Locked In with Ian Bick - Inside the Harsh Reality of Doing Time in Rhode Island’s Prison System | Jovante Palin

Episode Date: June 11, 2025

Jovante Palin gives a firsthand account of serving time in Rhode Island’s prison system, the conditions inside, and how he adapted. #PrisonLife #RhodeIsland #TrueCrime #SurvivingPrison #JusticeSystem #CrimeAndConsequences #HardTime #exconvict Thank you to LUCY for sponsoring today’s episode: Let’s level up your nicotine routine with Lucy.  Go to HTTP://LUCY.CO/IANBICK and use promo code (IANBICK) to get 20% off your first order. Lucy has a 30-day refund policy if you change your mind.  Connect with Jovante Palin: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopout_vont?igsh=YzdmN3g5aDlibW1j YouTube: https://youtube.com/@h.o.p_vont?si=6KN0bw4M6TRIC0H2 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/1NhUDwN9Xv/?mibextid=LQQJ4d Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/artist/hopout-vont/174142531 Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Presented by Tyson 2.0 & Wooooo Energy: https://tyson20.com/ https://woooooenergy.com/ Buy Merch: https://convictclothing.net/collections/convict-clothing-x-ian-bick Timestamps: 00:00:00 Overcoming Legal Challenges on the Road 00:04:40 Growing Up with an Incarcerated Father 00:09:32 High-Speed Chase and Arrest Story 00:14:25 Overcoming Challenges in Education 00:19:21 Life in Juvenile Detention and Training School 00:24:09 A Life of Challenges and Choices 00:29:19 Arrest and Hotel Stay 00:34:06 Young Parenthood Reflection 00:39:00 Prison Conflict Over Milk 00:43:39 The Importance of Inmate Credentials 00:48:44 Life on the Streets and Consequences of Theft 00:53:54 Arrest and Jail Experience 01:00:00 Trying Suboxone and its Consequences 01:04:31 Struggles with Basic Needs in Jail 01:09:55 Life in Solitary Confinement 01:14:35 Completing Probation Successfully 01:19:31 Challenges of Starting Over with Family Responsibilities Powered by: Just Media House : https://www.justmediahouse.com/ Creative direction, design, assets, support by FWRD: https://www.fwrd.co Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You're clearly working at. Zootopia 2. Now available on Disney Plus rated PG. Hop out Vaughn. Welcome to Locked in, man. so much for coming all the way from Rhode Island. You had a little bit of a legal dilemma getting over here today. Stady's always trying to pull someone over.

And you guys weren't speeding, right? No, I wasn't speeding, nothing. They just made up an excuse about something on my mirror and stuff like that. But, you know, it's the face tats. They always trying to pull me over for that. Well, I mean, there was four of you guys deep in the car. Yeah, that too. Yeah, that could do it.

With the face that. I could definitely do it. It happens, but at least you guys got here okay and it worked out. Hopefully it was a smooth ride over here. Yeah, two-hour drive, but it was worth it, you know? Yeah. Appreciate you for having me on here. Yeah, plug in, like, your music, what you got going on in your life,

and we'll have the links to it. Yeah, of course, of course. I've been, you know, I've been doing music since I was, like, say, like, 13, but, like, I never took a serious until, like, at least 15 years old, but I never like drop music like that I never dropped no videos never dropped no I was just freestyling every single day

you know what I mean I was I was one of those kids that would be I'll go on with my boy for like a whole year we'll go on like roofs and stuff like that on top of the city and we'll just start freestyling freestyle and it was crazy like so I told them I was like

yeah I'm trying to take this serious one day but I was just stuck up in the streets like you know what I mean so like I never really like got a cameraman and Rhode Island's scene it wasn't even like that then until like

at least 2015, 2016 and it started getting serious but other than not yeah I just once I turned like at least two years ago I started doing the videos

so two years ago I could say that I took it serious I feel like you kind of got a Boston accent a little bit even though you're from Rhode Island anyone ever thought he said a little boss and ice I don't know. Like, yeah, it's just like a hint in some of the words you're saying. I mean, Boston is right there, but.

Yeah. Anyone ever say that to you? You have a little bit of an action? A couple people, but I don't get that much. People just be hating sometimes. Yeah, I think I've interviewed so many Boston guys that could pick it off. Oh, yeah, for sure. So did you grow up in Rhode Island?

Yeah, I grew up all my life in Rhode Island. I never, honestly, I went to the only place I ever been to was like New York, like, a couple times and stuff like that. But I never went out of the country or anything like that. Not yet, at least. China. Where in Rhode Island? Where in Rhode Island? Puttucket, Rhode Island.

Is that a nice area in Rhode Island? I mean, yeah, it's not bad. But, yeah, stuff gets down there. But, like, I'm from the east side, Patucket. Yeah, I mean, it's high. I mean, the crime way, you know what I mean? If you're talking about the crime right, then you can go out there. But unless you're, like, banging out there, if you're gangbanging out there, then, yeah, you're going to, it's a smaller state.

You know what I mean? You're going to run into somebody. You know what I mean? So I always run into people because especially with the face tats, if you're over there gangbanging, it's like, you're definitely running to somebody if you're walking down the street. But you stick out. Yeah, stick out for sure. For sure. Who do you grow up with?

Who do I grow up with? So I had my mother. My dad was doing life. But, yeah, I had my mother. She's like my best friend. She was there with me through everything. You know what I mean? Jumping house to houses and stuff like that.

But she's definitely the one that I grew up with. And my step-paw shot out to him too when he came into my life. But yeah, it was just my mother the whole time. And then I got my brother, my little brother, and my, I'm the oldest. So and then I had my sister and my other and then they had my other brother. Was your dad in prison before you were born? No, no, he got in prison when I was like eight years old. Okay.

Yeah, he did life in there. Were you old enough to know what prison was and what he did and everything like that? Honestly, I didn't really like know why he was in there for a long time until I was at the barber shop one day. And the barber's like, I know, I know your dad. Yeah, he did this. I'm like, huh? I'm like, what? Yeah, it was crazy.

But, yeah, I mean, he did 17 years, stuff like that. But when he did get locked up, I was like, yeah, like eight or nine or something like that. And, like, every time when I'm in school, I always had a, like, at first for, like, a couple months, I had to have a cop, like, by my side at school because. what he did, like all the people, you know what I mean? They just didn't want to chance it. But, yeah, it's just, it cooled down a little bit after the years because 17 years is a long time.

Did you have any relationship with your dad before he got life? I mean, I would go visit him. Like, my mom would bring me to visit him and stuff like that. And when I got older, I comprehended the, like him. He's locked up. You know what I mean? That's my dad. So I got to go visit him, try to get a connection.

So, yeah, I would visit him here and there. And then he got out. And we don't really talk much like that. But, you know, it's still my pops. Now, tell us about your mom. What did she do for work? Where did she come from? What's, like, your background?

So, yeah, when he did that, like, she was a single parent for, like, a long time. So, like, she had it rough a little bit, but everybody goes through things like that. But, yeah, she was a good mother, though. She always makes sure I had something to eat. Even when I was homeless, like, she always makes sure I had something to eat and stuff like that. She made it through. She was working. And I was with my grandmother in the Heights.

