Locked In with Ian Bick - I Went to an Ivy League School — Made $60K a Week Selling Weed — Then Got 5 Years in Federal Prison | Kai "Verse" Tyler

Episode Date: July 19, 2026

Kai "Verse" Tyler had every advantage — a great upbringing in New Jersey a successful mother who pushed him to do better an Ivy League education and a promising career in the music business. But despite all of that he was a hustler. What started as selling weed as a teenager scaled into the big leagues — flying pounds across the country working with major connects and generating $60,000 a week in profit at his prime. He made millions in the weed game while simultaneously building a strong reputation as a music executive. Then someone in his crew set him up and the feds caught up with everything — resulting in a 5 year federal sentence. _____________________________________________ #college #prison #truecrimestories _____________________________________________ Connect with Kai "Verse" Tyler: https://www.instagram.com/clothtalkverse/?hl=en _____________________________________________ Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ _____________________________________________ Timestamps: 00:00 Intro & Guest Background 03:33 Upbringing & Early Influences 09:07 Private School, College, and Family Lessons 15:28 Early Hustles & Legal Troubles 21:48 Music Industry Ambitions & Double Life 26:39 Scaling Up: From Small Time to Big Weight 34:52 Making Major Connections & Going Nationwide 43:22 The Downfall: Setups, Betrayal, and the Bust 54:34 Getting Caught, Legal Maneuvers & Sentencing 01:00:12 Federal Time: Prison Strategy & Survival 01:13:40 Lessons, Regrets, and Reentry 01:22:38 Life After Prison & Staying Out of Trouble 01:34:08 Detailed Prison Stories & Takeaways 01:52:33 Final Reflections & Closing Thoughts _____________________________________________ To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://advertising.libsyn.com/LockedInWithIanBicka Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Raffle number 155-214. Please play responsibly. My guest today is Kai versus Tyler, a man who had every advantage growing up in New Jersey with a successful mother and stepfather who pushed him towards excellence. He went to an Ivy League school, and he was building a legitimate career in the music business, but alongside all that, he was hustling, and what started as selling weed as a teenager scaled into something much bigger. By his prime, he was making $60,000 a week profit, flying pounds of weed all over the country, working with major connects and generating millions, while building a serious reputation in the music industry. Then someone in his crew set him up,

he got busted and walked away with a five-year sentence. I grew up in Jersey. I grew up in Essex County in New Jersey, in the Orange, the South Orange, Maplewood, particularly, but, you know, I started in Newark, the Brick City. What was your upbringing like? I ain't going to hold you. I grew up in the upper-middle-class family, you know what I'm saying?

My mom's in the medical world, and, you know, we did really, she did really good for herself. We moved up to the suburbs, and I ain't ever, want for nothing. You know what I mean? I had all the toys, the latest sneakers, everything. Same thing. I told the judge, listen, man, my mama wasn't on crack. You know, I didn't starve for meals. I really have no excuse. I was fucking greedy. That's it. Let's cut to the chase. But my upbringing was really good. Play sports. I went to private school, St. Benedict's. And then when I went to college, I graduated from Columbia in South Orange, New Jersey. And then when I went on to Cornell

from the Ivy League. And then after that, I went to school for music. Was your dad in the picture? No. My dad died when I was three. And my stepfather came around when I was. six. So I had a father figure who kind of taught me about the broads and don't do this and don't be no punk. My mom's was big on don't be no punk because even when he wasn't, when it wasn't no man in the house and I got into a scuffle outside, she was like, what is, what are you doing? He hit you. Did you hit him back? Go back outside. Go back outside. Hit him back. We ain't going to do that. So mama wasn't trying to raise no punk. And then he came around. He kind of solidified it as the

years went on. So yeah, he's still around still to this day. Was she the driving factor for going to school and getting a good education. Yeah, yeah, because she laid, she laid the example down, because I'm seeing my moms and be successful and understand what success look like, and especially for African-American woman coming up and raising a young man, you know what I mean, in a space and watching her sacrifice certain things, whether it was long hours or whether it was just like, hey, I've got to cook every night, make sure you got every night, we're going to the outlets, we're going shopping, whatever it is, I want to make sure you straight. And I always, Like, and she's still living, of course, in continuum, I always thank her, whether it's a new Mercedes or whatever it is.

Like, she, mama going to get it all. So it's all good. Did you want that life for yourself or was it pushed upon you? As far as. Going to the good schools, a place like Cornell, it could be a lot. Yeah, knowing the difference, I knew that, you know, growing up, I grew up in a melting pot, right? Like, you know, when I grew up in South Orange, Maplewood, it was Arab, it was white. It was, you know, Asian, you know.

And we had, of course, we mixed in with some black. But the majority of the town, South Orange and Maplewood, was predominantly white, you know, at the time when I was growing up. And, you know, I was like, okay, this is what the finer things look like. Okay, that's a country club over there. Or they play golf over there. How much it costs to go there? $100,000 a year? Oh, I like that.

Oh, he driving Mercedes. And that's a Mercedes, too. Oh, my mom got a Mercedes. Okay, so is this the standard? Right? You know, when I'm growing up and I'm learning and living in a standard, you know, knowing that you're supposed to eat every night. You're supposed to have new sneakers on your feet. You're supposed to have a nice house to live.

You're supposed to have a nice income. Like, this is where I was already, like, in a bar. You know what I mean? It's set in the bar. So, yeah, that was inspiring for me to grow up and be able to see that when I look back now. Like, I already had it really good in comparison to a lot of people like, say, for example, I grew up in South Orange and then I would have friends that grew up in Newark. And even though we lived in Newark at one point, we still lived in the mayor's old house,

you know what I mean, or whatever, we still lived good, you know what I mean, in Newark. And then we came up to Hill, but those people that were living in Norc and Orange and East Orange, that might have had a lot less, you know, hence when I had a friend, my mom, used to tell me, you don't hang out with a motherfucker that got less to you. I'm like, what you mean? You're being discriminatory. I was like, everybody had my mom. I don't give a fuck about that.

They don't got what you got. Don't hang with them. Hang what if somebody's got more than you? I said, well, if somebody's got more to them, they're going to hang with, don't hate with somebody that got less to them. That's me. That's got less to them. Well, how does that work?

You said, you get my point, though. You know what I'm saying? And when I got our point, even more, was when I had a friend of mine named Roger, You live next door to me on Stockman Place. If you're out there, my boy, you definitely turn around and you stole my ring. I was a little man at the time. I ain't know no better. I was like 10, 11 years old.

My mom's got me a name ring, said, Kai on it. I had it on top of my fucking dresser. I had this bozo over my fucking neighbor. He was the next door fucking neighbor. I had this guy with my house and he, my ring went missing. To the point of my mom's, he went over to the house. Like, yo, my son ring misses. So we got into a big debacle over that, never seen the ring again.

But that's the reason that my mom said, see what I'm saying? You're fucking with people like that. You're always going to lose. be mindful. And ever since then, I've been mindful. How would your best friend have described you in high school? Funny. Talk a lot. Never, never, never, nothing too serious. But, you know, but fearless, too.

Because, you know, I would go do things and say things that other people may not feel the proper place and time to say things like nowadays, they say read the room. But when I was a kid, I was like, well, why is that? You know what I mean? And they would probably describe me as outgoing, personable. Definitely going to say what I feel. and ain't taking no shit, you know. And I would be like the friend

that maybe defend that friend, you know, so somebody start messing with them. I was like a protector, like, nah, you're not gonna do that. He's not about that, you're not gonna do that. You know what I mean? Just like I had a friend of mine. When I was 13, 14, shout out my brother, Omar Washington. I was 13, 14, and, you know, it was a kid from Brooklyn.

We go on the school in the suburbs. A kid from Brooklyn named AJ, I never forget. And he was this tough, like, person. I'm walking around with the one leg up on his windbreak because I'm from Brooklyn. He had the gap in his mouth, and he just peas he head. And I'm like, you know, he just always like,

bump me in the hallway. And I was like, damn, I don't, I ain't like confrontation. I was like, night at this time, I'm like 91, 92, 93. Now, we're a fight. But it was like, damn, he can't mess with me. So when I seen in the middle of the hallway, my bro seen that, he was like, oh, no, we're not going to do that. When he's seen him do that, he walked right up to him

and put his whole hand in his face and mush them. And a dude ain't do nothing. I said, oh, that's what it is? Oh, he really pussy. You know what I'm saying? Like that. And that's what I really start coming across the table. We're like, you know what, we're not going to play with nobody.

I've never let nobody play with me because I don't care what their outside persona is. When you push them to that limit, they ask fold like a lawn chair. And that's what been happening in my whole life. So I always heard of saying years ago to look, man, you never know how much heat somebody can take to you. You put them hot, them tea bags in that hot water. Do you think your mom over sheltered you? Yes and no, because it was times when I went to jail for bullshit. Like, you know, I got locked up for punching a security guard with Barry Commons when I was like 15, 16 years old.

We went up to shop at the outlet, and we all bought new Timberlands, and I put my timbulins on, took my Gortex off, put him in the box, and stacked them on top of the other box that my guy was holding the weight in this line. They had 100 people in it. I'm standing out front, smoking a beady, right in the front. It was one of those stores that had no doors on it, you know, just stepped right out in the front over the threshold. I don't know if he thought I was trying to steal, whatever.

He grabbed my arm. He was like, you want to come back at the store. I was like, a just natural reaction. I just swung off on him. Boom. He fell back over the shoes. Police came and locked me up, and I sat in Woodbury Commons, and went to Orange County fucking jail.

And then when I went to jail, my mom's like, called my mom's, and the police hung up on my mother. You know what I mean? On some disrespectful shit, I was like, what the fuck? This is how they doing it? So when my mom's told me, when she came and got me the next day, my pops and my stepfather was like, yeah, nah, leave him in there because he need to learn.

And that, because you overshed. You're spoiling them, you're buying him a car. You're doing all type of shit. Like, no, you're raising a sucker. Like, in the way, we got to get him tough. You know what I mean? Like in that space. So, yeah, the oversheltering.

kind of became a non-factor once he stepped in to be like, nah, we're not going to be doing this extra shit for him because he's going to be feeling like he's over-entitled and spoiled and things of that nature. But my mom's 85% of the time didn't listen to him and still kept doing what she was doing, but luckily it balanced out. Well, most parents wouldn't have left their kids overnight at that age either.

At all. My mom's like, oh, see, the only reason it was overnight because it took them eight hours to get up there because they got fucking lost. There was no navigation and all that shit back then. That shit was all way damn near in the Catskills. You know? So I applaud my mother.

for pushing all the way out there in the middle of the night. And they came and got me. It was like five in the morning. And I got locked up like 7.30 in the evening that night. Wow. That's crazy. So why do you think that didn't deter you at all later on in life? Because it was too easy.

It was too easy for me to get in and out. And as the years went on, I thought, I ain't up but a little bit of trouble. I got a couple of out. My mother got some money. I'm learning that lawyer going to get you out. And my lawyer, Elma Herman. Elmer J. Herman. He was an amazing dude.

I don't even know if he's still living right now. But back then, he was like, fucking 60 years old. So he's still living now. He's probably 100. Right? But he was always, I had cases, stolen car shit. I was hanging with the wrong crew, assault charges. I beat this kid up down and knock outside the black box.

You know, we still in high school at the time. And my man went upside his head with a club. They charged all of us. You know what I'm saying? With the shit, my lawyer came in there. Got, got, got wiggled me out of that. No felonies. Not.

I didn't have a felony until I went to federal prison. And that was, and I can't blame nobody for that, but me. Because I can go to federal prison until I was 31 years old. You know? I had my shit. trouble and all that going on the Rikers Island and shit. Like, yeah, I remember I got locked up

in New York and I went on an island, you know, and I had Watts Scarface. Real shit. And I was like, oh, okay, this is where we get ready to go. Put you on that bus. You got your regular clothes on. You know what I mean?

I'm talking about the clothes from the street. You got jewelry and shit like that. You want to have it all. Take it off and put it in your pocket. Because soon as you come through that motherfucker and you fool, oh, you got the George on? Oh, you got, I'm looking at these motherfuckers like, oh, shit.

We got regular clothes on. These motherfuckers are wearing regular clothes. on the island, and they're going to muscle you down for your shit and take it. Just like they used to doing the tunnel back in the day. In New York and tunnel nightclub? Oh, man, you couldn't even go in that motherfucker unless you were strong. You had to be with the guys

if you wasn't one yourself. Why'd they allow that to have your clothes on and jewelry? It feels like it caused problems. For the budget. No, I mean, really, you know, I realize we're dealing with New York State. The motherfucker's going to shave a coin any way they care. Fuck that. He locked up in the minx, sent him up the rink with his mink going. If he gets a bail, he'll get a bail.

If he don't, he don't. It's crazy. If he dies, he dies. How old were you when you went to Rikers? Was that for your case later on or in your- No, that was early. That was like 20. How old was I?

Shit, man, I might have been 21, 22. Because I had got locked up. I had a warrant in Long Island when I was in college because we got caught with some weed on the Long Island Expressway and I never get the court date. You know what I mean? And whatever here I am, a year and a half later. I'm in Manhattan and I get pulled over.

And these motherfuckers book me and they say, they're gonna come get me. So all two or three days, they put you on the buses and send you up to the island. But I was only an island for like five, six days. So what do you think it was? You know, you're a kid that's going to Cornell, great family. Sure.

You know, they don't normally end up on Rikers Island. At all. At all, I think what happened was, in most cases, you only know what you've shown, right? And I'll say that because, but I was showing greatness. I was shown, you know, how to be accountable. I was shown, you know, what good living was like, right? But here I am on the other side, doing the most, ending up. And the same thing the judge said to me, you got, oh, this great upbringing.

What are you doing? But mind you, these were my youngest. These were at my younger years. Like when I say younger, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21. So by the time I got grown, grown, like I'm grown, grown, growing at 2021. I'm buying Porsches and doing my number. I'm not trying to get no petty-ass trouble.

So I have no trouble all the way up until I went to the feds in 30, 31, 32 years old. So it was like that. So it wasn't like recurring, you break into a motherfucker house type shit or armed robbery. Like, I wasn't, that's broke motherfuckered games. I weren't playing the games. So how were you in school? School was good. Like, as far as scholastically, I really added.

to teachers that I really liked. And that's why I'm big on education, even now to this day, because, like, most teachers, they inform. They give information, and that goes in one there and not the other. But when you give that same information with a certain substance, it becomes real education and it becomes applicable for you to receive it the right way. So that's why you like certain teachers, like, oh, Ms. Mack was one of my favorite teachers. I love going to her class because she was funny.

She was energetic. She was engaging, shit like that. Even classes that I didn't necessarily, you know, favor, right? I probably pulled a B, B minus some shit, and I was doing it kind of like halfway paying attention, you know, if it came to that. So in school, yeah, that, and then I'm in the hallways, being late, getting late past and playing with the girls and all of that, you know, like that's, I was about that. Like, some people would call me popular in high school, but I don't look back at that shit like that, but I was at a car when I was 16 in high

school. So, yeah, I was doing my numbers, but everybody had a car. Went to Columbia High School, you know, Lauren Hill went there, Queen Latifah, Cesar, Rotatea. All the people who went to school there, you know, we had a couple dollars. So, you know, our parents was buying us, Jettas and Pissots and Acura Legends and giving us their old 300 E Mercedes and maximus and all that kids. It was right? It was 16 years old. Everybody driving. We had a student parking lot, you know?

100 students had cars. Rotimi is a guy from power, right? Correct. He played Andre and played Drehan Power. So shout-out Roetimi, too. He's a super dope artist but also an actor. And you were in school with him? No, not with him.

