Locked In with Ian Bick - I Went Viral for My Prison Photos — Here's The Truth Behind Them | Sasha Sweets

Episode Date: August 30, 2026

Sasha Sweets grew up in California as a natural hustler — selling candy before moving to drugs, working at a strip club, and always chasing the finer things in life while her father was in prison for part of her childhood — before getting into a scamming operation with the father of her child in her early twenties that produced a federal indictment, 3.5 years in federal prison across California, Kentucky, and Arizona, and over $2 million in restitution. _____________________________________________  #crimenews #prisonstory #truecrimestories #scam _____________________________________________  Thank you to CASH APP for sponsoring this episode: Download Cash App Today: https://click.cash.app/ui6m/6pao71et #CashAppPod Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App's bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. Cash App Visa® Debit Flex Cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC, and The Bancorp Bank, N.A., pursuant to a license from Visa U.S.A. Inc. See terms and conditions for the Sutton prepaid card, Sutton debit flex card, and Bancorp debit flex card. Cash App Green features, Savings, Direct deposit, Round ups, Overdraft coverage and Discounts provided by Cash App, a Block, Inc. brand. Visit cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures. _____________________________________________ Connect with Sasha Sweets: https://www.instagram.com/sa.sweetss/?hl=en _____________________________________________ Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ _____________________________________________ Timestamps: 00:00 Intro: 6ix9ine and Sasha Sweets 00:19 Growing Up in California 01:07 Family Life and Dad's Prison 03:25 High School Fights and Moving 05:56 Being Out of Control 07:30 Career Dreams vs. Making Money 10:23 Work Ethic and Selling Chocolate Bars 11:55 Transition to Selling Drugs 13:37 Running Away and Parties 14:41 Starting to Dance 16:48 First Strip Club Audition 18:00 Dancing Lifestyle and Earnings 19:19 Dad Finds Out 21:30 Dad's Prison Stories 23:23 Pregnancy and Quitting the Club 24:47 Meeting Her Baby's Father 26:20 Introduction to Scamming 28:43 Motivation for More Money 31:21 Why Scamming Over Drugs 33:23 Unemployment Fraud Details 36:20 Getting Caught and Indicted 41:34 The Raid and Aftermath 45:40 Fighting the Charges 47:20 Pre-Trial Life and Waiting 48:51 Plea Deal and Sentencing 54:52 Preparing to Surrender 56:57 Self-Surrendering and the Raid 01:01:02 Dublin Prison Shutdown 01:03:04 First Cellmate and Prison Life 01:05:55 Prison Tattoos and Contraband 01:08:07 Advice from Cellmate 01:09:27 Prison Parties and Business 01:12:32 Cooking and Potato Balls 01:14:00 No Visits and Video Calls 01:15:37 Prison Relationships and Fights 01:19:22 Moving to Vegas and Kentucky 01:23:03 Life at Atwood Camp 01:25:39 Moving to Arizona Camp 01:27:23 Heat and Prison Conditions 01:28:24 Reflecting on Time Served 01:30:06 Values and Lessons Learned 01:31:50 Getting Out and Halfway House 01:33:20 Halfway House Rules and Struggles 01:35:55 Going Viral in Prison 01:38:00 Free the Finest in the Feds 01:40:43 Fascination with Women in Prison 01:41:59 Fake Prison Photos and Fame 01:43:14 Life Now and Rebuilding 01:44:04 Daughter and Her Father 01:45:44 Restitution and Future Plans 01:50:23 Biggest Lessons and Final Thoughts _____________________________________________ To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://advertising.libsyn.com/LockedInWithIanBicka

Six-nine was telling me free you. And I was like, what? You put people in prison. You're going to say free me. That's wild. So I had posted it. Like, no, we don't condone that. Like, I'll accept everybody free use, but we not accepting no free use from no rat.

That's Sasha Sweets. She grew up in California chasing money and the finer things before that hustle eventually crossed a line. She ended up serving three and a half years in federal prison. And today, she's telling her whole story. story. So I was born in L.A. and I did most of my schooling in San Diego. So some people would say I'm from San Diego, but then I, right when I graduated, I came right back to L.A. And I've been here ever since. You went to San Diego for college? No, I didn't go to college.

Oh, okay. So who goes all the way for schooling in San Diego? Is it like private school? My mom moved me for elementary and middle school and stuff like that. And then I moved back after that schooling. Yeah, so schooling there came back to LA. What was your family like? Real divided, I would say. So, yeah, I would say real divided. What did they do for work?

Ooh, so my mom, she sells furniture. Yeah, she used to be an exotic dancer at one point. I don't know if she wants me to say that, but yeah. So that was like at a younger age. And then my dad, he as well went to prison for dealing drugs. And yeah, now he works for a landscaping company that my family owns. Did he go to prison before you were born or after? During.

So when I was around nine. How'd that affect you? Good and bad, I would say. I know a lot of people like to look at the bad, but it was good to an extent because it taught me a lot about myself and how to relax. on myself. So, I don't know, I listened to him a lot. He would call me like twice a month and just tell me to do good in school. And I felt like that was the only thing he wanted me to do. So that was basically like my only goal. So, and I always was a daddy's girl. So I'm like anything for my dad. How'd your mom explain prison to you? When he was going. Yeah.

I don't really remember. I think she just told me, oh, she just told me in the car. I remember I was on the freeway. She told me your dad's not going to be around as much because he's going away for a while. She kind of just said he's going to prison and I feel like I got it. Like nine years old, I understood. You knew what prison was. Yeah, I knew what prison was. She was just, yeah. And I remember just holding back my tears and I just acted like, okay. And just continued with the ride. And my mom was just trying to be all nice, rub my back. Like, I'm over here like, no, it's fine. Like, holding it together. Was he the first one in your family to go to prison or did you have other relatives? Probably not. I've had a lot of cousins and uncles be in prison, but I was never really too

close to my family because my mom kind of moved me away really early. So I was only in L.A. for until I was like five, six, and then I moved away. So I was never close to my family like that. Was San Diego a better environment for you? I believe so for its time. It served as purpose. It was great. It was good. Was it hard to make new friends once you move? Or is it, or were you too young? Um, so I moved to North County and that was okay because I was young. But when I moved to deeper into San Diego, it was harder. I definitely, when I was in high school, moved to San Diego and I was fighting every day. It felt like, and it didn't even feel like. And it didn't even felt like it was every other day it was fighting two girls at once one girl here three girls lined up

this day like i was i don't know why they just hated me when i first moved to deep san diego and what was it over just jealousy or you know what it was crazy like one girl just came up to me and she was like i want to fight you after school and it was my first day and i was drinking chocolate milk and i was like okay and so after school i fought her and then i won and then her friend wanted to fight me the next day. So then I had to fight the friend. Then I beat the friend and then they tried to jump me the third day. And then it was two on one, the third day. And it was just like an ongoing thing because I wasn't losing. So like one day they like came up to me and there was like five of them. And then they said, I'm going to fight all of them. I ended up fighting three of them. But in one day and I was just,

it was just constant fighting when I was in high school and I moved. Who taught you how to fight? Was it your mom? No. I didn't even know I knew how to fight. And so I started of fighting. And then I just knew. I don't know. It just was a thing. Where do you think you got that a, I guess, mindset to confront? Because some people aren't a fighter that they'll run away from it. You know what? I did karate for a little bit growing up. That was in fifth grade though. So maybe that. Maybe having a little brother that's crazy. I don't know. Were you in your brother close? Me and my brother are close. And a lot of my guy cousins, we used to wrestle. around they would bully the hell out of me so i would always fight my cousins fight my brothers

so maybe that's what it was just having little brothers and cousins how would your mom have described you as a kid what were you like she would describe me as someone who probably did not listen at all and her words for sure out of control that's how she would describe me out of control i heard out of control a lot do you think you were actually out of control definitely if you break down the word out or the words out of control you definitely cannot control me so yeah I was out of control what kind of things were you doing I was in high school so and my mom moved in with her boyfriend and she had her own apartment just me there so I basically had my own apartment to myself so I would go to parties, I wouldn't come home until the next morning or make sure that I, I would just go straight

to school after the parties. Like, I was drinking, I was smoking, I was just doing whatever I wanted, just hide by if I seen her. And you couldn't really tell me anything. I went to go get piercings by myself, went to go get tattoos in a garage. Like, anything I wanted to do, I was going to do. I never went and asked for permission. Do you think she was too easy going on you? Um, no. She wasn't easy going on me, but it didn't matter. Like, I was still going to do it.

I just did it anyways. If your dad was home at that time, would that have been different? Hmm. Maybe. I still had a father figure. Like, I had my stepdad who was around, and I feel like that still didn't change anything. So who knows? Maybe it would have.

Maybe. Maybe I wouldn't stay out. How'd your mom feel about your dad being in prison? She would talk shit, and she would always say that I put him on a pedestal, even though he's not there. But, I don't know. She didn't have too much feelings towards it. You think you preferred your dad over your mom? No.

I feel like it worked out perfectly. like it was perfect i get along with them really well they they both are like yin and yang to me like i could go to one for one thing and not the other and then i could go to the other for this and not that like they're totally opposite some now what did you want career-wise in high school i know you said you didn't go off to college but what were you thinking of doing with your life so i did get accepted into Cal State, San Marcos, and I always wanted to be like a cosmetic surgeon. That's still something that I would like to do. I like to play with faces and like cosmetics and like turn something beautiful, like do noses or something. I've always been into that. Or teeth. I wanted to be

a dentist as well. So it was like smaller goals to me. Because now I'm thinking. and like beyond. I want to own things. I don't want to be the dentist. I want to be the one who owns a dental, like, yeah. An entrepreneur. Yeah, now it's like my mind has grown into bigger. Why didn't you pursue those things when you were coming out of high school being the dentist or? I feel like once I got accepted into the college, it was already like I had to figure it out by myself like how I was going to get there and everything it was just already so hard and then I also was already making money I've been making money since I was 12 so it was kind of like I'm already making good money this is just too complicated this is easier what were you doing for money when I first started

making money I used to sell chocolate bars when I was 12 that was the first time I ever made like hundreds of dollars was off the chocolate bars and um high school started selling drugs. So that was like already that was already making me my money. And then, yeah, that was mainly what I started doing. And then I started dancing a little bit after high school as well. And I also worked at rallies

and at this place called Chicken Mason off Crenshaw. So I had three jobs. And, yeah, it was kind of like I have three jobs and going to school was just going to get in the way of that, I felt like. Where did you get that work ethic from? Was that your dad? Yeah, I feel like my dad gave me the world when I was a little girl. So when he left, it was kind of like, my mom still spoiled me, but, you know, it was harder for her. So I was like, I have to still give myself the world.

