Locked In with Ian Bick - I Was a White Guy Who Became a Blood in a Texas Max Security Prison — Here's How I Survived It | Timothy Greisheimer

Episode Date: July 26, 2026

Timothy Greisheimer grew up in Ohio before his family moved to Texas — and with his father out of the picture and his mother doing what she could, the streets filled in the gaps before he was old enough to understand what that really meant. In this episode of Locked In with Ian Bick, he shares how teenage robberies and a love for stealing and selling guns led to an eight year sentence in the Texas prison system, what getting sent to a brutal maximum security facility really looked like, and how he made one of the most dangerous decisions available inside those walls — leaving the white gang he ran with and becoming a Blood as a white man inside a Texas max security prison. He navigates the politics the violence and the daily reality of what that decision really cost him before finally getting out, becoming a major meth dealer, spending nearly ten years on the run, getting caught again, and doing another fifteen years in Texas — this time converting to Islam before finishing his sentence as a peckerwood, learning to tattoo, and finally turning his life completely around. _____________________________________________ #texas #TrueCrime #ganglife #prison _____________________________________________ Connect with Timothy Greisheimer: https://www.instagram.com/tattoos_bykriminalkustoms?igsh=ZnQwYW03dWQ4bjN6 _____________________________________________ Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ _____________________________________________ Timestamps: 00:00 Intro & Early Life 01:18 Family Background & Moving 04:18 Trouble in Childhood 06:26 Starting Crime & Identity Search 11:14 Influences & Role Models 13:24 Gang Life & Friend Groups 20:45 First Arrest & Prison Sentence 29:39 Entering Maximum Security Prison 41:52 Navigating Prison Politics 52:02 Switching Sides in Prison 01:04:05 Consequences & Proving Himself 01:23:00 Parole & Getting Out 01:42:59 Returning to the Streets 01:58:38 Climbing the Drug World 02:19:52 Avoiding Law Enforcement 02:35:27 Probation Violation & Back to Prison 03:14:41 Second Prison Bid & Leaving Gangs 03:34:03 Life After Prison 03:52:54 Lessons Learned & Reflections 04:04:39 Advice to the Next Generation _____________________________________________ To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://advertising.libsyn.com/LockedInWithIanBicka

My guest today is Timothy Greisheimer. He grew up in Texas, started doing robberies as a teenager, got sentenced to eight years in a brutal Texas maximum security prison, and then made one of the most dangerous decisions you can make inside those walls, leaving the white gang he ran with and becoming a blood as a white man. I grew up in Ohio and in Texas. So a little bit of Columbus, Ohio, and then, but the majority in Texas, though. You were born in Ohio? Yeah, yeah, yeah, in Columbus. And both parents were in the picture? No, my dad was in the picture for a little while, my real dad,

and then somewhere after we had moved to Florida or whatever, when I was an infant, him and my mom split up. And where was your mom in Ohio? In Columbus, too. Oh, so she was in the picture at that point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, sir, yeah. What did she do for work?

A waitress. Like, yeah, I think at that time she was a waitress, all different little, like, single mom. jobs. I remember she was like a, you used to like dress up like as a pink gorilla or like as a clown for like kids birthdays and shit like that. So, um, yeah, yeah, that's what she worked like two, three jobs. Wasn't home a lot because she was working. So, uh, my real dad was gone. Like, we saw him every now and then when he would come around and stuff like that.

And what he do for work? construction, like he was like a contractor. Same thing he does now. Was it just you or did you have siblings? I had my brother, my older brother. Yeah, he's three years older than me. Were you guys close? I don't know, dude.

Like, I try to, because we're not that close now. So, like, as kids, I don't remember us being that close. Like, we didn't play a lot together, even though we're three years apart. You know, we didn't hang out a lot. and stuff like that. I know I admired him because he was good at sports or like skateboarding. Like I got into skateboarding for a little while. Like so like I know I had always admired him and what he could do, but we didn't really, we weren't really that close. No. No. Yeah. How was, go ahead. How was a relationship with your mom?

It was weird. I guess like my mom was always gone work like working or whatever the case may be. so she wasn't home a lot. And we didn't, we didn't get along a lot, me and my mom either. Like, me and my mom didn't get along all the way until I went to jail when I was 17. And then I remember she came and saw me when I was in the county. And she was all like, listen, I know we don't get along. She's like, I know we don't get along. But she's like, I can't remember.

I'd like paraphrasing how she said it, but she was like, and she doesn't even remember this conversation, which is crazy. Right? So she said, I know I can't be your mom. She's like, I know we don't get along or we hate each other. I know I can't be your mom, but I can be your friend from here on out. So if we can just get along with each other, you know, for this situation. And I was like, yeah, I'm cool with that.

And that's when me and my mom started being like really cool. So do you feel like you grew up then without a parent in a way? Yeah. for sure, for sure, yeah. Do you think you ever had love as a child? I think there were times of it. You know what I'm saying? My mom wasn't really a loving person like that.

Like, I tried to say this shit without getting emotional or whatever because I don't talk about these subjects that much. I was actually thinking about it the other day, too, like, that I don't remember because how I am with my kids. I don't remember any of that. Why did you guys move from Ohio? To here? Yeah.

Because my grandfather was here, and then my mom's brother was here. And then she was married to my stepdad, this abusive dude who was, like, beating the shit out of her and me and stuff like that. So she also left there to get away from him as well and get here. So that's why we left Ohio and came here. If you stayed in Ohio, do you think you would have went down the same path that you would choose? I don't know. I don't think so. Maybe, maybe, maybe not, maybe so.

Because my real dad did come around when my mom would let him. And then also probably there were times when he didn't want to come around. But neither is to say when he did come around, like when he came and picked me and my brother up, Like that's when I would say I would feel like probably love from a parent, even though we didn't see him that much. It was like once every couple months or whatever if my mind is serving me correctly. But like, because he did construction. So like we'd be at a house doing construction with all, hey, look, this is skip. This is Ian.

And they would all like fuck with us and hey, come help us do this. And so like there was love like in those spurts. think that if we would have stayed in Ohio with my dad there maybe as much as possible, and then I have my real family there, maybe I wouldn't have went down that path. The only reason why I'm saying that I don't know is because when we moved here to Texas, but I went to California. My mom sent me to California when I was 13, 12, 13, to live with my aunt, uncle to keep me out of trouble because I was getting in trouble.

so and then they sent me to go live with my real dad in Ohio but by that time I was 16 and I was like I don't give a like I'm going to do what I want to do maybe maybe not I don't know bro to tell you the truth I really don't know um yeah why were you getting into trouble and what kind of trouble when I when I started getting into trouble with like when I first started like doing bad stuff we were stealing from like the local corner store type stuff but only a few times did we steal because the guy was like, if y'all just come and ask for it, I'll give it to y'all. I know y'all don't have money. So we didn't steal anymore.

So like I didn't commit any crime until I was probably like 11, 12 years old, 10 maybe. And I committed my burglary. That was my first crime that I actually committed. So I think I was probably 11, something like that. And why did I break the law? Because by that time, and even as, a kid as well. I always say the movies, like I idolize the bad guys, you know, and stuff like that. So I just, I just always wanted to be a bad guy, I guess, like a criminal crime guy.

Like, yeah, you know, or like some, like, badass cop detective motherfucker that's beating this shit out of, you know, dudes and, you know, Steven Seagall motherfuckers like marked for death or something like that, like some shit like that. That's, I guess where my mind, where it was at. But I also idolized the military because I wanted to be a soldier too. Like, I've like had this plan in the back of my mind where I was like going to break the law until I was 17. And then I was going to join the military when I turned 18 or whatever and go and be like some military special ops guy. So like, I think that was just what it was, man. Maybe me trying to find myself in an identity, not having a.

identity growing up your parents not really being there installing anything in you no no heritage no um religion you know what i'm saying no sense of maybe work ethic except seeing my mom go to work so i think it was just maybe me trying to find an identity and because i lived in a poor environment and being you know in ohio at that time when i was a kid seeing open air drug market an open-air crime right there and seeing that, I think because it was easily attainable, that's where my identity went to. You understand what I'm saying?

So that's what it, the crime thing was just like, that's just money motivated, just an identity I had, I guess. What was it about the bad guys? Do you think you were attached to? If I want to go to like the movies or whatever, it was just the suaveness about them, the character of them, the fucking leather coat with the slick back hair,

you know, like, uh, had said on Johnny, when I was a kid, I had seen John Gotti run out of court. You know, he was pumping his fist and everybody was cheering, and my stepdad was on the couch, the abusive one.

And I was like, who is that? And he told me who he was. And then I remember I had came home one day and we had a coffee table, a real old German coffee table because I'm German, right? So when my family immigrated here from Germany,

they immigrated to Ohio. There's a big German community in Ohio. So we have this old German coffee table when my mom still has it to this day. And I remember I came in from school when there was a Time magazine on table and John Gotti was on that fucking magazine. That's probably the first thing

I ever read in my life. besides what they made me read at school and I just was like so impressed by these guys that's why when I uh before we were talking I mean before we started I was I didn't get to finish but like I was uh when I was dating at chicken Connecticut I was talking about I flew into New York and she came and picked me up

and I was just like because I still watch old mob movies to this day like the is it still old school because I haven't been there in a really long time since like 2000 2011, 2010. Is it still like old school style up there? Like, kind of like... I think it depends where you go.

Yeah. Some is more modernized, but I think it really just depends on the area. Yeah, the city, I was just like, I was like, damn. Yeah, I mean, casino. Fucking, what's that? Goodfellas. Donnie Brasco. I was looking up like all the stuff on Google, known mob hangouts,

trying to go and find him and shit to see a real-life mobster and shit. I've always been fascinated with those guys. Still to this day, I am fascinated with them. Now, there is a part of you that also wanted to be the good guy, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you want to go to the military. Where did that come from? Oh, no, maybe because I have military family.

Maybe it's genetic. I don't honestly know. Because I'm still like that now. Like, even now, like, I still like military shit. Like, I still watch military training stuff. I get on the DARPA website and look up the new military equipment they got. Like, I'm still infatuated with that lifestyle. You know what I think it is?

Now that I'm talking to you about it, I just had a eureka moment. There was a psychologist that talked about this, a crime psychologist. I think it was an FBI analysis. It was, as a matter of fact. I think it was one of the FBI analysis that interviewed that mob. Bob hitman, Richard Keklinski, the Iceman, Richard Kikklinsky or whatever. So they were saying how, like, a race car driver's brain works at adrenaline dump. It's like the same thing with like a criminal maybe, like that extremeness of either which way.

So I think that's how my mind operates in those extremes, either like as a criminal trying to make money and be this persona crime guy. or if I want to do the military, I want to do the special ops, like go hard into battle type guy. You know, if I want to be the cop, I want to be the detective working 90 hour weeks chasing down fucking, you know, drug lords or some shit fucking being undercover, you know, like my mind has always been in that realm of things, I guess. That's where I've always operated in that fantasy, if that's what you want to call it. I always, whatever I want to do, I want to be the biggest in that subject matter, I guess. Now the burglary you committed when you were 13, what was that about what happened? We just knew that they had guns in there. And we were just trying to get the guns.

That's just what it was. Like I was a gun fanatic, a weapon fanatic. I still am to this day. Weapons, any type of fighting. I don't watch any sports except for fighting. That's it. Like, if I have downtime, I mean, of course, I watch every UFC event now, like especially since it's on Paramount.

So just, you know, I was tattooing during a Conner event. We stopped that fucking bullshit. I was so mad. I was like, bro, are you fucking serious right now? I was so hot, dude. Dude, because the studio that I went to, I asked them, did they have? Because I was out of town. So I asked him, I was like, do y'all got, you got TVs in there?

And he's like, yeah. I was like, you got cable, and he's like, yeah. And I was like, do you have Paramount? I'm on your side of my Paramount account. I got to see this Connor fight. But any type of like fighting martial arts, fighting I'm really into, weaponry I'm really into, I just, I don't know how my brain, why my brain works that way.

And, you know, trying to be these big things or whatever, right? You know, I don't know. it's like with you at the podcasting or whatever, you want to be the biggest, do you aspire for that? Not when I first started, but I think once I committed, then you always want to,

or at least in my mind, it's similar, you want to keep getting better. You don't want to be complacent. That's why I'm always switching up new things and trying new things. Yeah. For sure.

Now, who's we? Are you hanging out with a group of people? Is this a gang or just friends? Just friends. Yeah, just friends. Eventually gang members. You know what I'm saying?

and eventually gang. There was always gang members around. So I've been hanging out with gang members since I was eight years old. So I've always been around gang life, gang activity. Some of my friends were gang members in first grade, you know. So, I mean, I had a buddy when I was 13 years old, 14 years old, get a life sentence for murders. So it's like I've been around gang, gang activity.

so to answer your question long-winded answer. Even like when I was a skater kid, because me and my homeboy got into skateboarding because my brother was real good at it, so my black homeboy Ray wanted to get into skateboarding. Like, I think that's like one of the white, like you hear these other white guys

that grew up in the hood, like they like not trying to slander him or disrespect them, but they like, they really talk like hood. And I don't. well A, I try to like clean up my speech before I came home. But B, me growing up in the hood, but like my growing up, my best friend wanted to do a sport that was quote-unquote a white sport. So like we hung out with so many different types of people. So like even when I was a gangster, I was never really a gangster like that because I hung out with so many different types of people.

I was cultured kind of but even when I was a skater I hung out with gang members so like say I would go to school and we'd be at lunch I'd go over here to the skaters Dap him up, what's up bro? Go over here to the gangsters, what's up bro? Go over here to the Cholos.

What's up bro? Go over here to the preps. What's up home boy? Go to the jocks. What's up bro? So my crew, if I hung out with a bunch of people there's going to be some gang members there guaranteed. Why do you think you didn't join personally at that time? You would have been the

perfect candidate, especially looking for family or a father or mother type figure? I think because I'm not a follower and I like to do my, I just, I don't know why. I've really thought about that. Like before I came on your show, I know how you run your show. So I've thought about a lot of deep questions. So like, I go on walks every morning and I think, but I've been like thinking about this interview the past couple days, like how you ask questions. And I just, I don't know.

I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, even when I became a gang member, I, I, I did challenge leadership. I don't even know why I even became a gang member while we're even talking

to tell you the truth. Because I don't follow well. And I'm not really a group individual per se. So even when I was a gang member, I was maybe really only cool with five or six the guys that I was even in the gang with and the other guys I might not even have been that cool with.

So now the burglary, you guys get caught for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did a bunch of burglaries and we got caught for it. A guy snitched on us. A guy that we sold some of the pistols to, two, three, 57 pistols to, he turned him into the police to get some warrants off of them. That's what I found out later on. And then they came and surrounded my house.

And then that's how I wanted him going to prison when I was 17. So this was over the course of 13 to 17 your teenage years? Yeah, yeah. Okay. And you're done with school at that point? Or were you still in school? Yeah, I had got a court appointed GED. The judge kicked me, well, the school kicked me out of school.

They took me to court to kick me out of school, basically. And at 17, how much time do they end up giving you for these burglaries? Five, eight years sentences. Five eight years sentences. Five eight years sentences. So technically, what's that, 40 years, but just ran concurrent. So eight years. Okay.

Yeah. And where do they send you? Did this unit call a taro unit? It's not called Terrell Unit anymore. It's called Polonski. It's where they house Death Row at. So, yeah, that's where they sent me to. Maxim Security Unit in Texas.

Did they charge your? as an adult or how do the laws work? Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I was 17, so they charged me as an adult. Now, why they sent me to that prison, I just think Texas just don't give a fuck where they send you, so that's how that happened. Now, was that a plea deal you took or did you go to trial? No, I went to what's called an open plea. So it's basically like you throw yourself on the mercy of the court, the judge, or whatever, because they were offering me 20 years the whole time for that. They wouldn't, there was no other plea bargain. And if I went to trial, that would have been useless because I told all

myself after they found everything in my house. So there was no reason to trial. So the next best thing was, well, I don't know if they have it in Connecticut, but in Texas they have this thing called open plea where you basically throw yourself on the mercy of the court like, hey, I fucked up, you know, don't give me 20 years. And he's the one that gave me since it was actually six cases. So he gave me five, eight-year sentences, random concurrent, and then there was a six burglary, which was with a pistol. I had a pistol at my hand. There was actually a witness in that house. He actually came and testified and asked them not to send me to prison, because he was a kid, too. He was a couple years younger than me, but when I went in this house, I saw him, I was like, oh, shit,

and I just, like, shot off, because I wasn't trying to hurt anybody. The gun wasn't even fucking loaded. Um, so I got a 10 year probation for that stacked on top of my prison time. So, no, no plea bargain went in front of the judge and he fucking gave me all that. So now the houses you're robbing, are they innocent people? Are they, uh, other people on the street? Yeah, they're innocent people. And, whoa, dude, so my mom stayed out by the lake.

So I went out there to visit my mom. And, uh, I was just here in gunshots. shots go off. Blah, pop, like, and the houses are far apart. You know what I'm saying?

This is in the country. So I'm like, damn, fuck, we can make some, we could sell some guns, we can make some money. So I just hit up my partner and I'm all like,

hey, bro, you want to commit some burglaries? And you could just walk through these trails because it's all around the lake. And just walk up and we're kids, you know, 17 years old,

16 at the time. Yeah, when I say I was, no, I was 17. Knock on the door. I say you answered. I'd be like, hey, is Jeremy here? Huh, you got the right?

This ain't 824 Comic Avenue. 824 is right though. You're wrong. Oh, sorry, buddy. You're all right, you guys. And just walk off. And then if you didn't answer,

walk around the house, and fucking, put gloves on, put a bandana around my face, and fucking punch out the window and go in the house. Oh, so if they're home, then you don't rob them? No, then we don't rob them. Nah, hell, I'm not trying to hurt nobody. I'm just trying to get some guns.

Like, I'm not trying to steal anything but guns. How do you get into the safe if they have a safe? If they got the gun, well, if they got the gun safe, then we just got, I don't even know if you can do this now, but you just, if you have, like, you know, the big screwdrivers you can get from, like, you know, auto zone or Home Depot, the real big, strong. motherfuckers. With those, you could just get in a gun safe easy. And then, like, if the gun safe

is glass, like say the front of it's glass, you could just knock the glass out and get the guns off. They're not locked up or whatever. If it was a small safe, I'll just take it, get into it later. We could drill out the lock if we take the safe. So, you know, and then in Texas, and I'm sure it's still like this to this day, but like in the country, like, people leave their pistols. They leave guns everywhere. Like, go ahead. How do you know who to sell these guns to? How do you find the connects?

That, that would that, everybody you know, on the streets that's, you know, making moves, what, you know, in the street life. I mean, anybody in the streets, you know, I mean, there's a regular average Joe's that want to buy a pistol, you know, in the streets, you know, if they're from the hood or whatever, they maybe don't want to their name on the pistol or whatever the case may be. They don't want to go through the background check or they don't want their name on. record, who know, you know what I'm saying? Like, so you can sell a pistol to anybody, you know, um, but just knowing people in the streets, my whole goal was just getting drugs, getting bud, because like I was like a petty weed dealer too. And, uh, so I'm like, I'm just going to trade this off for bricks of weed. That's just, my thing was, even if you sold crack, I didn't sell crack, but just say you did. I'd sell you the pistols for some crack. I know people,

who sell crack, eventually this crack is going to sell. So, you know, that's just in the streets. Anybody who's willing to... And that's eventually how I got caught, because that when the cops, one of the houses that we hit was a sheriff. He was the head sheriff. So when we hit his house, it was like, when we got caught, the detective he had even told me.

He's like, yeah, y'all fucked up when y'all robbed his side. We didn't even take anything. and we didn't take anything because like when we came up to the back door after I knocked and nobody answered we came to the back door uh when we went in when we went to come like break in the window was open so we go in but where we fucked up was my homeboy broke some of the stuff in one of the bedrooms i think i go in the closet as soon as i open up the closet i just see all these bell county sheriff jackets and i was like the fuck and I just see his name on it I said oh my god I see the election signs

these I'm like oh I hear him breaking shit I'm like fuck we fucked up bro so I go to the bedroom I'm like bro what are you breaking shit for he's like oh I'm trying to get in I'm like bro he got to get the fuck out of here he's like well I was like bro this is the sheriff's house he's like I was like d Smith he said oh he is mexican he damn there turned white because that dude had like bell county on like lockdown. Like they were indicting every, they were, dude, I got indicted. I wasn't even in the county when they did get me. I wasn't even in the county. I don't even think three days and I got indicted. That's how fast they indicted me when I got caught up for this case right here.

What was your exit plan? Would you have continued to do robberies or did you have a certain amount in mind you wanted to save up to? No, I was just, dude, I was just like just on some grimy shit, there was no exit plan. It was just like, like I told you, I planned on joining the military when I turned 18. So I was just going to like steal and deal and whatever, just like until I turned 18 and joined the military. Like I didn't have any real aspirations of, of like making some like big money or anything of that nature. Like everything that I was doing now to answer your question that was actually starting to take place with some of the older guys that I knew they were actually starting to bring me in and like, A, can you drive this over here? A, can you

drive this over there? Because they liked how I handled myself in the streets. So it probably would have turned into something like that. But in my mind, I was like, man, I'm just going to do what I want to do until I'm 18 and I'm going to go join the military. Wow. So even at that point in time, you still wanted to join the military. Yeah, I still wanted to join the military. Even after I caught my case, I tried to, my lawyer tried to get them to, uh, get me in the military. Or like a boot camp or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, no, I was like really trying to join because I had no aspirations. I didn't want to go to college. I didn't care about that. I wasn't like a gamer. This is back in 2009, like Yahoo, A-L-L-R,

online was like the big thing back then. So like the whole internet thing wasn't a deal. I'd been on construction sites basically my whole life as a kid. I was a good athlete, but I'm not a big guy. So it's not like I can be a professional athlete. So I don't have many fucking choices if I don't want to go to college and get a degree. So, you know, my only choice is to either be a criminal or to be a blue collar guy. And shit, you know, the military was, you know, sounded like a good tradeoff, you know. Were you using drugs at all yourself? Just weed.

That's, I've never been a drug guy. Like, I've never been, I don't even like, like, even alcohol. Like, I've drank in my life, obviously, but I don't like the taste of alcohol. So, no, I wasn't like on, no, I got any drugs except for bud, yeah. So now this maximum security unit they send you to, tell us about that. Terrell, it's called Polonsky now. So when I hit there, I thought it was going to be like the red brick prisons,

the old red brick prisons they got here in Texas. Or even they got, I've seen prisons in Connecticut, and things look like Castle. Some of them look old as fuck. I'm like, damn. So anyways, I know we pull in and I see it and it's not red brick. It's like a newer unit.

