Locked In with Ian Bick - I Was a Blood in Brooklyn — Then Got 16 Years in Prison | Sabu Stanley

Episode Date: July 15, 2026

Sabu Stanley grew up in Brooklyn and lost his father to cancer as a child. His mother kept him grounded and out of trouble — until she passed from cancer too. Without her the streets of Brooklyn became his family. His first run in with the law sent him to Rikers Island where he became a Blood. Gang life eventually led to a 16 year sentence in New York State prison. In this episode of Locked In with Ian Bick, Sabu tells the complete story — from losing both parents to the streets taking him in to Rikers Island in the 90s and early 2000s to becoming a Blood to rising as a major drug player in Brooklyn to the 16 year sentence that defined the next chapter of everything. _____________________________________________ #brooklyn #rikersisland #crime _____________________________________________ Thank you to FACTOR & GLD for sponsoring this episode: Factor: Head to http://factormeals.com/lockedin50off and use code lockedin50off to get 50 percent off and free daily greens per box, with new subscription only, while supplies last until 09/27/2026. (See website for more details). _____________________________________________ GLD: New customers get 40% Off with code LOCKEDIN at https://www.gld.com/ _____________________________________________ Connect with Sabu Stanley: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/therealflytye/?hl=en facebook: https://www.facebook.com/sabu.stanley.2025 _____________________________________________ Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ _____________________________________________ Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction & Early Life 03:39 Losing His Parents & Impact on Upbringing 07:03 Staying Out of Trouble & Influences 10:55 Financial Pressures and Turning Point 14:20 First Steps Into the Streets 18:31 Early Drug Dealing & Dropping Out 21:11 From Streets to Running With Marcy Projects Crew 24:47 Music, Hustling, and Getting Caught 27:26 First Arrests and Introduction to Bloods 30:28 Life in Rikers Island & Joining the Bloods 33:12 Return to the Streets After Jail 43:01 Running His Own Block & Conflicts 47:15 Brooklyn Hustler Lifestyle in His 20s 53:05 Getting Shot by Police & Arrest 01:03:52 Fighting His Legal Case & Jail Lessons 01:13:04 Serving 16 Years & Mental Transformation 01:21:01 Lessons From Prison & Pursuing a New Path 01:29:40 Final Reflections & Future Plans _____________________________________________ To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://advertising.libsyn.com/LockedInWithIanBicka Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Gang life eventually led to a 16-year sentence in New York State Prison. Today, he is sharing the complete story, what Rikers Island looked like in the 90s and early 2000s, what the bloods were really like back then, and how he became a major drug player in Brooklyn before everything caught up with him. Where'd you grow up, fly? In Brooklyn. What was your upbringing like? It was good

I mean, mom's pops, my pops You know what I mean, it was good But my mom, my pops died when I was eight So my memories just like really You know, I remember everything They was all good But, you know And other than that, my mom's raised me

But upbring was good, got every only child So, you know, I got everything I wanted You know, other than that, yeah Upbring was good. Mom was hard working She worked in Kings County Hospital I know, I'm coming up playing basketball Typical, you know, living,

just living life ain't where he got responsibility, you know, just young. I bring it was good. How'd your father pass away? He was sick. He had all, he had caught cancer. Facts, he had cold cancer. I ain't found out so I was a little bit older.

I was young. You know, I'm eight. They're not going to tell me. But yeah, he had cancer. What was his career? In the streets. Hustler. Cope.

Stickups. I knew that. You know, that's what he was into. How do you find out about that? Your mom or someone else told you? I found it out because I remember. Like I said, my mom was vivid at eight. I remember being with him.

We go on a bad festavis, you know, we jump out of the car. You know, I knew. I knew, I didn't know what at the time, but I knew he was, you know, it was fast-called, the girls, you know, you knew the difference at that time, like that, so, and that's how I knew. I knew my father was in the streets. Do you think if you weren't exposed to that as a kid,

you wouldn't have been down that path? No, I don't think it was that, because even though I said, seen thought at that, right, at that age, I didn't, I didn't ever want to do it. I ain't never have a thought to do it. It wasn't even like a, it was intriguing, like I liked it from there, but I knew I was a kid, I was just thinking about it. Everything happened with me later on, later on as far as like, if I, he dies at eight, my moms are still young, they're young.

So my mom's got me, I'm the only child, I'm still good. Then when she dies, that's when I said I want to. You know what I mean? Because things started changing. When did she pass away? I was 15. Oh, wow. That's a fact.

How were you as a kid before your mom passed? What were you like? I was cool. I was charismatic, fun. I like to play basketball. I thought I was going to NBA or something. Because I was playing ball like that. Like for the people, a couple people who beat it.

That made it to NBA at the time that I was playing. So I knew if I was stuck with that. Like Stefan Marbury, he's like kind of my era. My man Eric Barclay out of, Brooklyn, he made it to the NBA. Omar Cook, these are guys we all played around the same time. A couple of dudes I can't even went to the NBA. Charles Jones, this is all my era.

But I played ball. That's every day was the program. I go to school. After that, I go to Boys and Girls Club. It's a 9 o'clock from 3 to 9 all day. No streets ain't even, and at that time, I got friends that's in the streets, but that's not my thing. What years was this?

When I'm playing basketball and stuff like that? Yeah, the era. That I'm playing ball and all that, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94. My mom's got 95. And do you think it was solely your mom that kept you away from the streets and on the right path at that point?

Facts. Me and my mom's, our relationship was like this. So she was having grown in conversations with me at a time when she got to give it to me because she knows my father there. She's telling me stuff like, listen, do you see them dudes out there? Because the building I live on, I grew up in Brooklyn

was tilled in the notion. There's a drug building. I'm talking about it's the error when you walk in the crack there's no light in the hallway and all you see is the crack pipe the lady's smoking my mom's got to be like get out of here I'm exposed to all that this is that era

they're hustling all type of the 190 E's the 300 bands for all this is you know so I'm exposed to this so even if let's say my pops was a street this is what we lived at this is what I see every day so yeah so she she's the one that kept me out of it

she's the one that had the conversation with me You know, listen, go to school. Watch out. What you was doing with, Shamel on him. That was one of my friends. He was kind of more advancing into the streets and she knew it, but she knew that's my boy. So stuff like that.

Like, I had friends that were selling drugs. This is how I do too. Nobody, it was really my circumstances. Finance. I know finances is big today because all my friends that I hung around was already selling drugs and stuff prior to my mom's passing away. But she got me maintaining the same lifestyle that they live in because I'm the only chat.

me everything. Whatever was popping that drug dealers had I had. Dapidane, the clothing guy from Harlem, I had his stuff. That's stuff big. She's getting it for me. Whatever I see, polo, shirlin, everything. So that's why I think that played the big part. What I'm doing that for? I don't got to sell, I knew why my friends was doing it. You know, he's one of them guys, two brothers, two sisters. They live on the fifth floor. You know, we share in the eye. So I understood people sick because I never judged. But all my friends was kind of already in the streets. Every last one that I hung out with, except for me.

No, if I had a couple probably, but, you know, most of my friends was already, they're running away out of town. That's when that was big at that time in the early 90s. This when kids was really, I say, for Brooklyn, New York, they started running out of town to get money because you heard when Biggie Small said it. Then I figured out, Knicks went for 20s down south, packed up, you know what I mean? So that was a real thing, Big said. That's why Big brought you out to the world of a mind of dudes like us.

coming up because at that time of you was in that profession, we found that the same thing we sell for $5 if we drive up here is 20. So a lot of young dudes was going in, but they was getting killed and stuff. So yeah, and that's what it was, though. It was the money. My mom's passed. My pop's past. It was, it went left.

Do you think the streets had always interested you, even though your mom kept you away from it? Yeah. Were you curious about it? Yeah. It's a fact. That's the whole fact. What about it, was it? Was it the fact?

that you weren't allowed to participate, or was it just the adrenaline? I think it was, I seen what came with it. I seen the power at young. I seen the power of the respect. I seen high, like I said, you have a dude that's getting money. He, he, it's like everybody speaks to him.

The law bottle citizens, they love them, and all that, everybody hung up. So you had the detain which was wrong, but if you seen from the community, everybody's showing love. It ain't like, I don't know, well, at least coming up when I came, but that's how I looked at everybody,

and they take care of people too, right? So I always seen that. You know, my mom's brother, my uncle, that's all, he was getting money, big money, big, the gold chains. He, you know, I like the, you know, the attention that came with it, it seemed like everybody loved them, the girls, everything.

So, yeah, it was in truth, it definitely was, but I always, but I knew at that time, I was thinking, yeah, basketball, I'm going to be able to do that, maintain the same lifestyle. What I'm doing today, but I'm, like, pivoting to him. Nothing's illegal right now. Everything I'm doing. Like, I am a brand.

I'm branding my TV services and stuff like that, stuff that I could do and maintain the same lifestyle. Because I'm just being honest, I can't go sell my time. Right now, I'm having to come home at 40-cent years old, 45, and work eight hours a day, give you 40 hours a week and do it. I have to get a four work here. I'm not doing that. Especially where I came from me. When I left at 30 years old, I was a day.

getting some money. I mean, I got time sharing the Bagata in Atlantic City. I got the Bentley G-T. So to come on to that, so you got to make a transition. Well, I knew I wasn't going to do that, but I know, so she made, and I knew myself. So, you know what I mean? I'm just going to pivot and just get to the Met Gala. How'd your mom pass away? My mom's had bone marrow, cancer too. Oh, wow. So she had cancer, too. Yeah. Yeah. So where do you go when she passes away? Do you have other family, or do you go? Yeah, I go two places. I go. I go. I got my grandmother crib. You got your pop side, your mom's side.

So I go to Bushwood. It's the first crib I go to. And what was it like living there? It was great. I mean, it was family. It's a three-story house. My mother's sister on the first floor. My mother, other sister got the second floor.

My grandmother got the third floor. For all the grandkids, the kids, this is a ghost-faced killer. Two at the front, two at the head. I didn't like to sleep with John Johnny. That situation, that type of situation. But it was smooth. Love was there, everybody there. But I learned that, too, was like every,

I noticed even, because I got there at 15, right? It was like I got, it seemed like, I felt I was, like, on my own as far as everybody, like, you know, it's like it's no really one-on-ones. You know, the kids, we kids, you know, my grandmother's old at the time. She was already older. My grandmother's old.

Like, she, you know, she's not coming in there giving you talks. Like, you know, it's just like, you know, you got to feel you all right. You know, I got to be doing it. It's like, you know, how can I'm trying to say it the right way? Like my aunt, everybody's doing what they're doing living, you know, Riki, you're right? You know, you know, I can speak. I feel a lot, but I know like I got to figure of silence somewhere as far as like, I'm getting checks every month, every third of the month from my mom's.

From her passing away? From her, like her social security, I guess, because she worked in Kings County. So, but I got to stay in school to get it. They come in my grandmother name. You know what I mean? So she gets something and I get room and board. I mean, I get, and I get a portion. You know what I mean?

How much were you getting? I'm not even really sure. I never really seen the check because they was going to her. You know what I'm saying? But I know she was giving me portion or whatever it was. But I, you know, like, yeah, take $500. I don't know. I think I probably was getting 18 or something.

Because I think one time I tell her, like, I don't want to give up too much. Like in my story, when I'm telling my life. I think I, one time, I think I happened to see how much it was. And then I think I went and said something to her to the nature. Like, Grandma, like, you only gave me this. She's like, boy, you got to pay room and board.

At that time, I ain't know what room and board was. That shit went over my head. I didn't know. I don't know. I go tell my mom's sister. She, you know what I mean? My mom's sister, that was like my mom, she raised me. That's my big, all my aunt's me, but my mom's sister for my aunt Bonnie.

I tell her, so I'm telling her what was going on. It's like she knew without telling me. Because now later on, I heard her auguring with my grandmother. But like, you got to give Tava's money, yo, cookie work hard for that money, all, that type of talk. So, you know, I mean, I wasn't even mad at him, but it's like, I ain't even know. I'm just saying, I mean, but I remember my aunt doing that. So I was, no, because I went to my aunt like, Grandma, I was like, what's going on? Because she heard her, auguring.

