Locked In with Ian Bick - I Was A Shot Caller For The Bloods Inside America’s Deadliest Prisons | Smiley B

Episode Date: July 10, 2025

Smiley B grew up in the Bronx without a father figure and was pulled into gang life at an early age. Recruited into the Bloods, he was in and out of juvie and Rikers Island before catching two federal cases that led to 15 years behind bars. From surviving 11 different federal prisons—6 of them being the most violent U.S. penitentiaries—to becoming a shot caller inside, Smiley B lived through it all. In this raw and unfiltered interview, he shares the brutal war stories, the codes of prison politics, and the moment he finally decided to walk away from the life that nearly destroyed him. #BloodsGang #FederalPrisonStory #RikersIsland #GangLifeSurvivor #PrisonWarStories #ShotCaller #RedemptionStory #lockedinpodcast Connect with Smiley B: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/neighborhood.poppy29?igsh=MWx1eGZtd2Uwa2gxZA%3D%3D&utm_source=qr. Buy his book: https://a.co/d/aaaFR7R Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Presented by Tyson 2.0 & Wooooo Energy: https://tyson20.com/ https://woooooenergy.com/ Buy Merch: http://www.ianbick.com/shop Timestamps: 00:00:00 Smiley B’s Rough Upbringing and Joining the Bloods 00:07:04 Early Misadventures and Street Influence 00:13:51 Early Life and Gang Influence 00:21:17 Life in Juvenile Detention Centers 00:27:51 The Art of Car Theft 00:34:52 Understanding Gang Culture in the Federal System 00:41:58 Life in High-Security Prisons: A First-Hand Account 00:48:30 Life in a US Penitentiary 00:55:00 Jealousy and Tensions within Prison Crews 01:02:11 Understanding the Street Mentality in Prison 01:08:18 Contraband and Corruption Inside Prisons 01:14:49 Unexpected Legal Troubles and Intertwined Cases 01:22:01 Reflections on Prison Life and Regret 01:27:49 2017 Raid 01:34:08 Prison Dynamics and Inmate Conflicts 01:43:43 Transitioning to Life Outside Prison 01:46:50 Shout Outs to Supporters and Family Powered by: Just Media House : https://www.justmediahouse.com/ Creative direction, design, assets, support by FWRD: https://www.fwrd.co Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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with benefil freshly prepared meals visit purina dot com slash benefil to shop now when you mixed up with a whole went to people from all over the world, it's dangerous because you don't never know what's going happen. I don't know how they think over there, how they move over there. You don't know how we move over there. You don't know how we think. When the gang's about the crash, this shit like Spartan 300. Everybody got knives, it got locks and socks. Everybody got something. And it's going down out there. Ain't stopping it. The police ain't stopping it. The police ain't stopping it. Smiley B. grew up in the Bronx without a father figure and the streets raised him fast, recruited into the bloods as a kid. He was in and out of Juvie and Rikers before he ever had a chance at real life. He caught two federal

cases and spent 15 years behind bars surviving 11 different prisons, including six of the most violent U.S. penitentiaries. From brutal war stories and earning his stripes as a shot caller to finally walking away from the life that nearly killed him, this is Smiley's B's story of survival, power, and redemption. Smiley B, welcome to Lockton, man. I know we've been talking about doing this for a while now. And just for a... fair warning to the audience, be prepared for a crazy interview today. My man showed up with the paperwork. He showed up with the photos.

You got to show the audience some of these photos you walked in here with. I mean, you got to have everything. It's just like going to, I mean, prison. Got all type of pictures. I've been on all type of yards. This ain't no cat. This is real talk right here. He literally walked in with a duffel bag, a whole rolling suitcase of every prison

file he's had. All my shots, my cases. Ain't no 5K-1s in there. Ain't no Rule 35s in there, none of that type of stuff, you heard? Yeah. But this is all the pictures, man. All type of places from Macquarie to Big Sandy to Allen Wood to wherever else you want, Lee County. You got the champagne bottle to...

Oh, yeah, I want to relax today, man. You heard? Nothing too heavy. And you brought me a copy of your book that you just published, right? Yeah, I just published that May 20th. Awesome. man welcome to the neighborhood we'll have to link to the in the description of this absolutely it's a good read too i'll bring you to the usps in there too hey people love the

usp stores i know you did chad marks who's a good friend of the show he did my show when i was first starting out i know i seen him he was my first big usp guest put me on the map with that for real yeah he was i was with chad in lee county chad's kind of at when i first met him i was kind of scared of him because you don't know but he's really just like such a lovable lovable guy but at first i was a little bit intimidated by him Chad, cool people's man I'm about to go back on chat He wanted me to do a part two to his

Yeah, when I had him Lift up his shirt during the interview He, that clip went so viral Because he was like, you want me to show you And he showed the whole back tattoo In the middle of the email My whole body tatted too Everything

And you're arms Everything That's crazy I got colors and everything in there Oh, I like that Lakers tattoo I got the green big packets Right here on the side I got a whole body tat of everything

Awesome I'm gonna take it off one time for y'all later on. Yeah, we're going to film some funny skits after this. We can do it like that. So, Smiley, tell us where you're from. I'm from the Bronx, New York City, Sanview, Leland Avenue. And you grew up there?

Yeah, I grew up there. Born and raised. Born and raised. Who'd you grow up with? Well, it was back and forth between my mother and my grandmother. Sometimes my mother couldn't handle me, so she sent me to my grandmother. Then I started going to, that's when I started getting introduced to the, to the penal system, juvenile

on, like, group homes, Sparford. I don't know if you're familiar with that. Matter of fact, Mike Tyson was there in Sparford. Is that the one that closed down? Yeah. I had a guy that came on that

explored the abandoned prison there. Oh, for real? Yeah, he broke in and viewed it and all that. Oh, that's crazy. Yeah. I've been there. I was there.

I did 18 months, juvenile. Wow. I did, I did, was with the, with the Brookwood Secures Center That's the name of it Where was your dad growing up? My dad was like in and out my life Like

He was there but he wasn't there Like he popped up on a birthday or Christmas Or really was no father figure Really in my household Any siblings? Yeah, I got a little brother Were you guys close growing up? Not really because I was in and out of the system

Now we just got close Now we really tight He on tour right now with the weekend Really? Yeah I'll show you some video I was after. Good for him. Yeah, that's what he's doing right now. He sings.

What did your mom and grandmother do for work to support you? They worked in this place called the Hunts Point Market. It's like some place where they sell fruits and vegetables. It's a big place in the Bronx store. Yeah. They just went there. We worked there for like 20 years out of my life. Then they closed there and the place that they was working for.

And they went their ways. Would you say you grew up in poverty? I ain't going to say like sometimes. Some days you look inside, ain't nothing in the fridge but a milk cart and an apple with some shit. Overroto, no, my family, it was all right. What was the neighborhood like? Now, that's poverty, girl. Neighborhood, I mean, Sam, if you Google, you heard of Pistol Pete?

Yeah. The sex money murder. Well, that's the area right there. That's where I grew up at. He has a podcast. Huh? I think he has a podcast. Oh, now, you're talking about the Spanish Pistol Pete.

Oh, there's two Pistol Pets? Yeah. It's one that's an ADX. and then it's one that's at home. Okay. The Spanish one is the one you're talking about. That's Fat Joe, right? Wait, Fat Joe is Pistol Pete?

No, Fat Joe's man. Oh, okay. One of his home boys, that's Pistol Pete, Spanish guy. Fat Joe's going through it right now, right? I saw some crazy stuff posted on the internet. I don't even keep up with them no more, man, because they always doing something crazy. What were your aspirations and your dreams as a kid?

Before you ever got into trouble, what was a young smiley be like? Truth be tough. So I hate a school. I always hate a school. I figured once they came with that GED, I was like, I'm getting that. I'm getting out of it.

I mean? But I ain't really had no aspiration. I just wanted to be successful in life for whatever I wanted to do. Like, it wasn't no specific, I want to be a firefighter. I want to be this. I want to be that.

I never had like that type of mentality. I was just like, when I found what I want to do and I fall in love with it, I'm going to do it, and then it go from there. I'll be successful, give it my blood, sweat, sweat, and tears. How would you describe yourself? a kid. What was your attitude like, what was your demeanor? My demeanor was laid back at first.

You know, when I go through certain things, that's what transpired me into become who I am now. Like, the experiences I went through, like, changed me a little bit. But in the beginning of the Smalley Bee generation, like, I was laid back. I was chilling. I was on some, like, I started indulging into, like, little criminal. activities young like what's that what's that throwing rocks at calls and stuff like that you know little kids stuff you don't know no better but as time progressed i started getting into the streets for real did you do those like the throwing rocks of cars uh were you influenced by other kids doing that or is that something you just wanted you figured on your own i think i seen to be honest with you i think i seen that shit on a on a tv and i was like let me try this shit see what happens for real so i got

chased by this guy one time he chased me i just caught his uh his uh his winters and i cracked his uh his I hit him with a big rock and he chased us it was like three of us he chased all of us I had to jump in a tree climbing the tree climb on some fence got away from this shit after that I was like I ain't throwing no more rocks fuck rocks did your mom and grandmother put in good effort to keep you away from the streets you and your brother my mom's my mom's tried more than my grandmother because my grandmother was living in the same view my mom had moved she went to um pelham bay at the time trying to get away from where I was doing already.

But then when I started getting in trouble in Palo Bay, she's like, yo, just go back over there. Tell me my grandmother, yo, here it takes him. Oh, your mom didn't want to deal with you? No, she kicked me out of the house, like, twice, matter of fact. You think that had a big impact on you? Absolutely. Like, damn, mom's young.

I don't even know no better yet. She ain't care about that. She was like, get up out of head because she didn't want my brother to follow suit. My little brother was looking up to me at the time. I'm always in trouble. You feel like she gave up on you? At one point in time, absolutely.

Do you think that if she put in just a little bit more effort and didn't give up on you so quickly, life would have turned out differently? I think that if my father would have been involved in my life proactively, like it would have changed. I don't really think I really wanted to listen to a woman, to be honest with you. I needed that manly figure like, yo, don't do this, don't do that.

Come here, grab me, pull me, yo, stop doing that. I think I needed that. That was how my character ended up being like how it is now. So I think that would have been a resolution. Did the people you were hanging out with and growing up with that they have no father in their lives either? Yeah, a lot of them didn't. Like they got uncles here and there,

but they're in and out of prison. Older brothers, they're in and out of prison. So it's like everybody's getting recycled. So everybody's in the same cycle. We're all on the same boat. That's how you even started joining that gang shit because at the time, we were looking for love. So I'm going with my homies that's looking for the same thing I'm looking for

So we're giving it to each other You know what I'm saying I guess that filled the void How'd you first get into gang life We got into the gang life I was about 12 years old And one of my men He had came to the block

He had a red man dead out of his pocket I was like what's that He was like man I'm a blood I was like what's that So, you know, you hear about blood, you think about California and stuff like that. He was like, yeah, that's out here now. I'm like, oh, all right. So when we got locked up in juvenile, we was claiming blood, but we never got put on yet at that time.

When they found out that we was claiming that in juvenile and came home, they beat the shit out of us. All of us. We all turned blood after that. So they let you join because you were claiming blood anyways? And they already liked us. We grew up in the neighborhood. They raised us really, so it was like it was only right that we come under. them like what did you think it meant to be a blood to you at that time what it meant to be a blood

well at that time right there was like it was really my family like at the end of the day was like something that was filling the void like i said earlier like damn that's my homie that's my brother like i don't got no older brother so that's like my older brother figure like i ain't got no father so the o-g like my father you tell me what the dude do but in reality being young like that you don't really know they really putting you on. Like, this is for life, this is for this. They don't tell you about, you got to go do this.

You got to cut this first and face. You got to do this. They don't tell you that part. You find out as you go. I found out. How do you, or what kind of love were they showing you in the beginning that you thought was love, but turned out not to really be love? Like, oh, I used to run away from home.