But he went to my school after a fourth later. He's much younger, for sure. Lauren Hill was there before me. Melissa and Andrew Shue was there as well, adventures and babysitting and Merrill's place, so they went to Columbia as well, too. I mean, the list goes on. Lauren Hell went to the feds, too.

She was in Danbury. Facts. You know what? We don't even be thinking about that shit. El Bogie did go to the feds. That's crazy. Yeah, I come up with Lauren Hill. She's from Salvadoran.

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Yeah. Crazy. How are you at Cornell? Were your grades good then? Yeah, because I stayed a year, right? I stayed a year and then realized, like, I was at the Ithaca campus. You know what I mean? And I was like, man, number one is freezing up here.

That's one. Fuck, it's cold as fuck. I hate winners as it is. You know what I mean? Or whatever you know, being from Jersey. But it was like a space where I was like, man, I really got to find some people to click with. Like, this is, do I really want to work on the finance market?

Like, do I want to be in that space? Do I want to be that guy? You know, with a degree in economics and going to work for Goldman Sachs or at the time, Lehman Brothers when it was, you know what I mean? And I was like, I don't think so because music was a passion of mine because, you know, my cousin Misa had a baby by puff. And, you know, I was around, you know, cooling the gang, you know, guys, my guys, my godmother Sikina, God bless the dead.

Like, I was around the music business and I was an artist too. So I was like, man, this is really what I want to do. I don't want to do this. You know what I mean? So I asked my people for their blessing. Like, yo, man, I found a school in Long Island, man. I heard it on the radio. I want to go.

My mom was like, what? The fuck are you talking about? Like, my, I got to go to this school, man, for music, man. I want to be, you know, I produce. I'm engineering. I'm rapping. Like, I want to go to school and do some shit that I want to do. And she gave me a blessing.

I left the following semester and I went to Five Towns College in Long Island and study audio theory and business administration as well too. And within that, it was music business class and things of that nature. But I stayed there for almost two years, and I left there to take a job with Motown. Because I was like, oh, this is what I want to do. I want to wait another two years. I want to go right now. So I didn't finish it because I ended up going to do what my passion was.

You know what I mean? I started there with promotion. And then after that, I ended up going on the road with my brother, Bernard Alexander. You know, he had a group called Mindless Behavior, you know, a kid group back in the day. You know what I mean? Or they ended up going on tour with them and artists developing them and they went to sell millions of records

and went on a world tour with Justin Bieber. So, you know, I learned, I got my bones down with that. And then I had a record deal back in the day, too. Shout out Jojo Brim and Kev Lous and Lea gave me a deal back, Def Jam, and I was a rapper, you know what I mean? But then I was in the street then.

At that time, right? Mind you, I'm 19, 20, 21, I left from school. Yeah, like 21, I was going to get me a deal. You know what I mean or whatever? And I rap for Kev Lous and Jojo Brim in the conference room and I was doing my thing. I had my man see gutter with me from Brooklyn.

Great energy. This me and him had butterflies, but it was cool because I had been around the music business forever, and it was like, this is my shot. So when I got my shot, I was in the street, though, too. Mind you, watch this. I still was hustling. You know, whatever it was,

I was in the space going to school and I still have my computer whiz kid that was hacking and doing all of that. We was getting paper, and I'm ordering cars out the, you know what I'm doing, I'm doing everything. I'm like, yo, look, I made it already.

That's how I was feeling, you know what I mean, in that wave and not for nothing man like when I was up there it was like all right shit getting hot I got I got to get low for a little while so that means no more record deal no more showing up in videos none of that let me just get low because shit is warm around me people go in the jail so I mean they're people knocking on doors and all that they don't know nobody named but they I know what they're looking for I'm cool I got out the way thank God I got out the way now watch this I'm gonna show you how this work this shit is crazy mind you so I went to the A

bounced around California a couple places, a couple years years later I'm getting money I'm making a substantial amount of money I got the weed I got the private jets some shit is rolling

so when the feds came and got me and took me to the U.S. Marshall Building mind you I'm not going to say too too much even though the statute of limitations is way gone but the point that I'm making this picture this when I got low the first time you know

it was a guy that it was in a mix of that that ended up getting shot by the customs agents because he tried to flee, you know what I mean, from whatever he was in, right? I wasn't around. And this same guy that got shot, when I get locked up by the feds and they send me to the U.S. Marshall Building,

I'm in a holding cell. This motherfucker was like, yo, man, it's your name, Kate? You're from Jersey, right? I'm always in the South. I'm in Atlanta. I said, yeah, what about it? Now, mind you, I'm pissed.

You know, feds that took my cars and all that shit like that. I'm in my mind right now. now, so I'm super tough. You know what I mean? And I'm mad as a motherfucker. So my attitude I'm giving him was like standoffish. He's like, man, there ain't no problem.

I have this thing. I know you. Like, know me from where? Like that he's like, man, you don't remember me? It's my mom, man. You don't remember me? Mom. I was like, you don't ring no bell.

He's like, man, you don't remember I bought such and such from your man, from this car and that car. And I was like, okay. I don't remember, man. Then I said, then it came to me. I said, oh, shit. I said, yeah, I tried to call you, bro. I did.

I tried to call you. I don't know the feds had the next tails jammed or whatever, but I tried to call you say, hey, abort mission. I couldn't get you. You know what I'm saying? So unfortunately, that had happened to you, you know what I mean? Then when I went in to go do my fingerprints, the agent was like, yo, who was that you in there talking to?

You know him? Y'all know each other? I said, nah, I don't know. I mean, no, bitch I used to fuck with. Whatever. Keep it going. I was like, my God, I ain't trying to open up that can of words. You understand what I'm saying?

But that's how I was letting you know, like, how I felt like God saved me even back then and gave me an opportunity to change things up. And I did, but I only changed them up 60%. Right? That's what got me in federal prison and got me in that U.S. Marshal hole in a cell anyway because I'm still dealing with the other 40. In other words, right? It's like, all right, I gave you opportunity. I gave you a pass last time and I'm going to help you revisit why I gave you a pass

when you don't get this pass. So I didn't get a pass. I get locked up. I go in a hold cell and here go God waving his hand. Hey, man, don't I know you? Ain't your name such and such? I said, like a blast from the past. I'm like, what?

This shit is like 15 years ago. What are you talking about? But yeah, it's just different, bro. Facts. So tell us about that transition from, you know, your 20s into actually getting into the drug trade. Man, I was selling weed since I was a check. Since I was, I went to jail for weed.

So I was selling weed since I was 13, 14. My cousin who came with me, he put me in the game. No bullshit, listen, he was an accountant for Buster Rimes and all of them. You know what I mean? Or whatever, he coming to the suburbs, dropping me off half pounds away. I'm selling to all the white kids and Asian kids.

I ain't even use a scale back then. I had a beeper, and you just put the number of how much you want in there. That's how we was hustling in the suburbs, right? I ain't had no scale or nothing. I'm giving them a little or nothing for $80, $200, right? I'm young, though. I'm 14, 15. I didn't have to hustle then, but I wanted the money.

I'm like, man, I got to have me just some more money. But as the years went on, my hustle got bigger. It went from, you know, selling, you know, hundreds of pounds of mid. They're moving up to moving thousands of pounds of the strong. You know, and I had a plug. You know, this is all it was. I suffered from, like I told a judge, man, I suffer from my IGS. He's like, what is that?

It's like, instant gratification syndrome. I got to have it now. You know what I mean? So it was like, well, I'm making $50,000, $60,000 a week. Net profit off the weed. Every week, I can't really, I can't, it's hard to shake that. I got 1,500 pounds coming in from the Hells Angels. Every, every fucking month.

I got my number on it. Like, we all had certain numbers across the region, and my number was 7.5. So if you got a bag out there anywhere that says seven and a half and ain't nobody rewrap it, it was my pack. Blue Dream, Master Cush, P.K., which is the pure Cush. It was all labeled. Hockey bags full of this shit. I had me a Cessna plane, which we call the, we call it a crop duster because I wouldn't fly on that motherfucker. That shit just for the pilot in them bags and low altitude.

You understand me? And when we stepped it up, we got a hawker plane. That's what we was able to hold all the work and, you know, and a lot of comfort too. Because the work get dropped off and on the way back, the cash got to get picked up. So how do you even make those connects? It's funny, right? So back in like 2004, right? I owned a glass company.

I took some of my earnings and I bought like a window tent in the glass company in the building that it sat in because they needed money. I was flushed with cash. So I thought, you need a new waiting room, you need this, you need that. He was like, yeah, man, I think if you want to come into the business,

I eventually came into the business and I bought the whole business. But during that time, we had somebody come in a customer. Now, mind you, I had already been dealing with suppliers across the city that were like mid-level. When I say mid-level, they might have, you know, when I was in a brick game, they might have five bricks for me or ten bricks for me at a time, 15, never 50. You know what I mean? When I got into the weed game, if it wasn't mid and it was super strong, they might have had 30, 40 pounds for me.

Not major, right? Now, I'm moving into a major space now when I'm telling you this story because the guy who had came, his name was Jason Barber. I'm sure he's still out there somewhere. I haven't talked to him since he came home, but Jason Barber, he was from Manhattan. beach, California. All this is in the past. We all did our time, whatever the case maybe I started to talk about it.

He was in the glass company. He came to get his windows turning for a little girl, a little chick he was fucking with in Atlanta. I come to find this out anyway. And the guy I had working for me as the manager, he came to the office. I'm in the office and I'm watching everything on the camera, whatever's a normal day at the tent shop.

I'm in the back shooting shit. I don't take glass. I don't install shit. I just got my money in here. And I'm in the back like Tony. You want some soprano shit. You know, I just come through to get me a chill, hang out with the guys.

and y'all go to work and I look at the books and everything's correct and I leave. I might be there two hours maybe. You know what I mean? Three days a week type of shit. Anyway, he comes to the back.

He's a man. You know what I'm saying? He's a country boy. No what I'm saying? Shit. I asked him man if he wants some weed. I was like, why you're asking a stranger if he won't weed?

And it takes up because he just seemed mad cool or whatever like that. And you know what he said to me? He's like, man, shit. You might be selling me my weed. And I'm like, what you mean? That's what you mean? He's like, because, man,

I got all the bud. like that type of shit. So I was like, man, I told him bring. I said, well, shit, I told him bring me a pound. This is how I started. You tell you how I started. He brought him a pound. He gave him the car, windows tinted.

He went home wherever he went and came back and brought the pound of weed down there. He brought it to the back. I said, oh, what do you want for this? He's like, man, shit, he only Hulk only won $3,500. I was like, $3,500? That's it right now? Let me just cash him out real quick. Let's see if I can start something.

I thought, you want to meet him? No, no, I don't want to meet him. I don't want to get him. He might be the police. I don't want to meet them. You can keep talking to him, though. Give them $3,500. The man comes and sends somebody back with five of them. I said, man, who is, who is that kid right there in Accure Integrity? Man, the guy, Hawk sent him over here, man. The young Chinese kid came, dropped off five. Hawke said he only won $2,500 for these apiece. I was like, what? Oh, man, we're about to

run through these shifts right here. Hold up. Grand, I just cashed him out on them real quick because I was selling them for $4,500. This is in 2005. Nobody had worked like that in Atlanta, and they're not in abundance, right? As far as weed is concerned, like high-grade marijuana. So at that point, he started hitting my man off with 20. Well, I can say his name because he passed away some years ago. He started hitting Tony off with like 20 pounds. And I was like, man, you don't really know what to do with this plug right here.

Yeah, it's time for me to meet him. Let me meet him. And when I met him, we hit it off instantly. Like, he's seeing how smart I was, I guess. And was like, man, he usually didn't fuck with blacks. I could tell, like, he was taking a chance. Because everybody that I ever met in that early amount of time was always Asian, Cambodian, things of that nature.

So I had a big thing happen where I got a break. Basically, they kicked in his door on the West Coast. He came out of Atlanta to, he came to Atlanta to flee. You know what I mean? Or whatever, his wife played on Young and the Restless, right? And he came to Atlanta because so she was like a public figure. But they came, kicked over the door, took his Harley, took his porch, took this,

took that, so he's nervous as fuck. He's on the East Coast now in Atlanta. I put him up. You know, I had a house way up in the mountains and shit. I put him up, showed him. I was trustworthy. Man, I'm not trying to rob you. I ain't trying to get over here.

half a million in the bag and was like, bro, I got my plane still coming in. I need you to work with me, like, for real. Cool. Cambodian dude ended up having something happen at his house about 30 miles outside the city. Somebody came to rob him. He had 100 pounds in the garage. He had a shootout with them. So now I'm the trusted guy in Georgia.

So I moved into that position. And when I tell you, that ran off about seven, eight, nine years from that point on, that's where it took off. So I started going in with them with planes and, you know, the logistics of having and cash houses, stash houses. I had all the logistics in my head, and I started bringing trusted individuals in to work, and I had like 17 customers nationwide.

We had Ohio, St. Louis, Detroit, Jersey, Atlanta, Cincinnati. Like the lion, we would be on the PGP encrypted Blackberry. We would say, the lion. The lion means Detroit. We would say, yo, ma'am, we land in and Coco's or whatever. He got some paperwork and co-goes to pick up. Cocos is Cincinnati. You know what I mean?

We had our just different code. We'd go into the garden. That's Jersey. You know what I mean? So we had a nice situation set up where we weren't worrying about the phones because all of all of the phones we had were the servers were in Costa Rica. So you couldn't get a Title III wire tap. That's the reason that they never never tap the churps. They were able to tap.

But we weren't really saying anything on that. But they did catch me one time on the chirps saying I counted 237 plus five. I thought that was harmless. Why? Because I'm not mentioning shit. I say weed, pills, money, cars, nothing. I just said 237 plus five. They used that in court to say.

that I was talking about marijuana and a pound factor. And, man, when I tell you that, we really, we were on a run. Like, we were just on a smooth run to the point where, like, the feds put a tracker on a plane in Indiana. The pilot had to go to the lion. He was going to Detroit real quick to go drop off some pounds, I mean, drop off some pounds, pick up some paperwork. That was a lot.

They put the tracker on the plane. And they say, in the discovery, the tracker malfunction. So they was on the runway, I mean, out there on the airfield trying to change the track around. And then I had an old man. Shout out Mike Murphy. I had an old man. I hope he's still living.

He might be about 80 now, but he had already caught a charge like having him getting caught with 150 pounds years ago and had a pilot's license, right? He got caught this time. He didn't do no telling. He stood sturdy, him and his wife, Pam.

I fuck with both for them. Shout out to them. Took real good care of them. They came in Mike House, found 350, 375, and some shit on the on the counter. It came and locked him up. But the point that I'm making is that

it was the old guy, two old guys, 70 years old. When you see them with all these hockey bags outside of this caravan, you're not going to look at Papa, to say he got drugs in that bag. So that's why it was ideal for me to use them.

My man had a nice setup with that. He was from Redondo Beach, Manhattan Beach, my plug. And, man, we was really doing the numbers when it came down to it, but that was the whole point, like transitioning over to a narco-traffica. Like, the feds called me. Like, man, you're a major narco-travica, man.

Like, we know, you can't sell marijuana and Georgia nowhere for that. It's legal in California, but not federally. When they crashed in my doors, it was crazy. I mean, we'll get to that, but it crashed in my doors, it was crazy. That's why I was like, man, I even said to myself, I was so hung up like, man, they ain't coming for no weed

because I used to sell some, I used to sell bricks. And I was like, yo, this ain't no money. And that's the one time I had to bring the plug like a million dollars. And my cut was like 80 grand. And I was like, I'm not doing this. It's just a life sentence right here. And I'm only making $80,000.