So I remember I went downstairs when I go out the house and I tell her everything. I'm like, yeah, grandma, bugging. I'm telling her to give me, I forgot the number, but I was like, I was telling her give me some more because I sink. You know, I think I forgot the number. I said, but I'm like, she only giving me 500 and it's another 15, $1.30. She's like, yeah, you know, whatever. She ain't even give me a lot of work, but she must be heard that went,

you're just her grandmother. I was like, yeah, I was like, I'm like, yeah, she's talking about I got to pick room and board. Looking at her confused, you know, my aunt, ain't even telling me, I still just letting her know. I got to have to figure that on my own, too. What the fuck?

I just, all day, I remember that day. I'm like, fuck, she's talking about room and board. More of 15, I ain't know what that meant. Honestly, so that's how I was. But basically, growing up in there was great. Got everything, like food, we always capable of fool. You know what I mean? My cousins.

This is like my sisters and brothers, and there my cousins and all that ever. You know what I mean? So at that point, you're still attending school and you're trying to do well? I'm trying to do well, but I'm trying to do well where the environment same day too. Over there, where I'm at, Linden and Nicarbock in Bushwick? They're getting money in Bushwick. These Puerto Rico's there's a bunch of money. That shit is right in front of you.

I'm talking about the biggest cause is this was going on. Not, I got to go far right on the block. They're getting money over there. I know them like on some, they know me, because my cousin knows me, it's like that again. So I'm still playing basketball. I'm going to tournaments. I'm still going from Bushmen, going to Flatbush.

You know what, you know what? And I know these my people's over here because I used to come over here every weekend go from there to Marcy Projects, my other side of the family. So, you know, but I just started being more the money and being out and wanting stuff that, like little stuff down that I know was able to get before I was able to get now. Then I'm going to get this Tommy Hill figure jacket.

This shit fired. four something at the time. I only got 300. I never had them problem before. So I feel like I had to become adult so fast. That's just what I feel. Because I feel like at that age, them should be the least of your work.

It's like clothing and all that and out of the age. That's just me. Some people may feel like, oh, you got to prep. Not at that age, like me, my kids, this shouldn't be. What? At that age?

Nah, you're going to be good all the way to get out of college. And even then, that's just me. You know what I mean? So I'm just saying with that situation. I feel like I started thinking more about the finances and my parents. And even though I was never looking bummy, I'm still clean,

but it's like, you know, in my mind, I remember it was all like plant to me. I knew what I was going to do. It wasn't like, no, it was like, man. Because it was already there, I knew where I could go, how I could do it, what I could do. And I'm, and I'm observing the feel. And I'm like, like, I knew I was going to be good at it, right? For some reason, I was like, it's like premeditated. I don't know if that's bad to say, but I'm being honest.

I seen it because I, when I started going through, like, at the year, that whole year, 15, the whole year 15, like going through what I was going through like as far as, you know, like, the money and the, I'm all ran the checks and I'm only getting, you know, little stuff. I felt like I started straying more. So what was your first official transition into the streets? The first initial transition, I could say I got an eight ball. I was back and I went to Flatbush.

I got an eight ball. I just got it from one of my big bros. Oh, the dude. He didn't want to give it to me. Or he didn't want to give it to me because he knew me. This is somehow I'm hanging around. The path found it with them when my mother was alive. They were never, what?

They know. Miss Cookie don't even, my mom's pressing them. Like, what y'all be doing with my son? They tell her, Miss Cookie, now, we just be having a tie with us. And honestly, she wasn't lying. None of these dudes never tried to make me sell drugs. Like, you know, I know some kids experienced and they loved with me. They always know I played balls, so no, they wouldn't even let me.

So this particular time, I go over there because, like I said to them, I tell you, my mom's pass. I still ain't bushwick a lot, but now I still go over there. Flatbush. I get on the bus, get on the 44 and go to Flatbush. And I seen my big homie one day jumped in the car that. I always remember, we going up town to get some weed. I'm in the back seat. Well, we fucking, we driving this shit.

We're in the black sterling. I don't know if you remember them, shit, and shit was hot. He had that in the forewere that. We parked up his truck. We jump in the sterling. He driving. I just came out of the blue.

I said, yo, B, I need some work. He looked in his very room. He's like, what did you say? I see. I don't need some work. Well, drive, work was kind of quiet. He thought what you need work for. And I told him.

He was like, nah. I'm like, yo, you know, at first, so that, he was like, nah. I'm like, I just need the eight ball. I know what I'm going to do. He said, you're like, over here on Tilden? On the block, I said, I could do it over there, too. I said, I know all the things because I know all the crackheads I know. They know me.

I'm seeing him in my building all day. They like family, too. Get out the building, your polo, you know. So he's like, nah, nah, nah. And then, um, I still remember that day, he gave me a thousand dollars. Or 50-20s. G, you know, that shut me, kept shut my little mind. down, I guess then. But I got out of him again one time. Same thing just like that.

We're going, I'm going to go to him to the jury store. That's the jewel. It was Tito's at that time. That's when Jay's into my Tito's before Jacob and all. But Tito was big at the time. I'm going with him and I told him that day. He's like, yo, you keep talking about that. He's like, I'm going to give you a bull, man. I'm going to get you a ball. Again, he asked what I'm going to do. I said, nah, but I'm going to do it in Bushwick. Because my block and bush, like I told you, I was over-reserve. I noticed they sell a lot of dope and all that stuff about their cocaine. They got the spots the bodegas that do everything,

but nobody's selling hard crack. Dimes, nickels, and all that. And that was my thing. I said, I'm going to do that. I already knew it. And that's what I did. How old are you at that point? Still 15. Still 15. 15. About to go on 16.

About to go into 16, but I was still 15. Bags. And now what happens next? You start selling drugs? Yep. I started selling drugs and fucking all. I accept. I felt at that shit.

No, I'm just to speed it up, but we got, you know what I mean? But I did good. You know what I mean? I got the ball. When I first got the ball, that shit went just like how I thought it was. Made dime's 12-12 regulars. Could remind you, on my block in Bushwick, this particular block, nobody was selling crack at this time.

I knew some dudes that was doing it. My cousin peoples and all of them, but they always went to jail and shit like that. Now it was just the Puerto Rican's, you know what I mean? I'm looked at. They all know me. That's the first time I started knowing Moreno. I didn't know what that meant. They said, well, go, Papa, the Moreno on my block.

So I always had a funny thing. I'm like, yeah, I'm the only, I'm going to be the only Moreno on Linden Ligibaka with the hard. Nobody else could do that. I already had it in my mind. Like, it's crazy, God. I wasn't never valiantly toughening in my mind. I'm saying I already know that. And I'm going to enforce it, too, if they try to do it.

And that's what I did. I put the crack out there because I knew the crack heads that was going other places, but not on my block. I used to be seeing them before I had it. I was, like, kind of premeditating it. And just what I did, I got it. Seen one I do named dude named Mario, Spanish dude. He's like, yo, T, you got it?

He's like, yeah, I'm a runner for you. I ain't had to do it. He's bringing him going in other people's spots, Linden Evergreen, he's bringing him to me. I got the war rich on. I went to work, $300. At that time, I don't know about it. I don't know about it.

I mean, that's how I bagged up like $2.50 off a ball. Took the whole $2.50 back. So you know, my land. He's like, oh, you finished it over there? And then that's how it was on. Now, are you doing this all by yourself or are you running with a crew at this point? At this point, I'm by myself. You know what I mean?

Because, like I said, my block, nobody was doing that. And I knew dudes that were selling drugs in other different places, but my man's doing shit different. Like, I got my cousins and they and Marcy Project. They're getting money. But I'm not, because I'm going to get it to that because I end up going over it, but I ain't there yet. So I was by myself. I was selling a couple people I fuck like, yo, I'm going to open up my block. They're like, well, my man's in me that play boss.

Because I'm still playing ball and shit too now. I'm still playing ball. I'm a good kid. Nobody know me for selling drugs yet. I'm not known at 15. Nobody knows for that. Sabu. They call me Sabu.

Fly Thai ain't even really come about yet. Fly Thai is my name in the street. But, no, I was always flytile. But I'm saying, but it's still like Saboo. So, no, I ain't had nobody at the time. For like that whole 15, 15, 16, I ain't had nobody. Then 17, I started fucking a monseye project with my people's. And it was like, you know, it was a big thing.

I was like, I wasn't the boss. You know what I mean? But I was getting money with my family. He was getting a lot of money. Now do you leave school? Yep. You drop out. Drop out.

I've seen that coming too. I still want to play ball. I'm good at it. I'm playing with Brooklyn, USA. Tippy, these are good coaches. Like anybody that's nice, know they're playing with them. You play with Riverside Church Gachos.

I'm playing ball. I'm still, you know, I'm making it into the game, but I'm getting intrigued by the street. More, I'm around, and then the people that I come to with, some of them is really getting in the streets now after me. They're getting to it, too. So it's like, you know, I ain't a lot. Now I'm getting old.

I'm 50. My man coming around me with a roly back then? What? My first friend that had a roly, he's young. My man, Rochon Lucky, this is like my cousin. I call him my cousin, my man, him and my cousin Black. I mean, they got presidential roleys. I'm 17.

So you know, I'm talking about presidential roly. They're going to the Rolex store. These shit is just... This is when Tupac and all of us wearing them, and they big at the, you know, today, you know, Roli, you know, but, you know, they got the, this at that time was like, that's so big, you see them on TV. So, and I'm, and I know what they, how are they getting it? I was like, so now, now I think as I got older, what you asked me earlier,

no, that it was bringing me in. I said, yeah, I want to settle. I'm one. Now I'm thinking like that, I want a kilo. Yo, yeah, I said, I want a key. Why? Well, that's how it went, man. And do you get up to that level? Absolutely.

I said, ooh, we got to get up to the, so when I was young with the, uh, when I was young, with my cousins of them, we're just getting money. You know what I mean? We just, you know, it's like, you know, that shit was like, like, people don't highlight it. I talk about stuff like this because it's past dual. My cousins done did time. They did that time. Niggas doing legal shit now.

Niggas got companies and all that. So, but it's never been like, I'm going to tell it through my films and stuff like that, but we got a hell of a story, you know what I mean? Out of Marcy Housy's projects, we just getting a lot of money, man. So that's what I was. fuck with my cousin. I was 17. We running shifts. We got three shifts a day.

Each shift, we're doing 10 Gs a day. We're doing 10 Gs a day, give a take. We got the seven to two, the two to 11, and then somebody got the graveyard. Each shift, a nigga, this safe ends, a nigga might do me. I might, I might got the two, this is real shit, I'm on the block. I might do $3,000, $3,000, 2Gs.

Then the next shift might do the same thing. Some days, So it's crazy. It was the organ, and I was just a pitcher, I mean. But we are, we're rolling. We're rolling. We're getting a bunch of money, man. You know, that shit got dismanted. You know, that shit always happened. The fans and all that shit happened, you know, shootouts and people, you know, the shit, regular shit in the hood. Surinix, feel like, I don't deserve that. We're young. My cousins and them that was doing at the time, they were young, too.

Like, they, I mean, for that day, I was 17, man. They, them dudes, my cousin Black, and Rochon Lucky and told him them, niggum. They was like in the early 21, 22, 23. Not me getting a bunch of money. So, you know what I'm getting, people be hating the shit. But they was good dudes. My family was good dude.

We fed, you know what I mean? He's trying to do the music. You know what I mean? So I was inspired by that. That's how I really made one of the music because my cousin wanted to do that shit heavy. I mean, we one-on-one entertainment was big just like Rockefeller at one time. I mean, it was the point where I know.

Rockefeller was no bigger than us. We got everything they got just before Jay and it really took off. You know what I mean? They got, you know, we got the van. We got the T-shirts, you know, but, you know, it's a grind. We got the look. We're going to the tunnel. When you go to the tunnel, back in the early 90s, man,

in front of there, that was Brooklyn in there. But Marcy, you know, a lot of dudes, a lot of heavy hit is Jews in the rest of peace from Fort Green, but, I mean, we was making it look good for Marcy for what he was talking about. I mean, because we put it on, we got all that shit on, just from Christile crazy. You know, we got the roadies on.

