Locked In with Ian Bick - Inside My Brutal Battle with Addiction | From Rising Rockstar to Recovery King | Dr Robb Kelly

Episode Date: February 4, 2025

Dr. Robb Kelly is a world-renowned addiction expert, often referred to as "The Addiction Doctor." He is the CEO and founder of the Robb Kelly Recovery Group, an addiction recovery coaching company he established based on extensive research and behavioral studies. His personal journey from homelessness to recovery has been a cornerstone of his approach, emphasizing the importance of addressing the root causes of addiction rather than just the symptoms. Through his work, he has helped thousands of individuals overcome addiction and reclaim their lives. #rockstarlife #AddictionRecovery #RiseAndFall #TrueStory #RedemptionJourney #OvercomingAddiction #SecondChances #InsideRecovery Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Thank you to PRIZEPICKS & ORGAIN for sponsoring this episode! PrizePicks: Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/IANBICK & download the app today & use code IANBICK to get $50 instantly after you play your first $5 lineup! Orgain: For 30% off your order, head to https://Orgain.com/IANBICK and use code IANBICK.   Connect with Dr. Robb Kelly: Website: https://robbkelly.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/addiction_doctor/ Presented by Tyson 2.0 & Wooooo Energy: https://tyson20.com/ https://woooooenergy.com/ Buy Merch: https://www.ianbick.com/shop Use code lockedin at checkout to get 20% off your order Timestamps: 00:00:00 Introduction and Welcome to Locked In Podcast 00:04:45 Rob's Journey into Session Work 00:09:50 The Impact of Childhood Trauma on Future Generations 00:14:59 The Origins of Oasis 00:19:02 A Child's Plea: The Heartbreaking Goodbye 00:24:25 Overcoming Alcoholism: A Turning Point in Life 00:28:21 Unexplained Encounter with John 00:33:10 A Surprising Job Opportunity 00:37:44 Transformational Energy and DNA Changes 00:42:20 The Influence of British Accent and Tenacity 00:46:32 Overcoming Alcohol Addiction and Treatment Challenges 00:50:50 Overcoming Criticism and Judgement 00:55:00 Finding Balance and Helping Others 00:59:32 Embracing Personal Growth and Self-Worth 01:04:00 The Lonely Journey of Entrepreneurial Success 01:09:00 How to Support a Loved One Struggling with Addiction 01:12:49 Upcoming Podcast Release and Networking Plans Powered by: Just Media House : https://www.justmediahouse.com/ Creative direction, design, assets, support by FWRD: https://www.fwrd.co Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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even if you've shopped with us before. Dr. Rob Kelly, welcome to Lockton. Thank you to your assistant for reaching out to me to set this up and make this possible. I know you don't like to drive. It's really hard to get me out driving these days and he's hard to get me on a play and all that stuff. Just because I've done it all, seen it all. But I've got to admit to you that I will drive nowhere to see nobody that's over 30 minutes. But when my assistant said, hey, it's Ian Bick, I'm like, I don't care what it is.

We're going. So yeah, like I really, you know, I look up to you. You're just an amazing guy, man. Thank you. Thank you. Do you watch a show? I do. How'd you come across it?

Courtney. Okay. And then I've come across you online somewhere and I'm like, wow, who is this guy? Yeah. Who is this guy with so much experience? Well, it looks like a kid. Who is this crazy guy? And then it's like following you.

And yeah, everything's perfect, man. I love it. Yeah. Frank was sitting here earlier who we were talking about and he had no idea I went to prison. So it was like mid-conversation and we just, we talked about it. He went to prison? No one expects it. And I think that's the angle.

That's what works for me. That's like the selling point to it. It was for me when I first saw you. I'm like, you're like, present guy to me. Yeah. So we're, you live in San Antonio now, but you're not from this area? No, originally from the UK, Manchester, came over to Texas about 18 years ago. Dallas, Texas is where we reside.

I met Janet 10 years ago. And then we came to San Antonio four years ago, kind of to retire and take it easy. So we bought our dream house. We have dream cars. We have dream everything. But the retirement hasn't happened yet. Yeah, you were just saying you've got four different businesses. Oh, four businesses.

That's crazy. I know. I got to try your food. Are there any locations here? No, just San Antonio. Okay. So if you're in San Antonio any time, come and look at the offices. We'll do my podcast maybe, and then we'll take you next door and feed you.

No, I didn't even realize. you had one, I'd love to do yours. Yeah, I'll come out there and I'll drive to you next time and do it. I love that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll have your assistant set it up. Right. So growing up in the UK, what was that like? Did you have your mom and dad your whole life? Mom and dad, you know, we come from, we come on the projects, which call the Council of States back home, which means that you have government income to pay, you know, the rent. That was a gas fitter. He dug holes in the road to lay them big pipes. And my mom cleaned other people's houses. for a living. So not a lot of money around. When the kids at my school went on vacation,

well, they call it a vacation trip. It was two miles down the road at a park that they all camped in a huge park, but I couldn't afford to go. And it's like 10 cents or something, but we couldn't afford to go, you know? So I'd be one of those guys, well, there's only two of us, waving off to the school bus of that left behind and abandoned stuff that are still slightly sober from. Yeah, but born in a rough area, you either fight or you get beating up, you know. So I was into martial arts at an early age. Everybody knew where I was. I was either, I played, I started music about four years old.

It was on stage at nine with my aunt and uncle. I took my first beer at nine. That's what it all started. And then during, you know, my life early age, I worked doors. if it wasn't on the door somewhere, I'd be playing in a band, and that's what we did, you know,

had a full-time job as well. What was your first job? My first job was the door, I think, at like 14, 15. Because I was a big guy, you know. We can't sit under this coat, but, you know, they're there. So, yeah, 14.

I remember the first day I went to the university, it was where they had dormant on because they were bands playing. And I didn't know what to expect. There's these guys, you say, They were just dressed, you know, in like the black thingy and the, okay, no, the only thing we had, because we couldn't buy anything, so we got this big velvet tie, bow tie for my uncle, and I stuck it on, well, my God, when I got there, these guys ripped me.

Oh, my God, here's the bowtie. Where do you get a bowtie from? Oh, my God, is it going to fly away? And nobody else had bowties on. So I always remember that, yeah. Now, did you have dreams or aspirations as a kid, like what you wanted to do career was long-term? I wanted to be a pro musician, you know. So my journey was, you know, 14, 15, 16,

always in bands, going out weekend, playing with guys my own age. We'd get into a van. We'd travel somewhere, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. And we earned good money. But it was a long time. We left the house at like four or five in the afternoon. And we didn't get back home to like 3 o'clock in the morning. And sometimes I had work on Monday morning.

So one day, somebody, said to them and they went, Rob, can you do me a favor? Can you cover my session for me? And I'm like session. What do you mean? At Strawberry Studios, you just go in and give you a piece of music, you play, they pay you. So I found out Strawberry Studios was owned by 10C. And I used to like them. So I goes down, not knowing what to expect. Now remember, we pack all our gear. So we got like a thousand pounds with a gear into a $400 car to travel four hours to get paid $20 each. That's kind of what it was. So I goes into the studio. I sat there, he put the first,

they say, you ready? Click, click in my ear. Played this bass track. Next one, kick in one, played it in one. Third one, played it in one, put it. And I don't know the price, but he gave me like something like $200. And I'm like, have you kind of overpaid me? He said, no, that's how much you get for session.

Well, that was the end of flipping plain bands for me. It was like, I want to do session work. But I have the addicted personality, which basically means I either do something or I don't. And people are amazed with the stuff I've done in the back, but you can't have done all that. I think Janet was one of those. You can't have done all that.

And then she's seeing what I actually do. But I got a job at Abbey Road. Really? So I've seen it in the music magazine. So I don't know, man, 14, 15, 16. I don't know. I'm around that age. I'm a kid.

