Locked In with Ian Bick - I'm Kenneth "Supreme" McGriff's Son — Here's What Growing Up With That Name Was Really Like | Supreme McGriff Jr.

Episode Date: August 26, 2026

Supreme McGriff Jr. grew up in Queens not fully understanding who his father was until the stories, the attention, and the weight of the name Kenneth Supreme McGriff started shaping everything around him — while his mother worked to keep him away from the path that had defined his father's legacy and the federal prison sentence that followed it. In this episode of Locked In with Ian Bick, he shares what finding out his father is Kenneth Supreme McGriff actually produced in him, what his upbringing in Queens really looked like with that name attached to everything, what his own trouble with scamming and his time on Rikers Island actually involved, what deciding to create an Instagram account with his father's name attached to his own actually set in motion — the celebrities who reached out, the stories with Mike Tyson, the 50 Cent beef, and the complete truth about what carrying one of the most recognized and most feared names in New York street history actually costs the son who never chose it. _____________________________________________  #TrueCrime #RikersIsland #supreme #50Cent #prisonstories _____________________________________________  Thank you to HUNGRYROOT & AG1 for sponsoring this episode: Hungryroot: Explore my Hungryroot Digital Cookbook "The Commissary Upgrade" at https://hungryroot.com/LOCKEDIN _____________________________________________ AG1: For a limited time, save 20% on your first subscription order of AG1 Next Gen or AG1 Pro at https://drinkag1.com/lockedin _____________________________________________ Connect with Supreme McGriff Jr: https://www.instagram.com/supreme_mcgriff/?hl=en _____________________________________________ Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ _____________________________________________ Timestamps: 00:00 Growing Up In Queens 01:02 Discovering My Father's Identity 03:13 My Dad's Life And Their Split 05:17 Life Before Knowing The Truth 07:31 Learning About My Dad From The Streets 09:39 The 50 Cent Connection 10:02 Law Enforcement's Perspective 11:21 Meeting My Dad For The First Time 13:41 First Phone Call With Supreme 14:28 Advice And Avoiding The Streets 16:17 Inevitable Pull Of The Streets 17:37 Uncle Comes Home From Prison 18:08 Street Culture Today 19:40 Dad's Fear For My Safety 22:16 Bill Courtney And The Movie 24:29 Sponsor: Hungry Root 27:11 Finding Myself In My Late Teens 29:25 Introduction To Scamming 30:38 Mom Discovers The Truth 32:36 Dad Finds Out I'm Scamming 35:26 Turning Myself In 36:44 Incarceration And Identity 38:23 Why Scamming Over Drugs 39:17 My Rikers Experience 43:28 Keeping My Identity Private In Jail 48:48 Life After Rikers 51:33 Finding My Path 53:17 Going Viral With 50 Cent's Son 55:20 Trolling And Building A Brand 56:04 The Brother Rumor 59:59 First Celebrity Encounters 01:01:31 Interviews And 50 Cent Questions 01:03:06 Biggest Conspiracy Theories 01:04:43 Dad's Take On My Interviews 01:06:47 Supreme Clothing Brand Connection 01:08:13 Mike Tyson Saved My Life 01:13:23 A Movie About My Dad 01:14:48 Thoughts On Meech 01:19:39 Challenging Lil Meech To A Fight 01:25:09 My Current Businesses 01:27:16 Relationship With My Dad Now 01:30:08 Hope For My Dad's Release 01:32:24 My Dad's Legacy 01:33:09 Changing My Last Name 01:33:34 Meeting My Half Sister 01:34:11 My Mom's Thoughts On My Fame 01:35:27 The Hit On My Mom 01:37:28 What If I Never Knew _____________________________________________ To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://advertising.libsyn.com/LockedInWithIanBicka

One of my fondest memories is before I knew, like, everything, he asked me who my favorite rap was on the phone in our first conversation. I told him it was 50. My guest today is Supreme McGriff Jr. His father is Kenneth Supreme McGriff, a name known throughout New York Street and hip-hop history. Today, he's sharing what that life actually looked like from the perspective of the son who never chose it. Where do you grow up? Queens and New York. Yeah, Jamaica, Queens, man, my whole entire life.

But funny enough, I've never. been to school in Queens. My entire life, I've always been to school in the city in Manhattan. So it's kind of like, I'm really, that's like my second home. I say Manhattan and like, it's like in Harlem, because I went to high school in Harlem. So Manhattan and Harlem, even though Harlem's in Manhattan, people think Harlem's like their own world. So it's like, that's like my second home.

Now, everyone thinks they know about your upbringing, but they've never really exactly heard it, you know, from your mouth directly. So what was it like from your perspective? It was every, I think it was like every emotion. It was cool. It was fun. It was sad. I went through a lot of deaths.

Like when I was younger, like from my grandfather to other family members that was close to me. Yeah, it was single parent. Obviously, my dad was in jail. I didn't find out about him until I was about like 12 years old. Like I used to go to this barbershop. I tell this story all the time. I used to go to a barbershop not too far. for where my house was at.

And I never grew up in a project or an apartment, but I always been in a house just for people that don't know. But it was this barbershop, like three blocks away from where my house that I lived in. And I always would go in a barbershop, you know, it's right around the corner. And, like, you know, guys used to come in there all the time, like the OGs. And they used to, like, give me money and, like, pay for my haircuts. They used to talk to me. They used to take me shop and they used to do all this stuff for me.

And I'm like, yo, am I special or something? Like, why all these people, you know, giving me? And at the time I was a kid, so if an OG give you $100, $200, you think that's the world. You think you own the world if they're doing that. So one day I had asked my mother like, you know, why everybody keeps saying I'm Prem's son? Like what is going on? Who's this Prem guy? Like people just random, just giving me money and talking to me, driving me around and stuff.

I'm in all different type of BMWs and Benz's. So then my mother had to sit me down. She called my aunt. She called my aunt and was like, yo, I got to bring him over to the house. I think it's time that we have this talk. So we drove to my aunt house And it was my mom It was my aunt

And then they told me everything Or up until that point I thought it was everything But they told me what I needed to know Right then and there And I'm like wow My dad's a superhero Okay get it

My dad's a legend He's an icon He's a street this He's that he's like I'm like wow This is fun This is cool It's exciting

And I think maybe like A couple months after that Is when his trial started So it was like All of that It went from me not knowing anything to me having just being like overwhelmed with the whole situation from me meeting him, he talking to him, then his trial, then everything, it was like a whirlwind.

What year were you born? 96. 96. So wasn't he, he was free at that point, no? Yeah, but a lot of violations. He came home, he would go back, came home, go back. So I never met him because I guess he always said like he never wanted anybody to know because if somebody wanted to get, like he's really like militant, really, like, really,

like structured, strategic. He thinks like how to mob people do sometimes, even though the mob people be around their family. But him and my mother wasn't together. Again, they were together in the 80s, but towards like the late 90s, they were doing their own thing. So he never really wanted people to know he had kids. So like I never met him.

But I spoke to him frequently around the time of his trial, like around 07 when his trial started, is when I was talking to him a lot when we first like got our relationship. Do you know why they split him and your mother? Nah. It's funny. I had a conversation with my dad recently.

We was talking about something. It might have been me and my relationship. And then he made like a reference like how when he was younger, he never got into his parents' business. So he basically what he was telling me is like, don't worry about what me and your mother had going on. Like, that's your mother. You deal with her, how you deal with her, and you deal with her. And then me and her will deal with each other how we deal with. with each other, but that's none of your business and none of your concern. That's basically

what he was telling me. And at first, I had an emotional thought process and reaction to that. And then I'm like, you know what? He's right. Like, what they got going on, no got nothing to do with me. I can still love him and still love my mom separately. So, yeah. So he always throws me gems, like, even when he's cursing me out or he's, like, scolding me through a phone or through a letter or whatever, he's always giving me jims. So I never really take it like, damn he's he's being too hard on me ever since I was younger since I met him he's always been giving me jims and I

that it'll come to me like later on like wow that's what he meant oh this is what that was oh like you know like it'll come hit me later but he's like a philosopher so in your younger years before you found out where did you think your dad was or was it normal to not have a dad

in the picture when you're younger like you don't really miss what you don't have you know like you just know mom is getting the job done and like it's not like it's an anomaly like every like 65% of kids don't have their dads around so it's like it's kind of like it sucks to say but it's kind of the norm like you know and then when you have a village like my cousins my aunts my grandmother my uncle like everybody was playing their role in their part so it's like you can't really miss what you never had you know did he take care of her financially when no no my mother's even when they first met in the 80s

that hit the height of his like street career, whatever like that. My mother always worked. So she always held it down. Like the house she got is on her own. My mother actually has two houses. The houses are in her name, all legitimate. Three cars.

She's been working since before I was born. Like, my mother is, she's 30. What kind of work does she do? She's, like, I think she does Medicaid. She's like the supervisor for, like, the Medicaid people, Medicaid building. Yeah. Like insurance. for people that have Medicaid.

How did she even ever end up with a guy like your father? Well, her brother, my uncle Bing, was working with my pops. So, you know, like, they in the crib, my pops would come over, he'll see it. Like, you know, like, one of them stories, like, if your homeboy came to your crib and you got a little sister and she had the crib, like, you know, sometimes dudes do that. Sometimes it be off limits, but then sometimes they'll want them getting married, your friend. And it's, like, you know, that happens like that. So he met my mom because of my uncle, my uncle Bing.

When was your mom's plan to tell you? Because she must have known you would have found out eventually, right? That's a great question. I never even asked her. Like, if the people at the barbershop would have never been telling me, what she have ever told me, I don't know. Maybe when I got, like, maybe teenage years, maybe, like late teens, I don't know. I don't ever think she knew when she wanted to tell me or when she didn't want to tell me.

You know, women are kind of, like, different with that kind of stuff. Like, you know, they try to, like, shelter their kid and, like, hide stuff that they think have a negative impact on their kid. They try to hide it sometimes, you know. So when you're 12 years old and you find out it's the early 2000s, where do you turn to for information since, you know, there's not like YouTube or even podcasts? The people, the people in neighborhood, family members, yeah, pretty much. And they would just tell you stories.

Little bits and pieces here and there. But remember, I was getting a lot of the stuff from the people at the barbershop, too. they would tell me, yo, your pops was the illness, yo, your pop did this for me. Yo, your pops used to do this. Yo, your pops, like, yo, Jay-Z and your pop, like, I got the stories from all. Barbershop is like, you're going to find every piece of information that you, everything in your life at a barbershop, from sports to the streets, to politics, to money, to entrepreneurship, to sadness, to everything, every topic you could talk about, you're going

to find it in a barbershop. So I was getting all the information from them. What was your favorite story you heard of? of him as a kid. Hmm. Hmm. It's a lot. I think the Jay-Z stories were my favorite stories.