It was like built. to 92 or finished in 92, 93, something like that. So it was built in the late 80s, early 90s. And we pulled into it and all the inmates are getting hype and shit. Oh, here we go. Terrell Dome. Terrell Dome. I'm sitting there and I'm looking at this shit.

I'm just like, I don't know. I was in a state of blankness. Like, honestly, to tell you the truth, when I looked back at that time, I was in a state of blankness where I was just like, Here it comes. Like, whatever it is, here it comes. I'm a scary guy.

Like I am, even on my way over here coming to here to meet you guys, I was extremely nervous. I get very nervous like that. Like, I'm very scary walking in the scenarios. I don't know. But when it's time for the action to happen, it's different. I get extremely calm. So I guess like when I got there, I was just like in a state of like calmness and then like, um,

all the guys on the chain bus were from all these other hard-ass units. They were starting, I guess they were in trouble there. So they were all being shipped over here. So they're all rowed up. So like they like bring like the fucking Goan Squad on the bus and like their Ninja Turtle outfit type shit with the, you know what I'm talking about. They run them all on the bus. I go shut the fuck up. Welcome to Terrell Dome.

Fight fucker, Buster 75. So the whole fight fucker Buster 75, I didn't even know what that was. But what I found out was, I probably had heard it, but it just didn't recollect in my mind. So like if they come to your cell, because this is what I was told was going to happen.

They were like, hey, when you pull up, you're going to go in, they're going to come up to yourself. And then they're going to be like, hey, what's up? who you riding with, which meant, like, are you a hoe or some shit? And then you're like, no, I ain't nothing or whatever. And then they're going to say, uh, you, you're going to fight fuck or both of 75. So a seven, so they have like the spin limits here in Texas. So now it's like

$95. So you can spend $95 every two, or yeah, $95 every two weeks. So back then it was 75. You could spend one 50 a month every two weeks the spin would renew. So it's like you either going to fight, be a punk, or a bus to 75. So this is what the guards say to us. Fight, fuck, or bus is 75. So we're getting off the bus. I'm handcuffed to the dude who later on plays like a key moment in my life on Ontario Unit.

And we come off and then we go into the multi-purpose room of one of these buildings or whatever. And then you go to like unit classification where you see the warden and then the GI. and some other person, whoever the fuck they are. And I remember right then there, which is crazy because, like, back then, like, Texas, like they don't, like, that whole PC shit, like, they don't allow that. Like, there's, like, protection wings now in Texas, but it's not, like, you're not safe there. It's really like a homosexual hangout. And the only reason why I knew that they had that now is because when I was in there, this just last time, I was going on a medical chain.

Because they thought I had cancer and I had went on a medium custody pod. And then I was looking across, I remember I had talked to the Porter, the SSI guy. I was like, what are those guys over there? He's like, oh, that's PC. And I was like, they got PC now. And he was all like, it ain't nothing but a homeless. But they didn't have that back then. You couldn't catch out.

You couldn't go to the laws and be like, oh, they're making me. ride. They'd be like, shit, you shouldn't have came to prison, motherfucker. But when they saw me, and then they saw that I was from Central Texas, and they saw that it was a military town, and most these guards here are ex-military.

Are there, Army, Army Reserve, so they respect military, so they're like, are you a military brat? I like, I'm like, yeah, I ain't no military brat. I have military in my family, but I'm not a military brat. So I'm like, I'm like, yes sir and he's like man you ain't even gonna make it here he's like we're just gonna put you in PC and ship you off i don't know what you're doing here they just killed a white dude here the other day

you're not gonna and i was just like man i was like don't do that because back then there were still inmates inmate correspondence and i just was hearing stories in the county that if you caught out or you got moved or something happened like the inmates would find you and right and it would just be so i'm just like if I leave, even though nobody knew me, I'm thinking it's going to follow me. Like, let's just get it over with. Like, I don't do, don't, don't, let's just get the shit over with it. If I'm going to be a punk, I guess it's happening. It is what it is.

I'm here. And you know, you've been to prison, bro. So, like, doing that whole transfer thing being muled around like a cow, a cat, that shit, like, it drains you to where you don't give a fuck. Like, if you're going in the gulag, you're like, it is what I'm here now. I'm over. I don't want to do that shit. No.

He showered in a week. So fucking, bro, we're on our way to the building and the guy that's walking with us. Like, he works for property or whatever. So they got this, like, wagon thing they're pooling with our beds and stuff on there. And we're walking. And everybody knows you're fresh on the farm

because you have these red chain bags. These, like, plastic mesh-style chain bags. So fucking, he's trying to make me ride. Like, he's trying to make me a bitch on the way to the building. He's like, hey, man, you got them shoe wool. Man, motherfucker do. You won't need some help.

I'm like, man, I'm all right, bro. I'm good. You sure, fool? We get in the building and they're doing necessities. And I remember I'm standing right here. So when you come into the building, say this is the entrance to the building. When you come to the building,

there's a pod down here. There's a pod down here like a T. And then there's a pod right here. there's a desk to the left where the officers sit at. And then there's a window right there where they do necessities. So the guys are in the necessities window and the lines over here. I'm standing right here and we're waiting for them to pass out these move slips. They call them lay-ins.

They look like their receipts. It's receipt paper. So they're handing them out telling you where you go. So the guy gives me my laying in. I'm looking at it. And I hear, I don't know how I got this, but for some reason, and heightened situations, I can hear really fucking well. And I hear these two black dudes talk,

look a white boy with the free world tennis shoes. Look at the white boy with the free world tennis shoes. And I'm kind of just like looking around or whatever. And I see the guys talking. So I'm trying to look for eye contact. Who's looking at me? So dude comes around. I see him looking at me.

So dude comes around, he walks around. And when he pulls up on me, he like goes like this. and he flicks and he catches it in his teeth perfect and it had the $100 right there. So he's like, man, I'll give you $100 cash money for them shoes right now. And I was like, nah, bro, I'm good. And he's like, man, you're sure, you sure?

I'm like, yeah, he's like, all right. I'm like, all right. Go down to the pod. I get in the pod. I see everybody kind of looking at me go and pack my shit. And I don't have that much stuff anyways. So I'll fucking, you know,

tie my bed up, all that stuff. My cell is not in there. So I just get out of my TDC clothes because in TDC, all the clothes are white. So I just get out of my clothes and get in my boxers and I just sit there on the stool in the cell waiting for the back door to happen. I'm thinking somebody's about to come knock on my door. Hey, who are you riding with? Oh, okay, we're about to come in and look at you. And I'm thinking I'm about to fight like 10, 15 motherfuckers right now. That's where my mind is. I'm tired. I'm tired. I'm dirty, you know, I'm like, I'm about to get my ass kick. Nobody comes. So I'm sitting there for a minute, go out to the day room. When I go out to the day room, when they do like the in and out

and shit, I go over to where the whites were sitting at. And actually, I'm lying to you. I walked over to like this vent area that's on the wall that opens up and it like sucks the air out. There's one that opens through the roof and it'll like pull air through there or whatever. And I walked over there and I was looking at them and they were looking at me. And then one of them signaled for me to come over there. And I went over there and then we started chopping it up, talking, they were lacing me up on stuff that was going on. We go to Last Chow, come back. So then I'm like, my silly comes home and like, oh, that's your silly right there.

He's cool. And then I'm like, so when's the back door happening? And they were like, what? I'm like, when's the back door happening? Like, when am I getting fucked up? because I want to get this shit out the way, like, as soon as possible. Because now the, like, the fear, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's all starting to kick in now.

I'm starting to settle in. Like, I'm in this new environment. I'm 18 years old. Fresh just turned 18. Skinny as fuck. I'm 138 pounds. Everybody around me is fucking yoked and big, grown men. You know what I'm saying?

Like, you're around serious men. like so now I'm starting to get kind of scared like I'm like wins wins because I lost every fight in the county I didn't win one and I got dumped by a motherfucker in the county the big ass black dude fucking dunked my ass over the Dallas football game so I know I don't have grown man strength yet I just don't have it you know what I'm saying so I know I'm getting my ass kicked and the fear's starting to settle in because now I'm around these aren't dope fiends

and the county coming in getting blown up these are hard in veterans these are these are warriors so they're like ain't nothing gonna happen to you bro just chill do what we tell you to do

and you'll be good but the whole time I'm not trusting them either I don't think they're my buddies just because they're white you know and then all the stories I've heard I'm like

okay so these guys are probably going to pay the black dudes to come and whip my ass in a couple days when I'm not expecting it because I heard that as well that whites will pay nothing happens going to sell chop it up with my celly we say a few things he's cool as fuck I try not to like be too friendly with him because he's black so I'm like you know you know what I'm saying like he's he ain't white so I ain't gonna be too cool with him but I grew up around these type of people so kind of deep down I'm already feeling torn because I'm not. I'm cool like that. And then the next day, we go out to come to breakfast.

And the pickets, they're in the air there. So it's like concrete. And then up in the air where they can see down. And there's three pods. There's three sections to a pod, right? And the circular area that goes around, they call it a rotunda. So when we go to breakfast I just hang out in that little Venn area I told you about I didn't even go sit at the table so went and stood at the Venn area everybody left to go to breakfast

I came out I'm thinking I'm the last one As soon as we fall up in that Sally Port it's fucking packed Those doors are electronic So once everybody gets in Then the back door starts to shut So that back door starts shutting

And I remember bro, this motherfucker slides in, and I just remember him saying, oh, excuse me, Weddell, or watch out Waddo. I think he said, excuse me, Weddell, excuse me, Waddle, excuse me, Waddle. He just slid by me and just slid in between

everybody, bro, like, I got a snake on water. And next you know, fucking boom, boom, boom, he just starts fucking hitting this fool, and you could, like, you hear it, like, I saw him bring him out on the stretcher, so I know he got hit here, but you just

like heard of like the, the, like a boo-boo. like a bloop like like maybe it was like like a suction bouncing off bone going like and i remember i fucking nobody reacted which was crazy and i backed up against the fucking the the the sally port door i stepped back and bumped into it and i remember i'm like standing there with my hands behind my back and i'm just like fucking my fuck she's like when i was just like what the fuck dog like where did i go so the front door opens and I remember when he hit him too

like the dude was just like ugh like he made that type of noise that's only noise he made so everybody just walked out nobody looked down in Texas prisons this would not happen today in this day and age right nobody would act gangster like this

like people would they would all stare you couldn't even get out like that so everybody just walked past this dude like nothing even happened So I just followed suit, kept walking. Then next, you know, you hear the Codray, they start yelling. They tell us to catch the fence.

And then they went in there, got them, brought them out, and then we went to Chow and carried on about our day. So that was my first, not even 24 hours at Terrell Unit. Are you thinking that could happen to you? Yeah. Yeah, I'm thinking, well, because before I came there, when I went to one of the transfer facilities to be shipped and I went to see UCC myself,

the dude, when he asked me my name, because I think I got sent there because I robbed that sheriff. That's what I think happened. I think like my case followed me into TDC. Like, you know, that whole network of law enforcement type shit. Good old boy. This motherfucker fuck me over. Y'amma get his ass.

I'll make sure his life. That's what I think happened. I could be wrong, but I'm going to tell you why I think that. So when I went to one of the transfer units called Gore-Ree, and this leads to the meta point of why I'm going to say, I think it could happen to myself about being stabbed at that time, was when I went to UCC and they were like state your name and TDC number, the guy went to say something, the black dude,

and then the white guy touched him, and he like leaned over like that, leaned over, and he said something to him. And then the black dude didn't speak. The white dude did. And he was like, he's like, you're going to tarot unit in joy. So when I came back down to the wing, the officer was asking all the inmates, where are you going, where you going, where you're going?

And then when I told him where I was going, he told me, he's like, you better get yourself a knife, bro. They're killing over there. And then there was a black dude that had been staring at me when I would come downstairs. Like I would see him. He would be looking at everybody, but it was something about me. is he, like, we had lock on each other. He's a big motherfucker, too.

He called me over to his cell. He's like, where are you going, man? Because the guard, he started yelling, man, this yuxer's going to Terrell Unit. I told him to get a knife. He's just like yelling my business out. And the guy's like, where are you going? And I was like, Terrell Unit, and he was like,

shh. And then he even told me, he's like, bro, get a knife. Because the other units, they were doing a lot of fighting from what I was told. And Terrell Unit had did a lot of fighting, but at that time it was more like on some knife play shit. So like all the crazy like backdoor extortions

that you had heard about, it wasn't really just going down like that. Unless you were like on medium and close custody. Minimum custody kind of moved a little bit different. So but when he told me to get a knife and then seeing that dude get stabbed, I was like, because being on the pod, it seemed cool. Like, it didn't even seem like there was racial, like any type of tension.

Because I've lived on pods where there's tension. Like, just 24-7 tension for no reason, because it's just a bunch of fucking gang members that ain't got nothing else to do. And they're just looking for a reason to trip on somebody, even if it's their own homeboys. So there was like no tension. And then to see a guy just get hit like that, I was just like fuck

Like the only thing I was going through my mind was I was gonna kiss some more time That was the main thing I was like I'm getting more time So normally in a scenario where you have those types of charges and that much or that little time or that amount of time Would you have not been sent to that unit? I don't know because TDC will just send you Wherever Like they don't have a rhyme or reason for what

why they send people to where they send people to. They got max farms. They got minimum security farms. They got medium units. And I don't know what keeps you. I know they had passed like a new law. I think it was a prison law. It could have been a free world one court law.

More like the mediums, you could only be on medium, I think with like tops 40 years or 45 years. Because all the lifers that were on when I went back and I was on Torres unit. All the people that had like 99 years, shit like that, they were on Torres, they all got shipped to the Max Farms. So, like, honestly, I really don't even know how that shit equates. And I just saw some new thing that they're about to build, like, some more prisons or some

shit here in Texas because they're saying, like, the inmate population is climbing. So, I mean, maybe in the beginning they had an idea to put Max inmates with Max Inmates and Minimates, that would be the ideal situation, but when you got so many motherfuckers pouring in, they're just going to send you where they're going to send you. That's what I think with most people, I think that's what their situation was. What I think my situation was,

like probably like 80-20 is I think that I wound up on a territorial unit because I robbed that sheriff's house. Now, how is it structured? Do all the whites stick together, or are there subdivisions within the whites, just like the blacks, they have subdivisions? or how does it work? So at that time on Terrell unit,

because the whites have been like going through all these wars and stuff like that. So they would all be sitting together because there wasn't a lot of them. You know what I'm saying? Like at that time, there wasn't a lot of whites in prison like that at all, especially in Texas.

Now the system is filled up with white dudes because like meth and all that shit like that. So like now there's a gang of white dudes in prison. But at that time, there wasn't a lot of white dudes. Like, Teryl unit was ran by blacks. Just like when I got to Torres unit, it was ran by Mexicans.

Like, dude, there was not that many white dudes to each pod, four or five, maybe six. So, no, at that, at that time, they were all hanging out. If they were family,

they were all sit at the same table, if there was maybe some beef going on type shit, I didn't really hang out with them long enough to speak on their business at that time. But no, because like the table that I hung out at, there was ABT cats there. There was white-dike cats there, shit like that. So they were all hanging out with each other. Now, what I can say that I think would have happened, because I think the question you're probably trying to get at is like maybe the unity factor

is that's the weird thing about Texas. or like the feds or these other states, when you're white and you come in, the white boys immediately try to pick you up. Or in Texas, it don't work like that. Like, white dudes are going to be your fucking enemy. Like, they're not looking to be your homie. They're not looking to throw you a commissary sack,

especially if they think you're a pussy, or they prove that you're a pussy. They're not going to waste their time. So, only like the stiffest of the stiffest of the stiff. stiffest get to hang out with them. So like, say me and you were sitting at the table and I'm A, B, T, and you're A-C, but this is what they'll do with each other, right? They'll be the stiffest motherfuckers sent at the table, but because you're A-C, now a sudden you're getting into a fight with this Crip dude, you whoop the Crip dude, now the Crips want to jump you. You

think all the whites are going to ride with you because we're white, but you're A-C, your family. That's them helping you. We ain't helping you. You're on your own. And the whites are also the minority. Yes. So they're not going to get involved anyways. They're not going to get involved anyways because it's going to get aired out. So it's like divisions within divisions. Now, well, I can't speak of now.

They started releasing a bunch of family members when I made parole because a bunch of my homeboys were kicking it. They were letting the family members walk. So like the tango blast when it came to like the T.S. and shit. Like, they, like, smashed them out. They can't walk anywhere they go or whatever the case may be. It was kind of this, it wasn't the same thing with the families. The families all got segged up.

Maybe some of them got smashed out. But I know, like, I know what was happening where I was at was, like, say this one family member got out of seg and he hit the farm. And then, uh, when they hit him up and found out who he was, they were, they just told them they were like, you can't, you can't recruit over here. you can't they were like but now they're letting them recruit again so I don't I really don't know how it's going but yeah it's the politics with the whites is definitely different um you got the Crips the Bloods the GDs the BDs um at that time you had the the Tango Blast and then you had

the the Mexican families were out um they they were out at that time um then you had other little like the Pisces, mehiklays, whatever the case may be. And then you had like, which I didn't see it this time down, like such a predominant force, but this time down, like you had the city tripping shit between like the Houston and the Dallas. Like that would be their whole, their car. Basically, you would consider it a car would be a Houston car or a Dallas car type shit.

So that's basically how it was broken down. And then when the families got taken out the situation, then the, you know, the essays would have a table. The whites maybe have a table. Or they'll share with the Mexicans. If the Mexicans let them sit at the table, and then the blacks would basically have all the other tables. So now who do you end up staying with?

Do you stay with the whites? I stay with the whites for my first couple. I think it was like three months. I think it was three months. It was within 90 days because I was. thinking about the timeline after I had did Johnny. So I was kicking it with them for like three months because that's what I was told to do in the county.

Like everybody was like, bro, you can't hang out with us down there. You can't eat with us. Just hang out with your people. So when I started kicking it with the whites, because I'm a very straight up, like a straight and forward person, I had told them like during the time like, hey, I'm not going to get any, you know, Nazi signs or, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, looking the lightning bolts. I'm just hanging out with y'all because I'm trying to go home. This is what I'm told to do. I really grew up like this. Like I was very upfront and personal

with them how I was. And they were like, nah, it's cool, but they were still like trying to manipulate me with literature, giving me certain things to read. Hey, man, check this out right here. Hey, check this out right here. M.A. to M.A. correspondence. They would say certain things. one of them had really took like, I guess, like he really grew up fond of me because like not all the whites there were trying to be cool with me. Like they weren't, hey, what's up, Tim? How are you? You know what I'm saying?

Like they were like this pussy-ass motherfucker. Like he ain't, he ain't nobody. He ain't faded nothing. Like that's how they're looking at me like I'm a bitch, basically. So I remember I would have conversations with these guys and then I would go up in the cell and I'd be kicked it with my cellie who was half white, half black. And the reason why I say that is because I saw somebody in a comment and said, oh, what's that got to do with anything?

The reason why I bring that up is because, like, as I evolved as a man, eventually I went from being like a guy that, you know, was in a black gang. And then I became a Muslim later on. And then I wound up becoming a peckerwood later on in my life. So as somebody who has evolved through these extremes, the reason why I say that statement, because anybody who knows me knows I don't like labels,

but the reason why I make his mixed ethnicity known is because if it wasn't for his mixed ethnicity and his white daddy being in his life, he would have never even to fuck with me like that. Because there's a lot, especially at that time when I went to prison in 2000, there was a lot of black people in prison. It's different now.

They didn't like white people. Just not to like white. They would gamble on extorting white dudes. They would gamble on this shit. They would see a new white dude come in. They would gamble on it. They would do it to blacks too, but you would see the distinction that they,

for some reason, they just had a beef with white people. You understand what I'm saying? So with this dude being mixed, he cut it for me. So when I went up in his cell, we got super cool. you know, I would eat with them in his cell because I really didn't have commissary.

And the white dude's like, you could eat with your cell. He in the cell, but not out here. And we would chop it up and I got so cool with them over this time. I would tell him, hey, look, they gave me this to read. Hey, he gave me this book. What do you think they're trying to do? And he was just, he was like, brother, they're trying to bait you in. They're trying to pull you in.

He was lacing me up the whole time in the cell. And, uh, so that's basically like how the first. 90 days went and I was kicking it with them and then after that I think it was like the first 90 days. I was watching. I don't know if it's still a thing now. In Houston they have this rap show that comes on every Saturday called Street Flavor. I think it went to Flavor TV, some shit. So Saturday night, late night rack. I'm supposed to rack you up at like one, two in the morning. At Terrell Unit, they just leave you out till breakfast, till four in the morning, whatever, they wouldn't even rack you up.

It was wide open like that. Like you had like one, two, and three section. They would leave the crossover doors open. So if you lived on three sections, you could just walk all the way around to one section. That's how there were so many murders happening over there at that time. Because dudes could just, because they had open door policy. Like, you just go up to your door and be like this.

They'd hit, what's up? Pop my door trying to go use the restroom. I'll be right. I'll shut it when I come out. All right. it was just wide open like that. Like it was stupid wide open like that. So late night rack happened

and the rap videos came on, which I had already seen a million times. But this night, 3-6 Mafia had, they had that song that sipping on some scissors had just dropped. And I grew up listening to 3-6 Mafia. So, you know,

that song comes on and I'm standing on the wall. So even though I'm hanging out with the white dudes, I'm still not sitting at the table with them like that. Like, I'm not trying to align myself too close. You understand what I'm saying? Like, I want to align myself enough to them to buy me some protection. But then at the same time,

I'm not trying to get pulled into their web because every time I'm hanging out with them, they're trying to, like, manipulate me with stuff, with the things they say and they talk about. because, and I will say this, like, those guys, they weren't, like, prejudice. Like, when I was, like, asking them, like, why are you, they're just like, it's just preserving, about preserving their race or whatever the case may be. But, like, when you hear them say things, like, you would think it's like, when I was a kid

in the 90s in Waco, you would always see these Ku Klux Klan rallies. Every year they would have, like, a clan rally, and you would see it on the news. And you hear this country bumpkin white motherfucker. Like, you remember when fucking Dave Chappelle did that Clayton Bigsby skit on the Chappelle show? I don't think I saw that. For real? Oh, my God. You got to watch this so you can see the reference. But it was just the most asinine backwoods reason to dislike somebody. You understand what I'm saying? But when I would asked these dudes why they were the way they were, it was like educational.