And, yeah, she just, she made it work out. You know what I mean? That's, like, my best friend. She was always there. Would you say you guys struggled for money? I mean, yeah, I mean, she was on welfare, so, like, we struggled, but the thing is, like, she always made it work, like, every time, like. But recently, like, we was homeless and stuff like that, but, you know, everybody goes to things like that, but. How would people describe you as a kid, like, your childhood best friend or even your siblings?

What would they say you were as a kid? I mean, if you're talking about, like, my teenage years, honestly, I was just a kid. like always in training school like every time i got out for a week i'll go right back in because i was just i was inside the streets you know what i mean like i was outside kid i wasn't like these new kids in these generations playing video games and stuff like that i was just always outside like by this by jenks like the school that i grew up at with all my friends would be like 20 deep just every single day 12 years old over there drinking just pop. party, just chilling, you know what I mean?

Like, with a lot of people, man. Like, but yeah, I was just outside every day. It's just, honestly, that's why every time I went into training school and then I got out the next day, it's like, damn, I'm free again. And then next week later, I'm locked up again. And I'm like, damn, I'm locked up again. It's like, now training school, you called juvenile detention? Mm-hmm. That's what they call it in Rhode Island.

Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, training school is juvenile detention. Yep. When was the first time you got locked up? And what did you do? So the first time I was locked up was like, I think 15 or 14, something like that. But so I got a high-speed chase with one of my brothers.

And we had this stolen car for like a whole month, like literally a whole month just jotted around like it's my car. and we was just going through like Cumberland over here and robbing all these stores just trying to just get in by and stuff like that and one day this cop I'm driving down the street and then my boy is like, yo, this cop right there. I'm like, fuck. I'm like, all right. So I acted normal.

And I'm 15 years old. You know what I mean? He's seeing a little-ass kid driving a car. And that's when I didn't have face stats and nothing like that. And so when I drove past him, he just pulled his lights on real quick. And then I stopped real quick to let him, like, slow down. And then I sped up. Just out of drifting the whole neighborhood, just having mad fun with it.

Because I was a little kid. So I was just having mad fun. Drifting on them, dipping on them. And then at one point, we lost them. And then when we lost him, he caught back up. And when he caught back up, I was like, yeah, we're going to have to go on foot. So my boy was, my boy has a warrant. My other boy's in the back screaming, ah, you know what I mean?

Like, bro, slow down, slow down. And then, so boom, we're going. I drive in a backyard. Once I drove in a backyard, we start running on foot. Running through thorn bushes and stuff like that. I'm like, and then I go in a shed. I'm hiding in the shed. And then I was like, you know what?

I'm just going to training school again. You know what I mean? It ain't nothing serious. So boom, I hopped out the shed. Start walking down the street. My grandmother, like, lived, like, across the street. And, um, so I'm like, the cop, like, one cop goes by. And then another cop goes by.

And I'm like, I'm good. I'm dirty. I'm looking like I just came out the woods And there's really mad woods around us So boom, it took that last cop to pull me over He's like What are you doing? I know you was in the high speed chase

I said, huh? I don't know what you're talking about officer I'm just going back to Pawtucket And then he's like, nah, look at your clothes I'm like, yeah, I just came out the woods I'm just playing, I'm 15 years old You know what I mean? I'm a little ass kid

I'm just playing around in the woods He's like, I don't believe that I heard on the walkie that they caught one of my boys. And I'm like, all right, officer. It was my car. He had nothing to do with it. You know what I mean?

We get back to the station. Once we're in the station, I'm sitting in the cell, looking out the window. And then I see my boy come up all wet, everything straight soap. And I'm like, damn, what is he? Went in a pond or something? I'm like, what the heck? And then, um, so there, and then my other boy, my one of my brothers, he came up. And then we're just sitting in the cell.

And then the one kid that was in the back seat, he started snitching on me. He's like, it was Javante's car. He's the one that picked me up to go bring me somewhere. I didn't know it was stolen. And, um, once I heard all that, I'm like, bro, I'm already admitting to the charge. Like, it was my car. You know what I mean? Why is this kid snitching on me?

Like, it's just crazy. And then I got my other brother. Nah, I did it with him. And I'm like, bro, you didn't have to get charged for that. Like, you're talking about you did it with me? Like, come on now. But now, yes. So he snitched on me.

Fuck you, Nick. And, yeah, my brother, man, he just, we both went to training school together. we was over there just yeah how much time did you get for that for that um i went to ocean tides it's like a group home type thing so i went to o'tensize for like i say about six months and then um and i was in there with him like i did like four months in training school and then the last yeah three months i did or something like that in ocean tides so i did four months in training and then three months inside ocean tides if you're still using nicotine the old-fashioned way? You are missing out, my friend. Lucy breakers are here

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You know what I mean? But, yeah, I made it to 12th grade, but the reason why I made it to 12th grade is because training school. So when I was in regular school, all the teachers and stuff like that, they just knew that I always left and stuff like that and didn't, like, show that I didn't want to be there. But every time I did try, they would be like, oh, you know,

I don't think this is looking good for you. I'm like, huh? I'm like, you're supposed to teach me. And then they just looked down on me. So I like, I just quit that. And then when I went to training school, like, they actually tried to help you. You know, they didn't look at you some certain way. You got all the kids because, like, I was always with a big group of kids that,

and I couldn't be with a big group because I always got into a little something with somebody. So when I went to training school, it was just, you know, just a little class, you know what I mean? And, like, kids just like me, that's always, you know? And then, um, so I got all my credits up. When I got all my credits up in training school, once I got out, they're like, oh, you could pass next year. I'm like, what?

I'm like, word, all right. So I'm over here actually trying to, like, do the work and stuff like that. But my head's just always just something's going. through my head all the time out there. So it's just... And then the last time I was in training school, I was really 18 years old in training school. I was supposed to be in the ACI,

but the thing is I ran away from ocean tides. I waited until... Because they cut my passes because I got locked up with my... One of my brothers were doing some stupid shit. And once I got locked up, they cut your passes for two weeks.

So I'm like, damn, I'm sitting there inside my room. I'm like, everybody's out right now. I'm just sitting here with no passes. I'm sick. I'm like, damn. So it was a big-ass snowstorm one day. Once a snowstorm came, I was like, all right. And the staff, they come around, like, every half hour.

So when he came around, boom, I'm pretending I'm sleeping. and then he shut my door. I put my Tupac hoodie on. Boop put the Tupac hoodie on. Grab like two other hoodies. Put them under. Grab like five pairs of socks. Grab like three pairs of sweatpants.

Some champion sweatpants. I grabbed my MP3. Put my headphones on. Went right out the window. Boop. Big ass. No, I'm like, damn.

I'm about to walk this from near again to all the way to Patucket? I'm like, shit, this is crazy. I'm like, whatever. I start walking down the street. And now I'm trying to find the bus stop. Because when you get late passes with the program, you have to go take the bus back to your city to get your pass.

And I always got late passes. So I knew where the bus stop was. So boom, I went to the bus stop. I'm sitting there. I missed the last bus. I was heated. So once I was sitting there, I missed the last bus. I'm at the McDonald's across the street.

And this is when I smoked cigarettes. I quit that a couple years ago. But I'm walking down the street. And then I went to the McDonald's. Boom, I'm calling everybody up. Hoping someone answers come pick me up. Boom, no one answered, no one answered. I'm like, all right.

