Locked In with Ian Bick - I'm a Texas Syndicate Member Who Spent 20 Years in State & Federal Prison — Here's What That World Really Looks Like | Cris Bazan

Episode Date: July 28, 2026

Cris Bazan grew up in Texas, started gang banging as a young teenager, and eventually started his own street gang with his brother before a nine year sentence in the Texas state prison system at 17 years old pulled him into the Texas Syndicate — setting off 20 years of life inside some of the most violent correctional facilities in the country. In this episode of Locked In with Ian Bick, he describes what the Texas prison system looked like in the early 2000s, what starting wars with gangs like Tango Blast actually involved, what getting confirmed and validated as a Texas Syndicate member meant and what getting sent to the SHU after validation really looked like, and how violent the state system was during that era. He also opens up about catching a federal sentence after his release, spending five years in the toughest federal penitentiaries in the United States, and what the difference between state and federal prison as a Texas Syndicate member really revealed about which world was more dangerous. _____________________________________________ #texas #truecrimecommunity #prison _____________________________________________ Connect with Cris Bazan: YouTube: https://youtube.com/@crisbazan956?si=TdKdn0F5XQio-fLu Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/1MDHYTuCuD/?mibextid=wwXIfr TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@crisbazan956?_r=1&_t=ZP-97vDdgMbs4N Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/crisbazan956?igsh=MXByeG4xeHppa2l0eA%3D%3D&utm_source=qr _____________________________________________ Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ _____________________________________________ Timestamps: 00:00 Introducing Cris Bazan's Story 01:00 Upbringing, Family, and Early Gangs 05:00 Creating N2P and First Gang Experiences 10:00 Entering Prison and Joining Texas Syndicate 16:00 Prison Politics and Survival Tactics 21:00 Gang Wars, Rivalries, and Institutional Life 27:00 Solitary Confinement and Its Impact 36:00 Transition to Federal Prison Life 41:00 Life and Politics in Federal Prison 46:00 Transfers, Riots, and Prison Hierarchies 52:00 Life After Release & Reintegration Challenges 01:01:00 Family, Regret, and Hopes for the Future 01:09:00 Plans, Reflection, and Final Thoughts _____________________________________________ To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://advertising.libsyn.com/LockedInWithIanBicka

My guest today is Chris Baezan, sent to the Texas prison system at just 17. He joined the Texas Syndicate, survived some of the bloodiest gang wars in the state's history, then served another five years in federal prison. After more than 20 years behind bars, he's one of the most credible Texas Syndicate insiders ever featured on a podcast. I'm from McAllen, Texas. What was your upbringing like? I've been gangbanks since I was a kid, about 13 years old,

in and out of the system since I was 13. Where were your parents? They were there, but I've been doing my own thing since I was a kid, you know? So, yeah, I've been in and out of the system since I was 13 and became an adult. Did 12 years TDC, state prison right? Got out and then got picked up by the feds. I just did five years in the feds. What did your parents do for work?

Dad's dead already, right? Mom's a teacher. And she was a teacher when you were a kid? She became a teacher because of everything that. what's going on. You know what I'm saying? Try to guide us down the right path. She became a teacher, you know? Just didn't work, though. How are you as a kid before you ever got into gangs? How was it as a kid? I was cool, smart, you know? I think I wanted to be a scientist. I like rockets. You know what I'm saying? I think I wanted, I was, I was cool, dog. It's just

chose a different route, you know. What happened? How did you get into gangs? The money, the drugs. Really, the money, the drugs. Really, the money. and eventually women, you know. Did you guys grow up poor? Is that why you were attracted to it? Nah, we had money. We did our thing, you know. We did our thing and it was just a lifestyle, you know.

Lifestyle that I chose, you know. What gang did you join? When I was a teenager, in 1998, when I was at 14 years old, me and my older brother created our own crew right here, N2P, nothing to prove. And two P. I was 14 in 1998. He was like 14, 50. He was 15. And I want to say at the peak, at the peak, at our peak, the most members we had was like maybe 50, right? Homeboys and Homeboys. 50. Wow. Yeah. But then when I turned 17, by law in Texas, once you're 17, he was an adult, right? So when I turned 17, I went to the county jail. And when I hit the county jail where I'm from

the valley, but they put me in the tank with, you know, T.S. Do you right? Texas Syndicate. And well, me, I was a bad mother, a little badass dude back then, right? So when I put in the tank, where they asked me, who do you run with, right? And I told him, shit, N2P, right? Then I said, homeboy, that shit don't run in here. And here, you're going to, and here, this is what runs. You know what I'm saying? So you're going to get down.

You're going to run solo. What's it going to be? I said, shit, well, I'm going to get down with Texas syndicate, right? So that's when I put in work for T. And I've been T.S. It's, what is Texas syndicate? It's, uh, it's an organization. Is it?

It's an organization. Just prison related or outside of prison? Nah. I like to say it's just a prison thing. Yeah, I like to say it's just a prison thing. Now, why couldn't you have ran with your own crew in there? If you were 50 large, it's pretty good size. Yeah, but no, you got to understand the penitentiary, the prison politics and shit.

Nah, the street gang shit stays out here, you know. Street shit stays out here and there it's all prison shit. Plus back in 2001, Texas syndicate really ran a lot, you know, the penitentiaries and shit like that, you know. How do you end up in jail at that age? I want to say, well, I sold dope. I robbed people. I robbed people.

I sold dope. I was just robbing people, I guess. Jacking cars, shit like that. So I went to TDC. I did 12 years. I've been to TDC four times, you know, for guns, for drugs, for robbing people, robbing cars, shit like that. That was right away at 17. You went from the county jail to the state.

I went to the state in 2003. That was my first time in TDC, 2003. Because I bonded out. When I was 17, I bonded out, and I went on the run. And then a task force finally got me. When I was coming back from Mexico into the United States, a task force got me, which was January 2003. And that's when I first went to TDC.

So you ran to Mexico. Something like that. And why did you come back then? Because I fucked up, dog. I fucked up, right? I fucked up. So, yeah, yeah. So that's when I first went to TDC, 03.

Did you know how many years you were facing when you ran? No. No, because there was so much that went on between 2001, 2003. A lot of shit went down, a lot of shit I did. So I really didn't know what was going to happen when I finally got caught, you know? Now your old crew was completely done with? Well, yeah, I went in prison where I went in different ways. Some became T.S.

Some became tango. Where I'm from is tango vayuku, you know. The Valley Boys, right? Whatever, Vyuku. So, you know, we all went at different ways, you know, different ways and shit. What about your brother? Where did he go? He did 16 years in the state.

16 years TDC flat, right? Right now he's like out of state working. He got a bad ass job. He wants me to go out there with him. But, well, I'm on federal probation. You know, I can't just travel like that right now. You know, I just got out. Did he end up joining the syndicates too?

Nah, he's tango. He's tango, yeah. Do the syndicates and the tango go against each other? Some penitentiaries, yes. Some penitentiaries, yes. But really, like, I was in the state when all this shit really kicked off between T.S. and Tango, right? I know because I kicked it off myself, you know, more with Tango bless, you know, because all these tangos at one time, they were under our wing, you know?

They were under our wing, but whatever happened happened. And then, no, there's already a lot of, like, how can you say it? Like, truces, no, just respect for respect, you know, understandings, you know. So the marshals picked you up when you came back across the border? Yes, yes. And then it didn't become federal. They just brought it to the state charges. I just went to state prison.

And they sentenced you to 12 years? No, no, no, no. I did nine years that time. Nine years? Yeah, got out. I've been a TDC. Where'd they send you? Shit, I've been all over.

Dominguez unit. Willie C. Unit, Connolly Unit, Gibb Lewis High Security, Telford, Bill Klaman's High Security, Smith High Security. I've been all over TDC. Tell us about these prisons, especially coming from the perspective of someone that's Texas Syndicate. Well, back then, it was rocking and rolling, man. It was badass because we were all in population. When I say all of us, it's like Texas Syndicate, we're classified as a security threat group. Like the Texas Mexican Mafia, that's a security tech group. Arian Brotherhood of Texas, that's a security threat group.

So once the state, like the GI, the gang intelligence officer, because I didn't have no tattoos back then. I didn't have no tattoos. Once they have enough from intelligence or whatever to say that we're a member of this STG, then they confirm us and they segregate us. Administrative segregation, that's like solitary confinement. So, yeah, after one, two, three, let me see. I hit one of my rivals at Dominguez.

I had another rival at Willisee. I hit the tangles at Telford. And then I hit the Tangoes at Bill Clements. So when I hit the Tangoes at Bill Clements, the Tammons told the GI, hey, this guy's T.S. All these guys are T.S. We don't want these guys here. So that's how we got confirmed and segregated.

And once we got confirmed and segregated, that's it. We're behind the door, you know. The only way for us, a security threat group to get released back in the population is to like cooperate with the laws, you know, like fucking debrief and shit like that, you know? So obviously we're not going to do that. So now we're stuck behind the fucking door, you know, in a solitary confinement. So what does it mean to hit a rival?