And there's all these season base players going for this because, you know, and I don't know why I got picked. But there were seven auditions for that job. Wow. But when I got there, you know, I stood outside, I'd be wrote, and they used to be like about 400 yards down the road. It used to be like an old off-licensed news agents. So I'm like so scared.

I'm like, I'm going to have a beer for I'll go in. So I'll go get this beer, drank it down. Okay, went in, did the thingy, went back home because they won't tell you there and there's no phones or anything. So a week later, I get a letter saying, I've passed the first audition. Would you like to come down for a second audition? So I'm back on the train again with my guitar. It gets outside and the thought hit me. Well, if I had one beer for the audition and passed it,

surely if you have two for the second audition, and this went on until I had seven bears outside, don't really remember the session, but I got the job because I slept with that bass guitar. I was the best in the world at that bass guitar. I mean, I played with El John, David Bowie, Queen, all them guys are played with. And when Freddie Mercury calls the manager

and he calls me and says, said Freddie would like your services for the next four hours. I mean, come on. Does it get any better than that? The downside is I was introduced to cocaine there, not from the people I just mentioned, but I got into cocaine, heavily drinking. And I think, I'm not sure, but I think I'm the only musician

that got fired from the music industry, from being wasted every day because I was. I just couldn't, at the end, I couldn't do anything. It was sad and pitiful towards the end. What did your parents think of this lifestyle? Well, because this is totally different than what they're used to. Yeah, well, I bring in money while I'm at school.

I'm a richest kid in our school because I'm getting paid while I was, you know, with my auntie and uncle. But mom loved it. She was so proud. My dad would never validate. Like, I used to be bodybuilding competitions. I used to be these trophies up here.

I come home, like I blasted it, you know, and I come home and, you know, my mom is, wow. My dad's just like, okay. Now that, my life for a long time of not being good enough. I just wanted my dad to say, hey, listen, good job. He never did. So the stuff that I was training, like karate trophies, boxing, not really good at schools, more music, never said great job and proudly. He never said that all his life. And I suffered from that, which we'll probably get into later, but the childhood trauma,

man, that's the key. That's what we work on today. So we cover childhood trauma, the alcoholism, depression, PTSD, and drug addiction, which is different from alcoholism. Why do you think that was that he never gave you that? Probably because, well, knowing what I know now, Ian, is because it's the way they brought up. His dad was left when he was young, so he didn't get that validation or approval. And back in the day, it's like, you know, stiff upper lip kind of thing. It wasn't, like, I got molested by my priest. And I came home and told my mom.

And I got, you know, whack with this, with a wood. and shoe on my ass, set back up, and it won't give me any dinner that night. Because it's, how dare you say that? You can't say it would never happen, but it did happen. So when I started getting help for myself, just the validation of somebody else saying to me, yeah, I agree with you.

I believe you that it happened was mind-blowing for me. Do you think if more parents had discussions with their children about their own, you know, traumatic childhoods and, upbringing, that we could prevent a lot of trauma for the future generation? Probably 70%. Everyone has trauma from the past no matter what. If you're rich, poor, it doesn't make any difference.

There's a part in your life where you still suffer from and have, you know, subconscious thought patterns, but we don't know that. So we'll do certain traits or actions that we might go for a job but never get it. We might start something, but never finish it. That's childhood trauma of not getting validated or approved or scared to succeed, you know. So, yeah, a lot of it is we tell people today, communication. When should I start telling my kids that there's alcoholism in the family at the age six and seven?

They're like, what? Got to get this out, man. We've got to stop it because there's a lot of damage being done out there. Yeah, all of the guests that come on the show, it all starts in the childhood. Yeah, it does. Every individual that's been, you know, gotten into addiction or prison or both, it's because of the childhood. It's rampant. And, you know, it's the way.

The research and the neuroscience that we know today, the trauma is not what you think it is. That's the other big thing. It's not a car crash, not a divorce, not getting beat at our school. It's the little slight things like caregivers, our teachers go, well, Johnny, obviously, is a waste of time. Casually said, or for me, with my mom and dad

being taken to a friend's house of theirs Friday night, so they could go out on the beer. I had to stay over at this friend's house and they would pick me up in the afternoon the next day. So they used to drop me off. And as soon as the car pulled out the driveway, we played what's called the runaround naked game. Well, I thought that was a game.

I didn't know. That it was child. I didn't know. I was child molestation, you know. It's crazy, but we didn't know. And I think if more people discussed it today, which has been my mission ever since I got here 18 years ago, is to bring this out, you know, into the line.

I've been shouting and screaming about this for, for years, man, and nobody took any noise. And then crazy things happened. The medical fraternity attacked me for not knowing what I'm doing, being dangerous. It's like, now I speak to the medical community, doctors and nurses and therapists on the neuroscience behind, you know, treatment for all the psych illnesses that we go through. Attention locked in listeners. Imagine this.

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Yeah, you know, I do. I look at, like my guys were Oasis, there are my guys, you know, and the Smiths may be. They was happy Mondays, maybe hang around with, and there was another band. I can't remember what Ian was as a singer. But yeah, I have to, I talk, while I'm doing all of this, we still have a little three piece or four piece in Irish clubs and pubs because they paid more money.

So we did our weekend stop. And our drummer called Tony, like we did an afternoon and a nighttime gig, which was awesome because you set your stuff up about 10 o'clock. You play at 12, have a few beers, sleep on the floor or something. They opened up at 6 and you played at 7. So no humping gear around. And after the lunch gig, Tony starts packing his stuff away. I'm like, Tony, what's going on here? He said, oh, I'm sorry, Rob.

I've got a gig with this band. I asked you to join us as bass play, but you said you didn't want to do it. Well, we're off to Scotland tonight, and we've got a gig there, so I'm sorry. So I said to him, hey, listen, here's the deal. If you leave me without a drummer,

you'll never play this town again. Do you understand me, Tony? Sorry, Rob, and he's walking to the door with all his gear, and the last minute, and I don't know why I turned around and said, Tony, what's the band called? He said, we're calling ourselves, Oasis. And the rest is history.

You know, Oasis played at the club I would later own. They were one of the first bands in that. No. They played there in the 90s. I have the original, like the flyer for it that I have a picture of. And it was Oasis there at Tuxedo Brumption. I know. And it's crazy. We're sitting here talking about Oasis and that you were a piece of that.

Wow. Yeah, we had some good times. So how old are you when you're done with the music industry? Probably 21-ish, 22-ish, when I got fired. Did you feel like a failure because that you had so much success? Yes. Yeah. Always.

I felt like a failure. And when I left college, which I should never have got through, there was a lot of people paid off because I was earning a lot of money in them days. It's what put me through college. I joined the police force and they fired me after a few months for being drunk. You joined the police force? Because it's a weird story. But before I went to college because nobody goes to college in my family,

Lennon, Oxford. I joined the Freemasons because a friend of, mind's dad needed an organist desperately that they had to put me through a routine to get into the lodge. It's called the outer guard and the inner guard. So I played organ for a huge, they were putting on this huge Freemason do. So during the time there, I met a guy who got me into it's mad. My life's been mad about having people in my life just at a right time to take me to the next level all the time. So become a policeman, kick me out for being drunk on the job every day. I didn't say anything wrong with that. But what I was pissed off about is the inspector

who took my badge off me, he says, you know, you're fired, da-da-da, because you're an alcoholic. So I wasn't upset about being fired. I was upset because I'm fucking called me an alcoholic. I can't believe it. I'm like, I've seen alcoholics, the round of fire at night times, all thing in five-part harmony with the big coat. So that's not me. It was me. You know, I just didn't know at the time. Wow. Right. Imagine if you. you became a cop. I know. Right. I got to kill somebody along the way because my drinking was like, I stabbed my wife three times one night because she wouldn't let me finish my bottle of vodka. You stabbed her? I stabbed her three times. Like with a knife. Oh yeah. She was almost dead.

