Locked In with Ian Bick - I Was A Cat Burglar – How I Broke Into Rich People’s Homes | Jennifer Gomez

Episode Date: April 4, 2024

Delve into Jennifer Gomez's fascinating journey from ordinary life to sophisticated cat burglar, breaking into nearly 200 homes and accumulating over $7 million. Uncover her ingenious tricks, eventual capture, and the unique challenges of giving birth while serving a 10-year prison sentence. Big thanks to FACTOR for sponsoring this episode. Go to FACTORMEALS.com/lockedin50 and use code lockedin50 to get 50% off your first box plus 20% off your next box while your subscription is active! Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Connect with Jennifer Gomez: https://www.tiktok.com/@jenjen.gomez?lang=en https://youtube.com/@jenjengomez?si=IhbuztL0XtvCwVN1 Creative direction, design, assets, support by FWRD: https://www.fwrd.co Buy Merch: https://lockedinbrand.com Use code lockedin at checkout to get 20% off your order Timestamps: 00:00:00 - Intro 00:07:43 - Growing up Different 00:15:28 - Meeting the Russian 00:22:40 - Becoming a Cat Burglar 00:30:52 - The Decision to Rob Houses 00:38:26 - Breaking into Houses and the Escape Plan 00:45:35 - Escaping the House Alarm 00:53:05 - Caught in the Act 01:00:36 - The Burglary and Escape 01:08:51 - The Neighborhood Burglaries 01:16:28 - Life after prison and nonchalant conversations 01:23:53 - The Business of Selling Pen Pals in Prison 01:31:15 - The Complexity of Relationships 01:39:04 - Being a Single Mom in Prison 01:54:41 - Life after Prison 02:02:57 - Music Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I mean, at least million-dollar homes. Maybe not multi-million because, you know, now we're talking a lot of security, but at least maybe half a million to million-dollar homes. Nice affluent neighborhoods. I would always try to find a home that was in a cul-de-sac so I wouldn't get lost in there or a home that backed up to a street,

not like a main street, but just maybe like a two-way street that was right outside the neighborhood because sometimes I would have to be. to jump a fence. If I had to get out of there quickly, my car was on the other side, and then I'm gone. Rich people always want to advertise all of their security. This home is under surveillance, ADT alarm system stickers, the picket in the front of the yard, like they just want you to know. But for me, that was a good thing, because what you're telling me is you have things to

protect, and now I know there's an alarm system, so I'm going to work around. What is up, guys, and welcome back to the Locked In with Ian Bick podcast. Hope everyone had a wonderful holiday weekend, and I'm so excited. I did to jump into today's episode with Jennifer Gomez. She is a former cat burglar and she is on the show today to share how she used to break into houses stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars from individuals. Her story is absolutely insane. She's built a huge following on social media platforms like TikTok and not only did she get

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Now, sit back, relax, and get ready to lock in with Jennifer Gomez. Jen, welcome to Lockton. Absolute pleasure having you. Thank you. When I saw your page, I was like, how could we not your TikTok, how could we not have you on the show? Because you're like the real life catwoman. Like literally. Thank you. Yeah.

It's not what I started out to be. That's not what I aspired to be. But yeah, that's kind of how it ended up. Who is the actress that played her? Anne Hathaway, right? I think she did one, but no. In The Dark Night. Jennifer Garner did one too.

Okay, I don't think I saw that one. Maybe you're a little too young. Thank you. Already shooting at me for the age. Yes, that's a good thing. It's a compliment. I get shot out all the time when a woman comes on that's older than me. I know.

It's rough. The men don't treat me like that. It's always the woman. I think we're jealous, low-key jealous. Of the baby face? Yeah. Cool. Well, I got something going for me.

You do. I wonder how I'm going to look at 40. I have a feeling it's going to be good. Me? Yeah, I have a feeling it's going to be good. I think I'm going to have the same face because I have an age. I think you're going to have the same exact face.

My face has not aged at all. No, I think you're literally going to have the same exact face. I'm not even kidding. Yeah, it's weird. Well, your girlfriend or wife will be really happy. Actually, I don't know. She might be pissed off because you're... I have a baby face.

Yeah. She's going to age and you're not. Yeah, but it's like, I don't know, it's like a charm, you know, and then you mix in the tats and you've got the face and this and then you're good to go. I haven't seen the tattoos in person, so I think that that might be why I'm not grasping that part yet. That brings out the felon part. Right. I don't know.

That might do something. We got to see those afterwards. Okay. Yeah, we got to get to those. But yeah, I saw your page stumbled across it randomly. You popped up on my 4U page. And I almost didn't message you, email you, because no offense to some of the female creators out there, but they are the most unresponsive people ever.

Like, you can't get a hold of them, some of the bigger ones. Yeah. I have heard that. I shot you an email. You got right back to me. We hopped on a call. And then you told me all the cool projects you've been doing. And I was like, awesome.

We got to have you on the show. And now here we are a couple months later. Yeah. If you do not try to take advantage of all the opportunities and you're not prepared, then you're not going to make it anywhere. So I try to respond. But I checked you out before I responded. And I saw that.

I don't know. Everything you do just looks like there's a lot of love and effort and just genuine commitment behind it. It's not something you just throw out there to make a couple dollars or, you know, get your name out there. It seems like you really put a lot into it. So I was like, this is good. This is good. Not just, you know, for exposure reasons, but like this is somebody that I would want to work with. So I was excited.

Thank you. You can tell. It comes across. It's my passion. This is what I do. This is my life. Like I'm doing it 24-7. Like I'm never not doing this.

And then I have clients that I edit stuff for, too. Yeah, that's what it's up. It's a grind, you know? You know how it is to stand out. Yeah, it's a lot of work. Yeah. It is. But you put a lot of effort into your videos.

Yeah. It's just going to be a little bit different than my first, but at Jen Jen Gomez is probably where they'll want to go. And I'm trying to get out there with my YouTube and do things. I was actually my YouTube, the story behind that was I was going to tell the stories of the women I was incarcerated with because I was at Lowell Correctional where there's death row. It's maximum security. It's the biggest female prison in the U.S. of A. So it's not just Florida. It's just the biggest female prison in the whole United States.

And so I was there with a lot of like notorious people, all the ones you see on SNAPT in 48 hours. and all those things, killer couples. So I tell a lot of stories about those women and what are they really like. And so if you want to check that out, my YouTube is also at Jen Jen Gomez. So just add Jen Gomez everywhere and you will find me. You got the burner account for the TikTok.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Always got to stay strapped and ready. Yes, yes. So where are you from? Where do you grow up? So I actually grew up in Jacksonville, Florida, but we came from Dominican Republic. I came here.

I was about 10, not here, but I came to Jacksonville when I was about 10. And I've been there ever since. So, yeah, I'm a Florida girl. And only child, multiple siblings? No, I have, I'm the youngest of seven. I have three brothers and three sisters. I had a really good upbringing, actually. Like, everyone in my family is very just well to do, put together, walk the straight and narrow.

My mom's a neurologist. My dad's psychiatrist. I went to private schools. I just had a really good, nice life and was a, afforded a lot of good opportunities and kind of just pissed it all away. If we had one of your close friends here with us today from childhood, how would they describe you back then? They would say that I always liked exciting things, that I was always the loud one, the

social one, the one that wanted to do something wild, what was wild to that circle, that group, you know, that demographic. Like, I just always wanted something exciting. And so I was always just very hyper, very talkative, very funny. very animated. I was nice, but I wasn't, people couldn't really get too deep with me. It was all just kind of shallow, superficial. I just, I kind of just rode this wave of this group of people that I was growing up with, but I kind of always felt a little different. No, I know you said that you feel like you had everything in life growing up and whatnot, but looking back on it now,

now that you're older, wiser, you have a child of yourself, do you feel like there was anything internally missing back then? I feel like there, yeah, I definitely feel like there was something internally missing. I feel like there was, you know, I'm the youngest of seven, but the closest sibling to me is nine years older, and my mom had me when she was almost 40. So everybody was very, I mean, there was a lot of age difference between myself and everybody in my household. And so there was a lot of people physically present, but I kind of felt like I was by myself.

and so as to where they all had each other and kind of had a path and an example and a model to don't get me they had they all had like a mold you know a model something to look up to something to kind of aspire and I I didn't so I just kind of was like growing up in a time where you know hip hop was becoming very popular and like you know the sopranos were on like just different things and so I and I didn't have anyone to really I didn't have a sounding board. I didn't have anyone to bounce anything off of. So I was just kind of like out there by myself. I had a lot of material things and a lot of opportunities,

but I was kind of alone. And so, but aside from that, honestly, and no, I mean, my parents were both there. They loved me. I didn't, I cannot sit and say at any point in time that I was like, traumatized or I went through this horrible thing that made me do, like, no. I was just, I just wanted to have fun. Which parent were you closer to?

My mom. Your mom? Yeah. Mom's girl? Yeah, for sure. You know, it's interesting that you, I think it's important that you give that perspective of that. Everything was, for the most part, normal. Yeah.

Because it applies to more people regularly that you ended up in prison for 10 years coming from a normal thing. Like, it could happen to anyone. Well, it's funny you say that because that is part of the reason I started telling my story. Because when people would see me or meet me somewhere, even at my son's school. Like he goes to a private Catholic school. The mom's there. They see me.

They don't know anything about me. When someone does find out, they're generally like their response is always, what? Like, oh my gosh, you don't look like the type. You don't say, like just you don't. I mean, same thing you get, you know. You just don't look like it. And I'm always just baffle because I'm like, what does it look like? Because when I was in prison, I saw a lot of people that looked like me.

And more often than not, they look like me than, you know, in the female prison. It's just somebody that made sometimes just one bad decision and it snowballed or one night they got in a car and made one stupid move and now they're in prison. I mean, there's just so many people that regardless of where you come from, I mean, addiction, crime, stupidity, it does not discriminate. You can be rich. You can be smart. You can be whatever. It doesn't discriminate. You can end up in prison and a lot of people do not know.

They don't see that. So I just like, you know, I can really be like a living example that you can end up in a bad place, coming from a good place, and then still bounce back at the end, and it can come full circle, and you can be all right. You know that the individuals you're describing, like, the Piper Kermans from Orange is the New Black. Yeah. Individuals like yourself, what I've found is those are the people that are most embarrassed

by sharing their story that don't like revealing it. Yeah. So it helps when they see, like, someone like me. Like, I'm the type of person that was so embarrassed when I got out of prison. And I'm sure, yeah, you feel for that too. So by sharing your story on social media. I think it kind of changes the world in a way because then if a mom that went to prison for something like at say a DUI or something that one bad mistake that we're talking about who came from a perfectly normal family, if she can get up and talk about it openly and create something awesome from it, you know, like guys and viewers idolize you on TikTok, like they like your stories. They comment and stuff because it's fascinating.

No, that's a really, actually, that's a really good point. And you said that, you know, people like me, I was super embarrassed. If you actually go back to my TikTok, I started out with makeup and trying to do all that. But then eventually I started telling prison stories like prison rules, prison etiquette, prison this, prison. But I never would say why I went to prison. And people would constantly ask like, why did you go? What happened? What happened?

You won't say why you went. And I could not bring myself to say I was a burglar because it was, it just felt like I was just so ashamed. Like, why? Why? How did I end up there? And it was just too much, there was too much backstory to just get it out there. So, but anyways, I say that to say this. In November, this past November, a few months ago, is the first time I said, I went to prison for 10 years and it's probably one of the videos you saw and I was a cat burglar. And that is what made my page go crazy. And that, and more often than not, the comments were like, wow, good for you. Like, good for turning it around. That's awesome. Versus like, I mean, there's still a people where like, you should get life.

I mean, I'm present. Those people are losers. They're trolls. They got nothing going on, you know? So I'm just hitting the cows. If people hate on another person that's doing well with something that was bad, I know. I know.

Screw them. Like those are the people that are like, you know, once a criminal, always a criminal. You guys never change. And then when you do change, they're like, oh, you should have just stayed in there forever. So, you know, you can't please everyone. But, yeah, when I started telling my story, that's when really everything kind of opened up. And I was like, wow, they do want to know this. They're not looking at me crazy.

And I was more embarrassed because a lot of women in prison, yes, they were like me. They, you know, maybe just made one bad decision. They were a college student, whatever. But even so, the majority of them still had something in their past that you could attribute to why they were, they made that decision, you know, some kind of crutch, something like abuse and assault, you know, a broken home, foster care, something. And I didn't have any of that. So I was like, yeah, it was really hard to. admit that you're just a complete buckup and for absolutely no reason. Did you have any issues with substances at all?

I did. I did. So I kind of have to tell you about the Russian mafia guy. Take us from the top. Yeah. Take us. Well, so did you graduate high school? I did.