Not me, at that time, I might got a bone bracelet on with a cuji sweatsuit two dominarians. That's good for me. I'm 18, but my cousins of them got it on. It's three of them, niggas, Turtul, Black, and Rochon. The niggas got Preson's on. My cousin, Tuttle, Mike, got the Fasci shirt on with one head, side of his hair, braided the other side out. DJ Flex is right there.

DJ frontman, he's playing. So, you know what I mean? And we was trying to do music. I seen my cousin Vision, too, so that's what, you know what I mean? He always was trying to pivot early. He knew he was getting, he was one of those dudes that was smart, knew he was getting illegal money. He wanted to get out. And, you know, it is that happened faster.

But we're doing it now. You know what I'm saying shit like that. I felt like, you know, we, you know, we, He was definitely, he was pivoting, because I'm just thinking for him right now in the moment of this conversation. He was the boss. He wasn't one of them thinking, oh, we're going to be big junkers all life. He's seen, like, see how the Mastafee did it at the time? You see when Mastipi took off, boom.

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and use code Locked in 50 off to get 50% off, plus free daily greens per box with a new subscription while supplies last through September 27, 2026, the website for more details. So did you think music was your way out of the streets? Absolutely. But I say that the lead up to where I got 16 years now, and that reminds you how I be saying my life is like a movie. All that stuff I could talk about that was just when I was 17, what I was going around.

I'm 17 now. Now I have a life that was coming. I started coming into myself. Now I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm done. I'm just like, I'm doing what they was doing, but we all, you know, everybody, you know, different shit now. I'm just on my own now. And I happened, that had happened with me. I started going to jail.

I was like a, I played with the guns a lot. I don't know how I ended up, I was getting money, but I end up was one of the ones. Like, you know, New Year's role, my cousin was the one getting money. I'm the one playing with the gun. I like to have, no, like, it, not even like, it ain't even was ordered, but I knew like, my cousin's going to get money. We got it on me, so, you know what I mean? But I got trapped off one day in the building.

in the building, they ran in the building, the D's on my shift. World, I got $3,000 in cash, and I got a gun on me. I just finished all, and I got a bomb. Bomb is considered a $100.00. I had a G-pack, I had 100 left, and three Gs in cash, and I got a gun, and they ran in the building. Locked me up, David Dinker-Ever type shit. Like, that's when he asked them to look.

They locked me up. I made it out the same night. I made it to see the judge. Dad's son called R-R.R. I didn't even know what that was. My lawyer said stuck to the side. I got out the same night, still made it to the tunnel. My man Rube came, him and my cousin Black came to get me in a four-door white act. Went to the tunnel.

I was in the tunnel the same night with Christi and all. Like, I ain't just getting knocked with a gun. I had a 3-80 glop, a bomb, $100, a crack still, of trades. We sell $3 to them, Mawsey. That was the amazing thing. We was getting all this money off $3 bottles. of crap. Not $10, $3. So, and I got a knock, made it out the same night.

This was the feds that busted you or the state? That was the state. And that was my first experience of jail. And how old were you at that point? 17. Okay. That was my first experience. So you did time for that? Yeah, I ended up because I got knock. I got out that same night, like case. I end up going

back and forth to court. I get six months, five-year probation. Not terrible for getting caught with a gun and drugs? You said that I feel terrible? No, I said not terrible. Not terrible. No, no, I was just mad. I was kind of pissed off because, you know, I got out so quick. I thought I was going to get no jail, so I'm going back with the court.

I'm young down. I'm going to, I'm in court. I'm just out of there. I don't know. Next day, you know, no. I think I missed the court day, and then they kept me some shit like that. And then I ended up laying up six months, fire probation. And that's how I got introduced to the bloods.

Why guns? Why do you like guns? It's not that I like. I knew they was in the nest city. I knew they was needed. I knew that for the profession, we was in. We wasn't selling T-shirts. We were selling crack at a high level.

Like, you know what I mean? And, you know, this is the time where you see my man, my man Chuck that's out there from East New York. You know what I mean? That's a good, that's a good, that's a good, you know what? Because he didn't give it to a lot of people here, and they want it. A lot of people, everybody wanted.

But that's when them dudes was out there, too. Like, you know what I mean? That's Tut and all these dudes. Like, this era in the 90s was bad. And I ain't even talked. They ain't from my area. They're from a different area. But Brooklyn was bad.

Everybody just ain't, everybody just getting some money. So if you were getting some money, they knew, you know, you used that deal. And if you wasn't, they was trying you. You was getting tried. That's just how that shit was going down, man. But that was my first experience getting locked up. That's how I got introduced to the Bloods. So you met the Bloods in prison?

First time I heard about it. I ain't known about no Bloods. I'm from Brooklyn. I got in Marred 1, Rikers Island. They on some blood shit. I called my man. I'm like, yo, they on some blush in there. And I don't want some scared shit because I'm chilling.

When I go in, the day I go in, I'm just very vivid I'm once you realize what was going at that time I got the AverX on back then I got the AverX on

I got some parasupos on I got a little diamond airing on me you know what I mean so I'm clean too this is Rikis Allen I just knew about it not from Bludge just you know

you gotta be up so but when I get there that shit was like home all my little merry knickers from the hood we all in there oh soon as I get there and Mar 1

yo fly oh shit what up one of my man's so when I'm in Mar 1 I mean I'm with my man blitz He was blood at the time, too.

I knew him. He was from Franklin. You know, some blood. They told him some blood. Like, it's crazy. Like, it was already started in there, but I guess if you wasn't really getting locked up, you didn't know,

I guess, and the ones that was coming around that's coming home, they didn't come around us. I didn't know about it. So, I'm like, some blood shit. Westco.

Like, yeah, blah. Whoa, so my homie was trying to get me to turn blood. I was like, nah, that ain't turn no blood. That's west coat of it. So I ain't fuck with it. So anyway,

I just marved out with them, but I'm doing everything with them. I'm beating shit up with them. I'm just that most of them, everybody knew, like I knew them. I knew them before they was blood because like I said, they was just turning.

It was just starting. So like I said, I went home, though. I didn't turn blood and shit. I went back to jail. When I came home in 97, then six months firepower, I violated the fire probation.

It was supposed to be a one to three, which was it was. But being that, I didn't straight go up to do the one to three. When I came, out, the feds rushed my projects. I'm talking about they locked everybody up. I'm talking about this shit bigger than me.

It's over my head. I'm thinking buying bus type shit. This is shit. Remind you, I'm just coming from doing six months' fire probation. Why is I worried about that? So when I'm coming in the projects, I see them coming. I see suits and jackets. I'm seeing them coming.

I'm seeing people. So my man telling me like, yo, they lock a mad people up and all. I'm like, whoa, like that. This is crazy. I'm not thinking about me. I see a dude. He's walking. He's looking towards me.

He got like the little blazer on the suit. He's looking. He's looking down at the picture. I'm with somebody. Somebody just drove me down there. My man from Bushwick, older dude. My man, J.B., too. He said, Todd, you go to the malls?

I said, yeah, man, I'm like, yeah, man, I'm just come home. Like, yeah, stay out of trouble. Somebody, you know what I mean? Oh, we've seen me, seeing me, seeing me, you know, diverting. He's like, yo, stay out of trouble, man. Word. I'm like, yeah, they walk up to me.

They say, they like, yo, uh. picture in my house. I'm like, yo, I got the papers. I'm telling them, yeah, I just came home. They saying, yo, though. So my man didn't even tell him. He's like, yo, yo, we just came down here.

Man, that shit was bigger than what I know, man. That shit was bigger than me, though. They pissed some plastic. I ain't ever seen those. They pissed on them. They pissed on them. They put the shit right on me. Like, oh, what the fuck?

They ain't even answering me. They just telling me. Man, I knew it was real good. Look, when we get in the van, you know, I've been in a city book before. I see, we getting on the bridge type shit. What the fuck are you on Manhattan? Oh, man.

I get in there. They got the whole project's in there. It was a big sweep. So Marcy was one of the places The Fed's first hit before When you heard about the Fed You thought about like out of town And shit like that

They hit Marcy Projects Like in nine, that shit happened Like 9-7 9-8-9-7 Y'all have to hit that shit hard And they locked up a lot of good people You know what I mean Stanley Burrell out of my P's legends

They locked up You know what I mean They dismantling all type Everybody's been investigated Different shit They have buying bus sales So they had me on sales That not the regular shit

Where I was used to yo They had come to sell you And they come right there They catch them out money know, they was building cases, building cases, so I didn't even go to trial. I'm young. One or three, let me go. But I laid up on Rikers Island a whole year for that.

So now in the mix of that, that's when I turned blood again, because now I come back. The niggas on the alley, like, yo fly, you just left. And I go right back. I'm talking about literally, I was home like two weeks. So the homie back, you know, it's like that. I'm with them again. Remind you before I left, I'm already never because no knickers scared. I'm already getting busy with the niggas.

It's like, you are who you are. The same person you was in the street. I ain't never been known to be no sucker. So it was like out of fun. I seen a lot of shit with the Spanish dudes and they was running the guys out. It was like a real movement. Mind it what people think about bloods today.

When I turned it, it was from my eye. It was like, oh, this shit strong. They power was different. What you wasn't running the phone? It was like, it wasn't the blood on blood. None of that at the time. It was like, oh, brotherly loves. I loved it that.

And now my mind, my mind you, I'm young too. I'm 17. I'm already doing everything. I might as well be blood. I'm going to the box with them. Me, my man Rome. Mel murder My son

Mook L-E-S, Big Dog Envy these are all Shirm the worm These are all that's on the aisle at the time

I'm on an aisle I know mad homie So I just turned that shit regularly I still remember my man

My homie His name was Blitz My big bro I ain't seen him in years too That's the dude

He put the Three Burns on on with a cigarette What is that An initiation Or At that time

Yeah You have to get Three burns on you I got three burns on My man did it right there With the My man did it right there

He'd be Trying to get me So now when I come back on a year, we're chilling. You know what I mean? We just, I'm just chilling with them. I'm 5.50. That's what they call us. Lutu's just 550s.

I'm in the crib with them. I'm in the house on Rikers Island to where the house lock in at, we lock in at 10.45, but we lock everybody in at, let's say, 10, and the niggas that's like that, the 5 stay out. I'm locking out. You know what I'm saying? I got my little change. This is all that my blood.

But these are my guys. on with. Not like that, but so afterwards, it's like, my man, one day he got to me now. He'll like, you're fine, you got to. My man, my man, blah. I'm like, oh, why I ain't telling no blood? You're like, oh, man, blah. And I just did it.

I said, fuck it work, work. Right then, that, work. Put it on, gave me my old, gave me the 200 deeds. And I ain't gonna front. I don't, um, you'll think shit like that. You'll be like, telly, I don't even regret none of that shit. I don't regret none of that. Not at all.

Like, I'm not to that day. I'm broader my horizons. I'm not gang banging. I bent started. I never want. I ain't doing dry. It ain't like that. You know, they make it seem like

like it's just something that it was a movement. Spirred out of control. Got so big. But, you know what I mean? If you could do something positive and still be that, that makes, I feel like that's good. You got to have the persistence

that is still that. Without saying, I dropped my flat, but just do it in a positive life. They can be like, yo, look, he's blood. Look what he's doing. Because it ain't illegal to be blood. They ain't there. He can't fool me.

I read. You could be blood. Yes, you could be blood to get caught up and some shit. But I'm saying, blood is not the charge is what you do and how are you doing it and you know

like right now you see Snoop did the Super Bowl you see he had the blue band thing they know he crit but he's not gang banging he's reping he has no problem no he's doing part of shit

and that's how I feel so I'm never going to disown it but I'm mentally rich now I'm not game banging I have been stopped that I was always about getting some money

that was just my thing I mean so I ain't I ain't you know what I mean I'm non trade you know what I mean so I'm just want to do something positive so which I am

I'm doing it right now so all this shit I'm about to do go to the Met Gala series, I'm always make sure they know I'm that. Because there's a lot of bad talk on it to where, like, yo, look, not all of us is that. That's not, oh, look what I want to do. Look at these boys and girls clubs I open up.