Like, you know, Jay-Z being who he is to the world, like, and then them telling me, like, my father used to be sitting in the offices with him and just chopping it up and, like, driving in Jay-Z's Lexis with him and, like, him telling Jay-Z that ain't no, like, the one I got that song, that was my dad's favorite song from him. So he was telling him, like, yo, this need to be your single. And Jay-Z was going to go with another single, but when my pops told him he went with that as the single. Like, stuff like that, just hearing and then like the basketball tournaments, how they used to throw the basketball tournaments and people used to like the clothes stories, like how they was like so instrumental in like the fashion from the 80s. Like it's just so many, man.

There's so many stories that I love. I really love all of them. And I never really heard a bad story about them. Believe it or not, like, I probably heard about 500 stories from different people and I've never heard. a bad story about him. Nobody's ever spoke an ill word about him to me, ever. So it's like I don't even know any really any bad stories, you know, like there's no chinks in his armor for real.

What about when it comes to the 50 cents stuff? Okay, so when it comes to that stuff, the only time you'll hear a negative thing is from him, from 50. I don't really hear any bad stories about, like, the guys that I would get my information from about that. It just happened, whatever happened between them, you know? What about from law enforcement's perspective? You see a lot of cops doing interviews.

I seen that guy on your show. Yeah, we had Bill Courtney who arrested your dad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hmm. That's interesting. I guess when you see a clip like that, what do you think of that? Well, I mean, I feel like he was the arresting officer, so he has all of the information. you know but sometimes when you have like what they call those people not informants but like the

people that come and give the cops information I guess they are called informants but what's another term for them cooperating witnesses yeah no like like like the snitch this like the guy that they have on the street well I guess it is a CIA yeah I guess there's an informant so yeah like sometimes informants lie and like if they're trying to arrest somebody and get them to like to cop out or get convicted that they're going to put lies into the story too just so they can get the conviction. So that's what I think happens a lot of the times with the big guy that they can't really get on the stuff that they want to get them for.

They just use lies to get them. It's not the first time we heard of this. There's also multiple sides to every story and the people that weren't present at the time aren't there to talk on that. What they say is your side, my side, and then the truth? Yeah, that's really what it is. So once you find out, how long is it take for you to actually go to the president? and meet him?

I never met him in person. Never? No. You've never to this day? I have like, well, first of all, he's not even allowed to have visitors anyway. Really? Like, he's been in the worst jails in the world, the worst federal, the worst federal penitentiaries in the world.

He's been in all of them, Supermaxes. He was in ADX for 10 years. Like, they don't even let him get visitors, really. So, like. Is that legal? I don't think so. I think the only person that can go visit him is his lawyer. Have you asked a lawyer about this?

Yeah, they can't get visitors. Wow. Yeah, so, like, they're making it hard on him just because of who he is. You know, they try to break you mentally, but you can't really break him mentally. Like, he's, like, the strongest person that I know ever. Like, he was in ADX, and I think he was in solitary confinement, and he had goldstones, like, patching through him. Or, what is it, kidney stones that you pee out? Kidney stones.

He had kidney stones, and, like, they had him in a hole. with his kidney stones and like you would think that would break somebody but he was like hey I'm still me I'm still going you know I'm still here I'm still fighting so yeah he's just he's like a he's like the ultimate warrior man so what about your first phone call with him then okay my first phone call I think the first thing he asked me was how many push-ups I could do yeah like that was one of the first things he asked me and then he asked me about like what books I like to read what's my favorite subject. He asked me who my favorite rapper was. And at the time before, like, we got like really in depth with everything, obviously the biggest rapper at the time I was growing up

was 50. So I told him my favorite rapper was 50. And he just bust out laughing on the phone. Like, that's one of my fondest memories. I told somebody this the other day. Like, one of my fondest memories is before I knew like everything, he asked me who my favorite rap was on the phone in our first conversation. I told him it was 50. And I just thought that was hilarious. But yeah, I was yeah the first conversation it was it was excited man it was exciting like when he when I'm talking to him on the phone just like all of the things that people were telling me in the barbershops and what I was hearing like I'm finally on the phone with him like I'm actually talking to the like this myth this mythical creature on the phone is like wow I felt like an outer body experience

talking to him was he was he what you expected him to be at least on the phone yeah yeah he was Very wise, man. Very wise. And just like he doesn't waste his words, how he talks, and like how straight to the point he is. And like, yeah, man. It was everything that I heard. He was for sure.

Did he reach out to you at all as a kid or try to reach out? Like maybe send letters or ask your mom to talk to you? Yeah, my mom told me he used to like ask him on me and stuff like that. Yeah. My mom told me he reached out. Yeah. Now, when you're 12 years old and you're, you get on the phone with Supreme, who's your father, is he giving you advice to not choose,

you know, the life he chose? Yes, absolutely. That, I mean, but he knew I was a good kid, though. Like, I played baseball. I was in a private school. Like, I never, like, aspired to do anything. Like, I feel like the streets is kind of tricky and funny, right? So, like, if you're in an environment of that or if you see that day-to-day, the likelihood

and probability of you doing that is higher. But me, like I said, my mom, show. to me with everything. So, like, I went to school in Manhattan. I was away from Queens, the streets, the, all that. I was away from it. So I never really seen it. So I'm going to school in Manhattan.

I'm playing sports. I'm always with my mom or a family member. So I never even knew, really knew. I was green. I didn't know what none of that stuff was that. So he never even had to really worry about that until I got older. So now 16, 17, 18, you know, that's when they say like a boys, becoming a man, he's finding himself, he's trying to go off on his own.

And then on top of that, I'm hearing all these stories about who my dad was in the street. So now I'm like, you know, I'm kind of like, if this is like the straight and narrow and this is the streets, like each year I'm like a step closer to the, like I'm going closer. Now I'm going to Basie projects when my dad used to, that was his stomping ground. So now like I'm going over there more, you know, I'm around more street activities more. Like the influence. It's, I'm stepping every, every year I'm getting close. I don't want to play baseball no more.

I want to get, like, you know, when you keep somebody like a caged dog, as soon as you let a caged dog out, they're going to run wild. They're going to go berserk because they've been caged their whole life. Not saying that I'm, you know, but, you know, metaphorically, I'm giving you an example. Like, I'm getting closer and closer and closer to the streets. And now I'm in Basely every day. So now my mom is like, damn, like all this time,

all my energy, all my efforts to keep him away from this and it still found him. Do you think that was just in your blood because of who he is or was and who you are. Yeah. Yeah. I do. I never sold drugs and it like that, but I did dabble with some street stuff

and some street activities in my late teens. It's just inevitable, man. Now, in your teenagers, is the Supreme Court pretty much done? Like, everyone's in prison at that point? Yeah, either in prison or, like, came home after doing 20 years or 15 years, and, like, you know,

they're trying to figure it out, just like anybody else that would become home. home after doing a 15 to 20 year bid. Yeah. Did anyone reach out to you from that time period? Yeah. So like around this, okay, so like around when I'm in high school now, it's like when all of them are coming home, they all went to jail in like the early 90s.

So they all, like I said 15, 20 years. Like now they all come at home. So like my uncle, remember the guy I said that my mom's brother that how my dad met my mom. So now he's coming home. His co-defendants is coming home. Like my uncle was at that he had, you know, like when you go to a halfway house, you get to come home on a weekends to a certain.

his address to come home to on the weekends was my house so now like once again i'm a teenager now i'm i told you i'm going closer and closer to the to the street stuff so now my uncle is home he just did 18 years his weekend house is my house on the weekends i obviously i don't have school so now i'm with my uncle because i'm enamored by that lifestyle and all his stories and stuff like that people come at home they come in to give him money we be driving in foreign cars we go and shopping. His friends are taking them shopping. So, like, all of that is just piled on to, like, my mind. And I'm like, damn, this is mad, cool. Like, you know, nobody in my family ever snitch. So they come home, people giving them stuff. They're throwing, you know, like, so yeah,

so I got to see all of that. So I was impressionable. So, yeah. Do you think that culture still exists now of, you know, someone that doesn't snitch does a bunch of time and has come home and is taken care of? No. I think, I think anybody that, well, first of all, if you still doing crime, in 2006, you're a fucking cat curse on here? You're fucking idiot. If you're still selling drugs or in the streets or doing crime in 2006,

I think you're a fucking idiot. But I do think that for the stupid people that are still doing crime, I don't think they'll do their time. Like, if they get like 35 years, if they get sentenced, I think they're going to tell. I think that it's like a rare occasion for somebody to hear

the number that the judge, judge or the DA is offering them like 20 years, 25 years, and they'd be like, damn, I'm just wear that, I'm going to stand up, I'm going to just take it. You're not going to find that in today's time because you dudes is worrying about their girls getting fucked, their wives getting fucked, they worried about, you know, getting killed in jail. They worry about, they're not going to jail now. They're going to go tell somebody and they're going to be home in two years.

Why would they go, why would they go to 30 years or 25 years right now? No more money, no more chicks. Nah, a dude to tell you on you right now Because he think his girl gonna get fucked Instead of going to stand up like a man He didn't think oh my girl, my girl gonna be out of fucking hell no I love her He loves his girl more than he loves his rep

That's what dudes is doing now So hell no, you know People's 89% of people that's doing illegal activities He's gonna tell Absolutely hands down Do you think your dad was ever worried for your safety as a kid Hell yeah Hell yeah

That's why he didn't want nobody to know he had kids because like he knows how to be elusive and how to elude this and how to handle himself. But like, how am I going to be able to move how he moves as a kid? Like, I can be walking home from school one day. I can be, I can be at a fish market and anything. Oh, that's Prem son? Oh, yeah. I remember he, blah, blah, blah.

You know, they had problems with a lot of people back in the days. So the people that they had a problem with their kids might grow up and hate me now because I'm, that's, that's, I have been a situation like that where somebody, knows where I am and they tell me like, yo, I hate you, but I don't hate you. I just hate you because you're his son. And then when I see you, I see him. Like, I've had people d me and like tell me that before. Like, yo, it hurts me because whatever, whatever. And I'm looking at you and all I do is see him. People have told me that, like verbatim. Isn't that crazy? That's what he was trying to avoid the whole time, though. I mean, he also probably couldn't

predict social media and, and the concept of, you know, podcast. And he's probably more relevant now than ever. I believe so. I think that I help, I would like to think that I help keep his name alive because I've been on like the biggest platform such as yourself when you have somebody like you or somebody like Adam 22 or somebody like Norrie from drink champs. I've been on every platform, major platform. And, you know, we're talking about my dad, obviously, because you guys wouldn't want

to fucking interview me if it wasn't for him. So like, I think I helped keep his name alive. And in a good way, some people might say it was a bad way. because I get on here and talk shit a lot. But, you know, it wouldn't be interesting if I ain't talk a little shit, you know. Right. And then it's so interesting that now there's law enforcement interviews, too, where they share their side of it as well.

Everybody wants to get on camera and tell the side of the story, bro. Everybody wants clout. Everybody wants fame. I think law enforcement getting on interviews is ridiculous, though. Like the Bill Courtney do, like, I think that's all of his stories is about my dad. Like, I've seen six different interviews, maybe yours. I think one with Vlad. It was another one.