Fucking just attack. Attack with a knife. It's on site, you know. No matter where you go. Don't matter. No matter. Back then it was a lot of us were in population, you know. I'm talking about the early 2000s, mid-2000s, all over to like 2010, 2011, 2012.

Now we're in, what, 2026. Now, 2026, I mean, it's rare if you see fucking T.S. in population in the state. But now in the feds, the feds is a different story. In the feds, we're all in population, you know? So the tangos, they show up on a Texas yard. They know what it is, you know, because the feds, you got Texas yards and you got Caliards. Texas yards, you got the Texas Syndicate, the Texas Mexican Mafia, the Barrio Aztecas, you know. And then you got the Caliards, which is like the Black Hand and the Sureno.

and the tangos and the paisas, you know? That's how it is in the fids. But we're all in population. So, I mean, they know what it is, you know. They're here in the fizz. They can't tell the G. I hear, this guy's T.S. lock them up, you know? They screwed, huh?

How do you know who's who? Especially at that age, you're new to the gang. How do you navigate that? What do you mean? Like, how do you know who's Texas syndicate? Who's tango blast when you first get to a yard? You got to hit them up, dog? You hit them up.

What you're wrong with? Strip down. Let me see your tattoos. You know what I'm saying? But if you don't have any, how do people believe you? I mean, if you have no tattoos and you can be solo, that's fine. You know, we'll respect it. We'll let you make it, right?

But just gonna watch you, you know, because you might be undercover, you know? But didn't you say you didn't have any tattoos when you first got there? No, I had no tattoos. Now I have tattoos. So how do they believe you? Just your word? Yeah, well, back then, well, it depends. Like who you're talking about, like the laws?

Like when they asked me or other inmates? Other inmates. Oh, other inmates, I tell them right away. I'm T.S. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I'm not gonna deny it with other inmates. I'm gonna represent that shit. It's just with the laws.

You never tell the laws you were a gang member, dog. Because you're snitching yourself out. You know what I'm saying? So I had no tattoos back then. The laws asked you, when you pull off the bus, who do you run with? Nobody, solo. You know what I'm saying?

Run with my feet, that's it. Could you survive solo back then in the early 2000s? Yeah, you could. You could. I mean, it's just me. I've been gang bang, on my life, you know? So it makes sense to just go from a street gang to a prison gang, you know? I've been gangbanging on my life, dog. So it only makes sense to move up, you know.

And to me back then in 01, moving up to the Texas Syndicate, I mean, that just makes sense, you know, it was the right thing to do, you know? Who was bigger? The Blass or the syndicates back in 2001 T's, dog? Blast wasn't even really as big as it is now. The reason blast is as big as it is now is because all T.S. in the state, we're all fucking segregated, you know? As soon as a T.S. shows up to Garza West or a TDC unit, the blasts. If they don't click on them, they fucking snitch them out. You know what I'm saying? And they get picked up right away, confirmed, segregated. And that's how it works in TDC.

And the feds, it's a whole bunch of fucking TS and the feds because we're all in population, you know? Now, what does the word confirm mean? We hear that in the shock collar movies. Confirmed is like in California, they call it validated. Yeah. Okay. It's like validated. California, they use a term. validated here in the state of Texas, we use the word confirmed. Once you're confirmed, it's like, that's it. You're confirmed. You're validated like, oh, fuck. I don't know how to explain it. Who validates you? The state. The GA, the GI, the gang intelligence officer.

They confirmed because like I said, you never put yourself out there like that with the laws, you know, you never tell the fucking laws. Oh, yeah, this, I'm a gang member. You know, you don't do shit like that. So, yeah, when I first hit the state, fresh off the bus, fucking, they pull everybody to the site, who you run with? Nobody. Let me see tattoos. I ain't got no tats. And they just straight to population. Now, once you get the population amongst the inmate populations right away, this is who I am, what's up, you know?

You got to represent, Doc. Now, how do the cells work back then? Are they putting you in different cells with different gang members? Back then, yeah, in the state, yes. In the feds, well, you've been to the feds. Yeah. You know how in the phase we all have ourselves, our tables, our TVs, right? In the state, it's not like that.

In the state it's random, yeah. So what do you do? if there's someone, say, an enemy in the same cell as you? You attack, Doug. You attack. It's on site. So why would the prison even put them in the- Prison don't give a fuck, Doug?

Prison don't give a fuck. Prison does not give a fuck. Were you scared going into prison? Scared, no. I wouldn't say scared. I'd say more like anxious. Anxious, because I know what time it is. I joined in 2001.

Texas Syndicate was at war with one, two, three different gangs at that time. Not tango. We were not at war with tango. 0-1, where we're with the pistoleros, the RUs, and the Chicanos. So I wouldn't say I was scared. I was just anxious, like, let's go, let's do it, you know? The war with the tango was, I didn't fucking come to like 05, dog, 05. I kicked that off with the tangos in 05 and 06.

And then from there, it just like a domino effect, you know? What were some of the rules you had to abide by? The rules? Yeah. Respect for respect. I mean, I'm sure there's more, but I'm, I'm speaking all that, you know? But like prison rules inside? What do you mean?

Like could you associate with other races? Could you- Yeah, of course. I mean, if you want to, me personally, I don't fuck with a lot of people, you know? I don't trust a lot of people, you know? But I mean, yeah, you're a grown-ass man. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what you do?

You fuck up, but you know what the consequences are, you know? What were the prisons like in the early 2000s then? Was there TVs, entertainment programs? Two TVs for each of section. Two TVs. One TV for the Mexicans. One TV for the blacks. The whites, they sat with the Mexicans, you know.

Yeah, TDCs. That's it. In the fucking section or the unit, whatever, the building. Yeah, two TVs. It's not like in the feds. In the feds, we have a whole bunch of TVs and shit, you know. But, yeah, the fucking state back then, it was a... I mean, it was all right.

You know what I'm saying? It was violent. Not as violent. as the feds. I think the fucking feds is way more violent than the state. Really? Fuck, yeah. Well, I was in USPs. You know, in the feds, the fighters I did in fucking, the feds is way more violent than the 12 I did in the state. Because in the feds, you know, we got the no hand policy.

Everybody's using knives in the feds, you know? So in my opinion, I think the fucking federal prison system is way more violent than the state. So you guys weren't using knives back in the early 2000s? We were, we were. But I just, the fucking feds to me is way more violent, you know? Now, how were the guards back then in the 2000s where they kind of hands off let you guys do your thing? Yes, yes. The laws were cool.

You know what I'm saying? The laws, they were laid back. They didn't fuck with us because back then it was more respect, you know? Now that all the families are in SEG and you got all the tango's running population in the state. Now I heard it's all fucked up, right? I heard Mexicans didn't even got no fucking TVs no more, you know? They lost the TVs and shit, you know? Because you got these guys with no fucking, no, no, no, no, no text.

I'm fucking schooling or no organization, no structure, you know. So, I mean, that's what I heard. I don't know. I ain't been in the state. I left the state in, I left TDC in 2018. That was the last time I was in TDC, 2018. Were you guys checking paperwork in the early 2000s? Nah, nah.

I mean, we would check a, what's that shit called? The commitment, like judgment. We would check the judgment papers and shit like that, right? But it's not like in the feds. In the feds, we check the PSIs, the transcripts, the shit like that, right? In the state, we were just taking the judgments, seeing what your charges was, you know? Were they letting sex offenders on the yard back then?

Fuck no. Fuck no. That must have been hard to adjust to in the feds. Why? What do you mean? There's so many sex offenders. Yeah, but in the feds, you're not going to see a sex offender on an active yard. Like the penitentiaries I was at in the feds, Macquarie, Florence, Pollock, and Allenwood, those are active yards.

So you're not going to see no chomels, no sex offenders there. You're not going to see gays, homosexuals. You're not going to see homosexuals either in the active yards. These are the active Texas yards. Of course, snitches, rats. You're not going to see them there either, right? But yeah, you don't see sex offenders on the active penitentiaries in the feds, you know? And in the state, I heard they got their own, like, units and shit in the state.

I don't know. I haven't, I left in 2018. I'm sure it's, we're in 26 now, so I'm sure it's changed, you know. Now, did you envision your whole life was going to be in prison? when you're in your early 20s? Fuck, yeah. I never thought I was going to make it out of prison, dog. For real.

I never thought I was going to make it out of prison, man. Did you ever have any attempts against your life? What do you mean? Like, did anyone try to kill you? Well, yeah. I mean, I was a fucking active gang member in prison. We was at war, you know? Yeah, of course.

We fucking crashed, dog. We crashed. And, uh, but, eh, we all know what we signed up for. Now, how do you live in a unit when there's a war going on? Well, I mean, it's all say, you know. It's on say. So as soon as you see your, your fucking enemy or they see you, it's, you know, better attack before they do, you know?

But is there any peacetime? Like, how do you eat? How do you just go about your day? It's better just to fucking hit and get it out the way, Doug. Hit, get it out the way. And then one's going to get shipped off and one's going to get really expected population, you know? But you have to do time in the show. Yeah, of course.

