Locked In with Ian Bick - Joining a PRISON GANG & Getting Teeth Knocked Out By a C.O | NS Brooklyn

Episode Date: July 27, 2023

Raised in Brooklyn by his father and step mom, Stan is charged with his first crime at 11 years old. Not too long after, Stan starts skipping school, leading him on a path to even more trouble. In this episode we follow Stan's story of constant prison visits, spending months at a time in solitary and his time as a prison gang member.Connect with NS Brooklyn:http://linktr.ee/nsbrooklyntv00:00 Intro01:15 Childhood 03:40 Fraud at 11 years old05:10 Relationship with his parents 08:22 Juvenile Detention  11:45 Committing Robberies 14:05 Rikers and sentencing 16:57 Running while on probation, arrested again 21:40 Solitary Confinement 24;44 Robbing Drug Dealers leads him back to prison 31:30 Joins a Prison Gang 38:00 Smuggling in contraband 40:00 Teeth Knocked out by CO's45:22 Gang revisited 46:35 Life after Prison  Connect with Ian Bick: https://www.ianbick.com/Subscribe to our membership program on YouTube to get early access to interviews, see behind the scenes photos & more:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRvVklIft6DMelVW18M0oBw/joinPowered by Q29 Productions, LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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PH 71529, pH 71529, pH 714659. Welcome back to Lockton. I'm your host, Ian Bick, and on tonight's episode, we have NS Brooklyn here to tell his story about how he immigrated to the U.S. from Russia, grew up in a one-parent household with his stepmother in Brooklyn, New York, and started getting into crime and getting arrested at a very young age, landing himself in multiple prison stents, and ends up joining a gang inside New York State prison system. In this episode, we also dive into what it was like to spend the majority of his prison sentences inside solitary confinement and what the process was like to join a gang in prison and what he had to do as a gang member. Thank you guys for tuning into the show. Thank you for all the love and support you continue to give us on a daily basis. If you could take a second and please go check out Spotify or Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast from and just leave us a simple review. It helps us boost the show and get it out to more people. Thank you guys again, and I hope you guys sit back and enjoy my interview with N.S. Brooklyn.

NS Brooklyn, welcome to the show today. Well, your name is not actually N.S. Brooklyn. You just go by N.S. Brooklyn. What's your real name? Stan. Stan. Awesome. Well, Stan, welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. Of course. I don't think they'd put N.S. Brooklyn on a birth certificate. Um, where, where are you coming from today? Um, from Brooklyn. From Brooklyn. Did you grow up in Brooklyn? Yeah, um, I was born in Russia, but I've been living here since I was one year old. So you're from Russia?

Yeah. And your both parents are from Russia? Yeah. Interesting. And you, they moved to the U.S. together to raise you or how'd that work? Well, my mom passed away in Russia, but my father came here with me. I'm sorry for your loss, man. That's right. And she died early on at a young age.

Yeah. committed suicide when I was like one. Oh wow and how old were you when you found out about that because you can't process that at one years old? No I mean it was like a weird situation but I always knew that my whole life I don't know exactly what age but because I had a stepmother growing up so you moved to Brooklyn one years old you're with your dad and your stepmother yeah what did your dad do for work um in America he he he's He used to work for like car services. He used to own car services. And how did you guys grow up? Is it a nice apartment or is it the shitty part of town? What's it like? It wasn't too bad. We had a little bit of

money at first, I guess. But then later on it was like it was worse and worse. And what was it like a one-bedroom apartment, two-bedroom? Describe like the setting. Well, I had a little brother But so eventually when we moved, I had in my own room. He had his own room. My parents had their room. How old was your brother? He's like five years younger than me. Five years younger than you?

So he was born in the U.S. Yeah, he was born in the U.S. And what's like the neighborhood like? Was it like gang ran? Was it violent, criminal? What was the environment? It was like a Spanish predominantly neighborhood. There's always like drugs.

and crime going on, probably all over Brooklyn. How is like your middle school experience? Are you exposed to like crime at a very young age? Yeah, I kind of went to like jail, like juvenile jail when I was like 11. That was the first time you were ever arrested. Yeah. What did you do to get it caught up in that? I was like, I think it was from fraud and like not going to school.

Fraud at 11 years old. Yeah. What kind of fraud does it 11? year old commit well when i was 10 my my stepmother went to russia for vacation and i wanted a new pair of jordan's that came out and so i asked my father if he could get it for me and he's like i don't have the credit card your stepmother has it and then like the next day he's like yo i found a bill it was like a credit card statement and they had the credit card number on it so he's like see if this works because he don't really speak English.

So when I went online, I bought myself sneakers using that credit card number because it was on the credit card statement. Back in this time, there was no CBB numbers, like the way we have now when you order stuff online. Back then, it was none of that. So I think maybe a couple of months later,

I was coming home from school and I seen a whole stack of mail. I lived in an apartment building. And when I went through the mail, I seen there was credit cards. like a statement, same statement that my stepmother had. So I took that and then I started ordering myself, everything. Really?

Yeah. And then someone reported you or how does that work? Well, I think at this time, like my dad and my stepmother found out. And then they called the cops. Yeah, my stepmother always hated me. So she just called the cops, I do. Yeah. Oh, and juvenile police or does the regular cops come and arrest you?

Yeah, but like you don't really get in trouble like they go to the police. whatever they let you out you go to like family court it's not real court but i also wasn't going to school at the same time so i was already you dropped out no i was like delinquent i was just some days not going to school and stuff like that like why was it no one was forcing you no one was pushing you or you didn't care what happened was like a year before that when i was in school well my similar friends came from russia to america and they lost the ring in the house like They lost some kind of ring. And my stepmother automatically blamed me, like, I stole it.

I never stole nothing ever in my life. I was, like, nine years old, right? Yeah. So she used to beat my ass every single day. Like, she even gave me, like, a piece of wire that sticking a sock in one time and told me to stick it in there, and I stuck it in there. And then, like, electrocuted me. So after that, like, I said I took it.