I graduated high school. And that was all normal. And that was all normal. Okay. I actually, so I'll start right there. I was at a party when I was 17. and I met this guy. Well, hold on.

My best friend was a Russian girl, okay? And Russians in Jacksonville, they tend to like really stick together. They all know each other. I mean, just like, I guess, you know, a lot of anybody, whatever. Okay. So my best friend, Katie, was Russian. And one night we were at a party. I was 17.

She was 17. And there was a lot of people from the school there from our high school. But there was also a lot of Russians. So there's like a very prevalent Russian community in Jacksonville. And as we were leaving the party that night, Katie and I were walking out. And as we were walking out, I see this guy on this big S-500 Mercedes, and he's just like leaned up against it. And he's like tall and he's got dark hair and he's just got a nice physique. And I'm just like, who is that?

I've never seen him. Like he doesn't go to our high school. He looks a little bit older than us too. So anyways, my best friend Katie said, don't like stay away. Don't do that. Don't go there because he is bad news. Like we all know him in the Russian community. He just came to this country a couple years ago. He is bad news. His family's bad news. So I was really intrigued. I wanted to know who he was. As I left the party, he ended up swerving in front of me and cutting me off. He hadn't said anything to me as I was walking to my car. But he like cut me off and he was like, hey, where are you going? And I was like home? And he was like, you want to go hang out for a little while? And I was like, sure. So I went hung out with him. And then from there, we just started dating. Okay. So the Russian and I, we dated, we talked on the phone. We didn't actually like nothing real big happened. I was in high school.

He was four years older than me. I ended up after about a month losing contact with him. He was completely gone. Like I didn't know where he went. He wasn't answering the phone. Nobody knew anything about him. Nobody could tell me shit. I was pissed.

I was like, damn, did this guy have like a wife or something in Russia? Like, you know, what happened to him? I really liked him. Anyways, he disappeared. Time goes on. He ends up coming back to the country when I'm 22. 23. He ends up finding me. And when he finds me, we like rekindle, we fall in love, all this great stuff. He had a mortgage company. He had a lot of money. He had nice cars. He had a nice home. I'm a little older now.

He's still four years older than me, so he's older. And he just had it going on, man. He was just very successful. So I assume the mortgage company was what, you know, he had a mortgage company He had an audio shop and he had like an after hours pool hall club thing. So I assumed he was rich from all of that or, you know, well off, let's say. And that was it. I didn't think anything of it. I ended up starting to really hang out at the after hours club. One night I tried cocaine.

I did not like it at all. I didn't like how I felt. I'm naturally like hyper. I talk a lot as it is. And so I did not like how I was feeling. I was like thinking that there was like the feds were on the roof. I didn't even know anything about the feds. I was like trying to peep through windows.

It was really creepy. So I was like I need, I don't want to feel like this. I want to feel like myself. So somebody ended up giving me an oxy and that started this addiction to oxies and roxies. And then it just became roxies. But it started this addiction to roxies. I didn't ever try anything else. I really wasn't ever into drugs like that.

But the pain pills, I just, I liked them. I had a thing for them. So that started the addiction. I'm going to spare you all the details of the Russian, but it was crazy. He actually ended up being into a lot more than I knew. He was into like money laundering overseas. He was into bringing cocaine and heroin from New York to Florida. He was in his mortgage company was a front.

It was just a shell company. It was absolutely, there was nothing going on. Like he'd walk in and there was like two chairs, a phone, a computer, and nobody. And one time I asked him, I was like, why is nobody? ever at your office like why you own this company why is never why is there nobody there ever and he's like oh they're always out surveying properties they're buying you know homes had been foreclosed on and i'm like okay that's you know that's what they do whatever okay so um he ends up getting shot one day he calls me i'm at the house we live together now i have nice things i'm very happy life is lavish life

is good i'm i was in college by the way when i met him when i met up with him again when he found me and I dropped out after I got my A I dropped out and I didn't pursue anything else because in my I was in my third year and he when he came back and he was like I was all into him he was like I can take care of you you don't have to do anything so I didn't I left um I left school alone and I was just basically home all the time and just parting I was parting a lot and he called me one day when I was at the house and he was like baby baby I've been shot and that's how he talked he was like baby I've been shot And I was like, what? You've been shot?

What do you mean you've been shot? Because this isn't sound real. I don't even know anybody that's been shot. I'm like, well, because now I'm worried and I'm scared. I'm like, where are you at? And he's like, I'm on San Jose Boulevard. I'm like, well, pull over the nearest gas station. I'm coming to you.

So I get in my car. I go to him. He was. He was shot right here in the arm. So as I get in the car, I go to his car. I park. I see his car. I go into his car.

He's over in the passenger seat now. He's like slumped over. He's holding his arm. He's bleeding a lot, but he's okay. I can tell he's okay. He's going to make it. And I kind of am glancing around the car because at this point, I don't know everything that he's into. And I'm like really trying to assess the situation.

Like, is someone coming for us? Like, is there a car that's about to come shoot us? I don't know. I don't know anything. I don't know him to do anything that's this crazy. So I look in the back and there's like a big bolt, like not a boulder, but like a big piece of cement. And it has blood all over it and like just a bunch of weird step in the car. So I'm like, okay, we need to get out of here.

So we get to the house. I drive his car. I leave my car there. I drive his car back to our house. He gets in the shower. I put a chair in there. He sits in the shower. And basically, he tells me to burn his clothes, get that rock, burn it.

And that's when I started finding out everything that he was into. So I ended up, the house that we had was in my name under the guise of that, you know, my credit. We were going to build my credit and stuff. But with that company that he had, he was actually buying these four clothes homes. and this was like a relatively petty crime. He was taking out like all the appliances and things and then burning it or just anything to collect the insurance, vandalism, whatever. The police and the feds were after him. They raided the house.

I didn't really know everything about everything at this point. They got these appliances that were in the garage that the insurance company had paid for and all this stuff. So then they started, they arrested us both. The house is in my name. They start questioning me about all this stuff that has to do with him. I don't know anything about anything that they're asking me. I don't. I'm going to get in trouble for these appliances and I know it.

I probably would have just gotten probation, but he ended up fleeing the country. He came. Part of my deal was I was going to get probation and I was going to go to rehab. I was in the rehab. He showed up at the rehab. The last week I was there and he was like, I'm fling the country. I'm going to Russia. He had federal charges for heroin for bringing heroin from New York to Florida.

He was like, do you want to come with me? And I'm not going to lie. I kind of wanted to go. but I was like, I don't know the language. I'm not going to be completely dependent on you. So I did not go. I stayed. When I stayed, this is when my life of crime started

because I was still addicted to pills and I was still addicted to money and everything. And my mom, you know, I'm in my mid-20s at this point. My parents are well off, but they're not going to, they're not shoveling cash my way. And also they know I have an addiction and they know I'm in rehab and I'm just getting out. They know that I was with this crazy Russian.

They're not just going to start forking over money. And I don't really have anything of my own yet because everything was tied to him. So I decided that I was going to do what I knew how to do and what I had learned from him. And that was burglarized. And so that was how I was going to feed my habit because pills were expensive at this point. I mean, they started like $8 a pill and then they started going towards $20 a pill. And so, but I didn't have the muscle anymore. And I didn't have the weapons.

And I didn't have him, you know. and I didn't have, I just had me and I'm not threatening and I don't look scary and I just, how am I going to, how am I going to come into large sums of money without holding someone up with the weapons? So I was like, okay, I hatched a plan. I made a checklist, how I'm going to break into homes, what I'm going to do to make sure it's successful, how to find the homes that were the right ones, that were going to be profitable. And every day I would wake up like a job, a couple, three, four days. days a week. I would get up, five, six in the morning. I would go. I would find the area I was going to

target. I would have my checklist. I would be dressed a certain way. And then I would, you know, I'd feed my habit. I'd live and I made a lot of money doing that. I made a lot of money like that. Do you think that had you asked your parents for the money or help or told them what was going on, your life would have ended out differently? Like, do you think they would have helped you and this could have saved you? Yeah, for sure. I think if they, if I would have told them 100% they would have helped me. But the problem was that I wasn't looking for that kind of help. Like the only help they could have offered me at that point was a rehab. And I still had this, I don't know what I was lacking, but I had this thing where I wanted this excitement, this crazy chaos. And I was confusing

toxicity and things that were bad with excitement. And I was like, you know, There were plenty of people in my life who would have helped, who were nice, who were good men, good women, good friends, good family men. Nothing got to me the way that a powerful person did. And the powerful people I was meeting were also corrupt and did illegal things. And, you know. So it all started with the Russian. I've been eating factor meals weekly for almost a year now. And it's a 10 out of 10 for me.

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Absolutely. And I think that's what I got into trouble about because I was always around shitty people that didn't have the same work ethic weren't in my best interests. Yep. It's like and now I'm around people that want to be around me and don't necessarily need something from me. Right. So it's such a different feeling. Yeah. It's definitely who you surround your.

yourself with is going to be one of the biggest factors in determining what direction you go in. I mean, and that's from a kid when you're influenced as, you know, at school, as a teenager, in your 20s, even, I mean, like now, even in your 20s, 30s, 40s. Like, it is a huge factor because literally you cannot be around. I really think like speaking things and manifestation and believing things is, I think it has a lot of value and power. And literally just being around people who are not like-minded, people. who want things from you.

People, you can't tell me that you're not going to start thinking and doing the same things. I had no interest in becoming a cat burglar. And by the way, I say cat burglar. People are like, why do you say cat burglar? It's because there's like an element of stealth to a cat burglar versus someone who throws a rock through your window, runs out with your laptop, and takes it to the pawn shop. It's not what I was doing. So I say cat burglar because I was in your neighborhood. I talked to people.

They saw me and no one could ever point me out or even say that, hey, it was this woman or this girl. Like they, so that's why I say cat burglar for the record. But, yeah, like, I never would have said, hey, I'm going to, I want to wake up and be a cat burglar. This is what I'm going to do. No, it was because I was with my Russian, and he's dead, by the way. But anyway. Oh, wow. He got murdered last year.

Oh, my. In the States? Yeah. So he came back. Yeah, I never. So he never went to prison. Listen, I would not talk about him. I would only just say, like, the Russian and I would be very, like, shallow and superficial with it.

but when he died, I was like, okay, it's all good now. Yeah, so because, you know, I want to... Now, is he the father of your kid or... No, listen. We'll get into that. Okay, this is like the little Cliff Snopes' notes version of it. Basically, he did flee the country, and he went to Turkey, and he hid out there for a long time. I got, you know, I got a 10-year sentence, and around my 6th, 7th year in, I get a call-out to classification, and it's a legal call-out.

And usually when you get a legal callout, it's because you're either fighting your case and it's your attorney wanting to do something or it's some sort of detectives or somebody like that trying to ask you questions or pin new charges on you. So I was infighting my case. I'm like, why do I have a legal call out at classification? I was tripping. So I get down there and it's this PI on behalf of an attorney. And the PI is there within affidavit that they want me to fill out and sign and basically clearing the Russian of, of anything that was attached to my crimes because he wanted to come back into the country because his father was sick. And I was like, and it pissed me off because literally you know, you knew where I was this whole time.

You knew I was right here at this address at prison. And you never bothered to write and be like, hey, are you okay? Are your cookies getting taken? Are you eating? Do you need $5? Yeah. Like, do you need it? Are you okay?

Okay. Like nothing. But then you send a whole ass person to see me and ask me to get you off the hook for a step that he wasn't even on the hook for myself. The stuff I went, it was like online. But he didn't know that because he fled initially in the early stages when it was just the appliances. He didn't know I went on to become a cat burglar. So he wanted me to do him a favor and you didn't even, yeah, he didn't even ask about my cookies or anything. Like, why would you not even want to know about my well-being knowing that you were the catalyst to this entire situation?

I'm not putting the blame on, okay, let's be real. It wasn't his fault that all this happened because obviously I was looking for something that was exciting. And if it wouldn't have been him, it probably just would have been something else in someone else or just something else and me alone. But I don't know that I would have gone that far, that fast, that deep ever had it not been for him. So, yeah, I feel like you can check on me. This sounds literally like a scene from a TV show. Yeah, well, it felt like it because I was so. sitting there like you're kidding right yeah i mean you're actually asking me to sign this sworn

affidavit getting him off the hook for stuff that he's not even in my case and no no no i feel like most like if i've known woman that you know when they're they want money when they're they need money or they're they're in a similar situation like you were the last thing on their mind is committing burglaries they're thinking of like in this day and age only fans or sending nudes or anything like that or hustling a man, whatever, you know, finding a fake boyfriend, a sugar daddy. I'm sure they had sites like that. And they did. What was it for you back then that your mind just triggers crime, you know, like burglary?