I said, I'm not fucking with this no more. And the game was dirty because I found the brick game was dirty. And I got out of it really quick because my buddy, who I was giving him to, he was my bro. And the guy I'm getting them from, he was my man, right? They didn't know each other. Right? Now, watch how this work.

I'm giving my man over here the joints. I go pick up the money one day. Everything good. He needs some more joints. I go bring him some more joints. Now the money ready in four days, I come to his loft to pick up the bread. I got buddy in the living room now.

Yo, how y'all know each other? How do you get here? Oh, now I'm not fucking with this. I don't know what it is. I don't know how y'all met each other. How you got his number? I'm getting work from you. I'm bringing it to him.

But then now you're in the living room now. I got to get out of this. And I'm not making enough money for this. So that's why I transition. fully to the weed when I was dealing with the street shit. So the bricks was what, Coke? Coke, yeah. Oh, okay.

So Coke didn't pay more than weed? Hell no. Because you might be, you might back, back in that time, you might have been picking up a brick for $18,000, selling it for $20,500. You're making $2,500 off a key of cocaine. That ain't enough. Not to be in a space. Sometimes you would make $500, you know, off a brick.

Like you might be paying $21 for it, sell it for $21, $2,000, because the guy's getting 20 of them. So it's a volume. But even if he can get $20 and $500, you, you know, You know that you're making times 20 bricks. Okay, 10,000, so what, that ain't shit? I'm turning around making $2,500 off a pound of weed. Why was a wholesale price so cheap back then for Coke?

Because it was like, not every, well, a lot of people had more access to it at the time. So, you know, when it's saturation, it brings the value down. And I tell people all of that, even in the line of work now, too much access, you know, takes your value down. Like, even for you, for example, they used to seeing you online. Now, imagine if they was able to get you on all of their podcasts, right? it would bring your value down and we wouldn't have motherfuckers rushing over here to come see you because you're already on the podcast circuit.

You understand what I'm saying? That's what I tell people, like, we look for guests that aren't doing a million podcasts. And also, a lot of people want me on their show thinking I'm going to be their, like, big break. But I'm not because I've told my story a hundred times, you know? No doubt. To see that again.

You want to see that again, right? The best stories are the ones where they haven't hit every podcast where it's been like a year or two. Well, this is funny part about it with this, like, I'm known in a record business, right? and, you know, I have a name in the record business when you Google me. It's like, yo, Kai Tyler,

Kyverse Tyler, music, president's 1501, Meg the Stahlia, former president, Sony Music Publishing, all of this. I, uh, I. Yes, but then this is my other side. So a lot of people who haven't gotten this story when I post different pitches about when I was in prison and different things like that,

they'd be fucked up like, like, whoa, a thousand likes. Man, I didn't know you, you were a real one. And I'm like, okay, I just did what I was supposed to do. I ain't know I was supposed to get a cookie for not telling. You know what I mean? That's just what you're not supposed to do.

I never was a title teller type of guy even when I was three years old. Oh, teacher, teacher. He did this. Those people who did that, they are now police officers. They are now U.S. attorneys. Like, I got a friend of mine that's a U.S. attorney, and he was on that type of time years ago. Always, oh, teacher. When he became a U.S. attorney, I was, oh, yeah.

I mean, he's been to police since free lunch. You know what I mean? So, you know, it is what it is. People adapt to what they're comfortable with. Now, was a music business all afront for you in your 20s? No, actually, I was really getting to it. I was working on a training day soundtrack. We was getting paid off of that.

My honest behavior, we got paid off of that. We did some deals with Soldier Boyside, Brandon deals. We got paid for that. I was getting paid from the record business. As a matter of fact, when I did catch my federal case at $700,000 in my personal bank account, that they froze. And I was like, yo, that's not drug money. That's royalties. I'm a sound coordinator for 2K games, NBA 2K.

I'm making money. You know what I mean? That's not drug money. Y'all can't take that. And you know what? They taxed me for it again. Left me with $3.91. I was in prison for two and a half years before.

I even got that money released to me, and my lawyer came up there to make me sign that fucking paperwork. I got to go to R&D special visit. My lawyer, hey, look, you know the vibes already. Hey, look, they're taking this right here. What you mean? Bro, that's not no drug money. I know, bro, I just paid

$35,000 for a forensic accountant to keep all my money. What the fuck do you mean? Double taxed. It's paid already. Yeah, but they want to let it just be even and they want to leave you with this number here. I said, no, I'm not doing that. He came to the prison the second day. He was like, bro, what you want to do? Because they can not give you nothing. And they make a

struggle for real. This is a favor I'm getting here. All right, whatever. I sign it, but you can't take no cut. I already paid you 200 grand for the case. Don't worry about it. The Rolex that you gave me when you first came to see me, you know, let's just call that token. I didn't ever give it back to you. Cool, keep it. It was worth 18,000. It was a tri-color joint. No problem. Whatever. That's your fee. Because I already paid you 200,000 and I'm in prison. I didn't know how it work. When I was coming up, I learned federal cases, federal law, but I also know what the conviction rate, quote-unquote, it's not so much a conviction rate. It's not so much a conviction rate, it's a rat rate. You know, it's an informant rate. It's a corroboration rate. Yeah, the people,

they play a ball. They don't know any more than the normal police. The normal police know more than the federal police, but the normal police don't have the informants like the federal police ask because the federal police got leverage. Yo, you're getting 800 months. You know, how much time is that? Oh, mandatory minimums. Oh, my God. The crack law and all this different shit. You're like, man, fuck it. Man, it's a, uh, his name Jose. Man, I can just tell you, man, just don't take my cars and, uh, I'm talking about the police came to me and said, look. Tell me where the white boy at. This one he did.

Came in a crash to my crib, 7.30 in the fucking morning. I'm in the shower. Life is good. I just counted up 300 grand, 284, which they reported 165. Y'all robbed me on that, in fact,

but I couldn't beef about that because it was cash. Came in my house. Listen, the night, let me tell you the story. Let me tell you how the story when I got busted. Real talk.

Watch this. Two in the morning. By earlier that day, I called my man. Call him Jay Reid. I only fuck with him nowadays like that anyway. He's a civilian.

Worker job. He sold 30 pounds of wheat and thought he was in the street his whole life. Like, you're not. You work a job. But respectfully, the point that I'm making is that I had him with my bro. And I said, yo, I got to go up to my house at Lake Lanier and go get my range rover. You know what I'm saying? I'm getting ready to go out of town.

And I want to put the rover at the Thug Mansion. That's why I just caught my house in Alpharetta at a big boy crib, then Alpharetta and condos downtown, whatever. But I was like, yo, my house at the lake where I stashed my plug. He was up there. We'll go up there to count money every now and again, whatever. And it was laid the fuck out, but never kept anything in there, like money, anything like that.

A boat at the dock right there in the marina subdivision called Marina Bay. And I say all these details because you know, motherfuck could be yapping and they ain't really be solid. I'm going to give you the details so you know you can do some fact checking.

You know what I mean? But the point that I'm making is that I'm coming home. It's two in the morning. We're coming from the lake, Gainesville. It's probably about 30 miles away from my house

where we were going. Coming back, I'm in the range rover. I got him driving my Porsche Cayan Turbo. Boom. We back-to-back convoying. We get off the exit. I'm driving down this main road.

Bridge Road in Atlanta. A lot of people who watch this are from Atlanta and the Holcomb Bridge and Roswell. Driving down the street, going to my subdivision. And the Roswell police coming this way, I'm going that way. They made a U-turn. Now, mind you, they're not behind me,

they behind him. But they made a U-turn because I had one on break lights or parking lights was out on the porch. So I'm in my head thinking, right? I'm listening to him. And I'm smoking a little weed, so I'm not trying to stop to get out the car. Black officer is my car, and I ain't doing all of that.

I'm gonna keep it pushing. You're a civilian. You ain't got no gun, I ain't got nothing in the car. You're going to write your ticket, let you go, but I'm going to stay on the Bluetooth with you. I get up. I'm driving up my subdivision.

I'm going up the hill. Walk with me. Going up the hill. And I lived at the top of the hill. So in the middle of the hill, there's a clubhouse that has a tennis court and stuff like that, whatever, right? I pull up and I'm going up,

and I see this Ford Explorer, sport track. Now there's two interests to get to my neighborhood, right, with no gate, right? On one side of the, whatever, a couple blocks up, you can come and through that side and you come and through the side I came in.

outside I came in it's a sport track Park right there Explorer I'm like it's like 1.30 at the morning I didn't even know fucking car

is supposed to be over here but it's parked away from me it's parked facing this way not facing frontway and it looks like he got sleeping bags and all this shit

in the back so you got I pulled up and put the high beams on it you know I'm like I'm in the neighborhood who the fuck is this

so I got the high beams on it and it don't look like it's nobody in the car but they got sleeping bags blocking so you can't see if somebody's driving they got things rolled up

in the back seat there's a sport truck forward Sport Sport Sport Sport whatever. Meanwhile, I'm on the phone my man. They're like, oh, you got paperwork for the car. And I'm listening to them talking. I'm like, damn, okay, that's kind of random. Cool, paperwork. Boom, give them. He's like, hey, they let me go, bro. I'm pulling up. Whatever. All right, cool. So mind, I'm still looking at the sport track. So I go, I was like, man,

ain't no movement in the joint. All right, cool, whatever. I shoot up. That was there. Trying to see when I was coming home. You know what I'm saying? Or whatever, right, to make sure that I would be home when it was coming in the morning. I found out later. When I go to the cul-de-sac, I pull my cul-de-sac, my buddy jumps in his Honda, he drops my Porsche off, see him later, dab him, he go. I'm in the bathroom, counting up that bread in the master bedroom. I'm running through the counter. I got the music playing. I'm vibing.

I'm smoking a little bit. I'm chilling. I'm going to go to London. I'm going to New York the next day and go to London. That's why they came and got me, too, because I was on the phone. They heard me on my regular phone saying, I'm leaving and go to New York tomorrow, and then I'm going to London. They had a criminal complaint. They locked me up on.

There wasn't no warrant. It wasn't no indictment. I wasn't charged with anything yet. So if I wasn't at the house, they had the way to charge me to really exocentially look for me. But they came to the house. 6.30, 7 o'clock in the morning

I was in the shower. I'm talking about, bro, I got the music blaring. You know, Kanye, can't tell me nothing. I remember like it was yesterday. And at the time, I had a tankless hot water heater that was next to my theater downstairs, and it was above my master bathroom shower. And it would shake sometime.

So I was like, you know, I feel it a little bit or whatever like that. I got to get buddy to come back. and look at that. Tengless hot water heater is on the wall. You know what I mean? Or whatever. So it's supposed to be safe economic and all this, whatever. Smaller so it was attached to the wall. Hence, that's the reason why I felt it shaking the shower. So I was like, man, what the fuck is that? Is that the teckless hot water heater probably? So I kept washing up.

What the fuck is that? Mind you, my master is on the first floor. So I'm hearing some jumble rumbles and rumble jumble. I'm like, yo, hold up. I get out the shower while I'm soaking wet. I had a jacuzzi. I stepped on top of the steps and I had these wood blinds that were closed and ones you got to open up from the middle. And when I cracked it just a little bit, oh my lord, it looked like a field training exercise out there. I'm talking about it was like nine, ten agents out there.

They had the guns around their leg, the long arms. I was like, what the fuck? I said, oh, my fucking God, my heart jumped out my chest. I was like, all right, what I do, what I do? They're banging on the door. What I do? What I do? I call a lawyer.

Oh, the Blackberry, mind you, the Blackberry sitting on my bed. The PGP one. I got my French doors open in the back. mind you, I bought this house for security reasons because it was 75 feet above the ground level where the rear terrace was, so there was no back door for you to come get me from the back. I got it for security purposes,

jack boys, whatever the case. They were fired out where I live. If they did, they wouldn't be able to get through the back. And I had the front barricaded. So, yeah, it was really nice house, but I had sticks and this thing locked. That's why I took them forever to get in the house, right? I had time.

I had time, but I had probably about 15 seconds and I had to decide. If they had caught that blackberry, they might have tried to give me a life, sentence, you know what I? So I slip and slown all the way to the blackberry those on my bed and I chucked it out the back. Fritch doors, they didn't even see the shit went over their head and went back to the back to the bushes. They was too busy in the front. And the lady that was coming down, it was an agent that came down and slid down and slid down. She had all this mud

on her back. A lady, that's because she was trying to come through the back door and I have it set up to where you'll slide down and fall out that motherfucker. That's what she did because was going down to incline. There's no back door. You know what I mean? Or whatever. It's a side door, but it's chained clothes. You can't get in there. Anyway, man, crash through the door. After I threw that Blackberry, I'm trying to get,

I don't know where I was running to. I was trying to get to the basement. I don't know where I was going, but I didn't want to go to jail. That was the bottom line. The motherfuckers, when I looked up in my French doors, they finally got them open.

They was at the French doors probably about 10 minutes. Boom, boom, trying to get in that motherfucker. And they finally got in. The doors came off the end just, brum, get on the ground. You've been indicted in the northern district of Georgia for conspiracy to distribute marijuana

and money laundering. Get on the ground. I'm like, what? this by some weed y'all doing a lot about some marijuana man this is just crazy I'm ass naked pause man pauses I put some some drawers on bro does this what we doing you know what he's like man pick me up quit walk me back into my bedroom ass naked sit down where your drawers at bro where your draws I'm like right here man this thing go ahead get get him a pair of drawers out of there I felt so defenseless so helpless I'm mad as a motherfucker I got about 300,000 sitting there in the bag

I got a couple pistols in the um in the kitchen shotgun binelli joint f n h but I I got a federal firearms license at the time. Carrying permit, all that. I can have guns. But you can't have the guns with the money, you know, because the rights versus United States is saying that it's there to protect the money, if anything, drug proceeds, ill-gotten gains, ah-a. But I had to fight that, too.

That's how I got that thrown out. There's all for my Fed babies out there. In a case, I understand, tell your attorney to pull up the rights versus United States. So you can understand that if the money is a legitimate distance away from the firearms, they can't charge you with the enhancement. Because how I'm going to get to the guns? the robbers come in here and I'm asleep how am I get to the guns? How am I protecting?

Now, if the guns were in the bedroom, then I might have to fight on my hands. You know what I mean? But yeah, so from that point, he told me, he said, yo, listen, man, we want the white boy. I mean, I know you know where he at. We know about the old guy. We know about Slick. The old guy is one of my pilots. Slick is a motherfucker named Mark Stewart. Pull him up. I think he radded, though.

I wasn't too cool with him. His name is Jacob Stewart out of Seattle. he had the Hells Angels plug, right? He had a bill for $3 million. This is how he got the plug. Let me just give you that. He had a bill for $3 million. He fucked up some money.

So my plug, which was his best friend, ended up going up to Canada to talk to H.A. and say, I'm going to take the bill from him. I'm going to take his bill. Let me go to work with a promise that he will never work in this business with us. And they said, fuck it. If you can move to green, you can have a plug,

but we're not fucking with him no more. You're lucky we don't kill him. But you're going to pay his bill? Cool. That's how that transpire. And I always respect the hells angels about their business acumen. They don't fuck with blacks like that,

but when you turn that money in and it's quiet and you don't do no telling, they fuck with you. You know what I'm saying? Like, I ain't do no telling. I stayed sturdy. One of the motherfuckers reached out to me

when I came home in prison. He was like, bro, what are we doing? Nothing. We're not doing nothing. Man, I'm retired, man. Thank you for anything that. You guys have put a lot. I'm cool.