And then there's these two girls that let me use the phone. I'm like, yo, you got a cigarette? She's like, yeah. I'm like, all right, good looks. I was like, I got to walk all the way to Providence. You know how far and where to go for that? She said, you're going to walk? I said, I got to.

She said, I mean, you got to take the highway. I'm like, shit, that's hot. But, all right. And then she's like, yeah, you might as well go to that gas station and sit there for the night and then wait for the buses. I'm like, all, whatever. So, boom, I try to ask somebody else for the phone. and they came back, the two girls,

and was like, would you need a ride? I'm like, to be honest, I definitely need a ride. I got no money, though, for you. Like, I got nothing in my pockets. They're like, no, that's fine, that's fine. And then, boom, they broke me all the way to Prave.

And then they brought me to Patucket. And I went to my brother's house, and he's like, what are you doing? Like, yo, bro, I'm out. You feel me? I just got out. I'm chilling. He's like, what?

You just lost your passes. I'm like, yeah. And then, yeah, from on there, I was like, I was just chilling. And then, like, a month later, they told me I had court and stuff. If I turn myself in, I'll just go back to training school. And that's where I'm coming from when I was 18 in training school because I violated juvenile detention center, like the group home. I violated the juvenile, so they bailed me at a training school.

And that was my last bid in training school when I was 18. And then I did, I think like, about like five, five months for that for running away and stuff. Got out and started my A.C. high bids. Now, did you aspire to be like your dad? Like, did you think him being in prison was cool and, like, you know, like the street rep? I mean, yeah, at a point. But it's like, damn, I don't want to be like him. You know what I mean?

When I was younger, definitely, I was like, man, my pops is locked up. I mean, it ain't nothing. I'm over here doing juvenile bids. But at the same time, I was like, damn, I ain't trying to be like him. You know what I mean? Like, I'm trying to actually change my life in a different type of way. But then I ended up like that when I just got into trouble. But I slowed down a little bit now.

I don't know, I'm slowed down. I got two kids right now, full-time dies, so. It's like... Did you want to go to college or anything? I know you said you were passionate about music, but... I always wanted to, like, do something in school. Like, I'm trying to go back to GED and stuff like that. Once I seen my brother graduate his college, I was like, damn, I'm trying to go to college.

Like, this is crazy, but, you know, I got to go do a whole bunch of steps to, you know, even go back to Kyle and now Trump's president so he's stopping all that education stuff whatever he's stopping but well he's not stopping education well not the education but the free to get into college for free

that's what I heard at least I'm not sure on that you might want to fact check that but I know it's more just like the federal level oh right he wants to shut down the department of education it's different on there's still going to be you know education in the states people yeah he's still passionate about

yeah definitely got a little get to that then yeah definitely check that out and not there's a lot of programs up there for incarcerated or ex-incarcerated individuals you know and resources out there for you to check out all right so how did your mom feel about you getting into trouble as a kid were your siblings getting into trouble or were you like the black sheep i mean i mean my mom like she she's always by my side and stuff like that she always like oh this is my son like i got a you know what i mean so like when I got into trouble she'll be mad like

she'll be crying and stuff like that I'll be calling off through the jail phones I'm like did it again she's like why you got to do this and stuff like that but she was always like you know lesson learned I guess

but yeah when I started when I turned 18 got out of training school that's when I just started the ACI I was installing cars and doing all that dumb shit like that. And she just, she was always by my side no matter what. Like, she'll, if I tell her, yo, tell the cops this. Like, she'll be like, oh, he was here at home. You know what I mean?

Like, she was, she wasn't one of those moms that would be like, yeah, he wasn't here. He did that. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not putting no money in this account. I'm not entering his calls. She was always by my side Like she'll answer the calls Every phone call I get, you know what I mean?

Every phone call that I made to her, she answered She put money in my books Stuff like that, so Were you running with a gang at all? Yeah, I mean, I was growing up I grew up on, at first, I was on the other side of town that I'd be on now Like my father, he grew up on the other side of town

and um but when I grew up that's where I grew up was from the east of Pawtucket and um that's what I just sticked with is the east side and um so it was like an east side gang is what you guys called yourself yeah bucket east like little east side thing that we got going on but um I lived on the other side for a while like the west side and um when I was a little kid though with my father and stuff like that my mom lived there like i never lived with my father because he was always locked up and stuff like that i was always with my mom but she lived out there for like a little bit and then we moved to the back to the east side when i was like i said like like 12 years old when she got with my stepdad so um once we moved there that's when like

I started running with all these kids and stuff like that. That's why I just, every time I try to, um, when I try to like go out places and stuff like that. And then that's when I started getting my face. When I did my first ACI bid, when I was 18, I was turning 19. I was like, yo, let me get a face tat. Like I seen little dirt. I'm like, yo, he got a fly face tat. Let me get one.

That was my loyalty title. over here, so I got that. And then a month later, I get back in there for a freaking knife, something dumb. Once I got in there for a knife, then I got out. And then I just got out, and boom, I go, I'm with my BM, we're over there, like, trying to find a car because we just walked, like, mad miles and stuff like that. So we're trying to get back home. And boom, when we try to find a car to go,

still to go get back home, I was like, we finally found one. And then boom, I had the car for like a week. And then my boy called me. And he's like, yo, can you pick me up? Bring me somewhere? I'm like, I'm over here arguing with my BM and stuff like that. I'm like, yeah, whatever.

Brung him to the hospital real quick. And then he gets out. And my other boy was like, yo, pick me up. I'm like, bro, you just did five years. You think I'm like, I'm picking you up in a stolen car, bro. Like, come on now. How stupid can you be?

He's like, I got that, bro. You just drop me off here. I'm like, all right. But cops pull me over. I'm dipping on them. Like, I'm just letting you know that right now. Like, you just did five years. He's like, all right, that's fine.

So boom, I pick him up. And now we're riding. And then all of a sudden five minutes later, the cops is behind us. I'm like, bro, I told you. Like, no. Now I got a flex. My beams in the passage.

You see my two boys is in the back. And then the cop, like, I, like, stopped a little, just like I did my last high-speed chase. I stopped. I let the cop come on. My beams, like, yo, flex, flex, you just got out of jail. I'm like, hold on. Cop pulls out the gun. I said, er, dip on him.

I'm going 120 on the side road. Straight crash into a wall. Once I crash into the wall, we free. Flip the whole car. Boom. Once we, like the car stopped, my BM's over here, knocked out in the passenger seat.

My two boys is in the back seat. One of my boys hops out. So I'm like, yeah. I grabbed my iPhone 6. That was when the iPhone 6 just came out. I got my iPhone 6, put it in my pocket, open the door from my BM side, push my BM out the door,

picked her up, started running with her a little bit. And then I dropped it on the floor and, like, slapped the affiliate. like that. I'm like, yo, wake up, wake up. She finally woke up after like 10 minutes. I'm like, the cops is all the way down there because I was going 120 on the side of all day.

They was back there. And when she woke up, she's like Flex, I'm like, I bet. So I dipped on her because she told me to her. She's like, you just got out, be out. Flex went behind her shed. And now we got the iPhone 6. So, you got the locations on there. I'm like, yo, where you at?

She's like, I don't know. Follow your location, blah, blah, blah. We met up back up. We're hopping through yards and shit like that. And this big-ass rock where Laila was inside the backyard. I was so heated. I'm like, fuck. I hopped.

