Locked In with Ian Bick - I Was Sent to a Rhode Island Prison — Here’s What It Was Really Like | Matt Crosby

Episode Date: December 29, 2025

Matt Crosby shares how getting caught selling drugs led him from a Rhode Island county jail to serving time in a state prison. In this episode, Matt breaks down the choices that put him on that path, what county jail was really like compared to state prison, and how incarceration forced him to confront the reality of his decisions. He speaks honestly about the mindset that comes with drug dealing, the shock of incarceration, and the long-lasting impact prison has on your life even after release. _____________________________________________ #PrisonStory #RhodeIslandPrison #TrueCrime #LifeInPrison #RealLifeStory #CrimeAndPunishment #ExConStory #prisonexperience _____________________________________________ Thank you to FRONTLINE HEALING FOUNDATION for sponsoring this episode: Visit https://frontlinehealingfoundation.org/ to donate or share their mission. _____________________________________________ Connect with Matt Crosby: Instagram: babershop_matt Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Shop Locked In Merch: http://www.ianbick.com/shop _____________________________________________ Timestamps: 00:00 Getting Raided at a Young Age & Early Criminal Trouble 02:20 Meet Matt: New Hustles, New Opportunities 03:30 Growing Up in Providence, Rhode Island 05:35 Family Life, Childhood Trauma & Home Environment 07:10 Getting in Trouble Young & Pushing Limits 09:00 First Arrest: My Introduction to the System 12:30 High School, Alternative Programs & Being Labeled 13:40 The Bag of Money That Changed Everything 16:00 Life as a Small-Time Dealer & Street Reality 20:15 The Raid That Ended It All: Arrest & Charges 22:28 Jail Intake: First Night Locked Up 24:18 Doing Time in Minimum Security Prison 27:07 Daily Prison Life: Group Showers & No Privacy 29:15 Prison Food, Fights, and Contraband 32:40 Prison Politics, Respect & Social Hierarchy 37:00 Release Day, Probation & Adjusting to Freedom 39:20 Life After Prison: New Struggles & Temptations 45:00 Parenting After Prison: Morals & Responsibility 51:15 Breaking the Cycle & Repairing Family Relationships 55:30 Final Reflections: Growth, Regret & Redemption Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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So you have to take group showers? One time, I got into a little disagreement on the side of the road with somebody that's yoke them up real quick. Why do so many people tell what's a benefit? for them at, like, say, a minimum. Getting caught selling drugs changed everything. One arrest sent Matt Crosby from a Rhode Island County jail into the state prison system, and down a path he never expected his life to take.

Matt, welcome to lockdown. Thanks for, thanks so much for coming on the show today, man. It's a pleasure. Thank you for having me. Yeah, tell everyone about the business you got going on. It's pretty cool. We're just doing rental cars right now. We got a couple cars, G-wagons, Maybacks,

a couple BMWs, a couple of other. the benches nissons just basically random out daily monthly weekly whatever you want to do with the mayback and the g wagon we offer chauffeur services running in range between like 80 and 120 an hour depending on where you want to go what you want to do and uh yeah that's really just the random thing we're trying to push right now i've been a barber for a while i do house calls you know so if anyone sees me driving around a g wagon it's rented yeah there you go you know you know where it came from black label black label ventures i'm you know but uh yeah that's what we're doing right now also i do construction but i cut here and i'm trying to push the rental thing now a little

renaissance man yeah it's doing good i do a little bit of everything man you know it's always been a hustler where do you grow up providence or cramston but you call it provenance how far is that from like next door okay yeah yeah proreland's so small everything like providence is the city and then you got your outskirts You got Cranston, Johnston, Batucket, North Providence, East Providence, you know. What was it like growing up there? It wasn't bad. It wasn't bad at all compared to, you know, what you see. Like, it wasn't bad, you know.

Who were you raised by? My mother. My mother raised me. My mother, my grandparents, be with my father some weekends, you know. Why wasn't your dad in the picture full-time? They got divorced when I was young. And, like, when I was four years old, they split up. And he got remarried.

And then, you know, I beat on the weekends, though, you know. Do you guys have a good relationship? Now we do, yeah. But when I was younger, I guess you could say I was resentful because he wasn't there. I'll see everybody else with their dad and stuff, you know. But now, yeah, we definitely have a good, and now that I'm older and I realize what he had to deal with, being, you know, having a new girl and dealing with my mother, you know. Like I see now. So now, yeah, we got a great relationship now, for sure.

What was wrong with your mom? She's just, you know, just typical women. You know, it's just, you know, she's my mom. I love her, but, you know, you know how it is. I think I'm not going to be biased because she's my mother, you know. What'd she do for work? She worked at the water supply board. So, like, if you had rusty water at your house, she'd come take a sample of it, bring it back.

She worked for the city at the water supply board, you know. my father worked there too that's where they met did you have any siblings yeah I got a little brother and how big's age different yeah two years 20 months younger than me two years so you guys grew up pretty close yeah real close we actually we work together right now doing construction oh cool yeah I love it did he go down a similar path as you

not at all which I'm very proud of not at all never been arrested once why do you think that was because of me so you think you learned from you're the good older brother 100% yeah and I'm still probably the blacks people with my family, but he's, he just, he's had a girl. He's had, he's been with the same girl. He's 32. He's been with the same girls since he was 14.

You know what I mean? So she definitely keeps him grounded. And he's just always, he's always, just was always a good kid. And I think he always saw me fucking up and was like, uh, let me not do what he did, you know. How would you describe yourself as a kid? Um, I was bad. I was a bad kid. I was a bad kid.

I just always wanted to start trouble, cause trouble. Just run around. It's regular kids shit, really. When was the first time you got into trouble? Like, arrested? Or even just, it could be minuscule trouble. I think I... Maybe third grade.

Third grade, I think I got in a fight. At school, when I flipped a desk over something. Why did you do that? Something like that. Just being mad, just acting out in class. being an idiot. Where'd the anger come from? I don't know.

You know, a batting like they they used to try to figure it out, but I still don't know. Just acting out, really. For no reason. What about the first time you got arrested? How old were you? I think I was 15.

I got arrested with clonopins. The drug? Yeah, pills. Why do you have those? I was a... I was getting rid of them, really. You mean selling them? Yeah, yeah.

