Locked In with Ian Bick - I Was the President of the Hells Angels — Here’s Why I Left | Charles "Pee Wee" Goldsmith

Episode Date: November 25, 2024

Charles "Pee Wee" Goldsmith, former president of the Hells Angels' Las Vegas chapter, shares his remarkable journey from his early days in Milwaukee to leading one of the most notorious motorcycle clubs. He discusses his rise to power, the events leading to his imprisonment, and his eventual departure from the Hells Angels. Charles also reflects on his experiences, including the 2008 Las Vegas chapel melee that led to his arrest and subsequent prison sentence. #HellsAngels #MotorcycleClub #OutlawBiker #CharlesGoldsmith #TrueCrimeStories #BikerGangLeader #LifeAfterCrime #PrisonConfessions Thank you to LUCY for sponsoring this episode: Go to http://lucy.co/ianbick and use promo code IANBICK to get 20% off your first order. Lucy has a 30-day refund policy if you change your mind.  Connect with Charles “Pee Wee” Goldsmith & buy his book: https://charliepeeweegoldsmith.com/ Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Presented by Tyson 2.0 & Wooooo Energy: https://tyson20.com/ https://woooooenergy.com/ Buy Merch: https://www.ianbick.com/shop Use code lockedin at checkout to get 20% off your order Timestamps: 00:00:00 Peewee's Journey to Becoming an Author 00:09:29 Confrontation at the Restaurant 00:20:06 Encounter and Lessons on Respect 00:28:43 Childhood Memories and Fights 00:38:19 Childhood Memories and Family Struggles 00:49:59 High Stakes Wrestling Tournament Victory 00:57:57 The Dangers of Riding with Passengers 01:17:47 Rudy's Return from Prison 01:27:54 Growing a Motorcycle Club Chapter 01:37:25 Unexpected Confrontations 01:47:03 Navigating Plea Deals and Legal Challenges 01:56:59 Legal Troubles and Middleman Concerns 02:07:23 A Meeting with Cliff 02:17:15 Reflections on Brotherhood and Loyalty 02:27:00 Navigating Old Rumors and Courtesy Calls 02:36:01 Respect and Boundaries in Conflicts Powered by: Just Media House : https://www.justmediahouse.com/ Creative direction, design, assets, support by FWRD: https://www.fwrd.co Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And thanks for inviting me successfully the middle of nowhere. Exactly. With no cell service. Right, right. That's why I like it. And for giving us a tour and also for giving us a copy of your book, which will have the link in the bio for this. All right. Thank you.

This is available on Amazon too. Amazon and off my website, yeah. Okay. And you wrote this book too? I wrote it. Awesome. When did this come out? The beginning of this year.

Oh, this is fairly new. Yeah. Wow. That's so cool. It took me in 10 years and write it. It's thick too. Yeah. And it was funny because when I wrote the book, you know, you're writing it on a computer

on a word, you know, on a word, what does it call, word process or something? Microsoft Word. Yeah, Microsoft Word. So as you write in it, you're writing it on 11 by 8 and a half, right? On the sheets, that's okay there. And so I'm writing it. I call the editor up and he says, well, how many pages are, I said, like 190.

Ooh. He goes, you want it to be at least $2.250, you know? And I said, oh, man. I go, well, where am I going to come up with more stuff? And he goes, can't you just like make shit up? I said, I don't do that.

I'll make shit up. And he says, well, we'll see what happens. What happened was then they take it and they shrink it to a six by nine in the paperback, and it came out to like 304 pages. because everything got shrunk and they had to rearrange it all in.

Wow. And I put a lot of pictures in there because I think a book with pictures tells the story more, you know, because as you read in, you see the picture and you're like, oh,

and you know, you can visualize what's going on. That's like video podcasting. In person, that's why I don't do Zoom. Just this dynamic, you know, you gave us a tour,

seeing all of this. This is cool, you know, an awesome space to record in. Did you ever envision you would write a book when, you know, where you've lived this crazy life, you know, and most people in your position do not write a book. No, bro.

Because I'm going to tell you something. Even though I graduated from high school and I went three years of college, you know, and rustled and stuff, I never read a book. I never physically sat down and write a book until I went to prison. And I read this book about like card collectors and stuff. And it was a pretty big book. It was like 270 pages. And I read it and I was like, wow, I'm pretty.

keeping this book, man. This is the first book I read. I'm 57 years old. So then I got a couple more books and then I read them, you know, so I read like four books. So I thought, man, I got to get it. When I get out of it, I'm going to finish my book. When I got out, I had to rewrite it and rewrite it and rewrite it over and over. And then, you know, my spelling is horrible. And I don't know why. Every time I hit spell check, it wasn't spell check for me. So you know the old famous bubble telephone. You know, the phone, and then you say the shit on the phone, and then it would give me the right spelling.

But I'm no, like, no type or like that either. I was like, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. So, I mean, it did. It took me a long time to write it. Yeah. But I tried to put it in there. You know, I wasn't trying to do, like, any bashing the club because that isn't how I feel.

You know what I mean? I was probably to be Hells Angel. And I don't, I didn't write the book like, you know, they're bad, you know. I just put in there for Joe Schmoe on this street to know what the life is really about before you make that commitment and go, hey, I want to do what you're doing.

So I wrote like, hey, you know, you want to be in that 1% world? This is the way it is. And I was real honest about it. And I don't mention a guy's name. He's out of the club, but I don't want to say his name on here, but he bought the book from me.

And it was funny because I saw his name. He's from Chicago. And I saw his name and I went, well, man, and I signed a book to him and stuff. I threw a card in there, call me, he naturally, he never did. He's out, he's out bad to him. And it's all bad club. It's getting bigger and bigger. And here's what I really liked about it.

I ran into another X-Hels Angel that lives in Madison, Chris, and him. I got him in the club. So him and I are still great friends, you know. I love him to death. and he says, hey, you know, I ran into so-and-so. He said he bought one of your books. I said, he did. He did buy one.

And I said, oh, why would he say? I was waiting for it. Oh, he said, it sucked. I was grateful when he said, he read it and he said, you know, everything he wrote in that book was true. That made me feel really good, man. Do you think that there's some people that are still in the club that secretly bought your book and supported you?

I know they do. Yeah. They're probably, they're buying it on Amazon. And shipping it's somewhere else. Right. Because I see all the names of the people, and then he'll say, you know, who do you want to sign to? Because some guy named Tony might buy it, but he wants to sign a bill, you know, so. That's incredible. Yeah.

And I'm sure this whole new world of podcasting is certainly new to you, too. I mean, I looked you up before we even met, and you barely done any interviews. Right. Was lagged your first one. I haven't done any in 14 years. Wow. And that also wasn't allowed, I'm assuming, back then. No, I'm saying I've been out of the club 14 years.

So, oh, sorry. So I didn't do anything for 14 years. I just mind my own business. I did my prison term, you know, I got out. I kind of stayed to myself. You know what I mean? But the thing is, being a guy like me, I was well-known, you know, and I was a shaker and a mover, and I made shit happen, you know what I mean?

And I started two charters in Vegas, you know, when I moved from San Francisco, And with all that being said, I, I find it very hard, you know, to blend in or blend out. I can't. Well, physically too. I'm 6'8, you know, 320 pounds right now. And every time I go somewhere, this is what I run into. That's him. I swear to God, that's him.

You know, and, oh, man, I'm standing up thinking, here comes the bullshit, you know. and it did happen to me in Conway, Arkansas. I was at Red Robin. And I said, hey, I never ate there. Let's go try that place. I still never have eight there. So we went in there, and I said, hey, I got to take a piss. So I ran into the bathroom.

I had shorts on, you know. So, and I had that down the back of my legs, the Hells Angels was on the back of my leg, and I ran into the bathroom. I heard the door open up. I was in a spot where I was pissing, and I swear to God, the wall and the other thing were like touching my shoulders. I was like this at the urnald. And that would have been a perfect opportunity for anybody to take me right there, you know.

And nobody came up to me, so I had a back out. I couldn't even turn around. I had a back out of the spot when I was done pissing, and I went over to sink. And when I was washing my hands, I looked over. over at the guy, you know, and he was just basically like standing like this, looking in the mirror. He wasn't doing anything but this. He's about your size, you know? But he was husky.

So I'm washing my hands when I look in the mirror, and as I look in the mirror, you know, I can see his face perfect. And he's staring in the mirror, and I look, and I see a MF-F-M on the top of his hat, Mongols forever, you know? Oh, I'm thinking of my head, you've got to be kidding me, man. I just got out of prison for fighting with these guys, you know? And now I'm out of the club. So in my brain, I'm out. There's no fight in my game anymore. You know what I mean?

I'm not in no, you know, I'm not pulling to Mike Tyson going back at a certain age here and fighting. So all I did was this. I looked at him, and then I looked. I saw the Mongol tattoo on his arm, and I kind of glanced down a little bit. And when I got done, I shook my hands, you know, the water off. I kind of chuckled a little bit, you know, and I turned around, and I walked over, I'm pulling a paper towel out. And he walks up like all badass, you know, and he goes,

what are you laughing about? And I thought, oh, come on, you got to be kidding me. I'll smash this guy, you know. I never lost the fight, bro. So I just looked at him. And I said nothing. He said, what, do you ride with a club or something? Well, he damn well knew what club I wrote.

with, you know. So real stupid, I put my hand out and I says, hey, I do it, man, I'm peewee. And he grabs my hand. Worse mistake he could have done. And I pull him into me. I grab his hand, and I pull him into me, and I go, yeah, I used to ride with the hell's angels. And he couldn't pull his hand out fast enough for mine. And then he looked at me and he goes, oh, yeah, you're that guy, the big guy from California who moved to Arkansas. You all know. And he says, and you moved here to retire. And I said, there's no retirement in Los Angeles. And he goes, yeah, that's what we heard.

I said, oh, you heard wrong. You're in or you're out? There is no in between. I'm out. I said, I quit, but then they wouldn't be tough guys and tell everybody they threw me out, and then they put me out bad like four months later. You know, that's their MO.

And he goes, oh, yeah. And I opened the door and I pushed him through. I was going to let him walk behind me because, let's face it, and he came in that bathroom to do something, but he lost his nerve. Am I right? He came in there. Why would he come in there?

Wash his hands with me? He came in there to do something, and he bawled up. He couldn't do it. So I pushed him through the door, not giving him that last chance to stab me in the back or something. When I pushed him through the door,

and he goes, yeah, that's all bullshit. That's bullshit. And when he said it, I jumped in front of his face and I said, what the fuck did you just say? And I said it really loud, dude. Everybody in the restaurant looked. His whole demeanor changed.

Well, you know, I mean, you know, like every club's different. That tough guy shit went right right through the wayside. I said, yeah, you're right. Every club is different. I go over there and sit down with your family for you get your head caved in, you know?

And he goes over and sits down and I walked up my wife and my daughter were there, and I said, what do you guys want to eat? And they're like, are you crazy? Because he was over there typing away on his phone, texting, you know. And I said, what? Thought we were going to eat here.

I want to get out of here right now. You know, my wife's eyes fell up. You know, she said, you want to prove that, you know, prove that you're some tough guy. And you want to say, I said, I am a tough guy. And she says, yeah, so you're going to stay here and go back to prison? we're going to lose everything. And, you know, I added the whole speech.

You know, I was getting torn. And then my daughter starts in on me. I go, man, you know, it's just go. But I says, this son of a bitch is going to call his friends when they come. He's going to tell me, ram me off. And that really in my inner soul bothered me. You know, the whole way home that was tearing my guts out. It tore my guts out for like months.

And I try to explain to my wife. I says, don't ever do that again. Don't ever make me walk away from a fight because I says, she said, you're going to fight 40 guys if they showed up? It's happened before. You know, I can't beat 40 guys up. Let's face it, they would have stopped me. You know what I mean?

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Now let's get back into today's episode. We've got to get you to a red robin. You've never had it. I know all the fries you can eat. No, but. But, so I never been, yeah, so I never ate there. So then when we left, yeah, that didn't really bother me. And then, you know, I'd be downtown a couple times in my town here.

And I'd seen, you know, the outlaw guys all the time. I just see them, you know, but I never say nothing to them. They never, they didn't see me. They never saw me. I was sitting in my truck. This is funny. You crack up. I'm coming down and one of their probates pulls right out to block traffic right in front of me.

And I'm sitting in a truck. And I'm just sitting there looking at him. He's probably, I don't know, maybe about three feet behind you away from my truck. I look over at my wife and I says, man, if he only knew who was sitting here behind the wheel, you know what I mean? Maybe a different outcome, you know, who would know? Because I just had that dealing with that, the Mongo guy, you know? But they all pulled out and they left.

And I really didn't have any problems. And I just went to Milwaukee a month ago for a car show. and I was just sitting there and, you know, they're big in Milwaukee, you know. The whole state of Wisconsin, you know, I mean, they run them pretty strict, you know. The outlaws do. And it was, you know, I had always hear stories every time I'd go because, you know, I'm from there, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. I was born and raised there. And I left when I was 38 to go to John the Hells Angels.

So I think, you know, that upset them, that pissed them off, you know, that I wanted to do. do that and not go there with me, maybe. I don't know. I mean, they've never really said that to me, but that's how I feel. And they approached me. They came at me at the car show, you know, and I thought, oh, here it goes. Either it's going to go bad or good. But one thing I realized, Ian, is that I don't feel anything anymore.

You know what I mean? I have, like, absolutely, like, you know, somebody, oh, one of my friends since grade school was standing there, and he says to me, hey, Chuck, is your heart pounding, man, are you scared? Because they were coming. There was like about 20 of them, you know.

Are you scared? I said, no, bro, I don't feel nothing. I felt nothing. I didn't feel fear. I didn't feel anything. That's what I told him. I said, hey, man, I don't hide. I don't run.

I'm here, man. What's up? And they just talked to me like men, you know? And it was cool. We shook hands and everything was cool. And, you know, it went really good, to be honest with you, you know? I mean, would I trust going into a room of 20 of them by myself?

Hell no. Ain't that stupid. So this blend in, blend out shit ain't working for me, okay, bro? All the guys, you know, who are smaller to me and stuff, go, hey, bro, in a while, I go, hey, that wears off for you. Don't wear off for me. Unless, you know, I mean, I'm going to be 68 next month, so let's hope I start shrinking a little bit or something, man.

You know, to me, you look like that biker that I grew up kind of like thinking bikers are. And when I see old pictures of you, it's just, I don't know, it feels like you fit them old now more than ever. Right. And that was cool, too, because, you know, when I go to Sturgis, people would walk up to me and go, man, this is what I see a hell's angel as, you know, like these giant giants, you know? and oh God forbid, man, if I took one picture, I knew the outcome, right?

Hey, can I get a picture with you, you and my wife, please? I put my arm around her, okay, man, being all nice. I'll send man, next year I know. They start lining up. They start lining up for pictures. And I would do it. You know, I would do it. Not to be a ham.