Because these are all the things I'm going to do. I'm open up. They don't even have boys and girls clubs that are there. You know my toy asking them? These kids don't even have that shit. They listen to a lot of these rappers that be capping this shit. It's like, they ain't even living that type of shit. I ain't even knocking rappers that do talk about something shit that they don't do with

entertainment, but they really be having a youth. I feel like they might as well believe me. You know what I mean? And I know they look up to me because I'm, you know what I mean? So if you could persuade them and you gotta come as the people, I look like them

so I'm not coming and I'm telling niggas, look, nigga, you can still be cool, you, that, like right now I wouldn't turn to anybody to tell you blood today. 2026? No, I don't feel like, I don't feel you should turn no blood.

No. So now did the bloods control Rikers at that point when you were there? Absolutely. Like a, like a what? And nobody can tell you nothing different. The bloods ran that shit with eye and fist. But you got the niggas that wasn't blood

that, you know, that's all. but that's when it was at the height. The 90s? What? Yeah, we ran that. They had that type of shit where you could really hide up under it. The nigga just knew you was blood.

You might could get away with some shit because they ain't like, you know, do some blood. They were scared. You know, the numbers were strong. We were strong. Y'all didn't get to see all the shit y'all seeing today how, you know,

the blood against nine. It wasn't none of that. You knew you fucked with one. Nigger, what? And I love the thing about that. The unity was what? My homies, man, it still is.

That's why I really love it. I mean, I ain't going to hold you. I ain't have a bad experience with this shit. All my homies, not I mean? All my man, my man, Mel Murder just came on from that shit with 6'9. You know, he tied my boy up. And I mean, all my dips. My man, Rowe Murder Home.

My man, OBA's drama home. These are all abilities that fuck with us doing positive shit now. And we blood and we ain't doing that. You know what I mean? There's a lot of homies, good homies that's doing good shit, now I mean? But, you know, we get a bad name. You know, Spite without a control.

That shit mad big. You see Jim. Niggas can say that about Jim. Jim. Jim been putting on for this shit for years. Come on, they be trying to shoot my guy down. That's the dip. The dip putting on.

There ain't doing no game banging. He ain't got gun. He's putting on. And letting people know, like, you could be that and still do that. And I speak, advocate for that too, because he gets a lot of bad rap. He blud. He's just, oh, yes, because he just blood. And I'm speaking for that because, you know,

some is kind of homie way back when I met him through my man Mel Murder. This way before the rap shit, I mean, like, he was kind of the rap. But I'm like, damn, that son of people cammed him. He was on the block with us. That's the guy outside. I'm saying, I'm fly time from Brooklyn. Like, I put off of this blood shit in the streets up north in jail. So if I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, that nigga solidified.

Not because I'm one of the niggas. When you get with somebody, then was the first rapist my man Merrill Murder brought me around. So, you know, I knew they was already talking to blood cam, but to get around him, I'm like, oh, this nigga really like one of us, like facts. So, you know what I mean? And I seen, you know, he was fucking, yeah, he ain't changed. He was that, and he still turned that and pivoted and helped my man Melo murder that was from the block.

And I mean, so shit like that. You know what I mean? Niggas can't overlook that. So he put on for that shit in the level where a nigga would be like, yeah, a nigga could beat that and still do something positive.

Like I said, and at that time I'm hanging around him, I'm not really trying to think about rap now. I just was thinking like, damn. It was kind of like in my mind, like damn, you can maintain the same lifestyle

with this music shit. And that's why I started doing what I'm doing that now. I got to sing with that sound in that's killing them. They act like it ain't killing them. They ain't playing me in my city yet, but that shit over 200,000 streams.

It's called Cold Cold World. Me. Well, you got to check it out. There's probably a lot of blood guards back then, too, right? In the 90s at Rikers. What, guards? Yeah, that were secretly bloods. Yeah, well, my experience on the island, my adolescent years,

I didn't know a lot of them if they were. I was an adolescent blood in the 90s, so, you know, you had the bigger homies that was a delus day. It was probably was in tune with them. I'm young. I ain't doing none of that shit. I ain't fucking bitches. We just young, dumb, bugging.

I'm going to the box for taking chains. Nick, I got five chains on them. She's got the Y in the back because we snatched for somebody so we used my man Room, my man Ruger Rome. There's crazy shout of my man Ruger Rome. I just got in touch with that nigga. One of the homies, one of my homies from back,

he's still up north. Look, I got niggas that I was in the 90s, still up north. I got a nigga that I'm up north. I got a buntlet you. I had one after three. So all my guys, I ain't go front the young homies. The niggas had time, 10, 15, 20 years,

murders. You know what I mean? I was half. I'm the only one half the three. You know what I mean? but, you know, you weren't ever known. I act like I got 30 years, and that bitch, I was acting like, you know,

but you're young, you don't got no responsibility. If mine, this is 17 at the time. When I went back, when I went to jail at 30, we're going to get to now. That was a different experience. I was 30 years old. That shit hurt. So what do you do from the time you got out to when you got off of 30?

When I came home from the adolescent bit? Yeah. I came back out. I got home, 1999. It was on. Look, it's 1999. Iceberg and all that shit is pop. I'm just giving you the error.

It's loopy. Puffing him got the game on lock. Free that nigga puff too, man. They gave him a bad rap. I ain't even going to talk about it. But, uh, you know what I mean? It's just the energy in New York is great. I come home.

My cousin Black sent me the whole iceberg jeans suit with the fucking gray Picoat. I don't know what that shit is. He sent me the whole iceberg jeans suit with the gray peacock with some gray smokefront Tims. Give me the address time to pull up. Because my people, they had came across some money.

My cousin Mark on him. Free my cousin Mark, too. He's on the island right now. And they have brought a crib, so they're not in the projects no more. So, come on. My people's is on. Kingston between the Atlantic and Hirkmore.

So I didn't know what I mean? I came home and there was no back to the program. I'm fucking with my cousin. You know, what's going on? I'm figured out he's still trying to do his music. And, you know, I'm telling him about Bushwick now because we're not in Marcy. You know, everybody's split up now.

I'm older than now. I'm like, yo, man, I'm going to get some money at Bushwick. I'm telling him shit like that. You know what I mean, we just started. Everybody just started, I came home. basically I went to Bushwick and I fucking set up shot again that I eventually did

told you before I went in when I was kind of younger but I ended up merging to Mars to my cousin because it was more money you know I'm one of them because even though I had my own situation when I was younger

I was trying to start it from the jumper but there's no real money I would have to really when my cousins got it rolling I told my nigga I could go make five Gs today for myself facts you know what I'm saying why don't I go get on that team

man this is my family I'm one of those and I had to play my road from young I always was, I ain't care about this old, independent of my own, but I fuck this block. I left. So when I come home now, I'm older. In 99, yeah, like 99, 2000,

I went to Bushwick, and I just locked that shit down. I had a partner. Now I got a partner. Oh, rest in peace, he died, man, my man, Butchie. He was my partner and shit. You know what I mean? I just told me, I just told me, you know, I had Buster Dice game, too.

Bust the Dice game for like $2,500. I told my man, you know, at that time, I was, I was, buying little 14 grand. I'm trying to get together, the little old. I busted for $25. I told my man one day,

I still remember. I said, yo, man, because he wasn't really, he was a nigga just fucked with guns and really, like, you know, he just like to go rob shit. He was older than me,

but I was telling him like, yo, man, you need to be, because he was from best. I'm telling you, bro, you need to be with me and Bushwood right here. We can get some money.

This block this shit. Nigger's some crack money over here. Nobody's selling crack. Everybody on this block. You see the big, you know, my block running the Nick's coming over

I've been meeting getting bricks from the standard, you know, the Coke, dope, but nobody got the hard cracks still. I'm like, nobody, and if there is, I don't really know it. I'm about to do it, make it be known, and nobody else gonna do it over here. Nobody on London. And that's what I did, I told my man, that's what we did. We went up. I got a six deuce, 62 grams, went to the top.

That's how I went, me and my man. And it's crazy, rest of the piece, man, him end up having a fallout, you know what I mean? And that's how I ended up really getting on my own. I said, I don't want no partners no more. I ain't doing that shit no more, that type shit. That was my first experience. me and I had a bad fallout, you know what I mean? It was over some corny shit too.

I just felt like, you know, you have a partner in life. You know what I'm saying? That's like if me and you're splitting 10 Gs, and we're just splitting 10 Gs, I'm just saying, this is what we got to come back with. That's what we got to come back with. You know what I mean? Like, I'm one of them niggas like, you know what I mean?

When we come back, you ain't got chores. I ain't like, oh, look, I ain't going to keep always saying, like, if we're spending 10,000 on work, we're supposed to go 5, 5, 5, I'm going to be paying 8, you giving me too? I'm gonna be, you know what I mean? How many times I'm gonna keep doing this? So that's when that type of shit.

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So one day that nigger, I come around, he told somebody that we had hustling, that they couldn't hustle there. Wow, it's crazy. He had told somebody that that's how. a girl. I mean, he told this dude that I had. It was both hours dude. But like I said, he stopped. He messed up his work. He had no work.

I gave a shit. He was messing up loose shit, you know. So one day he told somebody that was getting money for me. Like, I come around to get my little money. They saying, yo, you know, they, oh, you know, he was older. So he scared them like, yo, you can't have tell Ty. I said you can't sell no drugs in. That shit was crazy. So, man, we had a fallout because some shit happened behind that.

I mean, they, uh, we ended up. We end up in this crazy, man, our life is right because he told me I changed his life. That's what that nigga told me, rest in peace, my man. Because some shit happened, and that nigga ran down on me. Like, you know, I seen the nigga, I ain't even thinking it. We stopped talking for like two weeks prior to him knowing I ain't hustling with you no more. But we still was on the block.

But I didn't think about it. We still used to fake speaker. Oh, what I'm doing? We still playing dice, but I knew he was kind of salty that. And I'm not even saying he could still get money on the block. He got to get his own shit. But he's the only nigga that, you could get your own shit,

but I'm not, that's that. So that nigga came on a stoop one day when I'm eating some food and just ran up on me. Like, he put his hand on his shirt. He was like, I wouldn't murder you right now. But lucky your grandmother,

you on your grandmother's stoop. Yo, that shit, I couldn't believe that shit. I was with my little cousin at the time. He sent me and my cousin. I looked at my cousin. I'm like, oh, you see it. But he never pulled it out.

I'm one of, I didn't see it. But I'm one of them niggas. You ain't got it. You do that. A nigga dad at a grandson. with me, even if you didn't have it, it was going to go to where it went anyway, because, you know, like, safe it is a nigga, but he didn't even have it because I'm starting to think he didn't have it, but I was like, I ain't even saying, I got to play the fool.

I'm like, I ain't know with it. I was really stuck because this was my man. I know his mother, we're getting money together before the fallout, but the fallout wasn't nothing to where I would ever think like that to do no shit. Anyway, when that nigga left, yo, but now honestly, when he left, he just walked in a block, he's like, yo, he's like, you're going to me? I'm like, yeah, you got that. I said, you got that, man.

I'm stuck, and I know him for doing that too. I'm not saying it was bluffing. I don't got time to be calling niggas bluffing these streets. I always been light, like, do you see the frame I am now? I always been this frame, so I'm too lightful. Once a nigga make me feel like a threat, I'm going to get my shit. Yo, that nigga went down the block. I told my cousin, we both started laughing.

We like, yo, I said, yo, that nigga, I said, yo, bro, that nigga, nobody never did nothing to me like that. And I'm not saying like that. I grew up around gangs and all that, but I don't even never, I never gave off the end to do that with nobody I never had nothing yet that I end up getting

into a lot of shit later on in life but at that time I didn't ever get I'm a good known for getting some money I told my cousin you know

it was already this is thing we got guns over there I got them I just never man that nigga I went looking for that nigga

man I called his phone I said where you at he said I'm in Linden Park that's the park of the block for me

so I went up there and I'm calling I'm like where you at yo I'm so young now I'm thinking about. I'm like, then, all that crazy shit we was doing.