And I found ways to do it. No, the concept of selling chocolate bars, where does that come from? Did you follow along from someone else? Did someone teach you? Yes, I did not think of that. So my friend started doing it, and she randomly was like, come with me, and we're going to sell chocolate bars, and I'm like, where are we going? It's like a dark green van with this random guy, we're going to go sell chocolate bars.

And it's so crazy because you grew up saying like, hey, kids, kidding in my van, I have candy, you know? And I actually got in the van and started selling the candy. So, yeah, in the first day, I think I made like $300 selling chocolate bars with her. And then I was just going to sell chocolate bars every day. And what are you doing with the money? I was buying everything. I was buying cameras, phones, food. I remember after school I bought everybody McDonald's.

Like, McDonald's on me, everybody. I'm all in sixth grade. Like, come on. And, yeah. And what year is this? What year are you in sixth grade? Sixth grade, let's see if I ran here in like 2007, eight. Now, how does chocolate bars go to drugs? Yeah. Describe that evolution. It has the same concept. It has the same concept. So I don't know. It was, I never really cared to do the drugs. Like, I would experiment. I would smoke on occasion.

I would do things here and there, but I never really liked it. I get over things really fast. So I don't know. I had guys that would just front me stuff and be like, or even just give it to me because they liked me. I'm just like, well, I could sell this. And then I could flip this. And then like that's how it started going.

Was it solely business for you, transactional? What do you mean? Selling drugs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I never cared for drugs. It's not my thing.

What about getting into the parties or, I guess, the popularity that comes with that. Did that interest you at all? Yeah, I was definitely in the party scene. I actually would help throw the parties. So we would find vacant houses and charge people to go in these broken into houses just so we could party in high school. So, yeah, that was another way that I made money growing up. Now, how much money are you making from?

the drugs. I was making a good amount of money. It was between that and the candy bars, I don't know. I was making a good amount of money, good enough to help my mom when she needed stuff. And you still live that home throughout high school? I ran away in 12th grade, I believe, or 11th grade and then I randomly came back during, I know right before I graduated but I called up the school and told them like I acted like my mom and said

we're going on vacation for X amount of months so we're going to need like a package so I got the package and was gone for months and then just turned in the package like I was on vacation package of schoolwork? Yeah. Like when you do when you're sick or something? Yeah. So school seemed somewhat important to you then? It was very important.

Yeah, I didn't just run away with, I was like, fuck, I need to make sure that I'm still doing my work. I can't drop out. So I made sure I called up, got the work, still ran away, but got my work then. No, did you have money saved when you made that decision to not go to college? Um, I've always had, I've always been good at saving. So I've always had money.

Yeah. Now, how does that lead to dancing? because I always want more. I don't know. I make good money and then I always want more. That's how we led to where we're at. So, yeah. Dancing as in like a strip club?

Yeah. So what was happening was my car kept fucking up on me. And I was just like, I'm working at chicken mason rallies and going to the club. My car keeps, but this is before I started going to

club. I was working at rallies and Chiquemaison. My car kept breaking down. And on my way to rallies, there used to be a deja vu leaving my house going to rallies. What's a deja vu? It's a strip club. I've never been to a strip club before. I've never been to a strip club at this time. I'm always constantly passing by it, constantly passing by it. My car is just breaking down. I'm trying to save as much money as I can because I hate spending money. I love to make money, but I hate spending money. So always looking at this strip club and I would call them and I would say like, are you guys hiring? Like I'm just letting you know I don't have a big butt and I don't have like big tities or anything. They're like, yeah, come in.

I'm like, yeah, right. Just hang up. Never go. And then I'll call again. Like, I'm letting you guys know, like, I seriously do not have no boobs. Like I can't even explain to you as an A cup. They're like, we don't care. Just come in.

They don't get it. Like, I really don't have no boobs. They're not. I've seen movies. Like they have big asses. I'm small. Like, didn't, wouldn't go. Finally, I call them again.

They're just like, dude, if you're going to keep calling us, like, just stop because either you're going to come in or you're not. And I finally went in and it was my first time in a strip club was the day I auditioned that one. So from then I danced and they threw $400 at me and just within those two minutes that I did my audition. And I was like, okay. this is going to be my third job. So that's the audition. You have to dance and then see how much money you make? No, you just dance and if they like you, sign the paperwork.

That's got to be so awkward. Your first time ever doing that? It was so awkward. I've never been in the strip club before. And the first time I went in was the day that I auditioned. Do they let you pick the song at all? I think they did let me pick the song, but I wasn't prepared so I let them pick it. I didn't know what was going to happen.

So was there a part of you that wanted to? wanted them to tell you no? Like you wanted them to say no, so you had an out to not do it? No. No. I feel like when I think about something long enough and I really like, this is kind of what I want to do, that's what I want to do. Yeah. But it's not that bad when you work at clubs that like you don't have to take off everything. Like, it's just you're just dancing.

And it's kind of optional too. You can work out a club where they tell you you you need to, but you don't really need to. Is that because of the laws in California? I know in, like, Connecticut, I think it's just topless, but not the bottomless. It's the laws and also, so location, the laws, if they serve alcohol or not. So usually out in California, if they serve alcohol, then it's just topless. Okay. Yeah.

Do you ever run into people you know there? No, I make sure that I, like, work out clubs very far away. like. Okay. So at this time, no. I've never. Would you wear like a disguise and stuff? No, I've never had to disguise because I would drive two hours out like before I'm at. And then I don't like to, I wouldn't like to work at clubs where they're like super hype like in the scene like where the rappers are going to perform. Like I won't be there. So it was always real discreet. Like nobody even knew that I was doing it. A lot of people now still didn't even know that I was dancing. How long does that go on for the dancing? that went on until I was I got pregnant with my daughter and how much could you make in a night doing that you can make it just depends on the right person like I would never want to go home with anything less than a thousand wow but you can make five you can make 10 thousand and how many nights a week were you working I was working once I got that money I was trying to work every single day

Because they don't give you a schedule. So as long as I had energy, I was in there. That's got to be better than selling drugs. It started to be. I quit both jobs and I solely started just dancing and it was just great. Now, did your mom know you were kind of following in their footsteps a little bit? Yeah. She never really said anything. They never said too much. It was kind of like, make sure you're saving up for the right things. Like probably like learning from their own mistakes. What about your dad? Did he feel some type of way? Ooh, my dad found out, he found out firsthand.

He looked, he looked so stunned, like shocked, speechless. It was because I went to go buy a car the second day after working at that club. I told him I had night shifts now, like a double shift. He came with me, he's like, I'll help you, I'll co-sign. I'm like, okay, that's my first time buying a car from the actual car lot. And I'm like, I walk in. I'm like, I want the newest Audi, whichever one it is. They bring me which one it is.

They're like, do you like this? I didn't even look around at the other cars. I was just like, I just want the newest Audi. And Saturday nay, I was like, yes, I love it. I'm going to get it. My dad's like, you can't afford that. I'm like, I want the car. He's like, we're sitting down.

He's like, she can't afford that. Like, do not. I don't think you should even do this paperwork. I'm telling him like, dad, like, yes, I can. Like, what are you talking about? I'm like, don't listen to him. I could afford this car. The car note is, what, $600 a month?

She starts putting down the jobs, and he's like, he puts his hand on the paper. He's like, she's not getting this car. We're getting to the work part. And I'm like, yes, I can. And I'm like, I work at Trigamason. I work at rallies, and I work at deja vu. And he's just like, he just had his mouth closed.

Like, he just sat back and he kind of just walked off. Like, I'm just like, I told you I could afford it, though. And that's how he found out. Did he eventually come to terms with it? You know what? He never talked to me about it. He never talks to me about it. Yeah, he doesn't talk to me about it at all.

I don't know. I'm pretty sure he doesn't like it. Did he ever talk to you about prison at all? Yeah, a lot. Like before and after or during. Yeah, the whole time. Yeah, he's definitely the person that I was listening to during the whole experience. Yeah.

What did you think about it when he first told you about prison from his perspective when he was going through it? And even after when he got out? So actually, after my mom told me that he was going to prison, he still had like a month or two out. And we actually dropped him off at the court date where they took him. So I got to take him and I got to see him right when he got picked up. And the whole experience, I feel like what broke him most was saying bye. Because when we dropped him off, that was really heartbreaking. Like him saying by to everybody.

And that's what he really magnifies is that that was the hardest part was saying bye, knowing that he was going to be gone for a long time. And like actually being gone and missing, you know, graduations and those stepping stones like he always said that that's the part that broke him and drove him crazy and when I went to prison I know that that's what he would always express over the phone like I know you're hurting because her birthday or I know these things because I went through it so he knew when I was hurting even when I wouldn't say anything when you dropped him off did you ever imagine in a million years you would find yourself there no no no no

At that time, no, because no, I wasn't even selling chocolate bars at that time yet. I don't know if that's illegal, but no, I was doing everything right. I mean, I was still kind of bad, but not that bad, to the point where I thought I was going to start doing anything illegal. So now, how old were you when you had your kid? I was 26, 25. 25 or 24 actually. And that's when you quit the strip club. Yeah.