I did it because I was, I didn't want people to have like a bad, you know, Like a bad reputation of us, like, you know, we're a bunch of assholes and we don't, because I learned a lesson when I was a prospect. I've seen a member, we're standing outside of Gunner's Bar, and this guy walked by, and he said, hey, do you mind if I get a picture of you with your patch and stuff? And I can't remember the member. It was so long ago, it was 1994. And I remember the member said, no, get the fuck out of here, you know?

and his old-timer who's dead now. He's a great guy. And his name was Bo. He's from Omaha, Nebraska. He turned and he goes, listen, you're in the wrong club, buddy, if you're going to have an attitude like that. Because people love taking pictures of us and with us.

And if you're going to have that kind of attitude, you need to get out of this club because you're going to give everybody a bad, you know, a bad rep doing what you're doing. And I was a prospect standing there. And I heard that. So, I mean, you absorb. That's the learning session.

So I thought, yeah, yeah, that's right. That's where you got to do it. So the funny part was one of the baddest hell's names, he's dead now. His name was Ralph. He was bad. Bad dude, man. When I first met him, he just got out of still water for a manslaughter, right?

He's standing in front smoking a cigarette. where he's a big broad-shoulder guy, and this guy comes up behind him, you know? Now, I'm up against the wall, and I guess you couldn't see all the shit because I didn't have, like, the side rockers and all the stuff, all I had was Prospect, Minnesota. And I'll stand up against the wall like this,

and the guy comes over, and I see the guy he's doing the old look around, like, anybody going to see me? And he pulls his phone out, you know? He's trying to get a picture of Ralph's back, and he's doing it. I tap him on the shoulder. He jumps, right?

I said, hey, listen, man. Instead of being a sneaky bastard, why don't you just tap him and ask him, hey, do you mind if I take a picture of you? And real sincerity, a guy looked at me and said, I was going to, but I'm scared. I'm scared to, like, flip out on me or something. I said, well, you never know until you ask,

and I don't think he would flip out on you. He goes, okay, he leans forward, taps her out. Excuse me, I'll turn him to. Yeah, he goes, you mind if I take a picture back? No, go ahead. And I said, see? And I learned from that, bro. So when I would take the pictures,

and I go back to the shop, son, he goes, I saw y'all there taking all those pictures. And I said, oh, my God, don't you ever get sick of it? And he looks at me, goes, you know what, Peewee? People fear us, but they respect us. And I said, well, which one is better? He said, both. It's better for them that fear us

and respect us at the same point. time, which makes sense, right? And he goes, but I never, ever blow anybody off for a picture or a handshake. He said, I'm always going to it. And he goes, and I learn one thing. He says, I get more respect when people. And, you know, everybody respectfully and loves Sonny. Everybody did, you know, I mean, he was the guy. And he says, I like the way you do that. He was when I'm long gone and dead, he says, you're going to be the number one guy. I don't want to be the number one guy. I don't want to be the number one guy. And he goes, no, but it's your personality.

That's what carries you. But, you know, people who come in my shop, and I own that shop for 19 years. So I owned it before I was a Hells Angel. Oh, I used to make Buku money in there, Buku. And then all of a sudden, you know, I become a Hells Angel. I don't make any money. Nobody wanted to come around.

They're scared to walk in there. All the guys in the patches are stand outside. Shit, nobody'd open my door for, like, for the whole day. And then if they did open it, you know, they'd come in and they'd say, hey, can we get a picture with you? And they just walked through 20 Los Angeles and they want a picture with me. And after a while, man, I'd say to them, I'll give you a picture, buy a t-shirt or something, you know?

Because come on, man, you know, I'm trying to make money here too. I paid for the t-shirts. So, yeah, buy a t-shirt and something like that. But there was a couple times left by Gunners, it was funny where they were like, can we get a picture with you? and all the guys were sitting at the bar so I just said, hey, what's your favorite drink, man? I'll make people buy drinks.

Bro, there were so many drinks on the table. I'm not bullshit in you. There were so many drinks, the ice cubes all melted, and they were, like, all sweating on the table. The whole table was soaked. There were so many drinks coming. I said, yeah, get me whiskey sour, or wherever the hell they were, you know, whiskey and Coke,

and they would buy them. I don't drink. So they were on the table, and then all these guys were slamming them and stuff, after, wow, they even got sick of them. And they got out and they left. You never drank ever? I've drank, you know what I mean? I've drank, but I don't,

I can probably count in both hands so many times I've been drunk. Wow. Yeah. Incredible. Well, I grew up in a, it's like I told the other guy, I grew up in a situation

where my dad was an alcoholic. My stepdad was an alcoholic. He used to beat the crap out of me, right? I mean, whatever he could pick up, a board, whatever he beat me with. And then my ma never was a drinker. My mother never drank. My grandfather was a drunk. Bad one.

Beating up my grandma and stuff. He fell down in a snowbank drunk and froze to death. That's what they found him. So I've got this big thing of drunks in my family. And maybe that's why I don't do it. I mean, I'm not saying in my brain, that tell me, oh, I don't want to be, maybe that's why I don't drink. Was your mom in the picture growing up?

Oh, yeah, she was always there. She, yeah, she was there. She didn't want me to, like, write stuff. Like, the first draft of the book that I did, you know, I would tell, like, the stories of my stepdad, Leroy, he'd be like, pounding. Come on, man, he punched me in the face in fourth grade. What are you? About eight, nine years old in fourth grade?

He punched me in the face, he knocked me out. The only guy to knock me out, but you can't count. kid. So he turned me around, he spun me around, and punched me in the face because I wasn't going fast enough to carry the garbage out and put the dishes away. So yeah, he thought he was a tough guy. And he broke my nose. And I wrote in the book, you know, he broke my nose and we were driving to the hospital. I mean, my nose, I had the black eyes. And my mom said, you know, please, when we get there, honey, please, you know, just tell him that you fell down the stairs, you know, because we don't want to place.

But back then, child abuse wasn't like, when I was a kid, child abuse wasn't like the big thing. You know what I mean? You got spanked. You got spanked. You know, I don't know how old you are, but I'm just saying when we were kids, you know, we got spanked. Yeah, I'm 29.

Okay. So now you got kids today. You touch me, I'll call the cops, which, come on, that was totally unheard of me. I mean, I couldn't tell you how many times they got my ass whipped, you know? But there's a point. where you get your ass whipped, spank for doing something wrong. And there's a point where you punch a kid in a face and you beat him with a board.

And, you know, I'm in my bedroom changing shirt. He runs into where the belt starts whipping me like, you know, like Spartacus or something, you know, ripping horses. But, yeah, there's that fine line you got to draw. So I think that's why I think that's why I didn't drink. And, you know, I just stayed away because it was like almost in my whole family. And my wife, my wife for 38 years, she had a bad, bad drinking problem. And now, you know, we're out here, we're taking care of her.

She hasn't drank a drop in over a year. She's totally clean, sober. She's doing good. You know what I mean? She's looking good. She feels good. And so I was thinking to myself, oh, my God. And I'm like, why, you know?

I couldn't believe it. I really, I mean, it was like my M.O. You know, everywhere I went, it was like following me. Did you have a relationship with your dad at all? Not at all. I mean, he was in prison for robbery, the robbing bar or something. He was a driver. And he got a two to five.

So he went to Walpon in Wisconsin, Walpon prison. And he got out. I was already two years old. And then he stuck around until I was five. and then, you know, him in my mouth, divorced. I think I saw him once when I was 12, and I think I saw him, I think I saw him when I was like 18. No, no, I, I didn't see him.

My uncle called him when I took state and wrestling, and he said, hey, someone wants to talk to you, and I picked up the phone, I said, hello, and he says, hey, son, like we never left off anywhere, you know? Hey, son, I'm so proud. I just watched you on TV take state, man. I'm so proud. I just hung the phone up.

Didn't mean shit to me. Come on, man. I mean, the guy, the guy was never there in my life. And him being proud of me, didn't mean shit. And then the next time I seen him, I won the tough man contest.

Remember those? Yeah, yeah. Come on down. And you go down there and you fight. Well, I was knocking all these dudes out first round. I was smashing them, right? And at the end of it, when I won it,

I was walking around the ring and I was shaking hands. hands. And I reached out and I grabbed this guy's hand. I didn't see his face. I was just shaking hands. And the guy pulled me. Like he was going to pull me through the ropes. And I, what? You know, and I thought it was somebody who didn't like me or something. I looked and it was him and he goes, hey, son, I like, all of his hand. I was like, whatever. And then I think the next time I see him, I was, I was in my late 30s doing the Hell's Angel prospect thing. And I think he told me he was very disappointed at me.

He was embarrassed that I was doing that. Him of all people, you know what I mean? Who was in prison himself. Who was in prison himself. All three of his boys in his next marriage after my mother. All three of his boys were in prison. Even his daughter was in prison. You know I mean?

And he's still got one son in prison right now. The youngest. And he's doing 161 years. Wow. For rape and sodomy and stuff, he did some girl. But I never, like, knew those kids growing up. You know what I mean? We, like, never intermingle.

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And as the odds move, you can buy in or out anytime throughout the post season. For a limited time, download the Calci app and use code hoops to get $10 when you trade $10. KLSHI, Calci, trade on anything. Hey, brother, how are you doing, man? How would people describe you as a kid? And did people pick on you because of your height? No, nobody, you know what? honestly God

I've been I've been like a fighter my whole life you know it was just like installed in me you know even as a kid I would fight kids that were like way older to me

and I'm not going to sit here and give you bullshit stories they kick the shit out of me you know but you learn from getting your ass kicked so I was in third grade you know and a sixth grade kid stomps me

you know beats me up stomps on my face breaks my nose I had my nose broke four times I just got a fix last year and he stomped on my face and it was for some, I don't know, some bullshit. They lived right next door to us and, you know, we had like this family feud going on. But, no, they really didn't, nobody ever went out of her way to pick on me. And I can tell you this will crack you up.

First grade, I went to St. Mary's Chesahova Catholic School, right? May mommy communion there and I was an altar boy and doing the whole thing. out on the playground, this boy pushed me down, we're running, and he pushed me down. And I got up, I turned out, popped him right in the mouth. They called me in the office. They called my mother. The nun that was running it.

The sister tells my mom, we had never had another boy punch, another boy in the face at this school ever. So I was like the antichrist, you know? I had a boy in a face. So they told me I had to leave. So I go to public school. And then I went to public school all the way up to, like, sixth grade.

And then I went to a Catholic school again for seventh and eighth. And I still talk to those kids. I just reunited with them. They call themselves the greyhounds, give them a shout out. And I got to see them after, I haven't seen them since eighth grade. I just seen them this summer. I met with them when we went and had coffee. And it was really good to see them.

I mean, really good to see them. But that, I guess, set a pattern for me, right? Punching a boy in the face for the first time. And then that was back in 19, just to show I hold, 1963. Because, you know, I remember? I walked into the classroom. Everybody was sitting there for watching TV and all the kids were crying. And I just came back from the bathroom.

And I'm looking around like, what the hell? Why is everybody freaking crying for? I look on a TV and it says, the president is dead. Who John F. Kennedy got shot. And not to be cold, but I was just standing there like, why would I cry? I don't even know the guy.

Who cares? You're a kid. I'm a kid, but they were all crying. But that's yours. That's how I can remember exactly what year it was, 1963. Wow. So then I went to the public schools after that.

And oh, my God, bro, I can't even get in the tell you the fights. That's why I don't exaggerate in the book. when I said, hey, I've probably been like 260 street fights, not counting the 40 professional fights, you know. Is that why you got into wrestling in sports? I got into wrestling when I went to the military academy. My mom sent me there to straighten me out. You know, that worked out, right?

So I went to the military school and they said, you have to go out for a sport there. You just can't sit around and be. So either they said you go out for basketball, which I couldn't stand. go out for hockey No hockey I would have liked you know or you go out for wrestling or you do inter-mirro stuff

which is like basically it was like for like the retarts in there you know what I mean playing volleyball bad midter stuff like that well I didn't think I fit in there okay so I thought about and I said man you know what

I think I'm gonna try the wrestling thing even though I could ice skate really good you know and I thought I had her you're getting good fights on the ice too but I wanted to wrestle. And I'm glad I chose that because it really, honest to God,

it's weird to tell you this for people to believe it, but honestly, it was like in my blood, you know, it came so natural to me. I picked up on it so easy and, I mean, just my movements. I had wrestling coaches see me years

after I graduated, after I was out of college, at a bar or a restaurant eating. I come up to me, hey, Charlie Goldsmith? Yeah. I'm coach Sean, so I used to coach Nathan Hill High School. And I said, hey, how you doing?

I shake his head, how you doing, coach? He said, you know, you were one of the best heavyweight wrestlers I ever saw. He said, you wrestle like a lightweight guy. You know, I didn't come out of her. I weighed 260 pounds, 6'6. You know, I was in really good shape. I ran a mile every day. Could run in 655.

That's pretty good, right, for heavyweight? Damn good, yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I was running a 40-yard dash, like five-flat. So, I mean, stuff like that, you know, the wrestling came to me natural. That's what I think. And when I was 11 years old, I told my mother, I want to learn how to box real good. So I went down to this place called Milwaukee Christian Center.

And I'll never forget it. Old Indian guy, Teddy Cyclone Porter. That was his name. man, his nose was smashed to his face. And he was no prize for aider, you know. And, man, he'd get me in there. But shit, bro, he'd put me in there, you know. I told you I was 11 years old.

He had me in there fighting like 15, 16-year-old kids, you know. And, man, they were knocking me on my ass. And I stayed with it. I stayed with it. And I was getting better and better. And he says, hey, I want you to fight the golden gloves. My mom would not sign the paperwork for me to fight the golden gloves because she's like, oh, I don't want you involved in all.

I don't want you involved in that life. She only knew the life I was about to get into, you know? She would have changed her mind. So I could remember at 15 years old fighting 19-year-old guys. And I'll never forget this guy's name. His name was Jim. And he's built like a brick shit house. And I knew he was on Roids, man,

because he had big boils all over his body. You know what I mean? because how you break out from the steroids. I know I did them, you know, so, yeah, they make you break out pretty bad to the oils in them and stuff, you know. I'd fight him, I swear to God, bro. He would hit me and blow me off my feet like, you know, like it was in the movies.

A chain was wrapped around you. I'd hit the ground, and I'd be like, tears of my eyes, and you know, Teddy say, get up, get up. Yeah, you're a tough guy, you know, and he installed that in my head. And Leroy, too. My stepdad? Oh, that's son of a bitch.

Yeah, he got me in, uh, I got punched in the face by this 38-year-old guy. I was 16 years old. So I like a Shiner, I come in the house. My mom says, what happened to you? I said, we were playing basketball along the road here and, you know, bouncing the ball off the backboard. This guy comes out and says, hey, man, I work third shift. You guys are waking me up.

And I said, all of the next I know he punches me in the face because I was the biggest kid so he probably figured I was like 18, 19 years old, you know, but I was only 16. So, uh, he punches me in the nose or in the eye. I go home and Leroy says, oh, some bitch thinks he's a tough guy. And I'm thinking, wow, because he never sticks up for me, bro, never. And he's like, oh, he thinks he's a tough guy. Well, let's go over and see how tough he really is. I'm thinking, hey, are you kidding me?