All of his story, his, his claim to fame, his biggest, like, what they call, like, his biggest fish he'd ever call was my dad. He wrote, I think he wrote a book talking about my, like, everything, every time I see him, he's talking about my dad. Well, he did spend, like, 10 years going after your dad at his defense, but he did a lot of DEA stuff, but it was a very big part. I wonder if he'll be in the movie when they make the movie about my dad. I wonder if that part about would be in it.

I can totally see that. I mean, he was one of the lead investigators. It's kind of like American gangster with Frank Lucas. Remember Russell Crowe played the cop that took him down? But we weren't one Bill Courtney to become a celebrity, though. But, you know, what's interesting, though, is that Bill Courtney, like, you look at him as a former cop, he doesn't have a bad thing to say about your dad in that regard. Like, if you listen to the part in the interview where he's talking about when he arrested him and just that conversation. And, you know, you think cops are bad in the moment when they're arresting you or you hear bad.

bits and sound pieces, and then you sit with them, and they were just doing their job, you know? He won't have anything negative to say about him. He doesn't hate him. I've heard him say some negative things about my cousin, though, about Prince. The Prince Miller. Yeah. Bill Courtney says, I've heard him say some negative things about Prince, though.

Yeah. So just by the fall, I don't like him just off that. Yeah. Like, if I hear you say anything about my family, I'm not going to, you can champion my dad and say my dad was a gentleman and he was who he said he was, and, you know, he was a class acting. You patronizing me. You patronizing us now because, like, you say that.

And then in the next breath, you're saying something about my cousin. And you really don't even know my cousin. So it was like, what's going on? What's the angle? You know? Massage clicks. Was Prince out of prison when you were growing up or no? No, no.

So Prince been in jail since 1990. And he just got out recently? He came home in 2024. And did you just learn about him later on? No, you know, it's so crazy. I always used to speak to Prince on the phone. Like, I've actually, I spoke to Prince more than my dad. Wow.

Because you remember Prince went to jail way before my dad. So, like, he had his privileges. He had, you know, he had phone time. Like, they don't even let my dad call nobody. They don't let them write no letters. They don't let him. Like, it's bad, bro. It's really bad.

But I used to talk to, I can remember me talking to Prince when I was younger. He would call my grandmother phone. And, you know, back in the days when he had answer machines, like, he'd be on an answer machine. Hey, Mitch, blah, blah, my grandmother's name. And then my grandmother's name. And then my grandmother had a nickname for him was. Pee-wee. So she called him, hey, what's up, Peeway? Hey, Kyle, right here. And then I'll get on the phone with him and he'd be like, yo, Cuzz, what up, Cud, you know, I a guy. You're doing your push-ups,

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Like for you to try to tell an 18-year-old that he has to go to college. and know what he wants to do with his life and all of these things. Like, how can the 18-year-old, 19-year-old without a father know what the hell he wants to do with his life? Like, my mom did an amazing job. I'm not taking anything away from her, but a woman cannot raise a man. People that your family members that come home from jail from doing 20 years, 15 years, all they knew was the streets. They can't give you no kind of direct.

They can't tell you what college to go to, what major to major. All they know is the streets. So it's kind of like I was in a situation where, like, You know, I did go to college. I went to three different colleges. I went to Hofstra. I went to BMCC. I went to Queens College.

Like, I was bouncing around from college. I didn't know what I wanted to do. And then I met a friend of mine in BNCC who was a scammer. And I went on a jug with him. We called it a jug, a trap, whatever like that. I went on a ride with him one day. We went inside of a spot. He come out, 10 iPads, six pair of headphones, beats headphones.

That was when Beats was lit. Like, he's like, yo, you want to, you want to, you want to fuck around? So I'm, I'm like, shit, I ain't doing nothing else. I, I ain't never really worked no job at my late team. So I'm like, yeah, like, yeah, why not? I went to a spot. He gave me a joint. I went in there, got right.

And, like, that feeling is like euphoria, bro. Like, when you can go inside of a spot and, like, do your thing. And you got to, like, that's a high people chase. Like, I never did drugs. I never really drink alcohol like that. None of that shit. My high was going in there with a fake credit card, getting right, seeing that receipt print out,

and me getting back out unscathed, that was my high. And my boy that went to BMCC with me that put me on to the game, he introduced me to get high. That was my high going in there and swiping the credit cards. Where would you get the credit cards from? You know, they had the, the, the, the, the shits to make them. So he was making them. He had all of the things to make them.

And it was just like, in 10 minutes, we would have 40 credit cards. And we just go all over and get right. But you have to get the numbers from somewhere, right? You steal those from. I mean, no, it's different sites you can get the numbers from. It's like 50 different sites. Back and back then, I've been out of that life for about 10 years now. So I don't know what current day is.

But when I was doing it, you can just go on a site. You pay them. Actually, this is, we was using, you know how stupid I feel that we was using Bitcoin back then to buy, we would have to load on the Bitcoin machine. And now Bitcoin is like this big, crazy thing. And we was using Bitcoin machines 10 years ago when we was getting our numbers. Yeah, when it first came out, like 2011, 12. That's when we was doing it.

We was using Bitcoin. If I would, like, if we were the new in hindsight that Bitcoin would have been this big crazy thing in late, late 2019, 2020, like since then, we were. would have been using the money we was making and investing that shit. Everybody, every scammer in New York was going to load up at the Bitcoin machine. We didn't even know what the fuck that was. Or we knew that's how we paid for our numbers. That's crazy.

That's fucking, it's like you go into a gold mine every day and you don't even know it. Now, where's your mom and all of this? She doesn't know I'm doing none of this shit. The moment she found out I'm scammer is my first time I got arrested. Actually, now I'm lying. The second time I got arrested, because the first time I got arrested, they ROR me. So she didn't even know what was going on. I went, got arrested for some small petty shit.

All right, then I was going. I think I told her, like, when I got scared at the end of that first case I had, I got scared when they told me I was going to have to do five years probation or go do a year. So they like, which one, we let you pick which one you want to do a year jail. And mind you, I ain't want to tell nobody because I'm like, all, it's majority women in my family. So they like baby me. I'm the baby of the family. I'm the youngest grand kid. I'm the only child.

So it's like, they baby me, they baby me. They baby me. So I'm like, damn, I don't even want to tell me. I got in trouble. Like, in their mind, I was still going to college. They didn't even know I had stopped going to college, bro. For like a year, they didn't even know. So I'm like, damn, do I want to take the five years probation?

Or do I want to do the year? Fuck, I'm not doing no fucking year. Give me the fucking five years probation. Let me get the fuck out of here. So that's what I wound up taking. And then she found out when they sent, I think they sent it like a letter to the house. And she was like, you little shit. You got, you've been scamming for the last fucking 10 months.

You got arrested. Call the case. Then tell me anything. I could have paid for your lawyer. You probably could have beat the case. Now you're on five years probation. You, like, what the fuck is wrong with you? And then that's when me and her relationship kind of got, like, shaky because I've been lying to her about going to college.

She was paying out of pocket for me to go for like a year. I wasn't fucking going. I was lying about that. Then I'm scamming. Then I caught a case. Like, all of that shit came to her at one time. So she was like, I hope you don't think you're about the. keep staying here.

You want to go do that. And then I went and moved in with my grandmother, and I kept scamming. Now, are you telling your dad about any of this during this time period? So he doesn't find out about what I'm doing until I think I used to do shit at Home Depot. And I think one of his friends seen me in Home Depot one day. And he was like, yeah, what the fuck you're doing? And I was doing my shit in there. and he told my father like, yo, your son is out here scamming, bro.

So I spoke to them. This was me and my father was in communication all the time before they took away, like, his phone privileges and all that shit. So he called me one day. He's like, yo, well, I'm hearing this about you. What's what you got going on out there? I said, bro, I don't know what you talk about. I don't know.

Whoever told you, I'm lying. I'm not going to tell my pop shit. Yeah, I'm doing this. Like, nah, I ain't going through that. So I lied, I lied, a lot. lot and then I got into, I got in trouble in South Carolina. I was just, I don't, well, I don't know how the fuck I ended up in South Carolina, scammed but I was in South Carolina and I caught another case out there.

But mind you, remember I took the five years probation in New York. So technically I violated my probation in South Carolina or whatever. So now I caught a case in South Carolina. I call my dad like, yo, I need help, man. You got to send me some money. And I'm asking the motherfucker in jail for money. It's crazy. And, but he got it to me.

He helped me with my case in South Carolina. And I think I wanted to begin probation for that. But when I first got arrested in South Carolina, they didn't want to give me a bond because I was a flight risk. Right. So I think I spent like 64 days in the fucking county jail in South Carolina. I bailed out finally. I got a lawyer. I retained a lawyer.

They let me bail out after two and a half months. As soon as I bail out, they discharged me. They, you know, they give me the process to get the fuck out. As soon as I'm about to walk through the last gate, they rearrested me and they added more charges to the same shit I got court for in South Carolina. So now I went back in there, had to do another month. And then I finally bonded out again. So I had to bond out two times.

I did a total like 100 days in the county. So now I got to go turn myself in in New York right after that because I'm going to violate my probation. So either I'm going to be on a run or I'm going to go turn myself in. I'm like, I'm never going to be the type of person to be on a run looking over my my shoulder, my heart dropped to my ads when I'm driving, the police get behind me. All that's stupid shit. So I went to go turn myself into New York.

Then I had to go to Rikers because I violated my probation. And I had to do four months in Rikers. And then after I got out of there, my probation was done. I'm like, if I would have knew I only had to do four months and my five years would be done, I would have just went and did the four months to begin with. They told me it was a year. But it wound up being four months. I went to Rikers.

I did the four months. And then I came home. And then, yeah. Now, would South Carolina have told New York about your arrest? Yeah, they did. Oh, they did. That's why I had to go turn myself in. I thought you were doing that in good faith.

Oh, no, no, no. Never. I would never go do anything on good. No, they told, yeah, yeah, I had to. But I didn't have to. I could have, like, not went to New York and just moved to a fucking state in the middle of nowhere and just been living. But eventually, you can't run from anything.

Like, whatever life has for you, whatever you're going to get from the university, you can't run from that shit. It's always going to find you. Just like my mom tried to shelter me from being supreme son and not tell people and keep me away from that, that shit found me. Me being in the streets, how I tried to do everything under the sun not to be,

and it found me. Whatever is your story, whatever's going to be a part of your journey, whatever's going to happen to your life is already written, bro. You can't run from it. It's going to find you. So I understood that concept from young at a young age. Like, yo, you can't run from nothing.

Whatever you're scared of, you have to run towards that shit. Because the longer you run, eventually that shit, that's chase you, you ain't going to get tired. But your legs is going to get tired. That shit's still going to catch you. So whether it catches you right now on a fucking Sunday in August or if it catches you on a fucking Tuesday in December, it's going to catch you. So you might as well just get that shit over now. No. Were any inmates familiar with you in South Carolina?

No. Because I'm still young. I haven't started being on the internet. And like, that didn't even start yet. That didn't start until after. But even just going by your last name? No, we don't have the same last name. Yeah, me and him have the same.

