Locked In with Ian Bick - Locked Up Young: Street Fights, Juvenile Detention & Family Struggles | K

Episode Date: February 6, 2025

K – Locked up young after street fights and family struggles, shares what life was like inside juvenile detention and the challenges faced after release. From growing up in the system to finding a second chance, K talks about the realities of juvenile justice, survival behind bars, and life after incarceration. #JuvenileDetention #StreetFights #LockedUpYoung #SecondChances #SurvivalStory #TrueCrime #LifeBehindBars #Redemption Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Connect with K: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@kikbacwitk TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@kikbacwitk Presented by Tyson 2.0 & Wooooo Energy: https://tyson20.com/ https://woooooenergy.com/ Buy Merch: https://www.ianbick.com/shop Use code lockedin at checkout to get 20% off your order Timestamps: 00:00:00 Introduction: Welcome to Locked In with the Danbury Native 00:04:18 The Viral Phenomenon: The Changing Meaning of "Viral" Today 00:08:42 Childhood Rivalries and Education Challenges 00:13:23 Experiencing a Father's Dedication 00:17:31 The Importance of Social Connections 00:21:50 Childhood Struggles with Attendance 00:26:47 Caught in a Police Chase: A Thrilling Escape Turns Serious 00:31:12 Juvenile Detention Experience in Bridport 00:35:37 Refusing the Plea: Navigating the Legal System 00:40:21 Embarrassing Arrest and First Encounter with Legal Trouble 00:44:50 Stanford Academy and Its Challenges 00:49:28 Coping with a Sibling's Incarceration 00:54:17 Coping with a Brother's Incarceration 00:58:52 Breaking the Cycle of Recidivism 01:03:16 Impact of Childhood on Modern Parenting 01:08:10 Supporting a Loved One Returning from Prison 01:13:01 Shoutouts and Community Engagement Powered by: Just Media House : https://www.justmediahouse.com/ Creative direction, design, assets, support by FWRD: https://www.fwrd.co Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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or select retailers nationwide. Visit avocado mattress.com. That's avocado mattress.com. Okay, welcome to Lockton, a Danbury native right here. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Appreciate you for having me. Yeah, I appreciate you.

You had me on your show. A long time ago. It's a lot different since then, my boy. I want you to plug it in at the top of this episode. What you do? Kickback with K. Kickback with K. If you like to laugh, it's not a podcast like this,

but if you like the laugh, it's humor-based. Want to see some characters? Come kick back with your boy. Kay. Yeah, you have a really cool style. Like, I was surprised when I came on your show because it's just like the quick-fire questions. Yep, yep, yep, yeah.

But that's what works? Because it's like the short episodes. Like you have one that did like, what, a million views or almost? Oh, yeah, close, close, close. A whole bunch of clips, million plus and all that stuff. You know how it is. It's content. But you're consistent and you're growing up.

You have to be consistent. You know that. You know that. I think it's so cool you're shooting at poppies too because that's like a legendary liquor story, Danbury. I was happy when he reached out. I was like, hey, let's do it. He's somebody that's in the community.

Especially if you're Spanish. If you're Hispanic, they love them and they treat me. Thank you. I appreciate y'all. That's awesome. So did you grow up in Danbury your whole life? I did not. I grew up in Stanford.

That's where this story is going to start, Stanford, Connecticut. it. And when I say that, like, when you think of Stanford, what do you think of? Now, rich area, yeah, like a mini New York City kind of. Right. So, like, my life and my perspective of it was way different, right? Like, where I lived in Stanford, it wasn't that. It wasn't, like, rich, all this. And I know, it's not Compton or something like that. So anybody wants to be like, yo, chill out, bro, Stanford. I know. But, like, I used to, like, so I played sports in high school and basketball, football. And any time when we traveled, the kids will always say, oh, I thought it was going to be a whole bunch of white kids,

but it wasn't. It was a whole bunch of us. Just, you know what I mean? And it was so weird that the perception of Stanford, well, Stanford is a rich place. Especially if you go now, they did a great job, like, gentrifying the place. So it looks way different than what it did when, like, I was growing up. But yeah, so I grew up at Stanford. But now I have to say I'm from Danbury. I've been living here for 12 years now. So when anybody asks me, I'm from Danbury. It feels wrong to not say that. Why do you move to Danbury? Why? So I went to college out here at Westcom. And then I just stayed out here. I liked it out here.

It was like a different pace. As you said, Stanford's kind of like a mini New York. So it was like slower, not as loud, and to get away from trouble. So 12 years ago coming to Danbury, do you ever go to Tuxedo's at all? Of course, I went to Tuxedo. So like right before you took over, it was like these other, it was like these college guys. Fresh Mango production. Yes, fresh mango.

Me and my brother, we used to like do music, so we performed there. we opened up for Webby and it was crazy because like we went to college there so it was like college night thirsty Thursdays is what they call it and I remember like the reception we got was like much more than what webby got and it was weird because he was he's like established name you know what I mean it was good times good times yeah don't you have like a twin brother or you I do I do yeah yeah yeah and you guys were like a do I remember we we went to you so I was like oh this kid yeah oh they're like all right let me let me talk to him yeah well do you mind if I know this is be my story.

But, because I were so super weird. Yeah, it's your episode. My, uh, I remember when I first heard or seen, heard scene of your story. And it was so weird. Like I had three initial thoughts, right? Like the first one was, how the hell did a kid get away with this? The second one was, damn, these guys are suckers. A kid got away with this.

And then the third one was, I wonder if I would have got away with this. I know you didn't get away with it, but you mean just even end up in that situation. It's crazy. It is. Like the acts we were booking. It's just like it feels like a lifetime ago. I mean, we had 21 Savage literally 10 minutes away from here in Danbury. Like it's such a random town.

It is too. A lot of people, you know, when I ask like guests that I have, if they've ever, nobody's ever been in Danbury. But if they did, Primark. They came for Primark. Oh, yeah, at the mall. At the mall. Is that still open? I haven't been in a mall so long.

So I think it is, though. It's so different now. Yeah. It seems to be our staple. So I think it's. And the trashers. Everyone knows the trashers. No disrespect.

Yeah, I ain't meaning like that. But if you're not from here, some people, like they don't even, I know with the whole Drake wearing the jersey thing. But some, like you said, random town. And we went viral last year for the fountain at the mall. Did we? Yeah, like everyone kept running through like the fountain. I didn't even know that. They shut down the fountain at the mall because these kids kept running through and making

TikToks. Really? Yeah. I didn't even know. It's even weird with that word viral. What does viral mean today is such like,

it's different than what it meant a couple years ago. A couple years ago viral, like everybody saw it. Now you can have three million views on Instagram but not TikTok, you know what I mean? So like I don't even know

what viral means today. I think a million are over. I would count as viral. I got so many clips that did like three million, four million, 12 million on TikTok, YouTube,

but like still it don't feel like everybody saw it. You know what I mean? But anyway. Everyone saw Lee, though. That guy is viral. Shout to my boy.

That's not my boy, but yeah, shout to you. So Stanford back then when you were growing up, is that like a Bridgeport, Waterbury now, or? I would say so. I know people from those places probably be like, no, but yeah, I would say so, at least to me, like it was, yeah, I mean, anywhere you go, you can find trouble, right? Like, there's always the bad spots anywhere you go, even if you go. go to Greenwich. I'm sure they have spots where it's bad. New Canada. I mean, the trouble probably

looks different, I'm sure, but like, yeah, anywhere you go, there's trouble. So I would say it, because to me, like, where I live, yeah, it looked like minus the abandoned buildings in Bridgeport. Yes, it reminded me of a Bridgeport, a Waterbury, a new haven, right? Yeah. Who do you guys grow up with? What was it? Do you have siblings? Yeah, so it's me, my brother that I share facial. I got another brother. So me, two brothers, a stepbrother, and a sister, a step-sister. So it was four of us.