So I walk over there. I'm a proud, bro. I'm walking with him, you know, and we get over. over there, and he walks up to the guy and he says, hey, do you punch my kid in the face? I never call him dad. I always call him Leroy. I would never call him dad, never, because I hated him, you know.

And he said, do you punch my kid in the face? And the guy looks at him and goes, yeah, yeah, he did. Like he thought him and Leroy were going to fight. So did I. Leroy steps back and says, I think it's pretty chicken shit. You come around the corner and sucker punch him in the face. why don't you fight him straight on and straight up.

I looked over, I'm like, are you kidding me? So the guy goes, come on, man. He puts his hands up. But I already told you, I was doing some boxing. So I thought, well, here it goes, man. Let's see my boxing schools. I stepped in and he throws a punch at me. I kind of duck it.

I throw one, and I glaze it off his face. But it was nothing compared to his. And he was a big guy. Pow, he hits me, boom, he drops me to the ground. I'm getting up. I thought Lierre would jump in and, like, stop it. Hell no, man. He let the guy pound on me.

And he did it twice. Some kids, when I was walking home, I was walking down the alley, and they were smoking weed. They were like ninth grade. I was in sixth grade. And I look at them. They look at me and they go,

what are you looking at? Well, I, you know, I was going to say anything because, I mean, they were like right there. So I just kept walking, you know. And they're looking at me. And, you know, as soon as they got far enough away, you know, I turned,

I go, fuck of you, you know? They come chasing me. And they were big dudes, man. And I ran, and I ran them. And I ran down the side by my house, and I ran in the door. I get into the door and Leroy's sitting there reading the paper. And he looks and goes, what's going on? I'm up in the puffing and I go, these guys try to beat me up, these older guys, you know, right away.

These older guys, you try to beat me up. He goes, the door opens up the door. Hey, what the hell is going on here? They're still standing there. And they said, hey, that little son bitch flipped us off and supposed to get fucked, you know. He didn't ask for the rest of the story. He didn't ask what they said to me. So he looks at me and he goes, oh, you said that to him?

Grasms me, throws me out and says, here, they pound the shit out of me, bro. So, you know, I was going to put that, I put that all my first copy of the first book that I drafted. And my mother starts crying, and she goes, are you really going to put all this stuff in here? her. Like, why are you crying? She's, he made me look like a bad mom, you know? Like, I ain't trying to do it to make it look like a bad mom, man. It's just

I'm just trying to say, you know, it's the character. I was trying to do, I was trying to do like Soltz was doing with me, you know, he asked me like through my childhood, you know, and I try to write the book, like, to let people know who I am

and how he grew up and who I am, the person. But, you know, every time you talk to these writers, if you ever had anything to do it, the first thing out of her mouth was, hey, man, nobody gives us shit about you growing up and all that stuff. Start like when you were in the sinners and then we became a hells and that's all they care about.

I said, well, that's bullshit. If nobody wants to know who I am, I'm just going to write about that. I wasn't born. I wasn't born that. So I want to tell the story of who I am. and most of those writer guys said nah this is shit this is shit

and they like put big X through it this is shit and I'm sorry I took that out I really am so I did start it like kind of when I was a kid you know I just kind of said yeah my mom was you know always looking for love in the wrong places you know and these goons you know I says my biological dad was a piece of shit

you know my stepdad was a piece of shit I kept it short I kept it short And I Then I get rid of I got right into the wrestling part And then the kickboxing And then from there

I did what you know I was a greaser You know like you can see all the old rock and roll Pictures around me and stuff I grew up in that era where You know as guys we all combed their hair back And it wasn't it wasn't like we were trying to be somebody else It was just us

It was just the way we were And it's it was was the best at times. As I told so was twice, I says, you know why it was the best? It outlived the sinners, the Hells Angels, all that shit. Even though I got really good brothers out of the Hells Angels, I did that. They're all out now. We're all in this big group together called Brothers for Life, 147 of us.

And we all get together, you know, we just have a big party. We don't sit and talk about it. We don't even talk about the club. Nobody gives this shit about it, you know? we just get together and you can see it's solid. Solid brothers. And it's pretty cool. So,

uh, I was losing my train of thought here. The, the Brothers for Life thing, I started, I first started it as group 51, X Hells Angels, but then I started letting other people in.

Like I got ex-pagans in there. I got ex-banditos, uh, ex-s sinners, all kinds of guys. So we're all like, but they're not out bad, you know what I mean? We're the only guys out bad. Other clubs don't do that.

I mean, the pagans do. The band eagles do. The Mongols too. And the Mongols too, yeah. And mooch. Yeah, but, but like the sinners and shit like that, they don't do that stuff.

And like, there's a guy's, there's a guy from the tribe. and a red demon or something like that. I've got like a bunch of guys, bro, if I had to figure out who they all were, but it seems to be working right now. You know, it's all good, and everybody's good. And I put on there, you know,

hey, listen, man, this site that I'm inviting into, this ain't a hate, a hate group. So if you're going to come on here and start ripping about the club and, you know, how you got fucked out, over and shit. I mean, come on. I don't want to hear it. I don't want to see it on here. I just said, I'll block it and throw you off the site. I said, this is just a group of guys who still want to be brothers, still want to ride together and stuff, which, you know, I don't even ride. I really stopped riding, bro, because the diabetes came in neuropathy in my feet. I can't feel my feet

at all. Like when we're sitting around, my feet are ice cold. Wow. Yeah, I feel nothing. So as I'm walking, at the airport when I just came back, I could see myself walking like, like staggering, like I'm kind of drunk, you know, so I have to hold the railing because you can't feel your feet. You have no center of gravity, no balance. If I'm in the shower, I'm washed my face like this with the soap. I'm going to, ooh, sometimes I get to grab the walls because, you know, your body's like, if you close, I close my eyes, I'll fall straight forward. I will. It's crazy, bro. Do you ever think about what would have happened if you? The NBA playoffs are here, and now you can trade every game on Kelsey. You can all

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On Cali, you're trading against other people in a live market, no house, no odds makers. And as the odds move, you can buy in or out any time throughout the post season. For a limited time, download the Calci app and use code hoops to get $10 when you trade $10. KLSHI, Calci, trade on anything. You continued wrestling, and do you wish you went down that path? Yes, I do. And that's a good question, bro. I'm glad you asked me.

Because nobody ever really asked this question like that. I wanted to be an Olympic wrestler so bad. I really did. And, you know, it's easy to say that. But I can honestly tell you that I know guys are Olympic champions. I know him very well. And I wrestled them. And one was a gold medalist in 1972, Munich.

and then he was a silver medalist at 190 pounds. Awesome. Ben Peterson, his name is. And he coaches at Maranatha Bible College, right? He wanted me to come there. I was like, whoa, that's a little serious for me, you know? But I wrestled him, and he beat me three to nothing. So, I mean, I was no slouch.

The guy's a silver and a gold medalist. And then when I went up there to University of Wisconsin, you know, for the Badgers. We were in practice, and my freshman year, I lost to Bob Fouts from Iowa State, who was second in the NCAA, beat me one to nothing. I was a freshman. So I'm just telling you, I was no slouch.

I was a pretty good wrestler. So after that, you know, I said I was a good wrestler. I never told you I was good, like, in school. my grades weren't the best right I think I had like 2.2 or something like that and you had to have a 2.5 to get the scholarship so I had to go to a junior college

I smoked everybody in that junior college I mean it was like it's like romper room shit you know what I mean I pin guys like in 16 seconds you know with head throws and stuff so when I got up to the university I got my great point out of got over there man I was wrestling I was on

to feed it. I was doing good, man. You know, I thought, hey, I'm going to win the Big Ten. Then I'm going to go for the NCAA. And after that, I'm going for Olympics. And I'm running, and these guys are horse playing behind me, and a guy kicks his legs out, and he's 300 pounds, and he falls on the back of my leg. Well, I'm running. Rips my leg,

and it right out of the bone by my knee, and I just collapsed. And I got up, and I, you know, I turned around, I said, man, what the buck like this, you know? I don't know. I tried to run from me to you and I fell down, you know, because the legament was torn out of the leg, and there was no control of the knee.

They ran out, he said, this is serious, man. Took me in the hospital that night. Man, next morning they were operating on me. Put a staple in my leg. 1977, it's still in there. So, with that being said, it was pretty much like Dan in my wrestling career right there. You know, I mean, I,

when I went home, I went into like these small little tournaments. It was kind of funny because at the time I was a greaser when I was going in these wrestling tournaments. And then I just had like a couple tattoos like on my arm, you know, and it would be a cool guy. You know, I had a couple here, one here, I think went up in my upper arm. And I go in there and I'd be whipping these guys his ass. And they're like, who is this guy? because I was out of the picture so long. But, you know, I wrestled the guy that just took state in high school, you know, that year.

Oh, man, I pinned him with a head throw like in 28 seconds. And then the next guy got his name was Kent, was your university of Wisconsin. He was second NCAA. I beat him two to one, two to one. Oh, three to two. Three to two, I beat him. Just barely beat him.

then third round I get this guy this is going to crack up I get this guy named Bobby Kupecki and give you a shell Bobby I haven't seen him

I haven't seen him since God knows when but his father was my principal when I went to high school and he used to come with his father to watch me wrestle

wow so it was like you know and I got to say this to you because you'll think this is funny I thought it was at the time he just won the national

Greco-Roman wrestling championship. So, you know, I mean, that's tough. That's wrestling I've never been tried to do. And I wrestled him, and I beat him eight to seven. And he shot in on me right toward the end, and he was taking me down. He was going to win a match, and the buzzer went off, and I won, eight to seven.

And I was so tired, I couldn't even put my, I couldn't even put my warm-wet pants on, I said it like this like he wore me down and he walks up to me he goes hey Chuck that was an awesome match actually thanks Bobby

he looks at me he goes you know you've always been my idol I looked at him and I says well you know what kid you don't beat your idol he goes why didn't beat you I said you're going to

you know what I mean you got an idol you don't want to beat him So I ended up winning that, you know, that tournament. And it was amazing because, I mean, it was all top-notch wrestlers in there, you know. And after that, I kind of dropped out of the picture. I didn't do it anymore. And I was doing my greaser thing for years. And then it kind of died out right around 1983, 84.

It was just like nobody's brother, nobody's little brother wanted to grow up to be a greaser. If we were greasers, you know, you're my younger brother. You would want to be one. You know, everybody's coming their hair back. Everybody's being cool. We're listening to Duop, the chicks. We always had the hottest chicks, the coolest cars. And fought, man, we weren't afraid to fight anybody, bro.

We fought everybody and anybody. We even fought each other to just stay tuned up, you know? So after the greaser thing started dying out, I've seen some of the greaser started buying motorcycles in the ride. And so I'm like, well, I'm going to get one, you know? I'll be honest, which I was like, like, 23. I didn't even road a bike. I was like, man, I don't even know how to ride one.

And I told Solace, I said, my first one, the ride was, I got on a bike and I let the clutch out, and the bike took off. I went up this grass hill and threw a white picket fence, you know, fell down, and I was like, oh, this shit. But. My first time riding a dirt bike, that's what happened. I wish it would have been a dirt bike.

I was on, like, a big one, a big V-twin, you know, and, man, it took off, bro, it scared shit out. I mean, and then, you know, when you get scared, like that I need to take off you. I'm like, which one's the break? You know, and you're trying to feel,

and next to you know, I'm flying up the hill, boom, right through the fence. And, uh, so that was my first lesson on the bike. But then after that,

you know, um, I didn't really get that good ride. And even in the centers and I was in there 10 years. Even then, you know, there was a couple times,

you know, like, ooh, there was cold calls. You know, you know, that I almost crashed. And I got hit by a car. And it, broke my kneecap.

Some old lady pulled out of a parking lot at a bar. I think she was half in a bag. You know what I mean? She brought side me. Actually, I broadside her. She pulled out in front of me and I teaboned her. Flew over the car, land down on the other side. I was looking at her through the window on the passenger side.

And she was looking out of the window like this. Like, where am I? Because my bike was there smashed, but I wasn't there. I flew over the car. And I beat on the window. I'm screaming, you know, and she was all scared. She told the cops that she got new bifocals that day,

and they hurt her eyes that you couldn't see. She took the heat. Right. So she took the heat. It took me five years to sue her. And she died. She died before I could sue her. So I found out she owned the bar.

So I had to sue her estate. You know what I mean? And the lawyer says, hey, you did good, man. It got you like $50,000. And I'm thinking, that's a good chunk of change. But I had to wait five years for it. And I had like three knee operations, water on the knee, the whole bullshit thing. So he goes, yeah, here's your check.

He gives me a check and I look at it. And I go, $24,000. I thought he said it was 58. Well, I had to pay all your medical bills and I got penny on a dollar on that. And right off the top, I took my one-third, you know? And I just looked at him and I said, one-third. You took your money first. Yeah, that's the way it works.

Then he paid the bills. Then I got what's left. So I said, how much did you get? He goes, does that really matter? I said, yeah, it matters to me. He said, I got $17,333. I'll never forget it, bro. As long as I live, I'll never forget that number.

And I looked at him, I says, you dirty son of a bitch, for that amount of money, you should have been on the back of the bike. And he goes, you really feel that way? And I go, yeah, I never used the guy again. I was pissed. 24,000 is a lot for that time period, too. Yeah, it was.

You know, I mean, it was. It was a lot of money. But, you know, 58 sound like a million bucks back then. Yeah. But yeah, he got 17,000. And he paid all medical bills because I told you five years of medical shit I was going through. But I still wasn't like the best rider would tune me up, riding was the hells angels.

I mean, it's ride or die, bro. It really is. You get in that fast pack? You know, the old saying, you know, ashes, ashes, dust, the dust. If it wasn't for us, the fast lane would rust. And, man, I got out there, and I had a full bagger at the time. I could not keep up with those guys. I mean, I had full throttle.

By the time I caught up, they were slowing down and, you know, hitting some turn. And they finally looked at me and they said, Hey, you want to come around us, man. You better get rid of that fucking bike and get an FXR, you know, because that's her favorite bike. Who are the sinners? And do they still exist now?

Yeah, they still exist, but they're, I don't know, they're just a bunch of loser dudes now. I mean, nobody ever talks to them. The only place they are is in Milwaukee. When I was there, we're in Milwaukee, La Port, Indiana, and Holland, Michigan. You know, every time we go there to Holland, it was funny. People say, oh, what are you doing here, man?

I were here to see the tulips. You know, they were famous for the tulip festival. So, but those weren't the tulips we were always looking for. But, yeah, I'd have to say my writing skills had to, they, your writing skills have to get better, bro. Or you're going to eat dust, man. You're going to bite the bullet. I've seen so many guys do it too, bro.

So many. you know, crash and burn. And it's sad, you know. I mean, it's really sad. And I finally, at one time, you know, after I started at the second Vegas charter, I had a guy in the back of the pack. Oh, he's like, laying way back, laying way back.

And his name was J.D. He went to New York and slipped on the ice. He was born and raised in California. He's not used to that ice. And, you know, you and I are. Yeah. And I had an old black ice on the ground. Watch out when you step on it.