No, we'll see, if you look at this and if you look at that, and then I would be talking to my celly, and I'd be like, look what these dudes are trying to, and he's like, they're trying to bring you in. And, you know, so eventually, long story short, because I'm not really hanging out with them and I'm hanging out over on the wall. And like how I told you earlier,

I'm not like a follower. I don't know how to like keep my mouth shut. too much. I can't play fake for too long. So like, hanging out over there and I'm just like, I can just tell,

it's, I can tell this situation is not going to last. So, the 3-6 Mafia song comes on and I cup off the wall and I go onto the TV. And I'm, they got these, they don't have flat,

they got flat screens down there now, but they had like the little box TV. So I'm, bobbing my head to the 36 Bafia and I'm like damn this is sipping on the serve I turn around and I look and fucking everybody that's in the day room is looking at me like what the fuck is this fool doing so I go over and I stand on the wall and I look and the one white dude's looking at me and he's like and I go over there and he's like man what the fuck are you doing I was like what do you mean he's like you over there acting like a fucking toad watching fucking rap video what the fuck you but he's not being

loud. He's just like, what the fuck are you doing? I'm like, I didn't know I did anything wrong. So go up in the cell. I tell my cellie what happened. I'm like, hey, man, this dude, he starts going off talking shit. He's like, bro, don't do that shit no more. I'm telling you. I'm like, all right. The week passes, they're all kind of acting funny towards me. I'm talking to my cellie. Like, I'm like, what would happen if I didn't hang out with them and I hung out with y'all, would I be accepted or would it be allowed or would it be this? And so this is like a process. You know what I'm saying? Like people think when they hear this story, they're thinking like this was all real quick decisions. This is like stewing over time. And I'm an 18 year old kid playing with grown men who've been locked up 18 years, 20 years, you know, since the 70s, the 80s that, you know, they're not playing.

You know what I'm saying? Like we're playing chess with your life right now. Because I'm between these these dueling characters that I have. So when I tell him what's up and then he's like, he's like, man, don't do that no more. So then the whole week passes and like they're making little, I can tell they're making like little slights. They're like, oh, look at that fat black ass looking in the magazine. Oh, we know you like that, bro.

You know, you don't what I'm saying? Like little underhanded, slight handed comments like that type shit. So I'm like, all right. So I just basically started hanging out on the wall And I'm chilling on the wall This week next weekend comes Rap video comes on And my cellie, we were talking

And then he basically just told me He's like, hey bro, if you decide to do your own thing Like and hang out by yourself He's like, oh Just know I got your back As much as I can have your back He's like, you know, you're still going to have to handle your business Or whatever

but as long as you're handling your business like a man, I got your back. Like I ain't going to let nobody run over you. And by this time, this dude, you know, he's a big shot caller with his people, with the Houston car. You know what I'm saying? He's pushing big tobacco. He's got guards on his team. You know, he's the man. So his word is good.

So I'm like, I'm like, all right. So that's probably one of the reasons why I had the balls to do what I did. So the next weekend came on That 3-6 Mafia came on And now I went on there And I started watching it And then like you know Like the big like I think they're like five gallon

Ten gallon buckets from like Lowe's or Home Depot They're like that big Or every weekend they would have two of these motherfuckers They would have one It would be nothing but a fish spread Fucking Tuna fish and Jack Mac Macro And this one we had canned goods back then

So you're talking about this much filled with fucking rice and fish and soups, stacks of tortillas that they didn't pulled out of the kitchen. Then the other one would be all like barbecue, roast beef, chili with beans. So when I turn around, it's like, you want a taco, Selly? I'm like, hell yeah, and I knew right then and there when I took

that taco, I fucked up. So I eat, I see the couple of white dudes that are out looking at me. I go over there and hang out on the wall, but nobody says nothing. Well, then, breakfast time comes. And that same white dude that I'm telling you about, I go over there to go and, like, walk with him.

And he's all like, hell no, you're on your fucking, oh, no. You want to fucking be a fucking tow, wigger, woo, fucking nigger lover, you know, not trying to disrespect nobody just for the story. You know what I'm saying? That's, you know, not, not like, this is just how prison is. You know, you fucking woo and he's talking, this dude's fucking yote. Because they had got me, like, on the bodybuilders team with them.

you know, and he's all like, and he's basically like pushing his finger in my chest. Dude's like six, four, he's a big, big boy. He's like, we fucking looked out for you. Oh, da-da-da-da-do. You motherfuckers could have ran in your cell. We protected you. Just how you shit on it. He's like, you're on your fucking oh now.

Get ready. You're about to see what prison's about. And I remember I went in my cell. And before I would even tell my celly anything, I would be nervous about even telling him in anything because I don't know. who to trust. I haven't been here that long. I haven't earned any stripes. So I haven't, you know what I'm saying? And prison's all about like, especially in Texas, it's all about being a man or, oh, you, you ain't a man, you a host, especially at this time. So like, I don't know if I can really trust this

dude because he's not white. Like, I don't know where the game is coming from. You get what I'm saying? Like, I'm just trying to explain the mental toil that I was going through as an 18-year-old kid. understand what I'm saying? And I told my cell that I was like, I was like, hey, bro. He's like, what's up? And we were sitting in the cell for a minute after breakfast. And I was like, I was like, bro, he fucking, they told me I was on my own. And I was like, what do I do?

What do I need to do? What do I need to prepare for? You know, lace me up. So he's like, well, they're not going to do nothing down here to you because they have to talk to me. He's like, because they can't come in this cell. and whoop you in the cell because they have to get permission.

So if they're going to try to do anything of that nature, they're going to have to take you somewhere else because I ain't going to let them come in the cell. He's like, so they're going to try to get you out at the furniture factory. So at this time, I'm working out at a furniture factory building like face frames for cabinets and shit like that, like doing stuff like that.

And dude, I think maybe two weeks passed. Two, three weeks, something like that. I basically forgot about the shit. It was like the first time in the 90 days I'd been there, I'd felt free, I guess, right? You know what I'm saying? So I was like, I like forgot about it.

And the white dudes at the furniture factory were acting normal with me when they would see me, what's up, Tim, what's up? They were just being cool. So I'm like, well, I guess everything's cool. So, uh, I'm over here. I got like this is electronic table, I mean, a hydraulic table that I put, these frames on it and locks them in and then I got this like cheap little tack nail gun I

stick all the little deals together so um dudes coming and like hey look out to him and I turn around and these four white dudes I'm like what's up and um they're like oh you want to come smoke a joint with us after count and I'm like yeah hell yeah I'm like all I bet after count we'll come back we'll get you I'm like yeah and as soon as I said that like you ever like said something and then you just realize why the fuck do i say that shit man and that was just like that i was just like why the fuck did i do that i i because i felt dread so after count these dudes come to get me and when they come to get me i'm on my machine doing my deal you know look out tim you ready wool and when i turn around and i look at them because now they might have had that

look when they had addressed me the first time and i didn't see it because i just wasn't really thinking. But when I turned around and looked at them, you know, I was in my, I guess, survival mode because I really didn't want to go and smoke with them now. Because I'm like, what the fuck am I doing? I'm tripping. I got to find a way out of this. That's what I'm thinking. And when I turn around and I look at them, man, these motherfuckers, they just look like the best description is like fucking wolves. Like, you just see it. You feel the energy. You can tell, and I'm an energy person. So you just, you fucking, you, you felt So I'm looking at it.

I'm like, fuck. They're like, come on, bro. And as soon as I started to take a couple steps towards him, I remember one of them, his eyes went past my right shoulder. And where I worked at, it had these shelves. The same type of shelves you see in Home Depot are lows, the orange and gray shelves that they stack everything on. That's what's where we're in.

We're in these type of aisles. And I follow their head back, and I just see these black dudes come from behind the thing. All of them, they all got their shirts off. and then I just like turn and I look and I look at them they start saying what's up to him what's up here? I'm not like, no, what's you're trying to do?

What you're trying to do to the white boy? Trying to smash the white boy out. So that crypt dude that I was handcuffed to on the bus his cousin, they paid him or they were going to pay him to watch out for them when they brought me back there in that spray room to smoke that bud and they were going to maybe smoke with me, maybe not, I don't know,

but they were going to smash me out. They were trying to get me light flighted off the farm. That's what they were going to do. And because they were trying to, because lunch was about to happen. So I guess that was their goal for them to smash me out and me not to get found or something because it would leave me back there in that room behind those vents. Like, they don't go back there like that. So there's no telling when they would have found me.

You understand what I'm saying? Well, because that dude always seen me talking to his cousin. all the time, even though he had said yes to them, he went to his cousin and was like, hey, that white boy that you talk to all the time, are you going to ride for him? You fuck with him. And he's like, yeah, that's my, that's my dude. I'm going to fuck with him. He's like, yeah, but are you going to, I find all this out later.

He's like, are you going to fight for him if it's like that? And he's like, yeah, what's up? So he tells me. So he, in turn, tune tells, because, like, the furniture factory was like racist, like segregated as fuck. So like the black dudes, I ain't like trying to sound like an asshole. They would basically put them in the section where they couldn't fuck anything up. Or if it like would get fucked up, it could be fixed.

They didn't put them on any of the serious jobs. I guess that's like they didn't get to really cut anything or any of that nature. So fucking, they were all in a certain group. So when they heard them talking, those Houston dudes walked over there and they're like, what's up and then just by coincidence and they're like bro these fools are trying to smash out Tim and they're like oh hell not win and then that's when they so they came from behind the fucking uh the uh the uh shelves with them to Cripcats so they're like this was gonna happen y'all gonna get the back dorm right now and then after he fade y'all if he fade y'all

then y'all don't fuck with him again if y'all do then we're gonna ride on y'all and they're like but if he breaks it is what it is so like in texas a back door is uh so you got like heart checks and you got back doors so like a heart check is like a timed fight right you fight multiple guys for however many however many seconds type shit where a back door is it's the same thing except there's no time so you're just fighting for rounds and that's what the dangerous thing about the back door is is you know is like basically like some Navy shield or Army Ranger shit, but just with grown men fighting each other. You know what I'm saying?

Instead of working out. So I'm like kind of like standing sideways like this basically. I'm looking like like shit, get after it, homie. And I remember I had a white t-shirt on cut off at the sleeves that one of those white dudes gave me. And I remember I took that bitch off and I was in my black TDC boots, my steel toes. They call them Brogan's. and the bottom is like this rubber and the floor is glossy

because it's fucking waxed or whatever so you're not like you're getting like the best grip and then me and the first dude so there's four of them so me and me and the first dude and I don't even know why we fought wasn't like he was just closest so when I turned and took my shirt off and through it I just started walking towards him so me and him

we started doing our thing we're banging it out for a minute I don't know how long he wasn't too much bigger than me And so like that fight I think it was an even fight He might have got the best of me But he didn't really have himself shit And he wasn't built really good either But we banged it out for a minute

And then the next guy came So I fought all four of those motherfuckers Like back to back And for rounds And the laws knew that this was happening You know what I'm saying So the last dude I fought And not that this matters

but he was, I think he was on the power lifting team. He was fucking yoked. And I fought big guys in prison that didn't hit hard. So like that size shit don't really be mean. And nothing. Little guys usually hit harder than the big guys in my experience. But man, this motherfucker was just hitting me with fantasy shots. Like I didn't have no more, no more juice in my shoulders.

So when I was trying to punch, I was like throwing my body like that. like just leaping into it, then he's just sidestep me, boom, fucking rocking my shit, dude. I got a scar. I think it's here or there. I got one here, one there. Then, like, if I was just shaved my head,

like, pull my shit up. I got two up here. And that's all from that incident right there. Oh, shit, got my ass. Well, by them fucking, I remember I was leaned over. I'm leaking. I can't even breathe. Fucking noses.

Oh, fucking leaking. blood. I got blood coming out of my mouth. And I remember I was leaned over. Blood's coming off my head and onto the ground. And I was looking and he, I remember he was like looking down at me. And he's like, you breaking? You breaking? And it was weird because he was so much bigger than me. But like when I was bent over and leaned on my knees and when I looked at him like that, it was like he was up under me. Like instead I should have been looking up to him. He's down. He's like, you breaking? You breaking? And I was like, no. He's like, come on, motherfucker. And I just remember I started crying.

And I was like, when I was young, when I get really angry, I cry. And I remember I was like, I ain't sucking nobody's dick. I ain't washing nobody's fucking boxers. Y'all got me fucked up. Y'all going to have to kill me in this bitch. And I just started like lunch, throwing my arms like that. Like, I just remember he just sidestead me, bow. He backed up a couple of times and just sidestead me, bow.

fucking stumbled over. I came back. He looked at me. He's like, you break in? I was like, nah. I was like, you want to kill me and this bitch dog? And he's like,

I'm fucking good. They walked off. And that was the first real drama that I had had over there was that incident right there. So after that incident, then I was, yeah,

I was hanging out with the blacks. I guess. Well, I mean, yeah, I was, but I wasn't. I was still hanging out on the wall. You understand what I'm saying? I wasn't clicked up

with anybody if that's, the real question you're trying to get at. Now, why did the whites even allow you to be sold up with this guy to begin with it that we're going to have a problem with you eating with him? Because they don't, in Texas, they don't do that here. They don't control it? They don't control the cell situation.

When you go to like those little transfer units like gory or diagnostics, like the bird, they put you in the cell with your, I don't even think they do that there no more. Because, like, yeah, I think Wassely was black. So it's not like the feds where they have control, over it or other states how they have control over it that would probably solve a lot of problems in Texas prisons if they did that I heard some units will let you do that depending on who you are

I've never seen it I've never seen it I've heard of it happening never seen it never seen it never so now the white guys leave you alone after that yeah they stop fucking with me all together don't say one word to me don't bad I don't even look at me my life my life my lying until you walk straight past me to the toilet that would be right there on one row, walk straight past me to not say one fucking word to me. And are all the blacks okay with you hanging out with the blacks? No, hell no. There was a lot of blacks, like, there was a lot of Houston blacks that were telling my cellie.

Because I would have come home from work. I'd fall up into barbershop. What's up, fool? And there was a couple of them, like one of them, he was from Fifth Ward. And I don't remember his real name. but I remember he played basketball really good and he never fucked with me bro as a matter of fact

I ain't lying to you so him and a couple other black dudes they didn't fuck with me the whole time they didn't fuck with me until I went to the other side of the unit and then came back and was still who I was then there was two of them

they were both from Houston and they saw me in the child they're like what's up Tim I'm like you never said what's up to me but I guess maybe I'll like prove myself to them or something like that. But there was one of them. I remember from Fifth War, and he was like, bro, quit having that fool come over here and hang out. Like, you're like, don't do that because his whole thing was, is that in a race riot, who are you going to ride with? Because there used to be a saying in Texas that if you rode with another race, you were putting

yourself on the cross. So if you're a ride with blacks and you're white, if the white's getting to a riot with the blacks, you're automatically the first target. just like if the blacks get into a riot with the essays the essays if you're on that wing or whatever the essays are going to get you first because you're a race trader they're going to make a statement they're going to they're going to and then they say if you know like how i was a blood if we would have got into it with the crips the crips obviously would have tried to i'm going to let the white boy first you say it's a lot of pressure of you know you being with another you know are you really going to ride for them like

like that, you want them to put their neck out for you? You know, one white person setting off a whole yard because he, you know, is trying to set out, you know, change the natural order of things here. You know, there's a lot to consider in those situations when that type of shit happens. Oh, so no, there was not

a lot of black dudes that were cool with me. You know, at that time, when all that shit first happened, after that back door, man it was probably like 85 15 blacks not liking me and 15% of the blacks fucking with me you know so I was really I was really in a in a in a in a in a see by myself you know as an 18 year old kid how long do you stay in that unit for my whole time oh you did the whole amount of I did my whole time there there was no way to work yourself down or

They don't have that here in Texas So whatever you go to You're there So guys will try to do like a hardship Like say their family members here Try to do like some medical shit To the way that they can get approved Because they're over

I think 500 miles away Or some shit like that Or they'll try to go to school somewhere else Or sign up for a program To get off that unit But otherwise if you get stuck on a max unit You're there So what's the incentive to stay out of train?

trouble or... Well, if they have these dormitories where it's like bunks, cubicles, or whatever, that'll be the incentive for you to stay out of trouble if you're trying to go out there because then you can basically have as much freedom as possible. But otherwise, the only incentive to stay out of trouble is you can make parole here.

Where in other states, if they give you five years, I think you just got to do the five or something. Where in Texas, if you get five years, if it's a non-agg five, you'll be up for parole as soon as you get it go in and get your CDC number. You're going to be up for parole within 30 days. If it's ag five, you're going to do two and a half years.

And then you'll see parole then. But they dangle that carrot, that parole carrot in front of your face. So you're like, man, I got 29 ag. And there's a lot of guys in Texas. I don't know how other states operate, but there's a lot of guys in Texas, you know, who got 69 ag.

and, you know, they're trying to make parole. You know, they're not violent offenders, and motherfucker am I got 10 DWIs. But his only incentive to stay out of trouble is to possibly make parole and get home to his family or to get moved out to those dormitory areas if you can eventually make it out there. Otherwise, the only incentive is you go into commissary.

When were you eligible for parole? So I had the eight years. I did. When I got down there, it was within the year. I saw a parole. And you don't make it the first year? No, they gave me a two-year set-off. And why is that?

Just for whatever their reasons are, for giving you a set-off. They had no real reason. I hadn't caught a case. I hadn't been in any trouble. I was going to trade school. You know, they gave me a two-year set-off right out the rip. So that means they don't see you for two years. Well, a year and a half are like a year and nine months

depending on when they bring you up and you'll go and see them. And it's not like other states where like you go in front of a board, like I've seen like on YouTube or whatever where they're talking to people and they find out their answer right then and there. They don't do that. Like say you're a parole person in TDC. I'll go down to the, I'll get a lay in to go to parole. I'll come down there if I've gotten trades in GED or diplomas.

I have all this in the package. I'll come down there. I'll give it to you. You'll assess it. We'll talk for a couple of minutes, if even that. And then you'll shoot it to the actual parole board. And then they'll vote on a fucking profile packet. They'll never meet you, never talk to you, never nothing.

So it's not even a personal experience as far as like, is that as concerned. But no, I got a two-year set off. And then a guard wrote me. a bogus case. Yeah. A racist guard, Miss Ring. I think she probably, she probably still works there. Knowing them. And after she fucking wrote me up, I got a one year set off because of her. And then I got into a fight with my celly. And then I got what's called a serval. So I saw parole three, two times. And then the serval just came in the mail, which which means serve all is you're doing the rest of your sentence.

They're not, but they'll still review your case every six months, but they won't see you. So like every six months, you'll get a paper in the mail saying serval. And you're just like, okay, I already knew I was doing a serval.

And that's how that went. So you never ended up getting parole? Yeah, I did. I got kicked out when they were doing a bunch of kickouts. I got parole. I came home from work. I was working on death row.

and just got done working 12 hours and came in, it was 6 in the morning, the lays like, you got a lay in, it was from parole at 8 o'clock. I'm like, God damn, they were making me go down here. I'm doing a serval. I mean, I only had like a year and some change left.

I had already done over six on it. Now, I still had to go do this dumb-ass drug program that they had stacked with that probation. And I told you they stacked on top of my eight-year sentences. there was this drug program called SafeP, so I still had to go do that. I didn't know it at the time, because when I wrote the courts,

the courts told me that I didn't have to do it. So I didn't know that I had to do it at the time. So I had over six years done, like I was almost like six and a half on the eight. So I didn't even care about discharging it. You know, I'm working on death row. I'm doing my thing. Been locked up all this time.

I got like mad respect from everybody. Even the laws, were fucking with me. Even like the racist, prejudice, biased laws that were in there and the good old boy system that fucked me over because I hung out with blacks

and everything else, even they all fucked with me. They all fuck with me. If I got into it with the guard, so I had it made down there. But no, so anyways, so anyways, the lady came out and gave me my parole answer.

And I just took off walk and I didn't even look at it. I was trying to, to get back to my pod before account. And I remember I was at the crash gate and I'm yelling down to the people to pop the gate. And then something told me just to like to look at the paper because I looked at the paper and it's folded

and I saw a highlight mark in there. And something was like, man, just look at it, bro. And I opened it up and it said I was being released that Friday. I was like, what the fuck? Holy shit. Getting about this bitch. What were you doing working on death row? Is that normal to get a job there?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. they got like the porters or what we call them SSIs down here or the shower crew the guys I clean the shower then you got the child hall guys but they don't serve the inmates themselves so I was uh I worked on death row twice uh the first time I worked on there was short-lived I was on the shower crew and then the second time I worked back there I was a SSI back there and what's crazy is when I got that job so when I was on So like, so, like, to break it down. So like, when you say you can't work your points down to get out of trouble,

so like, so say on a max farm, right, you'll have 18 and 19 dorm. That's the dormitory, the cubicles, which are off the unit. You've got to walk to them, right? And then you'll have on A side, you'll have three and four building. And then you have the other side of the unit, which is B side, right? and do you have seven and eight building so eight building is closed custody

which is like SEG but with the SELE so you don't leave unless you're handcuffed they feed you through a bean slot on the door you're 24 hours a day lock down unless you go to the infirmary or you go to fucking wreck

then you got medium custody so medium custody are for guys who fucked up too you only get four hours a day room. But then there's certain guys who are on medium custody, like, say you got an escape charge. They'll make you go to medium custody. There was no reason for you to even be there. But then, you know, you get to the three and four building. You get a little bit more freedom. You get out on the dorms. You basically have total freedom and escape from the politics of the building.

and what goes on on the building. So when I made it back to A-side, after going all the way to 8th building, there was a new warden. So I got fucked over by a lot of laws in there for hanging out with black people. Like on lockdowns, they would come through, they would only give my celly a Johnny.

They wouldn't give me a Johnny. I'm like, oh, I ain't giving you one wigger. What's a Johnny? A sack lunch. Oh. They wouldn't even feed you? They wouldn't feed me. They would fuck me over.

And before, like now they have ID, the IDs down there. You can scan them when you go to child, but back then they had meal cards. So it was like a calendar. I'd go through and like people would put like glue, wood glue on the meal card. And then when they would do a marker, they would lick their thumb and they'd get that glue off.

They'd get it off if it, and it would usually come off pretty good. And then it would go to the other chahaw and they would eat twice. So I would come through and then I'd hand you my meal card and you'd be like, man, you already ate a Leroy. I'm like, what? Yeah, I see, you ate already, Wigger. Go get out of here.

Trying to eat out and write you a case. Out of place, case. Ain't even eat. The fuck is even going on here. But there was a warden that came down to eight building and when they had come down there to run classification, he kept seeing me hang out with the blacks, and I'm working out and all that shit.

And I remember he came down And he called one of my homeboys over This vice lord dude He's in the feds right now actually He called him over there and he's all like Wallace Dude named Chris Wallace Like B-I-G

B-I-G, yoke motherfuckerger Always talking shit loud-mouthed motherfucker Man what's up with that snow bunny right there He's like, who you talk about Not that, that snow bunny right there He's like Tim He's like yeah he's like shit Go tell one of them motherfucking woods to come down here

get at him real quick see what's up with him when he went down there he talked to one of the white dudes who i was cool with i don't know what was said but i know when he came out of classification he called me to the fence and he was like why are you getting in all this trouble you got a non-agate your sentence you're going to do it all being stupid stay out of trouble i'll give you a good job and maybe you could do some Cadillac times since your time's almost up. So when I came up for classification, he let me up.

