Locked In with Ian Bick - I Was a Nine Trey Gangsta Blood — Here's The Truth | Denard ‘Drama’ Butler

Episode Date: January 26, 2025

Denard ‘Drama’ Butler, a Nine Trey Gangsta Blood, was sentenced to 60 months in prison for racketeering after his involvement in a 2018 armed robbery—an event filmed by 6ix9ine. Labeled as a “hanger-on” in the gang’s circle, Butler faced serious legal consequences when Tekashi 6ix9ine cooperated with federal authorities, leading to major indictments. In this episode, Butler breaks his silence on life inside Nine Trey, how 6ix9ine snitched, his prison experience, and his path to redemption. He also shares how he’s rebuilding his life after prison and warning others about the dangers of gang life. #NineTrey #6ix9ine #Snitching #GangLife #TrueCrime #StreetPolitics #PrisonStories #HipHopDrama Connect with Denard Drama Butler: IG: https://www.instagram.com/obhbklyn_drama_bentley?igsh=MnR6MXpsYnhuanJ1 Thank you to MAGIC MIND for sponsoring this episode! Visit https://www.magicmind.com/ianbickjan to get 45% off the Magic Mind Bundle! Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Presented by Tyson 2.0 & Wooooo Energy: https://tyson20.com/ https://woooooenergy.com/ Buy Merch: https://www.ianbick.com/shop Use code lockedin at checkout to get 20% off your order Timestamps: 00:00:00 Introducing Drama Bentley's Story 00:05:23 The Importance of Surrounding Yourself with the Right People 00:10:41 Exclusive 45% Off Promo Code for Magic Mind 00:16:00 Reflecting on Childhood Mistakes 00:21:39 Embracing the Trenches: Philly's Second Home 00:27:22 Life Lessons from Prison: Building Connections 00:33:14 Legal Challenges in Court 00:38:37 Reflections on Regret and Family 00:44:00 Meeting a Famous Music Artist 00:49:13 Life in the Gang and Ignorance of 6ix9ine's Situation 00:54:31 The Unexpected Call and Virginia Trip 01:00:05 Arrest and Bail Circumstances 01:04:15 The Pressure and Consequences of Pleading Guilty 01:10:06 The Dangers of Oversharing on Social Media 01:15:00 Challenges of Reintegration into Society 01:20:24 Shifting Focus to Music Powered by: Just Media House : https://www.justmediahouse.com/ Creative direction, design, assets, support by FWRD: https://www.fwrd.co Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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your miles go further across the South Pacific. Book now at Fiji Airways.com or contact your local travel agent. Conditions apply. Welcome to All right. Drama Bentley, welcome to Locked in, bro. It's so great to have you here. Thanks for hitting me up.

I appreciate you, man. Yeah, you have an incredible story, and thanks for trusting me on this platform to share it today. Thank you, man. You know, I definitely appreciate you, man. But I like the comfort. I like the hospitality. You showed me around.

You got a lot of good things going on here, man. Thank you, bro. We're going to film some prison skits real soon. Yeah, we're going to do some real prison skits. You had to be just dressed up with the words jumps. I got to put you in there, man, for real. I gotta put you in it. I better get a cameo in your music video, man.

You definitely going to. I want you to. You know what they called me, Mcloven in the Fed? They called you McLevin in the Fed? I got McLevin tatted on it right here. Well, who did that? The Mexican?

No, I didn't do it in prison. I got it when I got out, and I got a portrait of McLevin on my leg. Why they called you McLevin for? Because I look like Mcloven. You ever seen that movie Superbe? Yeah, yeah, I seen it, though. A little bit.

But who named you that, though? One of the guys from New York. In the New York car. He's like, you look like Mcloven. and they call me that. And they call me Beber and Squintz from the sandlot. The prison guards used to call me that.

But I could tell in the fed, you was a person that, right, that everybody took a liking to. Not at first. They thought I was a chomo. Sometimes it'd be like that, though. Sometimes it'd be like that. But I could tell once they got to know you,

you was a person that everybody took a liking to. Yeah. Oh, once they warmed up to me and they realized my paperwork, they automatically labeled me bad because they didn't realize, you know? But once they read your paperwork, they realized like, oh, no.

Yeah. He's a good guy. I was down with everyone. You're sturdy. Yeah, I hung out with people all races, all different kinds of people, everything. You look like you played handball when you was like that. I can, I'm not that good athletically. I got into softball.

Would you make pizzas? I did make pizzas. And, yeah, I was a cheesecake, man. I kind of figured that. I kind of figured that. I was a non-big cheesecake. I kind of figured that. I learned how to do that.

My bunk you would do ice cream and I worked in the bakery at the camp, too. Mm. Yeah, but like the feeling that I got from you when I first, walked through the door like you was on the phone when I first came in I mean I met your buddy cool I heard you on the phone then when you came out one thing about me like I read people well like far as the energy stuff like that and when me and you first met when you came out the office I was standing right there whatever I felt your energy good energy though wasn't nothing bad I appreciate that yeah I try to give off good energy yeah yeah now you do

though. You give all great energy. You give off great energy, honestly. You do. Thank you, bro. That means a lot. Before we get into it, plug in your music, I want you to plug in your platform and everything. You want me plugging in? How are I plugging in? No, no, like, talk about it. Oh, shit. Where people can find you at and everything.

Yeah, I just dropped a mixtape. I did it for trail, but, like, one thing about this mixtape that I just dropped, It really mean a lot to me due to the fact that I named my mixtape after my older brother. He wound up getting killed back in 2006 by the police. So it's like I named it after him so it's not just only a mixtape for me.

You feel what I'm coming from? And I just like, I just named it off the strength that my big brother and I look up to him. Should like people look up to like certain people and stuff like that Like I look up to my big brother So that's why I named the mixtape after him And it's not just a mixtape to me It's not

I really put my all into this project that I just dropped I dropped it last week I really put my all into it So they could find it on every platform Mymxtape.com They could find it on YouTube You can find it on iHeartRadio you can find it on

Spotify you can find on every platform that's on every platform Apple music whatever platform a person that they can log into you're going to find this mixtape up there you're accommodating

I'm accommodating so you're going to find it up there on every single platform you're going to find it up there and we'll have the links in the description in this episode for you too for your music we'll have the links to everything

yeah to social media Before we get the going, right? Like, you met my manager, Kat, I mean? So it's like, how can I put it? I appreciate him because he believed in me. I appreciate him. 100% I appreciate him. All around the board, I appreciate Kat.

I mean? So it's like, he's one of my biggest pushers. He's one of my biggest pushers. So I'd be feeling like sometimes I feel like I got a lot on my plate. put it like this, the majority of time, I feel like I got a lot on my plate. But Cat is one of my biggest pushers. He's definitely one of my biggest pushers.

So when it's time for me to get in the studio and record, or it's time for me to do features and stuff like that, I'm going to get busy all day because Cat is one of my biggest pushers, honestly. And I appreciate Cat. I just want to put that out there. You need to have those types of people in your life. Yeah.

They're so important. You got to surround yourself around people that want the best for you. And I realized that. That's how I always got in trouble the majority of my life. I've been in prison the majority of my life, right? So I always got in trouble the majority of my life. Not even for, like, not even nothing dealing with me. It's just that one thing about me to where I might meet you today and I'm a kill a motherfucker for you tomorrow.

That's how I always was my whole life. But then I had to realize it had to realize. I have to really ask myself, like, would these same people do that for me? You feel what I'm coming from? And at the end of the day, right? I also have to realize, like, once you get caught in the jam,

your friends turn their, your friends, your so-called friends that you thought with your friends that you got caught in the jam for, they turn their back on you. They still moving on with their life. They got their kids. They're not even thinking about you no more. And then when you come back on the scene,

it's like, yo, I miss you. I did this, I did that. but yesterday ain't sent you a letter. They don't know if I ate last night in prison. They don't know

if my kids ate last night. They don't know if my girl ate last night. You feel what I'm coming from? So I really got to, like, I really had to sit and think about that type of stuff.

And that stuff, those type of things really be on my mind. Like, would you do the same for me? Would you do the same for me? And that's what I ask myself. Like, before I make any type of decisions, would this person do the same for me?

Because I know what I'm going to do, but would this person do the same for me? You feel me? And that's how I move now because I, like, and it be people that really at the end of the day, I got a bunch of felonies. So it'll be people that I'd be jumping out the window for and doing all kind of crazy shit for that really don't have no felonies. So I'm basically risking my freedom risking it all for you to, whereas you don't got no felonies.

And I know you wouldn't do the same for me. I know you wouldn't do the same for me. So those are the things that I really had to tap into myself with and actually tell myself like, you got to stop doing that for these people. Because if these people ain't going as hard for you, the way you're going for them, you got to leave them alone.

You just got to cut them all out. And simple. So that's what I'm doing right now. That's the process that I'm on right now. I got to cut you out. Because I know for a fact, you don't feel the same way about me that I feel about you. You might say it to my face. You, I love you.