Is that four? My math-matha? Yeah, I think that was four. Yeah. And then my dad and my step-mom. Okay. Were you guys close growing up? Oh, yeah.

So me and my, I'll say me and my two brothers, my twin brother and my older brother, yes, really close. Went everywhere. We went everywhere together. And that's, I mean, they're going to be a part of this. story as I tell it it will be part of the story yo yeah uh yeah did you guys have money did we have money yeah how do you guys grow up no it said no i believe we was we was living it was it was it was housing or section a but i don't really know the difference between the both i know they're

different but so no we didn't have money and again see that was my the perception of what stanford was it wasn't to me because people think stanford you think of money and all that stuff but your boys was broke how would uh people to describe you back then. So if you, even to this day, and it's something that I'm just starting to like, and if you ask anybody about, my name is Kay, my brother name is Kai, it's my twin brother. Kay and Kai, the first thing they're going to say, badass twins. I had somebody on my show, maybe a year and some change ago. And like, it's somebody that I remember from a camp that I used to go to. I don't think you remember me because I look a lot different than I did back then, right? So I'm like,

I say his name, yo, Angelo, you, you, you remember. You remember camp? He's like, yeah. I was like, what do you remember about that camp? He was like, uh, it was these badass twins there. I was like, damn. Everybody remembers me like that. Well, and when they see me today, they're always like,

damn, you mad different from back then. It's crazy. So, yeah, I would say that. I'm trying to scrub that. Not that I'm ashamed of that or nothing, but I'm trying to scrub that away. I'm a grown man now, right? Were you and your brother alike?

were like close shared similar traits personality? Yeah, we did and we were, but there's, I think, any twins out there, like you always want to, you want to be different. You don't want to be this because you grow up, it's not your choice to be dressed in a light, right?

Your parents doing that silly stuff, dressing you up. So you kind of always are trying to find your own identity, but you're always being compared to each other. So like it did, there was times where we weren't, like I moved out of my house and my friend's house

because I didn't want to be, next to my brother anymore because you don't want to be the fat twin you don't want to be the skinny twin the twin that sucks at sports who's better who's a this is non-stop comparison thing so we were close we were really tight and those times where we hated each other you know what I mean or at least for me I can't speak for him I hated him to the point where I moved up out of there so yeah and what about schooling did you guys go to public middle school high school we did we went to all the public schools I got so I got my twin brother ended up getting kicked out too so I got kicked out of two elementary schools I was homeschooled, or not homeschooled, like a tutor came to that.

Well, I guess that's that homeschool? Yeah, I would say that's a homeschool. Tudor came to that. And I don't even know how, dude, do the state pay for that? Like, does that government funded? Like, because. Or not. So I had a tutor.

And it was, I think about it, and I feel bad. The tutor would come to my house and I treated him like garbage. Like, I'm, I kicked him out multiple times. Like, yo, get the F off my house. What do you do? I'm not learning to you. He would bring a laptop, hold the laptop, throw the laptop. I think about it now, like, yo,

That costs money. That's messed up. What was I doing? I'm sorry. I don't remember his name, but I'm sorry. It's like, hey, you should do. You was trying your best, man. Damn it.

Why did you get kicked out at elementary school? Fighting. So the first time, it's going to sound crazy because you're like a kid, how? I beat up the principal. Like I, so it was a, damn, it sucks to say. It was a female. I had, and even to this day, well, not to this day so much, but authority issues.

Like just, I didn't like when people told me what to do. And so I was being the bad kid that I was, getting in trouble, probably, I don't know, not listening to anybody. I remember getting called to the principal office. I was just swinging. And I was, obviously, I was tagging her up. And the funny thing about this story, so they called my twin brother to come calm me down. Wrong move.

He started tagging her up too. Yeah. So, yeah. That got me out of one school. The other school, it was like fighting, but that one wasn't really my fault, too. It was Hart School. I don't even know if that's still a school in Stanford. The first school I got expelled from was Roxbury.

And then the second one was Hart School. I was fighting, but I felt like I had to. So, like, a big part of it, like, my story. And, like, because it's not, I want to say gang related, but, like, there was the East Side versus the West Side, right? So, like, wherever you. And it's, it's dumb. Like, we were in elementary school. And it was like to that, right?

Kids from the other side was trying to press me and had to let them things fly. Had to let them things fly. Where did that anger come from? Like, why would you want to fight at that young age? Where do you get that from? It's kind of, like, I don't say it's all you know. But, so like, a lot of it for me, so I didn't grow up with my mom and my dad. Right?

So there was a part of my life where up until I was like five or six, I was with my mom. And then she dropped us off and then we was with our dad from the rest. So it felt like and we moved into an environment. Dad, I'm sorry, I ain't trying to play you with nothing like that. I love you, you know that.

But it felt like, so his relationship that he had, he was already married and his wife had two kids of her own. So it very much felt like even in that dynamic competition between them, like who kids were better than whose. So it was a very much. very kind of unhealthy environment.

So literally like you would hear, they would argue and you would hear like, oh, my kids are better. No, my kids are better. So like that didn't help. And then just, you know, people saying you're a product of your environment, like, obviously not to 100%, but like it's true, right? Like so where we live, that's what was going on. People was fighting.

People was doing a whole bunch of stuff you ain't supposed to do. But that was something like big for me and us. Like I'm not going to lie. I enjoyed fighting. like to a point where I'm going to get into high school like maybe I should be a boxer but I felt like it was too late I know people who've been boxing and stuff

since they were like seven, eight but yeah I enjoyed I enjoyed being bad it was a way that I let out frustration I didn't know any other way I guess to say like that simply put I didn't know any other way I mean when we talk about product of environment

a lot of times kids are born into these environments and they don't have a choice that's just how they come up known so it's almost like it's kind of you're reversible in some respect. So to that, I don't want to say like I didn't have a choice, because you kind of always do have a choice, right? Some is, it is harder than others when this is all you see. But yeah, definitely, definitely raised into that, right? And there wasn't, there wasn't positive influences. And my dad is someone, my dad, my dad had three jobs. So my dad was a point in my life

when my dad was a myth to me. Like, I didn't necessarily see him, but like we woke up. My clothes was laid out and all that. And by the time, by the time we came back home, he was still working. So like when he when he would actually come home for the day, it probably was like 1 a.m. and then he slept to like 5 a.m. and then he was gone again. So like I didn't really, I didn't really see my dad. And I don't

even know how he kept his jobs with the amount of time teachers was calling him. The school was calling him that we was getting kicked out left and right. So I don't, shout to you, Pops, because I'm a parent now and I don't, I hope I ain't got to go through none of that, even though my kids are in a way different situation than I was in.

Yeah. So you're kicked out of elementary school. You do homeschooling. When do you go back to public school? I go back the following school. Because it was early. This was like October, November when I got kicked out. So I do a full, I guess, year of the homeschooling.

And then I go back the following year. And I'm in a new school, Rogers Magnet School. It's like one of those things like a lot of, you know, they put your name in a drawing. You get a draw. You get to go to that school. And so I did have this because I was in, I don't know if you know the difference between like Specialette and IBM. No, I've never heard of IBM. Never heard of IBM.

I don't know what it stands for. So somebody please let me know what it stands for. But like I know like Specialet is for, you know, I don't want to say the, but you know what I mean. I don't want to say that. I don't want to offend nobody. You know how it is today. But IBM is like really for like bad kids. So there's like eight kids to a class or it could be lower.

but like we need attention but in a different way right like it felt it really felt like the kids who needed more extra love and extra attention too because like I said my dad was like a myth I didn't see my dad and my stepmom wasn't really like that nurturing so like I didn't get that from her so I one of my teachers um miss Monaghan heard then she got married miss Legreca so when I got kicked out she like the next year, she followed me to the school. Like I went to Roger's school. She followed me to that school. And like I appreciated that because like it was like familiarity for me. It wasn't like a fresh start, right? Like so yeah. So I go to school the next year.