The guy that I was with, he was not going for that. He was not. And I've never been too submissive to anybody else. So, yeah, he was not going for that. And then it didn't make sense for me neither with the integrity that I have. Like, why would I be dancing in the club while I'm pregnant? That's not the greatest thing to be. be doing or funnest thing to be doing it's not ideal wouldn't make you feel good were you excited to have a

baby um i never thought about having kids so i was more scared than anything but the way he supported it and pushed it and um put that future in my face of how it could be that i never imagined it kind of was it kind of made me excited it was like okay oh my god we're having a girl and like those things yeah it was it was exciting at first but scary until like it got to the nine months and I'm about to have a kid and I'm like oh my gosh she has to come out yeah how did you guys meet he's a stalker but um so he's from New York and I guess one of his friends had posted me and they were like showing off like who I am and like she's one of the ones who really does this and you know just talking highly of me on their Instagram story and I guess he swiped up and said like

oh I'm going to come out there so when he came out here he had my friend bring him to where I was at and also act like they didn't know I was going to be there so they saw. saw my story, they saw my background, they knew where I was at. My friend told him, I know where she's at. Then he's like, bring me there, act like you bumped into her, and then introduced me. And then from then on, like, it was the whole play that was around on me. They're like, what are you doing here? And like, I'm like, hey, he's like, this is this person. I'm like, nice to meet you. So I met him through a friend. He came all the way from New York to Cali. then watched my stories until they figured out where I was and then introduced us.

No, what were you known for? Was that, were you just posting photos of yourself on Instagram or? No, I was known for making money. And just living a lavish, fun lifestyle. And how are you making money outside of the club? Allegedly scamming. No, how does that come into play? I don't know whether to say allegedly or not.

But not scamming, fraud, because scamming fraud, because scamming means like you lie to people. Isn't fraud lying too? Kind of. I feel like there's a difference. Because, like, I feel like you're not lying to a business if, like, you were to do something to them. Just like I feel like it's different between, like,

stealing from Walmart than stealing from, like, your friend or someone that's like like you get what I'm saying like so that's how I kind of like separate them between scammers you're not going up to someone and holding a gun to their face saying give me everything you might be doing like uh what was it like the Venmo scam where you're but someone wants to do that you they want to do that so you're not scamming them they make money as well so if you're doing so well at the strip club why even get into scamming to begin with maybe I need therapy because I always want more. That's really what the answer is.

I feel like as a human we always want more. But what did you want specifically? Was it like a house or just having money in the bank? I love having money in the bank. I love being financially free, waking up, doing whatever I want. If I do want that car, then I could buy it. If I do want another house, then I could buy it. So I don't know.

It's just, I don't know. I don't have a specific goal for myself because most of the time I take care of my family. Half of my money, if not 75% of my money, goes to taking care of my family. Whether their car breaks down or they need money for this or they want to buy a new car, I really do most of everything from my family. I get joy out of making my family happy. So I like to always have money to do what I want, to do what my family wants to do to the furthest and highest extent. If we go to Disneyland, I want fast passes, I want the best Disney ears, I want everything.

So that's what keeps me wanting more is so I could give more to my family. It's not really for myself. Do you think there's a moment in your childhood that gave you that type of feeling? Doing for my family. Or just the idea of wanting more. too. I feel like seeing my family struggle. It just, it just, I hate it. And I don't see anything mediocre for them. I don't want anything regular for them. I want them to have the same fun experiences as I'm having. So a regular person would make money for themselves to do all this

stuff, but I have to make it times 10 because I have to do it and they have to do it. So if I get a new car. I don't want to pull up on my mom and have this new car and she doesn't have a new car. She needs a new car. Now my mom has a new car, but now my dad needs a new car because I can't treat one better than the other. So it's just, it's a domino effect of why you always need money. One thing I don't think I've talked about enough is how different money feels when you're trying to rebuild your life. When I got out of prison, I wasn't walking into some perfect situation. I was starting over from scratch. I was living paycheck to paycheck,

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Drugs? I just never liked drugs. And my dad always told me that, like, girls selling drugs, it wasn't cute. And maybe he didn't know. Probably in this time that scamming wasn't really a big. thing or like fraud wasn't a big thing so also probably less dangerous yeah less dangerous as well yeah yeah it was just it just fit more yeah and how do you get introduced to it is it through a group of friends are you doing research online i got introduced to it through the strip club the other strippers were doing that um or dancers no the guys that would spend money were throwing so

much money and it's like what are you doing like how do you make your money and then if you talk to the right person they start like oh i do this and they want to talk about it and i'm going to listen and i'm going to take some notes on that because i don't know so that's really how it happens what kind of scams are these individuals running um they were doing all kinds of stuff so I don't know. Anything popular? It's kind of more of their business. I don't know.

What's the one that you gravitated towards? I don't really gravitated toward a specific one. It's just, yeah, I don't know. And is it companies you're scamming or how does it work? Supposedly it was, well, what I owe. money, my restitution, what I got arrested for, was unemployment. So unemployment fraud. And what is that? I don't know what that is. What is government? Yeah, it has to do with the state. I think, I don't know if there's federal. I think it's just a state maybe. It was multiple states,

I believe. So it was, that's what made of federal, it was that it was unemployment. So, yeah, that was Was this during COVID? Yes. So you were getting the extra enhancement during unemployment where they give you, what was it, the bonus? Yeah, I believe so, yeah. Okay. And so what are you saying that you're unemployed or claiming unemployment? Right.

And there's probably something fabricated along those lines. Yeah. Yeah, you just have to say a specific thing, mark a certain check marks and stuff, and then they just, they were giving it out. And you were doing that for multiple states. Yeah. Now, do you use fake identities or it's all going to you and your own name? No, I never used a fake identity, nor did I use my name. Okay.

So I feel like anybody who came to me who wanted to do that, I knew what to checkmark. So. Were you one of those people that would post on social media saying if you have X, Y, and Z bank account, DM me? Oh, you were. I still see those all the time to this day. Oh, my gosh. Yes. put that in an indictment actually so I can speak about that some things kind of make me feel weird

speaking about it because I'm like like I don't know but yeah they definitely put that in the indictment I put yeah I come here to make money so all those people that do post that I look at it so they are they're all scams I look at it so like they're so dumb but I was there too so why do people ask for certain bank accounts does it make a difference um I'm not sure I don't know Okay. But so now this all ties into how that guy met you because he saw you posting online. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Now, was he interested in the scams or just you as a person? I'm not sure. I think it was a little bit of mixture of both. It was like, that's who I want to be around.

I don't know. It was a mixture. If it was just for to lock in, then we locked in too hard because now. I have a kid, so. Now, how long was this going on for? Me and him. The scams. Um. The unemployment fraud. Oh, for as long as unemployment was around, I guess.

So like a couple years? Maybe. I'm not sure. And then do you stop doing it and then you later get arrested or do you get arrested while doing it? So I didn't get arrested for my own mess-ups. Like, I got conspiracy to do fraud, and basically what happened was the guy that I was with was sneaking around with some other girl who did similar things as me. And they got pulled over or approached by some officers. And she told, like, there was checks all in the car.

There was IDs for her face on it with fake identifications. there was all kinds of stuff, fake debit cards, real debit cards. And she basically just put it all on him. And it started an indictment on him. And when they kicked down the door to come get him, they gathered up a bunch of evidence. And he was incarcerated a year prior. So anything a year prior proved to not be him

because he wasn't around during this time. So who else did it belong to? Who else did this EDD fraud? It must have been her. And then I got dragged into the indictment. Were you guys living together at that? Yeah, we were living together. But he was cheating.

I don't know if it was cheating. He said he didn't do him. Well, he could be a liar. But let me not look dumb. But yeah, I guess so, yeah. But why was he with that other girl? Did you know about her? Supposed we just work.

Uh-uh. But let her tell it. It was more, but I don't know, I don't care. So it seems like he was kind of interested in you for money, too, if he's going to someone else. He could be an opportunist, most likely, yeah. Yeah. So he gets arrested first? Yeah, he got arrested with her.

But, like, for the indictment, did they leave him go that day and then they followed him for the fraud? Yeah, they left that day. And right away, I got him a lawyer and was paying the lawyer one day. I went to their firm. That's what it's called, right, the law firm. And he was like, nope, nope, nope, get out of my office, go next door, give him a dollar.

And I'm like, what are you talking about? And he's like, get out of my office, go next door and give him a dollar. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? I don't even have a dollar. I'm like, I have a $20. So I gave them $20. And they're like, we just got this paper in. You're being dragged into the indictment.

I guess I'm going to be your lawyer. and I was like, oh. Had you talk to the guy at all? Yeah, the whole time, every single day. And he didn't say anything that you could possibly be under investigation or anything? I knew that that was a possibility. But he was saying like he's going to try to do as much as you can to make sure that I'm not in there. But he did.

He threw himself like it wasn't her all that. He tried. Now there was that much evidence. in your apartment? Yeah, there was. Unfortunately, yeah. We're pretty fucking dumb for that. But we were younger, so.

Know what kind of evidence? Just different IDs or receipts? There was checks everywhere. There was so much stuff. I guess there was like envelopes from old EDD. That's how they knew. But mainly, it was the computers. So now if you never got pulled over, the feds wouldn't have been on to you guys?

If, yep, I didn't get pulled over with him. She didn't, but. But then the state probably picked it up and recommended it to the feds because of everything that was in there. Like if you see it, there's like, oh my God, there's, it was just as dirty as a house. It was bad. So now how long after that meeting with your lawyer do you get arrested? picked up um they didn't pick me up so i paid 15 000 to like be on bond and like deal with the case outside and um i want to say it was like two years after i got to get things together and we kept

postponing and pushing court dates back because my daughter she was only a month old when they kicked down the door so i left when she was two and And yeah, we were basically just pushing it as far back as I could. I really, I just wanted to be out for her first everything. And then after that, I didn't care. Not that I didn't care, but, like, I'm ready to go. Like, I just don't want to miss her first Halloween or first birthday. And after this, let's do it.