Of course. You have to do time in the shoe, 30 days, two months, whatever. But yeah. Now, what about showers? How do you guys do those when there's a war going on? You're talking about like security? Is there security? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

What do you guys do? I heard now because in the state, no, I ain't ever seen no shit like that in the state, right? But in the feds, I heard there's some conflict brewing. So I heard now we do have security. But when I was in the feds, like I just got out February like five months ago, right? Nah, we don't even know fucking security. Like, we don't need security. Like, that's beneath us, you know.

But I heard now there's some shit's going on, so I heard there was holding security, you know, holding watch and shit, you know. Now, were you considered young in the gang? Yeah, of course. Of course. I joined when I was 17. Were there a lot of other young people? No, no, no. I mean, after I joined T.S, a lot of my homeboys that was N2P, they joined TS too, you know.

A lot of them, they, we all went down the same path, you know. And a lot of them, they still T.S., you know. And, but the rest, they all went like tango, tango vayuku, you know. What was it like growing up in prison? Rough. That was rough. That was rough, man. Was there anything you really missed that you wish you got to experience?

Yeah, the free world. The free world. I love my free world. I love my free world, Doug. But I fucked up, you know. So why coming out of that first sentence did you put yourself in a position to go back? easy money, the fast life, get back on my feet, you know. So after the first nine years, what happens?

I got out 2012. I went back to doing my thing, slang in this shit. I got rated in 2013. I got rated 2013. And I found math, coke, bullets, like, fucking 40 grand cash. And they got me and my baby mama, me and my chick. So we're out on bond for like a year and a half fighting the case because they didn't have a warrant. On top of that, they didn't fucking declare my money, you know.

So I want to say it was like October 2014. My chick, she's like six months pregnant with my child. And I know because we went and I seen it on the sonogram. That's my first child right there. And I told my lawyer, you know what, I'm not going to fight it no more. I'm not going to fight it no more. Get me something good, dog. I'll plead guilty.

then drop everything on my chick already, you know? Because we were going to fight it because they had no warrant, you know? I was going to plead guilty right away to drop everything on my chick. She's like, not fuck that. Let's fight this shit. So that was that. But once she was six months pregnant and I see my child on the sonogram, I told my lawyer, man, I'm going to go ahead and just plead guilty.

Drop everything on my chick, get me something good. So that's when I went to TDC. They gave me a two. I played guilty to the, it was like 40 grams of cocaine. They dropped the meth charge. They dropped the bullets charge. the money, just charged the money to the game, right? And I did like 10 months on that too.

Then I hired a parole lawyer. I did 10 months. I got out on parole. And I see my daughter, my oldest in August 2015. She was, what's that, like 10 months old? Something like that. It was the first time I see my child, my baby. Then I was only out for 11 months, and then the task force takes me down.

They catch me with a Glock 40 and like an ounce of cocaine. So I go back to TDC. I'll do another two-year sentence in TDC. This time I do the whole tool, they didn't let me get no fucking parole. You know, obviously I fucked up. Last time they gave me parole, so I did a tool. I did it from July 2016 to July 2018. And then January 2021, the feds picked me up.

They picked me up in a roundup. They picked up 13 of us. Came out of the news and everything, right? And Texas syndicate shit like that, right? And yeah, I went to the feds in my five years. But the feds only got me for a gun, you know? They gave me 72 months, which is six years. Six years for a fucking gun, dog.

That shit was fucking crazy, dude. Because it's a felon with a gun, right? Yeah, a felon with the gun. And plus I have history. I have a history, you know. So I ended up doing a little more than five years, like five years in like two months or five years in a month on that six years sentence. So now when you get out of prison after nine years and you get back into street life, is it hard to, I guess, get your footing? Like, how do you know who the suppliers are?

How do you even rebuild? It's not hard for me. Been gangbanging on my life. Everybody knows who I am. You know what I'm saying? It's just, hey, I'm back. What's up? You know?

Now, where was your parents at that point when you got out? Dad was... I'm both my parents with her in McCallon, right? But I live alone, dog. You know what I'm saying? I do my own thing. I don't get my parents involved than what I do. I'll stop buying.

Hey, what's up, Mom. Hey, what's up, dad. I'm back. You know, I'll help me with what I can. But I do my own thing, you know? I left my parents' house when I was a kid. Like I said, I've been gangbanging since I was a kid. So I live when I was like 13 years old.

I'm doing my own thing, you know. Does that get lonely? Nah, I always had chicks. You know? I always had chicks and the, yeah, of course I got the homeboys, right? But sometimes I just want to be alone with my chick. You know what I'm saying? When it's time to get gangster, all right, we get gangster.

Let's go homeboys, let's do it, right? But sometimes it's just me and my girl, you know? I'm a little romantic too. You got a sweet side. I got a sweet side too, huh? It's not all violent, all right? Do you think you hurt your parents emotionally by going the path you did? Yeah, I know my mom, yeah.

My dad probably, but dad won't show it, you know? My mom, my mom, yeah. What would you do if your child did that to you, went down that path? How would that make you feel? It's like this. I got two kids. I got my oldest, which is 11, and I got my youngest, which is 5. She's going to be 6.

My youngest was four months old when the feds picked me up in January 2021. So she's going to be six years old in September. Now, if my kids, my daughters were to go, like, done some fucking gangster path or whatever, I mean, I'm going to let them know. I mean, I doubt that it will ever happen because they got good moms, you know, both of my baby moms, they both, they're good women. You know what I'm saying? I got nothing negative to say about them.

First one left me when I went to state prison. Second baby mama left me when I went to federal prison. Okay. fine, I understand you got needs, right? That aside, hey, they raise my kids good, you know? They raised my kids good. It is what it is. So I highly doubt my daughters are going to come down some fucking gangster path, right? But if they do, I mean, shit, I got my kids back to the fullest, you know? That's my flesh and blood right there. So now when you went back to Texas State prison, are you validated? Confirmed. Confirmed? Yes, correct. So when I went back,

after I did that nine, right, when I went back, right after bus, obviously, because it falls from the county jail, it's like, Basan, come on. And right away, hey, it says right here, your T.S, dog. I says here, you're still active. Okay, so what's up? Are you going to fucking cooperate with this? Are you going to debrief? So you can let you out to population? Or you're going to still be active? I'm still active, dog. So I went back to segregation. You know what I'm saying? When I did that 10 months under two, that I paroled, I went, those 10 months, I didn't back in Seig. Then I made parole from Seig. I got out. And then when I went back for the two, another two year sentence, right? When I got caught with the gun and the zip, same thing. Fresh off

the bus, Basan, come on. He says, right here, you're still active T.S. Are you going to cooperate in debrief or are you still active, still active, dog? So back to the fucking to say, to the shoe or whatever the fuck you want to cut it. What do they want you to say? They want you to be like undercover? They want you to cooperate, dog. You know what I'm saying? If they let you back to population and shit, you got a fucking snitch, you know? And I ain't gonna do no shit like that, dog. So I just, I'm already confirmed, you know. Now I got the TS on my chest.

When I first got confirmed back in 2006, I had no tattoos, dog. But when I got out in 2012 after that nine, well, I got my paperwork saying I got confirmed by the state. Because not just anybody can put the TS on. For one, you got to be a Carnala, a made member, you know? That'll be a made member, dog, for one and for two. If you never been confirmed by the state, you better not put the,

fucking T.S. on, you know? Because what if you go back? You're going to go straight to Cig, you know? So you got to be confirmed. So I got my paperwork saying I got confirmed in 06. So when I got out in 2012, I got the TS tattered on my chest out here in the world, right? I got the TS real big right here. Are there people that do it even though they're not confirmed? No, no T. Not no T. They wouldn't risk it? No, that's because you know what time it is? Like, if you've never been confirmed, why are you going to tattoo it on you, you know? It's like you're fucking giving yourself up, you know? Yeah, no.

No, how was solitary? That's got to suck for that long. Yes, yes. 23 hours a day, you locked up in your cell. And in some prisons, we don't get that one hour of recreation. Like I did five years up in Amarillo, Bill Clements High Security Unit, up in Amarillo. I did five years there from like 2005 to 2010. Yeah, after Telford, after we kicked that, after I kicked that, I found Telford with Telford

I got sent to Bill Clements. And I came that off of tango was Bill Clemmas and I got confirmed in 06. So from 06 to 010, I was in the high security unit, administrative segregation or solitary confinement. And we didn't get no wreck back then. You know what I'm saying? We had a fucking run team. I don't know if you ever seen it on TV where a guy covers his doors, his cell doors, and the officers, like a fucking a team comes in, a team officers with a shield and the, yeah,

so they got to come in because they got to clear the door. We're running team back to back then just so we could get our one. hour of recreation because they didn't want to give us her one hour of recreation, you know? Back then it was bad, dog. Back then it was bad. The fucking officers out there were pieces of shit, you know? Were the showers in the cell? The showers were in the cell, yeah, because it was a high security unit. The high securities, we got five high securities in Texas. Bill Clemison Amarillo, all red in Iowa Park and Smith High Security and Le Mesa, give Lewis high security in Woodville and Estelle high security in Huntsville. I did time in four of them.

