Locked In with Ian Bick - I Was Vermont’s Most Wanted Fugitive - Then I Went to Prison | Daniel Bonyai

Episode Date: March 18, 2026

Daniel Banyai became one of the most controversial figures in Vermont after building a firearms training facility that quickly drew national attention and legal battles with local authorities. In this episode of Locked In with Ian Bick, Banyai shares his side of the story, explaining how the training compound started, why it became the center of intense controversy, and how the situation eventually escalated into court fights, manhunts, and prison time. He talks about life on the run as one of Vermont’s most wanted fugitives, what really happened behind the headlines, and what it was like navigating the legal system while fighting for his freedom. _____________________________________________ #ianbick #lockedinpodcast #mostwanted #fugitive #truecrime #prisontalk #crimeinterview #excon _____________________________________________ Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ _____________________________________________ Shop Locked In Merch: http://www.ianbick.com/shop _____________________________________________ Timestamps: 00:00 Media Sensation & “Most Wanted” Story 01:00 Early Life & Firearms Training Background 03:30 War on Terror & Private Military Contracting 07:00 Why Real-World Gun Training Matters 12:00 Building a Controversial Vermont Gun Compound 17:00 Permits, Regulations & Early Success 21:00 Community Backlash & Rising Controversy 28:00 Court Battles, Lawsuits & Environmental Issues 37:00 Permit Revoked & Ordered to Tear It Down 45:00 Defiance, Contempt & Becoming a Fugitive 52:00 Life on the Run & Media Attention 01:00:00 Arrest, Police Encounters & Corruption Claims 01:10:00 Inside Vermont Prison — Isolation & Survival 01:18:00 Prison Life, Respect & Daily Reality 01:27:00 The Justice System & Ongoing Legal Battles 01:32:00 Life Lessons, Advocacy & Final Thoughts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Like, this is the worst nightmare. Anyone could possibly fathom. Daniel Bonnier built a firearms training compound in rural Vermont that quickly became one of the most controversial properties in the state. What started as a training facility soon turned into years of legal battles, intense scrutiny from local authorities, and a situation that eventually led to him becoming one of Vermont's most wanted fugitives. In this episode of Locked in, Daniel explains how everything spiraled from building the compound to going on the run, what really happened behind the headlines and how the entire situation ultimately led to prison.

I came to the state, Vermont. You know, prior New York, Poughkeeps, New York, grew up. up, raised, born and raised there, lived my life in Poughkeepsie and High Park. And, you know, I got a skill very quickly in my life, being behind a gun. And I wanted to transform that into something productive. You know, I didn't know whether I'd be successful in the military, join the military, joining the law enforcement. I didn't know. I tried to, you know, be successful in the military, and that didn't work out. So I decided I had to regroup, right? And I had to figure out something else I can do. And figuring that out, it just happened to be the war on terror came, you know, and working behind a gun, being behind a gun, the opportunity the calling was there. The war on

terrorism came, 2011. You know, people started to see the need for more gun people, gun operators, gun, you know, officiados, you know, just people in the gun world get in some type of position where they could use their skills to help the government, help them. the military or help eradicate this sinful nature of these terrorists. So I tried out for a team at that time was considered the private military contractor. If you went with a PMC, you were now considered a private security contractor. You worked at 1099 for that organization. That organization worked either directly with the United States government or some other affiliates. I personally only worked for contracts that represented the United States government. I didn't work for other

countries or other entities. And, you know, being overseas, I was operating. You know, I was working, it's called Dignitary Protection. I was transporting essential and non-essential government officials to and from their destinations. The classification of that was called the HVT, high value transport. I know there's different acronyms and different definitions for different entities, but that's what we called it. And, you know, moving people, you were responsible for the preservation of their life. The motto is the preservation of human life. How do we get from point A to point B and stay alive? That's to be offensive and defensive in interrupting any ill intentions from anyone that would come in to either stop your perpetual motion, kidnap or execute your transport personnel.

So that was where the gunfighter came in. You know, you don't get out and do jujitsu or karate or verbal this or verbal that. You fought with a gun. Fighting with the gun was what molded me into the person that I am today. And, you know, some people beat me up on the terminology or the classification, but professionally I'm a professional gunfighter. I'm working overseas. I'm getting acclimated to these types of changes.

You know, a private security contractor is not, affiliated with anyone. They work in a very clandestine manner if you're privy to any of the facts of them. And the underlining or the underlining tone is these individuals work with a complete immunity and impunity. That's what pisses a lot of people off.

A lot of the hate towards me if I'm in the supermarket or I'm congregating in my community, like, oh, you're a fucking mercenary, blood money, you know. But people forget that folks like myself and other people that are highly decorated, are the ones that have been quintessential to the success in the war on terrorism because they're doing the dirty work. No one else can do, right? The dark work, that work is getting done by people

like myself and others. So I see this need for training, you know, I see people come and get dead quick. I see people come and get injured quick. I see people come and do a complete, you know, 360. I made a mistake. A lot of that in my personal opinion resonated around training. They didn't have the proper training, right? They just didn't have a venue. They didn't have an opportunity. They didn't have the know-how or they didn't have the mentorship. They just didn't have some person or some venue to accommodate training. Okay. And the training is, you know, quite contrary to probably how you, you know, if you shoot guns, you probably go to a range, right, put some targets down and just shoot. And

one direction, right? I mean, I'm hypothesizing. I don't know. But what I'm outlining is the stereotypical way people would go to a range to shoot. You know, one direction, one dimension. Gun fighting is a world of no rules, multidimensional, very strategic, and a very complicated manifesto of shooting, moving, and communicating. Right? you're a hunter, you're most likely not moving, you're, you're, you're not communicating, you're just shooting. So when you combine these dynamic facets of a gunfighter and maybe if you interview other gunfighters or a privy to be around gunfighters or people that are tacticians, you know, a real, you know, artists with a weapon, they should articulate similar verbiage

or similar content to what I'm telling you, because that is the component of staying alive. I need to shoot, I need to move, I need to communicate. Okay, where can we do that? You can't do that at the regular range. Can't do that at indoor range. Can't do that at many outdoor ranges. And that's what I saw. I saw the void of where can we go and shoot dynamically? Where can we go and shoot strategically?

Where can we go and shoot with real world scenarios? Okay? There's a void. My entrepreneurial mindset starts, right? I'm overseas in my bunk. You know, I hear guys, you know, some are crying. Some are him and a hauling. Some are, you know, telling their spouses back home.

I gotta get the fuck out of here. Like this is, I made a mistake. You know, I shot today and people shot back in me like, hello, we're in the theater of battle, right? We're at war. We wouldn't be here. So I come up with this idea. I'm going to build a training facility.

I'm going to build a place where people can shoot guns with no rules, no regulations, and is the absolute best opportunity and best venue for someone to come and shoot a gun. Now, there are a few places around the country. You know, I'm not going to name them, but there are a few places, but there's a lot of hoopla to get in there. Maybe you've got to know someone. Maybe it's not economically feasible. I don't know. But I wanted to remove all that.

I wanted to say to my fellow brother and sister, no matter who you are, no matter what race, no matter what religion, no matter what sexual preference, no matter what your financial character is, you can come to my place and you can shoot a gun. You'll get scholar, you know, type of train, not scholar, practitioner, you know, real world people behind a gun to teach you how to gunfight. So I build this place. I buy this piece of land, 31 acres in Vermont. It's backed up to the largest slate quarry in the world. I'm in the middle of nowhere. Okay. I'm at the highest plateau. So that means everyone in the community is below me, like I'm on top of the mountain. Looks great. It, it, it functions

environmentally. It functions logistically. It functions strategically. I'm like, I'm, I'm going to build this place. So I buy this property. I get going. And, you know, where the bane of my existence begins is with the permitting process. You know, there's a lot of hoopla out there. There's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a lot of narratives. And almost all of them are false. Hence why I do these podcasts and, you know, I'm starting this, uh, public relationships, public relationship advocacy. see. I get a building permit to build, not a big place, 30 by 50 school building. The school building is where the beginning of every strategic training scenario begins. It starts with a scholastic academic approach, right? Some rules, yeah, simple rules. Outlines, you know,

where the safety stuff, where the first aid kid is, where you can hydrate, where you can relieve of yourself, you know, many simplistic things like you have here, comfort station, areas, etc. That was the basis of this school building. I don't know if you can rationalize, but 30 by 50 is not big. It's a very small building. And that building was a completely off grid as everything at my property. So I get this permit to build this building. It's not really a tumultuous process. It's not. It's a single piece of paper. You fill in some stuff. You draw a little building. you put some measurements, you know, a guy comes out, he gives you the blessing, off you go. Simple, right? I build this school building and I get this facility going, you know. I've got three ranges.

I got two ranges and I'm building a third range at the time. You know, I've got people from all over, federal agencies, state agencies, military personnel, you know, people are coming. They're like, wow, this guy's got steel targets, reactionary targets, you know, you breach a door and something pops up. good guy you don't shoot. The other one pops up, bad guy shoots, you shoot. So it's dynamic training, right? Real world training. How do we get real world training?

You have to go to facilities like mine was or other places. And what I found was the authentic training that I saw or the authenticity behind life-challenging training, like life-threatening training was never in the United States. Central Europe, the Middle East, you know, other countries where they didn't really give a crap about liability. And they didn't even have a process to mitigate liability. So I said, I need that, right? I need you to come and, you know, maybe you slip on some rocks or maybe the surface is wet or maybe, you know, the lighting is not proper. Like, because when a police officer kicks down a door, he's only hoping and praying the conditions on the other side are perfect for him to implement

or if he has to discharge his firearm, you know, the environment is conducive to what he either knows or what he's trained in. Hence why Daniel Bonney and Slate Ridge came to light. I wanted to make it real world so that you never knew. So I built a facade. A lot of people call it a shoothouse. It was, you know, technically a shoot house. It was a two-story apartment complex, you know, roofing, siding, pello windows, you know, everything you would envision that would, you know, that would, you know, would be practical in a high felony risk warrant or, you know, some type of warrant or some type of, you know, fugitive capture, whatever law enforcement would come into. Breach a window.