They let me stay in their house. I'm like, oh, that's, he's looking out for me. They used to buy new clothes for us, give us money to go to school with. stuff like that just showing stuff that my family wasn't doing at the time or not doing often let me say that but all those things came with a price

absolutely late on out of line not right then and it is but later on at the line we paid the price do you feel like it's grooming in a way like as far as what like you're you're taking a young kid and grooming him to become this gang member

you're not asking him to do certain crimes or illegal activities right off the bat but it's growing into that man no like I mean it really in reality

it boils down to who you're around who that person is because some people don't even do that some people try to school you like now the old geez

they be trying to school you like go to school get an education take care of your family that's being gangster that's what it is now for real

because to be honest with you the streets is washed up and I could tell when I was doing my bid from the people that was coming in it was a bunch of garbage

characters stealing homos all this other type of stuff they got going on you know stuff that people don't usually doing jail

whatever you know what I'm saying it's like it's frowned upon they coming in doing that off the rip like what the fuck is like where he's from he's from

mullinging from malls or some shit like who is this what I'm saying so when I started saying that I knew when I came home this time right

I had to change I couldn't keep doing that stupid shit no I'm too old I'm gonna be 40 years old but doing this just a kid I'm saying?

When was the first time they cashed in on, you know, wanting you to do something for them? That's it, well, that was a while ago. That was a little kid. We was on the train. I ain't take the train since forever. We was on the train or whatever. And a dude had red on.

He was like, yo, repress him. What's up with him? I went over there. Yo, what's so? You blah? No, I ain't blood. Why you got red on? I don't know if you remember back in the days.

Like on the news, they used to be like, oh, blood's slashing this person for wearing red. And you remember that back in the days? I remember us kids like they would say don't wear certain colors and stuff walking around New York. This is this era right here. This is late 90s. And I'm asking for the time. When he looked down, I just cut him across the face of the razor because he ain't blood. That was the first time I cast, they cast out on me back.

I split his face. He cut. He was leaking. He pushed me and ran. Now, is this an older guy? A younger guy? He's probably like, because I was probably like 13, 14, so he's probably like 23, 24, in the 20 somewhere. Would you have done that to say an adult that was wearing red, like a grown man?

No, no, no. So it's just because they look young. They look like they're in a gang. Exactly. It was just a, I guess it was like a perception. How'd that make you feel when you did that and they asked you to do that? At first I was nervous because I never did that with no raise. I was thinking about cutting myself.

I didn't know, but he was showing me how to do it. from before we was on the train, before this even transpired. He was like, this how you hold it, this is how you pop it, this how you do this. So when I first did,

I was like, I felt the skin rip. I had him with a box cutter. You remember them little metal box cutters they had that you bang off your thigh? I had one of them. I banged it off my thigh, cut him.

I ain't even, and I felt the rip, I seen the blood dripping. I ain't know how hard I cut him. I just swung it, for real. And I caught him. He pushed me around.

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I guess it was for a good cause. He told me to do it. What I'm saying? That was little. I was young. I ain't know no better, I'm saying? Who else what it was? But then I started liking it.

That was the problem. It's time progressed. I started doing it more frequently, especially in prison. And I ain't got none on my face. I'm still handsome. So, I mean, they tried, though. It ain't worked out. What was going on with school when you were starting to run with the gangs?

I started cutting more and more. I started seeing my, they was calling my mother, sending her letters in the mail. Yeah, your son, haven't been to school in three weeks, shit like that. She's like, what the fuck is going on? I called my mother right now on the phone. She'll tell you, like, this kid right here, man, it gave me a heart attack. But I ain't like school. I never liked the school.

I only used to go to school for lunch. the gym and to meet little girls like my age, you feel me? That was it. Ever than that? School was trash to me. I felt like nothing they was teaching me and they was going to help me progress later on down the line. How old were you when you got your first jail time,

Juvie or Rikers or whatever it was? I went to Spofford. When did the Twin Towers crash? 2001. So 2001 I was in the state facility already. I was in Brooklyn Securisand in Clavreight, New York. And how old are you? Well, I'm 39 now, so I was probably about, what, 14?

24 years, yeah. That was your first bid. It was my first bed ever for cutting somebody. Separate from the train. Separate from the train. This was in the park. What happened? Me being stupid, I'm saying?

I had red on. Dude was coming down the block. They were saying that he had, he was in the park, actually. He said he was tucking a band dana in his pocket. While he was walking, I guess he's seen everybody with red on. So he was like, man was like, he got a blue bin den in his pocket. I was like, what? Stop lying.

He's like, I'm serious. So when he walked by, I was like, yo, what's so? I stopped him. You got a light. I think it was, I asked him for a light at the time. One another other. That was the way to stop him. So shit happened, whatever, whatever like that.

His man ran on him. I cut his face, boo. That was it. Then we all split up. And just my luck, the patty wagon comes against me and my friend. We went to jail. How'd they find you?

Shit, we're the only ones in the park were red on. It's just us. Oh, you were just hanging out there. They were just hanging out there, smoking weed, drinking, what them shit was? O'E's back then.

Remember the malt liquor? Yeah. We was drinking one of those. They ain't find a razor or nothing. Dude came in the back of the patty rack with a knack and pointing us out and stuff. That's how I got knocked. Was it common for 14-year-olds to be in the

bloods back at that time. It was a couple of us, though. The one I'm going to say it was common, like, you see a whole bunch of us. It was just, like, certain ones was influential, like, certain juveniles was influential and the other juveniles or followers. You know what I'm saying? That's how that was, and we bring them, and we breed and do stuff like that. But overall, like, you're not just going to see them all.

You might got two from this hood, three from that hood, one from this hood that got some type of name. it'd be like that not like 15 over it not like how it is now no getting arrested that first time did you feel like you were earning your stripes like it was cool like you know you're going to jail going to prison yeah

you're stupid I'm stupid y'all I mean you don't know no better your brain ain't even developed to mid-20s I just was like I didn't get my name up now looking stupid in the jumpsuit and you know I was wilding that with too. Yeah, tell us about that. Tell us about that first experience. What the hell was the first experience that I had? Oh, in juvenile, they give you a milk

and they give you like a snack at night. So we was taking people snacks. And one kid was like, yo, you ain't getting no snack from me. Get the fuck up out of here. Like, what? So we waited for the next day. He went into the shower. We just beat his ass in the shower. Everybody was stomping him out. We all went to keep lock. My man Castro and me, man. Rest in peace. Castro. He was one that told me how to rap. That's how I learned how to rap. Being on Keep Lock, being behind the door.

I used to hear him rap every day like, damn, what the fuck? He'd be nice. I'm trying. He's like, oh, that shit trash. Shut up. Lay down. I'm saying?

So I built myself up. It's time going on. But I wasn't even, that was the first time with the Juve. I went to Julie probably like, probably three times. And I went to Group Home, Beach House. And I don't secure detention. Then I went to ATD, alternative to detention.

The judge had kept in trying to give me tries. Then he was tired of that shit. Like, yo, listen, you're going to a state facility, man. Fuck all that. How old are you in that happen? What, with the state facility? That was that 2001. That was when the time was cracked.

We watched it on TV. Oh, so you went to the juvies and then he all throughout that year, and then they sent him to. Yeah, I kept going. I was catching a little dumb case, dumb shit. Small stuff. Yeah, because, you know, they let you out. It's family court. This is not criminal court like with the adults.

This is family court. They let you go home with your mom, shit like that as long as she comes. I'm not a bond. She's telling the court's like, yo, this thing is not complying with nothing. I don't know what to do with him. I put him in the juvenile group home. I mean, that joint, I ran away from that shit. That shit was right in my hood.

Ran down the block. I was telling him on a block on a block party. They were like, where the fuckie? They don't count. Where the fuck is this kid at? I'm down the block drinking, smoking him high. They caught me because one of the guys were driving back to the beach house and seen me on a block out there.

Like, what the fuck? Well, that's how I got caught for that. So is Spofford, the state, was that considered state or Jubey? So basically Spofford to Juana's like the county jail to like somewhere out here or something like that. Okay. They got county jails out here. Not really in the state.

I mean, for the feds, we went to Rhode Island. Rhode Island. Rhode Island. Yeah, to Hawaii. It's a private facility for the tri-state area. That's far. Yeah, that's where they sent. Oh, it's two and a half hours.

From here? Yeah, so they send you from there. There's a holding cell in the courthouse where if you get arrested and you don't get bail, they'll keep you there for a couple hours and then they ship you off. See, the juvenile facility right there. Like, we can't go to Rikers Island until we're 16 because they got adolescent part in the forebill in the C-74. But we can't go there yet, so they bring us to the juvenile. I opened up one of their facilities called Horizon over there by like Brookhead,

Cyprus or whatever. When I went in there, the units was empty. That's probably like six of us on the unit. I opened that up, then I went up. I went to the pyramid. They cut my hair off. They gave me different color of laces. And that was the journey right there, 18 months.

Going through all type of shit. Getting restrained by the stab. They beat me. I got rug burns on my face. Throwing milk, water in the sealed face. Fighting in the cells. It's different than affairs, though. Were there a lot of teenage gangbangers in these juvenile detention places?

Yeah. More bloods than anything. Are there Crips at all or any other type of gang members or just strictly bloods? You had a few Latin Kings. Back then, that was popular. Crips you might have had like, and they was getting beat them on a regular. probably like three or four in the whole facility and they was going through it

they was fighting every day all day their knuckles is bloody teeth missing they was getting jumped on the regular they wasn't allowed to live at that time it's just in the 90s late 90s early 2000s now it's not like that

shit totally different now tell us about your first time at Rikers I'm hearing all these fucking stories I'm on the bus, like, what the... I hear all these older niggas in the background talking crazy. Yo, yeah, you gotta get a raisin when you get up in there, young blood.

Like, what? What fuck is you talking about? Like, y'all'm telling you that shit lit over there. You were on the four building. They used to call adolescents. It's called A-R-D-C. That's the name of the building for the four-builder. C-74 in Rikers Island. That shit standing for adolescents really do cut.

That was what the acronym was for that And I was like, what the fuck? I've got to get a razor ASAP C-Os were selling the razors They ain't really care But in there I remember I got jumped from the house The whole house jumped me

Because I got on the phone They were like, you just got out the phone I'm like, yeah, they're like, yeah, they're like coming to day room I don't know no better This is my first time right in a day room They closed the door When they close the door, you can't push the door out The CO got to come out the bubble

and open the door for you with the key. Man, they beat the shit out of me. It was like 20-something people hitting me. I'm fighting back, though, but there's so many fish flying. You got bobbing the weaving majority of the time to the CEO get the fuck out the bubble. Heavy to fuck up, nigga. Trying to get saved over here.

There's two of these dicks right here. It's 27 people fighting. It's like a Royal Rumble in the day room. Everybody's fighting me, though. I threw the TV on the floor, broke the TV. Why they'd jump you for using the phone? Because at that time they had slot times. Like, you can use the phone at 7, from 7 to 8.

You can use the phone from 6 to 6.30. You could, like, you had to fight for all that shit. I ain't know you had to do all that. I was with all that anyway, so you could have just told me that from the beginning. We just got it on and whatever. Plus, I knew a lot of the dudes there, so I took it like I could just get on the phone. I knew a majority of juveniles there because we was in the juvenile facilities and Sparfield together. It's the same people we're just upgrading

And with our age Did going to Rikers make you tougher? Hell yeah I ain't go front That shit glad he to school I ain't going to front That shit was way more popping in Sparford Do you think it gave you the stamina

The last in these penitentiaries Later in life? I think it gave me the skill set To be able to defuse situations To act I mean shit like that Yeah I can say yeah hell yeah Rikers Island built me for that

What happens after you leave Rikers? I'm going home. I'm chilling in the crib. I'm catching a little bullshit charges here in there like stoning cars. They still cars back in the days. Still cars. Sell drugs. Shit like that.

That's what I used to do back in the days, whatever. And I was catching petty cases. Some of them shit I, like the last case I caught before I called my fad case was some bullshit-ass. What the shit was? A knife in the car. I got that shit on my PSI right here Just a violation That was just a knife

They're saying there was a felony So we were my man's car Whatever and they found a knife on the floor When they pulled a car over it So he's not saying it's his And I ain't saying it's mine How big is this knife? It's a gravity knife

The one that's the butterfly shit Ah, they used to be illegal back in the day Yeah Are you y'all going to Rikers? He was like man, it was his I'm like, what the fuck? He took my stupid ass the Rikers So they gave me

A conditional discharge meaning that if I stayed out of trouble for a year, they'd throw it out. But if not, it's going to stay on my record. And that shit actually fucked me out when I called my fared case because it gave me points. It put me in another category. How old were you when you got caught for that knife? Probably like 17, 18. So you ended up not serving actual time for that?