I'm still, I'm still bad if that's, yeah, I'm still bad. But I do know, like it feels like I'm running out of chances. Like not that anything was going to happen or I had that sense in mind. But it did feel that way. Like, all right, let me chill out because I kind of do like this school. And I got good friends here. Like, so let me. We're almost halfway through the year, and a lot of people are running on empty without fully realizing it.

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To me, that's kind of like ACE or the other endeavor in Danbury, like for the troubled kids. Okay. And I feel like when you go to those schools, it's, I don't know if that necessarily helps. Because you're around just other kids with a similar mindset and there's no positive influence. Yeah. So it definitely could, like it is super important to have like friends, especially like, For me, the friends that I had, they weren't necessarily like me in terms of they weren't bad getting in trouble. One of the friends that I had then, like since the fourth grade, his name is Cliff, to this day, we're still friends.

My best friends, my kid's godfather. He was nothing like me. Like, his parents were super strict. He had to be, like, he lived across the street from the school. And he, his dad would drive him to school. Like, he couldn't just walk to the school. I was a walker. I live a couple blocks away.

He lived across. Like, he had his dad would drive him. After school, he had to go straight. home, like we would play football and stuff, play around in the playground. Literally, you could see him from his front yard. He's there looking out like, damn, I want to be over there so bad, but he couldn't. So he had a totally different upbringing than I did. And like that, that was good for me too, right?

So like he would, like, if I'm thinking about doing some nonsense, he'll question it a little bit. And like that, like, that was like the first time somebody that like I related to in a different way, like us being kids, being the same age. Like we both like sports and stuff. somebody like questioning me, challenged me on like on my decisions and my thought process. So it's, it's very important to have friends. I mean, uh, school, those programs, like I see what they're trying to do.

How much they help. I don't know. I couldn't tell you. The program that I was in or it was helpful because like there were, those things that we did that I wouldn't have been able to experience like through my parents or on my own. Like every, every Wednesday we went to the YMCA and I learned how to swim. That's how I learned how to swim.

Right. Like I wasn't going to, to this day, I probably wouldn't have been a swimmer if it wasn't for that. You know what I mean? I did the same thing too. Oh, really? Oh, nice. And they kind of just like throw you in the water and you want to sink or drown. I had a terrible experience. I remember trying to come up thinking all about the drown. One of the kids was just like on the spot where I'm trying to come up, like trying to keep me down. And I was like, this is it. This is it. I'm dead. They literally just throw you in there and you got to figure it out. You got to figure it out. Somebody throw a noodle?

Somebody might have threw a noodle in there for you. Yeah, a little little dude. I was like, ah. It's fun rabbitistic about those child days. So then do you go to a public middle school? Yeah, so then we go to, and this is like, this is kind of where the troubles pick up again. So I go to Dola Middle School.

And now, oh, so I kind of, there was a point where me and my twin brother, we couldn't be in the same school. anymore because we were too bad together. Hence the story. I just told you they called him to calm me down and he started beating up the principal too. So they, we couldn't be at the same school anymore. So we're in different elementary schools. And even in the process, it was weird. Like I don't, he'll tell you something different. And I don't know how or why. But he, for whatever reason, when he went to Stark school, I went to Rogers. He got moved up a grade. So we were in the fourth grade going to new schools and he got moved up. So he, now he's in the fifth grade. I'm in the fourth grade. Already a super weird dynamic. We're twins. He's in a higher grade than me. I don't know how to explain it. People ask, I don't know. I don't know how to explain it.

So when he goes to middle school, obviously, a year before I do. Right. But I, you probably, I don't know if you heard. I skipped school a lot in elementary school. Even when I went to the school that I like Rogers, like I skipped school because my, like I said, my dad was barely home. My stepmom, I knew her routine. She would come in, check, say, hey, like, she had to go to work too.

She'd take the bus. So check in. you go to school because I live close I was a walker school started like 729 right so her bus was at like 720 right I had it down to the tea so she'd be like she'll come in the room make sure you go out like I'll act like I'm getting ready then sometimes like she'll leave a little later so then I'll just slip right under the bed stay there and then hear that door close bingo it's time to go even though there was nothing great to watch at those times it's like jerry and all that stuff not the car not the good cartoons and I like that but I used to skip school a lot a lot I probably like missed 80 days school. And I know today, like, that's a problem. I believe you probably stay back or something

like that. But, yeah. So anyway, though, right? So when we get the middle school, my twin brother is in the seventh grade. I mean, sixth grade, they do allow us to go to the same middle school. So I was already kind of annoyed in a way that now I'm in the same place. We're not necessarily, like, there's different cogs. I'm not sure how the middle school you went to. how they celebrate us to celebrate separated people like the cogs we had was like delta omega gamma and like so you're in different places in the building so we were we were in the like we was never in the same place in the building but like obviously there's somebody that looks like you walking around people like wait aren't you then i see like you know for a 20's like all right it gets oh

right bro like chill every day every day stop it so um what what Why I brought up, I used to skip school a lot because I used to go to middle school. I used to go to their school. And it's crazy because some of the teachers would just be like, whatever. Like they would let me, like, the teachers kind of knew me already because I was there throughout the school year when I was supposed to. Yeah, I got sent home a couple times. And actually, I'm surprised like the, I don't know what is it called, CPS or like child services that didn't get involved. Or shout to the teachers.

I guess they were cool about it. They didn't report that stuff. but I was familiar with like the teachers and stuff because I was there the 80 days that I was missing in elementary school. I was hopping on the bus to go to middle school and yeah. So Lincoln back up with my brother

and my older brother was going to dolan too. But he was in the same grade as my twin brother at this point because he got moved up. My older brother's just a year older than us. But big dude, like big stocky dude made us feel very like safe. because, um, so link, link back up with them and when, like, I don't know what it was. Like, just being, so my, my, my, my best friend at that point, Cliff, he went to a different

middle school. He didn't go to, so that's probably why I got back unhinged, because I didn't have no longer that check, right? Somebody to check me in that way. So I, like, yeah, I start while and out again, like, fighting. getting into trouble. Most of the stuff is fighting. Again, it's like east side versus west side. But stupid stuff. Like, real stupid stuff.

There was this one principle that I had to this day. I'm kind of cool with him. I don't talk to him as much as I should. I'm very thankful for him. Mr. Rinaldi, I appreciate you. Like, he plays, like, a big part in my life and, like, just having, like, a male figure believe in you more than you're used to

or more than I was used to. Nobody really like breathed life into me before the way he did. But anyway, link back up. We're in middle school and there was this point where like I'm just fast forward in a little bit. I'm in the eighth grade now. My brothers have moved to high school. They're going to Stanford High. And there was a point where they're like, yo, we already know.

Like it's east side or it's west side, but now we got names for it. Like they're on the west side. they're going to be the young G's, and their flag is going to be a black flag. On the east side, we're going to be the east side riders, and we're going to have the white flag. And I thought it was corny, but like, all right, like, okay, we got names for it now. Cool. So, like, we're the east side of it. And we used to, it seemed like it was like organized.

Like, all right, we're going to meet up downtown and we're going to fight. Like, it was organized. Like, I'll never forget that because it was like, it felt stupid. it, but it was like the beginning to a lot of different kind of problems that will happen in my life and that would have like this, this weird, whatever. So that, that's something like, I end up graduated in middle school. I'm saying it like it was a miracle. Like, nah, I mean, I was, I was, some, send me a good kid.