Oh, you know, there's a refrigerator there or there's a crib there or a TV. We set it up so it was reality-based training. I mean, yeah, I built it and whatever and I think it was great, but, you know, there was always a lot of compliments about the realism and the authentic nature behind it. So we build this place, you know, my friends and I, and we get going, and long and behold, the anti-gun world opposition starts. You know, I had an influx of, you know, racist actors, the Ku Klutz Klan, you know, other people, a lot of like really nefarious intentions, evil people that lived around me, you know,

and I didn't know that. There was no way I could know, you know, people Monday Night Corribank, oh, you should have done this, you should have done that. I said, listen, when I bought the property, I looked at taxes, I looked at the local crime rate, and I looked at the schools. Well, it looked good to me. It's going to be a great place, right? These folks started the pressure, and they started the real deviousness. And what had happened was, is that on a technicality basis, you know, I'm constantly trying to put my story in this situation in more layman's terms because the more specific you get, the more complicated, I felt I lose the audience, you know, or I lose the intention of individuals that really want to know the crux of the story.

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Need a hiring hero? This is a job for Indeed sponsored jobs. Happened, Daniel. What really happened is this is that I applied for a building permit. The sacredness from everyone, your father to your grandfather, my father, my grandfather, and generation. passed, the whole process starts and begin almost everywhere is a building permit. Okay. The building permit process. Okay. It's only like 14 days in my community, but nevertheless, it's a process.

The authenticity and the integrity of that is the completion of, right? You fill it out accurately. You describe, you put your square footage, and then you pay a fee. Like for me, for example, in my building, I had to pay $400. Not a lot of money. But nevertheless. Then it gets stamped and then you go. The blessing, right?

After your, it's like the baptism. You get your driver's license. Off you go. Off I go. I build this building exactly to the T. 30 by 50. They came out and measured it. We had film crews,

and they were hoping it was like inch and a half off or something. It was perfect. Like you see the close up of 30 by, I mean, they were just, oh, it was so. But what happened was is that the anti-gun world, this anti-gun. culture, these racist Vermonters. You know, I don't know if you know a lot about Vermonters, but I didn't know.

And, you know, to my default, I'm suffering now, and I've lost everything now. But these folks, and sorry for the Vermont audience, it's not like this, but the Vermonter made a mountain out of a mohill, right? Slate Ridge, Daniel Stephen Bonney, in the middle of nowhere, humbly builds this place for people to come for free to shoot and learn gun safety. gun, gun safety, gun shooting, gun etiquette, etc. Was like I was a serial killer. You know, the town got folks together to form what's called the Warren Switch Clan.

Some of the members in there, Clue Clutz Clan members, some are, you know, they were just a smorgish borgue of individuals that were anti me. They didn't like that I was a gun guy. They didn't like I was a private security contract. They didn't like I was from New York. You know, they'd called me a flatlander. They'd call me all these derogatory terms. But their motto and their ideology was predicated on entitlement.

We're going to win. Like, this scumbag from lower New York, ew, like this lady, Mandy Hill, was like, ew, he was so close to Manhattan. You know, ew, he came to Vermont. And it's just, you know, like really sensationalizing my situation. You know, I'm just another dude. dude, like another human, I'm an American citizen, first of all. So they got very articulated, they got very sophisticated,

and they made a very robust presentation to the Vermont Environmental Court. I get made fun of a lot because of that, because, you know, Connecticut doesn't have that, New York doesn't have that. You know, almost no states have that. You know, there's just two judicial processes in most states in the United States of America. There's, you know, the criminal and the civil, right? Vermont has criminal civil and environmental. So there was always a mockery or like that little slap in the face like,

look, dude, you're in the environmental court, right? And I'm like, yeah, boohoo for you. And I'm like, yeah, I didn't know. But it's as serious and sophisticated. Hence this story, why I'm here and the trouble I'm in. The Vermont Environmental Court, I'm not going to bore your audience with it, but the Vermont Environmental Court basically looked at this.

and we tried it. I mean, I had attorneys, investigators. Everyone, you know, that was a constitutionalist. You didn't necessarily have to like me, but if you believed in your constitutional rights that got on my case and presented their legal academia or their legal intuitiveness in my support was on my case, and they're like, listen, no way.

Like, relax, Daniel. You had a validability permit. It's constitutionally protected. If this was an auto body shop, and maybe we'd have our tail between our legs. Maybe if it was a sex toy shop or or some other business, firearms are constitutionally protected. Like you chose that say all and all.

Like no better thing to get involved with that something's constitutionally protected, right? You know, if someone wanted to do a church or there's many things. So I choose firearms. So we get into court and, you know, years later, I lost. I lost. I mean, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars in litigation fees, countless years of discovery and eyewitness testimony and statement. And this Warren Switch clan provoked Thomas Durkin, the environmental court judge, to void my building permit. Wow. Like, I don't think people can

really fathom how critical that is. You know, I talk to people that are 16 years old. I talk to people that are 16 years old. all the way up to 100 years old, if you don't know the totality and authenticity of the process, in the process, correction, in the process of getting a permit, you really can't judge me. Once you fathom that, right, okay, he did this, he did that, okay, it was grand, okay, and then several years later they voided it, and then the judge's decree is, take it down, right? He lists, demolish this building, put it back to the way God had it. My attorney's like, God had it. No one's here even been, like, who would know that, Your Honor?

Like, how could you make such a ludicrous statement? Put it back the way God had it. He was so prejudiced. He was so biased. I mean, you know, Judge Thomas Durkin is a registered Democrat in Vermont, anti-gun, you know, he has a very public platform and campaign on anti-gun rhetoric, anti-gun ideologies. There's no shame in his view.

right it's it's a it's a very prominent opinion and as an authoritarian he can authentically voice and then command through his motions and my motion for slate ridge was to demolish everything you know and that started now the criminal so he says everything's got to be demolished you know not only did I have the school building I had other agricultural things that protected. I don't know if you know what a silo is, a grain silo, chicken coop, sheep shack. Like I had a lot of apparatuses that were also affiliated with my property. Because not known to many, if you came and you were a gun guy and maybe you brought your girl, she'd have to sit in the parking lot and I didn't like that. I didn't want that. So she could get out and ride a horse.

She could get out, go frolic with the Romney sheep. She could go out. She could go out. and see the baby goats, you know, or go into the chick, I had egg cartons there. She could go and say, all right, let me get a dozen eggs. So I built the property to embrace everyone, you know, women, children, people. It wasn't, you know, all dip in Velcrove and, you know, ego maniacs, apex guys running around. Actually, I forbid in that, you know, I was like, listen, this is a family place. You know, you come in, you ride the horse, maybe you're chilling out with the donkeys. this was a family-orientated place.

Yeah, in the back, explosions were going off. Maybe a helicopter was landing. But the premise was that everyone was welcomed. I tried to embrace everyone. You know, I didn't want anyone excluded. Okay. So this judge writes these decrees, you know, the chicken coop's got to remove sheep shacks,

got to remove grains, and it comes down to like, listen, everything's got to be removed. I said no. You know, through my lawyers, you know, they go up, you know, I think there was a 45 day, And then it got extended, and then I'm just like, listen, I'm not doing it.

No one should do it. I invite everyone that's hearing this in hundreds of miles to thousand miles wherever you are. If you have a valid building permit, you should be like Daniel, Stephen, and you don't take it down, right? Don't let this precedent destroy the sacredness of a process that's supposed to protect us. You know, ask your dad if he would take something down that he might have built. Okay. the purpose of my insubordination was is that, listen, I filed the process I believed in. Okay, paid for the permit, plus I paid many years of taxes.

The judge snapped back. Okay, we'll give you back your permit. We'll give you back to $400. We'll give you back to three or four years that we, because when you build stuff, they assess your taxes, right? My taxes went up. We'll give you that all back to you. But you still got to take everything down. And I said, no.

I said, I'm not going to do it. I just, I just refuse to do it. You know, all the major news, you know, from the New York, I was on the front page of the New York Times and color. You know, I was in the Boston Globe, L.A. Tribune. I mean, you know, the news just goes fanatical. Then the deadline came. The judge snaps back.

Okay, now you are in civil contempt of court. Ooh, I'm a fugitive. He directs law enforcement for immediate action, you know, arrest. law enforcement says no. You know, I got a lot of respect for the sheriff in my community. You know, there was an open mic. They got him on T. He goes, listen, I know what that guy's capable.

I've been up there. This guy's got machine guns, rocket launchers. He's got, you know, aviation fuel. He's got, there's a fucking helicopter in the back. Like, no, no. He said, listen, I'm sorry, report. I'm sorry. We're not going up there.

Right? We're not going up there. It's a civil situation, right? We'll catch him someday. He'll come down, but we're not going up there. We don't want like a Ruby Ridge, right? Judge is like, okay, you're going to put sanctions on him. All right, I'll find you $200 a day every day.

Then they go to the state police, Vermont State Police. Their public service representative gets on national television and says, listen, we've been up there too. No, no, we are not starting a war with this man. Like, the narratives you know about him is like, percent of 100. We know the other 99%. We're not going up there.

No. He'll come down someday. Everyone has to come out someday. Same thing with them. They said, we're not going up there. We'll drive by. Like, we would watch him on Savanska. They'd drive by and they go, Daniel Bonney, you're there?