I didn't even notice him at first. I hopped in the yard. He starts chasing me. I'm out. And I'm used to running from the dogs, though, because in my neighborhood, like right over there, it used to be these dogs that always got out the fence and I always had to go to school running from them,

hopping on cars and stuff like that. So I'm over there. I hopped the fence, boom, my B.M. We met her. And then we just went in a car for like a whole hour, just sitting in some random person's car waiting for the cops to die down. And I'm like, you know who I could call? My mother, boom, go my mother.

Pick me up. She came, went to come pick me up. Cops stopped there. She said, I'm going to get medications, blah, blah, blah. So boom, she picked me up. And I found out, I met my boy that was in the back seat. He's like, yo, Tyler snitching on you, bro. I'm like, huh?

He's like, I went back to the scene. I heard everything. He's over there telling your girl's name, your name. I'm like, what? I'm like, bet. So now, I'm thinking I'm on the run. the whole time and I'm living in I'm sleeping in a hotel just for like two weeks literally like and then once I got bagged up again for some little petty stuff it was like I forgot what it was

I think it was a knife again I had a big knife on me and the car oh yeah it was but when we was at sonoco the cop pulls me over over there and he was like oh robbie happened down the street I was like what Like, what you mean? That wasn't me. He's like, oh, it happened with a gun. So you got a gun on you? I'm with my BM and my two brothers. I'm like, we got no guns on us.

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So did they realize that you were on the run for the other situation at that point? That's what I'm getting at right now. So right, I'm in there. I'm doing the 40 days and I go to Seg because I just jumped in some fight for my boy, seeing him getting jumped, and I jumped in, bang the other dude. And boom, I'm in Seg. I'm telling me it was K-Mod at the time because, now it's HMod, they call it Hell Mod and Seg.

But KMod is some little block. It's the quarantine block now because of all COVID and stuff like that. They had to change it up. But I was in KMod and I'm sitting in there for like 40 days. And they were like, oh, you got a court. This is supposed to be my last day. I'm supposed to get out. I'm like, well, I'm getting out to my old fuck Seg.

You know what I mean? I'm in there for 21 days for fighting. this kid and um it's literally my last day and i'm about to get out i'm souped and then um they called me for court the next morning i'm like why am i going to court they're like i don't know you just got caught i'm getting out tomorrow that's what i'm trying to do i'm getting out am i getting out of court i'll be soup on that right now and then yo i go to court judges like Damaging property

Stolen motor vehicle Or loitering the police And I'm like They gave me his whole statement I was heated I'm sitting in that cell They gave me six more months So I did the six months

Plus the 40 days And I'm still in sec I'm like damn I'm supposed to get out Now I'm sick I'm just sitting there like fuck And then on Boom So when you get sentenced, you go to another building, like medium or minimum or max, stuff like that.

If you fight a lot and you don't got like a serious charge, you'll go to max. That's if you fight a lot and stuff like that. But if you get in trouble a little bit or whatever, you go to medium. And then minimum is like the lowest one, which is the most freedomist one. Like you go on the work crew, on the highway and stuff like that. but I went to medium and did that whole entire six months and I was heated bro

because if you never said nothing I would have been out that day like That's how it always goes Now why the knife Why did you need a knife that big Did you consider yourself like a violent person Did you ever use it or is it just another Yeah I mean

Yeah I mean So me and my brothers We just got pulled up on that day By the kids from the other side and stuff like that. But, um, so we just went back home, got it. And then we just went to this party.

When we went to this party, we left that party, and that's when that happened. My boy was hungry. He's like, yeah, we need to stop at this store. I'm like, bro, we're going home, bro. You feel me? Like, we ain't doing this right now.

He's like, no, I'm hungry. So boom, we stopped there, and that's when the cop pulled up. Now, you kept saying, the words BM, and for those that don't know, that means baby mother. You know, my kid's mother. How old were you when you had a kid? So I was 19 when I had my first kid. How do you feel about that looking back on it, you know, that you brought in the kid into the world at that age and you were doing what you were doing at that time? I mean, I was souped. I had a kid, but at the same time,

I wasn't in the right state of mind in my life to be having a kid yet. So like I was... It's a lot of responsibility. Yeah, it's like, jeez, I should be having my own house right now if I have a kid and stuff like that. But, you know, I made it through. I made it work and stuff like that. But at the time, like, those times, like, we was young. Like, I dated my being when I was young and stuff like that. But, yeah, it's just, I mean, at the time, yeah, I didn't really, like, think about, like, damn, I should have this kid.

We didn't plan it. You know, but it's like it happens. It is what it is. Yeah, it happens. Now, tell us about those six months at that medium, what that was like, what was going on, some, you know, war stories. Yeah, so like that six months, I went to Seg twice that, those months. And before I went to medium security. So I was in intake where they put you first.

And I'm saying intake, and it takes like the worst place to be. Like you're trying to move so you get some socks. Like if you don't got family that's putting money in your books, if you don't got boys inside of there that's looking out for you, you don't got no bed. You're going to have to hustle. If you don't know how to hustle, you're just down bad. You ain't got no slippers to go in the showers with.

You ain't got no snacks. You ain't got nothing like that. You're hurting. So at that time in my life, I was, dating my BM and stuff like that and like I was going through it mentally like like Rhode Island jail is like it ain't nothing like that but if you're in a gang and stuff like that then obviously you're gonna run into some problems but at that time I was going through it mentally and stuff like that but yeah I went to SIG for once for jumping in for my boy and um yeah I was going through

As soon as I like they locked me up for it They pepper sprayed me for it And um Because that's the main thing they do in there If you get in a fight They're gonna have pepper spray you even if you stop You know what I mean So

Boom I go in the cell They're putting me in this little mod And we got a roommate Because I wasn't yellow tagged at this time And yellow tagged is when you're like You're gang affiliated So they won't put you in With certain people

And um I walk in the door door slams and I'm looking at this dude out the window He's just staring out the window And I'm like yo I just slammed this door Homeboy didn't even look back Finally he looks at me

I'm like yo what you in here for Because that's what I always ask people at first I'm like what you're here for I'm not gonna be in here with somewhere though You know what I mean Some pedophile What they call the ones with the sex charging And stuff like that

But um So I asked him like yo what you in here for He's like just vandalism. I'm like, all right. I was like, what you doing? Looking out that window. He's like, honestly, I'm going crazy in him.

I'm like, no, I feel you. I'm like, so I'm sitting there on the bunk bed. And then I did the 21 days with him. And then, like, the week I was supposed to get out, some crazy dude comes in. He's over here bugging out in the COs. I guess he just knocked out two COs. And he goes in the cell.

He's like a cross for me. So like the corner cells, you can literally see right in their room. So I'm over here talking to him. He's some crazy motherfucker. And, um, oh, you need some tobacco? Show me a bag of tobacco. Give me, like, two dubs. Give me some soap.

I'm like, bro, I'm not buying no tobacco in here. But I don't need a smoke in here. What the fuck? And then, um, he's like, psh. I'm trying to get some soap. Like, nah, I'm keeping mine. And then, because in SEG, like, it's so hard to, like, buy stuff at the first week.