How'd you get into that at such a young age? I had been already just, I was exposed to certain things at a young age. Like, I would see certain things, certain places. And by the time I was 15, like, Clonopins were, like, a regular thing to, you know, grabbing for a dollar, some, $3, whatever it was, you know. shit like that in that particular time they weren't mine

I was holding up for somebody who I don't know if you know anything about them but they called the Forget Me Nots so when you start taking them you start forgetting what you're doing so my buddy had me hold him so he wouldn't take too many of them or lose him

or whatever it was and then I ended up getting caught with him and they're like yeah I'm taking them put me on drug court all of that That was the first time I got to rest in How'd they catch you? Would they search your bag at school? Yeah, no, I was in my glove box

I went to go grab my registration. You were driving at that age? Yeah, I was six, I was 15, 10 months. By yourself, you don't have like a learner's permit? No, not 15, 10 months. You get you, um...

I might have been a driver's end. I could have been a driver's at. I'm pretty sure I had my license, though. I don't know. How'd your mom react to the? that arrest. She wasn't happy. She wasn't happy, but, you know, there's nothing she could do.

Like, she, you know, she tries. She, she was a great mother, but, you know, I was one of them kids. I wanted to be outside. I wanted to do what everyone else was doing, you know. What kind of people were you hanging around? Bad kids, people in similar situations? Yeah, the wrong kids, yeah. Always fighting, always stealing, shit like that.

And, you know, at a young age, 10, 11, 12, you know. I used to play sports, so I'd play sports, but then in my free time, I'd hang out with the, I wasn't hanging out with the kids doing the right thing. You know what I mean? What did you want for your life at that point in time? I just knew I wanted money. That's all I knew. I didn't know how I was going to get it.

I don't know what I was going to do, but I just knew I wanted money. And this, you know, I started selling weed when I was 12. I grabbed, like, one $20 bag of middies and selling. 320s out of it or whatever it was. I was young, you know? I started at a real young age. Because like I said, you know, my mother, she took care of us, but it was just...

And even then, like, I didn't need to sell weed out. It's not like my mother needed to build money for me. You know what I mean? But it was just, like, shit I wanted. I didn't have, you know? Never had the clothes I wanted. Shit like that. What did you like about money?

What it attracts? Like, just everything, everybody I knew that was... doing anything, they had money, whether it was from this or that. You got a nice car, they got the girl, they got this, that. You know, the same spiel everybody else got, like, you just, it's just, that's something you don't have, you know what I mean? You want it. Did your mom ever have a conversation with you about money?

All the time, yeah, yeah, all the time, yeah. Just to tell me, like, oh, it's not everything, you know. And I realize that more now that I have children and, you know, but. Like growing up, you know, like when you're going to school and getting made fun of your shoes and wearing certain clothes, it's like, yeah, fuck this. Something got to give. You know what I'm saying? So that's really, like, what it boils down to, you know?

So what happens after that arrest, you get kicked out of school? No, because it didn't happen at school, but they ended up sending me to, like, an alternative program, like, just some, like some bullshit, really. I'd go to school from like 9 to 12 and just like literally just copy notes. And I did that for all of 11th grade and I went back to school for 12th year. But it was like a construction school I was going to. And while I was going in 11th grade, I had missed all my credits. So they had, they made me go to.

This program was called World of Work. And they had me working, going to school and going to work. So I go to school, go to home room, English class. And I would go to work from there. I ended up graduating like that. But my whole plan was to do construction. So then I graduated, I'm like, damn, I don't know what to do, you know. So what happens after that?

Like about a year went by. I was just, you know, hustling doing whatever. And we ended up, we end up, some crazy shit ends up happening. and we ended up hitting a lick. Somebody calls us one day, and she's like, yeah, I got a backpack full of money. So we go pick her up, and she ups in the back seat, and she got a backpack full of money. We go to my boy's house, and we're counting the money out. We're in the basement, and we hear his mom come in.

So we go throw the money back in the bag, and we're all, we're all like 17-18. So there's only three of us there. We don't know what to do. His mom walked in, boom. So we're like, we got to get somewhere to count the money. So we go grab somebody else to get us a hotel room. because we weren't old enough. I get us the hotel room where there.

My buddy gets a call. Well, they end up knowing us up. So now we got to send the person who took the money. We give her some money. Tell her a go. Now we got that money tucked and we're just kind of, you know, we're laying low for a while. And then, you know, slowly the money disappeared.

And then before you know what I was in barber school, going to barber's, I'm thinking, I'm like, what, because, you know, I was, you know, I was in a barber's, I'm thinking, what? Because, you know, I always knew I wanted to keep selling drugs. I don't want to stop. This was when I was 17, 18. I didn't want to stop selling drugs. But I wanted to work.

I knew I'm like, you have to work. I knew I, like, I didn't want to go to jail, you know? So I'm like, what type of job can I do? I always wanted to cut hair. So I ended up going to barber school. Like, it's perfect. Be my own boss. Boom, boom, through whatever I got to do all day, you know?

So I did that for a while, you know? And I still cut here to this day. But I ended up getting locked up when I was 27, and that's when I did. Wishing you could be there live for the big game, soaking up the atmosphere in the crowd. But too often, life gets busy. Or the price holds you back. Priceline is here to help you make it happen.

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And why would she share the money with you And where'd the money come from? It was just laying around her house She just finds a bag of money And then calls you guys up It says that split it We were hanging out with it every day And like one day I asked her

I'm like, where's all the money coming from You know I'm like what's the money coming from you spending money Because she was buying rose and weed off us every day Giving me gas money and shit You know what I'm saying? So we pick her up every day, do the same thing. I'm like, what's all the money?

She's like, oh, this bag of money, my crib was like, what? So her uncle was somebody and her mother was somebody. Her uncle was on one side of the fence and her mother was on one side of the fence. That's what I'll say. So the mother was holding the money, like, as a safe spot. And she called, you know, come get me. I got it.

We went and got it. How much money was it? So it ended up being like $78,000. $78? 78,000 and then about eight months later I remember I told you were counting in the basement and the mom walked in we were up throwing in the bag doing a la la la da, mom called

why the fuck is there 10 grand in my couch what's going on? 10 grand old hunters the old hunters but like when I say yeah but yeah who's we you imagine we yeah we're gonna

but is it like friends people I grew up yeah okay that was a part of like your group that you were hanging out with Yeah, I was hanging out with them. Yeah, like kids I grew up with, kids I was hanging out with that at the time. And how old is this girl the same age? Yeah, same age. And does anything ever happen to you guys for stealing this money?

No, no. So you're living off of that for a few years? She caught repercussions, but, like, you know, it's somebody close to them, and it's, there was never no, like, they never proved nothing. I'm just surprised she was sharing it with you guys. Yeah. So that's what you used to put your... Like I told you, she was buying rose every day.

She was buying rose and weed every day and fucked up. You know what I'm saying? Drinking. Doing every day. And you young, a backpack full of money in your house. Cash. I guess you got lucky. He caught a bag.