Yeah. I, it's, that's crazy because everything you've stated, anything that a woman can use to get money quickly, especially for men, it's pretty solid. It's legit. It works and it's fast. But I have this huge issue that I can't fake the funk. Like, I cannot pretend to want to hang out with you, to like you, to be attracted to you, to sleep with. I can't anything.

I can't fake wanting to anything with you, even sit in a room with you. I made the cut. Just to, well, yeah, I mean, you're cute. But I can't fake it and then get something in return. Like, I can't. I'll be, I'll get disgusted. very quickly. And I know that this all sounds good.

Like, oh, like, you know, but it's true. Like, I just cannot. I had a friend one time. She was in high school. I was a little bit older than her. She was, she worked at a strip club. And it was weird because she was like a church. Her family was like church people.

And anyways, she did this on the side. Nobody knew about it. But she was really good. She made a lot of money. And she was like, right? She was like a senior in high school. So she took me one day with her. And she was like, all you got to do is sit at the bar.

And these guys will pay like 500 bucks. She have a conversation with. them, I couldn't even do that because the first guy was so greasy and I was so disgusted that I couldn't sit there anymore because I couldn't even focus on the conversation. I was looking at everything. So I knew it wouldn't work. And I was like, I don't have the energy, the time, the fakeness, that I can't fake the funk and put all of this into getting this from a guy and hoping it'll work when I can just do this

and I know I can do this, like for sure. I was, yeah. I mean, they didn't have only fans back then. They had sites. They had like, you know, like Craigslisty stuff like that where you could escort and do stuff. But if you ball smell, I'm going to be pissed. Just stuff like that.

Like, you know what I mean? Your balls smell? Yeah. Like, no, I remember. I hooked up with this guy once I'm in high school. And there was some weird stuff going on. And I was like... But there's no way to know about that before you do so.

Exactly. My point, exactly. So I wasted all this time, planning to meet up with you, meeting up with you, and then your ball stink. And now I don't have any money because I'm disgusted. I've made a face and I've left because I've gagged. No.

No. At least you're honest. There's nothing worse of the people that aren't honest and they fake it and then everything like that, you know. Yeah. I just felt like robbing was better. All right. So walk us through an entire burglary. Like from the beginning, the stakeout, how you pick the place, the whole thing.

Yeah. So the stakeout was actually not really a big part of it. I rarely ever saw a home prior to breaking in and thought I'm going to come back. Like it was just, it was 99% of the time a crime of opportunity. However, I did have some things in place. So in order to ensure that the home was going to be a lucrative hit and that I was going to get something out of it, obviously nobody knows for sure. But to the best of my ability, I always wanted homes that were nice. I mean, at least million-dollar homes.

Maybe not multi-million because, you know, now we're talking a lot of security, but at least maybe half a million to million-dollar homes. Nice affluent neighborhoods. I would always try to find a home that was in a cul-de-sac, so I wouldn't get lost in there or a home that backed up to a street, not like a main street, but just maybe like a two-way street that was right outside the neighborhood. Because sometimes I would have to jump a fence if I had to get out of there quickly. My car was on the other side,

I've gone. I always wanted like shrubbery, bushes, landscape, which wealthy people, they usually fall. And let me just say this. I knew a lot of things about how wealthy people lived because my parents are both physicians. And so I lived in a nice neighborhood. I know what my parents did. I know what my friends' parents did. It's kind of the same thing. They all kind of do the same thing. So I know that they're going to have a nice landscape. They're going to have things in shrubbery and trees and things that I can hide behind. They're probably going to have a privacy fence. of some kind. I can hide behind that. When I get in their backyard, I'm completely concealed. Everybody has an alarm that has money. I feel like if you have an alarm, you have something worth

protecting. So I would always try to make sure there's an alarm. And rich people always want to advertise all of their security. This home is under surveillance, ADT alarm system stickers, you know, just everything everywhere, the picket in the front of the yard. Like, they just want you to know. But for me, that was a good thing, because what you're telling me is you have, you have things to protect. And now I know there's an alarm system, so I'm going to work around it. I can see if the motion sensors are on. I can see if the alarm is even on because you can just look right through a window or the door and see if it's red or green. You know, you can see if it's armed or not. So there's a lot of things that you can tell from the outside of a home that will

give a burglar a lot of information. And that's why I always tell people, like stop advertising everything that's going on in your house and with your house. So I would always look for shrubbery, a privacy fence, a cul-de-sac, very nice. neighborhoods, at least half a million dollar, if not million dollar homes, some sort of advertisement that's security, that there's a security system in place, I always, for the most part, if I can help it, try to make sure that there's an animal in the house. A lot of rich people will say, in case of fire, please save my cat or dog. They have the sticker for the fire department on the front door. That's good for me. Rich people don't crate their animals. They let them walk around.

Golden retrievers are not, you know, pit bulls in the cage. Golden retrievers walking around the house. So I know that if your dogs walking around the house, your motion sensors are not on. So I can walk around your house freely. So all I have to do is break a window and not separate a magnet and then I'm in there. Your dog's not going to scare me. If I know there's a dog or I always brought some kind of food, I would bring steak. I'd bring chicken.

I'd have a sandwich in the car. If there's a dog that does look a little scary, I'm giving it food and I promise he's fine. Like unless he's like a Belgian Malinois or something that's trained to eat me, he's eating the sandwich, I promise. He's not going to get me. I'd take him to a room. I'd shut that door, leave him in there, and I'd go about my business. I only really need to go into the master bedroom and office and maybe, maybe like if there's another guest room or something like that. But the master bedroom in the office is really the only places you need to go.

So I would look for all of those things. Once I could find, oh, and the day, the day is important. I would really prefer, and I, you know, in Florida, there's a lot of rain and a lot of humidity, so that's very common. I would prefer that it's a rainy or at least drizzling because people are not outside. They're not gardening. They're not mowing their grass. There's not landscapers. There's not anyone jogging in the neighborhood.

There's not a mom pushing her baby. Like, they're just not out. And even if they are somewhere they can see me, there's like rain droplets on the window. So they really don't know what they're looking at. I got a very average car. I got a silver and polished. Chevy and Paula, just a silver Chevy and Paul. It's into the windows. So average.

You know, I don't know many wealthy people that would be able to point that car out and say what it is. Like a police car, maybe. Like, they don't know. And what are you wearing? So, that was another aspect of it. I always made sure to wear scrubs and pull my hair back and I didn't wear any makeup. I try to look as young as possible. And I always wear scrubs because I had this, I was there with this, under this ruse that

I was a med spa for dogs. like I'm here to pick up Rufus and Sammy to go to the med spa or to the pet spa. I love med spa. But to the pet spa. You know, groomers that come and pick them up and stuff. So I look the part when I'm wearing these scrubs and I'm knocking on these people's door because that's the next part. So if I find a home, right, I don't scope it out prior. I make sure that it at least has an alarm.

Hopefully the alarm is set. Hopefully there's an animal walking around. Hopefully it's raining. And if some of those factors aren't in play, it's okay. but that's what I look for. I wear the scrubs. I always wore a shoe that was either one size too big

or one size too small. I just got that from TV straight up. I don't know if anyone ever got my shoe print, but I stepped in people's dirt. So if they did, it wasn't my shoe print. And I always had gloves on. Then I had a little purse and I had tools in it.

So I would knock on the door. That was the first thing. Knock, knock, knock, like relentlessly knocking on the door. If they did not answer, if they did answer, let's just say they did answer. Let's go there first.

I'm not breaking in. Obviously, they're home. So if they did answer, I'd be like, hey, I'm here to pick up Sammy and Rufus for the pet spa, you know, da-da-da. And of course, they're going to say, you have the wrong house. And I'd be like, oh, is this the Robinsonsons? Is this the Smiths? Just like some very generic, common average name. And they'd be like, no.

And I'd be like, oh, gosh, okay, I'm so sorry. Let me go back to my car and, you know, call my boss and whatever. And I'd leave. Sometimes I'd leave the neighborhood, depending on how big the neighborhood was. Sometimes I wouldn't. Now, if they didn't answer, I still wanted to make sure, like, what if they're in the shower or something? So I'd go around, and I'd go to their privacy fence. I'd open it.

I'd climb it. I'd jump over the bush, whatever. And I'd get in the backyard, and I'd start knocking on windows. Knocking on windows. Now I've changed up. I've changed my spiel. Because I'm not in your yard for Sammy and Rufus, because that's like a hell of a determined pet spot if they're in your backyard and pick up your dogs. So now I have to change it up.

So now I'm knocking on the window because nobody's answer. And I'm like, Miss Barbara, Miss Sarah, you in there? And I'm knocking. And I'm trying to really look desperate. Because if someone greets me in their backyard and they come out there, I have to have a really good story as to why I'm in your backyard. That's just a hell of weird. So I'm like, Miss Sarah, Miss Suzanne, hey, are you in there?

Hey, open up. Come to the door. Your daughter wanted me to check on you. She's at work. She couldn't come. So basically the story was if somebody came out that your daughter wants to, wanted me to come check on you, do like a wellness check, let's, so to say, because you're not answering the phone, you're elderly, and I had a break, so she asked me to come. I'm her good friend.

Now, if someone came out, obviously, it's not Ms. Sarah or Ms. Susan's house either, but I'm going to say again, oh my God, I'm so sorry. You know, it's my friend's mom, and I'm trying to check on her, make sure she's okay. She's elderly. They're not going to get mad at that point because I'm trying to do a nice thing. So if they do not answer, if they answer a window or a door, they come to the backyard, that's what I would say, go about my business. But if they don't, then I would go and I would find a window. I try to find the master bedroom window. And, you know, I kind of, I knock a little, I tap it, try to see if it's tempered glass, if it's not, if it's hurricane windows, if it's not.

Depending on what kind of window it is, it's going to shatter differently. But all in all, I got a tool from a hardware shop and it cuts glass. It makes like an outline. It doesn't cut through, but it makes like an outline. Did I miss it? No, you're good. It makes like an outline And when it makes the outline

It has like a little hammer attached to it and then you tap it and it falls So either like fallout has a little suction thing You can suck it out or it'll just shatter and you know it's tempered glass it'll shatter And then it just kind of falls into the screen and then I just pull the screen off and put it to the side I go in I make sure the hole is big enough I'm not like a huge person so I just like kind of tiptoeing through the hole And hopefully the alarm doesn't go off you know because sometimes people have a thing where the motion detectors are on in the room but not like in the living roomers which is so smart by the way Hey, people, if you ever have an alarm system, turn the motion sensor off in your room.

Just shut that door, don't let's dog, and turn it on your room. Because if somebody comes in there, it'll go off immediately when it senses motion. So, anyways, I would walk, I would go through a little hole. I would walk in hopefully the master bedroom wherever I'm at, and I start looking around. I try to scope things out. First thing I do when I get into a house and I've broken in is I go and I lock the garage door. I lock the garage door because, generally speaking, from what I've seen in my house and in other people's homes, people don't lock their garage door like the door that leads from the garage to the inside of their house

they usually go in through their garage they're like jean that garage opens they go in they park and then they walk in their door that door is never locked only the locked is the front door so basically i feel like if i lock that door all here commotion because people are going to be like what the hell why is my door you know who locked the door um and that has worked but so i go and lock that door and then i start like grummaging and doing things. And from there, I find what I need to find. I look for cash. I look for gold. And then I get the hell out of there. And, you know, everything's always been pretty okay. You never had like a close call situation? Hell yeah, I've had a close call. Give us that one. Horrible. I've had like three or four close calls. So I had, um, this story is crazy, but I had a story

where I pulled a safe out of the house. And I just knew this safe had like, I swore it had a million in it. I felt it in my soul. I just knew I could retire that day, at least for a little while, for like 10 years. So I'm like, how the hell am I going to get this safe out of this house? I've broken in. I've succeeded everything, but I cannot lift this safe up and get it out the hole that I came in. I cannot do it. So the only way I can get this safe out is to drag it out. So I get a sheet and I drag it through the house. I mean, I'm dragging it over these marble tile floors and I'm just like dragging it to the front door. But now I have a problem because I have to open the front door to get it out. If I open the front door, the alarm's going to go off. The alarm goes

off. The police are going to come eventually. They don't come very, they don't come quickly. But basically, I have a good 45 seconds before it starts going, woo, woo, woo, so I'm scared. So I go back out the window. I go to my car. I back the car up all the way to the front door. Ian, I'm telling you, it was the craziest. I don't know. People are crazy. Perception is a mother. I'm telling you because my car, this silver Impala, not a glamorous car, was backed up all the way to these people's front door over their grass, over their sidewalk, up to their front door with the trunk open and with the back doors both open. So imagine seeing that, like how odd that looks. Why am I? I'm in their lawn.