Yeah. This is your first marriage. It was an attempted murder charge out on me. Wow. And she, and she, and I went to Spain and she went to hospital and she come out. Only when the charges were dropped three months down the line, I came back. Why did they drop them? Oh, in the UK back in the day. if I got injured by you, even if I got stabbed or anything, I said I don't want to press charges, you would leave free. Unless I died,

then it's a murder charge. But anything else, I have to run that. I have to say to the police, I want to get into court, but she pulled out. So what happened to her? Did you guys get divorced after that?

Yeah, so I came home. And she had all the gear packed. She had my two babies, ages one and three. And she left. And I'm like, you can't fucking leave me. you know who I am?

So the next day, or that day, I think, I got with my attorney. We did a lot of work with my company. And I said, I don't care what you do, how you do it, get my kids back. So he went to court next morning. He got some sort of, I don't know what, papers. The next thing I know about 11, 12 o'clock, knocking on my door with my two girls, you know, ages one or three. I paid him a check.

I brought him in. And I'm like, the back of my mind, I've been sober for three days now, knowing that, hopefully they're going to come back. And it was just, I got home from Spain, I was sober. So I took him into the living room and I put him in front of the TV. And then I walked into the kitchen to do something. And the thought hit me, wouldn't it be great if you had one beer to celebrate the kids coming home? Two days later when the police kicked the door down because I had been unconscious and in a stupor for two days.

Babies have not been fed off, changed diapers. The police stormed the house and served me with unfit father, you know, was kicking me to wake me up. Bottles around the floor, my two little girls there, not being changed diapers to vet food. And the police officer picked the youngest one out and give to the police officer who gave it to her mother-in-law. And then the eldest, Charlie, mom coming and got her. So she's holding Mommy's hands walking down the pathway. And she said three things to me. So when he left, she turned around and said, Daddy, Daddy, please don't go. And as we walk down the pathway, I'm there crying. One of the police.

officers were crying. It was just as sad. There was child protection services, child services there. They were her there. The police were there. It was just horrible. And halfway down the path, he says, Daddy, Daddy, please get better. And then we got to the end of the path. They opened this raw iron gate. And she turned around one more time. And she said, Daddy, Daddy, please stop drinking. I can't do it. And my heart was ripped out. I just wanted to die. Like my whole life, I just walked out. Never saw a girl for three years. 30.

Wow. So when they were taken off me, I walked back in. You know, I'm a mess by now, you know. And I took that bottle out again. And we saw a month later. It was my first day on the streets. House had gone. Cars had gone.

Everything had gone. Her wife went to parents. They threw me out after two days. Went to friends. They threw me out. And to our sister. She threw me out. I kept, there's only so many times you can soil a couch before the asked you to leave

or piss on the couch asleep before I should to leave and that's what happened. So my first day, homeless, I was sat on this bench in the middle of Manchester, freezing cold, raining, had this coat on me and I'm like, what the hell just went wrong. But you know what, Ian? I wasn't an alcoholic. I just thought I was going through some bad times. It'll pass. Don't worry, it'll be okay.

Your wife, I'll have you back tomorrow. But sleep here tonight. get a few beers tomorrow, she never did. She changed all the locks. Every time I went near my parents' house or my wife's house to call the police. And I was in and out of police all the time during that time because I was on the streets. I hurt people to survive. You see, I'm from the streets. People say they are. But when you're homeless and you need to fight to stay alive, that's the proof in the pudding right there. In actual fact, after about eight and nine months, I got quite comfortable on those streets. I'm the kind of guy that if you meet me brand new,

you'll never forget me. And the same on the streets and you've got to be nasty but like in prison, I guess, you've got to be nasty, then I quite liked it, to be honest. How much time would you have gotten in prison if she pressed charges?

20 years. 20 years. That's like the third time in your life where a whole different path could have been taken. Oh, music, police officer, and then that, that could have shaped your life too. Yeah. Yeah, you could.

And there's thousands more like that. The stories I have about near-death experiences I used to tell my wife, Janet, he's going, hey, I did this and I almost died there, and I got this cancer thing, and he went, and I was suddenly, we went through it with Janet. They overdosed me on a pain med for, I don't know what it was, but they had the overdidate. I was dead. Must have been an interesting first date. Oh, well, so the first date, there's a place in Dallas called a 24-hour club, and we met.

I don't know if I was on the first night or second, after him I've been the first. So we're driving to this place, and he said, it's a whole. homeless show her. You know, where I ended up, by the way, sleeping on the floor with the other guys. Like, but after my second marriage, I had nowhere to go. So I took her there and she heard the full story, man. And when I'm talking about this, I'm just waiting for her to get up and walk out because that's not a first date. You don't expect it. I'm stabbing my wife and I'm killing this and battering this. And, you know, and she sat there looking at me. Little did I know. Little did I know that her brother took her own, his own life.

he was an alcoholic. So I think the connection there might have started something between us. But yeah, so our first state wasn't conventional. In fact, nothing I've done in this country has been conventional. It's all been against it.

You can't do that, says who. You can't do it. Says who. But that's what makes you successful. Yes. It's unconventionalism that does that. Everything I do is not the norm. People, you know, when you've died

a couple of times on the streets, then everything else, who gives a shit? like a sign an office deal in Dallas and we do, God, how do you sleep at night? What are you going to do to me or anybody else that I haven't already done to myself? This is my second lifetime. I don't give a shit. I want to take chances.

I don't care what you think about me. I'll give a shit. You know, after every big podcast I do it, oh, is this? Look at his bad. I don't give a shit what you think about me, guys. That's gone. I'm 63 years old. I think I'll give a shit about what you think about me.

You're 63? Yeah. You look good for 63. See that, guys. I look good for 63. What do I tell you? I think because you got style. Style and I've lost 150 pounds.

Wait, you were big before? I was 352 pounds. I got to find the old pictures. I've got one on the phone, I'll show you. So how old are you when you're on the streets? I want to say around 22, 23, 24. What did you say that's rock bottom? Yeah.

But when I was on the street, I was surviving on Sunday night, Monday morning, two or three o'clock in the morning. I'm rummaging around where there's factory. and offices, no people inside, no houses. And it was pouring down with rain. I was still hung over. I was thinking about getting my next drink and I dropped down to my hands and knees and I started to cry like a baby.

You know, from the stomach, and the crazy thing is I wasn't crying because I'd lost everything, my wife and my kids. The reason why I was crying right there and then is I realized I can't stop drinking. After seven suicide attempts and two actually died. I looked up to the sky and I know why because I'm my priest and I don't believe in God. I looked at the sky that day and I looked up and I said, if there is a god up there, I can't do this on my own anymore. 30 seconds later and this weirdness has followed me since that day.

A guy come around the corner, his name was Derek, a little Bible in his hand. He'd missed his last bus home from the Bible study. He'd been walking an hour. He took a shortcut. He's never done before. And he came upon me. And he said, hey, buddy, do you need help? help and I just started crying and said, I don't, I'm dying.

I don't want to do. So he told me back to his house. Now, get ready to be mind-blown guys. If you're not heard my story before. He told me back to his house. He's like, Rob, you can stay for as long as you want. Blow up mattress. You're great.

God's fed and shouted for the first time in a year. But you've got to come to these AA meetings. Well, I hated their meetings. It's like all old men pissing and moaning and, you know, I'm 20 years sober and I'm pissed off. And I've had a bad day. It's like, oh. But it's a dry bed, so I went with him. So I'm sat there in this meeting thinking, there's a restroom.

So if I can go in the restroom, sneak through the window, go and steal some vodka, get back in the wind. The window was this big. I was never going to get through that window. But I tried. I went back and I sat down all pissed off and people going, my name's a beer, my other. And all of a sudden, this guy said, my name's John and I'm a recovered alcoholic. And he spoke from the book. and he spoke with confidence.