I'm doing this full time now. You know what I mean? Oh, good luck. You know? But the bottom line is that I'm, you know, in that essence of the time, it was like fucked up

because they're telling me, listen, man, we know about everybody, just tell us where he's at and you can keep all these cars. I have about four or five cars in the yard at the time. Anything that we find in here, you can say you won't even go to court.

Just tell us where he at. We want you, but without him ain't know you. And without you ain't know him. So you're the reason why we can't find him and we're going to come and lock you up, basically. But just tell us where he's at and we'll go ahead and get out your way. It's still 7 o'clock in the morning.

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You're going to play that game? Cool. Don't worry about it. So when they lock me up, I'm in handcuffs. I come out the motherfucking house. All my neighbors is being nosy. I got all these four fusions and charges lined up the fucking block with tenant windows. You know the fed's dead against somebody.

I come out. Boom. They sit me in the back of the charger. I get in the back of the charge I had. We just got these new burner phones, though. We was changing the regular phones like every 12 to 15 days. and we would FedEx them to all of our suppliers who didn't have a PGP encrypted Blackberry

because you can't call my fucking number from your dirty phone. Yo, I got a new number. That's the worst thing we do. You got a new number. But you call on the same motherfucker that you don't sold drugs with forever and they're on his line.

He don't have a new number. So we would pre-program the number and then have a courier or have it directly delivered to the distributor so it wouldn't be no chance. Hey, my new number is 917 or my new number is this because the fed's on the wire.

So they just pick up your new number, get a toll tap, Title III for that. Next thing you know they're on your new lines. So anyway, with that, we had these AT&T go phones. And fuck, bro. This is how he got saved. So you need to be thanking me because I ain't talked to him,

whatever, but he had a head start. So I'm going to tell you, I'm in the back of the charger. This dickhead agent named Dante Jackson. I swear to God, he was like me. Like my age, he was a big hater. You know those agents that come around. They're like your age. They don't want you to be, who you are. Like, no, you used to be in control. You're not in control anymore.

You're not controlling anything anymore. Yeah, no more Dita shorts, no more there. I'm like, damn, bro, you've been watching me? You know what I'm saying? Whatever? Like, he was a big hater. So, bottom of the other, but he also got caught up by a couple years later because, you know, Little Fat, which is a rapper that used to be down with Trill Entertainment, he got killed in Atlanta.

And an informant that this agent handled is the one responsible for the kid getting killed. So he had a big investigation on him. I don't even think he's on the force anymore or whatever. But the point that I'm making is that you have those rogue agents. And unfortunately, the U.S. Justice. department it's their job to protect their people you know what I mean whatever but it fucked me up because I'm in the back of the charger and my plug called me right when I'm like right when it man I picked the phone up they let me pick the phone up right there was like yo I was like hello

he's like you talk to him you you talk to him find out find out where he at talk to him like that and I was like I was like yo hello he was like hey man what's up I was oh man what's up bro he was like man I can't reach anybody man Where's Dave? You talk to Dave? Dave locked up And I came and got him 20 minutes before they got me

Dave. He's like man You talk to Dave You try to call his brother I can't reach anybody And you weren't picking your phone up I was like yeah man I was in the shower

And I like yeah man That bitch is bad though man You remember that bitch from what you call That's saying you don't tell you that bitch bad Meanwhile They had an agent sitting next to me Trying to see if I was going to say anything about anything

You know what I mean or whatever But that was our cold word If any funny shit was going on He was like huh Like that, what do you mean? I don't know if he was just waking up or whatever But he was like, huh? I was like, yeah, man, that bitch bad, bro.

But yeah, man, shit. Well, I'm hit you back and find out where you at, man. I'm going to come pull up on you. And that's how the call ended, right? So I still had the phone in my hand. He's talking to the agent to agent. They're talking, yeah, man, he just had him on the phone. The guy don't know nothing.

Meanwhile, I'm trying to switch the fucking text from numeric to alpha. I put FBI and press sin. And then he took the phone from me. He didn't know what I was doing. I was, all right, man, you're done with the phone like that. And I deleted the message. You know what I'm saying? Whatever.

I said, FBI. He's all right, man. He came back and found me. He's like, all right, call him again. I tried to call the phone dead. I said, thank God. Thank God. He got on the way.

But then, you could have got in the fucking wind. You didn't get in the wind. Let me tell you what he does. He gets caught a month later, a month and a half later at Floyd Mayweather's girlfriend's house out on the south side of Georgia. Because guess what he did? He's calling his fucking body shop, which the guy who's running the body shop is a complete turncoat because the feds now came to see him

already because we got a lot of cars at this guy's shop so the fed's like all right give us up give him give him give him up what we're doing you know what I mean and whatever and the guy knew everybody knew state police because he had a body shop used to work on a lot of justice department car stuff like that so they came directly to him when they found out that we were in business with him let me tell you what they did when my man called him back in the day sprint PCS used to have the phone number that called you on your voicemail so when you call when you when you go to you when you go to you check your voicemail. It's that you have a message from

310. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da. They pulled the number off of that and they ping the phone and they got him out by the Atlanta airport. He was right. Soon the defense came to the door,

shortly opened up the door named Jamie. She opened up the door. She floyd-mayweather girlfriend right now, currently all these years later used to be his mistress. Now he's a real girlfriend. She opened up doors

like he upstairs. And in between that time, I couldn't fucking believe like one of my closest partners who we was getting money, one of the suppliers, he got to his car and drove down here with $185,000 in cash.

Instead of coming and dropping it off at one of the bro's crib, he can go bring it to him. Bro, that's already paid for. What you're giving him money for? He can't go to the can. We got to keep everything that we got, it is paid for. We don't owe him nothing.

What you doing? Oh, man, I thought we owed him that last little bit. I just said, no problems. I just want to clean it up. Nah, man. So I was really pissed off about that. But the point that I'm making is that he had $72,000 when they called him. I don't know if he gave Jamie some bread or do whatever.

When they called him, that was in the paperwork. They called him with 70,000. So then he got 11.5 years because they put cocaine in his case, and part of his case. Because you know we're in the same case, the mitigating factors where Tyler was only dealing with weed. Barbara was dealing with 100 keys of coke because what happened was in L.A., he set up something. So what we started doing was having a car exchange. So we would load up a utility van. They loaded up a utility van with like 50 to 100 keys of coke.

Then we would go having a spare car with the money in it. most times. Or it would just be a swap where we needed to swap cars. So the guy would get out of his car and we would get in a utility van and we were part ways. Well, unfortunately,

that guy was compromised who got caught with the 126 because the feds ended up getting his encrypted blackberry and he gave him the secure key. He sent the message to my man, I read these messages. He's like, he was like,

all is well. And then he said, all is caught. I said, man, what the fuck? Man, we're about to be hot. Mind you, this happened on the 28th of, it came and got me on May 5th. This happened on April, April 7th, right? That first bus happened.

They reigning in now. Then on April 15th, they came to Redondo. They came to a house in Redondo Beach, which was a guy named Mark. He was on our case, too. And quote unquote, Ivan. We went over to the motherfucking, they went to his house, right? This is what happened when they went to his house. They fought 125 pounds a week.

I remember I was thinking back in the case, 124 pounds of wheat in notepads with balances in people's name and guess what the fuck at the top of the notepad the top of the notepad had my plugs mother's name because she had stationary what the fuck are you doing bro

are you giving him notes with your mom's name at the top you know and that's what happened because he had scrabble notes on the desk in there when they came and got two guns 125 pounds a weed and that's how they ended up having him cooperate and guess what

the cars were there for 20 minutes and all of their cars disappeared And he chirped my man. Like, yo, man what's going on? My man's like, yo, bro, my broad, they have a girlfriend of mine that just drove by the house and said she's seen nine federal agent cars out there. And now this fucking guy's calling me hours later

saying everything's okay and not even telling me anything. I said, you know what it is. He's working. Just that simple. And that's how the case started to crumble, you know, from there. You know what I mean? I got 120 bricks and I got 120 pounds a week

because they already observed, as the paperwork says, him putting two duffel bags inside of Toyota Corolla, and that's how they was monitoring the house. That's why they ended up getting a probable cause for a search warrant. Now, why did you keep the guns and the money in your house to begin with? Because the money had just got the day before that, like, mind you, like before we went to go pick up the car, pick up my car from my other spot, we had just got, well, I had just got the money and doing a couple of pickups for my drivers. So I would meet some of my drivers, and they would bring me to bread because I'm the only one that going to meet the pilot.

But why even bring it at your house? Why not have an offsite location, a Warehouse and office something. I had a stash house in the cash house, right? My stash house was a condo, one of my condos on P Street Street in Atlanta, and they went over there to the house. Nobody was there, and they found like 90 pounds in the bathtub and hockey bags. Oh, so they did get that. They got it from there, but I wasn't there, right?

So then I had just rounded up this cash. Mind you, the guns were legal. So I'm not having this money in my house for no longer than 10 to 15 hours because I'm getting ready to leave with it. I just came, brought it to my house to do a personal account. The next morning I was going out of town. I was going to drop it over to the stash spot and jump on a plane.

You see what I'm saying? But they came right in the middle of that transition. You know what I'm so? So that's the reason. It wasn't purposeful because I never kept a bunch of bread at my crib at the same time thinking that the people would come

with this house that I was in. Bro, it's off the books. How y'all ended up here? I'll tell you why they came and how they ended up up there. My uncle, street uncle, this is the reason why I went to prison. Street uncle.

Dan Anderson, that was his name. Rat bastard. He was working for the motherfucking people for eight years. as said in the paperwork, I'm talking about what I had did everything under the son. And I can't believe he didn't book me for none of that shit up until this time. Turns out his son was in prison. He was trying to get his son out of jail.

And you get me convicted, you get a case on me, we'll cut your son's state time down. That's, I found out all of that, you know, much later on. The street uncle, the street uncle got the tell. Was the question you asked me? He made me go on to that. It was something that you asked me. How about why you had it all at your house? No, no, it was after that.

It was, damn, it was after that, because I was kind of going into a flow. But anyway, the point that I make an overall, like, this is why, this is the reason why I knew where I lived there. He called me about three weeks before. Oh, you asked yourself that question. Correct.

Why didn't come up? I didn't know where I was at. So three weeks before that, he's like, man, that uncle was something, man. I need a couple dollars. Like, he hit me with that one. Mind you, this is a new crib that I got. Not long ago, and I got a couple females over there.

I got a chef over there cooking. So I don't really want to leave. And I got a couple dollars at the crib, too. And I don't want to leave. I mean with the money for real. Not strangers, but still, you know, nobody really knew my business. They knew I was in the music business.

They had no idea that I was selling thousands of thousands of pounds of mile while in a month. They had no idea, because I would keep that shielded. I was not one of those guys that was proud to say, hey, I got a private jet, and I'm singing hell of pounds of weight across the United States. It wasn't my thing. I didn't get a stripe for that. It just was a business opportunity, you know,

and I was able to maximize it, and I was really good at it. My driveway was about 75 feet long from my front door. So he pulled to the tip of the top of the top of the driveway. It met me like kind of a quarter of the way in. So when I went to bring him like $2,500, he wanted to borrow some little money, I'd give him $2,500, whatever. He's like, man, he's like, man, it's the new crib, huh? Because when he called me, he's like, man, shit, I ain't seen the new crib yet. You know what I'm saying? Like that type, I'm harmless. I'm thinking, yeah, I'll come, pull up to the new crib. I can't leave. Just come to the driveway.

I should have went to go meet him. Because he earmarked my house right there. He knew, that's how he told him where I was at. You know what I mean? And unfortunately, man, you can't trust nobody. When you in that game, it's like, you don't know what. You don't know somebody else got going on. So that was really kind of blew my mind because I said to myself over and over, man, I fucking knew better. I knew better.

And, you know, unfortunately, those are the lessons that we get at the other end of it. But yeah, I mean, so much. I mean, shit. I said, I said Matt in that video did he show it to you?

When I was at the W. Okay, so the same person, I called Unc, he turned around and introduced me to an undercover agent named E. I didn't know he was an undercover agent. I thought he was a banker.

Like, yo, you got to meet E. Hey, man. You know, E.J. Manuel, I got him from Dante, man, I put him with Dante. Now, Dante is Dante Edwards, which was a former BMF associate. He got killed, you know, years ago, burnt up, and he left his body

in an alley in Detroit. But he was a good guy, whatever the case may be, to me. And from what I heard, he robbed the plug or something, and he cut his dick off, put it in his mouth. Jeezy put it in the motherfucking rhymes. You could hear a D-boy. They fired his dick in his mouth and burnt up in a garbage bag.

Or my mama, straight up, because he robbed a plug. helped him rob the plug Unk sat at the state line him and Dante was talking doing business together Unk sat at the state line and watched this lady on her route come across state line

hit Dante say hey listen man she just crossed into Georgia he knew what she was going because he was fucking her she was the plugs gopher you know what I mean the plug Spanish guy

that he was fucking with he was her do girl she was his due girl so Dante started fucking on her because he knew she was carrying the money so he started knocking her off and just to get in good with her She stayed like at a super aide or something like that.

Some hotel, Unc even went to watch out. I read all of this. I couldn't believe this. They broke in his lady's car to $375,000. Meanwhile, they found out that it was that Dante who did it. So they put his old homeboy on and to kill him. And when they came and met him, he walked right in the motherfucking apartment somewhere

and some off-brand spot over in Ohio because one of my right hand, one of my partner's Little Chris, he went to this time too, but Lil Chris was his little man. And little Chris called him. I'm like, yo, man, what's up with my bro? Where he go? Man, he jumped out of the car,

jumped out of the car, jumped at the car with a bitch. He was like, he did? Damn, man, because I'm looking for bro. The man, he talking to telling him that he jumped out of the car with a bitch. That's the one who took him to the spot. As soon as he walked in the fucking apartment, it was wrapped in plastic. Huh? As soon as he walked his spot, knocked his head off,

balls him up in the plastic, burnt his body up, chopped his dick off everything. Respectfully. True story. You know what I'm saying? Not true story. True story. Pull it up. Dante Jackson.

Pull it up. You know what I mean? I'm telling you what's going on. Dante Edwards, Dante Jackson's the agent and Dante Edwards is my homeboy who got killed. But anyway, point that I'm making with that

is that Unk was part of all of that shit. So the feds will allow you to get busy and do shit as long as there ain't no murder involved. You know what I mean? And they was allowing him to get away with shit. You know what I mean? And it was just a nasty situation, man, because at that particular point,

you know, I should have watched out for the signs. You know, should have been signs like, you know, Unk was a repo man. You know, he had a recovery, company, right? And I'm talking I sat this man. That's why I wanted to do something to him, but I had to forgive myself. I had to give myself to the Lord and just say fuck all the other shit. It was like, man, but if I was in my other state of mind, bro, I'd been looking to hang him upside down by his pinky toe and torture him. Respectfully, just for the change that he brought

to my life. Like, bro, I was on a route. I was about to retire at 33, 34 years old, had a few millions put up. You understand me? And you fuck my route up, chap. But the bottom line is that E. E.J. was the undercover agent. And he invited me to the W. Hotel to meet E. E. E. E. In him at the room to talk about some investment strategies. And he's supposed to be able to verify it through Dante, but Dante dead. So that's why he gave me Dante. He said, oh, yeah, man, Dante used to move the money, but Dante, well, how I'm supposed to verify that? Dante dead somewhere.

We can't even find him at the time, you know what I mean. How I'm supposed to verify that? But whatever, I'm going to come for the meeting. Come for the meeting. Guy got a buzz cut, kind of. He come down and meet me in the lobby. He got his shirt, three, four buttons loose. You know what I'm saying?

He walking barefoot. Just like he just got no care in the world type shit. Like, cool white boy, like I'm rich. I do what I want. I go, okay. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, man, you guys come up. He's munching on some peanuts and shit.