Nah. I just went to that. I just went through the whole system, central bookends and all that shit, fingerprints. Matter of fact, that mugshot was the case right before the knife, the one that you've seen earlier. Yeah, yeah. So did they not use your juvenile records against you? Well, for the feds? No, for that knife case. Yeah, they gave me your, what's that shit called?

A WIO, you full offender? Yeah. That's what I got for that last knife shit. So that's why, like, because you had such a record you were in now to Rikers before, you would have thought that getting pop with that knife would have sent you to prison for at least a few years. Yeah, they didn't do that. Well, I guess they had something better for me. The feds came, you know?

Tell us about how you would steal cars. Oh, that shit used to be funniest head One of my friends told me that shit I'd never forget You remember the dogs, neons Oh, like they I know what you're talking about Yeah

Remember those cars, huh? Yeah, yeah So you know inside the rubber Inside the part where the window was at It's got a rubber part If I take a screwdriver And pop it Not pop it like too far

But probably I can stick my arm down And open up the door Because the thing The handle was on the top I just stick my little skinny ass Arm in it Pop it Go inside there

take the pliers, rip the bottom off, put the screwdriver stick in the side of key ignition, and keep turning it into the windshield wipers come on. Once the windshield wipers on, I know the car coming. That's it. Just like that. We used to be stumps sheds all over. All over.

Like I caught for that shit. My man took the charge for me because I had an open gun charge at the time. I had to do a year on Wreckers Island for that shit. What would you do once you stole the car? We take it to the Shopsis. And how much are they giving you for that? It depends who's working there.

You know what I'm saying? Different people. give you different prices. Like it might be the same guy than this, a whole bunch of stuff for it. So he'd be like, yeah, I'm gonna give you a thousand. Somebody might try to play you like, he's seen we juveniles, we young, y'all, I'll give you 300.

Like, 300. What fuck is that? I bought two pairs of sneakers, that shit over with. I ain't taking that price right there. I come back to them all. Did you ever feel bad about stealing an innocent person's car? Did you think about that at the time you were doing it? No, but as I grew older, I was like,

that shit was stupidest of it. I regretted it, but it was like I was already done now at this point. It's just part of my learning experience. Do you think if you thought more in the moment about how the other person, you know, was feeling, you would have made different choices as a kid? Not as a kid, but now, yeah. No, but I'm saying if you did as a kid, would you have not made those choices? Showing more empathy towards people?

Yeah, I would have shown more empathy, yeah. Knowing what they thinking about at the time, like, damn, he stole my car, got to work in the morning. Like, yeah, I probably would have been like, damn. Fuck, I'm going to drop that shit down the block so you can have it for the morning or whatever if I knew that. Do you feel like that's something that your parents just never taught you about?

I feel like if they did, I just didn't listen. For real. I used to be hard-headed. That's what all this is about being hard-headed. I just learned to be, too. You and me both. That was hard-headed, too.

I used to take risk all the time. I didn't care what was the outcome of that shit. I used to like to gamble on my life. And that's what that was. I don't know. Tell us about the first Fed case you caught and how old you were. My first Fed case, I was 20 years old. I got locked up in, what fuck was that shit?

Utica, New York. I got locked up in Utica for cocaine possession and a fire arm. Were you dealing cocaine, or was just your personal use? Well, they only found 14 grams. What made my shit feather was the gun. Because it had scratched out serial numbers. It was operated. You know, that's automatically federal.

And were you a felon already with that or no? So it was a felon with a gun? A felon in possession of a firearm. Now did this... 922G. Did the state catch you and then they referred it to the feds? Exactly. Okay.

And the feds picked it up. The feds picked it immediately up. I only went to court one time for that shit. That ass. My lawyer was like, I was like, I called my lawyer. In the morning, I called my lawyer. I was like, yo, they said I got court. She was like, ain't no court.

According to her success, I'm like, man, I'm going to court right now. She was like, what? I'm going to call the courthouse. Call me back. I'm like, I'm going to try. Fair. I'm going to go to court. The judge's like, on the behalf of New York State versus Neil, man, da-da-da-da.

The case is being dismissed. I'm looking around like, dismissed. What? He was like, but you're being federally prosecuted. I'm like, oh, you ain't, oh, this shit crazy. So the feds picked you up that day. Yeah, the feds picked me up, the marshals. They was in the back.

I didn't even see them motherfuckers. They were in any little suits in the back. You know how they are men in black. Came like, yo, come on with us, buddy. Cuff me, took me to the back. Went through a whole enough way. I didn't even know they had in this courthouse. This is in Utica, New York, or Knight of County.

Where'd the feds take you to? Syracuse. Syracuse, New York. I was like, what the fuck I'm doing out here? I didn't catch no case or so. I never even been to Syracuse before. Then they put me in their county jail out there. Because, you know, upstate New York, they don't got no MDC, Brooklyn, MCC, Manhattan.

They got all county jails. So he just bounce you around. I might stay here for three months, go over here, send you to Bingleton, send me their, um, uh, Syracuse. They sent me to fucking, what that shit was that? That shit was a hellhole. Auburn. Man, that shit was.

I was begging the judge to get the fuck about that spot. They had you on 23 and 1 automatically. That's all that was going on over there. 231, 231. I was tired of that shit already. If I'm going to be on 23 and 1, it's because I did something. You know what I'm saying? Not because you just want to put me on 23 and 1.

Let me earn that 23 and 1. You've been in the box, right? Yeah. You know how the box is. Even though sometimes you don't get no sally. Like, I ain't have a sally for a long time. Because I'm not, I look at the glass. Now you ain't coming up in here.

What the fuck up out of here? Yo, what you in here for? You game banging? Nah, all right, get the fuck up out of here. Where you from? You from New York? Ah, yo, you got like three days in here. You heard?

You hot? You got your paperwork? Yeah, I got it. It's in your property? Or what's, you got it on you right now? Oh, no, it's in my property. I just came from such and such spot. Where are you left there?

I want to know everything before you come with myself because this is my comfortability zone right here. Like, I just can't have anybody ever myself. You know how that go. I'm not just having anybody up in here I'll be having pictures hanging up with my kids You don't know if he had chomo You don't know what's going on

I ain't gonna be walking up in there He's jerking out of the picture On some weird old shit I'm going there and kill him I ain't playing that Chomos? I hate them Why you touching little kids for that shit is like the worst

They'd be embarrassed to come in there I'd be scamming I'd be scamming You ain't scamming shit I hate them for real I ain't go Own it all Pay off your home Home, travel for life, drive a Ferrari.

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I never thought I would meet New Mexico and Texas and. Oregon and all these weird ass South Dakota Indians and some weird shit like damn what the fuck like where they got me

at and there's so many different gangs like the gang culture in the federal system is so crazy like tango blast MS-13 Latin counts

vice laws Gedes crypts bluds Latin kings Nietas the list goes on like I never even heard of half of these shits

but they pop in where they from just like we pop in where we from So it's like, okay, I respect that I remember every time I go to a USP It'd be 50 30 Mexicans 30 to 50 Mexicans out my door

Waiting for me to come outside They think I'm Mexican I ain't Mexican, I'm blood The fuck away from my door What the fuck is y'all doing? They used to come deep Like when I got the big Sandy USB They got a glass

When you come off the stairs or whatever I was a C4 Man there was so many Mexican niggas out of their shirt off, face tats Yo, what's up Holmes? I'm like, what's up? What's up? I got my barrel under my arm.

But at this point, I've been in so many different prisons already, this was nothing. As soon as I went in there, you hear motherfucking yelling out of the top there. So woo, yo, what's sound blud? He was like, oh, now he's blood. Get up back up. I've been around, so it's like, yo, I don't know your big homie. Like me? Like, get up out of here.

That gun charge, how much time do you end up coping out to? For the feds? Yeah, for that first Fed case. The first Fed case, they gave me 100 months. Eight years, four months. For that? I thought it's just five that they would just slap you with. 922 G2. I got it right here.

So where did they send you for that? I went to, I went to Glenville, West Virginia. I started off at, what's that shit called? Gilmore. The medium? Yeah, I started off there first. And that was because of the...

I was there for one month. USP tour was after that. That was because of the knife you went to a medium off the bat. No, I went to a medium off the bat because, you know, when they used to do the levels, for where you're going to your point system

no GED I'm young that shit get your points up that's how they used to do it back then now they changed how they used to do it but the knife charge

that you got too wouldn't that have affected it? Yeah the knife charge had a gun charge too I did a young right because I don't for a gun so it all added up

all that shit added up they sent you to a medium start off in the medium got cold with a 10 inch knife all right so tell us that story motherfucker from I wish I knew your name could I say your name

on this shit You told him me, motherfucker, and I ain't see you yet. But a dude from Detroit, Michigan, I was in that spot right there, they got three men's. They don't got two man bunks. They got three. They got the one, the roof, the middle one.

So they got me on the roof shit. I ain't really with all that. So, boom. It's a D.C. dude in there and a Detroit dude. So, you know, I'm a gang member over there at the time over there and that shit. So we gang bang and whatever. so I had brought my paperwork outside to the yard so they was like,

yo, we're gonna get your knife. I'm like, all right, where the fuck do I put it at? I'm not used to walking around with knives. We got razor blade. That's she easy to hide. A knife? He brought that shit outside. I was like, what the fuck?

That shit was 10 inches. I was like, what the fuck I'm gonna do with this? He's like, yo, I'm telling you need that shit. I was like, but where am I putting it at? Man, I put that shit inside the, you remember they had the, I don't know if you was in the feds yet. They had an Oreo or Oreo box. It was just a.

single row? We had the full package. Oh yeah. Back then they had an Oreo roll. Just a whole one row. That's it. The knife just fit inside that shit. It was a tear on the corner or whatever.

But I had a bunch of them. So you would never know unless you know that I had one in there. I guess the Detroit dude, when I had the blonde up on the door, it was tilted a little bit. So I guess he saw me putting the shit in there. He had to. That's the only, because I ain't tell him I had no knife on me. And I had put it in my locker.

two days later I'm on the phone talking to my grandmother rest in peace and they rushed in myself so I'm like they like yo you're smalley

they ain't yourself I'm like what he's like they in your locker I'm like what man the nigga came with the Oreo box to see you

I said damn that they took my shit that's my shit so they called them my name man on the last week I ain't even answer I'm like

I'm about to go to the box you caught me you know I can't run no way caught me whatever cuffed me took me to the hole it was in the hole

they sent my ass to fucking USB Atwater in California they shipped you all the way to California I swear to God for that shit I shit in my shit They must have really thought you were a Mexican when you touched down there

Yeah yeah they definitely thought That was something Give us that first day story on the yard Atwater a little I went to the typical Oklahoma shit You know what I'm saying We went to Oklahoma transit

Then I went to Victorville. They had us in a holdover in Victorville. Then they took us to Atwater. That shit is all like deserts over there, shit. I mean? It's about 500 Mexicans on a yard. It's probably about 300 Crips and probably like 150 bloods

and then it's just like sprinkles of other different people. Like five D.C. people. Two, three New York people. A couple West Coast motherfuckers. That was it. y'all was gang central there was nothing else in that shit but gangling i only lasted there 90 days i came i had my pay where my property came whatever i gave it to them niggins they was like oh you go you solidify i got caught another knife this time was on a humble though

i was walking he papped me down and i i thought i had tucked the good i ain't tuck it he said he's like what the fuck is this i was like that's my belt he was like lift your shirt or lift my shirt up. He was like, man, that's a fucking string. I said the string was hanging. I was like, what? I took a, try to run on him. He was in the corridor. Knobknot me off with that shit. I ended up biting the police, the seal on because he kept mush in my head. When I was in handcuffs away, I bit his arm. So I left, I was in a hole in there for a minute, like 60 days. Then they came and I was like, yo, you're leaving the y'all. Because I had a separate tee with somebody that he put on me in Oklahoma. We beat somebody up in Oklahoma. So he put a separate tee.

on me and my three of my homeboys. So the dude ended up going to the yard over there where I was in the box. So once they let him out, they can't have us together. So they shit me. But I locked up. I went to Lee County, USP Lee, and Jonesville, Virginia.

