 21. I was 20 years old. I was turning 21. They sent me to Franklin or whatever. I'm there.

They're talking about, yo, Jimenez. I'm like, what's up? They're like, yeah, you got to go to the ID room. I'm like, ID room for what? I got an ID. I don't need an ID. They're like, I don't know. You got to go. So I went down to the draft room to the ID room or whatever. They're like, yo, you got a court trip. What's your clothes size? Whatever, whatever? I'm like, court trip. Once they said court trip, I'm like, nah, don't tell me. They're not. Don't tell me. I hate that ass about this. I'm hoping there's some other shit. I'm hoping it's child support.

I'm hoping it's some other shit. I'm like, nah, don't tell me they're dead ass about these weapons. And the next thing, you know, they don't really tell you where you're going until, like, you're going there because of security reasons. Let's say they tell me the same day where I'm going. I could get on the phone, be like, yeah, I'm going to green or whatever. Yo, hit the bus or whatever. I'm leaving at this time because it's programmed as a certain time to jail.

So it's like, we know what time buses is leaving. We know what time draft is. it all depends on where you're going and stuff like that like you know the program at a certain amount of time so yeah so they charge you and how long does it take to like settle that case it took it took probably

I had to go back and forth to that same jail I caught the casing in green I had to go back and forth from Franklin to green I'm most likely went two times because one like I said the trip they make it a 14 hour trip who's trying to be shackled to their stomach, their legs,

and they, you like this the whole time. Who's trying to be shackled like that the whole time for 14 hours? They're putting you through diesel therapy. Exactly. So it's like, and then they really sit there and like they'll park somewhere

and just chill. Like we got time to chill. Like we want to get to our jail and shit. So it was like, I went back and forth two times at least because I didn't want to keep going back and forth. I'm like, I'm going to just cop out. And at the end of the day,

I knew I was guilty. I already knew how they was playing. And I was just like the, the least, I get is one and a half of three. So I'm like, fuck it. Let me just get it. So I went to second time.

Like the first time I went, heard the offer, I'm like, damn, I wanted something less. And there's like, that's too much. Like, after my three and a half, one and a half of three on top of that, that's too much. So I ended up taking it the second time because I didn't want to keep coming back to green back and forth. I want to stay in my jail. I didn't want to keep going on these court trips because you meet a whole lot of random people. There's a whole lot of random shit going on, and I don't got time for that.

So I copped out the second time. and they gave me the extra one half for three years. And yeah, it took probably like, I could say, it ain't take that long. It took a couple months, probably like six months, I'll say. At that point, how much time did you have left in your sentence from the first bid? Let me see, I caught that.

So that was like 2019. I got out the box, I got out the box 2019. I got out around June because this was around my birthday. So July, I got. since the core July, so yeah, around July pretty much of 2019, around that time, pretty much. That's what I remember. It was around that time.

So once you cop out, you get the extra time, where do you go from there? From there, basically, back to green. Oh, they keep you at green? For a little bit until they're ready to ship you back to Franklin. But it's like I wasn't supposed to be in green. What they're doing is crazy because, one, the person that we cut, One is gang affiliator. You're not supposed to go back to that jail because one, let's say something happens to my safety

because I'm not supposed to be in that jail. They got me in a reception the whole time. Not a regular dorm. They got me in reception because I'm only there on a court trip. So anything could happen on the walkway. People could remember me. People might want to retaliate for him or whatever. So that could have been a crazy lawsuit.

But ain't nobody tried to test me on that because I was definitely holding my own. So once they did that, they sent me back to Green or whatever, still there for probably a couple days, wait for my transfer back to Franklin. And I went back to Franklin. I just stood back over it and I just had to wait for my competition sheet to see how much more time was I really facing. Because, yeah, they'll tell you the one and a half a three,

but you don't know how much more time you're really facing until you actually get your paperwork. So I had to wait for that in the mail. And then I was like, oh, this is not as bad as I've seen. It made a scene. Like, I thought it was going to be way worse for real. But it was bad no matter what. But I thought it was going to be way worse.