And I'm like, holy shit. So when the meeting was over, I did one of them walks, which is probably 20 yards, which felt like the Sahara Desert, because now I'm asking for help off somebody, you know. And it goes over, I said, hey, John, my name's Rob,

will you sponsor me? And he said, no. And I'm like, no. And just before the whole ground swallowed me up, he said, I'll be your spiritual advisor for 12 weeks. Okay, that's weird. What do we need to do? well, bring a dictionary and a big book.

I don't need to dictionary. I went to Oxford. He looked me straight in the eye. I said, bring a dictionary and a big book. And give me the address. So for 12 weeks on a Wednesday night, I left Derek's at six. I walked to Johns, got in for seven.

I couldn't go before one minutes of seven. I could walk up, knock on the door. This is relevant to the story. And one minute to wait, a few conversations. Okay, time to go. Halfway through a conversation. But what he taught me,

what me took me through was mind-blowing. So on the last day with him, I hugged him, I thanked him, and he said, Rob, your life's going to change from tomorrow. You're going to go on and change the world. I don't know too much, you know, John, I'm in Derek's basement on a blow-up mattress. Nobody knows I'm there. Your life will change. So I goes home, you know, I've felt differently. I walked differently. I got my cockiness back, got my confidence back, you know, and the next day I'm cleaning the house because that was my job now, or Derek's at work. And I, 12 o'clock the door goes, like, Derek, he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So what are you doing home?

So the guy sweeping the floor at the factory is just resigned. Do you want a part-time job sweeping the floor? Like, hell, wow. Oh, so I got back in the car. Later that way, you turned into a full-time job. I was working with people that are getting well. I was positive, even though I was living in Derek's house. I was confident people were getting well around me.

Like, everybody started to look up to me. And two or three weeks later, we got our first pay packet, which he's the back in the day was cash stapled to an envelope. So I went to the gas station, man. I'm all excited. I'm going to get John a teddy bear. It's not like I'm going to afford a little teddy bear like this. And I get in the card.

So I'm all excited. I'm like giddy. Wait till he finds out what I've been doing. So A, too, John, thank you so much. For interest me to God, he took the compulsion away to drink. That's what I wrote. And I walked the same route as I did it for 12 weeks. When I got there, the curtains look a bit dirtier, but that's fine.

It's been a week or two. Knocked on the door, no answer. knocked on again, no answer. Next minute, the woman on the right-hand side apartment comes out. Can I help you? I said, yeah, where's John moved to? Is he still there? John?

He says, yeah, John, your neighbor. Oh, I've only been here for three months. I've not seen anybody there, but I'm new around here. So I like to close the door. That's a crazy person or drunk. So went on to the left and I knocked on the door a little bit harder than I should maybe. Big guy came. What do you want?

I said, where's John moved to? John who? What's wrong with you? Your neighbor? He went on to tell me that that apartment is derelict and there used to be tape on it. And if I did walk over that door, I would fall down to the basement below. It's derelict. It's dangerous.

You cannot go in. And I'm like, what's what with these guys? You know? So I went back to the meeting where I met John. And I went in and the chairman went, Robert. Thank God for that. Somebody, thank you. Do you recognize me?

Of course I do. I do. Come in. I says, does John still come here? He said, John, who? I said, over near the cough mission. We sponsored me. Dadda, da da da.

Rob, we saw you over near the cough machine speaking to yourself. We've never found that man. When I started getting wealthy, I put the best private detective in Manchester on him and they could never trace that man. And there's never been since that. But what he taught me is what I do today.

I heal people 100%. There's no, you know, in my industry, three to five percent with treatment centers is a success rate. I'm at 98. You know? I want to offer. my money back guarantee is what I used to.

So my wife says, you know, as always one that's going to take advantage of it. Yeah. So, yeah, that's how that come around. And, you know, it's been a crazy journey since then. Hey, locked in listeners, let me ask you something. What's tougher? Doing time in a six by eight prison cell or trying to get enough protein in your diet without choking down chalky shakes.

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Yeah, I don't know, because I've never seen him before, but maybe... I think there's some kind of angel that visited me. Sorry, guys, if you think... Oh, God, is a widow. I spent years, I won't tell his story for 15 years. It's the only explanation that everything he told me came through. He told me I'd be taken far away from this land to heal others. And he said to me, I'm not a Bible guy, but he kept saying to me, Isaiah 61.

I don't know what that is. What is it? To heal the sick and bring good news to the families. I said, well, okay, thank you. It doesn't mean anything to me. But years later, when I got the opportunity to come over here to speak for two weeks and stayed, the girl I was living with at the time, she went for an interview at this architect. And I drove her there.

and she's in the interview for about two minutes and she comes out and I'm like, oh shit, that didn't go well. And she comes to the car and said, he wants to see you. So what? He wants to see? What? You can't see me in shorts and I've got fucking eggs down there. I can't go out he wants to see you.

I'm like, what the hell is weird guy? So I went and we sat down. And we'll tell you, we'd be waiting for you. I said, well, I was just in the car. No, no, no. We've been waiting for you. We've been waiting the profit that comes over here and changes the world. And I'm thinking you can't work here soon.

This is a weirdo we're talking to. So anyway, will you come around to the meeting? Will you come and speak? They could join our group. And I'm like, yeah, sure. And they said, turn around to Sue and say, Sue, you have the job start Monday. So I was walking at the door. Last minute, I turned around.

I said, oh, by the way, Hardy, what's the group called? And he said, we're called Isaiah 61. And that has followed me all through. Then coincidence that I thought they were happened all the time. So do you still not believe in? religion or any of that? Oh, I believe in God. Yeah, definitely. I don't go to church. I don't read the Bible. I'm a true believer on my spiritual journey that God doesn't want me on a Sunday at 9 o'clock in a building there to hear me with all my experience, man. God's right here right now. He saved me.

I mean, 3% survive off the streets in Manchester. The other guys die. So I was chosen for some reason. So yeah, definitely on this spiritual journey. And, everything I ask for, I get because what people don't really know about me is we give a lot of money back. We do a lot of things free of charge. We do loads of pro bonos. Every therapist, the coach has to carry a pro bono in my company. Otherwise, you're not working for us. You know, we're all giving back, giving back all the time.

And I think the more I gave back, the more he gave me, you know. And then I met this girl online called Janet's, and we clicked instantly. And then she's in conversation about a year later. And she said, do you know what? I wrote a letter to my pastor, told me to write a letter about the perfect man I want. And she got it out and it was me. Had to be highly educated, had been musician, had to be British. It's crazy.

And that's her. That's her. What was the site you met on? It was called Our Time. I got to sign up for that. Over 50? Yeah. I'm going to pause on that.

But I'm a businessman, see? So when I'm meeting these people, I got all the people. I got all the girls lined up at Starbucks. I've got like a 10 o'clock, 11 o'clock, a 12 o'clock and a 1 o'clock. So I met the first girl. We sat for 20 minutes, come out, hugged by. I went back and sat in the car, watched the second one come, which was Janet, got out of the car, pretend that just arrived, sit down.

And after about 10 minutes, 15 minutes, I excuse myself. I went to the bathroom and I called the other two girls and said, I just met the girl I want to marry. And they both said, oh, my God, Rob, congratulations. I've told me the best. And I went back to the table, so I'm going to marry it. She said, you're crazy. Four or five, six months after we were married. You got style, man.