Shit was crazy over there. Every penitentiary I went to was crazy. If I named where spots I've been to, you'd be like, what the fuck. Yeah, tell the audience what you can expect in a USP, what they're like. Does the violence live up to what people talk about? Hell yeah, live up to what they're talking about.

This ain't even no cap. That state shit ain't nothing. These people we're talking about they state jails, that shit ain't nothing because there's only people from your state. When you mixed up with a whole bunch of people from all over the world, it's dangerous because you don't never know

what's going to happen. I don't know how they think over there, how they move over there, you don't know how we move over here, you don't know how we think. I know this, though, when the game's about the crash, because I've been in this predicament already. This shit like Spartan 300.

You ever seen that? Yeah, I love it. This group right here, and this group right here, and we're just going to clash out. Everybody got knives. It got locks and socks. Everybody got something. And it's going down out there.

Ain't no stopping it. The police ain't stopping it. They're shooting out the tower late on when it gets too crazy. They might shoot a little smoke grenades and all up, but that shit don't even be doing nothing. But it's definitely what everybody hyping it up to be is definitely that had your paperwork. I remember the first time I was in Big Sandy. The first night I got there, man.

My motherfucker got crunched. Right in front of my cell, blood all on my door. I'm like, what the fuck on all? over here and I've been here by Big Sandy forever on there's Kentucky like they was cracking son over the head with a with a lot breaking his shit up his whole face is broken up it was blood everywhere dude from Boston was stealing somebody's sneakers out they sell and sold it to the Mexicans Mexican had a sneakers on it he's the only person were under unit with these sneakers he's all the fuck we got

them sneakers oh dude right there sold him to me what came outside he put his gloves on the on the batting gloves for baseball he got him shit, so he's like, yo, it's work cold, it's work cool. Everybody looking like, what the fuck is wrong? This nigga. Man, he used to start cracking something over the head. He was playing cars at first. Started cracking him over the head with the lock.

Boom, boom, boom. Dude tried to run, get up, crack him. That shit ended up being in front of myself. I was like, yo, get me a knife in the morning. You heard? This shit crazy over here. I don't know what's going on over here, Big Sandy. For real.

Would you always run with the bloods? Yeah, always. Blood car every time, every spot. And there was actually a blood car? in any of these prisons Every prison I'm in the blood call Only

When I started getting into The lower facilities It was like weird Like it was blood called But it wasn't organized Or structure So you got a person like me That been in these USPs

And shit like that I'd be trying to structure The y'all To how it's supposed to be Muffer's ain't got no blood table They ain't got no nothing Like behind the world We're having bleachers

We sit on like only the blood Sit on his bleachers Like get the fuck up What is you They ain't blood Get out of here Unless I'd be like Oh Ian come over here

man come drink with me for smoke some weed with me over here some shit like that then you come sick be like yo chinchas that's my man shit like that's my homie

whatever but other than that you ain't we got we got everything is is segregated over there in the USP like

yo the Mexicans over there the bloods over here the Crips over here D.C., you know D.C. deepest for fuck you like a gang too in there for real the Muslims over here

and that shit is just segregated you know what I'm saying I used to Be having to tell my friends, like, if I crash with your call, man, I'm going to stab your man. I don't like him. But you get out the way, though, you feel me? He's like, I'm going to crush your man, too. I'm like, damn, I ain't going to crush you, though.

And that was like a little barn. We had, like, a fake bond, like, to show I mess with you, like, feel me? Did being a blood and running with the blood to give you more protection, or did it put you in more danger? She put me in more danger because now it might be 30 of us on the yard, right? Now it's 29 other people besides me. That could get into something and we're going to go. We're going to have to crash out. So it was dangerous.

Because if it had to depend on just me, I was chilling most times till something transpired. Then it's, all, I got to work, you know what I'm going to? But overall, it's really, like, dangerous for real. Did you have a role, like, a title or anything? I know there's kind of a hierarchy or were you just a regular soldier? Like, I had the compound in a couple spots. I had a compound, in Macquarie, me and my son, had this shit over there.

And in Lewisburg, we had, I had the building, I'm saying? Because it was segregated over there because it's a smooth program. So we don't get to be around everybody. But I yell out the window like, yo, Ian, yo, yo, what's going on over there? You tell me I write you a kite, one, won't you write me a kite back, broom. Now I know what's going on. You know what's going on. We're talking to our little colds, whatever.

What does it mean to have the compound or the building? Having the compounders like you control your car in the whole prison. You call the shots, like a shot. call her. Do they still call it a shot caller in the bloods like that? They just be like he got the pound, that's what they say. He got the pound, he got the pound, he got the pound. You know what I'm saying? And sometimes now how the USPs is, it's like it split, like a lot of USPs is split. Like a got the red side, the blue side. So we'll never see the blue side. So what they'll do is like they got a shot collar for the blue side, got a shot color for the red side. We're never going to see each other. It's split. That's not even doing it a lot lately. Now is everything like say something is going to pop off? Is it before that even a

happens, do the heads, the people that hold the keys, they go and sit down and talk amongst themselves, or is it just blow up right away? Sometimes it be like they congregate and talk about it, and sometimes it just crash out, and you don't even know that it happened. I'm going to tell you this, though, the craziest shit I ever seen in the USP was in Lee County. I never forget this shit. This is the craziest shit I ever seen. So I'm in my man, Sarah.

Shee, vice lord. We in there smoking. Shout out my man, Vito. Vito, you know about this shit. You're about to watch this too, so shout out with Vito, man. We was in there smoking. So as we smoke a weed or whatever, he's like, yo, look out the window. When I look out the window, man, niggas is getting crushed all over the compound.

The D.C. car is running up the whole G.D. car. It's four on one, five on one, three on one. Everybody bleeding. They getting crunched. Them GD niggas got up out of there. That was the crazy shit because it all happened at once. It was like It wasn't no isolated situation

Was all over the compound The child haul This play They don't even know where to run There's so many Everybody here in the dudes It's like what the fuck Where we go

We're doing it Man it's everywhere Bitch pick a unit That shit was the craziest shit I ever seen Because there was so many people involved Now I'm saying Just looking out the window

You smoke a weed again high Like what the fuck on out there Nobody even knew about that They just popped the bottom on On Gidi You got rid of gangsters Discibly Niggas in Lee County

some shit. I don't even know what the fuck happened when you were in the US penitentiaries you're locked in your cell at night, right? Correct. Is that when you feel the safest? Like when those bars...

Hell yeah. Ain't nobody coming up here. I mean, you might have to beat your celly up any couple days or something like that depending on who it is. But outside of that, I'm chilling. I know nobody's coming to here.

Only when they can open this door right now is the CO. That's when you relax. I can take my sneakers off because, you know, you can't you can't have... walking around with no slippers and no shit like that. Like I'm going to the shower with my sneakers on or boots on.

When I'm going to the shower, it's another gang member in front of the shower holding it down while I'm in there because I got to put my slippers on in the shower. And that's the most vulnerable time while you're in jail. I got soap on my face, water in my face. I can't see nothing. I got a knife wrapped around my wrist. That's it.

I got my boxes on still just in case they do pop in there. I got my boxes on. We're ready to rumble anyway. We're going to shake. I got crocs on so that shit is I guess I can fight in them shit I never had to Nobody never tried me in the shower

Feel me But it's people It's game members in front Of the shower with knives And they're just protecting you They be like yo bro You got five minutes left bro Have you up

Like that shit get real like that People would be thinking It's exaggeration But it's really real What's going If you've been there You know If you haven't been there

You're like What the fuck is he talking about Did you ever see someone Actually get hit in the shower Hell yeah I seen a couple times times. My fucking stabbed

or screaming. Ah, you'll see you. Oh, chill. All that crazy goofy shit. Your stupid ass should have been talking crazy. And half of them wasn't even gang members

so. Ain't nobody in front of the shower. They just getting crunched. They don't even know it's going soap all in their face. They're running out. Shit, blood everywhere. I don't seen all that.

That's nothing. Why are those people targeted if they're not gang members? Because they be talking shit, so they be talking shit to the wrong type of people. You got to know who you're talking to. So it's provoked.

Exactly. It's always provoked? It's always. nine out ten times So you can be in, say, someone like me on one of those types of yards, not running with anyone, you make it? Oh, now you're running with somebody. Oh, you have to run with someone. Yeah, there ain't no, like you got

independent white boys. They got tri-state area in some calls. They got New York. They got, I don't even think. The CT guys used to run with New York in Jersey. It really is a tri-state, really. But you're picking a car. It ain't know you running by yourself. you're out of there

you get about of that spot they ain't jacking that when you were that shot caller type figure how much power did you have like what were you able to do was a typical day like every day is an incident it's some type of problem

he's stealing oh he did this oh he gambling debt he ain't pay this it was disciplinary on a regular motherfuckers was getting hands put on them in the cell regular basis that was like

the everyday thing like y'all two go over there just beat him up Oh, I got to talk to this guy right here, yo, hold up the top GD dude want me to come over there. I got going to GD sell with the Latin King said and talk to them one-on-one so this shit don't blow up to, yo, just keep it an isolated situation on the unit, man. Don't bring that shit to the yard.

I'm going to let my man get it on with your man. No knives, just hand for hand for hand combat. We're going to let him get it on for a minute. And then that shit is dead. Don't even bring that shit up. And then sometimes we come to agreement. Sometimes it's too big. And we got to bring it to the yard.

And we got to bring it to the yard. What was your relationship with the warden and the staff and that type of role? I never talked to none of them. Even as a shot caller, you don't deal with that? Like sometimes if a situation transpires, SIS will come. Be like, yo, they call you on a loud speaker of your manner, but you can't go holler at them by yourself. You got to bring members with you. So I might come to the SIS with like three or four other bloods and then we go holler at them right there.

Like, oh, now I just want you. Now, you want all of us because you can't talk to me without talking to them. And they're okay with that. Yeah, they ain't got no problem with that. I could come with my homies and tell them, yo, we need a meeting. Out in the yard, you need to bring the blue side out. And they're going to bring the blue side out just to keep shit under control. And what's the blue side?

No, I'm just using that as an example. Like, McCrary got yellow side and blue side. I was on the yellow side, but I want to talk to my homies on the blue side. So we go to SIS, like me and four of my other homies. Be like, yeah, we need a meeting real quick to make sure we're all on one page. And they crack the gate. Put us in the third yard because it's three yards. Put us in the third yard with a.

baseball field out and let us have to congregate and do the prison politics as long as there's no violence going on they're cool with it does following prison politics like the disciplinary stuff all of that you were just describing does that make your bid go faster yeah because like you've been in jail so you've been in prison it's a it's a daily routine every day that shit gets boring everything's repetitive it's boring wake up six in the morning brush my teeth after that go to the yard workout come back from the yard take that shit is boring sometimes sometimes you need a little spicy in your life just to i mean you be stressed out with the with you be trying to think about what's going on in the world with your girlfriend your kids your moms and whoever else know what i'm

saying that drew love it's just it's take my mind away from that that's why i got so many tattoos because it took me out of that space i just go up under the gun half my day over once i come off this gun i got a neck tat i'll come out take a shout out take a shout out with my day changed up. So it was cool. I ain't really mind that. It's just the petty stuff out. It'd be annoying.

Like, it's, like, all this bickering, like little girl shit. What you want to do with him? You keep telling me about this motherfucker? You want to get it on with him? What you want to do? Tell me what you're trying to do because I don't understand

what you keep telling me about this nigga for. A matter of fact, hold on. Hey, yo, come here. He keeps talking about you. What's you trying to do? Oh, well, you put me on a spot like that. Because you keep talking. That's bitch shit.

That's female shit. We don't do that in the penitentiary. Politics is, politics, but we're doing that shit by law. Like, right and right and wrong is wrong. Period. If he's my homie and he wrong, we're going to discipline him. Now, if we don't want us to discipline him and your man want to see him, we're going to crash out

because you ain't touching him. And we're not going to touch one of yours. You're going to pop it off. That's how it's going to go. How does someone become the head of the car? Really, a lot of times it would be a bunch of experience, the spot you've been to, how much work you put in. And the people that's on the yard, they really vote you into that.