I'm over their lawn. Okay, anyways. So I open the door and I'm pulling the sheet. And now the sheet's not gliding as smoothly anymore because it's grass and it's cement now and it's not gliding. So it's taking a little longer. I get to my trunk and I'm like trying to get into my trunk with all my might and soul. But I'm putting it in my foot. I'm putting it on my knee.

I can't. I can't lift it. So I'm like, okay, let me go to the back door. Because the back door, like the floor part, it's a little lower than the trunk. So at least I think I can roll it in there, which I am able to. But as I'm dragging from the trunk to the back door, I see out my peripheral this movement. And I kind of like look, like I side eye and I see a man and a woman. It looks like a woman's a little further behind it, but the man's a little bit close.

And I'm like, fuck. Because the guy is looking at me because now the alarm has started going off behind me. So I'm dragging a bed sheet with a safe on it, a car that y'all don't recognize, pulled up to these people's front door, backed up with the trunk open. And the alarm in the background is going, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo. And I'm like, oh my God, this is really bad. Okay, what am I going to do? So I pull my cell phone out. And I'm like, Mom, I cannot believe this.

I'm home from college. You got me doing this crap. I don't remember the alarm code. The alarm's going off. I'm trying to bring the safe to your office. I can't even lift it. And I'm trying to say this all really loud so that it looks like I'm just like the daughter of these people who's having this chaotic situation. And it's just going crazy.

And it worked because as I put the thing in my pocket, as I put the phone in my pocket, because now, you know, I kind of have to acknowledge this guy because I see he's getting closer. I look over. We catch eye contact. And he's like, hey, sweetheart, you need some help. with that and I'm like, no, sir, I'm fine. Thank you. I'm good. Stay over there. And so at that point, he's like, okay. And I'm like, but still, I mean, it's only a matter of time. You know, I have a couple minutes. But yeah, I got it in the back seat. And there was not a million dollars, by the way. There was like passports and birth certificates and, you know, marriage. You were able to get into the

safe. I did. I had a safe guy. I used to pay him. We had a deal like, hey, you just open it. You don't look in it, you know, you just give it back to me. I pay you and that's it. Whether there's a cardboard box in it or a million dollars, you don't know and it's not your business, you just, I pay you and that's it. He opened it and it was just a lot of paperwork, important paperwork. So that was a big risk for nothing. Big risk for nothing. I went back to their house like four days later and returned their papers. I felt bad. It was like birth certificates, socials. Like, I felt guilty. I felt bad. So where do you leave it in the mailbox? In the mailbox? That was nice. That's good karma right there. Yeah. Yeah.

Man, I don't know. I was like, man, this is these people's entire life right here on paper. It's like deeds to homes, like all their kids. You know, it just felt wrong. So, but it was a very, it was very eye-opening because in that moment it was like, holy hell, because of my appearance, I can really commit an entire felony in your face and you can offer to help me do it. And you'll never think twice about it. and it's because of the way I look and I'm a female. Isn't that wild?

It's wild. No. Because if it was a guy with saggy pants and like gold teeth, any race, they would have called the cops immediately. I blocked him off. But with me, they're offering to help and it's insane. And what were you late 20s or early 20? I was like 27. 27.

But I have another one where someone actually walked into the house. I have two where someone walked in. and one of them I walked in or I went into the house and I actually was in the master bedroom when I broke in and I went I was in the master bedroom and I was looking through the first drawer and I was kind of scoping because one thing about wealthy people is they generally keep a large sums of money in case there's like a hurricane and the banks closed or something crazy so they're going to have like five 10 20 grand in a bank envelope in a stock drawer or in a closet in a purse like it's never fails never so I'm going through this first drawer and I see a gun. I know I don't want to touch the gun because, for one, I mean, I don't have any business touching it. But if you touch a gun during a burglary, it becomes an armed burglary. You don't have to bring the gun in. You don't have to take the gun out.

If you touch the gun during a burglary and there's nobody around, even if you moved it, it's an armed burglar which raises it from a second-degree felony to a first-degree felony. So did you just yawn with your mouth closed? No, I just like, I swallowed. It wasn't like a yawn. Oh, man, that's talent. No, it's like a I don't know, I do it a lot Like it's like a swallow

I was like damn He's like hardcore yawning over there But not even moving No you're good So It's very entertaining, don't worry I was like, oh good I was like fuck

Because I see your eyes doing like Sometimes and I'm like fuck Let me change the story up No no no Ignore my eyes It's got nothing to do with it Okay So and I'm trying to have energy too maize

I'm fucking exhausted You're doing great You're killing it So So I'm in this house and I'm going through the drawers and because I know not to touch the gun for those reasons, I take the gun and I move it aside. I just put it on the dresser and I move it aside. And I start finding little random things. Like I start finding some gold and stuff.

And my thing is I melt gold down and I melted into five ounce gold bricks. Now I call them bricks. People assume bricks are huge. They're bars. It's comparable to like the size of a business card. Okay. It's five ounce. That's how much a five ounce.

gold bars. So I used to melt the gold down. I used to melt it in five-ounce gold bars. I had the template. I used to use a guy's machine, his refinery, and this was back, you know, years ago when refineries were not that popular. And I used to pay him to use his machine. He had nothing to do with my crimes. And that was it. Then I used to take the gold bars and I used to sell him to gold collectors online or in person. So that was my thing. So I was looking for gold in cash. That's it. Unless I was trying to find a safe that had a million dollars. That didn't. But so I'm in this house and I'm getting some things. And for some reason that day, because I had different purses that I would take because, you know, I don't want to, I need something to put the things in. But I also don't want to have like a suitcase because I'm there under this guys of the dog, you know, the dog spa. So I basically had this little purse. And for some reason, the purse was a little smaller that day than normal. I don't know what I grabbed, but it was smaller. And there was paperwork in it. And the paperwork happened to be probation paperwork that I had from my old case with the appliance. So I was on, I got probation for this case that I had with these appliances that were in the garage.

And I had these papers in there that were linked to my probation. That thing drug out in court for a while, but finally it was done and that's what, you know, I got probation. I had these papers. I took them out because they were in the way. So I take the papers, excuse me, I take the papers out of the purse so that I can accommodate all the things I'm going to get. And I put it on the dresser next to the gun. And as I'm going through things, I turn to go towards the, towards the closet. closet because the closet is to my left. And as I'm doing all of this, all of a sudden I hear,

Hey, what are you doing? In like the deepest of deep linebacker, holy hell voice. And I'm like, my back is to the door frame. So I turn around slowly. And there is the linebacker. He's a linebacker. This man has to be like, I mean, I was younger. So maybe he just looked huge. No, no, hell, no. That man was like 6.3 and a good solid 300 pounds. He's in the door flame. He's blocking the whole door frame. And so I know I can't get past him. And he's like, what are you doing?

And I can see the confusion because like, what fuck am I doing? You know what I'm saying? I look like this little girl and it's how like, what am I doing? So I don't, I promise you, I had never said this. I had never planned to say this. I had never thought in this situation. If I run into a guy alone, I'll say this, never. Somehow, out of nowhere comes out of my mouth.

I'm a juvenile. Don't touch me. Don't touch me. I'm a juvenile. Don't touch me. And I just kept repeating it. Don't touch me. I'm a juvenile.

Don't touch me. I'm a juvenile. And, I mean, he didn't know what to do. And my thing was, like, I wanted to really freak him out because you're in this house alone. I'm in this house alone. And who are they going to believe? You know what I'm saying? And so, like, it was, okay, I know it was fucked up.

Okay, I get it. But, like, I had to get out. So I'm saying this and I'm backing up, backing up, and I'm backing up. And I keep saying, I'm a juvenile. Don't touch me. I'm only a juvenile. Don't touch me. And I can see that he's getting more and more confused as to why

the hell there's a juvenile in his bedroom with a shattered window and his stuff looks rummaged through you know like it was weird so i back up finally i hit the back i hit the wall my back hits the wall and i know now i'm next to the window because i mean i'm in the room i know what the layout looks like i've been in there a good 10 minutes so i hit the bed i hit the wall and i know the window's right next to me and as i'm doing this he has not moved out of the door frame but i know there's a gun on that dresser he knows it's in the drawer um i don't know this i'm freaked out i'm scared a lot of things could go wrong here. I turn around. I haul ass. I get out the window. Boom. I make it. I'm gone. I make it to my car. In this scenario, I had parked on the other side of a fence. So I had jumped the fence.

I had gotten into my car. I was gone. Baby, I was gone. I was, I was, woo. I was out of there. I was like, okay. But the papers are on the dresser. I'm good. Can you just hold on for one second? Okay. Well, it's exciting. So I'm literally driving. I'm like a mile down the road. And I'm like, damn let me um see what i got because i did grab a couple things you know so i go i look over and i look at the purse and i'm going to grab it and as soon as i look at the purse i'm like oh fuck the papers the papers that were supposed to be back in my purse are not in my purse because they're on the guy's dresser the papers that are probation papers if you know anything about probation papers they have all your information you're not getting away so in that moment i start slowing down my car

and I'm like, okay, I have two options. I can either not go back and 100% get caught because he's going to find the papers eventually. Or, and at best maybe have like a couple days of freedom. Or I can turn around. I can try to go back in and I have a 50-50 shot. I might make it and I might get the papers and I might make it and I might get slammed. I don't know. So I'm taking the 50-50.

because I have to try. Like if I don't, I'm just caught. I'm just fucked. It's done. It's done. Mind you, I'm on probation too for the other thing. So I'm violating and I have new charges. Not good.

So turn around, skirt. I go back. I park in the same, basically the same area, but a little further down. So it was backyards and there was like a privacy fence and then that backed up to a street, but it wasn't in like a main road or anything. It was like a little two-way street. So there was like a little like shoulder of that two-way street. It wasn't even a shoulder.

It was like a little maybe like a bike lane or something. I put my blinkers on me and I put that thing, the car right there. I got out. I didn't jump his fence because I didn't know where he was, but I jumped his neighbor's fence. Now in his neighbor's backyard from there, I can hear this man who I assume is this man because he's a loud, deep voice, very deep voice. I can hear him describing me and describing the scenario. So I'm assuming he's on the phone with the police.

which is good because now I know not only is he outside, but I have a couple minutes. There's no active threat. I'm not in the house. I don't have a weapon. I know the cops in this area. They're not coming right away, sir. They're coming in like an hour. So I know I have some time, but even better, I know he's outside. So I'm like, all right, bet, good. So I jump the fence that goes into his yard from his neighbor. I go in through the window. I get my papers and I go back out through the window. And I'm thinking everything is on my side right now. Now, like, this could not get any better. Like, things couldn't get any better.

So, for some reason, I don't jump his fence to go back to my car because it's a little further down. So I just, like, I'm a creature of habit, so I just went the same way that I came in. I jumped the neighbor's fence. And as I'm pretty casually walking to the back of his fence to jump to the street, all of the sudden, boom, I get slammed. And I hit the ground. And I'm on the grass.

And I'm like this. And I can't see anyone. but there's somebody very big on top of me. And I'm like, this cannot be walking happening. Number one, and I'm really confused because I'm in the neighbor's yard. You both have privacy fences. I know your big ass did not get from where I just heard you in 30 seconds while I got these papers all the way to me without me hearing a fence open or something.

So I kind of look and I hear a man start saying, I don't know the guy's saying, Harry or Henry, I got her, Henry, I got her. And I'm like, so he grabs me up like this. And Henry comes flying around the corner from the fence part, grabs my other arm. And now I look, and it's this tall, skinny black guy and the big huge white guy that was in the doorframe. And I don't know how the fuck Henry told dude about me in the three minutes I was gone. I don't know what transpired because I never saw him again. I mean, you know, I went to jail.

This is the time you got arrested? I got arrested that day. Holy fuck. And then a dude that tackled me, the neighbor, the Good Samaritan, then he tried to hit on me after the fact. And he was like, hey, you're pretty cute. You know, can I call you when you get out? I'm like, bitch.

Just got me caught. I would have faked the funk on that day. I would have faked the funk that day for that. You would have got down for that. I'd been like, yes. Did you offer? No, I was pissed. I would have.

If I was at that position, I would have been like, you know, I'll do whatever I got to do. Listen, I'm not going to lie. I would not have been above offering had he not already called Henry. But Henry was already there. Like everything, the cops were coming. Like, he had already outed me. It's not like he tackled me. And then was like, hold on, let me check you out first before I call Henry.