And they were, like, what did he did with it? I'm like, I threw it in the toilet. Like, I didn't know what to say. Like, I'm a little kid, right? Like, what am I doing with? jewelry. Yeah. So when that happened, like, I became like the thief and I never even stole nothing before in my life. So, and then when I was going to school, my stepmother used to tell my teacher this stuff, like I was stealing jewelry. So one day my teacher came up with,

she said, I'm missing a chain or something like that. And my stepmother automatically, like, he definitely took it 100%. So like that kind of deterred me from going to school period, though. like yeah i didn't you didn't want to yet it got associated with like something bad yeah and i never like i'm a what are you stealing jury at nine years old like you know what i'm saying like you still like comic books or like like i was reading comic books at this time like what am i like what can i even do with it like porn is so your relationship with your stepmother wasn't good in the beginning it was good she used to be like my mother like i still remember this like once my little brother was born i was like he was like fuck him and everything was about him like so she used to like

took food and she used to try not to give me the food. Because that was her kid. Yeah. But before that, we used to be best friends, basically. How was your relationship with your dad? Are you guys close? Yeah, we was always close, but he was always working. Like, he was the one because she was home with her son.

So my dad was always at work, like, most of the day, from early morning to late at night. So it was always good. Did you, do you speak Russian? Are you fluent? Yeah. Completely fluent? Yeah. I mean, I only speak with, like, my father.

and stuff but yeah i speak fluent russian and did you ever travel back to russia since coming back yeah i went there when i was younger to like 12 and 14 but you haven't been back since no it was it wasn't good so how old are you now i'm 34 and what time period were you growing up in what was it early 2000 no yeah like 2000s yeah 2000 like i'm born in 89 so like born 89 okay so we're six years apart i was born 95 that's when my little brother was born 95 when's the first time start like getting into like crime and gangs and stuff is that high school time period? No I never even made it to high school you never never graduate high school no so you just dropped out at middle school and that was it yeah I'm not um I ended up getting my GED in in jail and then I went to college

at 16 actually but that's because I was on probation and stuff that was for like the first original crimes no the original for the like when I was 11 years old they made they sent they ended up sentencing me the two years in a juvenile facility. It was in Lincoln Hall somewhere around here, actually. That seems a bit excessive for an 11-year-old? No, well, this is a juvenile facility. It's for juveniles, but that's because I wasn't going to school.

Mainly, like, I didn't want to go to school. So if your parents can make you go to school and you got a case already in family court, they take you away. So they took me away. Like, it might have been 13 or 14 by the time I actually went to the Lincoln Hall place, but I got arrested at 11. What's that like being in a juvenile detention center for a couple years? To be honest, it was fun for me.

I didn't think of it as jail too much because, like, you get to go home once a month. You get home visits and stuff like that. Like, it was like a non-secured detention center. So I used to just play basketball there. I used to be bad though. I used to fight everybody in there. Like, I was a little kid. Like, I was so short and small.

But I didn't care. Like, I used to just fight everybody. everybody and it wasn't i didn't look at it like punishment like did people pick on you because you were russian no i mean to be honest nobody even like knew i was russian unless i tell them what they see my name like everybody always thought i was spanish my life they thought you're spanish yeah i could kind of see that a little bit maybe yeah well i always had like long hair like so but i don't talk with an accent a lot of russian people have accents like yeah everybody i know when you get out of the juvenile detention center what do you do you get a job

or are you going back into crime? No, by the time I got out, because I ran away from there for like six months. You ran away from the detention center? Yeah. How do you run away from it? You go home on the weekend, so I just didn't come back. Why did you not come back?

Because it was like easy not to come back over there. Like, I was a bad kid in there. Like, I wasn't doing nothing progressive. They didn't have me in school in there. Like, you're supposed to go to school, but I was so bad that they should not even put me in the school building. I used to play basketball all the time. just when I ran away, but by the time I finished with them, I was already 15 years old, almost 16.

Do you think that's what you needed, like some structure, someone to help you and be there for you? Probably, like, I just feel like if it was harder in there or, like, if I, it was more, like, repercussions for the stuff I was doing in there, then I probably wouldn't go out and do more crime. But it was fun. Like, I didn't look at it. something bad. And you decide to run away what happens? Where do you go? What do you do? Well, I was like home or I was in my friend's house and they don't really look for you that much. Like they come once in a while. Like this is like your little kid like it's not like serious.

No. Warren squad coming to your house. They come like once. But you're on the run from the cops basically. Yeah. And so what do you get into? Like what are you doing? How are you spending your life? Well, I was just hanging out with the wrong people, bad people, and we was basically like robbing people at this point. What types of people? Is this a gang you're associated? No, no, no. It's just people from around the neighborhood and stuff. And you're just deciding to rob? What's the cause? Like, are you thinking it's cool? Are you doing it for the money? Well, it was for the money because I was already used to having so much stuff. Like I told you I used to do the fraud. So I used to buy every single, like when I was growing up, I had every single video game, every single single. every single movie that came out like VHS

I said walls full of them anything new that came out I used to get it for myself so once I realized oh at this time they changed the credit card thing so I couldn't do that anymore now you needed the three digit code like I swear I always tell people

they did that because of me because I was ordering so much stuff so you couldn't just use the card number no more you had to put the CVB code and I couldn't do that anymore so I had to find different ways to supply like my, I guess, addiction to stuff. Now, are you doing drugs and alcohol?

No, I mean, I was drinking, but not really drugs. You were never really into that at all? I did drugs here and there, but, like, nothing addictive. Now, later on, like, as time progresses, do you get caught up with any gangs at all? Yeah, in prison, I did. In prison. So what do you do that lands you in prison? Like, how does that catch up to you?

Well, I was robbing people, so I. I got caught for like four robberies or something like that. At how old were you? 16 years old. 16 years old, you get caught for four robbers? Yeah. How do you get caught? What goes down?

Well, I got caught because I robbed, it was like a random person in the street. And while I was robbing him, there was actually feds there waiting to raid a, like, a whore house or like some kind of house. So like it's a dead block. And then once I robbed this guy, it was. me and my co-defendant. We robbed this guy, and then the feds come out of like 20 cars, already on the block, but I don't know they're doing like a sting operation. It's just bad timing.

It's a wrong place, wrong time. Yeah, it was literally like down the block from my house, too. And they arrest you? Yeah, they... And what happens next after they arrest you? Go to Rikers Island. They brought you right to Rikers? Well, you go through the bookings, and then you go to Rikers Island, they put bail.

Did you get bail? Yeah, you always get bail. They didn't know that you were already on the run from... Oh, no, no, I already completed my... Oh, you completed that. I ended up going back to Lincoln Hole and completed it, and I was ready to release from there. They didn't even really extend my time over there either. They just wanted me to be finished with that, so...