Like, just your social handles. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's so crazy because I made that Instagram when I was in high school. Like, right after me hearing all them stories, like, I'm doing Instagram. Like, I just, I don't know what made me put my shit at Supreme McGriff. But I made my shit at Supreme McGriff as a young impressionable, I think 16, 15 years old, I made that shit. And I didn't get lit until, like, after me and Marquise took that picture. and it went viral.

That was like my first time going viral. No, when you first got arrested in New York the very first time, were there any cops still around from your dad's day? Or are they all retired by that point? Did anyone know you or? No, because I don't have the same last name. But no, just through like, I guess history or just anything. Nobody knew me.

I think they might have been all retired. Yeah. Because they were all like in their 40s and a 50s when they was dealing with him. And that was like 99, 2000. 2001, 2002. So by the time, 2013, 2014,

they're all gone. Yeah. They, they retire by now. Now, when you first make the Instagram, does anyone

hit you up celebrity-wise or that wouldn't come on until way later? Yeah, to weigh later. Right away, I'm just a high school

kid with it. I could have been anybody, you know, that just decided to take this name. But the people in the neighborhood knew,

but the celebrities didn't catch on to like way later. Like probably five, six, seven years later. Now, why do you pick

scamming instead of selling drugs. My boy in college. No, but I know that, but in general, like overall mentally for you. Because you could have easily just picked drugs yourself. Yeah. I feel like that was some old people shit. Like, I feel like you selling drugs.

That's some old. Like, I'm a teenager. It's not fun hand-to-hand and shit. And like, not, and I always heard stories about, like, people selling the undercover just like that. I'm like, yo, this ain't, I'm not doing what he did or, you know, like that. Like, I always thought that was for old. people to sell drugs. I never thought that was like a young man sport. Scamming was like more, like, okay, so you see how in the 70s that was their thing,

the drugs, like as when they was young coming up. Like when I'm young coming up, scamming was our shit. Like that's our thing. Like, yeah, of course people was doing it before us, but like that's my generation. The scamming era, that's my generation. So that's why it was like it was more accessible. Now, what were your thoughts going into Rikers Island? Did you know that your dad had spent time there too? No, actually, I knew he was, I don't, I don't, He was probably on Rikers Island when he was younger. Yeah, I think in the 90s. I had a warden on that encountered him.

Really? Yeah, right. It was really interesting interview. He talked for like 10 minutes about his encounter with him and he helped him out in there. I feel like everybody has a pream story, man. He did say that he offered him money like for helping him out, but he didn't think it was like a bribe. It was just a, you know, but he didn't want to risk it. Can you tell me about that story?

Matter of fact, I don't do you should tell him, but maybe off the air. No, I mean, he said he told it on the on the, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, The Supreme Truth? Yeah, there was two things. Well, he told it on the show, but there was two things. So one, he encountered, what was his name, Hurley or Corley? Corley. Okay, yeah, Colley Wall.

So. From 40 projects. You was a part of Supreme? No, no. So they was cool, though. Like, they had, so my father's crew was from, was on Basley and Southden. It's like, it's different areas of South Jamaica Queens. They all separated, but they all on the same strip because it's South Jamaica.

So 40 projects is the beginning of South Jamaica. That's like Jamaica Avenue. I don't know if like the bus terminal, all that shit. So 40 projects is right by there. And then if you go probably 15 blocks down, it's busy projects. So my dad, area, it was busy projects. And Coley and Fat Cat and all those guys was in 40 projects. Yeah, I read Fat Cat's book in prison.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So now Corley comes into a situation at Rikers, and this is an old school warden that retired probably, you know, early 2000s. But he was there for, you know, 70, 80s, 90s. And he saved Corley in an incident where Corley was going to get stabbed over something. But then there was another issue with Supreme where Supreme wanted to go in Gen Pop. And the guards were like, you can't go in Gen Pop just because of who you are. And he came down and he helped out the situation.

Because I think Supreme didn't want to be labeled as like a snitcher and informant for going into protective custody. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the warden explained to him the situation, looks after him, sets him up right and stuff. and then he gets out of jail because he was just doing a stint there or pending charges. And he runs into the warden on the street and he offers him a bag of cash. Wow. But the warden says, I don't think it was a bribe. I just think it was.

Thanks for looking out for me. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the warden didn't want to be in the position where if it was. And looked like it. Yeah. It looked like it or if it ever came back if he was at Rikers again or whatever. Yeah, right.

But he says, like, repeatedly in the interview, I don't think it was that. Like not trying to throw dirt on his name. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That perspective. And that was just the type of person he is. Like, you know, even if you helped him by accident, he would want to return the favor because that's just the type of person he is. He's like, like, all of the stuff you read about him,

and then you hear stories like that where a cop who arrested him talks highly about him or judge talks how or what, like people, even people that hate him talk highly about him. So you, that can just pretty much paint the picture of the type of person that he is and that he was. So I realized I was reaching for an energy drink every single time I got tired. And to be honest, that's not a habit I want to keep anymore. As the summer starts to wind down and the schedules start to fill up again, I'm hitting a hard to reset.

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whose sons or nephews might, you know, a lot of stuff transpired in the 70s and 80s. I don't want to get the brunt. And then, you know, I'm green also now. This is my first. But you know what's so crazy? Knock on wood. Jail is not cool.

I don't want to portray that message. Jail is horrible. It's the worst place you can be in other than fucking six feet under. But me just coming from doing that 100 days in the county in South Carolina, it didn't even bother me when I went to Rikers. Because I had just got, I literally got out of South Carolina, the county. Like probably nine days later, I went right to Rikers for my four months. So it was like, I already knew how to make the food with the setups with the noodles

and putting the squeeze cheese and the pickles and all. I was accustomed to everything. It's like summer camp. When you go to boot camp or summer camp and then you just go to another one in another state, you already know some of the tricks of the trade. So I knew I had to go in there. I had to talk to the guy who dealt with the phone time slot. So I went in there.

I told the guy right away like, yo, they asked you when 200 again. Yo, where are you from? I bet. Come holl at me. You're going to get this phone. You going to get this time slot. It wasn't no time slot shit in South Carolina. But if you had money, you just get on the phone in South Carolina.

But in New York, you had to get a time slot. So I had a time slot. Everybody ain't have a time slot. I don't know why they gave me one. Or, you know, somebody might have knew who I was and just ain't saying anything. Or they just took a liking to me or whatever like that. But as soon as I walked in the dorm, the guy who operated the phones, he can't, yo, come holl at me, man.

We was chopping enough for like eight minutes. Like, you know what? You got a time slot. My time slot was like 605 or some crazy shit like that. 6.05. I had like a little eight minutes. that window and yeah man uh I got got a you got to work when you were in there so I had a job when I was in there like one of the paint crew and then I got cool with like a lot of the people

from my dorm because I was on the paint I was painting with them and then I was I learned how to play dominoes with the Spanish people in the dorm I was after I finished playing dominoes with the Spanish because I know I speak a little Spanish because I went to school in Harlem a lot of my guys I was on the baseball team with spoke Spanish so I understood of some of the stuff they were saying And then after I've finished playing Dominoes with the Spanish people, I'll play some spades with the black guys. And then we, like, that shit, I didn't have a bad experience, but I never want to go back to the right because I never want to go back to jail, period. But it wasn't a bad experience. I probably got into one fight in the four months.

That's because I beat the dudes as in spades. And he didn't want to give me my freaking honey buns. So I'm like, you know, I ain't want them dudes think I was a chump. So, you know, we had a little fight in the bathroom. It was nothing. It was nothing crazy. but one fight and probably I did maybe 10 months altogether between the county and South Carolina and the Rikers. One fight.

Like, it was, I was cool. I'm in there eating my Doritos in my soups. I had my little walkman. They call it, you know, you in the whip driving. That's what they say when you're walking around with the headman with the walkman. I was in a whip. I was driving. Like, it wasn't a bad experience, bro.

I was working out. Like, I'll be in there. They'll stack up all the little plastic chairs. They'll put all of them stack. It would be like 15 chairs. We curl in the stack. Like, it wasn't a bad experience, bro, to be honest. So why do people have such a hard time in there?

Because they don't mind their business or they try to be too tough or they might be in a gang. It's mad different reasons why people would be having a hard time in there. But, you know, when you mind your business and you ain't in a gang and you know, you're a cool guy and you don't let nobody play with you. Like, you know, like, it's different. Why did gangs not interest you? That's a good question. And it's kind of crazy because. because everybody I was around in some capacity was in a gang.

Like when I went to school in the lower east side of Manhattan, there's the Latin Kings over there and just like that. And then, you know, my God brother was Crip. And then all my cousins is blood. Like, I always wanted to be my own person. Like I never really was good with like authority. And like somebody telling me I had to do this. Like whatever everybody was doing, I always wanted to do the opposite.

If they was all going to go turn right on 169, I was going to turn left on 172nd. Like, I never was a follower, bro. Even from a little kid, like, I was always the captain of all my baseball teams. I was all, I'm the only child. I don't know what it is to listen to a big brother. And I think a lot of the people that's in gangs, like, they're looking for that family dynamic. You know, maybe they father or they big brother or their cousin was in it that lives in the same house with them. And then they just, like, you know, your influence starts in your house.

house and then right after leave your house, it starts on your block. So I was with all women. None of the women. They all had jobs. They all worked. They all took care with their responses. I never had the want or the urge. And I can't, I can't have nobody tell me, yo, you got to do that. If you don't do that, we're going to fuck you up. I can't, what? I'll be getting fucked up every day because I'm not just going to go do that because you tell me to do that. So gangs never really interest me, for real. Now, when you're in Rikers, do you know, do you start thinking about the future, you know, that you don't want that life or, you know, just in general where you're at? No.

I don't really think people, when they're young, they think about the future. I think they live in it now, like the present, the present time. When you're like 20 years old, 19, 20, 21, you don't really be thinking about the future like that. You're just living in the moment. You're enjoying the moment. I don't really, I think men don't really start thinking about the future to like 28, 29, 30. Like, that's when it hit him like, oh, should, I got to get it together. It didn't take me that long to start figuring out and getting it together.

Like right after I came out of Rikers, I was like, okay, I got to come up with a plan. I got to do this. I got to do that. Like I got to start putting things in play because, you know, I can't be back in here. I can't go back to scamming because they're going to frown me the next time. I got a scam charge in New York, scam charge in South Carolina. The next time I get caught, they're going to fraud me. I ain't even trying to go to jail for no 10 years, so I'm not doing none of that.

So, and then the guy that introduced him to it that I was in college with, right after I came from Rikers, they picked him. him up and he had to go to the feds for eight years. So I'm like, I'm not doing no eight years, no fed time. Fuck this. I ain't scamming no more. So then I started selling sneakers. I started selling clothes. I started, you know, I started just doing anything I can do that was legitimate.

I would just do it. I would like anything. So I just always had that entrepreneur spirit even from young. Like I was in freaking elementary school. I can remember like the principal calling my mom saying, hey, your son's in here soliciting. He can't do that. My mom would go to Costco's. get the big box of chips and Doritos, all the different flavor chips and the sodas.

