Locked In with Ian Bick - I Was a Hells Angel for 10 Years — Here's Why I Finally Walked Away | George "Joby" Walters

Episode Date: September 22, 2026

George "Joby" Walters grew up in Ohio, joined the Army, and developed a passion for mechanics and motorcycles before joining the Avengers Motorcycle Club in Alabama. After an injury pushed him away from the club, he eventually landed in Arizona, where he patched into the Hells Angels in the late 1990s and became close personal friends with the legendary Sonny Barger. Over the next decade, Joby found himself in the middle of violent conflicts with rival clubs including the Mongols and Vagos and was present at the infamous Harrah's Casino riot in Laughlin, Nevada, on April 27, 2002, when the Hells Angels and Mongols clashed in one of the most notorious biker confrontations in American history. In the aftermath, he went on the run to Mexico, eventually took a plea deal that sent him to prison, and ultimately made the decision to walk away from the Hells Angels after 10 years. Now, Joby is telling the complete story of what life inside one of the world's most notorious motorcycle clubs was really like — from brotherhood and loyalty to violence, prison, and what it took to finally leave it behind. _____________________________________________ Thank you to HUNGRYROOT, AG1 & CASH APP for sponsoring this episode: Hungryroot: Explore my Hungryroot Digital Cookbook "THE COMMISSARY UPGRADE" at https://hungryroot.com/LOCKEDIN _____________________________________________ AG1: For a limited time, save 20% on your first subscription order of AG1 Next Gen or AG1 Pro at https://drinkag1.com/lockedin _____________________________________________ Cash App: Download Cash App Today: https://click.cash.app/ui6m/6pao71et #CashAppPod Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App's bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. Cash App Visa® Debit Flex Cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC, and The Bancorp Bank, N.A., pursuant to a license from Visa U.S.A. Inc. See terms and conditions for the Sutton prepaid card, Sutton debit flex card, and Bancorp debit flex card. Cash App Green features, Savings, Direct deposit, Round ups, Overdraft coverage and Discounts provided by Cash App, a Block, Inc. brand. Visit cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures. _____________________________________________ Connect with George "Joby" Walters: https://www.jobywalters.com/ _____________________________________________ Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick:  https://ianbick.com/ _____________________________________________ Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 00:41 Growing Up in Rural Ohio 01:29 Joining the Army 02:16 Young Joby's Personality 03:00 Joining the Military 04:03 Life in the Army 05:39 Quitting Drugs and Alcohol 06:48 Life After the Army 08:07 Heading to Alabama 09:20 Meeting the Avengers 10:51 Finding Brotherhood 11:36 Prospecting with the Avengers 12:53 The Prospecting Process 15:24 What It Meant to Be a Biker 16:40 A Story with the Pagans 20:59 Communication and Money 22:45 Clubhouses and Fights 23:47 Marking People Out 26:00 Rules and Politics 27:44 Law Enforcement 28:54 Leaving the Avengers 30:30 Joining the Circus 33:44 Working with Elephants 36:35 Running From Yourself 39:04 Leaving the Avengers 43:45 Life in Arizona 47:01 Getting Back into Bikes 51:10 Meeting the Hell's Angels 56:39 Becoming a Prospect 59:16 The Warning 01:01:36 Prospecting Differences 01:04:36 Getting Patched In 01:06:11 The Reality of the Patch 01:07:58 Wars and Conflicts 01:09:00 The Laughlin River Run 01:11:20 The Aftermath 01:13:28 The Root of the War 01:15:20 Arrest and Charges 01:18:00 Jay Dobyns Revealed 01:20:39 The Vagos Incident 01:22:40 Fleeing to Mexico 01:24:30 Life in Mexico 01:26:00 Returning and Getting Caught 01:28:45 Going to Prison 01:30:40 Finding God 01:32:36 Last Conversation with Sunny 01:33:40 The Club's Evolution 01:35:50 Federal Prison 01:37:20 Preaching in Prison 01:40:12 Removing the Tattoos 01:41:12 Would You Do It Again? 01:43:00 Riding with Sunny 01:48:24 Getting Out of Prison 01:51:45 Pee-Wee and George Christie 01:53:30 Life After the Club 01:58:20 Final Thoughts _____________________________________________ To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://advertising.libsyn.com/LockedInWithIanBicka

I said, I'm going to join your club. And that'd be an honor if you'd bring me up tonight and sponsor me. And Sonny looked at me and he says, we got a lot to talk about, but you got balls. And I don't have a problem with that. That's George Joby Walters. He spent a decade inside the Hells Angels, becoming close friends with Sonny Barger and living through some of the club's most violent conflicts. His time in the club took him from clashes with rival motorcycle clubs to the infamous casino riot,

a run to Mexico, and eventually prison. Today, he's taking us inside the Hells Angels and revealing what ultimately made him walk away. I grew up southeast of Ohio, back down on the Ohio Valley River, the Ohio River. Went to school, three or four different small schools, rural squirrel hunting, shooting squirrels off Shetland Pony with a 22 rifle rabbit hunting, you know, all that, horses, you know. And busted up family a little bit, a little bit, little out. alcohol involved there, you know, that we had to battle through. And got older, was able to get through that with my family, you know.

But that's, I left there in 1973. It was November 26th, 1973. I just turned 17 years old. And my dad shook my hand at the Greyhound bus station to send me off to the Army and said, be a man. And that's when I left Southeast Ohio. Was your dad in the military? Yeah.

Yeah. Dad served over in World War. you know, and I was in, you know, during the Vietnam era. And then went to Europe, found wine, women, and song, you know, and not beer the old lady at TV. And, you know, a kid that never smoked pot or anything, you know, but drank the Boone's Farm, drive in and, you know, with the girls and the skating rink and everything and fighting at the Pensville Station.

I worked at Pennsville Station. I wrote a 650 triumph to high school when I was 15 years old. You know, and so that biker image came back to me when I came back home. I had no family. I went searching, you know. What were you like as a kid, how to describe young Joby for us? Joby, ambitious, good ball player, and don't think he won't, don't think he won't cross you. You know, I was small.

The mechanics at the Pennsville Station kept me in shape and punched up. And Jobie was easy to get along with, you know, and like sports, like people. And wasn't afraid to throw hands every once in a while. I kind of enjoyed it, you know. And that's what it was. Adventurous. Horizon. I chased Horizon all my life.

Even this one that I'm sorry, even this horizon that I'm here today. I mean, my life coming 70 has just been nothing but that. Were you expected by your parents to join the military? No, I brought it up. I was at the Pensville station, and school was good. I was a good student, you know, and all, I mean, I wasn't any trouble. And just one day a buddy of mine said, you know, I think I'm going to quit and go to Army. I said, man, that sounds like a fun thing to do.

Well, we'll go down to Fort Campbell to 1001st Airborne. We'll just join them. And I'll be darned if we didn't. You know, but no, I came home and said, hey, dad, I want to move on. You know, talk to my dad like a grown man. You know, he was, my dad was a good man. I love my dad. And when I, when I talked to him, it was in earnest, and it was wanting to know what his thoughts were on things and believed in him, what he said.

I said, I think I just want to move on a little bit, you know. I think I'm ready. And heck, I hadn't even turned 17, yeah, you know. But he agreed. He said, if that's what you want to do some, then we'll do it. What was the Army like for you? Army, fun, rambunctious, in shape, you know. Several different MOSs learned a lot of different things.

Traveled a lot, loved it, you know. Went to Germany, came back, even re-enlisted, extended a year, and went back over to Europe, you know, and all the old rock concerts back in those days, you know. I mean, I saw ACDC when he first hit the stage with Rolling Stones, man. Who was ACDC? I know that. Yeah, it was, you know, and growing up, hash, Coke, feed, liquor.

I did it all, you know, and none of it scared me. Not a challenge, not a dare. just wonder what this will be like. And I was never a drug addict. I was never an alcoholic. My family was an alcoholic. I don't want nothing to do with that. I saw what it did.

And there was a time in June 3rd, 1993, Durango, Colorado, 1.3 in the afternoon. I said, I added up all the hurting of pain that drugs and alcohol had done to me, you know, because I was asked going in on a work release by my woman Marlow. you don't have to go in for two days. You want something to drink, and it hit me. So let's just add this up, and I quit. I quit. Smoking cigarettes, pot, whatever it was.

You know, I liked them all, you know, parted with the rest of them. And I just had enough. Open my mind up. I've had a lot more to do with up here, you with the thought. Then I turn around and join the Hells Angels. You know, one extreme to another, let's just say. How long did you serve in the Army for? I was in total four years.

Why did you leave? Huh? Why did you leave? Been there, did that at the time. Now I look back on it and further back looked back on it. And maturity, the age I am now and what I'm capable of or the age that if I could have retired and stuck with it and it wasn't that bad. I, everybody has in points in life, you know, wish I hadn't had to done this, I wish I'd, I wish I'd have stayed. I wish I'd have retired out of it. I don't know what path it would

have took me, but it was a very good learning experience and it matured me in a way that, you know, matured me quick, real quick. Where'd you go after the Army? Where? Yeah, where? Oh, my. That's, uh, I came home. And there wasn't nothing left there for me. I wanted to go more. I mean, the venture was in me. So I made a deal with a buddy of mine, Tom Dishin, who meant he's my pasture today. We ran together hard.

He went one way out one another, you know. And he'd been praying for me for 40 years, man. And when I come back, it was the old Tom Dish and the fuzzy hair and the food man chew, bouncing in the bar and rolling up a dude. be and said, hey, I know where there's a triumph, hard tail, get you up and riding again. I said, man, I'm in, you know. And when I put that together, I did a little construction and got me some money together. And I think my first thought was, I think I had down from Ohio, I had down to Alabama

for a beer or something. And off I went. And that's when that stood on the horizon really started grabbing a hold of me and looking and going and put me into the places that I went in the dark and where I'm at in the light, you know. Why Alabama? Why did you pick there? I was in Gadsden at one time, finishing some concrete, and it sounded good.

You know, Alabama for a beer, why not? I off I went. But on the way down there, I ran into, I had a bad battery problem down. Huntington, West Virginia, and I'm on the side of the road, the roadside rest, and guys got jumper cables on the old triumph, old hardtail. I mean, that was back in the days of greasy jeans you had on for three days, and, you know, sleeping bag on the Springer front end, old school, you know, and guys pulled up in an old Chevy Bisqueue, I think it was a 1967, and they said, hey, the problem, I said, yeah, bad battery.

