Locked In with Ian Bick - I Went to Prison — Then I Was Pardoned by President Trump | Angela Stanton-King

Episode Date: March 17, 2026

Angela Stanton-King opens up about growing up in Atlanta, becoming a mother at a young age, and how the pressure to survive pushed her into hustling in the streets. Her path eventually led to two prison sentences, including the emotional experience of giving birth while incarcerated. In this episode of the Locked In Podcast with Ian Bick, Angela shares how she rebuilt her life after prison by writing books, starting a nonprofit, and becoming a voice for criminal justice reform. Her journey of survival, redemption, and reinvention ultimately led to receiving a presidential pardon, changing the course of her life forever. _____________________________________________ #angelastantonking #realhousewivesofatlanta #ianbick #lockedinpodcast #truecrime #federalprison #presidentialpardon #atlantageorgia _____________________________________________ Thanks to Married By The Mob for sponsoring this episode: Visit https://www.marriedbythemob.com/ to grab your tickets today! _____________________________________________ Connect with Angela Stanton-King https://www.instagram.com/theangiestanton/ _____________________________________________ Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ _____________________________________________ Shop Locked In Merch: http://www.ianbick.com/shop _____________________________________________ Timestamps: 00:00 Growing Up, Family Background & Early Struggles 01:12 Childhood Rebellion & Teen Pregnancy 03:15 Dropping Out & Entering Street Life 06:10 Crime, Scams & First Arrests 09:00 First Prison Sentence & Life Behind Bars 13:00 Life After Prison & Reentry Struggles 15:15 Back to the Streets & Nonprofit Work 17:30 Second Prison Sentence & Motherhood in Prison 21:00 Loss, Grief & Family Separation 24:40 Federal Charges & Hitting Rock Bottom 27:00 Turning Point: Meeting Alveda King 28:35 Writing Her Story & Becoming an Advocate 33:35 Lawsuit, Vindication & Book Success 36:00 Rising Influence & Public Platform 38:40 Criminal Justice Reform & Trump Connection 42:54 Presidential Pardon & Redemption Story 46:01 How the Pardon Process Works 50:00 Advocacy, Recidivism & System Failures 53:15 Restitution & Barriers After Prison 56:00 Life After Prison & Public Judgment 01:00:00 Faith, Purpose & Advice for Others Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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pressure to survive pushed her into the streets of atlanta that path led to two prison sentences even giving birth while incarcerated but after rebuilding her life through writing books and starting a nonprofit, her story eventually reached the White House where she received a presidential pardon. So I grew up in Buffalo, New York, the first 14 slash 15 years of my life. And while I was there, I would frequent back and forth to Atlanta, Georgia, because that's where my mother's mother resided. So, you know, in the summertime, you've got to go visit grandma. And so then finally, when I was 15, we decided to make a move to Atlanta, Georgia for good. And I've been there ever since. What was, was your dad in the picture?

Of course. He was in Buffalo, so, and he's still in a picture, and he's still in Buffalo. So I'm back and forth. What did your parents do for work? My father was a truck driver, and he also, you know, entertained other things on the side. My mother was actually the first black female real estate owner in Buffalo, New York. And then she ended up being a priest before she passed away when I was in prison. Oh, wow. What were some values instilled in you as a kid?

To stand up for yourself, to always believe in yourself, to never take no for an answer. That's something weird that you would tell a kid, right? And that the sky is the limit. What were you like as a kid, early childhood? I was definitely the black sheep of the family, the most probably disruptive and into everything kid. But I think that was probably because my father didn't have me until he was. much older. I think he was 35 or 36 when he had me. And he had a bunch of sisters. And he was like the only boy. And so he really wouldn't let anybody discipline me. And I was his baby. And I

think it kind of created a monster. So that behavior kind of like carried on into school and into some of my adulthood. But I was definitely the child that they didn't want to keep because they knew that they couldn't discipline me. Do you remember the first time you got into trouble as a kid? Yeah, my mom. Now, my mom would discipline me. She didn't care what the hell my dad said. And I remember being a kid. And I'm like, I'm going to tell my daddy. And she was like, and I'm going to whoop his ass too. Call him. And he'd get there and both us be whooped. So that's how that went. What was that for? Was it something bad you did? Well, mostly acting up in school, being disobedient, having a disrespectful mouth, you know, just not listening as a child should. What was your plan for the future? Did you have a career plan? I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know. I knew it was going to be something, right? But I didn't know what. It definitely wasn't where I am now. It never goes according to plan. No. What were you like in high school?

I was kind of one of the popular girls because everybody knew me because I was one of the ones that kind of had jumped off the porch first and I had a lot of boy cousins. I liked having more fun than I did learning. So I was one of the ones that was going to skip school, find something else creative to do. So I was the one that everybody wanted to hang out with. Did you have plans for college at that point? I did, but I got pregnant early. So I got pregnant with my first baby and had her at 15. So of course, I dropped out of school. But then I ended up going back to school to get my GED and then going on to college to get a bachelor's in psychology. Would you say having a child at that age was a big turning point in your life? Yeah, you definitely go from being a child to an adult really quickly.