Did that situation change your mindset in prison? It did. I'm not going on. I was on some. I'm not touching no more weapons pretty much. I'm like, whatever I got to do, I'm going to just straight violate with my hands. That's the type of time I was on because you had to watch out for officers in Morrissey. They was basically like planning weapons on you and stuff like that.

So it's like, imagine me getting caught with another weapon. You know how much more time I'm going to get? Like, come on. I don't want to live in jail for the rest of my life. I'm trying to get home. It's really true what they say. It's easy to get into jail and it's hard to get out. It's true what they say.

Because it was hard as fuck for me to get out. It took years for me to get out. I'm supposed to get three and a half years, at least three tops. Next thing, you know, I'm doing a whole five. Like, come on. That's crazy. You know how much that hurt my family and it hurt me? I'm over here hoping they made a mistake and let me go that day

that I'm supposed to go home within the three years. They make no mistake. They kept me there for the rest of them. my time. What was the rest of your prison sentence like? It was I was basically like a kingpin. I'm not going to lie. I was a kingpin, bro. Because I got put on to, um, like smuggling drugs pretty much. So it's like I was a kingpin, bro. I was living life. I'm not going to lie. Smuggling drugs into the prison. Yeah. Yeah, I was making a lot of money. I'm not going to allow to you, bro. How does that work? That works. Cash app. Well, yeah,

The cash up, because the cash shop came a little late, but it started with Western Union. It started with probably meeting each other in the streets. It started with that type of stuff. At first, when I first started my bid, I just started smoking K2. I ain't going to lie. I started smoking. I ain't going to lie. That's why you can't remember anything right now.

First of all, I'm not going to lie, bro. Every real gangster or whatever they want to call themselves, even all these gang members and stuff, everybody smokes K2 upstate. I don't care what nobody say. People's going to try to sit here and say that some crack at shit, but I don't care. Like a lot of people, you'll be surprised who's doing it. You'll really be surprising. You'll be surprised what they'll do for it.

I swear to God, like me having drugs, I realize the power I had against everybody. Like, a lot of people would do anything for you. I felt like the president. I swear to God, it was to the point where I had a drill team. I had a team of people that if I tell them to do this and do that, they're going to do it. That's how good.

it was. I had it good. I'm not going to lie. But how do you get it in through the guards? But now, I don't know. I got it in through girls. Like, I had girls come visit me and stuff like that and either swallow, swallow a couple of Eminem balls or whatever or I'll probably boof it. I ain't like boofing it. I ain't going to lie. How do you boof it in the visit, though? Shit, you got to be sneaky because I,

it all depends on which COs is it. You got to know if they're party time or not. Like, you might know this CO's a good person. He don't pay mine that much. He don't care or you might know this see over here he's a super dicker so you got to be on point with him like you got to watch out for him he'd be on everything like watching so it's like it all depends on the situation and that you're in and the predicament you're in pretty much you got to watch your surroundings me i ain't like that shit because that's too much movement you got to go behind

and do too much you got to go in front of you do too much that's too much me i was with the um just swallow pretty much i was with the swallowing emm and m&M bowl is pretty much put in and chocolate milk and I would just drink it the whole time and I just shit that shit out later and I just start digging my shit and then I just started prepping up my money and I just started going crazy in the yard. So an Eminem ball doesn't dissolve in your stomach or anything? Like it melted in? I think it did at one point of time probably.

It depends how many days it's there for. How do you put the drugs in an Eminem? It's not really Eminem. It's like an Eminem size. Oh, okay. So it's like basically just rubber band. I mean, gloves, you just dumping it in a glove and you just tying it up and they eminem size pretty much. They can't be too big because you don't want to choke.

So you got to make them good size, but you got to stuff each one of them. And I ain't going on. I got caught. I got caught. I got caught. I ain't get caught. Shorty got caught. Her dumb ass. She got caught. I ain't get caught. You know, she probably got caught. But we had one of the sergeants that worked as the investigator. He would go to different prisons. Yeah. He was telling us stories about all the women he caught.

in the visiting room smuggling in drugs. Oh, that he definitely was. And trust me. I know who it was because he was against me. And Marcy, my counselor was Fowler. Shit. Officer. I mean, he was an office at one point in time, but he was my counselor.