Just talking shit. Yeah, man, Kai, good to meet you. Number one, he called me Kai. He's supposed to call me Kay. That's one. You told this motherfucker my name? Like, I'm just in my head. I can say nine.

We get upstairs. He got a regular room. It ain't no big boy penthouse suite. None of that shit. You got a regular room. We go in the room. On the minibar. This motherfucker got camera set up.

I didn't notice. He had it in the mini bar, the M&M can and all. all this shit that he has set up, it turned out to be a camera. I didn't know that until I got my discovery, but thank God I say nothing crazy. Because when I was sitting on the chase lounge, Unks sitting on the bed, EJ's doing a bunch of talking. Yeah, man, so let you know it right now. You're the only one that's going to have access to your funds.

He starts going in right there. I don't deal with wives. I don't deal with girlfriends. I don't deal with baby mothers, okay? I'm like, he's talking to me like he knows my story of mine or something. I'm like, okay. He's like, yeah, man. So, you know, I used to work for you.

work for Deboi. And I was like, okay, but I'm saying myself, I can't verify that, though, champ. You know what I mean? Or whatever? Let them keep talking. I said, all right. So look, let me just cut it right quick, man.

Do, are you one of the assumption that I got like duffel bags of cash to bring you? Is that what this meeting is up like that? And I'm telling you, he's like, oh, well, I'm thinking that, you know, you need to clean your money. Bro, I can do that myself. I don't need nobody to do that for me. I thought we was coming up here to talk about some investment,

diversification, some energy investment platforms, things that you might have that might work for my side of the coin. You know, that's what I'm here for you. The judge said, I like that. Because I'm, for real, like, I'm a businessman, you know, above anything else. So when I'm listening to him, talk to me, I'm like, all right, cool. Well, you know, we can probably talk about some of that later, but, you know, I'm about bulk cash and this, that, and the third. And I was okay, well, I don't have really none of that to get you. But thank you, you know what I'm there for the time. Yada-da-da. I'm on video. I'll show it to you four weeks ago. I send it to

Matt. So Matt has the video. So from there, about three weeks later, they try to trap me three times, the second time. Watch this. The second time, we're in Miami. He said, yo, this is a story I was telling when you had walked in. I mean, we're in Miami. Uncle called me. Hey, look, E.J. would invite us down, man, to Miami's having this yearly party where all his clients

are going to come. You come in hobnob and network and da-da-da-da-da. I'm like, I'm already being in Miami working on some music and shit. So cool, set it up. Now, my plug, he'll never fly commercial because he still think he hot. You know what I mean? He only fly private or he's going to drive. You know, I'm going to get driven.

Why did I let Unk and him drive down? I don't know Unk's the police at the other time. I think he's a trusted associate. Unk drives him down. Mind you, my partner falls asleep. Watch this. My partner falls asleep. Unk likes to have this thing to say,

yo, let me see your phone. He play a game. Whatever the standard game is on the iPhone that he was playing on your phone, that's how he got in my phone to get all these different people names out of it. One time I let him hold my phone. We were sitting down at me and I'm like, yo, or somewhere.

He's like, let me see your phone, nephew. He's looking at my phone. actually doing shit inside my fucking phone, right? So he gets down into Miami. It's him, my man, Jason, Barbara, and Dave Gated, three guys. Dave was my driver. He ratted, you know what I'm saying, or whatever, too. He told, Unk was a rat, he told, too.

You know what I mean? And Jason, I don't know if he told or not, but, you know, he didn't get a funny sentence, so whatever. But the point is, when we got there, they put us in, he was putting us in Rooms at the Intercontinental in Sunny Our House. I'm like, he got all of these rooms, too, Unk? Yeah, man, EJ got millions of miles. I'm like, miles.

Like, yeah, we pay for the rooms and, I was okay. All right, cool. Got us, each our individual room. You think I stayed in the motherfuckers? No, at all, right? Because guess what? My man was like, dude, he got us rooms and shit? I was like, bro, these motherfuckers might be bugged.

I was there with it. I was like, they might be bugged anything. And I'm glad I ain't stay in the room because I'm sure they was bugged because they was provided by the U.S. Department of Justice via him. So we got penthouses at the Gansaboard. changed it up on them real quick I'm not staying over here y'all can stay over here

I ain't staying here why not because man my work is at the other side of the beach you know what I mean like I'm doing work and I'm working on my music shit so I'm not staying all the way down here just doing my excuse

he said the Mayback and the expedition or some excursion to come get us right like why I need two cars that cave me and my man jumped in the Mayback whatever we in Sunny Isles but he keep driving

I keep passing the same publics we ride for like 10 minutes I'm like yo bro you're doing hot laps what you're doing oh no sir just for security purposes that's all before we go into the enclave trying to make it sound fancy. I said, okay, I hear you.

You know what I'm saying? So we pulled through these gates or whatever. We in Bel Harbor, yeah, we in Belle Harbor, sunny hours area, whatever. Not far from the hotel either. You know what I mean? Or whatever. So I was wondering why the fuck you keep driving in circles.

Maybe they was prepping. I don't know what they was doing. But the point is when we got to the house, we pull up to the house like a Mediterranean-style crib. It's a Bentley is a Bentley, Rnaz, red label in there, navigator, a bunch of, bunch of seized cars is what it was.

Cars that were seized by the federal government, I come to find out, I'm sure, right? The guy opened up the door, ballhead, he got a cigar in his hand, he got his shirt open, chest hair, showing. I've never seen this motherfucker day in my life. I don't know who this is. Oh, man, guys welcome.

Yeah, everybody's on out back. I don't know. I walk in there, they got statues in the walls and shit. I'm like, okay, crib eye. You know, I'm just looking around. I'm just, I'm going to change. But my boy was like, yeah, dude. It looks like Donnie Brasco, man.

I was like, what you mean? How do you figure that? He was like, man, this dude, I don't know. This is just, this looks weird. I was like, why is it weird, bro? Because a ton of white people here and stuff like that? I got some weed on me, bro. They're going to cuff me, cuff me.

What are we doing? We ain't doing nothing. Relax. I got the, I got the, I got the Petek Philippe Turbion on. It's paid $200,000 for it. You know what I mean? I'm coming through doing my numbers. Man, listen, bro.

They got the belly dances, dancing in the living room and shit like that with the fire on their head. I go out to the back to the chef making impanatas. And I look her. up. It's 120-foot sunseek of yacht. Man, that shit's pearly white. I said, woo, that motherfucker nice right there. Who y'all that is? You know what I'm saying? They know what I like? You know what I'm saying?

whatever, right? Why's this? I walk up E.J. and I see the same motherfucker that I met at the hotel. He's sitting there and it's a black guy sitting there across from him. I forget what he told me his name was. Don't you know this motherfucker that's sitting right there is the same motherfucker who crashed through my crib and said, get on the ground? All of them years later, he was an under-heel. He was an agent. And E.J, he's like, yeah, I want you to meet my friend. Da-da-da. Yeah, this is K right here.

I'm looking at him. All right, cool. Whatever. Yeah, guys feel free. Move around. Do, do, da-da. Cool. I get on a boat.

Music blaring on a boat. People walking around with the crew shirts on and all. I was, okay, E. I get some real money. I'm looking back. And now, E.J. try to impress me to get me in. I don't know who all of these motherfuckers is in this party.

But I'm sure, 85% of these people are police. It got to be. There's no way in the world that this is staged this way. But it got to be. So when I get on the boat, I notice a Spanish poppy. He's twisting and turning and he got his blazer on,

he got the cigar on his hand. And I'm like, yeah, okay, pop, I'll see you? You don't know what's going on at this point. It's federal. It's a federal investigation. I don't know this, though. So I said, you know what? She's sitting at the dock.

My man in my ear like, you know, this shit don't see right. I'm like, I just asked this girl for her number too. I talked to her a little bit. She ain't give me the number. So I was like, damn, if she was really the police, she'd probably gave me her number.

but she wasn't a police. I mean, she didn't give me a number. Let me try something else. I like E.J., I jump off the yacht. I say, E.J., say, what's going to put some hours on, man? I said, look, man, we're going to put some hours on it, man. Why we ain't got that bitch out on the water, man? Is this going to sit back there like some furniture?

Or you want to take it out? Yeah. Come on, man, let's go. Let's cruise a little bit. All right, cool, we'll take it out. I said, oh, shit, okay, okay. We can take the boat out. Because if usually I'm in my head, like, it is some bullshit.

He ain't going to be able to take the boat out. you know, took the boat out. We got on that motherfucker people that was already on it. We were out of the inter-coastal. Went to a piece of the Atlantic. That bitch made a U-turn and came back. Okay?

Mind you, the whole time, I'm in the front of the yacht, a little wasted, because I got that on tape too. I'm a little drunk talking shit. The Colombian lady that's sitting next to me is E.J.'s wife, quote-unquote. She's like, do you know where you are?

Like, I'm going to show you the video here in the back where I was like, yeah, I know where I'm at, man. I'm in the coastal. up at the top. He's like, so when are you guys going back? How long are you guys? And I had my plug in the back where I like, yeah, you know, we kind of live on the road, you know. So I don't really have to have a home to go back to. I kind of like do what I want when I want, you know, and I'm listening to the video like, this motherfucker up here talking to the police. He don't even knows the police. So now, the third time, we part from that party. Nothing happened. Nobody got busted, blah, blah, blah, blah.

But I looked back at the time, I had a flip camera. Remember the flip cams? Yeah. I had a flip camera. And I was filming. and shit that night. I filmed everybody. I watched the tape back still to this day. I filmed everybody. And this motherfucker agent, the same one who came and got me, not only was he sitting across from EJ

when we was watching the belly dances, he's standing right in the hallway of the kitchen with his hands on his hips looking like a fucking cop. You know what I never paid attention to that when I'm sitting there watching the belly dances. I didn't think to look for somebody that might look like the police.

I'm chilling. I'm thinking that I'm far removed from the hustle. So I'm in Miami. It ain't nothing going on down here. I'm on another type of top, you know? So from there, the third time, Pride, it was a restaurant called Prime in Atlanta. It was on the second floor in Lennox Mall at the time.

He's like, yeah, man, E.J. taking us to dinner, man. Come meet, I was like, E.J. again, huh? You know what I'm saying? Like a month later. E.J. again, huh? I was like, all right, cool. I'm going to pull up real quick because I'm already feeling some kind of way about this shit, right? Watch this.

Because I'm going to tell you, four things happen. This the third thing, but an incident behind it happened, and I want to be clear. This third incident, we go to this fucking. thing. Me and Dave go. David Gade. My fucker turned out to tell later on. But me and him went and Unk went. We get to it. We get there. E.J's in there waiting for us. Him. The ballhead dude to answer the

fucking door at the house in Miami. And, um, and this white boy that had like, like a shag kind of. He was like, he's like, hey dude. He was like a real like airy. You know what I'm saying? I was my first time meeting him. So we sit at the table. And we're talking to shit. He was like, yeah, I want you to meet my buddy, man. He's like, He needed to get like 80, 100 pounds to Amsterdam. You know, I got my other buddy over here. I was like, what do you want to bring weed to Amsterdam? That was the first red flag.

So when I was like, why are you going to bring one? I'm eating. I was like, why you want to bring weed to Amsterdam? And then the white boy sitting next to me. He's like, yeah, man, it's a pleasure to meet you, man. He's like, so where's your white boy at? I looked at him. Like, what the fuck are you talking about?

What? From that point right there, I was like, man, oh shit. I don't know, man. I think he's traveling. Hey, Dave, we got to go do that thing, man. I just remember. E.J., you got this? Oh, yeah, yeah, I'll take care of it.

I'm out of here. I don't even like that. I don't even like that question. I can say nothing about it. But when he asked me that, I got about it. I was like, oh, yeah, something going on. These motherfuckers to Polly. Something's something going on. So from that point on, about eight days, nine days later, on my chirp. Somebody hit me from a, now. I'm like, what number is this? Or the Boost Mobile. Do you know what I'm looking like? I don't know this number.

State your name. I ain't say that. I ain't say that. But I'm just like, okay, we'll come over to speak and say who you are before I even respond. And then it comes over the fucking phone. You know what he says? Hey, Kai is E.J. Kai, how the fuck do you know my fucking name, bro? I'm livid.

I'm like, yo, no, there's no way in the world. I try to call this motherfucker. I couldn't get him on the phone. I said, yo, somebody told this motherfucker my name. Why is he calling me my name? I didn't answer him, though. He was trying to rein me in. He told him my name.

He was an agent. He was working for the police. He said my name. like a cop you know what I mean I was like man this gonna get different so probably about a month later um I was in Miami and um I woke up at the time I was fucking with black china and she had a girlfriend strawberry or whatever at the room you know people was chasing them up and bitches around later on but I was in the street making tons of money and they was down in Miami free you got a few dollars you was fucking around with him no problem

I woke up at the Ganservoir man in a sweat I was in a sweat nightmare in no bullshit I see my name on some paperwork. I tell people the story all the time right, but in private. First time telling the public, listen, I woke up in the sweat. I ain't saying I got superpowers of premonition or nothing, but I had a nightmare that my name was on some paperwork and it said, United States versus me and they didn't have nobody else's name up there. I said, oh, man, I'm breathing hard. I get up. I was like, yo, man. I just, I didn't even tell them. I said, yo, listen, y'all got to go. I need my space. Y'all got to go. I just, y'all got to go. I'm sweating and shit. When they left, I made my plans. I said, I'm shutting down.

for 60 days. I'm taking all my coins and I'm about to travel across the world. I'm getting them on flash drives. You want to see my banker and I'm taking my money somewhere. Like, these motherfuckers

not going to come get me and I'm going to be fucked up. It's not going to happen. Shut this shit down. 60 days, I need to travel. Venezuela. It came in Ireland. That I was every fucking where

try to drop a couple coins off because I didn't know when they was going to come get me. But if then, even I said matrivation dates for 2008. Because I didn't know if they were going to come get me, when they was going to come get me,

whatever. But that dream was real. And two years, two months later, kicked in my motherfucking door. And the money that they got is the money that they got. Anything else is, you feel me. So I didn't get your other assets or anything. Not at all.

They didn't know about the house in California. They didn't know about the house in Jersey. They knew about the Lake House in Georgia. They knew about the mansion in Georgia. They knew about the condo in Georgia. What about your businesses? My businesses, they didn't, they knew about the businesses,

but they knew it were totally legit. Like, it was nothing. I was in laundering money through there, but I didn't put one single dollar of cash in that account for many. transactions outside of the business. So with the forensic account, and they were able to trace all of that, even the taxes that I paid between the music, the investments, the glass company that I had.

Like, I didn't put no dollar single cash of drug money inside of there. So you charge me with money laundering. But I'm buying things every day, like my lawyer said, Your Honor. Money laundering is what we do every day. If I go buy a Mercedes right now from Ian and Ian's in California and I'm in New Jersey and I wire him $165,000, I'm essentially laundering money. no matter how you look at it. Is that not true?

My lawyer write case law. Shout out Don Samuels and David Botz, too. They write United States case law. Best in the business. You know what I'm saying? You get a Fed case. Data wants to see. Trust me when I tell you,

but you still might go to prison, but you ain't got to do no telling. You work it out. You know what I'm saying? But that's how that ended up happening. It was just, I had my signs, bro. You know what I mean? I had plenty signs, bro.

And I was like, follow the signs. Follow the signs. But you still got back into the game even with the signs. Yeah, I was because I couldn't, bro, I was hard for me to stop. I couldn't really stop. The bag was coming. They even got on a wiretap, right?