What do you think was the first reality aspect of that that hit you? That I created another person. I thought that it was just amazing, almost impossible. And I don't, I think I was just very grateful to see that I gave birth to life, right, to something live, something that came from me. And she was so beautiful. So I guess it was my first inkling of responsibility. You got to grow up now. How'd your parents react? My mother was very, she wasn't excited about it, but she was kind of more like me, as people would say, pro-life. So up under no circumstances, she didn't care what the situation was. She wanted me to have the

baby and, you know, she would do what she had to do. My father at the time was kind of pro-choice and thought that I was too young and didn't agree with the situation, but my mother ended up having the upper hand, and I'm very grateful for that. When you have a child that young at that age, do you ever think about what life would have been like if you didn't have the child at that age? I think, for me, it was kind of like too late, right? That's no longer a reality, right? You just have to deal with the reality. But it's like now that I've had my children young and everybody's grown and out of the house, I know exactly what it feels like. Like I'm officially grown now. So even though I have children, I don't have children. They're all adults, adults, and they take care of

themselves and they help me as well. I don't even need help, but they just offer all the time. But I'm very grateful. Yeah, and I guess in a way you got to enjoy life now. Yeah, no responsibility. Yeah, like 50. Well, not 50 yet, but you know how they say, the 40s are the new 20s. So where do you go after you leave school? You're 15. You drop out. So I drop out. I'm spending my time now in Atlanta, Georgia. So now, of course, I'm kind of running the streets. My mom's family and my dad's family were totally, totally different. So my mom's family was kind of more stuck on a poverty side and a little bit more dysfunctional, kind of like every man for himself. So now I'm kind of like running the streets and I'm hustling and I'm,

getting in and out of trouble, but I'm making a way for myself. And I'm also making a name. I made a name for myself before they had social media. So they say you aren't really, really street certified unless you had a name before social media. And what was your name? Great Dane. Great Dan? Yeah, Great Dane, like a tall dog because you know I'm like six feet. So everybody's always like, Angela, how tall are you? So yeah, great dang. Did you like that nickname at the time? I don't know if I liked it. It was just a sign to me and it kind of fit well, Because it was like I was just, by the time I was 12 years old, I was standing six feet. Now, what do you mean by running the streets? What were you getting into at that?

I mean, just, you know, what kids do, shit that they're not supposed to, you know, just trying to figure out a way to make money. Just, you know, committing crimes, nonviolent crimes, just hustling, just making a way of life. And I ended up just running into people that knew the scam game. And that's kind of like what we were doing. It was easy money. Who do you think exposed you to that first? It would definitely be Fager Parks from Housewives of Atlanta. If you've ever read my book, Lies of a Real Housewife.

But it would definitely be her when it comes to that lifestyle. They ended me up in prison, chained to a bed, giving birth to my daughter. What do you think attracted to you to it? I mean, the same thing that attracts everybody else, money, you know, the fast life. I mean, we're, you know, it's influence, right? People work hard for their money. You either work hard or you hustle hard. Now, looking back on it now, do you think you were a good parent at that time?

Yeah, I'm going to say I was because I'm going to say that regardless of whatever my circumstances were, in my mind at that time, I was doing whatever it took to provide for my children, right? and I wasn't a mother that abandoned her children. My children didn't go hungry. My children didn't starve. My children had everything that they wanted. How I chose to get my money and maybe not fully thinking, hey, you know, what if you get caught? What about your kids then? That may have been my biggest mistake.

But when I look at how everything turned out, it actually ended up being my biggest gift. So you're hustling in your teenage years. Let's go through your 20s now. what happens next. I'm still hustling and I'm in and out of prison and I'm catching charge after charge after charge after charge but I'm still hustling because see it's like once you like I remember one time I wanted to enroll in the army right but by that time I had already had an arrest and so I was denied entry into the army and because my background had already been staying now I was kind of restricted as to what I could do but the type of money

that I needed to make wasn't the type of money that you were going to make with the felony or working at McDonald's somewhere. So it just didn't add up. So God put me on his journey. And it's all about criminal justice reform. It's about going through every element being on every side of it so that you can fully understand it. Now, why the army? What attracted you to that? I don't think I was really attracted to the Army other than I was just looking for a way out. So, you know, sometimes you have a lot of kids that, you know, they graduate from high school and they've got three choices. You either go to the Army, you go to the college, or you hit the streets. You know, not too often do children have the choice of staying home, especially if you're in a home that's already overcrowded and, you know, you maxed your way out.

So it was one of those situations where I wasn't going to go to college. but the Army may have been an option. But like I said, you couldn't get in the Army if you have a charge, a pending charge, or a conviction. So do you think there was a part of you that always wanted to escape the streets and didn't want that life? Yeah, because that's what I was hustling for

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I look back and I think about it, if I hadn't, would I be here today? It's like my experience, it's like it made way for me, right? Your gift will make way for you, whatever God puts in you. So I couldn't be this advocate. I couldn't be this person with all of this favor that's able to know, to recommend, you know, people who are deserving of second chances or be able to even have the passion to to understand somebody's situation because I've been there. If I hadn't had those experiences, it wouldn't have shaped me into who I am today. When was the first time you got arrested and sent to prison? Oh, man.

I want to say probably, I want to say I was 12 years old. I was shoplifting in the mall with some of my friends. Well, you said sent to prison. Yeah. I got sent to prison. Oh, when was the first time? I did go to prison prior to. me having a baby in prison, but I want to say that was maybe at 23 or 24, and I only spent

four months in. And what was that charged for? Forgery. Most of my charges, all of my charges are nonviolent, but most of them surround forgery, conspiracy, fraud. Why forgery? It was easy. And it was quick money, you know? No, when you go to prison for four months at first time, what happens to your kid?

they stay with my family they're with my family So they still remain supportive? Yes I had a very supportive dysfunctional family Like most of us So I don't feel bad

Now was that first sentence in Atlanta Or Georgia? Yeah that was the state of Georgia A state prison Yeah What was that experience like? It wasn't really like much Because like I said

It was a quick turnaround It was four months And I knew I was coming home And I had all the commissary in the world and it was just like a little quick vacation. It wasn't until my second experience in prison that I really finally woke up. Now, why do you think that first experience didn't wake you up?

Because I knew that I was getting right back out. And because it wasn't really a punishment. It didn't really, it just felt more like a vacation. So do you feel like if the sentence was longer at the time, I would have woke you up? No, I feel like it's what I experienced. on my second sentence that woke me up. So you get out at 23, 24 years old. Where do you go next?