So you used that money to go to barber school. Yeah. We split. Everybody got a little bit of it. We broke it down through the whole neighborhood. And during that period of time up until you got arrested, you were just selling drugs? Yeah. What were you selling?

We rolled. Shale, shit like that. What's a roll? Roos, like ecstasy. Excessy pills. We used to call them rolls. Were you a big drug dealer? Were you small?

Never, never, never, never, never, nah. Never like that. I would always, even when I would grab coke, I would always make sure. Like, if I was grabbing an ounce of coke, I'll tell you I have my boy hold two grams for me because I'm knowing the bag weighs a gram. So I'm only riding with 27 grams.

Because I know once you have over 28 grams, Then it's an ounce to a kilo. It's a whole different charge. You know what I'm saying? So I would always stay under that ounce limit. I never, like, you know. Sometimes I would have certain things dropped off, but I would never ride with anything over, like I just said, you know?

I never, like, I never wanted to take it there. Certain people would ask me for shit. I'd be like, nah, not for me. I'd rather grabbing and break it down. I'm selling point eights for $100. You know what I'm saying? Can't go wrong. And was it just your own operation?

Yeah, just me, like, at the time and then, you know, like when I got raided, it was me and a few other people. But I basically, like, I moved alone for a while. How much you think you made over the course of your drug dealing span? Oh, no. Not too much. Was it worth it going to prison for? No, I think everything happens for a reason, but, yeah, like, it's not like I was selling drugs.

because, like, I don't know. I, you know, it got me by for most of my life, you know, for a long time, for my 20s, you know. It wasn't something like, like, I knew, like, that was that, like, the end goal was prison. Like, I knew I wasn't going to, like, make it out, like, like, some, like, some movie shit or something. Like, you know what I mean? Somebody rarely doing it. Like, I knew that wasn't the goal. Like, I knew I wasn't getting there.

Because I never took it, like, I, like, I, I, I, like, I, I, like, I, I, I, I, always just wanted to do what I do and just sell pieces. That's what I wanted to do. I don't want to sell weight, you know? I don't want to deal with the responsibility. This one's trying to rob me. All of that, you know what I'm saying? That's why I always work, always do my little hustle, you know? And why are you accepting of that, like that reality of I know I'm going to go to prison and get caught? I don't know. I really couldn't tell you. I think that it was just one of them things that I was like, all right, yeah, you're told me the stove's hot, but I'll let you know if it's hot. You know what I'm saying?

I just basically think it was one of them, you know? Once you started getting money and having money, was it what you expected? Yeah, like I had fun, yeah. I had a nice car, nice chains and jewelry. You know what I'm saying? Everything, you know, everything else that comes with that. I was able to take care of things. I had a nice house at like 23, you know?

You bought your own house? No, I didn't buy a house, but I had a real nice apartment, yeah. When I was young, you know, I had already, my oldest son was born, you know. So in my head, and I'm thinking, I got a certain amount of money. I'm thinking like, oh, I'm good. But, you know, it's never what you think it is, you know. Then I stopped working. I was like, I'll just keep selling drugs, you know.

Start growing weed. It doesn't, you know, it don't work out. So tell us about getting caught. What happens? So when I got raided, I was when I was 27, we were, we got raided at a bar. called Knightsville Pub we were just over there going crazy like all the news they called it a cocaine drive-thru

it was me my boy he's actually in Danbury right now in the federal prison yeah not for this case for a separate case after we came home but me and my boy the owner and another one of our buddies like he used to just you know he'd sit in the car and make shit up for us and shit you know

like when we got raided he was in a car he got caught with everything he just had deliveries on me Deliveries on my boy But then my boy's crib They raided as well He had some other shit in there They find whatever

But you know They end up coming Like they want us to sign For like seven years Five years Three years I forget it Go sit and intake

And intake's terrible Like intake's terrible Intakes like designed To make you sign It's supposed to make you break Like anyone who's been locked up In Rhode Island Knows like

Intake is basically like A county jail or You know what I mean? Like you're waiting sentence in there. No one there's sentence. You know what I'm saying? So you're there. It's the highest security.

You're there with Rippers. You're there with somebody who sold a candy ball. You're there with everything. You're there with everybody. There's no classification in there yet. It's, you know, like county jail. So it's bad in there. So I sat in there for five months.

I got arrested October. I ended up signing on my son's birthday in March. So they caught you red-handed with the drugs? No. They had a song, what's called controlled buys. Oh, so they had you on history. Yeah, like they had basically somebody wearing a microphone, me handed them the shit.

I'm going right back and saying, yeah, it was him. You know what I mean? They had eight of them, four on me, three. And my boy went on the runner. Did they look at you as a big fish, or are they using you to get to someone else? No, they knew what was going on. Like when they came at the 7, 5, and 3, or 5, 3, and 1, whatever was.

Like, I was in the middle. And then, like, my other boy was, they were trying to give him the most time. They were trying to give me the middle. And then the one, the kid who was in the car with the Coke, who was sitting in the car with the Coke when we got raided, they tried giving him the least amount of time. So we was all like, nah.

He wanted to sign him. We're like, you know, like. So five months go by of us going back to court, fighting out of a lot of. We're in intake the whole time going back to court. They finally come with. Oh, they want a year, year, two years. They want this kid to take the two years, the kid that was in the car with the coat.

You know what I'm saying? Because once they realized we weren't budging. They never even interrogated us. They picked us up. They walked in the bar. I'm sitting there. I'm about to break the, you know, pool. I'm about to break.

And, like, it was around Halloween time. So, like, they kicked the door. And I was like, two guys who look like you. You got vesting guns. And I'm like, ha, good one. I'm thinking his costumes. And I'm going to, I bent back. I'm going to break the bulls.

They grabbed me, put me against the, He's like, you're mad, right? Yeah. Cuff me, throw me in a car, going to jail. What am I being arrested for? You'll find out. We get there, they take my possessions, throw me in a cell, bring me back out, strip search me, throw me back in the cell.

Don't tell me what I'm there for. Wake up in the morning, we go see justice of peace. I see two of my boys, I see the owner, whatever. The owner was already out, I think. Whatever happened. Me and two of my boys, we go there. Judge is like, yeah, 14-day men. Like, yeah, 14-day minimum.

Like, for what? What am I being out for? Like, possessing when it tends to distribute. Like, I didn't get caught with nothing. She's like, no, the delivery, like, because I have possession and that. You know what I mean? Oh, bullshit. They're taking the crackheads wearing.

Which is bullshit in Rhode Island, which is what they do. You know what I mean? The CI has no credibility. He's nobody. You know what I mean? You know. But, yeah, that's what I have him. Frontline Healing Foundation exists for the Warriors among us.