Well, you going to an L.A. that party down there they're having at the Golden Goose and Huntington? I said, what party? They said, the Avengers. They're boating in a new president, state president. Avengers. I said, well, I heard of them once. They took on the outlaws at Charity Newsies in Columbus, Ohio. No joke outfit.

And they're from, at the time, Michigan, Ohio, West Virginia, and Kentucky. One percenter outlaw club. Bad boys back then. 70, 1980, 81 maybe, 79, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 2, somewhere around then. I thought, well, if a guy can't find a battery at one of them, then, you know, the devil ain't running with you, you know. So I pulled down there, and here's a big party going on, and chopped hondas and chopped Harleys and all parked around, and I stopped and I looked around, and it's, you

big old boy of red hair, flaming red hair, all bushed out and my beard about down to here, looked at me and walked over and I dropped the kickstand thinking, well, here we go, you know. And he stuck his hand out and he said, Prick. Well, I was going to hit him because I thought he called me a prick. But his name was Prick. Because a probate hollered, hey, Prick, you want a beer? Yeah, I'll bring him one too. You want to bear him?

And I introduced what I said, I got a battery problem, man. And he holler for some guys and probates, which is prospects in some places, said, find a battery and don't steal them out another brother's bike, you know. So I ended up with a battery and I ended up staying with them for about a year and a half. Did you end up prospecting with them? Yeah, I was a warlord for a hundred West Virginia charter after one year. Ward with pagans and outlaws and didn't take no crap from him either, but yeah. What was it like being around those guys when you first meet him that day? Oh, my brotherhood.

A bunch of guys that relate to what you do, how you are, who you are, what you represent. And at that time in life, that's, that was my identity, was a biker. Do you feel like that was the first time you really felt like you fit in? Absolutely. You know, besides Penn's old station with those old boys punching me around, you know, some airplanes I jumped out of with some, I don't know first. Yeah.

I mean, they were, they were really, look at you like, you know, and give you a nod of approval, you know, maybe not a word. And sometimes that says more than words, you know, look. Now, do you have to convince them to be able to prospect with them? Or how does this like? What happened? Yeah, I was hanging out with them. And Prick's dad was construction.

And, you know, boom, we was doing a roofing for him. So I was making money and sleeping on the couch out on the back porch. and at the clubhouse had a place upstairs. I fit in. I mean, I wasn't a hang around or nothing. I just, with friends with Prick and the club, said hi to them. And then there was going up to Columbus, Ohio,

for a national with Columbus charter. And Dave, he's a president. He said, hey, we're going to go up there at National. You want to go up there as a guest, you know? Put a tag on you. It says you're a guest. and you won't get beat up too often, you know. And I said, nah, I don't think I want to be like that.

And Prick looked at me and I looked at him. I said, I'll tell you what I'll do, though. If I can go as one of you, I'll go. And Dave said, put a probate patch on him. And that was, everybody heard about that West Virginia probate. I was good at what I did. I wasn't no beer bartender. I fetch a beer or two, but he didn't run over me.

He treated me like a man, and that's what I ask him. They'll treat me like a man, won't they? They said, yeah, they will. Then I'll get along fine. I'll get along real fine. I went up for a real good time. Met a lot of good people. I wasn't standoffish like, you know, I'd better not say nothing.

If I had something to say, I'm going to say it. And I got along with it. That's always how I'd been able to get along. If you've got something to say, say it. You know, it's going to be right. How can it be wrong? The only time it's wrong is if you don't say it, how I felt about it. it. So I got along real good. I made a lot of good, good friends out of that, that crowd.

What was the process like back then? Back then? Yeah, to prospect. Oh, my goodness. Bike up and running a course and any of them, you know, be ready to go. Call your middle of the night. I remember being down at the Golden Goose and there's a bar up four blocks uptown called the Top Hat. And then there was another one over three or four more blocks called something. and I was at the Golden Goose and Prick calls me and said, get up here and rack these balls for me on the pool table. Well, I figured I could just run up there faster than I could just jump on my bike and ride up there.

And they thought that was pretty funny when I kind of sprinting off in there. And then I had to go over, that was to the top hat, and then I had to go over that other bar because they planted themselves over there to see how I was going to react to come over there and rack the cue balls for them there too, you know. And I ran over there. and they joked about that for a long time. Why'd you ride your bus?

It's faster. The time I got that thing started, I could be there. You know, fighting, you know, not taking no crap from, you know, we had problems with people, you know. The pagans was always around. I was always trying to flex a little bit, and we didn't take no crap from them. You know, we were who we were. And, you know, we were men, you know, we didn't kiss their, excuse me, Lord, you know, we didn't kiss her ass, and we didn't go to their function to spend our money to give them.

We went because we wanted to drink beer, and we wanted to say hi. You know, that was the way it was with that club. And you see a lot of them today that he says support clubs and this and that, and it's a bunch of butt kissing going on. I hate that. Even when I was a hell's angel, I hated seeing that. You know, the Red Devils when they came around, they thought, boy, they can give us a hug now, you know, a bunch of punks, excuse me.

And I'll say that out to you today. There, Red Devils. He was a bunch of punks. You know, you didn't rep good enough for me. What do you think it really meant to be a biker back then that maybe the current average day bikers might have lost sight of? A religion, man. A hippie, long hair and beads.

A biker. A chopper in dirty jeans and cobblestone boots and long hair. a bandana with a vest, you know, and drink more beer than anybody and fight as hard as anybody. And tough, you know, tough. That's what it was. When you was a biker, when you call a man a biker back in those days, he was a biker, I see one percenters out there today that are too clean for me, you know, too flush a job. I had to call yourself a biker, you know.

I mean, I never run around dirty. We try to stay clean and everything, times change. But just the attitude, you know, the attitude also. A lot of them don't have that today. They use that attitude for something else to gain something, to gain something within the club that's not true. What's one of your favorite stories from that time period running with that club? The Avengers?

Yeah. we were uh this is a good one we were at a party at our clubhouse and a club called the uh well the name of them here uh brothers brothers of the wheel uh they were a puppet club for the pagans and then the pagan showed up to that party several um four or five of them you know some of the reps you know the big shots I'll tell you welcome, hey, you know, and our party was Michigan, Ohio, West Virginia, all of us were there from at West Virginia, our clubhouse. And one of the old boys come up and he had a tray with a bunch of lines on it. And I thought, boy, a bunch of cocaine, you know.

Got out there and, boy, I huffed up, well, it wasn't. It was PCP. And that made me mad right then. Well, before it took Holt. This guy got all high and everything, so we put him on ice upstairs at my bedroom. You stay up here, don't come out or whatever. Well, he ended up finding my shotgun in the corner, and he stuck it out the top and blew off a couple rounds. That scared the Pagans.

It made them mad and said, we'll be back. I said, well, you know, don't hurry. Yeah. And later on, we were invited to up to Parkersburg, to the ranch. It's their farm. to a party. Hey, come on up. I knew what that was about.

That was wrecking and coming. It was wanting trouble. So I called Columbus, and I said, hey, we got invited, called Fox up there. I said, we got invited down here. He says, hang on, I'll call Michigan. He called me back. He says, don't move without us. We're on our way.

And they made an officer's run down there incognito. Nobody knew. Everybody jumped on their bikes from Michigan. Ohio, Kentucky, and met at West Virginia Clubhouse. And we headed out to that farm to party, and they're standing there at their gates with rifles and all that, you know. And what they expected, I think, was 15 or 20 of us riding in there. We came in 72 strong.

Drink all their beer and smoked all their pot. That was pretty funny to me. So there was no altercation? they back down? Oh, I wouldn't say they backed down. I wouldn't say they wouldn't have backed down. But why test the waters on that one? Because, you know, as far as we were concerned,

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these snacks are definitely a commissary upgrade. Explore my digital cookbook on Hungry Route today and find recipes that are right for you. Go to Hungryroot.com slash locked in to access my cookbook, the commissary upgrade. How did the communication work? I know you're saying you guys called on phones, but there's no cell phones to text or if something you develop. You got house phones. word gets, prospect show up, you know, hey, come on, they want us down here. You know, that's how. You was always ready to go. You had a kit packed, you know, grab a bag, throw it on, let's go, you know.

What would you have in a kit? Oh, not a toothbrush, you know, that's for sure, you know, soap, towel, stuff to get the grease off, you know, sleeping bag, a couple pair of jeans, a shirt, your leathers. and never had a ground pad. You always slept out on the dirt with a sleeping bag. It's that thick, you know, things like that. But you always had that ready to strap on to go somewhere, you know. And what would you guys do for money back then besides construction? It worked.

Construction, mechanics, you know. Just random jobs? Yeah, yeah, pretty much. You know, some of them, you know, I worked. I was a carton. Well, I was with the Avengers. That was my job. people think, you know, I never dealt no dope or nothing like that or anything like that.

I know we had a little moonshine racket going on down south, you know, down south was pretty cool. Did you guys have dues? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. How much were they back then? Let's see. Ten bucks a week, you know. That was a church night, ten bucks a week.

Heck, some of the guys couldn't afford that. We had give it to them. Sit there and hand away here for your dues. you can throw it out. But, yeah. What were the clubhouses like in the 70s? Oh, my goodness. Oh, it could have been anything. Take your little nice room out there and throw a bunch of dust on it and turn everything upside down.

Couches, chairs, bar, refrigerators, cooler, you know, bathrooms, you know, and tile, wood floor. Ours was block. It was 8, 8, 16, concrete block. you know. Would your own brothers fight amongst each other? Oh, yeah. That was normal? Yeah, I wouldn't call it normal, but if you had a problem, you better take care of it.

You know, you darn sure didn't say something about somebody and then sat down the same table and don't have nothing to say. Don't do that. That's chicken's crap, you know, if you got something, you know, if you can tell me about it, then you better, if he comes in and sets down, you better be able to tell him about it to me and you're going to have a problem over it. You know, but yeah, we fought, you know, you know, I don't like what you do. We'll step outside, you know, let's go. What about marking people out bad back then? Was that a thing?

Not as much as it is today, you know. Usually you could quit over a family thing or, you know, you had enough. I remember one brother getting, one brother getting thrown out because of he didn't work, you know, he's on the dope, you know, and try to get him straightened out, help him, you know, get his dues caught up. Brain was a good dude. He just got out there, you know.

And sometimes you had to think he had to lock him in a room, put a probate in front of it so he doesn't crash through it, you know, at times. Or sending a probate in there beat him up, shut him up or something. But back then, you had help not quitting, you know, guys cared. There were more brotherhood back in those days than you got today, and that's because of the largest that these one-percenter clubs got. You know, everybody wanted to be, you know, one-percenter, you know,

the outlaws, banas, hells, angels, warlocks, sons of silence, on and on and on, you know. It's because there's so many of them and you're protected by them. And you may not have any relationship with the guy five states over, but he may say something to somebody that will cause you to get killed, a war, you know, no communication on that. We get along with some of them here, and over here they're putting bottle rockets through each other's clubhouses, you know, take care of your own backyard.