But then they were pushing it back further. So then I ended up going in two years after. So now that they kicked down your door, they didn't arrest you. They just did a raid to look for documents. They did a raid. they arrested him. They took him. Again, the federally this time. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. So when they pulled him over, they took him to jail that time, but I bailed him out. Okay. Probably like three, no, it's seven or nine months later they kicked down the door. And they took him that time. My daughter was a month old. And what did you think of that experience?

I didn't even think that they were going to leave me there. I thought I was going to. I was like, fuck. I called my dad right away, like, hey, they're going to take us. Like, you need to come get my baby. And he came, and when they basically sat me down and then said, we're going to gather evidence and we're taking him, I was like, okay, that's kind of crazy. And then he ended up telling me later on what really happened when he got arrested

because really he just said he was arrested for a gun. He didn't want to say he was with anybody or he didn't tell me everything until after. So now do you come clean to your dad that day, too, of what was going on? Yeah. Yeah, in a way. He knew that I could be gone. How'd he take it? He was just like, I told you to stay out of the streets because, I mean, I've always sold the drugs,

so this, did that, did a little bit of the, this like i told you to stay out of the streets and he was just like fuck and he was just like he he like teared up and he was like i feel for you but you're about to hurt because you're gonna go in you're gonna see what it feels like leaving a kid so that's what he always said like while he was in there it hurts leaving you guys it hurts me not being there during it or right before you're about to hurt during it i know you're hurting and then now past that it's in the past. I know that hurt. Like, he always says that. That's really the main thing. So now the lawyer was able to get it so you could just, I guess, turn yourself in when you got

indicted rather than them come, kick the door down and arrest you? Yeah, they didn't need to do all that. Because now I have a lawyer and they're just going directly to my lawyer. She needs to come here for this and that and sit down and read over a plea or whatever is going on. Like, yeah, they just went through him. How long did that take from the time they raided your house? The two years. Oh, so you weren't under a rest or indictment or anything for those two years? No. Oh, okay.

I was never, like, had a sole indictment. I was just pulled into an indictment. But it took them two years to charge you? Yeah. Okay. So when they charge you after two years, what happens? I turned myself in to Dublin and... Oh, so you must have been already charged then by that point.

You don't get charged in that sentence. I had... I had, yeah, when I got sentenced, it was in December. When I got charged, I think is when they sent the paper, right? They just sent an indictment. They sent an indictment. They sent an indictment. Like, pulled into the indictment.

And then basically the evidence that they had against me from what they already collected in the house. But the indictment didn't go no further or nor did it go any much more back. It was only what they found in the house is what they charged me with. And what was your plan to plead guilty? right away or were you going to fight it or what's what's a lawyer saying um it was crazy because in the beginning i did want to fight it because they only had proof of me getting 30,000 that was their only proof of me getting 30,000 me walking in and getting 30,000 other than that you never see me nowhere else they had no proof of anything else so i was telling me like why can't

I just have a lower restitution because it brought my guidelines up after it surpassed 1.5 million. It brings it up higher, my points higher. So I really wanted to fight it for that. But once I started saying that, they're like, if you try to fight this, then we're going to do like a individual indictment on you. We're going to look at your past. And we're going to look at all this and that. And I'll just like, whatever, just give me the paper. Whatever.

I'm not going to fight with you guys. No, walking and where they had you on video or picture to a bank? Yeah, it was a picture of me at the bank getting $30,000. You were cashing a check or? No, I just pulled it out. So what's illegal about that? That it wasn't my bank. Oh, someone else's bank account.

Yeah, so it fucked up. And it was all related to the guy you were with? He did his own thing and I did my own thing. So they actually separated the cases because what they're charging me with is prior to his release of his last bid. So, yeah, that had nothing to do with him. And they couldn't prove anything else. Yeah, they just know he wasn't even around for this time and this got done. So it's you.

Now, by the time that they kicked your door and are you done with scams or were you still doing stuff? Um We were just No we were still We weren't doing anything We just had a baby So we were just Content with the money that we had

And join that We weren't really doing much And over the course of the two years While you're fighting the case And now on bond What are you doing? Just staying home Um

No I actually during pre-trial I went back to school To be an estetian And um just working. Since I'm on pretrial probation at that time, I had to get a job. And I'll hear in California, they get paid minimum wage at the clubs, at some of the clubs.

And so I would just go to the club, like, once a week, once a month at the very least. And there's my job. So I'll go to the club, go to work, go home, be a mom. What was your experience on pretrial? it felt like every day I felt like it was the last time me doing something. It felt like if I went to C-road with my baby, it's like, fuck, I'm about to leave. Like, I'm going to miss this. Or if I'm taking her trigger-treating, I'm just like, fuck, I'm about to leave.

Like, everything just felt like that in the back of my mind, just like, I'm about to leave. It was just sad. It was sad, but like trying to soak up as much happiness as you can in those moments. No, was your boyfriend worried that he was going to prison? My boyfriend. Or the guy you were with, the baby daddy? He was already in prison. Oh, he had gotten sentenced during those two years?

They kicked down the door. Never gave him bail. Never gave him bail. Yeah, he never came out. And how much time did he plead to? He got seven and a half. Okay. Yeah, and I got three and a half.

Did you guys try to stay together during that period? We were already broken up before they kicked down the door, but we've always had such a great friendship that the moment they took him, like, he didn't need for anything. I was there fully. Like, nothing could have made it any easier even if we were together. Like, I would still do the same things. So. Now, how much time do they offer you first for your plea deal? 12 years yeah so before they separated the cases they had us both as like masterminds of fraud and um it was going to be all together so it was 4.2 million and 4.2 million were the masterminds and everything was just morphed together and slowly

they try to take all the jewelry, all the cars, everything. They try to just take everything. And luckily, my stubborn ass has always still went to the club because I like making money. So they can't separate, they couldn't separate what I was making from the club or what was illegal to tell me this watch was made illegally. That car was not made but bought illegally. The car was bought illegally.

So I won that part And we got to keep everything And Because it's true Like I make a lot of money in the club So how are you going to tell me everything I got Was by doing illegal things So

And you guys weren't legally married or anything So at first it was 12 years Finally after It was really me fighting Like I didn't take it to trial But I fought Like every time I made a point to my lawyer.

Sophistic. How would you say? Bringing the sophistication. Yeah, like of the charges down. Simplifying it. Yeah, like, no, because there's a charge if it's sophisticated or something like that. Oh, the enhancement, like the means, sophisticated means or something like that. So, like, I fought to bring that down, fought for the jewelry, fought for, like, different things every time I went to court.

Like I was really, like I said, I didn't take it a child, but I fought hard for everything. And so finally they separated the cases because he was just like, I wasn't around for those things. So how can you charge me? And it was kind of like, you guys supposedly have him in a different state and I'm not even there. So how can I be on that? Like, you know, so they had to separate it. And so we got it down to that. And now the 12 years is kind of separated.

Like he took everything that he could. I took what I had to. How many people were on the case? Just you too? Just us too. I mean, we had co-conspirators, and of course they're going to ask you, like, who else is helping, but me and him, we don't go for that.

So it was just us in the end. You didn't snitch. No. Yeah. So with mine alone, it says I had 13 co-conspirators, but. Uncharged co-conspirators. So now, did they offer you a deal too snitch? Of course.

And that would have been no prison time? Um, I don't even know what they were saying. And they said probably probation, I think. I wasn't really hearing it. Like, right when they start talking, it's like, you could stop talking. Do you regret taking that now? It hurt because my family was just like, you care too much about, like, you care too much about your reputation and being there for your daughter is what, like, the argument was.

But it was kind of like, that's not really the case. Like, that's what really had me torn because it was kind of like, this is what I stand for, but I do love my daughter, but I can't put, like, somebody else in the fire just to make me cool down. Like, you know, like, they weren't around. It sucks that that girl even told on him because now it brought me into it. Now I have to go in. Like, I can't see myself doing that to somebody else's family, telling someone and now their

family's going through the same thing I'm going through. like I don't see that for me. What about the restitution aspect if you had told you probably would add a lot less owed? Yes, definitely. I look at it as oh well. Oh, well. So. How much did you end up signing for total for the plea deal once you were able to get everything reduced? And what was the final charge?

Three and a half years. And I got conspiracy to do fraud, EDD and Bank. So three years was the plea deal? Or that's what the judge gave? Okay. Is what the judge gave. That's what they were asking him to give me. And that's what I signed for.

So he followed that. How did it feel pleading guilty and signing your life away for three years? I was hoping the judge was going to go under the guidelines. Be like, no, one year. She's fine. but it was just like I don't know I'm I'm not too much of a cry baby so like if something happens to me I just go in there and let's get it done like I don't cry about it I just this is what it is and this is what has to happen let's go and how old were you at that point like 25

when I turned myself in yeah and what was the plan for the plan for the baby. 25, 26. She was going to stay with my dad. She ended up going to my mom's for a couple months and then back to my dad's as well. So it was on and off. And yeah. And how did your mom feel about this?

Yeah, she did not like it. I do not like to put extra responsibilities on my mom. She gets stressed out way too fast. She's like, fuck, fuck. So, yeah, she did not like it. Mm-mm. Now, when you got sentenced, how long do you have to turn yourself in? I had three months.

And did you know where they were going to send you? Um, yeah, they told me I was going to Dublin. Now, Dublin's the one that shut down now, right? Yeah, yeah, that was crazy. I actually went the day that they raided it. Oh, that was your first day? Mm-hmm. Wow, did you know anything about Dublin going in there?