And I would take all that shit, act like I was eating it. I would be selling it in this school. This bag, 50 cents. This soda would be a dollar. Like, they call my mom, like, yo, I'm in third grade, fourth grade. Like, your son is in his solicitor. He's selling his fucking snacks. Like, I always had that entrepreneur spirit.

So, like, I always could sell shit. So I just started selling myself and whatever I was around. I still had scammer friends. So if they would go to get clothes, they would give me some of the clothes and I'll sell the clothes for them. Like, I had to make money some way. I always, always was like that, bro. Did you end up going back to college?

No. Mm-mm. What about career-wise? What were you thinking of doing when you got out of Rikers? I didn't, I just wanted to get money. I just wanted to get money, bro. So I'm selling design of clothes. Whatever came across my desk, I would do it legitimately.

I wasn't going back to the streets, scamming that shit. But you'll be surprised when you have a lot of friends or you have a lot of people that's getting money, like the shit that'll just come across your desk and you'll be able to do and you can make anything, you know, anything, bro. Anything. I just, you're hustling. Do you think you were kind of struggling to find yourself? Yeah, for sure.

Because now I have the stigma of scammer, preem son, the pressure of my family, what are you going to do with your life? You getting older. We're not going to, like, all of that was happening at the same time. So I'm like, damn, I don't know what the fuck I'm going to do. I don't know what I'm doing. Then I go viral. I take a picture with somebody's son and I go viral.

Now everybody wants to interview me. Now I'm a personality. Now I'm a person of interest. Now the whole world. Oh, Prame has a son. Oh, my God. He took a picture with 50 son. Oh, my God.

People want to interview me. Now my Instagram go back to, now we can go back to the Supreme Court of Instagram. Now people in my DM telling me they're going to pay me for an interview. So now I'm kind of early than everybody else with the social media shit and this podcast. stuff and all that because I was doing it 10 years ago. You get what I'm saying? Like right when they had took off, I'm one of the people first, one of the first people doing big interviews. People pay it coming to my DM, yo, I'll pay you a thousand dollars to come through this interview. I'm like, were? Bet. So now I don't got to try to do nothing else because now I'm getting

paid to do interviews. Then I come up with the idea to do a clothing line. Then like now, like my mind is turning. Now I got a platform to do everything I always wanted to do. I always like fashion. Remember, I told you my people scamming. They get clothes. I'm always into fashion. I'm going to make my own fashion line now. So now I'm doing that. Now I'm doing interviews. Now I'm in the industry. Now I'm meeting rappers. Now I'm doing this. Now, one of my boys from the hood want to get a feature from this guy, I'll put it together. They pay me. Now I'm middleman and deals. Now I'm doing it. Like, I'm just, you feel me? I'm on a move. I'm doing everything. It's lit. Now, how old are you when you take that picture with 50's son?

21. And does he... Does he know who you are at that point? We didn't know who each other was at that point. I tell this story a lot too because obviously that's like a big thing in my life to the internet at least. So yeah, we didn't even know who each other was. We just, we both, we was in the club. It was mad dark.

My man said, yo, take this picture. I'm thinking it's a re-added event. I'm thinking we just flicking it up, you know. We both looking fresh and shit like that. I think Marquise is like maybe two years younger than me or, maybe a year younger than me, whatever it is. I'm older. We took the picture and, yeah, it went viral.

TMZ, Shade Room, news station, people, niggas and my cousins that's in jail calling me, yo, yo, you're in the news, you're 50 something. Yo, it's a big thing because of who 50 cent is. 50 cents is the biggest thing in the world. My father's the biggest thing in the world. They had their little spat, and now the sons are together. Like, it was the biggest thing in the world for like four months,

five months. It was the biggest thing in the world. Does the son reach out to you after that? Never, never. Do you think because he figured who you were and then there's all the stories of the beef? And then 50 cent wrote the comment on the bottom of the picture,

yo, I hope these two dudes get hit by a bus. I have a great night's sleep. So when he made the comment, it just amplified it even more. So now I'm realizing, hmm, I can be a troll and I can make money off being a troll. I can troll this guy and make money.

So now I'm trolling now. Once I found that, what a troll was. I said, I've been trolling my whole life before he's even a word. I always antagonized people. I was always the littlest guy in my class. I always make fun of people, make jokes. Like, trolling, everybody's a troll. It's only certain people who's just really good at it. I'm really, I'm one of the people that's really good at it. So I just started trolling them. And I was gaining more money, getting more interviews, getting paid to do this. At the same time, I got my clothing line. So every interview I do, I'm self-promoting because I got my clothing line on.

I'm making money with the shirts with my hoodies. I'm they paying me for I can't lose. Now, what do you mean by trolling? What would you say? Just anything. Anything. Anything about him. Yo, his movie was trash.

Gyrichita, was trash. Yo, he's like a gorilla. Yo, that's my brother. Anything. But the brother shit, like, I really do believe that. But I was trolling by saying it, though. Saying that 50 cent is your brother? Yeah.

Why would you think that 50 cents your brother? That's what the neighborhood was telling me since I was a little kid. What's the age difference? Him and my father? No, you and 50 cents. That's like 20. Oh, that he's 50 cents son is your actual brother. No, no, no.

That 50 is preem's son. Oh. Yeah. Okay. That's been like the biggest, like, the, the biggest, like, rumor in the hood forever. Does the math add up on that? I mean, my father would have been 16. That's not a hurt of.

A little bit of a stretch, but, yeah, not. That's not a hurt of. Back in that time, it wasn't unheard of. That's actually the norm back then. My grandmother and grandfather, they got. They had their first kid at 16. It's not unheard of. Yeah, but they wouldn't treat the way they treat each other now, right?

Why not? Why not? I mean... Did you ever watch Power? Yeah, I just finished Raising Kane last night. He kills his own son. Where do you think he got that from? Wow, that's a really interesting thing.

When you really sit back and think about all of his moves and how he moves and what he does and his shows and his little like innuendos and like where you think he's getting all of it from? It got to come from somewhere, right? I want you to say, yeah, like, tell me, what do you think? I think there's, I mean, I guess asking you, you saw Raising Canaan. I don't watch none of the shows. Oh, you don't watch any of that. I just seen, like, I'll catch a clip here and now on Instagram or something. But that's Jamaica Queens, you know?

I don't watch none of those shows. No, I'm saying that obviously relates to something. Yeah, what is he getting these ideas from? But yeah, he does kill his own son in the, in the OG power. Didn't he get shot nine times? He, you know. He gets almost burned alive in power to. Yeah.

That's, what if he was your brother? Have you thought about doing like a DNA test? I've been wanting to do that. Just to, just to like get it over with just to find out, why not? What does anybody have to hide? If it is, it is. Let's do the DNA test. I wanted to ask Marquise to do it, but he's a little bitch.

So like, because that's the easiest way we can get it done. I don't think 50 will ever want to do it. So now you said he wrote a comment on that picture saying he hopes both get hit by Me and Marquise get hit by his own son? Yeah. Why? I do sick. That's crazy.

Yeah. So how does it feel then to know that, you know, you said 50 cent was your favorite rapper at the time? And they could be my brother. Well, not even that, just that he's not a fan of you. Yeah. Because of who your father is. I mean, I'm one of those people. I can separate the art from the human, from the person.

Like, a lot of people can't do that. They associate the person with the art form and all that. And they tie all of it together, like, even situations with, like, like R. Kelly or Michael Jackson, like all of the biggest people, like, what their art form is, that has nothing to do how you feel about them with their personal life, from how they feel about politics and their religion and all that. I can like somebody's music and not like them as a person because I know music is only for entertainment. Who they are as a person, that's real life shit. I don't want to be entertained by their real life. But a lot of people, when they

look at celebrities, they always fall into that trap of like caring about the shit that's going on in their real life. I guess that's what comes along with being a celebrity. But me, I'm one of the five percent of the world that thinks how I want to think I'm not influenced by the other 85 percent or the 10 percent. I'm a five percenter. So I was able to like his music. He got great music. Nobody can deny that. Back in the days, not now, I'm talking about. Like, back in the days when he first came out, he was the hottest guy. He's in, he's from New York, he's from Queens, from my neighborhood. That's all they play on a radio station. Like, when I'm driving with my mom in the school, like, you know, we listen in

to the radio. They're going to play him on every station. I like this music. I just thought that it was funny when I found later on like all of this other shit came along with it. Like, wow. I mean, you look at like Kanye West, he sells out shows. Still. His personal issues, people are able to separate that. Yeah. But then they boycott Nikki Minaj when she goes political. Yeah, people pick and choose, man. People pick and choose all the time. That's a part of life. Certain people are certain people going to like certain people, certain people are going to hate certain people. Like, you can't really like care either way. Like, I know. a bunch of people that hate me and I know there's a bunch of people that love me.

I'm not going to ever focus on the motherfuckers that hate me because that doesn't concern me. I'm always focus on the people that fuck with me. So now when that picture goes viral and you start to get some popularity on social media, who's the first celebrity that reaches out to you? Well, you know, like, Jaru and Irvin, all of them is like family anyway. So I always was kind of around them. And Chris Gotti, like the whole Murdering family, I always was around them. So I kind of like had that already in the bag.

But damn, who's the first celebrity on me? That's a great question. I would probably have to scroll on my Instagram and tell you. But it'll come back. It'll come to me. Who was the first celebrity I met? Damn. Yeah, I probably had to go.

There's a long time ago. And I've met so many. I probably got to go back and look. Now, when you first started doing the interviews, what was the number one question, 50. It was all about 50. Still to this day.

And people get mad at me because I'm talking about him. I'm like, bro, when you go on a camera and a microphone, you have to talk about people of interest, right? The top five people that an interviewer can ask somebody about if they've been involved with that person is Jay-Z, 50 Cent, Drake, Kanye, and Diddy. Right? Those are the five people of interest. anybody that's associated with them, attached to them or anything like that, you're going to

get asked about them people. It's like you can't get away from it. So people can't get mad at me because an interviewer want to ask me about 50 cents. I'm going to answer it. I came here for a reason, fully aware of that it might be at 95% chance they're going to bring 50% of in some capacity, whether it has something to do with me and his son, whether that has something to do with my father, whether it has, I'm from Queens, whatever it is, he's going to get brought up.

He's a person in interest, like the five people, the other four people, the other four people I just named, Diddy, Jay-Z, Kanye West, and Drake, you're going to talk about them. This is what entertainment is. I'm going to talk about the people of interest that I'm associated with. But dumb people don't get that. Oh, you do is trove 50. Oh, you're going to get it. Oh, he's always on your mind.

The idiots don't understand it. But we get it. When you're on camera, it's for views. People ask questions that's going to generate views. It's just simple. It's like simple logic. But, I mean, I don't, you know, it is what it is. Did you ever have an interviewer when you first started and,

and got accustomed to doing interview or someone that tried to, like, school you, I guess, on stories. People try to do that shit, but I'm smarter than 90% of the people that I've done interviews with. So, I mean, I'll take it. If it's something I can use for my life, I'll take the schooling or, like, the game. But most of the time I've heard, remember, you got to remember, I had a lot of OGs when I was younger. I never really hung out with people my age. Like, I had a few friends my age, but, like, I'm hanging out day-to-day. all the time with people that was 25 years, 30 years older than me.