Well, he stepped on it. So boom, hit his head. Dad killed him. He died from the ground. Yeah, he died. Wow. So, yeah, he should have just stayed on the West Coast. So he's way in the back.

And I said to him, JD, if you ever think I'm going to vote for you, you better fucking learn how to ride. You're way to hell in back of the pack. I like a tight pack. What the hell's wrong with you? And he was real honest with me. I guess the Miami, he goes, peewee. I'm scared.

I'm scared. I'm going to crash into you guys. If I'm not paying attention, you know, we're speeding like 100 miles an hour and we got to back off something. You know, we pull up on a car or some shit like that. So I don't know why I said this. Not like, you know, I was some philosopher or some shit. I just, I looked at him and I said, you know what you got to do, J.D.

You got to let your fear overcome your, your scaredness of dying. You got to ride like that and we go. Just let it go, man. I crash and burn. I crash and burn. That's how I ride. What's going to happen?

It's going to happen. A lot of times when I thought shit was going to, you know, like bad, where I was in a, we were in a bike wreck, and we hit a retrad tire on the road. And we, I try to spread out like this. Because it was laying right in the road standing up. the whole tire. And there was brand new shoulder

on the left side where I was, all gravel. And you know what happens when you hit gravel. So I was not about to hit the gravel and go tumbling down the road. And all I had on was my patch in the tank top.

So, you know, it would have been full road rash for me. And I was right next to a brother from Massachusetts. His name was Don Con. And Daniels, look out. And he went this way. And I kind of went like that.

And his kid was like, his kid was about three, three people behind him. And right behind me was a brother named Kevin from Low Massachusetts. And he's the only one in a pack in that had his old lady on the bike. And I always tell guys, oh, man, 30 years I've been riding. And I've seen four old ladies get killed. So in my head, it's bad juju, right? I never take my wife on a road trip. Never.

You want to meet me there? Fly there and I'll come pick you up. Because the road's where you get killed. The road is the road, man. You know, it was a rough road to live, you know? And he was right behind me with his girl on the bike. I hit that fucking tire, flew over it. Does it what they told me, you know?

Because when I hit it, it felt like I hit a brick. I flew over and I tore my foot pegs off my bike. And then I went into the stones. The stones were so deep that my bike just went like a truck ramp. I got off the bike. It was standing up by itself. I didn't even have to put the kickstand down. That's how deep I went in the stones.

So then I turned the bike off. I'm looking around. I didn't know if the foot pegs are knocked off. But what happened was when it's sheared the foot pegs off. My feet hit the ground. At 60 miles an hour, my bike went into a high-speed wobble because my feet hit the ground. And that's when I went into the stones. But just as I was doing it, you know, I looked at my mirror.

I seen Kevin hit that thing go, bum, tumbling. And, you know, he had his old lady on her. I told you that. Wow. So when I ran back over her, he was getting up from the ground. And his helmet was just like, just totally like smashed and all ground up. And his arm was all raw on shit. And he was, whoa, he was like, whoa, half out of it.

And I said, I ran up to him. I said, are you all right? And he goes, yeah, yeah, he goes, where's Georgia? It was her name, you know? He goes, where's Georgia? And I said, I'm going to go see. I ran over it. This is the weirdest part.

The only way I could show it to you. Like, this is the bike, right? She's sitting on a bike like this. The bike's laying on the ground. Her leg was bent like that. Her other leg was under the bike, so I couldn't see it like that. Her arms were laying straight out like this, and her eyes were open.

She's looking straight up, straight up at the leg. this guy, and the whole top of her head was gone. Oh, yeah, her brain was running out of her head on the ground. Now, we're in Vegas, right? So it's like 114 out. It was like, I could see a percolating, no bubbling on the ground, cooking like an egg. I'll never forget it, bro, and that's one of my sleepy things, okay? Is that because she, that, the page top of the head?

She had a bullshit helmet on, you know, one of those, what do you call it? novelty helmets. Yeah. And he was wearing a real one. Did you always wear a house? The NBA playoffs are here, and now you can trade every game on Kalshi. You can also trade on who wins each series, the conference finals, and the championship. San Antonio is currently trading at 22% to win it all, meaning a $100 trade pays out 455 if they take the title.

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Had no helmet on, bro. I hit the ground, and I slid for 40 feet. And I just was like, like ice skating. And I slid and I just stopped, you know. I punctured my lung. I could barely breathe, but I never hit my head. Not that I was at good and stuff. It was just pure luck.

That's what I say. That I kept my head up. I kept my head off the pavement. Thank God I didn't hit my head when I hit the ground. But when I hit the ground at 40, you know, everything, everything on the left side of my body broke. Boom! I hit that cement.

Yeah, that cement doesn't give away at all. Wow. Was it normal to go from one motorcycle club to the Hells Angels? It is. You know why? Because I think if you got most of those guys in a room, hey, where are you from Ian?

What were you? Well, you were in this club? Like, it's like you start off in these little clubs, right? And you want to move to the big leagues, you know? So you're in the minor leads. You want to move into major leagues. Oh, what did you pick the Hells Angel for? Oh, I'm going to go to the top of the food chain, you know?

and most of the guys in that club, the very few that you would find say, no, I was a never-no other club. I just came right into this club. They want to progress and move on to the bigger one. Like my guys and the sinners, when I saw the hell's angels, I told social, I said,

hey man, that's what I want to be. And I walked right up to one of them, stood next to him, he looked, and guess who it was? Ralph. He was the first Hells Angel. I mean, I really talked to, met. He's standing by the fence. He smoking a cigarette, you know. And like I said, he big, broad-shouldered guy. You know, he could fight like a son of a bitch, too, man. And I walked up to him. I looked at me. He looked at me. And I said, hey, all you doing? He goes, good. I said, hey, man, I'm pee. Sinners, Wisconsin. And he goes, Ralph, Hells Angels, Minneapolis. Shook hands. Since we got the done showing your hands from standing there. I'm wearing my sinner patch. I look at him, I go,

so what do I got to do to be you, Ralph? And he goes, where do you live? I said, Wisconsin, Milwaukee. He goes, move to where we are. That's all he said. He walked away. And that's all it took. You just had to move there.

Well, yeah. Well, I had to hang around. They made me hang around for three years to get to know me. And is that the prospecting phase? No. Then after the three years of hanging around, usually like in Canada, they're very strict.

they make you hang around with them. Not official hang around either. Hang around just you, me as friends, hang around for five years. Then they get to know you after five years. Then you become a hangaround. Then you become a prospect. Then you become a member.

Fuck, by the time you're done, bro, you already got 10 years in, you know? And you're just finally coming to get your patch. When you joined, did you ever think you were going to get a leadership position? Not to be here again. or anything like that? Yeah, I did because when I joined the centers, I was only there one year,

and after one year, the guys all voted me as president. And then I was the president for Milwaukee centers the whole time. And then they took a vote for the three charters to make me their national president. Wow. So I knew I had that leadership quality in me, and when I played football like in high school, and I played semi-pro football too for racing glad eight years.

I was always a team captain. I was a team captain in wrestling. Then I was in a car club. They all voted me president in a car club. So what all had being said, you know, I knew I had that leadership quality about me. I knew I did. And it wasn't what I was really looking for.

Like, I get in there, I want to be president, you know. It just came about where they just said, hey, man, we want you to run the show. And every year, every year, you know, somebody just sitting at the table, I could just say, hey, you know what, man, Pee-wee, I don't, you know, no offense. I don't think you're, you know, up to part doing the job the way you should do it, you know. I want to bring Ian up, you know, for president.

And somebody can go, I'm going to second it. Next year you know, let's bring it through votes. Majority vote, you're president, I'm out. That's how fast it goes. So is it a lot of it just politics and networking, building relationships? Yes, yes. And it's like, like I said in the. book, man. It's become so

the club, you know, in my heart, I just wish they would get back to being the old, like the old pictures of the old Hell's Angels that they were, man, that people grew up idolizing and, man, I want to be a Hells Angel. It's so

corporate now that, I mean, honestly, bro, I mean, you got a meeting every week for your charter, then you got a once a month meeting, O.M. That you go, Oakland or Purdue, you know, on the west coast, East Coast, they switch around all the time, different places. Then every, I think, two or three months, they got a corporate meeting.

Then every year they got a world meeting. You got to go to a little world meeting. All these meetings, meetings, meetings. I wrote in a book, I said, man, get back to the roots, man. get back to just drinking beer, riding motorcycles, fucking broads. You know what I mean? Just doing the shit that you like doing back being bikers free. Where do you think it all changed and went wrong down that path?

I could see it changed them from 1994 to, you know, like 2005, whatever the hell. I could see the difference. One of the big things I've always seen was we came around the club like in 94. Or you were in prison, on the prison, you and I would always get, like, postcards from everywhere they go. You know, I'd see him in prison, hey, Ian, I got one, too, bro. We'd have, like, a collection of postcards. Hundreds of them for everywhere they go.

And everybody signs it, hey, brother, I love you, bro, and everything, you know. Everybody's name on her, you can read all the names, all the guys that signed that you know personally, you know. And I seen that go away. I didn't see like prospects coming up to us anymore saying hey you need you to sign this you know we signed this so it stopped and then I think they like some some charters probably still do they take care of the guys and stuff but man I just I've seen too many changes you know and I was just like I loved it so much but then it was like hurting me to see it like like diminishing you know it was they They were like, best word for it is like I put it in the book. They were like sharks. They smelled blood in the water and they started eating their own, you know? Like, you know, where they, I see them like when they jump Philly, the Philly guys, you know,

and I was sitting right there. They told me, hey, stand up, take your patches off. You're done. Just like that. And the guys all stood up, you know, and Riepo's one of the guys standing back. He says, fuck you, come and get them. And there was only five of them, man. And then the guys walked by, and as they walked by me, they said, come on, Peewee.

You're always up for a good fight. Like you told you. I said, no. Not when it's fighting brothers. Because in my heart, like I said, I grew up with three sisters. I didn't have a blood brother. And for a guy, like if you got blood brothers, you know what it is? Like growing up with a brother, you know what I mean?

Hey, it's your brother, you know? You guys get in scuffles and fights, but you love each other, your brothers. I think that's what I was looking for. So in one way, it was cool because they wouldn't let nobody disrespect you, which you shouldn't. So as a prospect, I could fight you as a full member, even if you were the president, I could fight you. I thought that was cool. But fight you for a legit reason, bro. Not just, you know, to see who's got the bigger balls in the pen, you know.

So I've seen that all going away. Like when they went over there and they jumped those guys. And then when those guys were fighting back, then the whole room got up and attacked them. And I was sitting next to a new guy and I just looked at him and I says, hey, you see what's going on here, man? And he goes, what the fuck? You can only imagine if you were brand new.

I mean, what would you be thinking? I mean, you're seeing them attack another charter. And I mean, they were breaking their arms. They both the one guy's neck. And I looked over and they said, Hey, what's going on? I said, fuck it, we're out of here, man. And the guy with me was a tattoo artist,

and I said, hey, he's a tattoo guy, make him stick around. We're going to have black these guys tattoos out. I said, nah, no fucking way. I left. And it was bad, you know, it was just, it was bad. Then I saw it again in Lake of the Ozarks. You know, where they walked by me, and I'm sitting there with an old member from Oakland, you know,

and I had a big respect for him, I still do. His name was Fuzzy, you know, and he used to be a New York member, and I was in Oakland, and like I said, big respect for the guy. I love him, and him and I were just sitting here shooting this shit, and as they walked by, they go, hey, Pee-wee, come on, man, we're going to go jack up to Michigan guys. I mean, telling you this, you've got to be sitting here right now in your head going, what the fuck?

Well, it doesn't make sense going against your own people like that. Exactly, bro. So you can see this. I mean, who can't see this? So I look at it and I go, what? And they go, come on. And I see a bunch of them all walking over and there's only four guys from Michigan there and they're mad because they weren't taking care of business. They're the only nomad charter in the whole state of Michigan. That was all outlaws. What did you want them to do? Run around and just start popping caps in people and is it smarter to do it smart? smart way, or is it the way to do it stupid, get caught, and go to prison, and then, hey, maybe you'll get a postcard. You know what I mean?

Maybe you won't. I remember this member that committed two murders. He was doing two life sentences. Polak John, I went to see him as a prospect, and he told me, Peewee, whatever you do in that club, do it smart. Don't be stupid like me. In a split of a second, I didn't use my head. I pulled the trigger on those guys.

Now I'm sitting here rotting in this hole. I just did 25 years. Now I'm on my second life sentence. He said, these guys send me postcards. I got books and books of postcards. He goes, all I am is a burden to the club. I took that all in, bro. I was just watching him, you know, his face expressions.

And he was just like, I'm not doing good for anybody. He says, you know, I should have used my head more. He goes, do it smart, okay? Be smart. So 20 years from now, you can sit there with a partner in years and go, hey, remember the thing we did? Hey, that was cool, man. You know what I mean?

You can laugh about it. And when he said that, it meant a lot to me, you know? Obviously, it didn't work for me at the wedding chapel because I was on film, you know, beating the shit out of the guy. So. How long did it take for you to become president? Oh, shit, man. I got, when I got in, I got in 2001 in San Francisco because it didn't work out for me, Minnesota.

Oh yeah, we're bumping heads. Me and Pat matter, which it was bad because I like Pat. You know what I mean? I don't know why he had a hair up his ass for me. It was, maybe he was because I was, you know, 10 feet tall and he was three feet tall, you know. I don't know what it was. And then that bullshit, he said on A&E, you know, I was like, this guy is killing me.

But I became a member like in 2001 in San Francisco. How's there in Bro? I'm telling you, man, Frisco is hard. One of my brothers, I love dearly, Tony, he's out of the club. He told me, hey, man, I hope you make it here. I'm riding a car. I look at him, like, what do you mean? And he was usually people who ain't from here.

they don't make it here. They usually leave or they run down the road or they quit. I said, why? And he goes, they just can't make it here. And Ian, I couldn't understand what he meant by that. And I'll tell you what it is. The cost of living out there is crazy, right? So I'm living in a little tiny one-room apartment in the back of the clubhouse,

$800 a month. And then when I got there, they said, hell, you're a teamster. Oh, it gets your job. We know the team sirs real good. Okay, I go down there. A guy goes, there ain't no jobs. There ain't no driving jobs.

And I go, wow. So I kind of was like, now what do I do? And one of the guys in the club hooks me up with this guy named Tony, this other guy, Tony, that owns these nightclubs, you know. And he's got one, he's got one down. town called the Dog Pound, where these rock bands played at. Then he had his other one, the Cats Club. And that was kind of a weird old one, you know,

Bonagall Go-Go on Wednesdays, you know, guys on spinning wheels shackled to him, chicks tasing their ball sacks. Yeah, I'm telling you the truth, bro. We were in there. The whole club would go in there, and the guy's on a spinning wheel, and he's spinning around.