And he was trying to make sure I was doing bad. Like, he didn't want me to go home for nothing. He was writing me more tickets than the COs was. Like, he didn't want me to go home for nothing. He was trying to send me to the box any chance he could. And he's my counselor. He's supposed to help me go. go home and say he's listened to my phone calls and giving me tickets for three-way calls.

He's trying to add everything to a tier three tickets. I can go to the box and suffer because he never caught me with drugs. Like, yes, I'd tell him, yeah, I'm high. So what? Because he sees how chinky my eyes always is. And I'm not going to see here and lie. Like, yeah, I'm high. So what, what you want to do?

Because I know I don't got it on me. So me, I'm a person, like, I'm just ignorant. Like, I don't care for real. Like, I'm going to tell you what it is. Like, I'm truthful. I'm going to tell you what is. I don't care who you are. I'm gonna tell you, yeah, I got drugs.

Like, I'm smoking, yeah, what you want to do? Like, you can't do nothing because I don't got nothing on me. So how do the women bring it in, like, in their mouth, the balls and then kiss you and give it to it? Nah, see, at one point in time, he was able to kiss. But then during COVID, you wasn't able to kiss no more. So that was out the picture. You couldn't kiss no more. So you had to figure it out, like, through chips, you had to, like, I, so let's say she'll put in her brawls or whatever,

or maybe in her panties or all the pens, and she'll go into the bathroom. take it all out and then come back to the table like nothing and then she just start throwing them in there and whatever you just got to start fishing and just start swallowing as much as you cut and hopefully you get all of them by the time the visit floors off you got six hours i think it's six hours six to eight hours they even get everything you could like you got to attempt as much as you could get everything man like you don't want to leave nothing nothing going on things inmates will do for drugs yeah i i i think i was ever going to be that type of person or even go through that type of shit. But my friend, he put me on. And I'm kind of grateful that he actually put me on

because I was living great after that. What's the incentive for these women to smuggling the drugs risk their freedom? You know, what are they doing for you? To me honest, that specific person, she was just getting, she was holding my money. She was just seeing the whole amount of transactions is going crazy. And you trust her? Yeah, I did. I ain't going to lie. And do you give her a cut? Sometimes. So she's risking her freedom for free? That doesn't make any sense. Yeah, I know she's gonna watch it so I can't say too much.

You ain't giving her dick, you know, what, what's going on? I don't even, see, I don't even do that. Well, you can't even give her. I told you I was him. I was really him. Like, I told you I was really social media famous. Like, it's some people that really looked up to that shit as if I was really a celebrity. So it's like, I'm telling you.

I'm telling you. I'll put you all more later, but this person's going to watch this because she's upset. I'm not going to lie. I'm like Chris Brown. How much money would you say you made? A lot. The most I made is 8,000 in two days. 8,000 two days.

Did you at least leave prison with any of this money? Barely. So what do you spend it on? Shit, shame drugs because it kept going in a drought. It was like a hit and miss every trip. And sometimes I was buying my arrival clothes and whatever. I was buying shit. And I was supporting people from the inside.

I was still taking care of people from the inside. I was trying to pay for people to like to contact me and all life because it was people going through tough times. So it was a lot. I was trying to look for love too. So I was trying to pay for females to contact me, man. I was just violent. What about your kid?

Not a kid too. Did you send money? Yeah, of course. Everybody, that's what I'm saying. I was supporting just everybody out of cover for everybody. Okay. So when do you finally get out? How much time do you end up doing?

When I finally get out? Yeah. I ended up doing the whole five. Well, it was more than five I was supposed to do, but I got out early because, parole accepted me to leave early. I'm shocked.

Yeah. It's because the speech I gave them. It touched them. What did you say? Like what I basically told you, it was like I needed them to stop me pretty much.