And then drive away. You know, it was kind of comical. But they took a position that I think earned a lot of respect of American citizens. Like, wait a minute, we're going to go up there and arrest them for a valid building permit, a zoning violation? later, but the media really accent, like, you know, they sensationalize this so bad, you know, the most wanted, then the governor gets on a public service broadcast and says, I'm the most dangerous man in the state, and I'm just like, wait, what? Like, this is the worst nightmare.

Anyone could possibly fathom. And all in all, in my conscious, brother, I'm still like, I didn't do anything wrong, right? I did nothing wrong. I did everything wrong. I did everything. I checked every box, right? Federal licenses, state licenses, county license, you know, it's just... So now, you know, about a year I'm a fugitive, a little bit less. There was an expiration on it. So my lawyer's like, all right, get ready, you're going to be free. I mean, I'm literally free.

I'm not, I'm being conscientious when I go out in town. You know, I'm paying a little bit more attention, looking around for 50, you know, my guard is up for sure because I'm a fugitive. my lawyers come through like, okay, this is going to expire. All right, so they go. And he's like, listen, while it did expire, we got to make sure you're out of the NCIC. He goes, I got to take you out of the federal warrant list.

I got to, you know, just give us another 48 hours before you go out and, you know, snub your nose to everyone. So the warrant gets released. Media is like, shame on you, Vermont. Shame on you. The feds and statees. And, you know, you didn't capture this man. And, you know, people are putting in the comments that you should get 25 to life,

bring back the death sentence. You know, just really absurd, like insane stuff, right? And I'm reading all this. I'm like, geez, there's a lot of eight. So I start back my public, my public relationship. You know, I went back to filming. You know, we were filming a documentary for a documentary about this. You know, I had other excerpts in my book deal.

So I go back out to being normal in the public. And it's just making it, the town. There's only 622 people in this town. Okay. We're not talking about a lot of people. And these people are all racist, angry, miserable narcissists. They're just very, very evil people. I promise you, if you want to come up, bring your film room.

I'll show you some imbred, beastiality, some psychomaniac shit that will get billions of views. Because these people are eccentric, like really out there. Anytime you want to come, you just let me know. The photography is incredible. The video is incredible. I've said another podcast, the group that started and, now has almost completed my documentary film, they were 100% anti-gun people.

Like, I tell the story, and I tell to you, I had a guy, he was the grip. You know, he held the boom, Mike, and he came to me, and he's just like, listen, I read a lot about you, and, you know, I kind of judged you. I formed a bad opinion. He goes, but the first person we met in town,

this guy, his name is John Davis, he's the Clue Clutch Clan Grand Wizard. Like, he's their main guy. He's like, I just felt the hate he exuded, like the hate he excreted, He's like, I felt that, Daniel. And I immediately said, I fucked up judging you. Like, this is insane.

Like, I have filmed all over the world, you know, working for different product, different blah, blah, blah, blah. He's like, but this man, like, gave me an image in a position of such hate. He goes, I'm sorry how I fell. He goes, I don't feel that way anymore. He goes, bring it. Where's the next, you know, target of this video? So the people are very bad, the environment, the culture is very bad, the characteristics of everyone is very bad.

And, you know, I'm trying to expose that. Now, you know, the courts in this Warren Switch clan, the attorney, Merrill Ban, Bianchi, just an evil, bad person too. You know, your husband's a corrupt prosecutor. You know, it's just there's a, you know, a lot of my movement and motto in stature of what I'm trying to advocate for is these, the favoritism and nepotism. and corruption. I remember saying the word nepotism to my town select boy. They didn't even know what that word meant. And because there's no internet there, we couldn't quickly Google it. So we had to go on like some other scholar in the room that would give the definition. Like, we're not, they're not educated people. And I'm not saying that to insult disability. I'm just saying they choose not to be educated. They choose, they choose not to be sophisticated. So they put the warrant back in a place. They get it back. It take a couple of months, but they got the warrant back. And now the judge is like,

listen, I think I'm on to this. I think I'm on to law enforcement. Either you're afraid of him or, and they wouldn't let the or narrative come, or, you know, the other option, afraid or what is the other option? They didn't let that come out. The judge said, you're going to give me daily

in weekly updates. Now the police are like, gosh, now it's got to be a paper trail. Like, we can't just go by, you know, we got to, and so they, now for weeks and months, they're documenting. Drow by the house, you know, saw a land.

saw a helicopter land. Like, we don't see Daniel Boni, but they're writing these narratives and the report that's going back to the judge's being difficult. He's hell bent. I'm going to get my way. So I'm driving in a passenger with a gentleman, David Brodsky.

The Brodsky Foundation is a Jewish group, which they hate, but they're one of my main benefactors. They're providing almost all the money other than the LGBTQ plus groups to my legal funds. Like they're sending money into these lawyers. that are, you know, very expensive, five, six thousand dollars an hour. Like, you know, we're fighting City Hall. We're fighting the government.

So we're talking about, you know, big-time lawyers. So we get pulled over and the cop, which, you know, not known to many people, is not really a cop. He's called a constable. A lot of people don't know that. There is a difference in training and characteristics and qualifications, et cetera. this guy, Thomas Kavino, is a constable, he had pulled us over. Now, weeks prior to him pulling me over, an article came out about the Brodsky's. Like, they're the Donald Trumps of real estate in Long Island, you know, lower New York, billion,

trillion dollars. They're very, very wealthy, rich, mega rich, okay? So an article came out about David Brodsky and his family, and this cop, Thomas Kavino, his console time, he put it on his personal Facebook page. You know, so he had started to pull this guy over. Like he was harassing his wife, harassing his daughter, harassing, you know, anytime he saw him in time, he pulled him out because he just correlated. Okay, you support Daniel and maybe one day I'll get Daniel in the car with you.

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Save the everyday with Amazon. Okay, you can't make this stuff up, okay? And then he has two orders of protections for domestic, some type of domestic violence dispute. But in our state, it's called a TRO, temporary restraining order. Then it goes to PR, a permanent restraining order. And in both of those legal decrees that are from a judicial court,

starts in the family court there's a box that says firearm surrender so technically he's not even allowed to have a pistol or any guns and he's got a fucking gun in his holster because he was getting ready to pull it out to shoot me you hear me in the fire I'm like

you're going to shoot me and I I was scared I'm like listen I'm going to lose my life Dave's a real Jew I'm not even Jewish I'm like we're dead here today this guy's going to kill us sprinkle a little cocaine and be like hell the hero but you know it's it's really important that the general public knows it's it's not about me right it's not you can judge me all you want if you want to attack my

character go ahead the cause is to stop this stuff right i don't think police officers should be behaving like this you know then we find out that the chief the guy above him has been arrested two times for giving alcohol to female minors and he is the chief of police the highest level of law enforcement so when you combined all this derelicts like these these you know growing up in New York, people weren't like that. You know, I promise you, you know, I know a handful of great cops. I know another handful of mediocre cops, but none of them have criminal records. None of them have, you know, radical racial ideologies or intentions.

Like, what I experienced in Vermont was extra eccentric. Like, I'm promising you, they were extra eccentric and it was something I never thought that I would experience, but here we got these guys. So now I get in a scuffle and now I'm charged with a fellow. And here it comes, right? You know, we went from a civil matter, civil contempt of court. You could get that. Anyone could get that. You know, judge, they love to say contempt of court. It almost always starts with fines. The first is a fine as a sanction, then up to six months. You know, they hold the power, right? You know, they hold the power. So now I get in this mess with this,

with this cop. And, you know, I had my eye broken. I lost my vision. I had some teeth. I lost some teeth. My whole arm has been rebuilt. It's like bionic now. You know, I suffered. I did. But now I'm into the world of welcome to incarceration. Now here we'll have similarities and familiarness. And collaboration will probably be more comprehensive. They take me to the hospital. You know, they do all these tests. It's a big deal. You know, lots of cops, helicopters, quarantine. I mean, it's just the hoopla. I mean, it's just the hoopla. I mean, I mean, you know, not even 30 minutes on TV, radio, Vermont's most wanted. I mean, it was, it was so sensationalized.

Like, it was just of, I couldn't believe it. I mean, and I was living it. So they take me to this place, Marble Valley Regional Correctional Facility. Now, a lot of people don't know. Vermont only has like four places to house inmates. Three are for men, one is for women. They're not only jails, but they're prisons. but what people don't know is that in Vermont,

when you're sentenced over one year, you're shipped to Mississippi. They do contracts. You know, you heard the term privatized incarceration. Most of Vermont is. You know, they might have a contract with Rhode Island, they might have a contract with Pennsylvania.

So you go to Mississippi. So you could be there for a couple years. You could go to Mississippi. They bring it back. So, you know, I'm in this facility, you know, with just like a buffet of different people. But I go right into confinement.