Every time he'd come upside down, she was like, she was nuts, you know, and I'm like, whoa. But yeah, shit like that. Or, you know, tiny girls up there, boob,

guy socking her in his stomach. Weird shit, man. Guy walking around with a priest outfit. This guy got beat up by one of the guys in the club. He had a priest outfit on, you know, the little white collar thing

and it's hanging down and stuff like that. He's walking around, he's got a strap on on. I'm just trying to tell you, San Francisco, bro, So your mind's got to open up on that, right? You know what's bad when I took my wife for a ride on the bike down the street. Two homosexuals were walking down the street holding hands,

and my wife says to me, how come you never hold my hand like that? So that's just to show you how intense that place is, right? So this guy's walking around with the strap on, and one of the other members says, me, hey, man, are you Catholic? I look at my goal, yeah. And he goes, yeah, I went to Catholic school.

I was an altar boy. I said, so was I. And he goes, I find an offense of that dude wearing that dildo, man. I'm going to fuck him up. And I said, hey, it's weirdo night, man. It's Wednesday. You come in here, you know it's weirdo night. So you're going to go over to fuck with this guy?

He's not really a priest. I don't care. He went over and he punched the guy. And then, you know, Tony's like, oh, hey, man, you guys. can't come in there and do that. But it was cool. We would go in there. He would put us in the VIP section.

We were there one night with no doubt. The band, they were sent up there with us. Not Gwen. She wasn't there. The boy, the guys were there. And I had fun prospecting there. I really did, you know. Rudy was one of my favorite guys, man.

And he just got out of prison. And he was like, hey, Holmes, man. He keeps going over the goddamn, man. He's got to piss. right? And they had one of those pissed troughs, you know, like where it's big stainless steel troughs and not urnals and everybody's pissing it. And it was like, it was full. The pisser was full. The shitter. There's only one shitter and there was a guy standing there pissing. So, and then there was a line against the wall. And it was a long line, man.

And he was like, man, I'm about to piss myself. And I said, well, I was a prospect. I would stand like right by the gates and nobody could go in. VIP. I go, bro, you get a piss? And he goes, yeah, why don't you say so? I just walk in the bathroom. The guy's standing or against his hand. He's pissing. I grab his belt. I grab him by the back of the neck. I pull him right away from the urinal. I mean, shit's spraying all over the place. I run him, throw him right out the door. And I walk over, hey, I told the guy, don't go in there. Go ahead, Rudy. Rudy goes, you kill me, Holmes. But that's just the way I was, man. You know? Rudy went and took him piss. He was all happy.

But I had fun in Friscoe, but I just couldn't make it there, bro. And then the words of Tony came to me, you know, I hope you make it here. I was struggling, man. So I worked four hours a night, $25 an hour, $100 a night. But I only work like four days, four nights, I should say, I'm sorry, four nights a week, 400 bucks? Come on, bro. I just told you I was paying $800 for, uh, four days. for the room in the back of the clubhouse. So that's half the month's money.

And then I got to live off the other $800, pay the dues every week, put gas on my bike, put gas in my van, buy food, eat. All that shit, man. Bro, it was hard. I was struggling, man. And I was like, man, I just,

I don't think I can make it here, man. I just, unless something changes drastically, I said, either I'm going to have to quit. And I didn't want to because, you know, I love being a hell's angel. I said, you don't have to quit or I'm going to have to move someplace where I can work. And they said, where do you want to move to? And this is what I said. I said, I'm thinking Las Vegas, because this club should be in Las Vegas. It's a big city.

It's fun capital of the world here. right? I mean, I should say the United States, it's a dull playland, you know? I think we should be there. Well, if you want to do that, just let us know. So when I said, yeah, they gave me permission, they said, yeah, go, and you got to get, like,

a letter to go. But I had to, you have to have six guys to have a charter. One guy, to start a new charter, you've got to have one five-year member. So I got him from Diego, San Diego. And I had to recruit, bro. I had like, hey, Ian, you want to, you

You want to come here? You want to come to Vegas, man, being the charter? So I had to do my homework, bro. And I got all these guys together, and we started Las Vegas. And you automatically become president when you start a charter? Well, we sat down and I said, okay, who wants to be president? Everybody just sat there. They go, why don't you be president?

I said, well, I'm asking you. You want me to be president? And I said, yeah. And I said, okay. And I was the whole time. So what does it mean to have a charter in a new state like that? Does that mean you're just riding around? Like what is like a day to day?

Yeah, we're doing a lot of riding around trying to get seen, known, that we're there. Oh, believe me, the cops knew we were there. And, you know, they told me when they pulled me over, hey, we hate you. We don't want you here. And they remind me in the old movie, Hells Angels 69, when they ran them out. Remember? And they told him, get out of here. They told him, the old son ain't the guys.

Take them to the state line. The cops followed him right to the state line. I'm out of Las Vegas. They told me either they were going to kill me or put me in prison. I'm glad they did the one, and not the other one.

So, they were, you know what, they were pretty hard on us all the time. I had two assholes. Pearson and McDermick, two cops. And it was funny on an A&E special, they had the one on there. Oh, they got them on there?

Yeah, they got them on there. I think it was, yeah. I think it was Pearson. You got to watch it. It's episode four. And you'll laugh because he's on there. And I don't know why the A&E guy says, yeah, I would, you know, he's British, you know. He's from London.

And he says, I would talk to Pui. He says, you're an asshole. You know, you can't hear him say it. And he goes, yeah, he would say that. Well, at least he's thinking about me. That's what he said, right? But they were busting my balls, bro.

I mean, man, non-stop pulling me over, jacking me up. And I had a party, a birthday party. And for my 50th birthday, and it was way out in Armagoza, which is 100 miles outside of Las Vegas. And I rented the whole casino out there. 50 rooms. I rented everyone, all the ballrooms, everything. The only thing I couldn't rent, bro, was the casino itself.

That's public. You know what I mean? But that was downstairs. I just came out of a room. I was in there with Cisco from Oakland. I just came out of a room. I opened a door and I walk out. It was funny because we were just in there smoking some weed, you know?

And I come walking out and I looked and here's like four cops in the green jumpsuits, you know, task force, you know, gang task force. Pearson and Medermic. So I'm trying to think, why are you out here, man? I'm 100 miles. I'm not even in Clark County. I'm in Nye County. You know, I'm like almost to the California border.

And I walked out, first thing I said, what are you assholes doing here? They go, hey, don't talk to us like that. I'm like, fuck you. Get the fuck out of here. And he says, no, we're not leaving. I said, oh, the hell you ain't. I told one of the guys, I said, go down and get Bob.

Bob was the guy that ran the place. He comes up, I says, Bob, told these guys that I rented all this. I want him out of here. I'm afraid so. He said, he did. Excuse me. He says, he did.

He rented all of this. This is all his. You guys got to go downstairs. And, and Medernick says to him, well, I'll listen to you, but I'm not taking order from some convicted felon. Right? And I said,

suck balls. And he looks over at me and he goes, well, have a nice birthday party, Peewee. I said, well, I will. If you get the fuck out of here. And then one of the other guys says, well, aren't we allowed to be here?

There's a public casino. And he goes downstairs it is. Up here, it's all private. You don't have a room up here. You have to leave. Oh, they didn't like it, bro. They didn't like it at all. So as you're leaving, they got right to the stairs,

and they turned around and they go, good night, I said, suck a dick. And they left there. Everybody laughed. They said, man, it was funny. Well, you tell them, I told them always light that off.

And then what I did was, I had all these people. When I went to the cop station, they had my patch. They took my patch when he arrested me one time. Bro, I don't even know how. they did it. As big as I was, they took, I always wore

denim, so I didn't have the leather one, right? So I had denim. They folded, that son of a bitch, I swear to God, about this big, it was like this big, about that big around. My big vest, they folded and they rolled it. Man, when I opened it up, bro, it looked like accordion. I burned it.

I had to burn the thing, man, because I couldn't wear it anymore, you know. I mean, they wrecked it. But when I went to pick it up, from the police station I'm standing and I look over and I sell this paperwork

you can grab like you know for drug addicts and rebab and blah blah I like down and I see this complaint

you know police complaint you know about bad cops if I grab the whole pack plowled there I'd be 50 of them and I went and I told all these guys

get the wives and daughters and everything over and I said Everybody writing a different handwriting. I would stop by because they were partners in the car by Pearson and Medermic. And they tried to sexually assault me

and oh my God, bro. I had people write all kinds of shit about them. Yeah, they were trying to extort me and just bad stuff. Even if it was true or not true, it didn't matter. Because you know why? It goes in their file.

So they want to make Sargent or they want to make something like that. It haunts. Awesome, bro. It's in their file. And I'm going to tell you this, we tent them in. And when I put them in the box, they never ever bother me again. I never saw them again. Never until a...

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Yeah, maybe we were doing their little investigation. But he came out and he had a suit on. I don't even know if he's a cop yet. You know, I mean, he was all clean cut and stuff. But bro, just the shit I went through with those guys, you know. How many members did you grow the chapter too? The first one I had, like, the Las Vegas charter was like about eight of us. Stayed right around eight.

And then I broke off from that one. I broke off and I said, I'm going to start one on the west end of town. You know, me, I already was planning east, west, north, south. You know, I was going to monopolize that city. So I broke off, started another one. I couldn't call Las Vegas because Las Vegas was already over here. So I started Sin City And that's what I was at, right?

So our logo was Sin City's baddest. And that was our side rocker. And I started sin City And we started getting guys and, you know, just my report going out, you know, meeting guys Hey man, how would be you? You know, they started hanging around. We had so many hangarounds.

And I got it up to like 12 members and we had like four prospects. So yeah, we're doing pretty good. And what was your job as president? It's weird. You know, when you're a president of a charter, you basically, you basically just run the meeting and shit because if you were the president, you couldn't like say, hey, listen, I'm going to have a new roof put on the house

because this roof is leaking and stuff. You had to go, hey, we need a new roof on the house, man, so let's take a boat, you know. How many guys, you know, we got to do this. It's going to cost us, you know, we got to put this much money in. and we all got to raise our hands about because they're all I telling you, hey, we're Hells Angels. We don't go by like a national president

or, you know, a national, vice national, they don't have any of that. It's just president's individual of each charter, which now it's coming back to haunt them because now they're arresting guys and if two or three in the same charter are doing that crime, now they're hitting them with the RICO. So I'm just giving an example.

Like if they say, okay, Kansas City, Missouri, that charter, which there ain't no charter there, but if that was a charter, they'd say, these guys are under the RICO because we call them all solemn meth or doing whatever, you know, stealing bikes, something like that. That's what's biting them an ass now. Do I believe, like the band needles and outlaws and everybody, they have a national president. Yeah, I believe they should do that.

Because they tell you one man, one vote, that's their big logo, their big theory. That's bullshit. That's all bullshit. When they ran me down the road in Minnesota, the guys all told me, we never voted on you. Like, what do you mean? Patrick said he wanted you shout. We said, out, like for good? He goes, out.

I want him out. So nobody voted. Patrick just called me in the room and said, hey, you're just not caught in that. So I run you down the road out and good and come back in a year. What year was this when they did that? 94. That was 94. And you did get to come back then.

Yeah. And when I came back, I said, I'm going to Frisco. But it took me four years to come back because every time I came back to was a guy there that didn't like me, right? His name was Hans. We call him Schwantz. And he didn't like me for some reason. And he said, oh, I'm never going to vote for him. So then Pat says, you know, you're not going to get in.

this guy's never going to vote for you. So it kept playing that game. And then when he left, he got in a bike crash. And he, you know, his head wasn't all there. So they kind of pushed him out. And then he told me, hey, yeah, you come back. I wasn't going to let him fuck me the second time, bro. I had that gut feeling, you know.

And you always go with your gut. And I said, I got to get out of here, man. So I went to Frisco. I made her first go. which was cool because, you know, Friscoll is the second charter of Hell's Angels at the Bordeaux that, you know, it's history. They're like, you know, they're well known for that. And it was cool being in Friscoe Charter, it really was. It was an honor.

But it was just too hard for me to make it out there. That's the only reason I left. Believe me, I didn't want to leave because I didn't like none of the guys. And it had nothing with that. I was like good with all them guys. I loved them all, you know. it's funny you know that none of them will talk to me you know because I'm out of bad and stuff so it doesn't matter because I still you know I still took I still talk to like JP and stuff he just

got out and he's out bad and so but I love that dude death and uh me and him prospected together and we did some halacious funny shit man I mean really bro you know going down picking up the Mexicans down by uh uh Cesar Cerva. Yeah, with Caesar-Savis Road or something, we'd go down there. It'd be like a Home Depot, and they all be standing and waiting for work. And we were prospects, and we were supposed to do this, do that. We'd go get those guys to do it. And JP had money, so he would always pay them the money,

and we wouldn't have to do it. But we'd never tell anybody. But when we'd go down there, you know what me, man, bro, you would have cracked up, you wouldn't have been pissing in your pants because I'd get out and I'd say, hey, we need four guys. Four guys. And, you know, 20 come running to the van. Hey, hey, hey, they're only funny.

I said, hey, whoever can get in the van, I'll take. They start getting down, bro. They're, like, punching each other, and they're fighting. Oh, my God, we're laughing. We're crying. It was so funny. And one guy would get in, his nose is bleeding, you know, and they get in. I'm in, I'm in, you know.

And I go, hold that. All right, I got four. The rest of you go. Go back. Get back. And I shut the door. Someone being there beat up, you know. and but they got in the van and then we get over and we say hey we want you guys that carry that

wood upstairs three stories of stairs three stories of stairs three stories of stairs bro i'm talking eye beams you know what i mean the big thick ones the heavy ones like this yeah like like this thick yep this tall yeah three of them for headers they were going to remodel the upstairs and all this wood, all these two-by-fours, bro, a whole semi-load of shit was dropped out there. And they told us, you three prospects, get your ass over and get that shit upstairs. I got the Mexican guys that do it, you know? And we're up there, we're watching them. And, man, they're walking up the stairs, three of them carrying one of those planks I'm telling you about.

And they're going upstairs, and me and JP are just, we're crying, bro. We are crying. because you're, oh, and you know, they're talking Spanish, me, do, my, yeah. You know, and they're, like, falling down on the stairs because it's so heavy. And Dennis, who was with us, through the other prospect, he's funny because he says,

this ain't right, man, this ain't right, we should be out there carrying that wood. I said, go ahead, man, go ahead. We ain't doing it. I ain't breaking my back. And the stairs, the stairs were old, bro. They were really old. And when they were coming up,

I could see the stairs shaking. I was thinking, fuck, man, no stairs break. They guys are dead, you know? They got all the wood up there. And then we gave them waters and stuff like that. And, man, we paid them good. We paid them pretty good.