So what they do, hold you until the cops came? Did they tie you up or something? No, they just held each arm. And I wiggled a little. What do you do? Are you talking about? No, I was pissed. They kept asking me, the guy, Henry, whatever his name was, he kept asking me like,

hey, what, you know, why did you break my house? What did you do? Why did you say you're a juvenile? Are you a juvenile? How did you get here? Who are you with? Just question after question, but I wasn't saying anything. Do you ever think about what would have happened if you didn't go back and maybe you could

have still been on the lamb to this day? No, I actually never have because I'm just, I'm not a runner. I don't like, I don't think I would ever be able to cope with feeling like I'm being chased and have to live like that. I don't think I could do it. I think I'd turn myself in at some point just because I'd be, I'd, I'd go nuts having to look over my shoulder all the time. Wow.

What a way to go down. Damn, tell me about it. That's such a shitty situation because either way you look at it, you were kind of screwed. I know. Well, I mean, if dude didn't tackle me, I very well would have just made it out and been fine with my papers because I got my papers. Well, I'm saying whether you went back or not was the risk, you know, if you carried it either way.

Absolutely, absolutely, yeah. Yeah, yeah, for sure. So the cops arrest you and take you in. So they arrested me. They took me away. And then there was another time. I mean, this one wasn't as scary as that one, but I was actually in the house. And when I locked the garage door, I had broken in, everything was going, you know, peachy, squeaky clean, what's that saying?

Squeaky clean? No, everything was going peachy. Peachy keen? Just peachy. No, isn't it just peachy? No, there's something. I call it just peachy. Oh, well, I guess.

I guess you don't know either. Is this another young joke? Jeez, Louise. Oh, God. Okay, everything was going peachy keen. So, yeah, everything was fine. Like, I was in the house. was good. I was golden. But

all of the sudden, I start hearing like grocery bags and people talking. It sounds like a kid and a mom and I'm like, am I tripping? Like, is there a TV on in this house? What is going on? So I come out of the room I'm in, which is the master room. And when you come out of the master room,

oh God, I'll never forget it. There's like a long hallway. Don't break the mic. You break it, you buy it. Ian, I literally tapped it on accident. Like for 10 times already now. I understand. Well, you got somebody to talk to their hands. Shit.

Yeah, we got to tie those hands down the table, tape them down. Here we go. Okay. So. It's okay. If you hit it, I'm just teasing. So, yeah, I'm in this house and everything's good. And I'm, I come down this long hallway because I'm hearing people and I'm like shitting

bricks, but I'm also thinking that there's no way that they're in the house without me knowing. I didn't even hear a ding ding, ding when a door opened. So I'm like, maybe an, not an Alexa, but like something came on. Like, they didn't have that shit back then. Something came on. And so I'm walking out there. And all of the sudden, I see a boy, like a teen-aged-ish boy, like a 15-year-old boy, walk across this hallway from the garage door into the kitchen.

And I'm at the end of the hall walking towards them, like with a little bit of distance. And I'm like, so I like stop and I freeze. And I get behind this pillar, this column that they had. They had these columns all over this house. And him and the mom are bringing in groceries. And I'm like, I don't want to go back. Oh, and this was the worst part. I'm in this house.

My car is in their driveway. They have this long, I'm talking like, it had to be like a quarter mile long driveway. It was ridiculous. My car is in their driveway, but you can fit like three cars in their driveway, like next to each other's, like horizontally. So I'm in one of the lanes, and I don't know who they thought that car belonged to or what was going on. But eventually they were going to notice broken glass. And then they're going to tie it together with the car and start looking for somebody. So I need to get out of there, but I cannot, I'm not going backwards.

I'm not going back into that room and going through everything I just went through. I need to get to the front door or to the garage door and get out because that's what I'm closest to. So I'm hiding behind these pillars and I shit you not in. As these people are walking, it's like we were dancing. I'm like sliding across the pillars. I'm like gliding behind it as they're rolling around it. And finally I did make it to the front door. I opened the front door and I just hot ass and ran.

And as I got in my car and I was reversing, I was backing up like this, I saw it. the lady come to the door and start screaming, but, I mean, I was out of there by then. And, yeah, it was... How many burglaries do you think you've committed over your career? And how many years did it span? I mean, like, my actual rap sheet, if you look it up, which is, I mean, anybody can look up anything. I don't know why people lie about their stuff.

It's all public record, okay? However, my rap sheet, I think there's like 30 on there, something, burglaries. And how much money? But to be fair, in court it was over like 200. This went on from about 2008. Yeah, because that's what my first, when you look at my record, my first offense date is 2008 to 2011. So I'm in high school and you're starting to just. At Hyundai of Glendale, Lisa New,

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Be the cat burglar. How much money do you think you got overall? They, so I would have had to pay back restitution, but in Florida, if it's any more, than a million, then they can garnish wages for the rest of your life. So my lawyer really, like, fought hard. Once it hit a million, he was like, okay, let's do something else. How about we just play out to this, do that, whatever. So I don't know, but I would say it was probably in the $7 million-e range somewhere in there from 2008 to 2011.

What did you do with the money? Let me tell you, an addict will find a way to addict. that money very quickly. I bought nice material things, but a lot, sad to say, a lot of it went on pills, on pain pills. And because it was always just this mentality of like easy come, easy go. And as quick as I would get it is as quick as I would spend it. And I just got so used to, I mean, just to give you a little bit of reference, like, so back then, I mean, the price of goal changes. every day, all the time, depending on the stock market.

But back then, an ounce of gold was roughly like, I think, it was like $1,300 an ounce. But just, like I said, just for reference, like a Ziploc bag of gold, like a sandwich Ziploc bag of gold. Let's just say 14-carat. You know, 14-carat gold in the U.S. is not really 14-carat. It's like 9-carat. But so 14-carat gold, Ziploc bag of it. Minimal stones, so most of the weight is gold.

would be back then between $21,000 and $24,000. So getting a Ziploc bag of gold from a house where there is people that are wealthy is not hard. I would be taking that bad. I would be taking in at least one Ziploc bag, if not a couple, two or three, every other day. And that went on for those years. So, I mean, I have not really done the math. I think I would be very sad and ashamed if I did and just be pissed off at myself. But I would say it was somewhere up in there between like, let's just say, the scope of

five to seven million in those years. How are they able to connect you to the other robberies? Did you confess as part of your plea deal? Kind of, yes. So the way that they were able to connect me to the burglaries to all of them is because if you look at my, if you go on FDOC, which is the Florida website for all your charges and everything and your prison sentence, I have charges in multiple counties. There is Marion Clay St. John's.

I have four counties on that on my rap sheet. And basically, out of everything that I did, they could only pin me to one burglary, just one. But they were so pissed off that they spent because they had helicopters. they had people following me. I mean, Ian, I Listen, I would like to think that I'm fairly intelligent,

but I have very dingy moments. And one of them was incredibly, it was out there because I was actually driving out of the neighborhood and they had been surveilling an area because it kept getting hit

by me. And they did not know who they were looking for. And they had a helicopter. Depending on how big the neighborhood was, I would hit a certain amount of houses. Like if the neighborhood's not that big and I've hit two houses or three, I'm leaving because now police presence is there, at least for one of the homes, if not more. So I would

definitely try to make it a point to leave, but this neighborhood was huge. Okay, it had several entrances. It was gated. They had a man in the middle, like a gait, a manned, a manned gate at the front main entrance. I went in through the side and followed somebody that had a little code or something. So anyways, this neighborhood was huge. I had burglarized, probably four or five, six homes that day, but I had also been there previously. Great neighborhood for me, for a burglar, for a thief. And what ended up happening was this particular day, I'm like, okay, I think I've done enough. You know, I've hit like five, six homes in here.

I think I'm good. I need to get out of here. Yeah, I need to call it a day. I'm literally leaving the neighborhood. And as I'm on the main neighborhood road and I'm passing by the little streets, the individual streets, I see a cop car on every street. and I'm like, damn, something's going on in here. This must be something serious.

And then I hear a helicopter up top and I see it. And I'm like, oh, hell no, there must be like a really dangerous person in here like a criminal. Somebody probably got shot or something. Like, this is scary stuff. I need to get the hell out of here for my own safety. I pull out of the neighborhood. I pass cops. They see me.

I have my windows roll down because I used to roll my windows down and just like be singing and just like, acting like I'm just loving life. And they passed right by me and everything. When I got arrested, when I finally got arrested at the end, they told me they were like, we even had helicopters. And I brought up that scenario. And they were like, yeah, we were looking for you or for whoever it was. I mean, and to think that I was driving past all these cops and this helicopter thinking there's

somebody really dangerous in here, I need to get out of here for my safety. And it was me. We're looking for me. I mean, I'm looking at them like, holy hell, I got to get out of here. I could be in danger. You are looking for me. What was your first call with your parents like? Wait, I had to tell you something.

Oh, I thought you already told me. No, it was because you asked you something. How they connected you? Oh, they connected me. Yeah, you said you admitted it. I admitted it. But you know why I admitted it? Because they could get me on that one.

And they were like, if you don't admit to all of these. Because I couldn't even tell them the ones I had burglarized. I didn't know the addresses. They pulled out a map in front me. I was like, I don't know what the fuck. I don't know. I'm not even from this county. So anyways, they said, if you don't confess and take the blame for all of these,

And I was like, well, how do you even know? I don't even know those are mine. And they're like, it's method of entry. It's your MO, not that MO, but your method of entry is basically the same for every single one. And it's very, very specific and it's very distinct to you. And so, yeah, we know they're all yours. And if you don't confess to all of them and take this plea, we're going to hit you with 15 years on this one that we can get you because they found a piece of evidence on me. We're going to get you 15 years for that.

Then five years and we're going to run it all concurrent or all consecutive. We're going to run an all consecutive, and it would have been like upwards of 22 years. So you can take the 10, you cop out to all these, so I admitted it. And that's how they connected me to all of those. They basically bullied me. The government bullied me. In Florida, is it based off the dollar amount or is it just the crime itself that put you in that 10-year category? Because it wasn't like an armed robbery.

Right. It's a point system. And it is a dollar amount. The point system is what will get you the years. And the dollar amount is what will get you the charge. So if it's like less than 300, it's like petty theft. If it's more than 300, it's grand theft. If it's more than like 5,000, it's like grand larceny.

And I was looking at your mugshots that you have, I think, on your TikTok. You look nothing like you do now because you were down bad with the addiction. So anyone that's listening to this has to go check out your TikTok to see the mugshots because you have like stuff all over your neck and like you were just like. Oh, those were hickies. Those were hickies? Yeah. Wait, why do you have a million hickeys?

Because I was going to prison for a while, so I was like, let me... Were you on Bond? They let you out on bail? No, I went, okay, so I went to prison. And when I went to prison, I was there for like four weeks or so. I was in R&O. And I had, they took me out, back out to court for another charge. Because charges, like, throughout the entire span of my criminal career,

charges were just constantly just, I mean, it was like an ebb and flow of charges. just they were coming and going, coming and going. I'd wrap this one up and be this one. That's why when you look at my rap sheet, it spans from 2008 to 2011, 2012, actually. I have 2012 cases that I was actually in prison at Lull in 2012, but I was out to court. So I went out to court, and when I went out to court,

I had a little moment with my son's father because... Wait a minute. When you were at court? No, no, no, I was in the county jail. But they had visitation. Visitation there was through the screen. You didn't have physical. Conjugal visits?

No, you did not. However, this is what happened. It was a small town. He grew up there. I did not. They knew the situation. He was the father, you know, of his only child, my only child. I was going to prison.

So they let us have a little moment in one of the lawyer rooms. We didn't like have sex or anything. But we just had some moments. He tore up your neck that bad in a few moments. Yeah. Holy shit. So that is what you saw with that. I thought that was drug marks.

No, no. Oh, wow. If you go back and look at them now, you'll be able to, now you'll be able to know. Right, it makes sense now. Yeah, it was like here, here and here. Yeah, I've never heard that before. This is the first. Yeah, I just, I don't know.

I almost kind of feel like maybe it was like a, I don't know, because I'm not a hicky kind of person. Like, I don't, you know, I'm like 30 at this time, 29, 29 or something. It's like, hickies are not the, but I don't know what happens. You had to go out with a bang. Went out with the bang, yeah. So how'd your parents react to the arrest, to the jail sentence? What was that like? It was terrible.

I mean, like I said, you know, they're retired now, but at this point, my parents are both physicians. My dad cut me off. He didn't talk to me. My mom stuck by me, but with boundaries and with good reason. She just was like, you know, she recognized and acknowledge that there was a point when things kind of my whole life, just the trajectory just completely changed. and it's when I met the Russian.