Never heard such a thing in my whole life until I heard that at a West Coast meeting over the Mongols. Well, they're over here doing it, and Steve says, well, you know, we don't care. or just vote and take care of our own backyards. What? You know, they killed a couple good friends of mine. And just because you get along with them over here, you know, and I'm wanting to kill them over here, that's not right. You know, it's not right.

I think if you had a problem and the guy causing the problem, you better take that to the table because it could be over anything that's got nothing to do with you. but it still puts a sight on your back, man. Do you think there was less rules back then, too? Oh, gosh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

You had a lot of less rules. You know, don't steal from me, you know. Well, borrow my bike only if you ask. You know, leave my old lady alone and my girlfriend, you know. And if you have it to give, give it, you know. and today, oh my goodness. Yeah, ridiculous. You know, one man, one vote, and a lot of it.

We had a national president in the Avengers, Carl up there, he was the one when I was in, and he could call the shots for the whole state and run the meeting for the whole state for the officers. And pretty much, but the hell's angels today is one man, one vote. everybody thought well Sonny says so that's it no that ain't it

he's one vote you know you gotta take it to the table sometimes we got involved in so much politics it was hard to get anything done literally you know

state votes month 60 days USA vote six months world vote you'll never get that one through you know year better, you know, over little stuff.

How are the Avengers with law enforcement back then? Terrible. They didn't like us. We didn't like them. You know, most of your bikers back then had more of a rebellious attitude and showed it back then than it did today because they dressed the type, you know. Heck, you take some of these guys and peel their patch off. You wouldn't even know as a biker, you know, or 1% or whatever.

but now we stood up to them a lot more, and they were tougher. They'd fight you. You know, you get in a fist fight with cops pretty quick, you know, or get beat down by them, have your buddies jump in. But today, oh man, you get shot. You know, you can't do none of that stuff, you know.

That's rioting. That's racketeering, better in the club, you know. But back then, nah, we argued with them, you know, argued with them. But now, and I'll say it like that, but then again, you got freedom of speech that hits so hard today's world. That's all you hear. Feeders age, fiduciary. So you're allowed just about say anything to anybody, you know.

But back then, you meant it. You know, you meant it. Why do you leave the Avengers? I broke my ankle. I got hit by truck. On the bike? Yeah, I think they run me down. I can get my gun out quick.

enough to shoot a truck. And I couldn't be positive who it was, but I have a feeling, you know, who it was. There was a little altercation at one time. And they were no joke. And they come out of an alley. They were tailgate me for a while.

There were four of us. Anyway, he'd come out of a side alley and everybody hit the brakes, and I caught the corner panel of the pickup and went down. And I come up, by time I come up and reach him from a gun to shoot a truck, he was already, pulling out. And Rayman, he was our, what do you call him? Oh, he led, he led, more or less led,

you know, the trips, you know, he was a road captain. He was riding with us, and his old lady jumped off and wrecked in the purse and shoved a pistol in it down on him, and he peeled out of there. He had a KZ 900, Kalasaki, his kid could ride it. too. And he didn't catch up with him. You know, he couldn't catch up with him. So I can't say who it was. But I went back home to R&R on that, and they fixed my bike and brought it to me, and Big Dave met my dad and this and that. And I was, there was a circus in town called DeCarsion and Barnes, biggest under canvas. And I was going to go down there and see if I could just sell tickets because I was on crutches. You know, I need to make a buck, you know. And they

wouldn't hire me. And Dave and them come up and, well, what are you going to do? They called me wrench. I had a wrench tattoo because I could mechanic pretty good, you know. So wrench, what's on your mind, man? I said, man, I think I want to roll out towards Arizona or something, you know. I'm about, you know, take my stuff, put it a little nice, whatever you want to call it, love you all, but I want to, I'm running for myself. You know, I want to move on, go somewhere to see something. different. And they hated it, don't do it, man. Come on. Nah, let me go for a while. I'll let you know if I'm coming back, which I called and said, I'm not coming back, you know. And that's when I, that's when I headed with a cast on my right front foot, pins in it, screws, I said a truck

is strapped to the side of that. I had a sportsster at that time, a chopped sportser I traded for, Hartdale, you know. As a matter of fact, they built it after I wrecked it. They built it for me. And I headed to, I headed towards Arizona. And I was in Oklahoma putting out through there night. And I saw way over there, Carson of Barnes crossed top of the three big tents, three big tents under canvas.

I said, I'll be doing Oklahoma City on I 40 or 44, I think it was. I thought, I wonder if they'll remember me. You know, this is a couple of two, three, three weeks, month. So I wheeled in back there and went all the way to the back. They had their own mechanics, trucks. They could swap a motor out in their own, they took care of themselves. Fuel trucks, tire truck, everything. This was the biggest under canvas.

The next biggest was the ones that did the stadiums, you know, what's his name? But anyway, I pulled back there, and Tim was the, owner's son who ran the show. And I put it up there and pulled my helmet off, you know, half with a bubble. I pulled it off and he looked right at me and shook his head. He recognized me. And I throwed the kickstand down. And I didn't regret that crutches.

I had that cast on a hobbled up. I said, this cast's about ready to come off. I said, do you think you got something for me to do? And he said, you come all this way? I said, well, I kind of saw you from a freeway. sure you use some work. He shook his head and he says, can you drive a semi? I said, absolutely.

Never been behind one in my life. I said, absolutely. I ended up driving three elephants and a rhino. That was my job and helping with mechanics. So they took my bike from Oklahoma City down to where outside of Hirsch, Texas, where the station, that was their winter headquarters. They loaded a truck and took it down there to park. for me until I got done.

Because I promised I'd stay with them until it was over, you know. And after it was over, they paid me off and took me back there to get my motorcycle and I headed on to Arizona. How much did you get paid for that? Oh, my goodness. What was it back then? I'd probably made $80 a week, food, place to sleep, which was a cab of my semi, you know. And they had a pie car where you could shoot craps at night or you could size.

for food and then they take it out and they always held back money they held back your pay a little bit so at the end no matter what happened to you you always had a truck coming you know they took care of you that way if you went up no i want all my money where you ain't getting it you know that must have been such an experience you know traveling and being a part of a circus in that time oh my goodness um putting a, I stayed mostly right there, you know, put the, put the elephants out and on a pivot, you know, and everything. I remember one time I heard this whole line of elephants, they're on a chain with a clevis to their front foot. And that clevis could be that big, you know, them little screw things. With the trunk, they could undo that.

I seen them fool with it, and it ain't no bigger than that, and he'd undo itself. Well, I heard him go off, and I happened to look, and a zebra had got loose back behind there, and the zebra come running behind it, and two of them elephants just buried it. I mean, killed it, right? Boom, right there. I thought, whoa, they end up feeding that to the lions. And then we're standing there in line,

and one of the elephant guys comes back to me, you know, comes back where I'm mechanic, and they said, we got some trouble up on the line. Boom, you know, we all dropped our stuff and went up there. Well, the owner, Tim, had gotten a fight with some of the hoods. And his dad got into it, like to knock his dad eye clear out of his head. And when we rolled up there, it was like, I don't know, 10 on 2, 4, you know, we were getting

our butts kicked until we got there. And then we mowed into them. The cops couldn't even get that one shut down. They ended up showing up, and we ended up fighting with them too. But dad over the road with them, if you broke down, they were there for you, you know. And just constantly something going on. The way they tore that thing down and used elephants to prop them post. up and do all that.

It was really, really phenomenal. And that truck is that elephant's home. If you park it, get him out to go to work. If you drive out away and he ain't in it, he's chasing you down. Yeah, screaming. You know, and you just shake your head. It was a different world. Everybody had their niche and everybody had their spot.

And everybody showed it, again, with identity. and all of them throughout the years just chasing that horizon of a of a circus. It was something. Now, you said you were running from yourself. What about yourself were you running from? I didn't have nobody. I didn't have, you know, back when I was about 15 in basketball practice, we had a student teacher from Ohio University helping us with our basketball.

And he was a Christian. Everybody knew it carried across and everything. And he handed me a book one day. He said, you read, Jobie? You know, I was a point guard, good guard. Yeah, I said, I like Good, Burr. I'll read. Yeah, and I always did like to read.

He had me a book called The Cross and the Switchblade. About Morrist and going to New York to take on the gangs to show them the Lord. And I opened it, and I couldn't put it down. It was about gangs, you know. And what's this rural Ohio boy? So, wow. about street gangs and the fighting and the knife and the shooting and all this, you know, and the life living where you take up for a brother.

And he prayed over me after that. And I know what the Holy Ghost is, but I didn't know how to take care of that guy. It scared me to death. I had nobody at home to help me. The spirit took a hold of me. I came back to school next day without any sleep. stopped at your gym floor to go see my counselor, you know, my teacher, my coach. And I looked up and I said, leave me alone.

And it was gone. And from that day on, through the service, the stories that I've told so far, all added up to that moment because it was like the Lord kicked Moses off into wilderness for 40 years. it was about 40 years later when God pulled me up out of the dark and shined the light on me and said, okay, it's time. And I was ready then. And that was after prison, preaching on the yard, the hell's angels running in Mexico. I finally found the horizon that I, that was real.

That was real to me. And when I topped out and looked and the Lord was standing there, I accepted it. and that was the best that was the best thing ever happened to me in my whole life right here today you know was accepting God into my life do you feel like you're doing the wrong thing to your brothers leaving the Avengers

like that? No, I felt more wrong leaving my hell's angel brothers like I did you know, fighting my own not getting along with some seeing a person that isn't earning that patch, he's putting it on to be somebody when I was a person that made that patch.

I saw too much of that. And I saw, there's some good men in there, man. Don't give me your own, you know. But you X out the drugs and all that, which I could. I've been through the life. I know what I was seeing

and where I was looking at and everything. But when you start going down the road all alone, and I always like to be by myself, for some reason or another, here I am belonging the biggest club in the world, and I like to be by myself or down the road with one brother and usually my best friend, Sonny Barger, riding with him.