That nigga called me up. I'm in the middle part with the gun. And then he ain't picking up. And I noticed my cousin. My little cousin told me like, yo, man, that nigga probably trying to set us up, man, got us, anything going on where. So we left.

We went back to the block. And now, we just, like, I ain't think about it. I'm just kind of like I ain't thinking about it. So we just chilling drinking a lot. Why I see him coming, like 10 minutes later. So remind you, he ran up on a stoop with me with a gun. That I thought he was. So right now, you know what I'm thinking.

He got a gun. There's no if fans. It's nothing for me to be bluffing with, and I want him to know I got a gun I already feel away from what you did to me. So I already, like I said, I'm always pretty much, I see this dude coming. He's just coming.

So my mind, I'm really, more, man. I said, this nigga really coming up here, too. Like, he must be thinking. I say he probably, most people are like they, he probably think he scared me, man. He's coming up the block. And soon as that nigga started walking, I mean, I started letting that shit go.

You know what I mean? I ain't hit him a nothing, God forbid. Fair, I thought I did. And I was scared. I'm like, oh, shit, man. I'm like, my emotions. I remember everything, boom, I took off. Boom.

I ended up saying that, nigga, we stopped speaking for a while. We never spoke no more work. And then, it wasn't until a while later, he told me he was cool. Now he started working and he was doing different shit. He wasn't living over anymore. He's doing this thing. But one day, he told me he's like, you're fly, man. And you changed my life, man.

We were joking. So I said, well? He said, I can't believe you shot at me, man. I said, nigga, you're ready. He said, I ain't ever had a gun. I ain't have it. He told me he ain't having. He told me he ain't have it.

And I said, when you, when you, when you, when you, Well, I didn't know, do you? Diggas, I told a dick, but that was my guy, and I mean, I'm glad I didn't have him. But it's crazy. Look, speed it up. I did my time now. I just seen him when I came home and wore, and I seen him, man, and he was on the street. And I mean, fucked up and shit.

And they shit hurt him. I gave him some bread and all that. And then two weeks later, he died. I went to his front of and all that. I ain't seen that nigga in years, and I came home after all this years. And ran into him on the street in Canarsie and Brooke. I'm going to see somebody. So what happens to the rest of your 20?

And so you're just selling drugs in Brooklyn? Yeah, I'm running wild. Yeah, could we get this speed out like that? I'm in the streets now. I'm just getting money, man. Yeah, I'm just getting money in Brooklyn, man. I'm just selling drugs. That's all I know.

That's all I'm doing. I never worked before. I never worked some of you. I told you the story. I just pivot into that. And I was good at it. I went through shit. I was going through a lot of shit in the streets.

And I mean, but that was my lifestyle. I don't know what I mean? I'm going to the parties. You know, we're doing shit. We just have, like, before social media, I was viral in Brooklyn to me. I know. Internet is for people that you get to see. I'm saying, before we had the Internet, to be going viral, what you call viral there,

you had to be making some noise. I'm saying, me and my cousin Marcus, we go into club cheaters. We're 19 with minks on. The dude, AJ for one in the season park, he's looking at us like, he knew we were somebody. He's like, yo, what's up, y'all? Like, on some, just start greeting us. Stefan Marbury played for the Knicks at the time.

I'm just keeping it to the buck. I remember times I see him up there on the line, but they kind of catering to me more than them. They like, you know, because she just was like that with a lot. You could be a celebrity. Sheetis pop and you. Go, fuck, who you was? You had to be made, nigga.

You ain't Jay Z or something. They'd be telling you, wait. But, nigga, when I pull up, they might be like, yo, fly you. AJ, I ain't see age in a while, but he used to show me mad love because I was, you know, I'm a regular. My cousin, we're going in there acting up.

I mean, we, Chris style. We doing that shit back then, 20, 30. Word, we're doing it at a high level. So, yeah, man, that's all I was doing. So in my 20s, I was on my own. I was independent. I know what I mean? I had a couple plugs.

You know what I mean? I was just doing my thing. And then I spayed it up to where I got trapped off and the police shot me, man. And that shit was a blessing of disguise because all that shit I went through, I didn't even go to jail for what I did. I mean, like, I figured like I was going to go to jail.

And my mind already had to figure like I was going to go to jail for some coke shit, some drugs. I already knew, like, they got charges for niggas like me. I wasn't naive too. My thing was I was trying to, I mean, when you in it, you in it. I wasn't thinking like that. I'm thinking, I mean, I know I'm bigger than blue and white.

I don't think about them when I'm in the street. I'm like, I ain't blowing white. I ain't done petty. I know when they come from me, they probably don't build the case. I'm like that. And I always thought about shit like that. So before it to go left and I get shot in my back by the police, that shit was like a crazy situation, man.

This was when you were 30. That's when I was 30. So what happens, tell us this story? I was at, I was at, it was like a cookout. I mean, niggas having a good time. You know what I mean? It was, because I'm trying to spend the stuff.

I mean, I did time for it already, so I don't really want to get into too much by the butt. It was, but as far as like, some things happened, right? And guns was being shot. It was a bunch of people around.

Everybody started running. I'm running too. I never had. I don't got no gun or nothing, but, you know, I was around some shit that went down. You know what I mean? And as I'm running,

you know what I'm hearing police say stop. But in my mind, not stopping. I'm saying, y'all gotta work for this shit. You think I'm just gonna be stopping. You know how that shit goes. You see a movie police. Everybody running. I would never throw in Afrodo. Now this conversation, this, this probably could. Yo, bro, I would never thought the police would shoot me because I'm one of the people I'm big on going off everything I read. You know, you wake up, you read the paper.

Oh, some from up there, wowed out. So when I was running, I heard the police saying stop, but I knew I was like I'm not stopping. So when the niggas started shooting, boom, boom, boom, boom. They hit me in my back. where I spent on the floor and I'm looking up at the sun it's like 2.30 in the afternoon I'm looking up

I'm conscious I'm telling myself what I'm saying now I say yo, those niggas shot me man I was like hurt at the same time I'm not crying though

but I'm conscious I hear the feet I hear it that's the police that must be pursued with us and I look up as a black cop I mean but I ain't gonna front I'm thinking that I'm trying to pull that black car

because these are not blowing white that I see now because I never know some shit anybody running I don't see blowing white I see regular clothes. I'm thinking, oh, in my mind, this could be a street dude,

but it's the cop. I see the bags. So I'm like, yo, I'm like, office, I'm shot. I'm putting my hand up, like letting him see, like I'm really playing like, nigga, I'm, you're gonna,

you gonna kill me? Word, and he had it in his eyes like he wanted me. I ain't go, holy, I was scared to death, man. And he was just like, what a gun? And I was like,

I'm like, I ain't got no gun. I really ain't got no gun. You know, he handcuffs me, bang, sits me up and puts me in front of the house right there.

must be pursued me on foot because now he's talking to me with the gun. I'm like, yo, I'm here. I'm like, I ain't got no gun. The other two officers got to him. They turn their back. They have a huddle right there in front of me. This is my life, bro. I'm watching them verbatim what they're saying. He's telling them like they panic and like, you know, he got the gun. You know what I mean? They're just right there in front of me. Then they turn back around. The other two left again, he stays with me. Now, Mom, you see as much as I'm talking to you? This is the time, though, so this shit is crazy. And these platforms like this, I be looking to talk about shit like this. Fuck a lawsuit money because I still feel like I need to bring light to this.

I just did. I've been locked this since I was 30. And I came home at 45 a sudden I didn't do, right? They're looking at me. So I'm like, yo, now I'm trying to get him 101. He's black. I'm thinking I'm going to hit him like because I'm like, you're black.

I'm shot, man. He's like, yo, where's the gun? I say, y'all, I don't have no gun. Next day, you know, he just talked to me. He just pays me. He didn't look like he wanted to do. He just looking at me like on something like he didn't even care. And the next day of the other two officers came.

I didn't see no gun or none. I just heard them say, like, now as I got old, I noticed I learned what happened. They wasn't able to radio that in without a gun in. So they took that, they handled that amongst themselves. Now I see them saying radio it in. Now they radioed in. Everybody comes.

You know how you see the police scenes and the blooms. I mean, the suits, the white shirts, the yellow tape, they taping it up. I don't see the regular officers no more that shot me. Now it's a big crime scene like when y'all see on TV. They put me in a police car. So I'm just sitting in their shot, man. And I'm fucked up because I'm still conscious.

Like I said, this is my first time, but I didn't did a lot of shit. I haven't been around, niggas got shot. I know we tell them, you know, stay up, yo, you know, don't get weak. And I feel myself going through that. So I'm coaching myself, you, I got to stay up because I'm like, yo, I'm telling myself, I want that they even tell. Because, you know, it gets big now. Did they even let the people know they shot me in here?

So now Ian speed it up. They wanted me to die, bro. They was not. The way that I did because the doctor even told me, man. He said he never seen that like it. Look, that shit that I went through and the way that I'm telling it happens just verbatative. my mind is like that. They wanted me to die.

I had to be, I see a white shirt walking by because now I feel myself getting mad weak and I'm like, yo, what the fuck? I'm hitting my head

on the window. They ain't hearing me, man. It's a crime scene. It's lit. You know what I mean? Carl's a car wall type of shit going on. No yellow tape.

Real crime scene. I see another white shirt. I hit my head again. Boom, boom. Or he finally turned that. This was a different white shirt. There's different white shirt. There's a different white shirt.

You know how that shit. He's like, what's the problem? I say, yo, I'm shot. And that's when they said, oh,

that's when they put me the ambulance. That's when they put me the ambulance, bro. And I was conscious like a motherfucker and that's all I kept saying. I was like, yo,

the police shot me. Like, I was so scared and like, I wanted to cry, but I didn't. Because I was hurt. I couldn't believe it. I'm like,

yo, these, like, I do all this shit. Like, I'm thinking, I don't even expect some shit like that to come from the streets from some shit

because I'm in the streets. I didn't do a bunch of shit the niggas. If it came back, I'm one of them niggas that were the ward. So when it was them, I was more upset, too. I'm like, I don't have the cops shoot me. Bro, they put me in the ambulance. And that lady, they work on them. I had him. Whoa. I had them and shit. They like, yo, stay with me, baby, blah, blah, blah. A nurturing woman.

And I see the police. They like, you'll give us this clothes. They like, uh-uh, I ain't fun. They were like, not right now. Come, we go into such and such. They try to get in there and get my clothes. See, they're so worried about, I guess they want to put their shit together now. They ain't let them get none of that. But yeah, and they stuff. They fucking, uh, Yeah, they shipped me off to Kings County, bro. That was like on a Sunday, some shit, and I woke up, next thing now I woke up, all I remember in, I wake up, I look under there, I got tubes in my private part,

and I'm handcuffed to the bed. So I was conscious before, but now I don't really remember all this, but the other way. I see a police at the door. Now it comes to me again. I said, yo, the police shot me, man. The world, the police came, gave me the newspaper. Young police, too.

He was cool, too. Like, one of them young dudes that's a cop, but it's in tune with it's just a job he felt you could tell he knew I was young now I mean he gave in the newspaper and it had with my shit in it I'm like damn no not no big papers

now you got page one too and sometimes they might got the little side or that shit was nothing what happened so that's what showed me how I see like they got the power to make it believe what they wanted and this is on a small scale

so that's why I watched that whole shit with ditty and all them yo this thing is dangerous out here man when they want you to believe something they make it they make it they got the power do everything. This is my life. This shit said gun-toting thug today, run down

pedestrians with car and tries to blah, blah, blah. None of that shit happened, bro. No. You smile right because I be thinking about it. I'm like, damn, bro, they really put that together like that. And I couldn't believe it. So I'm sitting there reading the shit. And I'm looking at him. He said, down. He ain't even looking at. I'm just thinking. I'm thinking about everything that day. What happened? I'm thinking about everything. I said, damn, bro.

The shots went off. Everybody started running. Niggas dropped the fool. I said, the police chased man. I said, the niggas shot me. That's all I kept saying. I couldn't believe it. bro. I couldn't believe the nigga shot me. So what ends up happening? I wake up two days later. They shit right after that.