So it was like, what the hell you're going to tell me of me and you're the same age? And I've been hanging out with people that's 30 years older than me since I was fucking 13. I already know everything you're about to try to think you're about to tell me already. You get what I'm saying? But I don't say that you already know that. I just shut up and let him talk. What do you think was the biggest conspiracy theory that you heard through doing interviews in regards to your dad in the past? Conspiracy theories?

Hmm. Like, for example, the 50 cent being your brother. That was the biggest one. That was the biggest one. That's really the only one, the biggest one. Yeah. There's nothing bigger than that conspiracy theory. And the truth behind the shooting, too.

About 50? Yeah. Yeah. My dad didn't have anything to do with that, though. But some people think that he did because people put that in their songs or people put that in music. But, like, my dad didn't have, he never got charged with that. That never was convicted of that and nothing. He didn't have anything.

anything to do with that. But by default, if anything bad happened in Queens or, you know, when he was home, he would be a personal interest because he was one of the only gangsters that was still home around that time. So they're going to automatically try to get them and pin him with anything, you know? Now, do you say he didn't have anything to do with it because he told you that or because someone else told you that? No. Like, when you, when you were in a neighborhood, you hear the stories and me being his son, people going to come tell me and put me on. He didn't, he didn't have anything to do with that. I know he didn't have anything. And then if he did have something to do with it, the feds, they got, they, you know, they've been building it.

Like you said, the guy had been building a case in him from 10 years. I'm sure he would have had that in there, too, to give him another life sentence. They already gave him multiple life sentences. If they could have charged him with that too, they would have loved to have added another life sentence. So clearly he didn't have anything to do with that, right? That's true. They were never able to charge him for it. If you're not charged for you, you ain't have nothing to do with it in my book. Now, how did your dad feel about you doing interviews? I'm sure he must go out. He hated it. He hated it.

Because why would you willingly want to put yourself in the light where people can find who you are? People can access you. People like somebody might want to come up to me and take a picture with me. And the same person might want to come up to me and punch me right in my mouth. And I can't determine what they're doing until they're already in front of me. Why would I, like, he's thinking like, I would never want to have somebody come up to me and I don't know their intention. Why would you? But he's only thinking from a street aspect because his mind is just.

so militant, he's thinking, like, you can't be accessible, but I didn't grow up that way. I grew up in the generation of content, the generation of scamming, the general, like, my generation, his generation is night and day. So what I'm doing, he, you know, he, he don't understand it. And then what they were doing, I don't understand it. We, we're two different worlds. So he hates it, but I love it. Who doesn't like attention? Who doesn't like being on camera? Who like, that's like, you know, I love it. I mean, there's got to be a part of him that enjoys having his legacy continue on in a way through the stories. No, but in his mind, the way he thinks

he can tell his own stories and he got his own. His legacy ends with him in his eyes. Like, you're not me. Like, you're my son, but you're not me. Like, that's just how he thinks. He's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he doesn't think, like, how we would think that he would think. Like, that you see that tongue twisted? He doesn't think how we would think that he would think.

He doesn't. Has he ever talked to the press at all or done? Um, um, No. I think maybe one time when they had a TV series called American Gangsta on BET, I think that might have been the only time he like, and then matter of fact, no, I'm lying. They did the Nas, they did the Supreme Team documentary in 2022. So that was when he, that was like one of the first times people heard him talk, him and my cousin. Nas was the narrator, but Nas had to call him from, they had to call Nas from jail to tell them some of the story.

So they did a three-part documentary about the Supreme Team, Nas, Massapil. Now, when you're growing up and you hear about like Supreme Clothing, do you think that that's a heart? Absolutely. Absolutely. I thought they stole that shit from us. I thought they stole the name because where the fuck? They're originated in New York in 1994. My dad was the drug dealer since the 80s.

He had the Supreme Team, newspaper articles, newspaper clippings, everything, Supreme Team, Supreme Team. They got hoodies saying Supreme Team, World Famous Supreme Team. That was our shit. Where the fuck did y'all get that name from? Is it a skateboard shop? Come on, bro. Stop.

So did they... Never. No one ever sued or there was no issues. We can't sue an illegal enterprise. Well, back then when it first started, I guess no one even ever thought of it. It took about my family. Yeah.

But they were running an illegal enterprise in the streets. They can't sue somebody for still. Supreme is not his real name. The freaking, there's a street name. You can't sue somebody for using a street name. Well, I was like, I guess, I don't know, just the what the, the brand, I guess. Can't.

You can't. When I first heard of Supreme Clothing, in the skateboard era and stuff, and middle school and stuff, I always thought it was associated. Everybody did. I seen something on Complex when Mike Tyson did an interview,

and he said the only reason he was wearing Supreme was because of he thought it was the Supreme Team shit. Everybody in the hip-hop coaches have said that before on camera. Oh, we thought this was, you know, but then, I mean, we was already wearing this, so why not? But their hip-hop stake is because of my dad. For sure.

Did you ever have a relationship with Mike Tyson? Yeah, that's like... Mike Tyson saved my life, actually. Like, I owed restitution in South Carolina a fucking enormous amount. I meet Mike Tyson. I'm about to go to jail back again in South Carolina because I didn't pay the restitution. Mike Tyson, like, yo, let me fly you out. I want you to meet my family.

I want you to come here with me. I want you to go there. I'm like, yo, I can't fly because I'm tied to South Carolina. He's like, yo, motherfucker you want to. You know, Mike, Mike don't hold. He don't pull no punches, pun intended. Yo, motherfucker, you want to run? What's going on?

I'm like, yo, I owe restitution. The next fucking day, he wired me the money to pay my restitution, bro. $48,000, bro. Wow. He wired me that shit. I'm like, yo, I want to keep this shit. I ain't want to give all that money to fucking South Carolina. But yeah, I tell people all the time, Mike Tyson saved my life, man, because I ain't know how I was going to get that money.

I was going to have to go back to the streets to try to get the money, you know? And Mike didn't even, I knew Mike probably three days. He sent me $50,000. No, he just did that out of respect for your dad. Of course. Of course, Mike loves my father. He loves my father. He loves my family.

Of course. But I met him at an autograph signing in Jersey. I just always wanted to meet him. So I went there were like three of my guys and we waited for like four hours. They're like, yo, we leave it, motherfucker. We ain't staying here with you. I'm like, I bet I came here for a reason. I'm going to meet Mike.

It wasn't even for getting no money from him. It was just to shake his hand. Like, yo, Mike, wow, Mike Tyson. This is an icon. The three biggest people in the industry is Michael Jackson. Michael Jordan and Mike Tyson. I wanted to meet Mike. I meet him.

He's walking by it. This is a crazy story, bro. So I go there and now I'm mad because I've been sitting there four hours waiting for him. So now he's leaving out after he's done signing all these things. The line is freaking enormous. So he's walking by me with his security. I'm like, yo, Mike!

Because I'm pissed now. But I'm, and I'm stupid for trying to run down on Mike Tyson. He fucking knock me out. I'm like, yo Mike! Yo, Mike! So he looked at me. He said, what the fuck are you? you, motherfucker. I said, I'm Prim's son. He said, yo, come in, man, gave me a hug, dab me up,

kissed me on my forehead, and then he left. So I'm like, damn, I got the meat of my shook his hand, dabbed him up. He kissed me in my forehead. I'm like, fuck it, it is what it is. I met him, whatever. It didn't work out how I wanted to, I thought. And as I'm leaving out, his security comes like, yo, yo, come. Come back here. Mike want to holl at you. So then I go to like this back room that he's in before he's leaving that venue that he was at. So now I'm sitting there talking to him for like four hours. We kicking and he's telling me stories. We laugh and in my mind, I'm like having like an outer body experience.

Like, yo, I'm sitting here for four hours talking to Mike Tyson. So then once again, I dapp him up. We took our flicks. I'm cool with that. Just me and him took a flick with him. I got to chop it up with him. He came, got me again. We chilled.

So I'm good with that now. I think two days later he got in touch with one of my fan members, my godfather actually, and then they call me in a group FaceTime. Mike, like, yo, you're still in New York or you left? I'm like, I left. He's like, yo, I wanted to hang out, bro. Why, you don't, you don't fuck with me, motherfucker? You, like, you know, he curses.

He's always cursed. He's like, yo, you don't fuck with me, motherfucker. You ain't want to hang out with me, motherfucker. I want to hang out with you, yo. And that's when I told him, like, yo, I can't move around. Like, you know, I can't fly here. I can't do that. And then he was like, yo, what's going on?

Tell me, like, you can be honest with me. And then he told me, he's like, yo, you want my help? And I always remember my father telling me, my friends are my friends. Don't ask my friends for shit. Don't ask nobody for no handouts. Don't ask nobody for no help. Figure it out on your own or I'll help you. So when Mike asks me like, yo, do you want my help?

I'm like, damn, my pops ain't going like this if I ask Mike for help. And then I'm saying, but damn, he did offer me. So I'm like, yeah, Mike, I need your help. You wired me 50K two days later, bro. Do you guys still talk now? Mike? Yeah. Hell yeah. He flew me out to the fight we had with Jake Paul in Texas. Oh, I was there too.

Yeah, yeah. That's like, I love Mike, man. And how many people have a Mike Tyson story, bro? That's true. Like, I got to hang out multiple times. Like, I'm chilling with him. Like, I'm calling him. FaceTime and him on FaceTime. He's laughing and shit.

Like, I went to go meet him one time in the city. We had Tau. I'm with him for the whole day. We driving around security. Everybody, people coming up to him. He's like, yo, get these motherfuckers away from me, man. It's too many people. Like, I got a Mike Tyson story, bro, because I'm Prem son.

And you think I'm not going to tell the world I'm Prem son. And I got a Mike, I got a Snoop Dog story. I got to name them. Everybody, all because of my dad. Mike's are really cool, dude. I've got to meet him a few times. He's the best dude in the world, bro. Really nice.

He's the best dude in the world. I love Mike, man. That's my, he saved me. I can tell my kids, my grandkids, the biggest boxer ever. to live, save my life. That's crazy, bro. I'm getting goosebumps talking about that shit, bro. Like, I got cursed out on the phone

about Mike Tyson, he called me a motherfucker. Like, that's good shit. Can't beat that, bro. Priceless moments. Do you think they ever make a movie about your dad? Hell yeah. My cousin is, like, I don't even know if I should be saying this,

but my cousin about the sign of deal right now to do the movie. Who do you think will play your dad? Jamie Fox. Jamie Fox? Yeah. Is he already on it? No, so that's what Irv was going to do.

Irv Gotti was going to do the movie first. But, you know, his untimely death, rest and peace, Irv. Him and his brother was going to do the movie. And Jamie Fox was supposed to play my dad. And Leonardo DiCaprio was also supposed to play, I think, Bill. Courtney, yeah. And who's the guy that did The Joker? Do you remember his name?