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So. What's a county jail like? It's fucking miserable. It's terrible. Like, when I made it finally to where I was going, the minimum, like, I felt like I was at the it's calling. Like, it's fucking bad. Like, intake is, it's terrible. Like, it's designed to make you sign. Like, there's people in there going crazy. There's people in their fighting life. There's people. Everyone's in there. You know what? You know? Like, it's, uh, it's a lot going on in there. And this is your first time ever in a facility. First time ever in jail. Like, I've been arrested,

you know, a couple other times with, you know, a little petty bullshit. But never, I never been in intake. I never been to the, to the intake facility, to the county jail. So when I was finally in there, it was different. I was different. So I walked into a block. I'm thinking it's big. Got 12 rooms. The second take got 12 rooms.

So I'm in there for 11 days. And then I realized there's nothing in there. No TVs, no food, no nothing. So I'm thinking this is jail. I got state soap, one pair of socks. Like, I got nothing. No towel. I don't got shit.

I got a green mat and a sheet. That's it. Like I have nothing. So finally, they transferred me to a big block. And I walk in the room and the dude like a sheet hanging up. You got a TV. It smells like that VOS, V-O-5 fucking condition or whatever it is.

Floor is clean. I'm like, I'm thinking I'm at a hotel now. He's like, you want headphones? You want food? I'm like, you got food? You got food? Hell yeah, I want food. So it was like once I even made it there, like I adjusted there.

And I spent my whole bid, well, I mean, my whole sentence and waiting to get sentenced there. I spent my whole time waiting to get sentenced there. And Like that was You know End up with one of my boys in the room And shit It was cool

You know So And then But once I finally got sentenced It sent to minimum A whole other story It's just like It's like a fucking

It's not like no jail You know what I mean It's like It's a joke How much time do they give you I have five years I want to serve What does that mean

Like five years Suspended With one year to serve So after I served that year in jail, I come home with four years hanging. So, like, if I fuck up and if I get caught with Coke, they can give me the whole four years. This is back when I, you know what I mean? So I lucked out.

Like, that's where they get to. Like, they're expecting me to fuck up again. But when I came home, I made sure didn't happen. You know what I'm saying? So you got the one year, does that include the time you've already been waiting in county jail? Yeah, like, when I got sentenced on my son's birthday after five months, he was like, I'm sentenced to you five years and one to serve.

with time credit. So after that five months, I already had in. I only had a couple months left. But once they put me to minimum, I kept getting in trouble. And they got like, it's not even real SEG, but they got like a SEG there. And I just kept getting sent to SEG, kept getting, like, cigarettes on the side of the road. Like, say I'm working on the highway, like litter crew, chain gang. You know what I'm saying?

Like picking up litter and someone sees me and throws out cigarettes, I get in trouble. You know what I'm saying? So it was weird someone pulls over like, hey, Matt, I get in trouble. So I happen three different times. So you have seven months to serve in this minimum on the offset, but you get more because you get in trouble? Yeah, no. So after I get sentenced after the five months, like my good time date, like I get sent it to 314. My good time date might have been like September or some.

And, you know, I work. It's easy. Like I was getting 17 good time days a month. I was going to GED. I was going to GED, I was working and good behavior. So you got like five days a month for GED just for going. You get 10 days a month for good behavior and two days for working. So I was getting 17 days a month.

I was doing less than half my bit. But I had already graduated high school. So see, calm and God, it's real. I kept getting into, like I said, you pull over and say hi, I getting in trouble. I kept getting in trouble, so I kept losing my time. So let's say I go to SET for 10 days. So I lose my good time for that month. And then I lose the 10 days from sex.

It was 20 days get added on to my sentence. So I end up doing like 10 and a half months on a year, which is like, it's stupid. There's people that do a year on a year. But like in reality, you can do seven, seven months out of year. You know what I mean? So what's this minimum like, like when you got there on day one? How's that outlayed? It's like, it's weird.

It's like an old estate building. It's just whole. hallway with rooms off to it. There's no doors in on. It's just rooms. And like one room might be a two-man cell. One room might be an eight-man cell. One room might be, might have eight bunks in it and it's a 16-man cell. You know what I mean? It's all different. And then you got the bathroom, the stores next to each other in the shower, just one big room, like bigger than this with all shower heads next to each other. And it's just, but it's set up just like, just like how your hallway is, but just picture way more door, way more room.

and no doors and just bunks in there. It's just bunks everywhere. So you have to take group showers? Yeah, unless you get lucky and no one's in there. But when you're at minimum, you're taking a group shower, yeah. And do guys, like, I know when I was in the group showers at, like, the detention centers, guys would just wear their boxers? Most people do, yeah, but then you got to wear those that they've been at maxed 17 years, and they're coming home, and they're there and they're in there butt-ass naked. Like at the YMCA?

Yeah, so, like, you're in there with your eyes closed and, like, you're kind of peeking and make sure you're safe or whatever. and it's like you're showering but yeah like most every night majority of people shower in their boxes cleaning at the same time you know I would just always wait till like after you try to wait yeah when the shower rushes like when minimum was packed like there's only like let's say 13 showers there's a hundred of us on the floor and we're all working all that we all get back at the same time two to two to four you got a shower then you might have class you might have the gym you go to the gym you want the shit you got to do then you got your phone you're trying to do shit so it's like you got to shower and when you get back like we're doing a little bit

crew, it's 100 degrees outside, and we got to wear the full dicky suit, and we're walking on the highway, and we're dirty as fucks, and when we get back, we want to shower. You know what I mean? Like, there's, there might be a line for the shower. You know, you run in and out, two, three minutes, you know? But. What kind of charges were people there for? At minimum or intake?

Minimum? Yeah. It's just regular drug shit. Like, regular drug shit. Nobody there had a victim, if that makes sense. Like, no, there's no rip is there. There's no domestic violence. violent shit there.

There's no, like, there was one kid there for, like, he, like, he shook his own baby or some disgusting shit, something like that. And he was the only one there. For, like, manslaughter or something? No, the kid didn't, the baby didn't die, thank God. But, like, I don't even, I didn't even pay attention to it because, you know what I'm saying? He shouldn't even been in the building, but that, that's, it is what it is.

But everybody there, like, you could have been a murderer. You could have been down 25 years already. and now you did 12 and max you went to a medium for 12 years and how they're like, all right, if you were to do your last year and minimum, let's see how you can do it. Like, how I told you,

I kept getting booked for stupid shit, like, you know, they want to see it because I just kept getting booked for not following the rules. Like, I wasn't doing nothing crazy. I just wasn't following rules. So they put people there to see if you're going to follow rules

to try to get you out onto the street. You know what I'm saying? They're back like they're trying to help. You know what I mean? So are these minimums like work release programs because you mentioned you were on there? There's people there that are in work release to wake up in the morning. They leave and go to work and come back on the bus.