They got a wiretap, since this conversation, right? And I was like, man, my boy, David, who told was like, man, we got to find something else to do, man. I was like, we who? I'm already in the music business. You got to find something else to do. He's like, man, because I can't, man, we want to find something else. I was like, bro, but the bag's still coming. It's still coming every month, like clockwork.

You need your taxes paid. You need that. You like that new S.L. Mercedes you ride in? You like that Rolex. You like your mom are not having to pay for no medication. You like having full insurance. You like having that house paid off that your mama live in.

It all come from this weed right here. So you're talking about finding I find something else to do. Like what? Did you have an end game for yourself? Yeah. My end game was to put $10 million up off the weed business and retire, period. Like 33, 34. I was making a bunch of money from the music business as well too.

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Yeah, bro. So I was always been diversified, no matter if I was selling weed or songs. But do you think if you don't get caught and you exit the game, then you're always living your life looking over your shoulder? Yes and no. I guess until the statute of limitations passed. Yeah, yeah, until it runs up, but then like people who do, yeah, yes and no. So if you're looking over your shoulder, because I know plenty of people out there who've run off with 120 keys of cocaine and think that they're getting out the business now and they've sold all of it, you got to look over your shoulder.

Somebody might come knock your fucking head off, not this month, two years from now. Who knows? But as far as the police is concerned, once you clean your hands, that's when they come. Because I had so many things going on in the music business at the time when they came and got me, I still had 123 pounds of wheel. I wasn't even trying to move it. I was like, yeah, I'm cool. That bill is already paid. I paid for that already.

So I got a few million put up. I'm not tripping. Fuck that. I know everybody need to eat. A lot of people depend on me, but we're going slowly but surely trick with this thing to a clip. And they always come at the end. They always come at the end.

It never fucking fails. Never fail. They always come. We go, I'm out the game. I'm always out the game. Yeah, all right. That's when the door get kicked in. You think, I see people get picked up a case 10 years old.

You know. Now, where was your mom in all of this? She was a, she wasn't as supporting I'm gonna say this because I came to her I was getting a lot of bread and it'd been going on for years

and I said to my mother I said mom so listen I've been something I've been wanting to tell you you know what I was like well I was like look now you know I'm moving a little bit of weed

you know what I was like well I'm moving a little bit of weed but don't worry about it the police ain't on none of that we got planes we safe right and I did that to justify what I was doing

I'm fooling myself for real and I told my mother about it like to the point I'm my only child so I'm like mom listen And I'm getting hell of money off this weed. And I'm making money. What about the music? I thought, yeah, I'm making money from that.

But I got some sweet going on right here. And it's just weed. We ain't hurt nobody. No violence, no this. And the third, my mom was like, still, you need to stop. It's still illegal. You need to stop. Yeah.

Then three years later, they came from that conversation. But it was rocking and roger. So I wasn't really like, you know, in a space where my mom wasn't complicit with it at all. She was like, okay. You know what I'm telling you. Remember what I told you? You know what I mean? Like that?

Because she ain't raised me for that. So I didn't raise you to be doing this shit. You're a really, really well-spoken person. You're smart as fuck. You know, you have great business acumen. Like, she said the same thing the judge said years later. But, you know, at the end of the day, hard head, make a soft ass. Sometimes you got to get that motherfucking slap on the face.

Sometimes slap on the wrist. This one was a slap on the wrist because I'm really supposed to get 20 years in prison. Yeah. How much time do you get? I got five years for the money laundering. I got five years for the conspiracy to distribute marijuana, the mandatory minimum. They just ran it together. So you only did five years?

I did a nickel. four years, one month. You got off like a bandit. Like a bandit. Like a fucking bandit. I'm going to tell you something. Those two off camera. Like, yo, yeah, I got off like a bandit.

Let's put it this way. Unless you fingerprint me, you already know I've been to prison. Wow. It wasn't my mistake. Somebody fucked up some numbers along the way. But hey, I'm thankful. So that was a plea deal they offered you for that time?

Yeah, they wanted 10 years. At first, they were trying to give me a mandatory minimum of 10 years, which were 1,000 kilograms of more of marijuana would trigger. But a lawyer told me some of the smartest thing ever. He said, listen, we're never at me. to selling 20 pounds a week.

We never admit to selling to sell it 10 pounds a day. I was like, why not? Well, just telling people out, yeah, because they can put years on that. So if you do 20 pounds a week, right, and that's 80 pounds a month, and it's 12 months in a year, right? So how many thousands of pounds a week?

Okay, great. It triggers a 10-year mandatory minimum. Yeah, look how many guys are doing 20 years for those same weed charges. Yes, because why? They get the mandatory minimum of 10 years. Then they get charged with the enhancement for being a leader, right?

Leadership role. then they get the gun enhancement for being a felon in possession of a firearm while committing the federal crime. That's going to bring you to a dub on a plea. You feel me? I didn't have any of that. I had mandatory minimum for conspiracy to distribute 100 kilograms of more of marijuana. You know why? Because I was on that dumb-ass boost mobile saying I counted 237 plus five.

They didn't even find 100 pounds away from me. They found 75 or 80 pounds. It's ghost dope or whatever. Yeah, well, you put a ghost dope on you in. Of course, when they're just going to be figuratively speaking, oh, you've been in the game five years. Okay, great. How many keys did you sell a month? Five keys?

Okay, great. So it's five keys times 12. So you're just 60 keys a year, huh? Times five years? Oh, yeah, you're getting to get a million years. He sold 60 keys a month for five years. Add it up. So were there people in your circle or on your case that thought you were snitching for only getting that little time?

Nah, because, well, with my case, because with my charges, the mandatory minimum carries for conspiracy to distribute marijuana, 100 kilograms. That's why I was good when I went to the yard, because when I was in people who knew the law, like, oh, yeah, that's five years. And then the money laundering charge carries zero to 20. No, zero to 20. There's no mandatory minimum on money laundering. It's zero to 20. And that's why they weren't able to give me no time

time, and they just ran it together. I didn't even want that count for real. I was like, yo, why don't they just take the count off? Or they're going to drop the money laundering? Well, they're not dropping it, because I'm still pleading out to it. And they're running it concurrent, not consecutively. That's when the feds were getting into grouping. You know, they'll group your charge together. If there's no minimum

mandatory on it or whatever, they'll give you whatever amount of time and just run it together. And you're also a first time offender. Correct. I was never a felon before ever. I didn't take no safety valve. And that was another thing. I didn't even know about the safety valve like that because my lawyer wasn't even

on that. He was like, listen, man, we ain't doing no telling, but this is a hundred key. This is a five-year mandatory minimum case. They want 10 years. I was like, why they want 10? How they can get 10? He's like, because it's a thousand kilograms. It triggers that.

Okay, there's no proof to say that it was a thousand kilograms on my side, right? But accounted for, when they put the cocaine inside of my buddy's case, it was all in a discovery where they was like, okay, he's responsible for 120 keys. Because when I met my man, I never seen a brick. You know what I'm saying? Like during my tenure with him, I never seen no brick. I wasn't fucking with coke, but this is what it was. He was trading the weed for coke. So instead of him returning the money to the H.A., they wanted bricks because they was born for $60,000 to brick up in Canada.

So shit, nigger, here's $2 million in weed, return me $2 million in Coke, however you can do it. We're making $60,000 a brick up here for that. So that's where the exchange came from. He would take the money, go to his supply, a round-up bricks, and send them back up there. Had nothing to do with me. I was just a marijuana hub. What year did you go to prison? 2012.

I got indicted in 2011. Where did they end up sending you? When I first started my time, I went to, when I did get a bond. I want to speak on that first, right? I got locked up. I got a bond. They had me in Folton County Jail. And then I went to Lovejoy.

Lovejoy is the holding facility outside of Atlanta. for all federal cases and federal inmates. I sat there for two weeks. Two bond hearings. The first bond hearing, I didn't get a bond because they told me that they were still trying to find assets,

quote unquote. So we went back to court again. It was like with my main attorney was the first bond hearing was with this public defendant, motherfucker that because my lawyer wasn't in town. When I got locked up, he went to speak for me.

And I was like, man, I ain't going to get no bond. This is motherfucker right here. You know what I mean? But it turns out he actually was pretty good when I went down the road. It was like, man, you had Perry? I was like, yeah, but I got rid of him. I got,

lots in them. You know, he's like, man, Perry good, though, man. He should have kept him. And I was like, yeah, whatever. The second time I went back to court, they dressed me out. They gave me my dealer's track suit and everything. And I went to court. So dude on the van was like, shit, man, you're feeling to go home. I was like, what you're talking about? How you figured? They were like, shit, look how you dressed out.

We all got the orange on? And I was like, well, I had been to court for a bail hearing before they didn't give me my clothes. So it's time that gave my clothes. I go to show you how fucked up the system isn't fixed because my lawyer had already put that pain and, and yo, we're going to get him out. We're going to do a song and dance in court, but he's going to need to get a bond. And I end up getting the bond. I was on bond for 10 months, 11 months because one of my co-defendants was telling.

The longer you stay on bond, just know that the co-defendants be out the door. If you're not telling, you're on bond for 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 months, somebody else is telling. So they're trying to round up as much information they can before they look to sentence you. You know what if they can get any more. So, and I pled to the known and unknown. That's another thing I want to tell if the people watch him. When you catch a federal case, your lawyer should be good enough. If he's not good enough

and he doesn't bring this up, he should say, hey, we take a plea agreement, we need to plead to the known and unknown. And I was like, what the fuck does that mean? That means exactly that. You know how many people go up the road with two years in prison or even 10 years in prison? And then now they got this other motherfucker

that they'd have caught eight months later. Oh man, I was getting 20 keys from Ian. Or Ian locked up. Yeah, I know. But he was given to me before. Oh, really? Okay, great. Now here they come.

You get the pay for R&D. You know what I got a new case? What the fuck is this? That's where that come from, right? plead to the known and unknown, they can't come back with none of that shit. So that was very, very smart. So when I first started my time,

I had self-surrender. When I got sentenced, I got sentenced to mandatory minimum, 60 months, and I got self-surrendered, and they sent me, they didn't even send me the letter. My probation officer called me and said, hey, you're supposed to turn yourself

into the facility. I'd never forget. It was April 17th, 2012. I had just come back from Miami, because mind you, now I got sentenced, I'm running around, I'm trying to fuck everything.

I'm trying to make sure all my business is and all of that. And I'm like, I don't know the clock ticking. I don't know how long it takes. I'm talking to some of the bros. Yeah, man, it should take about 30 days for the cover, 45 days, you'll get the letter.

So I'm just based on our experience. I didn't get no letter. I didn't get the letter because they sent it to the wrong address. We verified that later, but the probation officer called me from a black number. I looked at the number. I was like, hmm. Check the voicemail.

Hey, Mr. Tyler, this is Mrs. Moore, U.S. probation. Hey, the facility gave us the call, said you hadn't turned yourself in yet. I'm like, oh, my God. I said, hey, on the way. They're on the way right now. I was all right.

Keep calm. Let me go grab a few dollars. Grab all my charges. Jump in one in the car. I got one shoe on. I'm getting out the crib because I'm thinking they're on the way. I get out of there. I call my lawyer.

Hey, bro, listen, they're supposed to turn myself to jail. Can you call these lady? I'm going to call her three-way. Do something. I call a probation officer back. And I call my lawyer. I said, Ms. Moore, I'm not running or anything. What do you mean?

I'm supposed to be in jail? Oh, you didn't get the letter? I said, no. Can you verify it? Yeah, let me call the marshal. I think, cool. to Atlanta Street, not drive a circle court. And you know what I mean?

Whatever was mixed up with the address. And the bottom line is that I never got it. So they said, you got two choices. I said, okay, let me hear this. They said, you can turn yourself in tomorrow, mind you, it was the Thursday. You can turn yourself in tomorrow and we can drive you down to the facility. I'm like, where am I going? Or you're going to Jessup, Georgia, Jessup Federal Correctional Institution.

I was like, okay, I've never heard of Jessup day in my fucking life. Okay, cool, whatever. Asking people, what the fuck that's that, man? She's five hours down the road. I was like, okay, what's my second option? or you can turn yourself into the prison yourself, you know, next week. I'm talking next week, of course. Monday, I'll be there bright and early with bells on.

You know what I mean? No pressure. You're giving me a heads up too? Great. Got myself together. I drove down there five-hour drive, man, you know, and I stopped at the Western Union, put me $3,500 on the books real quick. You know what I'm saying?

My OGs had told me, oh, bro, we'll load up the Western Union real quick for you get there. So you can ask nobody for nothing. I was like, I got you. Cool. Go down there, drop $3,500 in the Western Union, this little bitty-ass supermarket. they had, thank God, before I got to Jessup. I go down to Jessup, Georgia's where I started my time at.

Jessup, satellite low in Jessup, Georgia. Then I went to the camp. Then I left from there and went to Maxwell. They wasn't giving all the time off. I was not giving all the time off of the drug program? You, send me back. I got 160 people at this camp. I just love it's sweet over there.

Send me back. They sent me back after three or four months, and I went back on a furlough. That's all this fed shit, sweet. That's why I'm saying, yo, this is so sweet. You like, I'm glad I went behind the wall because it's like, I probably wouldn't have learned my lesson for real, you know what I mean?

Because it was just so sweet, bro, we're going to the hotel. We're fucking good. I'm talking about our girls is coming up there and they're meeting us out. You know, we bought out after 10 o'clock count. Shit like a racetrack. Because the security car, you know what I mean? Or whatever is going around the medium.

It's driving around the medium. We're testing the times. We're on the times. I bet, yo. All right, y'all got the lookout. Y'all watching Jackson. All right, cool. And he's got the Bluetooth in like this.

I bet, yo, go, go, go. We're shooting across a field. Ass and elbows. We get up over there, right? Boom, we fly. We got the greens on. So we fold up in the bushes and all that real quick. We got the basketball shorts under it.

We take the motherfuck fucking pants off, everything. I-I. My girl come out there. She got the suburban. And his girl is there with her. Me and my partner, we go jump in the car. Boom. Whether we're picking up packages or whether we go on to the hotel.

Pick up packages, go to the hotel. The first time I went to the hotel, thank God. My man gave me half a Cialis. Thank God. You understand what I'm saying? I was so nervous. I just escaped from prison. I couldn't get,

yo, pause. I couldn't get hard. I'm trying to fuck my bitch. You know what I'm like? Oh my shit, calm down. I was like, I can't calm down. I can't calm down

because if these things catch me, oh my God, I only got five years. You know what I'm saying? Whatever. Okay, turn this into no dime. You know what I mean?

But I call my man back in jail. Yo, bro, ain't good. You're good. We're chilling, bro. We shoot and pool. And, oh boy, got his head, got his eyes on Jefferson.

We're straight, bro. Do your thing. You got an hour and 40 minutes. I popped to Seattle's Got real right Cool Boom got back to prison Mind you

We was going to the hotel Two, three, four times a month And the girl would come show up on visit You know what I'm saying the next day And I mean I was in there With Willie Joseph Played for New York Giants That's why I said

Oh these niggas ain't These niggas ain't immune And they wasn't getting no money I'm gonna keep it a hundred with you We ain't getting no money on There was NFL players in there broke I'm talking about man I'm talking about him

I said bro where is you want a ring Where that money on that? You ain't got no money? Oh, and you were in prison? What you were in prison for? Oh, man, tax crime. A tax crime. Oh, you're trying some tax fraud?

Oh, you're bozos. That's why the NFL not for long. Shout out of my brother Ariz Moreau. Ariz Moro, he played for the Carolina Panthers, and he broke his neck. He had some money on. They gave him 10 years for a gun and some crack. But he has some money yawning and broke his neck, God, the league, whatever. But Willie Joseph played for the Giants and the Raiders.