Now, when you go from closed custody to medium custody, you have to do six months with no case to go to minimum custody. So he's like, I'm going to let you up. He's like, give me 90 days with no case. He's like, and catch me in front of that chow hall and I'll move you.

And I was like, all right, 90 days came. I went around to the chow hall. I said they were doing classification every Wednesday, So I was like, hey, I've been out of trouble for 90 days. You're going to move me? He said, yeah, I got you. They said, I know I packed my shit. He fucking, they move me.

And then next to you know, I'm fucking going to Chow to go eat. And he calls me over there. He's like, hey, what you doing? I'm like, what's up? And he's all like, you want a new job? And I was like, yeah. And he's like, he did, for some reason I'm telling you this story is because all the laws that had been there that hadn't been fired or retired or hadn't moved around

or quit or whatever that knew me from day one. Like when I came back to A-side, they treated me stupid good. So he's like, I'm going to give you a job on death row. But death row is like a hustle job, a money job. And he's all like, just don't fuck it up. I'm like, all right. So when I told you that that lady, Ms. Ring, wrote me a bogus case. She wrote me a bogus threatening officer case because I hung out with black people because that's what she said to me. When she was new, she was an OJT.

So when OJT's write cases, they don't let their cases go through because their OJTs are on the job training. But her family was all working at that farm, so she had special treatment. So she wrote this bogus case, never gave it to the sergeant. She took it straight to the lieutenant,

which was her cousin. And he, like, moved me and everything to this gang pod when I hadn't even been to court yet. So he basically set this, basically precedent for my life. Because once I got moved over to 7 building was when, like, that's when I really started like becoming a gang member. I was already hanging out with gang members. And I was doing, you know, I was selling, you know, cigarettes, prison politics and shit like that I was, but I wasn't like, I guess official yet if that's what you want to call it. I might not

even even became a gang member if I didn't go to that side of the farm. You understand what I'm saying? I don't know. But they moved me to that side of the farm without me, not me even going to court. And then years later, when I get fucking put on death row, we're going back there as a crew to walk and he works back there on that shift and I know he does. So I'm like, I'm thinking to myself When he sees me, he's just going to fire me Because he fucked me over And as soon as he fucking see me

He's like, say, bitch And I turn and I look at him like that He's like, come here pussy I go walk down there, we go in the office And he's like, he's like We're going to have a problem? And I was like, what you mean? He's like, we're going to have a problem? I was like, for what?

And he's like, for that situation to happen with you and I'm just like, nah, nah, bro. So I'm trying to go home, dude. He's like, bet. He's like, I got you. And every Friday, he brought me free world food. Every Friday he probably, because they all, like, were eventually, like, respected me for who I was, I guess, or whatever the case may be.

So why did you officially become a gang member over there and not in the other units? Well, I wasn't even on any other units. I just got shipped around real quick, like one of my first. first night in TDC was at Gurney unit and then the next night I was shipped off to diagnostics and I was there for two weeks and I went to Gorey for five days and I hit Terrell unit

why did I become or houses, not units right? Their houses or you switch to that's what it's called. I don't know I mean maybe I would have maybe I would have maybe because when you're on A side there's more things going on or

whatever the case might be but I was hanging out with a lot of bloods all the time like that was like my main group of friends or me and one of them would hang out on the wall all the time and we had worked out together so it just like because there was a couple of them from Temple that we didn't know each other but I knew their family they had been locked up since the 80s

so it was kind of like the connection was kind of made that way where I'd be with them all the time we'd always be hanging out of out with each other and stuff like that because we're from the same, you know, area. And then just being with him. And then when I went to medium custody, one of them, he was older than me, a dude named P. Stone, a dude hit him in the face with the lock. And I wind up getting in that situation, which like back then, but it's also different

strokes for different folks, too. So you're not, if you're not a gang member, you're not allowed to speak on gang business. but depending on who you are and who you're cool with and if people like you, you can get away with some shit. You know what I'm saying? I'm sure you probably saw all that in prison. You know how it is. It's politics.

So I wound up calling out the dude that hit him with the lot. No, no, I didn't call him out. I called out the other dude. So after he whooped the dude that hit him with the lock, the next dude that he fought, who was way bigger than him, because Stone was real short, I called him out. And they kind of like threw everybody for a loop. They're like, man, but I guess leading up to that event,

I was already aligning myself with them even more because like on medium custody and closed custody, like gang politics are for real. Like it's, that shit's for real. Like, you can be solo. I could have did my time by myself. I didn't need to join anything, right? But I'm a big brotherhood person.

And I believe in having a click or an army of people with you, right? In any battle situation, right? Like, even with this, there's a lot that goes into this. You know what I'm saying? Like, you need a click of people where you can't do everything by yourself. You ain't fucking Rambo. You know what I'm saying? She don't work like that.

So just being on medium custody and then, you know, being cool with these fools and hanging out with them all the time. And it was probably a power play on my behalf. as well. You know what I'm saying? Because I was cool with all the guys that were making things happen. Even on A side, the guys that were having money, that were making money, that were the players, those were all my homies. And when I got to medium custody, because everybody that had knew me from over there, and if they didn't know me, they knew I hung out with their homie. So it was just organic. And then when the dude hit my homeboy in the face of the lock, and I got out there

with them because like, you know, I'm a very loyal person. Dog is probably a bad trade of mine. But like, if I fuck with you, like, if I fuck with you, then I'm fucking with you hard. Like, we're going to do, however it needs to happen is going to happen. Like, whatever needs to happen needs to happen. We're going to do it. Even so to this day, I'm like that, you know, I don't want to go back to jail. But if my best friend calls me and tells me somebody just molested his daughter, I'm probably going back to jail. You know what I'm saying? So, like, I'm just built like that. So seeing him get hit with that lock,

and then it wasn't like I thought about it. It just happened. I'm like, well, shit, since you just looked at my, like, because it was a bunch of fighting going on. So this fool's calling out this fool. This fool's calling out this fool. They're running in the shower. They're running in the cell.

They're over here. Adrenaline's in the air. I want to be official because fools are fucking with me. Then that joke, we, bro, why don't you get out? Fool, why don't you get out with us? But then, like, in Texas prisons, like, which it's really weird, right? So like, because these are street gangs,

when you go into prison, it's different if you go to prison and you get in a prison gang. You join a prison gang in prison, right? People, like, have more respect for you in Texas. But if you go to prison and join a street gang, oh, that fool's a penitentiary put down. Oh, fake-ass motherfucker, he ain't put in no work.

Oh, you're getting down? Why are you doing it now? Why you ain't doing it in the streets type shit? You know? And so there was that in my mind as well was how were people going to look at me. A, me being white, getting in a black gang. Even though I hung out with these dudes on the streets, like all my homeboys, eventually, like, when we evolved and grew up, all became, this is basically what they all were. I've had homeboys that are crips and stuff like that, too, and other things.

but that was like my predominant group. So it wasn't like I was somebody who came to prison and got cool with some bloods. And all of a sudden I want to start locking bees. I was locking bees on the streets when I wasn't a dog. You understand what I'm saying? So this was just, it felt like I was on the streets kicking it with my homies again. You get what I'm saying? So I guess I was just like, fuck it, let's make it official.

Like I got over the insecurities. Are people going to really respect me because I'm a penit's injury put down? how are people going to look at me? Because that's a whole new thing within itself. So after I called out Homeboy, and then everybody, they basically just gave me a pass. Dude, he didn't want to fight me. He's like, what the fuck you would, because he's like,

what are you doing, bro? And I'm like, bro, you did this and that. And it basically changed everything. So after that happened, some of the crib dudes on the pod were kind of, they were kind of fucked up about me calling Homeboy out. So the Bloods were talking, and they were like,

man, we might have to get Tim's back because they might try to, you know, they might try to jump them because they had like a no lose policy over there. And I had already whooped one of their homeboys who was my cellie, but they were cool with it because I had went to him before I had whipped them. That's how I got on medium custody. So we're all on the rec yard talking. My homeboy was like, hey, we got a meeting on the rec yard and you got to come to it. I'm like, all right. And so we're on the wreckyard talking. And they're like, hey, these fools over here, they want, they won't they want to look at you, but we're thinking it's going to get out of hand.

So we really want to back you up, but you ain't no gang. You're not a gang member. We really, so even the couple of dudes that I, I knew their family from the world that wanted to have my back, they really can't have my back because it's gang business now. So in order for them to really have my back, you know,

they were like, if you're, you know, they're like, if you're going to keep rolling with us, not like this, then you might as well get put out with us. So I was like, well, then fuck it, let's do it. So then it came to, you know, and it's another reason why some people don't have respect for like people who got put down in prison. Because it's like, well, is that gang even from where you're from?

Like, you're just joining something that's not even like where you're from. Like, what are you doing type shit? So the guys that I knew their people, their family, that's who I got put out with. So it was still, it was still even kept like that. They're like, nah, he's from where we're from. Blah, blah, blah, blah. And this is what we'll do. Our people say he's cool.

And I had already, you know, been in fights and I had already prove myself as a man. And now this is already almost three years into my prison sentence. If not three years into my prison sentence when I did this, when I joined up with the bloods. So how does that work? Did they just say, congrats, you're a blood now? No. Well, trying to think if I saw any, if I, if I, if I, I met other bloods that were penitentiary put downs. But I don't remember any other blood getting put down in prison.

So I can only speak on my experience. Now, I, I knew a crypt dude who got put down in prison with five deuce. And they did like 52 seconds on them or some shit like that. they backdoored them. I can't remember how many deep, but it was a stiff back door. I actually watched it because we were on closed custody. And we were in indoor wreck.

And in the indoor wreck, they got this like one little area. And, you know, back then you weren't, if people were fighting, you weren't supposed to watch. You ain't supposed to be in anybody's business. But I, like, angled myself to where I could watch it because I wanted to see it.

And they were fucking getting it in. They were getting it in. So with me, I think maybe traditionally, it probably would have been like a 59, because it was 5-9 bounty owner. But that isn't what happened because I had already went through that back door and I had already been through other squabs

and then I whooped my celly and that's how I got on medium custody. So when they basically did a vote, you had your yays and nays. People who were, yeah, cool. And basically everybody was, yeah, he's cool, whatever. I ain't trimming. I don't give a fuck.

He's cool-ass white boy. He ain't got no shit on his name. he's down, so shit, fuck it, let's rock with him. And so the people that were in the circle that were saying no, and the people that were on the other pods that were like, nah, nah, nah, I had to go and basically just call those people out. So if they didn't want to, if they didn't, they're like, I ain't locking up with them.

We ain't fucking with them. So we go to chow and then we're going to chow. Everybody's stunting on the slab or pulling some kind of stunt to catch up with their homeboy on another pod. so we're all stunting bullshit and the laws ain't saying shit because we're on medium custody you know they don't give a fuck

we're all seeing each other locking up with each other my bad locking up with each other what's up homie woo woo so that's what everybody's doing so it's like say I go to lock up what's up whoop whoop and then I go to like

lock up with you you can see the energy I'm like damn what's up you ain't fucking what you like that sim well shit I'm about to fall out of place then fool fuck it we ain't even got to go to child let's go back there and get it in right now dog you talk like, you don't, you ain't gonna respect me.

And then if, then they would either be like, yeah, let's go. Or they would be like, no, I'll respect you. I'll fuck with you. But I just ain't, you know, locking up with you. And pretty much then it would just, you know, be like, I'd have either, I'll just, you know, maybe try to talk some shit to save face or something. But I mean, if you ain't trying to fight me, you know, what are you going to do? But back then, you couldn't turn down a fight.

So now you can in Texas prisons. But back then, if somebody called you out, you had to. fight. If you didn't fight, it was a problem. Like, that's just how I was back then. So everybody I called out, they did have to fight. So basically what happened was, like, when there was cool laws on the building and this and that, because they had got their little cards, that's when I just go handle up. Hey, what's up? You can't fall out of place. What's up? You already know why I'm here. Let's get it in. So that lasted for probably I think that was like three months too.

Like the last situation that basically kind of ended it all was me and a dude that I was cool with from my hometown. He had led a double XL magazine of mine. He gave it away or let it get, he did something with it. I had something petty. And for some reason it pissed me off. And I was like, you know,

I think somebody had told me a story where he was like, man, fuck that white boy or something like that. So when he came down to my pod to clean the showers at nighttime, I was like, hey, fool, you fucking, you lie. Oh, he lied about the magazine. That's what happened. He said it got stolen out of the barbershop. He really gave it to somebody.

And then it wound up getting moved around. So then I was like, fool, you lied about my magazine. I want to look at that shit. The laws already said you can come down here. So when they do breakfast, because they roll the doors for breakfast at like 3.34 in the morning. So I'm like, you know, come down there for breakfast, we're going to get it in. So all night, he's going around politicking all over the place talking about me. This white boy, bitch, I'm going to have this whole walking with his boxers backwards.

This is the stuff that I'm hearing that he's saying. He's even saying it on the wing, I can hear it. And then my cellie, he's a blood. So me and my cellie fuck around, but I don't know how much is he going to fuck with me being a, new blood and me being white. So when we come out for breakfast, all of them are sitting down at the table. I'm on two row, the last cell.

And I'm looking down and I can see him. They're all down there. He's like, yeah, yeah, it comes down. I'm going to beat his ass. I'm going to spoo-boo-boo. I'm like, God damn. I was like, I'm about to get my ass whoop. Because I've been on the unit, this fool's got hands like a motherfucker.

So I'm like, I'm about to get my ass whoop behind a goddamn magazine. Fuck shit, bro. And I remember I was leaned up against the door, and I was just like, I was just extremely light. Like, I just felt light, like euphoric light. Like, I was just like, fuck, what am I doing? And I hear the door, uh, they go, oh, was I, 35 still? So it goes up 22 or 24.

Is it 25? I think I was in 35 sale, 36 sell, something like that. Oh, you're coming out for, coming out for, coming out for, breakfast and I took so you know the cardboard that be on the back of the notepads and shit like that like we had carved hands out of them so I was going like this and my cellie I'm thinking he's asleep the whole time and usually he's awake but he's laying there play to play in asleep and he's fully dressed so they pop myself I bring my clothes out I got my clothes folded on the floor I bring them out boom I put them and I got my gym clothes on and my rectinine shoes because we're about to fight

So as soon as I go to shut the cell And I'm shut it Man it's like some movie shit My cell he gets the door boom Pushes it open And he steps out And I remember all the bluzz were down there Oh what's up foo

He's like no I'm riding with the white boy And I'm like Alright here we go Now I gotta get a confidence booster I'm like fuck Every dog on the pod is turned against me over this dude. They're all sitting down with them,

talk about how he's going to beat my ass in the shower and whoop his ass. I'm going to take his shit, you know? And I'm like, fuck, boy, this is about to get bad over a fucking double. I should just shut up. Fuck. So when I get dressed,

instead of coming down the stairs over here, I walk around and I go down the stairs there, then I go over here to this blind spot, which both the laws, the floor law and the picket. They're already cool with us fighting. So he comes over. He's like, nah, nah, no, he called him the N-word,

we go up in the shower. And I'm like, no, I ain't fighting you in that shower. The shower's like this big. You need three times my side. I ain't fighting you in that shower. And you can fight good from what I've been told. I'm about to get whooped. So I'm just, you know, it is what it is.

I'm saving face right now, basically. That's all I'm thinking. So I'm like, nah, bro, we fighting right here. I'm like, the law is already cool with it. I even wind up having to go and hit the button. I hit the button. and the law comes. He's like, who's like, what's up, Grisheim? I'm like, hey, bro, you're cool. We fight, right?

He's like, yeah, do y'all's thing. Y'all are good. I'll flash the lights at the rank come down here. I'm like, bro, we're not going in the shower. Like, right here. And I'm really not good at arguing. Like, if we're home boys, I can argue with you. But like, if we're not cool, which now me and him aren't cool, I'm not good at arguing.

I'm not, it's just, it's nothing to talk about no more. Either we're going to fight or just not talk no more. That's how I look at it. So he's going to fight or just not talk no more. over there, they're all chit-chat and talking. I can't hear everything that's being said because it's across the day room, but it's quiet. And I remember him trying to say something to my celly, and then my cellie's like, nah, you talked to all this shit going around here all night. You've been talking all this shit. We got people shooting us kites saying you down here on this pod,

what you're going to do to him? Like, nah, like, go go do that to that man. And I just remember one of the other dudes, him saying, and he fell out of place down there. He was pretending to be on the shower crew. He wasn't. And I remember him saying, man, he acted more. He's like, what do you say? People don't get mad for when I said, but he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, nigga, something, something. Man, he's acting more of a nigga than you are. So the fool comes walking back over there to me. And they used to bring around these, Christian magazines, I think, like once a month, and they would set them on the table with, like, victory. One of them was called victory, you know, like the Copeland, Kenneth Copeland stuff and

or whatever that shit. So he picks up one of those magazines and he walks it over. I remember I'm standing at the table, like, looking right there. So I'm sitting at the table and I got my left foot on the seat and I'm leaning on my leg like this looking at him. And he comes over and he puts the fucking magazine on the table and he tap, and he tap, on it. He's like, and he's like, that's what I'm about. And I remember I just got up off this stool and I stepped back and I was like, well, come and get a fool. I was like, you're the one that's got the hands, bro. Like, come get your victory. I was like, I'm not arguing with you, fool. I was like, either we're going to fight or you just don't fuck with me no more, fool, don't stop by

by my cell no more. And he just walks off. He like hits the button and leaves. And after that, I had, there was no more, like I guess if you want to say initiation, process or anything of that nature. It was none of that. Did the white still leave you alone the rest of your bid? Oh yeah. They let once them fools from Houston said if y'all fuck with them again, like we're going to write on y'all.

They left that. That was, I never had any problems from them ever again. As a matter of fact, when I went into medium custody, the white dude that I told you when I was on closed custody and the ward went down and talked to him, he was on medium. him custody in that pod. So I'm thinking when I go in there, I'm about to have to fight these whites again.

And I see him, and I ain't going to say his name or nothing like that because I don't know how he's living his life. I don't even know if he's out of prison. But he walked up to me. He's from this little town called Cameron. And so I'm from Temple. So he walks in my cell.

He's like, hey, you Tim from Temple? I'm like, yeah, a big old motherfucker. And he's all like, like, say, bro, I'm like, what's up? He's like, I'm such, such, I said, I don't know who you are, bro. He's like, yeah, I'm running everything over here. He's like, uh, ain't nobody gonna fuck with you over here as far as, like, my skin color's concerned. And they'll say they have the statement.

I just came to my head right now. The whites, they have a thing. They'll say, they'll say, skin it. I'm like, I skin that. He's like, I skin that is. He's like, I skinned that. And I'm all like, I'm like, all shit, bad fools. So, any of my drama that has.

happened, basically my whole prison stay after that back door, it didn't happen with them. They just left it alone. I mean, they didn't have the numbers over there like that to even be trying to pull that game. So like, you know, and blessedly it happened like that because it couldn't, it didn't have to happen like that. It didn't. So what year do you end up getting out of prison for that first bid? The first bid was in 06, almost 07, a couple months from 07. And you did what about six years, six and a half years? Yeah, yeah, almost, yep. Well, over six and a half years,

because I got out, it was almost 07. It was like six years and nine months, I think. And what was your plan when you got out? It was to definitely break the law, for sure. So when I went, so I had been like a petty drug dealer or whatever, but like I never really liked selling drugs at that time because I felt like it was slow. So I liked stealing, you know what I'm saying?

Like jacking shit or whatever. stuff of that nature. That's just how I was, because to me I felt like it was fast, or maybe I liked the action more. You know, and then growing up around crack, you see how the junkies are. And, you know, it's, you know,

you're like growing, you used to seeing the lower level drug plays and stuff like that or whatever. And then you see who the big drug dealer was. But, you know, dealing with, like, junkies was never something. So anyways, when I get to

Safe P, which is a drug program, there's nothing but a bunch of drug addicts in there either fresh from the street. They got brought there by the cops or they've been in the county for a while and they got probation. And nobody there is from prison but me. But that SafeP program was the only one like that.

But the only reason why I got to go to that SafeP program is because the judge gave it to me on that. court date. So when I got picked up from the walls unit in Huntsville, which is where they go to execute the inmates at as the walls unit, they were like, we call out your name, you got a detainer. I'm not thinking I got a detainer because I had wrote the court system when I was back in my first year and they said, no, it's going to get ate up by your prison time. So I'm just sitting there like, I'm about to go home, good. And they say my name. So when I go over there, I'm like, what's this about and they're like you got to go to safe pee you didn't know and i was like fuck i thought that

shit got ate up i'm like god damn so the the one that i went to was like the probation thing so when i get there i'm around all these drug addicts this is when i start hearing about the methamphetamines and stuff like that and then i start seeing the money i'm like i was already selling drugs in prison or cigarettes whatever hustling so i'm like you know i start to learn things about stuff so when i came home, I had every intention of selling drugs. I didn't know how big it would become. I didn't have really any care for that or anything of that nature. I was like, I'm just going to get out and sell drugs. And I know I wanted to do rap music too. I was like, I'll be a rapper. I had this whole, like, record company. I just thought about that as I told you that. I had this whole

chain thing designed and everything. Like, I was like, well, I'm coming home. I got, I got the story to tell. And 50 cent was like a big thing at that time. And I was a big 50 fan. I was like, I'm going to sell drugs. I'm a rap. That's what's going to happen.

You know, so as soon as I came to the halfway house, a chick I knew, my mom still kept in touch with her, told her I was at the halfway house. So she just, like, pulls up there. What's up? My old day, what's up? So we started talking. So I'm like, where's your cousin at? And she's like, oh, woo.

And she's like, he's not doing good. And I'm like, what's up? And she's like, he's on that shit. And I'm like, what, what's he on? And then she told him, he's like, he's on meth. I'm like, good, call him. I want to talk to him. So.

And she was a dancer at that time. She was a stripper. So she's like, she's like, oh, like, what are you trying to do when you get out of here? Because when you're in a halfway house, you have to get a job. So I was like, bro. And then. they take all your money. So, like, I hadn't had a job yet because it was like my first day out. But when I had got my job, I had got a construction job. And I got paid every Friday or Thursday,

I think it was. Thursday or Friday, Friday. And they took all my check by like 25 bucks. So that way, when you stay in there for 90 days, you get out, you got a little nest egg of money put up. That's why they do that. So I was like, I'll have a little money put up when I get out of here. you know, I want to make some bread. And then, uh, she hits her cousin up, and then he winds up showing up, and he's all fucking twacked out on that shit. I've never even seen this shit before. I don't, you know, I don't know nothing really about it.