Like, you just, like, he got thrown to me. Like, I was already influential. And half of the y'all was under my set. So it was like, well, why not him have it? Why he don't have it then? And that's how that shit even came about like that. So I didn't even want it. I was chosen out that shit.

Like, yo, you just take that. Is there a lot of jealousy people out to get you within your own crew? Yeah, you got, it's always going to be riding apples in a bunch, I'm saying? It's always going to be that regardless, even in the streets. Same shit. Same politics. But in the fairs, yeah, this guy, motherfuckers like, yo, he think he did shit, because he's that,

he got one time to jump out there, I'm gonna stabbing his face, like. Because I don't see him, motherfucker, when we're sitting down, say you come up to us, right? Like, hey, y'all, I'm Ian. I'm from CT, Ru-Roo, I just came over here and shake our hands and shit. As soon as you walk off, like, I ain't like that, Nicky, man. You see how you shook my hand? Stabbed the shit out of Ian when I'm saying.

All for that. All for that. He's miserable. He got 44 years. He's just miserable. He don't got nothing. going for himself, his family forgot about him, and you got

a bunch of these type of people in there. That's miserable. Don't got nothing else to do, but put hits out on people and just talk shit about people all day long. It's really like that. Got lifers in there, six life sentences, seven lives in a lot. So, how would you take that?

Like, I used to tell him, like, you know, stop putting me in a cell with lifers because I don't know how he's going to wake up in the morning. That ass. Like, I had a couple lifers that was my bunbunkeys before And they, they like bipolar with that shit. Like, one day they're cool. One day they don't want to talk.

And it ain't even about being scared. It's about what I'm going to do to you, too. Because I got a knife, too. And I know how to use that shit. And I got a thousand shots for stabbing, niggas. So we're going to do the same shit. But it's like, I don't want to keep putting myself in that predicament because I don't got life.

I want to go home too. I got kids. For me? But I got to do what I got to do. I'm not going to let nobody just do anything to me. And that's the bottom line to that. So at the end of the day, it's definitely jealousy in there. It's definitely people that's envious.

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20 years? I feel like a lifer has nothing to lose. So they're going to, they'll do, they'll stab someone, they'll do things like that. Yeah. I mean, 20 years is a lot of time too, though. That's two decades. But the person still has an out date. Unless they mess it up.

Yeah. Because I don't see people turn 20 years and two life sentences. Like, damn, he crying in the box. You know, I mean he to kill him, Man, nigga, you're done. Cop out the natural life. You got a court in the act.

And the USPS cameras everywhere. It's like, you might got a blind spot here and there, but it's slim to none the chances of that. You feel me what I'm saying? It's cameras everywhere you go. It's metal detectors

everywhere you walk out of. I ain't walking around with no metal. I got, I got even stainless steel on me. I got copper on me. I got plexiglass. I got something like that. That's how I'm walking around. the whole jail.

How often are people getting charged for stabbings? They don't even, I'm gonna be honest with you. That USP shit, they look at that shit. Like, man, you're just, we're gonna give you box time. I stabbed somebody.

I was in the box for three weeks and came right up. For stabbing somebody. I had a 104 and a 201. He had a punctual wound. I got this shit right here. You got a punctual wounds in his face. Three weeks.

Came right out that shit. Why do you think they don't charge people for something like that? Because it's so much of it going on. It's like, the box stay packed what you're going to do you're going to keep clearing it out

everybody got to say half of these people got it got discharged how are you going to clear that up and people coming in there every day frequently for the same shit what would you say the majority of the people are in solitary for the box knives

in the USP right yeah in the USP knives stabbers a lot of times like if The car crash, two cars crashed, they'll take the littlest car and ship them and keep the biggest car in the yard. So you got a whole, like you got 30, 40 people who has Paisas or whatever the fuck in the box.

See, when I, like, I'm going to tell you, you want to hear a funny story? Yeah. So we went to USP Big Sandy, right? This is my first day going there, whatever. We get off the bus. We're in R&D. Do you know that if 40 of us came on the bus, right? Do you know that only 10 of us went on the compound

And 30 motherfuckers checked in? Why'd they check in? All them was chomoles, hot niggas, everything. They're like, I'm not going on that compound. You're crazy, man. I'm going to die out there. Because you got to, they're making people sign a piece of paper. Like a waiver?

Like, oh, yo, if you ain't tell, you ain't did this sign this right here, we're going to let you out in the compound. It's the captain. He's like, I go to Captain Review anyway, so I don't go directly on the Y'all. I got to go to Captain Review. I'll be in the box for like three days and then you let me out. You know what I'm saying?

Captain want to come to my door Talk all this stupid shit Y'all don't start no problems In my compound There's that all this stupid ass shit They be saying But they give you a wave Like yo did you tell on somebody

If you told Do not please do not come out Because we're gonna be picking you up In a helicopter So why does the prison system Even assign these individuals there Like shouldn't they know better than this? I think that it's a game to them

Like them people that work in Grand Prairie I think that shit is a joke Like let's put this choma over here Because they know what the fuck going on these prisons? I mean, if you have their actual staff saying you can't walk the yard and they were sent there by corporate, if you think about it, if you look at it as like the

lieutenant or the captain is like the general manager and then Grand Prairie who does all the designation is like the corporate, you know, corporate offices. They don't care. And they're assigning a new manager there in a way or a new employee. Correct. They don't care. I think it's a joke to them.

They know your charges. What he got? Petafel. Fucking send them to Baltimore, Texas. So do you think the government is responsible then for a lot of the violence that goes on in these penitentiaries? Hell yeah, because they limit a lot of things. Like, I ain't go out when I went to Florence, Colorado. They limited to two phones for all of us.

Two phones. The white guys, the A.Bs and shit, they didn't even want to get on the phone that a black person touched. That's how race is there. They was like, we're not getting on the phone. You got to get us another phone. They went and ran down on the warden. About 15 deep. you got to bring another phone to the unit.

You got the blacks all on the phone. Are you spitting the saliva's on the phone? I don't want to get on the phone. I feel uncomfortable doing that. The warning came to the unit like, man, listen, is two more phones going to be calming this unit down? Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're all in the box, though.

We're in a smooth program. We're at level three and four at the time. Monefuck got a swat stick on his forehead. I'm seeing shit I've never seen before. Like, I'm not even accustomed to that. Not that that shit scared me because that shit ain't enough. He bleeds just like I bleed. That's how I be thinking.

So it was like, I just got to probably pop in first because I don't know how he's giving it up. But he has shot calling for him, so he got to have some type of status. So it just be like that. It's just like weird shit like that. Yeah, what do you think about those guys covered in swastikas and racist tattoos? I mean, I don't judge nobody. It is what it is.

Like, you see how you got all those swastikas? I got all this gang shit on me. So it's the same shit. How are you looking at me? I'm looking at you. Like, I respect you representing what you are. So do you not take it in a racist way then? Nah.

that's what you believe in that's what you like you tell me why you throw the beer because I believe in blood or we ain't get a swat sticker because I believe my white pride I respect that I don't look at it like it's racist but if you jump out a line I'm gonna crush you and that's how that shit goes it's a thin line right there that's it's respect all right that's it keep moving so do the black bloods feel the same way I don't know I never asked them but they run with you guys so if there's an issue

with that we all crashing yeah but I'm saying I don't know about if they saying it's racist or whatever like that because we For real, we don't even talk to them or be with them. And beef doesn't start over racism, right? Not necessarily. It can. Depending on the situation. Every situation is different.

Some is more delicate than others. Some is really, we can't even stop it. Sometimes we could pile a ticket to where it calmed down a little bit. Like, ah, yo, him and him. They're going to get it on in the bathroom after this is dead. Like shit like that. You'll go knife for knife. Usually a lot of times in the penitentiary, all that,

Fish fighting shit is out the window. I'm gonna keep it real with you. Niggas ain't fighting. They stabbing the shit out of you, hitting you with that lock. They want you out of there. A lock that the government sells on commissary. Absolutely.

I don't understand it. They sell all the weapons, the government. They know what they're doing. They know exactly what they're doing, man. The BOP knows what they're doing. Why are they putting a lock on the commissary in a penitentiary? I have no fucking clue. I mean, it's already violent enough.

No one's going to steal from any. unless they want to get whacked. Like stealing is, I mean it happens. Don't get it twisted because you got motherfuckers that's just coming into the system, don't know no better or whatever. But a lot of times though, that stealing shit is unheard of really.

Like, motherfuckers ain't going to your cell. Because there's so many eyes watching you just went into your cell like, yo, Ian, Ian just went in your cell. Like, what? Ian, come here, what the fuck, you went to myself? I'm going to get a rice. Like, you know what I'm saying? So somebody going to tell me that you win to myself.

It's always somebody watching. There's so many people. You know how the units are? four dicks when you were using four dicks right how many fucking people was on the unit in four dicks it's 2,500 each time i mean there's 12 man rooms and people don't want to walk into a room without you know knocking and then and also checking to see the room um but i guess a good thing about 12 man rooms is there's usually always someone in there so we'd like if there was like a guy that was always reading in there or was a home body in the room because then you would know your shit's

secure for the day absolutely i see what i used to do is i used to leave my stuff a certain type of way. So if somebody touched it, I can notice the difference. I ain't leave it like that. Or something will fall. Like, I leave it to where if somebody touches something or fall, so I know that you're not going to put it back exactly how I left it. So I know, like, a lot of times I never even had no,

I had a lock for other uses, not for a locker. I'm saying? So I just bought that for that. Yeah, because it gets to be a pain in the ass to just keep undoing the code and stuff. Like most of the people, especially at the camp or the low, they were just keep it unlocked. but it is easy to take from people. If you think about it, you just walk in and say,

hey, so-and-so said I could grab a chili and beans or a ramen or something, you know, and it adds up. What kind of meals are you used to making it? My bunkey made a really good chili over rice and summer sausage in it. And then when I got to the camp, that's when I had the really good meals. My bunkey was making like this, we called it Benihana's fried rice, BLT pizzas. Oh, yeah, the pizzas be fired. On the tortillas.

Yeah, that would be fire. You dip them in water to put the crust. We got to roll them on the corners for the crust. Put his own on the crust to give it some flavor. Cheese crust. Yeah, we had that and we'd steal the fresh moths out of the bakery. So when you was in the camp, he was getting street stuff, right? Yeah, we were eating one weekend.

We had Peruvian, we had a little Mexican spread one time, like literally limes, tacos, like tens of food smuggled in. One of my bunkeys, one of the other guys there used to be a dealer for the cartel and he had all the connects. when he would only bring in a bag like once every couple months. But when he did it, it was an all-out affair. Ten garbage bags. And one would always be like whatever we were eating. So it would be either the Chicago beef subs, you know, the famous hot Italian subs with the jar-and-air on it. Or we would do the, you know, fast food or the Mexican.

We would all decide on what we wanted to eat. And then everything else would be clothes. They were sneaking in microwave parts if the microwave burnt out to replace that glasses. Shoes, protein powder, workout stuff, literally everything. We had everything there. I was just getting drunk like, you see this bottle right here? I had that in there. Same shit like this.

I'm saying on my bunk like this. Drinking this shit just like this. Yeah, I think that was the first big realization I had when I went from the low of the camp because in the low, you know, they'd have cell phones and drugs. But they don't, they're not, they're not sneaking in liquor or anything. But at the camp, guys are walking around casually. How much was the phone over there? At the Fort Dix.

Yeah. Fort Dix. At that time, on the cheapest phone you could find was like $800 to $1,000 on the low end. Then they range all the way to $2,500. But the compound was starting to dry up a little bit so prices were going up. I got to the camp. They're $200 bucks a pop. At $200 bucks a pop, you should not be getting caught.

You throw that shit. I don't do a fuck. I'll buy another one tomorrow. Exactly. But at $800 or $1,000, it's a little more expensive. But I remember seeing new guys would come on. They'd buy it, get popped, and go and buy another one. In a low?

it was uh 3,000 for one it's crazy my man told me in the spotter he was at it was in West Virginia he said it was 10,000 for the phone 5,000 for the charger he ain't a medium Yeah the higher up you go the more expensive

Now let me tell you this And all the time I've been in the pen century behind that door I never seen the cell phone Never ever Why do you think that was Because the security is so crazy in that shit right Just for the CO to get in this is a a mission.