So how much time do they give you for this robbery? They get a call for at 16? Well, they give you... They ended up giving me a six-five split. It's like six months probation and five years. I mean, six months in jail and five years probation. So they give you only six months? In jail and five.

five years probation. But you do something to screw that up or do you get more time? When I got out of, when I got out of Rikers, I was going, I was 16 still. I got my GED while I was in Rikers Island. So I automatically went to college at 16. And where did you go to college? New York City Tech. This is after going to Rikers for six months. What's it like to be 16 years old on Rikers Island? Is that scary? It was terrible at first. What's like a day-to-day life? I mean, when you're at a lesson and you go to Rikers Island, they're basically, like, they ask you if you're with it. So you got to, like, follow the program rules. And if not every, the whole house beats the shit out of you.

The who beats you out? The whole house. The whole house? Yeah. What does that mean? That means whoever's in there, like the inmates, they all jump in you and just beating the shit out of you. Did you get jumped your first week in prison? Yeah, not in prison, but in Rikers Island.

Yeah, I got jumped like 10 times. Why do you get, just because you were. weren't gang affiliated or anything? It wasn't really about gangs. It's like they wanted your commissary and stuff like that. Did you have a hard time because you're a young white kid at Rikers? Yeah, but to be honest, that didn't matter if he was white or black. Like, unless you knew somebody that was like somebody in there. This was happening to like 95% of people in there. What were the living conditions like? Well, I really didn't even stay in the house for too long because I kept getting jumped. So they, like, I ended up getting bailed out. My father bailed me out.

Then I ended up going back. Are you getting beat up, like, bad when you're getting jumped? Yeah, but I know how to fight and I know how to protect myself. Like, if I'm getting jumped too bad, like, I'm just going to try to run out of there at this point. Like, at 16, I'm not. Now, did you have any aspirations? Like, did you want to do something when you grew up? Like, did you know what you wanted to do with your life?

Not really. You were just kind of like a lost soul and, like, the going through the waves and seeing what happened. Yeah, I mean, in the street is like, I basically, when I was doing crime, I had everything that I wanted, so it was not like, I never thought about I'm going to get a job, I'm going to do this, and at home it was always bad, so it was like I didn't even want to be at home. So it was a recipe for disaster, basically? Yeah.

So after this Riker's Island stint, what happens next? Well, I ended up going to college, but then this lasted about three, four months, and then I just stopped going to probation. because I was smoking weed and they didn't want you to smoke weed so it was like well it was a crazy story too I went to go do a drug test

I failed the drug I put water in a cup like when they ask you to pee in it they wasn't looking at me I put water the guy put a stick in there he's like all right this is not urine you put literally water in here

so you're going to get violated I talked to my probation officer like two minutes later she goes next time you come I'm violating you so I go on a run I last for eight months in a run I get stopped by a cop in Georgia I was in Georgia

I ran like all the way to Georgia I get arrested in Georgia and they let me go I didn't even have a warrant out for my arrest so it turns out which I found out later as soon as my probation officer told me I'm gonna violate you she fell down those flight of stairs

and broke her back because she never even got to violate me so I was in a run like for no reason I really wasn't even supposed to be on a run oh wow and then like Nine months later, I get a new P.O., and he's like, what happened? Why come you're not coming in? And I was so confused at this time.

I didn't know what was going on. She told me she's violating me. But long and so short, I got sentenced to prison after that. For violating? Yeah. For being on the run when you didn't even need to be on the run. Yeah, basically. How much time do they give you?

Two and a half years in prison and three years post. They give you two and a half years in prison for that run. Where do they? Well, it's for the robbery. So your original case comes back in front of them. So it's for those robberies. So they resentence you basically. Because when I got sentenced to those robberies, like the judge already,

I had like the worst judge in Brooklyn. Her name was Patricia Domingo. She was on the TV show with like hot judges or something like that. She was the worst judge. And she literally told me, if I see you again, I'm going to give you the maximum sentence I could give you. Because usually if you violate that, you get like a year in Rikers Island for that.

They gave me two and a half years in prison. And where do they send you to? At first you go to, I went to green correctional facility. And how old are you when you stopped? You got there. 17 years old. You're 17 going to this adult prison? Yeah, no, this is like for all the adolescents.

So when I get there, I basically know everybody from Rikers Island that was with me there. So I'm in there with them. Are you getting jumps still? No, no, no. The jumping only happened like in the beginning. Like the last few months, I was already good because the people knew I was fighting back and stuff like that. So they wasn't jumped for me anymore because there was, you go from house to house.

If you get jumped in one house, they put you in another house. It came to a point where I got jumped in almost all the houses. So it was like you start back already in the same houses. Yeah. Now, are they asking you to join a gang when you get to green? Nah, not in green. There's like gangs in there, but it's like, I'm still like a young-minded kid. So I was just running around being stupid in there.

What would you do when you say being stupid? Like when I was in the dorm, I used to like play fight with everybody like with like there was one guy who was like 24 like and he was like the biggest dude in the whole compound. He came from maximum security and I was his neighbor and he liked me. So like I was just a play fight with him. Like I used to stabbing with pencils like all types of suit, little kids here like even though it's still 17 but I was like young minded still. Yeah. So I should just run around fight. And then one time we went to the back.

basketball courts and I was working out and I called next for a pickup game and then there was some lion king kids there and they ended up losing and they got mad and they're like that's it this is a lion king thing you can't play here no more so I'm like what so I literally went to go fight him and my man grabbed me like not chill and then when I got back to the dorm I was supposed to fight some lion king kid I didn't know who he was but when he's seen me he's like no I'm not fighting him Like, I'm not, I'm not going to fight him. So after that, when I went outside, I ended up cutting the kid that said that you can't play basketball here and stuff like that. What do you cut him with?

A can top. A can top. And he just cut him. Yeah, because that's what they do to you. So, like, I'm not part of a gang. He was. And they don't like to be punk, so that's what they're going to try to cut me sooner later. Like everybody was getting cut.

So I ended up cutting him. I got caught. And after I got caught, the police beat the shit out of me. And gave me like two years in the box. They put you in the shoe for two years. Yeah, but I ended up like, you get an appeal. So I got like an appeal and I got released six months later. But you still did six months in the box?

Yeah. Can you describe what that's like? Like what's it like to go to the shoe for that long? And what's it like to live in the shoe? Well, in New York State. the shoe is you and another inmate with a shower in the cell with a door in the front, a door in the back. In the back, the door opens up to a wreck cage.