And, um, he comes in, he's all, all like that fucking big ass, fucking Dodge, 3,500 truck. I'm all like, damn, fool, you come up here all fucking high. He's like, I ain't even high. I'm like, why are you, why are your face doing that? that shit, dog. So I was like, hey, when I get out of here, put me on and hook me up with somebody. I know you know somebody, blah, blah, blah.

And he's like, no, I just do the right thing. And then I'm like, no, like, I'm not about to work no fucking job. I'm busting my ass for $9 hour right now. I'm not doing it. And I saved up my money and then stayed in a halfway house for three months and got out of the halfway house. And then my homeboy put me. on with this other dude that I knew.

I knew him from school. We weren't like cool in school or nothing like that. I didn't even really even fucking know him like that to honestly tell you the truth. But we went to the same school together. He knew who I was. I knew who he was. But I was really cool with his friends with the people that he was cool with. So when my homeboy calls him over to get some work from him, he just tries to introduce

late. It's him. And he was like, I don't want to fuck with him. because like I told you before I went to prison, I was a jacker. Like I would jack people who sold bud and shit like that. I would jack people. I was known as a grimy motherfucker. So he didn't want to fuck with me because that's what I was known as.

And I just came home from prison. So he's like, no, I don't want to fuck with him. So I'm like, oh, that's cool. And boom, so he gets that little bit of work from him. And we go to a trailer the next day. And we just sit in this trailer. So I'm just sitting there And I'm like

All right, so what are we doing? So he's like, I'm thinking like, we'll break it down in the little bags And have all this stuff ready Somebody comes and spends the money And he was all like, nah, you don't want to do that And I was like, what do you mean? And he's like, that's a manufacturing charge

And I was like, what do you talk about? He's like, just leave everything in one deal He's like, and whatever they want, then we'll serve them. And he's like, let me do all the talking So you can learn the game. because I don't know. The only drugs I had sold was Blunts, rolling up blunts.

You know what I'm saying? Three for 10 and four for 15 type shit. Like I had never sold hard drugs. And so he was basically doing all the like little dealing for me. And I was learning the game. And so fucking we were getting it going. I've been home for a few, been out of the halfway house now for a couple months now. and um

I remember he I was kind of getting pissed off because the plug wouldn't fuck with me I'm like no been fucking with you for a couple months now you think you would talk like you know me so fucking uh finally my homeboy talked to him on the phone

and was like when I was going to do a re-up and he was like hey like why don't you just know I'm lying to you he pulled up to do the re-up he went out to the car and he's like bro why don't just deal with Tim like he's kind of getting pissed off, you know.

And, you know, when I start getting pissed off, my whole, my whole thing is, I'm about to rob this motherfucker. Like, this, I'm about to, we're about to go, like, he's about to get stuck up. We're going back to his house and he's giving me everything. Like, that's where my mind automatically goes with this shit. So he comes back in, he smiles. He's like, man, go, go holler at him. So we go and chop it up.

He's like, you deal with me from now on. And he's like, in what you buy, I'll front you. So at this time I'm moving like a zip a week because an ounce of meth a week, not nothing major. But I'm lying to you. So I was moving, so I was moving ice, meth,

Coke, X pills and weed. I was a one-stop shop. But the Coke would never fucking sell. I wound up giving more of it away. When we'd go at nighttime to the bars and shit, we'd go shoot pool, try to meet people in the bar, you know, stuff like that.

You know, I'm giving, is it good? Can I try it? I'm like, yeah, go ahead, try it. You know, I don't give a fuck. I'm, you know, I'm cool like that. And, but nothing's really clicking, but this clear. The clear is finally starting to click. So he's like, what you buy all front.

So I'm like, okay, bet. And then I remember it was like a couple days later, this fool called me. He's like, where are you at? And I was like, I'm at the trap. He's like, about to come and pick you up. I was like, all right, bet. I just call me when you're outside. So he calls me, when he pulls up, he calls me.

He's outside. The Cadillac DeVille, they just came out with this new DeVille. He's in the fucking, I think it was like champagne, champagne color or some shit. I jump in the car. Even though this fool is like a big time dealer, he still, like, had a job. I think he did like sheetwreck or some shit. Because sometimes when I see him, he'd be dirty. And I'm like, why are you dirty, dog?

And he's like, should I work? I was like, for real? So he still had a gig. So I'm getting a car with him. He's dressed clean as fuck. I ain't ever seen this dude dress this clean. And we go. He's like, hey, I'm about to take you with me.

He's like, you cool? You want to ride with me real quick? I need somebody with me. And I'm like, yeah, bet. And I was like, do I need to go get my gun or what? He's like, no, and I ain't like that. I just want to have somebody with me. I'm like, all right, bet.

We pulled up to this apartment. And the memory he looked at me. He's like, don't ever tell nobody you came to this. fucking place. Nobody. I'm like, oh, yeah, I bet. So I remember we come in

and say this, the living room. To the left is like the little kitchen or whatever. There's a little circular table there. And then it's like,

just like the living right here in the hallway. So I just stand there and he walks down the hall and he goes to the room to the right. And I'm hearing, dee, deed,

I hear like a little turning sound and I hear unlocking like a door open. So I'm like not trying to like look. And then I kind of, I look and I see it's this big ass fucking safe. And this motherfucker, he's short.

He's shorter than you. Goes in the safe. Fucking comes out with these keys. Keys, it was Keys of Coke. I ain't ever seen nothing like this in my life. I've only seen like a couple pounds and pounds of weed. So fucking he puts the Coke on the floor. He gets some black trash bags, cuts them, puts them over the fucking table.

He gets a triple beam, puts the triple beam out there. He's like, you're still on parole, ain't you? And I was like, yeah. so he gives me a fucking mask he's like put that on put these gloves on and I was like I ain't got a report for he's like I don't give a fuck he's like put that shit on

so fucking he cuts the coke open and uh then he had two digital scales like one for him one for me so he cuts the first key open and prize off the top of the key

and uh I remember he's like I'm just trying to don't want to it to break. And he finally pops that bitch off. And I remember he shows it to me. And I'm looking at it. And there's a scorpion stamped on it. So I'm like, I'm like, what is that a scorpion? I just want you to know what this shit's got. I'm like, I don't fucking know. I don't. I'm like, all right. So we bust down them keys. I think it was like eight keys. And I remember, so we're popping them. So what he would do was he would place the full key on the triple beam and weight.

wrapped in everything, right? After we cut it down and we busted it up and we broke it down into the zones, say if the key was light, missing a zone or two, he had like write something down. I see him mark something down. And I remember he just got on the phone

after he did all that. He got on his phone and was like, hey, five, and they hung up. And then I was like, I was like, what was that about? He's like, I'm just letting him know that it was five zips off or however much off type shit. I'm like, oh, for real? And he's like, if it's over, I do the exact same thing.

So we just rode around simple when he's just dropping the dope off. I don't see him pick up no money, nothing like that. Come back to the apartment. When you go back to the apartment, we clean everything up, stuff like that. And then he's like, come on. So we walk back to the room and I just stand in the door. So he goes in, he goes into the same. safe and I see like these containers, they look like Tupperware containers wrapped in like

saran wrap. It picks one of them up. He comes out. He shuts that door. We go out. He shuts that door. He locks it. We go to the fucking kitchen table and he's like, he's like, here.

This is yours. And I was like, I'm like, what the fuck is this? And I can't see in it because like when they do the wrappings, they layer it. You know what I'm saying? Paste, whatever they let, you know, you can't see through the wrap. So fucking, uh, I'm like, I'm like, what is this? And he's like, it's a key. And I'm like, what the fuck is a key?

I read about keys, you know, but I don't know much about this. I'm like, what's in it? What's how much is in here? And he's like, it's 36 zips, you know, 1,000,000, 8 grams, you know, you know, what is supposed to wear, whatever, blah, blah, blah. So I'm like, fuck am I supposed to do with this? I'm moving an ounce a week, bro. what am I supposed to do with this?

And he was like, all of them people that are buying eight balls and teeners and quarters off of you, he's like, tell them, you got it for this price now. And watch what they start bringing you. He's like, you control the street value. He goes, he goes, he goes, he goes a brick, half of these, half of this, 18 zips goes for 10 bands. He's like, I'm giving you,

two for one for 10 you can't lose so i was like well how long you want me to come up with this money bro you know what i'm saying because i don't got it he's like just holler at me in two weeks i'll get at you in two weeks and i was like i back in my mind i'm thinking shit about the whatever i get off i'm giving i'm giving this motherfucker i don't want no parts of this i remember we get back to the trailer And it's my homeboy and his homeboy who had a safe in his house for that dude. So what that dude would do was, like say this was your crib, he'd be like, hey, bro, can I put us,

you got that extra room back there? You don't use that room? Now, can I put a safe in that room and put a padlock on the door? And I'll give you, like, 10, like, what I knew he was, the people that got caught, I know for a fact he was giving them 10 racks a month to hold a safe in their house.

And I know that because I saw the federal paperwork. Because one of the dudes that caught the case, he was the only one that they let out after he got his time. They let him come home, I think, for a week or something and settle his affairs. And he got my number from somebody and he called me and he was like, meet me at my job. And I met him at his job. And he fucking jumped in my car with the fucking vanilla, like the vanilla envelopes, the vanilla envelopes. And he's like, this is all my court paperwork. Who snitched? Who didn't snitch? This is everything. And I was like, well, he's giving me the copies of it.

And I was like, well, what the fuck you giving it to me for? I don't even know you. I've only met the dude like twice. He's like, because people are saying, I'm a rat, and you'll see who's the rat in there. And it ain't me. I ain't the one telling them. And that's how I knew that they were getting $10,000 a month to hold safes in their house

from that guy right there. And, dude, I remember we, so we get back to the house. I go in there and we go in the back room. They're like, what is that? What is that? I'm like, I'm like, I'm playing stupid. I was like, he says it's like a brick or half a brick. I don't know.

I was like, we don't have to break it down. But I already know we cut it open. And I remember we popped the lid off that motherfucker has these long ass fucking yellow shars. I'm like, oh, yeah, it's fucking stupid crunk. And exactly what he said to do is exactly what I did. And that shit just, motherfucker called me for like a tina or some shit. And I was like, I was like, yeah, man, I think I was selling teeners for, I think they were going for like 120 back then or 110 because with ice, you can sell it $10 a point. You know what I'm saying? So a gram on this scale is 1.0. So you can sell it for $100. Or if it's a 0.9, you can say, give me $90. Like, that's how you can sell it. So a teener is like a gram and a half. One point seven. It's supposed to be like 1.7, but people usually do like a gram and a half.

me, I was good of the game. I gave everybody the true weight. You know what I'm saying? I gave them what it was supposed to be, which is one of the reasons why I blew up like I did because I didn't do dope and I was a hook. I gave people what they were supposed to get. I didn't short them.

Or, you know, it's three and a half in the bag, but then when you dump it out, it's really 3.2. You know, you didn't jift them of 3 points. I was never like that. And yeah, fuck, I think I was selling T. for like 90 bucks or a hundred bucks, $110. I was like, I'll give it to you for $40 or some dumb nut, dumb number. They're like, what is he good?

And I'm like, yeah. And then I should just fucking took off overnight. Then that fool got popped, got another plug and just kept going like that. How much do you think you were making? Well, the one when I was dealing with the next people with them, I was doing like 10 to 12 bricks a week, 10 to 12 birds a week. And so we're doing like between like 120,000 to 200,000, like every 8 to 12 days. And what's the profit on that?

He gave me that. So you got 36 zips. If he's giving it to me for 10, that's only 36, 100 bucks. Because if you sell them for a, so at that time, never going for all at that. that time all day long they were going for 12 10 a thousand 1050 12 12 50 you could dump them off all day long so just say if i sold them for a thousand it made i said 3600 say i made 36 000 right and then off of that if i just wholesale them and that's that's 36 000 i give him the 10 then the 26 000 is mine and at that time they were going all day for like 12 1200s

1250. I was letting them hose go for nine. I was like at first I was doing like the even thousand but then I'm the type of person I want to see how far it can go. So I was like I'll do it for nine. That'll that'll keep I felt like it would keep the haters at bay and it would wouldn't bring me too much heat from stealing people's client's ill. So shit you got to think if I'm making just say we'll just keep it even steven like that. You're talking 26,000 times 10 it's $260,000 you're talking about every 12 days but it didn't break it down like that that's why I say there it wasn't a thousand zips because I mean a thousand a zip across the board you know what I'm saying like I'm getting the key you know what I'm saying for 10,000

I fuck with you I know you move five you know what I'm saying I'll give you the fucking five keys. So if I'm getting them for 10,000, I'll give you the five keys. If you, like say, if you can hurry up and dump off the five keys right now, I'll give them to you for 11,000 and just make 5,000 off you for a quick flip. Even though we're risking a major case, this is five kilos. And that ain't cocaine. This is methamphetamines. And it's at the height of meth when it was taken over and they will body slam your bitch ass for getting time. and I would just turn around and make a thousand off of you. So that's why I say it was usually about like the 120 to 200 mark

because of my wholesaling tactics. What about the Bloods? Are you still associating with them at this point? My homeboys from the streets, you know what I'm saying, that aren't locked up or, you know, doing their thing. I was writing a couple of homies in prison. One of them I'm still in contact with today. He was like one of the dudes that put me down.

you know what I'm saying. He's doing a life sentence for a capital murder. He had told me, even though we rekindled and talked, not all the time, but like he had told me, he's like, man, stop writing me, you know, do your thing. And I was thinking when I came on from prison, that it was going to, I was like, I like, I could be on some movie shit sometimes. Like I'm thinking, going to come home, all my homies are bloods. I'm going to come home from the joint, you know, blood, fucking, you know,

white dude got this status. I'm going to come home and I'm going to get this shit together and we're going to start making this paper and we're going to, I'm thinking it's going to be like some goddamn like big meech black mafia shit. That's what's in my head. But then when I come home, all my homeboys are either from the streets are locked up.

They're either working stiff and selling petty drugs and got baby mama drama or they're selling petty drugs and they ain't trying to be on what I'm trying to be on or they're straight losers. So, like, that whole, like, gang life type shit basically became like null and void when I came home. How long does your drug selling go on for? Shit, all the way up until six years, I get.

Well, I went back to prison in the beginning, January of 2014. So I was selling drugs from the end of 06 all the way until 2014. Wow, that's a great run. Yeah. How do you last that long? I don't know. I think flying under the... I don't know, honestly.

I think I just got blessed. I didn't deal with a lot of people. A lot of people didn't know my real name. I wasn't really flashy. My licks would protect me. Because the methamphetamine game, like, it's different now, obviously. like, you know, when I dealt meth, like blacks didn't even do meth. Now there's blacks in the meth game.

But there wasn't blacks in the meth game back then, right? And I'm not saying this to be on no fucked up shit, but what I'm saying is, it's like, we're human beings, we're creatures of habit, we notice things. And when you bring a methamphetamines, the first thing that comes through your mind is some fucking country-ass white boy working on his car and some goddamn overalls,

and fucking teeth and shit. You know what I'm saying? That's what you think, right? So like, um, uh, there, like,

damn, I was trying to make it, uh, my mind slipped. I was trying to make an analogy. And my mind fucking, but there was, so the people protected me,

bro. Uh, one of the people I brought up to you earlier when we were talking before we started the show. And she made a nickname up for me. And then when I, I came around, I never wanted to meet anybody. And if I did meet somebody new, like, say somebody you introduced me to, like, it would be a process. Like, it wouldn't just be like you

could just meet me and everything else. Like, it was, I don't, I don't know how I got caught. I don't know. I really don't know. Because, like, I even, when I be working out in the gym, there would be laws in there. And, like, one of them came out to me in the sign. He said, you know we know we know who you are right i was like what's up he's like you know we know who you are right and i was like i don't even know what you're talking about bro i'm just trying to sit in the sauna he started laughing and he walked out and every time i saw him in the gym we always said what's up to each other so i mean i know my name was ringing because there would be people in these scenes who were saying they were getting drugs from me and weren't, but my name was ringing. And I would have like my old

homeboy who I told you about, like once I started moving weight, I didn't mess with the smaller stuff anymore. And it's not because I felt like I was too big for the smaller stuff. It was because once you got a guy buying, you know, a half this or ate this and this, that. And it break in the way that the breakdown happens, you can't turn around and be trying to piece shit out when you got dudes buying wholesale. You're going to get left with products you can't do nothing with. You know what I'm saying? But there's always stuff left over at the bottom of, you know what I'm saying? Of the work, there's always dope. There's always shake, small shards, whatever. So those small shards depending on how much was left in there, which was the, the,

the shaking small shards usually was, if it was a pound, like say if it was like a half a key, you know what I'm saying, a pound, like, or 18 zones, say usually it was usually like, because sometimes I'd get them like that

where it would be, instead of like 10 bricks, it would be 20. You know what I'm saying? Because they'd be broken half. So usually it'd be like maybe a half a zip. And if it was a whole key, sometimes it was like a zip,

maybe a little more of that shake. All that shake, and the busted down shit, I would take that and I would go to that same area where I had started from and I would give them that shit. And they kept me in the loop on what was going on in the streets.

So one time there was a dude at one of those spots and my buddy was like, man, this is some fire. Or were you getting this at? And he's like, oh, man, my homeboy and he starts explaining me. So my homeboy back then with the grainie ass flip phone takes a picture of this dude and then sends it to me and then text me do you know this guy

and i text him back and i'm like i don't know who the fuck that is he's like this dude fucking saying he's getting work from you blah blah blah what you want me to do and then the same thing happened down here in austin too a stripper had called me and she was like hey this dude in here saying he gets work from you he's he's explaining you and everything i was like i don't i don't don't even serve nobody down there. So I don't know. I just think it was luck. I got a few homeboys that did their thing.

And I don't even think they've had a traffic ticket. How'd you end up getting caught? For the case that sent me back to prison, I got caught in a car accident. I had went and went to a Kinex house and I had got some ex-pills off of them for a party that we were doing. And my homeboy, he's got this, well, they don't have it anymore. They sold it.

But his family, and he was supposed to get it and he didn't. So anyways, at this time, it was his shit. So he had this fucking trailer out on like two and a half acres of property. But you had to go like a quarter mile to get to the fence. to get into the property and how Bell County works. Like you can be in Temple, but if you're like, depending on where you're at in the city limits,

the Temple Police don't have any power. It has to be the Bell County Sheriff. So where he was at, the only police that could come out there were the Bell County Sheriff if we were too loud because we weren't fully out of city ordinance or whatever with noise. So what we would do is we would go around the bars

in Temple tell everybody we were throwing a party and then if like some of my homeboys were out in Killeen or something like that I'd be like hey tell everybody we're throwing a party in Temple

so there was a dried out pond in the front of the trailer right and one of my licks owned a like gravel granite mulch company that people

bought shit from so I had him come out there with some sand and one of is like dump trucks and dump some sand in it. And we didn't fully level it off. It still had the dip. And we had fucking throw glow sticks out there. And then we had a deck built to the top of the trailer. So when you came out on the porch,

it wasn't like some like ghetto trashy trailer. Like it was a new, it was a double, it was really nice. And so you could walk up the steps. And then we had like the virtual DJ, you know, the little fake boards and all that stuff. And we'd be throwing dope ass. parties and we had have the gate locked and one of our homeboys or two of our homeboys, depending on how many people, we could see all the cars. We'd have them out there doing

security. So the dudes had to get searched as soon as they came in. So long story short, I'm picking up these exos for the party for party favors. I'm not selling them. I'm just going to give them away. My homeboy calls me, this spots his, and he goes, he's like, hey, where are you at? And I was like, I'm in the K right now, bro. I was like, I'm picking up these beans. And now I'm about to go get some clothes on the mall. And he's like, can you get some powder? And I was like, I knew the dudes.

I was, I knew he was a Kilo Connect from Houston, who was posted up in Kaleen. And I had met him through a stripper. So a stripper I was messing with, her homegirl was messing with him. And me and him started fucking around. And so anyways, I was like, let me ask him. Hold on real quick.

I'll call you right back. So I hang with the phone. And I was like, I don't even know if you do shit like this. I was like, but will you sell a half a zip of powder? And he is all like, he's like, yeah, he's like, I got some bust down back there. And I was like, I call him back. And I was like, yeah, he'll do the half a zip. And he's like, all right, bet.

I'll pay you for it. I was like, I got you. Get the half a zip. Go to get in the fucking car. And I'm in my burner ride. So I'm in a Toyota Corolla, bro. 88 Toyota Corolla, Burgundy.

5% tent windows, no hub caps on this bitch. Sun faded. Man, this is my flip, dude. It had 385,000 miles on it. But I had the horn taken out, the center part, the horn and everything, by one of my mechanics. So I could hide work in the center console.

but it was hard to pull off. So I pull it off. I put the beans in there and it's not a big space but I'm like I can fit the Coke in there. But this fool's about to meet me at the mall so I'm just like, man, fuck it. I put it in a cup holder

and I'll pop it back on there and I do, I pop it off three times but like I had like pulled my nails, bit my nails back when I did it because it was so, like it was difficult to get it unattached. and I was like man fuck the shit and the reason why I kept doing that

is because all day I had like a bad feeling that something bad was gonna happen like I just had a feeling of dread and I fucking put that coke right there in a cup holder man I remember I take off but I ain't even a block from this full shit fucking boom

Toyota Sequoia goes to fucking intersection and teabones me and knocks me and knocks me me out and that eventually is what how I get a dope case and then that's eventually what gets me probation and then the probation violation is eventually how I go back to prison. How much time did they send you back for? 15 years. Wait so they only gave you probation for that for that dope case.

Well the reason why they gave me probation for that dope case is uh so I'm a So I'm lying to... So the... I left a part out. So the neighborhood where I got hit, it was like construction. It was all under construction

and stuff like that. So when I got out of that, because I didn't tell you, I didn't tell the whole story. So when I get out of the car, I'm about to pass out, right? The whole left side of my car shattered.

I wake up, I'm slumped over. Fucking, the car's like smoking. There's blood all over. me, my hands got blood all over it. All four of my windows are shattered. The back, it's all crushed in. So I hear the car, like, it's like smoking. So I'm thinking the car is going to blow up. So I try to get out the driver's side door. It won't open. I crawl out the passenger side door. And I start walking. And I remember I had my phone in my hand. And there was blood on the screen. And I remember I'm about to pass out. And like the lights.

start flashing, and all of a sudden a little voice in my head goes, you got dope in the car. And I fucking perked right the fuck up. I turn around, I started walking in my car. I look in my car. The zip of Coke is right there on the floor. I'm like, fuck. I grab it.

Put it in some fucking, I think it was like some food or something, some trash I had on the floor. walk over there and just fucking throw it in the trash can. There's a construction dumpster right there. I go and get a couple other things and throw them in the trash can. I'm good. Ain't nothing happening. So I'm sitting there.