Me, it'll get no better now, you know. But when I had to fight my own for jealousy, for something that wasn't true, something you couldn't explain saying, hey, you're wrong, but we had to throw hands. And we had to throw hands so bad that I look at it right now,

and it could have got a lot worse than that. And I saw it. I could have got a lot worse than that. And I thought, you know, when you're tired of the fighting and the killing and you want to kill your own, something wrong. You better,

you better reevaluate the situation a little bit. And I did. And it wasn't Brotherhood. It wasn't somebody going to take a bullet for me, left me stranded. I went to take on the Vagos. Me and two other Hells Angels, three of us, really, but three of us went in the bar against three of them for what.

I got along with him. I got along with them in Las Vegas. I knew them in Arizona. I knew them in King. I didn't care. You know, They're men. You can go tell them what to do.

You know, it ain't that there, Vago, you're a hell's angel. They're men. And they believe in what they got. They believe in their brotherhood. They believe in, you're no better than I am. And that's that. And that's all it's about, you know,

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That's drinkag1.com slash locked in. What happened when you got to Arizona? Tell us about that. I rolled into Arizona and had a little money in my pocket, and I was down there at South Mountain Park, drinking some whiskey with some winos, my bike on the kickstand. This cowboy got out of pickup.

I saw him in a hat and come around to pick up, and he was walking towards me and these two winos. And I stood up. He said, hey, I got a semi-full hay out of Craig Colorado down here at the stable, South Mountain. I need help unloading it. You want to work? I said, absolutely.

And there was afraid of work. There was, there will be, not today. I, you know, I honor myself and be able to help or work. You know, I'm not lazy. So we went down there. I followed him down on the motorcycle, you know. And here's a semi-full bailed hay, and there's about three of us, and we started chunking hay and stacking it, and we got done.

And it was a riding stable, South Mountain stable, Ponderosa Stable, South Mountain, Arizona, South Mountain Park. and dude rides hourly rides convention groups for steak fry with hay wagons and you know dude wrangler dude set up you know and a driver come up and he said hey I'm so-and-so and you know Keith Hagler and Rex Walker used good men like you that was the owner and they had seven stables in Arizona five or six in Colorado they had 5,000 horses that they farmed out to these stables. And I thought, I'll do that.

I know horses. I can get around that. Excuse me. And I shoved my bike on the back porch, took dirty jeans off and washed them and went down at a thrift store and got a cowboy hat and a vest and pair of boots. And I hung up the Harleys. I quit.

I quit riding. I sold that bike. I started riding horses, wrangling dudes, and then I went one step further, guiding the mountains, someplace that the Rockies, the women Uintas, the Uintas, the Gila, all the wildest places in the west. I wanted to see them. I wanted to see him horseback. I wanted to be a last in a while, Bill Hickox, man, last bill of the kids, you know. And I grabbed a hold of that life.

identity. I left that one, was able to get this one, and I liked it. And for a long time, that's what I did, and I became good at it. I could go to work anywhere I wanted to go. If I had a, I learned how to shoot horses, I learned how to drive teams, pack mules, guide hunters. I have my own outfit in business today called backcountry guide service. I hunt mountain lions in the high mountains in the rough country and the dirt with, with, with, I had tick hounds, horseback, chaps and spurs, hunting mountain lines. And I got elk hunter from my place right there at the ranch, yeah. And I held all of that for a long, long, long time.

What drew you back in to the bike world? Take a good drink? Yeah, of course. That's a blow you away. I've been at a lot of tough spots, even in the mountains, you know, a wreck with a bunch of of mules and pack strung everywhere and hurt, you know, and things like that, but tough, tough enough to handle it. And I don't drink or do drugs, so I see trouble coming before it even gets there and this

and that. Well, something happened. I was in Durango, Colorado. And that was before I quit drinking, I got in that trouble up there, and I quit drinking and I was up there. And I went to Canada. I met a, I was a guy in Elk Hunter, had an outfit in Canada in Ontario, and he had a big bear camp on a fly-in or boat in Lake way up in the outback. And he said, you work good in my program,

you won't work. It was a month of, half a month of May and a month of June. I said, heck yeah, you know, bait bears, kill bears. So I went up there and I made a bunch of money. I had to have no one to spend. So I did real good. And I came back, and, and, And then I went to next year, and I made a lot more money. Well, right then I thought to myself, I'd like to build another bike. Just thing. I think I will. Maybe a 750 chopped Honda or something, you know, back in the old day of the Avengers.

That was really a bike of choice. They liked them chopped Honda, 750s, fast, lean, good-looking, you know, whatever. Didn't have to be a Harley. So I thought about that. Well, Marlowe at the time she was. my lady and me and her split up. And I went back to Arizona from Colorado. She was a veterinary technician.

She went back to work, veterinary technician. Well, even though I didn't drink or anything, I liked to shoot a good game pool. And I was good at it. And this girl, girlfriend I had at the time named Dawn, she attended bar. And she was a good pool shooter. Me and her, it hook up, shoot pool, and date sometimes, sometimes not, you know. And when I came back from Canada thinking, oh, Bill. another bike. My buddies down at the Buffalo Chip Saloon there in Cave Creek said,

hey, Jobie, you need to talk to Dawn, man. She's, she's dating a Hell's Angel. Well, the only bike club I knew in Arizona at the time was the dirty dozen. Well, that year, they'd win Hell's Angel. So the dominant club, you know, that took over Arizona was the Hell's Angels. They were, that state belonged to the Hells Angels. What a place to have, you know. I thought, well, you know, she's big girl. She'd take care of her. you know, I can't see her doing too many stupid things. I tried the day to hell's angel, you know. But I went next morning to see her, and at the bar, she worked out,

the wagon wheel up on Bell Road in Arizona. And when I walked in, she squealed kind of behind bar, gave me a hug and kiss, you know. I looked, and there was a guy sitting there at the bar, the Hell's Angel patch on, a skalky guy, and I said, introduced me to your friend. And she turned around, it was Hoover, Hoover Seabert. president of Cave Creek Hell's Angels. And we introduced, and he said, you're that tour hunting guide she talks about. I said, yeah, riding guide, man, horses and hounds, you know.

I said, trying to put another Harley in the group. I'm going to try to build me another one. And she said, yeah, she said you used to ride with a club called the Avengers. I surprised me. And he says, and he saw that, like, why would she tell? something like that to him, you know. And then he said, I'm originally from Michigan.

Dang. He's a biker in a biker world. Michigan. The two top club, three top clubs up there, really, were the outlaws, the Avengers, and another club has a blue city color, devil's disciples.

We're up there. And I said, Michigan, huh? I said, we're going to do some name-dropping? he laughed. I said, where's your bike at? He said, out back.

I said, let's go look at it. And here he thought every cowboy wants to go out, look at his motorcycle. We got out there, and I dropped the name to him, and he dropped on to me, and I dropped on, well, we knew the same people. And I said, he was going to take a motor out of that bike and put it in an FXR he was building, which is a model of motorcycle with shocks. And that hardtail he was riding, not on a high prospector for the hell's angel a hardtail.

and I said, well, what do you want for that? I'll buy, I'll get a motor built and put in there and I'll have bike. He said, I don't know. So we exchanged, that's when we had pagers. We exchanged pager numbers. And the next day, he paged me at afternoon. We met at Denny's to eat. And he said, I'll take that motor out and leave you everything else.

All you got to do is plug it in. Put a motor in. I'll leave belt drive everything, transmission, kickstart, electrical, everything. I said, well, what do you want for it? He said, I'll take $4,000 for it. I said, okay, here's what I'll do. I said, I'll give you $2,000 cash right now.

And then when you take that motor out and give me the bill, sale, transfer, I'll give you the other $2,000. He said, okay. And I said, I ain't got nothing to do. I got a pickup. They were building a new clubhouse. I said, I got nothing to do.

You know, we'll run around. need some help, whatever. You know, power around, I don't care. He goes, okay, yeah, that's cool. Well, I ended up helping build on the clubhouse and met those guys. And then we had to go, and that's how I got, you know, back into getting around. But who else? Why not?

Hell's Angels. But I didn't have any attention at the time. I just dealing on a bike and hanging around with some guys that were identified as bikers. What did you know about the Hell's Angels back then? Nothing. notorious uh whatever you know

I hadn't heard much noise about them I mean I wasn't where they were I was never around them the first club I ever saw was at uh bravard North Carolina at the Federer's convention that was South Carolina

North Carolina had a big drug conventions party that they called a Federer's convention that's the first Hell's Angels I ever saw and I didn't go near them I took down from a distance they had to roped off area and I figured They want privacy.

They can have it. I wasn't going to go in there and pile up. I knew my place. You know, you just don't do that. And that's the first time I'd ever seen them. I never run into Hoover. He's a man. Straight shooter.

Say it like it is. I get along with you fine, you know. Look at me sideways or don't look at me at all. I got a problem with that. You know, but maybe we ain't got along good. How long did it take for you to start prospecting with them? We went to Oakland, okay? to get some parts,

Sonny and Johnny Angel were moving to Arizona to Cave Creek. And Sunny like Cowboys, like the West. He did some time up there in Arizona, you know, and we were going there to get parts, and I had the truck, and Hoover had the trailer, and Johnny Angel had a garage full of junk.

So up there, we went to Oakland. On the way, I said, am I going to meet Sunny? Probably. I thought, cool. You know, I didn't even know what he looked like. You know, I think an iron horse magazine or easy rider, they had this guy that looked like pee-wee.

It's a free Sunny Barger. I thought that was Sunny Barger, you know, that picture. But we went up there and we backed in and was loading parts. Here come a pickup truck and out stepped a pretty girl and sunny with that trache. You know, in shape, you know.

And Hoover said, Jobie is the Sunny. Sunny is a Jobie. I remember shaking. He had first words I ever said to Sunny Barger was cool. And Noel had horses, a breed of a quarter horse called Pepe, Peppy Badger, Peppy Sand, the name of them. And she said she had horses. It's sunny like cowboy. Yeah, she's got horse.

What kind? She told me. I said, yeah, I wrote some of them, Peppy Sand. and Buckingless horses you ever get on your life, you know, Hancock horses too. She kind of looked at me, you know, and Hoover looked over, or Sonny looked at Hoover and said, where'd you find this guy at? And Hoover said, there's more to him than you think. So we exchanged pager numbers.

That's when we just right before we got the cell phones. And I told I shoe, I'm a horse shoe. So I'll help you, you know, let me know when you get to town. Here I am telling somebody, give me a call when you hit town. you know. And, but that's just the way it was. He's a good man. You know, I saw it in him.