But like where I was at, like a CO is taking us out in a van. And like we're picking up garbage. And like he's like on us. Like he's just far away from us in the van watching us. So like I tell you, I just passed exit 19 today. We're going to 20 tomorrow. And like you don't know. Like they might be Newport there or whatever it is.

You know what I'm saying? Newport. You know what I'm saying? Newport. They always go in order for the exits? they started fucking up. They don't always do it, but they started, like, on a Monday,

like we went to a spot. On Tuesday, we went to a spot. So by Wednesday, I was like, we're going to that spot. We're going right there again. And we sure enough there Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. So you tell your people to leave it there? How do you even get a hold of them?

Go home and call them. I was next to your sister's house today. On the wall phone? Yeah. And like, I went to sec for that too. So, like, what happened? One day I make a call, and I was next to your sister's house today.

and they end up like I saw something ends up happening the next day like I don't get caught with nothing but like a week later a kid gets caught he got cigarettes in his lawnmower another kid on the crew blames me

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the guard I had was cool as fuck and like let's say there was an overpass and like if he's on one side of it I'm walking to the other side of it and if he when he pulls up I'm walking back like a specific time that happened I walked back and I got cigarettes and like even like someone threw me a weed pen and I was like I don't even want it like I'm sure I only got a few months if I smoked his weed pen And that's 30 days in second. I'm a little 60 days.

I got less than 60 days. I'm not even going to smoke the weed. You know what I'm saying? But I took the cigarettes and shit, you know? How long, how many hours are you typically out there for in a day? Only four or five hours. And are they feeding you out there? A baloney.

But you take baloney's wrapped up and then bread's wrapped up. And then some days the bread's wrapped up and you'll have like the packet of peanut butter and a packet of jelly with an apple. They ain't feeding you shit. Come back, starving. And how is the food? at the camp. At minimum, it's better.

It's better than intake because there's people who bend down a while and whatever, but it fucking sucks, bro. It's terrible. Everyone cooks every... Excuse me.

Everyone cooks every night. You know what I mean? What was your meal that you liked to cook? You mix the rice with the chili. Maybe, you know. You have some noodles maybe if your rice is light, you know?

You had the summer sauces with the hot pickles, throw some cheese, some, some chips on top. I'm probably missing some ingredients, but the jalapinos in it. Definitely the chili, though. I saw you got the chili. Yeah.

I've been looking for that chili for a while. Amazon. Yeah. It's expensive, though. They want, like, 30 bucks or 40 bucks for like six packs. Yeah. Yeah, they know how to get you. See, I just told my boy, I said, I'll pay $20 for one of these right now.

Because it's just, when I make a bowl at home and it's just, that's what it's missing, that chili flavor. Yeah, I would do white rice, you know, like the dehydrate rice or whatever that you put in the microwave, spice it up. Then you heat up a chili packet, put up a beef log in there for some extra meat. And that was a meal right there. It was so good. See, we didn't have no microwave or not.

So we're cooking in a bag. We're hot with some warm water. We're blowing it up, keeping the air in it, wrapping it in our jacket, wrapping it in our blanket. That's the oven. We're throwing in the oven for a little while. Wait, really? Yeah, no microwave ever. No, but what does putting it under your jacket do?

Just keep it warm. Just try to keep some type of heat. it up? Not like you think, but it's that, like, it's bad, bro. It's bad. We're in an old-ass building. I guess, you know what I mean? What was the non-comissary food like that they would serve you? Walk us through like a breakfast lunch and dinner. Like on a Saturday for sure, you're getting pancake Saturday morning. You're getting hot dogs for lunch. On fish it, Friday fish. Sunday, you're getting fried eggs, home fries. Sunday toast. Maybe some bacon or something. You're getting a decent.

a little breakfast for Sunday lunch again, pizza. And then, like, you might have chicken tenders or some bullshit for lunch. Like, for banquet, not, like, tenders. You know what I mean? Like, small tenders, like. So it's the taste off? Because, I mean, off the opposite, it sounds like a good option. Everything is super sodium.

Everything got a lot of sodium. Like, you might have some pasta one night or you taste as salt. You might have some slop, like some chicken and soup. Slop. Like, it's not like what you see. you know, in a picture, like, some slop or something. But, like, it ain't no good food. Like, a majority of the time you're going back and cooking.

Like, you might just take the rice from the meal and go back so you can save your rice, you know, take an apple back so you can put some peanut butter around it or something, you know? Shit like that. What about fights? Are there any fights there? Yeah, there was a lot of fights. Matter of fact, Homeboy you had on here. I seen you had someone from Rhode Island on there.

Oh, Giovante? The kid, Vaughn or something like that. Yeah, I think his full name is Chavonte. He's the only one I think I've had from Rhode Island. You have tattoos on his face, right? Yeah, him. Like, I seen him get beat up. He was there that time?

I seen him get beat up. And I wasn't, he came into my block. He was with somebody. Somebody he was with got approached, got hit. And then the other, you know, the other kiss went, you know. Von fought. He got beat up. He fought, though.

You know, he wasn't, like, scared to nothing. He fought, but he got hit twice. He stumbled. went to go swing like on his way down he was stumbling trying to swing and he got hit like six seven eight more times and then why did people fight in mediums i mean in minimums this was that intake oh this that intake yeah this is that intake he was only doing a short little stay but he got in a fight because of his boy but it was just like i see him all the time i'll take my kids swimming at this spot over the winter and he worked like he works there you know did uh you ever fight

nah only one time i got into a little disagreement on the side of the same i got to a little disagreement on the the road with somebody, I just yoked him up real quick. With another in me? Yeah. It was like 20 and he was, he was pissing me. It was real hot, pissing me off, talking, running his mouth. I'm just grabbing him through him against the van real quick. And that was it.

He was like, you know. He didn't snitch on you or? Nah, I didn't say, no, no. But like, like I got caught with the cigarette shit happened a few days later the second time. So I feel like he did tell him after the fact. But like when I say I threw him against the van, like the COs. sitting in the driver's seat. I threw him against the sliding door.

Like, the CO looked. You know what I mean? Like I told you, it was cool. You know what I mean? Yes. So, he, you know. So the CO's just sitting in the van, like, greening the paper.

I'm watching us like some fucking slaves. It's supposed to watch it make sure we didn't get drops and shit, you know? But he's on his phone the whole time. Has anyone ever escaped? Hell yeah. All the time, people escape. While you were there? No, not with me.