So if you got your wreck in the back of the cell, and you don't leave that cell ever unless you're like going to medical emergency or something like that, you got to the doctor. But you're staying at all the whole time. And how are you spending your days? Like living with someone, you're smelling their shit, they're, smelling them pee like you're just there every day i mean that's just the way it is in new york state isn't that kind of like inhumane in a way it is but i'd rather be with somebody than be by yourself in the in the in the shoe what do you guys talk about i mean we're playing cards we're just talking about

like i had one bunkie and at this particular time i'm still friends with him now like i still talk to him in the streets so like and he was my bunky the whole time in there what are some of like the other guys in the shoe for what because did you guys like were able to talk to other people like shouting through the cell i mean you could shout through the cell when you go to the wreck cage everybody got the same wreck time basically so you you throw kites like you connect fishing lines and then you stay connected with fishing lines a whole bunch of times yeah can you explain what fishing is when you're in the shoe in prison and what kites are so kite is like a message or no or a fishing line is you ripping up t-shirts or you're ripping up mattresses and

And you're making like string. And then you make like a pole out of paper. And then you throw your pole out there. And then they throw their pole out there and they connect. And then you just keep that line connected and go back and forth. And what kind of messages are inmates sending? I mean, most of the time it's just like magazines really like, right? Like you get a sock and you connect your socks because it's like gates.

So you could put a whole magazine, a book. And you just pass in books and magazines. to each other. Yeah. What about contraband? Can you get contraband in the shoe at all? Yeah, I mean, you could go down on visits and you could get drugs. You could get whatever you want.

To the solitary? Yeah. I mean, if you're in solitary, you still go down to regular visits. You can get a visit while you're in the shoe. Yeah. It depends, unless you're in a shoe for something to happen in the visit floor, then they take away your visit. Dude, it's got to suck being in just a cell all day for that long.

I mean, I did a few months of the shoe, but you did over six months straight. Yeah, I mean, During the whole course, like I did over eight and a half years in prison, I did like seven in the box. Seven years in the box. Yeah. The same way I told you, I was in Rikers Island in every single house. I've been to every single maximum security prison in New York State. So you finish this jail sentence.

How do you get another jail sentence? Well, when I get out from jail, I didn't want to go back. So I went to Florida and I was doing good for my, I also got a sister that lives in Florida. So I was doing good. I was working and stuff like that, but sooner or later I went doing crime again. How old are you? I'm 23 at this time. And what crime lands you in prison again?

I was robbing drug dealers. Robbing drug dealers. Yeah. What gave you that idea? Because they're not supposed to tell any, right, if you rob a drug dealer, like, they're doing something illegal and it's easier to get away. you think it's easier to get away. And how would you rob these drug dealers?

How would you find them? What would you do? Well, I'm white and nobody expects me to, like, rob them. So it was me, like, trying to buy drugs off of them, like, pounds of weed. And I showed them cash, and we can meet up in a public area, wherever you want. Well, most of the time, if you're doing drug dealers, you don't meet up in a public area. So they just meet me. And I usually get weed.

I was going for weed, so I was getting like 10, 20 pounds of weed. You were saying I want 10, 20 pounds of weed. Yeah, well, I buy one here. I buy a five here. That's a lot of weed. Yeah. So they would show up with the 20 pounds of weed? Yeah.

And it's just you and the drug dealer? No, it's sometimes me by myself. I like doing stuff by myself. I don't like having co-defendants. But sometimes it's me and somebody else. And then how do you rob them? Do you take a gun and night? Yeah, I just pull a gun out on them.

And you had a gun at that age? Yeah, I always had guns. How do you get the guns? How do you get access to that? Well, it's easy where I'm from, I guess. It was just normal to have that. Yeah, I always had guns. Even when I was younger, I was always robbing people with guns.

It's just easier. So you end up going to jail for these drug robberies? Well, I ended up going to jail for a drug robbery back in New York. In Florida, I got arrested with a loaded gun and weed. As a felon. As a felon. the gun was a misdemeanor in Florida as a felon. Only a misdemeanor.

Yes. And the weed was the A1 felony. Okay. And then what, they send you to New York? No, my sister bailed me out. And as soon as she bailed me out, I was scared that I'm a fucking convicted felon. And I just got caught with a gun that I bought for $50. That somebody might have killed somebody with that gun.

So I automatically went back to New York on the run from Florida. I didn't know that gun was a misdemeanor. Like, who, I never even crossed my mind that it could have been a misdemeanor for a gun, right? Like, I'm a convicted felony. You're not supposed to have a gun anyway. Yeah, you figure that's a felony. So I went back to New York and I was robbing more drug dealers in New York. And eventually I got caught.

Caught by who, the local police? Yeah. How did they catch you? Well, the drug dealer told him, man. The drug dealer who was committing crime says that another person robbed him. Yeah, well, I like, yeah, I tied him. up in his house. You tied up this drug dealer. Yeah, but this is, this is like, he was a cocaine drug dealer, but I tied him up and- By yourself. No, it was like me and two people. You tied up this guy and he

snitches on you guys? Yeah, he snitches on me. He didn't. He knew who you were. Yeah, because I'm the one that, like, I'm the one that, like, I'm the one that, like, I could talk to people and they thought I was, like, nice and I tell I put a lot of gun on you, because nobody expects that from a person like me like yeah yeah you seem like a nice guy no that's what i'm saying like and i always got money and i always look like i got money and i'm driving in new cars so it's like nobody expects that and it was so much easier for me like that so what does he do he just calls the cops yeah he told the cops that i stole cocaine from him this is it wasn't even weed no more i stole like eight keys of cocaine from him does he get in trouble at all i i have no idea honestly like i i just know i got caught so the

cops show up at your house after? Well, I didn't know where I live. I was living in like hotels and stuff like that. So how do you get caught like after I got caught in a hotel? Like the cops knew who I was. They came in my father's house. Like this guy was like, he had a lot of money. So he, he asked people and somebody told him my real name.

And then he went to the cops with that information. Like I don't even know if he went to the cops or not. Somebody went to the cops. He might have paid somebody to go to the cops for him. And I got caught maybe like six months down the line in the hotel room. SWAT team came to get me. And when you get caught, you go to Bookings and you go to Rikers Island. So you're back at Rikers.

Yeah, but I didn't have bail at this time because I still got a felony from Florida. So I go to Grand Jury. When you get arrested, you go to Grand Jury within seven days. When I go in front of Grand Jury, they offer me two to four years and I take it. that wasn't a bad deal for giving you record. But I had a girlfriend at the time. She paid for my lawyer. I had the best lawyer in Brooklyn.

His name was like John Stella. But when I go to a grand jury, they offer me two to four years. He's like, you're not going to take this, right? I mean, he didn't even think in his right mind that anybody would take prison time within seven days of being locked up. Usually you stay there for months, fighting the case.