Like, I got good, like, school was easy to me, I thought, but like, I, like, I enjoy being a badass. Like, that's all I knew at that point. But so I graduated. school, it's the summer. And we probably had a couple meetings with the other group, the other side. Like, we probably fought a couple times already at this point. But so like this, this specific summer, like it felt weird because now it started to feel like like downtown was always a neutral. It's like neutral, right? Like it's not the west side. It's not the east side. It's like it's in the middle of both sides of the town. Right. So this, this one summer,

we're downtown which I think this should be the name of this episode right I'll get to that but so we're downtown and there is like 13 of us

and we're I don't know maybe I'll fast for a little bit but anyway we're 11 years old we're 11 years old so yeah but I'm not in high school yet we're 11 years old we're downtown

just telling how we normally do probably like 13 11 year old shouldn't be together like down so like what's your parents whatever But we're walking. If anybody is familiar with Stanford, it's the landmark square. It's like the movie theaters. It's these big, big-ass stairs that you go up.

So we're walking past it like we do every time we're downtown. And it's this group of other twin. Like we're with, so it's me, my twin brother, a couple family members, a couple boys. And then another twin brother, like, duo is in this group with us. Not in nowhere. One of them just blows a spitball at this kid. Okay. Like kids on a scooter.

then the other brother just start wailing on this kid, like beating the brakes off him. And like we're not, like we don't know that this kid is not from the other side. It's just a random kid to us. And they're just, they're both beating him up and like, he owes us money. Like, all right. And then we see like, so in Stanford, I'm not sure in Danbury if they have on. I recall seeing them.

Do they have cops on bikes? Yeah, they do. They do. I haven't seen any. They only stay around like Main Street. Okay. My bad. But, uh, so it's like, I guess it was a cop that was on a bike.

He starts running towards, towards us. And it's just what you do. If a cop is running at you, you run. Even if you, if you had nothing to do with it, if you had something to do, whatever, you just run. And like, like, for me, there was something like, like, it was a thrill in the out, like, running from the cops. It was like similar to, like, when, I don't know if you just had the kid, like, threw rocks at cars, through eggs at cars. And when they get out and chase you, it was that, like, it was a thrill that you got from just running. And even if you had nothing to do, what was going on.

But a cop starts chasing us and we're running. We run through the mall. Back then there was filings. I don't think filings even exist anymore. It's like a Macy's, but we run through there. And we cut to like, it's like the middle part of the mall where you go outside. I guess where only employees can be. You're like dead in the center of the mall outside.

There's like a whole bunch of dumpsters where like, you know you're not really supposed to be there. But. And then with like, so now we're now like I'm like, we lost them. Like we lost them somewhere in this. And it's run, right? And we're like, ah. I mean, like, we're about to start talking about what just happened because we still don't know what just happened, right?

But before we could do that, my older brother and my older cousin that was with us, they take off running. I'm like, what the hell? Look, then we look this way, like, where they're running from? And we see, like, three cop cars come in. My other cousin, he starts running. And, like, it's so weird because he could have. made it out. Like he was like gone kind of. And for whatever, like the cops, so not they come out and

their guns are drawn like, which like, what the hell? And he comes back. Like he was gone though. Like he was, he comes like, I'm sorry, sir. I thought you was going to shoot me, sir. So now he's back in this. And then so now what I see now, they're grabbing. So there is 11 of us now. It's two, dipped out. And they're grabbing each one of us. And I see the kid that those two, the other two twins just beat up in the car. So they're grabbing each person individually and bringing them like close. to the car and the kid is like I guess he's saying yes or no but he's saying yes to everybody and I guess he like to me what I was seeing was that he was saying yes to who was there right so boom he says yes to everybody so we're all in the cop cars and like we're going we're getting booked we're getting

booked we're going to the station so we go to the station taking our fingerprints and stuff you know how that work I do and the whole time I'm thinking like like damn all this like kid got beat up by two of these guys like what's like what's going on here and like they're no they're not like communicating with and I don't know it's because like we're young like we're minors and but like I don't know what's happening right now right like and I'm lost I'm confused and we're so there and we're kind of separated like we can see each other but like we're all like like cuff to like a bench and I don't even know how they had so many of these anyway.

Like, what the hell? But, like, we can't really, like, talk. Like, it feels uncomfortable to, like, speak, like, aloud because, you know, they're there. But we don't, we don't know what's happening right now. So finally one of them come and say, like, because it was a Friday. It was a Friday. And they're like, somebody says, you're not going to be able to see a judge until Monday. Like, a, wait, what?

What the hell you talk about? What you mean? Not see a judge to a Monday. It was like, yeah. So you got, you know what you're, you know what you're? all going. It's like, where are we going? You want to a detention center, like a juvie. And so at that point, again, none of it feels real because to me, like, I've done a lot of stuff in my life and at that point, but like, I didn't, I didn't do anything right now. Like, what are we

talking about, right? Like, these two of our friends beat up this other kid, but, no, serious, he wasn't bleeding, right? He wasn't, I'm saying right, like he was there. And, um, So, like, I don't know the process. Like, how, when you got, when you got booked, how long did that all take? I mean, the first couple times with the state, like, local police department. Yeah. The first time was a couple hours. Second time they kept me there, like, all night.

Okay. It really depends. And then the feds, I was in and out in a few hours. Well, damn. Well, this is, it felt like an all-day thing. And, like, it was like the, it's like the cops. They wanted us to be scared. because

they're like yeah so you're going to Juvie and this like this is in Bridgeport and like

Bridgeport it's supposed to be like like a tougher spot per se but um so yeah

they're like you're going to Juvie and I'm just like like damn like what the hell we're going to juvie but you weren't the one that beat up the kid

right that's what I'm saying so it doesn't feel real like to me it's like I just will get sorted out like but

um and it was super weird to admit obviously because we ran like there was a lot of people who witnessed this spitball beating that went down.

Like, it was a lot of people outside, but maybe because we were part of the group that ran. Not maybe. I know we're part of the group that ran. I want to act like, but, um, so we're,

and at this point, I'm not scared. I'm not like nervous or anything like that. Like, because I'm going, like, all right, but I'm going with six people,

like that I know one's my brother. Another one's my cousin. Like, and, um, I remember the cop just kept saying, he kept mentioning six foot Willie going to have fun with y'all. I was like,

who the hell of six foot Willie? like what's going on here? So, and it felt like Stanford to Bridgeport is probably like 40 minutes. It's like a 40 minute drive.

So there was three of us in the car. Three of us, three of us in each car. And then somebody, somebody got a car ride alone. I don't even know who got the car ride alone. But there was me, my twin brother,

and my cousin and one of the cars. And again, this cop, I don't know if he's just trying to scare us. And he's like, you keep saying six foot really gonna have phone with us, whatever, whatever.

And I'm not scared because I'm with six other people, right? And so we get there. And it looks like I tried to, like, I don't know when you were going to jail, did you try to imagine what it's going to look like, the outside and all that stuff? Yeah, of course. So I was trying to picture, like, what is this going to look like?

Right? It's just kids. Like, it's juvie. Like, it's just kids. Even though I've heard stories about like different, juvenile detention centers, but I mean, we're in Connecticut. I'm like, this can't be too crazy. But it looked, it looked how I thought it would look.

It's like, I don't know if the one at Bridgeport is still up today. Like, I don't know if that's still a thing. But it was like these fenced, it was like wired a little. Like, it's like, oh, come. Like, this looks serious. And I feel like this shouldn't be serious. So we get up in there and I kid you not. It's night time.