You know, I go into the box, right off the bat. and you know everything is different you know you could laugh but you know where's my phone call they're like not here in vermont you'll get your phone call after we vet who you're going to call you're not just going to go to the pay phone pick it up and dial anyone i'm like no it's lawyer no no like everything that i thought in red was the polar opposite right when do i get a visibly so i'm sitting in confinement i'm broken right my eyes bad i'm like dating and days of nose bleeding and the tooth, you know, no medical, no help, you know, just

a really strategic and premeditated. Like, we've been waiting for you. You're here and now. We got you. So some time goes by, you know, I meet these, you know, two CEO Ronald Daigel and CEO Jesse Rose. Like, like, you ever see a guard and you felt like a little weird? Yeah. Yeah. So, I meet these two guys and, you know, their presentation was not legitimate. And, you know, through my background, you know, I went through, you know, capture training, you know, hostage training, how to escape, how to survive. Like my mindset, you know, okay, I'm incarcerated, but I'm going to be successful. Does that make sense? Like, I'm going to survive. They come, they're like, all right, we need to talk to you about the Priya. You know what that is. And I said to

the warden. I go, you know, I don't know. She explains it. And I said, and she said, listen, you need to be prepared, whether it's an inmate or a staff. And I said, listen, warden, I don't care what you hear about me. I get a sexually assaulted. It's over. Like, there's going to be mass casualty here. Go ahead and fucking read whatever you want about me on the internet. A guard, an inmate, someone sexually tries to violate me or succeeds. It's over. Like, I'm not doing Priya. You know, I'm not yet, you know, I'm asking hardline questions like, you know, there was no water in myself. They give you two nine-ounce solo cups. You know, I didn't see any of that on TV, right? You know, I've seen videos of San Quentin, Pelican Bay, you know, many different things in, you know,

documentaries, whatever, nothing was like that, you know. I never got out of my cell. I'm like, hey, what about rec? There was always an excuse. Oh, there's a female. We don't have enough staff. Yeah, I was treated really, really like I was the worst human being on the planet. So I end up getting transferred to another facility, right? They're like, oh, it's going to be safer for the staff. It's a maximum security. So I get transferred to this other facility. Now, the facility I came from was the stereotypical Vermonter. You know, I would look at a guard, I'd be like, you have gauge earrings. Like if we went to Marble Valley regional corrections website,

Facebook page or their page right now, you would see people gauge earring, piercings, you know, nose rings. And I was like, I could pull that. I could, you know, like morbidly obese, like a 400-pound guy, you know, and I felt bad gasping. You know, it was just, I'm like, wait a minute. It was extra eccentric to me. And then I'm thinking, how am I going to articulate?

Who's going to believe this? Like, thank God they have some of the images on mainstream. media on it, but like, you know, women with tattoos all the way up their neck, what kind of incarcerate? Like, this was, no one's going to believe me. I can't take a picture. I can't. It was, I was blown away.

I was blown away. They don't have any handcuffs. They don't have any batons. They, they had like a little can of pepper spray you could buy from Amazon. You know, I was like, and there's hundreds of thousands of dudes at this facility, right? So they moved me to this other facility. this facility just got built. I think like the first week of March,

and I got there the third week of March. They just opened up. Still had that new smell, right? This facility was like federally, you know, it was concrete and metal. So like in your cell, the walls were concrete. They lined it with metal.

So I get to this facility and, you know, they do the perp walk, which backfire down. People were banging and people were saluting, saying to Pledge of Legion, some people were trying to do the national, oh, say, it was hilarious, you know, because I'm all over TV now. Every station

news, you know, they have the pictures, my most wanted, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, I'm all over, I'm all over TV immediate. So I get in there, and I, and I, and I, and I get into confinement, right, which there was no, I had no window, you know, and here I'm thinking, like, where is the humanity, like, I can't see it, like, you know, I was in a six by nine cell in this state of the facility that was next level. Like, in all reality, when I got in, I didn't know if I was going right, left, you know, these hallways, you know, it was, it was a complex built.

Nobody's getting out of that place, you know. So I get in there and, you know, I'm asking questions, you know, hey, you know, the warden came and, you know, nice, you know, she's like, listen, you know, you're here because the other place didn't know how to deal with you. We're going to deal with you here, you know. we understand your flight risk, your escape risk. You know, I'm like, yeah, but you're judging me, right? You know, have I passed the intake?

Have you done a value? She said, that's what all is. I'm like, but listen, confinement? Like solitary confinement? You all haven't let me out for wreck. You all haven't given me a shower. I'm like, you know, I know it's going to be hard for the outside to believe, but like I've got money and I've got really reputable people working on this

that are going to believe me and or going to have inquiring minds. you don't think some guard here won't, you know, be a whistleblower. I mean, like, this is not normal. Well, we're going to try to get it normal. And okay, because it wasn't normal how I was being treated, you know. I was literally being treated like the mastermind of the end of civilization. Like, it was hardcore. And I'm not bragging about it because I did 120 days in the box.

Couldn't have my Bible in there. I couldn't have anything in there. Like, it was hardcore. I survived it. But that level of treatment from. you know, come down the road. My attorney's like, it's unconstitutional. It's inapplicable.

You were arrested on a civil defense, a civil warrant that turned criminal because, like, it just doesn't add up. You're tracking? So some of the comedy that I wanted to share here that I've never really been able to share about being locked up was, you know, now it's coming closer to the time I'm going to get out of confinement, right? And in this facility, the way they built it was is that their strategic plan was, was more glass so the guards can see you, maybe not as my cameras, but when you were in confinement,

you know, you could see through a couple layers to general population. So if people really wanted, they could put eyes on you. So the porter's going by, you know, and I talked to him through the feeder port and, you know, he's like, you know, give me coffee once in a while, give me stuff, you know. And I'm adapting, right? Like, I don't know anything about incarceration life. I don't know anything about this world other than what I read a magazine seen on TV or heard. from, you know, a guy that got a weekend in the drunk tank or something, nothing like this. So the time comes and they're like, okay, you know, we're going to let you into general population, but we need to watch you a little bit more.

We're going to transition you into another pod with a little bit less restriction. So basically, I was in confinement, but there was like an 11-foot hallway that could walk in, you know, and then my own shower at the end of there. So I didn't have to cuff up to go take a shower. anymore. I didn't have to have three guards escort me. I got a shower every day, opposed to one every three days. So I'm like, okay. So they bring me over there. I'm in there. I don't know, half a day. Guard comes and buzzes in. And normally when they rush in, you eat, you eat the wall. I don't know if they've ever shell rushed you, but they would

take you right to the back, throw their arm on your neck, and then they would cuff you up. Like, if they raided your cell. So I was like, shit that's going to have. He's like, no, no, he's like, just gather your stuff and it wasn't much. And he's like, we're going to just release you to general population. I'm like, so the evaluation's over. Like, I literally was there for half a day, like in this area. He's like, yeah. So I get this cell and it was the same porter's the guy comes over to me.

And he says, you know, welcome the general population. So I said, listen, who's the main guy here? Like, you know, who's the shot caller? Who holds the key here? Like these are the terms I learned, you know? Who's the big? He goes, oh, see that brother over there? that roster? Yeah, his name is bugs. Go see him. Now, this on whole time, which is over 120 days now,

I'm in a jumper, canvas jumper. It sucked, man. It was hotter than hell in there. The metal sweat. Like the metal had its own pulse in these cells and little condensation drops would come on. It was terrible. So I wanted to get out of this jumper so bad because in your cell, if there was a female on the unit, you had to be in your jumper. Because she couldn't walk by your cell to do a head count and see you like in your boxers or something. So I was just, I was so tired of this jumper, man. So I went over, I got my paperwork, right? I roll it up, you know, says whatever rest of it for.

Everything that I thought would be quintessential to acceptance, right? So I go to the guy and hey, man, what's up? How my paper, I go, you, you're the main guy here, your shot call? He goes, yeah, I go. He goes, no, no, no. We see you on the TV. We know who you are. We know more about you than you know.

So I was like, you don't need to see this? He goes, no, I go, okay. I put it in my jumper little piece here. I said, hey, man, I need something. He goes, what's up? I go, I'd really like a pair of shorts in a T-shirt. He looks at me, and he goes, is that it? I said, yeah, I'd really like that.

He goes, okay. So I turn around, he walks away. I go back to myself, put my paperwork back. A couple hours later, brown bag. you know, shorts and t-shirt. I'm like, man, it was fucking like Christmas, my birthday Easter. I mean, I was like a kid in a candy shot.

I ran back into myself like a little bitch. Put that on. I mean, my sauces and peppers were, like, I was just like, oh man, I came out and I went over to him and I'm like, bugs, right? He goes, yeah, I go, man, thank you. He goes, nah, bro, it's all good. We welcome you.

So I'm like, listen, I got peanut butter. You want some peanut butter? He goes, now I go, listen, I know nothing's free. He's like, nah, it's not like that. I go, listen, I don't want any trouble, man. Nothing's for free. He goes, I don't want anything from you. Okay. So I walk away. Now, Alex, this porter that was, you know, he was in for cannibalism. Everyone where I was were hardcore criminals, brother. Most of them were murder, homicide, arson, like very dark stuff. There was no lightweights there. this facility in where I was housed

the darkest of darkest dudes and I'm living with the conscience of dark and evil sins I've committed on mankind but I've done it with immunity and punity I did it in the name of justice let's say so I've got my own skeletons I'm living with but I'm hearing these stories so the next day I'm you know I'm sitting like at the only table by myself

I don't know anyone and I'm not fixing to go hey can I sit with you kid so I hear Yo, Danielle. I look up. Bugs here. He goes, you come eat with me. Now, he, he handed out the food trays. He sat at the first table near the podium where the COs were.

No one sat at his table. He goes, you come sit with me. All right. Yeah. You know, I have my little swagger. I walked up there. Oh, shit. This is going to be good, right?

So sit down. We start talking. Now, you know, I have a very religious diet. You know, I'm a vegetarian. I don't eat pork for religious purposes, any bottom feeder. So, you know, he'd open up the tray and there'd be like a patty there. And I'd be like, hey, man, I can't eat this. And he's like, all right.

He's like, I'll trade you my salad, my vegetable, my cabbage, my lettuce. So we formed a relationship very quickly, right? I got a newspaper USA Today. Every day slipped underneath my door in the morning. So life got easy. I'm not lying. Like, I speak to bugs. I spoke the bugs on the way down here, right?

You know, he's doing 25 to life. He made my life very comfortable and in an eccentric way. because, you know, I formed a relationship with him. You know, I don't know how it was where you were, but it's better to be with the leaders than, you know, the deserters or the, you know. So, you know, I'm starting to do, you know, the time now, right? And I'm thinking of myself, I got to meet crazy with crazy, you know? So one day, you know, a guy goes running by myself, right?

this this is i forgot his name but he was a gay guy he killed his mate right his his boyfriend ended up having sex with a girl and he went crazy and like killed the guy ripped the guy apart he was a couple of cells down so he runs by my cell so i'm like all right i'll break my chair i got to right daniel's got to i got to get my chops here so i jump by right he said's like what the fuck are you doing i get right up in his girl i go yo why are you running He gets the eyes guy, no, no, no, no, bro, bro, bro. There's no running here. Okay?