He's like, they can't have evidence on you. But the thing was, I see myself on video. That's another thing. When I robbed this drug dealer, I was on video in this hallway with a gun. And I had my Brooklyn tattoo showing. And I used to be on New York One News. So I used to watch that video all the time on YouTube. So I knew I was going to go to prison sooner later.

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And they wanted to, like, you got code these, who are they? I'm like, listen, I didn't even do the crime. I'm just taking the time because it looked like me. So when I get sentenced, I get sentenced to three to six years instead of two or four. What's your feeling when that happens? I didn't even know that was legal, like, but it wasn't legal, right? Like, I ended up three years down the line. I ended up coming back down the court and taking it, taking it out and getting my two to four back.

Getting the two to four back. Out of that two to four, how much time do you serve? Oh, I did the whole four. You did the whole, because you kept getting into trouble. Well, the thing was, they released me. Well, what happened was, my mother told you, I went to the box when I, the first bid. And then I went to the next jail. The next jail was a maximum security prison.

and in the next jail, the same land king kid that I cut, he was also there, already there. So when I got there, somebody told me that he was going to try to cut me because I cut him. What he wasn't going to do, he's going to send somebody else to do it. So as soon as I go to the yard, I cut the same kid again with a can't happen.

I didn't get caught this time. I didn't get caught. So after I did that, I got approached by the bloods. And I ended up joining the bloods at this time. What did the blood say to you to recruit you in prison? Well, they're the ones that told me, like, the kid that you cut is here. I didn't know he was there.

Like, I had no idea. So one of them I knew from my adolescent time in Rikers Island. So he came up to me, goes, listen, he's going to try to cut you in here. So you got to, like, get him first. So I instantly went to the yard and I seen him first, and I ended up cutting him instantly. So then it came up to me and they're like, they just break like I already knew what the blood was

like all my friends was blood at this time what does it mean to be a blood what is that I mean you're just part of a gang it's nothing special do they give you like rules or anything like that yeah you know you get your oath you give you rules to follow

what's the oath and what are the rules I mean just stuff that you live by the rules are like basically you can't do drugs you can't you can't snitch you can't like mess with like homosexual people and stuff like that. And this is applied in prison. You can't do any of that.

Yeah. I mean, people don't do that anyway, but... What happens if you violate one of those rules? You get cut. They'll just cut you? Did you see that happen a lot in prison? Yeah. I mean, you go to prison as like 90% of people

walking around with scars in their face in New York State. Like, a lot of people don't stab people in New York State. Like, in the feds you hear stories about people getting stabbed and dying. That's really rare in New York State. Everybody just plays very. razor tag instead. Razor tag? What's razor tag?

Well, they cut you and then you got to try to cut them back. This is what you guys are doing on an everyday basis. Yeah. Who are the bloods beefing with in prison? Like, who do you have to watch out for? Other bloods. So the bloods are against each other? It's different sets and different nations of the bloods.

The blood started because they was getting oppressed by Spanish people in New York State. There was getting oppressed by the net as in the land kings. But by the time I turned blood, there was really no, the Spanish gangis don't hold no weight in New York State. Like, they act like they do, but they don't. Nobody cares about them. So the blood's got so big that they got nobody else to beef with it. So they beef with themselves. What's the most violent thing you encountered in prison that happened to you directly?

I mean, I got people try to, like, stab me and cut me before, but it never really went their way. And what do you do in those situations? Are you, like, are you provoking it? Or you're just walking down the hall and you get attacked? Yeah, but, like, you know when stuff is happening. You know who's in the jail. And so I always protect myself. And I was always luckier because, like, I was under the person who basically ran,

he still runs the whole bloods in New York State to this day. He's never coming home. And I was always under him. So, like, when I first turned blood, like, the couple of jails I went to, people always like, oh, we don't know who you are. So they send me, like, to go cut people. And then once you do that enough, everybody knows who you are. So when you get to a jail, it's like, you're good.

Like, nobody messes with you and stuff like that. No, can anyone be a blood? Like, can I go and join the bloods? No. How does that work? I mean, you really get approached by it, right? Like, it's not. If you're asking to join a game, like, they're.

not going to let you join a gang. You got to, like, be approached by them or know somebody. Now, do they check paperwork in prison at all, like to make sure you're not a rat or sex offender? The bloods do. Yeah, I mean, a lot of people do, like, like I got to a jail one time, and my bunkie was a white dude,

and I went to the yard, and there was, like, white people, and they sent me a message, like, hey, bring your paperwork to the yard, and you can come hang out with us. We're about to have war soon. We want you on our side. Like, they didn't even know I was blood at this time. Like, there's some white dudes.

And you don't really see them a lot. Like, upstate New York is racist. But when I'm from the city, there's really no racist people. Like, but upstate New York, there's a whole bunch of racist people. So they want to see your paperwork. And then they just, you join like the Aryan nation, whatever they are up here. So, but when that happened to me, I ended up cutting the head of the Aryan nation. For what?

Because he told me, like, we're going to go to war with the Spanish people. We're going to go to war with the Spanish and the black people and who side are you on? If you're not with us, you're against this. And I'm like, in my head, I'm like, who the fuck is you? Like, I don't even know who you are. Like, he didn't know I was a blood. He didn't do no research on me or nothing. And that's just because you're white.

Yeah, because my bunkie was white and I ended up beating on my bunky. Like, when you get to a jail, you're locked in there for seven days. You can't come out. He's like quarantine or they, like, go to medical and stuff. But I was in there with some white dude, and he kept chewing tobacco and spitting in the thing. And that shit makes me nauseous. Like, and that shit's so disgusting to me. Like, so I asked him, like, yo, bro, don't do that in here.

Like, and he ended up doing a couple times. So I ended up being him up. So by the time I came out, the white dudes was already, like, looking for me for me to try to join it because they outnumbered. Yeah. So when that happened, like I ended up cutting the head of the Aryanation and in the jail I was in. And after that, like, I have beef with the white people. You're beefing with everyone. Yeah, I mean, but the beep is like nobody touches, like, I never, I don't got no scars in my face.

Like, nobody ever really did nothing to me. Like, I got, I got jumped before. What are you guys using to make knives? Well, everybody got real blades, like, from the street. Because you get visits. So when you go down in a visit, people get drugs. They get razor blades. And it's easy for visitors to smuggle them in for you guys?