You can't buy nothing until a week later. So, um, like, I ain't got no papers. They took all my shit. They only gave me, like, my, um, the stuff that I had, but I didn't have much because I just, like, got in there pretty much. And I'm already in SEG doing 21 days. and then um so right he's like all whatever so the seals come to his door and the seals didn't want to like they open his trap because that's where they give you your food the little tray they put it through they open his trap and they're like they put the milk on the side fucking with him and he's like

i want my milk they're like you're gonna wait put your hands out the window and we're gonna handcuff you we'll give you the milk. He's like, no, I want my milk. He slams the thing shut. He's like, I want my milk. And I'm looking, and I'm just getting out. You know what I mean? I'm getting out that day.

And I'm like, yo, this dude, bugging. I'm not even going to get out now. So, right, homeboy starts kicking the door. So the seals came with the pepper spray. And they're like, all right, we're going to ask you one more time. You're going to give us the milk? Nope. They shut the vents off.

once they pepper spray you so the fucking pepper spray can stay in your room. Boom. They pepper spray them once, twice. I was like, all right, you're going to put your hands out the trap? He's like, no, fuck you. He's putting a sheet over his face. All you see is just orange spray on Homeboy's face. He's eating it.

He's not even coughing. I'm over here that's going through the vats. I'm over here coughing myself and Homeboy's over there like, nah I'm not giving you I'm not pulling my hands out the trap I'm like I'm over there screaming I'm like yo shut the fuck up I'm about to get out bro calm down you feel me like I'm bugging on homeboy

I'm like bro I'm getting out of sake bro I'm going to population like shut the fuck up and then homeboy's like fuck this I want my milk boom they pepper sprayed them again they give them three tries they pay pepper sprayed them three times so his shit's filled up.

His sheets covered in orange. And I'm like, yo, this dude's crazy. Right. And then they're like, all right, we're going to last step. So they came back with a video recorder. They started video recorder. And I'm like, oh, shit's about to get serious. I'm over here, like, watching.

I'm like, damn, I'm about to get out. But honestly, I'm trying to watch this. And so old boy, he's over here bugging out. So, right, they come in with these, like, riots, like the riot shields and like mad gear. Like it was a straight movie. Like I'm what I did not know that shit was like rail out here in Rhode Island. I'm looking at this dude.

I'm like, damn, like five of them's all riot shield up. They go lined up at his door one by one. And then, um, fucking they're looking out. They're like, all right, are you going to put your hands out so we can put the handcuffs on you? And we'll give you your milk. He said, fuck you. Fuck you. I'm like, oh my God.

So right, boom, they're like, all right. Oh, yeah, it's the buzzing. Door opens. They run up in there. He bangs the riot shield. Like, he hit that shit. Then, I don't know. He gets his nose cracked open.

He's knocked out. So now they're like, they're literally dragging him, like, in the air. Like, they got his arms and his legs. And he's phased down like that. Everything's just gushing on the floor. And they send him out his way. And I got out like two hours later. I'm like, all right.

Like, I was soup that was out. But I was like, damn, that dude's crazy. Like, now, were there a lot of gangs inside the prison there? Or is it just like, would they area? Yeah, I mean, mostly everybody be, like, banging something that's over there from Rhode Island. But, like, there was a lot of, like, drugheads. You know what I mean? Getting methadone at the line, like, over there getting suboxins.

Like, they'll say. I guess they'll be like, oh, I'm on some dope. I need something to relax me. So you get some box and stuff like that. But it was mostly like people in there, like that was in there where was mostly in there for domestics. Like so many people. Like the whole mod was filled with domestics. And I'm like, she's.

And how are those people treated? I mean, there, like, nothing really like happened with them. The people that would be like having those crazy charges. So you get papers every month. And the papers from the consular shows your charges. So if you look like a weirdo, you know what I'm saying? Like you're in there for some crazy shit. People are going to test you.

They're going to be like, yo, what you're in here for? And if you don't show those papers that month, then you're in here for some crazy shit that you don't want to show. See, I have my papers ready just in case anybody tries to. to ask me, even though no one stepped up to my side because I got the face size and stuff like that. So people didn't really look at me like somewhere, though. But, um, so, right, I had a couple roommates that was on that time, like, for little

kids and stuff like that. And I never knew. So I'm in here with some white dude. And he's, everybody's asking him, yo, let me see your papers in the end of the month. Let me see them papers. And I asked him when he first came out I'm like, yo, what you in here for? He said, I forgot what he said,

but he's like, nothing crazy. I'm like, all right. So I'm over there doing the whole bed and then the month came. I'm like, yo, I'm going to need to see the papers, bro, because I'm not trying to be in no cell or somewhere, though. So that month came.

When that month came, he flushed it down the toilet, the papers. And I'm like, bro, are you serious? You know everybody trying to see that shit? He's like, yeah, I didn't think you guys were serious about it. So I just threw it in the toilet. I don't need it. I'm like, bro, I bet.

I'm like, yo, what the fuck are you really in here for? He said, let me talk to you. We'll go back to our cell. I said, bet, say that. Yo, we go back to our cell. He's like, honestly, I did not know she was underage. Like, she was at the park. We was having sex and like, I was like, yo, hold on.

I was like, yo, you fucking serious right now? He's like, yeah, I just didn't know she was in the age. I'm like, all right, here's a deal. I'm like, I need your snacks every Tuesday. I was like, yo, I won't tell nobody, right? I was like, don't come near me. I'm going to sit on this bunk. You are not coming near me, but I, you need to make an order for me every Tuesday.

And I need that order. I'm going to tell the whole block, right? And so he's like, oh. All right, all right. His dumb ass, as somebody else, told somebody else, boom, so now everybody knows. People are running up and myself banging him, hitting him, taking his snacks. And I'm like, now, I don't know. I'm taking that.

So I took the snacks. I'm like, nah, this is mine. And then so Homeboy was like, he's just on the bunk with his head like this. He's like He's like I should have never said nothing I said you're aware though That's what you should have told me

Straight the fuck up First day was in here Like What are you talking about And then I was like Yo you want to Take away that pain He's like yeah

I'm like yo Get that Kool-Aid right Yo it was hilarious Right I had Homeboy With the Kool-Late line Sniffing it Thinking he's really getting high

and he's over there My nose my nose And I'm like Yo keep going You're gonna get high bro I'm telling you He's like my nose And I'm like

He's like This ain't working I'm like Yeah you're fucking dumbass Obviously Kool-Aid ain't working To get you high nigga So So right

Um After that I did like 10 more days with him I was going to That's when I was going to medium So boom I went to medium

and I went to C block, I think it was. Yeah, C block. And then I had like one person in there. I really, like, messed with it because I didn't really mess with people like that. I always try to, like, not get close to anybody in there because I don't know anybody like that except for the people in the streets. But, like, medium big. You got the yard.

You have to go through the yard. You know what I mean? To even get to your block to go eat child. and you don't even got to go eat if you don't want to. Like, they'll be like, oh, child time, child time. And child time is where you go eat your dinner, your breakfast, and your lunch. And so if you don't want to go eat, you can sit in the block, make phone calls, take a shower, do whatever you want. And me, I was over there freaking stressed out about all my girls out there, you feel me?

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I think it was larceny and conspiracy or something like that. And that's when I got locked up back up again. What did you steal? So I was going through this time where I was like, so if my brother's out here in these streets, homeless, doing whatever. And I got my crib with my moms and stuff, my step-pops, whatever. I'm staying out in the streets with my brother, you feel me?