He looked you in the eye, outspoken, you know, meant what he said. And when he talked to you, he knew he was talking to you, you know, not everybody else listened and he was talking to you. And I admire that, you know. Well, he moved there and, and I told him I'd build a bike after he got there, you know, getting it from Hoover. Well, the trade came around, and I got a motor built, and I was seeing Sonny, went horseback with him, gave him a few lessons, you know, and helped around.

And I was working at the time, too. And I got the motor running, got it on the bike, got it to bike, got the bike, got the bike running. So I left at where I was staying at on a ranch up on Pinnacle Peak Road and took my pickup down to Sunny's house. And it was Thursday morning. church was that night, Thursday night, meeting night. And I pulled up early, and Sonny always offered me a cup of coffee every time.

Cup of coffee? Yep. I always have a cup of coffee with him. I said, let's sit outside. We walked out, and I dropped the tailgate, sat down. And he looked and he said, what's on your mind? I said, well, I got that motor in that bike last night and it ran pretty good this morning. Good.

I said, I think I still got enough ass, you know, for that hard tale to get around the country a little bit. Well, what you kind of wondered what you were going to do when you got that running. And I said, well, I'm here to tell you what I'm going to do. I said, I'm going to join your club. And it'd be an honor if you'd bring me up tonight and sponsor me. And Sonny looked at me and he says, we got a lot to talk about. but you got balls and I don't have a problem with that. And we talked about a lot of things.

And I remember the first really things that came out and he said, you know, you've been around a little bit with the stories. He says, but be prepared to lose your woman, your home, your job, go to prison, get shot or get killed for this club. And I'm thinking to myself, man, it's just a club. you know, and then I had all this drone at me. And being physical and violent wasn't new to me.

I could be. I wouldn't fay pull a trigger. I always told somebody, you know, it's easy to kill, man. Kill all his friends that wear you down, you know. I said, okay. And it was a year hanging around, year of prospect. I did it all in eight months. I was a hell's angel in eight months from that night.

Why were you okay with it when he told you that? That identity, man, identified with it. It was a world that I'd experienced and I could see it and it was violent. It was good. I mean, there was laughs and everything, but you're always surrounded, being able to be ready for that violence. And I always was. I could see it coming before it showed up. That's why I was okay with it.

Well, it's nothing that I haven't experienced. It's nothing I won't be. back down from and it's nothing that I can't handle. And why I'm doing that is because I got the man, a friend, and he wasn't a, Sonny Barger wasn't a brother to me. He was my friend. There's a big difference. You call a brother a brother.

I ain't got very many friends, you know, but he would one of them. And I was ready to ride that road with him a little bit and met a lot of good people. You know, I can name them today. Some of them with bullet wounds in them. Some of them dead, you know, in the ground that were my friends, good men. Some brothers. I've seen the biggest parties and seen it all out there and look at like, wow, man, you belong to something like this. But was it true?

Was it a true identity? And I did find out later on that there's just too many of them out there for themselves for what they could get out of what they had on their back. And that's the truth. You know, there's a lot of truth. What was a difference prospecting for the Avengers versus the Hells Angels? A lot cleaner, less physical hands, you know. You had to show not what you would do or not what you could, not what you could do. You had to be that man that stood in front of me one day and talked to me,

and I knew he was talking to me. You had to be that type of man. You know, to not lie to anybody, not look too-faced at him, you know, respect whatever. If you have a problem with it, approach it, don't let it build. And a lot of people don't do that today. They're false. They're lying to themselves.

And the worst thing you can do with the club is lie. That'll get your ass kicked. Better tell truth. And the truth is, there is no brotherhood. And there isn't a person who'll take a bullet for you. You know, I witnessed that. You guys know my story. I owned a nightclub when I was 18 years old.

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Early 50s. How'd it feel to get patched in? Wow. When it was handed to me, I put it on. I thought, well, this is it. You know, this is it. It held a lot of weight. It was heavier, and I thought it would be.

A lot heavier. You know, and I don't mean in the same, and in some sense the weight, but that weight carried a lot of turmoil, man, a lot of, a lot of want to know if you're going to make it home. A lot of know if you, you know, if you're going to be a walk away from this one, because it's going to happen. It's going to happen to you.

You get one of those clubs a day, you're going to go war. You're going to have to throw hands, and you're going to have to want to kill somebody. That's just a way. it is. And a lot of people don't have that in them. You know, I saw it at Harris Casino. I saw puncher strode that weren't meant to hurt, just making a, but I saw guns and knives that meant to kill. You know, I had my hands on it myself, you know. Hard life today that some men today can go into that lifestyle and live it and survive it and some men that's going into it today have no business doing

what they're doing because they think that makes them the man when you should be the heart and a man that makes that and to be a have to give up your family and your life and everything for that I think that's the stupidest thing I ever heard in my life and if you think that's right then you go head and do it, but that's a big mistake because God don't like that. You know, God wants to be the man, man. He wants to be the source that you're living for. He wants to have grace, the faith. Don't put your faith in that packs, man. It'll desert you. It'll play a Deverez advocate with you, you know, take it off and you think you're tough. Take it out off and follow the Lord and see how tough you are. I found out how tough I was when I took that road. Boy, I welcomed it, you know, but it was a hard road.

Believing and believing and believing until finally you understand why you got through what you got through. It's because of this. That's what he did. You let me get through all that life to write that right there, cut free. To be able to cut free from all the horrid things in life, alcohol, drugs, prison, You know, I preached in prison. I took the Lord to prison with me. I didn't find him in there, you know. But he'll cut you free. He'll cut you free from that.

And I tell people, you know, towards the end that I don't have what you need, but I know who does. And his name's Jesus, you know. When you join the Hells Angels, were they at war at the time in the late 90s? Oh, absolutely. Not in Arizona, but the monies. were coming. They were still fighting the Mongols and at their front and the East Coast, Midwest, the outlaws and the pagans. I mean, it was on site, you know, and here we are,

the dirty dozen wouldn't let none of them in the state. They were, them to be reckoned with. They were different. I mean, they were tough. And I'll say today that the Hells Angels had to come and party with the dozen and swoon them and say, look, you can travel now out of state and this and that, and you've got all this and that, if you'll become Hell's Angels. I think Hoover told him, well, why don't you all just become dirty dozen?

There was some tough boys, man, from what I heard, you know. When was the first time you had to get into it with the Hells Angels? You mean fighting? Fighting, any type of altercation. Oh, a few bar things. you know, that's becoming, you know, disrespectful or whatever. But the biggest battle when I turned a brother beside me on a motorcycle, headed to a casino called Harris.

And I looked at him and I said, you got a gun on you? It was the cowboy, Sergeant Arms Cave Creek. And he said, yeah. And I said, people are going to die tonight. And that was when I was riding the war with the hells, Andrew. That's when I knew that it was life or death where I was headed and I was going to walk through that door and meet it head on. And I said to myself, so this is what it's about, isn't it?

And saw one of my good brothers get shot. Me and him were going to go fishing, you know, with Tommy Via out in Kentucky Hells Angels. And the brother got shot, the president of California nomads, Festus. me and him bragged me he's a country boy like to ride by himself me and him were going to go out there and go fishing with Tommy

and uh I saw him get shot on that casino floor with a mongrel wrapped around him and the gun was hidden but you could hear it go off and he slumped that was the fight that set things apart in my whole life right there as far as

being and wanting to take care of business for the hell's angels What year did that happen? That was in 2000, 2001. So not so long after when you joined? No. It was a Loughlin River run. It was a run that just got my patch and that spring was a Loflo River run.

Yeah. And the Mongols came. Went in there incognito just to see what they were doing. I mean, another member from Alaska. Man, they were posting up. There was a bunch of them. And San Francisco was living there, staying there. Now, we went back to the Flamingo, and I told Big Mike from Richmond and Dennis,

and I said, man, there's some problems up there. And the Mongols have been posting up some of our support booths around the Laughlin area, the parking lots where we had. So we knew it was coming. The police showed up, tried to talk to me, and Mike and Dennis. We wouldn't even talk to them. I think Dennis looked at it and said, we'll police our own. We'll take care of it.

And it wasn't after that that the phone call came. San Francisco's in trouble. And the Flamingo emptied. 65 live Hells Angels went at casino. 63 live came out. Everybody went in there, got handcuffed, nobody ran. The Mongols run like girls while we were shooting at them. Did you get arrested that then?

Excuse me? Did you get arrested that then? Oh, yeah, everybody did. Yeah. He lost my gun, my knife. Tried to be life back into Festus. He's died on me right there. His eyes glade.

After he said that, he saw it was me reaching over him. He had blood pooling under him. He liver shot him. Mike, I ripped it open. Mike squirled over there and put his thumb, put his finger in the bullet hole, and I was giving mouth to mouth and chest protections. That's when he said, we've got to go see Tommy.

We got to go fishing with Tommy. and then his eyes glazed. I lost a good friend right there. I was mad. I was mad. For what? All that for what? A cop came and he started giving pushing

and I started giving mouth to mouth and we lost him. And they handcuffed us and I shoved my pistol underneath his bloody body and my knife was gone and handcuffed. And that cop came back over and he said, if it's any consolation, he said, there's a couple of them dead too. And I looked at him, I said, well, that ain't enough yet. That wasn't enough.

I was pretty mad at him, guys, for killing my buddy. For what? For test them, we're badder than you are. We're not, you know, it all goes back and forth, man. They're saying it to each other. You know, you ain't shit. Well, you aren't either. Okay, well, let's shoot each other.

Now, that war started before your time. Yes, yeah. So how did it feel to be? fighting a war that, you know, you weren't even a part of. See what I'm saying at the beginning? You know what started that fight? George Christie told the story at a swap meet. And Marino, California, and there was 30 or 40 Mongols, and there was eight or ten

Hells Angels, and one of the Hells Angels' ex-wife was dating the Mongol, and he walked up there and lit the Mongol up over it. And that's what started the original fight between the Hells' angels over a guy's old lady, you know, the guy's old lady, shame. And she wasn't even a part of the club. So someone not even a part of it? I had to, for someone wasn't a part of it, it became the whole part of it. To be able to show that trustworthy that you'll stand, you know.

What happened after you got arrested, did they hit you a charge? Or did you? Yeah, they took us down a police station there in Vegas and took all our patches. And I was walking back to Harris to go get my motorcycle. I was burning up. Everybody else was too. We had a run site on the other side of Bullhead City across the Colorado River. And they were shuttling us back and forth.