I call my mom because her business was right down the street. I call her. I tell her, like, hey, you need to come down here. I'm trying to let her know. Like, I got shit in the car. Like, I need you to come on. bro I'm on the fucking my mom's there everything and it's getting dark all of a sudden they got me on a gurney to put me in the ambulance and this fucking kid is like I seen the guy

throw something in the trash can and they all look in there like you throw something in there I was like I threw some trash like in my car just like I was like I know my car's total so I was just getting it you know cleaned out man the motherfuckers went and jumped in that trash can they found that dope I was like I don't know who's dope that is. And I was slick too because I, you remember I told you I had blood on my hands. So it wasn't a lot. It wasn't like my hands were covered in blood. So I like, fuck, I sat there and wipe my hands off and stuff like that with the tissue to put it in. As a matter of fact, it was a jack in the box bag. And I fucking got the tissue out of the jack in the box bag.

And I remember I threw it on the floor. I don't even know if I had blood on my hands, but I did this. My mind was racing. I had a very bad concussion. which I found out in the hospital when I had an MRI done on my skull and shit. So I thought I was being slick. So the whole time I'm like, and so after I throw it in the dumpster, I touch my face in my hand, my head, and I had a ball, like shaved head, like a ball fade. And I've got blood back on my hands. So I'm like, man, my hands are covered in blood.

Is there blood on that bag? So I don't even know if there was even blood on my hands, not that I'm thinking about it, but I thought I was being slick. So long story short, I'm on parole. I go to jail. My lawyer comes and gets me because I got a no bond for a dope case. So they try to get you to snitch or some shit when you catch a dope case, depending I guess on what it is.

So my lawyer comes and gets me, takes me the hospital. I'm out of jail for like two weeks. My parole officer calls me. Bro, I remember I'm in the middle of having sex. And my phone rings. Same thing I get this dread. And I remember I look over. at my phone and that chick

is like, what's you doing? I'm like, hold on, I'll pick it up. She's like, are you serious? It was my parole officer. But he's calling from a different number, but it was the 618 thing that caught me. I'm like, what the fuck? Hello? Hey, ooh, he's like, hey, I need you to come in tomorrow at 12.

I was like, you locking me up? And he's like, yeah. I was like, all right, he's like, don't make me look bad. I'm like, all right. But the thing is, is that even though they found the drugs, like they don't have no proof that I did anything. You got this one kid saying he seen me throw something in the trash can. You find it in a construction dumpster. So I'm in the county on a blue

warrant. So in Texas, when you're on parole, if they violate your parole, you get what's called a blue warrant and you can't bond out on it. I heard you can now, but at this time you couldn't. So I go and turn myself in. Man, I'm hiring firing lawyers like I'm changing socks. I ain't lying, bro. I had five lawyers on my squad, dude. I'm running through money because I got it. You know what I'm saying? Like I got bread. Well, there was a dude in the county. We're all up late night, one night talking shit, whatever, talking about our case.

And he tells me, he goes, you were already on bond for the dope case? And I go, yeah. And he was all like, he goes, bro, you know you can petition the parole board to hear your case. and if they think that you're innocent, they'll uplift the blue warrant and you can get out of jail. I was like, for real, he's like, I ain't lying to you.

So the next morning, I go and I get on the phone, call my lawyer. And he was like, yeah, that's true. He's like, but he's like, do you really think the parole board is going to fucking hear your case? It's worth a shot. I've been in here half a year.

man, my mom, friends, dude, I probably had like 10 motherfuckers called on a parole board multiple times a day before they finally listened to them in my case. They granted me a parole hearing. For some reason, like, so what the parole hearing basically was was like a trial, basically a mini trial, because anybody who was a part of the scene or whatever, they got petitioned to come, the cops, everybody.

So I was already taking my case to trial because I'm like, I'm not signing for shit. You don't have no evidence. I threw that dope there. I'm not signing for anything. So for some reason they don't bring the kid in. I don't know why. So when they go to bring the kid in,

he's the last person to testify, all the cops, all their stories were different. They had no pictures of the dope, no field test. they had nothing because they had put that shit back out on the streets that's what they did with it I'll even tell you how crazy

that that shit is like later on so anyways they go to put me so my lawyer goes do you want to they're about to bring the kid in do you want us to ask them any something I don't know why I did this and I said

ask them what I look like oh I know why I did it because somebody said they saw somebody take off running from the scene. So they were like, who was in your car? Who was in your car? And I was like, I didn't, I didn't ever hear it. So I was like, I would remember I was on the gurney thing. And I was like, what are you talking about? They're like, who was in your car? They said, somebody got, somebody ran from your car. So when I said, I said, let him say what I look like or what I asked what I look like. My lawyer, so I got my lawyer there and I got my parole lawyer

there. So my lawyer goes, can we put him, in another room and then the three parole ladies were right there and the lady's like, why? And he was like, well,

we want to ask him a question and we don't want him looking at my client. So they were like, okay, they take me out. I don't even think I was in that room fucking five minutes, bro.

They come back, they get me. I walk in the fucking room. Both my lawyers are smiling ear to ear. So this is I get the probation. So when I said, down. I was like, I was like, what's up? I was like, that was quick. What happened? And he is like,

man, they fucked up. And I was like, what's up? He goes, I asked the kid, he goes, Gary, ask the kid, what you look like? And I go, what do you say? He said, you're like this tall, kind of dark-skinned black guy. I said, what? And then it

came back to me, they kept asking who is this guy in this car? So, who was the guy that was running when I got, when I got in the car wrecks? I'm like, I'm about to play this avenue now. Now this is my angle. That was his work.

He ran. I was giving him a ride. I don't even know him. That's what I'm going with the guilty by association. So the lady reinstates my parole and lets me get out. And then probably like a year later, I go to start picking the jury. And the judge pulls me and my lawyer and the DA back in the judge's chamber. the day that we're supposed to start doing the whole trial,

start the pick of the trial, and she was all like, we ain't doing this. She's like, you better make him a deal. I ain't trying this case. Give him some probation, something he'll do. And the DA's like, I ain't giving him nothing. And she's like, the only witness you got is saying he's black. She's like, you don't have anything.

And then my lawyer took me out, and then he went back and started talking to him. And then he came back and grinning. And he's like, all right, I got you. deal, I got your probation. And I was like, I really ain't trying to take no probation, bro. And then he's like, oh, and it's 10 years. I said 10 years. And that's another 10 years from what you had. Yeah. And you have to realize. So I was on probation and parole at the same time. My parole has now discharged. So now I'm off parole. But I'm still on probation from my first bid for

the burglary. But now it's... getting up on time for that probation to be over with. So I'm telling my lawyer, I'm like 10 years probation. I was like, dog, I'm not doing 10 years on no paper, bro. Like, it's not happening. He's like, I'll get them to put in the stipulations if you do three with no violations and everything's paid off. They have to let you off in three. And I was like, get it in writing. And I was, I was fighting. I was like, no, I'm not doing that. We're taking this shit to trial. But I had told him that the dope was mine. So I remember he looked at me and he was. He looked at me and he was all like, what do you say?

And he goes, yeah, how do he say? But the dope, I was like, I'm not signing shit. Because he's like, well, if we go to trial, you know, for me to go to trial, it's going to be 15 grand. Because, you know, like, people don't know this. They're like, hire a lawyer. And they go hire, like, some $2,000 lawyer. And then it's like, but if you want to go to trial, that lawyer ain't charged you

know, 2,000 to go to no trial. You're talking about a whole other set of dollars, motherfucker. Yeah. It's a whole other game plan. So he's all like, oh, and I don't already paid him 10,000. So he's like, oh, you're going to have to pay me 15. And I had five lawyers working for me at one time. So I got, dude, my parole lawyer was 15 bands.

And he was the best in the state of Texas. So, he's like, he's like, but you're, what do you say? But your fucking guilt. The dope was yours. That's what he said. But the dope was yours. He like leaned in like that at the table. We're in this like little room.

the dope was yours he's dead now man rest in peace uh that was actually real good fucking lawyer scott man uh he because i was like i'll beat it in trial and he's like they're gonna bring up this they're gonna bring up that and i'm all like bro the kid's saying i'm black

and that's when he's like you're in bell county they got a 98% conviction rate and i was like you know i kept saying i was like he's saying i'm black he goes but the dope is yours he's like this is a win for you it's a win and that's when i was like, get them to do the three-year thing and I'll do it. And that's when I signed, that's how I got the probation.

How do you violate? Obscondering, basically, behind a child support payment. They gave you 15 years for that? For that. Bro, this is how fucked up it is. So, like, now you can pay your child support, like, over the phone or online or whatever. But back then, you had to go and get a money order. money grand Western Union

Western Union that money to an address in San Antonio then that person had to sign some paperwork then you said then you had to go

to where a fax machine was they signed some paperwork faxed the EU signed it and it was like a whole fucking process just to make a child support payment so when I was in the county them seven months they're supposed to stop

charging you child support while you're incarcerated in United States, period. But in Texas, they don't unless you file to get it stopped, which I didn't even know this from my second time. So the whole seven months I'm sitting in the county, they're charging me child support. So when I get out, they're charging me child support. They're charging me these seven months and 15% interest

on top of every missed payment. So when I get out, boom, I'm out, I'm doing my thing. Sheriff shows up to my house. Child support court. I'm like, the fuck's this about I'm going, paying them. I don't know they've been charging me the whole time that I was in jail. So when I go there, I'm in arrears. So they're like, you can either pay it off now or you can pay this.

So how Texas works is if you get in arrears and then you agree to pay $300 a month on top of the $500 you're already paying. If you make that agreement and then you turn around and don't pay those or don't pay that $300 a month on top of that five, either you better call them, tell them what's going on. But if you just like, then they'll put you in jail. So she was like, I could have paid off the arrears in court. Like I could have went and got a money order and came back and paid it. And I guess that was like some of the things in the comments.

That's what Johnny said about his, where people were like, oh, he had all this money, but he didn't pay his child support. And I explained it a little bit there, but I'm going to explain it here, the type of person that I am with this outlaw shit. Like, my big thing, like people say online or, oh, he's a wannabe. He goes from being a blood to a Muslim to a wood. No, that's just growth in my character. That's growth in who I am as a human being.

I've never had beef with anybody over anything, not a flag, a color, nothing. I got money with crypt dudes. I got money with folk dudes. I got money with anybody. I don't give a fuck. My main core enemy, which is probably what fed me also into being a criminal, is the government. I've always had a problem with the government.

I still do to this day. I'm not anti-government. They have way too much fucking power and way too much authority and they just get away with whatever they want to and they fuck everybody else over. Now, if they got held accountable for their actions, I might not be as salty, but I am.

Now, I'm going to get to the meta point of why I brought that up because people were saying this in the comments. So you charge me child support while I can't pay is fucked up. But I have ownership attitude. That's why I've never rated on anybody. I've never been a snitch. Never, I didn't even want to do the podcast thing because I felt like I was talking too much. But when you tell me to pay you money for, say,

we're talking about child support. I'm in jail. I can't pay that money. But that's my kid. So I understand I have a responsibility to that human being. So me going to jail doesn't exclude me from that responsibility.

So you want to charge me child support while I'm in jail to that kid and put me in debt and everything else? Fine, I'll accept that. I'll swallow that pill. That's my child. I should have thought about that

before I fucked up. But when you charge me 15% interest on top of my money, bitch, that's extortion. And that's why I didn't pay him that money. Because that's one thing that Johnny has said. And I said, but I didn't, I, you know, like, bro, like, you want me to give you my,

you extorted me. Even when I came home from jail this time, they charged me child support the whole time I was in jail this time, seven and a half years. I went to court, virtual court, in the county, when the judge said that my child support stopped. They charged me the whole time I was in prison, went to court. It took like six months of me going to court.

Child support lawyer cost me 10 grand for four judges to see my case. And check this out. How do three women judges say they refuse to grant that back pay to my ex and the one male judge? It had to go through four judges To get dismissed The one male judge Grants her the back money The three female judges

Said no because the child support Was supposed to stop And the dude gives her the money So now I'm like $50,000 in debt Because they charged me the whole time That I was in fucking incarcerated So I'm damn near dealing with the same shit now Except now they can't fuck up my show

So anyways how I caught the warrant Was I had agreed To pay the arrears a monthly payment until I got the arrears caught up. So I was doing that. Going with the money orders, sending the money order. So the one time that I mailed the money order off, the lady, the child support lady, has me send it to Austin. I was like, they always have me send it to San Antonio. I had the address memorized. I was like, such, such, such, that's always where it went. She's like, no, you can send it here. So I go there, go to office max, do the whole

facts and back and forth shit. Child support rejects the money. They send the money back to Western Union. Western Union never even calls me and tells me that they have the money. So like six weeks goes by, a fucking sheriff knocks on my door. I'm like, what the fuck? Open up the door. And I'm like, I'm like, what's up, bro? Now, you want to know what's crazy? Remember how I told you I burglarized the sheriff's house? You would think that when I came home from prison, like the sheriffs and the constables, they wouldn't like me if they know me because I'd rob their boy. A lot of them were like, they hated that motherfucker. So when they would deal with me, even still to this day, if I go back to Temple and some of

the OG sheriffs or constables, if they still see me, they'll come, what's up, Tim? They'll shake my mind. So he came there with a warrant for my arrest. He's like, hey, bro, you got a warrant for child support. I was like, what the fuck? I was like, bro, I pay it. He goes, I'm not taking you to jail. Take care of your shit, bro.

He's like, I ain't going to fuck your day up. Tim, I know you take care of your business. So boom, I'm calling child support. Finally, I get through. You know, you know how long it takes. Now, if you call child sport, now in Texas, you'll fuck around and be on hold for two hours. And they'll hang up on you, and you got to call back.

It's crazy. So, like, fucking, I get through to the lady. I got all the paperwork in front of me. So I'm like, hey man, I'm like, what happened? And you're saying y'all didn't get y'all's payment. I paid y'all. So the lady is going through everything. And she's like, they rejected the payment.

So she goes, call Western Union real quick. She gives me her cell phone number. She's like, right, right, call me back. Call them and see if they got your money real quick. So I call Western Union, they got my money. They said, I can come and get it. I might bet. I call a lady back.

She said, look, since we fucked up, go get that money right now and come down to the Williamson County Courthouse. You're not going to go to jail. And I go, okay, I think it was like a Thursday. It was towards the end of the week, I remember. Because I was like,

how long is it going to take the warrant to uplift? And she said three business days. I think it was Wednesday. Because I was like, damn, it ain't going to be to like Monday or Tuesday. And she's like, yeah. And I'm like, I, boom, go get the money. I start punching it down to Georgetown. My phone rings.

It's the probation office. I know it's the probation office number because it starts with the 618, but it ain't my PO. So I'm like, the fuck. And at that time, parole and probation, for some reason, their numbers, damn there started with 618 when they were calling from the office,

like the office phone. So I picked up the phone, and I'm like, hello? Oh, Timothy. Like, yeah, who's this? Oh, it's Officer Martinez. Probate, Bell. County Supervision Department. I'm like, all right, yeah, what's up?

Yeah, Ms. Sanchez is out of town. Yeah, I'll see you got a warrant. Come across my screen. And I was like, nah, so I break everything down to him, right? I tell him a whole spiel. And he's like, yeah, that don't even matter. He's like, you can't violate probation. What I didn't know in the state of Texas,

you can't violate probation or parole with the civil case. They cannot violate, they can't send you to prison. they can't violate it behind a civil case. It has to be criminal. I don't even know this. So fucking, he's like, yeah, he's like, I already talked to the DA. He's like, they're going to give you 10 years.

You know, I was like, 10 years. He's like, yeah, there's no plea bargain. You're getting the max. We already went to the judge. Everything's like, so just go ahead and come turn yourself in. And I was like, the warrant will be uplifted in Monday or Tuesday. Bro, what are you talking about? I was like, I can put you on the phone with the child support.

I can give you your cell phone number. He's like, I don't want none of that stuff. And me, instead of hanging up the phone, calling him a lawyer or my lawyer, asking him what's up? I freak out. Fucking turn around, start heading back to the house, call up my homeboy who had been wanting to buy my fucking, I had like an old school 88 Caprice, classic brohand that I had rebuilt and I had it on rims and shit. And I called him.

I was like, you want to buy the car? And he's like, yeah. And I'm like, what are you going to give me for it? And I think he offered me like $2,500 for it. And he's like, oh shit, I get you like $2,500 for it. I'm like, $25. I'm like, my fuck, you know how much money I put in this car? He's like, shit, Tim, you're selling the slab.

You, shit, you got to be going on to run. You need that money? Ooh, I started laughing. I'm like, bro, me at the house. Come bring the money. I'm going to give you the title and everything. I get to my house. I called my landlord.

I got a bunch of brand new shit in the house. I was like, hey, bro. He's like, what's up? I was like, I got to break my lease. And he's like, why? I was like, I'm going on to run. He's like, for real? And I was like, yeah.

And I was like, so I don't want you to fuck up my rental history. He's like, I ain't going to do that to you. I said, so what do I need to give you financially to make everything right? I was like, and then there's another. problem. He's like, what's up? I said, I'm leaving tonight on a plane. So everything that's in this house, I can't get rid of. So what all do you want? I can pay somebody to come over here and clean it out and get it out so you're not having to do it or pay somebody. I was like, but let's figure this out. And he's like, all that brand new shit in your house you don't want? I said,

he's like, can I have it? I said, you can have it. I have it all. I was like, how much money do you need to make up for all this and stuff like that? And he's like, you ain't got to give me nothing? And he's like, just leave me everything in your house. I called my homeboy up. Oh, white collar, clean cut kid, good friend of mine where he runs a bunch of restaurants down here. He just moved back to Texas from Vegas. He's a chef. I text him. I said, oh, because I I know he's busy and stuff, so I'm like, I'm like, hey, I need you to call me ASAP. So he calls me. He's like, what's up, bro?

And I was like, I was like, hey, I need you to get me a plane ticket, a one-way plane ticket right now. I said, you can't tell nobody. You ain't seen me. You ain't this, nothing. I'll give you some money. I was like, but I got to go. And I need you, you get me a one-way plane ticket. And I need you to take me to the airport.

And I'll pay you for all your trouble. but the main thing I just need you just shut up. And there's a million people I could have called. But the thing is, is that he's not a street guy. He's a clean-cut guy. He works. And on top of that, I just felt like he was a G like that. Like, he just ain't going to say nothing to nobody, and he didn't.

So he got me a one-way ticket, and I fucking dipped. I was gone for like three years. And then what, you came back? I got busted. Where'd they busted? In Ohio. Oh, you went back to Ohio. And I was up there and I was moving,

I was doing rap music and moving, moving bricks of bud and shit like that. It was making a fucking killing out there, dude. And, man, I don't know if I was set up. If somebody, because my uncle knew, he was the only one that knew I was on the run. And because I was doing rap music up there, I was going by Frank.

So, like, nobody knew my real name. you know, and people fail to realize they think, oh, I'll just get up and move and go somewhere. And it's like, okay, you get up and leave and you go to another state, even if you have family there or not. Bro, people are going to start asking questions. You go to the bar, you get a job.

Where'd you move from? I moved from Austin, Texas. Why did you move here? Who do you know here? Why did you come? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, questions are asked. So like, I don't know if my uncle slipped up and told somebody something.

He shouldn't have told somebody. But like they did checkpoints. Like these D, DWI checkpoints in the middle of the day in Ohio. I remember what's happening real bad across the United States a lot. So they got these DWI checkpoints in the middle of the fucking day. So it's like, it's like, man, what the fuck? So I'm always online looking for these checkpoints. and my mom was too.

So my mom will call me. She's like, hey, you left your house today? And I'm like, no, she's like, hey, they got a checkpoint over here at this time. You got a checkpoint. And then, like, another thing that we both would do is, like, every day we would get up and check the internet to see if my, my, like, if you type my name, if it popped up that I was wanted. It took a while. It took like almost a year, dude, like nine months. I remember my mom called me.

I picked up the phone. She's like, what are you doing? I think I was walking or something walking, what's up? It's online now. I was like, five. But, so anyways, I remember reading, because I would get up, like say,

if I, it was right now, I was chilling, so it's, what, it's 3.35. So I can get online. 335. I'm stupid. Today's date is the 15th, 16th. So I'd be like 7, 16, 2026. Columbus, Ohio drug news.

I would always, every day when I was sitting around, I would search up shit that was going on that I felt like would insulate me or protect me and what I was doing. So Obama was president at that time and the whole Perkissette 30 thing from Florida and all that from the south was stupid big up there, the whole open.

So I remember reading how Obama had like deployed homeland security into the whole like Midwest area. And I remember reading how people got pulled over for barely getting on the yellow line. And then I remember reading like they were doing, they were posting up in these hotels looking for drug traffickers and shit like that. So I was messing with this chick from Dayton and she would come to see her family in Columbus. Well, where she came in through Dayton, as soon as she was entering Columbus from that area,

there was a bunch of high-end hotels right there, luxury hotels. So I'm thinking, well, if me and her link up in a luxury hotel, there ain't going to be no homeland security, no feds there, no nothing like that. And so I'm like, they're going to be at like the Motel 6 or whatever the case may be. So we meet at this luxury hotel,

and I remember that night that we met there, we had been meeting in this area for a little while now. And I remember the night that we met there, one night that we met there, I was, no, that's the second time. So when we're leaving, the next morning, she's about to go back to Dayton. There's a cop.

I don't know he's a cop, but he's Homeland Security. He's in a, like a Ford Escape or something like that. SUV black, he's in an underarmor track suit. And I remember he's steady staring at me. I get gas. She gets gas. I go in the thing and get some cigarillos come out.

And I give her a couple of gars. We leave a few minutes later. But I seen the white dude steady staring at me. So I'm like, man, what the fuck is this white boy looking at? So we leave. So a few minutes later, I leave. A few minutes later, she calls me. She's like, babe, I'm like, what's up?

She's like, you remember the fucking white boy in the track suit that you're talking about? I'm like, yeah. She's like, he came out to me asking me about you, asking me who you were saying he recognized you and asked me what you did for a living in a living and i was like what did you tell him she's like i told him that you did music and uh she's like we should probably stay away from that area she's like i think he's a fed and i was like oh he's definitely a fed so we stayed away from there bro i think man maybe a week two weeks and then she was coming into town and she was like oh or you want to link up at and i was like let's link up at the same spot and she's

like let's switch it up and da-da-da-da-da i'm like man fuck all that so that night when i'm going there to meet her i remember there was a columbus pd behind me well there was another there was another columbus pd behind me for a minute and then he was gone and then another one popped up and i was in an infinity uh an infinity g-37s and like how they were built like it was kind of like the ass was up so i had it dropped so that hotel i'm telling you about there's like a hard dip in the back road that leads to it. So I'd always have to like hit the dip, like turn like that so my bottom wouldn't scrape. And this cop was fucking on me. And I remember I hit that dip, boom, and it's snowing. And he does the exact same thing I do. And I was, I just, I was like, that's odd. Like, why would

you do that? You're at a cop card. Like, why would you do that? It didn't make any sense. So I pull up in the hotel and then I pull by the office. I already got the key, but I'm just like spooked, and he's coming in, and then he stops behind me. And he rolls his window down, and I remember I'm looking at him through the rear view like this, and he reached out, and he grabs that window, and he shines it on my car. I remember I jump out, jump out the car. And I'm like, what's up, man? But I'm wearing a lot of jewelry, because I'm doing music at this time.