What is it do to your mind being in there? It's like psychological warfare. You know what I'm saying? If you're weak, it's going to fucking break you. You know, if you're weak mentally, it will break you. I've seen people fucking kill themselves, you know. Well, not literally kill us at that, like, seeing you kill yourself, but like, like, right through, you've got the cells right in front. You know, you're going to see the other cells.

It's like, one day this guy's alive, he's fine. And a couple days later, like, fucking he either slits his fucking veins or gangs or gangs himself. or whatever, you know. I remember when I was at Bill Clemson, I'm a riddle, the guy in the cell next to me. I don't know how he did this, right? But there's like this big vein right here. He fucking cut himself and somehow he fucking got that vein and fucking tore it out, right? And I'm in my cell, walking back and forth to my cell jamming out, and I smell blood.

Like, you know, when it's a lot of blood, it has a certain smell to it. I think it's that iron that's in the blood. And I smell fucking blood, dude. So I come to the door and I'm looking out the windows, and I just see fucking blood just coming all over the floor and I'm like fuck and I didn't know what it happened but when the officer made this round he looked in that cell next door

and I guess the dude was lying on the fucking floor with a whole bunch of blood and when they put them out and threw him on the stretcher that's when I seen like he had did something right and then that's when I later the officers talked and he's like yeah he fucking that vein went there he fucking just

tore it out or whatever he ended up dying though how do you stay mentally tough in there I exercise I read I jam out I love my music I love my music they sell us a radio

so I just I would have a speaker in myself I just crank that bitch up I'll jam out and just walk back and forth then myself working out

and reading and writing letters I had a whole bunch of pen pals back then this is way before social media you know and then

yeah that's it what did you do like write a prisoner like yeah writeupprisoner.com say writerprisoner.com was fucking badass back in the day, dog. Before social media, like, I got on Rider Prisoner like in fucking 05 or 06. Man, I hit, I hit with a whole bunch of girls, dog, from all over the United States.

The ones from California were the best, dude, they were down, you know? They were down. But when my parole got, because I got, my parole got denied. And, well, after so many denials, these girls, it's like, damn, dude, you're never coming home, right? So I understand why they fell off, right? But yeah, write a prisoner was badass back then. Do they send a photo in the letter? So you see what they look like?

Yeah, of course. Of course. And what are they saying? Just, hey, they tell me I look good and they say with their pictures. Hey, you look good too, girl. What's up? And are they putting money on your books too? Some of them did.

Some of them did, yeah. Could you get commissary in the shoe? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you see me, I draw. Like when I was in population, I did tattoos. And once I'm in the shoe, segregation, I draw. I do like illustration boards or handkerchiefs and shit. So I draw and I sell my work back there to shoe.

Where did that creativity came from? Were you always like that as a child? And 2P, nothing to proof. This is my crew. We were tagging crew. I used to climb on billboards. I used to climb on billboards and spray paint. I used to climb on buildings and spray paint.

A lot of my auto thefts, like a lot of the cars I used to steal, we would steal them so we could go tagging. You know what I'm saying? You got to understand. Like I've been running streets since I was 13. So, but at 13, I ran with the local crew, right, with the big homies and shit. They're from my city. But in 1998, when I was 14 years old, me and my brother created N2P, and we're already well known, you know, my nickname at that time was Clue, C-L-U-E.

So we used to go spray painting a lot. So I love graffiti. I love graffiti. And that's where that talent comes from. Once I got locked up, I picked up a tattoo gun and started tattooing. And then once I got satire. segregated. I started drawing on handkerchiefs and illustration boards, you know. My mom still has a lot of my boards and handkerchiefs that I did, you know? Why not get into something like that

professionally when you were a kid? I don't know. Because it's just the streets, dog. I love it, you know, the money, the easy money, you know. I made a lot of money back in the day. What was a lot of money to you back then? Why, I really can't put a number out there, dog. You know what I'm saying? I ain't trying to fucking incriminate myself, you know? But I made a lot of money, dog, you know? But knowing what you know now about, you know, money and just the world, do you think it was worth it? Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah.

It just I fucked up because I didn't invest. I didn't invest. All my money was all cash money, you know? I just, I partied. I partied with everything. Knowing what I know now, I would have invested it, you know? But it's how to go to, the fairs really opened up my eyes. But when I went to federal prison, you're surrounded by fucking.

a whole bunch of fucking dudes, you know, white collar crimes and shit, like money charges. Because in the state, it's a whole bunch of violent, violent dudes with violent charges, right? Knuckleheads in the state. And the feds, it's a different breed, man. So now it's, now I would have, like, invested my money, you know? I guess that was my mistake. All the money I had made back then, I never invested it. When you're sitting in solitary for all those months, do you regret joining the gang?

Nah. Do you think about leaving? Nah, no, no, no. I never regretted it. I never regretted it. I mean, I know why I joined. I loved it. And me getting confirmed and segregated is just part of the show, you know?

It happens to shit just about all of us, you know? As long as your fucking square business, dog, if you're going to get out there when you see the enemy. And once you hit the, once you hit the fucking enemy, you're going to get confirmed and you're going to get segregated. So I knew what it was, dog, you know? I don't regret. I don't regret anything, you know.

Has that considered success getting confirmed? Nah, not really. Like, you don't want to get confirmed. You know, we want you in population, stay in population. But now, since TDC is so fucked up, right? The system is so fucked up. You got the thonging shit in the state, you know? It's all fucked up, dog.

So it's really hard for like a real fucking gangster like T.S. or M. To like actually be in population running shit, you know, in the state. Now, in the state and the SIG and solitary confinement, the shoe, whatever you want to call it, yeah, you know, they're running shit back there, you know. But it's not the same, dog. Success is being in population, doing you thinking population, you know? That's success. Did you see how things changed between, like, the different gangs while you were in the shoe?

Like, you'd get word back and whatnot? Yeah, of course. Yeah, there's a line of communication. From talking about from SIG to population? Yeah. Oh, yeah, of course. So you would know, like, who's fighting who now? Yeah, of course.

Of course. You would keep up to date. Of course. And even right now, now in the Hopata penitentiaries, there's like a ceasefire between T.S. And the tangos. So now, like, if a T.S. shows up, we have, like, a ceasefire. Tangos, they're letting us walk. You know what I'm saying?

It's respect for respect, you know? I know it sounds fucked up, right? Letting us walk. But it is what it is, dog. They're not going to snitch us out to the GIs. They're not going to jump on us. It's respect for respect, you know? And it sounds.

I was fucked up, but it is what it is, dog. It is what it is. Was there air conditioning in the solitaire? In the high securities, yes. In the old prisons, nah. Like, Coalfield, Beetle, Darrington, East Ham, Ferguson, the old, the old, the old penitentiaries in the state, there ain't no AC of those.

But in the high security units, Bill Clemens, Telford, Bill Clemens, Gibb Lewis, or Smith. Yeah, we got AC back there. What about the food? Did they feed you differently? I mean, I think TDC food is better than fed food. The only time the fed food is better is when you have the contracts. Like, you know, with a kitchen worker in the feds.

You have contracts with the kitchen workers. That's the only time you eat good. A lot of people think that the feds feed is better than the state. Like when I was in TDC, a lot of people are complaining about the food. Talking about, oh, they feed better in the feds, right? This is coming from people that ain't never been to the feds. They're just going based on fucking rumors. Okay.

Now, I've been to the feds. And nah, the feds, if you're just going based on what they give you on the trade, it's fucking nasty, dude. I prefer state food that's on the trays in the state than what they fucking feed us on the feds, right? But in the feds, you have the opportunity of making contracts with kitchen workers. So you get to buy badass food, you know? They cook badass food for you. So that's the only good thing about the feds. But in my opinion, I think the state feeds better than the feds.

So now you go to the feds. What's it like walking onto one of those yards, your very first yard? My first yard was USP Macquarie in Kentucky. I got there, October 2021. Right after I got there, the NFs. You ever heard of NF? No. Some gang from California, prison gang from California.

They had just killed one of their dudes there, man, Tibbs. And I had already heard about Macquarie. It was rocking and rolling, right? Because we're all in population, dog. And, yeah, but if I get their fucking. Killed Tibbs, right? And you got a lot of high profile dudes there in McQuarrie. When I got there in 2021, you had a Supreme from New York when they had that issue with 50 cent the rapper. Yeah, McGriff, right? Yeah, McGriff. Yeah, I was there with Prime. Supreme was there.

You had a Gino, the founder, one of the founders for the Latin Kings, Gino Colon. He was there. Tommy the butcher, Tommy Pintero, the one for the Bonanno Crime family. Tommy was there. He's a good dude, man. We're all right there in the same fucking unit in the same building, you know? In the feds, it's called the unit. A building is a unit. Not like TDC. In TDC, a unit is a whole prison. And the feds are called units.