Not with me. Nah. Not with me. But people obviously escape all the time. And what happens when someone escapes? Do they lock? Yeah, you get locked down. Everyone gets locked down.

And then it should takes a while. Once they realize they're gone or whatever happens, you're good. Is there a fence at the medium? I mean, the minimum? Yeah. It's only a six-foot fence with Bob Wier. It's not crazy, you know? Because when you go to minimum, you go to half four years or less.

And you get at least four for escape. So if you leave, you're fucking... You understand? No point in leaving. It's tempting, though, because you might be right there in the dayroom at night and the doors open, like right here. And you're like, I just go hop this shit.

The CO's not in the day room. Like, you can. Like, you can. No, I've never seen anyone do it, but... It's not... It wouldn't be hard. How are the staff there? Terrible.

Terrible. Why so bad? It's just pieces of shit they don't give a fuck. A lot of people with mental health who need help and they just, they'll spray them down, throw them a seg or like you tell them you're sick, they don't care, man, you can't breathe, they don't care. It's fucking terrible. They'll put the air with mad cold.

They'll shut the TV off in the day room, you know, shit like they modified recs, so you got like 30 minutes the whole day, like basically like being a SEG, you know? They do shit like that, like it's fucking terrible. There's some fucking CEO. His name's Gardner. He's a piece of shit. I've seen him. He'll lock you in.

He'll talk shit to you. Lock you in. And start calling you a bitch. Tell you, come fight him. But he's not on the other side of your door after he locked you in. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Just bullshit.

Like a keyboard warrior. Yeah. But yeah, now, there was a lot of fights in intake. Like, intake's like, it's high. It's like, it's a lot of tension in there. because there's a lot of people facing a lot of time, a lot of people just coming in. There's a lot of fights there.

What was the worst one you saw? Probably two kids fighting under the stairs. Two kids fighting on the stairs. One of them was a porter. We used to stay at the window. I know that's an honor when the feds, but in the States, some people, like when I say the window to the bubble, the CO bubble.

So he's sitting there. You know, he used to always be there. So people, you know, they'd be like, he's a rat. He's a rat. But it's like, you know, if he's a rat, he probably ain't going to be, you know, doing it like that. Whatever the case, but the kid called him a rat. It was both big.

One of them was like 6-2-400. Other one was like 6-5-300. They fought, man. It got bad. One of them, like, he looked. He was swelled up by the end, you know? But it was his fist. Like, seeing one kid get sliced, you know?

Wasn't nothing bad. Seeing a kid get strangled with a TV wire. You know, some shit like that. Never nothing too serious, though. Devon's shit was honestly the funniest. I feel bad because, like, when I see him, I doubt that one up. I fuck with him. But that was the funniest fight I seen.

Like, I seen a kid like you get dropped by the black dude. The kid was a crackhead. So, and he used to pop up at the mouth to people. He popped off to the wrong dude. And he just hit him one time. Bob, it was so loud. He must have broke his jaw or something. What are the politics there?

There's no, like, no, and it's not really no racial shit going on there. Like, I hung out with everybody, you know? Like, there's certain, like, in Rhode Island, it's more like, where you're from, like, the neighborhoods, there's certain neighborhoods that don't get along. And, you know, as long as you stay out of that, you're good. Like, there's people, there's white, black, and Spanish people cooking together, man. You know what I'm trying to say? Like, we ate with everybody.

Like, it's not like, oh, you eat with this one, you eat with that. Spanish people tend to stick together more than anything, but, like, that even that Like, they're not like, my cello-spanish, we're together every night. You know what I'm saying? Like, we have to become a real good friends, you know? How many prisons are there in Rhode Island? It's a pretty small state. We got, so there you got intake, then you got high side, which is like 23 and one lockdown.

You got max, medium, minimum, and you got the women's facility, and you got Wyatt. Why? I was that Wyatt. The Wyatt. Are state guys going to Wyatt? No, that's the Fets. You know that. Yeah. bad detention facility.

I didn't know if it kind of doubled as anything. Nah, no. That's just, you know, there's people there from like Cali, Vegas, all sorts of shit. Yeah, all over the tri-state. Where they put you there and then send you to Fort Dix or something? Yeah, I went from there to Brooklyn after I got sentenced. And then from Brooklyn at Brooklyn, MDC to Jert Fort Dix. Brooklyn's the suck.

Brooklyn's the worst. It's a detention center. All those buildings. My boy and Wyatt is funny because he was like, ah, I'm going to have to go to D.C. They're going to send me to Brooklyn out of that. I was like, he was pissed, but he ended up, he's right here in Danbury. Really? What year did you get the Danbury?

He got there. Shit. Last year? Yeah, 24 maybe. Or the beginning of this year? Long after I was there. He's been in Wyatt for like three and a half. He got locked up in 2021.

So he was just fighting his case all those years? Yeah, and Wyatt took like three years. Dude, Wyatt sucks too, man. I mean, I think that's even worse than Brooklyn. They skimpy on the food. I mean, commissary is cool. How you can order it and you can order. Yeah, the same day, right?

Yeah, well, they also do, like, where your family can pick a certain bag to send. That's fine. I mean, they can't pick the items, but there's, like, custom bags. Yeah, you can pick. And then back then you could order from a restaurant on Thursdays. Yeah. So you get, like, a slice of cake, a burger. Yeah, and my other boy was back in there, like, eight, nine years ago, we used to order them chicken sandwiches.

Yeah, well, yeah, where you went, why? 2016, 2016. And my boy might have been in November, December. I mean, there's so many units and stuff, but, yeah, it's interesting. You know, I definitely like Brooklyn better than Wyatt, though. Yeah. Yeah. The Wyatt has a lot of rules, and it's also privately owned too.

That's the thing. It's Donald J. Fucking Wyatt. It's bad. The Lord of that guy is just making a killing. He's fucking rich, yeah. He's fucking rich. So what would, if you weren't on work release, what would you be doing during the day?

Just there, you don't do shit. You could go up with, like, there'll be certain times. Like, they'll open up the rec yard. You go play basketball. I used to go over there, you know, around the world. I play around the world with people and I beat everybody because no one could make the half-court shot. I'm winning a couple dollars a day. I'm making dinner doing that.

I would love not going to work, you know, but certain days, holidays, CO, short staff, whatever. But like minimum, there's not much to do. I tried getting in the barbershop. He didn't let me in. He let me go hang out with shit, but he wouldn't let me work because that was for people trying to get their license. I was already established, you know. So he kind of just, the CEO wouldn't let me in there as a job and shit. I just got stuck on that litter crew bullshit.

Aside from cigarettes, was there other contraband in the prison? Barely. If there was weed, like, you know about it, people would go down right away. There was an overdose. They found a person who had it right away. Like, it's bad at like that over there. There's so many people telling. You can't do nothing.