Did you do research or anything? No, I didn't. I don't care. I never cared. Like, even going into the prison, like, I never sat there and cared like, what exact day am I getting out? Like, how everybody else does. It's just like, you could do the calculations. You're still going to go home the same day.

Why is it matter? Like, that's how I am. So, like, you're going to Dublin. Oh, well. You could have told me I was going to Alaska. I don't care. Just send me. Let's get this done.

No fear in your mind at all going in? No. I was just, you can't have fear. You got to just, it's what you have to go through. What about to prepare? Did you watch any shows? No, I didn't watch any shows. No, I feel like movies and shows over exaggerate things a little bit too much.

Because it's not really like that. It could, probably for the men, but it wasn't like that for the females. I mean, the only probably popular female one, too, federally at that point was orange and blue black. Yeah, and that's still kind of like funny and, like, Yeah, but no, never prepared for it. So tell us about self-surrendering what that was like. Oh my gosh. That night we had got a black truck,

and we drove it all the way to Dublin. 15 minutes before getting to Dublin, the cops surround the whole. whole car and tell us to pull over. Like, they're coming in from every angle. And I'm like, what's going on? Like, they have guns pointed, everything. Like, I mean, they were all the way 360 around us. Guns pointed and back of their door and everything. And I'm like, what's going on? I'm really turning myself in. Like, what are you guys doing? Like, so extra. And they're like, get out of the car one by one doing all that.

They had to lay us down. My daughter's in the back. I'm freaking out because why do you guys have the guns pointed? And my dad, he doesn't look too formal. Neither does my brother. Anybody that I'm with, they kind of just look like you could tell. They're kind of like in the streets a little bit. So I'm like freaking out like, oh my God, don't.

I feel like they're going to just start shooting randomly. Like don't reach for your phones. I pull out my phone. I'm recording it. I'm walking backwards. I'm laying down. I'm doing everything. They're saying, my baby's in the car. I'm baby's in the car. And finally, they get us up and they're like, we're taking the car. You can't get anything out of it. I'm like, what about the car seat? At least the diaper bag. They're like, you've got to get those things.

I took my jewelry. They took everything. They took my shoes. They wouldn't let me put my shoes on. I guess that car was involved with chain robberies in downtown L.A. so when they ran the plates, when I was on my way, it said that it was a wanted vehicle under investigation for robberies. This was an Uber car? This was a rental. So it was just my luck that I rented a black truck that was involved in multiple robberies, 15 minutes before turning myself into the feds.

Now I'm walking into the Fed, socks only, because they didn't let me get my shoes. I'm stressed out because they just. took all my jewelry. They just took everything. They took up my dad's phones. Luckily, I had, like, a good amount of money inside of my phone on Apple Pay, and I just gave my dad the password and was like, go get a different rental car and use my phone if you need it, because I had it, because I was recording them, but nobody else got their phone out when they got out. So I was the only one with a phone. And, yeah, so once I walked in, feds running around everywhere. FBI, FBI, FBI. I'm thinking it's normal. They're running around with trash bags of paper,

computers. I'm like, they must be like rearranging something. I'm in there for hours, like, so long just to be processed. They didn't care about anything. I went in with lashes. They didn't, they forgot to take off my lashes. I went in with toe rings, forgot my toe rings. Like, I could have just walked in there with anything at that point because I was just, like, what is this? Like, they're like, go, go in here now. Like, now you guys are processing me and you're rushing me to get to the spot. And I go in there and they're like, by the way, we're on lockdown.

Sorry, you can't eat. I'm like, mean. Like, they're like, you can't eat until the morning. I haven't ate all day since the morning. And now you guys are telling me we're on lockdown and I can't even eat. So once I get in there, I'm going to my cell. Everybody runs out of their cell. I was like, what's going on out there?

I'm like, what's going on? They're like, what did you see? I'm like, what did I see? Like, what are you guys talking about? They're like, the feds is getting rated by the feds. And I'm like, what? And they're like, yeah, the warden was doing this with these girls and has pictures in his phones of the girls in the cells.

And I'm like, what the fuck is going on? Like, so right away I came into drama. And so I told him like, yeah, well, they're running around with computers and bags of paperwork. I thought it was normal. I thought FBI agents should be at the feds. Like, isn't that where we turned ourselves into the feds? Like, they're supposed to be here. So, no.

Later on, we're looking through the little glass and swats coming in now and, like, walking people off. And we're watching the warden get walked off. We're watching. He was there that day? Yeah, they were getting walked off and all kinds of stuff. I was like, damn, what the hell is going on? And yeah, the girls updated me on what was going on. And I was like, well, shit, yeah.

How long did it take to finally find out that raid was for that? Was it that same day when they saw him getting walked off? Yeah, and they had it on the news. So there was like live news going on. The girls were watching it. They're like, look, look, look. Like, this is right now going on. Like, so we're in here, but we're watching what's going on out there

on the news. So, yeah. Wow. That's how it's just goes to show how dysfunctional the system is that they still have you sell surrender that day and into a prison that's about to get shut down. And then I get raided down the street for some whole other thing. Like it was just a mix up. The wardens getting walked off. I'm like, you know what? This day needs to be over. Now, you mentioned cells. Was it actual cells that they were doing? We had the doors and everything. And what is it, two people to a cell? Two people. So were you sent to like a low or a medium first?

Yeah, it was a low. Because of your points. Yeah. So you didn't get to a camp. Yeah, I ended up going to a camp. But not at first. Well, the camp there at Dublin, I think it was like before like part of the FCI or something. So it's set up exactly like the FCI.

But that was the camp as well. Okay. So. Do you remember your first bug bait? What she was like? Yeah, I do. I love her. Yes.

I still keep in touch with her. Is she still in prison? No, she's not. She got her before me. Yeah, she was so sweet. She was so sweet. An older lady. Right when I walked in, I was like, I thought, she's like, do you need a hair tie?

Or I'm like, okay, thank you for the hair tie. Like, yeah, I do need one. She gave me Oreos. And I was like, thank God for these Oreos. There was only like a brief back and forth before everybody ran into myself asking me questions. So they're asking me what's going on. One's asking me if they could buy my lashes. I'm like, no, I want to keep my lashes.

How long do lashes last? I actually made those strip lashes last me probably like two months to the end of my bid. So literally that was almost like almost two years it lasted me. I was taking such good care of these. lashes you have no idea like I was precise with them but then more kept coming so I wasn't wearing them every day um I had multiple pairs after a while like people smuggling them in yeah exactly so it wasn't like I was constantly using the same one for the whole bid but like on occasion those were my

favorite because it was the ones that I picked out yeah what are the top top items uh women like to get smuggled in. Aside from the phone, phones, vapes. You guys had vapes in there? Yeah. Wow. Vapes, jewelry, piercings. That's big.

That's really, it was the vapes, the alcohol. They would have all kinds of stuff. Shit, they would bring in tattoo guns. We had a tattoo gun multiple. Did you get tatted in prison? I did. What did you got? I got a little seven right here.

on the side of my face. And what is that for? My friend had passed away while I was in there. I was someone very close to me. And I was just like, put it somewhere. Put it somewhere. I can't even go to the funeral. I got to do something.

So yeah, I got a little seven on the side of my face. And me and my friend got matching tattoos. I got a moon with a star. What do you think of prison tattoos? It's an experience. It's an experience. it kind of hurts because they're just poking

at you. Yeah, what they used for the needle? A regular sewing needle and a broken pen ink and a cap and just yeah. But they had a real gun? Oh, okay, so I never got tatted by the actual gun

because those girls, they were doing like full-on portraits and like bigger things and I didn't want anything big. And then you got to wait in line. I don't want to wait in line I never really wanted any more tattoos anyways

I'm getting a lot of them removed so no I didn't yeah I know it's the one on your face right yeah I've been having that one that one's probably gonna stay that's my little trademark it's a little candy flashing back to their early days so now the tattoos you got in there how much did those cost or did they give them to you for free

oh they gave them to me for free I think I think one was 15 because me and her got little matching ones for 15 $15 yeah And what is that, like a pack of fish or stamps? What did I get her? I think it was just some candy. I think she just wanted a few bags of candy. Yeah.

Now, jewelry, wouldn't the guards realize you guys are wearing jewelry? Oh, yeah, we get in trouble all the time. What is it, like nose ring? Yeah, they'll come up to you until you take it off or they'll ride you up. Yeah, you're not supposed to have it. I have little cherry earrings and she caught them. I was just like, damn, I just paid like $50 for those. It's probably easier to hide earrings, though, right?

Yes, but they, they're... What, they would do searches? They would do searches, and they're just too much in your business. Like, why are you in my face so much that you can see these little cherry earrings? Like, it's just, yeah, they would do raids all the time. You would think they'd sell, like, some type of plastic earring or something that they could give people, like, on commissary? I think they'd. might have sold some very ugly earrings on commissary, but you wouldn't want those. Maybe they did.

I'm not sure. I know they sold makeup for sure. In some prisons, male prisons, they would have, in like the detention centers, they'd have the woman's dove soap, I think, or deodorant. And in the pink one, the little mini one that guys would buy because it smelled better than the ones. Yes, yes. I know which one you're talking about. Yeah, guys would like buying that a lot, the little mini half ones. Yeah. I got, I had a whole. I had a whole. box of those yeah now your first cellmate the older woman what piece of advice did she give you that first day when you got there you know what i loved how she was such a sweet gossiper because she just

put me on to everything um she really just basically i feel like the best advice was just like telling me who to stay away from and like the kind of personalities of everybody and she um She hit it spot on. It wasn't like she lied about anybody. Like she was, you're right, you're right, you're right. Like I would come in her room like, you're right. Stay away from her. But advice, I feel like she just really was more like reading my Bible.

Like just read my Bible, read my book. She would just tell me ways that she would help the time go by. So it was really reading, writing letters, things like that. Were you religious going into prison? I started going to church probably like a year after they kicked down the door. So no. But I got more religious while I was in there for sure. Now, are you in the cell most of the day there because it's a low?