You got to do it. Right. Wow. Yeah. You know, I really relate to you on the whole spiritual aspect of it because I feel like once, like I've been through so much that all of that fell into place perfectly for what I do now and everything like worked out. Even in the moments where I'm sure you felt that when you were on the streets

that it wasn't working out and you lost everything because I had those ups and down successes, super successful in high school, lost everything, prison, rock bottom after that, career after that, walking away to do this. And you know how it is as an entrepreneur. There's ups and downs. You kind of, you have those days, you know, we all go through that. But it always works out some way, somehow. It does. And I feel like that, when you, when you believe in that spiritual journey, it makes sense. And I know when you get in neuroscience and you combine spirituality I'd say with neuroscience, you realize that what you believe the mind is very powerful. So if you can train the mind to have a great day and stay connected with another energy,

then that would be the key. Can we do that? Of course we can do that. So when the mind is energy, okay, can't see it, touch, it feeling. It sits inside the brain, hence the saying mind over matter. The brains matter. So if we can program the mind every single day. And what we found is when this energy connects with another energy.

and you have a change of neural pathways, your DNA changes. Why is that important? I ain't the same guy that I used to be. I'm a different guy. But the thing I like about me is like, it's like learning to ride a bike. I mean, you don't do it every day, but you're still there if you need it.

So that guy in the streets is still here. And it's popped out a couple of times. You know, when people have taken me to the next level or somebody cut me up. I used to be, you know, with Janet, I get out of the car. You can't get out of the car in Texas. People have guns.

I just get back in the car and go, okay, okay. But yeah, their traits and them personalities are still there. So do you think that type of mindset can be programmed or do you think people are just born with it? Like the mindset, me and you probably both shared, do you think that could be taught to someone? That's what we do. You know, when I came into the industry, 95% was drug and alcoholics.

Now 5% of drug addicts and alcoholics and 95% is training entrepreneurs, getting people at the darkness, starting businesses with people, motivating people. They explained about the neuroscience and the brain and what you can do. Because many years ago, I'd say, you can do anything you want to do, guys, to my patients. They go, well, I can't represent the United States.

So that's bullshit. Let's forget the political views for a second. We had a business and ruined the country with no political experience whatsoever. Don't fucking dare tell me you can't achieve your dream because it's just not true. Somebody's put that there. So after this moment happens, what do you do next? Do you just hit the ground running and you build, you know, a recovery business? Yeah, I did, you know, back home and I come over here for two weeks.

And the moment I landed, I thought this is, I'm not going back home. This is the land of opportunity, sunshine in. And we just started from there, you know, I just got one patient and then another patient and stuff like that. But yeah, we just, everything I do, we think about it for a bit. And then I go, yeah, I can do that. So I've never played basketball. So if you came to me today, Ian, and said, before we did the podcast, let's play basketball, I say no.

Why not? I've never played. Yeah, but just, no, I'll never be any good at it, so I'm not doing it. So I'm an all in, an all-out kind of guy. So how did you come over here and just start that business? Don't you have to have degrees or anything like that? You do have the title doctor. Yeah, I got a PhD in psychology and a PhD in behavioral science.

That must have taken years, right? It did. I was at a college, yeah. But after that is when I became homeless, about 26, 27. I think, no, maybe 24. The mind is not very good back then. So you got those degrees? I've gone through, well, one of those.

I got the PhD in behavioral science about nine years ago. Okay. Online, it was an online course. And the degrees you got back home, they transferred over to here. Yes, my license was transferred over everything. Wow. And why did you even want to do that for college? Because you were so into the music.

Why that? I was into the music, but because I got into college, the freemason that got me into college in Manchester was a friend of a guy that ran the, well, first of all I went to Green's College to come a doctor. They threw me out for being drunk every day. You can see a pat on here, can't you guys? So I had to be put into,

they had to be put into Trinity College, which was psych at the time, I think, and something else they were teaching. So yeah, I came over here, and at first I couldn't work, of course. So then I played in bands. over here. I bought myself a bass guitar and I started gigging with people for cash and stuff. IRS, if you're listening, I'm just joking. There are tips.

Yeah, yeah, definitely tips. And then I, when the license was transferred, I opened my little practice and that's where we started, you know? Why Texas? Because that's, when they often me, I was speaking to this girl online in the early days when they only had chat rooms. Like I am and to messenger? Yeah, that's what he was, you know? So I'm speaking to this girl in this chat room for, I don't know, abused people, alcoholics. And I was talking to this girl called Sue. And then about three or four weeks, she went, hey, my pastor wants you to come over and speak to the youth in Plano outside Dallas because they had a big huge crack cocaine problem with

the youth. You said, well, pay for your tickets, we need to come over. So that's what I did. I came over two weeks just to do this, like, workshop with them. Never went back. How hard was it to build a business as someone coming from another country? It was a lot easier than you think because of the accent. I know that sounds crazy.

It makes you more likable? It does. I mean, you can say the worst thing in a British accent and everyone thinks it's cool. Are you my fucking. Oh, just say that again. It's so cool. Because that's what people said when I first came over because my accent was obviously broader. It's just speak.

Just say something. What do I say? Oh, my God. Did you hear that? It's like, we've never seen an Englishman before. What's wrong with you guys? Wow. So, yeah, that got me into places.

and then again the tenacity of everything I've been through is a reason of coming here helping people and making something of yourself well that's why Gordon Ramsey gets away with swearing on TV too it works for him it does now I they call me the Gordon Ramsey of the addiction world if you Google it online my name will come up guys because I will I'll I don't can you curse on here

yeah so if someone's not right I said to one guy get the fuck out my office so he reports me to the psychology board and there's all sorts of shit going over here you know, it's like, I don't take, I don't, I don't suffer fools, man. And I think that reputation people liked. It's like people, the richer people would come and go, hey, you want to say our son, there's a checkbook. Yeah, no, you've got to have an assessment.

You've got to earn it. Well, we just give you, no. And a few people were like, he's crazy, man, you know. But the more I started to stand and say, no, we're not just taking everyone for money. This is not about the money. This is about getting people well. This is why my success rate is hundreds of times better than me. anybody else is because you can walk in any treatment center right now, a doctor's therapist,

you can give them a check and they'll let you in. I mean, you're going to the doctor. You know, if you're depressed, you go to the doctor. If he's prescribing, I hate medication and I mean, we have to take it, but the pharmaceutical companies, don't get me started on that. So you go in and if he's not asking you about your health, your diet, your exercise, if it's not, all you've got is a high-priced drug dealer. That's all you got. And I started to fight against that. It's like, we're not, we're not doing this guys over here. What's the worst can happen to me? And that's the attitude I have with every. What's the worst can happen? What you're going to do? Take Christmas off me? What's going to happen, guys? Why wouldn't you

try and do it? And when you have the experience and the tenacity and the confidence that I have, it's half the battle with people that go, wow, I can't believe what he says. Because if you haven't been through it, you can't talk to somebody about it. You can't get them well, you know? I went to a therapist with Janet, or it might be before Janet. And I said, hey, I'm an alcoholic, are you an alcoholic? And she said, no, no, no. But I have all these, you know, degrees on the wall. I said, you can't help me. I've had all these degrees on the wall. I said, okay, here's a scenario. You have a bottle of vodka behind your back and you don't want me to have it. I stab you in the face repeatedly and then take the bottle. She's like, whoa, whoa, do I need

to call the police? I said, I've told you can't help me. Then I think somewhere on the line. We found somebody that could. Then when I met Janet, we found this hippie. She's like 70 years old. She was crazy, but that's the only people I relate to. I don't care how many degrees you've got. 90% of my stuff now is from John on the streets. It's not about education. You don't need a degree. They are on a degree years ago. Looking to start 2026 with an unforgettable getaway. Fiji airway sale is on now. Fly non-stop round trip to Fiji from just 748. Or enjoy a sunny Fiji stop over on your way to Australia with round-trip fairs starting from 839. As a one-world alliance member and American Airlines Advantage program partner, your miles go

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repeated customers, repeated clients. You need them to stay alive. So when they lose a client, it's lost, loss of income for them. I kind of get this, the model. And there are loads of people out there that are not real alcoholics and not real addicts. Take them other people in. Great. You're doing a great job. They might relapse. Take them back in again.