I get triggered when I see people running. There's no running here. There is no running that includes, but not even limited to death. There is never, ever running here. You understand me? Oh, man, I go, yeah, that's it, bro. Where are you running to anyways? Why are you running?

We have nothing but time. We're in jail, locked down. Okay. So I walked back. I felt pretty good. I'm like, so the next day, I'm like, so there's three classifications. If you had orange on, you were kind of in limbo, right? You could be going to federal, you could be at state.

If you're pink, you're in protective custody. If you're stripes, you were federal, but you were in this holding area, maybe for transport, maybe you're waiting for Conair. Who knows? No one ever knew. So I see my opportunity, right? and I'm like, okay, this is, this is going to change the dynamics of Daniel here with these. Because there's like 150 dudes there, you know, big, small, whatever, but all hardcore, hardcore dudes.

So the cert team brings in this giant black guy, right? This is true story. I can't to God. And he has stripes on. He's six foot nine, 450 pounds. He wobbles. They got the shackles tight. So I'm hoping the guards would go in on it, but they couldn't keep it together.

So I go out and go, hey. He looks at me. He looks down at me. I'm looking at him. He goes, yeah? I go, you fix this day in my unit here? He goes, yeah, I go, two soups every week to me. And the guards could even keep it a nanosecig.

They start laughing. They just bust out laughing. They're like, Bonnier, come on. And I'm like, and I'm just holding the face. He goes, yeah. And then they just bring them to the shoe, you know? So I'm like, all right. Still not working, you know.

So now the next day I come up with this idea. I'm like, all right, crazy to crazy. So what I would do is I do laps around the facility, right? The wreck was a 20 by 10 area with no sun. You try to put 100 dudes in there. It's like, you know, you're sweating on each other. So I, you know, so I'd get out of my cell and I'd walk around, I'd limp. First I'd do the right leg.

You know, I'd make it all theatrical. And I'd do like 50 laps, right? Then fast forward to next day. I'd go and I'd do the other leg. And then I would take my sheet and I'd make like a, like a sling and i'd put my arm then i would switch it to the other arm then i had an eye patch from that sometimes i'd take that and put it on this side sometimes i put it over my nose and i would do all this crazy stuff because people were watching right and i was actually damaged you know i had my

arm bro i was so but you know i wanted some comedic release so find this one guy sway comes over me one day you know and he goes hey man see you're messed up you know he's like um Sugar low? Sugar low. What are you talking about? He goes, well, the way, you're all messed up. And he says, yeah, I'm taking it to help you out. You know, you need some bread?

And I'm like, oh, yeah, you got rye, pumpernickel, wheat, raisin. He goes, no, bro, money. I didn't know bread meant money. I'm like, what's your name? You go, so I go, no, I'm good. And he's like, what's your name? And I'm like, Daniel. So that day I went back to my son.

I'm like, everybody here. has got a name sway bugs gator you know chainsaw and i'm like so i come out i'm like hey i get everyone's attention hey let me get your attention yo everyone's listen i go effective tomorrow 12 o'clock i'm no longer daniel bonnier i'm johnny crinshaw so they're like yeah yeah yeah but you know what it came down to is the hardliners they're like listen man you know murder murder arson homicide you know shooting and then you zoning violators like you know you're out of place bro you're you know but we'll embrace you but i was always doing kooky stuff you know one day i went up to the to the ceo's podium and i put a sign-up sheet i put uh gang initiation new gang forming meet Thursday night

6 p.m behind the furthest concrete pillar and i put one two three and i put sign your names on here so i left it up there then i'd go away and i'd watch and the CEOs would pick like the people did intelligence with the cameras, I wish we could talk to them because of shit that I did. So inmates would come and they would sign their name. And you could read the lips like, is this for real? And they'd leave it there, you know, but it was just, you know, it was just comical, you know. And even some of like with my, um, my intentions, like, I'd walk around in the morning and look in cells. And this Alex kid, he, he, he ran, Daniel, Danny, tap me on my show, so, yo, yo, prison etiquette, yo. Like what? He goes, you're, you're, you're, you're

You're looking in cells? Like, are you out of your mind? I'm like, yeah, he's like, what are you doing? I'm like, I'm making sure no one's sleeping. Because if you lost your fucking mind? I go, no. People can't be sleeping. It's 10 o'clock.

Get up. And I would go. I'd knock on dudes, drop. Like, hey, what are you doing, man? You work late or something last night? Get up. Come down. Be healthy.

You know, like, I'd walk around people that eat their trays or anything, their vegetables, like, hey. Like, you know, it was just, I put a certain level of comic relief behind it. Because, you know, on the outside, you know, my property's getting destroyed, you know, the government's forming really hellacious federal charges, you know, charges against me. You know, they're just perseverating on how do we shut this guy down? How do we end this guy? How do we keep him incarcerated? And, you know, I had a lot of people that really did even believe that, you're never getting out. I'm like, wait a minute,

as soon as they demolish the property, which was the, you know, the precursor to this, you know, then we'll have to go in front for a bail hearing. So while I'm not, you know, yes, stuck in this limbo for the property stuff, at some time the government's going to say, okay, as due process goes, we're going to have to open up, you know, either a motion to suppress or whatever, but eventually I'll get in front of a judge to get bail, right? I mean, they can't. So that time I was trying to make the best of it, you know, I wasn't going to let, I wasn't going to let incarceration break. This spring, Uber Eats has you covered, whether you're celebrating mom, dad, or your favorite grad. Not all of us are great planners, and with the Uber

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I can work with that. This should be tons of fun. Marvel Television's Daredevil, Born Again, now streaming only on Disney Plus. You know, the confinement, I don't know if you've ever had. ever, you ever been in the shoe? Yeah, did six months in the shoe. Yeah, so you know. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's dark, you know, where I was, I hope you had a window or something. I didn't have any of that. I wouldn't really count it at a window, but yeah, I mean, but I couldn't, I didn't see the sun for, you know, close to a year. And well, that's not

super, uh, a deal breaker for some people in their life. To me, you know, I'm an outdoors person. I live off grid. I live on a mountain, fresh air, fresh water. Seeing the sun is pretty, paramount for my sanity, a component of my character, my health, et cetera. I'm not seeing it for so long broke me a little bit. But, you know, I didn't want to allow that component of incarceration break me. Because on the outside, you know, things were getting worse. Like my girl at the time, she says, hey, Daniel, you know, I got some bad news. I'm like, what's up? She's like, do you remember CEO Daigle and C.O. Rose. I'm like, yeah.

It's like, well, they went into your tablet and they put on social media some of the scandalous pictures I sent you. Now, I don't know what you use where you were. At one point it was JPEG, then it was Securitus, and then GTL. Any of these

sound familiar in the prison system? For what? Messaging? Yeah, for the tablet. I think it was, we didn't have a tablet. Okay. Yeah, the tablets didn't exist yet. Okay. So, we had like a messaging thing in the federal system. Okay. Like an email. I think it was like J-Pay.

Yeah. That was it. Okay. I don't think you could get pictures on it. So they just, all that stuff just started. Like when I got to this new facility, the other facility had adopted similar to that. They used GTL getting out. The moral of the story, there was a platform there for family to communicate with.

It was very expensive. But, you know, they vetted every picture. They vetted, you know, every text message, et cetera. So these two shitbag correction officers. get into mine and put the pictures out into the world. You know, nothing I'm embarrassed about, but just, you know, that's a total violation. You know, my lawyers are like, whoa, like, you know, there's copyright rules and regulars, registrates, like every facet of protections for you as an inmate, because you're a protected,

you know, you're a protected individual, you're incarcerated, so there's certain level of privacies, you know, not like HIPAA, but you do get that inmates, guards can't be, they can't be doing that stuff. So they did this stuff. and then my allure's like, wow, just like another slap in the face. Like, you know, now we got to deal with the Department of Corrections. Now we got to get police involved. And, you know, these two shitbags, you know, I don't know what they got from it.

You know what I mean? But they did that. Then a little bit of time goes by. And back into my world, the correctional at Ronald Deagle, that's one of the guys. He was caught up at my property, stealing stuff. and my attorneys are just like, you know, we got them on camera, a farm, because you got to remember, I'm incarcerated. You know, they're demolishing stuff, but there's still people, you know, they still got to take care of. I have a power attorney.

I got people helping out. So this CEO steals some stuff from my property because he's like, oh, he's locked up. He's probably never getting out. I'll free for all help myself. He stole some stuff. You know, it's just like, what are you thinking, dude? Like, you know, do you not care about your career, your reputation? It's a mess, right?

On the outside, things are, things are just, it's metastasizing. It's getting worse. Everything, everything you can think is getting bad. It's getting worse. So, you know, I'm still in car, you know, I'm still in jail. I'm still, you know, struggling to, you know, I necessarily wanted to be accepted, but I wanted to, I didn't want to be in a fight. I didn't want to be definitely not sexually assaulted.

You know, I made it very clear my position. Fundamentally, was I doing right or wrong? I don't know. I've never been in jail before. I hope I never go back in, but there wasn't a rulebook, right? There was no rule book for you other than what probably guys told you in the joint, right? Yeah, exactly. You know, I didn't know what was right and what was wrong.

And when I did something wrong, you know, I tried to put a little comic relief behind it. You know, for example, the way Bugs and I sat, I sat watching the door, and he sat watching my back. and we had some other inmates come in and were eating one day and bugs goes oh no i go what's up he goes look at the phone tree now out of 150 dudes there was two phone trees on each tree is a concrete pillar there's four phones on it so there's eight phones for 150 dudes it's you know get on the phone you know quickly okay so i don't know these italian dudes came in they were supposed to be organized mafia guys. So you may chuckle at this because I didn't know.