Back to the streets. I mean, think about it. Here you are. You're a convicted felon. You're a single mom. Okay. Most of the times when you're released from prison, you're on some type of probation or parole. So they're mandating that you pay them and some type of fine supervision fee, whatever.

Okay. And you've got, you know, you got to hustle. You got to make money. Most people aren't going to give you a job. Doc, we're talking 20 years ago, if you're a convicted felon, as soon as they run your background and see that, it's a no. So at this point, it's, you know, only the strong survive. So you do what you got to do. What type of work? And pray you don't get caught. What type of work did you want to get into after prison? Well, I actually had, um, ended up meeting Dr. L. V. the King, who's the niece

of Martin Luther King, Jr. And I met her when I was, um, leaving a shelter after I got out of prison. And when I met with her, I started doing nonprofit work and learning how to create nonprofit organizations, operate nonprofit organizations. And so we did that as a nonprofit, created other organizations through Georgia, Mississippi, Tennessee, all within the Southwest region to help them help the community. And so that was kind of like my give back work, but it wasn't pain. It was like I was just planting seeds. So why do you think that didn't open up doors to a job or something stable? Well, it has. And it did eventually, but not in the beginning. Well, I mean, a lot of people when they're convicted felons and they're coming home, you know, they have to work those low level

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And I met Alveda actually after I was released on my second sentence. And when I go in on my second sentence, I don't know when I'm getting out. I had been sentenced to five years, but I didn't know how much of that five years I had to serve. So when I get into prison, I find out that I'm pregnant. everybody is trying to convince me to to abort my baby by now this is my fifth child um i'm refusing to abhorter the the prison is wanting me to abort because anytime you're a prisoner then it's like you're a ward of the state so they have to pay for all of your medical expenses so of course they would rather pay for a hundred dollars for an abortion than $80,000 for a live

birth. I still would not have an abortion. I ended up carrying her throughout my prison sentence. I gave birth to my daughter, chained to a bed with the sheriff watching. I even remember the doctor asking the sheriff, like, where is she going to run? She's got a seven and a half pound baby coming out of her buttlight. Where is she going? And he still stood there and he still watched and refused to leave, and it was the most humiliating thing in my life. And I remember that night just holding my baby and just crying because I knew she was going to be taken for me. Because although I was a hustler, okay? Like, I wasn't a neglectful parent, right? And any of us that have had those type of parents, you know how that lifestyle goes, right? I loved my children. And so I remember

just crying and crying and crying because I knew they were going to take my baby. And I remember the nurse telling me, she was like, if you don't stop crying, we're going to take the baby and go put her in a nursery. And I'm like, I only got 24 hours with her. And so it was then that I knew that I had, that something had to change with the American justice system because you don't even take a puppy from a dog for six weeks. So why would you take a human baby from his mother after 24 hours. So I remember wrapping my baby up and my baby was sitting home with my mom. And I was very grateful that I had my mom there to get my baby. And I was sent back to the prison. Now, what I remember most is that there was another girl that went with me that day to have her baby. But she

didn't have family. So her baby was given the defects. And eventually her baby was adopted out. right so i'm like man everybody talking about family separation at the border let's do something about family separation in the border these are non-violent charges and so i go back to prison when i go back to prison of course the prison is overcrowded i'm giving a cot and told to get up and down off of the floor i'm hemorrhaging it's just a horrible horrible story six months after i gave birth to my baby i got a called that I needed to go to the chaplain's office. I remember getting up to go to the chaplain's and this girl was like, Angela, you don't want to go to the chaplain. She was like, anytime they call you for the chaplain is bad news. And I was like, what? And then all of a sudden, like,

it was like a movie. It was like my mother just started running through my head. Like, and I ran through the phone. And I remember I called home and my cousin answered. And I was like, let me speak to my mom. And she was like, I can't. And I knew then. So, okay, so my mother passes away. That's a whole other story. I've written a book about it, so anybody want to go purchase life of a real housewife. Please feel free to do so. Six months after that, I get another call from the chaplain again. This time, it's my grandmother, my mother's mother.

So when my mother passed away, my daughter, my children went to my grandmother. Then when my grandmother passed away, they were split up and they went to family. And I wasn't allowed to go to either funeral because Brian Nichols prior to had shot up the courthouse. so they weren't doing any prisoner transport. So six months after my grandmother passed away, I was released from prison with a $25 check and a bus ticket and told to start my life over. Now, this is just, this is state prison

because I'm serving time in the state, but I got federal charges pending I didn't know. So the minute I walk out of the Georgia state prison, then the feds are there to lock me right back up. this is all the same crime, but different charters because we cross state lines. And so I'm like, this is never going to freaking end, right? Like, what in the hell? And then how much punishment is enough punishment, right?

Because like we talked about before and you said, why didn't you think you learned anything on that four-month sentence or do you think that you should have been sentenced longer? Sometimes it's what happens to you during. your time that can change everything about your situation. Because you could not have paid me to believe that I would have gone to prison for only two and a half years and come home in my entire lifeline would have been wiped out. What was that crime that landed you in that state prison sentence? Forgery again. So it was another fraud case. So how much time did they give you in the state? It was, well, it was five years. But they let you out early and then the feds

took it over? Well, in the state, you almost get four for a day. So I released out, it wasn't that the feds took it over. It was the feds also had their own charges, but they were running them consecutively against the charges that the state had. So they weren't running them concurrent. So the minute I walked out of the state, the state, the feds locked me back up and it's for the same crime, but it's their charges. Did you know you were charged by the feds before you started the state prison sentence? No. So it seems like double jeopardy a little bit or something. Well, it's not really. double jeopardy because they can do that. Because while you're sitting there serving your time in the state, they're preparing their case against you. And I had co-defendants. And so while my co-defendants, when we got arrested, they went directly to the feds because they already had federal charges pending. They were on federal parole. I didn't. So I went to the state. So when they got in, they just started singing and saying that I was a mastermind and everybody worked for me. And it's a crazy, crazy story. But I was. vindicated. Now, how much money are they after or are they talking about in this case? Well, it's not

necessarily how much money. It was probably around $3 million in total, but it was probably more so the crimes that had been committed in all of the states that were involved and all of the cars that were involved in the checks. I think it was the multiple charges that was the issue. And was it all men on your case or women or? I was the only woman on the case. Oh, you were the only woman? Yeah. And they were blaming you as the ringleader too. Yeah. And that something? The great day in. Isn't that something?