If not, it could have been worse. Like, exactly what I told you. I told them that. And they was like, wow, we never heard that before. Like, that you needed this experience pretty much

so it could wake you up. Because I ain't going to lie. Sometimes you really need that experience to wake you up. So it's like, I went through experience so my family don't got to go through that shit. Like, I'm the only one that just went through that experience

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how can you expect to not sell drugs, you know, when you get out months later or even maybe days later? Is that I wasn't never a drug dealer? Never. I never was a person that sell drugs. Like, yeah, when I was a young kid, I tried to sell weed here and there, but I was selling the weed to myself because it's like I wasn't, I'm not a social person like that. I don't really like people.

Like that I don't trust people for real. So it was like I was trying to keep my circle small. So it's like customers was acting broke. They want credit. It was too much going on and I didn't have time for that. So I was buying my own shit and I just stopped. Like, it wasn't getting me nowhere. So in prison, when I had talks with my friends and stuff like that,

I would find mindset on how to get rich because it is easy in jail. We just had talks and we just put out talks into works and it just started working pretty much. So what do you do when you get out? What I do when I get out is like I couldn't do much. I ain't really do much for it because I was on parole. I couldn't do much. I was on some strict parole. Like, I was on level one parole and I was in my hand.

So they was on my body. Like I had curfew. I felt like a kid. I had to be home at 9 o'clock. Like I imagine me on the day or something and it's 845 and I got a speed race out of the day. Like I got to run home, hop the train. Hopefully the train come on time. Try to get home because I ain't going to lie.

Sometimes she'll be there at 9 o'clock on the dot. Maybe 8.58. Like she wasn't playing sometimes 3 in the morning or 4 in the morning. So I ain't have time to really do much when I got out. I just spent time with family that first day. pretty much. And second day, went to parole. And then from there on out, they started sending me to programs and stuff,

started sending me to drug programs to Exodus and stuff like that. Stuff that I didn't need because weed is legalized. So it's like, they waste eight months of my life. And at the end, they told me that, too, at the end. Because they was like, yo, we're not going to reach you at the program until your weed level comes down. I'm like, all right, so we're going to be here forever. I'm going to grow over in this bitch because I'm not going to stop smoking weed. So y'all might as well send me back to Rikers because I ain't

I'm gonna stop, because that shit helps with stress, helps me not commit crimes. It helps me with just, it helps me be a better person. It helps me be smart. Like, that shit doesn't make me dumb. Like other people, it doesn't make me tweak out or just start doing stupid shit. It helps me focus more and not stress all the bullshit that's going on in life because people be violent. So do you think you needed that strictness when you got out?

Do you think that helped you in the long run? It might have been miserable at the time, but do you think it was good for you? No, I don't know I needed to break I needed a break So you don't think you would have gotten yourself Into trouble at all No I wouldn't have

Because the five years in prison Really helped like that right there That was it Like five years is not a joke Like you feel each and every single day Like that's not a joke It's to the point where you feel like You were born there

To the point you're like damn Am I ever going home? It's to that point So it's like That hurt Trust me it hurt It hurt to the point They were, I know for a fact, if I ever do go to jail again, it's not going to be for a

sure amount of time. They already told me that. And the crazy thing is that after I did get released, I did go back to jail. I went back to Rikers again for a week. For what? That's the crazy part. For something I didn't do. They said I stole all my friend's vehicle, and they said I hit him with a brick in the eye.

My friend, it's not my friend no more, though, because he tried to keep me in jail and all that. I was the one that's trying to help him. Did you actually do it or no? That's the crazy part. And that's why I got found not guilty. Eventually, I had enough evidence to prove that it wasn't me. You went to trial? Yeah, they actually, no, I didn't go to trial.

It only lasted a couple months. They kept, they sent me to Rikers because I was on parole and I was fresh out. So it's like the way that case seemed, it seemed crazy. But the way it happened is the guy I was with in a car, he got beat up by my, like, he jumped my other friend, basically. Like, there's a whole long story, but they was fighting. And I had nothing to do with it. All I did was record. All I did was record from inside the car.