So right there, I had Prime, Supreme, like, what, two cells down from me. I had G&O downstairs. I have Tommy right in front. That was USP McCrary, 2021. Now, where do you go? Because you're not in Texas anymore. What do you go? Like, who do you click up with?

My people. But is there enough people there? Fuck you. Fucked. What, Texas Syndicate? Yeah. Fuck. It's big, huh?

Yeah. Yeah. And the feds were all in population. Yeah, we're deep there. So why don't they segregate? I don't know. Like, why isn't it like the state? Yeah, yeah.

I don't know. I think the feds, the only time they're going to segregate you is like if you fucking kill somebody, then they'll send you to ADX. In Florence, Colorado, like you kill somebody. They'll send you to ADX, right? Or they send you to the smooth program, special management, right? Yeah. Okay.

So that's the only thing, right? Aside from that, if you like, just stab somebody. you'll beat someone up, you go to the shoe for like 30 days and then you get released back to population. Was it hard to learn the Fed rules? Nah, not really because you're right there in population. I mean, as long as you're smart, you'll catch on quick, you know? What was the hardest thing for you to adjust to or the biggest difference?

The lockdowns. Because we get the lockdown a lot in the feds, you know? Someone gets fucking stabbed, right? Someone gets hit. We get locked down. For like a week or two. I remember my first lockdowns, like two weeks. Yes, yes.

So it was hard getting adjusted to that because the phones, You know, saying the phone calls and shit like that. No phones, no messages, you know. Now, are you guys at war in the feds or no? With who? Like, what do you mean? With anyone? Do you have enemies in the feds or is everyone kind of?

I mean, everybody's really bumping heads with the Baisas. You know, that's it. But as far as T.S. and tango's, no, it's a ceasefire. And, I mean, not just with the Baisas, right? Baisers, they're just different, you know? I don't think they get along with nobody. But you get along with, like, the Italians and the blacks. Oh, yeah.

Of course, of course, yeah. Now, in the feds, a lot of it's ran by, like, cars. Is that different in the USPs? Well, a car is just like your region where you're from, right? You got the South car, the Midwest car. And really, that's just them, you know? They're not on gang time. You're on gang time.

It's like your T.S. Or your M.A. or your A.B. Or you're a blood or your crib, whatever. You know what I'm saying? But, I mean, yeah, the cars, they run like a gang. but I mean, yeah, they do their thing, you know. Were there tangos in the feds? Because I had never heard of them until I interviewed one.

There is, but they're not in our yards. They don't walk with us. You know what I'm saying? Oh, they don't put them on the Fed yards at all. They don't put them on the fucking Texas yards. Okay. Texas yard where the Texas Syndicate walks, yeah, they're going to put no tangos out there.

And if they do, the tangos won't come out. For real, dog, I swear. I'm telling you because I know. All right. I know. And they fucking say they pull up to Macquarie or Polack or Florence or Allenwood, right? Everyone knows they're their Texas yards. Everyone knows you got T.S.

here. So you want to go out to the yard? They'll let you out, right? A lot of them like, nah, man, y'all got T.S here. Like, yeah, they won't come out, dog. So do you think the tangos talk a big game? They do, dude. That's why I'm here right now, man.

To cure up these fucking misconceptions, dude. A lot of people don't know what's going on why we're confirmed and segregating the state, right? Because I'm real active on social media. So a lot of these fucking tangoos, they're out here commenting stupid-ass shit, right? But they don't know what the fuck you're talking about, dude. Like, I've been there. I've been there since the fucking early 2000s.

I was in population. I'm the one that kicked off the fucking war. You know what I'm saying? So I was there, dude. And just the whole fucking, the white were locked down and shit like that, right? That's why I had to speak on it. why and how we get locked down

because they fucking either we hit them and after so many hits we get confirmed and segregated or they snitch us out and we get confirmed and segregated that's why we're locked down in solitary confinement

or administrative segregation all right that's why now in the feds where we're all in population them boys ain't trying to see us dog they don't come out to the fucking yard they chicken off the fucking bus dude they're if you got T.

you got T. Oh well they can't oh I can't walk there with them they checking off the fucking bust, doc, because in the feds we're all in population, dog. And we all got knives. And as soon as you walk into the unit, we're stripping you down. You got fucking tattoos that say you're this. Right there, you're going to get hit, dog.

Everybody knows this. You know what I'm saying? But yes, the tango's talked out of that fucking big boy fucking talk, right? And that's why I'm here, dog, just to clear that up, you know, why it is, how it is in the state. Now, are you only stripping down someone that you think is? No, everybody that's Rasa, everybody that's Mexican. Yeah.

Like the whites, anyone that's a white dude, the white strip them down. Blacks, they do the blacks. Mexicans, we do the Mexicans. You know what I'm saying? Now, does anyone in the Mexicans, do they go and like become Muslim at all or change religions to get protected in the feds? Yeah, they do. But normally if a Mexican runs with the Muslims, it's because his paperwork's fucked up.

Because the Muslims don't check paperwork. They protect a lot of people. Yes. You know that, right? I saw that. There was a lot of sex offenders undercover with the Muslim. Yes.

Because Muslims don't check paperwork in the Muslims. They got that, like some saying that they don't beat their brothers or some shit like that. So normally, if a Mexican shows up to a Texas yard, right, an active yard, and then he gets on Muslim time all of a sudden, oh, yeah, you fucked up. You fucked up. Something's wrong with you. We don't know what it is, but we're going to find out. We won't get your name and your number.

And then from there, we take it from there. And then once we got proof or whatever We let the Muslims know Hey look Right here Y'all gonna deal with it or are we gonna deal with it Of course the Muslims They just run them up

They run out of they take them to the front Hey go you gotta go get the fuck out of here So they won't protect him Nah Once we got proof right That he's a Chomo or whatever A Chomo or a fucking rat You have the Muslims

They're going to run them up I mean in today's world You were there in the early 2000 21 21 22 Is it even possible to hide Nah fuck no If you're a fucking Chomo or a rat everything's coming to the light, dog.

With technology and shit, everything's coming to the light, dog, you know? Now, I heard in recent years they don't allow paperwork anymore, is that true? They allow transcripts now. Okay, they don't allow, though, like your PSI. They don't allow PSIs no more, but it's real simple. It's real simple.

You're going to get your PSI. You're going to mail it out here to this person. This person is going to check it. This person going to let us know you're clean. You know what I'm saying? There's ways around everything, dog. You know what I'm saying? Just because it can't come into the penitentiary.

That's fine. Don't worry about it. Send it over here out here in the free world. You know, you got 30 days. If it's not done than 30 days, well, you know what time it is. Compare the federal guards to the Texas guards. Well, Texas guards, they're laid back, you know. Now, federal guards, like I said, I was in four different penitentiaries.

Out there in Macquarie, Kentucky, they're fucking big old fucking redneck boys, dog. Fucking, damn, they love, they love. to fucking, they love when people are fucking stabbing one another because they get to tackle them. You know what I'm saying? Big old fucking boys, dog. Alleywood and Pennsylvania, it's like a zero tolerance penitentiary there. Pollock, it's mainly all blacks, right? They're cool, you know?

Florence, Colorado, mainly all Mexicans and they're cool. You know what I'm saying? So it really depends on where you're at, you know? It depends on where you're at. And in the state, I've been in a whole bunch of different penitentiaries. The Texas guards, I mean, they call, they lay back. They're respect for respect, really. In the state, it's more respect for respect.

In the Fed's more, yeah, respect for respect, but I mean, everybody's looking for the money, you know, trying to get paid in the feds. Does your state prison record transfer over the feds at all? Like, say, SIS or any of the investigators, do they? Well, I mean, they have access to it because it all comes out in your PSI. You know what I'm saying? And your PSI has everything, like, your past. Is that what you mean? Yeah, or just a.

I guess anything in fractions. Like, do they know who you are? Oh, you're talking about the cases and shit? Yeah. Like shots? If you catch cases in the state, does it come to the feds? Not, I guess not that. It comes over, but they're aware of it.

Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah. The SIS and the Feds, they can easily reach out to Huntsville in Texas. And hey, what's up with this guy? And Huntsville got to everybody's file. You know what I'm saying? So, like, if you was a bad motherfucker in the state, you have the SIS and the Feds, he can easily find out what's up, you know?

I'm assuming. Why do you leave Macquarie? I went to Florence, Colorado to do Ardap. They opened up Ardap and Florence, Colorado for us for Texas Syndicate because there was another yard in Oklahoma called El Reno. Okay, but all of us that are confirmed, we can't go to fucking El Reno because in the feds, we're called a DG disruptive group. So DGs cannot walk no FCIs.

We're stuck in the USPs. So that's why I did all my time in the USPs. So I did like two years in McQuarrery, USP, right? And then when they opened up ArDAP, that's when they told me, like, because I qualified for ArDEP. They're like, you want to go do R-DEP at USP Florence? I said, fuck yeah. So I got transferred on the program transfer. And I was at USP Florence for like a year and a half.