Wow. So the feds pick you up right after you get out of prison. Tell us about that. I was just, my mind was just blown away. Like at this point to me, it was almost like the matrix. I'm like, have I taken the red peel or the blue pill? Like, where in the fuck? What is going on here?

Like, it was just so unbelievable. Like, you guys, you released me from prison. You're talking about my mother's dead. My grandmother's dead. I've got to go get my fucking kids. I'm trying to figure out how do I start life over. I was literally giving a $25 check and a bus ticket. And now you're telling me that you're taking me to arrest me in the fence after I've done.

I just served two and a half years on this same charge. So I'm literally trying to hold on to the last piece of sanity I have left. What do you think kept you going in those moments? My children. Because I knew that my mom was gone and my grandmother was gone and I knew that they needed me. Because they don't longer had that motherly figure. Like, you could relax a little bit if you know you got mine, you know, you got grandma. You know what I'm saying?

They're going to, they're your backup, you know, especially in the era that I come from. I had a strong grandmother. My children had a strong grandmother. We just come from that. But when you lose that, then you realize everything falls on you. Were your kids old enough to know what was going on that you were in prison? I think my oldest, my oldest three were old enough to know, but my younger two, I don't think they really understood. They did. They would understand later on though.

Yeah, of course. So when the feds pick you up, where do they bring you? To the H.B. Russell building, downtown Atlanta, to the ninth floor in handcuffs before a judge. And I'm pleading for my life. And the judge lets me go on supervised release while we're waiting to try the case. And it was the hardest probably nine months of my life. Why do you think it was so hard? Talk about, you know, pre-trial. I mean, it's hard because, for one, I remember when I left the state, I was giving a $25 check and a bus ticket, okay?

My mother's gone. My grandmother's gone. Two fathers of my children, both incarcerated in prison. They've sold the family house. I've got nowhere to go. Nobody wants to give me a job because I'm a convicted felon. I've got, when I was released, I had state probation, state parole, federal probation, federal parole. And I want to say in a county probation. So you want me to pay all of these fines. You're threatening to send me to jail if I don't pay. I'm looking at my children.

I can't get Section 8 because I'm a convicted felon. I can't get certain welfare programs. You're watching me like a hawk, okay, waiting on me to make them. It is a revolving door to send you directly back to prison. So I'm going from shelter to shelter, okay, after the federal judge released me on supervised release. Not only am I going from shelter to shelter, but I'm also halved in a report, okay? And I got a report to four different agencies, all right?

And so I'm trying to figure out my freaking life. But in Atlanta, there were only three shelters that hold women and children. And you max out after 45 days. So I've maxed out the last one. And on that day, I meet this lady and she's like, I know a place that you can go where you may be able to get help for you and your children. And so I remember like packing up these three garbage bags of clothes because that's literally all we had and catching the bus from downtown Atlanta all the way to Forest Park, Georgia.

And I remember like thinking on that ride in my mind, I had made up like I was going to kill myself. because I was like, I can't survive. I can't take care of me. I can't provide for my children. There's no way out. Like, I was really that deep down in the tunnel because I couldn't figure it out. And all I knew how to do was really hustle.

Okay? But I wasn't in a position where I could do that without going back to prison. My hands were tied. And so I just remember saying, man, like, this is going to be it. I was just talking to God. And so I remember we pulled up and I got out the bus and I walked into it. It was like a little house sitting on the hill. And I walked into this house with my children and our three little garbage bags of clothes and it was a little lady sitting at the desk. And I remember just looking at her and telling her like, lady, if you don't help me today, like, I'm going to die.

Right? And she's like, why would you say a thing like that? And it just happened to be Elvita King, who's the niece of Martin Luther King Jr. now also an advisor to the president, Donald Trump, and also Brooke Rowland's over at USDA. And that day, you know, she gave me a job helping her and her organization helped me and my children get an apartment. And then- Bonjour, compadre. It's the Priceline negotiator. How do I negotiate so many great travel deals?

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now streaming only on Disney Plus. And my journey to redemption began there. So tell us what happens next after that. After that, I published my first book. I had written my first book when I was in prison, life beyond these walls. I walked around prison every single day, interviewing women about their stories because one of the things that I remember when my mother passed away, I remember looking in the mirror because I had to have a real stern, straightforward conversation with

myself that I had never had because I couldn't understand how I ended up in prison when my mother died. So it's like, you know, your whole life growing up, you know, you learn about funerals and stuff and you know that if you know you're the only daughter or whatever that certain things are going to fall on you you're preparing or whatever it never crossed my mind that I wouldn't be there so I needed to know how did I end up in prison when my mother died because nobody when we're kids and they ask us that question and we all get asked that question what do you want to be when you grow up nobody says I want to go to prison okay so there are certain things that put you on a path to prison. So I just start reflecting over my childhood trying to figure out what that was

and how I ended up where I was at. And I was so amazed by just doing that inner searching that I started looking around like every other woman that was incarcerated with me and I knew that they had a story too, right? Because it's like you might look on the Department of Corrections website and you'll see all these faces and you'll see all these charges. But you don't know how they got there, right? Like, what creates a criminal? You know? And so my first book, Life Beyond These Walls, it was kind of like a docuseries of me just walking around prison every single day, gathering stories. And hearing those stories from other women, what it did for me was it actually began to gain me strength to keep going, right? Because even though I lost