But she also acknowledged that I was not in the best headspace because some of the things that I was thinking were exciting and attractive, you know, they're like huge red flags. You should run the other way. You know what I'm saying? So, and I wasn't. So clearly I was wanting something that wasn't good. And so my mom, she said, you know, I will stick by you.

I will do what I can for you while you're in prison. but she's not going to like over-exert herself as far as making sure I have this, have that, you know, she does send me money every month, but she wasn't going to just disturb her whole life because I kept fucking up. And when I got out, she was like, you know, she was the only one because everybody else stopped talking me. My brothers, my sisters, my dad, nobody talked to me. My mom was the only person that talked to me and she was like, when you get out,

whatever money you have, I'll help you start. I have some money saved for you as well because I had like a prepaid college fund before and I dropped out after my A. So I had some money still from that. I didn't. My mom did. She had some money saved for me in hopes that like one day it would turn into something. We could invest it into something. But I took the money I had saved.

She was like, you know, your first year, I will not hand you any money. I'm going to see what you're going to do. So I got out of prison and with my great family and everybody having these amazingly. financially stable lives and whatever and I went to a hotel I was in an extended stay hotel and I lived there for like the first four months when I got out it didn't help I got out in February of 2020 and COVID happened in March but um I got out I got out a year earlier than you yeah yeah I was I got out 2019 oh I don't know why I thought you'd been out longer than that no I got out 2019 man you're kicking you're just like a boss over you're doing all this I just started this a year ago I worked at Whole Foods

almost four years. Yeah, I remember he said that. Yeah, so I didn't, I didn't do anything. When he said you just started this, is my hair doing okay right now? Lovely, don't worry. When he said you just started this, like last year, or he said September, I think, is when you started doing it yourself, like everything yourself or something like that. Yeah.

When he said that, I was like, for real? Because you have a really a nice, nice, like, seems like loyal, good audience. Yeah, it's, I think it just goes to who I am and my personality. It absolutely does. Absolutely does. And things like that and making them comfortable. Like it's not like I feel like I can get away with asking super personal and awkward questions. I do too.

Because like I've asked people about like sex or this and that and people are fine with answering because I guess who I am. Like if I was like creepy looking, I don't think it would have the same effect. 100% because that hicky thing I just told you. You wouldn't have told anyone else? Nobody knows that. You know what everybody else in the world thinks it is? I mean, I've never addressed it publicly. but everybody else that's ever asked

I just said that I got into a fight with somebody and somebody like tried to choke me out it doesn't look like that at all but that's what I say because like I don't know but yeah something about you just makes it and that's good because the thing that makes people want to watch any kind of show podcast interview is to see the realness of it not to you know

not to be fed a bunch of BS my business partner was saying yesterday is like there's just something about you that gets people to like open up to you and you do it in like a nonchalant way. You do. Yeah. And also you don't have a judge. There's nothing about you that comes off like, okay, if I say this, I'm going to get judgment from him. Like it's just, there's just not anything. No, I'm never going to like if someone, I'm not going to say like you're a fucking whore like this or that. Why do you do this? Like people share, like I've had people share that

they've been raped in prison. I've had people share that they've sucked dick for drugs. I've had a variety of things, you know, like just all of these crazy things. So who am I to judge? You know, we've all done shit. So, like, he was, when we were talking about only fans the other day, me and someone else and, like, just anything, you know, like, I'm just, I'm open about it and it's just, like, who cares, you know? Yeah, when I knew that about the only fans, I was like, oh, shit. Well, this was a year ago, don't get people confused. I was in the hustle fan page. I'm like, listen, straight up, I thought about it, too, but I was like, there's a big problem.

You have to promote yourself to be successful. And I'm not getting out there and saying, hey, because, like, I don't even want to use my real name. Well, I get, there's, apparently there's a way to do it like on Reddit and stuff like you could promote it where no one knows it to you and it involves like some marketing aspect but there are ways to do it where no one kind of knows it to you and this and that so I just want to say something now you're questioning me no I know yeah well no like I'm just curious because you know in female prison and I was in Florida obviously I was in a Florida prison but because I was in the same prison for the almost the whole not almost the whole 9.2 years.

I saw a lot of women come and go that had like interstate compacts or had done time in other states and pretty much it seems like everybody with the exception of like California and Texas had the same kind of story, the same kind of environment, the same kind of issues and dramas and stuff like that. I know

there I heard there was like a little more gang stuff in California and Texas but other than that everything seems to be like what I experienced. And I, we don't experience in the female prison. Like, I've seen crazy things, but it's not like what you guys saw. So I just always wanted to know, like, did they separate you guys by your crimes?

Like, is that a thing? And is paperwork day, like, a real thing? Because in female prison, it's 100% not ever. I mean, I'll tell you about it if you want to know. But is that a thing in guys? Yeah, so they're not checking your paperwork or anything. Or Chomos can, do they even call them Chomos? No.

Yeah. So it's very nonchalant because they never get into that in like Orange's New Black. which is what like a lot of prisons are like from a woman's perspective. I think they hit the nail on the head pretty good with that from what I've gathered. I've never watched it. Oh, you got to watch it. I read the book too in prison. I read the book when I was locked up.

But when I saw that she was federal, I was like there's not really a, I mean, I can't relate. I think it's kind of similar to it from what I've interviewed with state people. But I knew nothing about paperwork this and that because at the detention centers, that's not really a thing because that's all people awaiting trial. They don't have paperwork. Right, right, right. Then depending on where you go, like at a camp, there's no paperwork checking at a camp because it's mostly older people or people just that half snitch or this and that. But you're not classified by crimes. The only places you're, it's about like how dangerous you are and what your sentence is.

That's how it is. That's how it. Exactly. So at the camp, you couldn't be a sex offender at the camp and you couldn't have a danger. It's, I forgot that they put like something. on you. It's like a danger of the community or some type of, like, block on you if you have that or if you're, what is that? I just want to make sure. You need makeup on you. Okay, yeah. You can't have any, what's it called? Deportation on you. You can't have anything like that on you.

That sounds. Or else you'll, you'll get, yeah, you just won't be able to go to that prison. But then at the low, you're in, if it's 20 years or lower. So it could be, you could be guys that or have been doing time for murder or rape or anything. And then they're in their last little bit. Yeah, exactly. But there's not a lot of murders in the feds anyways. Yeah, feds is like very, like white, I don't know. White collar, sex offenders, gang related stuff if you were picked up or RICO, anything like that.

Wait, why do sex offenders go federal instead of state? It's mostly all federal because it's over the internet. Yeah, it's mostly all those. You're right. I think there's limited state cases unless the feds don't want to pick. it up. But most of these cases, they're federal and it's a mandatory five-year minimum. You'd see a lot of guys that are, unless they're like high up, I would meet so many guys. And I actually had my lawyer that I went to trial with on the show yesterday. And we were talking

about this. There's a lot of guys that, you know, with that one piece of child pornography or whatever, five-year minimum, sometimes 10, those are the majority of them in prison. Then you have the outliers that are like the fucking Jared Foggles of the world. And they're getting like 20 or 30 years. or the violent inlets, but most of them are non-violent, just fucking perverts that are in there. And then you get guys that kind of looked like me, which is why I got picked on.

And they were just like, they swore, oh, it got planted on me or was an accident or this and that. And like that, I'd always get anxiety. I'm like, holy fuck, what if I go home and like all of a sudden, like this picture randomly shows up? And then I came to realize,

like, it doesn't just randomly show up. You had to fucking. look for it. Like you're not on Porn Hub, for example, and you're looking at porn and then all of a sudden that pops up, you have to deliberately search for that shit. Right, right, right. So, oh, man. It's crazy. But yeah, I've learned from quite a few women that you guys don't have politics. Well, I'll tell you this. We, we, no, I would, in my opinion, we definitely have politics and you definitely, I think if you're a short-timer, if you have like less than three years, You probably don't need to worry about the politics too much,

but when I, like me, I was going with a 10-year sentence, I definitely had to learn like, who was who, what was what. You don't smoke in the shower. When Miss Shirley's in there, you don't mess with this person's girlfriend. You don't talk to this stud because he has, or because she has a crazy, you know, ex. You make sure this person's been here 30 years and they're, you know, very respected. And so there are definitely politics, but they're just very different.

and none of them really have to do with anything that's relevant in real life or matters. It's more like rules. Yeah. It's just like, and I don't know. Like, as far as, first of all, the same thing. They don't separate you by crimes. In a female prison, it's just separated by housing and custody. Your custody is how you behave while you're, no, your housing is how you behave while you're in the prison. Your custody is what you've done to get in the prison and what you, you know, how violent you are

there. So those two numbers can be like one through five the higher the number the more dangerous you are. So you only have to be housed appropriately with your kind. Like one can't be housed with a four with an H-O-4. But nobody checks paperwork. Nobody, the most I ever saw anybody doing all that time was like, oh, she like she killed her kid or she, you know, did this to her child or the babysitter did whatever, something like that. And then people would go get on the phone because I did too, and would ask, and I'd be like, hey, read me that, what's to say? And they'd read it to me, and then I'd be like, I'm not talking to her anymore. And then I'd tell all my friends not talk to her anymore.

And then we'd all talk about it. But like nobody's going, nobody's going and beating anyone up as much as they deserve it about charges in a female prison. They'll fight at the drop of a, anything, a drop of a dime about a girlfriend. But that's pretty much it. Yeah, on the topic of girlfriends and whatnot, something that's fascinating about men in prison that people find interesting is that like men would hustle women from in prison. And what I mean, like go on dating apps on contraband cell phones or even just work the phones, getting people's numbers and get the girls to get them, send them money. Right. Does that work like that from a woman's perspective?

Like, are you guys hustling men and are men actually like infatuated with you guys from the outside, sending you guys money coming on visits? Is it a hustle in that sense? So I did this video called selling sugar daddies in prison, selling pen pals because they don't like to be called sugar daddies. They're pen pals, but they're sugar daddies for the record. Let's be real. Yeah, it's a whole business. It's a whole ass business. So in a female prison, so say it's like myself and Sarah, okay?

So say I have a sugar daddy, a pen pal. Girls will get put on these sites by their friends, by their family members, by somebody on the outside. And when they get put on this site, you know, they'll write, they'll buy letters, they'll pay people for letters, they'll just, they'll fish, they'll throw letters, hundreds of letters out there until they get somebody to bite. When they get somebody to bite, they try to, there's like a whole process. There's a grooming process. They never want money. They never want you for anything. But eventually they're going to fall in love with you.

You're going to fall in love with them. You're the greatest thing that happened. They're going to, you know, make sure you're connected with their family. They're going to have their mom and their kid calling you so you feel like you're really. there. They're going to make it seem like every day on the phone talking to you is like the only thing that is the most important part of the day and the only reason that they live. They're going to make sure you know that they don't have any financial support. And then all the sudden, one day, they're going to have an emergency. And it's going to be a little one like, hey, oh my God,

someone stole my shoes. Can you send me $100? I have to buy some shoes, you know, off the compound. And then you're probably going to do it because you love her and you want to save the day. She doesn't have any other support. And she's stroked your ego, love bombed you and sucked you in. major. So when that happens, then it's just going to be another emergency, another emergency, and then it's just going to be like, you know, well, you need things every week. You need hygiene. Everybody needs hygiene. So once all that happens, you're going to get into this cycle. And if you try to break it or get out or that week, you can't do it, then eventually they're just going to get really pissed off and they're going to yank that love away and you're going to be like feigning for it. And you're

going to be like, and then you're going to get scared. And you're going to keep on doing it. You're going to find a way to get that shit done. Now, when it's time for the person for the girl to go home because that is a good pen pal sugar daddy because he you know he's a good one then that girl knows she has zero intention of talking to him ever again so she's going to sell him to sarah so say i'm the one going home so i will tell sarah hey sarah i will sell you bob for two hundred dollars so because i'm about to go home like two hundred dollars will get me through the next two weeks and that's it i don't need a lot right or whatever um so I'll be like, hey, so what'll happen is I will start talking.

Usually it's not like two weeks for the record. It's usually like the girl that's going to go home is going to sell her sugar daddy about a month before she goes home. Because you need a little time for this to happen. So she will start saying, oh, hey, babe, Sarah. You know, Sarah did this for me. Oh, Sarah is such a good person. Oh, my gosh, Sarah doesn't have any family. I wish you could meet Sarah.

You're just going to love her. When she gets out, you're going to meet her. You're going to love her. You're just going to start really putting Sarah in the game. And then what's going to happen is. is one day Sarah is going to get your information because she's going to contact you so that when I get out, she can contact you and she can talk to me on the phone because you and I are going to be together out there.