I did. I understand. That third. But in all reality, it's really not like that. All this shit is smoking mirrors. You want to get technical. All this shit is smoking mirrors. So that's what I really had to learn.

That's what I really had to teach myself. Like, why I keep jumping out the window for people that's not jumping out the window for you? Even though I'm just that. type of person, but sometimes you got to put the brakes on yourself sometimes. And that's what I've been doing. Focusing on music, focusing on my family at the end of the day, focusing on the people that I deal with like that on a daily basis. I got to do that. I don't want to get caught in another jam. I definitely don't want to get caught in another jam for real, because at the end of the day, the only people that's going to suffer is my girl, my kids,

Those are the only people that's going to suffer out of the situation as far as myself. These dudes are going to go ahead, continue partying and serving clubs. They're going to forget about you. Out of sight, out of mind is real. So that's what I really had to teach myself. Start surrounding myself around people that feel the same way that I feel. And that's what I've been doing. And you learned that through real life experience.

I learned that through real life experience. The feds teach you a lot. One thing about the feds, I've been in the state. But the state ain't nothing like the feds. The feds is a different ballgame. The feds teach you a whole lot. It make you look at life differently. It make you look at your friends differently.

And make you look at the people that's around you differently. Sometimes you've got to think for others. Before, I didn't know how to think for others. Before, now, I know when it's time for me to go. I know when it's time for me to get out of here. Before, I didn't care. Now, I know. I see the signs

So I know when it's time for me to go When it's time for me to get out of here When it's time for me to go home These are the things that I know And that's real talk Now what's up? What we doing? Well, you got your drink there

So I got to have my drink this You ever have matcha before? What is that? So this is a magic mind mental performance shot Like it's matcha flavored If you want one, there's one there You can have it. Yeah, you got to try it man

I never heard of this shit before They're best served cold And you could take it Yeah it's so it's better Oh, it lowers your stress, sharp in your mind, calm your energy. Who made this? Magic Mind is the company behind it, and they sent me some. And they also have a sleep version of it, too, which knocks you out.

Magic Mind sent you this? Yeah, and for all of the listeners, they could get 45% off using the promo code Ian Bick, Jan, which will have the link in the description of this. But I take these, one of these before every interview, share it with the guests and stuff, and they love it. It tastes good. You could get like matcha at, like Starbucks and Duncan and stuff. How does it taste, though? It tastes tangy, like, how it tastes? I don't know how to explain it.

You got to like try it, you know, to kind of get a feel for. It's matcha, you know? You serve these cold. We keep them stocked in the studio all the time. If you end up liking it, I'll send you home with some, too. I need something to come home with, man. You know, you know, I'm going to promote. I support this.

One thing about me, I support the supporters. Absolutely. I support the supporters. Yeah, that's real. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I'm a huge supporter of Lockton.

We appreciate them. I support the supporters, man. Yeah. Because you got a good thing going over here, man. I support all the supporters. Hey, I tell everyone. You got a good thing going over here. Thank you, brother.

And I respect it, respectfully. It means a lot, man. And one thing I respect about you, right? You know what makes your podcast different from others? Because you've really been through the trenches too. No matter what, you've still been through the trenches. You've been through it. You've been away from your family.

I don't know if you got kids, but you've been away from your family. You've been away from the streets. You couldn't go in and out to your own refrigerator. You could just open the doors. You had to lay down at a certain time. You feel what I'm coming from? So I respect that about you. A lot of these podcasts, they're doing interviews and stuff like that.

But they never really been through the trenches. They never been through nothing, for real. I've been in my guest shoes. Exactly. I understand it. That's why I respect you. And I went to trial. And you went to trial.

You stood sturdy. You went to trial. Your paperwork is straight. You went to trial, you still sturdy. That's why I respect about you. A lot of these other interviews, they never really been through nothing. You're just listening to a person's story. Honestly, that's what you basically doing.

And they don't even really listen. They interrupt the crap out of some people. And that's real. That's why I respect about you because you've been through it. Thank you, right. You've been through, you've been through, regardless, I might have been through more struggles than you, but me and you was in the same position at one point. Yeah.

at the end of the day You won't get technical Me and you was in the same predicament And same position at the end of the day Probably in the same spot But how much time you did It don't matter Me and you was in the same

position and predicament At the end of the day And I respect that The feds don't discriminate They don't care about the color Absolutely Color don't matter So where did you grow up

I grew up in Brooklyn, New York What was that like growing up Who'd you grow up with? It was rough man growing up I'm not going to long. Like, it was kind of rough, man. I didn't been through like DFI.F.I. I didn't been to the States.

I didn't blue trial before in the States. I blew trial twice, actually, in the state. But, um, that was rough for me growing up, man. You know, um, basically selling drugs and, uh, robbing and, you know, I just basically was getting it how I could get it at the end of the day.

That's what I was doing. You have both parents in the picture? Uh, my father, My father did some jail time, but I mainly had my mother. I mainly had my mother and my grandmother. My grandmother wound up passing away when I was inside prison. They wound up bringing me down to the funeral. My brother also wound up getting killed when I was in prison.

I wound up coming down to the funeral as well. It was just you and your brother or more siblings? Me and my brother and my sister. My little sister. I got a younger sister as well. She was younger back then, but, you know, me and my sister very close to her. You guys struggle for money growing up? No, no, no, no, no.

I just made it hard. That's all it was. I just wanted more than basically what I was getting. That's all it was. I made things hard. My life, I didn't have to make my life this hard the way I made it. I made things hard. Why do you think that was?

Did you envy someone else? Did you look up to someone? I looked up to my brother. My brother was getting money out of town in PA. He was like in different states and stuff like that. So I looked up to my older brother. So I just wanted all the New Sneakers, all the joy. These were an iceberg was out or iceberg or Mosquino or Kuzi.

So like I just did what I had to do basically to get all the things. As far as materialistic was, get all the things that I liked. Did you take school seriously? No, I honestly didn't take school seriously. But I wanted to get my GED when I was in Sing Sing. I got my GED. I graduated, got my GED. So that was cool.

Did you wish you had taken school seriously at the time looking back on it? No. I really didn't like school like that. I really didn't like school like that. I wish I would have, other than school, I wish I would have took certain routes in my life. Other than school, I wish I would have did certain things in my life differently. For us catching a bunch of felonies, like stupid shit.

as a kid, and I didn't realize as a kid, like, your family needs to wind up catching up with you in a long run. I didn't realize that. As a kid, I wasn't thinking about that. I really wasn't thinking about my future as a kid, actually. But now as I'm older, it's like looking back, or sometimes, maybe times I might just look at my rap sheet. Let me see, damn, the fuck, I'd be forgetting about the shit I did.

Damn, I did this dumb shit? What made me do this? To which now, thinking back, I would have never did a lot of things that I've done done in my life. I wouldn't never did that. What were your aspirations as a kid if you had any? I really didn't have any, actually. As a kid, I just was living by the day. As a kid, that's exactly what I was doing.

I really didn't care. I really didn't care. Were you running with anyone as a kid, gang-wise? in the streets? No, we just, as a kid, we just had like, you know, little project gangs, stuff like that. And he was stealing cars and selling drugs, stuff like that I was doing as a kid. You know, it wasn't really no, it was just a project thing as a kid. That's all it was.

I'm from Kingsborough Project, so it was like a project thing dealing with me as a kid. Did all those kids that you were running with, like in that project gang, have the same, mindset of not going to school and, you know, we was going to school, but we wasn't going to class. So what you do at school? We was just, we was in the school building. We was present. We would probably go to the home room.

When you first got to go to school, we was going to home room. And every other class we was skipping or we was going out the side door or something like that. But we wasn't really going to every class how we was supposed to go to every class. So we was, we definitely was in the school building. But if I was going to every class, nah. Was there no accountability? No accountability back then?

No, they called my mother certain times. What I used to do when I was a kid, though, when honestly, this, see, my grandmother was more stricter than my mother. So what I used to do is when I know I'm not going to, like, I'm not going to every class. What I do is before I leave a house in the morning, I might turn the ring off. Because I know they're going to call my grandmother house. So what I do is I turn the ring off. I know I'm going to just go to home checking and go out the side door

and skip school, stuff like that, or not go to every class. Because serving teachers, only, serving teachers was the ones that called home. Being, yo, he didn't show up, stuff like that. And I knew the serving teachers. So what I do is, and I know I'm not going to their class, I just turn the ring off in the morning

before I leave the house. So my grandmother might not realize it until probably like, it's time for me to come from school. Like, damn, why nobody ain't called? the house all day. She might check the ring and realize it's off. As soon as I come in the house, you turned the ring off? I ain't turned that ring off, grandma.