So I'm like trying to, like, I'm in my head. I'm like trying to get, like, some type of record contract thinking it's going to save me from this case. Because I'm like, it's just a probation violation. I haven't caught a new charge. And I even thought about turning myself in several times. But I was like, man, I ain't going to turn myself in in Ohio and then have to get transported to Texas. So if I do it, I need to get to Texas.

But then I got to make it to Texas. So, you know, I was just like, man, fuck it. You know, we'll ride to the wheels fall off. So I was always jewelleryed up, all this type of shit. I'll send you pictures of this stuff too. So anyways, I get out. I'm like, what's up? He looks at me, he kind of like shakes his head, and he drives off.

Shit comes over. I'm spooked the whole night. I don't smoke, no weed, no nothing. I'm steady in the window looking. There was a cop at another, there was another high-end hotel across the field. I see a cop over there. I'm like, man, he's looking over here. She don't know I'm on the run, though.

So, dude, I was so nervous. We don't have sex, nothing. So the next morning I wake up, I feel good. So she's like, I got to get back, blah, blah, blah. So I'm like, you want to hit a route real quick and smoke a blunt. So she's like, yeah. So we go and we jump in my car. Go to the corner store, get Cigarillo.

We come out the same corner store where the cop was at that Astor. So it's a four-way stop. And where I'm at, like when I turn left, the highway's right there. So I'm looking at this four-way stop, and I'm looking for that dude's car. Looking for cops. Anything. I see nothing. I'm like, I'm like, I don't see shit.

So boom, I cut left. Get on the fucking on ramp. I started driving. Doing this, looking to all the mirror checks, doing my shoulder like that. And as soon as I'm about to start getting on to the highway, when I look back like this and I start etching over and I come back, my peripheral, I see the cop car. And it was two Columbus PD.

And I think it was the two, the two, Stadies, because they're the canines. It's like the black midnight blue black with the black limo tin. I think it was them. Then it was his escape. And then it was Highway Patrol. I think that's how it was. I know he was in the middle somewhere.

Because when I saw that and then I looked back and then I looked like this, I said, fuck! And she's like, what's up? I said, look at all them fucking laws back there. And I'm getting on the highway. And she looked. I said, that's that fucking escape. And she's like, man, there ain't no way.

They're looking for you. I'm like, hell, they're coming for me. So I put the car in sport mode. I started hitting. I'm trying to bust, but it's morning traffic. So I'm trying to get to the next exit. And she's like, what are you doing? I was like, I'm trying to get to the next exit.

And I look at my rearview mirror and I see the one, the one canine unit. They're low to the ground, too. You see him leave the pack. There was like, they're fucking jets or something. I'm like, and then you just see him zoom. And he just starts coming. I said, fuck, he's coming. And she's like, what are you going to do?

I was like, man, we could do the next exit. I said, I'm going to jump out. I was like, you just met me last night. I'm, like, trying to, like, run this plan through her. And then she's like, fuck you. What are you talking about? I was like, bitch, I'm on to run, motherfucker. She's like, holy shit.

She's like, that's why you act nervous when you see cops. And I look at my rear view and his motherfucker doesn't hit his lights. And here he comes. I was like, here he comes, man. So boom, I just start pulling over. I just start getting over. I know he's coming for me. I'm not even going to play.

So I just start getting over him. As soon as I get him. over. I get my insurance out, but I don't have a fake ID or nothing. So I was like, I'm just going to tell him I ain't got my, uh, my fucking driver's license. I'm going to give him the name this insurance is under. So I roll the window down. And, uh, I'm like, hey, what's up, bro? I try to hand up the insurance. He's like, man, I don't need that, Tim. I was like, what? And my fucking heart dropped. He's like, no, just sit tight real quick. I got somebody. They all fucking pull up.

So at that time, I had been sick and I was throwing up all the time. So I was taking these pills to try to keep me from getting nausea that they give to cancer patients. So I think this was like a Tuesday because I was supposed to go to the Ohio State University Cancer Research Center on Thursday for they thought I had stomach cancer. So they were going to fucking run all these tests and shit. So I got all these pills in the car that I'm taking. So he's like, get out and come talk to me real quick. So I get out and I start walking. And as soon as I start getting towards the back of the car,

I fucking fall down and try to play this like, oh, my stomach, my stomach. And the chick, she's so gangster, bro. They were like, what's going on? And she's like, he's got cancer. and she runs and grabs the pills. And then like some of the labels like said like cancer for cancer patients, they look so they're like get an ambulance here.

So they get an ambulance there and they put me on a gurney and they handcuffed me to the fucking gurney. And then they start to put me in the back. So I'm thinking when I get to the hospital, they're going to take me out these handcuffs. I'm going to be able to get up out. I'm going to leave. That's my whole plan.

So then the Homeland Security guy is talking to the ambulance guy. I left this out when I was on the other interview. And he said something to him. I didn't catch it. And he goes, no, you make sure you keep him handcuffed at all times. Whatever tests you run at all times. And I remember when he said that, I looked at him, I said, man, I ain't going to waste y'all's times.

Let's go, bro. They're like, what, ain't nothing wrong with you? I was like, no, man. I was like, come on. He started laughing. And he's like, yeah, motherfucker. So then he puts me, the whole time they never cuffed me. So then he puts me in his car.

And you know how the cops have like the big ass laptop or whatever right there. And he fucking puts my thumb on the fucking, he had like a scanner or something, puts it on there. Woof. Fucking pulls out my face. Everything. And I was like, man, who the fuck are you? And fucking, that's when everything pops up.

And then he's all like, he had a burner phone. him. So he goes in his track suit pocket and he has that burner phone and he just like sets it down on the center of console. And I remember I was like leaned up against the door like looking at him like this and he's like I'm with the Homeland Security and he was all like, I'll let you go right now. He's like, you know, go get in your car. Follow me back to

the police station downtown. He's like we can get everything worked out. He's like I need 10 bricks of of fucking he wanted 10 bricks of heroin or 10 bricks of coke. And he's like, I can get all this shit drop. We already got all the paperwork by the judge. And I looked at him. I was like, what? And he's like, I was like, man, I don't do none of that stuff.

Like, I'll do music. And he's like, you don't, how do you think I know who you are? And it's like not a coincidence. I know who you are. And he's, I remember, I remember he, I never forget. he said he's like he's because he kept trying to get me to like take the phone but he was like he said i can't remember how he led up to saying it but then he was like uh you didn't come out the sandbox with none of these motherfuckers you ain't come out the sandbox with these guys

and i just looked at him and i was like can't do it bro i was like i don't even know where to find that at like i do music that's how i got popped right there that that's what led me to come back to prison. That's insane. And even on top of that, even on top of that whole ass shit, when I get brought back, I got a bond.

I didn't think that I would have a bond because, like, I fled probation. Like, I thought, I thought, I actually thought what I did was more serious than what I did. So that's why I was like, you know, I got to have a badass lawyer or some shit, but I'm thinking,

but then not even realizing, I'm on probation, a bad ass, you're already convicted. There's nothing you can do. So I remember my P.O. She came to see you. So when they gave me the bond, they're like, yeah, oh, you got a $40,000, you got a $2,000 bonds. So for those two probation, they gave me $40,000, it was an $80,000 bond.

They combined it into one. So I'm all like, all right. And, but she told me, I was like, hold on. What did you just say? I said, I said, I got a bond. She said, yeah, I said, right now, I don't have to see the judge. She goes, well, you still have to see the judge in the morning to get a, rained. She goes, now he can deny

your bond. She goes, but I don't know why he would. So I'm like, I and fucking I paid that bond right then and there. I called my mom. I was like, hey, because she had already went to Ohio and got all my stuff. So I was like, hey, I was like, get me

up out this motherfucker. Get me out of here. Call the bondsman. The same one I always use. The only difference is, luckily, my mom and my stepdad were cool because they had to put up their house. they had to put up some type of property because I had ran, I had fled or whatever to make sure I wouldn't flee. And then shit, I was out of jail.

They were supposed to give me like a rehab, just a rehab, and they were going to give me all my street. They were being stupid cool with me. But our son's mother was a dancer. And one of her fucking tricks was a lawyer. in Bell County. He's in the feds right now. He might be in Florida. I don't know. So this dude for some reason, he had a hard on for me. He didn't like me. But I have known this

girl since I had first came to Texas. And one day I was over at her house seeing my son. And I guess he had somebody tried by or something. They saw my car there. So he starts texting her just motherfuckers at my house I pay for, all this old dumb ass shit. I'm going to get him 60 years in prison. He thinks he's getting that fucking, that reinstatement. I'm getting him 60 years. So, I remember like a couple days later passed, and I drove by the house, and I saw him there, and I pulled up.

I'm going, I knock on the door. She answered, I'm like, where's he at? And she's like, no, I don't start nothing. I was like, I ain't starting nothing. So I'd go in there and I'm like, I'm like, hey, come talk to me outside real quick, bro. But I guess the deed, maybe the deed hadn't been done, or maybe it had already

been done, because I was supposed to go to court in a couple days and I was supposed to get this fucking rehab and all this stuff. So I pull them outside. I'm like, hey, bro, like, I ain't fucking her. I'm over here to see my kid. I was like, bro, I've known her since I've been in Texas. Like, we known each other since we were kids. There's no sexual interaction here. But I'm going to come over here and see my son. It's just what it is. Like, I was like, and the only reason why it's like that is because we have known each other since we were kids. like I call her grandmother, grandma. I was like, you heard me say that.

Hey, what's up, grandma? How are you doing? Like, they know me. So you're tripping, bro. Dude, a couple days later, I go to go to court. So I hit my lawyer, text him, I said, hey, I'm on my way to the courthouse. He texted me back. He said, come to the office.

Right then and there, I knew something was wrong. So I go to his office, and I sit down in his office. and I sit down on the table I'm like, hey, what's up, bro? So he puts a DVD, a blank DVD on his desk like this. And I see some writing on there. I didn't look at it. And then he's like, who's Frizzy White?

And I go, what? He's like, who's Frizzy White? And then I'm looking at the DVD and I see Frizzy White on there. And I go, Frizzy White. He goes, this is a DVD of your music videos. And I'm all like, you mean Frank White? And he's like, yeah, I was like, yeah, I used to do rap.

I haven't done it since I've been back in Texas. But yeah, what's up? He's like, somebody gave this the DA or something. Somebody told the DA something. The DA went to the judge and they're offering you 60 years. And I go, that's the exact same shit of this bitch-ass motherfucker said two days ago. So I'm like, what the fuck? My heart drives.

I'm like, are you serious? This fucking trick, fuck. It's about to get me put in prison. So I'm like, so I started telling her. I started telling her all this stuff. about the dude Perry. Perry woo and trick-ass motherfucker and da-da-da-da-da-da. So I have my ex send me those screenshots of him saying he's going to get me 60 years in prison. So I show him to my lawyer. So my lawyer, I send him to him. He goes to the judge and the judge says,

if you bring me like the printout, I guess if you can go get the text messages or whatever from the store, T-Mobile or whatever, because it was T-Mobile, I guess she would accept it. And she said, if this is, this is, this is, this is him. And you see his name, you see the full name. She's like, this is him. She's like, get me all the real shit. And she's like, I'll discharge your probation.

She's like, I'm going to get internal affairs involved. That's what she tells my lawyer. So I'm going to my ex and I'm like, hey, bro, you got to get all, you've got to get these messages. Like I have to get the account because it was his account. So she goes to T-Mobile and then T-Mobile's like, if we give you all this and everything, we have to contact him. And she's like, if he contacts me, he's going to ask me why I want this stuff. So she goes, ask your lawyer, will the phone work? So I call my lawyer. Then I'm like, hey, bro, can you ask the judge? And this is like over a couple of days. I guess not all one.

So I finally get my lawyer on the phone. You know how it is. And I'm like, I'm like, hey, if she gives me the fucking phone, can we use that? He said, let me ask the judge when I go to court tomorrow, I'll go talk to her. A couple days later, he calls me, yeah, bring the phone. I said, bet. Well, what I didn't know was the reason why that judge was being so cool is because she already knew that that motherfucker was under, they already, they are, the shit that they were doing

that got them in the feds and got them a, He got charged with a murder-for-hire plot in Florida. I guess she already knew that they were doing some grimy shit. There was some whispers or something. So that's why she was in agreement. So the day I'm supposed to go to court, I start calling my ex. Phone straight off. I'm like, what the fuck?

I fucking drive over there. She's gone. Nobody's at the house. I'm like, fuck me, bro. I fucking go to court, no phone. My lawyer's like, where's that? the phone out. I was like, she's fucking not answering fucking bitch. Blah,

blah, blah, blah. Fucking go in there. They had me seeing like some psychologists and shit like that. The state psychologist, they had me see, asked them not to put me back in prison. My fucking P.O., she asked them not to put me

back in prison. And then the judge was all like, you know, you got to give you something, you, you know, and fucking, uh, she gave me two 15-year sentences for all that. That's what led me back to prison. So you got the two 15-year sentences by the judge.

How much time does that equate to? You don't have to actually do 30 years? No, no, hell and not. And because it's a non-act sentence, I was actually about to lie to you. So this is like, I don't know if other states are like this. But in TDC, like when I went to prison the first time, like TDC

That's what the name of the prison is is TDCJ. They have their own set of rules. So, cheap example. When I got the five burglaries was burglary habitation. But then the sixth burglary

was burglar. It was aggravated robbery. It got dropped down to burglary habitation with a deadly weapon. Because of that kid's statement and also because of my story, but mainly because that kid's story. Now, just say I would have got prison time.

So say what they would have gave me 10 years, instead of probation 10 years in prison for the, no, we'll keep it simple. So say that it gave me six, eight years sentences. These are five regular burglaries. This is a burglary with a weapon. so it's not an aggravated offense. So in Texas they have a thing called a short-way discharge.

So say if you get a non-ag four-year sentence, after four, if you do half of that sentence and half of that sentence, you have what's called a short-way discharge. And they have to vote to late. It used to be mandatory. They used to have to let you go home on it. Now they don't.

They usually just take it. But so say they would have gave me six, eight-year sentences, Now, even though this is a non-agravated defense by the law, when I go to TDC, TDC, I had a shortway discharge for these five-aids, right? TDC would have treated the whole case as an aggravated case, and they would have took that short way from me, and they would have made me do, instead of the courts treating a non-ag, and I only had to do, it was like 18 months or 20 months to see parole. That's what it was supposed to be or whatever. they would have made me do four years. So the prison system would have overrode the court system

and made me do half my time, even though the court system doesn't see it that way. So that's like how crazy this whole cabal in Texas is with that situation. So, which I don't know why that didn't happen to me. So when they gave me the two 15, no, it did happen to me, but they were saying they could have, did something else, but I can't remember anyway.

So when I go down there, I got two 15 years sentences for the burglary habitation with the deadly weapon and then the dope case. Boy, they gave me all my street time. So when I went there, they took, I had a short way discharge and all this other stuff. TDC took the shortwave from me, took all my street time because I was out on the streets all those years. So I was going to get all that credited towards. my new 15-year sentence.

So it would have been like, I would only really be doing like an eight-year sentence or some shit like that. TDC took all that shit from me and I was doing a fresh 15. Wow. Yeah.

Now, do they send you back to a max this time? No, they sent me to a medium this time. Oh, they were nice this time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the max probably would have been better than the medium though.

Because the max, I would rather do time around lifers because they're more, chill. It's the guys with the 10 years and the five years, at least in my experience, that are the fuck-ups and the assholes. They don't care because they're going home and they can act however they want to. And it's usually the guys with the big time who are like, hey, look how youngster, you got five years. I ain't ever going. This is my house. So you need to stop with the bullshit. Because like on Torres unit, it ain't nothing but fucking fighting over there.

all day long. All fucking day. That's all that happens over there. And that's a medium. And that's a medium. It's nothing but drama over there. On fucking, so you got like J1 building, J2, J3, J4, J5.

So J1 is like medium custody. They don't have close custody over there. And they have like a little bit of SAG over there, but I don't think they're housed there. I think they get shipped off eventually. and then J2 is like all the known troublemaker gang members

guys that are getting in trouble they just have them over there they ain't doing shit they can only go to school on that J2 building if you are a solo white you can't even live there it ain't even happening

the only way you're living there as a solo white is if you whip everybody on that pod and then you whoops, like, you gotta be a beast. And it's the same thing with the Mexicans. Like, you're Mexican and you fall over to J2, like solo Mexican and less you like from like San Antonio, because it's by San Antonio or somewhere, somebody knows you.

Man, it's a tango blast. They're running a solo heart check on you. And you might as well just join them after that. Shit, with that beat down. Did you click back up with the Bloods when you got on there? No, no. So because I had been away from it for so long and then like selling drugs and having the type of money I was having, and I was always trying to like go legit.

But all the legitimate things that I did or would try to maybe put money into, I never fully saw them through. So nothing of fruition ever came from it. Like partying in the strip club, like I knew rich people and met ballers. had like some investment guys that were oh give me some money and i'll do this and i'll do that but i don't trust people like that and at that time i wasn't really business savvy i'm just an opportunist and uh i can figure things out very fast and i i mean i have a high IQ like my iqs 136 so i'm not stupid i'm far from it i can figure shit out stupid fucking quick um but i you know the whole legal

thing, I guess I just didn't like really like have a knack for it or something because the stuff I would try to do would never, like, nothing would ever fucking take off. But I would hang out, like I told you off camera, like I would hang out with guys that didn't deal professional bodybuilders, athletes. I was going to the gym and training all the time. I was partying with guys like you, clean cut guys. So that whole like gang or street mentality. like it all had left me. Like it was, I didn't even have that identity no more. It was gone.

You understand what I'm saying? Like, that wasn't who I was. I didn't see myself as a gang member anymore. The only bad thing about that was that I had the shit tatted on me. So when I go back to prison, I was on gang file, but I got taken off a gang file. So like when you get to prison, prison in TDC, they make everybody get up off the bus and they make you line up like they call

it heel to toe. So it's like your toe is touching this guy's heels. They nut the butt. So like if you're like a STG, like a security threat group, which would be like a family member like ABT, AC, Texas Syndicate, Mexican Mafia, they're immediately pulling you out and second you up. Gone. You ain't see that person no more. So the other gangs, they're not STG groups. They're not security threat groups. But because I was on gang father, like, they pulled me out and had an interview with me. And then they're like, oh, you know, you're still a gang member. And I'm like, no. And then, uh, her, like, oh, well, you got it on, tat it on you.

And I was like, I'm getting that shit covered up. I'm like, 30 years old, bro. Chilling, trying to go home and live a different life. And, um, so, but I got you, I can't hide my gang tattoos. You can see them. So fucking, uh. And then, like, you think when you leave prison, even, know I was gone for a while, you would think you would think you wouldn't run into people or something.

I don't know, that's what I thought. You know what I'm saying? Like Texas has so many prisons. Like you would just not think you might not see the same guy like that or something. And lo and behold, like I was on the unit a couple of days on the transfer facility. And people were seeing my gang tattoos. You seen them looking, but nobody's saying nothing. Nobody's asking me anything.

And then a crypt dude that knew me, he sees me walking down. the slab, the bowling alley, that's what they call it. He's like, look out, Tim. I turn, I look, I knew that voice. I'm like, what's up, fool? He's like, what's up, what you, bro? We started chopping it up. And then next thing you know, they had wrecked that evening,

and he's on the rec yard telling all the blood fools. Hey, where's y'all? Y'all ain't y'all. Y'all's home, boy. Yeah, my boy, Tim. Ooh. And they're like, what? So next of you know, I'm sitting on the bench, chilling.

and I see everybody coming in from wreck, and I just see people falling out of place, and I see that they're with the bloods. And I'm like, I already knew what it was. I'm not dumb. He didn't told people. I had kept it under wraps. And the reason why I had kept it under wraps is because, like,

hey, I don't want to have to explain myself to another human being, my decisions of what I'm doing as a grown man, or as a human on this earth. Like, I don't know you. I really don't owe you. you know explanations. But then at the same time, you're in prison. That's, you don't work like that. And then at the same time, you're a white dude with black gang tattoos on you. So you're going to have to talk about it eventually. So, uh, when I seen them all coming in, I've seen some of them

looking at me. I'm like, yep, I'm thinking I'm about to have to fight. So I go to the mob area and I get out of all my stuff and I just stand there. And then the fools come in. they're all talking. And then next you know, they're like, eh, uh, where's, where's a white boy from Temple at? And they came back,

what's up, Hey, what's up, man, Slow told us about you. Woo. What's up? You ain't locking up.

What's up? What's the deal, dog? I was like, nah, fool. I'm done. Done with that life. You know,

blah, blah, blah. I was like, if y'all want to fight, you all want to look at me or whatever the case may be. If y'all fucked up about it, let's just get it out the way now.

But I was like, I just, I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to, I don't want to explain anything. It's like, like, I guess the best way to explain it is like, if I really want to fight, like if I really want to fight you, I'm not going to go and sit down over here. Oh, man, I'm fucking eating. I'm about to, because I know he's going to try to talk me out of it. So like when I'm really going to do something, like on that level, I don't tell,

I'm not talking about it to nobody. You know, we're not even talking. So they were cool And then there was a tattoo artist over there That I got cool with And I just asked him to cover it up And then he covered it up Because I knew once I got to

The real penitentiary What they in Texas we call ID units I knew I was going to have to explain myself again And the thing is If you're black I mean nine times out of ten Nobody was going to say nothing to me Because I'm

I got one of those characters, when I walk into somewhere, people usually want to fuck with me. People stare at me everywhere I go. I attract a lot of attention. And I'm not saying that being bodade. I'm just stating that as a fact of a situation. So like, I believe in me and who my character is and how I've carried myself, I believe that if I would have kept my gang tattoos on me and went to another unit, I'd believe that there would have been no problem. But when I got to that unit, they could have said, if you ain't repping no more, you need to cover that shit up. They could have said that, and then I would have had to cover it up anyways. So I just did my due diligence and covered it up and was just,

you know, gambling and drawing and learning how to draw, learning how to tattoo and stuff like that. and then an old blood homeboy of mine had came to the unit on a parole violation and he hit the pod with me. And he had slid back from being a blood when we were on taro together. It was called Polonski then, now it had already been changed.