Now, I've seen COs fucking having sex or shit like that. With the inmates. Yeah, secretaries leaving panties in yourself. I've seen shit like that. That's a fact. My man actually got one of the secretaries pregnant, and she got walked off the yard. And her husband was a captain there.

He was embarrassed. Red's stupid-looking motherfucker, right? Out of shape, looking crazy. His wife was getting fucked. She got pregnant by the inmate. He walked her right off the yard. I used to flirt. I only had one shorty one time in Louisbourg.

But I couldn't do that well because I was in a box. We used to write each other letters. She sent a letter like, when they kind of get the mail up under the door, she'll slide a letter up under the door like, that's for you. Look, she got a lipstick mark, kiss on there. I ain't never get to smell her paintings or those shit like that. She was a guard.

She was a new. She was a rookie, too. Had her. I was talking on the crack of the door. She used to always tip your toe over me to see what my cellie was doing. I'd be like, act like you sleep. She's coming. But don't the other guys snitch on you, especially in the shoe?

So what I used to do was this is how I used to get around there, right? For one, I talked to her after 12 midnight because she's doing the graveyard shift. What I do is in Lewisburg on the tier, they got big-ass fans. You know, them loud-ass fans? I tell her cut that shit on while we're talking. So they can't hear what the fuck we talk about. And I'm at the crack of the door talking to like, yeah. So she never wanted to pop the door for you?

She can't. The cameras is on the tier. So they didn't see her just talking to you? Yeah, but I could be saying anything. They don't know what the fuck you're saying I can have her at the door half an hour

she'd be like let me get off the door let me spend I'll come back What do you think attracted her to you My tattoos That's what she said

I was doing burpees in my cell One day She's seen all my tattoo She's like Oh my god You're tatty I'm like Yo what's up

Let me holler at you She was like some little Like little Ha'assaddy joined from Pittsburgh or some shit like that She was from PA A little chunky

Italian chick She was cool as hair Or I had her I mean, she used to give me extra trades. She used to do my laundry first, bring it back. My, my mail, I'd be the first one to get mail on the tier. Motherfuckers used to ask me like, what's the son?

When it's wreck time, she come get me, she don't go to north of herself. She can't cover me sometimes. But you could have had a guy with that tattoos anywhere in the world on the street. I don't know. Maybe, I don't know what was their Bronx swag. What's going on? I don't know what she wanted, man. She wanted something, though.

I had her number and everything. I hit it when I came out. Now, all these different penitentiaries you went to, that was all through the the course of this eight year bid. Yeah, that was through the eight years. When I came, I was home, I came home in August 1st, 2014 off that eight years. Out of the 100, out of the 100, out of the 100. How much were you supposed to do?

I was supposed to came home in 2012. I ain't come home to 2014. So you lost two years a good time? Yeah, I only had four months left on the back end. And that didn't bother you at all? Yeah, I was embarrassed. I never told my family that. That's embarrassing.

How am I tell my son that shit like, you? I was just being an idiot in jail. hell. That's why I ain't come home to you. But why didn't you think about it in the moment? Because it was so much shit going on it. And it was just like, it was just overwhelming at the time. Like, only time I really got to sit down and think.

And when I get up in the cell, I'm going to sleep. I don't, that's the only time to think, though. Because nine or ten times you're in the yard. You're in a child hall. You're in the gym. You're over here in the law library. You everywhere. So it's like, I had no time to sit down to think for myself.

Like, it's not like I can go outside right now to a pond or a lake and be sitting there like, like, man. Fuck his life. about I can't do that. There's so much going on. Then I go on my cell, my cellie went running his mouth. If I have a cellie,

if now I'm going to sleep right there. That's shit. It's like, but now that I look at it, I was like, I was embarrassed to even tell people that. Like, that shit was embarrassing. So you come home in 2014 on that?

What happens? Came on August 1st, 2014, went to the halfway house in the Bronx, whatever like that. I was doing good for a little while. I had a job, whatever. Then I went right back into the street shit. After a while,

bills was paling up. I had, I was getting, I was about to have a daughter. It's a brother to be my second kid. I was like, damn, I just jumped out there. My code D for this case right here. What I'm saying? His phone was tapped.

So I had dropped them off one day. And they ran my plates. I didn't even know the fares was watching him. You know me? He was already under investigation the whole time. And they ran my plates to my car, to my bins. And when they ran the place to my bins, They seen I was on federal papers.

They called my PO. My PO liked me, though. I'm saying? So she was like, she called my phone one day. She was like, yo, Mr. Menda, what you doing? I'm like, I'm at work right now. She was like, yo, listen, whatever you're doing right now, you need to stop doing that shit because your name got ran.

I was like, what you mean? I ain't doing nothing. She was like, yo, listen, your name not getting ran for no reason. If you're in the streets, get the fuck out the streets right now because you're about to be on the investigation. I hung up the phone on me. So boom, I'm like, what the thing? the fuck and it proved true because I get pulled over one day on the side of the high rate this

before the weed was legal this was like 2015 no this was 2016 the dude say you smell weed in the car he lied but I got weed in the trunk though I had two pounds of weed in the trunk know what I'm saying but they couldn't find it it was in a stash so the only thing they could smell it a little bit so I had a little clip inside the ashtray whatever so they was like they bringing the dogs. So I was like, all right, I'm with my man, with my right hand. So we're sitting there. He on paper suit.

We're sitting there. I'm like, damn, we're going back to jail right now. The Chinese officer came back over there. He was like, yo, go to the gas station down the block, get you some munchies and shit like that. And don't let me catch you on the highway no more. Here's your ID. Have a nice day. He went from getting the dogs to have a nice day.

That's how I knew I was on the investigation. With the feds. So what were you doing with this guy? Selling drugs, picking up from your Cody? No, I just dropped them off to wherever he was going. I don't even know what the fuck he was going. He's like, I need a ride. He didn't have a car at the time.

So why would they be interested in you? I don't know, but I know as time went on, I guess we all got intertwined into some tangled web. And I just started selling drugs again as time went on myself. With him? No, without him. Okay. But the people that, they was all intertwined with each other.

So the lady that was in our case, she was working for the feds to get her husband home. And that's how I got in the twine. So she was like she got, she always used to try to warn me, but I never paid attention to the signs. Because if I would have sex with her, the feds couldn't even fuck with me. That was a breach of their shit. I never caught on to what she was saying. She like, come sleep with me, come do this. I never paid attention to her.

She had crackhead. What the fuck I'm not paying attention to her. I'm not looking at you like that, shoddy. Got saggy tities and shit like that. I'm not attractive. to you mind. You feel me? And it went down here. Once they read my place and my P.O. knew about that. Probably like six months later, they came, kicked my daughter. Why they kicked my daughter and they kicked my Cody's door down. It's just me and him on the case. He got eight years.

I got nine years. What do you get picked up for? Distribution of heroin and another gun. Another gun. My judge went crazy. Did you go to the same judge you had the first time? No, hell no. Because the first one I got, remember I got caught up in Utica and they sent me to Syracuse. That's where I was getting sent to Syracuse. This one I got in the Southern District. Why are you still messing with a gun? I always had a gun at the time, man. I was into so much shit at them times. I just came home from the penitentiary. That shit kind of like traumatized me a little bit.

That shit had me with ADHD. Like I had problems. Like, you know what? I noticed like a lot of people out here in the society, they don't realize what that shit does see your brain in there. Like the stuff we've been through, the stuff we've seen, the stuff we've ate. Just our experience in general. Like, people don't know, like, mental health is a real thing for us, you feel me? Like when you used to be in a box, you used to sit down like, damn, what the fuck am I doing here? Bro, that thing can mess you up those first like 20 minutes just being in there. You feel claustrophobic.

I did three years in the box. Three years straight. From 2009 to 2012, I was in a box. I mean, I think the thing with the box is they need to separate the people that are doing the stabbings that are violence. I don't think they should go to the box for a cell phone or something. I think that's silly. But if someone's violent, yeah. I mean, or they should do something, you know, or put it in something, take away privileges.

If you got pop with a cell phone. The violence, the stabbing, yes, you got to separate them, but I don't know if you necessarily put them in a four by four or five by five, you know, room, put them in a separate area that's bigger. You could walk around, maybe like a circle. I don't know, something that's bigger. I think those cells are too small. Like, I imagine, like, what we were talking about with Oklahoma City, like that.

That tank? Yeah, a tank like that with a few people. Have some bunk beds or something. You got to make it bigger. It's too small, you know? That shit is, that shit. It's way too small. I definitely felt claustlephobic a couple times and that shit.

Like, damn, being in there for so many years, you're like, what the fuck? I'm looking at every time the door crack, I'm trying to see one on the tea. I got the mirror right here. That shit was proficient every day. It messes with you. So you get arrested again by the feds, no more than a year after getting out. No, I was home for, I was home for 25 months. Oh, you were home for two years.

But the investigation started within... Within the last year of me being home. home like 2016. Okay. I was home. I came home August 1st, 2014. I got arrested September 15, 2016. And you already knew what type of time it was that you were going back to the defense?

I thought I was going back to Macquarie. That's why I went home from USP Macquarie and Pine Nau, Kentucky. That's what I thought I was going. Oh, why didn't they send you there? I don't know. I guess for me being home for them two years, my points dropped. Oh. I didn't know that.

So you didn't go to a pen? I didn't go to a pen. I went right to a medium. Oh, did you turn a certain age maybe? Oh, yeah, the age, the age, yeah. I think they drop it. Because I was 30 already. Okay.

So that probably helped too. A couple, I have got my GED that helps. I'm saying? A couple of things. I've been out of trouble for two years, whatever. Did you just take a plea deal, didn't bother fighting it?

I was trying to, listen, I was trying to cop out the 15 off the writ. As soon as they put handcuffs on me. I'm like, let me get 15. Right now, I take 15, 180 months. Let me get that. My lawyer's like, why don't you take 15 years?

You don't even know what the fuck they got on you. I was like, miss, I just got locked up for this shit. The judge going to shut. smoked me. I'm on federal paper still. She was like, no, we're going to knock it down. She came one day to myself. She came to visit me in the county. She said,

um, yo, listen, I'm going to get you 100 or 8 months. You take that? I'm counting that to my head. Like 108 my hair? Yeah, that's nine years. Let me get that. Well, I saw that. She was like, let me go, we're going to do a plea hearing and you're going to cop out to 100 or 8 months.

That was your mindset different this time, the second time around where you want that good time? Yeah, my mindset different because I already got a name now. So I'm coming back mad motherfuckers nobody already. I've been to fucking seven prisons already at this time. You feel me? I've been to 11 institutions overall,

but six of them was penitentiaries at that first bid. When you got out that first time, was there a part of you that thought that you were going to go back to prison because you were getting back into selling drugs? Yeah, I had an idea that I was coming back to prison due to the fact that I didn't have no goals and, like, aspirations when I came home

because I had no time to sit down like I did now. Like, you see, I got the book now. I got the clothing now. I do the music. We do shows. I came home with a different mindset. I had put plans in the motion now.

So, like, I'm really doing this. Like, to sit down and look at somebody with my book over there is like, wow. You feel what I'm saying? To sit down, I'm wearing my clothes on fly. People calling me ordering clothes. Like, that's something official to me. Because I feel like at the end of the day, only a drug dealer sell drugs. A hustler can hustle anything.

You know how it is in prison. and you see people hustling pieces. Yo, a book, you get this. You know, we got brownies right here. Five stamps. You know, that's hustlers. Don't make anything. Hot meals, cold meals, burrito.

Anything. Yeah. There's a hustle for literally anything. Anything you can think of as a hustle. Soing. Yeah. Fixing radios. You name it, they got it.

So I was, in my mind, that's what really had me thinking like, oh, damn, I can hustle a lot of shit in the streets. I just got to had a resource, which I do. I know a lot of people. I can sit here and say I bumped into a lot of people that was legendary throughout my bids like boy George like legendary names Supreme

Willie Falcone Matter of fact You know this guy right here This an old mob guy, he just died He just passed away Rest of peace The oldest mobster that was in prison

Frank White The one they made the movie King of New York about I don't know I know there was like this older guy though Him right here. Nah, I don't know. If you look him up,

you're going to see, you're going to see, you're going to talk about his name, Mark Ryder. Okay. Like, I've been around all of them all dudes. They love me. Like, they be feeling like, if you don't take what I gave you, they feel disrespected.