Like, if he ain't coming in my crib, sleeping where I'm sleeping, I'm going out there with him. So at this time, that was the situation where my brother was homeless and stuff like that, so I sticked with him.

And so we're out there running through cars and stuff like that, and I found a cop's car and my dumb ass stole the badge and stuff like that, I was trying to find the guns. But, um,

so, cops pull us over and once they pull us over they've surrounded us like when I say like usually we'll run like we'll run from all the cops like I was fast when I was younger and I did box I did boxing too so like I had a lot of energy in me except for like smoking weed and stuff like that that's what fucked me up in boxing like I'm mad that I smoke because I'm mad that I smoke because I would have been probably on the Mike Tyson wave right now for real. So, right? Boom, cops around us.

And supposedly we went through like four cop cars. We didn't even know. And we're over there going through the cars just to get a couple bucks to go eat. You feel me? Like, because like usually like we'll go rob stores and stuff like that. Go rob like drug dealers or something like that. But this time we're. We had no licks.

Like, we'll wake up, go to Jenks. Who we robbing? And that's where I regret in my life because now I'm just a straight hustler. Like, I just hustle. But then it's like, damn, man, like, who are we getting today? That's where I had most problems with, too. Like robbing everybody, even on that lived five, two minutes away from me. You know what I mean?

And so boom, this time we're just going through the wits because we got a lot. lot of shit when we went through whips, like retards. And that's when I got locked up again. And it's like, but I got, actually, I got out that time early on three years suspended and three years probation. So probation, I was on for a long time. Like, probation was hard, but I hated probation because anything you'll just violate. So I just kept going back and stuff.

like that, but... Why do you think you wanted to steal? Like, why do you think you didn't want to... Honestly, I think just... Like, when I was going through it, yeah, but the thing is, it's mostly because the drill, like, the drill, whatever you call that. The thrill. Yeah, the thrill.

The adrenaline, yeah. Yep. So, like, I loved it. Like, I loved doing it. Like, I loved fighting. Because the boxing made me love fighting even more. Like, when I did boxing, like, that just teach me how to fight even more. And my brothers right now, like, I fought all my brothers. Everyone I chill with, I fought all of them.

Any day. Like, back then, when we used to chill at Jenks all the time, we always went ahead up just to learn how to fight. And, yeah, it was just fun to me, to be honest. And, like, I regret it because, like, damn, I got all these charges now. I can't do what I want to actually do in life. But. Do you wish you stuck with boxing to keep you on track?

Oh, yeah. Give you a hobby. If I stuck to boxing, man, I was a monster at that. I was killing it. If I stuck to that, right, I would have been chilling right now, making money off of it. But yeah, I just, the streets just got to me. Like, it was just too much fun. I was, like, Pawtucket, like, it's like we ran Pawtucket.

Like, we did whatever we want. Like, we had this place that we was robbing cars from. I'm picking up, girl. Like, I'm like 15 years old picking up a girl A brand new Nissan push her stop. She's like, what the fuck? And like, I'm chilling. And, um, I remember this one time when I got locked up.

It was for, what the hell was it for? Oh, it was for my gun charge. And, um, and the cops pulled me over. I'm off these Zans, these Zan pills. And I'm all fucked up. This is the first time I ever. got back for even having a gun and um i'm in all tinted out wet all black they cannot see through that and boom i the kid that snitched out me this kid tyler he for that for that car crash and stuff

like that i was messing with his girl and like i'm talking to his girl for like two days and when i talked to his girl for like two days i got locked up to his girl for like two days i got locked up two days later and I'm in the cell. I'm like, damn, I was off the Zan because I had three Zany bars on me. And the cop pulled this over. I'm like, fuck, I'm not going to jail for drugs and a gun. So I ate the Zany bars. I wasn't supposed that I was going to go sell them.

And then once the cop came to the door, I'm over there. Like, that's why on Google it says I was looking all nervous and stuff like that. Honestly, because I was fucked up, man. Like, so right, I'm over there like, yeah, we got nothing in here. It's like, all right, we're just going to search you. I'm like, sheesh, all right. I'm calling my lawyer. I was like, you can't search me.

Let me call my lawyer. He's like, get out of the car. You drive me out of the car? I'm like, yo, I'm not going to lie. I got a gun in my pocket, boom. So, yeah, he arrested me. And then I don't remember nothing in court because I just took those. box.

So I went to court, went to the ACI, woke up in the ACI. I hated. I'm like, damn. All I remember is getting pulled over that day. So, right? I'm in there so mad at myself. I'm like, did it again. And then, like, two days later, I get a visit.

I'm like, yo, who knows I'm locked up? I'm like, it's definitely my mom. She's always keeping track on me. You know what I mean? Like, if I don't answer her, she's calling a police station. So I'm like Damn is death my mom I'm looking for my mom

In the whole visit area I don't see her I see this girl out The girl this kid's ex That snitched on me Sitting there with mad makeup on I'm like Yo you really came and visit

She said I'm getting you out this day I'm gonna bail you out You could live with me I'm like damn All right I'm chilling Alright Um

She bailed And my mom She was with my moms My sis And like One of my boys and stuff And I was getting out I was in there with my boy

We was in the same mom together We was chilling And he just caught bail The same as that time I caught bail So we're walking out together Sooped up And then Um

Yeah man I lived at a house for like two days And then just left there and then this time my mom was homeless and stuff like that she was going through it so i was just in the streets just honestly like just trying to make money just freaking sleeping outside like yeah it was rough then but then i was sleeping in this stolen car and i had a stolen car because i was like fuck it let me get one real quick let me sleep up in these projects near my house.

Near my old house, North Bend projects, like that's where you bring any kind of car. That's no whatever. No cops is in there at all. So I'm sleeping in there for like a month. And then boom, I got pulled up. Just that one time, I'm like,

fuck, got locked up again. And this is like recent but not recent. This was like, because I haven't been locked up for like three years now. Because I've been doing my father time. You know what? I mean, I went to the streets to become a full-time father, single father. So, like, three, like, four years ago, this is the last time, three years ago, this is the last time I was locked up.

And, um, got locked up for sleeping in that car. And then that was the bid that just, I didn't have, like, nobody pretty much. I had my brother throwing money in my account, my mom's throwing money. but um that was when um i was in a block and when i was in a block they were selling like these kids was like selling all these pills and stuff like that's in suboxone so i had a roommate that was selling the suboxin like all right and the way he said that he took the suboxin he um he got it prescribed to him and he would go

he had dentures so he would make his mouth so dried up and he would go get the Suboxin and put it under his denser and then lift his tongue out oh I did it I did it and then boom walk away and then he's like

yo look I got the strip I'm like then one little strip of Suboxin like was $40 Yeah that shit's got to Yeah. So, right, he did it and sold it. And because he had his boy doing it at the same time that did it, but would give it to him to sell for him to give him a couple snacks. So I'm over there, I'm like, damn, that's disgusting.

But I do your thing, bro. Like, I'll help you sell that bitch. So we're in there, like, sell us the boxing and stuff. Like little ass strips, like a little piece. And one time homeboy, he's like, you want to. want to do some, I was like, I mean, I'll put one under my tongue. I'll try it out, see what it is, I guess. But I ain't trying to do that shit.