So we're in the car with two other guys and the driver. The driver is the one that obviously operates the vehicle, which I suppose he stole. He goes outside. They go outside and jump my other friend, which I know since a kid. That's why I ain't jump in because I know both of them since a kid. So I ain't jump in or whatever. So next thing you know, my friend, the one that's getting jumped, he hits the driver with a crusher, a weed crusher hit him in the eye so his whole eyes start leaking damn they start coming out he

come back to the car his whole eye leaking whatever take him to the hospital so we take him to the hospital he gets mad whatever then we um we took him to the bronx because it happened in hallum we took him to the bronx so so we could get away from the crime scene because we probably knew police is coming or my friend's going to retaliate whatever but it's like i had nothing to do with it at all what i was trying to do was help and drive his car until he comes out the hospital we went to the Bronx. They was asking him a million questions. He came back outside, aggressive. Like, they asked him too much questions. So we went back to Harlem to the crime scene pretty much because Harlem was only two blocks away from the crime scene. So I waited those, like, I waited like two hours for him

to come back out of the hospital, but he ain't never come back. So obviously, I'm holding the car down. I have no license. I'm on parole. I got to go home soon. I'm with two other guys that I don't know. They're his friends. I'm with 16 ounces of weed in the car that's. his. So it's like, I'm just holding it down because I'm a real nigger. I'm a real friend. Like, I'm trying to hold the car down for him until he comes out. And I guess they laced him with something in there to the point where he started writing me messages like, yo, something I did. You got my car stolen or whatever. Because the reason why he did say that is because, look, basically while I'm waiting for him to come out the hospital, I get on the phone.

I started speaking to Spanish to my stepfather because I live right there. two blocks away. I don't live too far from the crime seat pretty much or from the hospital. I live on the same block. But I parked up two blocks away, so on 138. So I park up, I'm speaking to my stepfather. So I go to the house real quick to my mom's house on 135th. I speak to them in Spanish because I got to use the bathroom or whatever. I'm like, yeah, yeah, whatever I'm coming. So those two guys behind me, they don't know Spanish. I drive to in front of my mom's house. It's after two hours, after the crime scene, after the situation, I drive to in front of my mom's house. Once I get inside of my mom's building, guess who comes back? My friend that got jumped,

he comes back with six other guys. They come, take the two guys out the car and beat the shit out of them and made them run. Me, they screamer for me to come healthy. They're like, yo, Nesto, come out. I'm looking back. I'm like, I don't even know these diggins. So why the fuck I'm going to help them? I'm like, let me just go upstairs by my business. I'm going upstairs. I'm on the fifth floor now. I'm on my mom's house. I start looking out the window, try to make sure everything good outside. So the whole block is quiet. I'm like, shit, that's weird.

What the fuck happened? I'm like, maybe they just took it on the hop and they still in the car maybe. So I'm like, let me just go chop it on my mom real quick. And I just keep looking at the window because I'm paranoid. I'm like, damn, what the fuck happened though? Because it happened on some movie shit. Because how did he find us two hours later and retaliate with so many people? So it's like, it happened on some movie shit.

So I looked at the window again. I've seen the ghost as clear. I went back downstairs. Once I went downstairs, it was quiet outside. Like something happened. Like somebody got shot and everybody's just looking around, being quiet.

So I get in the car. Next thing you know, there's nobody in the car. The two guys ran off. I guess they made them run off. So then I'm stuck with the 60 ounces of weed and I'm stuck with the car. No license, like I said.

Now I'm waiting for him to come out the hospital. I roll him a million times. Like, yo, I got your car, blah, blah, blah. So the two guys since they ran off and they basically thought I set him up. They thought I set him up. because like I said, the other guy's my friend, but I'm on the phone in Spanish.

They don't know Spanish. They thought I sent my friend to come with six guys and set them up in front of my mom's house. I didn't do that. I didn't know that was happening. So they told the driver, the owner of the vehicle, like, yo, Nesto set us up. He got the car stolen too.