Everybody in their doors is like, I got being on a wall Fresh meat Fresh me Like what the fuck is going on in here Like hold on Wait And I'm like

My head Which one is Willie Like I'm just like Oh shit Like all right Like all the thing is like Now I'm really gonna have to fight a day

Like that's what's going on But again I'm like I got six Six people that I know It's gonna be some ass beating going on But damn I don't want to have to fight Every day shit But it seemed that

way. And I turned out like they all the kids, they just do that shit every time a new person come and try to scare them or something. Everybody was super cool. Detention center. It was like, it was like a day camp, to be honest. Like if we did activities and shit, no shade to my pops, but like we ate more than I ate at home. Like we had meals and all that shit. But so we, we did like a week that weekend, a week this is how long shit. Wait, wait. They brought you there for a week. Yeah. So it was so. I don't understand why. Like, there was. There's no court hearing. They couldn't call your parents.

So it was Friday afternoon. And like when this all shit happened and so I guess like we had to wait until Monday to see just we end up. So we went, we went to court from Juvie. And like, we did talk to my dad on the phone. And my dad was just as confused as us because we like, oh, we didn't do nothing. But I know everybody says that, right? And they're just like, you have to wait to Monday. Like it's the weekend now, right?

So when we go to court, I don't even remember the charge. I think it was like assault. I don't even know to what degree. but just like the whole time, which suck too, because we had a public defender. You know about public. I'm not sure. You didn't have a public defender.

I don't know. But public defenders, like, you know, they got so many cases and shit. Like, they just, like, yo, take the plea. Like, plea for what? Like, I'm not taking no plea. I ain't, I'm not saying, like, these kids did it, but I ain't do shit.

Like, you know what I'm not taking no plea? What the hell? And we're so, like, it's like, this is, so, ah, let me not jump the gun here. but just from like from there like it's already like creating this sense of like oh like this the legal system sucks like I'm like kidding you tell me to take a plea I'm telling you I didn't do shit and you like just take the plea like you know what I mean like that that that was so trash but anyway so like after the first court thing I think it just got like pushed back to next week and then so we was in juvie for another week or that's another week with for the weekend went to court push back a week so we're in jury for a week court then just just like so far as we just got like probation like two years three years probation and then it was like they're going to end up throwing out the case um so when um when we're when we're in there it felt longer it felt longer than just like a week and two days felt way longer like already in

there i'm i don't know people people who watch this like we you deal with people who went to jail jail not no damn juvenile detention center. I know. But one of the dudes that, like, one of my friends that, like, we was in there, like, I knew that I was never going to chill with this dude ever again. Because I didn't realize how, like, dumb he was until we was in there. I remember, like, one time, that sounds crazy, my bad. I'm sorry.

All right, I'm sorry. But, like, he was, like, mouthing off to one of the COs. And they was like, all right, you're going to get 32 hours of room time. And he was like, what? I don't want to spend all week in my room. It's like, wait, yeah, this dude's an idiot, yeah. 32 dollars, not a week, all right. Anyway, so we get out and we're on probation and, like, one of the turning points in my life,

I don't know to this day if she said this to, like, motivate me to not get in trouble or if she met this, my probation officer, her name was Lisa. It's his lady. And she was like, it doesn't matter even when you get off like a probation, we're going to see you again. Because, like, we had the ankle monitor and all that shit. You familiar with that. We put you on the ankle monitor, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

So the rest of the summer was trash. We couldn't be outside, right? We had to be inside. So, like, that was garbage. But, like, so I still didn't have, like, a real reality or, like, a sense of what happened. Because to me, like, again, I got, I was fighting and all that stuff, doing a whole bunch of bad stuff stealing and stuff. But, like, I never got, like, caught for those things. And yet I'm getting in trouble for something that I didn't do.

So for me, it felt like, damn, what the fuck, right? So, um, the next year, still in probation. Still in probation. East Side riders. the YGs, the West Side, East Side, West Side. We still got beef, like, and we're not supposed to be outside, but, like, they started, like, they started, like, giving us a curfew. So we could be outside till five.

We could be outside till six. Once they got to seven, it was like, all right, that's enough time to, like, like, you know, make stuff happen. That sounds crazy. So the next year, again, we're still on the ankle monitors. Wait, let me still on the ankle monitors? We own probation. We had to be off.

Maybe we were still on the ankle monitor. Yeah, we are still on the ankle monitors. And the next summer, like, yo, there's going to be a couple of these kids at summer school. Stapra High was like a block away from my house. It's like, all right, we're going to make them pay. I don't know. We're going to beat them up. So a group of us go down there to the school, like when they let out.

And we beat them up, like, bad and bad. I'm not going to name, so nothing like that. But we beat them up bad. And so we get away with it, right? Like, so that was the summer. So when the school year starts, it's like the first, or it's the first week of school, right? And the, what do they call, RSO officers? Oh, the resource officers.

Yeah, the resource officers is there. Come to the class, says my name. like come with me. I'm like, what the hell is going on? So me and my twin brother, I think it's because like we were, we, we had history. Already had to, like, they said,

you was on camera. And I swear to you mean, like I did the least. In this beating, I did the least. I probably got one kicking to somebody. I mean, I was still involved. But I'm like, damn, I did the least. So we get in trouble before,

and like, there's no, like, they just put us in cuffs. It was just super embarrassing. Like, you know, at school. put some cuffs, and we go straight to Juvie. Like from school, we go straight to Juvie. It's like, damn, wait, we're going to Juv! But I know what I did this time around, right?

And I mean, my brother, this time, we're probably there for like three weeks. And I just want to say right now that this is, like, there was a saying. I think statistics, like, prove it. Like, once you are part of the system, you're always part of the system. And I just remember, like, when I got, when we got locked up again, I'm just thinking like, damn, Lisa, she said,

she's going to see me again. I'm still on probation, but like now I know I'm going to be on, like they're going to extend her to some shit. I'm just like, God, damn. So we,

nothing crazy happening in Juvie at this point or this time around. Like, we know the people. We know the staff. And it's, it's very, like,

disappointing because it's like, like, once you get in trouble, like kind of people, they expect that. of you. Like, oh, this, you're a troublemaker. Bad-ass twins, right? Like, this, this is what you guys do. And so, like, that was, these were my, like, those are my first running in with trouble, real trouble. Like, yeah, we were fighting being bad and shit, but, like, I never got in, like,

legal trouble, right? And, and even still to, to this point, I'm not grasping, like, how, like, serious or, like, the consequences of, of this, like, where this can go, like, staying on this path of getting in trouble and shit, right? And the only way or the thing that resonated with me that made me think like, all right, yeah, I got to chill. I got to chill out. So when we get out this time, again, we have the ankle monitors and we play sports.

We play basketball. We play football too. But this, what I'm about to explain happened in basketball. It was a scrimmage. Stamber high, actually one of the CEOs, he was a coach of a team. He was the coach of this team that were scrimaging. So it was crazy. So we're playing the referee

Blows the whistle Stop What the hell Like the hell is like He has a watch on his ankle You take that off You gotta take that off I'm like oh damn

Cause it's like mad people Damn like I'm embarrassed right I'm embarrassing like So like that was my first like This is weird That was my first like Damn being in trouble is not cool Like now I'm in bed

I got to tell you It's not a watch They know that I'm oh shit Like this is crazy That was my first realization Like being in trouble was not cool. I'm getting embarrassed. I look silly out here.

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My apologies. Any, because I feel like I'm saying a lot fast, too. I'm trying to fast track this because I want to get to the... So you're at the high school basketball game. At the high school basketball game, yeah, they just found your ankle monitor on you. My ankle monitor called the watch, and now I'm embarrassed, and I'm like, all right, like, that was my realization. This shit ain't cool, like, to be in trouble. It took an embarrassing moment like that for me to realize that.