I was in Ardap, but we had a riot there with the natives. At the Ardap place? No, not at the Ar-Dap place and the population. Oh, okay. Because you have R-DEP is in the unit. But at USP Florence, the program R-DEP is like when they call a chow or whatever, like we all go together. child where I would have wreck together, you know. It's not like in the other yards where our debt is isolated.

Now, the natives are not a big group, right? Fuck, yeah, they are. They're deep. You got to understand. These guys, they live in reservations out here in the world. So everything they, every crime they commit, it's a federal offense. So they were deep in Florence, Colorado. And the unit I was in, there was like 20-some natives, right?

And there was only like 3 T.S and like five solos from 3.4. Texas and it was over a fucking cell. They were in a Texas cell and a TSA, you know. And they didn't want to give it up, you know. And they just said some shit you shouldn't have said and we took it to them, you know. Now, what do you mean they were in a cell? Who assigned them to sell the guards? No, no.

In the feds, in the feds, we all have our own sales. Texas, T. This is a T.S. It's a T. T.S table. It's a T. A TV, shit like that. You know, in the feds.

And they were in a T. S. Holding it down for us because we, obviously, we didn't have enough home. was in that unit. So, but then we got some solos from Texas that got there. And we taught him, hey, you know what? We're going to put him in their cell. And the natives had the fucking nerve to tell us, hey, well, they're not T.S.

You know, if he was T.S. We'll give him the cell. What the fuck? I don't give a fuck if he's not T.S. We're telling you what the fuck it is. That's our fucking cell. Get the fuck out. You know, we're putting him in there.

Oh, no, no, y'all are talking about shit. Oh, yeah. And we did what we did, right? So it just pops off there. Just like that. Just like that. Wow. Just like that, dog.

And how do the guards respond? Ah, fucking they hit the deucey. When you were in the feds, were they hitting the deuses? Yeah. Yeah, they hit the deucees. Everybody runs, all the laws running, shit. And yeah, it was like 15 against six, because it was three of us T.S. We had three solos from Texas.

They got out there with us, right? And there was about 15 of them. And yeah, it was crazy. What did they put you all in the shoe or? Yeah, we went to the shoe. We're all going to get smooth. But this is when they shut down Thompson. They shut down Thompson.

It was 2023. They shut down Thompson. Thompson was the smooth back then. And they shut it down because they had other murders there. So when they shut down Thompson, they just shipped us all off, right? That's where I went to Pollock USP. I didn't last long in Pollock. Pollock was fucking, when as I got off there, it just shit popped off.

You know what I'm saying? And then from Pollock I went to Alleywood. I did my last night. Went to Allenwood. I just got released from Allenwood in February. So you got kicked out of Ardap? Yeah, of course. Of course. I guess of course. I'm surprised you even did Ardap to begin with. That's tough. There's no politics, right? Nothing.

Yeah, there's no politics in Ardap. There's no politics. Well, it's like this. It's an active yard. Florence is an active yard. So everyone there's a fucking gang member, basically. You know what I'm saying? Now you're saying no politics like what? Like you don't, there, it's more, I don't know, like you're not following the politics, I guess. Yeah, but why not? You're on gang time. Just because you're in art. Don't mean shit. You know what I'm saying?

I mean, you're on gang time. You're on gang time. I guess that's different in like the lows and the mediums. Yeah, I've never been to a lower medium. I can't speak about the lows and the mediums. I'm stuck in the pens. I'm stuck in the high security fucking penitentiaries because I'm in the feds.

We're DG disruptive groups, right? Like Texas syndicate is DG. The Texas M, their DG. The Black Hand is DG. the AB from California's DG BGF is DG and I think NF they put them back on the DG list So once all of us that are

Cass have a disruptive group And the feds We're all stuck in USPs We can never go to a fucking medium An FCI or a low You know what I'm saying? Now when you're in transit Do you encounter a lot of the people

That are in lows and mediums? Like say at Oklahoma, the transit center No, Oklahoma we go straight to sake dog Oh, they keep you separate Yeah, yeah yeah DGs can't walk You're talking about FTC, Oklahoma? Yeah.

Yeah, we can't walk FTC, Oklahoma. It doesn't matter. If you're a DG, right? It doesn't matter. As long as you're DG, you're going to the shoe. So all those guys that are in the units aren't real gangbangers in? Yeah, but they're like tangos or fucking Sureinos or Norteños. They're not disruptive group members.

A disruptive group member is a member of a family or Crown family, you know, T.S. or M. You know what I'm saying? We are what you classify as our disruptive groups. You know, we can only walk in USPs. So FTC Oklahoma is not a USP. It's just a transfer of facility. So you're not going to see no real fucking gangsters there in population in FTC, Oklahoma.

You know what I'm saying? All the real gangsters, we go straight to the shoe. I was there with all the guys, like, in face tats and stuff that were going in the Texas yards. I was scared of them. Why? I don't know. They just look scary.

I mean, yeah, they shit. I mean, I mean, I guess to some people, it's intimidating. But nah, I mean, we know what's up, you know. I didn't realize that, that they kept you guys all in the shoes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, if you're a DG disruptive group, yeah. What about on the plane, you're put together or now? Yeah, but you're on the plane.

We're all handcuffed and shackled. Yeah. So now you go after Colorado, you went to Pollock. Correct. Why didn't you last long there? We got into it with the blacks. Got into it with the blacks there and just a whole bunch of it got shipped. off. You know what I'm saying? From there, I went to Allenwood and Allenwood. I did my last month

there. Do you guys normally beef with the blacks? Everybody does. There's, that's, and you know how you asked me a question earlier about security? And I told you when I first hit the feds, we did not have security, but I told you something's been brewing right. I really can't speak on it because like I said, this is fucking like right now in real time going on, you know? It's a real time shit going on. But, uh, yes, I'm just going on. So now we do have security at Pollock, right? because the blacks, right? So did you even have enough time to get your property? Yeah, yeah, I was there.

I was there. I was there. I was there for like a few weeks, you know, a few weeks, you know. But it's escalating because you got so many polycus, like a fucking world into its own, dude. You got a lot of money there, you know. When there's money, there's problems, you know, a lot of money, a lot of dope and a lot of opportunities there. Well, I don't all the heads just get together. and make peace.

Because the guys on the bottom are fucking stupid, dude. You know, and not adult fiends and shit, and they run up bills, they don't pay. And it's like this. Like, your homeboy owes me so much money. Are y'all going to deal with it or no? And if y'all don't deal with it, we deal with it, and then all of a sudden that shit escalates, you know?

How are you supporting yourself if you kept moving from prison to prison? I was taking care of. I was taking care of. Plus, I made a lot of money when I was in France, Colorado. Florence Colorado was awesome, dude. I did not want to leave Florence, Colorado. I had it made there, right?

Is that attached to the ADX? Okay, so in Florence, Colorado, you got the ADX, right? When you got Chappo and all the terrorists, right? That's an underground prison, the ADX. Okay, then you got the U.S. The ADX, it's the highest supermax. And beneath that, you got the high security federal prison, which is USP Florence, right?

And then beneath that, you got the FCI, which is, like, the medium. That's where you got, like, the tangoes and the Sureanos. And then beneath that, you got... I like the camp or the low, whatever. It's a federal correctional complex right there in Florence, Colorado. So when you come down that street, you got the USP here, you got the ADX there, you got the FCI, and then you got the camp. So, yeah, I mean, I wouldn't say it's attached to it because there's like it's over there. I mean, you could see it.

You can see it. Like, when you come into the USP, you can see the ADX. Who do you think was more advanced, the SIS and the feds or the gang investigations? Texas. The feds, SIS. The SIS, they're fucking so in tune, so much shit, you know. They have more resources? The more resources also. Yeah. Do you think there's more like informants and snitches on the ground in the feds? Or is it both the same?

Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. In the feds. I never seen so much fucking snitch until I got to the feds, you know? And the state, the state is different, dog. The state is just, I mean, when I was there, it was good, you know. There really wasn't too much snitching, you know. when I was in the state, but in the feds, dog, like, motherfuckersnitch on you just to get you out the way. You know what I'm saying? They don't want to fucking hate true or whatever, or they're not about that life, you know, pushing that knife and shit.

They just fucking kite you out. You know what I'm saying? Now, when they kick you off a yard, do they put you through diesel therapy? What's that? Where they kind of drag you out, like it'll take you two months to get to the next prison or, you know, they make the route longer.

Like, instead of going straight there, you're going to go to three other prisons and stay in the hole. Okay, in the state or in the feds? In the feds. Okay, in the feds, we fly. In the feds, we fly. So there's no diesel therapy in the feds. Well, the plane could be diesel therapy, too, if they have you stop at multiple spots.

Like, they had me go to Chicago for like a month before I went to Wisconsin. Yeah. I didn't ever experience that in the feds. In the state, when I didn't experience that in the state either, the diesel therapy. Now that you mentioned, I think I know what you're talking about, but I've never experienced. but I've never experienced it. It's just, when I get transferred, it just is what it is,

go to the next spot, you know? So now what was Allenwood like? It was laid back. You see, in the feds, I was a teacher. I was a substitute. I teach GED and ESL. So when I was in McQuarrie in Kentucky, I worked in psychology.