They took the car and all that. So he raided me from the hospital. Like, yo, suck my dick. You got my car stolen. I'm like, what the fuck? I'm like, what you're talking about? I'm like, oh, I'm in it right now. Like, I'm waiting for you to come out to hospital.

I'm like, yo, bro, I'm on parole. I'm on parole. I got to go home soon. Like, come on, bro, what you're doing? He's like, man, fuck you. You're going to see, blah, blah, blah. Watch, it's left for you. I mean, what's he talking about?

So I'm like, oh, he's laced. Like, I don't know what it is. I don't know if he can't see or they gave him some drugs. I don't know what it was, but he was laced. But I have the car. So I guess he reported it stolen. So I'm having a time of my life. The incident happened like at six.

I get the call by myself like I eight because I said two hours later. So at eight, I'm in the car by myself. That's when I started. learning how to drive. I'm just driving around, learning how to drive, and I'm just start picking up girls. I just start chilling with everybody in one day until he comes out the hospital, feel me? Because I don't got nothing to do. I feel like I was rich that day. I felt like I was him because I got a car. I don't got no license. I wanted to enjoy myself. I want a couple joy rides. Next thing, you know, it's like 5, 50, 6 in the morning. I'm on my way home. I'm two minutes away

from my house. That's when I was living in the Bronx. I'm two minutes away from home. My GP And like I said, my first time in the call, I don't know how to really navigate and go through the highways and shit. So I know I made one wrong turn and I ended up coming out on the same highway and doing the same turn again. Whatever. The police is behind me. I'm bumping some loud music. I'm bumping to my brother Davies. Next thing you know, I'm bumping, but it's like I hear the sirens behind me and I see the lights.

I'm like, nah, it can't be for me. I'm like, it's impossible. I'm like, I'm the only one out here. I'm like, what the fuck? I'm like, let me turn my music down. And I, yo, pull the fuck over. They was aggressive. I'm like, damn, why are you so aggressive?

Next thing, you know, I pulled over. And I don't know where, but it was like, it was, it looked like I was on a show cops because there was so many cops coming out of nowhere. Like, I don't know where they came from on the highway. It was like they was expecting me pretty much. So they finally get me. Me, once they come to the door,

me, like I said, I'm so upfront. It's like, I know what's up. I know the system. So once they come to my door, I'm like, yo, listen, I know I'm guilty. I got no else. I'm on parole. let's just go take me upstate do what you got to do like let's just go with the process me i like

like to go with the process i've been through it so many times it's like let's just go with the process we don't got to over exaggerate we don't got to do too much let's just go to the precinct do our little talk and figure out what i did so i end up asking when they handcuffed me whatever because they started getting aggressive when i started telling them like yo let's go take me up state whatever hey sit and fuck back i'm like yo i'm over here surrendering i'm telling you let's go i'm guilty like what's up i know i'm a parole and all like i'm telling him like everything about Me type shit. So got aggressive or whatever.

Next thing, you know, they handcuffed me. They took me to some priest and over there in the Bronx. While I'm getting walked to the car, though, I asked, I'm like, yo, so why you stop me? He's like, you really want to know? Like, yeah, I want to know. What type of question is that? I told you everything up front once you first came to the car. Like, why you can't be up front with me?

He was like, yeah, the car came back stolen. I'm like, oh, I'm like, my friend stole the car. And he ain't tell me? I thought this was my friend car. That's what I'm thinking in my head. So I'm like, damn, how I'm going to finesse this case? I'm like, I guess I'm going to figure it out with the owner of the car or whatever. So then I get processed or whatever.

They're not telling me too much of the precinct. I go to the bookings again. But this time I'm in the Bronx book because I'm in 161. So I'm waiting for the judge. The judge talking spicy because I just came out of jail. The prosecutor talking extra spicy too. Like, yeah, violent offender. He just came home.

He on parole. They're like, yeah, you'll be facing a lot of time. this time. I'm like, damn, why you're talking so spicy? When I know I'm innocent, I ain't even do nothing. Like, I'm like, I didn't steal this car. Like, for 100% I was holding it for somebody else. If anything, he stole it, I still shit. Like, what the fuck?