But so when they came in, the one guy went up to the pay phone and he flipped it around. Okay? The other guy took a sock on the other phone tree and wrapped it up and put it on there. So now bugs, you know, being in prison,

you know, 25 to life, he knew the rules. He knew the flu. Flow, he knew the momentum. And he dictated. He was a shot caller. He said, Daniel, that's a problem. What does that mean?

And then he told me, I go, fuck that. I go I flip the phone over Put it back I go to the other phone tree Take the sock off Throw it in the trash

Italian dude comes over to me Yo Yeah What you're doing over there I go Oh this is you He goes yeah I go Now we don't do that here

He goes where the fuck you from I go earth He goes I'm a made guy I go Made of what bones Tissue blood You ain't got no brain

Nah nah man When we feel I go listen bro I don't care who you're with I'm like We don't do that here, okay? We all been living here for months. There ain't no problems.

We ain't doing that. No, no. I said, listen, dude, fuck out of here. I'll crush your larynx. I don't care. Like, you see, bugs? He runs a show. He's the brains on the muscle.

We don't do that here. And he was like, oh, you know, I'm organized. I'm like, the name is Salvador. I go, listen, I don't care. No, no. And then people are like, Daniel, we got a father. I go, no, no, no. We've gone this whole time.

Like, let's say we've all been together six, seven months. We haven't had that. I mean, I don't know if they had that in your, have you ever heard of that before? About people flipping the phone. Yeah, yeah. I mean, people would have reserve phones, but most people had cell phones at that point. Yeah. No one was fighting over the wall phones.

Right, right. So at this place, you know, I think one, because people were telling me that the influx of contraband was limited because, you know, it was a new facility, the shakedowns, the heavy guarding and controlling of what was coming in. Yeah, cell phones and other things. came around, but the first few months, you know, it was a lot tighter, from what I understand, because it was a brand new facility, new rules, new regularly, you know, there was a heavier oversight. Our, our cells were getting, you know, shook up a lot. So, but, you know, I didn't know that.

You know, I didn't know that when the sock is on the phone, it's gang, gang phone. And, you know, while I didn't have any fear, like, I don't have fear in my soul. Like, I fear God and him alone. I really tried to authenticate that to, people because, you know, I had a guy in there that, you know, I called him Saddam Hussein, but his name was J.R. You know, they had just brought him and his crew in. The attorney general just busted them like ghost guns. I'm not talking like 2,500. Like, you know, big, big crews doing hardcore stuff, you know, he had shouted out one day, you know, who the fuck is getting the kosher meal? And I stood up. I'm like, I'm getting the kosher meal. And he's like, oh, you're a

fucking Jew? I'm like, oh, boop, here we go. Time to shine. So I, I I get up in his face. I'm like, listen, man, chill out with that Jew shit. Like, you know, it doesn't matter what I am, right? No, bro, I'm from Palestine and go, ooh, might be nice. I'm a Muslim hunter. I'm like, you know, it's just like, you know, I try to explain him. Like, mind your business, you know.

Next day he comes back, go, I called home, you know, I found out you were Ben Shapiro's bodyguard for five plus years. You are a real Jew lover. And I'm like, listen, Saddam. He goes, it's not my name. I go, well, that's your name now. I'm like, you really need to tone it down. Like, I'm not that guy.

You know what I mean? And, you know, it came a little bit more argumented. And then I always had latex gloves because when I clean my cell every day, I put gloves on. So I had two gloves here. So I take, I put one on. I did it all, you know, put the other one on. He goes, what's that for? I go, oh, I'm a germaphobe.

I don't want to get your blood all over me. Boom. He takes off. You know, Bugs is watching. He goes, you're crazy, Daniel. I'm like, I take my glove, put it right back. Reusable, you know? I think that people that aren't strong got abused.

You know, I didn't like to see that, you know, people getting shaken down for their commissary and stuff like that. But listen, and in my mind, I knew I wasn't going to be there forever. And I knew that, well, I'd like to say, I knew a little bit more about the law than the average person. I knew I had, you know, great advocates on the outside. A bail hearing would come, you know, for now the criminal charges. Although they're all criminal in the eyes of the people that are going to comment and criticize

and Monday night quarterback, but, you know, the real altercation with the police officer with the constable, Thomas Cavino, you know, we would have a day in court to be heard. And I knew at that point, it's 50-50. You know, they could say no bail, held without bail, I could be, you know, moved to a, whatever. But there was a judicial process that I really believed in, I had a lot of respect for, that would hopefully allow me to get a lot of respect. out. Does that make sense? So did you have to serve your contempt of court sentence before the bail hearing? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. The process of the contempt of court under the Vermont environmental judicial process was to keep me incarcerated as long as necessary to they demolish the property.

You know, my lawyers really argued that with many motions because there was so much ambiguity behind that. Like we went to the judge and said, well, what happens if it takes a year for them to demolish the property? and the judge was like, and he'll just sit in jail for a year. That's really not judicially applicable because the punishment has to meet the crime. You know, I don't want to question your intelligence, but you know that, right? Whatever you've done, there is mandatory sentencing. There is sentencing. There's a lot of facets, right?

Wait a minute. He had a valid building permit. He refused to take the building down that you nulled his building permit. Now you're saying he has to stay in jail for how long? So, you know, they say that the demolition. crew and the town worked in an expeditious manner, you know, you know, it took time, you know, to demolish the buildings, pull out all the electrical plumbing, grade it, you know, it took time. And in that process, I just had to wait.

Now, did they work as slow as possible? Absolutely. You know, they didn't. They wanted to see me suffer. And they also knew on the back end that it wouldn't just be an immediate release. You know, I'd have to go in front of the judge. You got to post bail, you know, et cetera. But the time and the punishment from a, from the judicial process, the branches of government that we all should respect and rely on failed me.

Wait, there was no appeal process? So, so we did appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court and they upheld it. You know, they... This was before he started holding you in contend. Yeah, so this was part of the years-long legal battle. Yeah. Okay. I've lost a lot of respect, you know, for the judicial process because what it seems like,

and this is just, you know, directives from attorneys from legal academic, legal academia, you know, very scholastic people, that it's very difficult for a judge or judges in the future to reverse judges' opinions or decisions in the past. now that's an impractical relationship i think i think there's a lot of injustice with that because judge one may do something he shouldn't have done the judge two should see and correct i mean you know it's kind of like two parents you know maybe your mom spanks the day let's out of you your dad comes and you know i know that's a very romanticized example but what i'm saying is is that the average american citizen looks and i think has faith in that like hey listen couldn't we look back but

when they do, they are just really upholding it. And I banked on that system, right? You know, the entire time as a fugitive, as most wanted, as the most dangerous. Like, I just always had this position all the way back from day one. You know, it's not going to change from, you know, the documentary film, the book that I wrote, et cetera, that I really believe that I would just walk in with this permit

and say, hey, listen, here's the permit. I use very comprehensive examples. It's no different than if I drive home and I forgot my driver's license, a cop gives me a ticket for no driver's license. I come back, show the driver's license to corrective. You have it. That's the premise a lot of the American people, but let me really make it more specific.

The Vermonter fails to understand. I had a valid building permit. You can attack me all you want, right? It's not about my character. What we're at now in this particular scenario is the causation. What has caused Vermont society to do something so egregious to something so sacred, a building permit, any type of permitting. You know, whether you become an architect, a dot, you know, there's always some permitting process, which is the stepping stone to approval. Right?

We got a driver's leg, we did a learning permit. I don't know if you did that, but I had a learning permit. The process is eloquently and sophisticatedly outlined. I followed all that. As many other people have done. But now that the precedent is set that in the state of Vermont, hey, listen, we don't like you. We don't like what you stand for.

We're going to terrorize you with zoning. And that's kind of like a thumbnail and a focal point. People are like, listen, they found a way to get Daniel out by terrorizing him with zoning. Zoning terrorists, a group of angry, miserable human beings that don't like guns, that don't like black people, they don't like Jews. Everything that I stand for that they hate, they found a way to manipulate the system, massage the Constitution to suit them, not me, and they won. you know it's it's it's catastrophic to your audience to really focus on and perseverate on that fact forget about who i am forget about the things i've done wrong forget about my skeletons if you apply your audience or anyone else if you apply for a building permit and it gets taken away

and you subside to being a sheep and you take that building down you have fund fundamentally desecrated the decree of what all of our forefathers have stood for, and that's abiding by a system that has worked that has now failed, right? Taking away a valid building from it years later, and then taking that structure away. Listen, there's many things that could have been done different. We could have, we hired a company to say, listen, we could pick the building up and move it. The judge said, no. It has to be completely demolished.

and none of the contents, I couldn't save some lumber, I couldn't save some of the copper, I couldn't save any of it. The judge had written the order so specific, so narcissistically to prevent the success or repurposing. Even one motion said, I, Judge Thomas Durkin, need to prevent the repurposing of this structure material. Like, people don't want to do a FOIA request. People don't want to look and do the research that we've done and we know and we live. They just want to believe the sensationalized media, the negative things they say about me, the derogatory things they say about me.

But I say to them all the time, but I've even said to my own attorneys, wait till you fucking run into this problem. You're going to be praying you knew me or we were still in cahoots or we still had a relationship because this is so egregious. This is such a violation. And, you know, it's a hard pill to swallow. I thank God every day that I've lived this chapter. I do.

I know that sounds crazy. But since 1837, my town has boasted. They have advocated. They have solicited pure white. Know this, know that. You know, the entitlement has fundamentally poisoned the people that in that community, they're weak. They drink the Kool-Aid.

they listened to the almighty level of corruption. And, you know, as some captions say, until Daniel Bonnier came. And when I came, I just refused to say no to something that is not fundamentally applicable. I mean, is there hate? Yes. Is there demise? Yes. To me, why?