That director is a famous director. Todd Phillips. Okay. He was supposed to be directing the movie. I wonder if they'd get 50 cent to do it. You think it would be big if they got him to do the movie? Like if he was actually in it. To be in it?

Yeah, to be in it. Like the little shit that happened between him? Yeah, like an actor or just having present day him at the end, you know. Well, my father's story so much bigger than that, though. Like that's only a small part of my dad's story. No, like his little cameo, you know. I doubt it. I don't think he would do it.

And I don't think that they would want him. You know, so much others they can talk about. I'm sure somewhere, something could happen like a little, if the movie's two hours, I'm sure it would be like a little eight-minute part about him. But I don't think that they will highlight that. It's so much stuff, you know. Now, it's an interesting time we're in now, too,

with all these major players from that era, kind of getting out of prison and you look at. I think, yeah. The Mitch is a great example. What are your thoughts on him? Hmm. You know, in our culture, right, it's like a lot of guys that like have stigmas and like are these like

mythological creatures and like these polarizing figures I think meech is one of those people because he's like my dad was like the first king of that street culture and not well no not no no actually let me take that back it was people like niki barns and then it was people like frank lucid then it was people like frank matthews and it was a whole bunch of people a whole bunch of kings. My dad is one of the kings. And then I think Meach was the last king of that demographic, right? He was humongous in the street culture and in rap.

A lot of people didn't do both. They was only successful in one realm. But Meets did it the biggest out of everybody, I think. And I think he's a legend. But he did some funny shit that I don't like, man. What did? And I've never spoken about this before, but since you asked me about him. So when my cousin Prince came home from jail from doing 34 years, six months, we threw him a party, obviously, from coming home.

He was like notorious to throwing parties back in the days before he went to jail. So he comes home. We announced to the world that we throw in a party, a welcome home, Prince party. Nas came, Jada kiss came, a whole bunch of rappers, Onyx. I could keep naming Peter Guns. Mad people came. It was like 15 celebrities rappers. because I came there.

So, like, we're selling tickets online, and we're selling the physical copies of tickets. To Meach, he buys, like, three sections, or he puts some information down on the website that he's buying three sections in the party. I think the sections in total he was supposed to pay, like $28,000 for the three sections or whatever, like bottles and all that shit.

So on my, Meach is coming to the party. He never shows up. The money that he paid never went through. So I'm like, what was that about? Like, who did that? Was that somebody saying they was meets? But then we looked into it and there was his real email. It was who he was.

And I'm like, what was that about? Like, you put down that you come in $28,000, blah, blah, blah, and you don't show up. Like, I thought that was kind of weird. Like, what was that about, you know? I never got a chance to ask him or talk to him about that or like nobody never meant. I don't even think my cousin knows if that that happened. Like, me, I was the one that planned the party. So me and one of my homies was playing in a party

And we seen that And I wanted my cousin to be surprised When he'd seen him come there Like I probably would have told him But he never showed up basically And he just like I don't know what that was about Did they, were they all friends back in the day?

Nah, nah No Remember they older than Meach My pops and my cousin They're like 10 years older than Meach Or like 12 years older But I remember Meach was in Atlanta in Detroit

My family was in New York So I'm sure like being in the prison system They all heard of each other Meets probably heard of, like, Meets, Meach and his brother, like, they, they really big dogs. Like, they, they was getting that bread, bro, like, like nobody else. So I'm sure as they was coming up, they had to salute my pops and my cousin and my family because my pops and my cousin, my family was doing it first. They was like the blueprint of a team and, like, an organization and all that.

My family was the blueprint. So they kind of, they probably modeled their shit after my family. So I'm sure they've saluted my family. and, you know, spoke highly in my family and watched them from afar, but I don't think it was never no personal encounter because by the time they came to prominence, my cousin was in jail in 19, he went to jail in 1990. Meach and him probably blew up in 94, 95, 96. My father was in out of jail, so they never crossed paths, but, you know, they, I'm sure it's a mutual respect. I met Meach's brother, Terry, before I went to Detroit and, you know, Chris Goddy set that

up for me and I met him and chill with him for like 10 hours. and then drove back. So I fuck with Terry. Terry, cool. I think Meets don't like, I said some shit about his son a couple times. But it wasn't nothing like no personal shit. I just, you know,

I say shit sometimes, bro. I'll just be talking sometimes. My intrusive thoughts and I'll say it out loud, sometimes I'll be wrong. I shouldn't be saying something of the shit I'd be saying, but sometimes I just don't be giving the fuck. I challenge his son to a celebrity boxing match. And, you know, I think that, you know,

him being a street guy, he didn't probably like or appreciate me challenging his son to a boxing match. But I'm doing it for money. I don't got nothing personal against him. I don't know him. I just thought, who else? Like, we're the biggest names of the drug dealer sons. When you think about it, you don't really know in the black community.

Who else do you know besides me and Little Meach? Do you know anybody? Would you want to interview any other black person's son? No, probably not. Me or a little Meach. That's probably where, or maybe Jimmy Hinchman's son. Those are only, we the only three people. So, like, who else I'm a challenge to a fight besides him and Marquise?

That's what the people want to see. They don't want to see me fight Ray J. They don't want to see me fight Orlando Brown. They want to see me fight either Little Meach because of the attachment, the association with 50, and then with the street dad and the legend. They only want to see me fight Marquis a little mech. Why, they try and do, like, a celebrity boxing fight with you? Yeah, I've been training. Really?

Yeah. So is there anything in place or no? They, could they want me to fight Little Meach or Marquise? But is it actually going to happen? They don't want to do it. I'm all for it. What's a payment for something like that? For me, if I was to fight Marquise, it would have been $85,000.

And then if I was to fight Meets, it would have been $65,000. Okay. And they would have gotten the same? Yeah. For 15 minutes, $85,000? Like, why not? I mean, who is that? It wasn't there a rapper that just was in, that did it for one of, not Adam 22's,

Aiden Ross's. Yeah, yeah. Who was a rapper that just? did that? There was a rapper, I think, that did it and got a... Blueface? Was it Blueface? Yeah, I think it was Blueface.

Yeah, that got a hefty payout. I think he got a lot of money. I don't know if it was someone. I know Blueface fought on his car before. I know Charleston White fight on his car. Have you interviewed Charleston? No, so the story with Charleston is... So his team reached out.

This woman said, hey, do you want Charleston away on the show, explained it or whatever? This is like a year and a half ago, two years ago. Didn't know who Charleston White was, but I didn't. I'd never interviewed like a celebrity before either at that point. And then I was like, you know, sure I'd love to. And then they circled back and said, all right, it's going to be, it was like $10,000 plus travel and this and that.

I was like, I was like, we've never paid for a guest before. Then I went down to $5,000 plus this, this and this. And then the dog stuff comes out when he got for, I think it was arrested for beating a dog or something happened like that around that time period. And then it just didn't happen. I was like, I'm not going to pay $5,000. For a dog abuser. Yeah, or just even for the interview in general, you know, a lot of times you pay someone

and they don't really care about being there or whatnot. They just give you whatever. They don't give you no exclusive. They don't give them. They just wanted to come collect the money and go. And that's kind of like Ladsland, you know, or these other hip-hop type shows. Like people are ripping me on the Bill Courtney clip because they were like, why is the interviewer asking or what sources or whatever?

I'm like, I'm not a hip-hop. platform. I care about the individual's story, you know? Like, I didn't have you come here just to talk about Supreme. I wanted to hear about your story individually. Right. So that's where it differs. Like the Bill Courtney episode was two hours, but we probably spent 45 minutes on Supreme and the rest is about him. Him and his story. And he's, the first 30 minutes is about him in narcotics and investigating. Right, right, right. Whereas, like, Vlad's more direct questioning. He'll have whatever he does in his method sit across and he's going to ask you the most salacious. things. Right. So that's just on my style. Do you let people interview you? Um, I've gone on

podcast before. Would you do Vlad? Uh, yeah. I mean, I'm not against it. I mean, my story's just kind of like played out though, you know? Like I've told my story it went, I don't know, I don't think it would even do well. But you know what's so crazy. I did Adam 22. You know what's so crazy about like you say your story's played out. The world is so big, just because two million people seeing you on one platform, it's probably another two million people that have click on your name when you do somebody else's platform that haven't seen you. Oh, I agree. So, like, I've been on countless different, but you might get a crazy story that I've never

spoken about on a, like, I just gave you a couple stories that I've, with the Meets thing or with Tyson. Like, I never really spoke about that with nobody before. But like you said, this is like my 30th interview and you just got something new for me. So I don't ever think that a story can get played out. Yeah, if it's a two-hour interview, 30 minutes might be replay, rewind, that's something shit you, but it might be a good 30 minutes to an hour of some people never heard before. No, no, I agree.

I'm not against it. You know, if it happens, it happens, you know. I'm going to call Vlad for you, man. Are you guys friends? No, Vlad. I don't think Vlad likes me, man. Have you done, Vlad? That's the only person I haven't done.

Him and Joe Rogan. And I'm going to go on Joe Rogan. Probably when we do the movie, we're going to go do Joe Rogan. I got a connection to Joe Rogan, do Shannon Briggs, the boxer. Shannon and Candid bricks? We've DMed with each other. Shannon and I. You want to get them on here?

We've been talking. I just don't know if it fits a show, but if... I mean, of course it does. If there's an angle. If I fit the show... You went to... You did time on Rikers and stuff. Oh, right, right, right, right.

And your dad and, you know, just all of that, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And people on the show have heard so much about your dad. Okay. But I think Shannon has Leroy Ebron, you know, the CEO that went viral at Rikers talking about how a woman's prison cell smells like the big guy, the big guy. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. He connected me with Shannon, said Shannon wants to do the show.

Matt, Matt's been in touch with Shannon. Okay, yeah. That's my, that's my big bro. I'm gonna get you a couple of guests, bro. I like you, a cool dude, man. You and your bro out there, man. Y'all show me hospitality.

So I appreciate that. I'm gonna get some people to come up here. I appreciate you, man. Hell yeah, throw you a couple alleys. What do you do now? Where are you at now? I'm just opening up different businesses at this point. Like, you know, I got a sneaker boutique.

I got a couple of juice bars. I help middleman deals like of a rappers, trying to get a producer or he's trying to get signed, trying to get walking to a label. You know, I have so, I've gathered and garnered so many different celebrity relationships over the years of just me just doing great business and me having a good face card and me being a man of my word and people seeing how I hustle that I have like 75 millionaires in my phone, on my, in my call log or my phone book that if I needed something to get done,

if I need somebody to help me with an investment, if I want to freaking go open of a laundromat, which I did. I opened up a laundry man in Rhode Island. I have the juice bars. I have a freaking coffee shop in North Carolina. Like, I'm all over the place, bro. So, like, yeah, I just, I'm a hustler, bro. I'm an entrepreneur.