So I'm like, I made a point. Like, I don't want this for me. I don't want to be in trouble. And I'm remembering Lisa. Can I curse? I'm like, yeah, this bitch said she's going to see me again. Now she's seeing me again. I got, how many?

I got like three more years, four more years left of probation. finish this shit out, then I'm never going to get in trouble again. And fast forward. Like I don't get in trouble again. Like me. Me and my brother, we stay out of trouble.

But my older brother, my older brother, he ends up getting in trouble. And he's 18. Like, he's 18. So it was our senior year. Because,

oh, fast for a little too. In high school, when I went to high school, my twin brother who had, he moved up a grade, well, he didn't do shit.

So he ended up staying back. So now, It had evened out. It leveled out. We was back in the same grade again. He stayed. He never even went to school. Like, really, he just fucking around got put back.

And then even my older brother, he stayed back too because he wasn't doing shit. So we was all in the same grade. So senior year comes around. My older brother, he was a different kind of bad. Like, again, he was this big dude. He used to beat the shit out of people. And he, like, he made, like, we felt safe around him. Like, I like, I like fighting and stuff.

But, like, if he was the type, I don't know if you have any friends like this. Or if he around, I'm good. Like, not. that I can't handle my own, but I feel like whatever happens, I know he's going to clean it up, right? He going to clean it up. So he wasn't allowed to be at Stanford High anymore. He went to like this, a private school school called Stanford Academy. It's strictly just for bad kids.

It's terrible because it's a whole bunch of bad kids and a bad school. And all he do is be even worse to the teacher. So the teachers that got to deal with that shit is no learning going on whatsoever. So he was in Stanford Academy. It's getting close to like what would be. graduation, graduation probably like two months away. And one morning, it's like 5 a.m., boom.

Cops just bust the door open. My bedroom is upstairs. So, like, we hear a boom, but not really understanding, like, the fuck is that what's going on. Then we hear, like, my dad, I don't know what the fuck. My dad was saying. He was like, so when we finally go to downstairs. I see my dad on the floor, like holding his eye, oh shit, my bad. Holding his eye like, my dad like, dude, they just hit me in the eye.

It's not like, yo, wait, what the freak is going on? Is my dad in trouble? And then so then there's holding my dad, holding my stepmom down, holding us down. And then like they go upstairs because me, my twin brother come down, my stepbrother, my stepmother had two kids of her own. My stepbrother comes down. And my older brother, he's the like, he's the only one that's still sleeping peacefully in his room. They go upstairs, bus in his room, take him, cuff him up, and take him out, put him in the car.

But it's like, it's mad cops at the crib. And like, for us, my, so my older brother, he chilled with, like, older people. And he was very, like, secretive, kind of in a way. Like, we, there's times where we chill together, but, like, he was around an older crowd. And, like, there was a lot aspects,

a lot of aspects to his life that we didn't know what was going on. This was one of them. him like he's like oh he's getting like he's getting arrested like for what like we know we not really like yeah we fight here and there but we never got like caught for it again again I'm not getting in trouble now it's like what the what the fuck is going on and then so they take him away and they're not really explaining anything and then my dad is not like making shit any better because he's just like still going on going off about getting hitting the eye and then

I know my dad started lying so he took out like two of me he goes dad that stop the bullshit no you did it. But so after, like, after the cops leave, we go to my brother room and we see like, we see, I think they took some too, but we see like bullets. And then we're like, damn, did he have a gun? Like, and it like it turns out so that the charge, it was, he, like, it was a firearm and, uh, or what is it when you shoot, like shoot at somebody? Like an endangering type charge?

I think that's what it was and like have like possession of a firearm even though they didn't find the fine but they did find bullets in his room but like yeah so he got he got charged I think with it had to do with a firearm and he got hit with five years

and it felt super unreal because I don't we don't know this of my brother like we're like what's going on like he's this big dude he always beat people up so we know he don't he don't never need a weapon or anything like that So he's 18, he's 18, we're 17. It's like, all right, it's going to get, it's going to get sorted out. Like, it's going to jail because now we're just like, damn,

it's like we've been to juvie. Me and my twin brother been to juvie, but we didn't go to jail, like jail, jail, like, you know, like, when I thought about jail, jail, even when I think about your story, I'm like, I know it's not the case, but I'm like, dude's getting dunked up the butt all crazy. They get stab, slap, slap. Like, I'm like, damn, I know my brother can handle that shit, but like, no, we don't want, we don't want that to go down. And I don't know the exact charge. My bad, I don't know the exact charge, but there's something that I have to do with a gun.

And, like, he gets five years or, or maybe it's like seven or eight years. But, like, they're like, he's probably going to have to only do five years. But we're like, damn, five, like, we're in seven, like, damn, five years. We're going to be grownups. Like, wait, we're going to be grownups by the time you get out. So part of, like, part of me wanting to come up here, too, is, like, to tell, like, the other side of, because, again, we, I've never been to jail, jail. But the other side of, like, when you have, I know you had your pops up here, when you have somebody that you care about, that you close that you love, go to jail. and like how you're dealing with it on the outside, right?

So like, so my brother, when he goes to jail, again, he was like a sense of like security for us and safety because my dad, he worked so damn much. Like when we're out and about, it's my big brother, right? My big brother's always there to take care of us, right? And now, now no more for the next five years, which feels like a lifetime now, he's gone, right? And I, like, I feel like this is an underrated aspect

that nobody talks about, kind of, but how often did you call your dad? When I was in prison? Yeah. Like every day? You call them every day? I don't even know how much those phone calls costs, but they ain't free, right?

So my brother, like he couldn't necessarily like, yeah, like he would call my dad, and my dad would, like, put money on the phone and books to as much as he can. But at that point, like, we don't have jobs, so, like, you can't just hit ourselves. phone, right? Well, we end up getting jobs and shit and like we put money on

the, what was the, securist. And so he's like, he wants to call every day and he does, sometimes he's called, do you call multiple times a day? Yeah, sometimes yeah, but I mean, you can only have a 15 minute call. Yeah. I don't even know how much is a fuck, how much is a call. I don't know how it would have been in the state. I think ours was like a dollar

or something almost, a call. It felt pretty expensive because I had got a job at Walmart. Like at this point, like that was, that was the, after we graduated, I'm at West Con, got a job at the Walmart, pointing out like it's over there and shit. I got a job at the Walmart. And me and my twin brother now, like, we live out here too now. So now we're, now we're paying rent. Like, that's new to us. I never pay rent before.

So we're paying rent. But we broke. Like, I was at Walmart. I was making $8.50. And I remember one of my other friends who was in jail before he got out. He went to a Whole Foods. He making like 10. And I was so pissed.

I'm like, yo, damn, he's in jail. Not that everybody deserves fair pay, but God damn, I'm getting a fit. So we broke, is what I'm saying. Like, but still trying to, like, make sure that we could put money on his books, put money on the phone for him to call us and stuff. And it always felt like I got to rewatch that episode, which it pops, because, I mean, it's different from father to son. But, like, so, like, my brother, he was, like, kind of, like, living vicariously through us now.

Like, because now he's losing 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23. he's losing those years now, right? And so he was, like, living through us. And, like, especially when me and my brother was, like, trying to push the music stuff, every time he calls, his favorite question was, so what's new?

And that created so much, like, I got anxiety. Like, when I would see his name pop up, or not his name, but, like, I see that number pop up on the phone. I'm like, fuck, he's going to ask what's new. And we ain't doing shit new.

Like, it's the same shit. Like, I, I don't know how to explain that, but it felt so crazy. It felt so crazy to like, fuck, now I got, like, do I got a, do I got a, and it's just my brother just wants to speak. He just wants to talk, right? He just wants to talk. I don't, I can't, I can't speak for it how it is in jail. Juvie was, was day camp.