Even Rhode Island as a whole, like, it's washed. Why do so many people tell what's the benefit for them at, like, say, a minimum? No clue. I couldn't tell you'd have to ask them. You got to get a rat on here and ask them. You got to ask your boy Matt Cox or something. Why, you're not a Matt Cox fan? No, I was, but it's like, it's the same thing as, like, until I found out he told.

It's because it's like watching, you know, you watch Goodfellas for the first time. Henry Hill, he's like to dope the whole movie, and then he tells on his friends at the end. It's like just disappointing. It's like, yeah. Oh, so you are. a MacHawks fan and then you found out. Yeah, and then I was like, oh, I used to just watch his, just his podcast and shit, you know?

Like, I knew he was making money hitting banks doing fraud shit. Like, I'm under that type of shit. So, like, I'm not into it, but I'm interested in it. You know what I'm saying? I mean, he does do a great job. When I found out, he told him, like, the fuck, man. Like, you know? I saw some comments on the clips because we post old clips to bring traction to other episodes.

And someone was like, I didn't know he was a rat or this or that. It's funny. I mean, to me, I don't really care. I interview people at snitch. You know, it doesn't matter to me. I know some people take offense to if a person's snitch or not. It's not something I would do, you know, what he did.

See, I'm starting to learn that now with certain, like, trying to evolve in businesses and stuff. Like, Walmart don't go to sign that says no snitching. You get what I'm saying? So it's like, if you're going to limit yourself to just street shit, like, oh, I don't fuck with no snitches. So it's, obviously, like, I'm not. I'm not going to, like, you know, it's weird. It's weird.

It's a weird fence. Like, I'm not going to sit here and be friends with you. But you're like, yeah, I'll rent your car, yeah, yep. Me a license and the money, yeah. I rent your car. You know what I mean? So what were you thinking about towards, like, the end of your sentence? What do you want to do?

What I was going to do? So when I was in there, it's kid I'm not, he was my boy at the time. He ends up, he opened. I worked with him for years at one shop at a barber shop, and he was opening another one. So I went. And I went and started working with him. We were doing real good over there. And then, like, I ended up just moving around the corner.

And I cut her over there. Like I said, you know, like, I can't, there's too much downtime cutting here. Like, I can't sit there for an hour away for somebody. So I got to, you know, that's why I do the construction now. So I do the construction. Cut here. Do the rental cars. Do a little bit of everything, you know.

Let's try to make money, man. Take care of the kids. That's it Some barbers will keep you in the chair for Forever That's my pet peeve 30 minutes tops I can't do it

Like I've gone to like some hour Haircuts I fucking hate that I'm like how does it take an hour It's ridiculous A lot of yapping That's why I still go to the mall Because it's just in and out

Yeah The guy there knows Like five 10 minutes Boom boom boom I'm out of there You gotta learn how to walk and chew gum Man I like to keep it quick And now these haircut prices

Are getting expensive too Where you pay? 50 No at the mall I'm 33 now. Yeah, that ain't bad. Like, I tell it's 35. No, but I see people's posts about $100. Yeah.

Yeah. How do you charge $100 for a haircut? And that's cheap to some people. But also a lot of these places are experience-based now. Yeah, yeah. Where, like, you go and you get the drink, you get the whole, the massage chair, you get all that. All of that. So getting out of prison, what were some challenges for you?

Shit, everything. Getting a car, getting a house, shit like that. It was real hard to. of the house. I was in me getting fake pay stubs. I fucking did everything. If I passed the pay stubs and the credit check, I didn't pass the,

uh, something else. It was always something. And then finally we ended up getting a spot. And it took forever, though, you know? Was it hard to find work?

Not because my boy opened a barbershop. So I was writing there making money right away. But aside from that, you just did the barbershop. Like even not, like right now, like even right now, like even right now where I do the construction at, I work with my brother there.

He got me the job. Like, I can't, like, I tried to apply into Walmart at one point, and they wouldn't even hire me. For drug charges? Yeah. They wouldn't even hire me. So, it's, you know, it's just funny. Rhode Island's funny. There is.

Now, did you have, did you complete the four years of probation? Yeah. So after, after three years, it's like, no police contact. Like, once I got released, they told me, like, if you stay out of trouble for three years, we'll dismiss, you know, whatever you got left, to a drop. I only had a year left when it was time, but they dropped it. Not drop, but, like, you know, it just goes away. How strict was it? At first, so I got in trouble for selling drugs. There was no, there was no, it wasn't strict at all. Like, when I got out, I went to go tell the lady I'm out, my probation officer, like, hey, I'm out. She's like, you're going to work.

Like, yeah, at a barbershop over two weeks. It's like, no problem. And I told her, um, And then it went from like monthly to quarterly and then it was once a year like, you know, done. And then I didn't go for like 18 months probably and I finished. It wasn't crazy though, but like I didn't have no drug testing or nothing. Like I was able to smoke the day I came home. So wouldn't that have been a risk or no? No, because like when I signed like the judge, like it was part of my plea that there was going to be no drug testing because I'm gang. Like I tried the, oh, I'm a user.

And they were like, no, we don't believe. You're selling. So my lawyer's like, all right, well, since you think he's selling, there's not going to be no drug testing, right? Yeah, no, no drug testing. You know what I'm saying? So that's how that went. No, I thought drug testing was just standard for every type of probation.

No, not at all. Maybe in certain state, not Rhode Island. If you got caught with a gun, and when you come home, you're not going to have a piss test. So would you have violated if you were tested? Like, would it have been an issue for you to stop smoking? Maybe. I don't know.

I don't know with the weed. Maybe if there was, like, coke in my system because I got in trouble for cocaine, maybe, but I don't think with the weed, like, now, like, weeds legal Rhode Island, everyone smokes it, you know? Did you have the itch to sell drugs again to start hustling to make that fast money? I almost did.

I almost did. I wanted too bad. What stopped you? My son, when I was locked up, my son, so his mother's not really, my oldest son, his mother's not around. So, like, when I was locked up, he was with my mother. He's three, four years old. And I'm like, I gotta be there for him.

I can't, like, I don't, like, jailed it. Like, once I made it to minimal, I was like, I can do this. Like, nothing. You know what I'm saying? Eating, like, chilling. Watching Teets are doing nothing. Like, it's not hard to do. You know, it's really not.

And there ain't no crazy time. Like, but I just, I was like, I gotta be there for him, take care of him. He's not gonna have no parents at all. You know what I'm saying? His mom's a loser, so. Straight up. She is. She's a goofball.