Yeah. There's no like metal detectors or anything? Yeah, but like if you get a number 11 blade, it doesn't ring. Really? Yeah. What's a number 11 blade? What does that mean? Well, it's scapals.

If you look online, like, if you Google like a number 11 scapple, it's like, for some reason that doesn't really ring. And that's what you guys are using to stab people. Yeah. But they had like, we had like hundreds of. them. Wow. Now, is there a lot of contraband in these prisons, like drugs, anything like that? Yeah, there's always drugs. There's no cell phones. I never seen a cell phone my whole time. I'm upset. But these are stuff you could bring from the streets, right? And I mean, one jail I was in, I seen real liquor bottles, and that's really rare. What kind of drugs are coming in? Everything. From Suboxin. And you weren't doing it, though? No, I never did drugs. I never was into drugs, like, and especially being a blood.

Like, that's one of the rules anyway. But you can't do drugs as a blood. Yeah, well, weed doesn't really count, but, like, no coke or dope. Why did they have that rule? Because the Spanish people used to do drugs, and, like, they lost the, they lost their wars because they're high 90% of the time on Suboxins and heroin. Like, you can't be in a gang and you can't be on point. if you're like doing these kind of drugs that slow you down that's interesting that you know gang members have this rule about no drugs

I mean don't get me wrong there's people a lot of people do drugs even gang members they just don't get caught now what when was the next time you went to the shoe or the box and what was it for well I went to the shoe like over 20 times and it's just for fighting basically fighting contraband well one time I I broke a police jaw. Why do you attack a police officer? Nah, he hung up my phone call. I hit him with the phone. I didn't even punch him. But they basically kicked like seven teeth out. So what happened? Like you're on the phone and he hangs it up? Yeah, he hangs it up. He didn't even tell me nothing. He hung it up. So I automatically just hit him with the phone. And what do they do right then and there? Well, they kind of grabbed me and then I

passed out because they're like, had my arm behind my back. And I passed. And I passed. out but I woke up in the cell with like all my teeth missing basically. They beat you up that bad. Yeah. So how did you get new teeth that did they like provide that for you? Yeah, they gave me implants. Like right now I have like cancer because of that. It's almost finished though.

But they gave me implants and I didn't catch a new charge for breaking his jaw because what they did to me. So I signed a piece of paper that's they're not going to press charges and I'm not going to press charges. But they gave me implants. And then in 2020, I, I found out, like one of the implants fell out and I went to the doctor and the way they did the implants, they did it on purpose that they left an infection there. So now I have like a lawsuit

against them. But it's called, it's like self-inflicted cancer when you have like mouth cancer. So they had an infection there. And then years later that it turns into like cancer. And you got the implants done while you're in prison? Yeah. I mean, they have to do it. Do they bring you to an outside facility? No, they did it inside the facility. They did it inside. The same people that broke my teeth, fixed my teeth, so that's why it was like... That's wild.

Yeah. Now, is your dad and stepmom coming to visit you? My dad was. And how did, like, what did he think? How was your relationship with him? Well, my dad told me, like, he feels safer when I'm in prison than when I'm in the street. So he felt like you needed to be there? It's not even that.

When I'm in the streets, like, he was just thinking I'm going to get killed one day for the shit I was doing. Like, he knew I was always playing with guns and stuff like that. In prison, like, I always knew how to fight. So it's like, he's like, there's nothing much that could really happen to him in prison. And your dad's just like a hard working class individual that never involved in crime, nothing like that? No.

So was he, like, disappointed in you? How was he feeling? I guess he was in the beginning, but it's like, he got so used to me. Like I said, I went to prison or jail when I was like 11 and 12. So it was like, he just got used to it, I guess, by the time. And you did the whole four years because you kept getting into trouble? I got, well, when I got, you got to do programs to get released early on good time. I never did a program.

I never even had a, I can't have a job in prison. Like, I never, they don't even offer me a job. Why didn't they offer you a job? Because I'm like a gang member. Like, I'm a known gang member in prison, so. So what did you do for money? Did you have, like, a hustle? No, I mean, I always had money.

I had like girlfriends and my daddy used to send me money. So you can't spend a lot in prison. You could only spend $55 every two weeks unless you're buying cigarettes. What would you get when you got that money? I mean, I always had food. I had everything in prison as well. Like I came out of prison with like $8,000. $8,000?

From what? What did you make money off of? I wasn't making money in there. I was just everybody was sending me money. And then when you go to the box, you can't spend money. So it was like, I'm saving. everything. Yeah, you can only buy like certain things like a bar soap or something. I used to get pills. I used to get Kalanapins. What is that? It's like a Xanax. So nobody in the prison system

gets that. When I went to Rikers Island one time, somebody told me this trick. So when I went to Rikers Island, I told them I get seizures. And then I told them I'm allergic to every single seizure medication like Dallan and Kepra. So that's the only other choice to have is to give you this number A1 narcotics. but I never took it and I used to get it three times a day like that's not even unheard of in the street like there's not even people that get this in the street

but I used to get it in prison all the time and I never took it so I used to save it and sell it and I used to get like $40 a day just for those pills really? They didn't make sure that you took it during pill line because in the feds they would sit there with the flash late and make sure you actually swallowed it. I mean there were certain jails I used to go to that well it's easy to cheat you like if you know what you're doing

like I just put it in my lip or like and you probably got meds or painkillers for the teeth replacement too right? They didn't give me shit like when I was there I was like the worst time I ever had in jail like I couldn't eat I couldn't do nothing like it was it was bad

I didn't even get medical attention for like 40 days like I was in there fucking hurting and I didn't I thought I was going to die in those cells medical attention prison sucks it's the worst yeah but the medical like it's racist up there. They don't like black people. Like, if you pass Rikers Island, they don't like

black people because it's racist. They hated me more than they hate black people because I'm a blood. So like they looked at me like I'm a traitor to white people. So they all hated me, period. So like the nurses, just COs, everybody. So is there normally not white people in the bloods? No. Why is that? Because like, it's a black game. They started to protect against the land king, so it's not. And it's interesting that they let a white guy into it then. I mean, there was other, there is other white people in it, but it's rare. But I'm not from upstate.

I'm from Brooklyn, so it's like, all my friends are black and Spanish, period. So it's like. Now, are you able to leave the bloods at any time? Or are you committed to it? Like, how does that work? Can you say I'm done with this one day? Yeah, I mean, you could, it depends who you know. like it depends like if you hold position or like it comes down in certain things but i told you i was

under the person that runs the whole new york state for this set so i could do whatever i want it basically like nobody can really tell me shit and you don't run with them or have any gang affiliation no i still talk to them like i still talk to all my the same people i always talks to from prison but like i've been i'm too old like that once you get 30 and you're trying to gang bang it's like It's not a good combination. Yeah, it's like for young people. Like, there's none. How old were you when you got out of prison?