I do it all. Me and my best friend and my cousin, we have a car rental business where we'll rent any type of car you need from a Honda to a Pontiac to a Jaguar to a truck. We rent those out in New York and Miami. I helped one of my friends I help one of my friends with a cereal bar people would look at me like what the hell is a cereal bar

you can go inside of the store and get cereal any type of way you want it in a smoothie and a milkshake cereal bar with different any cereal you can think of we have it at the certain like I just do a little bit of everything bro I'm an entrepreneur man and I just want to just keep that

diversifying my portfolio bro open up these cereal bars opening up juice bars coffee shops laundry mats. Like, I'm just, I do this sometimes in my spare time. I'm about to relaunch the clothing line with some Supreme Team jackets. You know, like I did that. That was very successful.

I had everybody in the world wearing it, Fat Joe, Snoop Dog, Jay Prince, dapper Dan. Like, I just do a little bit of everything, man, a little bit of entrepreneurship. I'm in the fashion industry. I know people in the music business. I do everything, bro. How's you in your dad's relationship now? I think now that he sees that it was like kind of a method to my madness.

Like before you see me on an interview and he'd be like, what did you do it for? Like what was the reason? Like you just wanted the clout. You want to clout. You want to clicks. You want to followers. Like there's no money being generated from it. Like not money how he would look at money. Like if I got $3,000 for an interview or $2,500, like that ain't no money to him.

But to me, I'm not selling drugs. I'm not making millions. Like I'm making, if I do seven interviews in two months, That's 30K for me. That might not be no money to you, but I can take that 30. I can spend five to fix my credit. I can get five to go get some cards for the rental business. So that's a long-term goal for me.

So what he was looking at was just the short stuff that was right in front of him, he didn't understand why I was doing it. But now I can say in hindsight, me doing interviews, me being a public figure, me meeting these rappers and celebrities, now it's helping you now because now when you want to get in touch with one of these people and you're looking like, damn, how can I get in touch with them? Your son got their number from being on the internet. From me being an asshole doing the interviews and me meeting people and going to these

different places, now I have access to these people because I'm an asset. So me being an asset is allowing access for him too, because if he needs a connection to help get him home or anything, because that's the ultimate goal. The ultimate goal was for me to make a name for myself, get connections, make money to help him come home. I want to be able to call my dad, like, yo, dad, let's go get some food. Yo, dad, let's go, let's go do this. Let's go to, let's go on vacation.

Let's go. That's always what I always been wanting to do. That's why I never really wanted to go to jail to go visit him because I got to still leave. And then my old man got to stay in there in the cage. Like, I never wanted to have that emotional distress on like, nobody can't tell me how to, like I go back to a little kid, not like my dad didn't come to my baseball games. My dad never, that shit is like, it hurts. to me. So it's like, I'm going there. I'm going to see him for the 45-minute visit. Now I got to leave.

Somebody that I didn't have growing up. Like, you know, with our parents or on our kids as a man, those are like always going to be a touchy thing, emotional. It'll make you cry when you talk about your parents or your kids. So that's my father. I wouldn't be here without him. So I got to go see him in the fucking Supermax where I know they treat them like shit. And then I got to leave him in there. I don't want to do that. I'm not ready to do that. So I want to see him when he coming out those gates and I'm like, yo, I can go pick my pops up in a Rose Royce. I can go take him. You feel me?

That's how I envision our story ending or beginning, me, him coming out of the cell, him coming out of those gates, him being released. And then we can start our relationship on another scale like that. That's what I want. Do you think he has hope of ever coming home? Of course. He's a warrior. A warrior, even when they, even when they on the floor, with a guy and a guy got a sword or a knife or a gun to their face,

they're still going to try to fight and try to figure out how they're going to get out of it. That's him. It doesn't matter if you got him pinned down against a wall. He's going to come home, bro. We're the most too optimistic people you ever mean in your life. He's going to come home, bro. It's no way. Everybody else is coming home.

Like you just said about Tutt, when we were talking earlier, Tuck came home. My cousin Prince came home. Meets came home. Everybody's coming home. Why not him? Why not him? He didn't do anything worse or better than those guys that's coming home.

Everybody, when you serve your debt to society, when you've been in jail, my father been in jail since 2001. It's 2006. He's old. He has, you feel me, family. People love him. Like, let him come home. He didn't, like, you know, he served his death to society already.

Do you think if he was released today, he would be a different person? Absolutely. He was already becoming a different person before, you know, untimely situations and predicaments lead you to get involved in certain shit, but that doesn't mean that you wasn't changing. He was doing movies. He was in the music business. He was running around with Jay Z and Irv.

If he went into jail in 2001, he would have been a mogul by now. He was doing movies before anybody was doing movies. He read books in jail, the Donald Goan's books in jail when he was in jail in the 80s and the 90s, and he turned those books into movies in the 2000s. Before anybody was doing movies, he was doing them. He was innovative. He had hair salons. He had barbershops.

He had a cab stand. He had a satellite company. Like, nobody, he was, he was an entrepreneur just like me. We doing shit that people wouldn't even think about doing. Somebody in my, I'm 29 years old, bro. You think you're going to find a 20-year-old black guy that's going to try to open up a fucking coffee shop? We innovators, bro. We don't move like how everybody else move.

I get that shit from him. You're not going to find no other 29-year-old black guy that trying to open up a fucking coffee shop, bro. I did that, though. buying laundry match and shit, you're not going to find that. You gotta have a business mind to do that. And I get that from my dad. My dad was on some business shit, bro. He just got caught up.

How do you feel about his legacy now? I don't think it's nobody that has a bigger name to him. When you mention Supreme, you're going to see, you're going to hear a gangster. You're going to hear a stand-up man. You're going to hear boss. You're going to hear all the good adjectives to describe him. You're going to hear it when they nobody, like I told you before, like an hour ago when we first thought. I've never heard a bad word spoken about this man.

Every other person that's a celebrity street guy, notorious. I've heard bad shit about all of those guys, rumors, false allegations. Anything you can say, I've heard something about all of those guys, but I've never heard none of that shit about my father. So that tells you everything you need to know. I think his legacy is cemented. Is nobody big in the Supreme? Did you ever think about changing your last name? legally?

Yeah. To McGriff? Yeah. No. Mm-mm. There's no need. Everybody, the whole world knows I'm his son. I look just like him.

People, his friends that was running with him, they say, yo, they even tell me I walk like him. They tell me I hold my hands like him. They say my body, my posture and my, every, my mannerism. They, they, they, is, I don't need to change my name. Do you have any half brothers or sisters? So I met my half sister like three years ago in California. What is she like? a sweetheart.

And I think she looks more like him than I do. Does she own it or now? She keeps it private. She doesn't like telling people. She didn't like, she hated that I posted the video of me meeting her. She's like, why? I don't, I don't want, like, she's, women are different for men. They, they don't really, you know, they don't want that spotlight or the lamlight being

on them because they're somebody's daughter, you know. She's doing her own thing. She's in college. She's younger than me. She's in college. She's living her life. Like, she don't want that. How's your relationship with your mom now?

What does she think of all this? I don't think she likes me being on the internet either. Because it is like, an interview has gone viral so many times. I've gone rival so many times that it's like to a point where people at her job is like, yo, I've seen your son on the interview or I've seen your son with this rapper. I see, she's like, I'm at work and y'all coming up to me talking to me about my son what he's doing on the internet. So I can see how it's annoying for her too.

But, I mean, when your son is a star, your son is just a star. Like, you can't get away from that, you know? I'm about to do a TV show about the drug dealers kids from New York. And, you know, the Supreme Team movie about to come out too. It's about the sign the deal for that. So, like, all this shit is about to get revved back up to the next highest level because if they're doing a movie about my dad, of course, I'm going to be around. Of course, I'm going to be on set.

I might play them. I just got to get a little bit bigger and down my hair back black, but I might play them. Like, I'm a celebrity. So my mom understands that her son is an internet celebrity. I ain't a real, I'm an internet celebrity, but I mean, she likes when I'm, when I face Tommy with celebrity, she likes that part about it. She thinks she'd get a kick out of that. But, yeah.

Now, Bill Courtney was telling a story during the podcast of how he had heard through, I guess, the confidential informant. About my mother, the situation with her. Yeah. That there was a hit put on her while she was pregnant with you. Yeah. What are your thoughts on that? I mean, if you heard that from a CI, I mean, it could be true.

It could be not, I don't think my dad did that, though. I don't think my dad put the hit on her personally. I think shit happens. But this is why he wanted to keep me away from this and not have people know because if they can't get you, they're going to try to get the next closest thing to you. People in the neighborhood knew that that was his girl. So I think that's what that was. I think somebody he probably had beef with.

probably was trying to get a tail on him they couldn't find them. The next best thing is his pregnant girlfriend, right? And I mean, that makes perfect sense too, you know? Exactly. Why would he put a hit on her for what reason? And it's not like he didn't know where she lived there. I'm sure he could have got it done easier if it was him.

Like, he's around her all the time. He could have did anything. If he wanted to, if my father was the person that really did that, I'm sure it would have happened. I wouldn't be here talking to you. My mother wouldn't be here. Like, that's how I know it wasn't him. And why wouldn't he want a son?

in some regard, you know. Exactly. But even beyond that, if he wanted to get something done to her, why was it only one attempt or why didn't it? Like, it was, he lived, he was with her all the time. If he wanted something to happen, I'm sure it could have been planned out better for it to actually happen. That's why I know it wasn't him.

I don't think it was him. I know it wasn't him. My mom doesn't think that it was him because why would it be? I think that it was an enemy that was trying to get to him. He couldn't. And then they tried to, it could have even been a snake of him. his crew that one does you never know it's snakes in your crew it's people that don't like you are envious to you they all smiling in your face to try to like you never know but i definitely

he didn't he definitely had nothing to do with that though do you ever think about what your life would be like now if you never know wow wow nobody's ever asked me that i probably would be like an accountant or something doing finance probably would have stayed in college probably would a Yeah. Probably, yeah, probably be like a lawyer or something. My life, it definitely, it, it, it, it, me being his son definitely impacted and shaped my future and like who I am. Because I was on like a certain path.

I was playing sports. I was in private school. I was doing this and then boom and then like completely like went the other way. Not saying that it's a good thing or a bad thing because like I'm not mad at how my life turned out. Like I said, God has a plan for us. So, like, it was meant for me to find out. It was meant for me to be preem Sunday.

All of this shit was planned already before, you know. But if I wasn't saying, I'd probably be, like, a lawyer or something. I like, I like debating. I like arguing. I like, you know, like, I probably would have been, like, a lawyer or something. Oh, you're smart, so. Appreciate that. Well, I appreciate you coming on the show today, man.

This was a great conversation. It was a great conversation. It was good to meet you. I don't like saying it was an interview. It was just a conversation on camera. Yeah, it was a conversation. Definitely, man. I appreciate you, man.

I love your show, too. by the way, man. Thank you. Stop having guys like Bill Courtney. Now I'm just joking. Now I'm joking. No, I'm just joking. I like the interview of Bill Coyne.

That was a good interview. He's a good dude. You got to give him a chance. Yeah, he arrested my dad. He took my dad away from me. How could I give him a chance? I know, but he was doing his job. Right.

Right. All right, man. I appreciate you. Salute, man.