That's not my car. So next thing, you know, I get, um, I finally get a lawyer. My lawyer tells me, well, before the little judge or whatever, my lawyer finally tells me what I'm in jail for. So she like, yeah, you're here for hitting Mr. Blah, blah, blah, blah, with a brick in her eye and you stole his vehicle. I'm like, I did what? I'm like, what?

I'm like, yo, you dead ass right now That's what I'm in jail for right now Yeah, that's what they say I'm like, yo, I got so much evidence right now Go text my girl, my ex-girl or whatever at that time. I'm like, go text my girl right now Because I sent the video to fight

I sent a video of me in front of the hospital driving, I sent a screenshots of me telling that guy, yo, come get your car, I'm on parole. Like, I'm basically showing that I'm trying to give the owner his car back. It's not showing that I stole it.

It's showing that. I had permission and all that. So the way my story ended up is like the first day I did go to the bookings or whatever, they sent me to the record because I got sick as a parole or whatever. So it took a couple days to get all my evidence sent in. And then I got released. Shit, I'm not going to lie. It was last year this same time.

It was one day before Thanksgiving. Facts. That's when I got released out of Rikers out of that little week. So are you more cautious now who you spend your time with who you hang around? Yeah, that changed because that was like when I, first came out of jail. So it was like, I was still new. I was trying to figure it out the vibes and stuff.

I was trying to get introduced to the world, but it's like he fucked up. So that got me more on point. I'm not really, I'm more into social now. I move more smarter than how I used to move, pretty much. How have you been able to rebuild your life? What's your life look like now? Pretty much, I just be working a lot. That's what I've been doing because parole, they forced me to work.

So I had to get a job and I just work overnight. So I just work a lot and I'm just, I have a lot of friends that do music and stuff like that. I just be supporting them. And I just be living those type of lifestyle, like just supporting my friends pretty much and trying to figure myself out pretty much in the meantime because I'm trying to figure out what I want to do with myself. But right now I have a lot of people that's in my circle that's doing very good in life. So I just know it's going to be my time soon.

So I'm just patient with everything. What advice would you give your teenage self? The advice I would have gave my teenage self would have been to not have done no crimes for real, no crimes at all, because the way I see it is I messed up my life. Like, being a felon is probably the worst thing ever because I've noticed I lost so many opportunities that I could have had if I wasn't a felon. So I would have just not committed no crimes if I would have known. all of this is what happened now

because it's not easy to get a job you probably would like it's not easy to get it's not easy for nothing pretty much I get looked different because I was on the news people see me as a monster but in reality I'm just a chill dude

where do you hope to see yourself in five years I hope to see myself hopefully rich hopefully everybody want to be rich but you know I just want to see myself rich and hopefully just successful doing something, something, hopefully successful like you one day because you definitely get motivation.

Like, what you're doing is something I would like to do in life. I appreciate you, man. That's, you're motivating me more right now, so. Good. Well, that's the purpose of the show. Yeah, and you're definitely, so I've seen your developments and stuff, so it's like it's not that hard.

Like you said, start from TikTok, telling your story. That's what I do sometimes. do get your views sometimes, but the way you got to see it is you can't really care about the views. Even if you only get like 50 views, 100 views, or let's say 100 likes, that's like 100 people in the room saying they like you or whatever. So can't look at it like. Most people don't have that, yeah.

Exactly. So anything is better than nothing. It all takes time in consistency. So hopefully one day I'm doing what you're doing, hopefully because I would like to do something with podcasts or anything. like that. I think it you can definitely obtain it if you put your mind to and put in the work to reach it. Definitely try one day hopefully. Trust me. You'll see. I can't wait, Nestown. You'll see. Hopefully I'll be right here. I'm sunny in your room, next room. Sonny.

Awesome. Well, I appreciate you coming on the show today, man. I hope you have a great Thanksgiving. Thank you for having me. And I hope you have a great one soon.