I don't know how that ringer got off. So those are the things I used to do. That's what I used to do. Do you remember the first time you got in serious trouble with the law? I ain't going to lie. I don't really remember. I got into so much problems with the law for I was growing up. I don't remember the first time.

But we used to be stealing college, Joy Ryan. caught a bunch of cases for that robberies I don't call a bunch of cases for that I don't went to DFI I think I did like 18 months in DFI when I was 14 What I had

I had some Some robberies and I had Like some stolen car cases Running from the police Like for I was on a high speed chase Stuff like that getting locked up Then they wanted to put me in Something called BRC

He was like a program that the judge gave me saying, yo, if you complete the program, basically, if you complete the program, you ain't going to go to Sparford, stuff like that. I didn't complete the program. I wound up doing 18 months in DFR. Went to Sparfield. Then I went upstate something called Cataragos. That was like in Buffalo.

I was like 14 years old around that time. Did that experience there at such a young age kind of helped make you a better criminal in a way? No, that actually kind of, it made me kind of worse, actually. That's how I think about it. It made me actually kind of worse. Because one thing about me, right, no matter what predicament that you put me in, and I was like that as a kid, no matter what predicament or position that you put me in, like, I'm always going to adapt.

I don't care what you put me in. What type of position that you put me in, I'm always going to adapt to it, no matter what I'm adapt to it. I try not to like, certain things like that don't stress me out. I don't know if that, like I said, it might, that's not normal to me. It's not normal to me, but it's like I adapt. I adapt. That's like even when I go, that's like even if I travel right now.

Let's just say for instance, I say, yo, listen, I don't care what state I'm going to. I didn't did that plenty of times. I don't like the, I want to see the bad parts of whatever state that are going. I want to go to the trenches No matter what Even when I was in Cleveland I'm going to the trenches In Philly I love Philly

I love Philly That's like my second home Even when I go to Philly I gotta go to the trenches I feel more comfortable Like in the bad parts Of any city that I'm in Than like the good parts

I feel more comfortable And then you know how I'd be thinking as well right because I listen to a lot of people's music, right? And they might be talking like street shit. But I don't met a lot of people like that. Like when I listen to their music, they talk street shit. And then when I meet them, it's like,

this nigga ain't even really like that. Do you feel me? So I don't want a person to feel when they listen to my music and then they meet me for the first time. It's like, he ain't like that. So that's why I do the things that I do, because I'm really a street person, you feel me? It's these guys, a lot of guys out here like that.

Their music might say one thing, but when you meet him in person, it's like, he's soft. Well, he's a cold sucker. So now I look at you differently now, because I'm listening to your music, but when I meet you in person, it's like, you're a sucker. You're a sucker. You're a cold sucker.

So I don't want a person to listen to my music, and then they meet me in person. They say the same thing because I know how I am. So that's why I make it my business, right? If a person hear my music and that don't know me, just hear my music, and then they meet me in person, they're going to say, oh, shit, bro really like that. That's why I don't care. I could meet the motherfucker on Instagram today.

I want to do some music. What state you from? I'm pulling up. I'm coming by myself and I do that shit on purpose. just to, because I want, I just want them to know, like, this nigga really like that. You feel what I?

This nigga pulled up in my city by itself, pulled up by itself in the trenches. Wherever we at, the trap spot, it don't matter where we at. Wherever you tell me to come, I'm coming. And that's what it is. But that's just the type of person that I am. I don't fear nothing at all.

Whatever's going to happen is going to happen. But if a person tell me to pull up, If I just met you on Instagram and you tell me to pull up to your city, I've never been out there. You pull up. Where you at? Send me your address.

I'm coming. Best believe I'm coming. And I'm coming by myself too. Just so you could know, because you might have heard my music so you could know like, oh shit. This motherfucker really like that because I don't want them to think.

I don't want them to get nothing twisted because like I told you, at the end of the day, right? I didn't met a lot of people that I don't heard their music. And I'd be like, damn, this motherfucker, a gangster. Oh, damn, he liked that.

And then when I meet him, it's like, this nigga's a cold fucking sucker. This nigga a cold sucker, man. You're talking all this shit in your music. But you was a fucking sucker, man. Quiet, you a sucker. So that's why my energy be the way it be. No matter where I go, my energy

is going to be the way it be. And that's just me at the end of the day. How do your parents feel about your incarceration at such a young age? My mom's one thing about my mother, man She don't really say too much She don't really say too much At the end of the day

She just be one to make Her whole thing as long as I'm right, she cool As long as I'm right, she cool And she know me So she know like No matter what position or predicament I get put in She know I'm going to be a right

My father, he live in Jersey So my father He did prison time before too, like when I was younger. So he really don't say too much. I don't really speak to him that often, but when we do speak, he don't really like

tap on like far as me being in prison. He don't really say too much. He don't really say too much. My mom's really don't really say too much neither, but I know her. And I know it's like, she know like, no matter what position that I'm put in, that

I'm going to be put in, no matter what position that I'm put in, she know that I'm going to be able to handle it. So she don't really say too much to me neither. Do you think they were too laid back for you at a young age? Yeah. Yeah. See, I wasn't living with my father, so I don't know what he'd think, but my mom's was laid back.

My grandmoms wasn't. My grandmother wasn't really laid back. My aunt was more stricter. My aunt really was on it when I was younger. Before she passed away, too, my aunt really was on it. She was, like, on me, like, for school, my grades, make sure my grades is up, stuff like that. I mean, my mother really wasn't on that type of time with me.

My aunt really played that part to where she made sure, like, you and your brother going to school, you and your brother, grades better be this, or your grades better be that, or you ain't getting no Nintendo, or you ain't get no turbographist 16, you ain't get no calico vision, stuff like that. You feel me?

She mainly was the one that was buying us like all the games, Nintendo games, Super Nintendo games, Atari games. My aunt mainly was the one that your grades got to be good in order for me to reward you with games, stuff like that far as me and my brother. So my mother really wasn't, she wasn't really on it like that. She just was going with the flow. Did going to prison that early on those first few times,

help expose you to different types of gangs like farther than the projects than what you were used to? Yeah, it opened my eyes up to a lot of stuff. I met a lot of good people. I met a lot of great people far as me going to prison. I met a whole lot of great people. Even when I was in the fairs, like,

I met a lot of good people in the feds. I met a lot of great people in the feds. And one thing about me, like, when I meet you and I take a liking to you, like, I always got to reach out to you. Like, I still pick up my phone to this day for people that caught me in the feds.

Literally. So I'm not a person that, if I meet you in the feds, then when I get home, like, me and you're going to lose ties or me and you're going to lose contact. Nah, I'm not that type of person. When I get home, I'm going to do whatever I could do for you.

You call me, I'm going to pick up. You need magazines. You need, uh, what's that called? the newspapers, just subscription for newspapers, daily weekly stuff like that, I do that type of stuff. That stuff helps.

Yeah. You know, it goes a long way paying for a subscription. Exactly. My dad got me like US weekly people. Like go virus, you need go virus. I'm going to get you the subscription for it.

And those are the things that I do. I do that. I'm not a type of person that just leave and just forget about where I came from or forget about the people that I was around every day in there. every day.

I'm more closer to the people in there than my own friends that I grew up with to this day. To this day, I'm more closer to people that's in the feds

right now than my people that I know I grew up with on a daily basis that hung out with every day in the street. I'm more closer to people that I was in the feds with.

How old are you when you caught your Fed case? I'm 40, how old I am? No, when you caught the Fed case. Hmm. I was about like 35. I was like 35 when I caught the fat case. 34.

I think I was like 34 when I caught the fat case. How did you spend your 20s before that? I was in Sing Sing. I did 10 and a half years in Sing Sing. I think I went to Sing Sing, probably when I was like 23, 24. So I came home probably when I was like 33 or something like that. So I spent a majority, I spend the majority of my, 20s. I was home for my early 20s, but I spent like the majority of my 20s, I spent it in

Sing Sing, the majority of my 20s. How did you catch that case? I had a robbery. I had a court robbery in the city. I went to jail for a robbery in the city. A guy from my project actually told me, a guy from my project actually told him, I wound up blowing trial for that. I wound up getting 12 years. I did like 10 years and like two months and like a few days off of that. Tell us about the robbery. We went to the city one night. I ain't going to make it long, but we went to the city one night and some guys got robbed and we got locked up. Me and two other people wound up getting locked up. We wound up getting to a high speed chase. We wound up getting locked up with the jury and everything. One of my co-defendants actually,

told on me. He tried to, he basically tried to take yourself out of the equation and like, basically saying it was my idea, because I'm the one that got a license, because they didn't know who was driving the car. They just seemed to car crash. And

I wound up blowing trial. Me and my other, one of my other corner finish went to trial together. We both blew trial together. The other guy, he wound up taking... USAA knows dynamic duos can save the day. Like SuperHare. Heroes and sidekicks or auto and home insurance. With USAA, you can bundle your auto and home and save up to 10%.