Great. But when you're dealing. And there's reason why it's called a disease. It's down to the hypothalamus, which we'll get into. But if you're not healing the person you're working with and you're just taking the money, you won't last long. Something that happens to you, spiritually, something is going to happen to you. Because they're taking advantage of these people that are dying on a daily basis.

And that's one of the reasons. I'm still doing what I do today is. or sicker to death of watching people die, in and out of the rooms, in and out of hospital, whatever, lack of knowledge. What all powerless over alcohol? No way in print does it say that? And no way do I believe it.

I don't call myself an alcoholic. I don't call myself nothing pertaining to that because my mind will believe that. So I hang around 90 people. You become the 10th. If they're depressed, you'll become the 10th depressed. So the more I find out about, because when I first came over

and trying to get in with all the treatment centers, then we took a stance. You know something? I don't want to work with these shady fox. We've got to pull away. We've got it. And everyone hated us for doing it. And the medical fraternity tried to take my license off me.

Said I was doing damage out there rather than a real deal. But we kept on and we kept on. And people started to get well. And then I think it was Gordon Ramsey to call somebody that I got my first client, which was Eddie Van Halen. That was my first big client. And then he took off from there. It's like everybody started to learn about my name.

I did a Wikipedia on the way here. I show Janet, just put my name in. Never done it before. Just put my name in. And he'd come up. And on one of the paragraphs he said that Dr. Rob Kelly, a clinical psychologist, I'm not clinical psychologist, should be knighted. I'm like, I took a photograph of it.

I'm like, it must be fucking true. If it says, if he says, I may I chat, you know, but I was mind blown. And I'm still mindblown when I see, I've never watched any podcast have been on. I've never seen any TV prongs I've been on. I've never read. my book. It's just something I don't do, you know. I didn't write the book. Janet wrote the book. So over a two-year period, I'd write little pieces or I'd say something. We'd record it. I'd give it to us. So Janet put the book and wrote the book, but I've never read it because

even after all this time, it's too painful for me. I've done my work on it. I think I've not done enough work on it because I still have times where I get pissed off. I'm always shouting at Janet. You know, somebody will say something and, you know, so I'm still working on myself. But I don't want to believe the height. Because when I start, if you look at me, my idea of getting to somebody where they need to be is like you right now, you realizing how good you are.

You realizing how fantastic you look, how much power you have, realizing that you can fucking storm the world. Now, not 20 years time when you look back. Do you know something? I was pretty powerful back there, but I didn't know it. And where I got this from is,

was going through some photographs, me and a friend years ago in my mom and dad's house, and he found an old black woman. white photograph of me and him. And we're both like this and we've huge tiny waist. We'd just come have a competition. We were, oh my God, he said, Rob, look at this. And I went over. It's like, look at our arms. Look how beautiful we were. Look how attractive. My God, Rose, those were the days, man. And I don't know why, but I said, we didn't know it then, did we? He went, no, we didn't. So I said, what if today's one of those days? And that changed my life. Yeah. I don't want to go,

I'm sick to free now. I don't want to get to 18.5. and go, God, it was powerful. Oh, my God, people did like me. Oh, my God, I did make it. I don't want to do that. I want to do that now. And you really have to be strong to do that because you have these haters trying to take you down all the time.

And I don't listen to them anymore. I don't listen to the noise around me anymore. If you're jealous of me again, I don't give a shit. In fact, guys, if you've got haters at home, send them over here, it's fine. You absolutely need haters. Well, listen, somebody said you did a date to me wrong. I said, I've got these hateers. It's like two of them now.

Trolls, we call them. It's like two of them, out of millions of people that I've affected, which is pretty good. It's like, Rob, if you haven't got trolls, if you haven't got haters, you're not doing your job right, man. Yeah, you need them. And I'm like, fuck. So many people in the social media world, do you look at the comments and a lot are negative? Like, when I first started, that was tough. Now, it's just, it's your bulletproof from it, you know?

Yeah. Like, it's just irrelevant. Yeah. It doesn't even matter. And it's kind of, it's kind of my wife that got me there, Janet, because I, even a couple of years ago, maybe now and again today, but somebody to say something or comment online. I don't read comments anymore.

You know, he's a piece of shit. He's not English. He didn't go to college. He's not, you know, he's not whatever. He's to do this. He's just all the scam.

All that shit you hear. And then I written that. And then Janet just told me one day, it's fucking, they can say what they want to say. So my reply for people going through this is the two kinds of people in this world from my 63 years on this earth.

There's a people that love you for who you are. And there's a fucking people that want to be. you. But they're never going to tell you that. So let's hate and write some bad, look, it's not about the money, guys. I'm wealthy. Yeah. I've got everything. So you can sit at home and make your comments from your mom's bedroom on her computer or look at me like in my fucking million dollar lifestyle, you know, it's like who you're going to take notice of? And that keeps big, I mean, when you take everything I've done with the millions and millions and millions of dollars

that I've earned. You look at my success. You look at the people I've worked with. You look at the impact I have with 9,000 patients now under my belt over all them years. You know, and you have to start believe that what you're doing is true and what you believe in makes a difference and how powerful I am today. I'm 63 years old, Ian. Have you seen anybody else that dresses like this is 63? And I've towed down for you, by the way. You could spy you a mile away. Right. I've toned down for you. But it looks good. I just don't care what people think. is like I want to be the guy like when I roll up

and I got the top down and listen to music there's probably Dre playing or something like that okay and I'm listening to the old school and this other guy probably the same age is me

he looks twice as age pulls up and he looks at with disdain from this Mercedes he looks over and it's like I don't give a shit man you want to go to the

what everyone else does fine you want to follow the sheep fine but I ain't getting to 18 years old and God I wish I'd have known I wish you'd have done this I'm just gonna fucking do it I don't give us

it. I don't care what people think. And what are you going to do? You can't stop me. I'm too powerful. I'm too big. I'm too nasty. I'm too educated. I'm too everything. It's like my God took me through all this stuff to be where I am now. Because they still go, what do you know, about about homelessness? I've just seen your house. I sit down and talk to you. What do you know about, losing your kids? What do you know about all that stuff? I've been battered on the streets, knocking off the two. Because when I first got on the streets, I was kind of healthy. So I would win every fight. I used to bear knuckle fight on the streets for money. You know, I'm in I'm like a chameleon, man.

That's what I had to do. But I'm not that person today. But I can snap that way. You've got a very good at molding. Like I can go on the factory floor and speak to them guys and they love me. And I can go in the boardroom and do speak to them on a different level and they love me. And I think that's called streetwise. How do you feel about, you know, like you're helping people.

You're doing good things, but also with comes with that is success and money. but you're also doing something good. So how do you balance that? Because from the outside world, you know, some people could say you're getting rich off other people's downfalls. You know, it's a gray area. You can do so much good,

but there's also a little bit of evil in some people's minds that comes with that. Yeah. So it's that balance of the pro bonoes that we do, the giving back that I do, the hours we spend doing, you know, talks and time. And Janet's the same.

We get a patient. She'll work pro bono in the background, trying to get his business going and all his stuff. So I think after all these time, we have a nice balance. But we do give, give, give, throughout the year, thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars back.

And I think I try and bless somebody every day when I leave the house monetary because I can bless you with complimenting you and stuff like that, you know, but can I help you out? Like, I always stop at the signal lights when this guy there, and if I have the money, I'll give it to him.