They pat your ass up. They'd be there coming every day on something. Pushing, but I ain't go front Dr. Kurtz. I still remember his name. He was pushing him like, yo, this is a, this injury is not no. This man was hitting his spine, damn thing. He was telling me he was lucky that I'm alive. You're lucky he could walk.

Yo, bro, I'm a show you. I wish I could have stood up in here and showed you. I probably can't. But I had showed your partner in my mouth. That shit is in the dead of my back. But they waited. I was in there for like a week. I don't know how long I can't really remember, but after that, they put in the wheelchair,

shit me right through Rikers Island. Now, I remind you, when I go in front of the judge for this shit, I'm already out on bail for two years for a gun. I ain't never tell you that, you know, we spent it through mad parts of my life, you know. But I had that knock. When the Dodge Magnum first came out, I got caught. I got caught. I was coming from a restaurant because I had a situation in the streets.

So I kept it, you know, around. And me and my man, bones, rest in peace, man. I'm going to shout my man bones. I miss this thing so much. where my man was coming from this club called show and we went to this club this restaurant but anyway we coming out and I had a situation I thought it was and I had my gun on it

and it was the D's and they end up seeing me I got got with a gun and uh so when I caught this case a year later when I go in front of the judge for this is new you know and the rain and the shirt they didn't even want to they're like remand off the wreck police case all they hit police shot that all this whatever them laws

and they remand to me man I had to lay on Rikers Island 11 months fight in this case because they want to see the outcome of the gun case. You know, my lawyer, I got to pay law. He's telling me everything. Look, Stan, this was going on. Because I'm kept stressing, yo, I want to get out. Get me a bail.

Some way, somehow. I mean, I don't own no problem. But I got some people. We got a couple dollars. You know what I'm talking like that. I'm going to get out. He's like, you know, Stan. You can't, they ain't going to get you no bail.

You got you out on bail for the. And this is a police case. I said, because every time I notice I was going to court for this. It was like two seconds. They had adjourned it. So, you know, my lawyer was giving me the real. He said, this is what's going on, Stanley. They're going to keep adjourn in the police case

until they see the outcome of that gun for the trial. So he said, I'm going to push that. My lawyer went to trial, beat that. Rest in peace, my lawyer died to his name Gilbert Paris. Out of 26th Court Street, mean, all he'd do was trials. He used to work with Charles Hans in Brooklyn before he turned DA, before he turned the lawyer, so he knew the ends and out. He was a black dude.

But anyway, he told me that's what happened. So we end up going to trial for my gun, I beat it. So now I was able to get bail. So 11 months on Rikers Allen, C-73, you know, in there with the homies, having fun, regular shit just laying up. We're just chilling. It's like, you know, that should be cheap vacations. You know what I mean?

I ain't go home you. I ain't never have bad. Nick, ain't did nothing to me in jails. I don't got none of them stories weird. Nigga, I, I know, I've seen shit, but, you know, I'm one of those. I was one of the elites. I was always cool. I ain't never, so I went to C-Straget out.

I just stressed about getting out. You know, time is going on. I still with me, nigga, nigger, Drake just came out, 2009. That shit is crazy. But sure enough, I go to trial, they come back with the not guilty verdict for the possession of the gun. And I kept telling my lawyer, I said,

yo, so I still remember, I said, he comes to the back to see me. He's like, you'll stay here excited. Because this is my first time. You know how it is to have a lawyer and retainer. But if you never really get into trouble, you never really get to see what he can do. They might get just tell you this.

So I finally got to see him. I said, oh, my lawyer is not one of those dudes that just tried. You know, have some dudes because I was one of those dudes before I met my lawyer. Oh, I was big on the Jewish thing. Like I heard Jewish.

So I always gave them a bunch of money. when I met him when I met my lawyer first of all I had just gave a Jewish lawyer 5 Gs for the gun case just gave it to him retained it the lawyer told me

he said you'll give me 5Gs and if we got to go to trial you give me another 5th so he wanted 10 Gs for the gun case when I was leaving to get my car in the park lot on 26 course street in Brooklyn right you know you wait sometime

your car would be on different ones so we up on the pan for the ticket I see a black dude he got the suit on you got the roly on but he looked to clean so I was like you're a lawyer he looked at me just like that

he said He said, yeah, but I only do trials. Just like that. So I was like, world. He's like, so the lawyer that I just retained and gave the five G for the gun, he just gave me some paper. Little paperwork he got got for me. So he said, wow, you got a, you got a case? I see that.

He said, that's your paper right there? He said, yeah, he said, let me see. He said, I swear to my mother grade, he said, not long. Like, he said, I could beat that. He said it's so confident that he had me sold already. And I just gave a lawyer button. I said, world. He said, yeah, why?

He said, because, listen, man, I meet a lot of you guys. Your guys will. Your guys, when I tell y'all my number, when I tell y'all my number, it's like, y'all want to pay for your freedom, and I never got that. We have it a long tour. I say, yo, no, I want you. He said, so, he said, look, I could get you, but that money you just gave him, I'm letting you know that.

As Lord, the defendant, if he's here, you ain't going to get a back, but I can let him know. I said, I don't care. So I had just gave, and got him because he was that good. So he beat my gun trial, and then he put in for a motion for me to come to court for my new case, the police case. I'm walking around with a cane on Rikers Island, stressing.

I'm blood. You know, that shit comes in a lot. We gang banging, but, you know, I ain't going through it, but that shit is like, feeling real. I got drama at the time.

That's the whole reason I have a gun. So, you know, I got ops in there as in, you know, the nigga I was going through in the street. He's kind of strong.

He got some people. He probably could push. You know what that type of shit. So I was real vulnerable in there, not vulnerable to when I'm scared, but it's like, you know what I mean? To be in there like that,

I'm trying to get out. get healthy. I'm walking around. I'm shut up. But the homies, homie, I ain't going to find my billy, my dad. Like, my generation,

I come around with this homie shit is always good around us. My circle, my cribs, I land them, it was always like, you know, you felt safe how you were wanting to be. But anyway,

I bailed out on that shit. My lawyer called me. He's like, yo, I'll pitch you in. We're going to, this week, we hang out of court. He's like,

it's not a game of tea, but least they're up for the discussion. So they gave me the bell for this shit. I finally came in the court. I laid down 11 months. They like Stanley They asked my lawyer What you request for bail?

He said $10,000. They started laughing at death Because you know, it's still allegations But you know My lawyer going there and yon This case is still allegations My client was the one shot in the back He's not getting the right medication

He got a cane You know, they're trying to pull your police We shot at You know, that's the first time I heard my child I said what? I'm telling these dicks I said they try to I said oh they shot me They go

Well I only looked at my charge They gave me 14 charges I had a tent murder in the first degree A temp or 10 assaulting All it I said What? So I knew from the jump, I was going to trail.

I told him, I learned from the jump. I said, I'm not taking nothing unless they try to just sort of strength of me being in the streets. I might just take it on the chin, I'm saying, let me just get some heavy bad rest. I might just need it. You know what I mean? I'm going through a lot. My man, bone. I'm one of my guys that got killed.

Who knows? Get me 10 flat. They wasn't trying to do that. I already had a math. I said, fuck it. I'm going to do eight years, six months, get some trail, that type of shit. Like, you know, when you get some money, you could go. They're trying to give me 12 to life, 10 to life.

I said, oh, hell no. And y'all shot me my back. I'm ready to take it on the chin. Knowing I didn't do not just to say to not gamble with y'all, but they made me. They made me. You know, it's crazy. That's what they did with Puff.

They gave him no choice. They offered that, nigga, 30 years. So people don't understand. That shit is like, I didn't want to, man. I didn't want to. Not because I was innocent, but I still said, I don't want to play with these people. I got a lot of friends prior to me doing this 16 years.

I'm the one that dude is sending money up north. My man, my man, Alan Murphy called him my man from Bush, I came up under. I mean, a lot of dudes. I do that. So I didn't want to play with the niggins. But I had to, and I went in there and shook the dice. And I mean, so, that shit was the craziest thing,

because I still look at it like they gave me all that time. And I picked the law by the citizens. But, yeah, but, oh, yeah, I spent passes. Yeah, so she gave me the bail. They asked for my lawyer, asked for $10,000. They said, no, we can't do that. They said, what are y'all pose? They asked for a million dollar bail.

Now, I mean, so the judge was kind of good. She's like, no, I'm not going to give them a million out of bell because, like, you know, this case is still, you don't know. In the beginning, they treat you like you get it, but you know, you're still innocent. So, like, this case is still allegations. We don't know there's a lot of stuff anything yet because, you know, they ain't getting everything.

They be trying to bluff you, and my lawyer told me because he was a DA, he was real smart. And it was sad. He was telling me how they're doing that system. She's like, no, I'm not going to give them. She's like, give me recess, but I'm not going to give them a million out of bail. And she said, in Paris, I'm not giving them a $10,000 dollar bail.

And that's what happened. She came back, and she gave me $150,000 cash over $150,000. Some shit like that, $150,000. So I ain't have no own, no property and none of that, no deed, and none of that. So I just had to give up, like, $3,900 for each 10, some shit, and come up with six signatures. Each person you have to make over four. You know how that shit.

You know how that shit, go put you through it. So now that was another transit from my mind. You know, I feel to have the money but can't get out because I never got to see. I was in the world where money, I ain't think about jail. It's like, you know, your money could do everything. But that's why I came home now, and I learned from then. Bro, I don't go for a fuck out. I had six million street cash.

You can't do nothing in the world I'm trying to get in right now. They don't want to deal with you. That money ain't no fucking money. You know what I mean? So that was then. I learned that then. I couldn't even bail out. I thought I was.

I'm thinking, when I heard the bell, I'm like, yeah, I know I'm getting. I feel good. Man, it took me 30 days to get out.

Because now you got to deal with people don't play with their names. You, my brother, Ian, you love me with you like, child, listen. I'm like, all I need is your signature.

Or I got a bell's ball and say, you just need the deed and I can give you the money. You're saying no. And that was another thing to learn. I mean, People don't play with their names, and I had to learn that. But I ended up having some good, some loved ones.

They gave me the signatures I needed, you know what I mean? And I picked the percentage of the money up and got out, and I felt good. Look, I got out, Jay-Z, dropped the blueprint, 0-9, the Yankees won the World Series. So I was feeling great, not I mean? No, I'm lying other way around. That's when I blew. I belt out April 2009. And I got it.

It's like, you can lay on Rikers Island and be fighting the case. They out like they let you lay there forever. Now when you bail out, they're ready for trial. As soon as I got out, I belt out in April, I blew trial November. My lawyer called me. I said, damn, bro, you can't get it pushed on. He, like, Stan, it's over there old case on the calendar. I'm like, appraised.

They do that. We've got people with old cases on the calendar. They dying to go to trial. Why are they? I just spent my money. You know, he was pushed. You know, because he knows they should be connections. Like I said, he worked with them.

So he was doing his best because they've been. I got out on April. He tried to tell me in June. I'm in Memorial weekend. I'm in motherfucking Miami in the Lowe's Hotel. I said, perhaps it's June, I just got on April. You shitting me? Get the fuck out.

Rest of peace, word. We just laughed. He's like, you're staying. He said, I'm a call. So he got to push, but we end up going to trial, man. So I went to trial on this police shit, man. And I went to trial in October, man. Me and John Gotti Jr.

was going to travel around the same time. You know what I mean? My lawyer told me, though, they was trying to keep my case really. Because, you know, they had just, at that time when I was going, the Sean Bell shit just was sizzling him down. He's telling me. Like, the verdict had came out, a lot of people in that, you know, there was a lot of politics.

behind the verdict that came out, Al Sharpton and was rallying. So he's like, standing. I'm telling you what's going on. They're trying to keep this case in the radar there because they shot me in my back. It wasn't getting a lot of press. He's saying they're trying to keep it under the radar, now I mean? So he's saying, like, you know what I mean, they're going to go all the way. You know, and I'm like, you know, damn, I'm going on the way.