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And actually, the victims couldn't point me out. The victims couldn't point me out at all. whatsoever. I got convicted, really awful. I got held off of his statement, off of my co-defendant's statement, and he tried to retract the statement being that he couldn't read.

He tried to say he couldn't read. He tried to say the police, the police wrote the state. This way he did, he basically told the police the story, but the police wrote it because he said he couldn't read the right. So now, this at the time,

he had a legal aid lawyer. I got to pay, I had Darren Fields. I had a paid lawyer. So around the time, my brother was alive around his time. So I tell us my brother, I'm like,

yo, this nigga fucking told on me. So he's like, well, so he thought, yo, I'm about to go holler at his older brother.

I'm about to go holl out his brother now. So I'm like, I, so they didn't believe my brother. And when he told him, like, yo,

your brother told him my little brother. So I wound up having to send a paperwork home. So his brother wound up getting him a lawyer. He wound up getting a crinsky.

he got the lawyer. So now how Krenzky tried to attack the his statement, because now he's trying to retract his statement. But how Krenski tried to attack the statement, his Krenzky started basically saying that my client couldn't read or write. So you could have wrote anything on the paper. I understand you're telling him

to tell you the story on what happened. So you wrote it out for him, and then you just had him sign it. So his lawyer was trying to basically say, They like, whatever he told you, how do he know that what he told you is the exact thing that's on his paper if he can't read or write? So that's how his lawyer tried to attack it. And I wound up blowing trial on that. Me and my co-defendant, me and my co-defendant, cheeks wound up blowing trial on that same case.

Cheekster's, cheek still tall. But we wind up blowing trial on the same case. We wound up getting the same time and everything. We got 12 years. And we wind up coming home probably like a month apart. So you lost your whole 20s because of that? I lost my whole 20s because of that, man. And you spent time in Sing Sing.

I did time in Sing Sing. That was part of that. That's a pretty notorious state prison in New York, right? Yeah, but it was cool. No, I was cool being that it was so close to home. It was so close to home, so it was cool. You know, you take the path train there for visits, stuff like that. So it was so close to home.

And plus, I was going on trailers with my mother. I was going on trailers with my son. This amount of time, my son was younger around this time. He's 18 now. He'd be 19 in August, but he's 18 now. So I was going to trailers with my son. So that was cool. I was going on trailers like once every 90 days with him and my mom spending the weekend.

I go on a Friday, come back on a Sunday. So that was cool. My son probably was like three years old around that time. Now tell the audience what that is because that was a pretty new system, the trailer thing, right? Yeah, it's trailers. It's just basically like a family program. You go, like you fill out for it long as you stay. Stay out of trouble.

They give you time to go out with your family. They had like, it was like six trailers. They had, like, grills out there. They had, like, board games. They got, like, the basketball court. What else they got? They got, like, movies. You could get movies, watch movies with your family.

But we're all out there together, basically, for the whole time. I mean, you got to do, like, when they call the phone, they call the phone. They got, like, a little phone inside the trailer. They call the phone, tell you to come out, just stand there for count. Sometimes they'll tell you, they ask you your den numbers, stuff like that, like a van that come around. Because it was on the compound, but like off to the side.

So the van to come around, ask you your name, numbers sometime, or sometimes they don't. Sometimes they just want to see you just raise your hand or whatever. They just pull off, make sure, eh, because it was like six trellas. So they'd make sure everybody outside, raise your hand, and then they'd pull off. And I used to go, I, from Friday. the Sunday. I was doing that from Friday to Sunday. Did that program, do you think, kept you

out of trouble during your present sentence? No, that program actually, that program actually helped me raise my son. That's what that program did, actually. Because my son was like three years old. So that program actually raised my son. He actually used to thought that's where I live at. Seeing the trailer, you know, I got the bedrooms. It's like a crib. It's like a house, like a home.

So he actually thought that was my house. dad I can't wait to come back to your house this is after we like when they leaving the trailer that morning when they leaving him my mom so it's like Dad I can't wait to come back to your house so he actually thought that was my home dad next time I come back we're going to watch this movie

they got PlayStation there and dad when I come back we're going to play basketball or dad when I come back we're going to play such and such you understand so at the trailer like on my trailers I always try to go out with people that I mess with like that because you know they got their kids so my son to play with their kids, stuff like that. Like I always try to go out with like a particular group.

I don't like going out with people that I really don't be dealing with like that. I always make sure I go on the trailer like I set my date up with a person. That's like if I'm dealing with you and Sing Sing, sing. Me and you set our date up, dates up around the same time. You feel me? Because I deal with you like that. My family deal with your family like that. My son deal with your son like, though.

My son play with your daughter. Your daughter might be around that age. So it's like we got something in common. We might go out in the summertime. Yo, we're going to have a big barbecue. We're going to play spades. Me and my family with junior family. We're playing spades.

Our kids running around. They're playing basketball. So I always try to always do that, like getting that type of cycle. So as I'm going out on the trailer with like other people that I deal with like that. I'm going out of the trailer with their family as well. So we all out here together. We're watching movies. We're having a big barbecue.

We got the Bluetooth speaker. The doors of the trailer open. Playing loud music, stuff like that. We playing basketball with the kids. Playing frisbee. Playing baseball. They got the baseball. You playing baseball with the kids.

So I always try to make it like that. Like try to always catch that cycle. So as I'm going out with at least one or two people that I deal with on a daily basis. In the prison, though. We be together in the prison. So I'm dealing with you outside as well. And that's how I did my time. Do you regret that that's the way your child grew up in that environment?

I regret going to prison for that long period. I regret going to prison for that long period, I mean. And me and my kids got great relationships, though. I got two kids. One is 18. And my youngest is about to be seven years old next month on the 18th. So I regret going to prison period. I regret leaving my oldest son period.

I regret that all around the board. But I'm glad that he graduated high school. I never graduated high school. I'm glad that he did that. And my oldest son is a good kid. So I'm glad that he didn't take after me at all. You feel me? Share with us some of the moments you experienced in prison those 10 years

that you'll never forget about. I like a lot of cuttings, a lot of stabbins. You know, it's crazy, right? A good friend of mine's, man. A great friend of mine's, right? When I was in Sing Sing, he was on the same company as me. So there's a great friend. His name is Greenhouse.

He from Queens. And when I came home for my state time, he was in Eastern. So I was going to visit him in Eastern. This was my friend, like my real friend. He used to cook for me every day. And when I was going to visit him, I wound up getting locked up by the feds. So now when I came home, was home but I didn't have no way to get in contact with him right at all I'm looking for him

everything I lost contact with him but this is a guy that I was with every day on a daily basis when I was in Sing Sing right so one day this probably like about three weeks ago I wake up early in the morning I see a text message this when he got he got he got he wound up getting killed by the police and queens doing a robbery stuff like that you know he's robbing like smoke shops, he wound up shooting the police and the police wound up killing him. I don't know if you heard about it.

So that shit kind of fucked me up, man. Because I was really looking for him. I just didn't have no way to get into contact with him. So when I seen the picture, a friend of mine sent me the picture. Oh, yo, look at your man. So when I look, it's a picture,

like a mugshot picture. I'm like, oh shit. And I was pissed off. That shit fucked me up, man. Because I actually wanted to see him. You feel me? I was going to visit him when I came home for my state. My state bid, I was going to visit him.

But that shit fucked me up, man. That shit fucked me up. That was a guy that I was with every day, every single day. Every single day I was with him. But I seen a lot of things going on in there, man, that I won't never forget, a lot of cuttings. It's more cuttons in the state, mainly, than Stabmans. There's more curtains in the state.

But I met a lot of good people in there as well, though. I met a lot of great people in there. Why do you think that 10-year bid didn't deter you from getting into more trouble when you got out? See, you know what it was with me when I got out, right? How I felt when I got out, I wasn't, I wasn't like me personally. I wasn't committing crime personally. I just was around people that was doing negative shit. And I felt, damn, I ain't doing nothing, so I'm good.

I didn't know about RICO's or I didn't know about conspiracies around that time. So it's like, I ain't doing nothing. I'm good. It wasn't like I was running around when I came home. I was running around just doing shit and doing dumb shit, doing crime. No. I just hung around the wrong people. That's all it was.

So I just basically got guilty by association. I didn't understand what a conspiracy mean. I didn't understand what a RICO mean I didn't understand with racketeering man I didn't understand those things when I came home from my prison, from my state a bit I didn't understand those things I'm just thinking like I don't care what you do

I'm around you but I don't care what you do I'm not doing nothing I'm not doing I'm hanging out with you you doing whatever you're doing your own personal time but I'm hanging out with you on our time on leisure time so I don't I didn't care like what you was doing at the end of the day

day. So I didn't think that I would get pulled in another person's situation. And that's what happened. I wound up getting pulled in another person's situation. But I didn't think of it like that. Now, now, I know. I know now. I know to watch. That's why I pick and choose who I hang around now because I don't know what you got going on. I don't know what you did yesterday. I don't know what you did last week. I don't know. And I'm not trying to get caught up in nothing that you got going on. I didn't know that can happen. It happened. It happened. to me. So now I know that can happen. Who are the people you were hanging out with when you got out? I was hanging out with, um, 6-9. I was hanging out with 6-9. 6-9 was a very close friend of mine at the time.