It was fun as fucking Juvie. Like, we, we had activities. We were doing things. But I'm like, damn, am I going to have the makeup shit? Like every day he calls, he's saying, what's new? So, like, it was, it was adding stress to my life, Ian. It was adding stress to my life. Like, and that's, does that sound fucked up?

No, I mean, incarceration of family members affects the family, you know, in ways that people who haven't experienced that wouldn't understand. I mean, I think it's even stressful seeing some of the people you don't even know, like on the news, like, facing a lot of time or getting arrested, you know, like, you're looking at someone, you're like, wow, unless they did something like crazy, you know, like trafficking children or rape or anything like that, you know, but like you just, I don't know, it's just,

sometimes when I see a news article and I see someone, I'm like, wow, like I can't imagine what they're going through. Okay, okay. But I'm saying more like that, that like I was always so super, stressed out when my brother called because I knew this question was going to come up like what's new and to me like I'm I'm still working at Walmart I know we ain't hit big yet like you know what I'm and like it always felt like that's what he wanted and it probably wasn't like when you call you just want to hear people that you love right that you care about but like for whatever reason that that was stressing me what's that connection huh it's a connection with people in prison look at people from the outside for something you know just give him a little dose of reality it's like obviously a the free world. Right. And see, in there, if, like, I, it felt like I had to do more. I had to be more. Right. Like, I wanted to be entertaining for him, like, make him think that like, because, like, we're in college. So when you think of college, or when I thought of college, I always thought

all college parties and shit. And our, our first day, like, at a college party, it was very much like the movies. A lot of girls, a lot of booze. So I remember, like, it was easier for me to write my brother because like I didn't have to think right away right like I didn't have to like because he's you know you're talking phone what happened when what happened next and you kind of got to when I write when I can write him when I would write him it's like books like I will write him like 12 pages at a time front and back and like he loved that and I love that too because then like you know like write me write me back I know there's going to be some time in between where like I felt like I can have something new to say opposed to a phone call

when he calls me damn like I need to know everything right then and there and you're going to ask me what's next what's next what's next and it's like bro there's nothing next there's nothing new after that that's it you know what I mean but it was super weird

so like the him him being in there and like obviously at this point in life we were done with probation and all that stuff but it's

it like right there I could see how like you get caught up in that cycle of always getting in trouble because like there's times like we're like damn now I want like I want to crash out like because the person that like I felt safe around is gone and like when I'm gonna talk even to my twin brother like I never vented to my twin brother like things that I was feeling uh stresses that I was feeling my older brother I didn't vent to him but like I if I ever needed to talk I could talk to him, and it was easy for me because it felt like he wasn't listening to me, so I'm just like talking to the wind. And so when he was gone, like, I lost that, right? And it was hard to cope with, hold on.

I feel like I'm just rambling right now. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Because this is not how I wanted to present the story.

I wanted to fucking just. Well, do you think that your brother's arrest kind of set your life on a different trajectory? It did for sure. in a sense, not to be unfair to him, but I felt like it held both of us back for a little bit. So when we moved, and anywhere we moved in Danbury, me and my twin brother, we would get, like, obviously, a two-bedroom apartment, but me and him would share rooms,

me and my twin brother, because it was always like, oh, my brother, our older brother going to get out soon and, like, we got a place for him and that would feel good. But we was always, like, operating, like, as if he was going to get out next month, next month, next month because that's what we would hear from like he had different lawyers like he had public defenders then we had a lawyer and so like it we had these promises that like he'll be out he'll be out he'll be out so like those the five years that he was in it was like we were at least for me speaking

for myself it felt like I was living for him to get out right and not like necessarily experience like just living like living life learning shit doing like doing regular shit it was like I he gonna be out soon and I want him to experience this. He's going to be out soon and I want him to do this. All right. And again, like, to think back on it now, it feels crazy that, like, me and my twin brother, we always had a place and we always shared rooms where we had an extra way. We should just have our own room.

Right. So if we brought a girl over, it's like, yo, bro, you get out the room today. Let me just be in here. But it's like, we got two rooms, right? Like, what are we doing? So it's crazy to think about, like, that aspect of it. And it definitely, if, it definitely, I feel like it,

him, it felt like we were in there too because like we were living kind of for him to get out and to like, wow him per se. Did you ever think that that could have been you if you guys kept getting into the trouble? Oh yeah, 100%.

A hundred percent. And like that's, I always, you know, I always thought back to the probation officer, Lisa, saying, I'm, you'll be back.

Like literally anytime, anytime moving forward and like when I'm faced with like what should I do? Do I want to slap somebody? Do I want to like get angry? I'm like, damn, this chick, she expected me back. Like she, and then I never wanted to give her that satisfaction. And again, I like to believe she was saying it for motivational reasons. But probably statistics say that like she was right.

Like generally, once you're in, you're always in, it's the cycle that you can't reverse, right? Like you, or at least it's hard to get out of, I mean, shout to people like yourself, right? Like you're not getting in trouble. I hope you're not getting in trouble, are you? No, I'm not getting in trouble. But, I mean, you did get arrested that second time after she said that. Definitely did. And that sucked because it was like, damn, like, this is what she was talking about.

Is she right? But I don't want her to be right. Because the first time now I got arrested, I felt like it was, I had nothing to do with that. Second time, yes, I had everything to do with that. And but. So how do you end up breaking that cycle? And you don't go back that third time and you decide to put your life on a different trajectory? it's, I mean, I think that answer is, is different for everybody.

I don't have that answer for, for everybody. We're talking for you. Yeah, also for me, how did I break that? If you said, how do you break that? I don't know. But how did I, it was that hearing that, like, in my head all the time, wanting to prove her wrong. One's like, because I'm, like, yeah, I was like a troubled kid and I got in trouble when I was a bad kid. I think there's a lot of bad kids.

I'd rather be bad young than bad older. but like there's no like I don't want that from my life I don't want to be I don't want to be in jail I don't want to like not it's like where I live there was like a lot of people outside on a block every day right doing what they was doing what they were selling drugs or whatever it's like I don't want I don't want to do that every day like just from like my aspect as a kid my perspective as kids like damn that shit don't get boring y'all here every day I'll do the same thing every day I just drink like I didn't want that for myself and I feel like If you constantly getting trouble and stuff, like the trajectory that we were on, that was going to be like a real life possibility because like, you know, it's hard to get jobs when you have a record, right? And people look, some people look at you different when you have a record. So it's like you can see that like people, like you rather, where you're accepted, right? In the hood where you accept that chilling, nobody's really caring. They probably expect you to be this kind of person anyway. So nobody's bothering you.

but yeah Lisa Lisa Lisa was how I I did not want her to be right and I didn't want that for myself I didn't like I'm not I'm not that kid you you've been on a show but you've seen this like I feel like I got a lot

to offer shit and you can't do that in jail cell you can't do that in a jail cell Ian or Eon what advice would you give to a parent that's kind of dealing with their child going through similar situations that you did growing up.

Like the being there. And that might sound like very simple, but like being there. And I know you got in trouble. And your dad was there for you. And like obviously you can still get in trouble whether your parents are involved or not. But like, like, you feel comfortable talking your pops about anything and everything. Of course. I'm not really there.

Like even to this day, like me and my dad, we got a, we got like a weird. relationship. Like it doesn't feel like I can. He wouldn't, if something happened to me today, he's not like probably top three people that I will call, right? And that's, that's not great. That's, that's not great. So for parents and I'm a father now, like, damn, just be, just be there. Because like, when I think of what I, what I want most, like, for my kids and I think of like, what didn't I have when I, because I, this thought came to come in my head. It's like, I want a better life for my kids than I. had. And what was that? When I think it was a kid, there was never a time as a kid where it was like,

I want more money. There was never a time like I want a bigger house. But I think it's like, damn, I wanted my parents. Like, I want more memories for my parents that have that. Right. So just be there for your kids, man. Sounds simple. At my bank, I was literally getting pennies using wealthfront. Chiching, there's this much that I'm getting an interest in. I didn't have to do anything. Clients like Angela earn up to 4.2% APY on their cash with the wealthfront cash account. Get started at Wealthfront.com. Client was paid $1,000 for their testimonial, creating a conflict of interest.