my mom and I lost my grandma and I was waiting to get back home. And I was waiting to get back home to my baby and I thought the world was over for me, but I'm hearing stories from people that got it 10 times worse than me, which is making me be grateful, right, for what I have, even though what I have is nothing. So I published the first book. I continue to work with Alveda King and the King family on community restoration. It's just a, I've got over 20 years of receipts of just community work that we've been doing in a nonprofit field, but it was one of the vows that I made to God when I was in prison, like, because I was going to lose my mind. And I was like, God, if you can get me out of this, like, just get me home to my children, I'll make sure that

every single day of the rest of my life, that I'll put it towards making a difference, right, to switching this thing around. And so I want to say we released the first book, lies, not lies of a real house wife, life beyond these walls. And it really didn't do anything. It was just something. It was just out there. It gave me a title of author. Things are starting to change a little bit because now I'm going around and I'm sharing my stories. But now I'm going back to court now in this federal case and discovery is getting pulled. And I find out through discovery that the person that I was working for is the person that actually framed me.

So once I go through that case and the judge is like, no, wait a minute, I can't believe this. This girl doesn't have any of these charges, okay? She's not the mastermind, right? You guys are the mastermind. After that, God tells me to tell my story, right? Because life beyond these walls was everyone's story. But Life of a Real Housewife was my story and it was deep. But when I wrote the book, Life of a Real Housewife,

I got a book deal from Vibe Books. I don't know if you remember Viad Books from back in the day. big time New York publishing company. And when the book, now let me say this before I go any further. When I wrote my story, it wasn't just about this name that I'm getting ready to drop, right? This book was about my life, every trauma, every experience. It was like very therapeutic. It was me releasing things that I had in me that I knew had to go in order for me to be a better person. So when I told the story, I told the entire story, not just bits and pieces. of the story. And so we dropped the book. When we dropped the book, then I'm sued by Fed your

Parks of Housewives of Atlanta for $30 million, right? And mind you, I didn't even have 30 cents. Okay? All I had was my story. All I had was my name. I'm in the process of trying to rebuild. I got a right to tell my own story. So next thing I know, vibe drops the publishing deal. they dropped the book, right? But they don't just drop the book. They give the book back to me and guide me on how I can open my own publishing company. So then I open up Stenton Publishing House.

I dropped the book again. Now she has to come directly after me. And you know, in defamation, you have to prove that someone is lying. I'm the only person that can tell the truth about my story because it's my story. So I'm like, oh, Lord, here we go. Somebody suing me for $30 million.

what am I going to do? Then this guy, this college guy who had just graduated from college named James Raffert. He saw my case online and he contacted me and he said he wanted to represent me in this $30 million lawsuit. And I'm like, okay, I didn't, sure, why not? And we litigated the case for four years. Those four years I went through hell because, of course, everybody is going to believe the person, you know, that has all the connects, that has all the money. You're nothing more than a convicted felon.

Nobody's going to listen to you. You just won't clout. You just want to come up off of someone's name. You know, they're going to say everything. And we ended up winning that case. The judge dismissed her case against me with prejudice and I was free to tell my story. And after that, the book kind of blew up.

I was the only housewife that was on housewives, but I wasn't on housewives. But every reunion, they would mention my name. And God would just bless me out of nowhere. Like overnight, I make 50, 60, 70,000 in book sales just off of the book being mentioned on the reunion show. And then from there, after the case was litigated and the judge dismissed her case with prejudice and gave me the freedom to tell my story, I was contacted by Queen Latifah and BET to do a docu-series about, you know, my life entitled from the bottom up, not my life, but rebuilding my life from prison.

And so we did the docuseries. When I did the docu-series, I pushed my publishing company, Stanton Publishing House, which began to be my pathway to financial freedom. And then the next thing I know, Trump runs for office. Trump runs for office. And my godmother, Alveda, and his family, his wife, they already have a prior relationship outside of politics prior to Trump running for office. Trump runs for office. One of his initiatives is criminal justice reform. My godmom who was very influential in helping me become reform, asked me what I go in and share my story with President Trump. And at first I'm like, hell, fuck no.

me he's a racist right i'm just i'm going along with what everybody's saying i'm like no way like i'm not going in there and then she's like answer to please would you just think about it for a minute and i'm like okay cool i'll think about it i was like let me go home and let me pray and so i remember going home that night and when i go home that night i'm watching the news and i'm seeing all these black advocates and activists fighting about family separation at the border, right? And now I'm feeling some type of way because I'm like, what about family separation in the border, right? Any person in America, if you're arrested, even if it's just for driving on a suspended license, and the officer wants to take you to jail, your kid's not going to jail with

you. You're going to be separated from your kid. It is American law. So if you're going to reunite families at the border, then let's do something to reunite families in the border. And let's do something to reunite families in the border. You don't change the law at the border, right? You change the law in the border so that everyone who crosses the border are impacted by the same laws that we're impacted by. What sense does it make to form laws that benefit people that don't even pay taxes in this country? How many American families do we have, right, that have been separated? How many people do we have in prison right now serving life sentences for marijuana? and they've legalized marijuana and damn near every state, right?

How many people do we have? How many black men do we have in prison when we talk about the crack the cocaine disparity, right? Where a lot of white counterparts receive probation and you got a lot of black men in prison right now still serving 20, 25, 30, 40 life without the possibility of parole, right? What about all of these people that's giving all of their time to prison for ghost dope? Alex Johnson for one. A life sentence. For dope she never saw, never even touched.

I got someone else I'm advocating for. Did 17 years. For dope, they never even had. So if we're going to reunite families, why are they being biased? Why are they picking and choosing which families they want to reunite? So let's reunite families. So now, what happened to the federal case? Did the judge end up throwing it out?