They were getting us rides. And I just walked up the road. And this quick story was this girl coming behind me, an old shovel. Had, Radley Shovelhead. And I, Hell's Angel T-shirt on. She said, you're Hell's Angel? I said, yes, I am. She's set back on that old shovelhead,

sat back on the back seat, let go. And she goes, take me where you need to go. Like, I'm here for you. I said, I'm going to Harris and get my bike. Just take me there. I jumped on, and I rode her up there. and it's top of the hill I stopped cop cars everywhere

and I said I'll get off right here I don't know what's going to happen down there she goes do you have anything on you I said no I have nothing she wrecked you in her pocket and I still have it today and hand me her a force army knife

isn't that crazy hand me her from here I opened it up stuck at my pocket so now I got a weapon you know if I did it I still have it. But the Mongols were long gone at that point. Yeah.

Yeah. Even our bikes were at that point. Where did the bikes go? How did the cops? Impound. They hauled them all the way. That's a lot of bikes. Boy, wow.

Yeah. Especially where they had them, had them out in the middle of nowhere. An impound yard over there in the desert. Yeah. Yeah. How long was a casino closed for when that happened? Oh, the whole town shut down. Everything.

They wasn't letting people over the bridge. They was looking for every Mongol hells angel that could, trying to identify everything. Did the feds get involved? Who? The feds, FBI or anything? Oh, gosh, yeah. ATF, you know, SWAT, feds, FBI.

They hit us, they hit us with racketeering, everything else. You know, they could think of rioting and aid abetting with criminal street gang, you know, the whole thing. Murder, Cal Schaefer, he was pulling his trigger left and right. That man was blasting away. And he had never had a speeding ticket in his life, you know, and he's in there shooting at him. That's pretty admirable as far as back then. Did any of the charges stick against you? No.

Yeah, I failed to abide by a pretrial lease. I split and went to Mexico. Really? Oh, yeah. Why? I was looking at it with Jay Dobbins and all that came down at the same time with the Black Biscuit. I was out on pre-trial release, and I knew I didn't want to go to prison for 80 years. And then Jay came along and, you know, all that.

Man, I was looking at life. So Jay's operation came? Right during it. That's the ones they went after. You know, I said, we need to. Everybody that was involved with getting down in that casino was Arizona, hell's angels. He said, these guys were the ones doing the cleaning. We need to concentrate on these guys, and they did.

Had you ever met Jay when he was undercover? He was my prospect. Jay was your prospect? I started Skull Valley. I needed numbers. Jay came in as, you know, solo angels, and I knew him as that. I knew the story behind that, how they became, you know, solo angels. And I didn't know he was a fed.

He was a gun runner, bought a little dope, bought guns, a collector for mafia. He played that around and used some members to play it. And they saw it firsthand. Yeah, man, he went in there, slapped the guy up, took his car keys, his vet, robbed his money, ate his food, and told him to pay off the rest next week or come back and do it again. How to make you feel when you found out he was a fed? Oh, my gosh. Like he said in the book in this book, he wrote my epilogue.

I finally got a hold of him after all these years when I was writing a book. he said it right. He said, if he's going to tell me I was going to have to go meet Jobby Walters, I would want a bulletproof vet and a SWAT team. And he had darn sure going to need it, what he did to me, you know, befriended me like, he played the game. He did. And they were good at it.

And he was never meant. You look back on a job. He wasn't there to say, okay, I'm going to put Jobie away for life or Carl or Bad Bob or this guy or this guy, I'm going to put him away for life. That wasn't his intention. His intention was to gather information to give to somebody to do that. You know? So, but he was still a cop, and we never got along with him anyway.

But I look at him as a man and what he suffered through that I found later on. It took us a long time to touch base again, remote my epilogue, you know. But he, they deserted him too. like the club deserted me when I went to fuck the Vago's. You know, they didn't show up. They didn't, you know, they didn't help me. And Navago's no joke. If I don't want to, if they had come in my bar and beat me and two of my buddies up,

I would have lifted their clubhouse off the foundation that night and shot at everybody coming out of it, you know, and they're the same way. That's what you did in those days. And nobody showed up to help me, man. you know, I went back to Kingman and the other two Hells Angels, Cape Creek didn't show up. Nobody showed up. I told them I was going.

Everybody, you know, the bog, I'm going to go down the boyhead. I'm going to fight them, and I'm going to tell them about it and probably beat them up. They're getting a fight. I'll be leaving at 7 o'clock Friday night, be there. Three people showed up, three other Hells Angels. And one watched the bikes, and the other two of us went in the other side, and we got to fight with them, and we choked them out. and beat them up. I went back to my house. Those guys left and I'm sitting there putting 8-8-16s

concrete blocks in front of my windows because I know they're coming. You know, let them come. That's what it was about. But I knew right then I wanted out. I was done. So now after Harris happens, the stuff with Jay comes out, how's angels start getting arrested, and you flee to Mexico. Yeah. What year is this? This is still around the same time as Harris or a little after? Oh, no, it was at 04, 03. So you were on pretrial for a while? Oh, gosh, yeah.

Pre-trial release, federal. Were you still active with the club? Non-association, you know, wasn't allowed to be around. Didn't have patched wear, didn't care. Getting along fine, doing my work. I wonder how it was going to go. I lost a girlfriend in a wreck. That devastated me, Caroline.

And all that was going on. And then my charter skull valley wasn't as strong as everybody wanted it to be. And just so much, it was going on in my head, man, that it just, it wasn't real anymore. So when a Hells Angels arrested, he's disassociated? Is that how it works? He's disassociated when he's arrested? Yeah, usually you're on no contact. They don't want you around any of them.

So all the major players are on no contact at that point? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, we're making phone calls and trying to talk, but I didn't care, truthfully. I was a loner in the club anyway. I didn't care. I did good on paper, you know, tell me not be around for a year, not a problem. I won't.

So why do you think you had to flee to Mexico? Why did I have to go? Yeah. Because if I got convicted, it gave me life. My sentence was life sentence, not life. life, but the years, and they had me dead nuts. They had me. And I said, Lord, I'd went back to Ohio for a little while and seen Tom, my pasture,

buddy, and we rode down to the Ohio River. And I had a patch on then. And here's a Christian Motorcycle Association patch and Hell's Angel patch going down Route 7 on Ohio River. It turns some heads, I'll bet you. And we were down there on an old dam on. old dam in Buckminton. He was quiet.

And I asked him, I said, what's on your mind, brother? He put his arm around me, and I put mine around him. And he's the only one I ever call me George. The only one. George Edward Walters, they called me Jobie. And he said, George, he said, if you don't quit this foolishness, you're going to get yourself killed. I know you.

And right then was, something happened. When I rode away right then, I wasn't a, to be a Hells Angel, you got to be a Hells Angel 100%. I wasn't a Hells Angel when I rode away from there. I was looking for a different identity then. I was chasing the horizon that I had to run from.

I ran from that one. You know, I went to Mexico. It's in my book, The trip to Mexico. I rode horseback down there, sent my dogs and my mule, my truck, trailer with another guy that knew I could get them across. I went down there for two and a half years and made a living, hunting matlines and bears on the big, yeah, I made connections, cattlemen's association.

I was running for, my book tells the story of me running from a U.S. Marshals and ATF through the desert, three days, horseback, to sneak into Mexico while my other stuff was paid to get in. And when I crossed over there, it's something to be able to just turn your back on it. it and say, I had enough, Sonny. You know, I'm done. I quit. I had it.

Thought my own in my own clubhouse. You know, I had some problems with some other boys out, another charter. It was stupid. And after all that, just all of it added up. And it just wasn't in my heart, man. Sonny didn't like the way I did it. And I tried to reach out to him afterwards.

Because I know the ones that I let down will look at me today and say, well, rats don't do what Jobie's done and he was a good man he was a good member I wonder what happened a lot of people asked that question there's probably a lot of lies out there about it

but I went to prison by myself when I come back and went I didn't tell nobody nothing they thought I did I flimflam I had a half million dollar bail got it down to 50,000 and then tried to run again it caught me

but no I'd had enough. So you officially quit before you ran? The second time, yes. Yeah. Oh, the first time when you went to Mexico, you didn't quit yet? No, that was the federal. But when I went to second time, I was done. I was going back to those ranches that I rode to high lonesome with,

where I was free. I rode where no white man ever ride, you know, hunted some of the toughest country in the world, after the most elusive big game creature in the world, a mountain lion. And I made a living at it. Why'd you come back from Mexico? They said they could drop the charges the first time. All of them got dropped. And I copped to a failure to abide by pretrial release,

and that gave me six months federal. The second time I came back, my mom was sick. And I snuck across. Backpack, burritos, gallon of water, a phone to call buddy saying you remember this place where you used to hunt up there that had that old church yeah well I'll be there in three days will you drop what you're doing and come and get me yes I will Joby hung up the phone three days later I was at that old school house and he was waiting on me and I went back to Ohio to visit my mom she was dying

that's the only thing that took me back and I had a family member that was drugs and gambling and everything and he thought there was a reward out for me and I think he turned me in and I was headed down to Georgia to see an old girlfriend and I was going to take a boat back across Gulf of America now I was going to take a boat back across the Gulf back into Mexico

I had connections I hadn't lost much and Greyhound Bus when I was pulling in Savannah, Georgia to visit Angie and her little daughter Peyton. Right when I got close, she said there's a lot of police here. And I said, is it a bad part of town? She goes, no. And Lord was with me then, man.

You know, during that whole thing down there in Mexico, even, Tom sent a box down for me. It's in a book, The Box. I'm going to leave it to that because that, that led me up the right the right horizon that box we sent full of stuff for me to help me and when I got there

I told her leave when I got there there were bullhorns and camo and rifles and he was waiting on me it was me thereafter and he got everybody off the bus

but me I'm in the back on that three bench seat back care about the bathroom. I remember one of them sticking their head up over and say, Jobie, I said, yep, it's me. He said, if you don't come off here, we'll kill you. And I said, well, you may have to. And I had a pistol.

And I thought, here we go, Lord, man, just like I knew I was going to go, shoot my way out of here, this is it, this is it. And the Lord said, trust me. I said, what? He said, trust me. And I said, well, give me a minute. He says, why I'm in it? And I said, I got to pray.

And I opened a door and dropped that pistol down into that blue water down there and walked out. They said, on the ground, I said, I kneel for nobody. So they put me on the ground. And then they shipped me back to Arizona. And that's when I turned around in court and said, guilty of all charges. That was the Vago incident, rioting. helping a criminal street gang, half million dollar bail. I didn't tell the cops nothing.

They knew everything I ever said. I just won my bail down so I can run again, you know? And I turned around the courtroom to three Hells Angels in the back dress like me and you are. And I said, I've had enough. I'm done. Leave me alone. I'm going to go to prison by myself.