Or how does that work? No, we were out. We were out, mainly in, like, the day room. Or you could walk your laps or whatever. So. Did you end up creating a little business in there for yourself? We used to throw parties. Yeah, no pay us to throw parties.

Who would pay you? Whoever want to throw the parties. And, like, they would tell us how they wanted the party. And, like, their, what is it called? Not topic. Their theme. They would tell us what theme they wanted. So, like, one girl wanted bees.

I made her a freaking beehive pinata, and it came out so good. Made her a beehive pinata. One, we made a Cinco de Mayo party. I made a taco pinata. Like, we would make all the food and put all kinds of decorations. And, yeah. How would you go all out? So I would run down.

by the commissary and grab some boxes and then just run back some i or so with them and like break them down and sometimes like if i ran out of tape because we would also take the tape if like let's say like they're not paying attention they have their duct tape right there something some one of the girls probably steal the tape and so either i'll buy the tape or i have the tape or i'll use extra tape that's already on the boxes and reuse it. And yeah, and then I'd use the construction colored paper from some of the card makers because they always have all. And then I'd like glue it down and create the whichever theme that they wanted. Do you put something in the pinata or? A bunch of candy. Shoot, we even put ramen in there just to fill it up sometimes.

Yeah. That's crazy. And then we take the the stick off the mop and like take the mop part off the mop head and that's our and then for the strings there'd be like a bunch of commissary strings from the from the bags the net bags yeah the net bags or um we'll have like somebody crochet like a long string that we can hang it from something and probably hang it from the pipe and like hurry up everybody take turns before we get in trouble now how much are people paying for a party the pinata alone is 60 dollars yeah it's got to be expensive. Yeah, the finialda alone is $60. Yeah, the food, I don't know, it depends, because it would be separated, like everyone had their part, like, just me and my friends, we like to

throw parties. So like one, I'm in charge is like the decorations. My friend's in charge of cooking. She's going to get paid. I'm going to get paid. Everybody got paid separate. It would probably be like $500 like to a party. Wow. And this is like what going home parties, birthday parties? Yeah, any party. Mm-hmm. Yep, like I said, we even did sequo my own. Now, cooking, did you cook at all? Yeah, I cooked. What did you like to make?

I got really known for the potato balls. What is that? It's like the potato chips crushed down, and then you put the chicken in the rice, and you kind of like mold it into a ball. I mean, you put other stuff. You put the mayo inside of the chips to make it moldy, kind of hold its place, you put it in the bag and whatever ingredients you want to put inside of it. And basically you just tie it up in the bag with little hair ties.

And then you put them in very hot water. And then you leave it in there for a little bit. And it literally molds. Like once you cut the little hair tie off, you take the paper around it off, the plastic. And then it'll be in a perfect ball like this. Now you're just passing around the potato balls and it's just so fun. And when do you sell those too? You know what?

I never really cared to like, I was blessed. Like before I went in, I knew I was going in. So I saved up money for my daughter. I saved up money for me. So when I was in there, it was never really a thing where I was like, I have to make money, I have to make money. If I can make money, you can. But when I make them, who cares?

I just have fun. Are you parents bringing your daughter to visit you? No, I never got one visit. Why is that? I asked not to visit. One, I didn't want them going out of their way. I don't like being like a problem or like a hassle. So, yeah, I never asked them to visit me.

And I really didn't want my daughter seeing me like that. It didn't seem... I don't want to put that in her mind. Even if she couldn't remember, I wouldn't want to. So I would visit her over the little computer. You guys had tablets? No, it was like a computer that she would go down and like it had a video call.

But it was only on these big fat computers. So now are you the type of person that went to the chow hall or did you always just eat the commissary food? Both. Both. Because I've always liked to work in the kitchen. because I would get extra food and stuff and then we'll go up back up and make it or, you know, some of the COs will let us cook what we wanted down there. Like, you guys are eating that and we're over here making cassidias and he's not worried about it.

Like, or we'll be making pizza and cookies. Like, so I feel like every time I worked in the kitchen, they came with, like, pros to it. But I would eat with, I would eat right there too. Like, if it's good enough, if one of my friends cooked well and. enough or if we made it a really good meal, like, they'll eat there. What about the whole prison girlfriend thing? Did you get involved with that? They try to get me into that.

They tried. How do they try? Oh, gosh, they come crazy. The first experience is some girl gave me an ice cream and basically said, you know, do you want an ice cream? I was on the phone. And she's like, do you want an ice cream? I'm like, yeah, yeah, go get it.

Boom. She gave me an ice cream the next day. Everybody's talking about how, like, me and her go together. I'm like, no, you don't. I just been here for like two weeks. What are you talking about? And they're like, yeah, you bought her ice cream, la-da-da-da. I had to pull it to the side, like,

I don't know what you're telling people, but this isn't that. And she's like, oh, don't worry, you're going to break in. Like, I give it, like, two weeks. I'm like, give it a couple of months. months or something. I forgot what she said. And I'm like, no, I really don't go that way. So you need to stop telling people that. And she was basically like not having it. She was like, well, anyways, like pick out what movie you want to watch because we're going to watch a movie. And I'm like, what? Like, so I'm like, no, this ain't that. And yeah, I had to tell her this wasn't that.

And I want to, there's been another times where girls would just do the most, like, right? letters and try to talk to you, express their little love for you. You'll think someone's your friend and then out of nowhere, she's like, I really caught feelings for you. And it's like, how are you catching feelings for me? We're just hanging out. I fought over girls that were not even my girlfriends. Like physically? Physically had to fight because one girl's mad that her girlfriend likes me. And I don't even go that way. Don't hang out with her no more. And it's like, Like, mind you, I'm not going to let nobody tell me as a grown woman who I can and can hang out with. So I'm still going to talk to this girl.

I don't care what you're talking about. If she talks to me, I'm going to talk back. That ends up being a fight. Now we're fighting because I won't stop talking to your girlfriend that likes me that I don't like. And how long are these fights? Is it a real vicious fight? So the first one, well, it happens. It happened all at once, like both fights.

I didn't really get in too many fights, only two, and it happened the same day. I'm sitting here just like how I'm sitting right now. And I'm talking to my friend who's on the top bunk because I'm sitting in her chair in her sew. And I scooped a chair in a way where it's like back towards the opening of the cell. But the door is open. And I'm talking to her. And I don't know where someone pulls me like from. behind but like when she pulls me she walks this way which gave me the ability to like kind of like

roll over and like get up and then I kind of just pushed her into the corner and then started being the fuck out of her and then um her girlfriend came in that she didn't want me talking to and was trying to break it up but in the midst of her breaking it up I got so mad because it's like over you that I just started I just started fucking her up too I was like I need you too because Because, yeah, they take that relationship shit very serious in there. Did you guys get caught or? No, we didn't. I thought I was.

I was like, fuck. Oh, my God, I'm going to the shoe. I didn't need to go, though. Would girls get sent to the shoe a lot there? Yeah, they would. Mm-hmm. I'm surprised that I dodged that. I never had to go to the shoe.

Now, how long were you at Dublin for? I was there for, I think, like two months. And did they close it? They closed it down while I was. was there. And how does that work when a prison closes? Basically, they told us they wasn't closing. And then randomly, two days later, some guy comes in with a bunch of green bags and throws them in the middle of the day room and was like, whoever I call off this paper, fit all your stuff in this green bag, anything that doesn't fit in this green bag, you have to leave it there,

but you're leaving in an hour or two, and we can't tell you where you're going, but the evidence is being shut down. So every day, they would come in with a paper, throw in the green bags, and you don't know where you're going, but you need to get in this bus,

and you're leaving, because the prison's closing down. How many women were there total? I don't know. In just our section, there was like 300, but like I know in the FCI right there, on the other side of the fence, there was probably like 1,500 or something.

I don't know, but there's a lot. So on the day you leave, how many are left is it? Were you in, like, the first couple rounds? I was more towards the end middle. Like, there was probably, like, still a good, like, four buses that could have been full. Four or five buses. The chained and shackle you up? Yeah, shackled all the way to your stomach, feet.

all that. And where do they take you? They first took me to Vegas. I ended up at Prump for like a month. And that's when we're just waiting there to see where we officially get sent to. That was the worst month of my life. Why was it so bad there? Because those like, what are those even called?

Detention centers? Yes. Like the towers? Those are just the worst. First, like, they don't have no good shampoo, no good food, no nothing. It's just, it's just so nasty. Oh, my gosh. I think, like, I started getting dandruff.

Like, oh, I wasn't eating. They was giving us, like, dog food with gravy. I was like, what is this? Like. Very humbling experience. So humbling. Thank God for ramen. So then after that, they sent me to Kentucky.

Okay. And Kentucky, what's the name of that prison? Atwood. Atwood? That's a camp? Yeah, as well, yeah. What was that like? That was scary.

They took us there in the middle of the night. It was 4 o'clock in the morning. And as we pulled up, it just looked like a scary movie. And then coming to find out, it was like an old asylum. So it was like in the middle of nowhere, real scary. It doesn't even look like a prison. And it looked like, it looked like just an old hospital, house hospital. And the girls half were maybe welcoming, partially fake welcoming.

And the other half didn't want us there. We were called the Dublin girls when we first arrived. The Dublin girls. The Dublin girls are here. The Dublin girls eat over there. The Dublin girls are throwing a party. We were just the Dublin girls. Like, we weren't even, like, part of them in the beginning.

How many of you were there? 38. Was it hard to adjust or not as bad because there's a big group of you guys? It wasn't too hard to adjust. I feel like it brought like the Dublin girls. It brought us closer. It brought us closer. And yeah, overall, I feel like they started seeing how, like, fun we were.