Like, I used to have him, um, me and him, I spent the night in my car a bunch of times. Um, I used to have him pick me and him go pick my son up from school. My oldest son that's 18 now. We used to go pick him up from school. All the time, we used to go pick him up from school. All the time, we used to go pick him up from school going crazy, all the kids going crazy behind him. So that's who I was hanging around at the time when I got out. That's who I was hanging around. How do you guys meet? I actually met him through another good friend of mine, which was my co-defendant on my federal case name, Roe Murder.

I met him through him. He the one who introduced me to him. We wound up going to juniors. We met him at juniors, actually, because he's been telling me about him. So when he introduced me to him, the kid just started wanting to hang around me all the time. But I met him through a good friend of mine named Roe Murder. Now, at the time you met him, was he already successful in the music industry?

Yeah, yeah, he was already successful. When I met him, he was already successful. I didn't know him before that. When I met him, he was already doing shows, ready doing walkthroughs, doing performances, just around the time that I met him. Do you ever wonder why he would still associate with kind of that bad lifestyle even though he was already successful?

To me, I think that's what got him successful. Just the image. All this is smoking mirrors. So people are going to use that to their advantage. All this is smoking mirrors. So he used that to his advantage, to get to where he got. To get to where he got as far as in the music industry,

he used that to his advantage. He used that to his advantage. That's all he did. He used that to his advantage. like the bad boy image he used all that to his advantage you've got 25 30 people around you

use that to your advantage Was he actually like that in real life? No Of course not No he wasn't He wasn't at all But But a lot of people feel to realize right

Even though that you're not like that And like in real life or whatever If you start If you start hanging around people That's really like that right eventually you're going to start acting like the people that you're hanging around. And that's what it was. Eventually, you're going to start acting like you really like that.

Eventually, you're going to start acting like you're really a street person. Especially if this is all you surround about. You surround about a bunch of street people. That's really street people. You're going to start acting like that eventually. You're running around with them. You're going to start taking little bits and pieces from certain individuals. You're going to mimic them.

You're going to look how they dress. You're going to see how they act. So you're going to take little bits and pieces from certain people that's around you on a daily basis. So now this is going to be your image. Ryan Reynolds here for MintMobil. I don't know if you knew this, but anyone can get the same premium wireless for $15 a month plan that I've been enjoying. It's not just for celebrities. So do like I did and have one of your assistants assistants to switch you to MintMobile today.

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Yeah, yeah, he was. What's the name of it? Nine Trey. Yeah, yeah, he was. Were you ever a part of it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm still in. Yeah, but he was, though. He was, though.

He definitely was. Now, some of the articles related to your Fed case, they referred to you as, what, a stand-alone or a stand-in? Yeah, because what does that mean? What happened? Oh, what happened was because you got to remember, right? When they locked me up, all of them got locked up before me, right? So when they locked me up, before they locked me up, I stopped hanging with them before they locked me up.

You know what I'm saying? So a lot of acts that they was charging people with, I wasn't around for it. I wasn't around for it at all. This around the time, I was hanging around Jadikis now. So I stopped hanging with, boy, I stopped hanging with him. This around him, when he got locked up, I didn't speak to him probably like seven months. I didn't talk to him at all. I wasn't on Instagram with him.

I wasn't on nothing with him. So, you know, he ran around doing what he's doing, continue doing what he doing. I'm running around with Jada kiss. I'm running around with other people. So I'm in my own zone now. So now when they locked They locked They wound up locking him up

And locked a few others up It's like, oh, I'm cool I'm cool I didn't think I was going to get pulled up in there I'm like, I'm cool Being that I wasn't around him for months I wasn't around him for seven months So a lot of stuff that he was doing

That was going on around the time I wasn't around for none of that So I didn't think they I was going to get pulled up in that I honestly didn't think that it was a shocking to me that I got pulled up in that actually because I wasn't around. But if you were a member, wouldn't you think that they...

They charged me with conspiracy. That's where the conspiracy coming at. It don't matter. If you wasn't around at that point in time, you was around, the whole thing is you might not have been around for all these eight incidents, but you was around eight, nine months ago for this one incident. Or you was around eight nine months ago for this, for two incidents.

It don't matter. You feel what I'm coming from? Guilty by association. That's conspiracy. Yeah. That's where the conspiracy come at. I didn't understand that at that time. I ain't understand that.

There's no way I understood that how. I never been through that. I never experienced like federal. I never experienced that. The state-wise, I know everything about the state, but I never experienced federal. On the federal aspect of things, I never experienced that. So how are you able to be a part of the gang

and not know what was going on with 6-9 during that time? Because, right? You know everybody got their own situation, going on, right? I got my own situation. You might got your own situation, but I'm in contact with the people that I supposed to be in contact with. You feel me? Like, he was not a factor. He wasn't a factor to where I got to be in contact with him. You're not a factor. I'm in contact with the people that I'm supposed to be in contact with. So you're not a factor. So I'm not going to know what you got going on. How? I ain't going to know what you got going on. How can I

know that. Whatever you got going on, that's on you. You, you, you, you is not a main factor amongst this right here. So, of course, I'm not going to know what you got going on. Whatever you got going on, that's on you. I'm doing what I'm doing over here. You're doing what I'm doing. I'm doing what I'm doing over here. You're doing what you're doing over there. So that's why I didn't know. When he, he and the rest of some of the other gang members got arrested, how did you, what were your initial thoughts? When they got arrested, I still was moving. around. You know, I'm in Ohio. I'm in Virginia. I'm in Atlanta. Like, I'm in Houston. I'm in Alabama. I'm just still moving around. So when they got arrested, I'm like, damn. And I remember when

they first, when they had got arrested, um, Jada kiss had hit me. He's like, yo, man, because right before they got arrested, he had told me that, yo, listen, man, stay away from that kid, man. He said, because he said, yo, you know, I love you. You got a family out here. I don't want to see you in prison for the dumb shit that he's running around doing this shit. So I'm like, you're right. So, you know, and Jadikis is not only a friend of mine. Like, I look at him as, that's my brother. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, my big brother, really. Because at the end of the day, like, when a person sit down and talk to you, like, about something that's real, you got to respect it because everybody's not doing that. So if a person really sit you down and tell you, like, yo, listen, you're speaking, you're speaking, you're doing this. like pulling your code on certain things you gotta really respect that like oh shit like damn

this motherfucker really got some type of love for me or he really got love for me by really sit me down and telling me like yo pump your brakes or yo don't do this or yo stay away from them and that's what was going on with me and him right so when they first got locked up he called me he like yo listen

he said yo you see what I told you this is the reason why I told you to stay away from him he said I'm glad that you listened I'm glad that you stood away Because mind you, I didn't have no warming out or nothing like that. So he's like, listen, I'm glad that you stood away. I'm glad that you stopped dealing with him. Because if you didn't, you would have been wrapped up in that.

So I'm like, yeah, you're right. Yo, you know, I appreciate you or whatever. And then they wound up backtracking. He wanted to backtracking coming to get me. I got locked up. I didn't know what they was locking me up for, actually. I ain't know what they was locking me up for. Tell us that day you got arrested by the feds.

The day I got arrested, right? I was on my way to Atlanta, actually. I was in Virginia. Me and my man Glock. Me and my man Glock, man, man, free Glock, too. I was in Virginia. Me and Glock was in Virginia.

We was on our way to Atlanta. So, what happened? Oh, I was in a... This is what happened. I was in a hotel, so my phone was there. When I got upstairs to the hotel room, I realized that I left my charge in the car, but I ain't gonna lie.

I was so drunk. I was so tired. So I'm like, damn, fuck it. I'm in Virginia. So I'm like, I'm gonna just go back down the mall and get my charger to charge my phone up. So I'm thinking my phone going to last.

So when I woke up in the morning, when I woke up in the morning, I didn't know I had a bunch of miscodes. My phone did. So I run downstairs. When I plug my phone into the car, I just plugged it in. Let me just plug it in.

So when I plug it in there, I got a bunch of miscoles. Mad, miss calls. calls. So I'm like the fuck. So a lot of Miss calls

is for my girl. So I calls her back. So when I call my girl back, she's like, yo, um,

yo, your PO called me. Something like my PO calls you. For what? Mind you, I just had, went to see my PO because this around time,

I think I was reporting like once every 90 days. So I just had went and seen my PO like a week prior. So, you know, they give you like a,

they gave you like, I don't know if they do that now. I know they was giving me, like, a little slip. on when to come back, the report to see them. So I'm like, yo, I just went to see my PO. She like, yo, I'm telling you, she called my, my God.