So one day, Sarah is going to call and say, hey, I just wanted to call and make sure that this is the number and say hi. You know, Jen said you were so great and everything. I can't wait until you pick her up so that, you know, you guys can have a great life and get married and right off into the sunset and just know that I'll be calling you to talk to her and Bob's like okay cool whatever whatever well I get out I never talk to Bob again I don't see Bob I don't even tell him the right day I'm getting out so that he can't show up there now what's gonna happen is a couple days later Sarah's gonna call and she's gonna be like hey Bob you know can

I talk to Jen and Bob's gonna be like Jen you know she goes she she bailed I don't know what happened I'm worried I she used me or I'm worried or whatever and that's when Sarah's gonna be like and she's going to turn on me and she's going to be like I cannot believe that she did that you're such a good guy I can't believe it and then eventually it's going to be well jen only existed for us to find each other like she was the the path for us to find each other because we're the true love and now you just got sold and then you'll get sold to somebody else when sarah goes home are these men just like fucked up like in the head like what is it for these men or do they have emotional issues I

when I made that pen pal video on my website when I made that pen pal video on my YouTube I also did one on my TikTok I did it because I wanted men to know and I kind of also wanted their feedback and I got some real good hearty threats

from some girls I was in prison with saying take down the video because you're fucking up people's hustle and da da da da da da and I did not however then they tried to go on this little like campaign of like you won't say why you were in prison but you will tell other people's business, da-da-da. I hadn't said anything yet.

I had the channel for like two months. Anyways. So I will tell you that I tried to put the information out there and kind of just like gauge and feel what it is that these guys see. Because from the inside, from being inside and seeing it from the perspective of the person that's next to the girl, I can't further. I can see how he would fall for her when she's running all this game because they're good. Probably the same way the guys are.

You know, they're good. They know how to stroke that ego. But I don't know what initially leads them there. I don't know what it is. And I don't know how they cannot see that this is a game and a setup. And then so when these men, right, because I have a lot of comments under that video that are like, hey, I have this girl. Do you think, hey, I have this situation. Could I, like, email you and you tell me if you think that she's,

She's doing this and that or whatever. Dude, I just ran you down the whole playbook. Like, you should know if all of that happened to you. Yes, it's what it's what it is. And actually, you don't even have to tell me, yes, it's what it is. It's probably what it is. Because it's 99% of the time it's what it is. I've never seen not one girl go home to her guy, not one in the whole time I was there, ever.

So I don't know if they're messed up in the head, Ian. I don't know. I mean, it's like the whole obsession with like Gypsy Rose where all the guys were like, I mean, the guy that ended up marrying her. you know, like there's people that do that. Like that just, and you're not even, you weren't even like a killer. You didn't do anything to that degree, you know? I have no idea what it is. Were you getting like random letters from people that found you on the news?

I would get random letters. Mainly, like there was like a little portion of time when I was in the newspaper and the local newspaper. I haven't had any big stories while I was in. Like anyone that's covered my story has been since I've been out. But there was like one little thing in the newspaper where they said, you know, this, burglar fed the dog a rotissory chicken and we know because the rosicestered chicken little the little tray was on the floor and like the carcass and so anyways so from that they kind of talked about it and it was like on a little couple news stations and it kind of went on I was like

a running joke so I got some stuff from that but I wasn't very like high profile to the point that they would have known I was there unless they scrolled a site and saw me and I wasn't on a site because I was down hard against that pen pal shit. Like I did not like it. I have a son. I have brothers. I have guy friends. I just,

I don't know. The using the guy thing for me is just never, I just don't like it. Well, it goes back to what you were telling us earlier about how you would never mess with a guy if you weren't into him. Right, right.

So something that's fascinating about your story, which we've never had on the show, is that you had a child in prison. Yeah. And there's a couple other creators in the content world that had a child in prison and people are just enam by it. They love it. So tell us about that.

Yeah. So I actually was, I found out I was pregnant Tuesday. I got arrested Friday. Now, I had been arrested at several points in my life at this time. But that Friday that I got arrested was the Friday that took me to jail and then took me to prison. I was not getting out. I didn't have a bond. I couldn't bond out. I had violated multiple probation at this point. I had racked up multiple burglaries and just a plethora of shit on my plate that was not there was no way out of it so i went to i went to jail i went to the county jail and i sat there and i sat there my entire pregnancy and when i got to the county jail i remember calling my son's father because he had nothing to do with my crimes he didn't know anything about anything i was doing he is a good guy his

family's well to do they're just they're good people he met me coming out of the rehab that I was in in a town where the rehab was, which was not Jacksonville, it was Ocala, where the prison's at. And they told me when I was coming out of the rehab, hey, if you don't do aftercare here, you have to do it for double the time instead of three months. You have to do it for six months in whatever city you're going to and you have to pay for it and pay for your drug screens. So I said, oh, fuck it, I'm going to stay in this town and whatever, whatever.

I'm just do it here and then I'll move here like a year later. I didn't have any kids. I was boss to the wall. There was no reason for me to be tied down anywhere. So I stayed there. So I met him when I was just getting out of there. We dated for less than a year. And basically, I was always careful.

I mean, I didn't even get pregnant, so I was almost 28. And I, but I got pregnant. And I got pregnant and I was even on birth control. And I called him from the holding cell because he was so excited. He doesn't have any kids. He didn't have any kids either. And I remember saying, listen. I don't know what I'm going to get out of this, but I'm not going to drag you down with me.

I'm going to go to prison. Hopefully I don't. Hopefully I get house to rest, but I think I'm going to prison. So basically, if you don't want anything to do with me, like, I'm cool. It's fine. Like, you don't have to go through this with me. I'm pregnant. We are pregnant.

But all I want is if you raise this child that my family be allowed to be a part, of his life and have him like once a month and so on and so forth you don't even have to bring him to the prison if you don't want to but i would be grateful if he did but but you don't have to and um so i just remember saying giving him this whole spiel and like really meaning it and he was like uh-uh no i'm i'm gonna ride this out with you like you're the greatest thing i ever happened to me and because you got to understand at the time i was like this is a really nice good wholesome well to do guy. I'm on pills. I'm wild. I'm fun. And everything that I fell in love with, the Russian that was so exciting is probably the same thing that he saw in me. I was exciting to him. I was crazy.

Yeah, I was high and I was like, I was wild. You know what I'm saying? I was wild. And that to him came off as spontaneous and exciting and fun. But it wasn't good, but he just never got deep enough to know it wasn't good. So he said he wanted to stick around. So I was like, okay. So anyways, we're not together now present day but he brought our son every single Sunday to that prison to see me. He stayed with you the whole time. Until I got out. He didn't

like stay with me but like he brought our son and I remember telling him thank you so much for bringing him every Sunday. Thank you for allowing me to bond with him and for fostering this bond and he was like I'm not doing this for you. I'm doing this for him first of all

And second of all, single moms do this every day. They chase dads down and hunt them down and raise these kids alone and whatever. And no one gives them any accolades or pats on the back. Like, I'm literally just doing what moms do every single day. So it's not that big of a deal. And I was like, touch, okay. When did your son realize you were in prison? He was, like, probably about six when he started wondering why we all wore the same clothes.

Because I was at school up until then. He was like, why is everyone wearing the same clothes? and why can't you come out with me? And why can't you face-time me? That must have been heartbreaking. Yeah, it was very hard. But his dad handled it. He told him whatever he told him, and it worked, and it was good.

I mean, most mothers are having, like, the Santa Claus talk or the Easter Bunny talk, and there you are having the prison talk. Yeah. That's heartbreaking right there. I think that the only saving grace in our situation was that I wasn't taken from him. He never had me there to miss me or to. to know what it would have been to have me there. So it wasn't like, obviously, I'm sure one day he'll know he missed out on something.

Because I know I did. But he didn't know that then. I wasn't taken from him. So all he ever knew was coming to see me in this place where he eats these cheeseburgers and these, you know, cheese sticks and there's games at this table and there's policemen around. And that's all he knows. So it wasn't anything different for him. But so basically.

When I had my son, when I had our son, it was a miracle that I was not in prison yet. I was still in the county. And it was a miracle because in the county, you are presumed innocent until you're found guilty. And so you still have certain rights. So had I have had him while I was in prison, I would have had a much different labor and delivery than when I was in jail. And what I mean by that is I was handcuffed and shackled to the bed on and off, depending on what was going on. So, like, when I was pushing, I was handcuffed right here to the bed, but nothing was on my legs.

After I had him, I was shackled. During, you know, like during the labor part before I had him, it was just, it alternated. But because I was not found guilty yet, I went for a checkup, and I was like a month. I had a month left. I was like 36 weeks at this time. And they were like, you're too small. But I was small anyways. My frame is small.

So my belly was just like to write here. And I was almost full term. But I would just, you wouldn't even know. So they were like, you're too little. He's too little. And these bastards are literally took out of measuring tape. Like the ones that tailors measure like your clothes with. And rats you're on my belly.

And we're like, you're too little. We have to induce you. And I was tripping because I was like, I don't know anything about. I've never had a kid. I don't know. like I know I have four weeks left, but this seems like not a good idea to be making him come out right now because we're both small. Like that's a little discriminatory here. So, but anyways, I didn't have a choice.

So because it was considered an emergency situation because I was being induced, they actually called my emergency contact, which was my mom. And then they called his dad because my mom, you know, let him know. So they both knew that I was going to the hospital. Now, they didn't tell them I was going into labor. I was being induced. They said she had an emergency situation. She's in the hospital. but they know I'm pregnant.

It's right around my due date. I have four weeks left. So they figured I was going into labor. So my mom was like, hey, how do I know, you know, if I can or cannot go see her? And they were like, you have to talk to the watch commander, which is kind of like the major, the warden of the county jail. So they were like, you just did that thing again. I saw it. Oh, man.

Well, you're out of my ass. So they were like, so my mom talked to the watch commander and was like, so. So, yeah, can I go see my daughter? Dda-da, whatever. She hasn't been in trouble the whole time. She's been there. She's been there over a year. And they were like, yeah.

And, wait, I hadn't been there over a year because I was nine months. Well, anyways, whatever. I had been there for a long time. At the end of it, I've been there like a year and a half. So the watch for me, I was like, yeah, yeah, sure, no problem. Go. So he told her that it was also up to the hospital. It was at their discretion if they wanted to let her in or not

and to the officer that was escorting me. So my mom got there and my mom is like really sweet and innocent. Like she's like very small and very cute and she pulled her like she had her because she was not retired then she's retired now but she wasn't retired then. She had her physician's coat on and it said her name and it said MDPA and she was like and then it said neurologist underneath. There's a neurology underneath and so she was like hey my daughter did it does she's not a troublemaker. She doesn't get in trouble. She's been here to whatever. And then they were like yeah sure we're okay. I think they were extending her like little professional.

courtesy and then my um they had the officer they got her opinion she was like that's fine and um it was nice lady named miss smith but yeah so my mom was able to come in she didn't make it her and kyle did not make it that's dominic's dad kyle um they did not make it to the actual delivery i was there by myself but um they made it like about 45 minutes later and then like two hours later my mom came like 45 minutes after i had him Kyle came like two hours later and it was so weird because this is the craziest thing. When women have children, they know the doctor in the room. They know they've been to the hospital to walk it.

They know these people. I'm literally cocked up, pushing this child out of my body with people I've never seen a day in my life and an officer over my head, cheering me on with a mask and scrubs. Handcuffed. Well, no, like, yeah, yeah, handcuffs. She was over here. She's cheering me on. I'm like this pushing, handcuffed with a room full of strangers, and I'm like, what if I fart? And that's all I'm thinking.

I was so mortified. I don't even know. Like, I am just like, oh, my, it was the craziest scenario ever. And then as soon as he came out, they handed him to me. And then they were like, okay, we have to cut the umbilical cord and usually like the dad does it or like whoever you have in the room like your mom or your sister, whatever. And they're like, so I remember the nurse being like, who's going to cut the umbilical cord? and I was like, and everybody kind of looked at each other, and the doctor was like, I can cut it.

And I was like, uh-uh, I'll do it. I'll do it. And then so he was like, sure. And I was like, yeah, because usually mom doesn't cut it. I mean, not that I know of, I guess. And so I was like, I'll do it. Yeah, for sure. So I remember I was holding him and I looked at him and I was like, well,

just me and you little guy, you know, and I cut his middle cord. And I was like, and then, but then it was really sad because, you know, your body mentally, you mentally prepare and your body physically prepare. for like this baby to come home and for you to take care of him and like all this stuff and then you don't and then you go out of jail and I just was like

in the infirmary for 11 days having a full blown meltdown because... How long were you able to hold them for? I stayed there five days. So you're allowed to spend five days with them? Most people, it's 24 hours for vaginal delivery, 48 hours for a cesarian

but because my mom did some things. She had the connection. You have to poop before you can be discharged. Like, I don't know exactly what the medical deal is, like, why they have to have you have a bowel movement, but you have to poop. And so, and they want to make sure you can get up and walk and that your legs aren't swollen. So I'm not going to lie to you, man. I bang my leg up a couple times on the rail and I got some bruises. I said I couldn't walk. I said they were swollen and they were bruising. And if you all of a sudden start having bruises without having been hit, that might be like some kind of blood pooling stuff. So, and I wouldn't poop. So I, We pulled it out for five days, four nights, five days. We stretched that thing out. At least you got that extra time.