I think we gave them like 60, 70 bucks a piece. They're only there a couple hours. And then we're taking them back. And it was funny, you know, I'm driving a van. I look in the back and I see the one talking. Now they're like, like his back is gone. Oh, man. Every time I see, if I talk to JP,

brings that up and we laugh we laugh over and over about that now as president do you still need to work a regular job to make money or their revenue sources yeah I worked I was a teamster you know what I mean I worked in movie industry yeah I saw all the pictures so I think that's like a big misconception about like motorcycle clubs you know like that you're not working or that like it's just like this big criminal enterprise and you're making money well that's what they thought it was me like when I first got to Vegas I I had to sit down with, you know, the guys with the fedoras and all that. I had to sit down with them and the first words of me were,

what are your intentions here? And I said, well, what do you mean? We just want to survive. Well, I mean, what are you guys? You know, you guys going to be selling like dope guns and just, no, no, no, no. None of that shit, man. I said, I'll make sure everybody in my charter's work. And I said, we're just here.

to survive and exist. That's what's important to me. And they said, okay. Because you know, you can't do any of that shoe, a cowboy shit that you did in Laughlin. I said, well, you know, I said, sometimes shit happens, you know, but I said, no, we just want to exist.

And after a while, not that guy. That guy, naturally, his name was Vinnie, right? That guy, I really didn't care for him anyway, but, you know, he kind of lays out to me. And if you guys plan on coming in here, it's a strip club, plan coming in here, no more than three or four you guys at a time because you guys scare customers off. And I want to, I should say, listen, we don't even give a fuck about this place. You can have it, man. I ain't hanging out here.

I don't give a fuck about this place. So don't worry about seeing me. But I know some of the guys wanted to go in there, you know, but I didn't give a shit. I didn't go there. And then, you know, that was on the front page of the news, you know, Columbia family or whatever, you know, busted and the whole thing. But then I knew a lot of the other older guys that were like real laid back quiet. And I got a really good relationship with him, bro. Even to this day, I still talk to them.

They come up, hey, kiddo, they're like in their late 80s. You know, I'm going to be 68 and they call me kiddo. And they'll call me and they'll say, hey, how are you doing and stuff like that? I'm good, you know. When I went away to prison, they had a party for me or going away party. With live duo bands playing, I'm boston you on the stage. Food laid out. Who's at the Italian-American club?

Yeah. And it's where they shot the scene in Goodfellas. The guy goes, this is your pen? The guy goes, shove that pen up your ass. Remember that? Pesci. With the pen, that's the bar.

Really? Yeah, that's the bar. With the statues and everything outside, they had the big statues when showed him leaving. Yeah, that's the place. Why'd you end up going to prison? We got in a fight with the Mongols at a wedding chapel. My son was getting married.

And we were just about done, Ian, just about done, man. I mean, the wedding was over. They were married. All we had to do was take a couple of family photos when we were done. Now, the rest of the guys all rocked out the side door and they're all standing there. Here comes Mongols pulling. And they didn't pull in in motorcycles. They were in cars.

And when they pulled in, there was about 12 of them. And when they saw the angels standing there, they got out when they started walking over, They said, so I don't know what the angel said to him. I wasn't out there, so, you know, I don't want to fabricate anything. They said, but whatever they said to them, like five of the Mongols took off running. And I could hear this girl inside. I was inside the building.

I could hear this girl outside yell, go get the fucking guns. And I'm like, what the hell was that all about, right? So they take off running, five guys. So I just told you there was like 11 of them, right? So that one leaves like six guys left. And there was about 14 of us. And I'm inside and the prospect comes in and he says to me, at Peeley, we got problems.

I'm standing. And I had my glass in my head and I was all dressed up real nice. I never carried weapons on me, ever, bro. Knife, not even a knife. I was a fighter, man, you know. I did my damage with my hands. So I said, I guess I was flabbergasted. I just was like, what?

Said the Mongols are outside. I said, what do you mean are outside? I think what I thought he meant is like they'd rode by, rode by on the street or something. You know, who cares? He said, they're outside and they're in the lobby. Well, now, you know, I'm like, I already knew because of who I was,

not me personally, what I was. That's a better way of saying it. I was, that I had to take care of this because I was all about that. So, I went like this. I said, they're in the lobby. He goes, yeah, I took my sunglasses and I put them down on my face. I said,

well, he goes, what are we going to do? I said, well, there's only one thing we can do. And it's so stupid they are. I turn around and walk to the lobby and they all walk this way. They all walk to go out to the side door. And it's on, it's on the video. You can find the video.

It's so funny, I say, if you can find video, the weirdest one, that shows the most, it was on a TV show called, oh, my God, something in the courtroom, like, you know, like, where they always had the people talking on there, like, world's dumbest people, you know, like that kind of thing. Yeah. It was on that, like, world's dumbest court things or wherever it was. Like crime or something? Disorder in the courts.

Okay. That's what it's called. Disordinary courts, number 19. So, you know, you got, like, judges on there, cops, lawyers. Oh, you know, it's like red flag to the bull, you know, Hells Angels, Mongols, oh, man, you know. So that's a shit they're saying. And then when I walked out into the lobby,

the other guys you can see down the film, they turn around and they run behind me. catch up to him, but I was already held there by myself. I walked out there and he was standing there, you know, and he's looking around like this, and you could see he was nervous, right? He was looking around, he was their president. And he was, I'm not going to say,

it was like, he was probably his biggest George, you know. He's standing there and he's looking around, and looking around. And when he looked like this way, even out of his side vision, he saw me coming, right? I was walking toward him. I'm not going to sit here and bullshit you.

You already know I was going to fuck him up. You know what I mean? But I wanted to say something to him like, you know, like, what the fuck are you guys doing here, you know? I just wouldn't hear his bullshit or whatever. I was going to talk to my first. I really was. So I came around the corner when I saw him.

He did this, you know, he was standing there. It turns out. And now he caught me. And I was like right where his camera is, right? And he caught me. And he went like this, man, like right into the, pocket. Hey, bro, I'm no idiot. You know what I mean? Either I'm going to get shot. I'm going to get stabbed. So me, boom, boom, boom, boom. I lit him up. I hit him the first time. Boom. And he fell out. Boom.

I hit him what an uppercut. He hit the ground. And then I jumped on him. Bam. Bam. I only hit him seven times. I knocked a couple of his teeth out. He was laying there. And I mean, there was a huge puddle of blood around his head. And then I got up and when I was down on the ground, my own guys run over to start kicking this guy. I don't need no help. I don't need no help with nobody, bro. They run over to stomp on this guy. They were stomping on me.

Yeah. And I actually looked up and went, hey! And I had to back them off because they were stomping on my back. And then they all backed off. And then when I got up, they says, hey, bro, your head's cut open or something. My head wasn't going to cut open. My face is full of blood.

from his splattering into mine. There's nothing wrong with me, man. I was knuckle-busting this guy, you know? I went to walk out the door, and as I was walking out the door, I know what Johnny runs over this guy, he's out of the club, he's a piece of shit, you know, and he runs over and he stabs a guy in the back. And I could say that because it was on video.

And this son of a bitch calls me, like, when we're still in the club, did you snitch on me? Did I snitch on you? Bro, did you watch the films? When they put it on TV, they had a green arrow around his head with an arrow following him. He opens the knife.

You see him two guys, holds his knife, runs out the door. I don't have to tell on you, bro. You told on yourself. And now you're tied into this, though, because you were a part of it. Right. So I got charged with attempted murder,

a conspiracy to attempted murder. 13 counts they hit me with it was crazy man I oh and it pissed me off because seriously even if you're not a tough guy do you really got to run over to stab a fucking guy laying on the ground that ain't even moving to me that would be little me that would make me a coward I don't do shit like that that'd be like me running over and kicking a guy in a face while he's laying there he's done leave it alone he's done just like in a ring big big making bell one off He's out. Did you go to trial for that or you pled out?

Oh, yeah. You went to trial? I wanted to go to trial. I was the last one to hold out. And you know why? I had to take a plea? Because six Hells Angels, well, I shouldn't say six Hells Angels.

It was probably, there were six of them. One, two, three. Three weren't. And then ran in. Three Hells Angels and three citizens that were involved in the fight. They all took. a plea bargain, the felony battery coercion, promised two years probation on the street. They don't go to jail.

So they were happy. They jumped on it. We'll take it. What does that do, man? You and me committed a crime together. We both say, we're not guilty. Six months down the row, they come to me and they say, hey, still going to plea not guilty?

And I say, yeah, your buddy, Ian, he pled out. You fuck me then, man. you literally screwed me. You threw me under the bus because you pled out to a crime, you know what I mean, that we're saying we're not guilty of. So when they came to me,

they said, hey, you guys already pled out. And I said, wow, and I'm sitting in my lawyer's office and the DA was there, and I said, well, I said, well, then I guess I'll just take the same deal they did. Not for you.

No, I ain't flying for you. We're giving you, we want you to do a four to eight. I go four to eight on a fucking fist fight? Come on, man. I think they were trying to stick me for a Waflin because we basically beat the Wafling case. They're like, we're not getting away with this one, you know?

So I said, no, no, man. I'm not doing a four to eight. I'll take this. I'll take this all the way, man. I'll take it all the way to trial. Okay. And they leave then naturally, you know, your attorney. which I forgot to tell you my first attorney.

I gave $20,000 to. He won $45,000. I gave him $20,000. I never heard from the guy. He robbed you. Well, that's a good word, bro. That's what he did. So he took the $20,000, and then I got a call,

and I get a call from his office. I go down there, and a paralegal girl that was working with him, she comes up, hi, P.E, and I said, hey, what's going on? I got some bad news, and I said, what's that? goes, Donahue doesn't work for the firm anymore. And I go, what? And she goes, yeah, he's not with the firm on. He's been disbarred.

He's not a lawyer anymore. I go, why? She goes, I can't tell you why. I go, hey, listen. I gave that punk 20 grand, man, to represent me. You're going to tell me right now why. I'm not leaving here without you tell me why. She goes, oh, I'm going to get in trouble for this, but he was caught stealing money.

And I go, oh, man, so I guess my 20 granny stole. She goes, yeah. That's now what am I going to do? Two months to trial. Two months to go to trial. She looks at me, she goes, listen to me. I know I'm just a paralegal, but I've been working on your case really hard, and I think I can do your case.

I looked at her, and I said, are you kidding me? And she goes, no, I really think I can do this. If you give me a chance, I said, listen, honey, you're pro-legal. Have you ever done a case ever? I did a domestic violence once. I said, how did you want that? She goes, I lost it, but that was in the early stages. I've learned a lot since then.

And I says, well, I'm William Wallace, you know. And they went my head on a chopping block. I can't let you go in there thinking you're going to win. and next thing I'm doing a life sentence. I said, I can't do it. She goes, please, please let me do it. And then when she did that, she was getting on my nerves, you know? And I just looked down and I said, no, no, I'm out of here, man.

I says, I don't know what the hell I'm going to do. And she goes, give me a chance. Just give me a fighting chance. I said, listen, honey, there's no way I'm going to let you defend me. I wouldn't even fuck you. You know, that's why I have to say something, man. put her in shock, you know? And she was like,

so I walked out of there. And then the other lawyer I found was Tom Erickson. And when I got Tom, he's real straight. Like, I mean, he won't swear or anything, you know? You know what's bad at you when you're sitting there and he looks at me? He goes, can I ask you something to me? And what's that?

He goes, what did it feel like to punch another guy in the face? I've never ever been in a fight? I said, it feels really good. It feels really good. I can't believe you just asked me that. You know, that kind of freaked me out, you know, because I want this guy, but he was a good lawyer. And I got the state to agree to pay him as my lawyer because of what happened to me.

So I think they paid him $120 an hour for every time he put in his hours that he was working. They paid him. So I was grateful for that. And I didn't have to pay any more than God. but, you know, after I told you that meeting with the DA in there, when they left, he says, man, you've got 13 counts, every one of them 15 of life. So even if they find you guilty of one or two,

you can do them 20 years. I'm like, this is bullshit, man. Fucking dude pulls a knife out. I knock them out. I didn't stab anybody. I didn't fuck it. I said, I knocked them out with my hands and self-defense.

He had a knife. I said, how to fuck am I going to jail? I mean, can you understand? I mean, it doesn't make sense, does it? That's because of your title. Right, and that's what he said. He said, it's because who you are and what you are.

I said, but that ain't right, man. That ain't right. I just rubbed me the wrong way, man. And he goes, do you really want to take that chance for one juror? To find you guilty? There's 12 people out there. You're big guy.

You're scary looking. Like, what do you mean? You know? At the time, all I had was a goatee like on here, you know? That's what I mean? He says, you don't, you just don't want one juror to find you guilty. And I'm going to tell you that, that did, you know,

and start working in my mind, you know, saying, yeah, fuck. I said, well, I'm not doing no four to eight. First time I'm going to prison. I've been in jails. left the ride, he did 30 days in jail like twice in Sturgis, you know? That's where I was during a Wofflin shooting. So I just, I looked at him, I said, well,

he was wondering if I can get it knocked down. And this is what I said, because my son was in the club. I said, if you knock it down, you get it knocked down to a reasonable thing, I said, you're not going to send my boy to jail, are you? And he goes, I think they want to send him to. because he said the Mongol that he hit was an undercover cop.

And I go, hey, listen, that's part of being undercover. You know what I mean? You can't hold that against him. And I'm telling you, when I was walking out, he walked out ahead of me. When he opened the door, the dude in the Mongol vest says to him, where the fuck you think you're going, Brad, hit him in the mouth. He flew back, hit his head on a concrete,

and he had bleeding on the brain. So, you know, they wanted him to pay for him. for that. I said, don't give him any time. Give me the time. I'll do the time. You know, because, I mean, he never did time like that. And, you know, I mean, as a father, you know, there's things that, I say this in my book, you know, I says, there are things I regret as like, you know, thinking with my heart as a father, not my head as a president of Hell's Angels, I walk past Brad in the wedding chapel. And I said, he goes, what's going on, Dad? What are we doing?

I said, stay here, Brad. Don't get involved. That was wrong. I said, End book, that was wrong to me. Because if you were walking with me in and we're going outside to fight, why are you any different than he is to go out fight and maybe go to prison or get killed, but I want him to stay in her and be safe? You understand what I'm saying? It didn't make sense.

So I know that was my fuck up because I used my heart, not my head. But at least, you know, as a leader, I realize that. You know what I mean? And that was bad. But he did come out, and he was kicking, stomping on people's head. So, I mean, he was doing this thing, you know. And they gave him 15 months.

And then they came back to me like, well, I got to tell you, the thing that piss me off is how I was sitting. And he goes, don't say nothing. The lawyer, I'm going to call the DA. Don't let him know you here. He's going, hey, how you doing, hey, man. They're back. Hey, we had to get together, go lunch, man.

Yeah, we haven't played golf in a while, you know, the little time I'm sitting, thinking, you fucking bastards are all in cahoots. You know, they all are, bro. All of them, I don't, I don't give a shit about none of it. So. The lawyers get invited to the judge's Christmas parties. Yeah. The prosecutors say the defense attorneys.

I believe it. I've seen it in the federal system. Have you? Yeah, it's sick. My lawyer goes to the Christmas party with the AUSAs and the judges. because the courthouse hosts a Christmas party. Craziest thing. That's insane.

And you're telling me they're not talking about cases. Right. Like with you saying that, Donahue, the guy gave the $20,000 to, he worked for Wolf, Wolf, Attorney at Law, a firm, that's the firm he worked for. Right in the middle of this whole thing, when I gave him the money and I'm waiting for the trial, waiting from the contact me. I seen the newspaper. I forget the old guy's name.