And I say that out to you guys today, all of you, Hells Angels out there. I went to prison by myself. I took God with me. I didn't take you guys with me. I didn't need you no more. I don't want nothing to do with it. Good luck.

Good luck. But you've got to remember one thing, man. The Lord died on the cross for you too. For you too. How'd they react when you told them that? What could they say? I don't know. They didn't say nothing back there,

but look how many years ago it's been, and I ain't been hiding. I work on a cattle ranch, and I work hard. I got a home for the rest of my life. Brother and Johnny Johnson give it to me. You know, I got three friends in my life today, and he's one of them.

He gave me a home for the rest of my life. And he knows, just like at one time when I rode with the club, that I have nothing but the best interest for you. that's what makes it trust i couldn't trust them no more but they could trust me you know what's your last conversation with sonny barger outside the clubhouse cave creek when he looked at me and said if you'll get a driver i'll show you how we can take care of this and that was the fight i had with another charter and i told him i said i'm tired of the fighting and the killing man

I'm done. And he said to me, I don't know why anybody would want to join this motorcycle club today. That's what Sonny Barger said to me. And that was the last words you ever said to me. I said, I have my driver. It's Davy, and he's taking me home. And I turned around and walked away from Sunny.

I tried to reach out to him one time to tell him, I'm sorry. I let him down. He was the only one I really care about. I know the others would understand if they thought about it. Jovey was all right. He just had enough. And I found God. And God steered me away from it.

You got to accept that, man. You know, you got to let it, you know, read my book, identify with what you see today. And you'll understand that there's something better. And that's what I went after. Do you think he would have hated how the club ended up becoming? Absolutely. Absolutely. from what knowledge I got from him

and the stories of, you know, the way the club was then and how it is today and so many politics and people, you know, George Christie saying one time, I was in 40 years, I'm lucky I got out, I might have got myself killed. How? After 40 years, because somebody's jealous of you?

Possible. There's some no-brainer in there, you know? There's some guys that are good, you know, You got guys in there that's got their head full toot, you know, a crank or whatever. And a member looks and say, hey, you want to earn your patch? Go do that. And it'll do it. Not knowing the outcome of their actions, except they're high and they want to identify with something that's just a lot more bigger than they are.

Now, going back to that federal case, why did they drop the charges and only give you a a six-month sentence for that. The tapes and all that, just like Jay Dobbins' case, it never came to a head. A lot of evidence was withheld. And the judge had no more than had to. You know, then you're going to pick individuals. Let's start looking at some tapes.

He didn't do nothing. Protect himself, protect himself, protect himself, you know. And so, yeah, they tried to throw a net. And that's the way it is. I mean, you're going to get hit. with five or eight indictments. And really they're after one, but they've got to get a bunch of them to hold you.

So usually when they come out with eight or ten, we know today after so many court trials and maybe a little smarter that they don't have that much. Where did you do that federal time? Florence, Safford, as a whole, mostly. Stafford, the federal was, if you were going to do a crime, federal, man.

You know, heck, you got green grass, ball field, basketball, church, you know, all the food you can eat. State sucks. Excuse me, Lord, you know. But when I went into, they brought me back to Kingman. And I was in the word, a good bit then. And I was in the hole there at their new jail in Kingman and got them a little window. It was my turn to come out.

take care of my cell and shower and whatever, TV. And I got down on the landing, second landing, and I thought, Lord, what I do, you know? Because everybody's looking out that little window, there's that Jobby, at Hells Angels, it's always been around. Job be a kingman, man. I ran Kingman. Kingman in the Biker World was mine.

I had a good time with it. You couldn't deal dope. You didn't get me in trouble, you know. I had a young crew. I was trying to put together from Mojave County. You know, boy, I'm sure glad I didn't. You know, what a young life to throw away believing in something that it's not real, or I might get them into, you know.

So I'm, I'm blessed with that off my shoulders. But I asked Lord, what do I do? He said, go get your Bible. So I turned around, walk back up and got my Bible. And from that day on, throughout state prison, I preached. So now you ended up with three years in Arizona State? Two and a half. Two and a half.

And that was for the case with the... The bogals. Okay. Yeah. And that happened after Mexico. Yeah. Yeah. After I came back the first time.

Yeah. Oh, they promised... Fed's, oh, man. They promised me the ranch down there I was wanting. It was $200,000. I'll put you in. Yeah, sure you will. I don't know nothing.

I told them, the first day you asked, I said, You probably know everything I'm going to tell you if you do, you know, I'll lie. I said, but don't ask me nothing about Sunday Barton. And whatever they had asked me, you know, there wasn't no answers for him. Sonny told him up to West Coast, I heard. He said, Jobie Flim flammed him. He didn't tell him nothing. He just wanted his bail down so he could run back to Mexico.

He liked it down there. And I did. I liked it down there. So did everyone in state prison know you were already out as a Hells Angel when you got there? Yeah. Yep, yep, yep, yep, I was done. Yep. And did that affect your sentence at all?

No. No. I threw hands for preaching. I got in a fist fight over preaching. Through hands for the Lord. Talking to the Srinos and the Nortinos and the Pisces and the Arians and all of them with a table, all the shot caller. Said, hey, man, you know, won't you, you guys been shot and beat up and drugs and this and that. And you call the shots for your crew, man.

I want you to lead them to God, a lot safer, getting along on the yard, you know. Probably still deal all your dope and everything, but still it would be better for them, you know, and they wouldn't listen to me. And then the Pisces come up and said, quit trying to talk to our guys. And I told him, I said, I don't deal for nobody but the Lord, man.

You got a problem with that. So let's, let's handle it. You know, I didn't want the, I didn't want peckerwood. in on it. And I just told him, get your guy and we'll meet over here by the phones. And there's a little place back there. You could hook it up without getting seen.

I said, let's get it on, you know, open hands, no, no shives or nothing. I said, in the winter stays on the yard. Winter preachers on the yard is what I did say. And they brought a good, you know, but I had a little more heart than he did. And we got it handled. And they tried to sneak him off the yard and they got caught. He was all bloody, and I wasn't no worse for wear. I bluddyed out and scratched and whistles went off.

Everybody against the fence. And I said, Lord, help me out of this one. And the guard come by and said, oh, gee, I had scratches and, you know, shirts off the marks, black eye, bust them. He said, what are you doing beating up on these youngsters? I said, we're all right, man. You can bring you back on the yard. We're all right. So I went to segregation for 14 days, come back on the yard.

It was all good after that. Did you encounter other bikers? No, not many. There was one guy in there said he was a hell's angel and he wasn't. Then there was another guy from, he said he was from Kentucky, Tennessee. He was the next yard over. He'd got thrown off our yard over there for some reason. He was in the hole when he'd come back and they told me about him.

I thought, boy, he's a liar. It's going to get him hurt, you know. He's not a hell's angel. So I called the shot caller over there for Pecklewoods. I said, you know what's his name over there? It goes, yeah, yeah. I said, he ain't who he says he is. Go light on him.

I said, but he isn't who he says he is. He says, we kind of figured that, thank you. So they straightened him out a little bit, you know. They didn't hurt him too bad. What happened to your skin patch? Do you still have it? My what? Your skin patch for the health case?

No, I covered everything out. Did you have it when you were in prison? No, I covered it all. I had a skin patch here. I had a world run here. I had a USA run here. Hells Angels down both sleeves. And I got that one covered up in prison.

It was the last one I had. It was 2002 world run, France, French Riviera. I covered it up. Nah, I was done. I didn't want nothing on it. Why do you feel like you had to get rid of them? I wasn't who I say I was. You know, hell's angel, better not have it on you.

I wasn't a hell of angel. That's the way that is. I've seen some kind of, that stuff come off in the hardest way, you know. Yeah. If you knew what you would have to get involved with when you were a house angel, would you still have joined?

No. Flat, no, no. People say, oh, I wouldn't change nothing like, yeah, you would. heck you're going to lie to yourself sure there's things backer you're going to change now learning experience i was the man before i went in there i didn't have nothing to prove i had nothing to prove to anybody to myself or anything i just chasing identity and running from horizon to horizon having fun doing it and that was just all part of that but the trouble that it gave me and the heartache the hurt and the pain it caused myself and other people i'd have never done it

What's one thing you wish you could take back as a hells angel? My life, that life, I'd have never come out of the mountains. It was too rich. That's all I can say is too rich. Like, wow, you know. But that only lasted a short time. You know, like a teenager going to prom, it's pretty cool. You know, for a while.

and it wasn't cool no more. What do you think your favorite memory is from your time as a hell's angel? That you'll hold deer with you forever? We were on away to Sturgis and to have Sunday's book signing. I was, they had me a bunch of money in Cave Creek

from Route 66, Chicago to L.A. I was rode beside St. Teddy went with me. He was a president of Skull Valley at the time. I know we were on Cave Creek. I hadn't started at Skull Valley yet. And we had a prospect with us. And we went up there and I got arrested three times.

Well, we're headed back to Sturge, me and Sonny, and to go do a book signing. And just me and him on the road. Pretty cool. We hit Nevada, Santa Fe, hit 25 to go up to Denver to see Denver choppers Mondo up there, you know. He was a good friend with him. Well, it was getting dark in Las Vegas, Nevada, not in Las Vegas, New Mexico.

Well, I used to guy and lope hunters over there when I was in Colorado. I knew that country. And we always stayed at a bed and breakfast there. Real nice house, nice lady, you know, good rooms. And we pulled up, and I said, I know where place we can stay tonight to Sunny. He nods his head. I zoomed back through there and we pull up in front of this house. bed and breakfast.

We get off and he looks, he takes his hell. He goes, only you, only you. And we go in there and we make ourselves at home, you know, and made me ask him. I said, hey, Sonny, I said, you've been God? No. I said, why? He said, do you? I said, well, yeah.

I said, I always had a little Jesus in me. And he said, if I was a real God, he said, if I was a real God, said with all the problems in the world today with the people and the kids and all this and that going on, he'd have come down and fixed it. And I said, now I said, he did that once. He will come again. I said, but it's going to be harder on us next time. You know, he flooded it once. So you're he said, you're getting all religious on me? I said, no, brother. I didn't get all religious on me. We laughed. We laughed. But that conversation always strike me at that time because I always, and I say it today, Sunday would have made a good Christian. He was a leader, you know.

And he always had that one second or second and a half when he wrecked you up to talk to think about what he's going to say. You got the real deal. Most people just shoot your mouse off. Not him, you know. So I think just the times of sitting and looking and looking over at a man that's looking off, wondering what he's thinking with the life that he's lived, the club that he gave his everything to, you know, looking over at that man, I had to honor him a little bit.