Like, hey, take this slice of pieces, man. Like, now I'm good. They're like, what do you mean? Like, it's disrespectful to them. Like, they're good dudes, man. I've been around a lot of legendary people, man. That kind of molded me into who I am too now. Like, I took a little bit from him,

a little bit from him, a little bit from him. A little bit from him. and put the gumbo together and made me. So did you stay out of trouble that second bid? Yeah, I probably had. Let me see. I hit the dude over the head with a chair. My fucking punch throwing my homie in the cell.

One dude, he gave me a run for my money. I ain't going to front. That's how I knew how to get back in the fighting because I was like, then, he gave me a run for this one. Like, I had him. I slapped the Jewish dude. I had like five incidents my whole bid this time. That was like once a year, like probably.

It's a pretty good record for you. Yeah, because the last. one in my PSI was talking crazy about me at that last one and I was I'm more mature plus I had another had another kid too I added to my audition which my daughter she kind of like changed me up a little bit like give me a different mentality how did it feel being in prison that second time I was hurt from your kids yeah I was crushed that second son because now I understood with being a father consistent of you understand what I'm saying so I understood the impact of me not being in my son life like

I just seen my son graduate last Friday, like, to go to college. Like, I was, like, fucked up behind that. Like, then, he was crying. Like, yo, dad, you hear for this. Like, that's a major milestone. He kept talking about, like, I got my mom, my dad here. My mom and my dad here. Like, I miss so many milestones of him, like, from playing baseball.

I feel fucked up about that. Like, every time he asked me for something now, I never tell him no. I feel like I'm obligated to give him this shit. Like, I feel like, damn miss so much he a lot. He's 19 years old. I did 15 years, so do the math. How long I've been out of his life? A lot.

Four years in his life. My daughter's young, so I got her good. I got a good age. She's 10. She had a good age right now. Both with the same woman? Relax and let Ralph's delivery handle your grocery shopping this week. We start with only the freshest items.

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Yeah, thank you. I appreciate it. Did the mom stick by you those 15 years? Hell no. You know they ain't doing that. They say once you get cuffed, you feel me? That's how that's going. They can lie that.

I'll be telling them, your baby, tell me all the lies. When I call, I'd be like, you tell me a good lie, baby, because I know it's a lie. You feel me? I know you ain't telling me that you. You're sitting here telling me for eight years, you've got your leg slows. Come on. Who's doing that? You ain't in jail.

You're out here in the streets in the free world. And you look good, so it's a lot of people going to be hollering at you. They're going to be trying to tell, yo, Shorty, what's up? Oh, my man in print. They ain't trying to hear that shit. You think somebody's going to be loyal. Like this last mid, I was married, right? Shorty left me in my bin in four years out of the joint.

You were married before you got into prison No, I got married in a federal institution How did you meet her? I met her when I came home from that 2014 bid Oh, and then she was with you talking You and you guys got married when you were in prison When I was in prison She was like, that's the only way I'm going to ride the bid with you

She left me during the bed married Like took an oath and left Well, you guys never really should have got married Yeah, I guess this was her mentality Like, that's the only way I'm going to ride the bid with you Like, you feel me? So I was like, all right, cool copy, whatever Listen, I don't blame people that leave their mans when the guy

gets arrested or vice versa You know, I just, you didn't sign up for that unless you guys both agreed to get into the crime together and one of you got popped and the other didn't, you know? You know what I disagree with though? If you knew I was in the streets, right, getting money or whatever, and you always had your handout and you was spending my money with me, I think you should ride with me. No, that's different. I'm saying like if someone gets into a relationship with someone and then they get into crime, that person gets into crime midway through the marriage, like these, a lot of the fraud cases and stuff. I don't think you're obligated to stay with that person. No.

I can, I give you props if you do. I mean, if the guy only's got a year, you could do that, you know? That's nothing. You know, the guy's a million. Yeah, I think you could ride that, you know, but. How much you did? You did three, right? Yeah, three years, 27 months.

No girl. You know that about it, about 27 months. You know that off the rip. Yeah, but it felt like forever, man. Those first three months, I always say were the worst. What, you said you went to, you went to OKC? I was in, I went to, I went to, a bunch of spots. I was in from, you know,

Wyatt, the private place to Brooklyn. Oh, you went to MDC Brooklyn? I was there. I was there a shit hole. I was there a few times. Then to Fort Dix, Philly, Danbury, Oklahoma City, Chicago, and then Oxford, Wisconsin. The Oxford, Wisconsin, shit, my man just left there. That was sweet. They closed the camp down, though.

They closed the camp down? Yeah, because they're making the medium a low, I guess. And then he went to, they left Oxford, Wisconsin and went to, what's the other one where they had the other smooth program out that was up there in Illinois's? It's another place. Thompson? Yeah, I think so. That's where he just left right now.

He went from Oxford to Thompson. And then he went to, he in Pennsylvania right now, not McKean. He had, um, no, McDow was in West Virginia? What's the average shit called him?

M.P.A. He and that shit, though, I don't know. Allen, Allenwood? No, not Allenwood. It's another one, some weird shit. Is it McKin? No, McKean? No, it ain't been to it.

Did you stay in media? the whole time that last bid? This one right here I just came home from? No, I went to, I went to schoolkill, FCI. FCI school killed in Pennsylvania. I stood there for like 17 months. My points dropped. I went to fucking Allenwood Low, Chomo City.

You hear me? We was disrespecting them niggins in there, slapping the shit out of them, taking all their commissary, choking them out, making them buy me shit you'll call your wife and tell her fucking put $100 on my account and we had the phone over there at the time

what I'm saying yo call your wife right here here put here can I use the phone no choice was using that phone you ain't about to be using child pornography on my fucking phone you know they had they caught a case they caught a raid you heard about that

right for a dick's yeah you know what happened I was there when that happened but they put me in the shoe with one of the ringleaders in Philly what? Because they always put me with the chomo so they So the F, what happened was during that raid, this was in 2017, they were

selling child pornography out of the library. There was like six of them on an iPad. Yeah, they were running this whole ring. They had a business. FBI sends in an undercover inmate there. So anyways, one day, because this is my first time ever having a raid done, my bunky and everyone was like,

yeah, it's just your standard once a quarter, they dumped the buildings, and they toss them up. but no one's buildings were getting tossed except for one building on the east side and they had them all out then we saw dogs we saw a SWAT team we're like oh this is more than a raid they were walking around with guns everything like this was big

we were locked on the compound everyone was locked in their buildings you know it's a military spot yeah they had the whole SWAT team everything dogs so we're like something's up then we read about it in the news that day right and he picked them up so that goes on and then a few months later like I'm popped on the phone go to the shoot I'm in Philly. I get put in with this white guy. Guy doesn't say he's a chomo,

nothing. I'm with him for like six weeks because I got stuck in there with him. One day he goes to the, to wreck, and I didn't go to wreck, and I saw his papers, and I was reading his papers.

I was like, holy shit, this is the guy, one of the guys. The guy ended up getting, so I know that had guys on the case, they were already finishing, they were serving like 15 years.

They got whack with another 20 or 25. This guy had a year left on his first sentence for six years, for a child, pornography case. That was his first sentence. And then, you know, they do the whole, I accidentally clicked on it, on the computer, this and that. That's their favorite line. That's their favorite line. Whenever I'm on the computer, I don't want to accidentally click on something. And then you got to realize, well, they actually deliberately

search and download. Anyways, you're typing that shit in the bar. I found out when I searched him up, because I got transferred right after in transit. I searched him up. The guy got another We're on the law library? No, I searched him on the phone. I got to the camp. He got another 15 years. Guy had two months or a year left on a sentence He got 15 years Fresh for being a part of that But he didn't tell me nothing He just said he was a man of God

He was beating around the bush I had no idea this was the guy So that's what happened They were all having meetings All the guys on the case would go out to wreck Because they were all in the Philly shoe together And they had meetings to talk about their case Oh so they shipped all them at the same time

Yeah there were six of them They were all in Philly Which was weird that they were all in the same case And they put them in the same thing Usually they separate motherfuckers Yeah I guess I don't know what happened, but yeah, they all got a shitloaded time, but that was that, that ring in

2017. I remember that? Yeah, it was crazy. 2017, what the fuck I was at? I was a school kid FCI. I was in the medium. Yeah, that was the... I heard about that.

That's how I knew. I'm like, damn, what the fuck happened over there for a dick? Shom was have a good life, though, and Fort Dix. Nothing happens. They didn't fuck around. No one messes with them at Fort Dix. What, they be going to tell the people? Yeah, I mean, there's just so many of them, you know?

I heard. And they do business with them, too. Like they have hustles. They have businesses. Oh, you should be taking these shit like, yo, draw my people right here. Like draw portraits? Yeah. He'd be like, yo, that's five max.

Man, shut the fuck up. I know guys would do that. Yeah. And Danbury, I was in the shoe with this. There was a lot of them in Denver. Danbury is a small compound, though. A lot of sex offenders. But I was with this Jewish kid who was a sex offender.

You would never know he's one because he had so much pull, so much power. Because they were getting product in through the rabbi. Oh. Oh, sure. Yeah, because the rabbi could come in. They bring food and they put the phones in the food and he, you know, crazy. Oh, they had a whole gig going on. Had a whole gig.

Then the rabbi got popped off the yard and these guys were all in the shoe. They ended up being the case. I bet you he didn't get arrested, though. No, it didn't get arrested because they didn't have the evidence. The rabbi got put on perimeter and then the guy ended up getting released. And I think they maybe fired the rabbi. I don't know, but I know the guy got released when I was there. So he was clear, but he was in the shoe under investigation for like six.

months. Those investigations are brutal. You know they could keep after that six months they can renew it again. Oh, they can't. I was in the shoe with one guy that was in there for going on two years for an investigation because he was sleeping with the CEO. I was in the cell with him. He was getting letters from this guard who was still working the compound. She was writing him different address and stuff and he was like, hey, this, because at that point we built up enough trust. He would always deny it. It was just a rumor. But yeah, he eventually, he was like, he was like this is what was happening different address everything they'd talk in code because they were trying to jam this guy up they were convinced and they wanted him to flip so they put him in the

shoe for that long and not because he was in trouble but because they wanted to catch the guard because it's always the guard's fault never the inmates you know what's the craziest shit i've seen with the system it was this one white guy right he used to work for the government he was in oklahoma with me he was in a box he was my neighbor used to talk to him through the vent he said he never got since he went in the feds for nine years. Don't even got a number of nothing. He says family can't find him. He don't got no property. I was like, what the fuck?

What the fuck? You was that area 51? You leaked some shit? He was like, man, it was a long story. They killed his family. Some crazy shit. I was like, he was like, I'm just lost in the system. It's crazy.

He said he'd be going on airplanes. They send him to Cali and bring him right back to Oklahoma again. He'd go over here, sending him right back to Oklahoma again. Like, what the fuck? Oh, he sent me to Atlanta too. I'm like, yo, I know. never seen. He got lost in the system. White guy, I've never seen that before.

Was it hard for you to do adjust from going the penitentiary all those years to a low and camp? Oh, my. I gave so many people a pass, yo. I was checking them. Like, I might pull them up, you know, bring them into the cube or something. Yo, don't do that again. I'm going to smack the shit out of you. I should do that.

I'm going to keep it real with you. In the low, they were scared of death of me. I'm going to keep it real with you. I'd be scared of you. Anybody that's been over there, no, like, yo, I just take my shirt off. I got gang tats everywhere on my body They're like, man, leave him alone, man Yo, shh-sh-shh-shh

Yo, get the fuck about that seat What the fuck is you even sitting in the TV room for? I had the tumult all the in the back With no chair They were sitting on the fucking On the, they had the little, like, stools in Allenwood You know, bring that shit out to your cubby and sit back there, nigga, you ain't sitting in front of here

You got to squint, I want you to squint You ain't be comfortable up in here If you touch your motherfuck granddaughter or some shit Fuck out of here You said, yo, that shit used to be fun That was my big beating them up. I ain't going to lie. Just slapping him in the back of the head.