He's like, no, I just do it one. I'm like, yeah, whatever. So I put a little piece under my tongue. I was fucked up, man. Like, I was puking in the cell. Never again. I'm like, yeah, I'm good. Homeboy, right?

The way he did it, this motherfucker got the toothpaste, the little toothpaste. He took the cap off. Once he took the cap off, he filled the cap with water. And the little cat filled it up with water. He put the subotics, a little strip in it. And he grabbed the pen, like these little rubber pens that we had. And he started mixing it inside the cap.

And he'll sniff it. So when he sniffed it, he's like, bro, this is way better. I'm like, bro, I don't even like this shit. I'm over here puking every single day. I'm good. I don't want that. He's like, bro, they get you by him. Like, yeah, I'm good.

So right, the whole block gets raided. I'm over here taking piss in the toilet. I'm like, pissing, pissing, pissing. I don't know where I heard the door is slam. That's when either a new inmate just came in or the SEALs is coming in for something. So I look out the door, I'm like, who's new? Like, I always try to catch the person before they come in

so they don't catch me first. And then, I'm like, who's new? I look out. Massio's coming. I'm like, damn, we're getting raided. I told my boy, he started eating the Suboxone. He's like, ah, I'm not getting caught by this. So, right, they opened the doors.

All you hear is do, do, do, do, do. All the doors start opening. They're like drug tests. And, bro, I was only in there for, like, five days. Like, this is time I just got. I was in there for five days. And I'm like, bro, I'm a fail for weed anyways. Like, I'm about to fail for bud.

I'm about to fail for this boxing that I just, the homeboy just like, yo, try it, try it. I'm going to be a puking on it. And then I'm like, fuck. So, right? They're like, oh, you got two hours to pee telling everybody. And, like, I just took a piss. So, like, I'm like, yo, I'm a fail anyway. And they're not looking for subboxing.

And they were looking for these things called J's, whatever the hell it was. There was some other pills that they were all selling in that mud. So I was Gucci. I'm like, I'm going to be good. I'm not going to psych. And then once they was like, yeah, you got two hours. Here's one cup. You get one cup of water.

Like, I chug that cup. I'm over here hitting myself like this in the stomach. I'm like, yo, piss, piss, piss. I'm not going to Sugg again, right? And then that two hours came up, I really couldn't piss, bro. I was heated. So, boom, they brought me to SIG. And then this is when it was an H-block, Helmod.

That's what they call it. And so, boom, they processed me in, took my shoes, because you could go in there with your shoelaces and your regular shoes that you walk up in there with and intake. So you have your own shoes, all that. But when you go to SET, they take it and give you these orange slippers. And so boom, I'm getting processed then.

And now I'm already gang. I'm gang related at that point. And I got the yellow tag. So they put me in a cell by myself. And boom, I'm in that cell every day. I'm like, fuck. They're like 30 days for not peeing. I'm like, what?

I was so heated I did less for a fight than not pissing And I'm only hitting here for five days I was like I'm gonna Fail for weed anyways They're like Yeah well you gotta piss

You know as soon as I walked up in that cell I'll tell you not right I walked up in there I took the longest piss a day of my life I had a piece so bad As soon as they closed that door I was so heated at I was over there trying to hit myself, trying to pee.

Yo, I literally took the biggest piss. And they're like 30 days. And I was, oh, man, I was so mad at myself. So, right? Now, we're in there. And I'm by myself. So, like, it's even, like, more, like, damn. Nothing to do.

It's just a bunk bed and a toilet. There's no desk, no nothing. I got nothing in there. And the books, like, It's so hard to even get a buck. I asked a CEO, I'm like, yo, let me get it. Like, if you know a CEO and you're cool with him, then yeah, you're gonna, you'll get a book right away.

You'll get some paper right away. You'll get to write out some letters right away. But, nah, if you're not cool, I didn't talk to none of the CEOs. So I'm sitting in there just talking to some homeboy that's been in there for six months inside a sec. And he's from New York. And I'm talking to him just to kill time.

I'm like, yo, you really been in for six months? Like, yeah, blah, blah, blah. And then next to him, like, he was, like, next to me. It's called, this kid called Kwansey. Kwanzy, he was a nutcase. Like, homeboy, he had mental problems. I don't know why he was in jail. Like, it's fucked up.

But I guess he goes there every day because he's homeless and stuff like that. So, yo, homeboy was sitting in a, and sell putting that shit all over the wall. I'm like looking in his room. I'm like, yo, nah, I'm gonna go sit back down. The cop is over there. One of the COs will go to his cell and fuck with him and be like, yo, you won't eat that?

Like messing with him and he knows he got some mental problems. You know what I mean? It's like, bro, why are you messing with a kid like that? He's like, you won't eat that homeboy. We'll eat it and everything. I'm like, yo, that's disgusting. Yeah, this is crazy. And then I had next to be some military guy that lost.

And Homeboy, every single morning, I couldn't sleep all night. We got people, because in Seg, people are screaming, kicking their doors. Bro, there's no peace in Seg. So, because the lights are on 24-7, too. So you can't even cover the lights. And I'm like, damn. So you got people screaming. And then, yo, I had this military dude that lost it every single.

morning. Good morning. Banging on my wall. banging on the door. Screaming. I'm like, yo, shut the fuck up. Yo, I'm over there, like, disagreeing on all these people screaming, but now I'm screaming. I'm like, yo, shut up, shut up. Homeboys over there. And then you got Kwanzy over here singing some crazy shit, singing some songs. I don't even know what the fuck he's talking about. And freaking, they got him butt-ass naked with no one. mattress with no blankets because he's shitting on all of it. Like a re-like, you know what I mean? It's like, bro, he got mental problems, bro.

Bring him to a mental hospital. And so he's over there freezing cold all night. And I felt bad. So, right, one day he said, yo, is that Jamie? I said, yeah, bro. I'm like, I'm his boy. I'm like, yeah, it's Jamie. I'm just killing time.

You know what I mean? And then So yeah I was just killing time with him And then The food Like they gave me I was starving everything

Because inside they give you so little They give you one piece of bread With like A little bit of tuna And then Some days they'll give you mad tuna With no bread And I'm like

Yo what's going on So This one day I was starving, bro. Like, I'm over there, like, yo, I need some snacks. I need something.

I'm hungry. I'm like, you're gonna give, like, can I get home boys bread? He's like, oh, no, we don't give no other people's foods. I'm like, yeah, whatever. So, right? I'm yelling outside the cell.

I'm like, yo, everyone. I'm like, yo, you guys want more food? Yo, let's bug out. Like, the girls do it. Like, when the girls be bugging out, bitching and shit, they get what they want. Yo, let's bug out.

And everyone's like, ah, no, no, chill. I'm like, now fuck that. Yo, I stopped kicking the door. Man, man, man, give us more food. Ma'am, man, give us more food. And, yo, everyone started doing it. I'm like, oh, yep, let's go. So when they started doing it, I'm like, yo, when they come for your trays,

because the trays are thick. Like, they could be used as a weapon. You could knock somebody out with that. So the trays, I'm like, yo, Don't give the SEALs your trays. Everyone's like, all right, all right. So, um, C.O goes to the door.