28. Was that the last time you went to prison? 2017. So why did you decide not to do any more crime or go back to prison again after that? What changed? What changed in your mindset? To be honest, like, when I got released from prison, I had two to four. So I got released in three years.

I had a year left. When I got out of prison, I didn't report to parole. I went straight on the run. Again. I came out of Sing Sing Sing Correctional Facility. I never reported to parole. So I knew I was going to go back to prison. So it was because when you're on gang parole, that shit is just terrible.

Yeah, what does it like to be on gang parole? Well, I never was because I never reported. So, like, they take pictures of you and you can't wear certain colors. is like just rules and stipulations are crazy. If the police stop you in the street, they automatically are going to know that your blood and they got your picture. Like, it just leads to more harassment.

I never reported, so since I never reported, they never had a file on me. And did you end up getting caught? I ended up turning myself in. And you got more prison done. Yeah, I got, no, you don't get more. You just finish your sentence, right? I had a year left.

They put me in a detention center where I could have got released in 30 days or 90 days and then I ended up cutting somebody in there and doing my whole year in the box. Your whole life has just been like cutting and prison and you missed like your whole 20s for this. Yeah, basically. Do you have like regrets about it?

Do you think about it? I don't really have regrets because it's like it made me the person I am today. Like I was always smart. I was always the smartest person in the room. So like even when I was in prison, Like, I told you all the cutting and stuff, like, that I might have cut like five people max when I was in prison. So it's not like that was going on a lot.

It's just a lot of politics. And I'm always smarter than people. That's why I don't have a scar on my face. That's why I never been stabbed. I just see stuff before it happens. You just went with it because that was the position you were in. Yeah, well, when you get to prison too, like, there's five phones, three of them are blood phones. one is like a Muslim phone and the other phone is like there's no like regular people don't even like live really good in jail.

Yeah. There's exceptions to every rule, but most of the time it's all gang-related phones and stuff like that. Yeah. So I always wanted to be a blood because I'm like, I don't want to be in the lower end. I might as well join them so I could reap the benefits of jail. Like that they was running every single jail, every single spot. You felt like you had to. I didn't have to.

Like I said, I never approached nobody to be blood. They approached me. But like once they approached you, you felt like it was- Yeah, I wanted, I've been wanting to be a blood like a year before they approached me. Like, because I already seen how it was going down. Yeah. So what was life like for you after you get out of jail that last time? What do you get into?

Are you working or how are you staying out of trouble? Well, to be honest, I went back to like doing the same kind of dumb shit. I had money, though. Like, I always had money and I always came across money. But luckily, I didn't have to rob anybody or do any of that stuff. So I, I don't know, stuff just happened to me where I got a whole bunch of money. You weren't afraid of going back to jail again? No.

I mean, to be honest, like, I never was, I didn't care about going back to jail. Like, it wasn't like, I never felt like it's too much of a bad thing. And this was in your late 20s. Yeah. So what made you change that whole mindset? Because you're not still doing that now, so what changed? Well, to be honest, like once I found out I had the cancer in 2020, and then I got my dog.

Yeah, we have a dog in the studio right now. She changed everything. Like, I felt like I had a kid and I never want to go back to prison. I never did a crime. So your dog changed your life. Yeah, that's basically. What's your dog's name? What type of dog?

She's in the Keita. Her name is Keita Bear. Kita Bear. And she's just the best dog in the world. And so the dog inspired you to change your life and not go back to jail? Did you feel like that gave you like a reason to live for your first time ever? Like to be honest, all right, let me back a little bit. The reason I didn't want to go back to jail was because my father died in 2018.

Okay. So that was like a trigger. Yeah. Like when I was in prison, I was always good because my father used to send me money. He used to come visit me. So like once he died, I told myself I can't go back to prison like that. It wouldn't even be right. How did that make you feel when he died?

I mean, I was sad, but like, he's been hurt. Look how smart she is. Like, we talk about her and she's already on the move. But it's just, when he died, like, I knew he was going to die. He'd been fighting hard problems this whole life. All right. Oh, I got a friend on the show today. It was so nice.

She's so soft. So, so. between your father's death and getting on Kida Bear that helped you. Yeah. I mean, to be like, I had a girlfriend, right? Right before I had the dog, I had a girlfriend. And I always wanted kids. And she used to ask me, like, if we have kids, would you stop smoking weed and cigarettes?

I used to smoke cigarettes. And I used to be like, I'll stop cigarettes, but I won't start weed, even for a kid. When I got my dog, I instantly, within like two weeks, I never smoked a cigarette ever again. So you grew up? Yeah, it's like she made me want to change, like, everything. What do you think that was? I don't know. And it's also I found out what an impact is.

I never knew, like, what an empath person is. Did you feel like you felt like love for the first time, maybe? What do you think? It wasn't love. It's just, I don't know. It's just like I felt like I had a responsibility, right? Like, and I, she was like my first really responsibility that. And you just gave up crime, everything at that point?

Every single thing. I never did a crime after that. Wow, that's crazy. I mean, that's life-changing. Do you think about that now, like, why that was and then what happened? I mean, I do. I mean, I really wasn't doing crime before I had it, right? Like, I was just living day-to-day. I wasn't working, so I was trying to figure out what I wanted to do in my life. I wanted to stream, so, like, before I got it, I was trying to stream and stuff, but that shit is hard to get into. and but then once I got hers just it brought you new blessings new opportunity and new mindset yeah just I had a responsibility like when I wake up I got to cook for her like I don't even feed a dog food I cook for her every single day that's so awesome you found like a companion yeah I mean like I had girlfriends I always had a girlfriend right so it was like and like I figured out what the

impact was like I fell in love with every single girl I ever had like I used to love every girl that I had but as I was always an empath I always could help people I always wanted to help people yeah but I never knew what that was and then one day I read like a post on Instagram is like Tyrese put something and he put he's an empath and then when I googled it like that my whole life made sense after that so what did you end up getting into for work after this happened when your life changed well in 2020 during COVID I turned I got unemployment I got stimulus check and I started investing it. I invested into crypto and stocks.

That's when AMC and GameStop was going crazy. I remember that it was a taste. I turned 1,200 into 47,000 with GameStop. Wow. And then I was getting unemployment. So I was just getting so much money and I invested everything in crypto. And got lucky in crypto. Yeah, well, I got lucky with a couple of coins.