I'm in there with these niggas. And I'm like, yo, you niggas not immune. And then what's my man's name? Freddie Mitchell, played for the Philadelphia Eagles. he in there with me. We got word. You know, how you get word when somebody comes to the prison?

Yo, man, or Frady Mitchell get ready? Come out, what the fuck is that? I don't follow sports. He's a man. He played for the Eagles. He's on Sports Center. I said, why the fuck he coming to federal prison then?

Pulled it up. He tried to use somebody social to get some tax money or whatever the fuck he was doing. I thought he's a bum. I had to put my hands on him because he told, so at this time, I'm like two and a half years in

at the same location. So I got people on deck. The guards fucking with me. The councilors, the case managers from the low. They're coming over there, fucking with me. Like, yo, we fuck with Tyler. Tyler, good, people solid. It's people solid.

Come see him. He follow all the rules. He pay his way. You know what I'm saying? Whatever. And he know how to be. So he ain't never a problem. Cool. Getting loved there. So I'm the town driver. Like I told you, I'm driving over and I'm dropping off the trash from the medium. And I got the pickup truck. I got the Bluetooth in my ear. I'm having my way.

Shout out Justin, man. I had my way at that prison. I ain't going to hold you. But my counselor. Shout out my man, E. Mallor, too. E. Mallor. Eric Mallet. He retired now. Whatever. You know, he was my counselor, and that crooked-ass agent was calling the fucking federal prison for me. He called the prison to my counselor, call me now, my fourth month in.

He said, man, why the FBI calling here for you, the country? Why would I call him here for you? I was like, what you mean? He's like, some fellow named Dante called to ask if you were here. I'm like, what? Damn, he's still fucking with it in here? You know what I got my time? What you want now?

You know what? He's like, yeah, you're fixing to get some more time, buddy. I was like, what? What you mean? No, not me. I'm still a fed baby. Like, I'm not really knowing. Like, this is how they play?

They call the jail to harass you, or I don't know. I call my lawyer. Yo, bro, why is, why the agent calling? You're all right. You're just probably doing some bullshit. Listen, if it was any more charges, they would tell me. You're fine. So I say, yo, I couldn't believe this because when I see Mallet, I'm dropping off the trash.

And Mallet said to me, he said, hey, man, you might want to lay low a little bit. I was like, what happened? Like they say, yeah, somebody says you the man with the phones. I was like, what? Who said that? Because I ain't the man with the phones, but why wouldn't somebody say that? Who said that? He hit me with this one.

And I was like, oh, shit. That means football player. Hizeman trophy type shit. And I said, I know it ain't. What you call it, there? It got to be this new motherfucker, man. I jump back in the truck. Just so happy he running the track at the camp.

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I say, yo, Fred, Frater, let me out of that you real quick. He jogging, like, what's up, bro? What's up? All one hand. straight up. Stop running your fucking mouth. He was like, dude, what you're doing?

I know what you're doing. What you mean when I'm doing? Me and you're going to leave this bitch. He's playing with me, boy, you ran my name with him. What you doing? I didn't say anything. Hey, he's stuttering and all that.

I said, bro, let me tell you something. And if you say something, it's going to be even worse than that. So let me tell you something. Mind your fucking business. And stop talking to the fucking cops. I told you already, when you got that shot for being on a three-way,

I walked you in there to my counselor. And I told him, look out for you. You're an NFL player. You don't know the rules. Don't give him a shot. It was a three-way call. He knows now.

You know, you can put that kind of work in. You know what I mean? Like, you go tell the case, man, the count. Don't write him a shot, man. He ain't know nobody. He's with us. You know what I mean? Like that type of thing.

All right. No more three-way calls, buddy. You know what I'm saying? Like that, and we leave out the office. You know how they do. Some of them is hard-ass. Some of them cool. So, yeah, like, that was like one of the only incidents.

I really, really had myself in there. I had another incident, too. I had to get busy in Yazoo. Yeah, man, I was on Con Ed with this one motherfucker named Casey Dickerson, man And he turned out he was a chomigotty I ain't know I ain't know I'm on the plane we shackled up on Con Ed we we fly in We fly in Oklahoma So at the time the law doesn't change now

I'm like oh shit I'm getting ready to get out even sooner man fuck that the law That's this one time when they was talking about the mandatory minimums and stuff like that or whatever I was supposed to get adjusted But it didn't apply to me it only applied if you took the safety now you know what I mean or you rat it I was like how the rats get the credit even more on a new program

and the niggas that stay solid don't get nothing that's wild to me well I'm glad I only got a nickel I ain't tripping I got 11 months level let's ride you know what I'm at the time

I'm in my bed now you know I'm rocking the roll and I ain't tripping about nothing having a blast we got the deep friar and I got stogies to smoke I got lighted by I got everything cell phones iPads

I'm having my way ain't nothing this shit gonna ride out good viszo every week going on the dance floor crispy I got that energy what's up with y'all

what's what I come on My mom's in them like, and my girls were like, yo, you got such high energy. We think we come in to inspire you. And you inspiring us, you know? But anyway, it was a thing where, like, when it came down to it, man, I couldn't believe that this motherfucker was next to me. And I was like, yo, man, you got to get some love on that. You're going to get love on it. You know, guys be talking.

You can get some love on the crack law? You know, like that type of thing. Whatever, the law had changed. I was like, yo, shit, you probably get some love on the crack law or get some love on the drug reduction. It was a drug. It was a sentencing table reduction. That's what it was, it's for the drug amounts. And he said, oh, man, oh, shit, man, I ain't get nothing off, man.

I was like, why? I'm thinking I'm all here with a gangster. I'm thinking, oh, he didn't get money, nigga. He didn't get money, nigginskin. He's not getting money, a nigga. He's a little girl, man, said, I raped her. And I'm like, looking at him. I'm like, I've been in the system already a little bit now.

So I'm like, oh, man, I don't even want to be talking to you for real no more. But watch this. He said, I said, man, what happened, bro? Like that, you know, he told me. He said, man, I'm on a cruise ship with my wife, man. I said, what's the real story, bro? You know what I mean? He told me the real.

That shit doesn't sound right. So the real story was this. He went on a cruise ship. You're in international waters. That's why you're in federal prison. You're on a cruise ship. So all my people that's out there in a cruise ship look for what you do. You're in the middle of somewhere in the United States.

You will go to federal prison for doing any fuckery on a cruise ship. For robbery to rape, you're going to the fence. That's how it worked. Anyway, the guy was on a cruise ship. His wife with his wife. His room was right. by the bar. His room was by the club. You know, the nightclub area, and you have rooms that are

close to that. So he said it was kind of noisy. So the cruise people say, all right, we'll give you this other room. Take the new key. But they didn't, they didn't deactivate the old one. So his wife is upstairs sleep in the new room, minding her business. This weirdo-ass nigger coming down by the bar and he down there was kids trying to get a drink. You know what I mean? Kids are 14, 15 years old. You know, man, see if you give me some drinks, you know, all the drinks is free on the cruise ship. So you're like,

man, he said, give us some drinks. I'd have told them goofy niggas, get out of here. You know what I mean? and whatever, go find some way to do something to do. He ain't going to do that because he ain't a real one. Real one told him, get out of here. You know what he'd do? Oh, man. Oh, yeah, they got a little white girl with us.

It's two girls, one guy. One of the guys got a girl right there, right? And he's another guy, and it's another girl right there. Young girl, a kid. You know what I mean? He gets them alcohol. He says, oh, man, y'all want somewhere to drink? Shit, I got a room right here.

Let's go in here and go drink. You go in a room to go drink in a spare room, and they never cut the key off. So really, at the end of the day, that's a lawsuit for the, for the cruise ship, they were able to cut that key off. Had they not cut that key off, that little white girl

wouldn't have got raped, supposedly. So what happened was the little boy went in the bathroom with the other kid, with the other little girl, and then this is what, he finally let me read

the paperwork too when we could end up going to the same yard, hence where I'm telling you why we got an incident. So the little girl ends up going back to the room disheveled,

her hair looked a little crazy. Her dad was like, what's wrong with you? You know what I mean? Like, oh, nothing? He looked down, see a little blood. down by a pelvic area, you know what I mean, or whatever like that.

And he's like, yo, you know, her crotch area or whatever. He's like, yo, what the fuck going on? Presta. Oh, man, I was downstairs in the room with this guy and the, she spilled the beans. Whether it was consensual or not. I don't know if a fuck. A motherfucker is a kid is not consensual, period. I mean, fuck what it is.

Like, you're out of pocket. You ain't able to be doing that, period. He goes, they tell a captain, captain, you know, calls the federal police, basically. So when they dock back in Florida, they was there to pick him up. And we go to, we end up going to the same yard in Yazu, Mississippi. So that motherfucker running with the Florida car. You know what? He went to the Florida car.

I don't say nothing. I like, you know what, I ain't going to blast him. I'm going to keep it cool. I'm minding my business. I got 11 months left. I ain't hanging with him. So it is what it is. So the Florida car is start doing a little chatty.

Oh, my man said he got here for a gun charge. Oh, where did he told me he ain't here for drugs? Oh, so he's lying around the board. I'm just hearing the talks. He said, yo, I'm in the bathroom one day, shaving. Mind of my business. Mind of my business. He's saying, he's walking for me.

He got the little gold in his mouth. He's saying, man, shit, man, we're supposed to be better than this, bro. I was like, better than what? What you're talking about? Man, you went out here telling people that I'm a chomo? I was like, telling him, you're out here telling people about my case? I was like, talking about your case. Bro, no, no, no.

What about your fuck about your case, bro? He said nothing, bro. What are you talking about? The shit you told me on the plane? The case that I read? No, bro. Because I'd put you in danger. I ain't been a man.

talking about you said something to say about I said bro I'm not going back and forth what you what we're doing bro this prison I'm not doing all that jarjacket what you're probably what you doing what you're going to hit the back wall I said say less we're doing no talking you're talking to me for still let's get to the back wall he needs a workout 200,000 burpees and all that shit I got something for that though ain't no trip so when we get to the back wall mind you we even make it to the back wall we made it to the other side of the bathroom you know one side of the bathroom got the sinks and all that and other side got the urinals so as soon as we go back turn around as soon as he turn around I went up top on

As soon as he turned around, two bowls, took him up top, grabbed him. He grabbed me instead of falling, and I pushed him into the motherfucking bathroom store. Put my knee on his neck, had him on the side of the toilet. Baby shots. Stop playing with me. Baby shots. You know what I'm talking about? Little speed knots.

Florida niggas came in there. Yo, get up off him, jerse. Get up off from jurors. I'm like, man, get off me. More speed knots because he played with me. Okay. I got up off him. We both went to our cells.

You know what I'm saying? Or whatever like that. Boom back to our rooms and shit. Boom, boom. He buttoned up. Got a little not here, not there. Boom. It's over with.

Cool. I thought it was over with. He ain't over with. You know what I mean? He wants some get back. You understand what I'm saying? Mind you. This happened on a Thursday or Friday.

Saturday happens. Sunday happens. Sunday, me and my man, him, Phil. He was doing 22 years. Me and him, we're working out doing two a days. I got like three months left. So we're going hard. You know what I'm saying?

Whatever, wind sprints, all this, all that. Speed ropes, everything. Come back from the yard on the Sunday. Mind you, the lights are still off, you know, because it ain't 12. 12 o'clock yet, you know, and they turn the lights on the dorm on at the low of the Yazoo at 12 o'clock. So I go grab my shower bag. You know the routine.

Get my chair, my shower bag, my slides. Boom, boom. I already sweating and anything, too. So let me go on over to the bathroom showers. I go to the showers. Boom, put my, you know, take a shower. Come out of the shower. Grab my chair, mind you, walking back to my cell.

Boom, boom, boom, walk past the computers. You know the vibe, walk past the phones. And more, when I go back to my room, I'm like three or four room. And boom, go home. I'm sitting down on my bed. I got a single bunk. I got a single bunk on the side. And I got a two-man.

I got a two-man bunk right here. And it's a single. But it's only me and my room. He's standing in it, right? Bro, I got the towel over my head like this. I got the lotion. You know what I'm talking about cocoa butter and shit. I'm going in, you know what I'm making sure I get my shit right and all that.

You know, get myself together. You know what about? Brough. This nigga came. Let me tell you something. He must have drew this punch from fucking Arkansas. Like, as hard as he hit me, no bullshit. He's supposed to knock me the fuck out.

He hit me really hard. But the thing was, I had the towel over my head. So it's softened the blow. And he had gloves on. But I didn't know who it was. When I got rocked, boom, rocked me. I said, ooh, like, I felt it. I felt it.

You know what I said, whatever? And I kind of, like, rolled. I kind of like, when he hit me, boom. I was like, oh, shit. And I rolled. The towel was kind of over my head. And it's still kind of over my head. When I rolled and I got up, I just grabbed.

like that. I grab them. I look down. I'm thinking I'm about to see like two, three sets of feet. I see one set of feet. Oh, I start going crazy. I'm just swinging everything I got.

You know what I don't know because it's dark in there. Bruh, he busts my nose. When he had hit me, he had busts my nose, a little blood coming out so blood splatting a little bit, this and that, but I'm getting busy in there.

We move in furniture, locker, chair, everything. Boom, we're just wrestling hard, throwing punches. Brut-da-da-da-don. No, nothing really happened to nobody between me and him, just a tussle, for real,

for real, for real, but it was a real strong tussle. And after that happened, he ran out the room. Under the camera, but my room sat right under the camera. So they cut all the lights on from the commotion and they came and grabbed both of us, sent us to the hole. Needless to say, boy, it was through the vent.

Because I was strong on the yard. Dude was through the vent like, yo, man, we're supposed to be better than this, man. Oh, nah, nigger. No, no, no, you need to talk to God. Don't talk to me, bro. I promise you, nigger. When you come back out on that yard,

we'll be talking through the vent. When you come back on that yard, your top coming off. Just know that, bro. You play with me like that. You ain't give me a head up? Like, I get you a head up. At least we were standing up and all that.

I got the towel over my head. You come steal me, sneak. That's sucker shit. You're going to come give me a fade. Ask me for the one. You understand? You might as well have got a knife. You know what I mean?

I'm not looking. Paying. I'm paying attention. That sucker shit. We don't do that. Head up thing, bro. Get the flawed and niggas. I'm going to get the niggas from the town.

And me and you're going to meet on the back wall. What are we doing? You don't do that. Because you ain't how to win. all that, work it out and all that shit, don't mean nothing because you pussy. That was the whole thing. And he got off on me, plus my nose, da-da-da,

we go to the thing. He didn't come back to the yard. He wrote a letter to the ward and wanted to get shipped. You feel me? I stayed in the whole two weeks behind that sucker shit. Casey Dickerson, he still doing 20 years for, well, he might be home now, I don't know, but yeah, for child molestation or rape or whatever.

He was a whole... I'm surprised they never checked his paperwork. That was another, you know, why? Because it wasn't a pin yard. One, two, it wasn't a step-down yard, neither, but it was a low. So low, and then Yazoo got the medium too. And at the medium, they'd check paperwork all day long to be in the Florida car.

But at the low, all the niggas that's at the low, like Miami niggas and all that, they're going to try to stick together because there's more resources that way. How much time did you end up doing in total on the five? Four years, no, three years, 11 months. Okay, so you got a year and hour. You got 13 months off. No, I ain't get no time off. This is how my time works.