I liked him. He had integrity. He never lied. And he was, he believed in something. Too bad it was the wrong thing. But maybe not in his eyes, you know. Maybe not.

It's just like praying for veterans, you know. You can pray for their handicap, but that's something they're going to have to live with the rest of their life. Why not pray for their soul to help them get through that, you know? And that's what I saw in Sonny. It's all a good soul. You know When you're in prison and you were alone

How does it feel to kind of not have that brotherhood With you that you were so used to for so many years? Didn't bother me It was over I gave it up I didn't tell you why I don't think about it Especially the last two and a half years Putting this together

You know I mean don't give me wrong You know every day that I even Was building that hardly You know what was in my mind And even like before I got here, I wasn't thinking about maybe the stories I'd tell you. I was just thinking about a lifestyle that I live that you're going to want to know about and these people want to go to know about.

And we're going to know how to be able to get out of it, you know. But I found out one thing that was real important to me in prison I identified with was inmates. The harsh is the hardest. McCloskey, for instance, that murderer. I preached to him three foot from his cell. because of the line. I told him, I said, they're going to take you to New Mexico, and they're going to electrocute you. They're going to kill you. You know,

what do you got to lose, man? You know, have peace. You can't have peace with that crazy ass mind, excuse me, Lord, that you got going on in your head. There can't be any peace in that. I know it. I was there, you know. But what them prisoners look for today, and everybody does to identify with something that they want to attach to their life, for what it is, is love, respect, and forgiveness. That's what they want. Everybody in life, that's all they want. You can find here.

You know, that's what that ain't about a dollar bill or anything, this book. It's about being able to pull yourself out of the dredges and find a life. that you can finally live with. Takes a lot of work. But once you grasp it and once you know you're getting answers, it's very much worth it. What year did you get out of prison?

0,8 or 09, 10. My probation was done in 11, 2011, was when I was really done, done, done, done. So you were in the club for about six or seven years? I was in 10. 10 years. Yeah, 99, then count in prison time. and everything else.

I was going on 10 years. Oh, so you considered yourself still in the club then Tiltooth while you're in prison? Yeah. That second time? Not during Navajo one, no. Okay. No, but the federal and all that and the time I was on the lamb and all that. Yeah, I still had on you.

I could call out. I could get something if I needed it, you know. What happened when you got out of prison that last time? Oh, man. I went to probation. and the probation officer I had was a real not-so-good person in my eyes. And he made a mistake of saying, well, people like you end up going back anyway,

and I blew my top. He's lucky he didn't get his death thrown on top of him. And there was a lady that stepped out and said, hey, and I looked over, and her name was Sue Williams-Hancock. She was in charge of probation, state probation, And I met her on the yard because of the name Hancock, Hancock horses. And I went by and I looked and I said, Sue Williams Hancock. I said, you ain't part of that quarter horse breed artist.

She goes to my grandfather. I said, boy, that's saying a lot because they were spunky horses, man. And we touched on that. And at one time, you know, she said, what are you doing? I said, I was a hell's angel at one time. But I talked to the mountains and all that, going back to the ranch, Johnny. And when she stuck her head out, I said, this guy has got a problem or he's going to have one. And she said, come in here.

And she goes, what was your number? And I told her, and she punched it in. She kept punching. And she goes, when do you want to go back to the ranch? I mean, they had me sewed down, signed out with Davey. I had to sleep there every night. And, I mean, I couldn't live like that. You know, I was used to doing Jobie.

stuff, you know. And I told her, she said, when you want to go to La Ranch? Because she knew I wanted to go to the ranch. I said, tonight. And I had a year's probation. And she said, call me once a week. And if I need a UA, I'll call you. Have fun, Mr. Walters.

And I walked out of there at Freeman. I knew right then, out of everything that had happened to me, from the day I met Sonny. and the prospect and making it and the fights and the shooting and the killing, I'd finally won something. I won my freedom. Did you ever run into any other Hells Angels during that time period when you got out of prison? No.

No. Talked to Pee-Wee, but he's out. I was surprised he, that was cool with him getting hold, you know. Had you known Pee-Wee-E-W-E? Oh, he was a good member. Pee-Wy worked hard. all the way from Wisconsin to San Francisco. He had a soul in it, man.

He did. And he believed in it, and he worked hard at it. He trusted people. He'd do anything in the world for you. He was one of them good hell's angels, you know, and take you to the floor and got you by the back. You know, he was there for you. How do you feel about what they did to him?

Sucked. Excuse me, Lord. Did him wrong because of jealousy, because he had the balls to say, hey, you know, you don't believe in me, I don't believe in you, and if you think this, you think that, maybe I don't need to be here no more. Here you go. That should, oh, I pee, wait a minute, man. No, it wasn't like that at all.

We're jealous of you anyway. So, okay, go. And a week later, they said, well, now you're out bad. I mean, come on. The same people he would have died for. Darn right. Same people he would have walked through the door and kicked it down and went around them or held them back why he took care of it. That's the peeway I know. That was the peeway. I liked him.

He's a good man. I spent many hours with him. Yeah, I like that guy. I was glad he reached back out to me. What about George Christie? How do you feel about him? I don't know George that well. I met him once, Missoula, Montana, the USA run, and he was surrounded by his tennis shoe crew, the Venture, the Venture, well, that's what we call him, young guys. But no, I never knew George and went, you know, he quit like he did. I thought, well, that's cool. And then, boom, he's out bad. And he blames it on Sonny. And George, that's not true, man. You know, take that little squabble legacy you have with Sunny.

I mean, I'm a 10-year-a-veter. I talk, but I've been in the same circle you have. I know people like you do. I'm smart enough to know. That man didn't have a problem with you. You know, you didn't have a problem with you. You know, everybody wants to kick you when you down, you know. But George is there a long time, man.

He's done a lot of work. He put in a lot of work trying to make peace, you know, like Hoover. And they shoot him right there, you know. Are you considered out bad? Yeah. Yeah. How does that make you feel? No, I don't care.

I know I'm not. I know who I am. You know, I'm not a liar, and I'm not a rat. So, you know, take it from there. Do you think these young new Hells Angels respect you? The young new Hells Angels members. Do you think they respect you, the old-timers? Absolutely.

Same I had for them. Same I had for them. I'm sitting at my house. Sonny shows up. I'm on federal pretrial release. What are you doing here? So-and-so is trying to get back across the border after the Loughlin incident. been gone five years.

And they think that you can get him back across so they can get a lawyer with him. I said, well, yeah, I can get him back across. This is after I've been to Mexico. I got connections. I had a fake ID. I had a passport, a visa, a voter registration card. I was a Mexican for a long time. But I was with the colonies.

I was white. That's why I didn't know. because I was with the colonies. The colonies down there mean the Mennonites or type of Mormon group. And I knew how to get ID and everything, but I said, yeah, I can get him across. So I met with the guys.

They said, how much you think? I said, I bet I can do it for a thousand. I said, what time do you want him at Walmart in a barber chair? That's what I said. Be his smart butt. I'll have him at Walmart sitting in a barber chair at what time. and I went down, took a friend of mine with me that could cross over, got him, got the phone

call, got him at the hotel, got the connection, and the only thing I said to him over the phone is I'm sending some men to your room. When you get there, you call and tell me which room you're in, he did. I said, I'm sending some men there. Trust them. That's all I can say, brother, and you'll be going home. Trust them. And he did, and he went home.

So those men right there, yeah, they got a lot of respect for me. And I'd do it again for them. And there's men like that all the way through the club, the old-timers, that I sat and talked with and not just the air, right, right, but life, man, you know. Just regular life. Maybe a story here and there, family, you know, what did you get out of this, you know? And those are the men I credit, I credit to today. day, those older guys.

And they're getting thrown out more than anybody now. Yeah, do you think the newer members today respect those old timers? No. No, they respect themselves. Look at them. They're cell phones and all that. It's not changed, you know? They're just bikers with a cell phone that are tough.

They need thugs is what they need. They need a bunch of thugs in there. If you're going to be Hell's Angels, be a thug. Go join the Hells Angels or the pagans or whatever. They need you. I come to a meeting one time, Cave Creek, a guy out front. I didn't know him. I was just called out of, I come down and take care of some business.

I said, there's that kid out there. I said hi to. Oh, so and so, yeah, he goes to college at night, married, got a two-year-old, and he's a prospect standing at our door. Does he know what he could lose? A wife and a baby, a career? Not so much the wife and the baby. You know, that tells me you don't care about him.

I'd have got rid of them before I joined the hell's angels, so I don't worry about it. But, yeah, no, they don't show that so much respect anymore. Since you've been out, have you been able to make friends with people that are out bad from other clubs? I haven't talked to, I don't, that's not my life. I're still riding. It took me a long time to get on a motorcycle again. I didn't want to trigger nothing, but the Lord said you can ride, ride, you know. but no

I got I got an awful good horse I'd give up my Harley for you know that's the life I have now I live out there in what I call God's world you know where he put me and I soak it up

so the bike it doesn't mean that much to me anymore sometimes you know I always thought it might you know at freedom of the road and everything but more and more than I'm going along and this book come out and my life where I'm living. I could do without it. I really could. What do you know now that you wish you knew when you were 18? What I knew now. Family? Wish I knew my family a lot better because there was a

long time down the road, brother, that I missed them. And I gave them up for something that was not. And I didn't realize it until later on how much they really cared about me and who they were for blood for blood and how I should have wondered how their life's going to. You know, maybe I could have helped them. But that one word, I wish I'd have knew my family better. How do you want to be remembered? The man at Road to Ruff, horseback in those canyons. I told me one time Johnny Johnson said, I heard him tell a youngster this.

He said, if you don't want to see some real, real tough country, get on a good horse or a mule and put a pack of lion or bear dogs out in front of you, they'll show it to you. I want to remember the guy that, you know, turned people to God and rode to rough, and that's the life you wanted to live out, you know, and I will. I'll succeed in that. I've already succeeded in this, this book, in the Lord. Now, if I can just keep riding, you know, that's how I want to see it. Cut free, living with God, and riding the rough.

that's it well joby i appreciate you coming out here today to be on the show hey it's been awesome it's good to meet you yeah we do it again sometime and i have the link to your book uh in the description of this episode at september 22nd is a launch date on it and www jobie walters dot com and uh it'll put you how to follow and get it if you got friends in prison or a group or whatever get it to them man you know get it get it to whoever needs it out of in front. It's a good read because it's a truth and it's a truth about him and what he can do for you, you know, that's that's what we're at. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you. All right.