No, I ended up getting convicted in the federal. case as well. Even though he said that you weren't the ringleader? Yeah, I wasn't the ringleader, but I still participated. My hands weren't completely clean, right? But I wasn't the mastermind, though. You weren't going to put that on me. So do you end up serving time in the feds for that? No, I actually ended up doing my supervised release and then I had release after that and then I got off. Oh, so that gave you just probation for that. Yeah. I had already served my time in the state. Like, that's just overkill. And I think that I had some compassion from the judge based on my circumstances as being a young mother with all of these children and losing my lifeline, right?

Thank God I didn't have a judge that just wanted to throw me in prison and see my children sent to D-FAC. She thought that it would be much better for me to become a productive member of society and that's exactly what I did. Now, do you think if you weren't making those strides in the community already, she would have sent you to prison? Well, actually, I wasn't, because this happened simultaneously. So as soon as I got out of the Georgia State prison, I went into the federal situation. And then over time, it took time for me to start building my life up. Because even though while I was helping other people, I was still struggling.

And I think that's why I'm so blessed today. What do you think it's the hardest aspect of rebuilding your life like that? Facing reality that you can't get time back, realizing that is nothing that I could do to ever, like, see my mom again or my grandmother again or my children during those two and a half years that I was gone. getting time back. Now, the real Housewives, why didn't they just ask you to be on the show? I don't know. I think, you know, I don't know.

I have no idea. I feel like you would be a very colorful character. Like, you got Spunk, you know? Yeah, that's true. But, you know, God knows best. Maybe there are some Trump haters. I don't know. And the ironic part is a lot of those women

and men in the Housewives end up going to prison too. Yeah, right. And end up calling me to help them. I wouldn't be surprised, obviously. At that time, Were any of them going to prison or not yet? No, none of them were going to prison, but I do know that, well, Apollo was in prison. I was in the federal prison he was in.

Well, Apollo is one of my co-defendants. That's who I went to prison with. Really? Yeah. No way. Yeah, he was all in it. He was at Fort Dix on the west side. Yeah, him and his brother, Everett, Chappottis. Yeah.

I remember when I first got to the west side at Fort Dix, they were like, that's Apollo from Real Housewives. Him and Terry Flunnery were there, too. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they were all there. and then Joe Judice from New Jersey was there too. Yeah, Paula knows who knows who I am. We ran the streets together.

That's a small, full circle moment. Isn't it? So you end up meeting Trump and he changes your mind about things. Well, no, I change his mind about things. I go in and I share my story with President Trump and President Trump makes it illegal for them to chain women to bed during childbirth. And then he also gives me a full and unconditional part. pardon and I take that pardon and I literally run with it. I ran for office in the Fulton County

2020 election against John Lewis along with President Trump. And I think I was a little too, way too early in the game because people weren't really ready to accept, you know, I think it was more hate for Trump than it was love for me, right? Because Atlanta is a very deep Democrat-run city and it was like you're trying to wake these people up out of the matrix you know what i'm saying like let them know the definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over again and expect different results i was someone that you know had ran and and stomped in this dirt and really you know loved the city and had already had receipts i couldn't understand like for the life of me when it comes to us voting for people to represent us in office why aren't we voting for the people who

been out here in the streets doing the work asking you for nothing. Those are people you know that's going to really make a difference versus these people that are bought and sold. And so I ran for office. It was it was a it was an eye-opening experience, I would say. And then after that COVID hits, COVID hit some contacted by America's frontline doctors. Dr. Simone Goal asked me if I would take some of the world's leading physicians into black communities across the nation so that they could get the information they needed to know about the dangers of COVID. This was during the time that all of the lines were being censored, people were being taken down off of social media, you couldn't say certain things. And I said, sure. And during that journey is when I met

Robert F. Kennedy. And I've stood side by side with RFK, all during defeat Demi, mandates, we've marched all over together to give people, you know, a choice because we know drugs impacts everybody differently, right? How you react to, you know, an aspirin, maybe different from how I react to an aspirin, but just giving people medical freedom. And then from there, RFK, for some crazy-ass reason, decides he wants to run against President Trump. And RFK is my boy, because at this time, and I love Trump too, but me and RFK has. have more of a personal relationship. We're like really, really friends. Trump's the boss, but RFK is like that brother, that uncle, that you can pick up the phone and call. And he said he was

running and I said, I'm with you. And I was a senior advisor to his campaign and then eventually very, very influential in getting him to work along with Donald Trump to make America healthy, which I thought was a safe space for us all and not so much political because we can all benefit from being healthy. Now, you got a federal pardon. What happened to the state charges? I got a state partner as well. Oh, you were able to get one.

Yeah, and that's why I actually started my business, pardon process.com, to help other people receive state partners and federal partners. federal partner is a little different from a presidential pardon. Not everybody can get a presidential partner, but if you qualify, you can get a federal partner and you can also get a state pardon without the assistance of the president or the president's office. And a lot of our people don't know that. And so because I was successful in receiving both, I realized that that was one of the

reasons for me being put here on this earth was to help set people free and then also help to save babies because that same daughter that everybody was trying to get me to abort in prison will be graduating from MIT next month. And it's just a wonderful blessing to show you that there is value in life regardless of the circumstances. That's really interesting about the federal pardon. Can you explain that, what that process looks like and why it's different than a presidential pardon? Well, because some people could be in a federal prison and get released by a clemency or an executive clemency from the president. Some people can be out and receive a presidential pardon. Some people can be getting ready to go in and get a presidential partner. And there are

different things that the president can use his executive orders for. However, there is a regular pardon process that's available to you through the U.S. partner attorney's office if you qualify. And so what I've created is kind of like a streamlined program to help people and assist them with that process because they don't necessarily understand the language. They don't know how to properly fill the paperwork out on their own. And they don't know if they necessarily qualify. And so it depends and it ranges. You know, most of the federal part and all of the state part and say, hey, if you've done five years, you haven't been in any other. trouble. You don't owe any restitution. You aren't on probation or parole. Then you qualify for a

partner and you can have your rights restored. But they vary. And then sometimes it depends on what the charters are. And that's why you need someone who's well versed in that to help you bypass that process. So when it does get to the U.S. Parton's Attorney's Office or when it does get to the state parole board, because when it comes to states, each state is different. You know, some states have governor that have partnering power, and then there are other states that have a parole board. So you just have to know the process. And when you don't know the process, then that's when you would go to pardon process.com, and I'm there to help you.