I never gave my PO my number, though. I'm acting like I ain't got a phone, all kind of shit. So she ain't got my number. She got my girl number on file. So my girl, like, yo, just call her this. And this around the time my son was sick. My son probably was like, he wasn't even a year old, my baby son. So he was already sick.

He really was sick, though. He had a call. So she like, yo, I told, she said, yo, I told the PO that you took Sheeshade to the emergency room for his cold.

So I'm like, all right, so at first I'm like, man, I ain't calling her back, man. Fuck out of it. I just went to see her last week,

man. I'm going by with the paper saying. I ain't calling. So she like, man, no, just call her back because I don't want

nothing to happen. Just call her back this and the third. So I'm like, all right, cool. So I was with my cousin named man. He from out of Virginia.

I was with him. So I'm like, yo, me and him together. So he's like, yo, cousin, yo, just call her back. So I'm like, all, let me get your phone. I calls her from his phone.

I ain't want her to have my number. So I calls her from his phone. So she's like, yo, it's probably like 11 o'clock. Like, and like, it's like 11 o'clock in the morning. So she's like, yo, I need you to come down here by like three o'clock. Make it down. I said, make it down. Marjor, I'm seven hours away, but I can't tell her I'm in Virginia.

So I'm like, make it down there. I said, yo, I just seen you last week. She's like, no, they got something new going on. She tried to spend me. So I'm like, man, that shit don't sound right. I'm saying in my mind. So I'm like, yo, listen, man, I can't even come there.

I ain't going to make it today. I said, because I'm still in an emergency room with my son. I mean, I forgot what hospital I told her, but I'm like, I'm still in an emergency room with my son. I said, right now I'm just waiting on the doctors to write a script out for me to where I could go pick his medicine up at a right aid. So she said, all right, Mr. Butler.

She said, well, I need a doctor's note. I said, yo, I ain't got a problem with give you no doctor note. I'm telling her. Inside the hospital. I'm lying like a motherfucker. I'm wearing Virginia. So she said, all right. So I said, yo, listen, after I'm finished this, because she's like, yo, once you finish

there, you can't come down here. So I said, yo, I got to find a babysitter. I got my son with me. Would you want me to bring my son? And you know, you know, in parole, they don't want you to bring kids and I knew that. So I said, you want me to bring my son? I come. You want me to bring him?

He's sick. He's coughing. So she said, no, you don't got to bring him. Don't worry about it, Mr. Butler. Yo, just listen. Just come see me in the morning. I said, I'm going to come see you in the morning. So I wound up coming back to New York.

Probably like, I got back like five, six in the morning, got back. As soon as I get in the house, I parked my car like a block away. I walks up to my house. So as soon as I get in the house, probably like my girl wakes up because I came in the house. My son really was sick, though, but he was sleep. So when I get in the crib, probably like a half an hour later, I just hit knocking at the door, boom, boom, boom, boom. But it don't sound like, it sound like a hard knock.

I could tell the difference between a regular knock to where it's a real hard knock. I'm like, what the fuck? So I go to the window. I go to the window. I look mad police outside in front of my crib. I'm like, what the fuck? I start high shit.

I don't know what's going on. I start running around the crib going crazy. My girl started putting her pants on. She's like, yo, what the fuck? Now you hear them. You hear them at the door. They bang it hard. Boom, boom, boom, boom.

I'm running around the crib, high shit, tucking shit. I'm going crazy. What the fuck? I don't know what's going. Look out the back out of the window. Next to know I hear the, I could tell they got the battle. They got the ram. The whole door come off the hinges.

Boom. They come in the crib. Bro-do-ro-no. My girl in the front, she's in the living room. They come in. So now they got the, all you see is like the beams. So my son, my baby son wakes up, though. But he's crying because he's sick.

So they're like, yo, get on the floor. I don't get on the floor. I'm like, you know, I ain't get on the floor. So I said, I ain't get my bed. My bed was sitting high. Something like, man, because, you know, My son not even one years old at the time. So, you know, he's crawling to me.

So I'm like, yeah, I'm not getting on the floor. I'm not getting on the floor. I'm not doing that. So you can fall off the bed and some dumb shit. I'm not getting on the floor. So my girl, flippant. She's like, yo, just let me go get my son. So now the police like, all right, they let her in to get him.

They let her and get my son. That's when they cuff me or whatever. So you know, they're asking me my name. I gave him some wrong shit. They knew I was lying, though. I gave him some wrong shit. You asked me my name. I'm going to tell you some dumb shit, no, man?

So I don't know what's going on As yet I've been moving around So I don't know What the fuck going on So I'm asking them Like yo Oh that's what it was

I hit my phone So they're like yo I ain't got no phone I ain't got no phone I ain't got nothing So they're like yo You need your phone We're gonna let you call your girl

I don't want to I don't worry about it I ain't call her I ain't got no phone I don't got no phone I don't know with my phone I ain't got no phone I lost my phone

I ain't got no phone So now they're like I'm asking I'm like what's going on So then they like, yo, we're going to tell you when we get down to the station, boom, boom. So when we get down to the station, then that's when they tell me what was going on. I'm like, what? So they take me in front of the judge.

I see the lawyer. The lawyer showed me all these motherfucking charges. I'm like, what the fuck? And that was it. I've been booked there since. What were the charges? Rico, racketeering, and conspiracy. Now, did you know it was a Fed case when they were arresting you?

I knew the, yeah, because you know it's an ATF shit like that. I knew it wasn't regular police. So, but I'm thinking, I'm like, damn, man, you know I'm doing other shit too. I ain't going on, I'm other than, I mean? So I'm like, damn, what the fuck? The fuck they came and got me for. And then at the time, I had a whole never, like some fraud shit. I had this shit in, uh, where I had this shit?

Oh, I caught this shit in, um, in PA. I forgot I was state a PA, though. It was like by Ohio and shit. So I'm thinking it's that. I'm like, damn, what the fuck? Because I'm already out on bail for that shit for like a year. I mean, like some counterfeit money shit. I've been out on bail for that shit like a year in PA.

So I'm like, damn, maybe it's that. I mean, because I, what it was before I had caught the federal case, I had copped out to the shit in PA for nine or 18 months for that shit, I mean? So I'm supposed to have been turned myself in for that shit. But what I did was I was acting like I got heart problems. And I mean, going to the doctor, the doctor giving me doctor notes. I'm giving it to the lawyer out there.

The lawyer giving it to the judge. So they kept giving me extensions. They're like, all right, yo, we're going to give them that. I'm telling him, yo, on a letter, I'm telling him, yo, just put on a letter that I got to do blood work. I got to get some x-rays, all kind of shit. So I knew the prison ain't want to. I knew the jail out there ain't want to deal with it. I mean, I knew they ain't want to deal with, like, motherfucker saying they got medical issues.

they want you to take care of that. They're rather you take care that while you home. So I just kept giving mad doctor notes. So the last doctor note I gave, that's when the lawyers, like, you listen, man, the judge said he only give you 90 days. That's it. He's ready to get you extensions.

Listen, whatever you don't got done, you got to get done in there. So I'm like, all, cool. So that's what I thought it was, though. I'm thinking it's that type of shit because I'm like, damn, man, what the fuck the niggas came and got me? You know, I was already out on bail for that shit,

I mean? I think they gave me like a $30, $40,000 Bell or some shit like that for out there. I forgot what part of Pia, though. But I was on bail for like a year for that shit. Probably like 11 months, something like that, going on a year, whatever. So I'm like, damn, man, these motherfuckers came and got me for this shit.

But once we got down to the station and then that's when they told me like, yo, this is what it is, this done the time. I'm like, damn, man, I ain't been around this thing in seven months. What the fuck? These niggas done, they was already locked up around the time for like going on

three months when they locked me up. There was already lying. And you know, I'm going to parole. I'm doing this, doing that. You know what I mean? So they was already locked up for like three months before I went to jail. They was already locked up for three months. And you know, I'm talking to, I'm talking to some of them. You know what I mean? Free shoddy. I'm talking to shoddy, free row. I'm home now, no, but free shoddy. I'm talking to shoddy. I'm talking to row. So, you know, they're telling me what's going on with the case, just on some regular

conversation shit. So I'm like, well, all right. So I ain't think, I'm thinking I'm out whole picture. It's been going on three months now. I mean, then you double back and come get me. So I'm like, what the fuck? What happens did they have against you? Um, they had like videos at the shooting

at the Barclay Center. They had me there for that. They just tried me a conspiracy for that. And they had a person had got robbed at This is50.com at the radio station. Inside the lobby, they got me

with a conspiracy for that because I was there. They seen my call on the camera, like on the outside or whatever. So they got me for those two. So those, those basically was like my criminal acts basically, you know what I'm saying?