He has slid back and became a Muslim. And he was a Muslim until he made parole on his life sentence. And I remember he fell in the pod And I'm looking at him like damn the fool I know that's him I know that's him And then he's looking at me

So a couple days passed And I'm working out I got this like strict regiment That I always do And I try to live like that As best as I can out here too As possible And he came over to me

And he was all like Oh hey bro And people used to call me the Don He was like Hey look out Don And I'm like What's the dog And he's like

you real name Tim? And I was like, yeah. He's like, you was on Tel Dome? And I said, yeah. He's like, you don't remember me? And I said, yeah. He said, why, you ain't say nothing? And I was like, I didn't know if you remember me.

And then I'm thinking I'm going to have to, even though I knew he slid back, you never really know, you know, dude. So like Texas is weird. I don't know about other states, but like Texas, a motherfucker will slide back and become a Christian or a Muslim for six months. And then all of a sudden, six months later, he's locking up again. And motherfuckers like, what? you doing like you

which way you ride with this shit so I didn't you know you don't know so we started chopping it up and then like he was he was a stiff Muslim before he left prison and then you know he was back for too many dirty UA's because he's just smoking weed all the time and uh then fucking he was doing the Muslim thing and then like

I've never been a religious person or anything of that nature but like when I was like pumping work I was hanging out with like the high-end white dudes I was kicking it with, which it was majority white dudes that I was hanging out with. And then I had like there were some high-end black dudes that I hung out with too.

These schoolboy type cats. Like when I was hanging out with these guys, like my, like my, my, my, uh, my identity started changing or something like, because I reflect, like some of the stuff that I have said to you or like, well, I said to Johnny, it's shit that I've, reflected on in my past. Because I really feel like this is important for people to try to understand if they can understand it.

So it's like, I guess I started noticing, like, it was really when I was on the run and I was doing rap. Like, I started noticing, I guess, like, I was never one of those white dudes that thought I was black. Like, you got these white dudes you see them, they just, like, they think they're black. or they think they're Mexican. Like, I've always known I was white. You know, I grew up around a lot of black dudes and this and that and all that

and all that type of shit. I've always known I was a Caucasian individual or race realist. And the music, I think, woke me up from seeing a lot of things. And there was a lot of stuff that I had seen over my whole life that bothered me. But somehow, I guess I buried it to be cool, like, sound. I'm always kidding with black dudes. They're just talking shit about white boy. Pussy-ass white boy, ho-ha-white boy,

a bitch-ass white boy. And I'm just sitting there. I'm like, fuck, I'm white. Oh, you know, we ain't talk about you, Tim. You want us, woo. And it's like, but I'm not one of y'all, though. I'm not. Like, yeah, we're cool.

We're bros. We're this. But it's always any time I go someplace new, any new state I go, somebody's going to look at me like I'm a dumb ass because I'm sagging my pants and I'm wearing my hat like this. And I'm trying to talk,

yeah, go, well, You understand what I'm saying? And it's like, you don't, just because you're from the hood, you don't have to talk like a dumbass. You know what I'm saying? You can speak right. You know what I'm saying? You can carry yourself like a basic person, I guess, right? I don't want to say normal type shit.

And, but I always wanted to identify with black people. I don't know. It's very weird. So, like, the whole Muslim thing, when I had became a Muslim, even though I was. nothing. It was like, because I felt like when I wasn't banging, even though when I wasn't, you know, claiming, I should say, because I never been a banger, I felt like I was still in with the black dudes, but I wasn't in. I felt like I was left out because I wasn't, I wasn't locking up anymore or something. I don't know what it was. So with the Islam thing, I liked it because of

the discipline, and they were always well read and studied and stuff and all that stuff. And then you got the brotherhood factor there. And then I know this now. It was also me trying to still relate to black culture or being, you know what I'm saying? You get what I'm saying. If I'm trying to say it, like, I don't want it to sound bad or, or so, I don't know. So I want to be studying for Islam and then I wound up becoming a Muslim.

And then, so I was a Muslim down there for basically almost my whole time, except for like the last three and a half years. I was a Muslim for, so I did seven and a half. I was a Muslim for, I think, three years, almost three years. And then when I hit Torres, after I was at Torres for like almost two years, I wound up becoming, that's when I wound up transitioning. I slid back from Islam and then wound up becoming Peckerwood. Wouldn't it have been safer to stay as a Muslim?

yeah if you think about it if you think about it it was the best choice for sure because me like becoming a wood and it's different in Texas now so like the woods is like a click now where it's like kind of like

the tango blast they'll be like you a home boy like they say home boys and shit what's up home boy they you know fuck with the Mexicans and then like prison has evolved in Texas now to where like you got so many fly white boys from the streets. And then they might not even be from the streets. They could come from a good home, middle class home, but they just grow up with so much swagger.

They come to prison and there's so many fly white dudes down there now, so many fly Mexicans. So like, I don't know if it's on every unit, but like I know it's becoming a thing. So, like, you had woods down there, they called them Hood Woods. So a lot of them were white dudes. Might have grills in their mouth. They probably banged in the world.

Maybe not. They grew up hood, grew up street. A lot of them grew up banging. But they just know when they come to prison, you're setting trying to get accepted. You had that whole acceptance thing. And they just don't want to deal with it. So, like, when I wanted to be coming a wood, even though I was in the wood pile, I did have like regular

I guess quote unquote wood friends but I was what people consider me was a hoodwood that's what they would if they were talking they'd be like oh yeah Tim's a Hoodwood that's what they'd say about me basically so like I don't got no like

not there wasn't like we're on my on some race shit or some shit like that it's just like you know over all these years even when I was in Islam it was like always the white shit the white the white the white the white

And I'm like, I got to defend myself everywhere I fucking go. Always on some dumb shit. I ain't got time for this shit. So it was like, it was just, and then me and white dudes were getting cool. And maybe deep down I always yearned a belonging with, you know, not being accepted by white people because of how I was when I got to the South, you know, how I carried myself. Maybe it was a little bit of that. I really don't know. I think about it.

I contemplate this subject a lot. That's why I'm going in depth on it of, uh, Because I like to understand how people think, including myself. It's like going from one extreme to the next. You know what I'm saying? But it did put crosshairs on me because there was a lot of white dudes that weren't cool with it. But once again, all the people that were in power were my homeboys. And they all fucked with me.

and I had a good name because there was dudes that knew me from being in prison last time and they were like, you know, all the fuck it's him, boo, and I had such a good name and I was also so cool like on how I did shit, you know, like cheap example, J2, how I told you was a bunch of knuckleheads. So they bring them over there to run commissary and I was working in the commissary or canteen, whatever they call it. So the commissary manager, because they wouldn't chill out, was about to send him all home and fuck him out of commissary.

And he did it all the time. But for some reason he liked me. He's a police motherfucker, but he liked me. And I was like, his last name was Anaya. So I was like, I was like, I was like, let me go out there and talk to him, bro. Just open up the door, let me talk to him. And fucking, when I opened him, when he opened up the door,

I stepped out there. And I'm like, hey, look. And I just straight up with him. Like, hey, I'm not working for the police. I didn't even have to say that. But you see, yeah, you know what I'm saying? It's like, hey, y'all know me. I'm cool.

I make sure y'all get, y'all, y'all got to chill out. This fool's about to send y'all back to the crib, dog. I want y'all to make commissary. Like, I looked out for everybody. You get what I'm saying, like that, that, that. So when I came over and was getting down like that, the dudes whose word really mattered was in my favor. So that was my cloak of protection. because before they even voted to even let me,

because they voted for me to join because of my background. So before, they came to me with it, actually, because they had gotten to like a riot with the Mexicans, and they came to me because I had told my homeboy that I was going to get out with them. I was like, well, shit, if it pops off, I'm riding with y'all. And he's like, you can't get involved.

And then I was like, man, nah, we fuck around, we eat. No, it is what it is. And then next thing you know, of my homeboy slid down to my house. It was like, hey bro, what's up? I'm like, what's the deal? He's like, I need to ask you a question real quick. I'm like, what's up?

He's like, you're trying to shoot bolts or what? I'm like, well, I don't know if I'm trying to start shooting bolts, but if some shit pops off, you know, this and that. And he's all like, well, we didn't already went and talk to everybody and you got the green light. So all you got to do is let me know. And I was like, what? So they had already talked to everybody on the buildings,

the other buildings about me. And they were all like, yeah, let them, let them, let's go. So, you know. It's interesting you started your prison bid with the whites and you finished it years later, you know, with the whites. Yeah. It's crazy, right? It came full circle. Yeah.

What was going on with your kid during that time in prison? What do you mean? Was he coming to visit you? Were you an active father or? No. They came up there and they saw me twice. And then never heard nothing from him again. You still don't talk to him to this, dad?

He doesn't want to talk to me. He doesn't want to talk to me, which is weird. Do you think it's because the mom said something? Oh, I know it is. But I was a good dad. Like, I wasn't like the best motherfucking dad. You know what I'm saying? Like, I ain't no dad of the year-ass motherfucker.

Like, oh. But, like, kids and animals love me for some reason. You're a likable guy. Yeah, and I'm a big kid. Like, when I get around kids, like I want to wrestle with them, I'm going to get on the game with them.

You know, fuck with him, like, one of my people back in the game when I used to hustle, their son is extremely autistic. Like, you know, he can't, he can only put a few words together. So I've been dealing with them. I remember he was five when I met them.

and he was eight when this happened. But, like, when me and them got really cool, like when I would go into the person's house to make my drop and shit, before I would even pick up any money from them or give them anything, I will walk in their house. And they're not in the game anymore, and they live a normal life. And I know they're going to listen to this because they listen to the last one. So they'll know the story.

So as soon as I came in the house, I asked for their son. I'm like, where's your son at? and I go back there in the room and this fool be playing, you know, trying to play the game. He really didn't know how to play or nothing. And I'd be talking to him and he would, you know, he can't say any words. But I'm chopping it up with him. And it's genuine. Like I really care what he has to say.

And I'm that same way with kids. Like I, I was like, I'm, hey, what's up? Because nobody was like that with me. You know what I'm saying? Like, I never had no adult when I was a kid. But I, hey, what's up, man? I never had that. Like when I was around adults or even if my real dad, we were around them,

they just let us go play and be kids. But I never had no adults sit down and really try to be, how you doing, what's going on and just on some cool shit. Dude, after dealing with him for three years, so this person made up a nickname for me. So anytime they ever mentioned me up in groups, they said my nickname and only people that knew who I was, knew who that person was talking about.

bro, when I leave the house, I would come in through a door like that. And when I was leaving, he would always come and hit on the door and say bye. Because before I would leave, I would go back there to the room and sell him by and like dab him up and shit. And he is hitting on the door saying, bye. And he was saying that nickname. The nickname they gave me. And I remember my lick called me and was like, say, I'm like, what's up? He's like, bro, you won't believe what he was saying?

I was like, well, he's saying your nickname. I said, for real. and he started crying because he only knew a couple of words. And he's like, how the fuck's he going to learn your nickname? He can't even say dad. And I was like, I was like, dad, that's crazy. He's like, man, I appreciate you being like that with my son. So like my son, like anytime I could be around him, I was always around him,

especially when I got brought back from Ohio and I was fighting this case. I was always trying to be around him. My ex would call me, hey, can you go pick him up from school? you got the long-ass school line or the car sitting there waiting to go pick their fucking kid up fuck not me bro not me i'm parking that motherfucker i walk up there i was interactive with his teachers hey how you all doing oh you got a book fair we'll be up here oh he's got a play coming up we'll be up here oh you got a bake sale bet i'm coming so i was a good dad like like that and at that time he was old enough to know how I was,

that little bit of time that I got to spend with him at that moment because I went on the run for like three years. So he was in diapers when I went on the run. So I didn't even know how much he would remember me when I got brought back, but he remembered me. So that almost two years that I got to spend with him, he got to know me. He was like seven, I think, seven eight, something like that.

So he knows who I am. and then for me to come home from prison and him to say that he don't want to talk to me anymore, I don't understand, you know, I don't understand it. You know what I'm saying? What year did you get out of prison? In 2020. So how much time did you end up serving on that second sentence?

Seven and a half. What was different coming out that time compared to the first time? Nothing. It was, uh, I think when I came home the first time, I was expecting like this feeling, you know, everybody talks when you get out, oh, it's all you're going to, it's going to be like this, and it's going to be like that, and you're going to eat McDonald's, and it's going to be the best thing

in the world, and da-da-da-da-da-da. They build you up. And then, like, I remember the first time I got out, the first thing I ate was Waterburger. And I was just like, this shit don't taste like nothing spectacular. So when I got out this time, it was just like, that was all business. When I came home this time, I came home with a mission, with the plan of doing right and not hustling anymore. And I was scared to come home. I was scared to come home. You know, like, I didn't know. You only know what you're going to do when it's time to happen, right? Like, motherfuckers like, oh, he ain't a fighter. He's a hoe. He's not a ho. When his fighter flight response kicks off, it's flight. That person can't help that. That's how people work.

Not everybody's a warrior. Not everybody's built like that. You know what I'm saying? So fucking, when I came home, I just had a pure fucking mission. And I was in fifth gear when I came home and COVID happened. And the only difference was when I came home this time and last time his last time I didn't have a plan. I was looking for the first food I ate for it to be the best thing ever. For the first time I had sex, I thought it was going to be the best thing ever. I was looking for all these things that guys that had been home had put up on a pedestal that was not even worthy of anything.

Like even when I was being brought home when my old mentor brought me home from prison, He's like, you want to stop and get something to eat? We're driving from Houston to Colleen. That's almost a four-hour drive. I was like, man, just give me the fucking house, dog. Just give me the fucking house. And they had me on the ankle monitor, and they were already giving me all these rules

when I'm leaving the fucking unit. They took forever to release me. I'm like, am I even getting out of this motherfucker? And they're like, your ankle monitor's messing up. So you need to get to the house as quick as possible because if it starts doing this, they can violate your parole. I'm like, motherfucker, I just got out.

You're going to violate. my parole already. Like, are you fucking serious? So me, I was just more so. I had all this shit written down. And I had done, when I made parole, I went to this parole program here in Texas that they got. It's called the prison fellowship program. But it used to be, it's still called the Carol Vance unit. I think it's like on Jester 3. It used to be called the Carol Vance program. But anyways, a bunch of people from the outside come in to the inside, and it's a religious-based program, you know,

but everybody's there, Christian, Catholic, Muslims, Jews, anything, whatever. It's a volunteer program and a parole program. And it's supposed to be 18 months. I sat there 22 months. It's extensive, it's, dude, you're in groups all day long, and you go through these different phases or whatever, and you've got to get up first thing in the morning and go to chapel and all that shit.

And, dude, when I got there, I started taking this speaking club called Toastmasters. And that's what changed my speech. That's how I was able to start. I mean, I could always speak, but I used to talk more. People say I talk thuggish now. I do my best not to talk thuggish at all.

I know sometimes it kind of comes out of me a little bit, but that was something that I worked on there. doing Toastmasters There's some guy A Christian guy He does like motivation John Mac Joel Olstein

Not Joel Olsteen does have a Joel Olsteen does have a group there Are you talking about John Mackey No John Maxwell Have you heard of John Maxwell before? No I haven't He has a big motivational deal

And they donated They had a whole group Come there I read Joel Olstein's book in prison when I was on the shit Yeah yeah yeah Joe I read his shit A lot of people from his church came there A lot of good people And just

Dude I focused on my speech I had plans I had everything written down You know blessed Blessedly I have my mother So I could get on the phone and call my mom And have her investigate stuff for me you know, not just call her to talk

because I didn't get on the phone and call my mom to talk ever. Never. I could call her one time. If I ever got on the phone, because I would call every Sunday, if I ever called on a Sunday just a chit-chat

and the phone calls, I think, are 20 minutes, I never stayed on the phone for that long. I get on the phone, I call her, hey, how you doing? Well, I'm good, everything okay, everything going. Yep, da-da-da-da-da.

All right, I'm going to call you next Sunday. that's it yeah or call you next Sunday and that's up because there was not there's only so much you can fucking talk about anyways you're in jail but if I needed my mom to look up stuff for me I would have her get on get and she would get into it too like when I was like I got like political in there and got got into politics and I'd sit there and watch the news stations or I would listen to the news on the radio and I had this notepad I carried on me and I had all these bullet points and I would write down the stuff they were talking about. And then I'd have my mom, I'd get on the phone. I'd have my mom on the internet, like researching all these topics to see

like how much the news was leaving. How much of the story they were really giving you, how much of this, how much of that. So yeah, now when I came on this time, the only difference was, was that I was, I was determined. I had a plan. I knew what I wanted to do. I didn't know how I was going to accomplish the goals or what would happen in between to those bullet points. I'm still, you know, working on that shit now. But I can tell you this much, I didn't go back to selling fucking drugs. I didn't go back to breaking the fucking law. And, you know, just came out here, not saying I haven't wanted to get in the game

because I've had struggles and stuff like that at that time. And then when you're a criminal for so long, it's nature it's gonna it's gonna come back because that's what you know you know what I'm saying it's what you're that's what your first your survival instinct kicks in

and does stuff like that but you know no fucking dude stayed true to the grind stayed true to the legal grind stayed true to this tattoo shit and fucking

uh no no difference when I came home I didn't care about no fucking free world food. I didn't care about having sex with the girl. I didn't care about none of that shit. Like,

I've done pretty good on my plan, except I planned on staying single, and I'm fucking not. Sometimes it's good when you find that right person, you know, it keeps you grounded. I ain't going to say she keeps me grounded. She probably does. I don't know.

She keeps me on my toes a little bit. She gave me my two daughters, so I can't be mad at that. So what would you tell your teenage self if you could sit across from him right now? I guess don't take the fast way. You know, if I could keep it short and sweet, don't take the fast road. Don't. I wish I had that dude.

Like, when I was pumping all that dope and I would go to like family events or whatever and like people knew me, they knew me as a criminal, like the adults. and they kind of just like, oh, here he comes or here he is or here, whatever. But then I would always go and hang out with the kids, throw the football, throw the baseball, kickball, whatever. You know, and the ones that were older, they had talked to me teenage years, you know, or, you know, you could tell they're hitting puberty and stuff. But I've never been the person to, even when I was with my own friends as a kid,

I've never been an instigator. I've never been the type of person to get. somebody like if I started selling drugs when we were kids and I'm like yeah I'm gonna start selling weed and you're like let me sell weed with you I'd be like yeah come on bro I'm like I'm like I've never been the type of person to try to push who I was on other on other people or whatever and I remember when I talked you like talk to kids I always like push the right choice to them play sports if you don't if you don't play sports stick to the books you know, if you're not going to go to college, get a trade, you know, things of that nature.

And I wish as a kid, I think I wish I would have had those type of talks. I never had those type of talks. Like, I never felt like nobody really cared about me. And that's a lame-ass excuse. You know, even when I live with my aunt and my uncle in California, even though they provided, they're not rich. Maybe if they left California, they'd be considered decent or something. but I remember when I fucked up the last time in California and they sent me to go live with my dad back,

go to live in Ohio at my dad's house. And my uncle, he doesn't talk a lot. It's not like an emotional guy. He's real quiet. You know what I'm saying? He's an architect. And I remember he had told me when the day they were taking to the airport, like I was still thinking everything was like a joke or a game or something.

Like everything's one big game. And I remember he told me he was like, yeah, Timmy, you had to fuck it up. He's like, I was going to pay for you to go to college. If you could have got in any school you wanted, UCLA, USC. And I remember I had been to some UCLA games because we're right there in Pasadena. I went to the Rose Bowl and shit like that. And I was just like, I started flashing back to the good kids that I hung out with in California. They didn't do any trouble.

that we're trying to tell me not to get into trouble. It's just like now my uncle who barely said two words to me, the whole almost four years I lived at his house who barely talked to me is telling me he was going to pay for me to go to fucking college. Like why you couldn't have said that before? You know what I'm saying? Like I grew up in this abusive home. A dude choking me fucking till I damn near pass out all the goddamn time for a couple

years. My fucking mom and me barely fucking talking like she fucking hated my fucking ass. you know, pawing me off on fucking people. Like, I hate to keep a hard heart and be hard on myself and fucking be like, those aren't excuses. But I think since I've gotten older, I've gotten a little bit more sentimental. And it's like, if you just show somebody some love, maybe they won't, you know what I'm saying, choose, quote unquote, the fast life.

Because if you think about it, bro, like, and I know a little bit about like your story, because I've been listening to you for a minute. Like, if you think about it, bro, like, the average drug dealer makes like $8 an hour. Yeah, when you factor in, you know, prison and the time you lose and all of that. Like, it's not even worth it, dog. I mean, look at even the big OGs, you know,

like BMF and all them that made millions, but then they lost 20 years of their life. Unless they invested it, you know, wisely, maybe then it's worth it, but you lost your freedom. You lost your life and you can't get it back. And that's like the 1% of all drug dealers that are pulling that off. Yeah, that are that are bawling. And you want to know what's crazy is I made some good money,

but I felt like I was always broke. Like I never enjoyed it. And I did enjoy it. I did do enjoy it. I did party, but, you know, even now since I've been home, I've been home six years since 20, it's 20, 26, yeah, I've been home since January. Like, I haven't done anything since I've been home.

I haven't traveled. I've just been, like, trying to grind, grind, grind, grind, grind, grind, like figure out the internet shit, not even enjoying life. And then, like, you know, meeting Johnny and then, you know, talking to him and then, like, meeting you. And it's like, like, you've seen you guys be incarcerated. You're out. You're traveling.

But, like, after I had met John, Johnny and then, you know, I came back to the house and I walk every morning. And that's like pouring down rain every morning. I get up at 4.45 every fucking morning and walk unless I've been tattooing all night. And I just think, you know what I'm saying? And I'm like, dude, I've been out here grinding like a month. I haven't even enjoyed my little six years. I've been out here.

I haven't traveled. I haven't done anything. You know, I've had two kids, not making no memories. Like, so you got to make time to do that. It's important. Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely important.

Yeah, I've gotten a lot more sentimental since I've gotten older. Since I knew I was coming to do this with you, like every morning I've got up. Even today, I was going to go run and it was raining in it. So I didn't run. I could have worked out at the gym or worked out in my apartment. But I know how you do your show. so I was just like, oh, I want to, you know, think about, you know, I know you're going to ask questions or whatever. I was like, I want to let them ask questions, like try to get a little bit more personal about my life or about decisions I made,

maybe get people to understand the mental that I was going through and things of that nature, you know, understand kind of like the psychology, you know what I'm saying, behind a fucking a lost boy, you know, that's that's that's really what it is well let's start enjoying life with a nice dinner tonight oh yeah for sure hell yeah well i appreciate you tim and this uh this is an incredible interview and the audience is really going to enjoy it thank you bro thank you yes sir