Because I stood up for my rights. I'm standing up for other people's rights. you know we've spent thousands of dollars in advocacy you know reaching people around the country that have been you know removed from the community they're almost always black the Jewish community many gay and lesbians and they write back or they communicate in some fashion to say listen we didn't have the strength right we don't know how to fight you know the clansmen came the towns came they look strong their potato strong

They intimidated us. They killed our dog. They set our house on fire. You know, they did these things. And I understand by fear, too. If you have fear in your heart and your mind, you are going to run away. You know, there's a lady that was featured in my film. She moved to the community, started a little bed and breakfast right on the main road,

Route 30. And the townspeople went in and they're like, wait a minute, $4 for a cup of coffee. She was, yeah, it's a moccuccino latte. They're like, no, no, no. Nobody around here charges $4. It's going to be $1 or $1.1.5. She said no. They find her, shut her down, boom.

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I stand for everything you stand for. You know, he bailed me out. I have no conditions. Like, he's like, listen, in my heart, he goes, I've bailed out thousands and thousands of people. You know, I'm always messaging him. Like, you need me to help catch someone? You know, he's got people on bail all around the country. He's like, I never think about you.

I never worry about it. Actually, the Christmas after I got released, I sent him a message. And I'm like, hey, this is Daniel. I just want to thank you because of you. I'm out. He goes, who are you? And I'm like, you're my bail bond. He goes, oh, yeah.

He literally forgot about me. But the respect he has for me, the respect has for him. He goes, he knows I'm doing the right day. I go to all my court appearances. I answer all my conditions in terms of release. And, you know, he's one of the people that didn't drink the Kool-Aid. Like he literally told me. He's like, I'm going to snap one picture of you and that's it.

Go. How long has it been since you got out? So coming up here will be two years. So you've just been pending in limbo for two years now. Yeah. My criminal trial keeps federal and state trials keep getting postponed. There's always something. I want to complain, but what could I do?

You know, I believe in my heart, and I know that you may not agree in many other people in the audience, like, oh, no, it's all corrupt stuff. I personally believe the system is going fairly for me. I'm a criminal. I'm the felon on this end of it. But we watch, we have many, many people involved in this. I mean, this is, this is, you know, it's not the crime of the century, but it is a nationally sensationalized case because just after I get arrested, they adopted a new law, you know, to prevent people from shooting together,

paramilitary law, and my name, you know, went to, went to the statehouse, went to Congress, approved, you know, every condition, every prevention has been implemented to stop me or stop future people like me. The non-the-an-gun, the non-gun owners, right? Follow me here for a minute. Have said, listen, what this guy did, we can't ever let it happen again. Legal or not, and everything I did was legal.

You know, I had every license, every permit, every, everything you could imagine. And in hindsight, some of the federal lawyers are like, listen, Daniel, I get it. It's intimidating to me. Like, I come visit you. You hand me a 203 rocket launch. She's like, you know, I've always seen these on TV.

He's like, can we shoot it? We go on the back and then walk a boom. You know, they're just, they're ejaculating in their pants. You know, they're so overwhelmed. Shooting a fully automatic gun, you know, blowing stuff up. But the federal government said, yeah. They said yes. The state failed to adopt, you know, that parallelism.

They failed to say, well, they said okay. And, you know, a lot of people look at, it goes God to federal government and everyone beneath, right? Vermont, like, even if you look at Vermont right now, you know, they've written a bill to stop people talking at public hearings. You know, they're just constantly attacking the fairness and the equality that an American citizen should have. And I didn't, it really didn't resonate with me in the beginning. Like I was really getting beat up online, the media. But Fox News did a story, and they had 2.3 million comments.

Okay. And when we look at numbers, I look at peer-reviewed data. I like to look at historical data. Like, I'm that fact. I just want to talk about facts because my credibility shot, right? The state hates me. But at that time, the Fox News did that story. There was 622,000 full-time Vermonters.

Okay. So I have that number here. Fox News, 2.3 million. I'm like, Vermont ain't sure. shit. It's just, this is triple the amount of people have something positive to say for me. But the moral of the story is, is this, is that you don't have to like me, you just have to respect me. And the folks that are refusing to adopt to how dangerous this scenario is, listen, maybe you stay a renter all your life. I'm not demeaning that. Maybe you stay living in

someone else's. Maybe you never come into the world of having to apply for a building permit. Maybe. I know a lot of people that, right? There's nothing wrong with that. We're not discrediting that. That's your life. That's your, but if you do come into this situation and you live in Vermont, the precedent has been set by Daniel Stephen Bonnier, Slate Ridge, Vermont, that this could happen to you, that a radical, tyrannical group of people. Now, They happen to be governed officials, you know, government associates. But they convened and then reconvened to formulate this plant and they were successful. It's crazy.

It is. You know, it's, I've spoken to people, you know, from a GED to Ph.D. And, you know, the most inquiring minds are the people that don't like me. And I respect that. You know, I just did a radio show yesterday that got the best views they ever have. and, you know, people are calling and asking and asking hardline questions. But the moral of the story is,

is I've lost everything now. I'm not trying to gain anything. You're not paying me to be here. There is no monetization for me in a profitability standpoint. All I'm trying to do is really start this advocacy of allowing people to know the difference between right and wrong, okay?

Criminal stuff, wrong. We're not going to talk about that right now. That's what the judicial process is for. That's what 12 peers in the jury will dictate for me. Yeah, you're nay. Go to prison to 12 to 15 or exonerated or some plea bargain or something. Okay. But right or wrong on the building permit?

Daniel's right. You know, it would be different if there was a violation in built it too big, change the positioning, in proper classification. Like a lot of people say that. They're like Daniel. Well, we read the permit and it says school slash education. Yes. Because I went to the state and applied for a license for education.

It's not a matriculated. I'm a private school. I don't have to show a curriculum. It's not matriculated. So it's a school. It's an educational facility. Oh, I guess you're right. No, I know I'm right.

Because that's what lawyers are for. That's what the accountants are for. That's what, you know, the license. We had all these professionals integrated in the system to make sure the system was full-proof. Full-proofing of the system failed me, brother. It did. But either way, how it all unfolded is crazy, though, too. Yeah, yeah.

You know, civilly went to criminally very fast. Right. And, you know, we joked off camera, you know, during this fugitive standpoint, you know, my lawyers were like, we could hire someone that prep you for jail and, you know, maybe we should only do like eight months out and then turn yourself in. And, you know, I know, yeah, jail can be scary. How bad was the places I was at? I don't know.

You know, I knew guys were coming up from Manhattan's facility. You know, they were saying that was tough. You know, guys from other places around the country. I'm not just trying to credit, I'm discrediting or crediting them. I know this. Incarceration was tough. The process of incarcerating me was even by the prisoners. you know, I don't want to say, because maybe they don't know ethically, but they knew I was treated

differently. You know, they knew. And oftentimes I've spoken another podcast about it. You know, you know, hardcore inmates would come up to me and they'd be like, listen, why are they treating you this way? Like, I just clipped a couple of people on the Tappenzie Bridge. Like, I know what you've done in your history of work, but, you know, why do you have, you know, extra shackles on? Why do you have, you know, four cert guys moving you. Why do you? You know, and another thing is that this, I never went off this unit that I was on. Never. Everything was there, brother. If you had to go see medical, they had a little room. If you had to go see your lawyer, I never left that room. And other inmates got to leave, you know, education, you know, religious services, whatever. I never got to

leave. And there's always someone watching. And they would always say that. Like, you've never left here. I'm like, no, you're correct. Good observation. Why? And I'd be like... Yeah, when they don't like you in the system, they weaponize it. No, no. For sure.

For sure. And, you know, at both facilities, I was, I guess, grateful enough to speak to the wardens. I knew that they were in tough positions. You know, I had a situation one time where, you know, we were watching TV and they they yell code blue, code blue. And I didn't know what that mean. They're like, you got to go back to your cell. I'm like, why?

Like, because a guy like you's coming in, that's for celebrities. They locked the whole fucking facility down. And I'm like, oh, that happened. When I came in, they're like, yeah, I was on a phone call. And thanks to you coming in, cold blue, I had to get up. So, you know, there are terms and conditions, and that pissed inmates off, right? Who's the code blue for? Oh, they call it a celebrity.

They're bringing in the Bonnier guy. You know, so inadvertently, they cause animosity. And that builds that tumultuousness. among inmates. You know, I take a lot of pride, you know, while I was in general population, you know, I learned, you know, a lot of new language, fire, word of my mother, word on my soul cut. I learned dead ass. I thought guys had diarrhea or bowel syndrome and they're like dead ass. You know, I learned a whole other world that I had to quickly adopt to it. It really wasn't in my wheelhouse, but at times it was comical. You know, I definitely,

didn't play to the prison house rules, but those that make fun of me, I can say this, you know, meeting and talking with the hierarchy, you know, the shot call, the keyhole, you know, finding out who runs the place, you know, trying to coincide with their existence and, you know, mitigating, you know, some of the things. Like, I knew a lot of the guards liked it because I didn't like guys yelling. You know, I, you know, I was already frustrated mentally. I didn't want to hear yelling. you know, I don't know what the facility you at, but they called them, you know, gate guarding the minute lights went out. They'd get on their feeder port and start screaming and yelling.

You know, I didn't, you know, I, yeah, I could have been killed, beat up, whatever, but I made an effort to go. Like, I'd find out, look, and go up to that guy the next morning. Hey, man, like, it's lights out, bro. Like, I'm ready to go to sleep. Like, do you really need to, yeah, well, you know, I'm like, listen, do you, you know, bump, bump, bump, do you want your, you know? All right.