Because, you know, my lawyer, I had a relation with me and him go to Atlantic City together. So he's telling me personally. And I feel like most people should do that. You tell your lawyer to chew. That way, he got to know what the femingal. You got it. So I told him, no, man. I didn't do anything.

I would have told you, now, bro, this is what happened. I didn't do nothing. I was somewhere. That's not my job to tell you what happened where I was at. I'm saying,

Miss Cookie's Sunday didn't do nothing. He's like, all right, that's all he needs to know. He says, you never had a gun? You wasn't in that vehicle?

The little thing, I said, hell, I wasn't in that car. Well, what the fuck? I said, so I told him the little details of what happened. You know, this is what happened

when we were somewhere. Niggas, that's, that's, that's, that's trying to run. I'm trying to, I didn't take that stand, bro. This is way before that body camera and all that.

I would have beat that back then in 2008. They didn't have none of that. So it was my word against theirs. They coming in there with, you know, police world is like, go. So that shit hurt. I'm hoping my story. I mean, I'm still hoping to reach people where, you know, we're like, I got to bring highlight to that because that was bad, bro.

I was 30 years old. And they told me that was going to happen, too. Like, they kept trying to tell me, like, what? They were coming to see me in the hospital. Asked me what happened with that day over there. Like, so who had to? I'm like, yo, bro, I was just over there at a cookout. I don't know.

It wasn't even nothing tied with me. You know what I mean? So I took it as a bed rest, though, because like I said, it blunt me to where I'm at now, and that shit was heavy bed rest. I'm mentally rich now. Now what I mean,

a nigga Ben, not to get some money, that shit gonna be like riding the bike. You want you not to get some money, you ain't gonna never forget it. I just feel like a person that get money. You could go away for 30 years. You don't even get money

because they put you away. For us, like that delet. So I'm saying to be mentally rich now. I was like, oh, I know now. So now I'm about to pivot. I'm a brand. I got a brand myself, my story. Now, I got a TV series I'm pitching right now.

You know, I don't come from that world, so I don't got the connections, you know what I mean? So I'm doing it myself with the little help I do have. My partner out there right now. She's from L.A. She from the Bay. She wrote it, you know what I mean? So I ended up meeting her through my cousin.

So life, everything happened for a reason. Because I ain't going to lie. The time was so good for me in jail, not good, but I had a, I say, like, you know, I was one of people too. I'm a league. I'm going to Cardiars and Belisias and in jail. And, you know, I ain't got a bad, you know, We, we chilly, you know what I got liquor.

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16 years. 16 years. And how much time do you have to serve on 16? 14 years, 10 months. That's how much time at all they take off. Huh? They don't take much time off. good time.

Look, and I was gang banging. You can, though. You can work your work. You got, you got a little shit. But not a lot, though, because even with if I would have got, like, I could have got six months taken off. And then this other little shit you could do, like, if I would have got in college, it knocks off probably, I still would have, I probably would have been.

If I had did everything the way I probably, I could say should have did it. You know what I mean? I probably would have dead off the 16. I probably could have did 13. But I just did my home, man. Let me get these. I was good. I was heavy bed rest.

It was a cheap vacation. I got mentally rich. But it was so good that before I looked. I was like, damn, I go home in two years, and I ain't know what the fuck I was going to do. In my mind, I'm saying, damn, what the fuck? I can just go back out there selling coat, which I'm saying I know I can. I mean, like, you know, it's like that circle, you know, the people that, but I'm like, nah, I learned.

They got charges for people like me. Like I was saying before, I ain't, I'm not one of them nicks that stupid. Because you don't got people that think like this. You know, I ain't go to jail for what I did. I was good at it because I didn't go to jail for cocaine. I sell coke all my life. I sell bricks. You know what I mean?

That's what I was doing, fly a time. So I went to jail with some violent shit. Shoot me in my back, police shit. You got a lot of people that are mindset in there. Whatever there's different situations. They'll go home. If you didn't get knocked for you, you'll go back to what you do. No, that was a learning experience.

I met a lot of good men. I want to live for people that, man, listen, I'm in there with dudes with 87 numbers, man. My man Lamont Johnson, Majesty, out of some of the projects. He's been locked up since 1987. There's a lot of dudes like that, but this is one of my men. No, 1993 numbers. I got relationships once again. I don't came in there with 16 years.

I then got a relationship with you. You was there before me and I left before you. I got J-Pay in my phone. I got J-Pay app. I sent 30-second video, so I want to be one of them for them, I mean, I know they want to see me put on. So it's like, but look, the time went so fast before I know it. I said, damn, what I'm going to do?

Go out there and sell coat. But I know I had a little cushion. You know, support system was good. I said, damn, so I'm just going to chill and observe it on social media. I left in 2008. I ain't had nothing. None of this. So I said, damn, what I'm gonna do.

I had mad people always tell me time. You should tell your story. Books, oh, you should do the music. It's how you got love. And I always wanted to do that. So that's what I came home and did after a while, you know, because like I said, I'm kind of in the circle with circle. So I know I'd be around this shit.

I've been around a lot of dudes and that's into the shit and you know what I mean? So I said, you know what that's what I'm going to do? So I came on saying, I got a plan. I'm going to go home. I'm going to do this music. I'm going to tell a Saboo Stanley story. I'm going to try to dip my film. I'm out there, but I didn't know how.

You get it? I didn't know how. I just said, I mean, I'm not in that circle to where all my dudes is, you know, I got street mayonnaise that drive around in Hondas.

You know what I mean? They don't want to be involved in this shit, but I felt like I thought it was going to be easy for me to come home and get the money that I need to do what I want to do because I felt like,

if I tell you, you, boom, nigger, we're going to be like one and I can make the truth let's pivot, and I know you got the money type shit. That's what I want to do now.

I don't want to do this type shit, So I felt like a couple of my circle, they wasn't, they didn't believe in the vision. So I had to separate myself. I had to show them growth like, well, I get it in. Then I ain't going to just be around you. I don't go fuck if you got two richie minutes. I'm not doing this no more because they got charges for niggins like that. You think I want to be on the cover of a Don Debo or somebody that do 40 years is going to come up here.

When I got the, I got locked up at 30, so I got a lot of wisdom. They can't tell it like me in. Nobody's going to be ever. This music that I put out right now. I got a single out to call Cold World. It's streaming real good. Everybody needs to go get it. and it's, uh, I'm just talking from a space where, like,

people's going to be able to relate to it. They ain't, we ain't got that type of, they, we ain't had that type of music in a while right now. And I love music, but it ain't, it ain't, we ain't have this type of cause. I'm, like, it's, uh, it's from the trenches. That's why I like the kid, Dirk. Like, I like, I like a lot of new artists, but a lot of them don't touch me, like how, you know,

Pock used to touch me or, you know, Jay and the kisses and all. I'm certain people like that. You got to really talk it. So, I mean, like, I talk from my environment, what I've been through. I'm just trying to talk it and put it all on the beat. And I talk it good too, you're going to see you're going to see my sick.

So do you feel like that prison sentence was in a way kind of karma for the drug dealing and things you didn't get caught for? That's how I looked at it too and I took it like that. Look, you got away with all this. You're going to do time for this. And like I said, Ann, look, I'm blessed.

Like I got, look, my partner, man, I call her like the Tyler Perry because she write, she do Broadway, she do plays. And like I said, I met her through my cousin. My cousin was on the set of Get Richard, I started trying. Shout out my cousin Boo Boo, 20 years ago, they met and they've been friends ever since.

I mean? So, potonically, she's like, she knew of me before meeting me. And she told me one day, she said, yo. So it's crazy. She said, yeah, I could do your, I could do your, I could do your, I could turn your life into a TV series. I said, for real. She's like, yeah, but I don't, you know, I write black rom-com. I do stuff like poetic justice and stuff like that. I write my own show.

But if you tell it to me, verbatim and give it to me and I, and I'll be up under you, and I can do it. And that's what we did. And when she sent me the script, I was amazed. I was like, oh, this is my life. And the dial. Like I said, even with this, I'm telling you, you're going to be proud because you're like, damn, this interview here, you got me before I got hot.

It's about the road because even in Hollywood, I'm in real cathedral, the film and all that. That's why I know 50 tapping him. He's killing them with our culture, but they can't tell this TV, civvies, the streets that's out now, the trailer's on YouTube, the way that I'm telling it because y'all don't come from that word. I don't care. Nobody in Hollywood right now. You're going to tell her the research or how you think it may with this particular. I'm the speaking for this particular show, it falls in the line with power, the wire.

This Sabu standing story, the streets, the dialogue, she was the brain. But the way I'm giving it to her, I don't think they had a visionary like that. When I tell a jail scene, if I say somebody got hit in Clinton and it was 15 of us in the shower, that's how I went. They ain't seen that. They haven't thought about nothing like that because I ain't know you can just think of. You got to experience it. You know what I mean? You got to experience this, this, this, this, this, that mass of conservation.

the mindset, you know what I mean, just the whole dialogue. The way we were selling Coke in New York, the way that I'm doing it. I want to bring them to New York on a higher level with authenticity. I ain't never sold a nigga a brick with a suit on in the warehouse. That's not how we did it. I'm going to show him how I might pulled up on your notion of Jefferson, had that shit on my life and they said safety, and I mean, so I feel like my audience, my coach, they're going to love it because that's us.

You know, it's like, when you watch Sunday, but I know what I like. You know what I mean? They liked old dog from Minnesota Society. He was curated. That was a character. They like ghosts. Sabu Stanley is not, it's just, she put it in film structure, but I know they're going to love me. They're going to love it, yeah.

I'm going to the Met Gallag, man. Tom Ford, I want the black. And I don't know if I should do this white or black, what you think, yeah. So do you think that prison knocked your desire to sell drugs out of you? Hell yeah. Get that fast money. Knocked it right out of me because it was like, I felt like it wasn't worth it. I'm like, damn, like all this time and just hearing other people's stories, it was like a good, you know what I mean?

I did so much reading. And shit that I felt like it was a blessing of the skies. My aunt told me that when I first blew trial, I was so upset because I went over my head. It's fucking me a blessing of disguise. You ain't hear that lady say, Auntie, you ain't hear that lady say 16 years? She like, no, but I did see because I got the, like me,

I never know about 1921, too, so. I never know about none of that. Like, that took from reading, my wisdom. I would never know about the new Jim Crow, Michelle Alexander. It was published in 2010. I would never know about James Allen as a man thinking for all them books like that. I'm mentally rich now. I see how Tupac felt.

Nah, I can see why when I been looking at him, I'd be like, yo, he was, because he was mentally sharp. When you got it like that, I felt like, and I felt like everything is, when you get a lot of success and all that, you got to be groomed. That's why some of them get it in the beginning,

and because it just came so fast. I felt like, what he got for me is different because he groomed me well, I'm well, I'm patience. You did three years, you know, jail teachers, hell of patience. I seen money before, so it's not like, when they're going to know the difference between me and them

when I'm at the walls with my people. I might just be with two people. That's like over 40 years behind the world. So when I'm at the Met Gallagher and if it's Rihanna right there or Doja Cat or whatever, I'm happy to be around them. I don't want no smoke. My crowd, we're not trying to create an image now. We really come from that.

So when I see a lot of them dudes that's in the game now, I know they couldn't have came from where I came from. It's impossible because you make it there now because they try to create an image. A lot of them trying, and that's sad. I mean, I'm just giving you. That's why I say they're paying them to act like me. I might as well get a check.

What would you do if you ever had to go back? to prison? Oh, man, you went left. That was a good question. It's crazy because I think me, I tell us myself, I'm just going to entertain the question, but I tell myself, I ain't never going back. You said, but if I had to, you just put into question,

like, but if I had, you make it up a civil stuff happening, I got to do some time. How much time I got to do it in? Well, I mean, you kind of answered it saying you'd never go back, so that's a right mentality, you know? Oh, yeah, that's a fact. Oh, no, so I ain't never going back. Yeah, that's a fact.