So 60 months, you serve in prison, three years, 11 months. I would have served two years, 11 months if I took the Ardap program. Because you got a number 85% And plus I got eight months Halfway House But you got 13 months off your sentence Yeah, well I got them off Well, between the halfway house

And all that year For sure, you don't have to serve those months So yeah so I did yeah So I did three years, 11 months Only 60 months So you got out when like 2015? 16 January December 1st, 2015 is when I came on

I always say January 16 because it was one month But December 1st, 2015 I went to the halfway house in Atlanta I stayed there for three months February, March and April I was supposed to go on the end ankle monitor in March.

They took my good time away when I got to the halfway house for that phone. He never took my good time. Fuck me over. I got my plans. I got the ankle. I'm thinking I'm going to get ready. Go home. Council called me. He said, no, they just calculated that loss of that 41 days. So you'll go home next month on April. You go home. I said, man, it's some bullshit. So I stayed in that whole other month.

But I was doing my thing in the halfway house. You're always doing your thing. Man, $1,000. I had that $100,000 $6.50 sitting in the driveway. One thousand is sitting in the parking lot. I'm telling you, real rat. When I used to call me $6.50 at the Halfway house. Councilors. And I was borrowing the niggas hold money.

The counselors, the people that was at the front desk and all that doing the piss test, they were short in the pocket. I'm coming in. I got the chunk on me. I still got money put up. So I'm just digging in the safe take a few thousand on here and there. When I go home and you'll have somebody meet me, you'll come bring me that bread. I'm on my way to work.

You know, I can't think. Stop. That type of shit. But it asks me to borrow 200, 300, shit like that, even inside the halfway house. And I told them, like, bro, I don't smoke. And I don't drink. So I'm paying you. I don't give up.

well, you don't have to worry about no piss test Tyler. I don't give a fuck about that because I'm not smoking. I'm trying to get out of this shit, period. I want no problem. I'm going to work a job and I'm going to get out the way. Money ain't a problem. I'm set up already. That's the reason why I put money up so I wouldn't be like these motherfuckers that come home with zero.

Have you held true to that? Have you stayed out of trouble? 1,000 percent. I ain't touched a hot TV. Feel me? I don't want stolen cable. I don't want none of that shit. I don't want, listen.

And I'm telling you not that I'm scared straight is that I'm scared focused. You know what I'm saying? I'm to the point where, like, when I came home, it's clarity, bro. It's clarity like, yo, you know what? And it's therapy for me. Let me tell you why I mainly watch, not even just your show. But I watched like 60 days in and locked up and all. I watch all of that shit.

You know why? Because it's therapy. And I even go to singing, I even go to sentences sometime. Like I have my sister pull up some court cases. Like, yo, find out how much time he can get in real quick. That's too much. No, it ain't. No, no, no, no.

Listen, you got to go there. They realize they're still giving out decades. Siddy like, oh, yeah. They just gave him to 291 months for what? Yeah, okay, cool. Yeah, I know I didn't want to stay up to do that pod or do this report or do this brand. Fuck that. I'm doing it.

Because I ain't going back. And it's the thing. If I go back, I'm going to put my pain in it for real. Like, you're going to say, for real. I'm going to do it for real. Like, I did it for real last time. But I'm going to take the chance what I know, what I know now. Come on, man.

No, my gift is too great. And a lot of people that's in prison right now, they got so many gifts. you know, they end up, you know, showing them at the welding shop and showing them at the leather shop. You're supposed to be out here in the world because people in prison got so many resources in the brain. It's like, you're running a ticket. That's why I tell the guys when I'm talking to them. Sometimes I go to different jails and I talk to people and I say, you're running a ticket. You're cutting out the slips.

You're finding out the scores, the spreads, you're collecting, you're placing bets. You guys are running a Fortune 500-like structure here. Why the fuck can't you do this when you come home? This same energy that you got, put it into whatever you're gifted. is. But you don't do that. You'd rather jump over a dollar to get to a penny thinking that the penny is a dollar, but it's not. Oh man, we're going to put the player circle back

together. Niggas out. When I came home, they was like, yo, bro, we got to put it back together. Nigga, you ready? No, I'm not doing none of that. Why? Because those same people who said, was I ready? They went back to prison. You know what I'm saying? Meanwhile, I'm on TV and shit like that. People watching love and hip hop. I hate that you speak on that, but

I was on Love and Hipop four seasons and people was in prison. Like, yo, calling me. Yo, nigga, I just see you, bro. No, no, nah, you can I still got my spot. And Yazu, like, wherever I gave my chair to you know how I'd go with the spot. We was watching the game. We was watching loving hip-hop and watching whatever, like, back-to-back

shows on a Monday night. So loving hip-hop was a thing. That's a main, another reason why I did the show because all my niggas that I was in there with, yo, y'all see I ain't playing. You know, you know, I'm too. It's how y'all can see me. You know what I mean? Or whatever. And they was calling me like, yo, I heard your voice, bro. I'm listening to shit through my headphones. I said, but that sounds like, boy, they used to be here from Jersey.

man that is him you know what I'm saying so it was like that's the only proud part about me even being on love and hip hop was that like my guys that's behind the wall can know that it's possible you know what I mean like I came home in 20 to say 2016 and I ended up on TV less than 10 years later and I put my work and I won Grammys you know I sold 50 million records you know since I've been home from prison I've been the president of the record labels publishing companies and been thriving in the business of music because it's about relationship same thing I get things to buy thousands of pounds of weed I get them to buy millions of records and It's all through relationship. So now, do you think younger you would listen to this advice that you're sharing right now that you learned? Digestable, yes, because it's digestible. You can't listen to somebody tell you how to do something if they never did it. That's the main problem, Mike. People are taking education and taking notations from people who ain't never did nothing. How are you going to tell me how to make a million dollars and you never even made it?

How are you going to tell me how to do this with pot? It's like somebody coming in and saying, hey, man, listen, you can make $90 million with the podcast. Oh, yeah, tell me about your pot. Oh, I never had one. I always tell people the people that have six-figure earner in their bio or something, they ain't making six figures. Any one of them, you know? Right, none of them.

None of them. That's why everybody can tell you how to do it, but they never did it. Yeah, all those girls, there's very few. There are a couple that are doing it real, but the people that have to brag about it and talk about it and say all that, it's all over-gazing. And you're teaching me how to do something that you have not done yet. That's the crazy part of the teachers that are in classrooms. How are you teaching me how to do something when you're not in the field doing it?

Let me tell you what you're doing. You're teaching me. Meanwhile, there's somebody out there really doing it in real time. So when you tell me them old rules in third period or this class right here, those rules is old. That applies six years ago. The game changed every 90 days. You need to be in the paint. If you're in the paint, you can tell me.

But you're not in the paint. So how can you tell me anything? So I'm going to come out here with this degree in your teachings, and I'm going to end up working a fucking job at corporate. office for Walmart, making $95,000 a year like a schmuck. Respectfully, I'm just saying. You know what I mean? You went to school for economics and business administration.

You're supposed to get taught business administration, how to open a business, start a business, fund a business, bootstraper business, market a business, brand of business, return on a business, ROI, KVIs. You have so many different things inside of it. Or the business of whatever that you're in. I'm in the business of music. So I know everything about publishing.

I know everything about masters. I know everything about collections. I know things about negotiation and posturing, doing deals. This is what I do for a fucking living. So when you do something for a living, you should be able to tell people how to live in doing what they do when you do it for a living. Drop the mic.

That's it. Drop the mic. Mike drop, right? Well, Kai, I appreciate you coming on the show, man. This was awesome. Oh, man. Oh, we finally got to do this. All right, I got to tell you one story, though.

This is a story because you didn't ask me, let me tell you. So as a kid, I was locked up with a, and that's why I say, the transit is a different story. Going to Oklahoma. You've been in transit before? Yeah, I went to Oklahoma. Oh, my God.

Bro, let me tell you something. Of course, your feet never touched the fucking. We already know that. They put you in a bullpen with a bunch of bulls and wolves and you could be a sheep. For example, right? You're 180 people in here. You can't even see the toilet. Right?

So anyway, I'm in Oklahoma. They put me in a room with this crazy motherfucker. Let me just tell you this story. You got to hear this because everybody I tell the story to me want me to run it back, right? So I go on Oklahoma. You know, when you walk in, you get your mattress, your cup and all that and you walk through and they put you in your respective dorms. If you ain't a gang member and go to the front of the thing, they're going to mix you up with

everybody else. It's cool. Whatever. So I goes in this motherfucker And the counselor, his bald headlights can do Forget his name. Anyway, the point was that, you know, they're checking paperwork too.

You know what I mean? And whatever, like, yo, you ain't hot so I can put you in the room with this guy right here. Takes me to the first cell on the bottom and it's a dude in there. He got glasses on and looks skinny, just like, you know, unassuming.

You know what I mean? Like, whatever. He's like, Mossburg. This Tyler right here, man. He's from Jersey, man. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, I'm going to put y'all in here together. He's like, oh, hi, he good?

yeah you ain't good paperwork straight I'm looking at the cows and like this oh you want of them too uh I don't know you gotta watch him this is what it is what it is so I'm in there Marsburg is his name that's why they call me Mossburg the riot pump

I'm looking at this motherfucker like whoa he's from San Diego somewhere so watch this no tattoos on his arms and I'm gonna speak on that for a reason because he says something to me later on so he's really crazy crazy shit

I'm sitting in my I'm sitting in the room a new bus just came in right guy or train or plane or whatever the guys come in he's like man everybody give a fuck about a child and care of a facility and shit

they're going to me I'll give a fuck about none of that you know what I give a fuck about bro you know I care about Sally I was like what is that I don't know what the area come out of now he's going his sock

and he pulls out of vial he can't fuck about this heron right here I'm saying oh my God I'm just in my head like oh my god like this is crazy he looking through the window or the door

people coming off the thing so they crack the doors when they crack the doors he called some random dude he was random to me but it wasn't random to him apparently they was at another prison together he calls him in the room

Spanish do obviously he ain't no Serrano nor thanio or none of that because the dorm that we was in was like full of a bunch of neutral guys you know what I'm saying maybe a couple Texas syndicate dudes

I think was in there but regardless when the dude he wasn't none of that because the dude went to did this if he was any of that the dude he called him to the room yo come here for a second and when he get past the threshold

of the door he yanked this motherfucker in the room pushed him to the side and lift him up off his fucking feet and said, where the fuck is my shit? Like this? He was like, bro, I got it. You got to stop it. He said, oh, he let him go, man, dropped to the ground.

I'm on the top bunk. Because, of course, he gave me the rules. I'm on the bottom bump. You're on the top bunk. Ain't no, ain't no, man, when you're down, when you're down, when you're pissing, I don't want here, grown man, pitch. You got to flush the toilet.

You know, all the rules. Old school jail, dink him. He ain't look like that. He just real militant with the rules. Anyway, picked this dude up, dropped him. Dude was crying. He went in the shoe, pulled out some shit, gave it to him. I'm minding my business, right?

Went to do, he threw the dude out the room. Watch how this work. I thought I was going to have to fight for my life, bro. Respectfully, I ain't, but listen, I'm like, a couple weeks ago by, I'm in the room with this man for like another week, week and a half, two weeks before it boil over. He's talking to me one day. We're in the room, he said, yeah, man, so I'm in Williamsburg, man.

No, I was in Lee Kelly. He's telling me a story about him getting into a long-standing fight with this guy. Anyway, I'm trying to ad-lib him. I'm telling him, oh, yeah, I feel you. I feel, he's like, yo, yo, don't cut me off. I'm like, huh? Okay, keep talking. He's like, yeah, man, so, you know, me and him touch him.

We got it. We're doing this, we're doing that. And I'm into the stories. I'm like, oh, okay, I feel you. He's like, bro, bro, don't do that, bro. I'm a shut down. It's going to get real different. And don't cut me off no more.

I'm sharing some shit with you that's real near and dim. I'm looking at this motherfucker like, what the fuck type of human being is this? This motherfucker is a nut. It's a nut. Now here I go. The door locked. Now, it's put up a shut up.

Feel me? Like, this motherfucker, he might got that knife with him. He'd been in jail 13, 14, he got 50 years for blowing somebody head off in a 7-11. 50 boy, he told me. You know what I mean? He's like, man,

yo, I told you don't cut me off. I'm thinking he can get ready to do something now. Now I sit up on a day like this. I sit up. I say, so what you're saying then, bro? I'm trying to, I'm adding a little, bro. You're telling me a story, and I'm giving you reactions.

What the fuck is the problem, bro? What you're talking about? I had to go out. I didn't know how that was going to come off. I thought he was going to get that knife. I didn't know what it was, but I had to stand up. You know what I'm saying? And I was like, man, ain't going to sucker now.

Fuck all that. I don't got a couple bucks left, but you ain't no bitch. You know, you heard of me? We're not doing that. So his reaction to me when I said, yo, so what you're saying, bro? Like, you know, when I was on that, he was like, I'm just saying, man, I'm going to shut down and get quiet.

Oh, all right. No, I'm saying, I'm like that. I said, oh, my God. Thank God, because I thought I was going to have to rumble with money in this small-ass cell and might just go there. You feel me? That right there was a different experience. The only time I ever felt like away, like, damn, I ain't got no blicky on me.

This thing is doing handstands on his head with the blood rush to his head on his boxers, he upside down in the cell. And then so after we got in that conversation, when I woke up, he was already up. You know what he said? He said, man, when you land on your stomach, man, you don't do no snoring, but when you're on your side, you'll be snoring. I'm taking that way offensive. Are you watching me while I sleep, my guy?

Watch this. So one of my GD partners came in there, one of my big homie, big mo, he's from that side, and he told him I was in the holding joint. He can't look for me, you know what I'm saying? GD dude, can't look for me. I ain't in no gang, but, you know, the gang members fuck with me. They're like, yo, what's up, more love, told me come holl at you, man, you good? I was like, yeah, yeah, when you stay in that?

I'm like, man, over here. And the thing, he was like, well, who? That tall nigga with the glasses? Oh, yeah, yeah, all right. Man, I'm over here. I ain't got no cellar. You're going to come stay with me.

I was like, oh, my God. Thank God. You all that or whatever, right? Because watch this. He went in my room, got my mattress, got everything, and took it to his room, and we're playing cards.

I'm playing cards with my nigga from Iowa. The dude seen that happen, Mossburg, he started walking around the car table a little bit. Like, he was sweeping the shit. I'm like, what the fuck? What this thing are doing? You know what I'm thinking you're ready to do something. I said, I'm going over to his new cell anyway.

Uh-uh. When I thought I was going to sell, you know, the counselor told me, ah, nah, Tyler, you got to go back in your original cell and then when the counter's done, then you can move to your new joint. I got to go back in here with this dick. You know what I'm saying? I go back in there with the dick, I say.

I bet. He said, yeah, man, if you wanted to move, man, you know what I'm saying? You could have just told me, bro, you ain't have to, you know what I'm saying? Ain't no problem or nothing like that, man. And I was again, I know you told him now I was BGF, You're talking about a black gorilla family.

I didn't tell nobody nothing. Nick, if I wanted to tell, I probably wouldn't have met you. Don't play with me like that. No, I ain't saying you were rat in nothing. I'm just saying, you know, I told you that I'm a BGF and I'm a sniper. That's why I ain't got no tattoos and all of that.

You know, I, you know, I was like, bro, I ain't in all that, man. That's my homie right there. You know, gang time. And, you know, you're not on that. He's on that. That's my big, homie, little brother. So I'm going overstate with him.

End the story. And he was like, I bet. It's all good, bro. It's all good. You know, just tell me next time. I got to tell you, ain't no next time, you know what I mean? But that was one of the, that was one of them ones right there. Like, yeah, man, so the bottom line is that, stay out of jail.

That's the bottom fucking line. Locked there with Ian Bick, man. You know what we're doing. I appreciate you, brother. Thank you, brother. Thank you, man. Thank you so much for having me. Of course.