No. For dealing with a conspiracy. Was 6-9 cooperating by that point or no? That's how they came and tagged me. That's the reason why they came and tagged me because what happened was they had asked him in January. I got locked up 2019 January, like the end. They got locked up in November.

So what happened was in January, he didn't say nothing about me, like the November, December, but in January, they showed him a picture of my car. Like, yo, who caused this? They knew who car I was, though? Yo, who caused this, though? Because my plate,

or my car was registered in my name. So they're like, yo, who caused this? So he told him, oh, that's drama car. Yeah, yeah, he drove up to the radio station with us, boom, boom. So that's what tagged me right there. Then they got the video with a shooting at the barclay when he was leaving out the barclay. Who is this right here?

Oh, that's drama right there next to me. So that tagged me in there. That's what a conspiracy coming out. Do you think he never would have flipped if his family was never threatened? They scared him. It wasn't about his family being threatened. Nobody wasn't going to do that to him.

Nobody wasn't going to do that to him. But they scared him up. He copped out the shit that he ain't. I know for a fact, he ain't even had nothing to do it. You just, all right, let me get it. For real, I know for a fact, you ain't had nothing to do with this shit. But you're just coping out to anything. I don't know what fuck if they told, Ted, that you sold a Brooklyn Bridge.

I need you to cop out to this because you sold a Brooklyn Bridge. He was taking that anyway. I sold a Brooklyn Bridge. Let me cop out. I need some dumb shit he was coping out to. So he was, they scared him. That's all the was. They scared him.

And then you got to realize this. He's, at the end of the day, he's a kid. So it's like, he was having fun. He was having fun. He ain't trying to lose that. You ain't trying to lose that. Especially if they got you in the rooms and they tell him, yo, you're going to face this,

you're going to face that. You really believe in these people. They're going to give you a story to where it's believing. It's believable. They're going to give you a story to where it's believable. And that's what it was. He fell for the ogie dope. He fell for the ogie dope.

He fell for the ogre dope. So he said, all right, cool. I'm going to tell. I'm going to give you all. everything y'all want. And that's what happened. Do you hold it against him for cooperating? How do you feel about it? Of course I do. I hold things against anybody that cooperate,

especially if you play in that role. Especially if you're playing that role. You're playing that tough role. You want to be around the guys. You want to run around. You want to do this. You want to do that with people. Of course, I'm a whole lot against you. Because at the end of the day, you know what this come with. You know what this come with at the end of the day. So you got to be prepared. You got to be prepared. I was mad.

I was upset at first when I got arrested. I was upset. But at the end of the day, when I sat and looked and realized, I'm like, damn, man. Sometimes you got to know when to fold them. Sometimes you got to know when to say, you know what?

Fuck it, man. And that's a, and I be, this how my mind works, fuck it. You know what? I'm going to take this time because I'm looking at ass

I'm getting time for all the other shit that I don't got away with. It might not be the time for this, but this the time for all other shit that I don't got away with. I don't got away with a lot of shit. This is the time that they're giving me

for all the other shit that I don't got away with. Well, and that works both ways because he just got jammed up on other stuff so it kind of flips back on him. It's kind of karma in a way, right? So I'm trying to tell you, man. God see everything, man.

That's how I look at it. God sees everything. But of course I'm mad at anybody that flip. Anybody that flip, especially if you know what it is, for real. Did you ever run into him at MDC Brooklyn or did they have him swear on that? No, no, no, no, I ain't never run at him at MDC Brooklyn. They had, he wasn't even, when they locked me up, he wasn't even in MDCs. He was in like the shit with a rascal, like that Gio, some shit called Gio.

He was like, they're like wearing their own clothes, their sneakers, drawings and all that shit. he was like, like, done him with that. I mean, so he never was in MDC, Brooklyn with me, or he wasn't in, he wasn't in MDC or MCC with me. Mm-mm. I never, I never, I never ran into him after that. Did you ever run into him in the courtroom or it never got that far for you because you took a plea deal?

I think I seen him one time. When they first locked me up, I think I seen to him, if I'm not mistaken. That shit was so long. Yeah, when they first locked me up, I think I seen to him. When they first locked me up, but, you know, they'd be having him so close. though. They be having them secluded or whatever, but, you know, I ran it to everybody else that was on a case or whatever.

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Terms and conditions apply. I really didn't deal with them like that. I didn't have a report with them like that. Was that all in direct correlation to 6-9-10? testifying. Yeah. Everything. All that was around based on around that, know what I mean? Do you think the feds knew he was the weak link that they could go after? Of course. They know he's the rapper. They know he's an artist. So they know you ain't trying to lose all this. You out here partying every night with a bunch of girls and you got the money.

You ain't trying to lose this. You got deals on the table. You lit. They know. You ain't trying to lose all this. You ain't trying to lose this, so we got to come at him. We got to come at him with this. We know he's going to tell. They ain't stupid. We know we're going to tell. We don't seen this a thousand times. I know he's going to tell us something for real. And it'd be shit that they already know. They just need confirmation. That's their whole thing. We need confirmation. We already know boom, boom, boom. We know who's it. We know who drama is. We know who this person is. We know who this person is. But we need confirmation. So they're going to ask, they be asking you shit that they already know already. They just need confirmation though. Who is this? They know who this is. They don't did their

homework already. Why do you think they're asking you? They already got shit laid out on the table mapped out for, yo, who this person is right here? Yo, this car right here, who this car belonged to? They know that's my car. They know that. They don't ran a plate and everything. So they already know what's going on. If they didn't, they want to lock me out. Yo, who calls this? Who does belong to right here. They just want you to say it. Oh, that's such a such car. Oh, no, that's that person. You're telling them shit that they already know. They just need confirmation. Now they got a person, all right? Now we got a witness. You're going to testify to say, yeah, cool, yeah, I'm willing to testify. That's how that shit go. How do you feel that the media kind of roped you

into that whole thing, even though you weren't directly a part of it? How do I feel? I feel kind of crazy because at the end of the day, it's my fault though at the end of the day. It's my fault. I know why I say it's my fault? Because I should have been smarter than that. Should have been smarter than that, man. Motherfuckers doing shit,

recording shit, posting shit on Instagram, posting shit on this network, on this type of Facebook, this that and third niggas doing shit. We're like, what you think going to happen, basically? What you think going to happen? Something bound to go wrong.

It's bound to go or bad. It's bound to go or bad. These people watch these platforms. These people watch networks. They got a specific fucking group of police or a specific group of agency. The specifically target Facebook, specifically target Instagram. And they watch these things and pieces together. They're young just like us.

They got Instagram They got They aired To the street For real I think Like they're just like us Like we ain't even in

Certain states Like Chicago or something But we are We'll tell a whole story Yeah this person Got beef with this person How the fuck we know that Yeah this person

The reason why Them two beefing Because of this person Did this And he did that For real We just paying attention And watch her

And we come up With a story That's how they do We know what the fuck going on in Miami. We never been out there in Miami. Oh yeah, the reason why

such and such got killed because he did this and he did that, that's the same shit the police do. The same shit they do. For real. How much time did you end up getting for that case? I got 60 months.

And that was just a plea deal their first offer? I caught out the 77 to 96 months, but they gave me 60 months. It gave me 60 months. What helped me out was the letters. I had a bunch of support. Letters. That's what helped me out.

And when I was in Manhattan, you know, I was taking up classes, shit like that, sending it to my lawyer. And what also helped me was like a mitigate, I wound up asking for like a mitigating specialist. So what the mitigated specialist do is like they like, they holl at your family,

see how you was raised, see how you grew up. And the mitigated specialist basically was you know, they do their report. After they, like, speak to your mother, speak to whoever, and then they, you speak to you, and then they do their whole report. So I had a good mitigating, mispercialist. So she basically was breaking down, like, telling the judge and telling the DA, like,

prison ain't going to help him if you send him to prison. That's how the mitigating specialist basically was. She was like, yo, prison is not going to help him, no matter what time, much time you're going to give him, prison is not going to rehabilitate him. They ain't going to rehabilitate him. Prison don't really rehabilitate nobody or actuality when you really realize and look at it.

It's going to take you away from the family, away from your loved ones and stuff like that, but that's not going to rehabilitate you. Because if you want to come back out here, why do you think you might see motherfucker might did 15, 20 years in prison and then they come home and do some dumb shit? for real. Prison really don't rehabilitate you.

That don't really do that. You're just pushing us. I ain't going to say these people. You're just pushing us back in the street with felonies. And what are we supposed to do? What are we supposed to do? Honestly, what are we supposed to do? For real.

If you ain't got nothing set or if you ain't got like a person or people helping you, like what we actually supposed to do? What you think we're supposed to do? Eventually, You might try certain shit jobs and shit like that. All right, cool. But eventually certain things might not be good for you. Shit is high in New York.