Anyway, he shit-canned him. He screwed up or something. The old DA, he shit-canned him. Guess who became a new DA, Wolf? It's crazy. So all the guys are freaking out because they're thinking, Peewey's lawyer is working for the DA. And so I go to Donnyu, and I said to him,

hey, man, how's this going to work out? What do you mean? You work for the DA, man. That son of a bitch going my file and find shit and read it and use it against me. Oh, he can't do that. Well, on the contrary, bro, because here's what he did. Hey, listen, is there any way you could come up with some more money? I said, well, I could.

He goes, yeah, because wolves getting on my case, you know, he said, you only put 20 down. How far? Do you know that? You know what I mean? Yeah. I'm not stupid, bro. I sit to listening to you talk.

I'm absorbing everything you're saying. So I'm like, we only knew it because he went in my file. I looked how much money I put down. So Wolf could see my fucking file. I didn't like that. I felt better when I moved over to Tom Erickson's office, but my man, that was water over the dam already.

So I'm sitting there and, eh, we get together. we'll go golf in or something like that. Hey, he goes this thing with peewee, man. Come on, 48 years for a fist fight. And he goes, well, you know, I want to have a snap right there. He goes, well, you know, he sucker punched a guy in the face. Why? Because the guy went in his pocket and I threw that punch?

Fuck, yeah. So I'm thinking of myself, I didn't sucker punch anybody, bro. I've never sucker punched anybody in my life. I don't have to. I box. So I tell people I'm going to fight you. You ready? Hey, man, are you ready?

And most of the time people are like, hey, listen. I say, are you ready, man? And you keep talking. And then I punch you in the fucking face. And then, you know, you better be ready. It's on. So I just, I couldn't believe that, you know, Tom says to him, yeah, but, you know, he says,

he didn't do any stabbing or anything like that. And he says, yeah, he goes, listen. This is coming up way higher than me. Fulani, Judge, is trying to be reelected. Are sheriffs running to be sheriff again? All at this time, getting peewee is going to be major, and it's coming federal. And when I heard that, I was like, oh, son of a bitch, right?

And on a federal level, they want his head on a, on a plaza. That's exactly the way he said it on a platter. And he goes, I'll tell you what. I'll make it, this is the last deal I'll make. I can offer you a two to five. You can do it two to five. And that's the best I can do. So he says, okay, he hung up.

He looks at me and goes, what do you think of that? And I said, well, I don't mind doing a two to five, you know, but do I get off, do I, does my kid get off? off? I don't know. No, he didn't get off. But he only got 15 months, man, you know. He did 15 months exactly, and they let him go. And I saw him, you know, because I would see him on a yard. We were in different yards. And as he passed me on, hey, son, I love you. He just nod as like this. Like, he didn't even fucking know me, you know. He was so angry. But like I told you, we were setting everything up, I said, when you come into the hell's angels, the first question he used to say to you,

or not questioned, the first thing they tell you, hey, are you ready for this? You know, you may go to prison for the rest of your life. You may be killed or have to kill somebody. Can you deal with that? That's a hard thing they answer because you don't know the guys, hey, yeah, I'm going to do it, man, you know? Like I said, hey, when that time comes, I cross that bridge,

I'll handle it. I did handle it. And I don't whine cry. I'm not saying, why ain't crying you about the prison. and say, oh, I went to prison because of the club, you know, if it wasn't for the... I never ever said that. Yeah, it was for the club. But I knew someday that was going to happen.

How are you treated in there? Actually, I was treated really bad when I got in there, bro, because them guys already started that rumor that I was a snitch and a... Oh, and the worst part, the DA, the head DA, he didn't handle the case. He had this woman come out of retirement to take my case. I can't remember her name. She's some fat cow pig. And when I got in front of the judge,

and I was standing there and he says, I already knew it was a closed shut case. Because when I was standing there and he said, do you have anything to say? And I said, yeah, yes, Your Honor. And when I was standing there, just before he had he had his folder and he opens up. He goes, what is this?

I can hear him say it, and the bailiff goes, that's all the letters that people wrote. He goes, I don't know he see that. I don't see that. So right there, bro, kind of told me like, fuck me. Didn't give a shit, who wrote him a letter? He said, it was president.

So I said, yeah, Your Honor, you know, I quit the club in 2010. This incident happened in 2008. and I says, we were arrested in 2010. I said, I quit the club, and I'll tell you why in a minute. I quit the club in 2010. I said, now it's 2014. It was like March 17th, I think the day of sentence me.

I said it's now March of 2014. I have no police contacts. I have the same job I've had my whole life. You know what I mean? I'm established in the house and stuff. I says, I mean, I don't have like a real serious, you know, the worst part was, you know, I had like three or four batteries because, you know, I told me he had a lot of people.

But the other two felonies I had were concealing stolen property, you know? Back in the centers, we like steal them all over shackles. Never did that as a hell's angel. But it was a sinner we did. And then, oh, we burglarized some, like, warehouse of a, it was a hardware store. We cleaned it out. We took everything but the nuts and bolts.

And we got caught for it. And it was three of us, right? And they even said the other two guys named that were involved with me. And they said, you just, you know, give us, tell us those guys were with you. And you walk. And I took the whole blame, bro. Got the 60 days, $500 fine was minor, bro. It was way back in early.

80s. Yeah. It's when we were greasers, you know. And I used to snitch on them. So I've been, I've always kept the level that and that shit. So, um, I, I'm trying to think where I was leaving off. So where, um. 2014 now you're talking to the judge.

Yeah. So I'm telling the judge, it's 2014 and I, I really don't have like serious, serious criminal record. It's, you know, I have no juvenile record whatsoever. And I says, I just, um, want to get on with my life. And he does one of these. Are you done?

You know how bad I want to say, yeah, motherfucker and I'm done. That's what I wanted to say. Yeah, when he was looking at, he was reading some paperwork while I was talking. Are you done? Are you done it? All right. I'm going to sentence you to two to five years in a state penitentiary out in high desert, maximum prison, for deliberately sucker punching that man in a face.

Now, bro, I couldn't stand there and have another son of a bitch tell me that. There was no fucking sucker punch, okay? So I say, on the contrary, Judge, I didn't sucker punch anybody in the face. I walked up to the man, he stuck his hand in his pocket. I didn't think he was giving me the keys to his car. And I fought. And the knife fell on the floor. He admitted the knife was his.

And he says, well, you're going to prison. He didn't give a fuck. He says, you're going to prison because what you should have done, this one's going to kill you. What you should have done, Mr. Goldsmith, was, waited to the man, brandished a weapon, and try to use it on you before you hit him. And you know, when you go and everybody tells you,

when you go to prison and all these guys tell you, and they're going, why didn't you say, hey, the cops would have shot him. Remember, hey, don't go, get your hands out of your pocket. You know, all easy, they are, a fast they are with the guns, right? Yeah. Well, you don't think of that. I mean, you've been there, you know, you're standing there.

Not everything goes through your head. You're not that, I'm not trying to say, I was stupid, but it didn't cross my mind. I guess I would just stand her in an amazement like, what the fuck is happening here? And then they said, okay, you can go now. So, you know, I put my hands back and they cuff me up and I threw around. I look, you know, my mom's sitting there. My wife's sitting there crying, you know, and my daughter's crying. And they walk me out.

And as we're walking out, I walk past the DA and she's standing like this by the podium. And she looks home and goes like that. And as I walk by, I go, cunt. And she goes, he just called me a bad name, Judge. And he goes, what do you say? She goes, tell, ask him. I said, she's nuts. I didn't say anything, you know.

So then we get in the back and he's an old black guy, the bailiff. And I'll never forget his name is Cliff because I saw it on his name tag. We get in the back. And he goes, just sit down here, big guy. He goes, I'll go get the clothes for you to change out, you know, into your blues there, whatever it is. And I said, okay, he comes back with the clothes. He goes, here, man.

He said, I really feel bad about this whole thing. And I said, why is that, Cliff? And this is what he said to me. So I think you got fucked. You really got fucked in there, man. They just wanted you. It was a political thing. You know that, right?

I said, but that don't make it right, Cliff. That don't make it right. And I can hear my kid out there, you know? And my girlfriend's got a brain to them, and I'm thinking, shut the fuck up. They don't give her shit if she's got, you know, cauliflower growing out the side of her ears. Basically, he did the same thing.

Are you done? you're going 15 months but I thought they were going to bring them in room with me but they didn't they took me out right away and then I put me in and I didn't see him I thought we'd be like I never saw him again you know

he was like at a different unit and then I was in the one unit and man it was hard for me because I was on Xanax sleeping all the time and I didn't have the Xanax so I was up for like three days bro and I was like

I was like bro I was going like Seriously, cuckoo. And I'm sitting there. I'm with this cellie of mine. And he's doing burpees, right? Jumping up and down, doing the burpees on the ground, up and down, up and down.

And I'm sitting and he's driving me nuts, and I'm thinking to my head, let me kill this motherfucker. I'm going to kill him. I was even going to get up and beat his head on the wall until I kill him. I mean, I was, and it says on there that those pills when you get off of them, my doctor told me this. When you grew a cold turkey off of Xanax like that,

you become suicidal. or you know what I mean, it can give you a massive stroke of heart attack. I was taking two of them a night to go to sleep. I sleep six hours, wake up and function, perfect. And I just need them to shut my brain down.

And all of a sudden, they said, we're not giving you that in prison. They weren't giving it to me. So after the three days, I finally shut down, you know, and I fell asleep.

And then they'd yell at me to come get breakfast in morning. I had fucking shit food. I was only there about, three days, maybe four. I thought it was going to be here like a couple weeks, and then they sent you out on the bus, you know? That's it the guys were all telling me,

yeah, you'll be here about a couple weeks and stuff. I said, oh, okay. And then guys, you know, that were in there, they were all cool with me and stuff, and a couple of the Mexican guys, they were super cool with me, and just one young kid comes up to me in there, and he says, hey, man, how's it going, brother?

I look at him and I go What the fuck are you man He goes I'm an angel out of San Diego I looked at him I said you are And he goes yeah And this is

This is why they do this And I think this is They don't do it on the east coast Which I don't know why It's kind of stupid But I looked at him and I said How long have been in the club

He was all about two years I said Where's your skin patch You know like I see when you had Johnny Bart on her, he had one right on his bicep, you know what I mean? But Johnny got a lot of those in prison, you know what I mean? I mean, it was really good work.

I seen it because I used to write them letters and send him shit all the time in the beginning, you know? He's a good dude. And he says, oh, I didn't get it yet. I haven't had time. That's bullshit, bro, because I'm going to tell you this. When I became a member of San Francisco, they told me, you got 10 days to get a school.

can patch or you can bust it back to prospect 10 days. Wow. But I was a, but I was a different case. I really was. Yeah. You know, that's all right. It's okay. Everyone calls me out.

So I was a different case, bro. I can honestly tell you this. Guys in my charter friscoe are like, what the fuck did you do? I swear to God, bro. I went on my chest and I had California MC tattooed on it. Like a prospect. They said, well, hey, wonder if you don't make it.

I said, well, I would just put a big peacock over it or something, you know. I have a peacock cover up right there, you know? So I'm like, just put a big peacock over it or something. So all I had to do is go get the death head and the angel, hell's angel part put on when I may remember. And I did it that night or the next morning I did it because that night we went out partying the night I may remember. And then I went and got it. you know, and they were like, you're pretty cocky. And if I wouldn't have made it, yeah, I would have covered it up, you know what I mean?

And, but I already had it on me. So I know then I did the same rules in Vegas when I was a leader there. I tell him, you get 10 days, man, or you're busted back. You'd do another whole year. So the guys went and did it, you know. And then I think my kid got his inside his bicep like that. and same place well Johnny got his on the outer part

my kids are inside and then when I left because I let the clubbing good I quit you know I stood up and said I'm out of here because I just didn't feel it anymore and my charter was like acting weird about the whole situation

you know what I went hey he snitched I said read my fucking paperwork man there was nobody in there finally honestly a guy just left, parked a semi down the road from my house, walked up here. He worked for Walmart. I don't want to say his name because he just got out of the club. And he said he was at a East Coast meeting and they said, hey, what about peewee, man? What about his situation, his status? Well, some young guy stands up in there. Well, what the fuck you're worried about? He's a rat.

and Mario from Long Island, he was a sergeant of arms. He said, well, no, he's not. I read his paperwork and everything. He did not write on anybody. Finally, you know, somebody who can read and write. So he knew it, you know. And he says, well, somebody goes, didn't he talk to the cops?

And I did what I told you. I said, you know, and it wasn't like, you know, I was in her, you know, giving them fucking secret. information and shit. Just like, all of us had to deal with the cops in our own way. And I thought I was doing the right thing. If I wasn't, bro, I wouldn't have been a leader as long as I was.

Right? I mean, if I was that shitty, I would have been, like, kicked out of that spot a long time ago. So that's what that's, like, kind of, like, on my integrity, you know, to do that bullshit. So, uh, I'm telling them, hey, man, where do they got me out now? They still got me out bad? He goes, yeah, he said, they're going to put you out as I'm becoming of the hell's angel.

I said, okay, I don't care. I love it, man. So it's like the guys, you know, the guys all in the brothers for life that are like ex-Hels Angels that are out bad, which is majority of them all, right? They got 1502 crew, you know, 15th letter is O and the other one's B, you know. Out? Bad.

So it says 1502 crew. They're all wearing it, you know, and it's the same writing, the red and white writing. And I said, you guys, man, you're crazy. You went to, they're like, come on, Pee, you're 1502 crew. I just keep it to brothers for life. You know what I mean? But at a 1502 crew, they're all guys that are out bad. And what does out bad mean for the people that aren't in this life?

They're meaning like you fucked up, you did something bad, you kicked out. In reality, like I told souls, they're not. There is no really good or bad. Because, Ian, if you were a good member and you had a heart condition or you had like some serious medical issues, you said, I can't do this anymore, guys. I can't do this. I can't ride. I can't do it.

And you want to bow out, right? Because believe me, even if you can't ride and you're sick, that's why my book says, Brotherhood, Greatest I ever told. if you really, Ian were a brother, why would you have to leave? I would say to you, I would say to you as the president, if you were in my charter, I'd say, hey, bro, you don't have to quit.

I wouldn't make you ride your bike. You know, I wouldn't even make you come to the meetings and shit. If you didn't feel good, you come around when you do, because we're brothers. I keep you as a brother. Oh, man. I see one of the guys leave in a California chapter because he had terminal cancer.

It was so sad, bro, I had tears in my eyes. And he told me, he said, I got to quit Pee-Wee, and I said, why? And he goes, my family's still alive, you know? And he was in his 50s, and he goes, I had three months to live, man, and the guys all want to come to my funeral and shit and my family don't want him there.

And I asked him, please, you know, you guys, you can't come. You know, it's like a private ceremony. And they said, they're still coming. So with that being said, you know, he said, the only thing I got to do is quit. Then they won't come. That's true.

They won't. And I said, how sad is that? You see what I'm saying? Now, that's when I stood there for a minute, and I said, and we stand here and call each other brothers. Would you say that to your blood brother? You know, I'm coming.