People gave their trays and like seven people. So boom, they sprayed the block up. And then, um, then they came around again. Once they sprayed all of us, they came around one more time. They're like, all right. Are you guys going to give up your trays? And then fucking,

And it took six people that still didn't want to give up their trays. Once they came to my door, I ain't going to lie to you, bro. I gave up my tray. But I'm like, I'm not getting pepper sprayed again. Here you go. Even though I'm the one that started this, here you go. So right, gave up my tray. And them seven people just got fucked up.

Like, they pepper spray them again. And then they ended up giving their trays because they're over there, coughing, dying and shit. So, yeah, nobody snitched on me for that because, like, in Seg, you don't see nobody until they let you out for 30 minutes into another cage. Like, you got a fence that's outside those metal, like the regular fences inside the mod. So you're in there by yourself inside the cage. And so some people come out, but the other people that are scared, because. because they've been talking shit to inmates the whole time,

screaming out their window, fuck you. They don't want to come out to be noticed by another inmate they were talking mad shit about so they'd be scary and staying in their cell. I come out proudly. I'm like, yeah, I was talking mad shit about you. Like, what's up? And we're over there just looking at each other

through a cage. And then, um, especially, yo, when I, when they put us in the showers, they're disgusting. Like, that place is, like, infested with mold. like black mold everywhere and I'm like yo you have to have slippers if you don't have nobody in there give you slippers bro

I'd rather not even shallow because that shit is disgusting it's horrible you better find something to put on that floor and like the new people that come in don't know that like they're just gonna go in that bare foot and get some fucking foot fungus or something like

so like in SEG it was this was the old mod so they they'll handcuff your frontwards and I'm over there in handcuffs trying to shower bro I'm like yo I can't do this shit

like can you take them off like oh no and I'm like all right whatever so you got no phone calls now I guess they changed the law because what are like someone that I knew he um he went to Segg

but he hung himself I don't know how he was a big boy don't get I don't get it So he hung himself. He died in Sag and stuff like the I repeat of him. But, yeah, they changed, like, the laws in Seg and Rhode Island where, like, they could only put you in there for a certain amount of time. They can't keep you in there for longer than whatever it is and stuff like that.

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Like, did a part of you like it because you thought it was cool and the image you were going for at the time? I mean, I'm not going to lie, like, I didn't like it, but the thing is, I thought it was like a movie to me. You know what I mean? I'm like, yo, I just made, like, if you don't make it, like, if you don't go to jail and you're like, all right, I'm in jail. No, I'm a jail bird.

I'm not going to think about the out. Then, yo, Larson, man. But if you don't think about it like that and you're just thinking about the out, you're going to go crazy. Like, people will be going nuts. And it's like, I couldn't do that, bro. Like, I did that my first. never again. So I was like, you know what?

I'm gonna just, I get locked up then that's what it is. I'm gonna just be a locked up baby and not even think about the hour. Like the phone calls is what fucks you up. The visits fucks you up. Stuff like that. Like once you get all that

every single week, you're like, damn, I need to be out. But once you don't think about it, you're like, you're hustling in there, play spades, whatever. What changed after this last prison sentence? Yeah, so like now, after being locked up for every single week, every month, whatever it was, like I just, I had my own daughter, my other daughter. So boom, now I'm over here having my daughter.

And now I'm like, damn, I got to change my life. And I was, I'm like, yeah, I got to change my life. so right and then like a year later yeah like a year two years later because my son is about to turn three and my daughter's four so they're like right there so I had another baby and I have my son like yeah I can't be doing this you know what I mean and then yeah so when I had my kids we I got a crib and stuff like that, a house. And I was just like, yeah. And then I got off probation after the three years.

Like, it's crazy too because, like, I never went to probation when I got out that last bid. Like, I did not go to the probation meetings. I did not go do nothing. So, right, after three years, it was my birthday. And they caught on. they're like, you haven't been here. And I'm like, nobody called.

I haven't got mail. Like, what do you want me to do? Like, what the fuck? And then, right? So they're like, all right, come in. If you call any new charges within three years, then we have to violate you. I ain't catch no new charges.

Only, like, traffic stops and stuff like that because I've been good for three years. And then, um, so they're like, wow, you actually been good, you know? All right. you got to do more probation, you're done. Even though you didn't come for no meetings or anything like that. But I was blessed, bro. Like I had my kids now. I'm over there.

Like, well, I had my daughter at that time because it was three years later. And then, yeah, I was blessed, man. What do you do for work? Well, I'm a maintenance and stuff like that. But, yeah, I'm trying to work on that. and with this music. I'm trying to, you know, I've just been trying to work every single day,

trying to come up with, like, make new songs and stuff like that because, like I said, I've been doing it for so long and I see everybody, now I'm seeing people from Rhode Island actually go on top of the cage and actually,

because it's hard of Rhode Island with a smaller state, you know what I mean? And no, everyone's not even noticing us, you know? But, yeah, you just got to work hard every single day to get actually notice stuff like that's why i'm out here right now how will you make sure that you don't go back to your old ways so my kids is what's making me not go back to my old ways i get them times i'm like damn man like i was always like so i call myself hop off on for a reason

because when i was younger i always hopped out on all my like people i beefed through it all my enemies, they send the address, I'm going right to your door. You know what I mean? So I always hop out. Boom. Boom, that's when I started calling myself hop out. But I never wrapped at that time. I only just freestyle and stuff like that.

But so, yeah, it's just, I'd be stuck in those ways a lot. But my kids is what keeps me out of that. You know what I mean? And I got some, I got a good supporter grandmother and grandfather that I love them to death. And they be helping me out. my mom, she's the best, you know what I mean? So, like, I just be trying to change my way because now I just think about getting money, you know what I mean?

Like, before I just was old, I get money, but I'll just smoke a drink, the money away. You know what I mean? And now it's like, damn, I'm trying to hustle and actually get to buy a house for my kids and actually do this because, like, I'm a full-time father. I just take care of them, go to work. make some music. And I just, you know, literally just, it's crazy to me because, like, I was out there in these streets every single day before my kids, every single day.

And then I, now I'm just a full-time father. And I'm like, damn, this is crazy. Like, even my brother said it to me one week. He's like, yo, I never seen you so happy a day of your life. And then, like, he's like, he's like, you, I actually see happiness inside of you now. since you've been having your kids and stuff like that because we was out in the streets and he was out there struggling and stuff

but yeah it's like it's a blessing for real what's some of advice you wish you could tell your teenage self now that you're older and wiser don't catch no felonies that's what I wish I didn't catch no felonies because stuff that I actually want to do like with the maintenance stuff and stuff like that

it's like especially with the face chats too Like, I know I got the felons, but with the face tats adding to it, it's like it doesn't work out with a lot of places. You can still get like a good job and stuff like that if you want, especially with that construction and all that. But I ain't trying to break my back all my life. Trying to actually, you know, relax sitting like this while I'm getting paid. You know what I mean? And my brother's doing it. He's over there doing coding all that stuff.

Like over there, like with the insurance thing. he's over there, he just got out of college. And I'm like, damn, bro, I wish. Like, I wish I started my life like that. It's not too late to start over. Yeah, it's not too late, but it's harder, you know. Definitely harder. Yeah, I'm going to have to, especially with two kids trying to change and go to school.

Oh, man, I'm not going to work out. It's just going to be too hard right now. Well, brother, I appreciate you coming on the show today, making the drive up and sit down and show your story. Of course. I appreciate you. having me. Absolutely, brother.