But then when I went to Colorado, I became a teacher or tutor. So since I already had that in my file, when I got to Allenwood, I continued as a tutor. So in Florence, Colorado and Allen, Pennsylvania, I was a tutor. And Pollock, who I didn't have enough time there to fucking actually do anything, right?

But when I got to Allenwood, they're like, hey, shit, you fucking speak English and Spanish. You want to be a fucking tutor here? Pay you $125 a month. I said, fuck, yeah, sign me up. So, I mean, I was laid back there just tutoring and shit, GED and ESL. Was there a lot of TS over there? Yeah. Even all the way in Pennsylvania?

Yeah. That's a Texas yard right there. TS, M, all Texas Now a lot of these Texas guys Were they just picked up for drug and gun cases Is that what it is? A lot of us, yeah

Okay A lot of us How is the living situation at Allenwood Is it, it's all cells Because it's a pen? Yeah, yeah, yeah There's no dorms in the pens No, it's all two-man sales

All USPs are two-man sales And then you're locked in Through for count time And yeah, I think like at 9 o'clock They lock us in And then at 6 a.m., they'll pop the doors Now, I was talking to someone that was just on the show, they said they don't have playing cards in Texas. Is that true?

Fuck. I don't know. I left TDC in 18. Did you guys have playing cards before? Yeah. I guess maybe it's a new rule they have. I don't know. I heard a lot of shit's changed because I heard now they got tablets.

I wasn't there when the tablets came in, but I heard now they got tablets. So I don't know. They probably took them out now, you know? Do you have tablets in the feds? You can buy them in the feds. Were they there when you were there? Oh, yeah. Of course.

Of course. You can buy it if you want. But it's just fucking games and move. movies and the music. You know what I'm saying? And I, if they were to have FaceTime, I would have bought a tablet. Like at the federal detention centers, we have tablets with FaceTime. Like some shit like that, if I can FaceTime with my people, yeah, I'll get one, right? But just to fucking fuck off my money on games and shit, fuck that, you know? Because I don't know. I prefer to just work out. Work out and prepare myself for the free world, you know, because

I already knew I was coming home. So I had to work after work, I go to the gym, I just work out, dog. In Alleywood, we have real weights, free weights. So, oh, shit. I weighed like 300 pounds, dog, but I was fucking swollen. You know what I'm saying? I became a certified personal trainer in Allenwood. I got my certificate. So do you think the tablets reduce violence or no? Nah, I don't think they reduce violence. What in the feds? Yeah. Nah. I mean, it keeps people occupied. It keeps guys occupied. But I want to say it reduces violence, you know. What if it had FaceTime? Do you think it would reduce violence? If you had FaceTime, fuck yeah, Like, we'd all be FaceTiming with our people, you know?

And it doesn't make sense why they won't have FaceTime on it. I heard like y'all got it like in the fucking lows and shit on the tablets or the, you know, we have computers in the feds. Yeah. I heard some of the lows got the little fucking camera on top where you can FaceTime with your people. I wasn't in there for that. I got out in 2019, but I'm hearing all this. But you know what's even crazier too is the cell phone thing.

Like I'm seeing all these. What's been on my feed lately is girls in prison and the feds. They're just posting everything, like vlogging. I had a guest on the show last week. He was locked up with a guy I was in prison with. He just calls him right in front of me, and the guy answers. He was at a medium somewhere. It's crazy.

Yeah, it is. It's not like what it used to be, I guess. But they should just make the cell phones legal in there. They should, yeah. And then charge and make it a racket. I mean, yeah, they should, but I don't know. It'd be awesome if they did. How was it raising your kids from prison?

Hard. Especially with my baby. The one that's five going to be six, she only knows me by phone, you know, because she was four months old when the feds got me. I've been gone five years. But I would call every day. Of the five years I was down, baby mama stayed with me two and a half years. So when she was with me, those two and a half years, I caught every day.

And when she left me in 2023, she left me because when we had that ride in French, Colorado, obviously I lost good time, you know. You know how you're giving good time. good time, like 54 days a year, right? I lost good time. And you could check all that shit on the computer, the MA locator. It says where your release date changes and shit. So I guess she had it set up to where she gets notifications.

Where she got notifications saying that my release date changed. Like, I lost a lot of good time for that shit, dog. And I went to the shoe, and then she was only one phone call a month, right? And I called her. And she's like, dude, why the fuck did you release date change? I'm like, shit. The shit hit the fan, you know? Shit hit the fan.

And I told her what happened. And she's like, you know what? You're gonna put your fucking gang before us, before your fucking family, before your kids. I'm gonna fuck you. Go with your fucking gang, right? And that was it, dog. How'd that make you feel? I mean, it felt fucked up right then and there.

You know what I'm saying? I felt fucked up. But she knows what the fuck she got with, dog. You know what I'm saying? I don't hide it. I am what I am, you know? She knows me from back in the day, dog, when I was gangbanging this shit on the streets, you know? So to come at me like that,

You know, I did what I had to do. Yeah, I lost good time. Yes, my release date got pushed back, right? But to throw it in my face like that or to leave me for that reason, it was fucked up. So why does something like that not make you go, let me leave the gang? Let me be done with this. For what, though? For what, though?

It is what it is, you know? It is what it is. I did what I had to do. Nobody told me to do what I did that on my own, you know? Do disrespect and I dealt with it. You know? It's not like someone fucking up on top. said, hey, you go. No, fuck that. I jump when I want to jump. You know what I'm saying? And I wanted to jump.

You know, that's, that's me. And, yeah, so after this baby mama left me, I would talk to my daughter every weekend. I wouldn't call it every day. I told my baby mama, you know what I respect that? Do you? You know, I still got like fucking two and a half years left. Maybe more. I don't only see what happens with this, right? So you do you. You do you. Just don't keep me for my daughter, right? So I stop calling every day. I call it just on the weekend. I'll talk to my daughter on the weekends and shit. And I gave baby mama that space, you know? And she ended up finding another man, whatever.

That's cool, whatever. But I still talk to my kids, you know. Both of my baby mamas, they both got dudes and shit. You know, they both let me when I was in prison, you know. But I still talk to my kids. What are your thoughts about a woman staying with a man while he's in prison? I mean, if a woman actually does that, dude, that'd be badass. But where the fuck do you find them at, huh?

Where do you find women like that? Because, I mean, I've been in prison several times and ain't, ain't no. She stayed with me from beginning to end. You know what I'm saying? I mean, she stayed two and a half years. That's a long time. She did. She did.

And I give her credit for that, you know. I told her that. Hey, you got, I didn't think you were going to last two and a half years, you know. I told her that. Do you give them a hall pass or anything? What do you mean? Like, do you let them do whatever, go on dates or anything? Yeah, of course.

Of course. I would tell her, hey, do you, girl? Just be discreet about it, you know? Like, you know, you're my chick, you know? And then, but yeah, she used that, that, that, the right. That's an excuse, right? Because I lost my good time, you know? So I had to stay in prison longer.

So she's like, that I put the gang over her and my family, right, my kids. How can I argue with that? I can't, you know? Because in essence, I mean, she's correct. She's true, you know? What she said was true, you know? I did put my gang first, you know? It sounds like there's a part of you that wanted to have like a normal life.

Like you're teaching classes in prison. You're trying to do the right thing. What is that about you? Fuck, I don't know. Shit, I don't know. That's just me. That's just passing time, I guess. Like, I'm sure there's a lot of gang members in prison that don't do that.

Yeah, a lot of just don't give a fuck, right? Me, I like to be productive. I like to be busy. I like to keep myself busy. You know what I'm saying? That's just me, I guess. I don't know. I can't explain that.

What was your mindset coming out of prison? But I've been gone five years. A lot has changed in five years. I lost everything when the feds got me, you know? And my mindset was just Just being cautious Because now I have federal probation Because you know with the feds

We're sent us to time in prison And now we're sending And we're sent us to probation, you know? So I got out February 6, 2026 We're now July 2026 And they've already locked me up two times on violations Wait, locked you up, sent you to where? We have a federal detention center in the valley

You got out that quick? Huh? What do you mean? Like you got released that. Oh yeah, 30 days for the first violation and 30 days for a second violation. So you've been over four buds that out of that four buds you've been gone to already. Correct, correct. Over what? What violation?

Bullshit, dog. Bullshit violations, dog. I never going to speak on it. Just bullshit violations, dog. All right. But I guess I get thrown out though because you were only in for 30 days? Yeah. 30 days.