You want to be part of this anymore? Fuck you. So it was sad. And, you know, he was old school. When I say old school like that, it's like, you know, when he turned around, he goes, goodbye. Pete Wien, he goes, give me a hug. You know, younger guys think of it like some homosexual thing or something. But those old school guys back in the day when they would do it and they would like hug and say,

hey, man, that's why I think there was more brotherhood back in the days, like probably during the 50, 60s, 70s, probably into the 80s. But I seen a lot of it still in the 90s when I came around in 94. I still seen it. I seen a lot of it disappearing after 2000, you know, where the old timers would like kiss you right on the lips, you know. Hey, like a brother or your dad, you know, doing like that. That's what he did with me.

And he walked out, eating in a live a month and a half, and he was dead. and I'll never forget this. We were standing in a club out somewhere, and somebody walked in and said, hey, so-and-so, I found out, he passed away this morning. And I just closed my eyes. I went, oh, man, that poor, that poor fucking guy.

And when the guy standing in front of him, he's smoking a joint, looks at me, he goes, who cares? Fuck him, he quit. Don't even, who cares? I said, I fucking care, man. I care. I love the guy. That's what I mean by brothers, man.

Be brothers again. If I can show that love, I mean, really, I mean, standing around doing that patting on the back, shan shaking, hey, bro, you know. I just met you today, you know what I mean? We did that. It doesn't mean that I just met you outside and we come out and give you a big smack on the lips. It's different, you know what I'm saying? But be real about, be real about yourself, man.

Do you think if you didn't quit, then they would have pushed you out? Or do you think you still would have been riding with them, even through prison, through everything? No, it's changed so much I would have left. I wasn't feeling it anymore anyway. Like I said, you know, the car stopping. It's just the way the club was, the way it was like just with the meetings and shit. I stopped going to the OMs.

I told a lot of people, hey, Ian, you go. I don't want to go. I stopped going to them. It was such bullshit. And I just, I just, I would do what I had to do as a hell's angel, but I wasn't feeling it anymore. And when I sat that room, like I told souls, I said, hey, I asked the 12 guys at table, how many of you guys you're here? Think I fucked up that I said something wrong to the cops.

How many? Out of 12, 7, raise their hand. I said, you believe that? That broke my heart, bro, because I know it. And, you know, my integrity, I know I did nothing wrong. So I stood up and I said, if you guys believe that, I don't belong here anymore. I unsiped my jacket. I took it off.

I laid on table. And honestly God, they were sitting like this. And, you know, it's a long table, that meeting table. And they're all sitting like this. I'm at the end of the table. They look at them. They go, are you serious? I go, yeah.

If you don't believe in me, I don't belong here. If you don't believe in me, you know. If you don't want to interview me, you shouldn't, you went and it came here, right? They don't believe in me. I says, I don't belong here. I'm leaving. And my son stood up and said, I'm going to quit to her then. And I said, Brad, you don't have to quit.

And he goes, oh, yeah, I do. Because these fuckers are going to talk shit about you after you're leaving. I'm going to start stomping their fucking heads on it. And he's six, six, 260. And he would have done it, too. And I said, well, that's up to you. And, you know, he laid his shit down on the table, too, and we both walked out.

The only difference was he was only in the club three years, you know what I mean, compared to, I've been around the club since 1994, and this was 2010. And I'm walking out. I'm not ashamed to tell you, you know, I had, like, tears in my eyes, because it was a thing I love so much and was such a part of. All the decoration, all the shit, all the cool shit in the clubhouse,

fuck, I had them drain the pool, bro, and put Hell's Angels, sin cities baddest on the bottom of the pool. Airplanes flying over, man would see it in the pool. It was bad. And I owned the clubhouse. Nobody had the money to buy it. I bought the clubhouse. I did everything I wanted to do to make us the best Hells Angels we could be.

What happened to that clubhouse? after you quit. I told them, hey, they go, what about the clubhouse? You know, they're afraid like, I'm, you're evicted, get out. I said, you guys can stay here as long as you want, just keep paying the bills. Now, you've got to remember, because I bought the house, the bills were in my name. So I said, keep paying the bills and everything, you know, everything would be cool. Three months goes by Wells Fargo calls, man, but say, hey, Mr. Goldsman, man, you're three months

behind your house payments. house payments were $763 for this big old giant house with a pool and everything. We had it all bricked in, fenced in. It was like a castle. I'm like, what the fuck? So I go down there to kick some ass, you know? It's empty. I go there.

I unlocked the door. I had a code to get in the door. I get in there. I look. And I'm looking around. Frigerator's gone. dish water washers gone. I mean, they took everything but the fucking sink.

You know, washer, dryer. And that shit was all into when I bought the place. And they took all that shit. And I thought, what a bunch of scumbags. I mean, that's trailer trash shit right there. And they didn't pay it. They left the place in shambles. I had to clean it up.

I cleaned it up really nice. And I'm telling you, I bought it because it went into foreclosure, you know, during like all that bullshit. like when the housing things were all going on and I bought it from a mortgage company that house was probably worth about 200,000 at the time this mortgage company

I found out bought it for $60,000 in an auction. That's why I found out. So I went down to them before they listed it. I said, hey, don't list that house. I said, I'll give you $95,000 for it right now. And I'm thinking, hey, that's a quick,

$30,000 and $35,000 in their pocket without them going through anything. And the guy goes, yeah, we'll do it. I gave him $5,000 down. And that's why the payment was so small because then I had to refix the house. The ambassador had to drain the pool and scrape that off the bottom of the pool

would fuck the pool up. So then I had the pool sanded and plastered. Oh man, dude. The money I put in it was probably around $48,000. But I ended up selling that place for $250,000. So you know what I mean? It was a good profit.

Yeah. What happened to the Fed case? The Fed's, it was funny with the feds, the only time they came in, they said to me, well, you know, we're thinking about charging you. I said, charge me with what? Conspiracy to purchase methamphetamine.

Now, here's a weird part, bro. I never understood that. Because I wasn't into that. I just told you. I was never really into it. I've done it. I've done it to stay awake because of prospering and stuff. After I became a member, I do it here and there a little bit.

And then at 45 years old, the doctor says, your blood pressure is 260 over 117, man. I should call an ambulance right now for you. You should be on the floor. I'm not going to bullshit. I was light-headed, right? but I just did like a three-day, three-dayer in Cleveland for their party, and I came home and I slept, and I had to go for a physical for driving the truck.

And they're like, I'm not going to sign this paper, man, your blood pressure comes down. And I was like, wow, how old are you guys, said 45? And he said, you'll never see 50. I said, you know what, Doc? I'll, I'm not going to do any of that shit anymore. I'll stop at all of it. he rolls his eyes. I go, hey, I ain't just talking talk, man.

I walk to walk, I talk to talk, I do it. I said, you can write this in the cement. I'll never do it again. And I swear I got, never have. Wow. And I'm going to be 68. Do you walk around, like, looking over your shoulder? I know you told us that story about the restaurant, but.

No, I can't. I can't live like that, bro. I can't live like that. You know what I mean? Like I said, they roll up. I'll open the gate. I'll retoge about that. I'll open a gate.

I'll let you in. It doesn't mean you're going to leave. I mean, I feel like time is such a big healer. It's been so long, too. Yeah, but with these other clubs, too, it's just like I told them out of Milwaukee. You know, I said, man, what the fuck? It's like prison gangs a lot.

Yeah, he said, I've been out of the club 14 years. I have no fight in this game anymore, man. Why do you guys want to? And he basically said, ah, we ain't doing that. And I said they were pretty cool about it. They really were. I mean, there was enough of them there. They could just, you know what I mean?

They could have beat the fuck out of me, you know, shot me or whatever they wanted to do. I just, I just handled myself like a man, you know, and told them, hey, these rumors you guys want to beat me up and shit and you go, nah, fuck that, you know, that's just rumors. I said, yeah.

So, like, you know, like out of respect, I had to go back to, for a past, because, you know, I'm from there. So I went back to it for a Packer game, and I called the one guy up, you know, the president guy, and he answers the phone. And I'm telling you, I just got his phone number from another guy, but he must have knew it. Because when I call it, because I had that 702, the Vegas number yet, he picks up the phone. He goes, hey, Chuck, what's up?

That's what he said before I even open my mouth. Hey, Chuck, what's up? And I said, hey, bro, I'm just telling you that I'm coming to your town, man. I'm going to go to a Packer game and stuff, so you know, you don't hear those crazy rumors. He's here. He's in town. And he goes, oh, yeah, man.

He said, last time we were here for the car show, we got like 20 guys calling us. He's here. I got his picture. They're taking videos of me and everything. And he goes, man, thank you. He said, basically, like, thanks for doing that, man. He goes, because that saves me the headache of all these people calling,

like they spot the Loch Ness Mon. And they said, this way I can tell him, hey, I know he's here. Fuck off. You know? And he said, I could tell my guy, calm down. I know he's here. So I did it as a courtesy call, which we used to do in the club. I mean, I never did it, but, you know, like Bandhiel's one time said to me,

hey, you're in our town. It was in New Mexico. You're supposed to call us. I ain't called nobody. Plus, you know, I don't ride around with fucking people's phone numbers on me like that. So I did. I give him a call and he said, I appreciate it. And I would do that.

I'll do that every time I go there. Do you miss it? No, I miss a traveling pro. Because, you know, I tell people, I've been to Portugal, London, Switzerland, Italy, Albania, Turkey, Germany three times,

Amsterdam, Holland, been there six times, Luxembourg, Oh, man, there's so many, so many places I went. And it's funny when, you know, I tell people that. And if I don't tell them anything about the club, you know, it's the first thing that comes out of their mouth. Oh, were you in the service? Were you in the military?

No, I wasn't in the military. Oh, you didn't serve for a country? No. I went to military school. And when I did that, I was like, thank you, you know. I don't want to be a part of that. Yeah. What is the biggest takeaway you want people?

to, you know, take from your story the lesson. I would say the biggest lesson is if you're going to do it, do it all the way, man. Balls all, man. You got to jump in there both feeding in that wet cement, man, and wait for that cement to dry because you're going to be locked into that. It's like I said, the Billy, when I was talking to Billy with Stacks, I said,

you know, it's so sad. You know, it's so sad. mob guys and stuff. And you tell me, this guy roll over on this guy. I said, back in the day, none of those guys did that. None of those guys did that. And now today it's so, so much. And I see a lot of guys, like back in the day when they would take your motorcycle

and the angels and stuff, when you got kicked out, those guys that are leaving now and you take their motorcycles, most of those guys say, hey, man, angels stole my bike. and those guys are getting, you know, picked up for grand theft and shit like that. That's why when I said, man, if we kicked anybody out and we kick it to a couple of guys out, we never dirt their bikes. I just said, fuck that. You know, it's just another, what do you call it,

the issue with the police and all that shit, man. I just, what for? What are we going to do with it? Try to sell the guy's bike when he owes money on it. Most of the time you're stripping it down or selling or something like that. So I just said, nah. And like I told you, I had a bad taste of my mouth from the center thing when I got busted, you know. Well, yeah, I got shot at and everything, taking the guy's bike, shooting at me with a 44 meg.

I heard the bullets flying past my head. If you didn't think that woke me up, it did, bro. They got to make, like, a movie about you or a series or something. There's this guy named Frank, right? And Andrew Bartowski, my friend, the actor, it's his friend. And he told me, I'm writing a script to this book. after he read the book, he said, I love this book. He's writing a script.

Well, the first script, he showed me, oh, man, bro. I told me, hey, man, take my name out of this whole thing and get me off of this paperwork. And he goes, what's the matter? I'm like, come on, bro. It's like that A&E all over again. No, it was worse than A&E. I mean, it was like, yeah, we're sitting in a car. This isn't part of the script.

We're sitting in a car outside this house, why this guy's in there cooking crystal meth. I'm like, I never did that in my life. And I said, why would you put that in there? And he goes, well, no, you know, you just got to fill in shit. I go, hey, bro, I didn't fill anything in here bullshit. Don't, but he didn't have the book yet. He was only going off like, like, stuff like I'm telling you, you know, so you got to like pick up and you're doing this, but when you read the book, when you read the book and I'm not bragging and I'm not, I'm proud because I know a lot of the other guys that write all these books. They had ghostwriters.

So they sit and they talk to you and you record it or you're writing it out and then you write the book and then you have the book. I physically wrote that book, bro. And how you'll know it? Because you're sitting here talking to me. The people who know me that read that book, they said, bro, I could hear you telling me the story in your voice. That right there is to prove that I wrote that book.

Yeah, you could tell someone's voice in their writing and the way they talk and the way they tell a story. Right, right. And it's me. So it's a little choppy like when you go through it. But, I mean, when you get through it, you know, it pissed me up because I gave them all the pictures in color. And they put in black and white.

They put in black and white. And I said, hey, no, no, I want the pictures in color. And what they told me? We won another five grand. And I was like, come on, man. I bought a thousand books. It cost me like $12,000. And I said, and you want me to pay another five?

Just to get colored pictures. in her. Unbelievable. That's what I said. Well, Peewee, thank you so much for sitting down with me today and inviting me out here. This was an incredible conversation. We've been going almost three hours now. Really? Yeah, two hours and 45 minutes, man. I got to change my flight now to tomorrow because there's no way I'm making it. But all my luggage is over there. Yeah. But yeah, this is incredible, man. I really enjoyed it. I love that I, like I'm very neutral in all of these like politics and stuff. So it lets me interview. And that's the best way to be, bro.

Oh, I don't comment on anything. And that's like I was sitting down with a former Aryan brotherhood guy yesterday, A.E. over here, like all these different ones, you know. And it's so interesting. Some guys will get on and they start sharing their opinions and this and that. I'm trying to think what's one guy's name that you see on all the time. The one guy had had the beard and he always wears the Indian stuff on his neck. And Indian stuff.

He was on, oh, he was on a couple of podcasts. And I figured his name. He's out. He's released now. But he was like big up there in Aryan Brotherhood. Oh, he's in Arkansas. Is that who you're talking about? No, I don't think he's in Arkansas.

Is he? Was it John John John? No. He was John John. Okay. We'll have to look. Yeah, I have to look at his name. But when he speaks, I like the way he speaks.

He speaks very intelligently and the way he was. And he's one that says that, you know, he got out. because they wanted to put a hit on this family, on this guy's family, like on his mother and father. And he said, no way. He wasn't going for it. So I just, I just thought to myself, hey, and that's a man right here. Because I came around the club, too, you know.

I thought, hey, you're going to get brownie points and all this shit. I said, hey, I know where all these guys live. I know where this and there and stuff is. And they said, we don't give a shit. We're just after the guy himself. We don't want to fuck with his family, his kids. his wife, his house, where he lives. And I respect that.

And I was glad I was taught that lesson, you know. Said, you know, hearing that, you know, go over and throw a bomb through a guy's window. Come on, his kids and wife's in there. That's bullshit. It's crazy. It is crazy. But thank you again, people. Crazy life.

It was a pleasure, man. Absolutely. Let's sell some of these books. Right.