How long does that process take? It depends. I've seen it happen in six months. I've seen it happen in eight months. I've seen it happen in a year. I've seen it happen in a month. It kind of just depends on the charges, the state, the process, who sits. behind the desk, it kind of just depends.

Are you seeing a lot of people get pardoned on the federal level that it's not publicized? Like we see the high profile partons from the president, but behind the scenes. Of course. You know, there are some people that don't have big names that are receiving partings and deserving of partings. And everybody can just do a Google search to see who Donald Trump is pardoned. And it'll show you who he's pardoned and why he's pardoned them and what their charges are. You know, we advocate every single day for people who are deserving of a pardon, people who

are threatened with prison time, who have been treated unjustly by this criminal justice system. I mean, and President Trump is one of the most lenient ones when it comes to that because he won the election with 34 convictions. He's well aware of this corrupt justice system that we have, but what him and his office is not aware of is those people across this nation that are sitting in prisons that qualify for the First Step Act, we haven't received their time. Or people, that can't get the First Step Act because of some type of sentencing guideline or people that are sitting in prison serving a life sentence for drugs or for anything nonviolent. And that's one of the reasons why I'm calling on and I'm asking the president, although he cannot sign an executive

order to say, you know, no one will go to prison for nonviolent charge. You know, he can do a mass clemency. And I do believe that it's time to bring people home who are serving time on nonviolent charges, especially, you know, when everything we're hearing about today is in regards to the Epstein files and horrible, horrible crimes against children. I believe that the prisons should be reserved for our... Cracker Cayman Jack Margarita with real lime, blue agave nectar, and real margarita taste. Taste your escape. Camin Jack, America's number one Margarita. Cayman Jack is a premium mall beverage with flavors. Please drink responsibly.

Kaman Jack beverage company, Chicago, Illinois. Most violent and monstrous offenders in America. Where do you think the disconnect is with, you know, the First Step Act and enacting that with people and why people are just sitting there and having those issues with getting out, even though that's a law? What do you think are the main challenges and problems? I mean, I think it's government systems. I mean, you've got, you know, the presidents and his administration, you've got the DOJ, you've got the DOJ, you've. You've got the BOP. I think it's just systems that are put in place, which is why advocates like myself are very important,

you know, to have people behind you that can make those telephone calls that can keep your name rotating. They can keep pressing the button because you got to think, other than that, your name's just sitting somewhere in a pile. You know, someone has to be advocating for you to say that you're deserving of a second chance. And that's why I kind of love what I do, because what I do, isn't so much of what an attorney does, right?

Although I'm a lot like an attorney, right? If you hire an attorney, an attorney is going to tell you, hey, you know, there are no guarantees, right? But you are smart enough to hire the best attorney. You want to hire the attorney. You know that has favor with the judge, the attorney that's taking the judge out to lunch, that's, you know, friendly with the judge's staff. So when it comes to your advocates, it's kind of like the same thing, right?

You want to have an advocate on your team that has the easy. of those who are making the decisions and what that person can guarantee is their advocacy. And sometimes, you know, if you ask me if I had to roll a dice between hiring a lawyer and hiring an advocate, I would hire an advocate because the thing about it is, although the lawyer may have the know-how, right, it still has to go through the office of the general counsel in regards to the president, right? but some advocates have favor, okay? And in this season, sometimes you need favor,

somebody that can get in there and say, hey, what about this person? What about that person? Somebody that has access that can really, really, really, you know, push your redemption. Now, do you think that aspect is controlled by money or do you think there's still good people out there that are pushing it other than for money?

I mean, I think that people have to be really careful because there are a lot of people out there that's just taking money. They don't have nonprofit organizations. Excuse me. They don't do the work on a regular. You'll see them maybe post a picture or something on their page and they say that they have access, but they don't necessarily have favor.

So if I was moving in the space of looking for an advocate, one of the first things that I would check to see is, has this person served time before? Right? Has this person received a part in themselves? Does this person still have access to them within this administration? Does this person have receipts for actually helping other people receive a pardon? Because unfortunately, there are a lot of scammers out here. But the way that I move, I've got a nonprofit organization.

I've been doing the work for a long time. You know, there are some people that can afford to hire me and there are some people that cannot. I do the work that God tells me to do. it's not about a number, right? And for those that can afford to pay, when they do support the organization, they support those that can't afford to pay.

And that's kind of like how that goes and it all balances out. Do you think prison's important for some people in their journey, not necessarily the harsh conditions of it, but if, say, it was a better place in there, do you think it's good to change your life? I mean, that's, that's an impactful question.

I think it's about three different parts to that because like we've got people who commit crimes just to get off the street because they're homeless and they have nowhere to go. Okay. So at least in jail, at least you know you got a warm cot. You're going to get three meals a day. You're going to get hot water. You can watch cable TV. You can play cards or whatever, especially during the winter months. Okay. Then you have some people that go to jail and lose everything and never come out right again. Like I'm thanking God today because it's like hot. How long is long enough, right? How long do you, would you lock a dog in a cage? Because when people are in prison, they're literally locked in cages like animals, right?