I remember doing it once, and a friend was worth me, and I give this guy $20. And my friend said, you know what he's going to do, that, don't you? And I said, well, I fucking hope it's going to go and get some drugs and some alcohol, because that's what I did when I was on the street. And you're on the street. It's like, so I balance it out, you know. I believe that everyone that's been through what

me and you have been through and millions of other people, uh, you don't have an ego. You have confidence from going through all the shit and surviving with God walking forward. This is 30 years walking with God, where I am today. It's not through my ego. And if I stop doing the stuff I'm supposed to do, he's going to take all this shit off me, man. I know. I know. it is. It's like, so he, I think he plays a game. I think he puts people in my path, you know, people that can't afford or people that are less than that people have gone, yeah, he's an idiot, don't work. God puts me that in my path. And if I turn him down, because he can't afford to come on board, he's going to take shit off me, you know? So I have to be vigilant about people put in front of me,

and I have to have balance in my life, and I also have to take care of me. So if I'm not take care of me, I can't take care of you. So the fact that we have such a high success rate kind of speaks for itself. And then when people get to know us and know what we do and help, you go, wow, that Rob's a really good guy, man. Well, you see me on a podcast when I'm all aggressive and shit because I'm trying to get the public's attention. It's a different story. You know, he's mean, he's angry, just like Gordon Ramsey in real life. There's nothing like that, you know, but it's the same with me. I mean, we've taken people into our house. not knowing them that well, you know, just to help people,

because that's what we do. We just want to give back and help. So as long as I've got that balance, I don't think it's about the money or the fame, you know, I think it's about if you can help another human being out today, I've done my job, I don't care what you say about I've done my job. Yeah, you know, that's really powerful about the you got to take care of you before you can take care of other people too.

I had a breakdown nine years ago, eight years ago in Dallas, and my wife had to take me, to a PTSD place for trauma work. It's in Arizona, the meadows in Arizona. So they took me away. I've only said this twice before in my life, but by being honest on here, so they took me away because I had a breakdown.

And the reason I had a breakdown is I'm trying to help everybody, and I couldn't do it. And what I realized from that trauma work is every time I work with somebody, take a piece of me away. If I don't repair that piece in between, I've got to have another breakdown. So the yogas and the gym and the training and the weight loss and the sun time and the grounding and the playing with my dogs and enjoying stuff with my wife, all that keeps me happy and balanced. And if I don't have that balance, you know, I'm aware this could all be gone tomorrow.

But you know what the crazy thing is it? If you took everything I owe, how many people can chat air ourselves and find out all this crazy stuff? I tried it with Janet. She wasn't on there. I tried it with a friend of me. He's not on there. Try it with you. You were on there.

It's like people are making a difference that on there. But if all that was taken away tomorrow and I had a tent, put me my Janet in there, me in there, the dog's in there, and the cat in there, and I'll be as happy then as I am today. Because everything's gone. I don't care. The crazy mind fuck is to try and keep this going. So we have to earn money to keep all the expenses going that we have, you know, staff and offices and stuff like that. But it doesn't drive me.

You know, we like to earn money. Don't get me wrong. But it's not my driving factors. days. If I, if I, if I do what I do and take care of myself, God will sort of the rest. Yeah, I think, uh, like I'm driven by just like my purpose of what I'm doing. It's, it's not necessarily about the money. I'm happy with just enough to pay the bills. Yeah. I don't need anything in excess of that. I just want to, you know, pay the bills, pay past restitution, keep moving forward. But I definitely like struggle with the balance aspect. And because it's hard because

you have all these people that need different things and the guests and doing everything that sometimes, I have to work on that because it is mentally draining. And every interview you do, like you hear some crazy traumatic things on these episodes. And every time there is something that's left with you. And you feel for these people every single time. Yeah. How can you not, you know? Exactly.

How can you not? But like I say, it's accepting it. It's taking down time for you, you know, and healing from that every day, whether that be a quick meditation. My wife just got me into yoga and I freaking love it. Hot yoga? I'm like Saturday morning. No, normal yoga.

I'm like, Saturday morning, let's go, seven o'clock in the morning. I'm sure she thinks I'm saying, oh, my God, I wish I'd never introduced him to it. But it's another spiritual thing that I do to keep that balance, you know, and that's important for me. It really is. And living life to the full is really important for me. I just don't want to get to, like I keep saying in a place and go, oh, my God, I wish it had done this.

Oh, my God, look how powerful it was. I didn't know it. You know, there's not many people look like me at 63. There's definitely not many people act like me. There's nobody can fight like me at 63. There's nobody that can charm like me at 63. And I'm proud of that. Now, two years ago, I'm 350-something pounds.

That's why I pulled off TV. I was too, I disgusted hate myself. You know, all my teeth were messed up when I first come. I met Janet with all these broken yellow teeth, you know, are bigger and she's lovely for who I am. And then I get like this. And it's just like, you know, it's part of the progress as we move on. You have to have pride in yourself, pride in your family.

You know, my job right now is. to provide for my wife, help other people, stay close to God, that's it, the rest. So when I got my big check, like $100,000 for one patient, we took on, that's a mind fuck. Because at the beginning, oh, yeah, thank you very much, you know. But inside you're going, oh, my God, like, I would never earn this in like 10 years, usually. And then the panic is, I'm not good enough for this. There's a lot of money. Oh, my God.

And all that mind mess you go through. But eventually you find that balance is like, You have to know you're worth. People don't know the worth. People operate around 45 to 50% of the capability and capacity. That's through my experience of 9,000 patients. Nobody knows. We take them to that 100% level.

And I think everybody should have a chance to do that. If you think you can't do something, then you can. If you think you can, then you can. You know, once you start getting that mind, so we have a routine in the morning to squash the subconscious mind who wakes us up in the morning and start the day out amazing. Because we found a lot of things. things when we studied.

We studied a lot of stuff. I mean, studied, oh God, it was years ago now where in the ranch, it was like a doctor's office. So when people came in, they sat down, we took them in. But what happened is we paid nine actors. And this is the, this is a stuff I like. So we paid nine actors like $20 or something. Come in, sit down.

And when you call you in, go in, go at the door and go home, give you $20, $30 tea, cockies all sorts. But there's only one thing you had to do is when they come in. When the buzzer went, they had to stand up. So the one patient came in that knew nothing about this and she sat down. She was a normal patient visiting, saying hi to everybody. But in the little waste room we created, all these nine people stood up and then sat down again. And the first time, I think the woman's on the phone or something, they stood up again. Now she's looking around going. It's going on here. On the third, she stood up with the rest them, which is interesting, right, because learned behavior and stuff was trying to prove.

But one by one, they get taken in to the office and they go home and there's only her left in the waiting room. She stands up. That fascinates me. It's like people around us, we take on their traits and their being, not ours. We take on theirs to grow, just like mom and dad teaches how to do certain stuff. So when mom says, don't put your hand on the stove as a toddler, it'll burn you when we do it and he burns us.

Well, mom's always right. Well, people who tell us stuff's always right. but the people around us is who we become. So if you're hanging around people, that doesn't validate you in approval on a daily basis, it's got nothing to do with ego because we need this stuff, then you'll become like that person.

So if you're on 50 grand a year and you want to win 100, hang around the people that earn 100. I mean, it's not, everyone thinks it's hard to earn money. It's not hard to earn money. What's hard is keeping the sanity when you start earning that money. Because now, yeah, well, look at me, look at me. I'm changing my car.

My car every six months. years back, you know, when I'm with Janet, I'm losing 10 grand of pop every time I'm going to change the car. That's insane. But it's still part of my journey of learning my worth. And people call me all the time and they go, hey, how much should I charge? What is your worth? I can tell you my worth if you want me to. And you go, go, go, go, go, oh, my God, it's ridiculous. That's my worth today. And I confidently can say that. I love what I do because I do what I love. And I tell people that come, if you don't, if you go, if you go, to work and you have a boss you're fighting with, get another job.