Yo, what's up with you, Larry? What's up? Smack him. Yo, come on. Let me go to yourself. What you got? You went to commissary? And I ain't fucked up where.

I got to take your shit. I'm just doing it because of your case. Like, they had this one guy he was in there. He looked like Joe Dirt, right? I think he was from like either PA or West Virginia or somewhere in that area or whatever. All his shit was missing. He had the long, stupid shit. So I asked him when he had 20 years.

I was like, yo, what you were in jail for you? I don't want to talk about it. So when they starts doing that, you already know what's coming? I don't want to talk about my case, man. Bro, what the fuck is you in jail? Yo, get out the cell right quick. I told the bunk. Get out the room right quick.

I'm like, what you in jail for? So he's like, I don't really, I'm embarrassed about it. I got 20 years for it. He touched his motherfucking three-year-old granddaughter. Myr slapped this shit out of him and choked him out of the bottom bunk. Went in his locker took Wild Macwood. I had a net back start taking shit out of shit. I went shopping.

But it's not like that. Like I'm fucked up. My homies are taking care of me. I got hustles going on. My family's taking care of me. Everybody, you know what I mean? I had a good support system. I can't lie.

I salute everybody that helped me down to. Press 5 and all that. I love y'all. But, you know, at the end of the day, it's like, that was our bid. I've never seen a chore mobile before in my life. Niggas was telling me, like, when I was leaving the medium, because they ain't in the medium, neither. The only place they're at is in the low.

That's the only place they could go. You know that, right? They're not in a camp because they can't because they got, what's that shit called? The, the variable. The variable. They got the variable on them. They can't go to the can't because they can't move outside with the community.

They can't go to a medium and they can't go to the penitentiary. So the only place they can go to is a low. That's why I saw so many of them. But when I went to the low for the first, I was mild, I was like, what the fuck am I? What is going on here? A couple times I wanted to go back to the medium. But the medium is trash too. The medium don't got no politics like the penitentiary.

It's like the lower you go in the security levels, the worse it comes, like with the character was. Like, damn, who the fuck is this? They stealing that out of, mad, weird motherfuckers around. Like, every niggas is telling, they go right to the CO desk. Like, man, he just touched me. Like, what the fuck? I've never seen that before. Like, it was just something to adjust that was so crazy to me.

Like, the adjustment in there was like, I used to be calling my family. Like, yo, what the fuck? They got me in Boo-woo. They're like, what's going on? That shit is Candy Land over here. Like, this shit ain't nothing going on. I've probably seen the Duce's go off maybe. like I was there I was in Allerwood low for three years I might have seen the Duce's

go off maybe five times and one of them was for me because of the because me and the the uh not the captain the lieutenant got into it he wanted to take my beads off my neck I was like you ain't getting these bro you ain't getting these I'm gonna keep it with you better read my jacket I ain't one of these chomo niggins and none of that shit you better read my jacket so he first the CO had tried to take my beads I had I had like five sets of red beads on my neck. You know, he ain't supposed to have them rosaries like that, not them colors. They usually give you the clear ones.

You know what I'm talking about all the black ones. I got red ones, a whole bunch of them. Centauria ones, all that. So I got them going. I'm about to go to Chow. I walked by the CO bubble. She all like, hey, come here. Let me get those.

Let you get what? Let me see the rosaries on your neck. I'm like, these? He was like, yeah. I said, you ain't getting these motherfuckers. He was stupid. He was like, well, sit right there I want to call a lieutenant.

I'm like, the lieutenant not getting him neither. The only person that's getting these shit is a chaplain. And he might not get him dependent on how I'm finna because I woke up on some bullshit that day.

I'd have to see-o clean my cell in there and everything on some jail politics. He was scared of death. I said, bro, you just, you left ketchup on my man's motherfucking great sweatsuit.

You fucking stupid? He's like, why are you talking to me like that, and mate? Man, I see through all that shit. He's a rookie, man. Get up. Get up.

I swear to God on everything I love Anybody that's been in Allen Wood USP from I mean Alan Wood low from 2019 to 2020

know about this situation everybody was talking about that shit I made his stupid ass get about the office come to myself and clean the fucking floor on hands and knees

everybody was at my door like oh shit because it's cubes over there everybody laughing like you know what's my how fucking did that I'm like because it's law it's law even with them

They got a bobby-boss. They got to be professional regardless of what the fuck you think you're tough or whatever. Because I don't call COs out. Like, we can get it on, take your belt off and all. We go on the bathroom over there. I'll beat you the fuck up in the shower. I don't told COs that before. They don't be wanting no smoke like that.

Only a couple would be tough, like one or two. They're like, oh, what you want? You think you're a tough guy. Yeah, I'm tough. Then when they look at my jacket, when my fucking binder this big, you see all that shit I brought in here? All those are shots.

transcripts, everything. I'm not just talking. This is real life shit. I never seen nobody come in here with that on your show. So what happened to the beads? So they took me, they sent me to the lieutenant office. The CO called. They sent me to the lieutenant office.

I go to the lieutenant office. He's like, all, let me get the bees. I said, well, why don't you talking to me like that? What the fuck is wrong with you? He's like, let me get the beads, man. I'm tired of playing this game with you. I said, you ain't getting them now because the way you're talking to me.

I'm not giving them to you. Call the Chapman. I don't got to call the Chapman. This is my compound. I said, well, nigga, I ain't taking him shit, so, bro. I'm going to keep it real with you. That's not everything I love. I go to the box behind this shit.

You got me fucked him. He ain't about to scare me with the box. I did the box. That shit ain't shit. He's like, well, that's where you're going. Cuff up. I'm like, cuff up. Take me to the box.

So we got to walk outside. He cut the compounding. Cut the deuce's wrong or whatever. All my homies is yelling. What the fuck? I'm like, man. Shit, lie'll be back out. So he walking the captain out there smoking the

a bogey or whatever he smoked a cigarette he like all let me take him in there Lutella's like no this is personal I'm going in there with him I'm like this knickers a clown so when we go inside there they put me in a cage to strip out I'm not stripping out now

they uncuff me I pull one cuffing I got one cuff on my wrist I'm like bro you're not even getting this cuff back now so it's like five of them coming in there I'm mace you I don't care about none of that y'all y'all gotta read my jacket y' got to start playing me I'm gonna let you go into office on the computer right there

because you can look me up and go look at I don't care about none that I've been mace before I've been hit with a concussion grenade all that shit I did all that I've been through all that I had fun with the Cils already you heard so it comes back he's like oh that's motherfucker really was in the USPs he was like we didn't have a couple guys like you just give us the bees man we're gonna let you back out on the compound right now

I said you want the beads you want them here I popped all the beads on my name this shit's all over the floor hey get them shit one by one stupid he was like you're going to the shoe now I don't care I was gonna let you back out I don't care. You can ship me too. Give me the fuck out of here.

I didn't even want to go back out on that compound. They came. I was back there for like 60 days. I beat it at D.H.O. I knew the D.H. I've been to see him. He'd been to see me at Lewisburg. Five times.

Here, man, what's what's going on here? It's the first time I've seen you in Ireland. Yeah, this dad, this dad. I played my case, whatever. He was like, I know I'm going to hear some shit behind this. I'm going to let you back out on the compound. You're right. They did it wrong.

because they didn't call the chaplain. These is rosary beads. These is blessed beads. Regardless what color they are. I got these from the chaplain. They came into your institution through R&D. That means that your facility allowed them in here. So I could wear them.

The only one that could send them home for me is the chaplain. And you didn't call the chaplain. You violated. I told you, they got their own little shit. They got to go through. Man, that motherfucker took all my pictures. I had like 700 pictures. He was like, you can only get it.

25 now. What? You got to mail the rest home. He's being a dickhead. So what I was there, I was like, I'm going to come back. Came back with some, like, loose sweatpants. I started dumping all the pictures in my sweatpants. Took all the shit back. I just left the book and mailed a book out. That's had like five pictures and that shit. He was being the dickhead. I'm being a dickhead, too.

It's how I can't. I like fucking with the COs. Like, disrespecting them, valid them because I can't stand COs. Feel me? Like, they be thinking they suit with stuff. Like, go do this. Go do this. Let me. Shut the fuck the fuck up.

Make me. Because that's how the USP. I ain't go out of it. I'm the toughest ones, for real. They'll give you what you looking for. I ain't go a lot of it. Because they fucked me up a couple times. Lewis Burry, they ran in myself a couple times.

Maced me through the concussion grenade in there. We beefing. I got the mattress on the slot. I got my face covered with the fucking, I cut the sheet up, wrapped around my face, put water on it. We're going at it. I woke up in a shower handker. Like, what the fuck happened?

A concussion grenade. You can only remember what the fuck happened. I woke up in a shower handcuff. Had a black eye all that. I'm like, oh, shit. How much time did you end up doing on this second bed? I did. They sent to me to 108 months.

I did. I went from September 15th, 2016, to November 15th, 2023. So like seven years, three months I did all this. So almost two years ago you got home. Yeah, almost two. November this year, it would be two years. Was your mindset different getting out this time? I knew it when I got into the halfway house.

The way I was moving before and the way I was moving there, I was like, I grew up. I know it. I wanted to put all my shit in motion there. I had a plan this time. I'm saying? Last time I had a plan, I was like, he was going to be a rapper or a drug dealer?

One of them. I was going to make it in one of them shit. That was my stupid mentality before. But now I got kids. They depend on me. I got other things going on. Like, I ain't glorifying this jail shit. It's just, this is my experience.

This is what I went through. This is what happened in my life. And, you know, other people glorify, other people who, like, love to hear about it. Like, oh, yeah, oh, you know how this shit is. You see, you see the views. You see what's going on, that I'm saying? It's real, though. You've been through it.

Probably not as many times as me, but you've been through it. You know, what I'm saying is real. It was what's going on in there. I'm saying, just like how you're talking about peace of this. I can relate to all that. I've been to all that. I ate all that. Drunk, have fun, cell phones, flirting with CO chicks.

All, I did all that. Anything you could do in prison, I did. except for tell, fuck with a faggot, I ain't did none of that type of shit. But everything else, fighting, stabbing, cursing, COs out, violating, I did all that, for me?

Did I have fun doing it? In the beginning, I did. The second time I ain't do too much before, incidents. So I was really chilling. I'm proud of myself, to be honest with you. I'll be trying to tell my little homies, like, man, they got to do better with themselves, man,

because going to prison, that shit ain't it. Being on the fucking handcuffs, waiting on a plane, Marshals with shotguns all around. They don't know that experience. That's real. Going out, Oklahoma, you shackled. You never had the black box, did you?

That black box shit is not a joke. My fucking wrist be swollen. I can't even eat the little bullshit-ass apple. They give you the water. I got to tell you, crack the top for me. Because, you know, the cups you I get, I can move your wrists. I can't move nothing.

That shit stuck like that. Like, that whole experience right there is, like, walking down that long-ass corridor on OKC until you get to the end to the unshackle you and all that. My fucking feet swollen now. I ain't got time for that shit no more. That shit's...

That's for the birds. Be honest with you. I love freedom now. You heard? I love outside. What have you learned throughout this whole journey in and out of prison,

you know, your child did everything when you look back on it now? What I learned? I learned stay the fuck out of these people away. For real. Watch who you have as your company. Because they'll get you in trouble too.

And just focus up more of you, man. Because when you go into jail, man, a lot of people don't give a fuck about you. That's real. Your friends ain't sending you no money. They ain't coming to visit you, none of that. I learned. Just be easy. Smiley, I appreciate you coming on the show today.

I appreciate you having me, man. It was interesting. It's a pleasure, no I'm saying. Yeah, thanks for an entertaining interview, man. I'm sure the audience is going to love it. Yeah, absolutely, man. Peace out, man. I already know, man.

Also, too, man, we got a shout out a couple of people, man. Go forth floor is yours, man. You got a shout out my man, Junbug, Hancho, Flex. Got a shout out St. Fourth Quarter Entertainment, Star, Remo. You know, all my good people, man, out there, my kids. You already know. Much love, man. Peace.