You put a person in a cage for 24 to 25 years and then you release them back in society and you think that they're going to be functional without some sort of mental health issues. we need to reform our criminal justice system. What do you think that looks like? Well, we got to tear it down from the top all the way to the bottom. For one, I don't understand why we're sending people to prison for nonviolent crimes. You send them to prison for a nonviolent crime. You release them from prison.

You put them on house arrest. You take away all their licenses. Then you give them millions of dollars of restitution. You say, if you don't pay this restitution, I'm going to send you back to jail. Oh, but I can't afford. to pay the restitution because now I'm a felon and you've taken away all of my licenses. I can no longer operate in the field of being a real estate agent. I can no longer be a medical doctor. And now you're saying if I don't pay this money, you're going to send me back to prison.

If I don't pay the money, you're coming. You're taking everything that I've created it for a life of myself. I've got clients that they wiped out their children's college savings accounts. They're coming after them right now to take their homes. I mean, the bottom line. is if you're, this is punishment after the fact. If you're going to send me to prison and make me serve time in prison and then release me from prison and tell me, okay, hey, I'm free, but I still got to pay this amount of money, at least allow me to get my license back so I can pay the restitution off. How are you expecting these people to pay anything without their license, without a job, with a felony conviction? Free should mean free. The best thing to do is on nonviolent crimes

Let these people stay free and pay their fines, whatever it is that they're old. Why separate them from their families? Why destroy an entire family when you remove the father from the home? We create the problems that we're crying about. So what's your take on restitution then in general? I mean, pick a struggle. You want me to go to prison or you want me to pay restitution? So it should be one or the other.

Which one? You can't do both because it doesn't work like that. and it's the leading cause to recidivism. I'm going back to prison. Either I can't afford to pay you or I'm going to jail trying to find a way to pay you because you're taking everything that I have. Have you seen restitution enforcement relaxed

with the new administration? I haven't, but we're fighting for it. We're fighting for it. And we're all using our voices to show how unjust and how unreasonable it really truly is. You know, it's interesting, you know, your perspective about one or the other because a lot of people feel that way. Like I'll put up a post about I had an almost

$500,000 restitution. Now I have only $190,000 left. And a lot of people will say, well, you know, you served in prison. You shouldn't have to pay the restitution. And for me, it's just more of a moral thing, but like my dad expresses that opinion too. And it has nothing to do with politics, whether you're Democrat or Republican. A lot of people seem to think that it should be one or the other. Yeah, it really should. Like a lot of people aren't blessed enough to be able to go to prison and then come home and be able to afford to even pay it back, especially like I said before, if you and aren't able to operate in the field that you operate in. Just think about all of the people that's coming home from prison, right, for marijuana

charges. They can't even work in the cannabis industry. That's literally all they know, right? Let's just say some of these kids that's been selling drugs. I got locked up when they were 21, something like that because they got caught with 10, 15, 20 pounds of marijuana, right? They don't serve 20, 25 years. These kids are 45, 50 coming home now. They can't even work in the cannabis industry. No, I think the fine thing is ridiculous too. If you're going to find, if you're going to send someone to prison and then do a fine, because that fine money just goes to the government. I mean, you're making money every person, every day to that person sits incarcerated. You're making money off of that person sitting in prison and being incarcerated.

And then restitution isn't tax deductible either. So whatever you make, you're still, you're paying to the government, you're paying restitution, and there's not much left over. So the average man, how does he afford getting out of prison, paying restitution, trying to take care of a family? What happens with child support when men get arrested? What if I'm caught up on my child support and then I'm arrested and I'm sent to prison for two, three years? And then I come home and now you got $80,000 child support over my head.

And you're telling me I can't get a driver's license. What if all I know how to do is drive a truck? right? You telling me, I can't get a driver's license. Also, no, I can't even come visit my case. Like, it's not, it's not created to work and free people. It's created to trap and imprison people. And that's what needs to be reformed.

Do you see courts being open to amending the restitution or doing like one of those discount type deals where, you know, you could get it reduced or pay some and not the whole thing? I think it should be based on your income. I mean, if anything, why not? It should be some type of system that's based on your income. And we are talking about real true rehabilitation or Indian recidivism, right?

Reality is you put in my back up against the wall. Okay? Because the bottom line is if you don't pay that restitution, what is the threat? You're going to- You're going to- You're going back to prison. So I'm going to jail either way, right? It's one or the other.

Now, what about the restitution in your case? Did you have restitution? I didn't have any restitution. Thank God. That's good. That's real good. Restitution's tough. Yeah.

I can, I mean, life is tough. Life as a convicted felon is tough. Life has a convicted felon in a single freaking mom with no family support is tough. Okay. Restitution could be supervision fines, right? Supervision fees. Like getting your life caught back up is a form of restitution, having to start all over again.

Do you find that people still judge you for your? past, even with the pardons? People are always going to find a way to judge you. People always, like, it's almost like, to me, people don't really want to give me, some people don't really want to give me credit because my pardon came from Trump. Like, but to me, I'm free. Like, got to use anybody. So I can't live my life worried about what people think.

And you had to work for that. Oh, I'll work for it. And I'm still working for it. I've got two organizations right now, American King, Founder. and Auntie Angie's house. I do the work. What advice would you give your teenage self if you could sit across from her today?

Do it all over again. Do it all over again. Because right now, the space that I am in, I'm in a wonderful, wonderful space, knowing my purpose, living in my purpose, having God's divine alignment in favor. You don't get a story like mine. You don't get a story like mine.

where, you know, somebody that was born into dysfunction goes to prison, you know, can pick up their phone right now and you go in my phone and there's a king, a Trump, and a Kennedy. Like, that's only God can do that. You know, most people might, you know, get connected to the Trump family, but you don't get connected to the Trump family and the King family and the Kennedy family. And it just keeps going. So it's God. Well, I congratulate you on all your success and I appreciate the time today.

Thank you so much. Awesome. Thank you. I appreciate it.