And they grew liking to us. got mixed up. Did it take a while to get into a new routine? Um, no. It was easier to have a routine at Atwood because at Dublin they kind of just let us run wild because they were closing. So it was kind of like, we don't have no warden. We don't even have staff, really. We don't even have our counselors. They're not, we don't really have medical. We're just here. They feed us. And that's it. So at least at Atwood, we actually did have like a schedule. We had work and all that stuff. What was your job at Atwood?

I started in the kitchen. Then I went to laundry and then I went to commissary. Once I went to commissary, I moved to a different prison again. And why did you move? Because they were going to put me in Ardap, but then I said I didn't want to go. Why wouldn't you want to go to Ardab and get out early? Well, one, I was possibly not. not going to get out early because my time was shorter than me finishing.

Ardap. So if I were to have said yes to Ardap, I would have still had to complete it and they would have dragged my sentence out. And I still would have never even got a year off. So by the time they decided to move me, it was already too late. Like it would have been different if I got put into Ardap right when I got into prison. I would have did a year less. did they say you had to do when you first get there and they give you like your term sheet?

My lawyer said that I was only going to do like 10 and 11 months. And that wasn't true. With ARDAB. Oh, with ARDAB. So since I didn't go into ARDAP, I ended up doing two. Two years flat, 24 months. Now, weren't there a lot of programs in place by this point in time? Yeah.

And you couldn't get any of those credits? I did like FSAs and like, yeah, I did get those. And it only took a, what, a year? off or 13 months? It took a year and a half off and um so part of the two years six months was in the halfway. Oh so yeah. Yeah. Okay. So that's not terrible. What's the last prison you go to? Arizona, Phoenix. And that's the camp? Yeah. Okay. That's where Jordan was on at too. Who came on the show? Yes. Yes. Yes. And what was the camp like from your perspective? That one was fun.

They did a lot of activities. The girls, they had like volleyball constantly. They had all kinds of things that they would do. We would constantly be playing spades, pool. Oh, you know how to play spades? Yes. I taught them that and Letitia how to play spades. Oh, we could, look, you can get beat whenever you want.

That's really, that's really what made the time go by was the spades. was the spades. And over there, the alcohol was easier to get there. The vapes were easier in the other prison that I went to. But there was fun as hell. They didn't have no phones for real. But there was so fun. Would you drink in prison yourself?

Yes. Now I'm a party girl. I'm throwing parties here too, however you. We are, yeah, it was so fun. Yeah, not like that. Like prison is not that. It's not great. But my experience there is as good as prison could get.

Was there AC in the Phoenix one? Because I was just in Arizona. It's 110 degrees. Supposedly there is. And it'll probably work for a day. But then it'll break. And they'll say it's because we left the front door open too long and the air conditioner is trying too hard to work that we would blow it.

Supposedly it was our fault. So how bad was it in there? It was so hot. It was so hot. But luckily, I left right before summer fully started. So as it started to get that hot, I was gone. And at Wood, they didn't have no, they didn't have no AC there neither. And that was the hottest ever.

It felt like I was in an oven. They had on commissary those wet rags. And like I used to go to sleep with the wet rags, I used to leave them in the ice buckets. And then before I went to sleep, I'll put them on me because it was so hot. So they come wet already? No, they're dry, but they hold like the coldness. Oh, okay. And so we would leave it in the ice water.

And before we would go to sleep, those were our blankets because it was so hot. And they sell fans too, right? Those little baby ones to put on the corners of your bunk bed. If they're in stock. Otherwise you have to sell it or otherwise you have to buy it from someone else. else. Now, your time in prison, when you reflect back on it, how do you think of it? Did the time go by fast?

Was it good for you? It was slow in the beginning when I used to think about it too much. But over time, once I got like the hang of it, it went by pretty fast. Once you get a routine and you're working out and then you're eating and then you're playing spades and then at this time we watch a movie. Like once you have a routine, the days just start going by. But in the beginning when you're just sitting there and you're just thinking about family or what people are doing, slow. Yeah.

Do you think it was a learning lesson? Yeah. It magnified my values, I feel like. It was a learning lesson all the way around, like in so many categories. Like, fuck, what am I going to do when I leave here? because I don't want to end up back here. You know, I've learned what friends are really not friends because they either didn't check up on me

or were doing things that was messed up. Like, my best friend is now with my ex-Biancee when I came out. So it's kind of like I learned who my friends were. I learned how to sit there and plan, legit, and, like, it's all the way of learning experience. He's friends with the, or she's with the baby daddy? No, she's been my ex-ve-fiance, so he came before my baby dad. Oh, okay, gotcha.

Mm-hmm. So I came out to that, and yeah, I learned who my friends are. I learned what really matters. And I learned that I don't want to come back. What do you think you realized you valued the most? I feel like I value love the most. Love and the loyalty. Like, I appreciate it.

like the love that my family has for me the love for my daughter the love for my friends like I appreciate that just a small real genuine love I appreciate that the most like that's I didn't need anybody to do anything for me

but be there so for the little people that were there and did show that love that meant the most to me do you think it helped with your desire for material things too Um, yeah, in a way. Because it kind of just made me feel like you have to switch the lanes now. I still want to live great, but not like this. I don't want this to be like a repercussion. So coming out, what did you think that plan was going to be? Um, well, actually, I don't know how I left this out. Aside from dancing while I was on pre-trial and even before that, I've had my own class. cosmetics and I did my own clothing brand. So I had legit businesses before I went in. So when I came out,

I kind of just continued that. I want to continue that, those legit things and continue designing clothes and stuff like that. And now cosmetics, like you designed your own or you do that for people? No, I design my own. Yeah. I mean, I would take that into consideration and help people design theirs too. Sometimes I do do that. But I don't ask them to give me money for it. It's just how I am. Tell us about getting out of prison and going to the halfway house. I was blessed to be able to get picked up by my family and brought to the halfway house. So when I was leaving, everybody was just screaming and, like, hit in the windows and clapping and cheering and stuff.

And, like, it was, like, a surreal moment. Like, it's kind of weird because you make friends and it's like, you. You don't want to leave them. Like, you kind of want to just stick them in your backpack and bring them with you. Like, you're my friend. I don't want to leave you. Like, I wish I could bring you. So you make a lot of good friends, or you just don't want to leave them.

They're good people. And I just got in the car, and my baby screamed so loud. And, yeah, I was just so happy. It just felt, it didn't feel real. I couldn't eat because we went to Wendy's, and I was like, I can't eat. It just felt, it didn't feel real at all. It didn't feel real at all. But it felt great at the same time.

And then to the halfway house, automatically they were just so rude there. Bishes. I was like, they're worse here than the prison. And just had to get used to that as well. Yeah. It was hard there too, though. We have you doing a whole bunch of shit

and they're so on your ass at the halfway houses. That's the worst part. Yeah. Now what were they doing about finding work for you and things of that nature? Were they giving you passes to go out? I've had multiple people, like friends that have their own companies or businesses, that was going to let me work for them, put me on their payroll and everything. And they're giving me a hard time.

Like, no, you can't work for them. You have to go find your own way and put out an application. I'm like, why are you guys trying to make it harder if I have the connections to just get on my feet and have this job? So they were making it hard. I was just fine. I'll just do this when I get out. So you stay there the whole time? Yeah, I'll just do this when I get out.

Yeah, I didn't get a job in there. You couldn't go to home confinement at all from there? I went to home confinement in the end for like two months, maybe, yeah. Now, do they make state people with you guys there or no? No, I don't believe so know. So you just stayed inside all day for a few months? Yeah. That's got to suck.

It did suck when you're around the staff because the staff there, they act more like CEOs and the CEOs acted. Like, I don't know, Mrs. and Mr. No badge, but they are so rude. And so I stayed outside with the guys, mostly. There was only like three girls there. Oh, you guys lived with guys there? Mm-hmm. It was co-ed at the half-o-house.

But they had their own hallways, like their hallway our hallway. Is that a positive or a negative thing? It was positive because now my guy friends are buying me food. But it was also negative because, let's say, like, for example, some random guy complimented. I didn't know. He didn't compliment me. He told somebody else like, damn, she looks good in those leggings. that created such a chaos when the staff heard that.

I didn't even know he said that I wasn't even around for that. And they made me sign a paper that I would stop wearing leggings because like my body shape, like I put out a complaint like you guys are like discriminating me because why can't everybody else wear leggings? But I can't. And you guys are trying to make it seem like it's a sexual thing. Like how am I being sexual? I'm wearing leggings.

So that was the negative of it. like I felt picked on. So I was like, okay, fine, I'll just wear a big ass fucking tent shirt and some sweats. Like, so. And now tell us about going viral on social media. Does that happen in the halfway house or is that after? That happened while I was at the prison. And so when I got to the halfway house, I saw more of it because like when you're in there,

you don't really get to see too much on the phone. But when I got to the halfway house and I actually had my phone in my hand, yeah, I saw everything. And I was just like, it's not that big video, guys. But it was kind of, it was funny. It was humorous to me. It was funny because the back and forth, like, what is it called? Like the opinions that I've seen, it was just like, okay, calm down. You guys are dragging it.

So you posted those photos from prison. Yeah. Well, I had my mom go and scan the photos. I sent them home. she scanned them i don't know where she scanned them at and uploaded them to her phone then she sent them to me for me to upload them so then it wouldn't just be like a regular picture of like me holding the actual picture so she scanned them she sent them to me on the phone and um i uploaded them to my instagram left it alone and then i went back onto my gram and then it was just like everywhere

and i'm just like wow okay well i'm happy that half y'all agree and the other half you guys don't have no taste. What was a plan? What did you want to come of that? I posted that after I heard people were talking about me saying that I was doing bad in prison. So I'm real egotistic, even though I don't like to, I'm going to take accountability. I have a big ego. I'm really prideful.

So when I heard people were saying that I was doing bad in there, I kind of was like, What are you talking about? Like, I'm doing perfectly fine in here. So I wanted a post picture where it was like, I'm fine. I have friends. And I'm good. I'm fine in here. Like, and I look good as fuck.