If you're going home to a wife that's walking on next shows, get another wife. You go, well, it's not that easy. It really fucking is that easy. Stop making things complicated. We want to put the brakes on our imagination. I only want to go as far as the guy next to me who is my friend tells me I can go. It's like, I'm in Dallas for 14 years and I'm saying to my guys, I'm thinking to writing a book. They'll go, you're crazy. You can't write a book. You're not an author. Never wrote a book. Come down to here hanging around new people and Janet's on the case. And I was thinking of writing up, oh my God, you've got to write a book.

So we wrote a book. It's like the people around you is the people you will become if you're not careful. Like I can go back to the streets and help people. I just can't fucking live there anymore. I can't live there. I have to be careful of that. Because there is a time, guys entrepreneurs back me up on this. There is a time when your friends back home or your friends around you, the projects, the street guys and everything.

You start to rise. Now you're earning money. So these guys don't want to know you. anymore. And the guys that already earn money, they don't want to know you, you're from the streets. So you spend this lonely time in this middle area floating where you have no friends. And it's a lonely place until you start, people start realizing you're making an impact. And then both of them, rich guys and poor guys come to a level. He's like, Rob's a decent guy. Yeah, he's doing the right thing. But that point can really mess you up, you know.

You got to have those lonely moments. You have. And I've spent, I still have days like that. And Janet goes, just, stay in bed, cancel all the patients stay in bed and get over it. And that's what we do, you know. It's like, no, everyone's human and everyone has the breaking points. When you do what we do is like, you know, talking to people, educating people, inspiring people, you know, it can be draining when you can't. Like when you get your first check off serious or something for like $10 million,

you've got to freak out just like I do. I'd be happy with a million, man. I'm telling you now. I'll be good with a million. I will bet, I will bet my watch on it. okay that if you haven't signed a 10 million deal within a year, I think I'm going to send you my watch because you can't see the impact.

We can see the end. I'm not getting in a fucking car from San Antonio on driving an hour or half to be with our fucking podcast unless it's Rogan. I ain't going to do that. But we did because we saw you, man. I've seen everything. Don't get me.

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with them. And I'm, what's up, Kevin? And I'm very, you know, lucky to, to have that opportunity and that experience with them. So, and it's like an honor to have that with them. And that's how I know I know my purpose because these are people that have never been giving a platform or never been given a chance and they look up to me for that. Yeah. So I know there's something special. And then I see like the comments of how did you get like a shot caller for a prison gang to sit there comfortably and talk to you?

So there's something there. It's just that comfortability. That's it. And but we never see our worth. We never see how powerful we are anything like that. I'm telling you what you do and the guests have seen. And we're only going one way. And that $10 million check is around the corner.

So when you get it, we're going to deal with it. That's the only question I ask people. Like, like, because as spiritual, when I get to heaven, do you know what, God's not going to ask me? How much was that house? Yeah. How much was that car you drive? That Rolex, solid gold Rolex.

What's that must have got? You're not going to ask me that. How many fucking people did you work with, Rob? How many people did you heal? So when you do start getting this big, big money, it's coming your way anyway because you're doing the right thing. That's when God tests us. It's okay, I'm going to give you all this money.

What are you going to do with it? He's still going to work with that pro bono? I'm going to send you away that I can't afford anything. Or are you going to take it? take that $10 million and run with it and go, look at me, look at me. Well, we have a balance. I have toys. I, you know, we live amazingly, but one of my feet is always in the trenches, and it will continue to be there. People still freak out now and answer the phone. You know, I'm just seeing a fucking doctor writer said, it's me. Oh my God. You know, you're

walking on the street. And so we went in the big century in Dallas to watch the cure. and I was on TV quite a lot back then and me and Janet were opening in this VIP area and she sits down and she goes, you know what's nice? Like nobody recognises us in here. Nobody can just sit here and watch the group. I swear to God, my wife's here.

Dr. Robb! These guys were waving at me and I'm like, oh my God, I think I'm kind of famous, you know? But balance again. Because everyone recognizes me, what a lot of people do in my... If you're in the industry, you know who I am.

If you're a normal person, you possibly know who I am because everyone suffers. Because of the restaurant and this and that is kind of, yeah, I'm not a bigger celebrity as Rogan. But I'm up there, you know. And my only aim is the same as beginning. If we can help one person today, done our job. What piece of advice would you give to a parent that's listening or a, you know, a wife, a spouse,

a husband, a, you know, a boyfriend, a girlfriend, a sibling that has someone that they love that's struggling with addiction. What would you tell them? Well, the first thing we need to do is dialogue. Nobody wants to start the dialogue or the awkward conversation with children. If your kid, you think he's on drugs, when he goes to school, search his bedroom. Oh, well, I don't want to him. No, you'll find him dead. If you don't, and he's taken to a hard drug. So do that. Start the dialogue. Call somebody who can help them and move forward with that. Everybody can recover. Don't let anybody tell you different, guys. You can recover for all that stuff. You can reprogram, remap, recircuit brains and behavior to go with it.

So your kids, if you don't do it now, they're going to start hanging with the bad crowd, nine out of ten times. You end up on selling drugs and stuff because he's in money. You know, you've got to start talking to him now. If it's a wife we're talking about and the husband doesn't want help, then eventually you have to kick him out. You have to leave.

But mostly many, the women stay in relationship way too long than they should. We're staying jobs way too long because it becomes that comfort zone. So there was a girl that got snatched off the streets in Manchester back in 68, 69, schoolgirls, 16 years old. And there was a huge man hunt. Oh, he was in the papers and everything. After about four or five weeks, they couldn't find it. So she was presumed dead.

Nine months later, there was this police car following another car down a country road. And he had a broken back light. So he pulled him over. And he said, hey, is this your car? Let's just check in the trunk like they do. found a stolen, a stolen screwdriver. So now they're allowed to go back to the house and see what else he's got.

And sure enough, lawnmowers, freaking drills, all stolen. But when they're there, they see this box in the corner, four foot high by about 12 foot wide. And they said, we know you've got more stolen stuff in there. And they opened it. And there was the girl that went missing nine months ago. She was bruised. She was battered, but she was alive.

He used to take her out every day, abuser, bath, dinner, restroom, back in the box. For nine freaking months he did that. So when the police woman, and stepped over. She took this girl's hand and she helped to step out this box. She took a police coat off and she wrapped around her. What's the first thing the kid did? He's got back in the box. That's what we do in life.

Get back into that comfort zone, that regular thing. You have to break the fucking box, man. It's a smother-ins and start again and move out and be bold and be brave and be outspoken if need be, if that's your deal. But we've got to start watching. Everybody knows somebody who has a substance abuse. so alcohol problem. Everybody does.

I've not got one person that hasn't. From a lady in Starbucks to the boardroom. Oh, yeah, my brother, my sister, my everybody knows somebody. So why wouldn't it be your kid? So you've got to nurture. You've got to understand what they're going through, you know,

and redirecting away. And it's not as hard as you think. When it becomes hard, is when you leave into their own devices. So if you're, I've got a kid coming home, spending six or seven hours on gaming upstairs because the parents are too late to do anything with him,

I'll show you a future addict for a start. But secondly, it's going to mess his social skills up as it goes out to the world. And we're seeing more and more of that today. He's like, we don't communicate anymore. We don't validate each other in person. I had one kid. I'm like, how many friends you got, 5,000?

I said, 5,000. Yeah, 5,000 on Facebook. Crazy. He said, dude, you plugged into the fucking wall. Mine was blown. He's like, they're not friends. You don't know who's talking to? You don't know.

But that's the society where I have. now, you know, so dialogue, dialogue, dialogue. Absolutely. Well, Dr. Rob Kelly, thank you so much for driving today, but really it was your wife that drove us. But you're driving the way back, and I'm looking forward to coming out and seeing you soon. We'll get that in the books. I'll talk to your assistant about that. And it was an amazing conversation. You have an incredible story. I can't wait to put this out on my platform and definitely stay in touch. And I wish you the best. Awesome, man. Thank you so much. It's been a pleasure.