And I know, like, I talk fast, right? But I'm well-grown with, yo, when you get your freedom to take, I hate to say that I don't want people experienced that you're going to look at life different. But you're going to look at, that's why me personally, I say anytime I get a platform, I speak my mind and I speak what I feel. Puff got to experience something right now

than at his stature, nobody never got the experience right now. Not what he went through up to my... That he actually went through, what he's going through now. He's saying he's with somebody with a number out there. He's no bigger than them. He could go to commissary, whatever he says. He's been 315.

This dude has been 315. Even though you got a big, you're just a number. You're just equal. And I know that shit because he didn't get to where he at from being a random nigga to him to be a business. He was already sharp. That helps you even more.

So I just eased off to that because it makes you sharp, man. And he might be in when they get out. I don't know what they're talking about, man. That thing wakes you up because, like, I went through it on a lower level, bro. He went from being on a jet doing all that and everything. He's seeing how nobody. And, bro, he did a lot for people. I don't even know that man.

I watch, so I know they'll do it to me. All these are lessons. They give us our couple being. and all that. But you see, when you go against the grain, because I'll just keep it buck, man. I was real hurt behind that situation with Homeboy because I feel like I knew him,

him coming up with this whole music shit and how a never-known person. Met him one time with my man B. K.R. But this is not that. I'm the speaker because it shows me. I'm black. What could happen behind the season of view of my... Bro, that situation, I watched the whole trial,

bro, and it's like, bro, he could have been in jail for life. He gambled that because they gave him no choice. So to take that on the chin, and I know what he had. Now he and there was some friends of mine right now. That puffies in population. But in the yard, bro, that's crazy. So I say that to say, man, you ask me, man,

that shit wakes a lot of people up. That shit will change your life. You could do one year. I got some people that went to jail and came home and never went back to the streets again. Sometimes it takes so me, like I said, I needed that because I will never go back. I don't even like to be equal with everybody. It should be levels in life. And I mean, I don't like how when I was locked up, right?

I know you ain't no fly time in. But your wife come see you every week and bring you. you 35 pounds and you go on, you think you me. I didn't like those. I didn't like those conversations. Not in a bad way. I just didn't like everybody's equal, which is cool, but I don't want to, I like the fact that it's levels of this shit.

You shouldn't be able to, you know what I mean? Like, you got to have some respect for the money and power. I'm into that. And jail don't do that. That's strip drills everything. See who's who and you get to see more rules. You get to see who your sister is, your mother. This is a lot of people.

I got to learn that I just was a provider. Because when I got away, you know, the beginning, let's say I got 16 years. So the first two, three is, and then after why I used to know, people disappear, bro. You'd be like, damn, man. And I ain't even mad, but I got to learn. It's like, wow, you could be with a woman.

Safe and instances, you never got in no trouble. When you met her, you had the rife. And y'all had a good 10-year-run. She wasn't in the street. She's a college girl. But she knew your lifestyle. I'm saying, and you went and got 10 years. She was gone.

Them type of woman to say, oh, please, that street shit. I respect the woman that when you meet a guy, you could tell what type of life he's into. You got the woman that tell you with the jump. I don't mess with guys like you. The ones that eat from it and benefit and rock out and then when something happened, sour. You know what I mean?

So you get to see a lot of that. And a lot of men I've been for a fact, I'm speaking for the men that went through that. And then when them niggas got them back, y'all just turns y'all back on them. When y'all was wearing the meat, so they had you in the range, you know, and I mean, I even watch how they,

you know, you beat in the beginning, then you just disappear. But that system is designed to break up families. That's what it's designed to do. It tests your legs. They might send you like me. They send you from Brooklyn. I landed in the city.

I was lucky. I felt like, oh, that's right there, 45 minutes. So now you're gonna test your family legs. Now they might sing from there to Dan Amora, where you gotta go wait for the bus at 12 o'clock that night to get there at 5 in the morning. You gotta do that every week. I just went to see my cousin Mark, man, my cousin,

and Brooklyn, you know, he got a little situation. Allegedly, they say he killed somebody, right? So I went to see him, and that's my first time. I really do the, uh, getting a visit. So I went to see my cousin, Ian. Do you know I got there at 11 o'clock? I only, you only get to see him for hours. I got to my car at 5.30.

The process was crazy. So I'm looking at how that shit could break a female down, and you ain't even get no way yet. A woman would be waiting, going to see her in Rikers'A and already tell us up, I can't do this. I can't do it. And remind you, that's just the county. You ain't even figure out what you're doing yet.

So if you're putting her through some shit too, and she got to be going through that, I'm watching the COs, temptations, they're trying to talk to them. I'm watching some of them even talk to them. I'm like, damn, wow. She's up here to go. So I just don't want to be putting none in situations. I don't want to put my family in situations.

I don't want to put my kids through that. Like, my son is 30. When I left, he was 12, I mean, I don't want to put nobody through that. I just want to, I just felt like I didn't need it to, though. Like I said, made me more patient and made me embrace freedom more. The little things.

Like, I love the little things. Right now, I'd be beating myself up. I feel like I'm supposed to be further. But then I'd be like, who was me to say where I'm supposed to be now, you know? I'd be like, it's going to happen. You know, everything. Jay just said it more louder, but it said when I heard the big homie said,

I said, wow, because I was telling myself that it ain't happened to you. to you and it's happening for you. You know what I'm saying? So I used to question the man of ball. Like, damn, how are you more, man? Like, you know me better than anybody. I'm a good dude, bro.

Y'all feel like you put me through a lot. That's how I'd be talking to God. Like, damn, bro, you took my mother, my father. I'm the only child. Fuck, you put me in these environments. Like, that's always always thing. And I got a shot in my back 16 years. But then I started thinking, oh, he got a plan.

He want me well-groomed. So right now, Ian, you got to understand. I know it right now is going to pop. But when I get these means around, I'm going to have. I'm gonna be the same dude because it's like it's bigger than that. That just come with it, the money.

But I'm used to the tension. I always been one of them way before. I always was the one with the girls. I always been around the elite guys. So it's not like the tension. Most of these dudes, they get big successful. But because you wasn't that before that, so I get it.

I get it with a dude that I was him before or what I'm about to do. It's just going to be like, damn, he got more of money there. It's legit. You know what I mean? I had the GT speed. I had the ring.

I was doing some things. You know what I mean? I was fucking with Jacob when Jacob was the guy. You know what I mean? He knows me. I'm going to see him. I'm going to see my man Ivy. I mean, so I felt I did good.

So if I wasn't, I can't even say that because I speak things. If I wasn't to get a billion dollars, let's say bang, I'd still be good with my means. I still be good with the beans. What's one thing you know now that you wish you knew when you were a kid? What's one thing I know now? I wish I knew as a kid. You said that I wish I knew to be more patient. it took me to go to jail to be patient.

Patience, I ain't going to hold you patience. And I had somebody give me my flaws with that adult, like three times. They're like, yo, bro, I ain't a front, bro. You got patient. They seen it because, yo, you got to have patience. But in jail, that's all we got to have. We wait for everything. You got to wait for everything.

You got to wait for everything. You got to wait for every. You don't know. You don't know. You got to wait for everything. What? I said, we got to wait for everything, right? Yeah.

Everything. Everything. You got to go somewhere. Wait. You're on their time. You're on their time. I learned that. Now what I mean?

I'm going to see my visit. I get down there. Like, I was saying from five. I know. I said, Dan, they woke me up from my visit two hours ago. They just, you know what I mean?

That type of shit. So that's all. I wish I knew that anything else. I ain't going to hold you. I don't regret nothing. I felt like, you know, everything happened for a reason. So I love my life.

I love it more because it's about to get more. Like I said, I'm just excited about my show, man. The streets, man. Like, to see it. Like, right now, nobody really said, I ain't got no real 100,

but I know. It's like, you know, it's about getting stuff with the right people in. But watch me, you even see it in, you probably going to even hit me like, Dan, Stanley, like, yo, Ty. Yo, it's so good, man. And I'm not biased.

I'm one of the people like, I watch stuff on Tubi that be good. I'm like, I watch them. I see why. Like I said, I'm not one of them do. But this ain't too. When you see this, you're going to, and I'm just being,

I'm not that because I'm in it. When I watched it and the fact, I said, damn, this story, because I know me, I know my culture one. I see the, it's just like, And I feel like I'm bringing the audience already. You got some people they make stars

because they dismay them. I'm saying they just, it's like they, they just enhancing a star. I was over there, star. So I feel like I'm coming with the audience. I feel like I got people that's gonna go, they get in me because they, like when y'all put me more out there, they go, oh, that's Todd.

And I got dudes that's getting me on J-Pay up north. They don't give a fuck about what Ty's saying. They saying, Ty just was with us. And C-16 is about being relatable. It's about being an arm reached. They're not critiquing me. I'm not one of them niggas. that when music shit pop too

because I'm doing both. I'm about to be one of the biggest deals out of New York with the music and I'm not because I'm 46. I'm talking about one and done. They ain't got to worry about getting three out. This shit that I'm about to get them this product. I'm just looking for backing with that too,

but I've been giving them singles. Look, it's nothing like it. It's, it's, oh, how can I say it, man? They ain't seen that. It's an enrease. Like, the people that's getting it, right? Regardless that if they say, I got the type of orders that they're saying,

they want to be able to say that's one of ours. That's how people like that type of stuff. So I'm saying, I got dudes that whole audience, they're going to get me up north on JPE. Before they even know what I'm saying, they want to be able like, yo, that was tired. I wasn't messing with everybody up north. I'm talking about the one that's able to go back on a visit

and tell his wife, like, yo, remember the kid that used to be in the M to Z, where he's on a tablet? That's what they like. Then know I just was with them. To see me on the GQ right now or on the B-T awards, they're going to go crazy.

Not the ones like, I'm not one of the ones that, you know, because that's how the streets is. Music is part of the culture with the streets is like if you're talking a certain type of music was he living at

what's he doing that? See, I'm gonna get the other way around niggas people, they're saying, that nighat trying to rap. The other shit is always slithful out of it. I'm not going to go through none

I am not any worried about nobody can jump on the internet right now and try to be like, oh, you know, because you know, I see these music guys go to go to that and that's why they try to make their self tough.

I ain't going, they ain't got to worry about me doing none of that. Somebody can always tell your story. You get what I'm saying? So I'm just being me. I just feel like I'm just excited. I ain't going to hold you.

And I'm more excited with the music because the single's doing real good now. And I dropped another single recently. I'm working. But this TV series that show me now got me more thinking like I ain't going to forget about this music. And look, it ain't even like I had no big deals

or I had no big meetings. I had a couple sit downs. But I'm big on. I'm a dude that's two coming in older. So I know everything that the mistakes, another person would have made at a younger age. even with the rap contracts. I would never be a one to be.

I'm trying to go, you jip me. I know what I'm re-so. If I do do something, I'm doing it with the blend that it's an opportunity. I don't care. Yes, I was signed with a major. Independent, only other people, right now I was sign with a major

because all I know I need is one backing. I know I'm a recoup. So I'm not worried about owning the, I'm doing that now, but I'm looking for that backing. I get that, Jimmy Avine, Dr. J.

Rock Nation backing type. I'm going to go through the roof with this story. I'm in arms fees. Mawsey houses, Saboo. But I'm going to do it anyway. I'm just saying that would be the faster process, get it? So, but once I seen the TV series, I was like, wow.

And I know how people like power. You see my man, shout out my man, Moe, money and violence. Y'all liked it there. I don't know if you ever seen it. They got a tap in if they didn't see it. That's one of a good friend of mine. He got one out. He did good.

They tried to pick him up with stars. You know, he's been in the go. It been out for a while. He tore it up on YouTube. And I said, wow. And when I look at mine, like, mine's only four minutes. It's a sizzle is what I'm pitching. You know, everything else.

Because you notice it costs. But, um, I'm just excited, man, because it's like, it's like, you know, when you see stuff in your head, it's like I already see it. I'm just waiting. It could be tomorrow. And one yes to change your life.

One yes. Well, brother, I appreciate you coming on the show today. Thank you, man. I wish you the best for the future. Thank you, man. And we're definitely going to keep in touch. Anytime you need me or anything, you know, I pull up on you, man. Yeah, definitely, man.

And save travels back to New York. That's a fact. The whole team.