Because I had some warrants. I had some warrants and I had to turn myself in for the warrants, right? So I got arrested. So when I got arrested, it showed that I got to. arrested. So the marshals picked me up thinking I picked up new cases. In reality, they're old fucking cases from 2021 when the feds kicked down my door. When the feds kicked down my door, they're saying I had dope in my house, but they never charged me with it because they got me for the gun, right? So I went to federal prison. I just did five years for a gun,

fed into possession of farm. And they never tried me for the five pounds. I have five, they said I had five pounds of droll, right? They're saying I have five pounds of droat. They're saying I had like a nine pack of fucking Coke and then they got me from Mandel, right? I, I'm I'm out on bond for three felonies right now. So, but three felonies from 2021, right, from when the feds first kicked down my door. So when I got, when I, when I, uh, probation, I report to probation, probation, tell me, you got these warrants, you got to turn yourself in. So I turned myself in.

Fine, I'm not going to run, right? I'm not going to do no running. Well, obviously I got arrested. And I guess they popped up in a computer somewhere and the U.S. Marshall saw on that. So, they got me. That's when I did my first violation. But we went in front of the judge and said,

spent to the judge, hey, this is old shit, you know? So I just did 30 days. I got out and I guess I parted a little too hard, right? And I got some dirties, right? So I just did another 30 days for some, whatever, two 30s. Yeah. Now, the state should just tie it in and say you got time served. I mean, they should. I mean, that's fucking. They should have litigated it back then. Correct. When you got the Fed time, they shouldn't have waited all these years. Correct. Correct. That sucks. So I have a lawyer working on it right now, right? I haven't been invited on that. Can you believe that shit?

It's five pounds of droll, fucking some coke, whatever. You would assume that they would dismiss it already because I just finished doing five years in prison, right? What they haven't, they're dragging it out. So, yeah, that's that. How does supervised release under the feds compare to parole in Texas? Okay. Parole in Texas is fucking lenient, dude.

Because remember, I made parole once. When I did those 10 months on the two-year sentence, I'm in parole. In Texas, it's all right. Like, they don't fuck with you. And I like the feds, dude. The feds, you got the color code and shit. Like me, I'm on color code. I got a color every day.

My color comes up, I gotta go piss and shit. We don't got that in parole. It's just, hey, we piss once a month, you know? This is the day you're gonna report. This day you're gonna piss, you know? In the feds, we got the color code. We got the randoms. We got the house checks, you know, shit like that.

I don't like supervised releasing the feds, you know? I feel like they feel like. fuck with this too much. Do you feel like your supervisor, lease officer understands you, is giving you a chance? I mean, I wouldn't say that. I mean, I already told them, like, if they're going to keep fucking with me, just send me back to prison and kill paper. Like, they've already picked me up twice on violations, right?

And I have three years of probation left, or two and a half years left, right? I told my peer, when I just got out last week on this violation, I told my peer, I go, look, man, if you all keep fucking with me, just send me back to prison to kill paper, dog. Like, I'd rather go back, do three to six months and kill paper and come out claim with no probation, you know? They're like, well, we'll see what happens, right? I don't want to do fucking three years fucking with these people just fucking with me. You know what I'm saying? I like to be free, dog.

That's the bad thing about the feds. You go to do your time in prison and then you come out and now you got to do fucking time on probation. That's like fucking double jeopardy. You know, in my opinion, that's like double jeopardy, you know? Now, do you feel like probation is good for people that still have the mindset of committing crime again? What do you mean? Like, say you got out and you want to go back to committing crime, probation, I guess, is there as a tool to try to prevent that from happening. Probation don't prevent nothing, though.

They're just on your ass. And if you fuck up, they're to lock you up. So it really doesn't prevent anything. Because if you want to, if you want to fucking commit crime, you're going to commit crime, you know. What are you trying to do for work now? You know, before I got picked up on this violation, I was working at stripes, right? I had a job working at stripes. What's that?

Stripes like a store, like a circle K, whatever, convenience store. Probation got me. the job there. But when I got locked up, but I lost the job, right? So like I said, I just got out last week. And right now I'm rolling in school for CDL, try to get my CDL, drive 18 wheelers. And that's what I'm working out right now. But I mean, shit, as far as employed, I mean, what am I doing for money right now? It's just, I don't know, just nothing I'm going to speak of, huh? Now, are you still technically with Texas Syndicate? Seriously. I mean, it's for life, dog.

It's for life. Do you see that ever changing? Why, though? Maybe it prevents you from getting work or a job. Nah, nah, that doesn't stop anything, dog. It's a prison thing. You know what I'm saying? It's a prison thing.

Out here in the free world, I'm trying to get a job, trying to do good, right? T.S. it's a prison thing, dog. You know what I'm saying? Like, whatever stays in, whatever happens in prison stays a prison, you know? I'm not out here in the world fucking gang banging and shit like that. It's just a prison thing. You know what I'm saying?

Like, what a prison? It is what it is, you know. But yeah, I'm going to go to school. I'm trying to go to school or trying to work, shit like that. I'm also fucking trying to make music. You know, I'm trying to put my life on a beat, you know. You got your Facebook page going. I got my Facebook page, my TikTok and my Instagram, YouTube, shit like that, right?

I'm trying to make music, really. You know, I want to put my life on a beat, you know. I've lived that life, that life that a lot of these guys talk about. I've lived that life. You know what I'm saying? Be gang bang since I was kid, dog. You know? And that's really what I'm trying to do, make music.

But aside from that, just see what's up with these CDL classes, you know, school and shit. What about the art stuff? Why not be a tattoo artist? I was thinking about that too, right? Picking up the tattoo gun again, right? Yeah. I might do it. I don't know yet.

We'll see what happens. Do you have any hobbies? Like, what do you do for fun? For fun. Just kick it with the chicks, dog. For real. A real kicking with the chicks and shit. This party, really, right?

And I see my kids, my oldest daughter, my oldest any time of the week. Anytime I want to see my oldest. My youngest, I only see it on the weekends. So I see my kids whenever, you know, I can, right? But aside from that, I just, like I said, I just got out, dog. And I got a lot of female friends that love my company, you know? So I just kick it with my friends. Well, you're fun to be around.

Like, you have good energy. I just kick it with my friends, dog. I got a lot of friends, yeah. That's good. What would you tell your teenage self? Do you think you'd be able to give them good advice? Well, would I tell my teenage self? Yeah, if you could sit across.

I would tell my teenage self, do not fucking go down this fucking gangster path, dog. Knowing what I know now, dude, I would have fucking, because I wanted to be a scientist when I was a kid. I like rockets and shit, you know? I would have told myself, dude, just fucking go down the right path, dog, because you have no idea what this game. gangster path is going to fucking do to you, man. You know what I'm saying? Knowing what I know now, I would have just fucking been a good boy dog for real.

How many years have you spent in prison total? As an adult, five in the feds, 12 in the state. Was that 17 years? 17 years. 17 years as an adult from 17 to now, I'm 42. So 17 as an adult. And then from 13 to 17, as a juvenile, 13, 40, 50, Of those four years, I'd want to say like three years as a juvenile and like placements

for juvenile delinquents, yeah. So what's that 17? Like 20 years. Yeah. I'm 42 years old. So about half of my life in prison. Do you ever, you know, stay up at night thinking about how you wish you'd done things differently at all?

Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. All the time, dude. All the time. You know what I'm saying? Like, but at the same time, I'm glad I'm still alive, you know? I should have been dead a long time ago. I've been in fucking gunfights, dog.

I've been in gun fights. I've been in knife fights. I've been in riots. I've been in rumbles. Dude, I've even had shoot out with fucking, just I've been through a lot of shit, dog. And I'm just glad I'm still alive. You know what I'm saying?

And if I could go back and do it all over again, would I change shit? Of course I would, dude. No, what I know now, dude, shit. I wish it too many years of my life in prison, you know? And in prison, it's not given, you're going to get out, you know? It's not guaranteed you're going to fucking get released from prison, especially the feds.

The feds is fucking violent, dude. I don't know how it is in the mediums and the lowest, because I've never been in no medium, no low, right? I've been in nothing but USPs, nothing but penitentiaries, dog. And the USPs, dog, from one minute to the next, motherfuckers are getting killed, you know what I'm saying? So I'm just glad I'm still alive. And knowing what I know now, I mean, I probably would have lived a different life, you know?

if I could go back I would live a different life dog but you're still so young like you still have time to reverse it and do so 42 yeah I mean look at look at the founders of like KFC and and all these they start businesses late or did they yeah they they were late in life you know yeah I think KFC was he was like in the 60s or 70s 40s yeah wow you got a lot of potential thank you thank you thank you you just you got to have that you got to surround yourself with the right people yeah I'm trying and the girls tell me I don't even look like I'm 42. The girls tell me I don't look 42, right? Yeah, you know, I mean, 30s, 40s are all kind of like similar, you know.

Yeah, so I mean, now that's badass, right? Thank you. But yeah, I'm trying to do good, dog, you know? Like I said, I just got out and just trying to do good, man. Well, I hope you continue down that right path. Thank you. And I appreciate you coming on the show today, man. Thank you for having me. Yeah. Thank you for shutting light on the system and, you know, keep your head up and do good. Anytime, anytime you want to have me.

Awesome. Thank you, man. Thank you.