Got the extra time. I was able to breastfeed him for a little bit and just spend some time with them because, you know, I was going up the road. Did your siblings come and visit at all? No, I didn't talk to any of my siblings until my first sibling I talked to was like a year after I got out of prison. And the last one that I just, the last one that was holding out didn't want to talk to me, just talked to me. just talked to me like a year ago. So between like a year after getting out and, you know, a year ago. What about your dad? Do you guys talk now?

No. You still don't talk? No, he got remarried and the wife has this like, I don't know. I think she has this idea that like I want something and I don't want anything from them. I know he has money and he's well off and he's done a lot of things and he's written a lot of books and like, but I don't he hasn't done anything for me prior to that like I'm not you haven't done anything for me for a long time and I understand like with good reason I was being shit but I'm not just gonna get out and all of a sudden be like hey it's time to just like break me off me like no I'm you know I just I wanted to see him but she made it really difficult and then she blocked me so and then he's like he's 80 so um he didn't even know I was blocked and then it just turned into this whole thing and I was just like Does that give you the perspective now that you want to make sure you're always there for your son no matter what? Absolutely.

I definitely, you know, it's funny because I saw this TikTok. I saw two TikToks. One that was JD Delay and one that was this other girl, Rachel Elizabeth. And they were talking about like what would people do for their kids, like the extremes that they would go to for their kids. And I know J.D's was like to help your child. they were in trouble and the other one was like to protect your child and there's actually parents out there that are like oh i would stop here i wouldn't do anything illegal or whatever like i'm not going to sit down and conspire with you to commit a murder at a table and plot it out but like yeah i'm

going to make sure i'm there i'm going to make sure i help you and because i know how easy it was like in hindsight i can see where everything snowballed and how all the mistakes just kind of i i can see it all. But in the moment, I was just living day to day, making one decision at a time that was slowly leading me to a prison cell. And because of that, I have a true understanding that, like I said, I really have a true understanding that crime, addiction, all of that does not discriminate. And you can be educated and you can come from a good family and you can be financially very set and it does not matter. You can still end up in that. prison on a steel bunk with everybody who didn't have a pot to piss in and was abused, you know?

So out of the 10 years, you do what, nine something? So in Florida, you have to do 85% of your time. There's no such thing as parole there. So everybody has to do 85% of your time. You do not get parole to any kind of halfway house. Period point blank. So off at 10, I would have had to do 8.5 at best. However, I got into a little smidget of trouble.

Would you get into a fight? No, I did get into fights. but no, that wasn't, it wasn't for that. So, you know, I like money, you know, and I like to have money. And I like to, for me to have money and take care of me. So I knew I was going home, you know, soon. And I had a good little grip saved, but I wanted more. And greed will get you every time.

Greed will get you every time. Greed will do you in. But okay. So I was a canteen operator. And I didn't even want this damn job. They made me do it. I was a canteen operator three times. And so this was the third time.

And they made me do it because there wasn't anybody else that was qualified at that moment. And I was like so pissed off about it. And I was like, oh, well, I'm going to make the best of this. So there was this girl that was selling Suboxin on the compound. And she was getting the Suboxone for whatever she was getting it for. She was selling for $300 a strip. So she would like, hey, listen, because sometimes you can't roam the compound freely. Sometimes it's locked down.

Sometimes the weather. sometimes they're short staff sometimes there's a fight whatever so since i was since i had my store she was like i'm going to give you these whatever like 10 strips and that people have bought already then i'm going to give you my lists of what i want when they come to the window they're going to be like hey i'm here for my for the strip i'm here for this and you're going to take their tag and scan up what i want my hundred dollars worth the shit and when you do that um you're i'm going to get my 300 and I'm going to split it with you, 150 and 150. So I was like, okay, hell yeah.

Because all I'm doing is my job. I'm basically just doing my job. And so I would split it. And eventually one day, that same individual wanted to rent my bathroom for $200 with her girlfriend for 15 minutes. So I allowed her to. It took my $200 and I let her have the bathroom 15 minutes. But what happened that day was like, it was like the craziest freak accident. the major and the colonel were walking around,

making sure to tell all the canteen operators not to have boxes outside their doors. So when they were coming up, I freaked out and got scared. And because I'm not balzy anymore like I used to be. So I got freaked out and got scared. I heard it and locked my door, turn off the lights and hid.

The lady, they know I'm in there because I was just in there like 30 seconds ago. So I'm not hiding for real. I'm just being one of those kids. It's like, you can't see me because I can't see you. So basically, they have a key. They have a master key. They're not supposed to come in.

They're not supposed to come in the canteen store without one of the canteen company employees being there. But they don't give a shit. They came in. So when they came in, I was on the floor in the dark with a bucket of boiled eggs. And I had dropped him and I was picking them up as I was so scared. I was like, I'm sorry. I didn't know you were knocking at the door. Mind you, the door is right.

It's right behind me. The door is too. The canteen is as big as a bathroom. Okay. So I'm like, I didn't hear you. And I'm trying to pick up these eggs and I'm shoveling them into a basket. And I look ridiculous. She's like, why are you in the dark?

You're going to tell me you're in the dark. You didn't hear us and you're picking up eggs. And I'm like, yes, ma'am. And she's like, something's going on here. Why is your bathroom light on? And I was like, and there's a fan in the bathroom. So these fuckers are in there getting it on and they don't hear shit going on out there. Nothing.

So I'm like, oh my gosh. Okay, so then she goes to the bathroom. She opens the door. She catches the people in there. I don't know exactly what port. what port. I don't know exactly what part they were in as far as what they were doing, but all I heard her say was get dressed and they got dressed.

Now, I would have just gotten probably like a minor DR, like a seven-day DR or something like that for having them in my store unauthorized. But they so kindly threw a lighter and some cigarettes in my bathroom when they were getting dressed and coming out so it wasn't caught on them. and that prompted the boys to come in and search my store and then they found this a box in. Oh, man. And it's a narcotic.

And it's a Schedule 3, which I didn't know. I was like, no, it's not. It's a freaking medication. It's like a medication for people that are withdrawing. You still can't have it. I know, but I wanted them to charge me with contraband, not possession of a narcotic, which is what they charged me with. So instead of contraband, which would have been like a 10-day confinement sentence,

they charged me with possession of narcotic, which was the same. 67 day sentence, which is what I got 60 days, but I waited in administrative confinement for seven days. So I spent 67 days in confinement my first and only time and I lost gain time, which put me at nine years, two months, and like two weeks. So a little over nine years. Yeah, went out with a bang. And you got out four years ago? Yeah, I got out February, 14th of 2020 Valentine's Day. Oh, that's nice. So it was almost your, it was your anniversary a couple weeks ago? Yeah, a couple weeks ago. Happy anniversary. Thank you very much. So what's life like for you now? You know, I'll tell you what. It's crazy because prison will make you confront yourself.

And what I mean by that is like prison will in, out here in the world, you have money, you have clothes, you have makeup, you have jewelry, you have cars, you have friend groups, you have restaurants. If you don't like somebody or something, you can fake it until you get home. you're going to go home. There are outlets. There are things. There are ways to to wear masks and be a chameleon and get through situations. But in prison, you're in the same hole, same bunk, same clothes, same people, same building, same officers day in and day out for however long you're there. So there's only so long you can go before the real you's going to rise to the surface. And it's crazy because like if you're out here and in the free world you smoke and in prison, you really will have the urge to smoke because you're a smoker.

You'll all of a sudden see people fishing in a drain with toothpaste on a belt and fishing the tobacco that an officer spit out and then wrapping that in Bible paper and smoking it. Well, he spit in his mouth that has been in the drain and the sore drain because now you're faced with your true self. You're a fiend. You're a smoker. And this is what you have to do. So because you're faced with your true self and what you really are, you have to really

find out what are my morals, what are my values, what are my standards, what am I okay with, who am I? There's days I'd sit in my bunk and look around and be like, damn, you guys are really in your element right now and I am not, but I'm going to make it through this and I'm going to come out okay. You know what I'm saying? And it's not a, I'm better than you, you're better than me thing. It's just, we're just different. You guys are okay right now. I'm not. So when I was getting close to going home, I was like, not only is it because I did a good a little stretch of time, but I also had a child while I was in there. And so all of that combined was just like, I don't want to come back ever. And it's not because the food sucks. And it's not

because they yell or mistreat you. And it's not any of that. I don't want to come back because my morals and my values and the way I found and confronted myself and realized I was shit and living like trash, I don't, I'm not comfortable with that anymore. I'm not comfortable with the things that I was one's okay with. So now I'm getting out and I want to be involved and present with things that I'm comfortable with. And so every day now for me looks very different than what it used to because I am incredibly boring, incredibly calm. I just want to make money that has not gone away. I want to make money. I want to raise my son comfortably. I want to make sure that whatever he wants to do, I have the means to provide him with that opportunity, whether it's something financial,

whether it's something emotional, whether it's something intellectual. I just want to make up for all the lost time because I missed the first tooth, the first word, the first day of school, the first step. I want to be there for everything now because he only has a couple years left of being a kid. So I have a bounce house business with a partner and it does great because in Florida it does great. And we started that during COVID. It's called Jack's Party Rentals in Jacksonville, Florida, if anybody's there.

Oh, that's so cool. And, yeah, we have nine really big combo bounce houses with sliders and wet, dry combos and just really, really nice stuff. It's not like a little, it's not rinky dink. It's legit. Like how you thought my studio was going to be? No, I knew your studio was going to be legit. I knew. I just didn't know it was as legit.

This is nice thing. You got a really nice setup. You're doing it. You're doing good stuff. But so, yeah, so I'm doing that. And then I have, I really am trying to pour my energy and love into my YouTube. I know that consistency is key, but I'm hoping to learn from some of the best, i.e. you and a few others. Oh, man.

Behind me? Someone behind. Wow, look at that. Get some pointers and pick some brains. But, yeah, so every day just looks like I enjoy things that. I did not use to enjoy before. Because now it's like, let me tell you something.

This is crazy, Ian. But when I was at the airport, I tried to watch my phone for a second, but I was like this. Because there was that little thing, the little rolling floor in front of me. It was in front of me. And like everybody that was going by,

I was like, I was mesmerized. I was like, oh, yeah, you're a businessman. Oh, man, you're a pissed off housewife. You must be a college kid going home. Like, you know, I'm just, It's like I'm just taking it all in. The things I used to enjoy, I'm no longer comfortable with them. I just want to be successful.

I just want to make money and I just want to raise my child. And that's pretty much it. I mean, my days are filled with that. I love that. You know, I don't, yeah. If you could go back to your teenage self before you met the Russian or maybe even right at that time when life was normal. Yeah. What would you say to that girl?

If I could go back, I would definitely. definitely say you do not have to find value and worth in a relationship or in another person. Because that's what I did. I found my value and my place and my worth in being this girlfriend, and being the one that saved you, and being the one that ran your business, in being the one that was your ride or die and being the one that knew all your secrets but would never tell anybody like everything that i had as far as my identity was attached to you i didn't know what i liked i didn't know what i wanted to do i didn't know what was fun and what wasn't and it was kind of like you know i don't know i just did i didn't even i didn't know me i didn't know who i was at all so i would

definitely say get to know you and get the hell away from the russian quickly No Russians. Yeah, he was murdered last year in a hotel. They called him and it was a setup and they gunned him down. But that was that. He did come back in the country and what ended up happening was I saw him a couple times. But I made sure to steer clear. I saw that he was still involved in the same life.

And it actually made me really sad because I was like, damn, over 10 years has gone by and I have changed 360 plus and you are the exact same person and that is crazy. Because either way you should have changed in 10 years. In a decade, you should have some change. Whether you progress or what, I mean, something should have happened and you haven't. You're exactly the same man and that's insane. Maybe you needed that eye-opening experience for you. I did because had you gotten murdered without me ever seeing that,

I don't know that I would have had the reflection that I have now of him. Because I didn't really ever get closure. You know, he left and fled the country. I went on to do things. There was never any real closure. But because I saw what I saw, it closed that book completely. And, yeah. Well, Jen, thank you so much for coming on the show today.

This was a wonderful conversation with you. Thank you for having me. Yeah.