Like I invested in 100 coins and only three. Like it made me a millionaire at one point with crypto. Right. But then it came down. Yeah, everything came down. Like, I sold like 100K and then now I got like under 100K. Yeah. And what do you do for work now?

Well, I still invest in crypto. I still hold everything. I don't really sell anything. A whole bunch of my crypto is locked. But I stream and I'm a gambling streamer. And that brings in revenue? Is that like a full-time job? It doesn't really bring too much revenue right now, but maybe eventually it will.

But I just try to. to make content and stream and do stuff like that. But that at least supports you to live for the most part. I mean, I have money to live regardless. But it just gives me something to do where I don't got to do any crime or do it. Like, I don't really talk to a lot of people in the street. I don't have a smartphone. You don't have a smartphone?

No. What, do you have a flip phone? I have a flip phone. Really? But it's on purpose, right? Because I don't like social media no more. But you use social media for your business. Yeah, I use Twitter now, but look, I use this.

Wow, I remember those days. But it just, I used to be on Instagram, taking pictures and videos every single day or what I used to do and stuff like that. You realize it's not, that's not good more to life. I don't even want people to know, like, all my friends and stuff. Like, I don't even care what they're doing no more. Like, they're not even, they're all criminals. Like, 90% of my friends in the street are all criminals or in a gang and stuff like that.

And you outgrew that. Yeah, it's just. I don't really care what they're doing anymore, and I don't even want to show off what I'm doing because it doesn't even make sense. Interesting. I mean, you grew so much in a short period of time. Yeah.

And you attribute that all to your father passing and getting your dog? Yeah. I mean, everything now is like because of my dog, but I kind of stopped doing crime or not do too much crime after my father passed. Do you wish you came to that mindset while he was still alive so he could see it?

yeah but i feel like he needed a pass for me to do that yeah like i told you he used to tell me he feel safer if i'm in jail than in the streets it was like i never like it wasn't too much of a big deal for me to go to prison like i always had money i always live good like of course i don't have my freedom and i don't like it but it wasn't a worst thing so what's your message like why come out here why drive all the way out here to share your story which is that you I'm sure something you've never really done before. What do you want people to take away after listening to hearing everything you've gone through what you've got involved with?

Well, I just want, well, I don't want people to go down the same path that I went down to and go through everything that I went through for them to get to this point. I just, I don't know, I just wish people could change their life because I see so much young people and everybody going to prison and getting with gangs and stuff like that. and all that shit is bullshit and you're just going to end up doing the rest of your life in prison. Yeah, what do you say to the kid that

thinks it's cool to be a gangbanger? It's not. Like, 90% of the, 99% of people are, like, using you if you're in a gang, right? It's like, they all either want money. They want something from you. They either want money. They want you to waste your life.

Like, people don't do nothing, right? Like, if you were ahead of the gang, you don't really got to do nothing anymore. You can just tell a whole bunch of other people to do stuff for you. No. So you're just like wasting your life for no reason. Because everybody in a gang already knows,

like, like, gangs switch so much when it comes to the bloods and stuff like that there's like 100 sets. And like next year it's going to be 100 new sets and then 50 of the old sets are going to get gone. So it's like they just, it's just a waste of your time and the waste of your life. Yeah.

definitely and i never really talked about prison so much because like i don't like glorifying it and and i feel like if you're not doing nothing with your life now like nobody's going to listen to you like nobody really cares about your past stories right because that's just stories but they they can inspire people our stories are powerful you know like you don't know how many lives you can impact just by hearing yours you know but i feel like you got to be doing something now like you just can't live off your past right like you can't live off your past stories it's like I feel like that you're not really going to, you're not going to touch the youth.

You might inspire older people or like people that have been through similar stuff but like the youth doesn't listen to nobody that's... They want to see the result. Yeah, like right now if you don't have a gold chain on and it's like they're not even going to listen to you, right? Like if you don't have, if you can't show them $10,000, the youth has more money than the old people.

So like they only care about money and stuff like that. Like they wouldn't even be watching the show if I didn't have a following. Like if I had 10, 10 people following me and listen to your store, the youth aren't going to pay attention to that. They want what's in, what's hot, you know, the glamorous stuff. It's hard to touch the youth. Like a lot of people like on YouTube and like,

and I feel like a lot of people on YouTube, they talk about their own stories so much that is like, there's only a certain amount of things you could say, right? Like sooner or later you're going to start making stuff up or you're going to start telling other people's stories and you're just going to run out of content. Like, I don't watch, like, to be honest, I've seen every last interview that you did now,

but before that, I had no idea who you were. I don't have no idea who none of these people on your show was. You just saw it on YouTube? I seen it on, somebody sent me something. It was about the guy that he was talking about he got raped in prison. Yeah. So when I seen that, I'm like, is that real? And when I looked it up and I've seen your show,

and then I seen the JD interview. And there's like something about the JD interview like wanted me to do an interview as well after that because I don't know, I don't remember the details no more because I watched so much of you. I watched every last interview that you did at this point. So it was like I don't remember. Well, I'm glad you like watching it, man.

And I'm glad it touched you. No, it's definitely cool. It's just I don't really watch too much prison stuff because I live through it. Like, I don't really care. Like, it's hard sometimes to talk about it too. It's not even hard. It's just like, most of the stories that people say is like stuff that I've really seen before.

It's not nothing new one and entertaining too much. But like the way you do interviews is different because you're like interviewing people. You don't talk about like you already told your story, right? Like you don't really sit here and tell your story because you already told it. There's only a certain amount of things you can say about your story. Yeah. So what you do is a little bit different than what everybody else does. Well, and my purpose is.

so much bigger now than my story. It's not about me. No, that's what I'm saying. That's what I like about your show per se. Like, I don't really watch other people. Yeah, other prison content creators, I know it's very based on their stories. Yeah, and they do that for years, though. Like, I know people like bludged that have been doing it for years and they just start making stuff off, like, within like a year because they're running. You know, bird down, yeah. You've got no more stories left. No, you have to be able to pivot in anything. It's not even just prison content, you know, it's anything. But I'm grateful that I've been able to find.

something that I'm good at and that it's special and it's unique and we're going with it and everyone has a different story like everyone all these individuals go to prison but each person has a different experience no of course so it's interesting but stan thanks for coming out today it's been a great conversation um we wish you the best and you know looking forward to staying in contact and and keep enjoying watching the show man thank you i appreciate you having me of course