I'm like, yeah, have the conversation when, like, why? Why? You know what I mean? And, you know, some of the stories, you know, there was some dark people there, you know, senseless killers, you know, that were constantly being integrated into that community. I think they specifically housed me there because they aligned me with those types of folks. But, you know, from a criminality standpoint, I didn't behave that way.

I behaved under orders. I behaved under directives. And I behaved under preserving democracy and in the Constitution of United States of America. I take a lot of pride to that, you know, running around doing the dirty work that no one else wants to do. I'd love to see you step up and have that authenticity to do that. You know, there are people out there. I have a lot of respect for them. I was among them.

And it could be over. You know, if I'm convicted on felonies, you know, I'll never be behind a gun again, at least not here in the United States, but the moral of the story is, is this particular situation literally cost me everything, you know, the money that I invested in a billion this place was, yeah, you know, the new term is blood money. I mean, you know, if you qualified, you could have did what I did, maybe at not the elite level that I was doing it, but at some level, you know, overseas, they had people guarding food, petroleum, you know, materials, et cetera, all that money was invested, you know, nothing was owed at Slate Ridge. You know, the property was outright paid for,

all the infrastructure was outright paid for. The product of the investment was to make it so that you didn't have to pay a membership. You didn't have to pay a fee. You could come and embrace, no matter what budget you were on. Because, you know, maybe a guy, you know, just retired from the military or left law enforcement and, you know, was in between professions but needed to get behind a gun and get trained up, they couldn't come and, you know, pay. you know $1,000 a class. I mean, yeah, I'm proud of what I did. I embrace all the decisions I make other than the situation with the, with the

Constable Kavino. I'm hoping that people learn and grow from this. I had a big impact when I was in incarcerated. I know, you know, a CEO, female CEO reached out to me two days later on Facebook and she says, ever since you left, it's chaos here. People are yelling. People are back to running. And I'm just like, get on the last.

loudspeaker and say I'm coming back. I don't know. I feel impactful. That's not my ego. That's just the characteristics of who I was. I didn't do stereotypical prison things because I didn't know, you know, I didn't get a rulebook. Don't walk around and look in cells. I think people look to myself. I used to do that all the time when I first got there. Yeah. I was curious. Me too. But from the curiosity, I'd be like, why is this dude sleeping at 10? I'm like, yo, get up. You're like, who are you? I'm like, you know the humanitarian you get up come over here walk around like you know um a couple of times it almost backfired you know i had a dude get in my face one time and you know he was like some prominent hit man you know he he he was like the the second hand to this woman they would rob

and p whatever and something got out of hand he killed this guy and you know i don't want to say we came friends but you know i was like listen get up dude like this is the second day like how much can you sleep like you know and we get talking and you know he's like oh the medication like what medication like oh they're giving me all these pills I'm like well did you take them on the outside he goes no I go then stop taking them right this is just the government I'm sorry government but this is just the government trying to control them right they didn't want him to be a monster they didn't want him and you know after a couple days you got it out of his system he's like thank you Daniel I'm like it's not brain surgery like you didn't take these medicines before you came in here right

how did you feel why didn't sleep okay don't take these medicines anymore you know I'm sure they didn't like that type of stuff, that type of advocacy. But, you know, you're sitting in your cell, you know, more than you should. Like, wreck time come out. Like, you know what I mean? It's the only time for socialization. It's only, you know, to be a human, you know, I would always say I felt completely different after I took a shower and completely different. When I just, you know, I would say to my peers and they would always say at the prison, they're your peers.

I'm like, to figure of speech. You know, just people. I, you know, I wanted to talk. And that, like you said, that inquisitism, I would ask people, what'd you do? And they're like, yo, yo, yo, be? I'm like, there's a bee? Like, no, you. I'm like, oh, I'm B.

Don't talk about that. I'm like, well, I want to know. Like, what are we going to talk about? Like, I'm not asking you to confess your sins, but, you know, what are you here for? You know, no, man, that's frowned upon you. We don't talk about that here, you know? And I didn't want to be part of that. I didn't, you know, I talked to people about.

other crimes. I talk to people about behavioral stuff. I, you know, I wanted to learn. I wanted to conversate. I wanted to collaborate. I don't want to say I made friends, but I do stay in touch with several of those inmates there. I do put money on a couple guys' books. You know, I don't have a lot of money, but $25, $50 here and there. I do send money in for commissary. I do go visit people. I'm pretty lucky that the wardens of those institutions allow me because I'm not really supposed to. I don't know how it here is in Connecticut, but if you're allowed to go visit an inmate, you have to have preferential treatment.

It has to be a vetting process because you were among them. So I try to do what I can. I invite other people to be advocates, but incarceration was tough. I never thought I'd be there. And I never thought a system that I relied on, I defended for, you know,

I've taken bullets in my body for, I've been blown up for. I have felt the momentum of the system I really believed in, and it failed me. It 100% failed me. Non-educated people will see differently. They'll say, no, you'd, no. You know, yesterday the radio show,

the first thing they brought up on their page was the permit. Like, this is unrefuted. Fuck everything else. You know, they didn't say that. But they're like, every other narrative, other than this, it's not welcome because this is it. It's like if you said to me right now, Daniel, you have a legal driver with the driver's license.

I'd pull out my license and show it to you, and you'd make a very quick decision. The people that are not finding a rationale with that and not accepting that, are they going to be the next victims? Yeah. People always have something to say about anything, though. Oh, no. It's true or not.

You can have all the, I will have guests that have literally all their paperwork and there'll be people that accuse them of being a liar. Right, right. So you're always going to have those people. Yeah. I've always been that one, you know, my friends and family are like, stop communicating with the haters, stop, you know. But when I first had some opposition from the gun world,

I had found that a lot of them were like LGBTQ and plus and whatnot. And, you know, they'd be out at the end of my driveway chanting. And I would be like, listen, you know, don't make a mess. out here, right? Come over the side of the gate. The portlets are here, male and female, right? Put your trash in here. Then you can go back out. I'm like, don't shit or piss in the woods. Don't throw garbage. And you know, you can keep on chanting. And they're like, well, I'm like, listen, it's freedom of speech. I don't like what you're saying, but I support what you're saying. And I think that, I think they recognize like, okay, you know, maybe Daniel's not that bad.

And I'm like, I'm really not that bad. Like, I'm willing to agree to disagree with you. I'm willing to meet you in the middle of identifying what your problem is. I don't have a problem, right? I'm not up here doing something that is not correct. I'm doing something constitutionally applicable. You just don't like it. Am I going to make you perfectly comfortable with your advocacy and your movement?

No. But I'll somehow try to embrace you, you know, make it a little bit more. comfortable, make it a little bit, I probably shouldn't because they always stay longer. And, you know, instead of leaving to go to the bathroom, they had, you know, porta potty's there. But I really tried. I don't think I have failed. I know that people want to see the failure, even if I am convicted and incarcerated for a very long time, I will still continue my voice and my advocacy unless somehow they can shut me up

and muzzle me. I don't anticipate that happening, but what I do believe is, is that times are changing, and people are, for whatever reason, not as radical in the world that I'm living right now with this opposition, right, this opposition of the anti-gun, you know, you should have turned yourself in, you should do 25 to life, bring back to death penalty. Like, it's just, you see what I'm saying, it's comical, right? All for a zoning violator. And, you know, that zoning violator, when I think about the lineup,

murder or murder, arson, armed burglar, you know, homicide, zoning violator. Like, I look like the odd to douche over there, the lollipop upside down, because everybody is like, you know, it's comical that we got to this point. I'm grateful that the, I'm included, the criminal world, the criminal sect, the criminal character, they get a good laugh out of it. They say how surprised they are. They're like, you know, when I saw you on TV, like, whoa, man, you're coming here for, you know, a scuffle with a cop.

I just killed two people. You know what I mean? Like, why aren't you at a medium or rehab or house arrest? You're at the hardest place there is here. it all has value the value is coming to forerission of advocacy letting the general populace letting the audience know how crazy this story is and that craziness almost instantaneously allocates a fallacy like how could this be possible talking to your dad he was probably like what

but then he understood about the variance with someone it all comes to it all comes together when you look at the nucleus of this, right? And when you look at all of the components and what we need people to do is have like Pandora's box open up and say, wow, okay, I don't like Daniel Bonney. I don't like Slate Ridge, but I may go want to put a deck on one day. I may want to build an addition for my daughter or I may want to put up a shed in the back. And if the precedent is set that these folks can do this, what else are they capable of? You know, the conspiracy theorists have been on, you know, a lot of different podcasts and people have all... But in reality, is it really a conspiracy theorist?

Or what could Vermont do next? Sky is the limit. You know, the sky is the limit. If they are willing to financially, logistically, and strategically, take something such as the Constitution, you know, imagine if I was a loudmouthed, they would have stifled my first amendment. I just happened to like guns and love guns, so they stole my constitutional rights away from me of the Second Amendment. What could they do next? Absolutely. You know, well, Daniel, I appreciate you coming on the show today, man. Yeah, and I appreciate,

I appreciate having me and, you know, you're a great, man. You're a great guest. Yeah, thank you. I look forward to, you know, talking to you again sometime in the future. I appreciate your audience listening, you know, your staff that's working so hard, this beautiful studio, I'm blessed. I'm truly blessed and thank you very much. Yeah, and I hope everything works out for you and we'll definitely have to hear about the outcome once everything's resolved. Yeah, I'm hoping this year, if not next year, but, you know, eventually it will have to come to trial or some type of plea bargaining and whatever that is, it's in God's hands now. You know, I'm just, I'm just, I want to be the voice of change or I want to be the voice of neutrality. You know,

maybe Vermont won't change this, but maybe some other people can pick up where I leave off or strengthen the crusade to say, listen, this is madness, right? This is morally, ethically, constitutionally incorrect.