Like, I'm fine. So literally, so I'm fine. I'm fine. And I'm fine. So free the finest. And that's where that came from. Yeah, what was the title like, the finest felon or something? Free the finest in the feds.

Finest in the fed. That's iconic. Yeah. Now you see so many people that are in prison posting. Yeah. prison photos. There's one girl I've been following on TikTok. She's actually in her bunk making videos. I think that's a little too much because you could get in trouble. Right, right, right. I was scared to do all that. Like, she, she was, that's crazy for her to do that

because I was scared to do that. You know what I'm talking about the girl with the grays? I think she just got released to the halfway house. I think there's multiple. There's so many now. It's crazy. It's a thing. The pictures you have deniability because you could say they came from the camera phone or the camera in the prison center. Right, right, right. Exactly. Because I did send the pictures. Yeah, you could tell them. Like, I sent those home and they posted them. But the videos and the making all, it's crazy. Yeah, at that point, it's like, taking a risk. Were people surprised that you were in prison when you posted those? Um, you know what? I've had this conversation with a few people. They were, they really said,

like, it was crazy that it kind of went viral, but they were like, we knew that was going to happen if you were to do that. Because, you know, Not just because of your looks, but because of, like, who I am. Like, not, like, people know who I am. So, and people, I support people. They support me. So, like, after not posting for so long and then finally posting, like, everybody was supporting it.

And, you know, maybe the algorithm got just picked up from all the love that I've ever gave out and all the love that's came back to me and it just went up. Did you get any celebrities DM you from those at all? Oh yeah, yeah, definitely. And that's when it went re-viral. Because, like, 6'9 was telling me free you. And I was like... He DM'd you? Telling me, what? You put people in prison. You're going to say free me. That's wild. So I had posted it. Like, no, we don't condone that. Like, I'll accept everybody free use, but we're not accepting no free use from no rats. And then it went re-viral again. So you're not a 6-9 fan?

I'm just not a rat fan. I went down for a rat. I don't, my dad went down for a rat. I'm not a rat fan. The cop has control. We're not doing that here. We're not doing that here. That is hilarious.

Mm-hmm. I mean, and he was probably in prison or going back to prison or just getting out at that same time too. Yeah. I don't know. He basically said bitch fuck you, but I was like, whatever. Oh, wait, that's what he said back to you? Wow. So whatever.

What do you think is the fascination by men of women in prison? Like those types of photos, I noticed it with quite a few. They just get picked up, right? Yeah, they just go super viral. And all you are is wearing like grays. It's not like you're in a sexy outfit or anything. I think it's probably the same thing as like girls into bad boys or something. Like guys being into bad girls is like, but now it's a thing.

Maybe before it just wasn't glamorized like that, so not too many girls would show out. Before I posted a picture, I didn't see too many people, or especially girls, like, posting this because it's kind of looked like if you're like glamorizing it. I wasn't really trying to glamorize it. I was kind of just trying to prove a point that I still look good and I'm still doing good, you know? So it wasn't like, ha, yeah, I'm a badass. I'm in prison. That wasn't that wasn't the message So I feel like now it's more of like

Girls are coming out and they're not really ashamed as much I don't know and the guys just they eat it up They just eat up the bad girl thing maybe Like this girl will risk her life she's crazy I love it I don't know And there's a lot of people that say it's fake too Like what's fake? The photos and stuff Oh yeah there's there's no there's some people

who really take fake prison photos and they even do streams where they're like fake in prison and it's like you guys are like why do you guys want to fake being in prison? Like I won't even go to an escape room and do the escape prison one.

I don't want to be there. We just did a bank robbery escape yesterday. I don't want to be there. Yeah, I don't know what the glamorization of that is. Maybe it's like the unknown to some people. They don't know what it's like so it's kind of like cool to them.

Have those photos going viral opened up any doors for you with your business or anything? It has. It opened up exposure to me. It opened up like more light to my name. Like I feel like I could do more legit now because I have somewhat a platform. And, you know, some people start off with nothing. They start off with no followers and they open up a boutique or they open up a restaurant. They can't get it out there.

I feel like now that I have somewhat a small platform, I could still build that into something no matter what I decide to do. How long ago did you get out? Five months. What's life look like now? Right now, I've been creating. Right now is like the buildup. So nobody has been seeing what's been going on behind the scenes. They've just been seeing me with my daughter and live in life.

But I'm definitely building. And yeah, it's all going to. drop soon. Was it hard to readjust a mom life after a couple years? Heggs, no, I feel like it's in my bones. Even though I never thought of me being a mom, it's like the thing that I'm best at. It just clicks like I am, before I'm anything, I'm a great mom. So, no, it was very easy to just step right in and get back to what I am.

Now, is the father of your child still in prison? He is still in prison. Do you plan on rekindling things when he gets out? I don't know about that. I mean, we'll see. I don't even want to say that, but we have a good relationship. Like, we're really good friends. And I don't know.

We don't really speak too much about that. I don't. That's just my dog. Have you explained to your daughter where her father is? No. She doesn't really ask. She thinks he's at school. He'll say little funny things like he's with Stitch.

Like, she's still little, so she doesn't really understand. Will you have that conversation with her? I feel like no. I feel like no. I mean, some people want you to be honest with your kids. I feel like there's some things they don't need to know. If we could just let it go, then why even tell them that? what if they get glamorized by this type of thing?

What if they get like inspired by this look? Because I know I was inspired by how my dad looked and like what he was around and that type of like, kind of like lowriders and gang life. And like I loved it because of how much she loved it. So I really wouldn't want to tell her like these are things. If it comes across or a picture gets brought up, like, yeah, it's part of my. pass but I don't want to we're not going to speak about that because it's not something I want you to look up to what about the restitution what's your plan for that what's a dollar amount um if

let's say any part of my business they take 10% that's what the judge ordered uh-huh until it's fully paid off but fine no is that they take 10% of gross or net or how does that work um say you make 10 grand this month. I don't really know how it works out. I'm still getting to adjust to it. I have no idea. I just know it's like

before taxes, I think, because they also take away part of the taxes as well. Okay. I'm not sure. And is it like the honor system? You submit how much you're making? Yeah, every month. Every month.

While you're on supervised release. Yeah. Okay. And then what happens after supervised release. I have no idea. I've been asking people the same question. Like I said, I just go with it. Usually I know, like, whatever the judge order for supervised release, it ends technically when supervised release ends, but sometimes the financial litigation unit just goes off

of that order. So, okay, actually, I did ask somebody and what they had said was basically it stops there, but then I think I'm not sure if it's the IRS or whoever it is. they come after and they're like, okay, well, you still owe this and then you get on a plan with them instead of to the courts. Yeah. Yeah, something like that. But they just kept the same plan, the courts had issued.

You still did it the same way, but. Yeah, mine was $1,000 a month. Oh, wow. So I pay $1,000 a month. And that didn't matter how much you were making? No. I mean, they still asked for reports and stuff, but I've paid way more than that. Like when I did Mr. Beast, I gave them $150,000 and I pay aggressively towards it.

but mine's also a lot smaller was 500,000 right so that's really achievable I think when you get in the millions it's it's a lot harder it is harder but that's if you think of it is hard I agree too but the average person because if you have 500 that's just 500 four times no I agree with you but think about the average person that did like a five or 10 million dollar scam that all they've ever done to make that kind of money a scam was scam yeah and then they kind of come out it's hard i think the two me i feel like i i feel like i i feel like i got them yeah do you hope to pay it all back yeah yeah get it out of the way for sure yeah i don't have a problem of paying it back do you think it's the right thing to do um i don't know i i feel like i did my time so that's a highly you know contested topic right i feel like if if i had to pay it's either I feel like it's either I pay it or I go to jail. Not I go to jail and I pay it because like what? That's crazy.

So I feel like, no, I don't think that they're deserving of it or anything. There are ways, you know, to negotiate it with lawyers and stuff, try to get lowered. Right. I did hear that there is ways to lower it down. Now, who are the victims, just major corporations or? The thing is, is that when it can. came to the unemployment, it's like the people. Oh, the individuals that the names were used.

But the people were never victims. You get what I'm saying? If you could understand, like, I never took someone's information and did something like without knowledge. So it's kind of like, there was never no real victims. Oh, because they were involved in it. Part, no, no. Or however you get the numbers or whatever.

Yeah, like it was just, yeah. So there was never no real victims for me to sit there and be like, oh, they deserve this money back or I did somebody wrong and scam somebody. Do you know where the money goes? Is it to the government? I guess it just goes to the government, yeah. So you're not even paying the people. You're paying the government because they got scammed. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, you know, there's probably going to be a lot of people that side with you on that. Yeah, so, oh, well. What do you think is the biggest lesson you learned throughout this whole thing between going through, you know, pre-trial and prison and getting out? The biggest lesson? One, don't shit where you sleep. Two, I mean, it's something that I knew. but magnified, always put some money up, always have money up. Um, you know, be careful with your

surroundings because even though it's not you fucking up, someone else could bring you down. And I've been locked up with females that had nothing to do with shit and they got conspiracy and they couldn't beat it. And, you know, you got to be careful with who you're around as well. And, um, Yeah, really those two things. Just if you're going to do something, do it as right as you can. Keep your money up. Make sure you're around the right people. And yeah, God first always and family too.

What's your plan to stay away from the fast money aspect? Dive more into my legit businesses that I did have. because I was almost 90% already in it until I randomly just met somebody and they were like, let's go hard. And so it was just like, damn, I was like this. But it's achievable. So just continue doing what I do best, making clothes and creating businesses and making money. Awesome.

Well, sweets, I appreciate you coming on the show today. Thank you. Yeah, I'm glad we could sit down and connect. Yes, this was great. It's lovely here. Thank you for having me. Of course, my pleasure.