So certain things might not be right for you. So what you think that we're going to do? What you think that we're going to do? We're going to go back to what we know best. You might, you might, this motherfucker might be a person that he feel like he's a professional when sticking up people. He might feel he a professional when selling drugs. he might feel he'll professional win

fucking whatever scamming whatever it don't matter but what you expect for a person to go and do you feel me it ain't like you pushing people back out here and say yo listen we're going to set you over this job we're going to do this you need housing we're going to do this

nah you're not really doing that they're not really doing that they just push you back on the street they put you in the halfway house that's all they're doing all right yo you're going to go to the halfway house and listen we're going to make sure that you get your ID whatever the fuck you need, this down and third. Nah, for real.

Especially if you're dealing with a person that used to making money every day or if you're dealing with a person that got like a different type of lifestyle. Especially nowadays, you see this shit out here. You come outside Instagram or fuck you up if your mind ain't right. Damn, this thing got all kind of Porsche's. This thing got all kind of Ferrari's. This shit is a fucking nigga up. For real.

You be like, what the fuck? on some real shit. This thing got all kind of jury on. What the fuck? What the fuck he doing? For real. So now that shit a fucking nigga brain up

if you ain't really solid and standing your ground and things like that, man. What was your experience in the feds, especially because you had kind of a high profile case? My experience was cool, man. I ain't going to lie.

I really... My experience was cool, man. Yo, no lie, no bullshit, right? I met a good guy. I met a great guy. It's my brother. It's my brother. I still speak to him to this day, right?

We got the record label, OBH, OBAH, Brooklyn, right? Name ARIB. Great guy, great guy, great, great grow. I mean, people on the outside looking in, they might see him. Oh, he's a monster, he this, he that. But a person going to say that

when they really don't know you. Just from reading the book. blogs about you. They're from Philly by the way. You know what I mean? So this is my brother, man. My brother. Literally my brother.

I deal with him more than people that I don't grow up with. And I met him in the feds. I've been listening to his music. Before I went to the feds, I've been listening to his music. But I met him in the feds. And from him, like for me dealing with him, that's how I got ties with Philly through him. So when I go out to Philly,

they laid a carpet out for me. I go straight to the trenches, straight to the trenches. So my experience was cool. I ain't, I ain't, I ain't, I ain't, I ain't, I ain't have no problems. I ain't have no problems at all. Then I've got to taste this joint right here. The magic mind, man, man.

I got to taste this magic mind. I need something to go home with though, man. Yeah, I'll send you some home, bro. Yeah, I need some. gonna go home with man give you a few of those bottles yeah let me see something macha for the first time yeah and this shit tastes good man it's good right it's good right yeah you say you drink this before the interviews yeah before the interviews man it keeps me focused it doesn't leave you like that hangover um from some energy drinks and uh you could drink it with coffee too you know i'm gonna come i'm gonna be

coming back here all the time too you're welcome any time bro i'm gonna treat this like my home but next time i've come i'm taking my shoes off though yeah we'll play video you play call duty at all? Nah, I'll be playing The Last of Us with my son. You heard of again the last of us? Of course, I saw the TV show. That shit fire. So good.

I can't wait for season two, right? That's your fire. I'll be playing The Last of Us, but this shit is comfortable, man. Next time I'll come, I'm taking my shoes off, man. It's cozy. This carpet's here. This is the Porn Star rug.

One thing about me, man, I like taking my shoes off, man. I like to be comfortable, huh? What year did you get out of the feds? 23. 23. I got on August 23. So you're still on paper now?

Yeah, unfortunately. I am. I get off next year. What's life like on paper? How have you been able to rebuild? My PO really don't mess with me like that, man. You know, he has FaceTime me once in a while. He phasedimey the other day.

Wish me happy holidays. This was like around Christmas time. He phasedime. I text him. I text him for New Year's, wish him and his family, happy New Year, stuff like that, but he really don't mess with me like that. He really don't bother me, man.

One thing about these fares, man, like they let you hang yourself. That's their whole thing. We ain't going to be on you. We ain't going to be on you at all. Why we need the babysit you for? Whatever you're doing, especially if you're doing some wrong shit, there's always going to come out.

And it always happened like that, for real. It always happened like that on some real shit. It always happened like that. So my PO is cool, though, honestly. My P.O. is cool, man. I just can't wait to get off this shit so I could travel, man. I've never been out the country. I just want to travel, man.

I just want to, and I just want to, like, I forgot the feeling of, like, just not being on nothing. Now, you said you were still a part of the Trey Nines. What does that mean? With Nantre. Nine Trey, yeah. Yeah, I'm still affiliated, though, but, you know, like, my whole thing is, like, everything is, like, positive, like, for I was with this shit, man, man. Like, we ain't doing no more dumb shit. We ain't run around doing no stupid shit.

And we just on music, man. That's it, man. We just on music, honestly. We really just on music. We ain't running around doing no goofy shit, committing crimes, doing no stupid shit. Like, everything is like about music now, man. That's what I'm on. I'm on music, man.

Do you think that's a misconception of when people are still affiliated with organizations? Yeah, it is, though. It is, though. It's nothing wrong with that, though. It's nothing wrong at all. It's just about how you're, you know, you utilize it. You want to utilize it in a good way. That's all it is. The minute you start doing some wrong shit and then that's something different. But you just want to utilize shit in the

right way. You want to utilize it in the right way. You don't want to utilize anything in the wrong way to where they get anything misconstrued. Nah. You want to do everything the right way. Are you worried about the risk of being associated where someone else, like you can only control yourself. You can't control someone else's actions. So if someone else does something, something wrong? Doesn't that reflect on you or no? No, it don't really reflect on me because if I'm not dealing with you, it don't reflect on me. It don't reflect. I only deal with like a certain handful of people. That's why I do that now. I deal with a certain handful of people.

So all of us, we always in contact and all of us always going to be on the same page. They're on the same type of time that I'm on. Like positive shit, music, shit like that. They work in. truck and business, things like that. Like, everything is positive. What do you think spend your biggest learning lesson throughout all your years in prison and going through this most recent situation?

I didn't hear you say that one more time. Your biggest learning lesson. What has it been? My biggest learning lesson, my biggest learning lesson is just associate myself around the right people. Simple. Just associate yourself around the right people. Because the minute you be around the wrong people

that really don't got nothing going for themselves, they're not caring about what you got going on. They don't got nothing going on. So they're looking at it as, why the fuck I care about what drama got going on if I don't got got, I don't got nothing going on? So why would I care about not fucking up? Why do I care about doing some dumb shit

The fuck up your situation If I don't have nothing going on You feel me? So that's like my biggest thing Like just surround myself around people That got some type of meaning I don't want to surround myself Around people that

Really not doing anything for themselves Everything got to have a purpose Everything got to have a purpose man Everything got to have a purpose Because at the end of the day right the only people that's suffering at the end is me. I'm the one that got to do the time. Y'all going to move on with your life.

The world is not going to stop spinning. Everything is going to continue to go on in the world. Only thing a person is going to say, yo, damn, I just was talking about you. That's the first thing a person saying. Anybody that tell me that I know you're lying. Yo, I just was thinking about you. I know you're lying.

Don't even tell me that. Yo, I just was talking about you. Don't tell me that. I know you lying. And you know what got me saying that? Magic mind. Magic mind got me saying that, man. Mental performance shot.

I'm glad you like it, man. Well, drama, thanks so much for coming on the show today, man. You know, I ain't a lot, man. Everything happened for a reason, right? On some real shit, right? And I really consider you as a friend now. We locked in. We all the way locked in.

You got to check these. braces out. Hold on, man. You got to show them the bracelets. Aren't they sick, bro? I rock it every day. Braces are sexy, man. We got the white and black exclusive. Yeah, you got to show them the braces, right? Exclusive for the guest to lock in. He's exclusive right here. I'm always going to wear these, man. And this is not my only time coming back here, neither, man. We locked in. We locked in. We locked all the way in. You see locked in? We locked all the way in. You see locked in? We locked all the way in. You're you, brother. For real, I appreciate you, man.

Yeah. I like this right here. This type of setting. It's comfortability. No worries. Not intrusive. Not intrusive. I like this right here.

It's nice. It's nice. I'm glad to enjoy. Before we go, I want to give a shout out, man. Of course, bro. The floor is yours. Yo, listen, man. I won't give a shout out.

I want to give a shout out to Philly, man. Philly, my second home. Free A.R.I. Shout out to King Earner. Shout out the leakmoss. Shout out the OBA's burdo. Um, what else,

man? Like, we hear, man. It's 2025, man. This is what we doing, man. Once again, man, free AR ad, man. Free A.R. ad, man.

Free the big dog, man. That's what it is, man. OBS Brooklyn, OBAH, man. I did it for trail. Out now, man, on all platforms, man. This is what we're doing. Also, shout out, man, to my manager.

My manager. Cat, cat, you know, I appreciate you, man. You already know what it is with us, man. Magic mind.