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I have my show. My life looks like happiness. That's what my life looks like happiness. And it's a lot of love. It's a lot of love. My wife loves me unconditionally. Well, I hope. My wife loves me.

I love her. How does it affect my... Every day, like, I remember how I grew up. What would I want it as a kid? I wanted, so like, every time I go home, I see my kids, like, I play with my kids a lot. When I leave here, I'm going to play with my kids. Like, just what I felt like I was missing. Like, what made that, that when you asked, what do people, like, who knew me, what would they say?

Badass Twins? Well, that's, like, that played a part in it. Like, clearly, I think I needed love. that I wasn't getting, right? That love and attention that I wasn't getting from the people that I wanted it from. And like that, and no, like, while that wasn't, like, for my brother who, like, it was a big part of my story,

not to, my fault, that sound crazy because people come up here with, like, real gel stuff and, like, this is not that to me. But, like, that wasn't a big part of my brother's story, but it could have been. But one thing I want to do, though, because so like what you know you asked me like did it do i feel like it put me back a little bit like with my brother being in there and i say yeah and like because i was we was very much living for him

get out like oh he's gonna be out next month next month next month right and um so finally when he when he finally got out and it's like it's weird but this is like one of my like proudest moments right when he finally got out like after five years so it was a super weird weird weird thing that he just like dropped them all somewhere in bridgeport and like he called us from like a stranger's phone right it's like yo I'm out but before like we knew the general day he was going to get out finally when it happened and I was like like we we wanted his like I wanted him to have such a great time his first day out which I that now thinking about it that probably you can't do too much with somebody who just gets out because you're institutionalized to a degree but I was like we want him

to have so like we we had mad girls at the house right probably too much drinks and all that stuff but it was like we want him to have a wild time. So his first day home, like, I think he had a great time. I want to call him real quick and ask him about that. Hopefully he picks up. Can I do that? Yeah, sure. Because I remember, like, the only, like, we literally gave him a room,

girls in there, drinks, all that. I just remember the next day, like, waking up, when we go in there, he's butt-ass naked with a Dorito bag of chips over his penis. And we're just like, what happened in there? Right. So hopefully he answers. I never asked him about that day. And that was something that, like, that meant a,

I don't know if that's weird, but that meant a lot for me. Like, I wanted to give him something. Like, when he asked what's new, I couldn't give him that. Like, because shit wasn't new any day. But when he got out, I very much wanted his experience to be something that he'll remember for life. And hopefully he picks up and shares what that was. I never asked him. Yo, Mar.

What's up? Yo, I'm on this, I'm on this pot. with Ian, it's called Locked In, right? It's about, like, sharing your stories with jail and all that. But what I never asked you this and I just, I want you to, if you can share it now, how you felt it could be brief. You probably at work.

But so your first day out, you know, when you came to the crib at night, how was that? Can you, can you share as much as you like or, like? Um, shit, I remember feeling like lost. Everything was brand new to me. No, no, no.

But, okay, no, that's real. But I mean, like, you know, how we had, like, you know, the girls at the crib and all that? Oh, oh, oh, oh. Like... I've been waiting five years for that. Well, how did you...

Like, so when you woke up, though, like, what was the... How did you feel? And I don't know if I'm looking for an answer or something, but I just never asked you this. and I don't know. I'm going to hold you. I'm going to die by now so I can't.

Oh, okay. Okay, okay. Okay, okay. Okay, got you, got you, got you got you got you. All right. All right. I'm just afraid to sling that thing. I really, bro.

All right. I appreciate you. I love you, bro. Well. Yeah, it works so you can't. What advice would you give to someone that has like a family member or significant other coming home from prison to kind of help them? because I always get questions all the time, like what can we do to help our family member

or loved one that's incarcerated? So, like, what, and I don't, like, I don't know because, like, you heard him, he said, like, he felt lost. And obviously, it's a lot. Like, he did five years. People who did longer and or shorter, it might vary. But, like, I don't, again, there's something that I don't, I can't say I necessarily have the answer for.

But what we did, outside of, like, trying to get him straight with females and, like, make sure he catch up for lost time. So, like, we try to get him a job right away. Well, we, he's calling back. Or maybe he can indulge something. Yeah, sure. Yo.

Oh, on that Sloan Kong shit. So you was on that Sloan Kong? What did that mean? What you mean? Remember, I just kept saying I got the Sloan Kong. I just kept saying, Sri and all that. I was happy as hell. That's how, boy, I can finally get some buns.

There's five years old dudes and shit, smelling farts and guys' breath and shit, finally gets that soft and feminine. Like, yo, that was heaven. cool shit bottled up I was also a nasty d'nog came home I was like you

you got a naked for this moment hold on I do have a question when we when we went in the room the next day and you was

butt-ass nigga you just had a Dorito bag covering what was that what did you do how was Doritos involved

oh you just I don't know if you lost service I think you lost them yeah I ain't gonna be

that no more my bad but so what we did Like when he got like we tried to get him a job What we did so I don't know if you ever heard of Eastern account systems I'm not gonna pick that up that's all but um so it's not making noise It's like uh they they like um

It's a third party payment center for Comcast so but like we like we try to get them situated like right away like so He ended up like maybe his first maybe it was in his first week or second week We got him a job which it sucked because he got the job right like we told like he's like you guys hired felons, like do you are discriminated? It was like, no,

as long as they didn't have like a, their crime didn't involve money. And so it's like, all right, cool, no, it doesn't involve money. And so anyway,

so he gets hired and he's working there for like a month. And then he got terminated because of his record. Like, there was like, because it was like a hiring agency like who we went through

to put him on there was like they did it. like they did a full background check now and that came up. So like, like it was a, it was cool. Like it was a high. him like this. He just came home, had this great experience. He's working. He's making money. And then it was like a low because like when he got fired and the reason why he got fired,

he felt like shit. Like he was like, damn, like am I ever going to be a job? And like, that was weird for me. I don't put it on four so you can't hear it. My bad. You're good. So that was weird. And it felt like, like, damn, how do I help him? I don't know what he's feeling. Right. I don't have that on my record. That's something I don't have to think about. can't relate to that feeling, right? Like, having a job and then have it taken away from you. Now you're thinking, am I ever going to find work? I mean, you hear him say, he's working now.

He at work, so good. I don't even know what he does, to be honest. So what advice would you give to people that are going through that, going through those feelings that you're just describing you experience? Because so many people do experience those feelings. Like, you can't do it all. Like, you can't do it all. You're a human.

You can only try to do what you can do and just, like, yeah, just don't, don't put all that weight on yourself either, right? Like, in my situation, he's my brother. And, like, so, like, when he came back, like, I could talk to him and tell him, like, damn, like, I tried to do this. Like, you see that. But it's, don't put, like, don't put it all on yourself. Like, it's not my fault.

Like, I tried, right? It does stink to see that, to feel that. You'll never want a loved one to feel shitty. but I try it. Well, Kay, thank you so much, man, for coming on the show today. I appreciate you. I appreciate you. It was great chatting here in a different perspective.

And, you know, shout out to Danbury. Always got to make sure the Danbury home team is taken care of. Yeah, sir, shout to Danbury. Shout to you. Shout to you. Stay locked in, you heard. And kick back with Kay. Kick back with your boy.