She tried to take them back a few times, but... Were your parents there for you when you got out of prison? Were they supportive? Nah, they weren't. Nah. And I always had supportive parents, but after that, I think they were just done with me. And they weren't. And I had to, like, I had to, like, I live in my boy for a few months.

And he lost that spot. And I ended up having to go to my pop's crib for a little while. ended up lent me there. I only stayed for a few months and then me and my girl got the spot. But yeah, like, they weren't at first. But over time, like, it got a little better, but they kind of didn't, you know, they didn't want to fuck with me. They were like, like, I was all over the news, like, they were embarrassed. I think my dad's still embarrassed about that shit, you know? Because my dad, like, he went to Providence College. You know, like, I said, like, he was never, he never, like, I don't know. Like, this shit, like, he never really

taught me much, you know? The only thing he had to be. never really taught me was don't hit women, you know. Never told me how to be a man. He never taught me about pride. You never taught me about certain shit, you know what I mean? So it was this shit I had to learn elsewhere. Have you distanced yourself from people that you were hanging out with before prison?

Yeah, for sure. Like that's why you see who I'm with now. Like, see what I'm doing now? Like, it's not like he's somebody I grew up. Like, you know, this is new type of people. That's I'm trying to do new things. Like, so I realize you gotta separate myself from, that crowd, you know.

Because even I was telling my girl, I'm like, what? She was like, oh, I'm bringing them. She's like, oh, how come you not bringing something? What I'm going to do with them? The same shit I've been doing forever. Like, I'm trying to, you know, I'm trying to change, trying to level up. Yeah, who you hang around with is so important. It is.

Because you're basically, you're going to end up like them, you know? I don't want to be with you when you're like, like, you see a tent of car. You know, be on point, be on point, be on point. Like, I'm good, bro. Fucking 34. How many kids do you have? Too. How are you going to make sure that they, you know, don't go out of your breath?

I'm on them. I'm not gullible. Like, my girl, full for some bullshit. Like, I'm on it. Being her will fight because she'll believe my stepson will. My stepson's a great kid. I don't want to make it. There'll be some shit happen.

I'll be like, I don't believe him. Like, she'll just, I'm like, bro, he's a 14-year-old boy. You don't think he's fucking lying? Like, there's not a 14-year-old boy out here that hasn't lied. Not one. You know what I mean? Like, so, this is funny. It's funny watching him grow up, but like, I'm there.

Like, my dad was day on the weekends. I'm there. I'm with my kids. Like, I'm with my youngest. He's five. I'm with him as much as I can be. On my free time, I'm with him. Like, I don't want to do shit.

Whatever he wants to do, that's what I want to do. As long as I made my money for the day, whatever the case is, whatever I had to do, I'm with him. What are the biggest morals you want to instill in them? Like, having pride in yourself. Like, don't ever, don't degrade yourself. You have respect people. Don't ever tell on people, which is, it's disgraceful nowadays, the amount of snitches that's just, like, how it's just okay. Like, it's, even if you're not, like, even if you're not a street guy, like, you know, just cops don't tell on each other.

And I don't really like cops like that. Like, I'm not a fucking fan of them. I don't donate to them. They never, I never got arrested for doing the right thing, but, you know what I'm trying to say? like I just like with your kids you got to make sure like love your family treat women right make sure your friends ain't you know getting over on you make sure you ain't getting over on them there's certain values you got instill but do you think that teaching them about the whole no snitching thing kind of sets them down to the you know like the street life mindset no I don't think so

I think it's it's just part of being a man like like just I don't believe it's about the streets no But like, I will tell them, oh, don't be a snitch, but I'm like, stop, stop telling. Stop telling your brother. Stop this, that's, you know, tell on people. You know what I mean? And hopefully they'll never get into a situation where they will have to, like, a police man would want them to snitch or a detective vet is asking them for information or even anything like that, you know? Because like I said, I'm on them. Like, I'm on them.

Like, I'm on him. Like, we're on them. You know what I mean? He's 14. So it's a little different. but like with the whole mind your business that's basically like mind your business no snitch and mind like mind your fucking business if you mind your business you'll never have to snitch you know what i'm trying to say if you just mind your business you'll never have to tell in

anybody anyways you know it is what it is only time you should be calling the cops is if you need a fucking accident report. Something got stolen from you that's insured. All for reports. Like, you know, we don't call the car. None of that, you know? If you got in a car accident, you can just exchange information, go ahead.

You don't leave the cops out of it. What's something you wish your parents taught you as a kid? Everything I just said, I'm going to teach my kids. Plus some. I wish they told me, like, like go to school or told me what credit. Like, I didn't know what credit was until I was 22, 21, 22. I had no clue.

I had a 740 from paying my student loan at Baba school. I was like, how bad is that? I was like, oh, it's real good. I'm like, yeah, all right, you know. But just shit like that, like the morals respect, having pride. No one went to talk your pride. Sometimes you got to, you know what I mean? It's tough to do that.

Like, I didn't learn that until, I learned that in Bible school. My teacher, his name is Troy Perry. He did 12 years for killing somebody. He came on parole, whatever that. He caught, did 20, came on parole, whatever it is. He taught me about that shit. Like, sometimes you're going to have to tuck your pride as a man. Like, he was, like, playing in some situation.

I was like, oh, that's what I've been feeling all these years. That's pride. I didn't know that. You know what I mean? Like, I never knew that. So once I learned that, like, I changed a lot then. That was a big pivot for me. And I was still, you know,

doing the wrong shit, but like that. Just got, like, I don't know. Do you feel like you've worked through all that anger that you were experiencing in your childhood? Yeah, for the most part. I still lash out sometimes, like,

you know, shit will happen. I still get angry sometimes. A bug out, but, you know. Like, my childhood wasn't that bad. Like, I had a good childhood. Like, I said, I still don't know why I was mad. Like, I just used to be a little dickhead.

Like, just the fucking asshole. Hey, we've all been there, Yeah, like it's just, it is what it is. Like, I was always good when I was out, but I'd just be bad at school. I was good for my mom. Me and my mom would beef, but I was good for her for the most part. I'd like to think so anyway, but like I was just bad at school. I hated school.

Always, you know, it's one of them. Me and you both, man. Yeah. Well, Matt, I appreciate you coming on the show today. Thank you. I appreciate it. Yeah, it was good catching up with you and, you know, keep doing your thing. And maybe we'll see in one of those G-wagons driving around.

Yeah. Definitely. We will. Awesome, bro. We'll be in it too soon. No, I'm not really a flashy type of person like that these days. No, maybe. You know, you got show further in it. Show further.

Yeah, I don't need to be doing any of that. But I appreciate you coming on the show today, man. For sure. I appreciate it, bro. Thank you.